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AICN COMICS NEWS: DC Comics reboots its entire comics line and goes Day & Date Digital – Discuss!

Hey folks, Ambush Bug here. Normally, the @$$Holes of AICN COMICS focus on giving AICN readers the best of the best in comic book reviews and interviews (and occasionally a preview or three). Comic book news? Well, we leave that to guys with far more time and far more qualifications than us to cover all of that. We love to talk about comics and have been doing so ad nauseum for ten years now in reviews and interviews and don’t plan on diving into news any time soon.

But with yesterday’s bombshell announcement of DC Comics’ decision to reboot their entire comic book line in the fall, the comic book world is a-buzzin’ and my inbox was filling up with requests to cover it here on AICN. So that’s what I’m doin’!

After the summer’s major crossover, FLASHPOINT, is over, the entire line will begin anew with 52 #1 issues. Below are a list of facts and speculations gathered from across the interweb for you folks at AICN to sift through and discuss. I’ll try my damndest not to editorialize, but dammit if I can’t help chiming in here and there about all of this. Special thanks to the folks at BleedingCool, Newsarama, & CBR for gathering all of this stuff. They’re the best of the best at this comic book news thing and deserve the credit.


What we know:

Geoff Johns & Jim Lee will team up to bring us JUSTICE LEAGUE starring the big guns of the DCU; Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg, and a few other heavy hitters. Lee will be tweaking and redesigning the JLA’s costumes for the new millennium (similar to Lee’s highly popular Wonder Woman costume reimagining…god, I almost got through typing that without scoffing. This year’s new super hero fashion tip: pop your collar like Kanye from three years ago, heroes! Green Lantern seems to be extremely aroused by his new look!)

Johns & Ivan Reis will helm a new AQUAMAN series. Promising!

Johns will remain on GREEN LANTERN.James Robinson & Phillip Tan are on HAWKMAN’s new book.

Dan Didio & Keith Giffen will be tackling OMAC #1.

NIGHTWING will be among the new series.

One of the final signs of the apocalypse, BATGIRL will be getting a new series starring Barbara Gordon losing the wheel chair and walking around in costume. Booooooo!!!

A Gail Simone-less BIRDS OF PREY will be rebooted. Booooooo!!! No news on SECRET SIX yet.

The Legion of Super-Heroes will be a part of the reboot with LEGION LOST!

Kevin Macguire’s Tanga and Aaron Lopresti’s Garbage Man, both starring in the recently completed WEIRD WORLDS miniseries, will star in MY GREATEST ADVENTURE #1.

New JUSTICE SOCIETY OF AMERICA series. Good news. The series definitely needed a kick in the pants.

Despite the fact that they are two of the longest running titles in comic book history, ACTION COMICS & DETECTIVE COMICS will begin anew with #1 issues. Booooooooooooo!!!!

Deadman will be the lead in ADVENTURE COMICS #1, another one of the reboots.

This is just the tip of the iceberg of these new #1’s. Some characters will be changed. Some will remain the same. Dogs and cats will be living together. I saw a polar bear do the moonwalk through the DC offices a minute ago. Alan Moore shaved his beard. It’s Thunderdome up in that beeotch, mutha scrubbazz!

Here’s what’s rumored:

DC’s Wildstorm titles will most likely make a comeback and be included with the new #1’s. Most likely THE AUTHORITY, WILDCATS, GEN 13, & THE GRIFTER.

Superman will be youth-i-fied (he certainly looks so in that Jim Lee image) and he’s also rumored to have a relationship with Wonder Woman and not Lois Lane in this new, hip, kooky, fresh DCU.

A multi-colored ring team leaping from the GREEN LANTERN books is rumored to be among the new titles consisting of Red, Blue, Green, Yellow, Orange, Violet, Indigo, and Black Lanterns.

Fabian Nicieza may or may not take on a TEEN TITANS new monthly.

John Rozum will be working on a non supernatural title in the reboot, which looks to mean the new and awesome XOMBI series is cancelled, to which I say…

 

&%$# YOU, DC!!!

A-hem…sorry, had to be said. XOMBI is awesome.

Finally, news that is much, much, much more important which has been somewhat eclipsed by all of these new number ones and reboots and new costumes and the like was released as well from DC. As of September, DC Comics will be released digitally at the same time as the books hit the stands. This is a pretty huge deal; possibly a huge marketing boost for DC digital and a devastating blow for retailers.

So there you have it. Stop emailing me and discuss the poop out of this crap in the Talkbacks.

 
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  • June 2, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST

    lol

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    a few days old news.............but still fun

  • June 2, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST

    I hate this. Whipping away 40 plus years of history and story

    by eric haislar

    just to sell more comic books.

  • June 2, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST

    ............however

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    I am pumped for the reboots. Most exciting thing to happen with DC for a while.........I just hope they are good.

  • June 2, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST

    And DC was doing so well...

    by Doctor_Strangepork

    Johns was crushing it on Green Lantern and Flash. Gail Simone on Secret Six. Morrison's Batman. I agree that DC needs to modernize a bit, but this is ridiculous and more than a little pandering to this imagined movie-fueled comics fanbase.

  • All the old school makers were gone, and with the onslaught of endless 'variant' and poly (tea) bagging bullshit, it was readily apparent to anyone who was paying attention that the publishers no longer gave a shit about the long time readers.

  • June 2, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST

    DC: It ain't broke.

    by Doctor_Strangepork

  • June 2, 2011, 9:53 a.m. CST

    PS: Didn't JMS try this and ended up getting fired?

    by LargoJr

    WTF Chuck? Did they just decide "screw it.. we reboot fucking EVERYTHING.. fire that guy and we take all the credit.. and blame him when it tanks and we have to say "Oh.. it's only temporary.. everything will be back to normal in 12 months.. WE PROMISE!"

  • June 2, 2011, 9:56 a.m. CST

    PPS: If Wonder Woman ever looks down

    by LargoJr

    That necklace is going to stab her in the fucking throat.. dumbasses

  • June 2, 2011, 9:58 a.m. CST

    They got rid of supermans underware.

    by eric haislar

    Lame. The costume is classic and should not be touched.

  • June 2, 2011, 9:59 a.m. CST

    It won't stick.

    by rev_skarekroe

    It's comics. We all know how it works by now. I DO suspect they're rejiggering Superman because half the character's traits will belong to the Siegel/Shuster estate in a year or two, so they need to make a 100% Warner Bros. owned version of the character.

  • June 2, 2011, 9:59 a.m. CST

    underwear

    by eric haislar

    my bad.

  • June 2, 2011, 10 a.m. CST

    What do you mean, wiping away?

    by Rex Carsalot

    Tell me I didn't go through Crisis, Final Crisis, Crisis on Infinite Crises, to just see it wiped away?

  • June 2, 2011, 10:01 a.m. CST

    the deeper question is: does history help us, or hurt us?

    by Citizin_insane

  • June 2, 2011, 10:02 a.m. CST

    rev_skarekroe

    by eric haislar

    If thats the case they should just stop publishing superman. Because it won't be the Superman we all know.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Eh...

    by SpiderHarshaw

    The only current DC books I'm reading are Xombi monthly and Secret Six in trades. If those are gone, that's a real shame. At the same time, it really looks like DC's trying to move forward with the emphasis on diversity and the day and date digital delivery. More power to them, and I wish them all success. But I doubt I'll jump on any of the new titles.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Maybe Wonder Woman will be changed to 'Trachiotomy Girl!"

    by LargoJr

    You have to actually yell her name, or it loses it's effect.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:02 a.m. CST

    rex carsalot

    by eric haislar

    Yep they are rebooting the entire universe.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:04 a.m. CST

    So kids are scared to jump on a long run title?

    by Ditko

    Well, I started with Spider-man at around 250 and it amazed me (amazed, see what I did there?) to know the character had a history, I wanted to read all those old books! A kid today will pick up Action Comics 901 if the story is good! Or maybe he won´t because KIDS DON´T READ COMICS ANYMORE! It´s all us old farts buying them, so what gives? Meh, fuck this.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Superman will maintain his power by eating cheese...

    by LargoJr

    but will it be California or Wisconsin? Hmmmm, maybe a nice Goulda.....

  • June 2, 2011, 10:06 a.m. CST

    like, if we rebooted humanity, could we move forward,

    by Citizin_insane

    or would we just make the same stupid mistakes?

  • June 2, 2011, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Crapified!

    by chrisd

    I have also read that this is being done to get out of paying the families of Siegel and Shuster their half of the money. It really looks like crap.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Restarting the DC/Action numbering

    by bigpale

    is blasphemy.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:11 a.m. CST

    citizin_insane

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    It's worth a try, can't get much worse.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Jim Lee is not the end-all of comic artists

    by deelzbub

    While he is great, and even influential to many, I cannot see why DC would let one artist define their entire roster. At least they are not going the current Marvel route and allow some unnamed and unknown artists with MS Paint to define their properties with generic depictions of their characters, which are then plastered all over their merchandising.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    No Super underwear?

    by David Cloverfield

    I totally understand them getting rid of it. It looks stupid, it's impractical, but part of me still screams NOOOOO! I hate that stupid angry fanboy kid in my head.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:14 a.m. CST

    @chrisd

    by Ditko

    hey man, got a link for that?

  • June 2, 2011, 10:17 a.m. CST

    @ditko He read it on Yahoo's OMG rumor pages

    by LargoJr

    It was the same article that swore Lindsy Lohan was going to have Mitt Romney's baby

  • June 2, 2011, 10:17 a.m. CST

    david cloverfield

    by eric haislar

    Agreed, but it does not look like superman without it.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Batman

    by Nuck81

    So the whole Dick Grayson/Bruce Wayne/Damien Wayne arc is being knixed? Eh they are just switching to a new Earth, If this fails they'll have a new NEW CRISIS ON INFINITY EARTH: THIS TIME ITS REAL, and start over again

  • June 2, 2011, 10:28 a.m. CST

    That's it - I'm out

    by Rex Carsalot

    Big fan since 1986, went through every crossover, went through the '90s, went through every little thing and stayed true - I've combed white boxes, dug online, stole, borrowed - I am a HUGE comic book fan. I even write and draw my own because I love it so much. But....Fuck. This. Yes, I know the stories never really happened. I know if I have the issues, they still happened. I know, I get it, I get why they are doing it, but still - this is a move made so they can make more movies. This is not true to the characters. History is one of the reasons we invest so much time into this hobby, both ours and the characters' - do I want to see the same stories told over again one more time because Batman got too grim or Supes and WW need to be together (which was explored in #600 and it was freaking terrible)? Grant Morrison took every little stupid aspect of Batman's history and wove it into a story that made sense. It is not the character, it's the writer. Continuity and history are there if you want them, but if the writer is good it won't matter. Ugh. Fine, I'll just go get into hardcore drugs, then.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:30 a.m. CST

    I blame this on the WW tv show

    by Rex Carsalot

    The fan reaction was so terrible based on the photos they had the obvious stupid reaction and went "Oh, it must be that the costume is bad! In fact, let's re-do ALL of them!!"

  • June 2, 2011, 10:30 a.m. CST

    erichaislar

    by David Cloverfield

    I know, but we have to get used to it. I don't want him to still wear it in 2100.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Why is Superman's underwear considered gay

    by eric haislar

    But batman's is not?

  • June 2, 2011, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Didio + Giffen = Fail.

    by cookylamoo

    Seriously, does Giffen give the best blow job in the industry, because he certainly doesn't sell any comics. They give this guy title after title where nothing happens issue after issue but Giffen jerking around and trying to be funny, and they all bomb but like Marion Berry Giffen still has a job.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST

    And why keep trying to make Wildstorm work?

    by cookylamoo

    Face it DC. It's a lox. Nobody cares. Waste of time.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:40 a.m. CST

    did anyone notice i was first?

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    kinda important

  • June 2, 2011, 10:41 a.m. CST

    DC - start from scratch?

    by matchesmalone2380

    So this will be a total reboot??? That sucks! So this means they'll explain superman's origin for the billionth time??? Sure it's a good way to get new readers, but they couldn't DC have gone the Ultimate route and kept the original lines?? I agree that given a year, DC will regret the decision and go back to the original #'s!

  • June 2, 2011, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Will The Grifter be doing any grifting in his book?

    by Doctor_Strangepork

  • June 2, 2011, 10:43 a.m. CST

    If you really want to revamp DC.

    by cookylamoo

    Hire some new writers already. Fabian Nicieza is a hack. Giffen can't write a serous story. Didio's an editor and Palmotti's books just don't sell.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:43 a.m. CST

    c'mon it's happened before

    by MongoMike

    Just like to point out that in the very early '60s, DC "rebooted" the Flash, Atom, Hawkman and others from the '40s to make them more relevant to the then-modern age. I think it's good for the good ship DC Comics to scrape away the old paint and repaint the ship.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Marvel already did this

    by the flashlight

    And we know how that ended up - everything went back to the original numbering. Comic book continuity is so convoluted & confused that it's pointless to try and make sense of any of it. The days of self-contained titles with a cast of characters that stayed relatively consistent for any length of time are long gone. I don't see any way for a kid to jump into a title like, oh say, Justice League, and know what the hell is going on and who all these 4th-string benchwarmers are (so & so is the cousin twice removed from alternate dimention Earth 451 etc. etc. etc.) And I'm not even mentioning the X-Men books - is there anybody that is capable of keeping up with that perpetual mess? But as someone already pointed out above, kids don't read comics anymore. Is there anybody in the industry still pretending that they do? I haven't seen a kid in my local comic shop in over 15 years. All those industry hopes that the movies would inspire a new generation of young comic buyers went swirling down the toilet.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:50 a.m. CST

    About the reboot

    by TheGr81SLASH

    Just read this somewhere else and it might make a lot more sense. The reboot might have a lot more to do with the heirs of Siegel and Shuster (creators of Superman) gaining back certain elements of Superman in 2013. A lot of the stuff dates back to Action Comics #1 from 1938 and would include Lois Lane, the Kryptionian origin, even down to the leaping tall buildings in a single bound and Clark Kent identity.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:54 a.m. CST

    They're missing an opportunity here

    by David Cloverfield

    Why not say "there's one year left in the DCU" and in that year they can kill off villains and heroes as much as they want. We can have an "ending" for the story of every hero. Batman's final confrontation with the Joker. Supes final battle with Lex (which maybe ends in Luthor's redemption.) There are a whole bunch of cool stuff they could do with "DCU: The end" before they restart all the stories. But no, they'll pull some crazy multiverse "Merging Universes" crossover with a hundred billion tie ins.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Smacks Of Total Desperation

    by DeckardB26354

    Besides for a possible sales spike for some of these #1 issues, this isn't going to work the way they want it to, and will most likely hurt sales for them as long-time readers give up. I do like the emphasis on going digital though, the future of printed media is pretty much nil so comics going digital has to happen.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST

    bah

    by ByTor

    It's crap storytelling to reboot. It's one thing when you're doing a new movie and you need to reach casual moviegoers -- I get that. But in comics? You're not going to attract casual readers. It's an insular industry. So the only reasons to reboot are to clear away the dead wood of history and as a gimmick to boost sales. When they did the original Crisis in the mid-80's, they had nearly 50 years of history that had built up. They wanted to clean up nonsense like Bat-Mite and all that. Fine, OK, I accepted that. Plus, it was a big deal: they killed Flash! And Supergirl, but Flash was the big deal. But then they kept doing it, Crisis after Crisis. It trivialized the whole thing. And Flash came back, and Supergirl came back, and the fucking JSA came back, and it became abundantly clear that they could just do these big bang things whenever they wanted, because they'd just undo it later anyway. Now, in an effort to jack up sales again, they re-do it all...and even renumber legends like Detective and Action. GAH! Oh, and as an extra bonus, they say, "FUCK YOU!" to the comic shops that made them so much money over the decades by changing to day-and-date digital release. Thanks, assholes.

  • June 2, 2011, 10:59 a.m. CST

    DC experimenting with a new Superman?

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    I'm wondering if this will be DC's attempt to see how a Superman minus some key elements flies with the fan-base?

  • June 2, 2011, 11 a.m. CST

    This rarely works and never lasts...

    by Long Tooth

    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results."

  • ... but maybe they will wipe it away?

  • June 2, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST

    This is Getting Old

    by A-COD

    What is the under over on The Batwoman, Hawkman, and Auquaman series? I say 16 issues, 7 for Batgirl.

  • June 2, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Here comes the DC marketing

    by eric haislar

    Now we start the Post Modern Age of Comic Books!

  • June 2, 2011, 11:05 a.m. CST

    I still miss Valiant

    by SmokingRobot

    Too bad they screwed the pooch.

  • June 2, 2011, 11:07 a.m. CST

    The Golden Age reboot was different

    by ByTor

    Most of the Golden Age books were dead and gone; comics really dropped off in the 50's. The reboot was a way to re-launch the titles; that's all. Here you have titles that are still ongoing. Also, the 60's reboot didn't involve a million tie-ins. I HATE fucking tie-ins. The comic shop I frequented back in the 80's had custom-built racks designed to hold 6 rows of comics. Why? Because the owner kept six months worth of each book out on the rack at cover price. Why? So if someone wanted to try a new comic, they could easily grab six issues and get into the story. Can't fucking do that now, because the stories all jump from book to book. How, exactly, is someone supposed to get into a new book now? Or if there's a particular storyline...when someone would ask what to get if they wanted to read Batman: Year One, I could tell them. Four issues of Batman, consecutive. Done. No other books to buy. But try and read, say, Blackest Night. I need fucking Wikipedia to tell me what books I need, and I can't tell if I need all the crossovers -- are some just brief mentions, or do they all affect the plot in a significant way? It's a dumbass way to do things.

  • June 2, 2011, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Superman Lawsuit

    by billydeewilliams

    Do any of you actually read this site? I'm sure the lawsuit regarding Superman had a lot to do with this. I think they lost the rights to the S, his origin, the Superman/Lois relationship...other stuff. To avoid similar problems in the future, and probably avoid violating the lawsuit, they had to change Superman. If you are doing that, why not reboot everything? Blame lawyers. Many of you were probably too busy complaining about Ryan Reynolds, Zack Snyder, or Chris Nolan to notice the stories regarding the lawsuit.

  • June 2, 2011, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Jim Lee can suck my asshole!

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    Wonder Woman's new costume sucks, this reboot sucks, and I'm finished with DC. 40 years of collecting and I'm done with this reboot. None of this interests me. Marvel has been putting out far superior books as of late, and without scrapping their continuity.

  • June 2, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST

    That's a great idea, david cloverfield

    by rev_skarekroe

    Too late now, alas.

  • June 2, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Jim Lee can suck my asshole!

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    Wonder Woman's new costume sucks, this reboot sucks, and I'm finished with DC. 40 years of collecting and I'm done with this reboot. None of this interests me. Marvel has been putting out far superior books as of late, and without scrapping their continuity.

  • June 2, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST

    What they need is some NEW characters.

    by cookylamoo

    And give worn out characters like Deadman, Hawkman, Omac, Cyborg and others a nice long rest. I would keep the big five and have everyone else be new.

  • June 2, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Cyborg: Looks like Liefield helped Jim Lee redesign that one.

    by hank henshaw

  • June 2, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Yet another step on Comics' march towards extinction

    by Movietool

    Not the characters, mind you. There will always be a market for entertainment content concerning Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, etc. However. . . Comics. The heroic stories of sequential art that kids read on the bus while on the way to school. Those are going away. In fact they've been pretty much gone since the 90's as Marvel and DC went "all in" on the direct market, abandoned any attempt to get new readership (e.g. kids) and slowly turned their business model from "stories about heroes for kids" to "stories about super-powered characters for adults." Meh. Comics had a good run. I lament that I can't give my daughter a comic to read, as the subject matter nowadays is completely inappropriate, but I still have back-issues I can show her - from the days when comics sold hundreds of thousands of copies per issue instead of tens of thousands, and the stories were about superheroes instead of deeply flawed assholes with powers.

  • June 2, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Bendis to comic book stores: Prepared to get fucked in the ass.

    by shutupfanboy

    Direct Quote. He ain't wrong. I am more concerned about the digital day of then the reboot since whenever DC or Marvel pull this shit, the fan backlash is so huge, they go back to the original in less then a year. I can wait a year, what I refuse to do is buy digital comics. Reading digital is the most boring thing every. There is no feel or texture and the art doesn't jump out at you. Also, Apple, the Nazis of content are going to be the ones doing this, good luck with that. DC basically has told the comic book world from fans to collectors to the local comic book owner to fuck off we want this new internet crowd that will drop us the moment some jackass online columnist points out some flaws and they will join the troll internet bandwagon. To me, the best analogy for this is comes from a Poli Sci seminar, I attended at Notre Dame. It was 2008 before the election and they talked about the Catholic vote and how it was a mythical as a leprechaun. The Catholic vote come to rise when Kennedy was elected as President. Since then every pollster in the world has tried to capture the Catholic vote. The irony is there is no Catholic vote. Catholics voted for Kennedy, because he was Catholic. DC is going after some mythical creature called New Fans. They must exist, because Earth One sold a shit ton of books. Yet, the reason Earth One sold a lot of books is because they had a writer with a following in JMS, a decent artist, a bunch of controversy over the Twilight way Clark appeared and a PR push for the book. This was an amazing amount of circumstances for it. It can not happen again. They are looking for something that does not exist. People read those books to see if there is a new origin, but they don't want the original way to disappear. Elseworld books will always sell and be reviewed better, because its new. Once the newness wears off, fans disappear or just go back to reading the books with the original origin and chacters. DC should know this, but they have not learned anything after the mid-90s complex.

  • June 2, 2011, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Same old story.....

    by John Fenico

    Sounds like this “Flashpoint” event is going to be similar to the Crisis on Infinite Earths all over again. They just can’t leave well enough alone. These tactics only disheartens faithful readers and does not attract new readers.

  • June 2, 2011, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Day and date digital is well past due.

    by Chewtoy

    Seriously, I had to drive all over the fucking place to find the issues of a miniseries I wanted, and then ultimately had to go and order the last issue online and wait a week for it to arrive. That is one shitty business model. I know all of the arguments about stores, but as a customer it pisses me off that a company is selling a product I want, it's in a format that is easily downloadable, and instead of letting me buy it and read it *despite every major company having an app designed to let me do just that* I have to go hunt it down so that we can all pretend that the print industry isn't going the way of the dodo.

  • June 2, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST

    So Superman has long johns now?

    by matineer

    The underwear worked because it -- and the yellow belt-- accented and broke up the blue coverall. It's a design thing. Never thought of it as jockey shorts. How does putting him in long johns help? Must be the pretzels... I mean lawsuit.

  • June 2, 2011, 11:46 a.m. CST

    I hate the idea of a reboot

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    It seems to invalidate everything before, I love the long continuity now and I loved it way back when I started reading. Its like meeting an old person who has lived an interesting life. I always want to learn as much as I can about them through their crazy stories. With Comics I've always wanted to jump into as many back issues as possible and until then readDK uverview books or Wiki sites.

  • June 2, 2011, 11:49 a.m. CST

    why would they do this when..

    by kev8791

    they have just finished some huge universe impacting story arcs in dc..and didnt they just start taking a big new approach to the bat books... and the supes costume sucks, whats up with all the v-necks on 30 dif characters ? Lee's art work may be pretty sick, but his original designs have always been pretty damn BLAH. i dont get for a sec why they would let him redesign all of em..

  • June 2, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST

    DC Digital question

    by Judge Briggs

    Guys, Is the DC digital function similar to Marvel's digital feature? I like how someone like myself can pay a yearly fee and read comics via online ...

  • June 2, 2011, 11:56 a.m. CST

    DC SUCKS

    by PatientZer0

    And they have always sucked. Green Lantern, The Flash and Batman are the only characters they've ever had that were worth a crap. Most of their characters are laughably bad. The only reason this is news is because of the danger to Comic shops...my hope is that comic collectors will still opt for the print version of the comics.

  • Than again DC fanboys are used to getting fucked in the ass so there is that...

  • June 2, 2011, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Cyborg will be fist to die.

    by the Green Gargantua

    because he is half machine, not because he is black.

  • June 2, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST

    They should've gone all in, and remove the capes too.

    by hank henshaw

    When you think about it capes wouldn't work in the "real world" and would only get in the way during fights. If Superman's red trunks are stupid (yet Batman and Wolverine always get a pass for wearing them), then the capes are stupid too.

  • June 2, 2011, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Just kidding, it will be because he is black.

    by the Green Gargantua

  • June 2, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST

    The more things change...

    by steverogers5

    ...The more they stay the same, eh? Damn. I was really liking Bruce having the Yellow octave back. Made him feel more like a superhero again. But looks like that didn't last long..LOL! (Yeah, that's probably the thing I'm most upset about here, because it seems like DC's always rebooting their universes. Never works..)

  • June 2, 2011, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Several reasons why this will not work in the long run...

    by qweruiop

    ...1) Starting EVERYTHING over at #1's a hugely polarizing way to get things going. DC is ultimately saying a big FU to the older comic book fans as they simultaneously try to obtain new comic book readers. Someone else brought in the idea that there should have at least been a countdown of sorts, or maybe an alternate line for DC to do this, all much better ideas than this. By DC restarting things over, they're basically asking for older fans (who stuck through all of the endless gimmicks and events and price increases) to accept DC's new stance on their popular characters bar none. 2) As anybody with any modicum of business knows, it is MUCH easier and inexpensive to keep current clients and grow business from them, rather than take on all the costs and risks in obtaining new ones. Hey don't get me wrong, it's always good for any business to grow new clients. But in this polarizing manner, not a good idea. 3) Since DC is assuming that these older fans will come along for the ride, if they don't (which is a huge possibility, as many older fans have quietly been looking for a valid excuse to quit buying comics) then DC has their work cut out for them, as they now have to GAIN 2 new customers for each old client that leaves them. They're counting on these 2 new customers per dropout to also stay with them in the long run. What business model ever works in that manner? 4) Going with a digital medium is the way to go in most entertainment sectors, but it's still a bitch of a way to do it within comics. Going digital means having to read comics through Iphones and other smartphone devices. Those gadgets simply weren't meant to present comics in a favorable fashion, as one would have to essentially read things panel-by-panel (on a small 3X5 inch screen) rather than page-by-page in print. Doing things on a tablet is much better, but until tablets become as common as cell phones the digital comic book medium (at least through most gadgets) will continue to be more of a nuisance rather than a solution. 5) The key here though for DC should be MASS DISTRIBUTION. Why is it that comics still aren't prevalent in Wal-Mart's, Targets, K-Marts, Sears, and other popular retail stores? Why are they are still floundering in the general-public-doesn't-shop-there outlet known as comic book stores? If I were DC and Marvel I would immediately FIRE every single one of my hired distributor staff, as they are still stupidly looking to gain the most shelf space in these near-extinct comic book stores rather than chasing the big dogs like Wal-Mart and company. Do Entertainment Weekly, People, Vanity Fair, etc., keep their magazines in impossibly to reach outlets? No, they find success by going where most people shop. Then when the mass public buys their magazines, these magazines can hence charge top dollar for inner advertisements. The same thing could happen to DC, but of course it's not happening. It seems like such an easy solution here.

  • June 2, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    BTW, the DID get rid of Batman's panties for awhile

    by rev_skarekroe

    When they brought back Bruce Wayne in the '90s after all that Knightquest stuff, they took the opportunity to slightly redesign the costume - all dark grey instead of grey and blue, yellow oval, no underpants on the outside. That outfit sort of gradually faded away, which is a shame because I liked it.

  • June 2, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Comics Strive On This

    by Jay

    Not sure why everyone's having a hoopla over this. Is it because they're starting from #1 again? Is this like a movie remake where the new one somehow retroactively ruins the original for your ignorant mind? Comic book characters strive and survive on different takes and "what ifs" throughout their runs. This whole "reboot" (It's not a fucking computer) is no different. With all the retcons and re-births throughout the characters histories, how anyone can find this offensive is beyond me. Oh, and anyone who complains about Hollywood remakes (Which have been around since the dawn of the medium) can shut the fuck up now. As you can see, DC comics as an art form just did the ultimate remake.

  • June 2, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Comic Books

    by D Jones

    I rather tire of reboots and events, here is a thought make good ,quality comic books that come out on time and nobody needs to do these stupid tricks to pad sales. Also I love when hipsters and people barely over 30 talk about comic books it is funny as most not all most have no idea of what came before nor a concept of the history learned after reading thousands of pages. Riding down to the local drug store to go through the racks and buy the best you could find, then discovering that other people read these as much as yourself and writing to the editors and developing a real rapport with these people. Those days are gone and its sad that no one cares.

  • June 2, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST

    People are idiots if they think this is permanent.

    by bat725

    Remember Heroes Reborn? People were all up in arms because Marvel rebooted all the Avengers titles with new #1's, as a result of the Onslaught storyline. It lasted a year, folks. Then Marvel brought them back, and they were more popular than ever. The only difference here is that DC's doing it with ALL of their titles. I won't be buying DC books for a whole year. Wow. I'm gonna miss Batman, Inc. That book flippin' rocks. It's just rude how they cut me off like that, and I'm not happy about it. It's not good business.

  • I mean WTF, why even bother buying a comic series if DC and Marvel are gonna hit the reset button every 10 years? And claiming they're doing this for the younger fans is a cop-out because anyone under 18 doesn't read!

  • If I could trade every graphic novel and every comic I have in a longbox for a digital version stored on my tablet, I would in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I'm sure I'd have to buy digital versions of all of them over again instead. My biggest complaint about digital comics, especially from Marvel, is that the selection is crap. I don't even really care that they get released day and date... I just want them all released. Make them a month late, and I'd be fine with it... just offer everything you published in paper for that month available through digital as well. (Honestly, it should really be the other way around... obscure stuff should be digital only, since there's minimal print cost to be concerned about, and the popular stuff should be on the shelves.) Instead, they pick and choose what to offer me and if I want something more obscure I still have to go hunting for it and wait. Pisses me off to no end. The other annoyance is the cost... Marvel digital comics aren't cheap enough, especially since they've been blaming the price increases they've attached to books on the rising printing, paper and distribution costs. You know that they're overpricing them to protect their graphic novel collections, which would be hugely overpriced compared to simply having all of the digital files for a run stored on your device (which essentially makes them a collected edition automatically.)

  • June 2, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST

    DC Comics is like a motorcycle gang.....

    by cookylamoo

    That spends all it's time tinkering with their engines and never takes their bikes out to ride.

  • June 2, 2011, 12:37 p.m. CST

    bantuwind

    by art123guy

    I think it's the fact that they're starting everything at the same time. When Marvel renumbered after the Onslaught storyline, it was only a few titles. People freaked then so it seems obvious they'd freak now.

  • June 2, 2011, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Come on guys. The top selling comic

    by hallmitchell

    only moves just over 130,000 copies these days. That is a big drop and it's dropping. At that comic is The Green Lantern.

  • June 2, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Digital comics should be free.

    by hallmitchell

    And get your act together Marvel. You guys have always been followers. You should of taken the lead on this one.

  • June 2, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST

    About time!

    by hallmitchell

    Should of been done ten years ago. Comics what a cutting edge business model. They go digital in 2011!

  • June 2, 2011, 12:40 p.m. CST

    I'm sick of EVENT comics to.

    by hallmitchell

  • June 2, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Ummmm.....

    by clever

    Haven't we already done this before.. with Crisis ? ... and then some more with Zero Hour ? .... and then a bit more with Infinite Crisis ? I can't see the reasoning behind another reboot, especially so soon after the other ones. If anyone needs a complete and total reboot it's Marvel... what a fucking mess.

  • June 2, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Movie Tool

    by hallmitchell

    That is a good post!

  • June 2, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Comic are too expensive

    by hallmitchell

    And guys let's not have the digital version $1 cheaper than the printed one. You can go harder than that.

  • Like the 'Age of Apocalypse' X-books or 'Heroes Reborn' from Marvel in the 90s. Temporary rewriting of reality as a result of Flashpoint, and after interest wanes in the new line up (should take 4 months), things will be reverted to something more like the DCU we all know, keeping what tested well during this 'new phase' and discarding what didn't in favor of the traditional DC interpretation of a character. So it's a temporary revamp. That's it.

  • June 2, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Comics ARE free

    by art123guy

    People post them on the web in forums all over the place. The comic industry will find out what the music industry has, it'll get posted on the web no matter what and be downloaded for free. Is it stealing? That depends. Everything I've downloaded I've collected in print over the last 32 years. I haven't actually read any on the computer, it's more of a back-up.

  • June 2, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Its stealing when you illegally download it.

    by shutupfanboy

    Don't try to push this half-ass excuse well I already bought, why do I have to buy again. I had a ton of VHS movies, I know own on DVD. Also, the music industry is kicking your ass if you decided to get out of her parent's basement and see a live concert. That is where they are making their money as well as the rights to use them in ads, TV and movies.

  • June 2, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    I haven't paid for a comic in years.

    by Rex Carsalot

    Yes, I am an evil torrenter. And now I don't feel even remotely bad.

  • June 2, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Call it stealing all you want. I don't care.

    by Rex Carsalot

    If anything, now it's going to be even easier to torrent these things - not that I plan on touching a single title DC puts out ever again. In fact, I just went and deleted the 547 comics that I was working through from this last weekend. Kept the Marvel, tho - and their stuff is often crap.

  • June 2, 2011, 1:05 p.m. CST

    To those saying get over it, it's not going to last

    by Rex Carsalot

    Then how do you feel about a company that makes such a deliberately anti-fan move? Whether they intend to take it all back a year from now or not (and about Heroes Reborn - if it has succeeded they would have never gone back), they certainly WANT you to think it's all changing for good - and I don't really want to be treated that way as a fan, either.

  • June 2, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST

    With the advent of digital

    by hallmitchell

    Can we see some new stories/characters from the Big two? Imagine if they were still making Bonanza for T.V.?

  • June 2, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST

    art123guy, to answer your question...

    by ED2D2

    Yes. It's stealing. If you really wanted to "back up" your stuff, you would scan your collection yourself. If you're still unsure, then ask yourself if you'd be willing to go up to each artist and writer of the books that you've "backed up" and tell them that you downloaded a copy of their work on the internet. And that it's okay because you bought their original works years ago and you only wanted a digital copy too. If you're not comfortable with that, THEN IT'S STEALING! At least own up to it, dude...

  • June 2, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    I would walk up to an artist

    by Rex Carsalot

    And say: I would gladly pay YOU top dollar for this picture - but the company that charges four bucks an issue for maybe 18 pages can go fuck themselves.

  • June 2, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Tell it to your sky god, toots

    by Rex Carsalot

    Thieves multiply in a recession.

  • June 2, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST

    The Rapture is happening...but for the DCU, not the real world!

    by Thanos0145

    It sucks that DC is undoing one of the greatest Batman stories ever told The Killing Joke and giving Barbara Gordon the use of her legs back. Superman and Wonder Woman don't need "New Coke" costumes and becoming an item to sell comics long term. They need better writers who can create new villains and put them in new and interesting (not recycled) situations.

  • June 2, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Some of the titles look interesting ...

    by dogrobber

    ... but, as others have typed, why couldn't DC just launch a separate Ultimate-type line for the redesigns, just to test the waters? Re: the redesigns, Mr. Lee's Superman design looks, in the small picture, similar to a version that appeared in Wizard magazine years ago (just googled it - the art was by Ken Lashley) - not that there is a lot that can be changed on Supe's costume and still have it remain recognizable. But couldn't he come up with a better or just different Aquaman?

  • IF this is the face of downloaders, string them all up. You torrent people are going to find out one day the price for doing this shit and its probably sooner then you think.

  • June 2, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST

    First off...

    by art123guy

    ...I own a house and have supported bands in the 80's when a) they were starting out and b) when music was good. Second, I'm a Graphic Artist so I know a thing or two about scanning stuff. No way am I taking my entire collection, which consists of every issue of X-Men, Avengers, Hulk, Captain America, Fantastic Four #52 up, Spider-Man #98 up etc. and scanning it when someone else already did it. And yes, I'd tell and artist, writer etc. that I own X-Men #1 and downloaded it as a back-up. I'd also tell them that they didn't get a dime of the $200 I paid for it back in 1988, the comic shop owner did. I'd ask them how they felt about that.

  • The more 'sensible' costumes get, the more boring and uninspiring they are. The more everything gets 'grounded' in some kind of science or explainable phenomena, the more boring and uninspiring it gets. The 'grittier' and 'bleaker' stories get, the more boring and uninspiring they become. Most of what I see in comics today is dark, ponderous, unimaginative, drawn in a sort of bland, actionless storyboard style, emasculated, and most importantly, drained of real color, life, enthusiasm, and vigor. Maybe I gave up collecting too soon, or am missing some real joys which carry on the crazy, imaginative, unapologetically fantasy-based styles I became so attached to in the 70s and 80s. But when I see things like this move by DC, I just sort of shrug and think, "oh, this again?"

  • June 2, 2011, 1:39 p.m. CST

    So they're leaving the rest of the Batman books alone?

    by Jaka

    And what about Vertigo? The rest of this means nothing to me. But those two points are very important to my mental well-being.

  • You are not screwing over big business, you are screwing over the local comic book guy. You are fucking over Main Street in order to screw the CEO who doesn't notice. Also, you choose to pay $200 for that book, no one put a gun to your head. Also, most 80s music was shit. People have got to stop living in the past. I also own a home and I still pay for my comics, ass wipe.

  • June 2, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    qweruiop....

    by the flashlight

    ...1) I doubt that this will be the one thing that drives the older fans who have weathered all the ups & downs of the industry out of the hobby. I do agree that if they will be rebooting the continuity as well as the numbering, then it's a slap in the face to long-term fans who have invested themselves in the current storylines. I really have to wonder about the real goal of this change - do they really think this will draw in those elusive and probably mythical new readers? Is it just another crass attempt to squeeze a few more drops of blood from the existing fanbase turnip, like all the tedious super-massive crossover "events"? 2) What more can the existing fan base do to support the industry? I'm not sure what new business could be grown from current customers at this point. As a long-term reader/collector, I buy what I think I'll enjoy reading. If it's nothing but pretty art with a shitty story, I drop it. I also have zero interest in digital comics. A comic book is a physical thing that I hold in my hands, I flip through the pages, I can smell the paper and newsprint. That's a comic book, emphasis on "book." Whatever they end up selling on the internet, it won't be a comic book, and it can never have the same kind of appeal. 3) Comics *used* to have an avenue for mass distribution outside of specialty comic shops - they're called grocery stores. That's where I remember going to look at and read comics as a kid. To be quite honest, I don't think the industry could survive if they threw local comic shops under the bus and went with super-retailers like Wal-Mart for their primary avenue for distribution. Not only would it cause comic shops all over the country to go out of business, alienating whatever is left of the fanbase, but it would also kill off the smaller, independent comics that rely on the local comic shop for their exposure. Would you really want to trade the experience of going to your local comic shop and having that communal experience of visiting and talking about the week's new books with the shop owner and fellow collectors for the experience of walking into a Wal-Mart to get your comics? I know I wouldn't. The local comic shop is an integral part of the hobby.

  • June 2, 2011, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Jim Lee was cool... in 1992

    by donkingkong

    Stupid retarded dumb lame... Absolutely nothing about this shit appeals to me which means it will probably meet with some success.

  • June 2, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Fuck you, DC Comics...

    by HalJordan2814

    I've collected your books since I was 5 (I'm 45) and enough is enough. Can't recall how many reboots, reimaginings, ret-cons and do-overs you assholes have done over the years, but I will not spend one more dime on your bullshit after the new line hits the stands. I'm sure there will be a nice little $1.00 price increase on every title as well, to cover the cost of posting the online books as well. So much for "Holding The Line At $2.99." You fucking pricks. Fuck you and the horses you all rode in on.

  • June 2, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Eat shit DC!

    by Banshee7

    Thanks DC. My friends who own the greatest comic shop ever, Brave New World, are now going to have to work even harder to maintain their business. And Apple can go suck a dick.

  • June 2, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Kevred is right.

    by cookylamoo

    After 25 years of Deconstruction there's not a whole lot left to believe in except that "realistic" Superhero-Super-villain conflicts would be short, nasty, and fatal to one if not both parties.

  • June 2, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    DC continue to fail because their comics are boring as fuck ...

    by GINGE_MUPPET

    Marvel aren't exactly setting the world on fire but at least they entertain and make the most out of what they have. DC have these incredible characters but they are totally bogged down in years of fucked up continuity that makes them almost unreadable. As for digital comics ... Fuck that shit. I will be buying, holding and actually reading paper books until the day they totally vanish.

  • June 2, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Shutupfanboy

    by D Jones

    Your arguments would be taken more seriously if you where more concise ,coherent and not cursing. Most people dismiss anyone compelled to curse to make a point. Your anger over someone downloading seems misguided unless you are an artist having money taken from his pocket. Hopefully you are not naive enough to believe anybody working for any media company gets what they deserve for their creation. I don't condone the practice of dl but I understand it. The only way an artist gets their money is in the case of a band at concerts or making their own cds or a comic artist by doing commissions or publishing their own comic book of course this is a limited way for both to make money,but it beats making CEO's and shareholders more money. Not trying to single you out you just seem so angry over something that has nothing to do with you.

  • June 2, 2011, 2 p.m. CST

    We've been promised torrent judgment day for years.

    by Rex Carsalot

    Never happened. And I never said that DC should give fuck one because I deleted my stolen comics - that was me deciding that their product wasn't even worth stealing anymore.

  • June 2, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Realism?

    by Rex Carsalot

    They have powers. It's not realistic. In terms of how they handle them, there have been some pretty good stories, but I could care less if it's realistic. Which is not to say that there should not be "rules."

  • June 2, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Art123Guy

    by toshiro-solo

    Anyone who tells you that's stealing has a different opinion than me. Downloading a scan of a previously purchased comic book is NOT the same thing as stealing a DVD of a movie you had already purchased on VHS, or stealing a Blu-Ray of a movie you'd already purchased on DVD. DVDs and Blu-Rays are offering you something that the previous generation didn't offer - a vastly improved picture and soundtrack. You can argue that since movies are an audiovisual experience, the movie you're re-purchasing is a distinctly different product from that which you had previously purchased. A scan of a comic book, however, is not a distinctly different product - at least not in my mind. What you're doing is more in line with what subscribers to the New Yorker now get - if you subscribe, you still get your physical magazine, but you're also entitled to a digital copy of the magazine. With what you're doing, no one is losing any business, whether it's the publisher who sold the book to the comic shop, or the comic shop who sold the book to you. You have nothing to be ashamed about.

  • June 2, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Vertigo titles

    by MacTard420

    Does anyone know if this announcement affects the Vertigo titles? I sure hope not! PLEASE LEAVE VERTIGO ALONE DC!!! Also I agree with Art123Guy. I don't believe scans of comics you already own should be considered wrong/illegal. It is a sensible archiving/backup strategy! I never thought about it that way, but I may start doing this in case a natural disaster wrecks my collection!

  • June 2, 2011, 2:29 p.m. CST

    shutupfanboy

    by art123guy

    READ my original post. Everything I've downloaded I own in print. I bought that book because I wanted it to complete my collection. I'm not pissed that I did it or by how much it costs. Also, it depends what 80's music you listened to. I'm a metal head and proud of it. I'm not living in the past. I still follow what I like, by buying it. The house comment was in response to you saying 'get out of your parent's basement' which I cannot do, and not to say I can't afford to buy comics. I just got this month's shipment of 60 comics. I'm sure you'll be pissed to know I got it from a subscription service online. I save 30%, again this will probably piss you off for screwing over Main Street but since no shops are in my area anymore, this is my only option for buying comics. My point was, it'll just be easier to down load. I never said it was right if you didn't purchase it. I still have no problem with downloading a backup. Also, you should probably cut down on the caffeine as you sound waaaaay to worked up.

  • June 2, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST

    toshiro-solo

    by art123guy

    Thank you for READING what I typed. I AM however ashamed of all the porn I've downloaded. I figure if I get caught, I'll just say I have an addiction and can't help myself. Seems to work with everyone in Hollywood.

  • June 2, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST

    I only read 7 DC books...

    by DuncanDisorderly

    I only read 7 dc books. And now I'm going to drop them all. Adios, DC! I'm done with your books. Also, I won't be back in a year's time when you reboot yet again.

  • June 2, 2011, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Pretty much ruining Superman and Wonder Woman...

    by NinjaRap

    ...barely affecting the rest of the characters aside from Wally West and Batgirl, it seems, though. At least from this early peek. I mean, Superman's getting the "One More Day" treatment (back to square one with no marriage to Lois, and her not knowing his secret identity) and is apparently in a relationship with Wonder Woman (a Golden Age notion that "Strongest Man should be with Strongest Woman," even though Wonder Woman frequently CUTS OFF HER ENEMY'S HEADS and Superman probably would make out with her about as quickly as he'd tap Oliver Queen's ass).

  • June 2, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Lost interest in mainstream superhero comics a while now

    by wackedfuck

    I mostly just read "smaller" stuff like The Walking Dead, Chew, etc. Thus these changes don't mean dick to me. As for the digital thing, the price for same day released comics (Walking Dead is amongst these) is usually the same as the printed versions ($2.99 as opposed to the usual $1.99 for most digital comics) and since I get a discount at my local comic shop, there's no reason for me to get the new books digitally. If they bring down their prices, then we'll talk.

  • June 2, 2011, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Booo to your booo. Babs needs to be Bats again. Enough

    by Dennis_Moore

    with treating ancient Alan Moore one-offs as sacrosanct . Go watch Batman Subzero or read BG yearone to see how awesome she can be. Also...hasn't DC ben rebooted about five times already this decade? And Aquaman won't work because na one will buy it. A few years ago, making the book a Sword and Sorcery was brilliant, and it ended up in the hands of the equally brilliant Tad Williams, but no one bought it. Same fate of the genius Immortal Iron Fist over at Marvel.

  • June 2, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Use this opportunity to have the characters age normally!

    by Philaspenser

    By all means, start everyone out younger, but the powers that be should use this opportunity to finally jettison the faulty, unwieldy "comic book time" concept. In a year's worth of issues, let Superman, Batman, etc., age roughly a year. For example, a few years from now, if they're referring to an adventure that took place in 2011, they can say exactly that, not something lame like, "when we fought Sinestro, a few months ago." Think of it. We can watch characters' kids grow up, start dating, etc. What was more frustrating than that eternally six Franklin Richards? We can watch heroes have to work a little harder to stay in shape as years go by, get to see the wisdom on their faces, etc., etc. And the beauty is, twenty or twenty-five years from now, and all the characters are starting finally look a little old? Just re-boot again! But in the meantime, we'd get to see a genuine, evolving universe with characters that change! Think about it!

  • June 2, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST

    i will be surprised if this isnt scrapped within in 3-5 years

    by sunwukong86

    remember Heroes Reborn and how long that lasted?

  • June 2, 2011, 3:48 p.m. CST

    For what it's worth

    by Peter David

    This is what I posted on my site at www.peterdavid.net: Glad I'm not a retailer. How do you order DC titles for September? Fifty two #1 issues as the entire line reboots. Do you order it with inflated numbers as a #1 suggests? Do you just order off your previous numbers? Except how do you factor in the possible impact of the simultaneous release of electronic editions? How much business is that going to siphon off? Decades ago, DC came up with the hardcover/softcover near-simultaneous release of some of their most popular titles and it was a spectacular failure. But at least the retailers themselves weren’t threatened. Or perhaps we’re just being paranoid. I mean, bookstores as a whole are doing extremely well and aren’t closing right and left, so it’s not as if comic book stores need to worry about their bottom line, right? Right? I take it back. I’m glad I’m not the DC sales rep who has to sell this concept TO the retailers. PAD

  • June 2, 2011, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Getting rid of Lois would be a good thing.

    by cookylamoo

    For years, readers have said that a writer will come along and make "The Marriage" work. Well, face it. The messiah's not coming so end it. Although having Superman boinking Woman is equally boring. I do like the idea of Superman tapping Oliver Queen though.

  • June 2, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    90% of you have no idea what you are talking about

    by Doctor Manhattan

    First off, no one from DC has used the word "reboot." It is revamp or tweaking you morons. Second, I would guess about 25% of you actually read DC books, so if you don't, get the fuck off this talkback. Now, from everything I have seen, and I hate my job so I scour the interwebs looking for info, the changes are going to be minimal and only shit from long ago is looking to be ignored. Not one of these solicitations is a new origin story or a complete reboot. 40 years of continuity are not going to be wiped out. Some of it is, but that happens on a FUCKING YEARLY BASIS in comic books! Blackest Night is standing. I would guess a lot of Morrison's Batman work will remain. Yes, the characters will be younger, yes some changes will be made, but not one of these books is starting from scratch. Hell, they tweaked the origins of Batman and Superman just a few months back following the last big universe-wide crossover you reactionary idiots. When was the last time anyone referred to Superman getting killed in a way that mattered? Or Batman having his back broken? Sure, Morrison weaved years of dumb Batman stories into a cool narrative, but who else has done tat/ How many Hawkman and Donna Troy origins have their been? Storylines are repeated every 5 years anyway. And of course this is going to stick. Because with the exception of some minor things, not a damn thing is really changing. It is all the illusion of change. Lois not being Supe's wife? Who gives a fuck? Everyone made a stink over Spider-Man and Mary Jane splitting and it was the best damn thing they have done in a while. The way it was done was fucking retarded, but the stories now are better than they have been in years. So all you dipshits talking about leaving DC, peace out. If you think a company is going to continue struggling for your precious nostalgia, you are too self-absorbed to live in this world anyway. Is any of this going to impact my storage facility filled with tens of thousands of already existing books? No, it won't make a bit of difference. Good storytelling and art is what matters. So get a fucking a grip. I would rather see DC live for another 50 years than go belly-up. And again, most of you are missing the real news here. The push to digital. If you want to freak out, freak out about the death of the comic book store. That has me far more worried than character revamps. Fucking idiots!

  • I'm feeling major reboot fatigue. DC, I've wasted enough money on you. I'm out! Marvel is just as bad. They killed off a major character in Fear Itself #3. I'm getting tired of their bloodthirsty gimmicks too. I will support my local shop by buying indie comics and back issues from the glory days of the big 2.

  • June 2, 2011, 4:08 p.m. CST

    It could be that the Superhero Genre is just mined out?

    by cookylamoo

    I mean after 25 years of deconstruction, what's the point anymore? People stopped making westerns because there was nothing left to say.

  • June 2, 2011, 4:09 p.m. CST

    And Doctor Manhattan

    by cookylamoo

    Save your vitriol for someone who cares.

  • June 2, 2011, 4:20 p.m. CST

    It'd be ballsy if it was something that lasted

    by MrEkoLetMeLive

    But nothing in comics lasts. The dead don't stay dead, the universe gets rewritten every five years, and old numbering systems get dropped for new #1's and then the old numbering system gets brought back in a few years because there's as much money to be made from nostalgia as there is from something fresh and new. It's a move that reeks of crass marketing and I'm not surprised that it's come only a couple of years after Warner Bros. and that whole conglomerate started taking a bigger interest in DC Comics after comic book movies started raking in the bucks. A new, younger Superman! Let's just call it "Justice League." No need for the "America!" Wonder Woman needs pants! Mandarin collars for everyone! Let's drop their ages by a few years! Superman needs to be single! Lois Lane's much more interesting as a romantic foil than a wife! As opposed to just taking characters that have endured and inspired for close to a century and just telling good stories with them. You don't want the characters to stagnate? You want the stories to progress? You want the characters to stay vital? Then how about you stop letting the same five guys write all the comics? Even five guys, brilliant as some of them are, are going to run out of ideas after a while. Get some new blood in there and let's see what they can do!

  • June 2, 2011, 4:30 p.m. CST

    And cookylamoo

    by Doctor Manhattan

    Exactly. If you don't care about the medium, get the fuck out of here. Comic books mean a lot to real fans. Find another talkback if you are not one.

  • I applaud you for handling that so succinctly. I've rarely seen it done better.

  • June 2, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST

    HEROES REBORN 2

    by jesus 2099

    great idea jim lee. someone will die at the end of flashpoint, history will change. this will cut off dc history from the legion, and so itll be legion lost cause they wont be able to go back in time or whatevers. in a year they will all just be characters inside of grant morrison's rubber ball and all the old school guys will be back with 3.99 books with legacy numbering. oh, digital books being a buck less? greed.

  • June 2, 2011, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Hey PAD, at least I have your Hulk issues to read!

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    The scary thing is, I think that comics as a whole, will not be around in about ten years. Not with movies, and video games of comic characters mainstreamed into most kids, instead of books. I think the best thing to do in the future is to eliminate monthly issues altogether. To fill in the void, do quarterly graphic novels, with about 6 monthly issues worth of stories. A lot of people stopped buying monthly issues anyway, due to the pricing, and go straight to the trade paperback when released. DC and Marvel, etc, should just focus on the entertainment aspect of their characters, such as movies, video games, and put the comics on the back burner.

  • June 2, 2011, 5:52 p.m. CST

    This will be my second departure from comics

    by A for Aristocrat

    The Dick Grayson / Damian Wayne story got me back into comics in a major way. I haven't been this into comics since I was a kid, so of course DC has to go and ruin it. Between this and Marvel killing all of my favorite characters for a gimmick, I think it's time to head out again. So...no more money for DC. I wont buy their games, trades or see their movies. They won't get another dime from me. And as others have said....FUCK YOU DC.

  • June 2, 2011, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Every story has to end

    by KoolerThanJesus

    Has anyone on this site ever read a novel or seen a movie? The story has to end some time. Like someone said above, I wish DC would bill this as them wrapping up their post-Crisis continuity like a novel writer would. Some will survive and some will die, but nothing is impossible. Starting in August 2012 DC comics will start from Chapter 1 all over again. As a former avid DC reader for years, I'm interested to see where this goes and will check out some of the new #1's since I won't have to collect 10 years of back issues to catch up.

  • June 2, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Witness the turmoil in the book publishing industry.

    by Julius Dithers

    The proliferation of e-readers will force mass-market paperbacks into the $15 range and hardcovers past $40 very soon. In April, there was a 40% decline in the purchase of hardcover books from March. The big six publishers are taking huge losses. They are looking at the hundreds (if not thousands) of pallets of books they ordered for US bookstores getting waylaid in the supply chain because demand is declining and bookstores are closing. Those publishers are running the numbers, looking at the expansion of the ebook market and they are acting accordingly. Can you blame comic publishers for taking the same precautions? Putting spinner racks at Target or Wal-Mart won't be the solution either, especially if mass-market paperbacks are on their way out. If you want to continue enjoying comics in their current form, tell your local comic book store proprietor that you will support them at $8-$9 price points for single issues, $40-$50 for collections, and $70-$80 for HC collections. They need your help now more than ever.

  • Unforgiven. No Country for Old Men. The True Grit remake. Yeah. Nothing to say.

  • June 2, 2011, 6:14 p.m. CST

    PAD!

    by Rex Carsalot

    I'll always worship you for X-Factor. And telling Liefield where to shove it. I'd be really curious how the artists and writers feel - do they shrug, or are they just as worried?

  • June 2, 2011, 6:16 p.m. CST

    by Weapon M

    Now if reboots are the most amazing thing and interesting thing to happen to DC in a long time, they are screwed... I mean seriously. this is ridiculous.. Does this have anything to do with the Lawsuit but Superman? No I dont think so. I mean Batman looks kind of the same. why are you going to make Superman younger? I mean this is ridiculous. This screams of another Gimick. This is a like someone going through their midlife crisis and wearing young cloths just to look young again and feel young again. It's futile and pathetic. Give me a break. How bout having some great stories? How about doing something that does not have to do with number 1 fetishes? Is this the 90's all over again? Give me a break. I have heard it all already. So far Jim Lee and the gang have done a great job for DC, but I am not feeling this idea at all. I am not feeling it at all.. How hubris destroys all.

  • June 2, 2011, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Eff this

    by lynchmob17

    I stopped reading comics in the mid-90's after over 20 years reading them. I got back into them around 2003. Now the endless cashgrabs of tie-ins and year-long maxiseries and shitty writing have started to push me away again. This is the last straw. Renumbering "Action", "Detective", "Batman", etc.? Are you fucking kidding me? Action was several years from becoming the first ever comic to reach 1,000 and now they want to start over with #1?!? Fuck you, DC. The only DC books I've been reading recently were "The Unwritten" and "Justice Society". "Unwritten" is a fantastic book, and "JSA" is my only real connection to my beloved golden age heroes. Everything else went downhill or got too dark for me. They bring back my childhood hero Barry Allen and now the rumor is they're going to kill him off again? Jesus Christ. Screw you, DC.

  • June 2, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Weapon M

    by KoolerThanJesus

    If this were like the 90s at least 2-3 of the Justice League men in the picture above would have long hair. Nearly every male comic book character grew their hair out in the 90s. This is nothing like the 90s.

  • June 2, 2011, 6:32 p.m. CST

    40 Years of Continuity?

    by OutsideChance

    Between Crisis, Zero Hour, 52, Spacebugs up Hal's ass, Final Crisis and at least three different "in continuity" Superman origins that I can think of (MoS, Secret Origin and Birthright), DC hasn't had a "continuity" to speak of since 1986. And even pre-Crisis, continuity at DC was, shall we say, fluid (just pick up any Bob Haney book from the 1970s, for example). Fans bitching about "continuity" can't have read very many DC titles.

  • June 2, 2011, 6:33 p.m. CST

    40 Years of Continuity?

    by OutsideChance

    Between Crisis, Zero Hour, 52, Spacebugs up Hal's ass, Final Crisis and at least three different "in continuity" Superman origins that I can think of (MoS, Secret Origin and Birthright), DC hasn't had a "continuity" to speak of since 1986. And even pre-Crisis, continuity at DC was, shall we say, fluid (just pick up any Bob Haney book from the 1970s, for example). Fans bitching about "continuity" can't have read very many DC titles.

  • and didnt do it on a massive scale hey, comics have for years had these big event to garner press and sales and ya...we are slowly watching the death of the comic book store....just as we are watching the death of the regular book store

  • June 2, 2011, 7:41 p.m. CST

    I heard they're going to make superman a homo

    by Nabster

    And wonder womens id an insane rape victim. It's supposed to appeal to the néw generation.

  • June 2, 2011, 7:53 p.m. CST

    why not $1.99?

    by Andy Mackler

    I would jump back in again if comics were less expensive. Cannot pay more for comics than gas or lunch....

  • June 2, 2011, 8:01 p.m. CST

    FUCK YOU DIDIO!!!

    by Matt

  • June 2, 2011, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Any possibility of a pre-Morrison Batman,

    by Subtitles_Off

    you know, a Batman that isn't some poser in Daddy's suit or is human instead of a time-traveling, laser-ray shooting personification of mythic, dark, bat-shaped voodoo crap, would be good. Any chance of that? HA! Oh, look! Wonder Woman has slacks again! "Hey, you, old guy. Been collecting DETECTIVE all your life? Looking forward to that big number, were you? Yeah, well fuck you Oldy McOlderson. You shoulda given this up a long time ago." This isn't anything at all to get excited about, people. Move along. Happens every two to three years. Then, they figure out there's really only one Superman -- the one that little kids know by heart --- and he ain't the DCNu one who's eighteen and angsty. "I wanna be Batman." "Sorry, we already got three or four of them. We need an Aquaman, though. Wanna be one of those?" "Nah." "Hey kid. Who are you supposed to be?" "I'm Blue Beetle." "I knew Blue Beetle. Blue Beetle was a friend of mine. You're no Blue Beetle."

  • June 2, 2011, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Cloverfield, for your excellent idea....

    by leo54304

    You win a free BJ from Diana Rigg as Emma Peel in her prime wearing her catsuit.

  • June 2, 2011, 8:16 p.m. CST

    2 years from now...

    by leo54304

    DC will go back to the way things were. Tops.

  • June 2, 2011, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Digital is where it's at.

    by Orbots Commander

    I know long time fans don't want to hear, but the changes technology can have on buying habits and media doesn't always make everybody happy. That said, I still buy paper books (novels and non-fiction); I'm a lapsed comics reader, and on occasion I'll buy an interesting graphi Still, if I could get a la carte comics on an iPad or Android tablet, any title I want, for a small monthly fee, say, $10 or so, then I'd be on that fast.

  • You know, so they can still sell more comics. Lettuce see, any guesses? Thor, Iron Man, Deadpool, and the one that talks to fish. No, check that. The one that nobody knows that's going to be in the Avengers movie. They'll kill that one to get its name in the papers. You know, Arrow Guy. Whoever.

  • June 2, 2011, 8:22 p.m. CST

    To kill the Flashpoint concept

    by leo54304

    When DC decides to switch back to the DCU we're used to, I'd like to have Luthor pull the plug on the new Flashpoint universe. Maybe he realizes that things are "wrong" and plots to kill bats, supes and WW as they are keys to the new universe. He hires a Legion of Doom to do the job (w/o telling them the truth about the flashpoint universe). Mini series features the 3 heroes making a last stand against the army of villains out to kill them. Series ends with the heroes falling one-by-one in the last pages and the universe fading to black in the last panel as Luthor and the villains stand triumphant over the heroes bodies.

  • June 2, 2011, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Is Star Trek to blame?

    by Rex Carsalot

    We liked that reboot very well - maybe DC thought we'd eat this up, too.

  • June 2, 2011, 8:38 p.m. CST

    The Flashpoint idea is like being in a bar at 1:45 am...

    by leo54304

    and the bartender gives a free drink from the "lady". You look down the bar and there sits Kirstie Alley who winks at you. You figure "what the hell" and go to a nearby hotel for some cheap, free sex. Next morning you wake up and ask yourself: what was I thinking?

  • June 2, 2011, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Philaspencer - naturally aging heroes

    by Tim

    This was my thought as well after reading through the post flashpoint news articles at CBR there was one older article that caught my eye about sidekicks and how they create problems long term. The first of these being Dick Grayson (my personal favorite combining the goodness of supes with the limits of Wayne) As he was allowed to become nightwing and then a hero in his own right it creates the generational time problem for comics. Fans of Bruce want Bruce (I can't stand the dark bastid). People like me want Grayson. Everyone wants Wayne jr as robin now but drake is awesome in his own right too. Barry/Wally/Bart and Hal/Guy/John/Kyle all have the same problem as well. How do you make everyone happy without stagnant storytelling? Natural aging. New fans watch the old guard pass on, see their favorites get their shot, and ultimately see their proteges fill their shoes. Some guys like Martin manhunter or kal-el get longer runs, possibly forever but they see Lois die of old age, the grief process, what comes after, etc. I think it would add a much needed reliableness to every character. A world where you would actually care that Bart died or that Wally had kids instead of thinking the whole time how much you miss post speed force merge Wally days. Restart? Fine. Even wipe out Grayson, Wally, et al. But let them all age naturally, watch Grayson and Wally for REAL this time. Their ONLY time. Then each generation of fan gets to enjoy a full run of their guy as their hero.

  • June 2, 2011, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Reliableness should be relatable-ness

    by Tim

  • June 2, 2011, 8:54 p.m. CST

    And this too shall pass......

    by archer1949

    I'll check it out, but I am not hopeful. Especially since everybody knows things will go back to the Pre-Flashpoint status quo in a couple years. It's just a pity because DC has a lot of good stuff out there right now. I'm especially pissed that the Batman, INC is going down the crapper for the sake of nostalgia. I am not kissing DC off just yet, but it don't look good.

  • June 2, 2011, 9:17 p.m. CST

    THIS IS NOT A REBOOT

    by Doctor Manhattan

    Exact words from DC this evening. Most of you continue to prove (including AICN with this misleading title) have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Wait until next week's solicitations before passing your knee-jerk judgement. Worry about the comic book store surviving, not the revamp.

  • June 2, 2011, 9:20 p.m. CST

    EXACT WORDS FROM DC EDITORIAL

    by Doctor Manhattan

    "We know that you want more details on the creative teams and their title-by-title assignments for the launch. . (And by the way, let me just reiterate this point: this is the launch of the New DCU. It is not a “reboot.” I think you will soon discover why that is.) We will send you an e-mail with more creative details next week, as a teaser in advance of the solicitation copy for Previews going live on the 13th. " Get the facts before spewing nonsense. Oh, and prices remain the same. Holding the line at 2.99, except for oversized books.

  • June 2, 2011, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Who cares - fuck continuity

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    On the other hand 52 fucking titles? Jesus christ on a crutch

  • June 2, 2011, 10:07 p.m. CST

    The dumbest part about this "relaunch"?

    by Timelord-2112

    Who has money to buy comics these days? We do... The 30+ year olds who have jobs and have been reading comics for years. So why the hell do you change everything to appeal more to children?? Makes no sense at all. The available digitally on the same day thing is great for us but why do I sense the demise of your corner local comic book store in the near future...

  • June 2, 2011, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Maybe I missed it...

    by symon

    But I don't understand why more people aren't mentioning Crisis (the original). That was easily as big a change as this sounds like it's going to be. It gave us John Byrne's completely different take on Superman and streamlined the universe. Literally, in that case.

  • He thinks people who read superhero comics are people with mental and social problems. He thinks they are immature losers that never grew up. He also feels it's homosexual to like stories about ripped men. I'm not making any of this up, this is what he wrote, and worse.

  • June 2, 2011, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Don't care if it's a reboot or not

    by Rex Carsalot

    Whether it's a day long or forever, whether it's a reboot or just a reference to some Earth 44, I am done with do-overs. And as a consumer, I really do get to decide that, whether you like it or not, think it's lame or not, or tell me to fuck myself. Bottom line - I get to decide if this rubs me the wrong way. It does. See ya.

  • June 2, 2011, 11:41 p.m. CST

    "meet the new boss...

    by CrusherJen

    ...same as the old boss." See, this is why I gave up on Wonder Woman many years ago, despite considering her *the* iconic comic book heroine as a kid. They just kept rebooting her over and over again, changing this and that detail or character every time. I felt, "Why should I bother reading this story and care what happens if in a year or so they're going to erase it so it never matters? Why should I treasure my copy of issue #600 if the series goes back to square one a year later?" And with that I drifted away from comics entirely for years, until I was working at a bookstore that carried comics and wound up hooked again. And now the entire DC universe looks like it's going to restart... which is a shame. I've gotten into the Green Lantern saga with the whole extended Blackest Night saga and the myriad of new power rings. If they're going to handwave that away, I'm going to feel cheated for following it for, oh, how many years now, and I'll probably stop reading DC again. I know, I know, reboots are a fact of life in the comic world these days, just like the Ultra-Fantastic-Special-Event-That's-Gonna-Change-Everything-You-Know-Forever-Until-the-Next-Special-Event-Comes-Along isn't going away either. Mega-events and reboots are here to stay. But they're getting tiresome. If DC really wants to pander to the short-attention-span crowd, then let them split off some sort of Ultimate-type universe for the newbies. Let those of us with memories and an appreciation for continuity have some enjoyment! And if Marvel kills off Deadpool- for real- then I'm outta there too. Nobody messes with my Deadpool!

  • June 2, 2011, 11:47 p.m. CST

    I bet this numbering/restyling lasts one year at most

    by slayme

    12 issues max then it's back to the old. fans are going to be super pissed and stop buying otherwise. maybe only 6. i've really been enjoying the current Batman series with Dick as Gotham's Batman. if DC intends this to be permanent then Flashpoint will be the end of the line for me.

  • June 2, 2011, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Fresh fanzines - for middle-aged fanboys, by middle-aged fanboys

    by Roger Moon

    Marvel and DC comics are in their death throes. And it's a beautiful thing to see. Die, die, die.

  • June 3, 2011, 2:50 a.m. CST

    check this out

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

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  • June 3, 2011, 2:50 a.m. CST

    check this out

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=216204815077525

  • June 3, 2011, 4:29 a.m. CST

    "Comic fans of today are horrible" - Devin Faraci

    by magic_ninja

    Stay classy, Devin. Sucks that your new website is a huge failure.

  • June 3, 2011, 5:11 a.m. CST

    The Crisis

    by A for Aristocrat

    I was there for the original crisis and for me it was a disaster. It killed the Legion and it took twenty years of reboots, restarts and alternate timelines to get the Legion back. It destroyed Hawk man, Wonder Woman and Wonder Girl. Part of the reason DC is as cluttered and screwed up as it is is due to the Crisis. However, several comics got out of the crisis relatively unscathed. Other than the jason todd origin and the Robin firing, Batman comics were relatively the same. What drew me back to comics again was Morrison reintegrating Batman's entire history. Now that's fucked. Grayson's deaged, demoted and cast back down to the Nightwing minor's. Superman is playing Dawson's Creek with Wonder Woman and the ultra cool Oracle is wiped out so she can play Batgirl again. So yeah it's not much but I'm voting with my dollars. A few thousand dollars isn't going to hurt DC but I doubt there will be a the rush of newcomers Didio is expecting to take my place.

  • June 3, 2011, 5:39 a.m. CST

    http://a.imageshack.us/img43/1845/reboot4copy.jpg

    by dailysportspages

    or... http://a.imageshack.us/img197/7127/dulcetpinereboot.jpg

  • I don't think this will have that much of a negative impact on in-store sales in comic book shops. Most of the people I know who regularly read comics simply prefer to have a dead tree version. I myself am that way -- I have digital copies of The Walking Dead, but lately I prefer to spend a little more for the printed versions. As for DC's reboot: The problem is that there are too damn many books and many of them are simply not selling well. They need to simply slim everything down to the most popular titles. And they need to stop doing limited-run series. Instead of a limited-run series featuring Batman, just publish the story in the pages of Detective Comics. Second, I think they should say for at least one year, there will be no crossovers. After that, they should keep crossovers to a minimum and there needs to be strong creative justifications to do them. Third, I don't think they should reboot all titles at once or reset the numbering. It should be considered on a title-by-title basis. Fourth, quit pandering to the collector's market -- it should be about the storytelling and artwork, first and foremost, and selling issues at a low, affordable price without the stupid special edition covers or other gimmicks.

  • June 3, 2011, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Re: Torrenting Comix Is Not Stealing

    by ArmageddonProductions

    To anybody kvetching about how downloading comics from torrent sites is "stealing", you're wrong on several levels. First of all, many comic book artists and writers actually ENDORSE this -- they consider having much of the body of their past work available online as a great and convenient way for somebody else to maintain an archive for them. Secondly, a comic book only profits the writers, artists and publishers once, the first time it's actually sold to someone. They don't get repeated residuals for airplay, like television, films or music, it's all in that initial sale. The people buying comics to collect them will continue to do so, the casual reader will buy a comic if he or she actually wants a physical copy to peruse, and the people who neither want to collect comics or want to browse 900 issues of "Superman" without mortgaging their homes or surrendering their garage for storage to do so will download them (legally or otherwise). It won't hurt comic sales for the publisher, because SOMEBODY bought that goddamn comic to scan in the first place. It won't hurt dealers, because collectors are still paying through the nose for back issues. And as far as Marvel and DC are concerned, since they're now subsidiaries of Disney and Time-Warner and are leasing out their characters and storylines for movies (let's face it, not even their best comics are pulling in the kind of dosh THOR or THE DARK KNIGHT box-office percentages are paying them!), I'm pretty sure nobody's going broke over bootlegging. Sure, stealing is wrong and no one should do it ... now, if we could only convince the six billion or so people that aren't you guys!

  • June 3, 2011, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Kids and Comics

    by ComicGuru

    Speaking as a comics retailer myself I get an awful lot of new kids in my shop all the time. They are the life blood of my business. Comic Guru has been around for eight years so I've got some track record. The most annoying thing for me is that I'll be expected to spend a huge amount on stock with no returns on any of it. Thats the reason the industry is not growing. Its business model is totally flawed. You want to get people reading new titles then make the Trades the same price as the issues are and don't release them the same time as the final issues in the arc. Low selling titles are being killed off because no one is supporting the comic. The most heinous crime is the often quoted phrase "Oh that looks good I'll wait for the trade." Its what killed off the wonderful Captain Britain and MI 13. Ironically one of my biggest selling comics over here in Wales. Anyway if you want to get more kids reading you'll have to change the way people regard comics. Only then will comic books really start to grow in terms of sales. Retailers need to sell their product. They can no longer just expect people to pick up books just because they have issue 1 on them.

  • June 3, 2011, 7:45 a.m. CST

    P.S. - The Redesigns

    by ArmageddonProductions

    ... and I'm still not sure about these redesigns. Red underwear is "gay", but skintight suits are considered manly? Batman needs a cape, since he uses that shit to hang-glide (and it looks like he's at least wearing DARK KNIGHT-style armor now), but unless Supes is using his to shield a cabana boy from harm or make a grand entrance at the Blue Oyster, I can't fathom why he still needs one. Plus, it still looks like he's wearing undies, just blue ones now. Everybody with a flipped up polo collar is also a bit disturbing. Also, why is it okay for Wonder Woman to still show off her boobs, but not okay to show butt and legs? Hell, it was okay for Lynda Carter and the "Super-Friends". The message being sent here is a very confusing one ...</p><p> Any attempt to guss up Superman for the modern age has consistently met with failure, though I may have been the only person on Earth who didn't hate Burton's design for SUPERMAN LIVES (or REBORN or whatever it was). While I can't imagine doing Superman any other way, there IS a lot of goofy shit they could get rid of, like the whole "Clark Kent" secret identity stuff -- at least fix it so he can somehow disguise himself better than a pair of specs, combing his hair goofy and acting like a spaz.

  • June 3, 2011, 8:01 a.m. CST

    This is just like a few tears after I was born

    by Dave Catanese

    my history teacher said that I had to learn all about the history of the world before I lived in it. I said fuck it, and had the universe rebooted to start over so that I would have a perfect jumping on point.

  • http://www.chud.com/18160/the-devins-advocate-the-new-depression-may-be-the-best-thing-that-ever-happened-to-comics/ He has said far worse things. If you read superhero comics Devin thinks you're a huge pathetic loser.

  • June 3, 2011, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Can they at least finish releasing the old 60's cartoons on DVD?

    by Triple_J_72

    I just want the rest of the Superman, Superboy, and Batman Filmation shorts from the 60's digitally remastered and on DVD. That's all I've ever wanted from DC. They can do whatever the fuck they want afterwards.

  • June 3, 2011, 9:30 a.m. CST

    I knew there was a reason I dis-liked DC

    by Wcwlkr

    I'm sorry but this idea is retarded! Especially knowing they'll just do another CRISIS ON INFINTE EARTHS crap and reboot everything again.

  • June 3, 2011, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Can someone who knows publishing...

    by KidKaos73

    PLEASE figure out how many copies of a digital comic DC would have to sell to make the same amount of money they make selling paper copies at $2.99? If a paper comic only sells 40,000 copies or so, and DC has printing and paper and shipping costs, not to mention the discount they give retailers, there can't be that much money left over in the end for them. It probably wouldn't take selling too many digital copies (which don't have those associated costs) to earn the same profit. Price your digital comic at .99 and see how many more sales you pick up. Pretty soon, that profit might surpass what they make on paper comics. What's that magic number for digital sales?

  • June 3, 2011, 12:02 p.m. CST

    MJ's ghost

    by Peter David

    Yes. Yes, we'll always have Hulk. And X-Factor isn't bad either. My wife partly agrees with you. Her theory is that eventually major publishers will abandon monthly printed comics entirely and instead go entirely digital on a monthly basis, and then release trade paperback collections of the digital comics. I have no idea if that will ever happen, but I can see it. When you consider that, on Amazon, electronic books are outstripping paperbacks in sales, it wouldn't be a shock if the same thing happened in comics. If I owned a comic book store, I'd be diversifying like mad right about now. PAD

  • June 3, 2011, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Rex

    by Peter David

    How do the DC creators feel? I honestly don't know. I haven't spoken to any of them, although a number of them are being quoted in places like Comic Book Resources. (I know because my website got a pingback from Robot 6 when they quoted my blog.) How do I feel about it from a creative point of view? It doesn't really have an impact on me since I'm a Marvel guy. But look at it this way: See that parenthetical sentence I used just above? It contains several words that pretty much didn't exist twenty years ago. Things change. You roll with it. PAD

  • June 3, 2011, 12:19 p.m. CST

    I envy guys like Doctor Manhattan.

    by cookylamoo

    Who buy anything DC puts in from of them and take every word the DC editors speak as gospel. God bless the comic zombie.

  • June 3, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    D.C.

    by rocketreducer62

    D.C. no longer stands for Detective Comics. It now stands for DONE (with) COMICS.

  • June 3, 2011, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Jim Lee is a great artist, that being said..

    by Stalkeye

    ...why does he draw mostly everyone too uber perfect looking? From what i have seen (back when I used to read comics.) there was more of an emphasis on aesthetics than substance. And his Wildcats series was a major letdown (The value of the comic was so low, That I couldn't even sell the mint conditioned 1st issue for $10.00 and that was two years ago.) Wish him the best on his JL project, but I know he'll do just fine.

  • June 3, 2011, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Jim Lee is a terrible and homophobic artist

    by Nabster

    Jim Lee is known for his legendary homophobia. But that doesn't matter because his style of art is horrible. He helped destroy comics.

  • June 3, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Is there any particular reason

    by Peter David

    ...that I should either know who Devin Focaccia is or care what he says? Just curious. PAD

  • June 3, 2011, 6:56 p.m. CST

    PAD, another crazy thing is....

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    So, I live in Tampa, FL right now, and we have a total of 3 stores as of now. Most of my life I lived in NC, where there might me one comic store in every 300 mile radius. If you go into any of them, you see Direct figures, direct t-shirts, direct statues, and the list goes on. Now, I am wondering, where will most of the direct merchandise be sold at if there are no more "Comic book Stores"!? Will you be able to just stroll into a Target, and pick the direct stuff up? With the online status of the future of comics, I see as the end of direct merchandise as well. That has got to take a toll on the brands (DC, Disney/Marvel, Image,etc) making profit. My son is 5, and I got him into reading comics, and taking him into the comic stores, but from the looks of everything........We need to enjoy it while we can. Oh, and Peter, if your ever in FL, let's do lunch, my treat!

  • June 3, 2011, 7 p.m. CST

    On the bright side, the comics'll still be $2.99...maybe!

    by MrMysteryGuest

  • June 3, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST

    MJ's Ghost

    by Peter David

    "Now, I am wondering, where will most of the direct merchandise be sold at if there are no more "Comic book Stores"!? " Well, probably the same place that books will be sold if there are no more book stores: on line. PAD

  • June 3, 2011, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Gee thanks Ambush Bug

    by Circean6

    Can we really talk about it now? You sure? To hell with your crappy reviews & your 5 day late updates. And you have the temerity to post like your doing US a favor? This site used to BE something.

  • June 3, 2011, 9:22 p.m. CST

    My opinion of the reboot...

    by eveelcapitalist

    ...Is floating in my toilet. Seriously, this is the worst thing DC could do. Hopefully it's just a cheap sales gimmick with everything going back to normal after four months. They really going to cancel Action Comics and start with a new number one? Please! They said the same thing after Crisis and the first reboot. Never happened. DC is announcing this before the new solicits so they can get reactions. If it's too bad, they'll alter their plans. They aren't cancelling the longest running comic series like Action and Detective only a few years before they hit quadruple digits. Cause hitting #1000 sn't a celecratory event? Bull. Shit. No Superman and Lois Lane? Fail! In comics we know the status quo reigns. This won't last.

  • June 3, 2011, 10:05 p.m. CST

    The 52 books should be

    by chien_sale

    Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, Hawkman, AnimaMan(mix of Aquaman and Animal Man), The Spectre, Nightwings(all Batman sidekicks), Deathstroke, Legion of Super-Heroes, Shazam, Doom Patrol, New Gods, Firestorm, Captain Atom, Booster Gold & Blue Beetle, Wild Cats, Authority, Elya Snow, Dead Man, Zatanna, Doctor Fate, Martian Manhunter, The Atom, Kamandi, Omac, The Creeper, Etrigan, The Question, Plastic Man, Cyborg/John Henry Iron, Society of Super-Villains, Hellblazer, Death, Sandman, Swamp-Thing, Challengers of the Unknown, Suicide Squad, Teen Titans, Power Girl, Guy Gardner, European Team, Hawk & Dove, Green Arrow, Vril Dox, Lobo, Jonah Hex, Sgt Rock, JLA, JSA, Karate Kid

  • June 3, 2011, 11:58 p.m. CST

    word of wisdom to DC

    by houbou

    Hey rebooting is all fine.. again.. and again.. I've been reading comics for well over 35 yrs now.. and I've been reading DC comics that spans from since Superman No 1. There has been many reboots, etc.. All in the name of keeping it fresh and interesting. But, as DC is going to reboot and enhance their distribution venue by going digital... My advice would be to work hard at keeping consistency and to look at the bigger picture. What is the bigger picture? MOVIES! TV Shows... Develop storyline and characters, etc.. which would port faithfully to the silver screen or tv shoes as well as in the comics. I could be wrong, but seriously, enough of the "adaptation" crap! If you are going to reboot, be smart about it.

  • June 4, 2011, 12:04 a.m. CST

    And you wonder why I prefer to write than read...

    by Literarywanderer

    I was a long time comic lover. Collected the greats. I still have Byrne's Superman: The Man of Steel reboot from 1986, Miller's The Dark Knight Returns and Year One, The Killing Joke, and more. The problem is DC and Marvel won't create new characters. That is what I hate. Knowing no one can die, that nothing matters, it robs stories of impact. It is because of stories, and their static status quo, that I became a writer. It took over a decade but I finally wrote and published my own "pulp" story as a novel, Proxies of Fate. A classic comic tale and a big "fuck you" to the big publishers who prfer vomiting out the same story over and over again. It is time for Batman to retire, Superman to die, the X-Men to evolve, and Spider-man to grow up. I like optimism, realism, and good writing with my comics. That is why I pursued and finally published my own story. Fuck DC and Marvel. They refuse to take chances!!!

  • June 4, 2011, 10:52 a.m. CST

    as a kid i dreamed of owning a comic book shop

    by Orion

    glad that went the way of astronaut, world class spy and superhero. FUCK YOU DC!

  • June 4, 2011, 11:38 p.m. CST

    I'm withholding judgement for now but...

    by CreamCheeseAlchemist

    I'm wary. I moved to manga and Preacher collections because they were easier to get when I went to college and I already lost most interest in the DCU after Anarky went into limbo. But I'm back at my high school level of comics again, a DC-majority pull list each week, but for how long? That depends on you, DC. I understand Anarky's politics are an issue (and my own experience is that a 16 year old philosopher is most likely a closet case) but I'll settle for something new with Kate Kane each month.

  • June 5, 2011, 7:27 p.m. CST

    40 years of history...

    by azkcdp

    I agree: they are not just wiping out 40 years of history...they are wiping out their fan base! We're going to pay full $$ price for a digital comic that we have to sit at the computer and read? And will disappear with the next crash? No thanks. I'll take paper.

  • June 5, 2011, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Batman is not Dick Grayson. Never will be. Quit saying that s#!t.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Kill Bruce Wayne. If that's your thing. I'm fine with it. But, let Batman die with him, because Batman's not some clothes in the drawer. Stuff Junior in Daddy's hand-me-downs, and you're not only fukking up the concept of Batman, you're fukking up Junior, too. Comic book fans. Jebus. We want change! We don't want change! We want our own stories! Don't you dare reboot us! Batman's a universal icon! God, I hate Batman! Best characters in comics! Let's totally change them! Spandex would never work! More spandex --- it's hot! Batman was so queer in The 50s! Those queer Batman stories from The 50s are totally awesome now! Jim Lee's a God! Jim Lee sucks! My head hurts. Dumbest hobby I ever garnered any pleasure from. I'm glad all that's over. I'm also glad DC pulled the tough-love thing on me and kicked me out of the nest. I might never have been motivated on my own.

  • June 5, 2011, 9:37 p.m. CST

    This will help gut the revenue stream

    by INWOsuxRED

    It kills the collectable nature of back-issues, which hurts the primary dealers of comics, all that during an economic downturn. From there, how is it daunting to an outsider to jump in on a single ongoing storyline, but it isn't daunting to jump into 52 different intertwined origin issues with little to no differentiation all at once? It always seemed that newcomers would be introduced to comics by pointing them to established runs that had lots of positive feedback. This will just turn off another batch of old timers, the way the old stunts have crushed the base for the last few decades.

  • June 6, 2011, 1:05 a.m. CST

    You Americans are lucky.

    by themanwhojaped

    In Australia an average single issue costs between $6 and $8, despite the fact that the Aus dollar is currently worth more than the American dollar. $1.99 digital comics are a significant saving, especially as they'd only cost about Aus $1.50 at the moment. Regardless, this is a terrible idea from DC. The backlash from this is HUGE already. They are alienating the fans and destroying their retailers for what we know will net very little profit. The more research I do, the more I am convinced that this line-wide reboot is mostly to do with their having to reboot Superman completely owing to the Superman Lawsuit and the esate of Schuster and Seigel. In the lawsuit by Schuster and Seigel's estates DC lost the rights to Superman's Kryptonian origin, S symbol, Lois Lane, his identity as Clark Kent and a few other things. What they retain is the term kryptonite, Lex Luthor and Superman's powers. So the Superman being foisted on us by DC (missing the red trunks on his outfit, I might add - looks weird) may very well NOT be Clark Kent, NOT be an alien and is confirmed not to be involved in any way with Lois Lane. Couple that with de-aging all the characters, giving them crappy new costumes with mandarin collars, new origins and doing a relaunch of fifty new titles at from issue #1 (50! all at once!) I fear DC may be headed for a new Comics Crash.