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UPDATED WITH LIST!!! AICN & The Alamo Drafthouse Presents: SUPER 8 INSPIRATIONS! You're gonna love this!

Hey Folks, Harry here...  Here's the list of attendees - each source email will be emailed once my email gets up and running (one of them days) - in that email will be your instructions for the evening.   I only overbooked by 10 people, so it is first come first serve with a very limited chance of not getting in.   Most likely we'll have a standby line to fill the screening up in case people can't help but not show.    SO here we go...  



1. Harry Knowles

2. Patricia Knowles

3. Jay Knowles

4. Dannie Knowles

5. Aaron Dunne

6. Giovanni Ramirez

7.  Roland DeNoie

8.  Marcus Owens

9.  Alicia Rutledge + 2

12.  Brian Satterwhite

13.  Dominique Bellavia + 1

15.  Neil Reese*

16.  Luiz Eduardo Gomes Da Silva Pinto

17.  Octavio Mendes de Oliveira Neto

18.  Filipe Gontijo

19.  Meredith Woods

20.  Monica Barnes

21.  Wesley Heidenreich

22.  Elissa Pyles

23.  Ryan Vaughn

24.  Mark Roma

25.  Candice Roma

26.  Barbara Kennedy

27.  Brian Behm

28.  Angela Behm

29.  Dshanya Reese

30.  Brian Kelley

31.  Aaron Morgan

32.  Kaela Morgan

33.  J Wade Dial

34.  Tara Lee George

35.  Paul Gandersman

36.  Annalise Mirabella

37.  John Estrada

38.  Eric Vespe 

39.  Tony Vespe

40.  Jarrette Moats

41.  Luke Mullen

42.  Brian Salisbury

43.  Adam Charles

44.  John Carpenter

45.  Taro Hanrahan

46.  Kristin Larsen

47.  C. Robert Cargill

48.  Jessica Cargill

49.  Brady Dial

50.  Harvey Smith

51.  Neil Cook

52.  Dart Nguyen

53.  J. C. De Leon

54.  Sarah Coulter

55.  Lee Vanwallene

56.  Daisy De La Torre

57.  Alex Billington

58.  Gordon Jones

59.  Ben Bartley

60.  Rick Shick

61.  Richard Heim

62.  Kimberly Locke

63.  Simone Heim

64.  Ernie Cline

65.  JJ Weber

66.  Morgan Faber

67.  Matthew Kiernan

68.   Raul Ramirez

69.  Eric Resendiz

70.  Mark Capers

71.  Zach Hill

72.  Larisa Kloske

73.  Chelsy Magee

74.  Jason Peeler

75.  Charles Tallent

76.  Sam Eidson

77.  April Swartz

78.  Nathan Sakulich

79.  Michael Warren

80.  Nikki Craig

81.  Andrew Cook

82.  Melissa Cook

83.  Lee Simon

84.  Mike Fisherman

85.  Jaclyn Simon

86.  Ari Lesartre

87.  Rand Shuler

88.  Danielle Baumgartner

89.  Scott Wampler

90.  David Hansen

91.  April Swartz

92.  Matthew Paniagua

93.  Jesse Mengden

94.  Allen Irwin

95.  Gideon Rogers

96.  Tyler Hinton

97.  Brad Goode

98.  Kevin Williams

99.  Adele Williams

100.  Samantha Spears

101.  Daniel Ramirez

102.  Christen Gmitter

103.  Deanne Blackstone

104.  Bethany Blackstone

105.  Bouncer Blackstone

106.  Lauren Lee

107.  Emily Hagins

108.  Newt Wallen

109.  Kristy Richman

110.  Justin Silverman

111.  Sean Messinger

112.  Lyndsie Lowry

113.  Ed Day

114.  Matt Gardner

115.  Eric Schimel

116.  Kirk Reimer

117.  Kristen Fischer

118.  Jordan Stewart

119.  Andy Simon

120.  Michael A Hennesy

121.  Chris Blackmon

122.  Eric Webb

123.  Stefan Morris

124.  Zach Spivey

125.  Frank Gonzalez

126.  Ashley Johnson

127.  Tucker Cowan

128.  Jessica McCoy

129.  Charles Crane

130.  Mike Nystul

131.  Bryan Nystul

132.  Jim Nystul

133.  Tyler Kloss

134.  Marshall Peterson

135.  Matt Tice

136.  Carolyn Rose Scott

137.  Jon Peck

138.  Hector Gonzales

139.  Myranda Anderson

140.  Kai Ferguson

141.  Courtney Hazlett

142.  Maegan Williams

143.  Juliet Jones

144.  David Lopez

145.  Brian Neilan

146.  Jessica Lickness

147.  Kristopher Mackey

148.  Tisha Mackey

149.  Dale Allen Hibbard Hurshman

150.  Elizabeth Weigle

151.  Alaric Weigle

152.  David Delgado

153.  Ed Travis

154.  Marc Sherman

155.  Aaron Monroe Mutter

156.  Travis Boles

157.  Tyler Boles

158.  Josh Umphress

159.  Maxim Pozderac

160.  Michael Lemons

161.  Rebecca Elliott

162.  Fitz Meshbane

163.  Lex Lybrand

164.  Kelli Horan

165.  Eric Budd

166.  Brit Borek

167.  Nick Miller

168.  Daniel Perales

169.  Rhemmie Rodriguez

170.  Christina Velasquez

171.  Jonathan Reynolds

172.  Brett Leipziger

173.  Chris Kim

174.  Cole Northway

175.  Eric Garza

176.  Caleb Castro

177.  Josh Valdez

178.  Justin Rightmer

179.  Ryan Rightmer

180.  Dana Archip

181.  Mario Pena

182.  Melissa Parks

183.  Chelsea Parks

184.  Austin Green

185.  Lindsay Warner

186.  Marc Steven English

187.  Josh Kramer

188.  Bart Kibbe

189.  Craig DeBarge

190.  David Dembowski

191.  Simon Day

192.  Stephen Bowles

193.  Ryan Steans

194.  Joseph Moreno

195.  Deepak Chetty

196.  Adriana Gerbig

197.  Kevin Ford

198.  Alexis Markham

199.  Edward Ortiz

200.  Kenneth Yost

201.  Bobby Joe Warren

202.  Caleb Mayo

203.  Kassy Coleman

204.  Hershal L Whiteman

205.  James Froeschle

206.  Nathan Locklear

207.  Ken Yost

208.  Jeff Gleason

209.  Chris Randleman

210.  Doug Randleman

211.  Richard Kean



Hey folks, Harry here...  I loved the hell out of SUPER 8, I get to run my review on June 1st, but I have to tell you that I flipped for the film.   Some will criticize the nostalgic awesome that the film plays in, but not me.  I love looking back, remembering and most of all celebrating the films that inspire the artists and directors of today.   SUPER 8 isn't any particular film from my past, but it conjures warm blanket awesomes from that period of film, while being an entirely new story.    

SO - I proposed this screening notion.   Let's watch 4 of the films from JJ Abrams list of inspirations for SUPER 8...   

The event will take place on Thursday, June 2nd at the Alamo Drafthouse South here in Austin, Tx at 6:30pm.    The event will take us a bit into June 3rd no doubt, so...  what's screening?


We're going to start with SLUMBER PARTY MASSACRE, which JJ was really fond of, in particular the unconventional score, but also - just a really really fun flick!  A full on slasher film.

Next, we have what I'm hearing is a very special print of CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND.  I'm very excited about seeing this.

Then we have a bit of a miracle, a 35mm print of David Cronenberg's SCANNERS!  I haven't seen this theatrically since the Drive-In, where I saw it double-featured with TELEFON, but man...  SCANNERS on the big screen.  

Lastly, we got a 35mm print of John Carpenter's THE THING.  Which is always a big deal!

The most special thing about this screening, is because SUPER 8 exists and because JJ named these 4 films among others as his inspiration, because the Alamo Drafthouse rules, because Paramount rented these prints - we now have a great event to enjoy in the company of huge film lovers that respect these sorts of events...   that means if you get in, you're assured of a great film going experience.   Which is why I'm putting this as one of the 15th Anniversary AICN events for this year.   The first was the fun DRAGONSLAYER screening with Guillermo Del Toro at the Paramount Theater.   Now you get 4 classic films for free!

So how do you get into this crazy fun event?


In the body of the email I want your full name, the full names of your guests (up to 2 besides you) and...

A brief essay about why you want to see these films with a respectful audience of your fellow awesome film geeks of Austin, what the films mean to you and what you hope to see reflected from these films in SUPER 8 which opens June 10th!

I will write the winners back as soon as I've filled the glory of Screen 2 at the Alamo Drafthouse - and folks, this is going to be one hell of a night of Geek Cinema!!!

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  • May 27, 2011, 10 p.m. CST

    Post 0


    Want to see The Influences of SUPER 8 at the Alamo Drafthouse for the 15th Anniversary of AICN Geek Extravaganza?

  • May 27, 2011, 10:03 p.m. CST


    by Madmacks

    looking forward to seeing it, still remember going to see Jaws at The Astoria in Brighton on Boxing day (26th December) 1975. i could use a little bit of nostalgia about now.

  • May 27, 2011, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Because Harold is a fucking moron

    by Proman1984

    And he thinks Post 0 makes him look like he's running the site. In reality he is the biggest dumbass here, though Merrick is pretty close.

  • May 27, 2011, 10:10 p.m. CST

    The reason for post 0

    by DiscoGodfather

    It's not to get the jump on "First!" trolls, but so followers of the AICN Twitter feed know when a new article is posted on the site. He actually said that once.

  • May 27, 2011, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Smells like bullshit

    by darth_hideous

    What's next? A new Spiderman one-sheet and a Catwoman pic? Oh wait..

  • May 27, 2011, 10:21 p.m. CST

    ??? How was the score, Harry???

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Did it remind you of that period too?

  • May 27, 2011, 10:58 p.m. CST

    So fucking awesome...

    by realJWade

    Really, what a great line-up. Hardly surprising that a parade of whiny cunts and trolls have marched in to abuse the website, the event, and the movie they haven't seen yet. I'd be pissed if I was always missing out on the AICN screenings, too.

  • May 27, 2011, 11:59 p.m. CST

    @genderblender - um, the buzz for "Super 8" is extraordinary...

    by dasheight

    ...and when this movie is #1 at the box office and is one of the biggest hits of the Summer, will you come here and admit you're wrong? And um...please explain to me how lighting, effects, characters, plotting, acting, depth and innovation don't apply to "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", and "E.T.", "Empire of the Sun", - etc.? You do realize that every single film EVER MADE involves those things, right? Are you criticizing Harry's reviewing style - the perspective he comes from? or are you criticizing the films of Steven Spielberg? How did something like "Empire of the Sun", one of the most beautiful films ever made, "ruin" cinema? What are you babbling about? And seriously - if you think "Super 8" isn't generating any "buzz", you have no connections in the industry, and aren't speaking to the average person in the street, who's extremely excited about this film. The movie will open at #1 and probably stay there for 2 or 3 weeks.

  • May 28, 2011, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Nostalgia is fine, as long as there's more to it than that.

    by JuanSanchez

  • May 28, 2011, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Ah haaa. So "Post 0" is all about advertising via Twitter?

    by Laserbrain

    That's a really good idea. Instantaneous updates straight to your phone/PDA with links to all the latest and freshest news from the site that brings it to you first. Now I just gotta get an iPhone.

  • May 28, 2011, 12:55 a.m. CST

    I agree with GenderBlender...Write a proper, serious, ADULT review.

    by conspiracy

    We all have films that on a personal level take us somewhere...but those are just subjective thoughts, not reviews. For instance...I'd never recommend my friends watch Gargoyles, which I loved as a kid and still would watch today...because kind of fucking sucks (in a fun sucky way). My love of that film is just my personal impression, and when I step back and look at it as an adult...I can put aside the fun, but ultimately dishonest memory and give you the straight truth, "unless you were there...or high..or like 70's cheesy horror it bites". So Harry...for once put aside all that subjective crap that means nothing to anyone buy yourself..and write an honest, heartfelt, serious, analytical ADULT review. Be a real reviewer...tell us is this story coherent and captivating, is it well written, well acted, does it do more than just evoke memories of other films and stand on it's own. Is it Art or just Product? Is it adult fare or reserved for the emotionally stunted and 12yr olds? Put aside your well known love of the genre, the director, the CGI foolery and write an honest review based upon objective criteria. Write a review that allows us, the paying public, to know in black and white, is it worth out time and money.

  • May 28, 2011, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Sounds awesome!

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    Wish I could be there. Hope it's a great event, Harry.

  • May 28, 2011, 1:23 a.m. CST

    nd you dare to add "innovation" to that list at the end?

    by MoffatBabies

    Phht. Grow the fuck up. Nothing is innovation without truly spitting on everything else on that list. I hope his next review does nothing but talk about a single experience he had as a child with an action figure in his back yard and doesn't even mention the film except in passing. GFY, in the most true sense I can imagine.

  • Jezz, Harry loved SUPER 8. Little suprise there. And after this screening marathon,. who's still i doubt who actually run AICN nowdays? Harry? Try JJ Abrams instead. The clues pile and pile and pile... Even, if for the sake of argument, Super 8 actually is a good movie, it will not be the masterpiece that Harry will claim to be. *sight*

  • May 28, 2011, 3:28 a.m. CST

    The Influenza of Super 8.

    by AsimovLives

  • May 28, 2011, 3:34 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Good to see the love for EMPIRE OF THE SUN. There is a valid argument in that Spielberg helped contribute to the dumbification of american cinema, specially those made in Holywood. Though he might not had been the main man, he was the major inspiration and he lead the way. He did it unintentionally, butthe movies he made, and his pal George Lucas, paved the way. I always saw EMPIRE OF THE SUN as a sort of atonement from Spielberg from the fluff stuff he had doen before and made his name. Spielberg has always had ambitions more then just making commercial movies for the whole general audiences. Which explains later movies like MUNICH. And JJ Abrams has no other ambition then to make mvies which are Spieblerg's less challenging and less ambitious. Think about it.

  • May 28, 2011, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Asking Harry to write a proper review

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Better chance of: Beaks no longer choosing his weekend movies based on their sexual assault content, or Michael Bay no longer "testing" out a new actress, or JJ saying goodbye to "lens flare"

  • May 28, 2011, 5:35 a.m. CST

    I just hope it's not really 8 alien boxes flying around...

    by sonnyfern

    Cause I don't know if I could take that seriously.

  • May 28, 2011, 5:37 a.m. CST

    i'm doing the same event at the same time at home :)

    by brightgeist

    since i can't afford to go to Austin for this awesome event (i'm saving for BNAT ;) ), i'll be there in spirit, watching the same movies simultaneously with you guys!

  • Is the japanese poster taking a piss on Abram's love for lens flares or what? It's pratically a parody.

  • May 28, 2011, 7:23 a.m. CST

    tip, when you're on a first date with some chick....

    by Bobo_Vision

    ...and you're trying to get it in....and she's like 'noooo....i don't know....we don't know each other well enough....' do you say to her "just the tip"? <p> Do you? And is that the origin of your screenname?

  • May 28, 2011, 7:33 a.m. CST

    One of those loose Chicagoan chicks

    by Bobo_Vision

  • ...Hate people that say a film will be brilliant or terrible before anyone has even seen it. I know you don't like Abram's Asi, but he's a more competent director than the Brett Ratners and Uwe Bowls of this world, so he could still surprise you. Hell, he's only made a couple of feature films so far.

  • ...I'd take Close Encounters over Munich any day of the week.

  • May 28, 2011, 10:10 a.m. CST

    asi saw the poster here recently

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    i laughed re the lens flare, but I generally like JJs imagination and influences and look forward to checking out the film I really think if Lucas was to die, and Star Wars movies were to be made he is the guy you would want to be involved, and maybe to your comments he is not the guy for Star Trek, but that is not a debate I want to get into

  • May 28, 2011, 11:01 a.m. CST


    by Frojitsu

    Genderblender hates fun.

  • ...And comparing Star Trek to Transformers is folly. It isn't just Harry, but most critics thought Trek was good and Transformers a fail. Audiences agreed. Most who saw Transformers, especially Revenge Of The Fallen, thought it was garbage, but most of those that saw new Star Trek enjoyed it. there is obviously a difference, whether you can see it our not. Why? Hard to say. Better staged action set pieces. More likable characters, the cast. Why was Iron Man a lot better than The Incredible Hulk? On the surface both movies hit the same beats, have just as much action, cheesy gags...but Iron Man was more universally acclaimed and loved by cinema goers. Star Trek had that certain something that Transformers did not, it cannot be denied. The evidence is there in audience reaction and critical response. As I've said before, name recognition and shiny special effects might get bums in seats, but it's not going to brainwash or trick someone into enjoying the film they are watching.

  • May 28, 2011, 11:11 a.m. CST

    genderblender just blew my mind...

    by realJWade

    I mean, wow. Just wow. What a monologue. Your folksy realism is charming, the ironic grumblings of an old man telling children where they've gone wrong while simultaneously running them off his lawn. But I could feel the honesty, the sense of moral righteousness that powers your didacticism. Why, then, are you wasting fuel lighting fires here at the AICN Talkbacks? Surely someone with your passion and power should be out beating the streets, protesting abortion clinics or encouraging your government to continue stealing workers rights. Unless of course, this was you: In which case you're not only capable of crafting a masterful monologue, but you also have a Danny Ocean esque flair for criminal master plans. Too bad you're lousy with a .38.

  • ...Not everything has to be gritty and realisitic. What about escapism? What about idealism? What about wonder? What about cinema as dreamscape? Sometimes movies show us how the world could be, or should be, and that's a lot of the reason I love watching movies. Jesus, how can you guys be so cynical as to not see that film is as much about joy and spectacle than it is anything else. I suppose you hated Indiana Jones and Star Wars too huh?

  • ...Um, that's like saying of Planet Of The Apes "What would you be left with if you cut out the monkeys? Nothing." Dude, why would you want to cut out the spectacle anyway? Spectacle is one of the things that makes visual storytelling so great.

  • May 28, 2011, 11:42 a.m. CST

    BNAT junior

    by werewolfbynight

    wish i could be there

  • May 28, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST

    RE: I'm hosting a similar event in North Carolina...

    by The Tao of Joe

    Info here: Aside from being a long-time talkbacker, I actually host a "new classics" retrospective in Greensboro, North Carolina called the Mixed Tape Film Series. We play a lot of great films from the geek pantheon in 35mm at the historic Carolina Theatre. We've begun a programming lineup based on "Super 8" called The Summer of Spielberg. Last Thursday, we played "Jaws." This week, we're playing "Close Encounters." We'll also be playing "E.T." and "Jaws." Got some cool surprises lined up, too, so if you live in NC, stop by. We'd love to geek out with you. P.S. Tickets are only $5.

  • I beg to differ.

  • May 28, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Raiders of The Lost Ark and Close Encounters are fluff movies. Excelently made and captivating fluff that i adore, but fluff nontheless. but at elast they are smartly made by a smart director who's a smart person himself. Which is shown in the movie. And MUNICH is an excelent movie, regardless of it's rewatchability factor. And it's the type of movies that Spielberg should be making this days instead of trying to recapture what he was in the past. He's no longer the person he was in the 70s and 80s, and it better both he and the fans start realising that fact. When spielberg makesa movie like MUNICH, it captures my interst and imagination. when he tries to recapture his past with bullshit movies like CRYSTAL SKULLFUCK, i just the need to never gave him my attention again. Ditto for hacks who are trying to use nostalgia for the Spielberg's movies of the 70s and 80s for his own newest film as a gimmicky to put asses on seats.

  • A Tarantino movie is a Tarantino movie, they aren't alike any other. The hommages are the start, not the end of his movies. Same thing with Neill Marshall, who's also an expert in the use of hommage to know his own movies made in his own style. Abramsis not doing that. He's evne boasting mimicking (which otyhers charitably call hommaging) as it's own selling point. Completly shameless.

  • May 28, 2011, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Imagine if SUPER 8 starts a trend?

    by AsimovLives

    Imagine the next 5 to 10 years full of Holywood movies made in the exact image and style of movies made in the past 30 years, specially Spielberg's 70s style? Image the next 5 years filled with movies made Super 8 style? I mean, Hoklywood likes nothing better but to copy sucess "formulas", and if Super 8 is a sucess, then it's pretty rpedictable this could be the start of a new Holywood trend. A very anoying trend, i might add. Image the near future of Holywood movies: Over-abuse of CGI, over-bearing use of 3D and over-bearing nostlagia filming style. Good grief! It's enough to make a guy go for the bottle!

  • May 28, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Considering that he already turned Star Trek inot Star Wars, yeah, let him play with Star Wars if Lucas decide to call it quits. I would love to see Abrams actually tackle a real Star Wars movie. The outcry from the final result from SW fans would be something to behold. I would laugh like hell. There is an old saying: beware what you ask for, because you might get it. You know what i mean?

  • May 28, 2011, 1:20 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Don't invoke audience reaction to your ddefense of Abrams Trek becaus the numbers say otherwise. Look at the box office results of Trashfuckmers 2 compared to Abrams Trek. Abrams Trek can barely claim a 1/3rd of the box office nubmers of the former, if that. As for the critical response for both Abrams Trek and Trashfuckmers, i'd say that today's critics are being pretty slow and obtuse in catching up with the top hacks of today. It took almost 14 years until the critics start realising, for certain, that Mr Bay is nothing but a full on untalented hack and that Pearl Harbor was not an exception but the rule. With Abrams, critics are to him what they were to Bay at the time of Armageddon or even The Rock, they are still hypnotized with the latest kid on the block who talks big. It happened before, it happens now, and it will happen in the future for sure.

  • PLANET OF THE APES is a very clever movie which deals with lots of the social issues of the day, back in 1968, and it's still pertinent today since we still are dealing with those in today's world as we speak. Truly you cannot be oblivious tothe themes found in PLANET OF THE APES, are you, friend?

  • May 28, 2011, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Just a thought

    by Capone

    If you really hate the way Harry or any of the AICN gang actually allow personal passion or preferences for the films of, say, Steven Spielberg to get injected into our review...if you'd like to read more serious, adult reviews, please go somewhere else. This ain't that place. We actually had reactions on a genetic level to certain films growing up, and fuck you if you don't like the way that has influenced our writing or likes/dislikes or worldview or whatever. Don't like it? There are 5 million other sites that would love to have you and would love to suck out the emotion and personal touches from every review. I'm guessing you'll last about a month reading one of those sites, before you come running back here begging for something resembling humanity. If not, all the better. I'm sick of people wishing failure on movies they haven't seen simply because they don't like the idea of the movie in theory. And if an event like this doesn't tickle your fancy, you probably shouldn't be reading this site either. This is a fantastic line up of films, all being shown on the big screen, and I really wish I could be a part of it.

  • May 28, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST


    by macheesmo3

    It is highly apparent that you have underlying psychological "feminist" issues with people and movies you obviously don't understand. Go to therapy and get that worked out. Besides, there's always Steel Magnolias, Terms of Endearment and Bridesmids! Broads get nice widdle movies too!

  • May 28, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST

    wild guess- one of the movies will actually be super 8...

    by notspock2

    like with "the wrath of khan" a few years ago...

  • May 28, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST


    by macheesmo3

    If you don't like Jaws, Close Encounters, The original Star Wars trilogy , The Raiders films or Schindlers list.... well, wtf kinda movie fan are you? Do you do nothing but sit watching Who Shot Andy Warhol, Taxi Driver and Abel ferrera movies all day or something? Thats sounds horrible.... I hope one day you graduate from college and get over this psuedo-intellectual ranting and start to enjoy life.... cuz it damn sure doesn't sound like you enjoying much right now!

  • May 28, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST

    post 63

    by lv_426

    Suck on it bitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • ...And he is telling an original story, but with the feel of those movies he mentions. Nothing wrong with that, hell Tarantino has yet to establish his own look for his films. Great writer, but as a director he is nothing special, every shot an homage, or dare I say, rip off of a movie that's come before it..

  • ...Did you even read my post fully. I wasn't saying Trek is good because it got good box office figures, that's EXACTLY what I wasn't saying. I said even if you get bums in seats, like Transformers did, it's not going to mean the people that watch it are going to enjoy it. Hell i'm repeating myself, go back and read my post properly, and don't reply until you know what you're replyinh to. By audience reaction I meant how much the people that saw it ENJOYED IT, unlike Transformers 2. Jees, your so eager to disagree with someones point of view you go right in there and do it before you even finishing reading what they were saying

  • ...A big part of Close Encounters is the spectacle, the space ships, the aliens, as central to the story as the Apes in Planet Of The Apes. Bloody hell...

  • May 28, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    And Capone, right on!

    by FreeBeer

  • May 28, 2011, 4:10 p.m. CST


    by Frojitsu

    Genderbender, I wrote that you hate fun. After reading some of your further comments, I realized that was a mistake... another example of reading too much into what what was posted. That said, one could argue that Spielberg and Lucas diminish women's roles in film, but I think at least Marion Ravenwood should be exempt. Maybe Leia, too. I enjoy escapist cinema, which is why I reacted so strongly the first time around. I adore deep, thoughtful cinema, too, and even have a soft spot for Bollywood spectacle. I get where you are coming from, in that we deserve more intellectually stimulating movies. But I will take the fluff here and there because it makes my world a little bit brighter for a couple of hours. As far as women's roles being underwritten- yeah, that's true.

  • ...Planet Of The Apes has a lot to say about a lot of things, I'll give you that, but goe's about delivering it message about as suitably as a kick in the balls. As suitably as Happy Feet addressed our abuse of the environment. A suitably as Crash addressed racism. Encounters is far more subtle, but has just as much to say about the human condition as POTA. Spielberg addresses the grandest of themes with his movie, the whole film being a metaphor for our search for purpose and meaning in this massive, dark, lonely universe of ours. The idea that all religion is based on historical encounters with these alien beings and technology is truly thought provoking, and I walked away from my viewing with far more food for thought than I did after watching POTA. Sure, racism is bad, slavery is bad, but you know what, I knew that already. Sure, at the time this message might have been more controversial, but the fact that Close Encounters' themes and ideas are still as relevant and as philosophically rich today is testiment to its greatness. Close Encounters can stand proud as one of the most intelligent, philosophical, inspiring, and ambitious works of science fiction ever commited to screen, and if you disagree, well, your just bloody wrong then aren't you.

  • May 28, 2011, 5:24 p.m. CST

    I know a guy who loved STAR TREK TOS...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...but will not embrace the films after ST: The Motion Picture. He said that, starting with TWOK, the STAR TREK films had become too easily influenced by "Hollywood." I imagine that sad little men like that will have to keep reading some "real Trek" (*cough cough) novels on their Nooks...since no one cares enough to watch their vision of STAR TREK. Anyway, I am looking forward to this film! I was either not born or too young to have watched most of the 1980s silicon age films (like ET, The Thing, the Goonies, etc..), but I do love the "feelings" that those films produce.

  • May 28, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST

    * HARRY -- how was the score for SUPER 8? ***

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Was it fitting for a film of this caliber?

  • First, I consider very naive and ignorant to judge something or someone, without knowing at least two sides of the issue examined. That said, now, the reason that made the me post here. Here are some first impressions posted by tweeter, from some film critics. Let's see from another angle!!! (Thanks to onifledk, crazy critics, & slashfilm) Early twitter reactions: POSITIVE 18, NEGATIVE 1 POSITIVE Manny Movies: SUPER 8 is funny, spooky, haunting, uplifting...old school filmmaking at its finest...YOU WILL LOVE IT! RowenetReview: Caught an advance screening of SUPER 8 tonight, and I loved it! Check it out when it comes out June 10! Best movie I've seen all year. JakesTakes: Congratulations, JJ Abrams. You just made the best movie of 2011 JennaBusch: Tweet embargo is lifted, so I can finally say it: #Super8 is AMAZING!!!! Nostalgic, action-packed and just damn entertaining! Woot! bradmiska: On a positive note, I can reveal I have seen Super 8 and LOVED it. #super8 treyalexmovies: Super 8 is an adventurous blast! A thriller with a heart and laughs. Abrams and Spielberg are a great team. STYDNews: SUPER 8 seen. Cool monster mash w/terrific ensemble cast. Nostalgia might blind you to its problems. Still, I liked it. Full review to come! JimmytotheO: Super 8 is pure movie magic! Look for our official review @joblocom very soon! Let's just say it is truly spectacular! slashfilm: Loved it, they don’t make these types of movies anymore. The best thing I can say about the film is that I loved the characters/setting/tone so much that I probably would have enjoyed it just as much as a Stand By Me-like coming of age drama without the sci-fi/train crash/action. Its one of those films that feels like it was made just for me. (someone asked if its more E.T. or Cloverfield, I responded: It’s Cloverfield with the characters and setting of E.T. thomasleupp: I'm now authorized to tell you 'Super 8' is terrific: very scary, surprisingly funny, only slightly marred by forced Spielbergian sentiment. lukesingleton: can now say - I saw Super 8 over the weekend, absolutely loved it, lived up to my high expectations. Felt like watching an Amblin classic. Steve Weintraub (Collider): Paramount is now allowing us to say they showed some of us SUPER 8 on Saturday night. It's great. Made me feel like a kid again JRothC (ScreenRant): Was able to see #SUPER 8 this weekend! It was everything I wanted it to be. A coming-of-age sci-fi adventure like the classics I love. Super 8's great for older kids AND grown-ups who long for the classic sci-fi films of the late '70s and '80s. Longer review to come -- but I loved it -- think you will too! Steve Barton (DreadCentral): Saw Super 8. Wow. Just wow. Days later I'm still happy it's like Christmas for monster movie fans! BDK Reviews: Easily the best movie of 2011 so far! Jen Yamato: I enjoyed Super 8&#8242;s Goonies vibe; the kids are great. Has its problems, but none are deal breakers for me…though they will be for others. Meli_Molina: Yeppers, I certainly did like it quite a bunch. stevezaragoza: AMAZING, WONDERFUL, SUPERB, HEARTWARMING, EXCITING, SPECTACULAR! Now who wants to touch me?!

  • ...From now on I'll take any negative comments you guys have about a movie as a recommendation. Thanks in advance for all the good times I'm going to have watching movies you're both too cynical and pretentious to enjoy. Cheers guys!

  • May 28, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    It's a good thing the internet was invented

    by mascan42

    because now people like genderblender have a place to rant about things that would cause people in real life to walk away shaking their heads.

  • May 28, 2011, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay critically acclaimed?

    by imagin78

    When has Michael Bay been acclaimed by the critics? Especially to the level that JJ Abrams was for Star Trek? No Bay film was ever talked about as a best picture contender. Some might have considered Pearl Harbor his shot at it, but once people saw it, most realized it was a Titanic clone... and a poor one at that. I think The Rock got some modest accolades, but Armageddon was lambasted. Hell, Deep Impact was better reviewed in 1998. The most prestigious thing that Bay can claim are the Criterion editions that were made of those two films.

  • May 28, 2011, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Why isn't AICN...

    by SenatorJeffersonSmith

    Taking part in the special "Three Penny Was Here" screenings of Goonies and ET at Lincoln Hall? I mean, I know it's bot the Alamo Drafthouse, but they put on a pretty fun night over there. Plus it's right across from a QDoba burrito place!

  • ... and millions of people were brainwashed into having a hell of a good time at the movie watching Star Trek. I don't know how he thinks Abrams accomplished all this, a a magical medallian perhaps?

  • May 28, 2011, 6:53 p.m. CST

    If Jimmy Stewart were so inept

    by SenatorJeffersonSmith

    at spelling, Mr Smith Goes to Washington never would've happened.

  • May 28, 2011, 6:56 p.m. CST

    The Internet eliminating gender bias...

    by SenatorJeffersonSmith

    Have you actually SEEN the Internet? Sorry, but if anything it promotes misogynists and assholes that hate women.

  • May 28, 2011, 7:15 p.m. CST


    by imagin78

    No, I understand that asimov thinks that critics have some sort of blind devotion to Abrams. However, I was just pointing out the fallacy of his argument that Bay had a similar following in his early career. That is simply not true.

  • May 28, 2011, 8:37 p.m. CST

    genderblender was raised by wolves

    by CountryBoy

    If I remeber correctly, she once posted about how she did all her own cooking and cleaning growing up, no one "took are of" her, and she sees no reason why anyone should love their families. They're just people. If so, it's no wonder why she dislikes the wonder and joy to be found in ET, CE3K, Star Wars, Raiders -- which is on right now! -- and imagines Lucas and Spielberg to "hate women" despite characters like Leia, Marion, Jillian in CE3K, Mary (and for that matter Drew Barrymore) in ET... genderblender has a truly warped view of reality. I don't mean that in an insulting way, but sadly in a clinical way; it's inhuman to be that cold. gb, in all seriousness -- if I indeed remember your post correctly -- you sound like you need therapy of some kind.

  • May 28, 2011, 9:01 p.m. CST

    flubber terrorizes children

    by birdy birdman

    flubber feels awkward

  • May 28, 2011, 10:16 p.m. CST


    by Winston Smith

    For asking why my post was deleted? Is this normal?

  • May 28, 2011, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Abrams Star Trek

    by macheesmo3

    Was a lot of fun. If you disagree for "canon" reasons yer a fucking nerd and need a life , put the remote down and go read something non trek and maybe pick up a hobby or two. If you don't like it for aesthetic reasons... well, I guess yer a bigger snob than I am. Asimov has always sounded like her some sort of personal vendetta against Abrams for some reason... But then again, he's from Portugal(spains napoleonic complex widdle brother) so his opinion is moo.... ;-p

  • May 28, 2011, 10:31 p.m. CST

    her= he has

    by macheesmo3

    nothin against ya asi, but you should really let yer anger go for the star trek movie, it's a cheesy summer action movie, not anything worth getting so enraged about!

  • May 29, 2011, 12:39 a.m. CST

    This is *AICN*, genderblender.

    by Laserbrain

    If you so despise escapist entertainment and the people who enjoy it you might be better off joining some other talkback community. But then you mightn't have such a clear lead in the superiority stakes, eh?

  • May 29, 2011, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Super 8 is a Homo version of Cloverfield

    by Nabster

    It's garbage. And lame, its basically Cloverfield for kids.

  • May 29, 2011, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Let's get this out there

    by Iahael

    OK, whether we like it or not, the comments above have hit us a bit where we live, even the moderate fanboys like myself. Let's get my CV out of the way -- saw the original SW a bazillion times in 77, saw the usual classics in original release, CE3K in 78, Alien, etc. I love these films but I know they are not perfect. One comment -- the earlier stuff, hell, even Star Wars, benefited from an era of gritty realism in film from the 70's, also an era of innovation by people like Scorsese, Coppola, and, yes, Lucas and Spielberg. And, yes, later, as the 80's evolved, we see the summer movie mentality take over (ROTJ, Temple of Doom). Super 8, as usual, I will judge on its own merits; I liked ST 2009 (not perfect either) but, I must admit, the nostalgia is palpable from the Super 8 trailer, and tempting. CE3K is a frickin' masterpiece, a film I appreciate much more now as I've gotten older, as is Raiders. (Yes, its better than Star Wars. How many of us have come to that conclusion?) But, again, it must stand on its own. T.'.

  • May 29, 2011, 1:20 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Because, you know, Mission Impossible 3, Star Trek and Super 8 are on the same cinematic level as The Sugarland Express, Jaws and Close Encounters of the Third Kind...

  • May 29, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST

    The Color Purple

    by imagin78

    So The Color Purple doesn't count? It should also be pointed out that E.T. was written by a woman. The fact is that most people tell stories about what they know. The main problem with Hollywood is the lack of female screenwriters and directors. The best thing you can do is try to become a filmmaker or screenwriter and get more female-based projects off the ground. That doesn't guarantee anything either though. Look at Bridesmaids and The Hangover Part 2 for example. Bridesmaids has received tremendous reviews and is doing pretty well at the box office. However, The Hangover Part 2 has been ripped by critics and will still make more in its' first weekend than Bridesmaids has made in 3 weeks. Why? Men, particularly teenage men, fuel cinema's economy. They go to the movies far more than the average woman. They are also less likely to see a female led picture such as Bridemaids as opposed to women seeing a male led one like The Hangover. These are simple facts. Sad facts, but facts. It doesn't help that the franchises that women seemingly flock to, like Twilight and Sex and the City, are hardly feminist models. Why did Sucker Punch fail? Well, most seemed to think that it just wasn't a very good movie, but that hasn't stopped many other poor films from making a mint. Was the notion that the leads were all-female a turn-off for the average moviegoer? Could be. It is troubling that perhaps the greatest director of strong female characters in genre entertainment is a man - James Cameron. Going on a diatribe attacking Spielberg sounds incredibly petty. He is hardly who I'd call public enemy number one when it comes to female denigration in the movies.

  • May 29, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Genderblender is a fun Nazi...

    by Aaronthenia

    She sounds like she should be teaching the girls of Sparklemotion dance steps. She can keep spouting off her Naomi Weisstein-esque statements but like Freud said sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sexism just like racism won't end until people stop acknowledging it and pulling the race or sex card.

  • May 29, 2011, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Just a question!!!

    by Daniel Dom

    if you already know that this movie will suck... and if you already didn't like how the movie look like...why you are waisting your time in this forum? You need us to agree with you? That's it? Ok, I agree with you... Now, leave!

  • May 29, 2011, 2:29 p.m. CST

    A question to genderblender!!!

    by Daniel Dom

    if you already know that this movie will suck... and if you already didn't like how the movie look like...why you are waisting your time in this forum? You need us to agree with you? That's it? Ok, I agree with you... Now, leave!

  • May 29, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST


    by AssyMuffJizz

    Carry on, sister. Don't let the schoolkids get you down. Remember, everyone accusing you of criticizing a film before it's been released is also praising a film before it's been released (and they're ignoring the historical evidence that Jar Jar is arguably a mediocre writer/director at best). Jar Jar Abrams is simply getting the pre-release love just as Edgar Wright did before SCOTT PILGRIM (a creatively good but not great film which was almost universally despised outside of the geek world), Snyder did before WATCHMEN (a heavily flawed mess with some sublime moments which was almost universally shrugged off outside the geek world), and Vaughn did before KICK ASS (a truly shitty film which was seen for what it was outside the geek community). Jar Jar--more than any of those directors--knows how to pander to the film geek community. He's a salesman more than anything. My estimate on Box Office? 30-40 million dollar first weekend with a huge drop off the following weekend. It'll probably just break 100 million by the time it limps out of theaters. I know there's huge film geek buzz, but I just don't see that buzz mirrored in the real world.

  • Number one assymuffjizz (God, what kind of jackass becomes another talkbacker's groupy, jesus christ.), number one, you're an idiot. Number two, I don't see anyone here praising the film without having seen it, merely saying how they are looking forward to it because of Speilberg's involvement and because it is an homage to films we all grew up loving. Nobody is saying it will be amazing or an instant classic, it could fail, but I'll be there along with the rest of them just to see if it's even half entertaining as the films that inspired it. Attacking the movie with as much venom as has been shown here is just childish and beyond idiotic, and if it does turn out to be great (not saying it will) you're going to have a lot of egg on your face, and I doubt you're going to come back here, hold your hands up and say you were wrong. If I see it, and it is shit, I'll say so, and I won't be embarrassed because I didn't go around saying it's brilliant before I'd actually seen it. Number Two. Scott Pilgrim WAS NOT universally despised outside the geek world, it was one of the most well received and positively reviewed movies of that year, do your homework. Number Three Kick Ass kicked ass, I'm sorry, you're in the minority if you disagree

  • May 29, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST

    And Harry has a right to say he loved it, HE'S SEEN IT

    by FreeBeer

  • May 29, 2011, 5:36 p.m. CST


    by AssyMuffJizz

    Ha. At least my username implies some sardonic, creative thought--unlike, say, "freebeer."

  • May 29, 2011, 5:42 p.m. CST

    and no hard feelings, freebeer...

    by AssyMuffJizz

    Satire is often lost on the young and/or the weak of mind.

  • May 29, 2011, 5:52 p.m. CST

    super 8 may well end up being a good movie

    by AssyMuffJizz

    And I'll gladly admit it if it is. But I won't apologize since I never claimed it would be bad. I simply pointed out that Abrams doesn't have a great track record historically. And, yes, that is my opinion and is, thus, subjective. Freebeer, when you grow up, you may learn that different folks can have a variety of opinions upon a whole host of subjects. Until then, I'd recommend you desist your infantile diatribes and learn from your betters. Have a good one, chief.

  • ...I was just pointing out how ridiculous it is to judge a movie before actually seeing the damn thing. If you watch it and think it's shit that's just fine, but if you haven't seen it yet then I don't understand what the ranting and raving is about. You have the cheek to lecture me about growing up and respecting other people's opinions? Please, you insult everyone here who disagrees with you and jump in to defend the one person here who falls in line with your way of thinking.

  • May 29, 2011, 7:27 p.m. CST

    bashing close encounters?!?

    by mr. smith

    I can barely read some of this shit! Jaws, Close Encounters, and Raiders of the Lost Ark comprise a holy trinity of fundamental movie magic. don't agree? I don't need to know you.

  • May 29, 2011, 7:40 p.m. CST

    mr. smith



  • May 29, 2011, 7:50 p.m. CST


    by CountryBoy

    SPOILERS :) As I recall, Leia sets the whole plot of Star Wars in motion by downloading the Death Star plans into R2D2 and sending that message to Ben. Later, she rescues Luke, Han and Chewie (by the way, I'm sorry , but isn't it hilarious that two adults are arguing about this? Anyway) by blasting her way into that garbage chute. (From which they ALL need to be rescued.) She also kills her share of stormtroopers on the Death Star, aiding in Luke's, Han's and her escape. In Empire, she's captured and imprisoned, but so is everyone but Luke. (I always thought Empire was pretty thin on plot...) In Jedi, she thaws Han out (after boldly threatening her way into Jabba's palace with "a thermal detonator!"), which precipitates the trip to the Sarlaac Pit, where she KILLS JABBA THE HUTT. Later she's part of the strike team to Endor, where, when Han is surrounded by Imperial Scouts, she saves him with a hidden blaster, enabling him to blow the shield generator and get the fighter into the Death Star. That seems like a lot of "moving the plot" to me. As for Raiders, you're right about Marion, but Indy himself is no better. He basically gives the Ark to the Nazi's -- multiple times! -- and ultimately has to be rescued himself. Marion is hardly a wilting rose, who needs the mighty hero to save her; the hero can't even keep track of a crate. I don't remember Close Encounters and ET in enough detail to comment extensively on them; but I don't recall Jillian "standing by her man" especially; she meets Roy en route to Devil's Tower, and has her own mission of finding her son, which she follows unswervingly. What's not to admire? Ditto Mary in ET; she's very much a minor character, but she obviously loves Elliot and is protective of him. I hardly see her as evidence of a "woman hater's club". And Gertie (couldn't recall her name last night) I picture mostly as an image of pure innocent love. Maybe your frigid view of humanity (again, I'm not insulting you, just stating what you said yourself) makes her unlikable to you; to me she's hugely positive. Anyway, you said there was "not one example" in those movies of female characters moving the plot; I disagree. But also, these are SUPPORTING characters. Buffy was the title character of her show; if she didn't move the plot, they would've fired the writers' room. That's not feminism, it's Storytelling 101.

  • May 29, 2011, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Seriously, genderblender?

    by imagin78

    You are starting to become a parody of a feminist as much as you made of the typical geek. All those films you mentioned had female leads. Is there a male led film you like or is that somehow inherently evil? Plus, comparing Jaws victims? There is only one female victim... the first one. Looking for latent misogyny in the death scenes is ridiculous.

  • May 29, 2011, 8:28 p.m. CST


    by one9deuce

    For some reason you seem to think that intellectual movies are better than visceral movies. You're wrong. They both have a place in the cinema. You don't seem to understand why women aren't driving the plot in adventure movies by Lucas and Spielberg. Because women don't do those things in reality. For even mundane things like driving in the snow women defer to men. Sorry you don't like it but it's a stone cold fact. Do you know why the four main characters in STAND BY ME are boys? Because girls wouldn't go on a crazy quest to see a dead body. Do you know why the three main characters in JAWS are men? Because women wouldn't go out into the middle of the ocean to hunt a great white. Are you sensing a trend here? While all wonderful people that I love very much, not once has my wife, my sister, my mother, or any of my female friends ever had a story about some crazy adventure they went on. But me and my friends or cousins have been on plenty of crazy adventures. Do you know what women say when they hear about them? "Guys are so dumb". And they're probably right. If you're a woman that takes charge of a situation and goes on ill advised quests with your friends then good for you, but you are the extremely rare exception and not representative of women. And movies represent the reality.

  • May 29, 2011, 8:43 p.m. CST

    You're right, genderblender.

    by imagin78

    I once saw Jesus in my toast. Must have been true.

  • May 29, 2011, 8:47 p.m. CST

    This being a nerd site, I think it's a given...

    by Winston Smith

    ...that all of us will like most of the 1970s/1980s canon films. HOWEVER, I think everyone's always got ONE that they don't like. For me, the first Star Wars was always boring for me. It happens. I never was into Star Wars until I saw Empire Strikes Back at about age 10, and it's still one of my favorite films of all time. I know a lot of people who aren't huge Close Encounters fans. Hell, I know someone who doesn't like Jaws. Still have yet to meet someone who doesn't like Raiders, but I'm one of the people who had a hard time sitting through the "comedy" scenes of Temple of Doom, and I thought Last Crusade was significantly better. I also think Taxi Driver is on par with anything Spielberg has ever done quality-wise, but it's so different you can't really compare the two. But I've seen Taxi Driver a million times, it's not one of those movies I just "appreciate". In fact, I moved to Chicago partly because of Taxi Driver... I wanted that city life. Chicago, alas, was much cleaner, and the main part of the city was all shut down by 9 pm, but whatever...

  • May 29, 2011, 8:48 p.m. CST


    by one9deuce

    Misogyny? I don't have any dislike of women at all, sorry but you're 100% incorrect. But you clearly have a major problem with men. Which means I can be objective and you.......can't. And the type of "crazy adventures" you assumed I meant are completely inaccurate, I've never done anything like that at all. I pointed out two movies that clearly are things boys or men would do that girls or women wouldn't and you had no rebuttal because there IS no rebuttal. And Harry, nice points about Princess Leia. It's Leia that has the stolen plans, which is what the entire story is about.

  • May 29, 2011, 8:50 p.m. CST


    by Winston Smith

    Really hasn't said anything that outrageous. There's a lot of pathetic anger and hostility on this website. Girls go on crazy adventures just like boys. Just the nature of what counts as "crazy" differs. And some of the best female rolls, like CCH Pounder on The Shield, work because they were originally written for a man, so they aren't written to be "tough female cop." That over compensation bullshit always reeks of fake political correctness rather than genuine character investment.

  • May 29, 2011, 8:53 p.m. CST


    by one9deuce

    I mean nice points countryboy, not Harry.

  • May 29, 2011, 9:24 p.m. CST


    by one9deuce

    You wrote: "Men live in a world teeming with death, rape, violence, and hatred". Yes, we do. The same world that every woman lives in also. By the way, every single movie you listed as your favorites contains at least one or more of those elements. And if "women go on adventures. They're just of the type that males wouldn't understand", why would anyone make a movie about those adventures? Please enlighten us all, what have YOU done personally that would make me believe you would do something heroic? It's not misogyny, I just can't picture a woman getting on a horse, chasing down a Nazi convoy, and taking the truck with the Ark of the Covenant by force. Or wearing Stormtrooper armor and breaking into the prison level of the Death Star to rescue someone. You mention ALIENS, and I think that Ripley is very heroic and every single thing she does is believable, but again, that's the exception.

  • May 29, 2011, 9:31 p.m. CST


    by jackofhearts29

    LOL at your comment about sentimentality. As if movies, including some of the greatest, haven't used the items from that list (LIGHTING, EFFECTS, CHARACTERS, PLOTTING, ACTING, DEPTH, INNOVATION) in combination with sentimentality, or in explicit pursuit of it, 1000's of times. As if you could separate art from emotion, or separate the mechanics of storytelling from the music of the heart.

  • May 29, 2011, 9:34 p.m. CST

    No, genderblender. That's how you interpret it.

    by imagin78

    A quality scene, or film for that matter, can have multiple interpretations. The opening of Jaws is meant to have a visceral impact... which it does. Part of that fact can undoubtedly be attributed to the fact that it happens to a young woman. If the scene had an old fisherman as the victim, it just wouldn't have had the same effect. The audience wouldn't have felt the same level of horror. You were not meant to get off on that moment any more than you were supposed to get off on the rape of Jodie Foster in The Accused. Spielberg has also been criticized for his penchant for placing children in terrible circumstances. The subsequent death in Jaws happens to the Kintner boy. Another gruesome scene. Does that killing - as well as the countless children Spielberg has placed in danger in films like Close Encounters, Temple of Doom, Jurassic Park, War of the Worlds and so on - make him some kind of misopedist? I doubt his kids would agree. Then why does he do it? Simple. It creates a heightened level of fear and tension in the audience. That's why the opening scene has a woman. To read more into that would be akin to seeing things in toast. Now, since you are so quick to label every single man a murdering, raping, labia-fearing cretin. Can you at least slightly acknowledge the apparent misandria in all of your posts.

  • May 29, 2011, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Bitch please? Bit sexist there genderblender

    by FreeBeer

  • May 29, 2011, 9:51 p.m. CST



    I thought that Kintner kid was awful NAMBLA bait

  • ...Now the C word on the other hand...

  • ...It was the death that established the monster, after that it was no longer necessary to take so much time building tension. It was one of the most iconic death scenes ever committed to film. And there was nothing sexual about it, the camera merely lingered to show how vulnerable and clueless to the horror below her the shark's victim was. I suppose you thought the shower death scene in Psycho was also there just to titilate the audience, and had nothing to do with the fact that we feel most vulnerable in this situation, therefore making it more scary

  • ....Very quick I have to admit, very, very wrong indeed, but quick. Nobody who saw that scene, male or female, was scared because they were thinking "Gender! Assault! Rape!" they were frightened because the idea of being attacked in a place where you are at your most vulnerable is truly horrifying. That's what makes it a classic scene. And sure, the motives of the killer might have being "My Penis Is A Knife!", but that's the last thing on the audiences mind. Same thing with the Jaws opening scene, it's shot in such a way as to show how helpless this woman is, how unaware this woman is of the dangers that surround her. It's not shot to titillate.

  • ...Even if it was, that's not what I said, I said it wasn't intended as titillation. You DO know men see a difference between consensual sex and rape don't you? You don't think we get titillation from watching rape scenes, or in this case, crazy guy with knife as dick scenes, don't you? You're selling us short as a gender genderbender, and I think you just might be a little sexist.

  • May 29, 2011, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Oh, man......

    by Yelsaeb

    So much awesome, I can hardly comprehend. Except Scanners. That didn't twiddle my film nerve when I saw it. Which I was, like, eight at the time and I had not yet hatched into a film geek, so please don't egg me.

  • May 29, 2011, 10:43 p.m. CST


    by bruce

    genderblender, just admit you wish you had a dick and move on...

  • May 29, 2011, 10:45 p.m. CST

    My Penis is a Penis; It Only Looks Sharp

    by Tim Hendon

    Movies are shot the way they are shot, you can choose to read whatever you want into them. Intelligent and articulate people with an emotional need to relate may choose to overlay any contextual meaning they wish an then communicate that to others in order to begin a dialogue. It doesn't mean that overlay is 'what it means' rather just 'what it means to you' and that is great. Any attempt to impose your overlay on others I guess could also be seen as wishing to control and dominate, even to penetrate with a psychological phallus, but maybe I am just a total dick. Genderblender I have to congratulate you on dominating this forum with your acidic rants; I imagine you wearing out your keyboard and I hope that you get great joy out of all of the male attention which I can only assume you crave since you do such a great job of commanding it, even if some dorks think you are a man. If you think the attention is just incidental then you are not as sharp as I think you are, but it doesn't matter anyways since I am playing the same attention game, and am not nearly as good at is as you are. Maybe this is not a conscious effort on your part; I think you are as interesting as you are obnoxious. At least you like Thelma and Louise though. Just look at me trying to piggyback on your gathering infamy! Noone is busy trying to counter anything ninthmode says! Maybe if I come in with guns blazing against easy emotional targets (like going onto the AARP talkbacks (not that they exist) and denigrating Matlock or Ben Gay) then I would get all the attention too but I am trying to find a more nuanced and positive way to stimulate intelligent discourse, as opposed to angry intellectual intercourse that comes from giving the finger to cherished films. And of course it is not the films being defended so much as the memories that go with them; an even more potent source of angst when threatened. As for Super 8, I am totally looking forward to it. I look to different movies for all kinds of things, but primarily I look to be entertained, because I live to enjoy life. Are you not entertained?!?! Is this not why you are here?!?!

  • May 29, 2011, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Is that a smile I see genderblender?

    by imagin78

    It is! You do have a sense of humor after all. Now can we all have a big group hug and agree that a Metroid movie would be awesome.

  • May 29, 2011, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Sometimes I fucking hate living in Australia

    by MMacKK

    We are never as lucky to get this kind of amazing marathon of classic movies. Nowhere does it, and arthouse cinemas are dying out. It's my birthday June 1st. This would be an amazing birthday present. Wanna buy me a flight?

  • May 29, 2011, 11:48 p.m. CST

    THAT is your comeback?

    by one9deuce

    Your example of heroics by women is a statue of a woman on a horse and..............METROID?!?! You're kidding. No, you have to be kidding. Some sculpted bronze and a video game? That is pathetic, I couldn't have made you look more futile if I had taken your username over and TRIED to make you look bad. Thank you for saving me the trouble. The one example you make about the female pilots of WW2 doesn't even make sense, because for every one of those brave women there was a hundred brave men. Which is the entire point I and others have been making: It wouldn't be accurate to have a women be the hero the majority of the time in CINEMA because that's now how it is in REALITY. For every 10 links you can give me to something heroic a woman has done I can give you 1000 links to something heroic a man has done. I personally think women are better than men in many many ways, but certainly not when it comes to taking action. It's nothing against women, it's just the way it is. Sorry you don't like it.

  • May 30, 2011, 12:22 a.m. CST


    by moviemo

    The exchange occurring in this talkback is yet another example that blanket generalizations, like "at the end of the day it's just a movie," diminish one of the greatest things about art: its subjectivity. Life has always influenced art, and vice versa. To deny that relationship would be to reject them as part of human culture. Human beings make movies, and no matter how you cut it MOVIES ARE EXPRESSIONS of the human condition, even the ones most detached from humanity. Perhaps there are issues within our current CULTURE that certain individuals may take issue with, and cinema is a very explicit form of expression since it is a visual medium, but like all art forms, it is still open to interpretation. Some works may illicit similar responses from their audiences, but if we ever arrive at a point in our culture where we're dictating that that response is, then we've lost our humanity.

  • May 30, 2011, 12:25 a.m. CST

    make that *what* that response is...

    by moviemo

    where's the nifty edit button?

  • May 30, 2011, 12:40 a.m. CST


    by Quint

    Not to shake the beehive here, but as someone who has obsessed over Jaws since early childhood I would contend absolutely that if you interpret the opening attack as sexually charged then you have to lay that on the Kitner boy's death as well. That leering footage of Kitner isn't drastically shorter... in fact, if you factor in the shark's POV of the other children's legs it goes on LONGER than the Chrissy attack. I can play the "interpret everything sexually game" too. If you want to you can view that as the shark representing a pedophile, taking his pick of the children, slowly moving in and taking him, essentially ending his childhood. Hell, there's even a geyser of blood. You can make anything sexual if that's what you're obsessed with seeing in everything and that seems to be what your bag is. Nothing wrong with it, I just ask that you be consistent. If you interpret the shark attacks as a metaphor for being a sexual predator then apply that to similar scenes. The Kitner attack and Chrissy attack are shot very similarly, unlike any other shark attack in the movie. The guy that gets his leg bitten off isn't shot like that, nor is Quint's death, so you can't say that the Chrissy attack means rape and the Alex Kitner attack does not.

  • May 30, 2011, 2:46 a.m. CST

    SUPER 8 is bullshit...

    by TopHat

    ...know why? Because the kids don't do it by themselves. The Spielberg movies of the seventies and eighties had the kids/leads be able to do things by themselves. They didn't need their parents/government/police etc. help them with exposition. Neary didn't NEED the governent to help him figure out what he kept seeing in his mind in CLOSE ENCOUNTERS, he did it by himself. He and the single mother figured out what they were supposed to by themselves and then figured out how to get to the mountain by themselves. Truffaut didn't even tell them anything or help them get off the helicopter. They could do it themselves. In E.T. Elliott's mom doesn't help him, his sister, or his brother with anything. The government/police don't help them figure out anything (in fact they're literally running away from them at the end). Even Peter Coyote's character doesn't help them; they help HIM figure out what's happening. Mikey in THE GOONIES finds a treasure map, his dad is actually a person who's job is to figure out maps, BUT, he and the rest of the kids don't need him to figure out what the map means, they do it by themselves. BACK TO THE FUTURE; Marty doesn't need Doc helping him with every single thing that happens. He actually helps HIM with things, even though Doc obviously knows more about time travel and all the science behind it. SUPER 8 is a movie where the kids can't do anything by themselves instead of getting help from a "grown-up": Her dad (who just happens to be a sheriff), the military, etc. If this movie was made in the seventies, the teenagers wouldn't need anyone's help AT ALL. The Sheriff/Daddy character's screen time would only equal about two minutes and the military would be an ANNOYANCE that's probably chasing them and trying to throw them in jail. (to the KIDS, not the sheriff) The reason why movies today don't compare to those that this film is supposedly paying homage to is because the characters today CAN'T-DO-ANYTHING-BY-THEMSELVES. They need the military to rush in with guns and save the day, or the police or government guy to give them the proper back story to help them figure out what's happening, or the kids need their parents to come to the rescue, etc. If CLOSE ENCOUNTERS were made today, Neary would need Truffaut to figure out everything then tell HIM what's going on and help HIM get to the mountain. And Neary wouldn't leave his family. That would take more balls than any film maker in Hollywood has right now, even Spielberg. If E.T. was made today, Elliott's mom would help the kids do everything. Or, there would be a policeman character who just happens to live in the neighborhood, and he finds out what they're doing and helps them keep it from the police and government. Probably even helping them in the chase at the end. And Peter Coyote's character would know more about E.T. and his race and fill in Elliott on everything that's happening and help him and the kids get to the spaceship meeting point at the end. Oh, and the kids would be wearing fucking helmets. If THE GOONIES was made today, Mikey would enlist the help of his dad to figure out the map, and the other kids would call their parents to let them know where they were and get their help at the end. BACK TO THE FUTURE would have Doc helping out Marty with everything and Marty would be a rapper. SUPER 8 is just another bullshit movie with NOTHING of what made the movies I grew up with great. But, since it SAYS it does in the pubilicist hand outs, the geeks will repeat, obediently.

  • May 30, 2011, 3 a.m. CST

    Genderblender = Ignorant

    by one9deuce

    The Chrissy attack is longer because it's the opening scene and if she had just been dragged under the water instantly it wouldn't have been nearly as effective. It's so effective because you think she might survive and then.......gone. The Kitner boy was a quick attack because Spielberg wanted his dolly counter zoom reaction shot of Chief Brody. Have you heard of Occam's Razor? That can certainly be applied to movies. You on the other hand are bringing things to a scene that the writer nor the director intended in any way. Spielberg's motivation behind both of those scenes: scare the audience as effectively as possible. Yeah, it's that straight forward.

  • May 30, 2011, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Abrams in yesterday's Sunday NY Times Magazine.

    by Orbots Commander

    It's in the issue with the two conjoined twins' heads on the cover (shudder). Anyway, the article on Abrams was largely a puff profile piece to promote Super 8, but interesting nonetheless.

  • ....Your sexist and you outrage and disgust me, I'm no longer going to give you the time of day

  • May 30, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Is it just me or does anyone find genderblender

    by Strangechange

    Really really attractive?!?!?! Like seriously seeing a woman that passionate about the female story and how it's portrayed on film. Seriously gets me all goggle eyed. If only More women knew their worth and actually said something about it. Don't agree with everything she said regarding film but man!!!! U go girl. Just so u know I'm a guy, I love film and feel yeah we do need a stronger female stories o be told. And I think it can ve better than Buffy.

  • May 30, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST

    GENDER... Jurassic Park!

    by darshn22

    You keep mentioning Jaws... How about Jurassic Park??? Laura Dern's character was incredibly strong. She didn't need to be saved. She constantly put herself in harms way to save everyone else and survived... Your stereotype of all of the geeks out there was hilarious by how cliche it is... Thats all...

  • May 30, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Yep, pretty sad there Ken, pretty, pretty sad

    by FreeBeer

  • May 30, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Oh and I forgot

    by darshn22

    In Jurassic Park, all victims were male, weren't they?

  • May 30, 2011, 10:55 a.m. CST


    by darshn22

    Did you watch any more than the first 10 minutes??

  • May 30, 2011, 11:01 a.m. CST


    by cymbalta4thedevil

    I think genderblender would agree with me that Spielberg not wanting to eat Bertinelli's tomatoes was less a metaphor for "he had a really small penis" then "he didn't want to go down on me as often as I would like." But then again, sometimes something that's red and ripe and wet and juicy is just a tomato.

  • May 30, 2011, 11:01 a.m. CST


    by darshn22

    What about Hamid's granddaughter? Laura Dern's character saved them all by getting the power back on and the granddaughter was some hacker that got the system up and running... The female characters saved the day...

  • May 30, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST


    by Strangechange

    Not trying to get her in the sack. Jut trying to encourage her. Geez man not everything's about sex an I have a wife and son. Grow up mate.

  • May 30, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST


    by darshn22

    Turning on the power that got 2 guys killed... and she hacked a computer that no one else knew how to do... Not exactly secretarial work... Allan's the main character but all I'm saying is the female characters in Jurassic Park were far from how Gender is describing...

  • May 30, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST

    If women who know they're worth will kick me in the nutz for saying

    by Strangechange

    What they're doin is attractive and admirable Ive tottally missed the point of what they're standing for. Anyways I think it's just cool that someone has an interesting take on how movies portray women. Thanks for the.... Feedback lol

  • May 30, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST

    of all the trolls I've met in my travels...

    by AssyMuffJizz

    Faulkner was the least...[choke] human.

  • May 30, 2011, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Btw did gender actually say she was a feminist?

    by Strangechange

    Cause she could jut be a vocal female which u guys just labeled feminist? I Could be wriog maybe she said so in her talkback but I never saw it as that.

  • May 30, 2011, 11:23 a.m. CST

    If "Super 8" gets a PG in the UK....

    by ChickenStu

    Then I am taking my four year old daughter to watch it. She loved "E.T", and "Close Encounters" and I get the feeling that this new movie is going for that kind of 70's/80's magic Spielberg vibe... The kind of films I've taken her to see are things like "Ice Age 3", "Toy Story 3", "How To Train Your Dragon" and "Tangled". Whilst there's nothing wrong with those - I want her to see something that's like the stuff me and my generation saw as kids... I sure hope "Super 8" can be that movie...

  • May 30, 2011, 11:26 a.m. CST

    No, she said so Ken my friend

    by FreeBeer

  • May 30, 2011, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Suspicion confirmed

    by JackSmack

    "We actually had reactions on a genetic level to certain films growing up, and fuck you if you don't like the way that has influenced our writing or likes/dislikes or worldview or whatever. " I never really thought Capone was a shithead until now.

  • ha ha, yeah, you missed the point Ken, they didn't fight for equal rights just so men would find them attractive and go google eyed

  • May 30, 2011, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Man, I gotta go read up on this.

    by Strangechange

    I always thought I married a feminist but my wife could just be a vocal female cause she's never kicked me in the nutz lol. U guys can have a field day with that comment. Lookin forward to super 8!!!!

  • May 30, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST


    by cymbalta4thedevil

    I would argue that while both Hitchcock and Spielberg want us to be titillated or aroused by the nude women, they also want the violence that ensues to shock us and make us uncomfortable. And ultimately question our own darker impulses. Hitchcock structures PSYCHO to subvert our expectations and get us to identify with Norman Bates. But that's not the same as encouraging the men in the audience to become Norman Bates. Who would want to be Norman Bates? Hitchcock doesn't encourage men to be rapists or psychopaths. Most men would like to have sex with 60's era Janet Leigh or at least see her naked in the shower. Most men would not want to rape and/or murder her while wearing their mother's dress. And 70/80's era manchild Spielberg is almost bereft of sexual impulses onscreen. If his pal Brian DePalma had directed that scene you might have more psychological ammo to play with. Saying Spielberg was still a little boy who didn't deal with women well in his films is one thing. Saying he staged a shark attack to give the men in the audience a hard on is another. You see what you want to see.

  • May 30, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST

    And you sound like a Monty Python bit.

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    "Well we have Rape, Rape, Rape, Eggs Sausage and Rape." " I Don't like Rape!"

  • May 30, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Poor Genderblender

    by one9deuce

    If you're going to shit on some of the great film classics of all-time, don't do it in a place where there is a large group of experts on those films that LOVE those films and can easily refute your flawed critiques. I'm sure on a feminist website no one does anything but agree with you, but here we know those films better than you. Period. The following is off topic from movies but on topic to what genderblender keeps bringing up: Since you admitted you were a feminist I would like to point out what the feminist movement has accomplished for women: hardship. Women in the 50's and 60's enjoyed the most easy living in the history of humankind. They could stay home and raise their kids and the husband could make enough to support the whole family. But the feminist movement somehow thought there was a vast conspiracy by men to keep women barefoot and pregnant, so you fought for ALL women to go to work. So women went to work, and household incomes increased, and the economy naturally balanced itself by everything going up in price: houses, cars, food, gas, EVERYTHING. And then lo and behold women realized that they actually wanted to stay home and raise their children. Unfortunately now they can't do that, because it takes two incomes to buy a house, two cars, and pay the bills. But the worst part of your dumb movement is that daycare costs nearly as much as that second household income. So now women HAVE to work 40 hours a week for what generally amounts to a few hundred dollars more than the daycare costs. So they have to work their asses off for a few hundred dollars a month, and STILL do all the things they were doing before they added a 40 hour a week job. Nothing has really changed for men, we still work a job like we always did. Every single woman I know, every female co-worker, every female friend, every female relative, wishes they didn't have to work and had the option to stay home with the kids. But, they can't. You see, women worked before the feminist movement, but now they all absolutely have to work. Congratulations on making women's lives harder!

  • May 30, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Wow, I don't know how this turned into a giant feminism argument

    by Winston Smith

    But... all any equality movement should be about is the right to choose. If a woman wants to stay home and raise her kids, she should have that choice. If she wants to work, she should have that choice. Same for a man. If a man wants to stay home and raise his kids, while the wife goes out and brings in the money so to speak, he should be allowed to do so. People should have the right to do whatever they want without government interference, and ideally without social interference. one9deuce, as much as I think you make the mistake of thinking there wasn't "sexism" back in the day (i.e. a belief that women weren't as good as men in the workplace; even now, men more often than not reach the highest positions of power if you look at it as a numbers game, and back in the 50s it was like 100 to 1 odds), you do make some good points. To believe that women MUST act as men is awful, and completely contrary to a true equality movement. I know one girl, who is actually dead now from an abusive boyfriend, who often said all she wanted was to have kids and raise them. And everyone put pressure, "you need to be something special and do this and that with your career". She literally was looked down upon because her ambitions were kids, and not career. That's "feminism" going the wrong direction. But technically by definition, something like feminism is simply about equality, and equality is always about the ability to choose. You don't NEED to live this way, but if you want, the choice is yours. Of course, we still live in a very male dominated society, just as America is a very white (and now hispanic) dominated society. And the fringe groups now asking for certain things also miss the target and anger the dominant white people who feel their own "rights" are being infringed on. So it's just a big circle jerk of everyone wanting to believe they're being oppressed. God... politics.

  • May 30, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Oh and now that I've read a little more

    by Winston Smith

    Jaws in not sexist. Jesus. There's so many sexist classic films out there to take your pick from (pretty much all of Hitchcock's stuff... it's brilliant, but yes it is of the time it was made), but not Jaws. Just because something is dated or "sexist" or "racist" doesn't automatically make it bad or worthless. But still, Jaws really isn't, at all, and especially not for the opening scene. Aye aye aye. Sounds like people who bitched there are no female characters in Lawrence of Arabia. SEXIST!

  • May 30, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Wee Willy Faulkner

    by AssyMuffJizz

    "Most feminists are usually ugly chicks who are mad that they can't get ahead in the world using their looks, and they are bitter that they can't find a good man to rescue them." LOL! Man, these clueless, sanctimonious pearls of misogyny are just sheer comedy gold. Willy, I can only conclude that you are an obsessive, embittered, undoubtedly porcine nerd with a teeny pecker. I don't care if it's an act or not. It's fucking hi-LARIOUS. Encore, encore!

  • May 30, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Wow, classy

    by riggs_and_murtaghs_love_child

    May 30, 2011 11:49:35 AM CDT's what's for dinner by william_faulkner Gimme a rape to go and a side order of molestation. Reply to Talkback What other crimes do you think make funny jokes?

  • May 30, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST


    by AssyMuffJizz

    I'm pretty sure LAWRENCE OF ARABIA was about an angry, closeted gay man. Hey, Willy F. You've got firsthand experience with that particular predicament. Is it true?

  • May 30, 2011, 3:32 p.m. CST

    AICN aka The He-Man Woman Haters Club

    by F-18

  • May 30, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    melonman - I'm not really afraid of that...

    by ChickenStu

    I've shown her "Jurassic Park" and she was OK with that. Cause of the kinds of things I've shown her I think psychologically she'll be able to deal with anything in "Super 8". If it's a 12A, I won't take her. If it's a PG - I will. It depends on the rating... Thanks for your concern though! :-)

  • May 30, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST


    by F-18

    I wasn't addressing you specifically. I was referring to what seems to be a hostile reaction to a talkbacker because she's female.

  • May 30, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Harry, have you emailed attendees?

    by Wizejoker

    Just trying to see whether I'll need to be free that day or not.

  • May 30, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST

    "huge film lovers that respect these sorts of events"

    by Subtitles_Off

    You mean...the kids who constantly got picked last for recess. SLUMBER PARTY MASSACRE. That's a film that inspired Li'l Vah-J.J. to be film-maker? What did I expect? FITZCARRALDO?

  • May 30, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    "wtf kinda movie fan are you?"

    by Subtitles_Off

    Oh, I dunno. One that has seen hundreds of films in just the past two years. One that isn't stuck in a blockbuster rut. One that would like to massage his eyes with something different rather than look at the latest regurgitation of something old. One that has developed a taste different than yours. One who has meaningful experiences other than Big Dumb Fun. One who has never wasted his time to watch SLUMBER PARTY MASSACRE. One who thinks only JAWS is worth another view, of the Spielberg movies you mentioned. One whose life was not changed by STAR WARS. One that would rather watch movies with Genderblender than compare penis size with you little kids. One who doesn't blame Spielberg or Lucas for killing film. One who places the blame squarely where it belongs: The shoulders of Generation Dumbass and their malformed entertainment interests. That's the kind of film fan I am. Now tell me how I hate good stuff. How I'm unhappy and miserable and must have no cool friends. Effin' Blockbuster Nazis.

  • May 30, 2011, 5:11 p.m. CST



    but if you are sitting there writing a screenplay, trying to dream up the perfect opening for Jaws, who are you going to put in that scene, some dude, a kid, or a hot woman who will add sex appeal and more excitement for the male viewers?

  • May 30, 2011, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Look at all the phony douchebags

    by Bobo_Vision

    Hey, genderblender, what are some of your other AICN names? Did you suddenly happen upon AICN, and you're just an innocent knave unaware of how talkbacks work....or a long-time user who suddenly sprouted a vagina? <p> So you troll a talkback voicing your disdain for Spielberg and Jaws, amongst other things, and how the opening scene represents the rape of woman for the enjoyment of men...and you want us to believe you're shocked by the response? And the response is wearing out your delicate feminine sensibilities? <p> Listen, toots, you opened a can of worms with your trolling, and if you're too weak and delicate to address the response, then you're confirming the negative stereotype of women....guess the compliments on your appearance made you lose your focus there, huh? <p> And these other morons suddenly playing hero and acting chivalrous because genderblender claims to have a vagina (LOL) you guys are the biggest fucking tools in this talkback.

  • May 30, 2011, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Actually, bobo_vision, as far as "tools" go,

    by Subtitles_Off

    I'm just a little Swiss Army pocket knife compared to you, jackass. You're the sledgehammer. Congrats on that.

  • Maybe he'll let you jack him off. Loser.

  • May 30, 2011, 6:09 p.m. CST


    by cymbalta4thedevil

    The problem is the satirical nature of many AICN "identities" and the contrarian nature of many "trolls" make it difficult for us to interpret your posts properly. Are you creating a nuanced parody of bad feminist film criticism or are you really just a bad feminist film critic? Would a real feminist film critic cite The Sound of Music as an example of a real woman being a real woman? Wouldn't the racist caricature in Breakfast at Tiffany's bother a real feminist film critic? And the "rape, rape, rape" thing? That's the problem with all male/ female interaction. It's just rape rape rape all the time. That sort of hyperbole doesn't support the seriousness of your case, if you are in fact trying to make one.

  • ...Bryan Singer supposedly did his senior dissertation on it. I think it has to do mostly with the dialogue: Girl in water: "Help! HELP!" Guy on beach: "I'm coming" "I'm coming" Girl gets jerked around before finally going under. Guy lays on beach, passed out.

  • May 30, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Genderblender = poor reading skills (male or female)

    by one9deuce

    Your last post states that I'm among those "spewing anti-female venom". OK, prove it. Copy and paste one anti-female thing I said in this talkback. Try not to confuse anti-feminist with anti-female. After dealing with you I'm starting to be the former, but I've never or ever will be the latter.

  • May 30, 2011, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Someone's bashing Close Encounters?

    by D.Vader


  • And how its a metaphor for date-rape. That's what I've heard. And that being said, I don't think anyone "enjoys" watching the girl get killed at the beginning of JAWS. There's nothing pretty or fun about it.

  • May 30, 2011, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Ah damn you tophat

    by D.Vader

    You beat me to it.

  • May 30, 2011, 7 p.m. CST

    bobo_vision, don't mind subtitles_off

    by ATrue

    he's a very specific kind of talkacker, possibly unique. You see, he doesn't like a single movie this site usually covers. What he does like to do is watch old and/or foreign movies while masturbating. But here's the unique part--he isn't really masturbating to the classy bit of foreign cinema he's watching. What's on screen is secondary. He's really touching himself to the thought of you watching Star Wars or something silly like that while he watches a Great Film. The key to the pleasure is him having a Meaningful Experience while imagining you (and the rest of Generation Dumbass) doing something degraded. After, he licks his own semen, to see if it tastes as excellent as his taste in cinema.

  • May 30, 2011, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Aw, poor widdle ninja got a boo-boo.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Doesn't even know how seriously effed-up he is, admitting he concerns himself with the masturbatory practices of other men.

  • May 30, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST

    all of a sudden I kind of do thing genderblender is a man

    by CountryBoy

    No one could REALLY believe all that stuff... all men want to do is "rape, rape, rape"? We shouldn't love our families 'cause they're just people we happen to live with? Guys think "beating up hookers" is an adventure? Let alone the "There are NO women driving the plot in ANY Lucas/Spielberg movies," which anyone can (and I did) instantly refute? Come on, he's conning us. He's parodying feminism for his own amusement. I mean seriously, if anyone has that acid a view of humanity, she really, really, really needs mountains of psychological help. I think we've all been had.

  • May 30, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST

    duh, "think" not "thing"

    by CountryBoy

    You can never proofread enough...

  • May 30, 2011, 8:37 p.m. CST

    wee willy faulkner

    by AssyMuffJizz

    Oh, I'm openly and happily queer, sweetheart. And I can smell a closet case a mile off! I reckon you keep it on the geek downlow. But keep up the good sexist, homophobic work. Hey, can think you can manage to be racist in your next reply! Me and the guys have a bet going. Don't disappoint! Thanks, honey bunch!

  • May 30, 2011, 8:52 p.m. CST

    rape does not exist in this Dojo

    by AssyMuffJizz

    Apologies to that Cobra Commander fellow.

  • May 30, 2011, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Not having a woman be the driving force of your plot...

    by D.Vader

    Does not mean the filmmaker is sexist. That's a specious argument.

  • May 30, 2011, 9:22 p.m. CST

    "See any beer commercial"

    by D.Vader

    Yes, obvious trolling now. As if the "That's why these movies ruin cinema," comment wasn't evidence enough.

  • May 30, 2011, 9:33 p.m. CST

    This talkback is absolutely priceless....

    by kermit_the_fraud

    and a prime example of why I frequent this site. Someone throws that bait in, and so many can't help but bite. Good times. genderblender....your name wouldn't happen to be Antwon Dodson, would it? Hide ya wife, hide ya kids.....oh, and hide ya husbands too, 'cause they rapin' eveybody up in here!!

  • May 30, 2011, 9:55 p.m. CST

    One example

    by D.Vader

    Certainly not "any beer commercial." Argue better.

  • May 30, 2011, 10 p.m. CST

    Why is Genderblender getting such insane and angry responses?

    by Winston Smith

    I agree, seems like throwing red meat to a hungry wolf. The people going on and on about Genderblender look the worst. Either they come off as angry teenagers without a girlfriend being baited by a "troll," or they come off as desperate and angry teenagers who don't know when to just say, "not worth my time." Clearly when you agree with someone so much, either throwing insults around or making fun of them isn't going to change anything. So why waste your breath? Why do you guys care SO much? Red meat thrown, indeed. Gobble, gobble, gobble, more please.

  • May 30, 2011, 10:09 p.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    Not a SINGLE ad backed up your point about "any beer commercial" being about rape culture and high fives. Go figure. Just a lot of hot air.

  • May 30, 2011, 10:11 p.m. CST

    I'm glad genderblender didn't direct Jaws.

    by Happyfat73

    Not because I'm a man, and we're all just rapists at heart.... because she has mistaken Spielberg's classically simple cinematic techniques of raising tension as being something implicitly sexual.</p> </p> I'd suggest this is just the prism through which genderblender views the world.</p> </p> In cinematic vocabulary, Tension = Danger + Time. The Chrissy attack is a classic example of this axiom. The lingering camera from the predator's perspective is required to A) let the audience know that danger is present (you know, for tension) and B) we can't show the shark in the opening scene. </p> </p> To suggest that the gasp and the blood in the water are indicative of intrinsic rape fantasies in the male audience is quite simply ludicrous. I'm afraid that if this scene were filled to meet genderblender's ideals of feminist filmmaking, then the scene would have been devoid of any kind of tension and Jaws would not be the masterclass in filmmaking that it is.</p> </p> I'm sorry, genderblender, I'm sure you're a really nice person, but you're reading waaay too much into that opening scene of Jaws. Hey, happens - it's confirmation bias - we see what we want to see. But, I dare say the filmmakers intentions were not subliminal rape fantasies, but simply to create a suitably tense scene of the ultimate apex predator.

  • May 30, 2011, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Alamo Drafthouse... finally saw FOUR LIONS this weekend

    by MooseMalloy

    Never have I experienced such mirth mixed with tension filled dread. This movie is a few notches away from being a masterpiece. If it had not been written and directed by White Englishmen it would have more people up-in-arms than A SERBIAN FILM.

  • May 30, 2011, 10:51 p.m. CST


    by cymbalta4thedevil

    The problem is: rape is too serious a subject for the hyperbole you're using. You said "any beer commercial." It would be like watching a few Peckinpah westerns and then saying "All the women in westerns are whores. Just look at any western."

  • May 30, 2011, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Genderblender is 16

    by Roger Moon

    Teenaged girls hang out in their Mom's basements too. Well done gb. You're ignorant as all hell but you're passionate. Once you get an education and some experience under your belt you're going to be one hell of a movie buff.

  • May 30, 2011, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Again, like I said, "argue better"

    by D.Vader

    You went from talking about any beer commercial showing rape as being "a high-five kind of affair, like a joke, like a conquest, like a victory," to saying its just "how you define it". And then you say its just assaultive to *you* in message and imagery, which says nothing about rape and all about your perceptions. Just a bunch of hot air to gain attention.

  • May 30, 2011, 10:57 p.m. CST

    "Thee" John Carpenter?

    by MooseMalloy

  • May 30, 2011, 11:03 p.m. CST


    by cymbalta4thedevil

    That's the problem with feminist criticism. It reduces everything to the "male gaze" so that a Rubens nude or a Fellini film is the same thing as SCREW magazine or a snuff film.

  • May 30, 2011, 11:04 p.m. CST

    #44 = John Carpenter

    by Ed Travis

    This is my first ever AICN post, but I had to chime in being that I got in to the event and I saw #44 on the list. Will I be seeing John Carpenter? Harry, you have to let a brother know!!!

  • May 30, 2011, 11:09 p.m. CST

    The pleasant thing about...

    by Lobanhaki2

    ...the diversity of movies on the market now, and the ability to access them, is that you have the privilege like no other generation has to simply enjoy what you love, and say "fuck it, it's trash" to everything else. Same thing for websites. Anybody who comes here and whines and moans that Harry and the other folks on his crew aren't these hyperobjective, impersonal aesthetes really misses the point. These people are personal and passionate about movies. They've got this site to themselves, and they have their special relationships with some of the best and most popular filmmakers of today. If you're coming here looking here for something else, don't find it, and decide to beat up Harry and the others in the talkbacks, rather than moving on and finding your own damn site that you like, you've only got yourself to blame if you're so damn miserable here. Let Harry Knowles, et al. have their fun, and go have your fun where you want to have it, with who you want to have it with. I mean, really, if people just let the bad films slide like water off a ducks back, they'd be happier. Instead, people convinced themselves they've got to bully filmmakers or their supporters into adopting their opinion. Accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative. That simple.

  • May 30, 2011, 11:16 p.m. CST


    by Candice

    You little trolls come on this site and talk shit about Harry and how he reviews and the events that he brings to our wonderful city. However, there are at least 12 advertisers on this site and Harry makes his money based on the traffic this site gets and the number of people who see these ads. So, come one and come all to the hatefest! You're paying for his next Disneyland trip with his wife. Thanks for putting my husband and I on the list, Harry. We really appreciate it!

  • May 30, 2011, 11:25 p.m. CST

    This talkback has raped my eyeballs.

    by kermit_the_fraud

    I didn't agree that this talkback about a movie marathon should turn into a feminist dissertation about the male-dominated motion picture industry!

  • May 31, 2011, 12:04 a.m. CST


    by cymbalta4thedevil

    What your stepfather did to you is horrible and I'm glad he's in jail. But rape is an act of violence and depravity. If a 70 year old woman in a bathrobe is raped by a burglar, what does that have to do with beer commercials? Some men get raped in prison. Are there examples of men high fiving each other as they objectify other men before engaging in male anal rape in pop culture that you can point to as a contributing factor? It's ludicrous. School shootings keep happening. Is there a "school shooting culture"? You throw around terms like "rape culture" as if it were something we all agreed on. What happened to you is awful. It's awful when it happens to anyone. But your stepfather is to blame. Not the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue. Sociopaths have no empathy for anyone, not just women. And sexual assault as a means of humiliation or degradation is not limited to women. But I'm tired and this is way too complex a subject for an AICN talkback after midnight.

  • May 31, 2011, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Labyrinth is great as well.

    by imagin78

    Miss Jim Henson. Hopefully the new Muppets film can herald a second wave of new movies like The Dark Crystal.

  • May 31, 2011, 12:16 a.m. CST

    I feel like I should add something


    That guiness commercial was disturbing and hillarious!

  • May 31, 2011, 12:41 a.m. CST


    by guitar_dudester91

    You are a good example of why men wouldn't let women get the vote, or why they shouldn't be allowed to do anything other than sperad their legs when its time and cook the meals. Fuck you, and leave these guys along. Pathetic.

  • May 31, 2011, 3:44 a.m. CST

    The number 16 and 17 guys must be brazilians

    by AsimovLives

    Specially number 16, because only the brazilians use the old form of the name "Luiz", while the portugueses use the newer version of the name, "Luis". Go, Brasil!

  • If we are going to speak about talented filmmakers, we might as wlel talk about Duncan Jones, instead of that fraud called JJ Abrams.

  • I haven't seen the film in awhile, so I could be wrong, but I actually thought that was one of the reasons that movie is actually so good. It's seen as some fluffy disco movie but it's really the exact opposite. It's a dark, dark movie about the inevitability of youth aging and the culture you grow up in eventually changing. I mean, it literally foretold the death of disco back when disco was popular, it's ABOUT how disco culture won't last forever, and neither does youth. The rape, and "suicide," it's not meant to be taken lightly. It's kind of an anti-Grease, a dark film about the shit that happens in the name of "fun" and living it up. Won't last forever... and people fuck up in major ways hoping it will.

  • May 31, 2011, 5:43 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I have read some of your earlier posts above, and allow me to coment on some subjects you raised: I know there's a pretty bad stereotype going on about the geekry. I'm certain some of that is due to the geekry themselves. I think most geeks just wear the cloths (literally and figuratively) they think they have to wear, so belong to the geekry community. Basically, they are wearing the geek hat because it's what they think they have to have a sens eof belonging. A sense of belonging is a strong feeling that the vast majority of humans feel and which are inherent in us. There's truly very few hermits in real life. This sense of belonging, which is also very strong in the geekry, can be seen quite well in here at AICN, and it's exemplied by the dogmas that people sport in here, some of them accepted without questioning. Such dogmas as "Wrath Of Khan is the best Star Trek movie ever made", the odd/even numbered Star Trek movies stuff, that Empire Strokes Back is one of the best movie ever made and the absolute template for sequels to follow, that "dumb is fun", etc, etc, etc... Geeks want to belong. Such places like AICN give them a place to belong, it fills asense of belonging. Not all of us here are a personication of the stereotype, thankfully. Some of us bathe every day, some of us have real jobs who are instrumental to our society (i'm a court clerk), some of us are not americans (I'm Portuguese myself), some of us do not spend most of our earnings on toys, and some of us are not obsessed with action movies of the Michael Bay variety and defend them like life itself. And some of us are not slaves to the dictates of JJ Abrams. Some of us are even suspicious of filmmakers like him, talkers who talk the talk but don't walk the walk. Personally, i prefer a filmaker like Christophe rNolan who doesn't talk much but he walks a mean walk. Or more moderate talkers like Duncan Jones don't bluster all his ego in self-promotion and who mannages to ballance the talk with the walk. One funny thing accusation i see thrown about the geeks is that if you are still living with your parents at age 20 year are automatically a loser. But that's an americna and north european cultural thing. In south of europe and in the mediterranean area, it's not at all uncommon to see people well into their adult years still living with their parents. It's a mark of their culture, and something left from the ancient romans, a whole family dynamic that differs form that done in the more northern european cultures, of which the americanculture shares most of it. Speaking for myself: - I do count myself as a geek. Because there's stuff i like and as i am that defines me as one such. My love for genre movies. Most of the movies i love the most fall into the so-called genre classification. But in the midst of my geekdom, i'm a bit atypical. I don't rate Empire Strikes Back or any SW movie or Jaws as the best movie ever made. No, i rate CITIZEN KANE as the best movie ever made, and any other claim is absurd for me. - I'm a geek because i love SF. But my references are not SW. It's Blade Runner, it's 2001: A Space Oddyssey, it's THX 1138, it's the books of Philip K. Dick, Isaac Asimov, Arthur C. Clarke, Frederik Pohl, it's astronomy, it's Carl Sagan and his TV show COSMOS. For me, SF is an extention of the world not it's replacement, no matter how outlandish the story might be. for me, astronomy and Sf are almost inseperable, and i dream of the day when some filmmaker will make another 2001: A Space Oddyssey, another space movie which is as relentlessly dedicated to scientifical accuracy as 2001 was. As for the portait of women in most genre movies, namely SF and horror, yes, mostly it's an unfortunate. but ironically, you will see that in many gerne movies there's mroe portait of strong willed women then was the case in mainsteam movies. Take, for instant, the original THE MUMMY made in 1932. The ending might suprise you. Or Carpenter's Hallowene, in which he stated that the final girl's virginity wa snot intentional but merely a reflection of her more brainy nature, who unlike her girl pals, she didn't fuck around because he was chosier with her partners (and her painful shyness also helped). The final girls in some slasher movies do work as subvertions of the typical horror female victim, and in some movies deliberatly so, like the excelent norwegian slasher COLD PREY. In fact, in that film, the final girl is not the virgin. Spielberg certainly has a bit of a poor record in presenting women onscreen. He himself has comented on that, much to his own shame. But he knows it, and he has compensated it from time to time. Like many filmmakers who ar emales, he has concentated on the guys and not the girls on his movies. Like many filmmakers like him, he's a nerd who had unfortunate few experience with the female side of humanity when he made his classics. He makes movies about stuff he knows, and he used to know betteer the guys and the stuff that most guys like at a time when the tastes of boys and girls were so divergente there's no comparison today. I fid the situation of female entertaiment oriented movies like Twilight appaling. The Twilight movies are for the horror genre what the JJ Abrams directed Abrams Tek is for SF in generla and Star Trek in particular: a retread and a dumbification of much unjustly maligned genres. Everytime a filmmaker like Duncan Jones, Guilhermo Del Toro or Christopher Nolan makes a movie in which they make a veritable effort to elevate the genres, there will be ten JJ Abrams or Michael Bays who bring it all down to the mud of ignomy... again. It's a sad affair. When you complain that movies are getting too detatched to reality, i agree. I long for the days like in the 70s when movies were more down to earth, where a Dirty Harry character could be seen as stretching the bounderies of reality. Today, all action movies and the stuff the heroes do make Dirt Harry look like a documentary in comparison. I actually think that a more closer to reality depiction in an action movie make sit more exciting. A movie like HEAT far excited and enthralls me then DIE HARD. And i love DIE HARD, but the action scenes in HEAT surpass because of how closer to reality they are. I'm a guy, and i'm portuguese, thus a foreigner and twice removed form your own experience as an american and female. My opinions are not yours. But i just watned to know that at least somebody here do understand what you are saying, even if i might fully agree with everything you say.

  • May 31, 2011, 5:54 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I agree. Most people think that Saturday Night Fever is this fluff movie becau eof the Bee Gees songs. In truth it's a melancolic, even depressing movie about a bunch of partygoes idiots who get a rude awakening about life the hard way. And it pales in comparison to Paul Verhoeven's SPETTERS.

  • May 31, 2011, 5:59 a.m. CST

    guitar_dudester91, dude, you are fucked up.

    by AsimovLives

  • May 31, 2011, 7:10 a.m. CST

    I was suprised the first time i saw SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER

    by AsimovLives

    With all it's popularity, and more over the populairy of it's soundtrack filled with disco fluff music, at how dark and dramatic the movie really is. The movie is no fluff at all. One could say there is a major dissonance between the image of SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER and the movie itself.

  • May 31, 2011, 7:17 a.m. CST

    I wonder how many...

    by Xionsmith

    Will actually show up to this, and then stay for all 4 movies? You should take a count of how many you have at the start and how many are there for the last movie. Then take names and ban anyone that didn't stay the entire event from ever attending another AICN event. Can you tell I'm disappointed that I didn't get in? I'm a horrible essay writer =(. Give me some math questions next time to solve!

  • Shocking.

  • May 31, 2011, 8:40 a.m. CST


    by AssyMuffJizz

    That post to genderblender illustrates why you're the genuine article, and I'm just a poor imitation. Well done, my father.

  • Same old AICN. I love this place!

  • May 31, 2011, 9:23 a.m. CST

    genderbender: Real feminists don't use the Internet.


    All those phallic wires and jacks constantly blowing loads of information into passive, yielding automated boxes ... If that's not a metaphor for a phallo-centric society's collective rape fantasy I'm a sprout-munchin' nancyboy. From a feminist point of view, your posts are an act of rape.

  • May 31, 2011, 9:28 a.m. CST

    CHOPPAH, don't forget all that tech talk...

    by D.Vader

    About male and female "ports".

  • May 31, 2011, 9:31 a.m. CST



    This has been a great turn of events. First I met Nordling at the ComicPalooza, though he doesn't know it. Now this!! Shit to the yeah!

  • May 31, 2011, 9:36 a.m. CST

    genderblender, you cheated a little

    by CountryBoy

    You said I wouldn't find one example of female characters moving the plot DIRECTLY, and when I gave several examples of it, you said "But they're not the main character." When was that the criterion? You said "all men" want to "rape, rape, rape," and when I disputed that you said "but there are rape cults" etc -- which manifestly does not prove what you first said. (I didn't watch the links, because I'm at a public library and don't want to be seen watching rape movies!) (And unless those links somehow prove that "all men want to rape, rape, rape," they don't make your point either.) And I still go back to what you said long ago -- no one should love their families, they're just the people who happen to be around. This is bone-chilling. For the third time, you need help. You keep urging people to watch this link or that link; I urge you to find a good therapist. I'm not kidding. Your problems are far more deep-seated than just seeing movies through a lens of victimhood and rage.

  • May 31, 2011, 9:37 a.m. CST

    I hope there won't be any d-bag walkouts like DRAGONSLAYER


  • May 31, 2011, 9:38 a.m. CST

    late to the party, Choppah

    by AssyMuffJizz

    Fashionably late.

  • May 31, 2011, 9:42 a.m. CST

    CHOPPAH is never late, muffy.


    He arrives precisely when he means to. Time, gender, community. These constructs are beneath me. My reality encompasses the All.

  • May 31, 2011, 9:42 a.m. CST

    objective reviews are for pussies!


    Me and my one lung want as much subjective shit and personal recollections in a "review" as legally allowed.

  • May 31, 2011, 9:42 a.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    Let me say that I don't have a problem with your viewpoints (though I think a few of them are truly crazy, esp. your thoughts on Lucas and Spielberg), but I have a bigger problem with the way you argue, using numerous blanket statements and not backing up your claims with any real evidence.

  • May 31, 2011, 9:45 a.m. CST

    The act of entering a movie theater is an act of male aggression.


    Forcing open doors to fill up a dark, intimate, womb-like room ... It's rape I tells ya!

  • May 31, 2011, 10:07 a.m. CST

    It's been years since I've seen SNF, and I've NEVER seen an episode

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    of the series, Saturday Night Fever kind of sounds like Jersey Shore:The Unrated Movie. Mooks and whores, mooks and whores...

  • May 31, 2011, 10:32 a.m. CST


    by veritasses

    It's always sad to hear a life so scarred by such a screwed up, evil person. I"m sorry for what happened to you.<BR><BR> Your pain and hurt and anger is evident and I don't blame you for any of it. But I do hope that one day you can find peace. It would be a shame if you had to carry that with you for the rest of your life. Good luck to you.

  • May 31, 2011, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Besides, we all know the shark in Jaws is actually gay.


    His name is Bruce, after all.

  • May 31, 2011, 11:13 a.m. CST

    And Quint is definitely having his manhood severed.


  • May 31, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST


    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Bruce Willis, Bruce Campbell, Bruce Boxleitner and the ghost of Bruce Lee are coming over to kick your ass. While Bruce Vilanch giggles.

  • May 31, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST

    The act of entering a movie theater is an act of male aggression, but


    then I slather extra butter on my popcorn and spend at least half an hour slowly slurping my soda... Everyone goes home happy. Trust me.

  • May 31, 2011, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Harry, I'm really looking forward to meeting you.


    This will be a night to remember. Will there be an orgy afterward?

  • May 31, 2011, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Seriously genderblender?

    by Ryan

    I do not know what you have against men or what anyone has done to you but all men do not sit and think about rape and assault or whatever the hell you are talking about. Something sexual was the farthest thing from my mind while watching that scene from Jaws. You can justify any conclusion if you try hard enough. Nobody likes a feminist nazi and it gives all those that support women's rights a bad name.

  • May 31, 2011, 11:56 a.m. CST


    by The Hand Of The Choppah

    The Hand regrets missing it. Damneth.

  • May 31, 2011, 12:20 p.m. CST


    by The Hand Of The Choppah

    Men are lustful creatures, and sometimes a goat simply does not suffice. My whores perform an invaluable service to men in need, at reasonable prices. And they are well protected from clients who would dare raise an angry hand to them. And I personally ensure that their own needs for orgasmic release are fulfilled.

  • May 31, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Whitesnake's "Here I Go Again"

    by Itchypanda

    was playing when i was reading this article. Discuss.

  • May 31, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST


    by The Hand Of The Choppah

    Our Lord's mercy is boundless.

  • May 31, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    What a great Talkback! Give it a Hand!


  • May 31, 2011, 12:37 p.m. CST


    by The Hand Of The Choppah

    Whores for everyone!

  • May 31, 2011, 12:40 p.m. CST

    I wish I could go being that Close Encounters has been

    by ufoclub1977

    my favorite movie since I saw it on a best friend's movie-going-b-day party back in 1977. Hence my name on here. It inspired me to start a neighborhood club of third graders back then, and we would wander around the neighborhood and woods and nay supposed haunted place in our part of suburbia always watching the skies.

  • May 31, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST


    by BSB

  • May 31, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Planet of the Rapes, er Apes!


  • May 31, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST


    by BSB

    That's what it says on my briefs.

  • I will do it with my spear and magic helmet!

  • Sadly that's NYC's anthem in the aftermath of last week's ridiculous verdict.

  • May 31, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST

    asimovlives said...

    by ufoclub1977

    "Like many filmmakers like him (Spielberg), he's a nerd who had unfortunate few experience with the female side of humanity when he made his classics" Lol. This is not true if you mean female contact. Or are you talking about when he was a teenager making super 8 and 16mm films? By accounts I read, the guy was dating LA models in the 70's. Whoever he wanted to go out with. He was attending beach house parties with the young "in" crowd of the revolutionary Hollywood auteur upstarts where roving starlets spiced things up with the free sex attitude. Of course meaningful relationships this does not normally beget.

  • May 31, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST



    NYC is becoming a veritable Tijuana of the north with all these authority figures rapin' errabody.

  • May 31, 2011, 2:05 p.m. CST

    In Mother Russia, goat rapes you!


  • May 31, 2011, 2:41 p.m. CST

    oh genderblender

    by CT1

    im in love

  • It wasn't some fluffy, perky Disco Film.The situations that have occured throughout the film show a more believable potrayal of NYC inhabitants during the 70's Disco craze. (Hey, what's more convincing than a bunch of racist Italian punks from Brooklyn? HA HA) Travolta deservingly became an instant star and it wasn't due to his dancing moves alone, but the fucker did a great job (acting wise.) Too bad Stallone fucked up the sequel and not to mention, dumbed it way down. SNF, fucking classic!

  • May 31, 2011, 3:24 p.m. CST

    AHH YES, THE 70'S

    by The Hand Of The Choppah

    When The Choppah and I were mere lads in the town of Ridge by the bay. I have fond memories of Choppah setting fire to the dance hall floor, and nights roaming the bridge that spans the Narrow Sea.

  • May 31, 2011, 3:27 p.m. CST


    by The Hand Of The Choppah

    'Twas a long and arduous battle, but in the end, our Lord Choppah stood victorious 'pon their king's table.

  • May 31, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST


    by The Hand Of The Choppah

    When one of our own, through mischievous lie, caused us to attack a Dothraki village and wreak severe punishment 'pon them. Though our merciful Choppah forgave this young lad, his guilt caused him to take his own life by plunging from the Bridge That Spans The Narrow Sea.

  • May 31, 2011, 3:59 p.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    You're not well young lady. I really do suggest that you need to get some form of counselling. To live in a world as suggestive of depravity and despair as that that exists in your mind is truly horrific.

  • May 31, 2011, 3:59 p.m. CST



  • May 31, 2011, 3:59 p.m. CST

    In those days, the Hand did more coke than Dubya.


  • May 31, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST


    by Shubniggorath

    I was interested when this was about Super 8, but it seems to have become Freshman year Gender Studies, or a very skillful troll. TL;DR

  • May 31, 2011, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Devin Fatso Faraci said Super 8 is a piece of shit

    by Nabster

    It's basically a homo version of Cloverfield.

  • May 31, 2011, 8:36 p.m. CST


    by darth_hideous

  • I have a Chinon Pacific series super 8 that allows the camera to operate without depressing the trigger. Kodak also made a cool 200 foot cartridge for the Pacific, among others.... sweet shit!

  • May 31, 2011, 9:31 p.m. CST


    by spidar40

  • ...It's one of the most philosophically intelligent films ever made, about mankind's search for meaning and purpose in this cold dark universe of ours. The fact that it's also successful as an entertaining cinematic experience on a more basic visceral level is testament to its greatness. Closer to 2001 Space Odessy in scope, ambition and meaning than the obvious, spoon feeding lectures of, say, Planet Of The Apes or District 9 (both great movies by the way, but Encounters is on another level entirely, timeless cinema, not only of it's time.)

  • May 31, 2011, 10:28 p.m. CST

    speaking of jaws

    by cobrakinte funny stuff. stupid, but funny.

  • May 31, 2011, 10:52 p.m. CST


    by darth_hideous Looks like the Cloverfield monster to me...

  • June 1, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    Ah your appreciation of Harry deserves a reward. Here's one of his old reviews to lighten your heart.

  • June 1, 2011, 6:13 p.m. CST


    by one9deuce

    Nice one! That's classic. Here's another example for our feminist friend while she's "appreciating" Harry.

  • June 3, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    The Nikon R8 and R10 were awesome Super 8mm cameras.

    by v3d

    Great Nikon optics. Single frame, 18, 24 and 54 fps. Really solid cameras. Bought mine in 1977 and it still work like new.