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Massawyrm has deja vu watching THE HANGOVER PART II!!!

Published at: May 27, 2011, 7:23 a.m. CST

Hola all. Massawyrm here.

There’s very little to be said about THE HANGOVER PART II that won’t be repeated time and again not only by everyone who reviews it, but by everyone who sees it. Whether you love it, hate it or come down somewhere in the middle, it is hard to ignore the fact that it is the exact same movie as the original. I don’t mean to say that it is very much like the original, but rather that it is beat for beat the very same movie. One critic recently joked that the script was written entirely with the find/replace function of Final Draft, and I’m not in any way certain that it wasn’t. For some, this will prove to be a masterstroke, a genius tactic to create a true sequel in every sense of the word; for others, like myself, it will kill what you loved about the first film.

What made THE HANGOVER so unique was that it served not only as a raunchy comedy, but as a tautly paced mystery. If you bought into the film’s premise, you were not only laughing at the madness that unfolded before your eyes, but you hung on the very edge of your seat, eager to discover the fate of the missing groom. The question of whether he was alive or dead drove that film from set piece to set piece, and added weight to every crazy thing these jokers got into. Unlike many films of its type, they weren’t after some simple McGuffin; they were looking for their friend, terrified that they would have to explain to his bride how they got him killed in Vegas. And the payoff for that film was perfect. It delivered in terms of story and it stood apart from the much more moronic fare that you typically find in the R-rated, raunchy comedy landscape.

But by repeating the original film note for note, they strip the film of that element. Eagle eyed viewers will catch all of the “gun burying” Todd Phillips and his writers are up to and have the mystery figured out in the first half hour. Worse still, lacking the tension of the first film, it hits points where it begins to drag; scenes that are supposed to be of the protagonists wrestling with the pathos of the situation play more like those of a clown pretending he doesn’t see his cohort sneaking up with a pie – even though all of the kids at the show are screaming out for him to look behind him. You know what’s coming – after all, you’ve seen this movie already – and you just wish they would get the fuck on with it.

That said, the film is just as funny as the original. Most of the jokes work, and there are at least half a dozen that will all but knock you out of your chair. And it’s hard to slam a comedy when it serves its primary purpose. Even if you end up hating this film, it will make you laugh at least of couple of times; the jokes are simply too audacious for you not to. Phillips and company took what time they would have spent writing a story (or a new mystery) and put it all into punch up. The result is a film that understands that it needs to go further than the original did in order to feel fresh, and on that count they score big. THE HANGOVER II takes all the necessary steps to be raunchier and even more debaucherous than its predecessor, and manages to serve up the same level of laughs you found in the first one.

If you’ve watched the original a number of times and wish you could watch it again with all new jokes, man are you in luck. But if your enjoyment of the first hinged upon being caught up in its story, then this will leave you wanting, despite the laughs. And it is safe to say that if you hated the original, this has nothing for you. This was a weird gamble and for me it came up short. But I laughed, and this time around that seems to be all they were going for.

Until next time friends,

Massawyrm

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  • May 27, 2011, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Happy Feet 2 Massa!!!!!!

    by Nomoredirtyanything

    Your thoughts?

  • May 27, 2011, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Massawyrm didn't say 'smoke 'em if you got 'em' at the end

    by Bobo_Vision

    Is this part of some new anti-smoking agenda and an effort to be more conscious of the health habits that AICN promotes since smoking plus the morbid obesity already afflicting many talkbackers could cause them to croak within a decade?

  • May 27, 2011, 7:31 a.m. CST

    That said, that's all I needed to hear to make me go see this film

    by Bobo_Vision

    I haven't seen the original in a long time and have forgotten all the jokes, but I enjoyed it. So I will probably dig this.....we'll see...

  • May 27, 2011, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Holy Crap Bobo.... maybe this one isn't even smoke-worthy?

    by Nomoredirtyanything

  • May 27, 2011, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Woo hoo!

    by Corpsedevowerer

    Ya know, sometimes more of a good thing, is in fact a good thing. The Hangover is definitely one of my favorite comedies of all time, so a second helping of the same platter is certainly embraced imo.

  • May 27, 2011, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Don't you think...

    by IceMonkey

    ...that copying the first one is the point? Who is walking into The Hangover II looking for a taut thriller or great mystery? The first one wasn't either one of those things. There was no mystery; you knew Doug was alive and you knew they would find him just in time. As long as it's funny the movie works. I haven't seen it yet but I imagine that I will like it just fine because I loved the comedy of the first one.

  • May 27, 2011, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Your enjoyment of the first was based entirely on.....

    by gooseud

    How early you saw it in its run. I thought the trailer for the original Hangover looked like shit to begin with, so I held off about a month. However, after a month of hearing how hilarious it was, I decided to give it a shot. At that point, the intial Austin Powers II "This is going to be the FUNNIEST movie I've ever SEEN!!" hysteria had started to wear off, and Hangover was being judged by its own merits. Which of course is a problem, since as most people over the age of 19 have learned by watching it on DVD and not in a crowded theater, Hangover isnt actually funny. The half hour from Mike Tyson through that horrendously un-funny Ed Helms tiger song, it was dead silence. You could have heard a cricket chirp in the back of the theater. Its the "Creed Theory": When you are the only game in town (Creed with hard rock in the late 90's, Hangover with comedy that summer), you can make a mint, even if you arent actually any good.

  • May 27, 2011, 7:47 a.m. CST

    I read about two lines of Wyrm's review...

    by richievanderlow

    and stopped. I've heard that it's repetitive, but if it is as funny, I won't care. Some of us just want to go see a movie like this and laugh. Maybe I'll pick up on the same negative thoughts every reviewer has, but I don't want to go in pre-programmed to hate it because it's too similar.

  • May 27, 2011, 7:55 a.m. CST

    richievanderlow

    by Massawyrm 1

    You might want to actually read the review next time.

  • May 27, 2011, 7:59 a.m. CST

    I thought the first one looked funny...

    by The_Closet_Nerd

    But ended up laughing at maybe one or two things. I couldn't believe how many people were telling me it was the funniest movie they had ever seen. Right around the same time, I saw The Goods, and couldn't believe that movie wasn't as big. Maybe it's just me.

  • May 27, 2011, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Will Heather Graham get her tits out to feed a baby?

    by V'Shael

    If not, then I'm not interested.

  • May 27, 2011, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Fuck those people who watch it AFTER the hype

    by knowthyself

    And to act like they're better than everyone start talking about how it's not as good. The people who saw it opening weekend were pleasantly surprised and the people who saw it months later went in with a chip on their shoulder entitled "best comedy of the year? yeah right." Contrarians the lot of ya.

  • May 27, 2011, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Saw it last night. Yeah, it's rinse and repeat, but...

    by bat725

    ...it's the funniest shit I've seen in a long time. Funnier than part one, IMO. Go see it. AICN didn't get an advanced screening at the Alamo, so their reviews have to be taken with a grain of salt.

  • May 27, 2011, 8:24 a.m. CST

    RE: The Goods

    by Jon

    the_closet_nerd pointed out how The Goods came and went with little fanfare. The scene with Will Ferrell dressed like Lincoln with a dildo filled parachute was one of the funniest things i saw that year.

  • May 27, 2011, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Wyrm

    by richievanderlow

    I wasn't criticizing you, don't get upset... I just don't want to be influencened more than I already have. I'll come back and read it, I just want to go in, let go and laugh. Worrying about repetitiveness and story in a movie like this just doesn't matter to me. Starting off, that was right were you were going. I'm going to see this because I want to laugh, not see some kind of oscar contender, so I don't really care about all that stuff that most reviewers are focused on. I'm not reading anymore reviews until after I see it. If it gets ruined after the fact, then that's fine. I've heard it's really funny, and I'm excited about that and don't want it ruined by mostly negative reviews that seem to focus on how similar it is. Sorry if you got offended by that. I'll come back later and critique your review and give you as much positive feedback on your words as i can.... fair?

  • May 27, 2011, 8:26 a.m. CST

    a taut mystery?

    by HoboCode

    Give me a fucking break. Listen. I love The Hangover. I've seen it more times than is probably healthy. But a taut mystery? Please. Anyone who actually thought the groom might be dead was a moron. It was a summer comedy. The entire premise was only funny because you knew it would work out in the end. Any other ending would make the movie downright sinister. What drove the movie was the hilarious performances, one-liners, and set-pieces, not some bullshit contrived mystery. I imagine people who liked the first movie will enjoy this movie just to see the characters interact again and see some more toilet humor and T&A. Expectign anything else from this would be pitifully self-delusional and deafeating the purpose.

  • May 27, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST

    v'shael

    by richievanderlow

    The problem is her tits don't look as good as they did in like, Boogie Nights. They've shriveled a bit. That's disappointing. Still nice, but not as spectacular.

  • May 27, 2011, 8:30 a.m. CST

    i stopped reading at "loved the first"

    by animas

    i'm so sick of people acting like god damned politicians. as if qualifying your love for a shitty unfunny movie somehow justifies a criticism of a formulaic sequel, when in fact it is just the opposite. liking the first Hangover means you have no credibility AT ALL.

  • That's the only thing that can explain her career.

  • May 27, 2011, 8:32 a.m. CST

    when is CRANK 3 coming out?

    by Spandau Belly

    They could make 20 of those movies and I would see every one.

  • May 27, 2011, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Like I said, too fuckin' funny. Go see that shit.

    by bat725

    Fuck what the chick-flickers have to say about it.

  • May 27, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Massa, you jovial fucker

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Always love to hear you on the /filmcast.

  • May 27, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST

    evanglion

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    I'm gonna make your wish of being CHOPPED come true. a true professional would be able to write a coherent review of XMEN with their scrote in someones mouth. But this is Ginger fat-ass we are talking about. He obviously hasnt seen it yet or Fox didnt give him the lifesize Cerebro-modified wheelchair he's been begging for. Dont bring a knife to a CHOPfight. CHOPPED.

  • May 27, 2011, 9:05 a.m. CST

    "it will make you laugh at least of couple of times"

    by Rupee88

    Wow....$15 and sitting through 15 minutes of commercials and a 90 minute movie so I can laugh two times. Somehow I don't think it's worth it. The first one wasn't that good and this one is clearly worse so I'll pass.

  • That said, I know it will be a huge success. Not because people are stupid, but because the bar for what passes for comedy in films these days is set so low. The studio execs and Todd Phillips were so concerned with repeating the success of the first film that they literally made the same film not leaving anything to chance. I too, enjoyed the first although not as enthusiastically as most. Despite what some claim it is NOT the Second Coming of Caddyshack. But, the only reason I would want to see a sequel would be to spend more time with the characters who made me laugh. That said, I don't need to see them in the exact same situations, but was actually looking forward to seeing how they react to new ones. As I said already, it is so obvious that the filmmakers did not want to mess with a winning formula and they took that to its most cynical conclusion. That said, I'm sure I will be dragged by my friends to see this soon and I'm sure I will laugh big, because big laughs on the big screen are hard to come by these days.

  • May 27, 2011, 10:09 a.m. CST

    It's gotta be better than BRIDESMAIDS

    by garybuseys_incisors

  • May 27, 2011, 10:35 a.m. CST

    big surprise

    by redkamel

    I am not seeing the second one because the first one sucked balls. The ending is given away as soon as the valet or whoever says "the only way to get the mattress is up there is to throw it off the roof". Wow, now that someone mentions it wouldn't it be funny if after the whole caper their friend was right where they started, full circle, etc etc? I mean, they didn't have a mattress when they took those shots, so I know they went back there. If the second is even more obvious than that, it must be REALLY obvious. The kid is probably safe at home or something. The humor also failed with me. The attempt at comedy was "something random/outrageous will happen". After a while, it just wore on me. "Oh there is something in the trunk.I know for a fact, given every joke in this movie so far, it will be something random, and not something clever based on an earlier experience. Therefore I am not even going to try and guess or have any expectations (both a key part of forming a humorous situation). Oh, a naked asian man. Ok. Next." Except for Galfianikis who had some good lines/mannersims, I didn't really laugh.

  • May 27, 2011, 11:06 a.m. CST

    "Hangover isnt actually funny." TWO WORDS...

    by Astronut

    bull. shit. get a sense of humor, for god's sake. and a pulse.

  • May 27, 2011, 11:29 a.m. CST

    What a stupid, stupid review.

    by cinemixtape.com

    "The first Hangover worked as a tautly paced mystery" "It's the exact same movie... with all new jokes" "It SEEMS this time around all they were going for were laughs" LOL

  • May 27, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Hangover, Hollywood suck

    by menacingphantom

    Hollywood comedies have been shite for the last decade.

  • Which apparently means I don't like myself. Guess I should seek out some therapy.

  • May 27, 2011, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Saw it yesterday

    by Conaw

    Still a very funny film, despite the fact that it was the same story. I had low expectations, but I had a fun time.

  • May 27, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST

    The first

    by BERSERKR

    Was slightly enjoyable, but I never really laughed that much, unfortunately I must see this in the theatre as everyone I know was in live with the first one, there have been far better comedies in recent memory, Get him to the Greek springs to mind.

  • May 27, 2011, 3:05 p.m. CST

    #Ebert's Review

    by beastie

    Can anyone spoil the photo that Ebert said Todd Phillips should never have included in the end credits for me? I don't plan to see the movie until DVD and I'm too damn curious.

  • May 27, 2011, 3:06 p.m. CST

    3d-man AGREE

    by beastie

    That's the way I feel about all Todd Phillips movies.

  • May 27, 2011, 4:32 p.m. CST

    MICHAEL BAY

    by 2007

    I thought this was the place to find people that won't pay cinema prices to shut their brains off? Effing hypocrites. Weren't all of you sooo offended by the stereotypical jokes and crude humor...omg call the police.

  • May 27, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST

    saw the first one after the hype

    by jsfithaca

    LOVED IT! so whoever said that can fuck off. if its as funny as the first im excited as hell. and massa did you honestly think in the first movie he was jus gonna end up dead?

  • May 27, 2011, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Does anybody know a sequel to a hit comedy that was actually...

    by Orbots Commander

    ...as good as the original, or better? Because they almost never are; comedies are unique in that way, and very hard to pull off. And extrapolating, a third Hangover probably turns out to be the biggest piece of shit of its particular year.

  • May 27, 2011, 10:08 p.m. CST

    The first hangover was the comedy choice of stupid people

    by Nabster

    The second one is putrid shit. Pure and simple.

  • The best parts imo were the ones that had no part 1 counterpart (that I can remember). Cooper at Helms' office trying to sneak out with a prescription pad ("was this brushing against your scrotum?" "yeah") and some other parts. Chow (spl?) and galafawhogivesa%$! are still annoying as hell, and as soon as they were with that azn stripper asking about the night before I thought "that bitch has a di9%" and I was right. Whereas the first one where they figure out where doug was made sense, this time they were really stretching out when helms figures out where teddy is. When zach is mean-mugging teddy for being a fifth wheel to the wolf pack, part of me is thinking maybe teddy will reveal to either be a dumbass that starts all the trouble or a badass that is hiding under the wool of an innocent 16 year old pre med student. btw speaking of him being a pre med student, I personally thought it was funny that when zach learns teddy is pre med at the airport, he brings up dougie howser (spl?) md, and how he turned up "being a gay." Personally i can barely remember hangover 1 but yeah this felt more of the same, just sub bangkok for vegas and an azn chick for Sasha Barrese and a baby for a monkey. When tyson shows up at the end I was hoping that tyson would intro someone else (billy joel or somebody) but yeah he's not as funny here as he was doing phil collins and that famous air drum solo. the tattoo artist played by Cassavettes (spl) was coo' cuz I liked him from the Wraith and as gina gershon's bro in face off, but unless they had special lines specifically for Liam Neeson or Mel Gibson, i don't see how it could've been any funnier. the only cameos I can think of are giamatti as a "crime lord" and tyson, but personally I was kinda sad that when they were in zach's room you can prominently see some old school posters of the late great Randy Savage aka macho man...I was hoping against hope that maybe he filmed a super secret cameo before doing a flying elbow drop for Jesus and that they didn't mention it so as to not seem crass, but seeing that poster was enough I guess. but yeah, if they had just been more original and not followed p1 beat by beat it would've been better, as it is I kinda wished we saw potc instead.

  • All the stuff that isn't a redo is very subtle and will be even funnier with repeat viewings.

  • May 28, 2011, 6:33 p.m. CST

    And it's better than Bridesmaids

    by JackSlater4

    Which was funny but nowhere near the best thing Apatow was ever involved with which someone around here prev claimed. The worst episode of Freaks and Geeks was better than Bridesmaids.

  • May 28, 2011, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Alright jackslater4...

    by wacko3205

    Did you really dig on Bridesmaids...or is your gal just standing behind you whilst ya type? If so...I feel ya. Heh heh heh. Seriously though...the reason I ask...I saw it...& agree with ya...it wasn't Aps best...& I did think it was funny...but it was almost uncomfortable to watch at certain points. The most uncomfortable being the Bridesmaids bash & the demolition of the cookie & stuff. Don't get me wrong...it was funny...but sumpin about it just dint sit right with me on certain parts. As a whole it was hillarious...the "Big Girl/Air Marshall" bit was priceless.

  • May 28, 2011, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Hangover 2 is 100 times funnier that Bridesmaids.

    by fanboy71

    I saw this today and it was frickin hilarious. Watched Bridesmaids a couple of weeks ago and laughed twice. But Bridesmaids is getting great reviews and this is getting mediocre reviews.

  • May 28, 2011, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Saw it tonight..

    by richievanderlow

    And came back and read Wyrm's review like I said I would. Glad I steered away from this and other reviews, as they all had this negative tone that would have dragged me down. The movie was funny as shit, and I was beyond pleased. They definitely upped the ante with this one. I get what wyrm is saying.. but I didn't leave the first one with this transformative experience that he seemed to... How this can ruin the first boggles me. This isn't Star Wars for god's sake. The criticism about it being beat for beat the same film is dead on. I probably disagree with Wyrm on why I didn't like that aspect, though. As funny as this movie was, it could have been even funnier if it were a bit more unpredictable. There's elements and characters that you want to see included, but there should have been some new characters to add to this ensemble, or replace/augment what some of the players from the first one did. Chow. Great to have him there, but it would have been bettert to get a new character to fill his role from the first film. Kind of the same as Zack G, really. Great character that you can't leave out, but he's quickly becoming the next Jack Black. He has a brand of humor that is unique to him, but recognizable in just about every role he does, and its impact on this film is lessened. The photos at the end, Stu singing a song about their predicament.. that's all ok to me as nostalgic elements of a potential emerging franchise, and warranted repeating. But they just copied too much I don't know.. so much to love about this sequel, for sure. But I feel they missed an opportunity to make it even funnier.

  • May 28, 2011, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Hangover 2 = Home Alone 2

    by Nick

    Same fucking movie, just amped up in some areas.

  • May 29, 2011, 1:50 a.m. CST

    Pirates of the Caribbean

    by DarthMusashi2112

    was funnier...gonna see that again.

  • May 29, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Its been said already

    by Mr.Vengeance

    But really you thought it was a mystery and you was hanging on the edge of your seat???? I prefered to sit back and laugh my arse off enjoying the shenanigans knowing full well they were going to find him alive, from the moment they started looking for him.

  • May 30, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST

    First one was ok

    by HughHoyland

    I didnt see it in theaters but got the DVD after its release and viewed it. It was generally funny and I had a laugh or two. But I didnt think it was the burst out loud, laugh inducing movie it seems many thought it was. I thought it was a sometimes clever, sometimes crude, slightly above mediocre story. Not breaking down the doors to see its sequel anytime soon though. Just M.O.