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Tom Hardy IS Bane! Take Two!

(Sorry about that, everyone.  The article seemed to be having technical issues so I deleted it and reposted it with a smaller memory picture.  If you wrote your own personal WAR AND PEACE in the Talkback you're just going to have to find it in yourself to start again.)

Nordling here.

I was actually sent this by a reader, but apparently it was found through the official DARK KNIGHT RISES website.  Hidden in the website somehow - Slashfilm says it was hidden in the visual spectrum of the audio that plays over the site - was a hashtag, #thefirerises.  And through Twitter, the image was revealed.  It's all a bit confusing.  Anyway, here's Tom Hardy as Bane:

Looks pretty formidable, huh?  So far this film's progressing nicely.

Nordling, out.


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  • May 20, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Looks like Cenobite teeth

    by bah


  • May 20, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST

    UNRELATED - Macho Man Randy Savage Killed in Car Accident

    by Orionsangels

  • May 20, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    RIP Macho Man

    by eric haislar

    Thanks for the Memories!

  • May 20, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Website audio

    by roberthorry

    was pretty interesting. Hope the teaser trailer is an exciting appetizer, like TDK's.

  • May 20, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    That was fast!!

    by BookhouseBoy

    Thought it would be at least a few months before any pictures surfaced..

  • May 20, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Love it!!!

    by VinnyMac666

  • May 20, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST


    by eric haislar

    Looks bad ass. Nice to see the mask looks functional. Like it delivers gas or something Probably called venom!

  • May 20, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST


    by Spielbergs Furious Racism


  • May 20, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Randy Savage

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Best WWF Superstar of his time! R.I.P.

  • May 20, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST


    by Money Daniels


  • May 20, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Tom Hardy rocks

    by BadMrWonkaSucksCock

    just gets better and better..

  • Glad they didn't

  • May 20, 2011, 1 p.m. CST

    Hell yes

    by TheNothing

    That's a scary-looking dude. Nolan continues to reaffirm my faith in him.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Not much of a Bane fan ...

    by Tom Fremgen

    He was pretty much created as a cheap stunt (or an expensive one depending on how many issue you bought). But if anyone can make him cool, Nolan probably can.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST


    by 2for2true


  • Why couldn't that fag Jesus wait until after TDKR comes out! They should just do it live! Fuck it! Nolan will write it, and they'll do it live! This fucking christian thing sucks!

  • May 20, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST

    my take

    by thesmilingpsycho

    it looks like the mask actually has a function to it. like there is a reason he has to wear it (of course there is, nolan has a reason for everything in his films). but it looks to be more like a gas mask. maybe the steroids aren't injected but he breathes them in like a gas. he could even be using another version of the device in the first film that turns liquid into gas. so it would turn the steroids into gas and he just breathes it in. that is my guess. i also hope they make him appear much taller than tom hardy really is. which is like 5 foot somethin.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST


    by Chewtoy

    I can't really come up with any opinion on this one way or another. It doesn't really look cool, but it also doesn't really look bad either. It's certainly more interesting than going without a mask at all. Eh. Okay.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    To all you whiners about ads...

    by ATARI

    Get Firefox 4, install the AdBlockPlus and NoScript plug-ins.<br> <br> Problem solved!!<br> <br>

  • May 20, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    2for2true - Get Adblock Plus for your browser

    by Cletus Van Damme

    I'm not sure about IE, but they have it for Firefox and chrome. I haven't seen ads on this site in years thanks to it.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Rip Macho Man

    by TheJudger

    Just found out via my daily google "Dies" routine. Fuck...... Was hoping to see him come back in to the showbiz game again, maybe as a character in a Rob Zombie flick. Fuck Death!

  • May 20, 2011, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Kind of Reminds me of Scorpius from Farscape

    by AdrienBrodysOface

  • May 20, 2011, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Bane was never really a one note character...

    by RobertoInfinite

    If you read up on his backstory, it's pretty interesting. A women is jailed for her husband's crimes on a Cuba-type (fictional DC universe) island called Santa Prisca. She has her baby and (I believe) dies right away, leaving her son to finish out her husband's life sentence. He is sort of small and frail and grows up like a wild animal - but a wild animal who reads anything he gets his hands on - and ends up killing the baddest guy in prison. He is then recruited into a program (presumably by the American military) where he's given doses of a human growth drug called Venom (which Batman at one point used in the comics). He becomes enormous and strong and escapes...To Gotham City. Starting as a young boy, he's kind of traumatized by being tossed in the hole several times where he would be constantly attacked by bats...SO with this ingrained in his mind, and finding himself in a new setting, he decides he will take down the biggest and baddest man in Gotham who also happens to dress like a giant bat. He's more than a one dimensional character - pretty awesome if you ask me...

  • May 20, 2011, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Bane Backne!!

    by Sequitur

    Pop it!

  • May 20, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST

    I am betting the Venom in the film

    by eric haislar

    Is like PCP. He is strong to begin with. So it probably does not give him strength but more likely induces feelings of strength, power, and invulnerability.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST

    geektard_smasher - "who was phony" - R u an idiot?

    by Mennen

    uh... fyi - it's all scripted.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST


    by dahveed1972

    In case someone on this site gives a shit, that fucking thing a menace. Ive crashed multiple times now, and even before that it was pain in the ass.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Shit, Hardy looks YOLKED.

    by Playkins

    So weird, he seems to fluctuate in every movie.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Not Enough Back Ance

    by Bumpasses Dawg

    Being that Bane is the ultimate 'roid rager.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Macho Man would actually "sell"

    by Samuel Fulmer

    when geting "hit" by an opponent. Hogan was famous for no-selling and almost never putting anyone else over. The only reason he dropped the belt in '88 was so he could star in No Holds Barred. Then in '90 he dropped the belt to the Ultimate Warrior (another famous no-seller) to film some other shit movie.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Great look for Bane!

    by donchild

    This looks terrific, really great debut shot for Bane! LOVE IT!! It sorta reminds me of that reveal of The Joker with the creepy lighting and blacked out background, Hardy is in great shape as well and that mask just screams eerie!!! Bring on the Catwoman next!!

  • May 20, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Agree with geektard

    by CT1

    Randy seemed like he lived it and really loved it and was so grateful for what his persona gave him. "Hulk" is only about money and whining and limping around with an absolute DISASTER of a family, oh hm yeah ok his son killed somebody, his daughter aye yi yi hello jailbait daddy issues for life, and well his wife is a bitch so that's so much his fault, but he should have been more prepared and paying more attention instead of letting all this fucking shit befall him. Randy was just a guy with a lot of love, who loved life and what he did.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST

    When I look at that mask. My first thoughts are

    by TheJudger

    Bane cant talk, and he cant hear.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST

    I like the mask! I was afraid he wouldn't have one.

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

    I looks like it fuels him with venom, even though I'm still not sure they're going that route.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    But will he look bigger than Batman?

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

    That's what will make or, ahem, break the character for me. Tom Hardy is WAY shorter that Christian Bale in real life.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST

    AICN please make a Macho Man obituary!!!

    by brocknroll

    He never had a big career in film, but he did appear in cameos for the first "Spiderman" movie and did a cameo for "Ready to Rumble".

  • May 20, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Venom theory

    by MrFire

    I suspect that the Lazarus Pits and Bane's 'venom' will be the same thing. While the Lazarus pits have a chemical composition that extends life and builds muscle/stamina, aerosolized it can provide an immediate steroid-like burst of strength to a user. Bane's connection to the League of Shadows comes out because of this and he acts as their strongman in taking out Baleman.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST

    I like it

    by Wookie_1995

    Good job nolan

  • May 20, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Recent photo of Macho Man

    by eric haislar Breaks your heart, look at those eyes.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Realism in Dark Knight Series

    by Nuck81

    So Bane and the Lazarus Pits are realistic enough, but a short, long nosed, fat man, in a Tuxedo that calls himself Penguin isn't?

  • May 20, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Macho Man knew when to hang it up

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Unlike some other pro wrestlers who shall remain nameless.

  • That agent also represented George Foreman.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST


    by Kremzeek

    He has electronics to enhance his hearing through the mask/helmet. And maybe he doesn't need to speak with the mask on. Not saying I'm in-the-know or anything, but those are just some quick, practical guesses. Even if, in reality, he wouldn't be able to hear or talk, he's in a movie fighting a guy dressed up like a bat... There's some room for suspense of belief here. Really, guys, let's have some fun with this! Do we need to nitpick everything? No one has any fun anymore. Looks really great IMO. Enjoy the ride while it lasts.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST


    by MrFire

    Seriously? Damnit. Well, if they run with it, awesome. Makes sense and ties the two characters together. I have no problems with multiple villains in one movie as long as there's a logical connection between the two. I think that's where we get 'villain fatigue' from.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Whoa, I didn't know JYD was dead

    by bah

    Also a car wreck. Huh.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Kind of underwhelming

    by BenBraddock

    but then I don't know Bane at all. This doesn't look so exciting, just a little outlandish.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST

    "Wow, this story is bigger than i thought."

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Well pro wrestling was insanely popular during his time in the WWF, and he was one of the biggest names there, probably only second to Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, and Roddy Piper.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:47 p.m. CST

    OMG!!! HERE WE GO!!!!!!

    by ludmir88

  • May 20, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Is anyone able to...

    by chiwrtr72

    play that sound wave backwards? It sounds a little like backmasking to me.

  • Best news I've heard in weeks.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:54 p.m. CST

    LOL, azultool


    I thought you were talking about the Incredible Hulk. LOL @ the Hulkster too. Hate that jerk and his family after that crappy reality show.

  • May 20, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Bacne (back acne) equals...

    by CanYouFlySucka

    Lots and lots and LOTS of steroid use to get Hardy into this shape.

  • May 20, 2011, 2 p.m. CST

    Not big enough

    by Jaster

    That is all.

  • May 20, 2011, 2:02 p.m. CST

    spielbergs_furious_racism - Vanishing on 7th Street

    by smackfu

    was a horrifying abortion of a film. If anyone hasn't seen this film I strongly urge you to continue the tradition.

  • May 20, 2011, 2:03 p.m. CST

    A very similar tease to the first Joker picture

    by IndustryKiller!

    I didn't like the first Joker pic and we all know how that turned out. So I'll take this for what that was, a fun little taste of what was to come, but certainly not anywhere near the whole picture. Can't wait.

  • May 20, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST

    He's about to get pissed off that piece of lint falling next to him

    by professor murder

    Watch out! Here it comes......

  • May 20, 2011, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Bring out the gimp.

    by kiwicanuck

  • May 20, 2011, 2:19 p.m. CST

    AICN - reporting news later than everyone else now

    by georgecauldron

    I love the site and what these guys do, but I tend to see these sorts of tidbits on other sites a few hours earlier. It doesn't make a difference to me where I read this news, but I wonder if AICN is less "exclusive" than it used to be?

  • May 20, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    billy_d_williams...what holes?

    by superman76

  • May 20, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Good to see Hardy's back.

    by cookylamoo

    Because you really can't see his face.

  • May 20, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Dark Knight's two biggest flaws (my opinion)

    by Samuel Fulmer

    1-The last thirty minutes with Two Face was just too rushed and kind of wasted the whole Two Face character and 2-Maggie Gyllenhaal was just horribly miscast. She seemed so fake trying to play a nice normal person. I never thought I'd say it when it was announced she wasn't going to be in it, but I actually wish Katie Holmes had been in it. She's not the best actress, but she was able to pull off the earnest do-gooder stuff.

  • May 20, 2011, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Going to need serious camera angle/CG work

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Tom Hardy was 180 lbs and shorter than Bale before shooting. Even beefed up, he's probably 200 and Bale will still tower over him.

  • May 20, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST

    someone needs to photoshop a beer hat replacement

    by TheJudger

    Just for shits a giggles. I'm not complaining about the mask. Batmans ears are covered over as well. Still.. I want to see a beer hat photomock job done to this. None of the beer hats I can find online are angled right... :( :( :(

  • May 20, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    LOL Done feeding TDK sucks trolls...

    by RobertoInfinite

  • May 20, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Looks awesome

    by Fritzlorrerains

    Nolan rules

  • May 20, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST

    I really question the judgement of Bane being in this at all

    by Jaster

    Frankly he's just not that interesting a character, particularly when he's just a guy with muscles and not the sci-fi version from the comics. The first 2/3rds of the film should have been Catwoman, which we discover is actually Talia Al Ghul who came to avenge her father. But she ends up falling in love with Bruce instead. Then Ra's comes back for an epic battle at the end. Talia's allegiance is torn, but she eventually sacrifices herself to kill her father and save Bruce. The Fucking End

  • May 20, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Nolan + Stargate = Awesome

    by Chris

    @dioxholster: Fantastic idea. Make it so.

  • May 20, 2011, 2:41 p.m. CST

    AICN should just take "News" out it's Title.

    by cookylamoo

    It's just fanboy comment on other sites news.

  • May 20, 2011, 2:41 p.m. CST This picture sucks...

    by Cap'n Jack

    Bane is the gayest Batman villain ever created. He's just Batman's version on Doomsday. The backstory written above is so dumb. This + Catwoman = first sucky Nolan Batman film.

  • May 20, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST


    by Jobacca

    And the Luchador mask looks sillier HOW?????

  • May 20, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST


    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Where's the personal WAR AND PEACE I wrote in this TB from earlier???????????????? It began with..."It was the best of times, it was the worst of times..."

  • Wow, this story is bigger than I thought.

  • Could it be? The first 3rd movie of a trilogy saga ever which can match up in quality to the two previous movies before?

  • May 20, 2011, 2:50 p.m. CST

    RIP Macho Man

    by Double M

    His match vs Ricky Steamboat in front of 93000 at WMIII is still the standard for the spectacular Mania match.

  • May 20, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Bane still sucks.

    by Phil

    He just does.

  • May 20, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST


    by Astronut

    Maybe we'll hear him say that.

  • May 20, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST

    @nuck81 re: realism

    by kevred

    "Realism" is only allowed in films like this when said "realism" is dark, grim, gritty, and really not much fun at all.

  • May 20, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST

    don't know if this is a hole in TDK or just stupid


    when eric roberts gets in his limo and settles in before even noticing two-face... now, i don't know about you but when i get in any car i generally have to look into it even peripherally for a second. and i'd know who was in there with me in broad daylight. in the time it takes him to notice two face the car is already moving at a good speed. instantly? they have that brief conversation in real time, and then two face shoots the driver and we see that the car is already on a major highway. was eric roberts picked up at an exit? because it's like a matter of one minute. we never see two face jump out of the car, we see him prepare to and then we just see the car crash, no two face rolling to safety or crouching or getting hit by any cars behind him on this MAJOR HIGHWAY. so that's one big ugly scene. and i like the movie, but there is a lot of questionable mini-scenes like that.

  • I know BANE is also intelligent, right... but the fact that he has brains AND ridiculous strength makes me look forward to this movie. We have yet to see Batman square-off against a serious massive force, at least in Nolan's films.

  • May 20, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Yeah a definite Mortal Kombat/Borg vibe

    by Jaster

    And that's not a good thing. I agree a simple, black Luchadore mask would have been FAR preferred. Tom Hardy being cast as Bane was a WTF moment. This picture, unlike the Joker pics of Ledger, does not change that initial reaction. And for anyone who says "Go watch Bronson! He is Bane in that film!" he's fucking NOT. I streamed it for just that reason and he's completely over-the-top ridiculous in that movie. Just like he is in just about everything.

  • May 20, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Cap'n Jack

    by Bruce Thomas Wayne


  • May 20, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Should've been the Riddler


    False Dawn.

  • May 20, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST

    TDK Haters

    by Bruce Thomas Wayne

    You guys are cute. But no one cares.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Wasn't that your personal TALE OF TWO CITIES, rancor?

    by bah

  • May 20, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Hardy couldn't suck worse than he did in "Nemesis"

    by cookylamoo

  • May 20, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Egads! What a monster!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I know Hardy was lacked for BRONSON but that looks, almost, obscene. Batsy is definitely going to have his hands full fighting that dude.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Except mattman:

    by cookylamoo

    How someone who "Doesn't have a plan" is able to smuggle fifty tons of explosives into a hospital.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Of course joker had a plan.

    by Saracen1

    Couldn't you fucking figure it out that Joker was lying through his teeth to Two-Face just to get him prodded down the desired path? Oh and Bane looks great. Finally, "Gimp" comments automatically qualifies you as a brain-dead, drooling imbecile.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST

    my biggest TDK question

    by jules windex

    What happened to the cute geeky Anthony Michael Hall of Vacation?

  • May 20, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST

    superman76...TDK plot holes/inconsistencies/implausibilities:

    by Billy_D_Williams

    bank robbery - How did Joker plan in the beginning heist for the kids’ schoolbuses to have such a perfectly timed gap in between them for him to drive his own schoolbus into during his escape? They just drove behind each other in congested traffic with a huge enough gap between them for another school bus to just jump into? And Joker somehow planned for this? joker raids wayne party - joker is harassing guests, batman shows up without joker or his henchman seeing him, even though batman clearly says "then you're gonna love me" within speaking distance of the joker, not even a reaction from party guests when batman entered the room, which would've alerted henchman, assuming they didn't see him first Batman leaves a party of billionaires upstairs alone with the Joker to save Rachel Dawes. The Joker was up there searching for Harvey Dent. We never cut back upstairs to find out what happened after he saves Rachel. Did the Joker just give up and leave? Did Batman even try to go up and catch him? We never find out because it just jumps to the next scene. The movie is loaded with tons of inexplicable scene jumps like this joker is captured - If Gordon had the foresight to fake his own death to capture the Joker, why does the Joker still have the upper hand in jail? and how did he perfectly time his capture with the capture of the fat guy with the cell phone in his stomach knowing exactly when he would pass out??? The Joker acts all along like he doesn’t want to be captured, he wants to capture the Batman, and he doesn’t know Gordon is alive, he doesn’t even know Dent isn’t the Batman until the chase ensues. Yet he also has this intricate “back-up” plan to capture Dent and Lau and bust himself out of jail in case he fails? The Joker in TDK resembled more “Q” from “Star Trek: The Next Generation” with his seemingly unlimited omniscience than the actual Joker from the comic books The Joker, who has killed dozens and terrorized Gotham, fought the Batman hand-to-hand to a standstill and pretty much revealed himself to be the A-number one badass on the planet, is left in an interrogation room (not a cell, mind you)...unshackled...alone... with a single, middle aged cop in a suit. Now, the holding cell that has the Joker's crony with the cell phone-bomb inside him appears to have an entire precinct full of cops in it. But the Joker? One old dude. Who either has a key, or just has the door unlocked, because the Joker quickly takes him hostage and walks into the other room. Dent/face burn - the gasoline is clearly covering much of his face, yet when he's burned, one whole side is left completely untouched When Harvey Dent goes on his rampage, he is apparently wearing the suit he was wearing during the explosion. This should not be the case, because the suit would have been cut off his body when he was admitted to medical care, rendering it unwearable. Joker/Batman interrogation - During the interrogation scene the Joker refers to Rachel as Harvey's "Bride-to-be" however Rachel hadn't yet accepted Harvey's proposal, and in any case there's no way for the Joker to have even known that Harvey had proposed since they did it in private. Joker is locked up - the cops lock the Joker up without ever bothering to remove his makeup and send a picture of his unmade-up face to every federal and local law enforcement bureau in an effort to uncover his identity two boats scene - boat full of people who know they're going to die unless they push the one pushes the button or even tries to rush and grab the detonator out of sheer basic human survival kidnapping scene - Luscious Fox has no problem helping Wayne kidnapping and extraditing foreign national but can't seem to handle Batman having sonar power at the end? last act - Bruce Wayne is shown as unable to do anything technical without Lucius Fox’s assistance, yet at the end he miraculously can suddenly singlehandedly use and upgrade the sonar trick Lucius Fox showed him earlier and create a program to somehow make every cell phone in Gotham City broadcast a video signal that he can watch through some space-age lenses that cover his eyes in the Batsuit and are fed through a supercomputer in his secret lair. (So the Joker having chalk white skin and having over-the-top fun fight scenes are too ludricous for Nolan’s “realistic” vision, but that crazy tech wasn’t?) Lau - (excerpt taken from imdb forum) Okay, Harvey Dent is supposed to be some hotshot District Attorney right? And his fiancee is a rising star Assistant DA in his office? And they spend all their time together? Well let’s look at their stellar legal work in action: they were trying to use Lau as a means to incriminate all the crime heads in Chicago (I mean Gotham). Apparently, they got Batman to go all the way to China, risk his life, illegally kidnap a Chinese citizen who had not been convicted or even indicted on any US-based crime, and bring him back for questioning and they didnt have an actual plan. They had NO IDEA what to nail him on, they just knew that he was the money-man for the mob. So, when he finally admits to being the banker for numerous criminal organizations, Harvey has a eureka moment with Rachel and blurts we can get them on RICO!?, presuming of course they can prove just one of the organizations pooling their money with Lau had committed crimes. A bit of education: RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) is a US federal law. That means HAD that been the case that Harvey chose to pursue that path, he would have to hand over the entire case to a FEDERAL court, taking it completely out of his hands to prosecute – his jurisdiction was at a city level for Chicago (I mean Gotham). He was not a federal prosecutor. If he was, he would be referred to in the movie as a United States Attorney. If some want to argue semantics that he was a federal attorney and merely referred to as a District Attorney, that argument will fail because such positions are appointed by the President of the United States. They are not elected to that position, as is the case with Harvey Dent (its pretty clear in both the viral marketing and election context of the movie). That was just one flaw with that segment; another flaw is the fact that Lau’s lawyer just stood there doing nothing while Harvey and Rachel were using unjust tactics to pressure him to talk, making implications they would place his life in danger based on how much he cooperates. Because, without those tactics, they didn?t seem to even have a clue of what to get Lau to admit to which might implicate the criminals they were after. So basically these legal eagles didn’t think of the RICO statute, simply the most obvious and most-used statute used against the mob, until a EUREKA! moment occurred during an interrogation.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Bane Not Doomsday clone

    by Katet19

    I agree that Bane was a knee jerk reaction to the popularity of death of superman in concept. But if you think they're similar brainless goons you didn't actually read Vengeance of Bane or Knightfall. He's Batman's equal in every way brought up as a child in a prison serving out his father's sentence. He's a self made monster who uses fear, strength, and superior skill to rule the prison and then sets his sights on Gotham. He outhinks Batman at every turn running him ragged with calculated strikes and then literally breaks him. The crippling of Batman was the gimmick not Bane. I think in Nolan's hands the concept of a dark and savage mirror image of Batman could be very effective.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST


    by 2soon2eat

    Is the section over his mouth supposed to look like some kind of skeleton hand???? My first thought when I saw this is that its a clever hoax.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Saracen1, you are right, in a ways

    by david starling

    I don't know of the argument you are having, but the Joker's plan in the Dark Knight is similar to his plan in the graphic novel The Killing Joke - that is, he is trying to prove that through a single core line of misfortune and pain, he can make someone as twisted and insane as he is. It is not without changes of course (we never see what causes the Joker's insanity, unlike the Killing Joke), but yes, you are largely right.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST


    by elsewhere

    It's a movie. A movie based on a comic book. Sometimes you have to suspend disbelief.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:23 p.m. CST

    I never had any doubt for Hardy!!

    by david starling

    He was born to play Bane!! I still want to see Hathaway as Catwoman (yes, she is hot!! But I just want to see if she fits into the catsuit properly!!).

  • May 20, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Mouthpiece looks like skeleton fingers

    by kafka07

    Hardy wasn't kidding when he said he had to put on a lot of muscle for the role.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    billy_d_williams... oh my god dude...

    by Astronut

    SERIOUSLY??!! LONG VERSION: There are all sorts of things we, the viewer, do not get to see during a film's progression... events that we can't "see" which take place during other scenes we are watching. Maybe you want to have films broken into 30 segregated boxes, where you can watch every character in every action simultaneously throughout the entire film? Would that be better? Who knows what lengths the Joker went to in order to "synchronize" the bus caravan after the bank robbery... and more importantly, WHO CARES??!!! SHORT VERSION: IT'S A FUCKING MOVIE, MAN — ENJOY IT!!! ENJOY LIFE!!!!!!

  • May 20, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST

    ah, the ol

    by Billy_D_Williams

  • May 20, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST

    ah, the ol' "its just a movie" defense to explain away plot holes...lovely

    by Billy_D_Williams

  • May 20, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST

    plot holes

    by 2soon2eat

    I think 'plot holes" implies a really big flaw in logic, not a lack of realism or unlikely events.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    how about the Joker got lucky

    by elsewhere

    with his exit strategy and he just happen to fit snuggly in between to other buses? That's not an impossibility nor a plot hole.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    I don't necessarily mind haters if they have valid points but

    by kafka07

    you TDK haters simply didn't pay attention to the film.

  • ... but if I did have the time I would.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST

    btw billy_d_williams, I picked the first one you listed

    by Astronut

    So relax and have a colt 45

  • May 20, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Agreed, Billy_D


    That whole Gordon faking his death bit (with NO ONE ELSE knowing about it), and the Joker being 100% prepared for it, even though he took the bait of Dent pretending to be Batman ... which Gordon knew would happen because he faked his death because he knew he'd have a chance to confront the Joker ... etc. etc. etc. One of the more egregious series of plot holes and contrivances in recent memory. But, hey, IT'S JUST A MOVIE, right? So sayeth the people who challenged you to identify the holes in TDK, anyway.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Frankly, "realism" doesn't mean the movie has to be "reality."


    But is it too much to ask of a movie to be logical?

  • But that shouldn't be our job. Nor am I advocating endless exposition or needless scenes to explain everything away (AHEM, INCEPTION, AHEM), but it should make sense.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Gordon's death faked... "with NO ONE ELSE knowing about it"

    by Astronut

    CIA, FBI, NSA........... they hide life and death (among other major events) without anyone finding out about it for YEARS.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Looks like

    by Rodie

    a skeleton hand is on the front of the mask part covering his mouth. Creepy!

  • May 20, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST



    But those are GROUPS of people who are working together to hide shit. If anything is clear in TDK it's that Gordon did it all by himself. No one at the scene could tell he was wearing a flak jacket???

  • May 20, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    ^ Sucking the joy out of films. Lame

    by RobertoInfinite

  • May 20, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST

    take Burton's Batman for instance...

    by Billy_D_Williams

    Joker takes Vale hostage in museum...when Batman crashes through the ceiling glass to save Vicky Vale from Joker, it was theatrical and allowed Batman to enter the museum without initially being worked for the nature of the character while also solving a geography problem so what do we get in Nolan's TDK??? Joker takes Rachel hostage at party...Batman just somehow appears next to the Joker in a giant room without anyone initially seeing him??? Nolan's Batman films are full of ridiculous contrivances and inconsistencies like that, its just lazy writing/filmmaking...say what you want about Burton's Batman, but at least the movie holds up...TDK falls to piece when you take off the rose colored Nolan glasses

  • although the pic looks damn cool.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    That glow in the background...

    by jamestewart007

    Anyone else take a good look at that glow in the background? Looks like a big animal eye to me. Like a wolf or something. It was put there for a reason, too. Way to center of the photo to not mean anything. I'm not to familiar with Bane. Does he wrestle bears or anything like tat for fun?

  • May 20, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    I warned about feeding the TDK sucks trolls....

    by RobertoInfinite

  • May 20, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST

    here is a high res version...

    by jamestewart007

  • May 20, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST

    COuld be bats eyes in the pic

    by RobertoInfinite

  • May 20, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST


    by Astronut

    Is it established that no one else knew Gordon had the plan in place? I can't remember. Also... let's say no one else * did * know about the plan................ okay.................. it might make sense because due to the nature of what was happening around the city, Gordon KNEW he could not trust anyone................ he could not trust ANYONE!! I don't think it's such a stretch... I mean, like you said above, some things are giant plot holes and other things are things which can be surmised.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:47 p.m. CST

    I'm Shocked...

    by Joe Damiani

    at the mostly possitive comments on the Bane picture. No crying, whining or genera bitching about the mask being different from the comic. What's the world coming to?

  • May 20, 2011, 3:47 p.m. CST

    My beef with Dark Knight is more the muddled message.

    by cookylamoo

    Nolan, after "proving" through the two ferries plot that people, left alone, are capable of making the right decisions has Batman and Gordon decide that those same average citizens "Can't Handle the Truth" about Harvey Dent. So they lie about him when all you really have to say he was disfigured and went kind of nuts. Anyway, to accomplish this needless plan, Batman decides to sacrifice himself and become an outlaw, which, I might point out, he is anyway.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:48 p.m. CST

    His Belt

    by grassh0pperunit

    Here's batman's belt:

  • May 20, 2011, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Billy Dee...

    by Steve

    It grossed Half a billion.... I think you are the minority.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST

    no one actually seeing him

    by 2soon2eat

    Did you interview all the guests at his party? Did they all agree that NO ONE, even someone "off camera" saw him? Do the script notes say "and like, NO ONE totally sees him, and shit".

  • May 20, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    It's just a fancy nebulizer...

    by Somerichs

    When my son gets sick he uses one that looks like a chicken... :)

  • Dude. I am in no way trying to be cruel or an A-hole but how old are you? I am being serious. I say this because there are literally HUNDREDS OF FILMS containing these sorts of "imperfect" things — with the notion that, "hey, maybe it's not such a big deal as long as the scene is entertaining and it is reasonably believable..." Reasonably believable. Based on the overall believability of the film to BEGIN with. And when you bought your movie ticket, you bought into the idea of a man soaring through the sky as a bat, flipping around dodging bullets and death every ten minutes. How believable is THAT? Do you want every scene where a superhero shows up to include the entire crowd to gasp "Ooooooo! Look! It's Blahbitty-Blah Man!" I don't. I like variety. Try watching movies for enjoyment instead of treating them as math equations or science projects.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    How could Gordon act alone in faking his death?


    He's a major police official shot dead in front of the whole city. The paramedics would have had to be in on it, the medical staff of the hospital would have had to be in on it, and the people who caught his apparently dead body after he was shot would have had to be in on it since they would have felt his flak jacket. So, in a city where you can't trust anyone, as the movie hammers over your head time and time again, he sure would have to count on a lot of people to keep that secret. It was such a secret that Harvey Dent ("You really do play things close to the vest.") or Batman didn't know. Doesn't add up. Sorry, but it doesn't.

  • May 20, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Nothing you mentioned Billy D is a "plot hole"

    by IndustryKiller!

    You just find it hard to believe these characters could pull of extraordinary feats. That's not flaws in the actual plot.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST


    by eric haislar

    You are clearly picking apart a film just to pick it apart. Batman 89 let's see I can do this to. Only Joker, Vicki, and Batman ascended the cathedral stairs, and Joker's helicopter wouldn't arrive for quite some time. So how did the Joker's henchmen get on the roof? The Joker publicly announces that he will be throwing a big parade in the streets of Gotham. The police have been after him throughout the whole movie, yet they're nowhere to be seen during the parade, the easiest time to capture him. During the final confrontation with The Joker in the bell tower Batman says "you killed my parents, you say I made you, you made first", then Joker says "I was just a kid when I killed your parents". The Joker could not respond in that way, given that he doesn't know that Batman is Bruce Wayne. See it can be done with any movie. get of your high horse.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    ALL of your Joker complaints are easily brushed aside by

    by IndustryKiller!

    saying because he's the Joker and he's clever. He got out of the building the same way he smuggled tons of gasoline onto Ferrys. If you want a 20 minute sequence detailing how a villain that no one would argue with you is impossible in the real world sets up all his plots then it's not the Dark Knight you have a problem with, its any film that contains fantastic elements. But nothing the Joker does int hat film is really impossible, just highly improbable, just like Bruce Wayne being Batman is, and I don't see you asking why no one recognizes Bruce Wayne, well all of your gripes are on that level of inquiry. If you can't go with a film that establishes its world immediately as a place where massively complicated crimes are possible because your villain is that much smarter than everyone else then that's your problem and not at all a flaw of the film.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    TDK Acolytes = 9/11 Truthers = Religious fundamentalists


    Forget logic. Forget objective evidence. Typical exchange: Someone critical of TDK: "It's a fun movie with some great things about it, but there are some glaring plot holes and illogical leaps, and it doesn't really hold up." TDK Acolyte: "What plot holes??????? There are no plot holes!!!!!" Someone critical of TDK: "Gordon's faked death, how the Joker's plans are perfect to an absolute T, Batman appearing out of nowhere in a well-lit room in front of about a hundred people, etc. ... " TDK Acolyte: "You're nitpicking! It's just a movie!"

  • May 20, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST

    The most disturbing scene in TDK

    by cookylamoo

    Was Batman being paraded through a room full of policeman and allowed to interrogate the Joker. It was just so WRONG! Don't we all have nightmares about being arrested and then interrogated by someone in a Halloween costume?

  • May 20, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST

    It's completely fair and acceptable to love a flawed movie.


    But don't deny the flaws and then whine when confronted by actual evidence of them.

  • I just find Batman Begins to be more enjoyable. Still very excited for Nolan's 3rd Batman - people can bitch about him all they want, I'd see pretty much anything he makes.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST


    by eric haislar

    No thats the movie you used to compare batman entering the room. So it's fair game.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    The movie Philadelphia

    by sewer_mask

    had many plot holes.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:08 p.m. CST

    And stop arguing Billy D witht he "its popular" argument

    by IndustryKiller!

    It's a stupid argument and it cheapens your position. I have no problem engaging Billy D and detailing why he's incorrect on far more logical and defensible terms.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Burton's Batman can be forgiven some of it's

    by Samuel Fulmer

    logic leaps since it's a flat out over the top operetic comic book film. So much of it is just not in the realm of reality, that a lot is overlooked. Dark Knight is trying to makeover Batman into a gritty/pseudo realistic crime epic. When you go that direction, the plot holes and silliness are magnified.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Kinda of like Q from Star Trek, Billy

    by IndustryKiller!

    That's about the level of brilliance Bruce Wayne has established int eh comics. Obviously not God like, but he certainly seems to be wherever trouble is brewing and yes theres an element of magic to it, this is the world clearly layed out in comic book universes man.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Macho Man was good

    by sewer_mask

    But Rick "The Model" Martel was GREAT!

  • No one would argue that their feats are CLEARLY impossible

  • May 20, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST


    by eric haislar

    Because there not plot holes. You as the viewer are just not privy to the information. A plot whole is a whole in the actual plot of the film like Citizen Cane. A bunch of reporters try to figure out the meaning of "Rosebud." Only no one is around to hear his last words. So the whole film technically should not have happened but guess what no ones cares because it's still a great film.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST



    Fantastic elements are one thing, but there has to be a certain level of plausibility if you're making a movie with a "realistic" tone. Is the Joker a supernatural being? No, he is not. Nolan outsmarted himself. He tried to make a "realistic" Batman movie, but he set up all these fantastic situations that would require all kinds of leaps of logic to validate. It's one crisis to the next, logical connections and cause-and-effect be damned. Despite the good (in the case of Ledger, great) performances, the Pfister cinematography, the narrative momentum, an amazing score, TDK is essentially one long MacGruber episode. It didn't have to be written that way. It is a flaw of the movie.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:16 p.m. CST

    I'm actually hoping the Lazarus Pits do end up in TDKR.


    This series could use a little more fantasy. And I mean actual fantasy, not the kind you need to explain away plot holes, contrivances and conveniences.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Plot Holes

    by sewer_mask

    New York's got tons of em'

  • May 20, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    My Favorite logic gap is in "Batman Returns"

    by cookylamoo

    Where the Penguin throws a political rally to announce he's running for mayor and a big crowd comes out to cheer him. During the rally, the Penguin is exposed as a crook and the crowd turns against him and begins pelting him with vegetables. So, you've got to ask, why did the crowd bring rotten tomatoes to the rally of a candidate they liked? Were the hedging their bets, or had someone told them to pack tomatoes just in case? I also think that the Best Batman villain ever was Christopher Walken.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Plot holes in Dark Knight don't bother me

    by Samuel Fulmer

    It was just the rushed Two Face bit and Maggie Gyllenhaal's horrible perfomance. It was hard to buy that these two guys cared for her when she was so uncharasmatic. I can't stand Katie Holmes, but in Batman Begins she brought the right amount of down to earth earnestness that Gyllenhaal just couldn't pull off. I still like the movie, but it's got a lot to do with that amazing Batman/Joker interrogation scene then anything else.

  • It is nowhere near the same conditions under which Wayne trained with Ras. All of those guys were dressed the same, Wayne was drugged, and it was a shadowy, poorly lit room.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Lol, a man in a bat costume

    by NotEnoughBiehn

    sneaking through a crowd. Right.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    cookylamoo-Actually that scene in Batman Returns

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Has the comment from Penguin, "Why do people always bring rotten vegetables to a rally?" or something along those lines. The scene was actually meant as a satire of such scenes as indicated by the dialogue.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:21 p.m. CST

    I like Nolan's films a lot

    by Samuel Fulmer

    But I like Batman Begins, Memento, and Inception more than I do The Dark Knight.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:21 p.m. CST


    by sewer_mask

  • May 20, 2011, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Could it be that.....

    by cookylamoo

    Everyone was so entranced by the Joker's "Scars" monologue that no one noticed Batman slowly creeping between their legs.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:23 p.m. CST

    People have unrealistic expectations

    by NotEnoughBiehn

    of what ninjas and guys with muscles can do. Yeah it's a fantasy movie, but some people think that shit works in the real world too.

  • The Joker could know and predict everything because he was actually an agent of the Brotherhood of Shadows and he was dipped in THE LAZARUS PITS! Batman could materialize in a well-lit room full of people without them noticing because, in a flashback, we'll see that he was dipped in THE LAZARUS PITS! And so was Jim Gordon, too!

  • May 20, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST


    by Billy_D_Williams

  • May 20, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST

    looks like Bane is a biter

    by Tarantinos_Forehead

    explains the muzzle

  • May 20, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST

    What did Macho Man think about The Dark Knight?

    by Samuel Fulmer

    "Oh Yeahhh, it's good, but just a little overrated, kind of like Hulk Hogan brother!"

  • May 20, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST

    The veggie scene in Batman Returns was pretty silly.


    But the reference was funny because of the delivery by DeVito, and it fit with the over-the-top tone of the movie. And here's another thing about that: it was a throwaway gag that didn't factor into the mechanics of the plot! Pretty much every issue with TDK that billy_d enumerated were essential parts of the plot.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST

    mattman-It's called satire

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Or were you too sad that Penguin didn't look like he did in the beloved Adam West shows to notice.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Batman Returns is actually making fun of Batman

    by Samuel Fulmer

    And in a preaty intelligent subversive way I might add.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST


    by richievanderlow

    I started reading your long diatribe halfway up the page, and I'll just say that if you demand that level of detail in a movie about a deranged clown and a guy who dresses up in armor, cape and a mask to fight criminals.. you're probably not allowing yourself to sit back and just enjoy the movie for what it is, and that's sad.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST

    What about Bruce Wayne DJing w/a CD in Batman Returns

    by Tarantinos_Forehead

  • May 20, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Some great movies have big plot holes.


    How the fuck are they have to keep King Kong sedated on the SS Venture all the way back to NYC? The "Rosebud" issue in Citizen Kane. (Although you could defend it by saying his staff had heard him mutter "Rosebud" in the days before he died, and then, clearly money hungry as the one butler is shown to be, the staff could have plausibly tweaked it to make it more sensational, meaning more money for them. And, frankly, if at the end of Kane, you're asking yourself, "Well, what the fuck did it mean anyway?" then the movie did its job since the whole point is to make you question what defines a person.) Indy on the submarine in Raiders. I love all of those movies, but I'm not going to piss and moan and whine and scream when someone says they don't like those movies because of the plot holes.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST

    What about Batman killing people in Batman Returns

    by Tarantinos_Forehead

  • May 20, 2011, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Gotta go, but Ill be back tonight

    by IndustryKiller!

    Billy D and Choppah. I'd like to continue this discussion

  • May 20, 2011, 4:32 p.m. CST

    What about Lando Calrisian as Harvy Dent in Batman

    by Tarantinos_Forehead

  • May 20, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    What about Alfred just letting Vicky Vale into the FUCKING Batcave?

    by Tarantinos_Forehead

  • May 20, 2011, 4:34 p.m. CST

    I can't guarantee I'll be here, industrykiller.


    CHOPPAH is a man of many responsibilities. There are CHOPs to be made in many of the world's corners.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Batman killed Ras Al Ghul in BB ffs

    by KilliK

    talk about respecting the character there.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST

    "What about Batman killing people in Batman Returns"

    by NotEnoughBiehn

    It was awesome?

  • May 20, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Why didn't anyone at the party notice Batman?

    by The Garbage Man

    Golly, I dunno... maybe because they were all focused on the guy dressed like a clown, brandishing weapons and threatening to kill everyone? And it was already established Wayne had built secret doors and passages in his penthouse, the better for sneaking. How did Joker 100% plan for Gordon? He didn't. It's obvious his plan was to kill Dent/Batman/anyone in the way, but his backup plan was the fat guy with the phone bomb in case Joker was captured and jailed.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST

    What about Pee-Wee Herman as Penguin's Dad?

    by Tarantinos_Forehead

  • May 20, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST

    What about Selina Kyle having 9 lives because cats licked her?

    by Tarantinos_Forehead

  • May 20, 2011, 4:37 p.m. CST

    How the fuck are they *ABLE* to



  • May 20, 2011, 4:37 p.m. CST

    What about Michael Keaton having Sinefeild hair?

    by Tarantinos_Forehead

  • May 20, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST

    plot holes...

    by IronSpidey

    "Hey everybody! You know that thing you like? It sucks. Stop liking it. Acknowledge my superiority!" Do you guys know you are assholes?

  • May 20, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST

    What about A manilla envelope blocking ACID in Batman forever??

    by Tarantinos_Forehead

  • May 20, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST

    ironspidey is insecure about his taste in movies.


    Everyone has to like what he likes or he gets angry.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST

    What about Batman & Robin?...yeah the WHOLE Movie.

    by Tarantinos_Forehead

  • May 20, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    What about Robin's short-shorts back in the day?

    by Tarantinos_Forehead

  • May 20, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    "Do I look like a guy with a plan?"

    by elsewhere

    Of course you don't. You look batshit insane. BUT THATS THE FUCKING POINT! My gawd some of you are dense.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:42 p.m. CST

    i.e. You just gotta ignor shit sometimes :D

    by Tarantinos_Forehead

  • May 20, 2011, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Batman didn't kill R'as... he just didn't save him

    by Tarantinos_Forehead

    like WHAT BATMAN SAID IN THE MOVIE pay attention

  • May 20, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Batman: Master of the ninja art....

    by cookylamoo

    of crawling under woman's dresses and between men's legs until he reaches his goal.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:49 p.m. CST


    by notcher

    So I can FUCKING PUKE!!!!!!

  • May 20, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST

    wish Liam Neesen is in this

    by Tarantinos_Forehead

  • May 20, 2011, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Batman did kill Ras by letting him die

    by KilliK

    The REAL Batman wouldnt have done that.fuck he even shoot the ressurected Robin in order to save Joker who was his hostage. Dont try to excuse Nolan's mistep with such a baseless argument,you only insult your intelligence.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:57 p.m. CST

    The guy with the plan line again? Ugh!

    by notcher

    Well, guess I have to spell it out for you guys again. Joker was talking about having an overall plan beyond just the near future. Joker blew shit up and maybe planned a hit or two, but beyond that, he didn't care, he was all about the moment. That's what he meant, Jesus!!! And as for the "Why didn't anyone see Batman at the party? That's SOOO a plot hole!" No, it's not, aside from everyone watching the Joker who's clearly nuts, and the henchman watching the people and the Joker, who says nobody saw Batman, but what the fuck is anyone gonna say anyway, "Look Mr. Joker, it's Batman!!!!" Nitpicky little fucks aren't you!!!

  • May 20, 2011, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Ras had just killed thousands of people

    by cookylamoo

    No sane person would have gone out of the way to save him. Not even semi-sane Bruce Wayne.

  • May 20, 2011, 4:59 p.m. CST


    by Billy_D_Williams

  • May 20, 2011, 5 p.m. CST

    killik, exactly

    by Billy_D_Williams

  • By blowing up the building. Great way to piss on the character.

  • I can't wait for this 3rd entry. Everything is shaping up for what should be a truly amazing film.

  • May 20, 2011, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Bruce Wayne killed Ras Al Gul in BB.FACT.

    by KilliK

    when he didnt know his true identity he save his life.But he learned who he really was he let him die. Ergo Nolanverse Batman is a killer.FACT.

  • May 20, 2011, 5:02 p.m. CST

    So.. Batman let the IMMORTAL Ra's Al Ghul die. The same Ra's in TDKR?

    by Tarantinos_Forehead

    how about that?

  • May 20, 2011, 5:02 p.m. CST

    July 2012 can't get here fast enough

    by Dark Knight Lite

    Driving home from the first midnight showing of TDK, my wife aske me who I thought the villian would be for the sequel. I replied that Catwoman would be a logical choice with Rachel gone, but Batman needed a truly formidible foe. Thinking about it a bit, I speculated that we might see Bane or possibly Frank Miller's Mutant Leader as the BIG BAD. Obviously I'm quite pleased with the way this is shaping up. Hardy is an inspired choice, and I hope he brings the BRONSON.

  • May 20, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST

    @ the_choppah

    by IronSpidey

    Okay, for your next trick...what's my favorite color? Seriously though, you've got me completely wrong. I think everyone is entitled to enjoy whatever movies they enjoy. It's people like you who go around playing opinion police and raining negativity down on everyone's enjoyment of something that piss me off. In the real world, I could ignore you or have an actual adult conversion about the film. Unfortunately, this is the internet. Here your combination of immaturity and willingness to waste time repeating the same obnoxious arguments make trying to engage in thoughtful or logical discourse with an you impossibility. Now please excuse me, I've got to go back to enjoying things.

  • May 20, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Reality/plotholes in movies, Billy d

    by The Edges Hat

    Superman was wearing the wrong shade of blue. How can we possibly believe in an alien from Krypton who gets his powers via our sun and is virtually indestructible if it's not the blue that was in issue 32 of Action Comics??? Hold on a minute... how did Indy's hat stay on during his adventures too?? Surely thanks to the laws of physics and the incompatibility of sweat with the felt of his hat prove that this would not be possible??? FFS they're films! What was the word Donner used? Versimilitude. Believing in the world you're being taken through. Suspend your disbelief a little, enjoy watching and believing in something that's not real for a couple of hours. If that doesn't work, go and give yourself a happy... Sounds like you need it.

  • May 20, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    I had the same thought robertoinfinite.

    by Lucifer Haywood

    that would be cool.

  • May 20, 2011, 5:05 p.m. CST

    if Ra's is dead then he technicaly killed himself

    by Tarantinos_Forehead

    if Ra's didn't start shit with Wayne & Gotham then Batman wouldn't have "Not saved him"

  • May 20, 2011, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Also Batman saved Ra's in earlier in the movie

    by Tarantinos_Forehead

  • May 20, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Also GORDON was the one that shot the train tracks

    by Tarantinos_Forehead

    so if anyone killed Ra's it was Gordon. I believe Gordon is allowed to kill the bad guys. like i said PAY ATTENTION.

  • May 20, 2011, 5:09 p.m. CST

    There IS a difference between.....

    by notcher

    Letting someone die who put THEMSELVES in harms way and actually physically killing someone!!!! Fuck some of you people are dumb, you're like Republicans, you try and conjure up the lamest arguments to try and discredit what everyone else likes. Fuck!!!

  • May 20, 2011, 5:09 p.m. CST


    by richievanderlow

    Couple of thoughts about the Joker not having a plan and how things went down related to the hospital. 1. The message the Joker was talking to Harvey about regarding chaos/anarchy wasn't a literal statement that he didn't have a plan. It was more of the tool he utilized to carry out his ultimate plan, to bring about the fall of Gotham. . 2. I always thought that blowing up the hospital was one of multiple 'plans' that gave him options. Within that overall plan was the chaos of not knowing which one he would carry out. He wasn't going to upset his plan by giving Harvey the opportunity to kill him. That was a complete variable that he embraced and plays well if you consider he really doesn't have a 'plan'. I've always thought he did have a master plan, which was for Gotham to implode into chaos. If Harvey would have killed him then it would have cemented Harvey's fall from grace in the eyes of the public and sent Gotham into a tailspin, certainly his only real objective. When Harvey let him go, he followed through on the leveling of the Hospital. Either way Harvey Dent was well on his way into a descent that the Joker thought would be his 'Ace in the hole'.

  • May 20, 2011, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Some spoilers found browsing around, not verifiable

    by PedroM

    - - Read it at your will - - Actually, just go here:

  • May 20, 2011, 5:11 p.m. CST

    "opinion police"


    Wah wah! CHOPPED.

  • May 20, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST

    The Joker says he's a man without a plan, but in reality he is.


    Actually, I don't see this bit as a plot hole. Rather, it fits perfectly with his ironic, psychotically trollface philosophy. He's a liar, and you take him at face value at your peril. It's how elaborate and too-on-the-nose predictive of events and human behavior his plans are that defies logic.

  • May 20, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST

    he is *A MAN WITH A PLAN.*


    Oh, what I'd give for an edit feature.

  • May 20, 2011, 5:17 p.m. CST

    tarantinos_forehead vs. gandolfinis_forehead

    by sewer_mask

    Fight to the Death, Winner Takes All.... WHO WINS!?

  • May 20, 2011, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Ummm... Couldn't the Joker be lying about the whole "not having a plan" thing??

    by Tarantinos_Forehead

    Bad Guys DO lie believe it or not

  • May 20, 2011, 5:21 p.m. CST

    the edges hat...

    by Billy_D_Williams

    none of the things you described hinged on the plot, the holes in TDK i mentioned were specific things that the plot hinged on... the plot of Superman does not hinge on the right shade of blue in his fucking cape apples and oranges

  • May 20, 2011, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Really Geoffrey, I'm no genius like you?

    by notcher

    I love your "war paint" argument, why, because it makes no sense. You could make that argument about pretty much any movie in history where someone where's a costume. I'd laugh at a guy dressed like Spiderman or Batman or fucking limitless others. It's a fine line you must draw between accepting the movie as part comic, part realism meshed together. Your nitpicking complaints are hypocritical, name me a great comic book movie and I'll give you a similar bullshit complaint. If you didn't like something, just own up to it instead of coming up with a bullshit reason for why it wasn't good. "Duh, I didn't like Batman cuz Gordon wore a suit that was too expensive for being a cop!" And come on, the above post was the best thing you could come up with? A guy like me, way to not support another argument.

  • May 20, 2011, 5:27 p.m. CST

    More spoilers here

    by PedroM

    Again, not verifiable. Read at your own risk: Bane is discovered after Ra's burns down a village with the league of shadows --- every citizen completely wiped out -- they watch as the mayhem ensues. However, before leaving, a young boy rises from a BURING PIT, the boy (young bane) is covered in flames. Apparently, he doesn't even flinch which makes Ra's intrigued. They take him in and teach him everything he knows So basically, Bane's only real advantage is that he has a genetic mutation that makes him impervious to pain. No super strength or chemical enhancers

  • May 20, 2011, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Talk about plotholes

    by John

    The Burton and then Schumacher films are a whole other story.

  • May 20, 2011, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Gordon-Levitt & my last reply

    by John

    That last one was my first talkback and I was trying to reply to another thread; I goofed up. I'm wondering how Joseph Gordon-Levvitt will fit into this and if his character, John Blake, will actually be Dr. Hugo Strange or Alberto Falcone. Seems like Nolan wouldn't just leave the mob storyline hanging.

  • May 20, 2011, 5:44 p.m. CST

    A realistic version of the Penguin in the Nolanverse...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    He wouldn't go by "the Penguin." He would just be Oswald Cobblepot who has ties to the Gotham mob, who owns a fancy nightclub in Old Gotham that has an arctic theme and penguins on display. He walks with a limp, the result of a childhood disease that nearly crippled him. I envision that Oswald in the Nolvanverse wouldn't be an enemy of Batman, but of Bruce Wayne. The Cobblepot and Wayne families could have a history of bad blood, and Oswald tries to lead a hostile takeover of Wayne Industries. I see him as an enemy of Bruce in the board room, not the streets of Gotham. Imagine Philip Seymour Hoffman as this version of "the Penguin" in a Nolan Batman movie.

  • May 20, 2011, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Prof cult

    by MrJJonz

    And how dull that would be. Nothing against your idea, I just miss having any sort of fantastical element in a comic book movie. I enjoyed Thor and Iron Man far more than either of Nolan's Batmans

  • May 20, 2011, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Predicting Nolan's Take on Batman Characters (ETC)

    by jorson28

    One thing I've always found to be impressive about Nolan, and particularly his take on Batman, is that however much of a challenge it may seem to make an upcoming element, a villain or other character in the Batman "world" seem realistic and/or more believable, the approach is actually pretty obvious and straightforward when finally revealed - though, of course, no less COOL. Joker was the perfect example. I remember, when the first pictures were "leaking" along with the first "officially released" ones, everyone kept speculating that the Joker would go through various stages and, eventually, have all-white skin - KNOWING that Nolan was striving for as much realism as possible. Yet, ultimately, the only real change to his look that the Joker undergoes is between the prologue's bank robbery and his meeting with the mob after he's bought "the suit" that "wasn't cheap." Otherwise, he's just a nameless, yet very smart thug in some effectively-applied clown makeup - and, really, it just seems so obvious, in hindsight, that it would be THAT simple. 'Wanna predict what Nolan will do with any given character, at least visually? Just strip away anything that might seem like a gimmick and you've pretty much got it - like Scarecrow being Jonathan Crane wearing a burlap sack with eye-holes and a voice modulator sewed-in, but otherwise, he's still just a doctor in a regular business suit! What Rachel tells Bruce in "Batman Begins" is really the key to understanding how Nolan interprets these characters for a "real world" setting - they're defined by what they DO as opposed to how they look, which is sometimes the other-way-around in comic books that maybe need to rely more on imagery at first because you don't hear any voices or see actual movemevent or body language. With Bane, IF this is actually a still from the shoot (which would pretty much have to be from London), I really don't think there will be much else to see or discover beyond the performance itself (and, of course, the color of the pants, which seems to be gray but it's hard to tell). I'm more interested in the "Young Ra's Al Ghul" and Catwoman, who - if she's a criminal at all - will probably be called "The Cat," if anything, the way she was in the first few comics. Then again, with the Holly Robinson character present, I'm betting the character is a cross between Miller's Year One prostitute (wasn't she black, though, in that book?) and the criminally-minded socialite in The Long Halloween. To conclude, the only thing I even remotely worry about is the size of the cast - the fact that, given this is the LAST of the Nolan films AND the end of his Batman's career as a crimefighter (allegedly) - and the fact that we don't really know who everyone is playing, so I hope Nolan doesn't succumb to any kind of studio pressure to just cram as many villains and cameos into this as possible. As much as I'd love to see a cinematic Hugo Strange or someone, Bane and Catwoman are enough to build a story around - especially for Nolan - and just about anyone else, including Strange, would deserve more than just a cameo and, thus, be given a disservice with their potentially hamfisted and hasty inclusion.

  • Come on Tom kick his ass!!

  • And I mean ANY movie. Granted thats not to say plot holes are welcome, but just the same, if the movie was enjoyable enough it can be forgiven on purely entertainment grounds. It also doesnt mean that those plot holes arent there, its just that in the grand scheme, who gives a fuck? Batman 89' was rad, so was The Dark Knight. These movies are fictional and trying to find truth in a fictional medium is like trying to find a genius at the special olympics, it aint happenin.

  • May 20, 2011, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Big fan of TDK


    Saw it four times in the theater. Flawless victory in cinema.

  • The Penguin could be an opposite to Bruce Wayne, a businessman, whose company is not afraid to sell weapons as opposed to Wayne Industries. The film series' theme of escalation could be further developed and resolved. I think the Penguin may make an appearance, Joseph Gordon-Levitt would be a great Penguin in the Nolan version.

  • May 20, 2011, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Anyone took part in the TDK ARG

    by PedroM

    I did, and it was awesome. Got a Joker card meself and saw the first full on trailer in the cinema.

  • May 20, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST


    by Shaun1138

    This looks promising.

  • May 20, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    In the comics...

    by cgh123

    Batman always appears and vanishes in front of people. It's part of his mystique.

  • Man, you have such bad taste in film.

  • May 20, 2011, 6:48 p.m. CST


    by MrJJonz

    Neither of those films would get anywhere near my favourite films but as comic book movies I enjoyed myself alot more whilst watching them then I did the Nolan Batman films. It's not a judgement on the technical aspects or writing or performances, its just a personal enjoyment of the ride at the time. If that means I have shitty taste in all films then I shall hang my head in shame thanks to your savvy judgement.

  • May 20, 2011, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Looks Good....

    by BlackBriar

    So far looks pretty damn good..

  • In The Dark Knight story elements take place between cuts. Plot-holes? Look up the term. School Bus entering traffic. A metaphor for how the Joker uses order and procedure to seemingly create chaos. Metaphor, not plot-hole. Batman shows up in middle of the party. In Batman Begins he learned to use misdirection. The film is told from a limited 3rd person point of view. Not every reaction of every guest must be recorded and played out in a scene. This is called an edit, used to propel the action of the plot. Skill, POV, and edit, not plot-hole. Joker captured, escapes, et al. Once again the Joker's use of order and procedure to seemingly cause chaos works in his favor. Metaphor for the Joker's abuse of the system by using the system, not a plot-hole. Dent face/suit burn: Metaphor for Dent's crumbling orderly resolve, and decent into extreme duality; not a plot-hole. Joker/Batman interrogation: Metaphorical chess game, not a plot-hole. Joker is locked up: see Joker captured, escapes, et al; not a plot-hole. two boats scene: represents of struggle of Gotham's collective consciousness against it's own fragile duality. Metaphor that characterizes the tone of the city's moral balance; not a plot-hole, essential to the story at hand. kidnapping scene: Lucius' actions represent his own duality that reflects the city's. Metaphor, not plot-hole. Lau and RICO: Gotham itself is a metaphor, Gotham is not a real city in a real country, it's a setting that's also a character, the city's legal system is an extension of that character. It's not the U.S. legal system, it's fiction, it's part of the story, it's not a plot-hole. See a pattern? See a plan? There's a third part of the story to be told.

  • May 20, 2011, 7:10 p.m. CST


    by Carven

    Anything will be better than the assclown that we got in Batman & Robin.

  • who compensate for their dogfaces,by being the sluttiest in the bed. i bet she gets it from her ass too. Still she was a bad replacement for TDK because her lizard-face made the whole love triangle and dispute a bit comedic: you have two handsome and powerful men in the city who have fallen for this fugly chick and they fight over her bug-eyes? amusing but not romantic.


  • May 20, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST

    He looks like

    by lead_sharp

    he was caught sniffing a jock strap in the gym training room.

  • May 20, 2011, 7:51 p.m. CST

    A TDK Hole no one has pointed out:

    by Citizin_insane

    When the Joker throws Rachel out of the window and Batman goes after her and saves her, they just cut to the next day. WTF? Did the Joker just decide to go home? Did Batman decide to go home? Wasnt he looking for Harvey? Wouldn't Batman go back upstairs? It just seemed like an important part of the movie they didn't tie up. There was no indication as to what any of the characters intended on doing next...

  • May 20, 2011, 8:03 p.m. CST

    killik, can you believe this guy?

    by Billy_D_Williams

  • May 20, 2011, 8:24 p.m. CST

    billy_d I just have to chime in on one point

    by darthSaul666

    I never had a problem with Batman's party entrance. Everyone seems to miss the part about MISDIRECTION. When you consider that EVERYONE in the party are staring at the Clownfaced hoods waving guns, Slipping in unnoticed would be easy to someone who's got the right training. Shit sakes if David Copperfield could make a plane dissapear in front of a packed stadium with the use of MISDIRECTION..... A cocktail party is like a step down. Though you're probably right about the RICO part but I wouldn't know enough to comment. Really I think the key is you'll find plotholes in just about any movie if you stare to seriously at them long enough.....

  • May 20, 2011, 8:44 p.m. CST

    billy_d_williams: remember that name

    by FastEddie8139

    You'll want to be able to say you knew him when after he wins the prestigious "Dude Most Likely to Go His Entire Life Without Ever Seeing a Naked Lady in Person" award at Loserthon 2012.

  • May 20, 2011, 8:45 p.m. CST

    by ignard

    still the best comicbook film of all time.

  • May 20, 2011, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Truely amazing...

    by Neil

    As much as I wanted to see Nolan's Riddler, I love the Bane character and I now know they're gonna do him justice.

  • May 20, 2011, 9:26 p.m. CST

    NO!!!!! The biggest question from TDK I have is...

    by gruemanlives

    What happened after the party scene where the joker drops Rachel from the building and batman saves her? Were the party goers and the joker just like "yeahhhh....this is awkward...."? I mean that definitely was a hole for me. As far as the Bane pic looks...looks good to me.

  • May 20, 2011, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Billy D

    by jedimastercreech

    I think you're right about attacking you personally. It's much more satsifying than listening to your shit filled mouth suck the fun out of everything. douche.

  • May 20, 2011, 9:48 p.m. CST

    billy d williams

    by IceTitan

    stop writing your entire response in the subject holy fuckin shit seriously man

  • May 20, 2011, 10:10 p.m. CST

    TOM HARDY and BANE...

    by KHjLL

    So baddass BANE was the shit in BATMAN 666 one of my favorite villains of all time... And BRONSON is one of the greatest films of all time... PICTURE looks to cool for school cannot wait for DARK KNIGHT RISES...

  • May 20, 2011, 10:19 p.m. CST

    sssooo badass...

    by KHjLL

  • May 20, 2011, 10:39 p.m. CST

    The nerd butthurt...

    by FastEddie8139

    is delicious.

  • May 20, 2011, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Matthew Modine should be in TDKR

    by TreyStoller

    Nolan always plucks a random actor out of obscurity (Rutger Hauer in Batman Begins, Eric Roberts in The Dark Knight, Tom Berenger in INCEPTION). Give Matthew Modine a break. He's already played the Joker.

  • May 20, 2011, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Eye in the background?

    by jackofhearts29

    Come on pixel geeks... what is it?

  • May 20, 2011, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Cool Tom Hardy as Ban Pic & RIP Randy "Macho Man" Savage

    by Thanos0145

    I don't really care for the Bane character but Tom Hardy will bring something great to the character. Randy Savage was my favorite wrestler when I was a little kid. His match vs.Ricky Steamboat at Wrestlemania 3 was my favorite (even though he lost). Wrestlemania 4, he won the Heavyweight title tournament. Now he is reunited in Heaven with Miss Elizabeth.

  • May 21, 2011, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Why is everyone so down on the party scene?

    by notcher

    Yeah, Joker dropped Rachel out of the window and then left with his henchmen as the partygoers watched in terror as they did when Joker entered. I'm pretty sure the Joker had an exit strategy, and I'm pretty sure Batman knew that, which is why he didn't get up and fly back up to the party. COME ON, do we really need to SEE that? NOT a hole!

  • May 21, 2011, 12:06 a.m. CST


    by Bruce Thomas Wayne

    The henchman with the cell phone in his stomach was on the fucking semi with Joker. Yeah you didn't see him, but the cop throwing him in the cell called him a cop killer....cause the henchman on that semi killed a lot of cops. Any fucking idiot could figure that out. Respond and I'll go on.

  • May 21, 2011, 12:30 a.m. CST

    When is Catwoman image going to appear?

    by old school dc

    Bane is getting very (+) response here; pressure is on for a good Catwoman interpretation. The Bar is pretty low after Halle. Will the costume look like it was stitched together using scraps?

  • May 21, 2011, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Party Scene

    by TreyStoller

    The Joker explained this in the interrogation scene: "You know, for a while there, I thought you really were Dent. The way you threw yourself after her." [LOL] The Joker went to the penthouse party looking for Harvey Dent, but Dent was nowhere to be found, only his squeeze, who steps forward and stalls the Joker. And then Batman shows up and is overly protective of Harvey's girl. So the Joker defenestrated Rachel. After Batman threw himself after her, the Joker deduced (like the audience is meant to deduce certain plot elements that don't need to be seen/explained) that the inexplicably absent Dent must be Batman. Why would he stick around when the whole reason for being there just jumped out the window?

  • May 21, 2011, 12:34 a.m. CST

    I'm sure we'll get a 15 minute monologue by Lucias Fox...

    by Jobacca

    Explaining how Bane actually has sleep apnea and has to wear the mask that was designed by Wayne Enterprises and how its made out of a special nanotech kevlar polymer...jesus,I just bored myself. Heres hoping whoever gets tapped to reboot Batman after this one actually makes the character interesting and entertaining again.....

  • May 21, 2011, 12:37 a.m. CST


    by D.Vader

  • May 21, 2011, 12:39 a.m. CST

    I guess this confirms Bane is a wrestler/Luchidor

    by D.Vader

    Or an S&M addict, and not a gangster/regular criminal.

  • May 21, 2011, 12:57 a.m. CST


    by MrLongbaugh

    I am ok with Hathaway as Catwoman, but I would have loved it if Olga Kurylenko were given a chance.

  • May 21, 2011, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Hathaway is 100 times the actress Kurylenko is

    by D.Vader

    Jeebus Christo.

  • May 21, 2011, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Boy. The absolute ugliest actor since Vin Diesel.

    by AnnoyYou

    Hardy is ridiculously overrated. He's a terrible scenery-chewing actor and a total roided up mess. Bleah. Between him and the totally annoying mugger Anne Hathaway this film is shaping up to be the Pirates of the Caribbean 4 of the Batman franchise. Ugh.

  • May 21, 2011, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Might as well ask why Jack Bauer never eats or takes a dump on 24

    by Tarantinos_Forehead

  • May 21, 2011, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Matthew Modines been cast..

    by BookhouseBoy

    Well they call him the joker!

  • May 21, 2011, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Hardy Was a Gaywad

    by Queefer Sutherland

    in Star Trek: Insurrection. Never woulda thunk the skinny little twerp in that movie would play Bane.

  • May 21, 2011, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Oops, it was Nemesis

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Sorry. The last two TNG films were so wretched I've pretty much wiped them from my memory.

  • May 21, 2011, 3:13 a.m. CST

    geoffrey_fourmyle's comments to astronut are a bit rich

    by ianlegend

    considering he pees his pants whenever anyone criticises his beloved Bronte sisters.....

  • May 21, 2011, 3:28 a.m. CST


    by darth_hideous


  • May 21, 2011, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Can't be any worse than that attempt at Joker.

    by Flip63Hole

    Oh man. I was in constant face palm watching Dark Knight. Easily the worst performance I've seen in a comic book movie. Makes the Sperminator's Mr. Freeze seem like an Oscar winning performance... I hope they get Joker right with the reboot. Would be nice to do it Batman-style, not unlike the Mark Hamill animated version...

  • May 21, 2011, 5:24 a.m. CST

    What, the Joker?


    Mathew Modine is the Joker?!?!?! OMGGGGGG

  • May 21, 2011, 5:24 a.m. CST

    Billy_D, again, I disagree you've brought up any "plot holes"

    by IndustryKiller!

    None of those things are integral or directly relating tot eh actual plot. You not knowing how the Joker escaped from the building is not a plot hole any more than people not recognizing Bruce Waynes face in the Batman outfit is a plot hole. The fact that the Joker is crafty enough to escape sight unseen is not related tot eh plot or story of the film, but a matter of world building that is established very early on, immediately in fact, int eh film. If you can't meet the world that the film establishes immediately at face value, then that's you just not liking the very kind of film The Dark Knight is, and it's not Christopher Nolans fault, it's a matter of your subjective preference. Which is fine, whatever floats your boat, but it's not a flaw of filmmaking or writing.

  • May 21, 2011, 5:41 a.m. CST

    bacne = roids

    by Waka_Flocka

    guess he had to get real big tho

  • May 21, 2011, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Hardy like Gosling and Gordon Levitt are overrated

    by chien_sale

    they are shit actors that thinks they are God

  • May 21, 2011, 6:06 a.m. CST

    99 Problems but a bitch aint One!!!!!

    by darthSaul666

    The part about getting not getting laid......Ask my GF about that...... She might have some pointers for boy

  • May 21, 2011, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Okay fuck it!! Now I have to say it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by darthSaul666

    The Bank scene is a testament to the COMIC BOOK CHARACTER!!!!! Yeah what if he rented the whole fleet..... makes the bank robbery easy to pull off!!!! Actually renting the whole fleet wound be very indicative of an issue of BATMAN........Honestly, from the era I read, That intro is incredibly perfect!!!!!!

  • I'm sure any TB'er worth there salt knows this already

  • May 21, 2011, 7:01 a.m. CST


    by MariusXe

    I just really hope that we aren't only getting a flashback scene with Ra's. I want a rejuvenated Ra's pulling the strings, which would proove that he did survive (sort of) the events of Batman Begins.

  • May 21, 2011, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Do you guys see what I see? Cat EYES!! Or should I say EYE!

    by Tommy Dinh


  • May 21, 2011, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Tom Hardy is evil clone but.........................

    by darthSaul666

    best reason to watch NEMESIS...............The rest is major shit

  • May 21, 2011, 7:21 a.m. CST

    I'd like to see what Hardy does with Bane


    before anyone starts using the overrated term, mmmmmmmkay????

  • May 21, 2011, 7:28 a.m. CST

    As a longtime fan of the batman comics I m really

    by southafricanguy

    happy Nolan is useing Bane. One of the things I have liked most about Nolans batverse has been his willingness to use some of the more modern and lesser iconic batman villains like Rha Auls Ghul, Talia and Bane. And unlike some fans of the comics, I dont dismiss Bane just because he was introduced in the 90s...sure it was a shitty time for comics in terms of quality, but imho Bane has actually become one of Batman's greatest foes.... And Tom Hary does indedd appear to be the perfect actor to play him. My only concern issue is wether he will be South American as he should be....

  • May 21, 2011, 7:29 a.m. CST badly did they fuck up Bane in Batman

    by southafricanguy

    and Robin?

  • Fair enough.

  • May 21, 2011, 7:44 a.m. CST

    "Picard's whiny clone"

    by AsimovLives

    Considering the shitty life that Shizon (or whatever he's called) had, the dude is quite cool about it.

  • May 21, 2011, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Tom Hardy might have tasted man-meat, but he's no faggot

    by AsimovLives

    Hetero, homo or bi, he's all style, coolness and talent. If there is any justice in this world, he will be a big star soon enough.

  • May 21, 2011, 7:47 a.m. CST


    by Dr.007


  • May 21, 2011, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Hey Asi...whats up buddy?

    by southafricanguy

  • May 21, 2011, 7:51 a.m. CST

    I just sent you an email.....please check if you

    by southafricanguy

    got it.

  • Of course he had a plan. He had a very well thoughout plan. He jsut lied to Two Faces about him not being a man of plans because he was manipulating him and telling him what he wanted to hear in his time of great emotional stress and personal loss: that chance rules the universe. The Joker is a liar. He just fucks with people's minds. And all for fun.

  • May 21, 2011, 7:53 a.m. CST

    So what are your thoughts on the what Bane

    by southafricanguy

    looks like Asi? Are you familiar with the character? I grew up reading the comics, particularly in the 90s so I have most of the Batman comics from that decade and thus all the original appearances of the character. And based on how he was used in the "Knightfall" storyline, I cant wait to see what Nolan does with him....

  • What really blasts me ass laughing is how the geeks here can be so incredibly nivkpicking about such a thigh movie like TDK and yet get so defensive and dismissive of really bad movies with huge plot holes like Abrams Trek. What the fuck is going on? Is there a memo i didn't got?

  • May 21, 2011, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Asi...dont let it get to you. Remember that we

    by southafricanguy

    live in an age of fandom now where even something as good as TDK will get ripped, and history gets revised and T2 and Aliens are now shit go figure....

  • May 21, 2011, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Btw Asi, have you seen Thor? I have nt had

    by southafricanguy

    the oppertunity to see it yet, what is your review if you have indeed seen it?

  • May 21, 2011, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Maybe batman invented an invisibility cloak.

    by claxdog

  • May 21, 2011, 8:23 a.m. CST

    What's the bet that Nolan cast Modine...

    by Tristan

    just to ask him a million questions about working with Kubrick?

  • May 21, 2011, 8:59 a.m. CST

    I think that mask is similar to what Ra's and crew wear

    by Transhuman

    at the end of Begins when they're gassing Gotham.

  • May 21, 2011, 9:02 a.m. CST

    billy_d_williams, killik, I have no idea what I was thinking.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    I blame it on the alcohol. It made sense at the time. Sort of. In a talkbacking out of my ass way.

  • May 21, 2011, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Bane is like Doomsday because...

    by Tom Fremgen

    They were both created to do one thing - kill Superman / kill (break the back of) Batman. The writers didn't think up a character they thought was cool and could create a great story with them, they created characters based on a mandate- kill the hero. (though I not saying the writers didn't try to make the story the best they could) As for Bane being a smart guy- well Killer Croc was originally a smart guy too (he was taking over the Gotham underground), now he's just a thug, like Bane.

  • May 21, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST

    OK, so the Joker was lying about not having a plan.

    by cookylamoo

    But that sort of ruins a really cool speech. The best thing about the Joker in the movie was that everything he did was just for the love of chaos. And he did seem to have Q like powers, especially for planting explosives.

  • It's like on the old Lois and Clark series, where you'd hear the Woosh of Superman outside the building and then he'd just come walking in the door.

  • May 21, 2011, 10:26 a.m. CST

    hahah this is hilarious

    by TiPPiDa

    Before i begin on whats hilarious. Let me first stay on topic... the pic, is insane.. Tom Hardy is a legend, I dig the Handsome Bob/Bronson meets Sub Zero vibe, and I hope Nolan knocks this one out of the park. Now.. onto funnier things. You know I don't usually comment on these sorts of things, I'm usually a read the news, giggle at the talkback and move on with my day.... but I feel compelled to type today, Its friggin hilarious... I can't recall a talkback where there came a certain point where EVERYONE who posted got angry. Look I love the Batman movies, but they're just that.. they're movies and really not that important. Let the dude have his opinion and let it be.. for gods sake. He told of plot holes, you challenged him, he told you what he thought they were.. your answer should have been "Well played sir" and move on with your life still loving the movie on its merits. Did you enjoy the Dark Knight?... that's terriffic... I did too.. You have problems with it, that's cool too... those problems are yours.. I'm not going to try and talk you out of disliking the movie because your thoughts on the matter differ from mine, because to be honest, they just aren't that big a deal to me. I can be entertained by mediocrity, I admit that. I just don't get so worked up about it... I know people who hate the Godfather... yeah.. my favourite movie.. and I never bothered finding out why... and these are the opinions of some of my best friends. Imagine how I feel about total net-strangers. Having said all that... if it weren't for the arguments on here, I wouldn't have so much fun reading it.

  • May 21, 2011, 10:26 a.m. CST


    by dodgethis27

    People like me like to point out flaws in TDK because so many declare it to be the best comic book movie of all time when it seems obvious to us that it isn't. Batman Begins is the better film to me. One or two of the things Billy D mentioned could be acceptable but there is a whole laundry list of them and that's the problem. Sure, Heath Ledger was awesome as the Joker but that doesn't make the movie good as a whole. One more thing, why would Bruce Wayne use his dumb Batman voice when its just him and Fox in a room by themselves? Fox knows Wayne is Batman.

  • May 21, 2011, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Some crazy shit that makes no sense can be a good thing.

    by cookylamoo

    In Thor and Iron Man for example every story point seems to have been gone over by a committee. They're well made films that are a little too well made. You keep hoping they'll throw in some WTF moment.

  • May 21, 2011, 10:43 a.m. CST

    "I blame it on the alcohol."

    by D.Vader

    Yes that's my excuse for all of my talkbacking last night. Yeeeesh, my head.

  • May 21, 2011, 11:52 a.m. CST

    The Joker's labor force...

    by aegri_mentis

    Have not any of you thought bout how many of the city's thugs Joker had stolen from other gangs? 1. They already new the city, and it's underpinnings. 2. That large of a labor force could easily take care of the hospital, ferry issues, and the kidnappings/resultant explosives.

  • May 21, 2011, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Jeebus Christo there's a lot of TDK nitpicking.

    by D.Vader

  • Obviously, from the very first time we see Joker, HE HAS A PLAN for EVERY move he makes... -A plan about not only how to get into the bank, but who kills who, and in what order, right down to where thugs will be STANDING in the bank. - Lining his jacket with grenades to make his escape from the mob meeting. -Using handmade clothes, so no tags could be used to ID him? -A complete lack of identification resources within law enforcement would take years of planning. That's what made Joker such a terrifying villain, he seemed to be an agent of anarchy and chaos, but obviously was a brilliant, micromanaging strategist...

  • May 21, 2011, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Bring back the Adam West-esque Batman...

    by workshed

    My kids love the 60's show but hate, and I mean HATE, the Bale films. I doubt this will be no different. WHERE'S THE FUN!??????? Fucking Dark Knight ruined the franchise.

  • B'uh lea 'dat!

  • May 21, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Sure hope this is better then the last two

    by MandrakeRoot

    Saw Batman Begins once, was underwhelmed, never saw it again. Saw TDK twice...initially liked it a lot because Ledger was so awesome, and it has a cool gritty tone/feel, but saw it again a few days later after the initial glow wore off and found myself bored and rather nonplussed. Never really had any desire to see it for a third time, although I guess I wouldn't mind seeing again since a good chunk of time has passed. Actually, I wouldnt mind seeing the first one for a second time to see if my opinion on it has changed. I would never say these movies are bad (though TDK is easily one of the most overrated movies ever), but they just seem to be lacking a certain something that makes it really special. I will always remember the great theatrical experience TDK was on the first viewing (particularly because I didn't like BB at all so this was a big step up), so I guess I kinda understand the manic jerk-off sessions people have over it, but I just think it's a decent flick that's overall a mixed-bag with one great performance. I hope the final chapter in the trilogy can really impress me, cause why not? But for this to happen Nolan needs to, A. learn how to shoot an action scene, and B. make the plot a little more lean and less convoluted. Of course another Joker caliber performance would be of great help.

  • May 21, 2011, 12:16 p.m. CST

    'Really?' at all the TDK backlash

    by Tacom

    I'm sure time will validate all the whiny fanboy bitching.

  • May 21, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    TDK hype was fueled by Ledger's death...

    by aegri_mentis

    Don't get me wrong, it was a good movie, but I figure the gross revenue would have only been about 75% of what it was if Ledger hadn't died before it opened...

  • May 21, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST


    by MariusXe

    maybe... just maybe you shouldn't listen to 4 or 5 year olds then... people who demand the camp back into the bat franchise I can understand, because the current Morrison comic run shows that a certain amount of camp can be cool, but I really don't get the TDK haters. Just because the movie was dark and serious doesn't mean he wasn't fun. It was the most fun I had in a movie theatre all my life for fucks sake.

  • May 21, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST


    by dodgethis27

    Is it not established that Fox knows Wayne is Batman? I think it is. And it is not that you have to show EVERYTHING in a movie for it to make sense its just that some films do it better than others. For example, when I was watching Batman Begins nothing stood out at the time I was watching it that made me go "that didn't make any sense!," however, when I was watching TDK I thought that to myself several times. You can nitpick any movie to death after the fact but there is something to be said about noticing inconsistencies WHILE you are watching it.

  • May 21, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST

    I agree with our Evil Dead fan, workshed.

    by my liege

    Batman Begins was way better than TDK. TDK was so grounded in 'realism' that whole thing actually ended up being so UNbelievable that watching the thing for a 2nd time was a real chore. The more serious you are with the Batman franchise the sillier it gets. He's a fucking dude dressing like a bat catching criminals in a kid's comic book. Just because WE'VE grown up doesn't mean that the things we liked as kids have to.

  • May 21, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Unimpressed by this picture...But

    by Larry Sellers

    I wasn't impressed by the first pic of the Joker three years ago. I actually thought it was kinda lame and over the top, like this one. I'm definitely not writing off the film just because of this one promo pic, and I'm interested to see what this interpretation of Bane is all about, but I'm not really diggin the look in this context.

  • May 21, 2011, 3:47 p.m. CST

    The final confrontation in TDK isn't very exciting.

    by cookylamoo

    It too dark, it's not much of a fight and the dialog the joker delivers while hanging there is pretty much reworded concepts from The Dark Knight returns and The Killing Joke. Nolan really stole a lot from Miller and Moore without paying them.

  • May 21, 2011, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Played Arkham Asylum recently

    by quintana007

    and dropped Bane pretty quick.

  • May 21, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST


    by Aaron

    If you think maggie gyllenhal is ugly then you are either gay, eleven years old, both, or you covet gay eleven year old boys. She looks like the kind of girl who will jump off your dick n finish u off by swallowing right as u begin to bust. So hot.

  • May 21, 2011, 4:32 p.m. CST

    superheroes do kill

    by oisin5199

    The original Batman and even Superman let villains die (or even throwing them off rooftops or letting them drop) back in the 30s. It's only the wussification of comics with the Comics Code that created this 'heroes don't kill' mentality. I don't think Batman would just randomly kill, but he would maim and he certainly would let Ras die given the circumstances of that film. And he didn't kill the Joker, who obviously deserved it. And genderblender, really, fuck you. Farscape was constantly critically acclaimed and certainly the most interesting and unique scifi show ever on television. That said, Bane looks nothing like Scorpius. Goddamn troll.

  • The Rapture is here! the Rapture is here! Hahahahahah

  • He quietly walked into the room on his tippy-toes, while gesturing to everyone to stay quiet by putting his fingers to his lips, as to say "Shhh!"; without actually saying it out loud. His intimidating presence even had Joker's goons slient and in awe as he crept closer to Joker.

  • May 21, 2011, 5:52 p.m. CST

    That Mask ~ Scarecrow's Mask

    by joker2thief

    Think about it. Scarecrow's mask was designed to keep him from getting exposed to his own fear toxin. Batman dresses like he does to strike FEAR into the hearts of criminals. What if Bane's mask in this movie serves to expose him to a type of anti-Scarecrow toxin that doesn't do anything to his strength, but instead makes him UNABLE TO FEEL FEAR? It would tie back to Batman Begins, it would allow the Scarecrow to have a cameo in all 3 films, and it makes sense of this weird mask by tying it back to other masks we've seen in the series. I just don't think Nolan is going to go the whole Roid Rage avenue with this guy - he's already huge and physically imposing, so seeing him bulk up MORE just doesn't feel like it fits with the 2 movies that have come before. The ideas of fear/intimidation, however, tie in nicely and especially if Bane's tied in with the League of Shadows, it makes sense they would have kept working on the fear toxin in the last few years. It would also make him the only criminal to be able to see Batman as "Just a Man," since he would be completely unphased by the Bat-theatrics. Once he's just a man, he can be broken. Sound familiar? All ties back to Begins.

  • May 21, 2011, 7:07 p.m. CST

    facehugger meets Pulp Fiction Gimp meets Dune drag?

    by Boober

    Call me contrarian, but this does not do wonders for my confidence that Nolan will portray the grounded/serious Bane villain that was able to bring down Batman before they turned him into the forgotten member of Insane Clown Posse.

  • May 21, 2011, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Anyone think Bat's back'll get broken in this one?

    by HapaPapa72

    Because THAT would be gritty and realistic. My favorite plot hole/look the other way moment was when Keaton-Batman rips his mask off and the black under-eye makeup disappears, because, of course, Batman doesn't wear makeup. Although I think Selina woulda just thought it was warpaint. Y'know, to scare people?

  • May 21, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST

    why do Harry like to show us pictures of naked men?

    by chien_sale

  • May 21, 2011, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Lol @ the TDK discussion...

    by tailhook

    You're only talking about the single best comic book film to date. Nothing else even comes close. It really raised the bar on what could be done on film and it'll be quite a while before it is ever met. The big difference between TDK and any other comic book movie, including Batman Begins... is that it had the balls to take a good hard look at what makes us tick and what it means to live together and did so in the prism of a comic book film. This summer, as you're watching popcorn puff pieces such as The Green Lantern, realize that they're simple stories that build a mythology not really based on our world, but a safe liberal fantasy one where simple stuff like Good defeats Evil is the order of the day. Will they be entertaining? I'm sure they will. But will they resonate? Probably not. Simply because of that disconnect with actual reality. Just stories to keep the kids occupied. One last thing, I tend to find nitpickers of TDK are actually people who really don't like the actual overall story itself, and the nitpicking is a way of trying to invalidate one small aspect and think that that then invalidates the overall story. Its a particular mental illness, and usually confined to the liberal mind.. which can often be set off Tuerette's style by certain words such as 'Bush' and 'Palin'. To everybody else, they just look rather silly.

  • May 21, 2011, 9:17 p.m. CST

    So does the billy_d_williams dude just have a lot of sockpuppets...

    by FastEddie8139

    or are there really this many guys out there who take nitpicking films that seriously? Have any of you ever kissed a girl?

  • May 21, 2011, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Fair enough

    by FastEddie8139

    I guess saving up your birthday and Christmas money will eventually add up to enough money to get anybody laid.

  • May 21, 2011, 10:18 p.m. CST

    The reason I like The Dark Knight...

    by NoArrow

    Nolan presents us with a godless world ruled by strength...Batman wins not because he is the most moral but because he is the most able. The Joker talks endlessly about chaos but in actuality he needs meticulous control over every situation he's in, and the only two times he truly gives himself up to chance (chicken game and ferries) he loses. On the other hand, Batman is constantly flinging himself into situations where the odds are stacked heavily against him and coming out on top. Two-Face gives himself up to chance but his reasons and actions are selfish and irrational whereas Batman's are rational and constructive. Batman is formidable not only in his intellect and ability but also his motives - that doesn't make him perfect, mind you, just preferable to the other two. Take the scene on the ferries. The citizens don't blow up the prisoners because no one individual has the strength to do it and on the prisoner's boat the small white man in charge is intimidated by the hulking black man into giving up his responsibility -- the point is not that Tiny Lister makes the right decision but that he's the only one *strong* enough to do something. I think Nolan thinks that if we want to "save the world" from the selfish, evil "planners" (The Joker is basically talking about himself in that scene) we must be *strong* and good. Good is not enough. And that's a message I can get behind.

  • And Ledger played him to the hilt. All the scenes without Ledger are wooden and boring with some really terrible dialog.

  • May 21, 2011, 11:47 p.m. CST

    You're ignoring the movie, Viggo

    by NoArrow

    The Joker is introduced - without saying *anything* - as the mastermind of a complicated bank heist. In his next scene he is asking the mobsters to hire him to kill Batman - a PLAN. His scar stories suggest he's been traumatized by something in his past which might explain his hostility towards other people. For the first half of the movie The Joker's motives are obscure - all we know is he has a beef with Batman, but everything he DOES is CLEARLY the result of carefully controlled planning. In the interrogation scene he reveals feelings of misanthropy, but it's only during his scene with Dent - 2/3 into the movie - that he describes himself as an "agent of chaos." Anyone can tell - and many have already said - that he's manipulating Dent in this scene - just as he's manipulating the cop in the interrogation room (we've never seen him kill any cops with a knife, he's clearly just trying to get the cop to get close to him). You're taking what the character says about himself as more important than what he actually does.

  • May 22, 2011, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Fremgen....I totally disagree dude. Yes, its true

    by southafricanguy

    that Bane was created in the awful 90s comic book enviroment where the writers were constantly coming up with silly gimmick covers, and big events, and of course "ultimate" villains that would come close to or actually kill the hero (Doomsday, Carnage, Bane et al..) but unlike the others Bane was actually given a pretty interesting backstory

  • May 22, 2011, 1:18 a.m. CST

    and the Knightfall storyline, which despite being

    by southafricanguy

    created as one of the gimmick events of that time, was actually pretty good imho. Granted I have nt read it in years, but I remember liking it back in my comic book reading days. And subsequently Bane was used very well in other stories, in particular when Rha Aul Ghul chose him as his heir, and a partner for his daughter after Batman turned him down Imhi, this worked really well since Bane is really the dark reflrction of Bruce Wayne/Batman...equally intelligent, resourceful, and driven...just raised in a totally fucked up enviroment as opposed to the loving parents, and Alfred that Bruce had.

  • May 22, 2011, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Of course Bane has been used very badly too, but

    by southafricanguy

    thats not the characters fault, blame that on bad writers, and the misuse of Bane in shitfests like Batman and Robin. I have always gooten the impression that there is an unfair prejuduce against more modern villains created comics compared to the "classics"....its not like the Joker hasnt been used badly, or done stupidly. Look at how bad two-face was done in Batman Forever, should Nolan not have used him in TDK then? Imho, Bane is actually one of the greatest Batman villains ever created if used properly....and I am willing to bet my left ball sack (for all thats worth) that Nolan will make Bane work....

  • May 22, 2011, 1:24 a.m. CST

    jesusquintanacanroll dude ur hilarious

    by cgih8r

    you're speculating on the Joker's intentions in the movie and what his goons were feeling during a scene. You're thinking about it too much man! It didn't happen, it's a movie. That means everything is made up, it's fake, if you didn't see it or hear it in the movie, then it never existed in the story. Get it?

  • May 22, 2011, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Someone explain to me why Bane where's the mask?

    by cgih8r

    Does it have a function?

  • May 22, 2011, 2:38 a.m. CST

    ok first off....

    by darth_ghidorah85

    goblin knight, you are my new hero! lol as well as asimovlives (duh) and a few others defending the dark knight. now i know it isn't good to feed the trolls and film is opinion anyways, but really there are no plot holes in tdk aside from the body count of harvey dent. if you have a problem with the movie it's only because it's not your thing, which is cool, but don't try to tell other people they're "dumb" or a "virgin" for liking a well-crafted, brilliant piece of film, and try to pull out lame-ass "ploy holes" to make you sound smart and well informed. if you WATCH AND LISTENED to the movie, everything is explained. watch it again, and PAY ATTENTION and you might find the answers you seek. and ps, as someone who told the real billy dee williams to fuck off because he's a prick in real life, i already know not to listen to the opinion of a talkbacker that praises his name. i wouldnt be surprised if it's actually billy dee himself, so listen up once again. no one is gonna pay you $60 bucks for your goddamn autograph, you washed up POS! Get a life! Yes Lando is my favorite star wars character, but as Mac once said "I don't care who you are back in the world!" and as far as viggo mortis or whatever the fuck his name is, get a life ya fucking hypocrite!!! cheers, b-mac

  • You should not have been ban-hammered. Nor should I have been. I used clever humor and watched the talkbacks deteriorate into its modern state. Thus my drunken postings that I cannot defend. An example of what got me banned (not posted in the Sally Menke obit, by the way): Pulp D. Vader, Inglorious D. Vader, Kill D. Vader Vol. 1, Kill D, Vader Vol. 2, etc. Yep, a ban for timely sarcastic humor in unrelated talkbacks. The pain I suffer for D. Vader's plight. I am a pariah... ...and drunk again. Yay, rum!

  • May 22, 2011, 3:48 a.m. CST


    by Henry Fool

    Tom Hardy completely blew me away in "Bronson", which was one of the most disturbingly original crime biopics I've seen in a long time. Seeing Hardy in that role reminded me of when I first discovered Eric Bana in "Chopper" about a year before he did "The Hulk". I knew then he was gonna be a breakout star and Hardy is clearly headed in the same direction.<br /> <br /> Wouldn't it be kind of cool if the trilogy ended with Bane breaking Batman's back and Bruce Wayne in a wheelchair? Not that I want to see bad things happen to the Bats. But ending the series on a tragic note could be a very powerful way of wrapping this story line up.

  • May 22, 2011, 6:23 a.m. CST

    cgih8tr.....Bane wears a mask because its part

    by southafricanguy

    of a system that injects a drug called Venom (think a more hardcore version of steriods) into his system wich increases his strengh for a limited time. The second reason is that Bane is South American and there is a bit of Mexican wrestlar thing going on with his look....hey its comic books dude, what can I say?

  • May 22, 2011, 7:14 a.m. CST

    What the fuck is that dot in the pic?

    by tamethecunt

    How come more people aren't bringing this up?

  • May 22, 2011, 8:46 a.m. CST

    I wasn't the biggest fan of TDK BUT

    by UnicornsExist

    I can see how much it changed the attitude towards the genre and how it put comic-book movies in a more serious light. Batman Begins got the prequel aspect of superheroes right, and Dark Knight was revolutionary (though I prefer Batman Begins). It was entertaining, beautiful and provoking and despite it's slight flaws (which actually play into it's strengths), remains one of the least disappointing films I've ever seen. But I'm still not it's biggest fan. I'm making no sense, but what-ever. I can't wait for Rises. Especially since not everyone and there uncle can easily dress up like the Joker anymore. No more fucking parties with another 14 people dressed with the TDK Joker facepaint. It's a beautiful day.

  • May 22, 2011, 8:48 a.m. CST

    (What I meant to say is)

    by UnicornsExist

    I doubt people will easily be able to dress up as Bane. Doing press for conventions I've seen so many amazing Bane costumes (and a few good Joker costumes), but I've been to parties where the Joker costume was every other costume. I can't wait to see the bad attempts of people dressing up as Bane because it's going to be preeettty hard.

  • May 22, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Lol @ Viggeo

    by tailhook

    and his need to post like 14-15 times in a row to try and make his point(s). Some of us just need 1! :P But hey, when your life consists of being a talkback poster... i guess you use all the ink you feel you need /salute.

  • May 22, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Tom Hardy too skinny to play Bane

    by Titus05

    I don't care how much he's working out, he will never be able to bulk up enough to play a realistic Bane...a few extra back muscles alone is not enough...Hardy would have been better off playing Hugo Strange

  • May 22, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST

    amen mattman

    by darth_ghidorah85

    thank you for understanding that. the whole movie was truly about dent's ultimate tragedy. it's so goddamn obvious i just can't understand how people say two-face was wasted. what more for his character could you have done? it wouldn't make any sense to his character to become a crime lord like the comics. it was perfect translation IMO, and that's what i love about nolan. he understands the most importnat parts and motifs of the comic book characters. but it's really pointless arguing with trolls, but i must defend it haha.

  • May 22, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Mattman ...

    by Epsilon

    Lucas is a relic, the Star Wars films were never cast well. The only reason the original trilogy is viewed as good stuff is because of the time period it came out in. Acting was hardly at its finest in the late 70's/early 80's. Lucas f'ed the prequels with his casting of Hayden Christiansen. That kid went to the Paul Walker school of acting.

  • May 22, 2011, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Stereotypical Evil Archer- you got screwed!!!

    by D.Vader

    I remember reading those posts. I thought they were hilarious, and I thank you for them! Too bad Beaks doesn't have a sense of humor!

  • May 22, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST

    by DarkSeider

    Nolan doesn't like to use CG too much, which is good, so I don't know how they're gonna make Hardy look much bigger when he uses venom... Unless of course he's gonna go a different route with the Bane character. I hope not, his origin story is pretty cool. He's supposed to be this huge 'roid freak but has a brilliant mind at the same time.

  • May 22, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Ill leave this world with my fighting name "Bronson"

    by NoMotivatioN

    Tom Hardy is the fuckin' man and thou BANE is supposed to Mexican Ill let that go for him. Nolan Bane is super smart dont dumb him down please!! Fuuuck this movie is soo far away it hurts. The picture is great, dude is big

  • May 22, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST

    by DarkSeider

    "Lucas f'ed the prequels with his casting of Hayden Christiansen. That kid went to the Paul Walker school of acting." Totally agree. Although I think Channing Tatum, Keanu Reeves, and Marky Mark are the worst actors ever, Christiansen sucked as Anakin. Not entirely his fault though, those lines Lucas wrote for him are downright ghastly, even a future Oscar winner like Natalie Portman couldn't save that crap of a script.

  • Before any discussion about plot holes can be had, it's probably important to establish what a plot hole actually is. Plot holes occur when a narrative thread is left untied, which can often effect the nature of the narrative itself. A perfect example of a plot hole would be one that a poster above used with regards to Citizen Kane. Unfortunately Bill D, you listed a whole bunch of contrivances, and logic gaps, but not plot holes. Batman appearing seemingly out of nowhere isn't a plot hole. That moment in that scene had no overall effect on the story attempting to be told. Rain on your wedding day isn't ironic, it's just bad luck... Or good luck... Or whatever. We open up an unnecessary can of worms when we start combing through films to look for logic gaps, because literally every flick has them. It's part of the nature of film, and the very nature of fiction itself. Fictional pieces of work can have all sorts of intent behind them, but the primary one is to entertain. To experience something that isn't likely to ever happen in our very real world. This is why exposition is such a bitch to write. Audiences need details, but if a writer were to attempt to explain every questionable moment in his/her story, then that story goes way too far up its own ass, and becomes so bogged in unnecessary and mundane detail that little to no room is left for important things like character and story. Do we really need to see Batman bust through a window, or walk up a flight of stairs? No. Why not just get to the confrontation, which is what folks want to see in the first place? Perhaps Nolan deserves a good amount of crap for going out of his way to repeatedly state his intentions for a relentlessly realistic portrayal of Batman, although I always thought it was obvious that he was speaking relatively to the multitude of other superhero movies that have come out over the years. Are Nolan's Batman movies more grounded in reality and logic than, say, Thor? Sure, but it might not stand up to a more pragmatic tale that doesn't feature dudes who dress up in Halloween costumes and have fist fights. Even then, though, I don't hear people bitching about the multitude of logic gaps in a movie like Heat, or the contrivances of Platoon, or the cartoon like nature of any of the characters that inhabit Martin Scorsese's gangster flicks. There's a good reason for that, too. Like The Dark Knight, those films were extremely well made, and we should be able to forgive some of the smaller flaws. The Dark Knight is a very, very good movie. It has its problems, like any movie does. Sitting here and pointing out every little foible, like Billy D and Choppah were, isn't constructive at all. Instead, any good intentions are washed away in the face of what can only be interpreted as a rather poor attempt to be a contrarian.

  • May 22, 2011, 6:38 p.m. CST

    billy d williams is an idiot

    by Kyle Hoschar

    batman could have easily gotten in the room with no1 noticing cuz im fairly certain all eyes were on the joker...also i think someone mentioned him pulling the bus out of the bank into the other buses...would it be that hard to learn the schedule of the fuckin school buses and time it so that you pull out at 3:55 wich is about the exact same time they go by everyday...your an idiot troll douche and i feel sorry if you cant enjoy the dark knight for these silly reasons you have made up in your own head cuz its brilliant

  • May 22, 2011, 6:45 p.m. CST

    I have to agree

    by D.Vader

    Complaining that we don't see anyone at the party react to Batman sneaking in seems to miss the point of film, of pacing, of editing, etc entirely.

  • May 22, 2011, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Excellent post, anthrax

    by D.Vader

    Just excellent all the way around.

  • May 22, 2011, 6:54 p.m. CST

    As for the two boats scene...

    by D.Vader

    Joker is a known liar. I always figured it was going to end up that whoever pushed the button actually blew up their *own* ferry. That would certainly be on my mind if I were on the boat. I wouldn't dare push the button. You can't trust the Joker. And you can't blame everyone else for being too scared to push the button as being a fault of the film.

  • May 22, 2011, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Inhaled vs. Injected Venom Derivative

    by Soulpt

    The mask makes me think Nolan has replaced the implants pumping the venom derivative into the comic book version of Bane with a mask for inhalation of the substance using the mask seen in the photo. This clearly fits if they are bringing things full circle w/ Ra's al Ghul considering the 'fear' toxin had to be inhaled.

  • May 22, 2011, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Tom Hardy Bronson comparison not valid

    by Titus05

    yes Hardy bulked up for Bronson but not nearly as much as he would need to to play Bane as depicted in the comics (and in the excellent Arkham Asylum video game)

  • May 22, 2011, 11:08 p.m. CST

    again keep it up goblin knight

    by darth_ghidorah85

    you are a true hero. also, to the guy who double posted about what exactly a plot hole is, thank you. i love it when people who think they know about film try to critique it and get the terminology wrong, but i shouldnt be surprised from someone associated with billy dee williams. that guy can seriously go ahead and fuck right off!

  • May 23, 2011, 7:44 a.m. CST

    viggeo + pencil scene post =

    by chiwrtr72

    worst analysis ever. The point is that the Joker would have done that trick on anyone who came up because he's all about random violence. The fact you can't even understand that shows a lack of insight.

  • May 23, 2011, 8:08 a.m. CST

    "It's completely fair and acceptable to love a flawed movie."

    by AsimovLives

    Yes it is, the_choppah. However, TDK is a movie with so little and small flaws, that to put them out of proportion is a mega act of pickpicking on an epic scale. What suprises me is that the geekry here pickpick on the good and thigh moves but are weirdly very forgiving about terrible flawed movies, like you know what i would mention as an example.

  • May 23, 2011, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Meanwhile...back to Hardy as Bane...

    by aegri_mentis

    The complaints that Hardy is not big enough to be a comic book Bane are kind of silly... Bale is neither as tall nor as muscular as Bruce Wayne in the comics. I'm thinking Bane will be more of an all-around bad ass martial artist who goes apeshit crazy and brutal with the addition of whatever chemical enhancement. I'm still not terribly convinced we will see a chemical enhancer for Bane. We had Scarecrow's fright gas or whatever in two movies, would Nolan really use a chemical like that in the third movie? If so, will the lasting subtext of the Nolan trilogy be about drugs?

  • May 23, 2011, 9:20 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I think it happens the other way around. It's Gambol (the black gangster) who seems to antagonise and hate The Joker on first sight. The dude who gets to experience the magic trick could had been anybody. It was nt Gambol who was the target. The pensil trick was just to make a point, as to say "don't fuck with me, i'm way ahead of you all". I really believe that there's nothing in TDK that cannpt be explained or justified with just a quick though about the matter. I myself don't hope to have all the anwers right in the tip of my tongue, but nothing that a few minutes of thinking and a little dabate can't answer. If you want to play cowboy and really hit a movie deserving of pickpicking, you should chose something else, like a certain movie made by an hack much believed in this parts.

  • May 23, 2011, 10:37 a.m. CST

    guys, easy on viggeo_morgenstein, please?

    by AsimovLives

    So he happens to not regard TDK as highly as some of us do, like myself. So i don't agree with him about his pickpicks. But the guy makes points about the movie which we do adress them. In fact, if anything guys like viggeo_morgenstein make us lokk good, because we can always offer an explaination about the strenghs of TDK. This is unlike what happened with Abrams Trek, there the defenders either come up woith repetitions of what was said by Paramount Pictures marketing or pure vituperation (i know, i got it all). At least viggeo_morgenstein and the_choppah put their ideas in a consise and respectful matter, while still being playful about it. It's not the disagreeing that's the matter, but the attitude. And frankly, they have shown more gentlemanly behavior then i have in the past. I respect that.

  • May 23, 2011, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Asimov, type coherently for once in your life, please?


    What the fuck is a "pickpick" anyway? If you ever actually tried reading peoples posts instead of merely skimming across them for something to "pickpick" (it's nitpick BTW) about, you might actually learn a few things about how to not sound totally retarded every time you try to make a point. Deal with it. Oh, and coordinate_system totally fucking destroyed you and your idiotic argument in the KNOWN UNIVERSE talkback. But as usual with you, you're too big of a pussy to respond when someone with a vastly superior intellect slaps you down that hard. Could you just not find a way to bring up JJ Abrams as some kind of proof for your disjointed twaddle? Hem?

  • May 23, 2011, 12:46 p.m. CST

    One Annoying Thing about Nolan....

    by cookylamoo

    Is that he'll change a movie's genre whenever it suits his purpose. Like halfway through "The Prestige" it turns into a science fiction movie and halfway into "inception" it goes from being a science fiction movie into a fantasy movie.

  • May 23, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST

    sticky white

    by AsimovLives

    Will do that the day you will type cohoerently in portuguese. Deal?

  • In the real world, however...

  • May 23, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Intellectual Impotence


    Thy name is AsimovLives. No deal, Captain Faggotry. I don't give a flying fuck what language you speak back in your home country. And I most assuredly don't need to know Portuguese to be able to call you on your incessant abuses of the English language right here and now either, just as you yourself don't feel (the word "think" would be giving you too much credit) that you need to have the balls or the slightest hint of talent or ability to direct a major motion picture in order to critique and/or mangle their meaning and worth through your insanely pathetic and quite childish JJ Abrams obsession/filter ad motherfucking nauseam. Deal with it...and oh yeah, learn to spell, numbskull. So, coordinate_system dreams of destroying your pitiful attempt at a debate about the existence of God? Well it's pretty goddamn clear that he made his dream a reality in that particular talkback. Maybe you could put your money where your mouth is and somehow attempt ANY kind of rebuttal at all? And as stupid and bass ackwards as that attempt would inevitably be, you would at the very least come out the other end of that duel of wits as just another TB moron with a rather bloated sense of self-importance (at least you tried right?)..and not the reigning KING of imbecilic pussies with a rather bloated sense of self-importance that you are so very busy being the rest of the time. Oh, and "inteelct"? What the fuck is that? Hem?

  • Watch the scene carefully, and you will see the bodyguard guy look like he was just grabbed, or stabbed or something, after Eric passes by, then the door closes and it's Two Face. So my theory is that Two-Face was creeping up to the car and killed the body guard guy, and Eric did not notice, and then Two-Face slipped in to the car.

  • I agree with everything else you said :)

  • As for the rest.... I don't know man... you're fucking with, like, my entire identity here by pointing out problems with TDK.... I'm scared and sad....

  • May 24, 2011, 1:08 a.m. CST


    by Particularly Hard Vato

    No! No! STOP THIS NOW! YOU STOP THIS NOW!!!! No more! There are a shit-load of people that liked the movie, and some of them saw it like 5 times! I saw it at midnight and I sat next to a gang-banger dude and his gang banger friends as I was the first person in the theater at midnight! And I got to sit in the middle, where I could put my feet up on the railing- and the gang banger dude even told the three guys on his right to move over to the OTHER SIDE so I could have a better center seat and we talked about Batman, assault weapons, and why bullet buttons are legal in California! It was halfway through THIS VERY CONVERSATION that he was like, "yo guys- yo- can you like sit on the other side?" and they were like "yeah no problem" so I could he could hear me and I could have a better center view- even though he and his posse were there first because his sister worked the concessions stand! And then when the Bat-Pod popped out we were both like "Bad ASS!!!!" at the same time! This guy could have shanked me but instead we bonded over Batman and guns! AND we checked out girls too! There were girls at the midnight Dark Knight premier! YOU ARE TREADING ON SACRED GROUND AND PISSING EVERYBODY OFF! AND NOBODY LIKES IT! DO YOU THINK ANYBODY LIKES IT??!? NO!! THEY DON'T!! At 10:57 PM CDT time you shit on one of humanity's finest creations! I just read this just now! Do you know how many millions of dollars and hours of people's lives The Dark Knight took to make?? Do you know that the stunt guy riding the Bat Pod was a famous motorcycle stunt rider who was afraid the cape would get caught under the wheel in the back and KILL HIM??!? But he did that ride anyway! And speaking of the fucking Bat-Pod- did you even NOTICE when it came out of the alley and the wheels spun SIDEWAYS, as it stopped??!? Sure it would have been clunky but it stopped SIDEWAYS! Could you have thought of that extra bit of "oomph"??!? YOUR POST INDICATES LIKELY NOT!!!! BECAUSE YOU DON'T APPRECIATE COOL SHIT!!! Oh- and I'll point this out to you also- remember at the very beginning when Batman jumps on the van, and cuts the metal in to the van? With the vibrating blade? Notice how Chris Nolan (director- you probably didn't know that) wasn't all like, "Oh hey everybody there's this vibrating blade- I know you have all seen it in the comic books a billion times but I'm going to name it as like a vibrating batarang and bang you over the head with it because I'm a tool that looks down on his audience and think's they're stupid and won't appreciate subtlety!"???? You know why he didn't do that? BECAUSE CHRIS NOLAN IS FUCKING COOL! THAT'S WHY!! He didn't even like point the camera at the blade or anything- he was just like, "Oh- yeah- cool shit right here everybody- cool shit right here. Take it, or don't... no worries... there's all kinds of cool shit in this movie.... so no worries as it is extremely likely that you can see subtle cool shit later too...." And don't even get me started on how the Joker was all like bat-shit crazy and there was not this stupid origin story, because it was FUCKING COOL that he was just, like, there and everyone had to deal with him. And he was fucking nuts! The disappearing pencil trick??!? BEST VILLAIN INTRO EVER!!!!!! Don't even try to dispute. And I don't even give a shit that it was probably unlikely that Harvey Dent's face would have actually been scarred PRECISELY down the middle and he was just walking around with "rage" keeping him from feeling the pain- he was badass too! I loved how he came in to the bar and was just like ....... "Hello." THAT is fucking character development- no over-the-top shit, just "Hello." (I am a badass. You will now die.) THE END MOTHERFUCKER. Close the book. Done. Sure, I had a nit pick- I thought that when Batman was flying in to the building to get Lau he closed his cape and flew too far- I thought those windows were way farther away from him, so it looked like, at first, he was going to slam on to the window and then climb in, or something. I just thought he was like 50 or 60 feet away from the building when he closed his cape. But you know what? That's Inertia BITCH! Look it up- I did! And it explained things nicely. Because in The Dark Knight, Inertia leads to COOL SHIT! So in conclusion, fuck the wheel, fuck the iPhone, fuck Ferraris, and fuck fake boobs. The Dark Knight is humanity's greatest achievement. Props to Nolin, Bale, and everyone else for making it happen. And to Imax too- that was cool to see it on a huge screen. And I can only imagine what they are going to do with Dark Knight Rises!!!! As for what I want to see, I would like to see an opener with Alfred going in to the kitchen with breakfast and Bruce wayne's not there, and he's all like "Oh bother..." And then he goes down an elevator and Bruce is down there with wrenches tinkering with something and he ways, Alfred- you look pissed- sorry I wasn't up there to get breakfast, but look at all the cool and expensive shit we have?" And then the camera pans around the NEW IMPROVED BATCAVE and there are computers EVERYWHERE- like Cray computers- super computers- and the camera pans by the Bat-Pod. You know, it doesn't stop there or anything, it just pans by- because for the true fans (not you Viggeo) it will tie the Dark Knight in with the movie for continuity (Oh dude- the Bat Pod was in there!) Then a message comes in to one of those computers and it's a spy camera catching the Catwoman running on rooftops. So Bruce puts on the Batsuit and takes off in a flying machine (Batwing) to go see her, because he has wanted to catch her (she's a thief) and Alfred's like, "You forgot breakfast!!!" But Batman just takes off. So then he never catches her, but we get all kinds of shots of her butt in the catsuit. And she's hot too. But then, she surprises Batman and jumps on him and kisses him, and then like whips him, and takes off. And batman is all discombobulated and just flies back to the Batcave. But Alfred's not there. But then Batman sees him and he's on the ground, unconscious. And Batman goes over to him, crouching over him, and then this shadow falls over Batman. IT'S BANE AND HE FOUND THE BATCAVE! And Batman's like, "Bane!" And Bane doesn't say shit. He just presses some buttons on his wrist and clenches his fist. It's ass-kicking time. And Batman growls "BRING IT!" And for the next 2 hours of the movie, they just kick the living shit out of each other. And in the process destroy EVERYTHING in the Batcave. And Batman finally wins. And you can see that Bane is defeated when his eye lenses and his wrist device lights flicker, just a couple of times... and go out. And then the soundtrack picks up and is really intense and conclusory- so you know it's really over. And Alfred wakes up, and he is rambling about someone being in the Batcave, and Batman's like, someone WAS in the batcave... no where's my breakfast? And they both laugh heartily. And then the credits roll, and at the end there is a secret scene (for the fans) where Catowman is robbing another jewelry store- WAYNE JEWELRY! And you know right there they are making a sequel! THE FREAKIN' END. 'NUFF SAID. Viggeo, I suggest you go outside, and smell the roses. There is cool shit being made every day. Every hour. And you should stop, and give pause- and appreciate it. And I dare you- I challenge you- to formulate a response to this post. You can't do it. You just can't. There are no words. No words.

  • May 24, 2011, 1:30 a.m. CST

    @ Viggeo_Morgenstein

    by Particularly Hard Vato

    :) Man, I'm just a law student done with finals for a few weeks and out of adderall. Thanks for the internets! :)

  • May 24, 2011, 2:29 a.m. CST

    I'm not a sock...

    by Particularly Hard Vato

    I'm just a dude. A dude on a 'puter. I'll take the 12 1/2 internets... if no one wants them...

  • But Gizmodo banned me because I later criticized their editorial quality and suggested they were only good at reviewing masturbation machines... Post is out there, somewhere... people thought it was funny.... But I am real. And so very very bored....

  • May 24, 2011, 3:10 a.m. CST


    by Particularly Hard Vato

    I'm not going to skedaddle! This is important shit being decided tonight!

  • May 24, 2011, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Oh dear

    by I'm_Bigger_Than_Bane

    Have you ever had that feeling where you are embarrassed on someone's behalf? Like you're watching a movie and someone does something cringeworthy and you actually feel embarrassed yourself? Viggo and GoblinKnight, nobody is going to win a fight on the Internet. It's not like we are all sat here scoring you each for your wit. This is not 8 Mile. You just sound pathetic. Actually read through what you have both written. Then go and look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself... "Should I be ashamed that I have wasted so much time arguing on an Internet forum with someone I don't know and will never meet in real life?"

  • May 24, 2011, 8:17 a.m. CST

    I've seen horrors...

    by Arafel

    I've seen horrors... horrors that you've seen. But you have no right to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that... but you have no right to judge me. It's impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror... Horror has a face... and you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not, then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies! I remember when I was with Special Forces... seems a thousand centuries ago. We went into a camp to inoculate some children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for polio, and this old man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went back there, and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried, I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out; I didn't know what I wanted to do! And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it... I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought, my God... the genius of that! The genius! The will to do that! Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we, because they could stand that these were not monsters, these were men... trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love... but they had the strength... the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men, our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion... without judgment... without judgment! Because it's judgment that defeats us. Marlon Brandon as Kurtz, Apocalypse Now (1979)

  • May 24, 2011, noon CST

    TDK is awesome

    by NightArrows

    I'd written up a big diatribe about it, but scratched it because I simply don't care to try and defend something so fantastic as TDK to those who can't see it. If you don't chew Big Red, then FUCK YOU.

  • May 24, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    More like Tom HARDLY. Nothing like Bane. Lame!

    by Snake Foreskin

    I really think it's akin to casting Joaquin Phoenix as Bane. Except Joaquin is a better actor. Nolan really hasn't a clue how to cast these Batman movies. It's clearer and clearer with each crappy entry to the hugely over-rated franchise.

  • May 24, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST

    I have never seen anything like this...

    by Lucidz

    This was the most surreal, bizarre, rage fueled, psychotic internet "debate" I've ever seen. ... And I've seen some things..

  • May 24, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Oh, and I think Bane looks awesome.

    by Lucidz

    One of Nolan's strengths, with the exception of Katie Holmes in BB (Blurgh) has been casting. Hardy is fantastic!

  • May 24, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST

    I wish the Batman films didn't have to resort to

    by Teddy Artery

    a physical fight. Batman as detective was the most fascinating thing about the character to me, personally. I prefer smart action heroes.

  • May 24, 2011, 5:10 p.m. CST

    looks o.k.


    Bane obviously isn't as exciting as the Joker. Nor the Catwoman. Hopefully this is as good as Batman Begins. I'm getting worried honestly. Nolan is due for a misfire is he not?

  • May 24, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST

    If it wasn't for seeing the word "Basketball"...

    by Lucidz

    I'd have no idea who the Dallas Mavericks are. I should add I hate everything about Texas. Except Austin. But I haven't been there...

  • May 24, 2011, 6:23 p.m. CST

    The only thing worse than an annoying cunt is

    by Subtitles_Off

    an annoying cunt who thinks he's on the right side of a pointless argument because he's backed up by a Talkback-full of annoying cunts. There's a point where you've become the exact same thing you think you're so superior to. "goblinbitch" jumped off that cliff a long time ago, and he's waving to "viggobitch" on the way down to his own well-deserved splat. Say hello for me to all The Choppahs down there when you land. There, now I just gave you two kuh-nuckleheads another target for your wrath. Knock your-fucking-selves out. Now, back to the subject: Bodybuilder in a sex mask. Oooh, how scary! It maybe the greatest gay S&M porno made. Whatever. It won't be Batman.

  • I will not reside in a rat infested basement, I am not a sock, and I am not Viggo. You have severely undersized genitals, as displayed by your intense flaming here. Remember thegoblinknightlex - Arguing on the internet is like winning the Special Olympics- your mother's a whore! Stop making a mockery of The Dark Knight with your rambling, incoherent rants.

  • May 25, 2011, 10:42 a.m. CST

    The Riddler?

    by I'm_Bigger_Than_Bane

    Personally, I would have preferred to see the Riddler in Nolan's final Batman movie (provided, of course, that Johnny Depp wasn't cast in the role). Like an earlier poster remarked, it would be good to see Nolan pit Batman against the Riddler in a battle of wits. Having said that, Bane is also supposed to be extremely intelligent (something I didn't know - thanks Schumacher), so I'm still looking forward to this one.

  • May 25, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST

    @ thegoblinknightlex - You never denied having undersize genitals

    by Particularly Hard Vato

    Or that your mother is a whore. 'Nuff said.

  • May 25, 2011, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Damn right Melonman

    by I'm_Bigger_Than_Bane

    The Riddler would be perfect for Nolan's interpretation. He would be more grounded in reality than Bane, Catwoman and the Joker. I would have put Bane in with some of the more outlandish enemies like Killer Croc. The three most believable villains in my eyes are Scarecrow, Zsaz (not sure how it's spelt) and the Riddler.

  • May 25, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST


    by I'm_Bigger_Than_Bane

    What do you think of the picture of Bane? Like? Dislike?

  • May 25, 2011, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Go back to lurking

    by Lucidz

    That was the most amazing display of online lunacy and on-the-wrong-side of bipolar I may have ever seen.

  • May 26, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST

    You said you were a lurker...

    by Lucidz

    I'm just suggesting that was a better profession than all the posts you've been making. Not sure why you feel a need to make fun of my name either, I guess thats just part of your M.O. You're coming off as, a bit.. Off. That's all I'm saying. And for what its worth, I actually read every single post you made. You started off fine, but whoo boy. You got out of the pool and jumped into the deep end but quick. Also, I loved TDK. But I have never felt a need to defend it to anyone, much like anything I've ever cared about. I certainly wouldn't make 100~ posts about it, degrading into name calling, mockery, cursing, and juvenile comments over it. I mean if you want me to see if I can get you banned, I suppose I could inquire about it, but I've never been one to do such a thing.

  • May 26, 2011, 5:10 p.m. CST

    by I'm_Bigger_Than_Bane

    Goblinknightlex, you have a very strange way of writing. Kinda like a really bad poet with Asperger's syndrome. "In closing" (as you often say to summarise one of your essay style "diatribes" <---- an Internet firendly word to try to make myself sound intelligent) you are beating a dead horse here. It doesn't seem like this Viggo guy is even listening to you anymore... Just kidding, at least it's been entertaining. Hasn't it everyone? My name is Lovetoy10 and I'm a sock account and peanut gallery season ticket holder. BTW, I love the Dark Knight.

  • May 26, 2011, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Which peanut gallery do I belong to?

    by Lucidz

    I'd like it for my notes.

  • May 27, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST


    by Lucidz

    a. You responded with a 458 word reply to a 6 word post. b. "I could just as easily say both of you are like boxer's " - There is no apostrophe in boxers, as it is not possessive. c. "you got upset that you couldn't discuss fascinating things like Nolan "surprising" people by injecting things into his Batman films" - Not sure where you pulled that out of, I said I loved his films. Thank you for your participation. I eagerly await your one thousand word rant in response.

  • May 27, 2011, 5:22 p.m. CST

    You ignored me.

    by Lucidz

    And I feel hurt. Also: "I've dismantled you past, present, and future activities here in this particular talkback." I assume you meant "your".

  • May 27, 2011, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Melonhead isn't making a fool of himself

    by Lucidz

    You seem to have cornered that market. So I have no need to point out any improprieties in melonman's posts. As for needy, I have 9 posts in this thread. You have over a hundred. So I'm not quite certain how your math works, but I would say (in terms you can understand)......... ------------------------------------------ Lucy: 100% Sane thegoblinknightlex 0% Sane. ------------------------------------------ And forgive me if my equations are off. I admit, I'm just spit-balling here. As for the bizarre, unwarranted, white hot, irrelevant rage that you're projecting into the thread, I have already said, I really like Nolan's work, so I'm hardly an "ankle biter" to the "haters" et cetera. (Do you actually know what et cetera means? Don't wiki it, that is cheating.) (By the way, notice the apostrophe in "Nolan's" ? It's because its possessive... Also, "It is" becomes "It's" with an apostrophe. This is because it's not possessive. I know its confusing but I'm sure you'll get it with practice.) Peace. I hope you're ok. Good luck friend. Kiss your grandmother goodnight when you hit the sack tonight. She'll appreciate it.

  • May 28, 2011, 6:23 a.m. CST

    Not sure what you're saying...

    by Lucidz

    I'm not sure what you are trying to point out by pasting my comment... What is error ridden about it? Also, ain't is a fairly well used colloquialism, especially after twain ( Clemens ) used it so liberally, so I wouldn't ding you for that. I'm sorry if your idea of timid is refusing to resort to name calling and cursing. If this makes you feel better, I think you are batshit crazy. Hope that helps.

  • May 28, 2011, 6:27 a.m. CST

    I also sincerely doubt you have ever been married

    by Lucidz

    Because if that's your idea of a wife , you either have never been laid or you are married to a succubus cunt demon of a woman, which actually kind of explains your behaviour. Either way I will pray for you.

  • May 28, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST

    this talkback is still alive?


    oh.... I see.... just some rats scurrying around still. this place needs to be fumigated!

  • June 1, 2011, 8:09 p.m. CST

    And we have a winner...

    by I'm_Bigger_Than_Bane

    He doesn't need the perfect comeback; he has already destroyed you. This IS 8 Mile and we ARE keeping score. You lose. Seriously, your (many!) posts are the insane ramblings of a lunatic with an inferiority complex. You tried a little bit too hard. My name is Lovetoy and I'm a SOCK puppet! /thread.

  • June 2, 2011, 8:11 a.m. CST

    by I'm_Bigger_Than_Bane

    Why do you write so many posts with so many damn words? I didn't read them and my guess is that nobody else did either. Why bother? We are all just SOCK PUPPETS. You can win this "debate" and reclaim some credibility by putting AN END to the madness!!! Why not go and comment on another thread... ABOUT MOVIES!!! I let myself get sucked into this because, in all honesty, I was intrigued by how weird you are. You must confess that your posts are a little bit on the bizarre side in terms of content, length and volume. Anyway, this will be the last post from me. Lovetoy has left the building.