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THE ADVENTURES OF TINTIN teaser trailer hits!!!
Hey folks, Harry here... Well, here we go. THE ADVENTURES OF TINTIN is being sprung on the world and it is being treated with tone of Indiana Jones, Johnny Quest, Annie and the great action adventure characters like TINTIN. There's more pure fantastical elements to TINTIN - but the one credit I needed to see to make me believe ABSOLUTELY in this film was... Music by JOHN WILLIAMS, its been 3 years since I had a new John Williams score - and more than any living composer - he knows how to make my imagination soar. Watching the Unicorn sweeping through waves of sand and turning them to sea... well, sign me up. This feels like TINTIN... a slightly lighter version of TERRY & THE PIRATES, but awesome all the same.
Click the below image of Thompson and Thompson peeking through the newspaper to watch the trailer in glorious Quicktime!
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Here's that TINTIN teaser!
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Finally TINTIN gets some recognition. USofA, prepare!
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in a Zemeckis mo-cap way. Not in a good way.
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John Williams' involvement is the only thing attractive to me about this project. That said, I hope the film does well...haven't really cared for a spielberg film since Minority Report or Catch Me If You Can but I hope gl doesn't have that much influence on this, cuz without him Spielberg is pretty coo'.
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.. that I'm fairly well versed in pop culture, but I have never heard of TINTIN? Until Harry started talking about it a few months ago I was totally in the dark and I've read a lot of the recent youth oriented stuff like The Mysterious Benedict Society, the Riordan Percy Jackson stuff, etc
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and it looks like Spielberg shot it... can't wait.
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This makes me suspicious
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTn93EHQOsE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Did we ever doubt him? Looks great.
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Harry, it's Thompson and Thomson, one without a 'p'. Yup, doesn't make sense on the face of it, but there it is. Get the story right, and this should be fantastic!
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May 17, 2011, 3:21 a.m. CST
When you design characters to look that close to real they need to look totally real. Not almost real. This looks like another Zemeckis cgi creep show.
by Missing Dink
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Ya know, just because you guys in the good ol US of A have not heard of Tintin does not mean that it will fail or be any good. I'll let you guys into a little secret here, Tintin is very well known in the rest of the world and for most Europeans like myself the Tintin books were a stable diet of our childhood. I personally cannot wait to see the film, but even if you are not aware of the name brand, the talent alone should make you want to see the film!! Spielberg, Williams, Wright, Jackson, etc. Jesus! Case in point, I would bet that the general public outside of the US would be more aware of Tintin name than the Green Lantern name.
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Tintin was the first book I ever "read" and was even an import in French. When the other kids were napping, I was fascinated in a corner with the Tintin books off the shelves of my Kindergarten class; an American Kindergarten in the state of New York, USA.
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Amazon has some hardcover books of it and the preview is a continuing strip.
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just had to say it.
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Looks Fab! My worries about Tintin's face are unfounded. He looks fine. For excitement, this will probably be what Indy 4 should have been, especially considering that Indy is a bit of an adult pastiche of Tintin anyway.
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It'll be funny to see this movie have a soft opening in the US and to see everyone bitch about it, while it'll be raking in retarded amounts of foreign on the sly. I wouldn't be shocked if It ends up being one of the biggest grossing 'US flops' ever. Can't wait to see it, it's one of those properties I've always been a fan of but never expected to see done like this simply because of the lack of interest from the American audience.
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There IS a world outside of America ... even some WITHOUT American Troops! I went to The French American Bilingual School in San Francisco back in the early 70s and, of course, the bookshelves were full of Tin Tin, Astrix, and Barbar (in French; also "of course") ... and lemme tell you they were great reads. For all the bitching about Reboots and Michael Bay Blow Up Movies, to STILL bitch when some reputable film makers take on a project that is not all that well known IN AMERICA is pretty ignorant (in the truest sense of the word)
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That trailer and the fact that it's a Spielberg/Jackson co-production should be enough to sell it. Was more of an Asterix The Gaul nut myself. Now can we have a mo-cap epic Asterix Trilogy of Asterix The Legionary, Asterix In Belgium and Asterix and Cleopatra please. And the pirates must be in them all. Pirates are in this year.
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May 17, 2011, 3:50 a.m. CST
ek, creepy dead doll eyes. They need to just use big eyes like all animated toons, there's a reason why it's done.
by DrPain
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Bloody hell, that gives me flashbacks to when I was a kid every other Saturday morning I'd go down the my local library and pick a Tintin and Asterix book to read. I hope this does well ...
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..goosebumps ! couldnt agree more H. The lips of characters not moving whilst words were spoken did knock me a bit though.
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Inked, It's graphic novels rather than a strip as such. A little over two dozen adventure stories (each about 60-70 pages long) penned from the 20's through until the 70's. It was a staple of many kids who grew up in Europe, Australia and other parts of the world. It blended genres and dealt with political and cultural issues in its stories - as much as it was aimed at kids, the stories were smart and didn't pander. As a result the stories have aged well despite most being over 50-60 years old. If you hadn't heard of it, then you're experience with pop culture is probably very U.S.-centric. Every country has its own pop culture and while some properties cross over with other countries, some simply don't. Not that many people know of Tintin in the U.S., just as outside the U.S. you'd be hard pressed to find people who have ever heard of the likes of Johnny Quest or any of the DC/Marvel superheroes aside from the biggest half dozen or so.
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Reading all the articles that have popped up over the last while on AICN, I really don’t understand rationale of some people on this site. I mean it down right confuses and annoys me . Because a lot of you have never heard of Tintin before , you are shitting all over this 6 months before release. “ I never heard of Tintin so fuck this shit “ Since when does a character have to have an established history to ensure success at the box office. Are you people saying that you cant get on board with character you never heard of prior to release of the film . Lets say for arguments sake that the new Tintin film from Spielberg was a completely original idea . Original character and original story. Tintin has never existed before until Spielberg and Jackson sat down and decided to create him . Would you be more open to seeing the film then ?
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But this looks fun as hell. I can get over a tiny bit of creepiness in the character's eye.
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You sir I think are the exception.
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Looks interesting though
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Nothing wowed me about that trailer. The mocap didn't look any different than what we've seen before, but it IS Spielberg so I'm willing to give it a fair chance.
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hope the story carries the film, cause the 'animation' is straight out of polar express.
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I really dont know what they were trying to tease with that? Tease us with some bad dialogue that actually makes no sense whatsoever? Expected a shit load better from the team behind this.
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Growing up our school and city library had a shit load of these. I remember them being like comics-only more boring. They were better to read than regular books for reading time though.
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May 17, 2011, 5:12 a.m. CST
Ugh, it looks fucking awful! Polar Express-dead-eye-awful >:-(
by Wookie_Weed
I was so looking forward to this, what the fuck did they do to it? The animation looks horrible.
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...it's going to confuse the fuck out of gay men, because suddenly *everyone* will be sporting that trademark Tintin hairstyle instead of just them.
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for a Pixar style cgi cartoon but what happened to the "it will look better than AVATAR" crap from the producers?, its not in the same league as AVATAR effects wise.
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How the items represent their moustaches...
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If you can't decide if you want to make a cartoon or make live-action, let someone else decide. No, not Zemeckis.
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...so as to prevent Steven Moffat going all sulky-faced like a huffy little bairn because of potential spoilers to *his* wonderful screenplay, *his*, and you should all go away and be fans of something else instead, how dare you want to know things in advance of seeing it. Truth be told, he's pretty fucking annoyed that you all know this movie features a boy, a dog and a ship. And stuff. Other stuff. He's such a grump.
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TinTin (or Kuifje as it is known in the Flemish part of Belgium) has been part of my youth since i could read. The drawing style, called 'ligne claire' (clear lines) is so attractive and beautiful to look at that it should translate easily to the big screen. But, i don't think it's suited to mo-cap. Here in Belgium, and Europe by extension, the comics are very different from the American comic culture. A lot less clear cut, lantern jawed heroes with radioactive or other powers. Mostly,charicatural heroes, with exaggerated noses and hairstyles (Astérix, Lucky Luke, Jommeke...) that are mostly cut from the comical cloth, not so much serious keepers of the peace or twisted avengers with parental issues. I think that mo cap is a bit too realistic for this kind of comic but since i have an almost unshakeable belief in Spielberg and near as much in Peter Jackson, I'm sure this wil be a fun movie to watch. Are there any other comics known Stateside from Belgium or Europe with you guys?
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I really think everyone involved is SO talented, but I do wish they would do something 'real'... After all, the virtue of early Spielberg was that he took B-movie ideas and made them in an A-movie kind of way. The scenes round the table in JAWS, the scenes of the kids playing in ET, that wonderful shot of Indy and co digging while the sun sets behind them in Raiders...
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That was the end above. There is nothing else to see. Please disperse.
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Weird looking, just do it for real and make a good raiders style movie without Lucas...not a CG piss fest!
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but you should sort out the original version that's in french with english sub titles. Much better than the English actors. Tin tin is way too honkey in that version. Just like Goku in dragon ball z
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typical Amercian kid straight from a Norman Rockwell painting.
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After all this time? Oh well. I'll still pay to see it. But it seems strange to see that uncanny valley problem still after all this time when it's been nearly solved in multiple other films.
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The fact that we never see their lips move. Are we gonna get another stiff lipped Final Fantasy type of photo real animation here. Because that sucked 10 years ago. And I would have hoped they would have fixed that by now.
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Jimmy Somerville. Always did a little bit in the comics. And now in the motion capture film it's almost photo-realistic. Freaky.
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Its kinda creepy how in the last scene he doesnt seem to blink.. I will sue Hollywood if they ruin another favorite childhood memory of mine..
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Search your memory banks! Around the time they were showing Mya the Bee and You Cant Do That on Television.
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I agree about The Green Lantern, I hadn't heard of it in the UK. It's known only in comic geek circles and US kid bedtime reading. Starpower should help GL it but not to cover budget easily
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Not stylised enough for me tbh, you either go hyperreal or stay faithful to Herge's distinctive style of illustration and opt for a more simplistic approach in rendering. This looks like warmed over Polar Express. Quite dissappointed, given the advances made in the medium to date. I hope at least it's true to the spirit of Herge's work and as engaging.
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And when we saw the finished product, it looked ridiculously well done. Yeah, you still got idiots that bitch about it to this day, but they were going to bitch regardless. WETA don't make crap, put it like that.
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May 17, 2011, 7:38 a.m. CST
Nice job on hiding the motion capture for as long as possible...
by Chewtoy
I love how they only show objects, silhouettes, people from behind, and lightning quick flashes of characters in that trailer hoping people will be into it before they finally have to reveal the creepy mo-cap look in the final shot.
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Afraid to show us much of the characters? Terrified we'll see what they look like when they speak? A ship cresting sand dunes!? (They did that in POTC and I don't remember it from TinTin, though it's been a while.)
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Yeah, the backgrounds and "special effects" look great, but words cannot express how much I hate this motion capture crap. Is he supposed to look real or like a cartoon? Pick one, you dopes. Otherwise you get this weird, in between rubber/real person hybrid creature. Yuck. These guys should really know better. Still, Steven Moffat etc. Tell you what would get me excited: a nice, "A" budget, hand drawn, animated film based on the designs of the comic books...and written by Moffat.
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May 17, 2011, 7:45 a.m. CST
"We can't turn back! Not now -- not now." Talk about a lackluster ending to a trailer!
by golden tribw
Reminds me of the way Switch says "not like this, not like this!" before she bites it in THE MATRIX. That's pretty much the one thing I don't like in that entire movie.
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Notwithstanding the glaring grammatical errors, never in my life did I expect to have Indiana Jones and Annie mentioned in the same sentence. Harry, please explain how Tintin is in any way like Annie. Thank you.
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Tin Tin is the dog. This film project has been underway long enough and has been written about here and elsewhere often enough that it is time for you to show a little intelligence and spell the name correctly, and stop with the "I don't care about this" or who the hell is "Tin Tin" crap. If you didn't care you'd be spewing your ignorance on a different talkback.
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May 17, 2011, 7:59 a.m. CST
Imagine it is 1981 and a new film was being released ...
by I Max U Mini
Indiana Jones???? Never heard of him. Fuck this shit! Come on people, you bitch moan and complain because everything has been done before. You cry about how unoriginal films have become. Now, just because you haven't heard of a character doesn't make the film a risk. I remember the original Belgian cartoon version of Tintin that was shown in the early 1960s (yeah, I'm in my 50s). And if I recall correctly, there was a season of Tintin adventures on HBO in the early '90s. Tintin (1929) has been around 9 years longer than Superman (1938). By the way, my 8-year old son doesn't throw as many hissy fits as most of you.
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Watched the cartoon, and this looks pretty cool so far. I don't see the big problem with the animation at all.
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is a talented cunt.
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and I dont think the dead-zeckis pixel photo real stuff helps this look any more like the works of Remy Herge. It just like a cgi version of some movie Yeah the ocean is the same color Pantone blue and there is a yellow plane, but I dont se why Spielberg did this. This technology doesnt make this feel more Tintin. Why didnt they show lips moving? Tintin is the best comics series ever made. But this feels just like that cgi Garfield movie with Bill Murray doing the voice.
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Im not quite sure why the marketing for this movie includes not really revealing the characters faces. Anyone who read the comics knows what the characters look like, its not a huge spoiler to reveal faces afterall this is not the Super 8 monster ( a lion ). Why cant we see Thomson and Thomsons faces when there is allready an offical image showing what they look like ? Why is Captain Haddock not in the teaser at all ? Why shadow Tintins face only to reveal it at the end of the teaser ? Seems odd to say the least.
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May 17, 2011, 8:15 a.m. CST
I really wish they'd kept the characters more stylized and less realistic.
by FlickaPoo
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damn shame. I was looking forward to it.
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May 17, 2011, 8:16 a.m. CST
People complaining about not knowing or being aware of the Tintin characters is hilarious
by Andy Pandy
because people also complain about the lack of originality and remakes in Hollywood. If you're new to the characters and story, then go into the theatre with the impression that it's an original of storytelling!
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I can't wait for this movie. I love the Tintin books, they were in the library by my house growing up and I checked them out over and over again.
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May 17, 2011, 8:26 a.m. CST
not American, still no knowledge of Tintin and no desire to see
by filmcoyote
I'm British and 33. I've heard of Tintin (could have named the character from an image) but have never read any, even as a kid. The animation in this looks horrendous - like all those wretched Zemeckis films. Spielberg has made great films but is not one of my favourite directors of the past decade. Jackson similar. If they had filmed this live-action with the cast they have or done a real animated film with them just as voice i'd probably watch, but i hate this creepy mo-cap rubbish. It ruins even a good script and reputation has it that the script for this (despite Moffat's original involvement) isn't up to much.
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For the few of you who seem to have a problem with this film's use of cgi, and wonder why it was not produced as a live action or traditional animated film, you should be happy to know that it has already been done. There have been two live action Tintin movies... Tintin Tintin et le mystère de la Toison d'or (Tintin and the mystery of the Golden Fleece), and Tintin et les oranges bleues (Tintin and the Blue Oranges), both of which were very successful despite not being adaptations of any of the books. There was also an original animated film called Tintin et le Lac aux Requins (Tintin and the Lake of Sharks) which was also not based on any of Herge's books but was subsequently adapted into one. I really believe that the cgi, the fact that it is in 3D, and that the proposed trilogy of films are all based on specific adventures from the books ,make this a movie that everyone outside of the USA will want to see. I suspect that it will be huge in North America as well simply because the stories and characters are so good, and the level of talent behind the making of the film is incredible. For you doubters out there, just keep this in mind... Snowy (Tintin's fox terrier) is probably as, or more popular, than Charlie Brown's beloved dog, Snoopy, in the rest of the world. Just the merchandising alone for this film will be enormous.
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...how on Earth could you have a bored, dismissive, snarky or outright contemptuous reaction to the prospect of this movie, this preview, its tech, or the creatives behind it? I realize getting older makes you shake your head at young people (and there is no way any of this brand of bitching originates with people born in any year 197x) but previous "older" generations never had to put up with cultural/generational punkishness on the internet. Movie fandom sucks so hard these days.
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about the animation... obviously the work has not been completed yet. The animation looks awesome- what trailer did you idiots watch? I mean shut the fuck up already. I don't know much about TinTin but am excited to find out more about the stories. Like anyone cares if you are "worried about this movieeee"
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If Spielberg & PJ are involved, I'll definitely give this a go, but the teaser doesn't thrill me at all. I have absolutely NO idea what I'm looking at, and am confused as to why I should care.
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May 17, 2011, 8:54 a.m. CST
Good shots, all of which would have looked way better live action, or done Pixar animation style
by FreeBeer
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I wanted to hear that. With my ears.
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From the guy who decided to go back to E.T. and erase guns from the government guys, comes a children's cartoon where the main character is running around brandishing a gun.
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THAT THIS WILL FUCKING BOMB! Holy CRAP does that look fucking LAME AS SHIT!
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Its pronounced "Tantan" not Tintin...the empire trailer pronounces it as Tintin! I think mocap is an...interesting...choice. Hand drawn would have been the best: Tintin is just a great comic and is drawn perfectly to fit the writing style. But, no box office hit there. Live action would have been great, but how would you capture the distinctive feel of the Tintin world? I guess it could be 300 style green screened. Mocap i guess was a way to make it "for kids" or...shit I don't know, I can't justify it. and please don't tell me thats Haddock's voice in the beginning.
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May 17, 2011, 9:15 a.m. CST
For me, personally, this is the biggest film of 2011.
by The Reluctant Austinite
I did discover the Tintin books in the 6th grade (and I'm from Kentucky!) and spent the next few years finding them all because there was very little information out there in the pre-Internet days. Not all the available titles were on the back covers. I spoke to a lot of bookstore employees and ordered several titles in hardback direct from merry ol' England. "The Secret of the the Unicorn" and "Red Red Rackham's Treasure" are the two graphic novels that make up this film. There were actually three 2-part stories that were the obvious choices for a feature film. The second Tintin film has already been green lit which will adapt "The Seven Crystal Balls" and "Prisoners of the Sun", which is one of my favorite Tintin adventures. The third 2-part story is unlikely to be adapted. It's "Destination Moon" and "Explorers on the Moon". and it's fascinating because it was written before the actual first space expedition, but plays out like a 1950's sci-fi film and wouldn't likely be appreciated by modern audiences. These stories were a major part of both my childhood and my interest in storytelling as a whole. There's nothing wrong with anyone here in the States not knowing the Tintin stories. They weren't marketed to kids here for some reason, but it seems silly to me to actually rail against the film just because you haven't heard of them. That is the very reason why Hollywood generally won't green light anything that isn't a remake, sequel or based on a well known property. We complain about this and we complain about the lack of original stories coming to theaters, but we refuse to see anything we haven't already heard of?
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Hearing Jamie Bell as Tintin was perfect...good casting! This looks pretty awesome, and hopefully they've managed to avoid the uncanny valley thing that The Polar Express suffered from.
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Ewww.
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May 17, 2011, 9:42 a.m. CST
Mo-Cap is to Cinema what a Pocket Pussy is to a Real Vagina.
by conspiracy
Gets the job done when nothing better is available...but not even close to the real thing. Just use fucking actors and proper sets already.
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Why does he have a British accent? That, plus the fact that he has a gay hairstyle and a puffy white gay dog, add to the confusion.
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before Raiders came out (as an argument that the fact Tintin is new to the US doesn't me he won't be accepted) miss the point. No one heard of Indiana Jones before Raiders because he didn't EXIST before then. Tintin has supposedly been around since 1929! So not only is he "new" to Americans… the "new" thing turns out to be this old European thing. Americans don't like old European things shoved down their throats. Indiana Jones was ACTUALLY new. And he was American. Not a young gay Belgian reporter from 1929. See the difference?
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I don't know... European things scare me, because of the socialism and the not believing Jesus was a stone cold badass who beat asses all day, but not in a gay way. Is Tintin gonna try and corrupt our country's youth with sound scientific principles and some BS about how people need to get along without believing we're always right? USA! USA! USA!
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May 17, 2011, 10:07 a.m. CST
I'm surprised how many of you here never watched the cartoon on HBO
by D.Vader
Loved that show growing up.
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I'm sold. It looks cool. I'm mostly curious about how the 'berg can direct animation. He has such an incredible eye for shots, often adding stuff in on the set that just comes to him -- I wonder how he can work within such a strict framework. Concerns: It is a bit weird we don't see any of the characters speaking; when Tintin grabs the cloth off the diorama/the punching scene both seem floaty, which is always the problem in heavily mocapped stuff (AVATAR, best so far, still had moments when the physicality looked fake, but it reads better in the 3D); I would have preferred a more stylized approach to the characters, instead of this weird mishmash of cartoon elements and hyper-real hair and facial textures. But fuck all that, I would go see this right now if I could.
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We'll see how this one fares.
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May 17, 2011, 10:31 a.m. CST
Everyone who hates on this is officially a terrible person
by Proman1984
Spielberg has made so many films that ALL of us love. How can you even consider being so hateful towards this project? Where is it coming from? It's almost like you you don't know what to hate on anymore. And it's trolling, I get it. But where is the source of joy anyway?
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May 17, 2011, 10:32 a.m. CST
And this looks absolutely breathtaking in 1080p. Make sure you watch it again in full HD and in theaters.
by Proman1984
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...who is really looking forward to this!!<p> I only have a very vague recollection of Tintin images from sometime in my early youth. Love the look. I was pondering whether or not to check out the source material with my 7- year old daughter before this is released...or just go in blind and enjoy it as is. Not sure yet.
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May 17, 2011, 10:35 a.m. CST
And everyone who says it looks "Creepy" is lying. It looks great and better than Toy Story 3
by Proman1984
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Tintin panels inspired lots of Indy moments (to the point of exact duplication on some occasions) . It was a source of inspiration as much as the Secret of the Incas and Gunga Din movies for the Indiana Jones series.
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Some of you need to take your blinders off and leave your biases at the door. This was a teaser, we hardly saw anything. We saw only one shot- ONE- of a full face with the eyes, which looked just like how I'd expect a more realistic Tintin to look. We had very few instances of seeing a full body in motion, and what we did see was cut very quickly, and frankly looked just fine.
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40 year old Europeans know all about Tintin. Teen age Europeans will have little to no knowledge of this, other than "Oh yeah, that's that old comic book my dad read, what else is opening this weekend?"
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http://tintin-movie.net/ Better, I think...
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Spielberg's days of masterful blockbuster film-making are long gone. I realized this when I saw Jurassic Park on its release. There was so much lazy film-making and poor story-telling in that film. There were some great moments, but Spielberg's decision to treat the dinosaurs like endangered animals rather than monsters was a bad one. He seemed reluctant to hurt them, whereas once upon a time he happily blew up a shark. The film struck me as spineless and lacking the conviction that he gave to his earlier classics. I thoroughly believed in the nightmare of the Great White in Jaws, and the sinister and wondrous aliens of CE3K. I believed in Raiders, because I knew the director did, too. That film still looks incredible, and has more grit and style than most modern action adventure films. He got an Oscar nomination for it, which was well warranted. But look at Crystal Skull. Where was the Oscar-calibre director then? Sadly, Speilberg's desire to win acclaim is now directed towards his Munichs and Amistads and Private Ryans rather than the rollercoasters that made him a legend. He seems to have no heart for those kind of films anymore, which are being made now by the film-makers who, ironically, Spielberg himself inspired--Cameron and Jackson and Nolan. Spielberg seems out of touch, or at least has lost his common touch. His upcoming War Horse will be well-crafted, of course, but I just can't get excited about it. It seems like the kind of film you would be forced to watch during a school history lesson after spending weeks reading the source novel under the teacher's supervision. As for Lincoln? I think it more likely that the Spielberg of the seventies and early eighties would have opted for Abe Lincoln, Vampire Hunter over the worthy biopic he has chosen to make in his current phase. And I just know he would have given us a rollercoaster to rank alongside his best.
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Still, I agree with others that it would have made more sense to have gone either live action or more stylized CG. But maybe after seeing the actual film it will make sense that it was done this way.
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...this should have been live-action.
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May 17, 2011, 11:35 a.m. CST
Also, a little tired of Europeans generalizing Americans so much
by frank
Nobody likes to be generalized. I am an American and am quite familiar with Tintin and am looking forward to these movies. I am a bit skeptical with someone else’s statement that Snowy is more famous than Snoopy globally, though. Very few fictional characters from any medium in history are more famous than Snoopy.
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May 17, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST
Just when I thought I could not care any less for something in this world...
by Astronut
... I am proven wrong. Creepy CG-rendered people ala Polar Express! "YAYYY!!!" FUCK THAT SHIT!!! What a load of suck.
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May 17, 2011, 11:40 a.m. CST
d.vader: "We had very few instances of seeing a full body in motion, and what we did see was cut very quickly" ... why do you think that is?
by golden tribw
I'm not going to declare the animation bad, but after enjoying both the books and the 2d animated TV series as an adaptation thereof, I am (first) not encouraged by what seems to be a severe reticence on the part of the filmmakers to show us more than a flashing glimpse of anything** and (second) still unsure why they thought this particular property was the right thing to be made into a 3D mo-cap blockbuster. **If it's because the effects work is still in progress, fine, but why release the teaser at all in that case? "Hannibal" used SotL footage of Lecter for its teaser, no new material at all; and "Terminator 3" just had the classic music over a CG logo struck by bullets as I recall -- it was "original" but it had no relation to anything you see in the final film.
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Count me in as another American looking forward to this.
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May 17, 2011, 11:48 a.m. CST
"Looks great! Count me in as another American looking forward to this."
by Astronut
Sigh. (Jesus.)
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Apparently Spielberg and Jackson went for a realism motion capture effect. And so far, audiences haven't responded to that, in fact have stayed away from films like this. I'm surprised that the animation here even seems to take a step BACK from Zemeckis' stuff, regressing to the animation in the awful Final Fantasy movie. There's just something inherently "off" about it. The characters walk and talk like real people, but they're more akin to dead-eyed mannequins. I think the decision not to go for a hyper-stylized look a la Pixar's The Incredibles was a mistake. I think this film would have been better served shot in live action, and you know, from the trailer, there wasn't anything in it that couldn't have been done in the traditional way.
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May 17, 2011, 12:26 p.m. CST
"Just when I thought I could not care any less for something in this world..."
by DoctorWho?
...and you took time out of day to tell us all about how much you don't care. Twice.
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May 17, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST
"from director Steven Spielberg"...simpy does not excite me anymore, this is the first Spielberg film im actually NOT interested in seeing...
by Billy_D_Williams
and that's HUGE, considering Spielberg is my favorite director. *sigh* nightmute, thanks for that wonderfully eloquent and level headed post, i totally agree...Spielberg's best days are long gone, and while i still think he's a great director, i feel he loses sight of the big picture, and as a result you end up with movies with a handful of great scenes, but the entire movie suffers from lack of focus. this trend started with Jurassic Park, a movie that is very frustrating to watch, because its half a brilliant film, half a very boring film...the characters are completely uninteresting, and i tune out after the T-Rex attack... most of Spielberg's films after Jurassic are full of great moments, but lack cohesion. Spielberg's work after the 80s has had this annoying trait, where he seems so caught up in individual scenes, he ignores the whole and that's why it's hard for me to sit down and watch some of his movies from start to finish...I just find myself skipping to the good scenes, marveling at how well directed they are, then turn the TV off. As opposed to classic like E.T. of Jaws, where each scene's power is directly fed into the whole of the narrative, so the film is a complete masterwork, as a whole. Which is what good filmmaking is about. Today's Spielberg has more in common with music video directors than other film auteurs. I cant believe i just typed that.
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May 17, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST
"he's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes."
by Billy_D_Williams
that Jaws quote felt appropriate after seeing the trailer
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May 17, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST
"he's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes."
by Billy_D_Williams
seems an appropriate Jaws quote after viewing the trailer...why the fuck is this mo-capped again? completely unnecessary.
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Even Minority Report and Munich, despite the flawed ending. Spielberg isn't the same director he was in the late '70's, but you know....who would be? He was a dude in his late twenties/early thirties with no wife and kids then. Now he's a family man in his Fifties/pushing Sixty. Of course he's going to be a director with different sensibilities. Most humans would.
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The reason this is a mo-cap production is that it allows total freedom for the director and the actors to get the performance they want while also staying faithful to the look and design of Herge's creations. As for why we don't see anything else- talking, etc- I dunno. It could be for every reason the pessimists have given. Then again, it is just a teaser after all.
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Like you've never done the same thing.... bag on something you hate? Right here on the Internetz? Whatever. Hypocrite.
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May 17, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST
This looks light years ahead of any of Zemeckis' mo-cap crap --
by MooseMalloy
-- lot of blind talkbackers.
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Just in Canada? The video is not loading at Apple.
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Well, you couldn't be faithful to the look of Herge's creations really.
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I think that we are all agreed that the bergs great days are over.... the bergs career started on tv. I think he may end his career there. all of his early films are easily his best. But after he knocked et, close encounters and raider out of the park in rapid succession. he tired of being a family film maker. he made the color purple. a movie which critics at the time dumped on. they didnt want to see an adult berg film. they wanted more kid friendly berg. so he returned to what he knew best making family films with hook. which was a miserable experience for him down to Julia roberts. it was only after he made Schindlers List, private Ryan that many took him serioulsy as a more mature filmmaker. that includes amistad. which I think was based on a book that the author sued for plagiarism. robin chase riboueax. It was stupid of the berg to make the 4th indy movie. lets hope there are no more of them. oh...yeah...i forgot...they are....indy 5 cant be any worse. than that. jackson and the berg have been sucked into zemeckis's bland mo caption world. along withg cameron.
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i dont think Spielberg's wife and kids have much to do with his decline...and i'd argue War of the Worlds is far harsher than anything he made in his 20s and 30s...putting a litte girl through hell like that, disintegrating humans, the angry mob/gun scene, the bleakness of the thing, etc Spielberg simply lost focus of the whole...this guy was even quoted in saying for The Lost World, he started storyboarding his favorite scenes from the book before a script was even written...those are words from a man caught up in favorite scenes, and just ignoring others, leading to imbalanced, unfocused films... maybe his wife and kids have sucked his energy, who knows...
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... will not be swayed by the trolls who hate for the sake of hate. Not even if their calls of hate fall on deaf ears and they end up sighing at signs of their failure to reach us. By the way, most of the so-called haters will be there the day the film opens.
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May 17, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST
Hmm... that last shot of Tintin looked WAY better than the RZ "dead eye" that I've seen...
by WriteForTheEdit
But, yeah, I think I would have preferred a 3D stylization of the Herge drawings to this. Never saw the cartoon, but loved the books as a young 'un. Jury's still out.
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May 17, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST
calling people "hater" comes from insecurity about what you like...
by Billy_D_Williams
if you wanna see Tin Tin, go see it, what do you care what others do with their time? if you didn't feel threatened, you simply wouldn't care whether or not people like the trailer, or want to see it, or think mo-cap was the wrong decision, or think Spielberg is bottoming out in his decline...or at the very least you're intelligently argue your points...instead it's "hater", "troll", etc...doesnt help your case.
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Wow, you seem to have a European sense of condescension. What a treat.
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May 17, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST
I don't see the point of photorealism 'that' intense, why not just use actors instead of SFX guys slapping themselves on the back saying 'look what we can do'
by Arkhaminmate001
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It really is pretty fun readying all these confused posts about 'who this Tintin is'. Uhm. Say you are a COMPLETE noob when it comes to pop-culture outside of the US. And somehow, you've managed to avoid ever seeing the books in any elementary school library or public one. Then- Google Futhermucker. Do you use it? Seriously, torrent just one. Pick ANY one of them. Flip through it, then come back here and say 'I'm confused as to why I should care.' Honestly, I- *sigh* Also, that score raised pulses. I'm into this.
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May 17, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST
"By the way, most of the so-called haters will be there the day the film opens." haha - hahaha - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAW
by Astronut
whaaaat-EVER!! I can guarantee you I will never — I repeat, NEVER — pay money to watch this soulless CG crapfest.
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If you honestly think a live action Tintin movie could be made in Herges art style without full on CG landscapes etc, than you've clearly never read Herge. All the shitheads whining about CG animation, you'd be whining about the use of CG in the live action version too. There's no winning with you guys. You guys complain about remakes, sequels, reboots, etc. But you're clearly too fucking afraid to experience anything new. Hence the hostility towards Tintin. I can't wait for this film to be a smashing success worldwide. And all the whiners right now will have their comments rubbed in their faces. Heck, they'll probably retcon their hate and pretend "I've always loved Tintin!" And for those complaining about mocap...it's never going to look good in your eyes. Unless it simply doesn't look human (A la Avatar) you just going to have the uncanny valley effect and say it looks creepy. The reason you see a "dead eye" as you call it because there's not always a bright light in the middle of ones eye, like you see in every Hollywood movie. Watch Beowulf. You only see that white sparkle when there's a flame in front of the character. It's called realism. The Navis looked like a spider-man comic. Take a picture of yourself without flash. Guess what, you don;t look like you're in a Hollywood film. If you experience the "creepy" feeling, then it means it's working because it look like a human. The feeling is your insecurity, not the films.
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May 17, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST
"Jurassic Park, a movie that is very frustrating to watch, because its half a brilliant film, half a very boring film" WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU??
by golden tribw
I don't know what else to say. Jurassic Park half boring? Go fuck yourself.
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Can't wait. And yeah, what is this, "Hollywood never does anything new, it's all remakes and reboots and sequels" and then this comes along and it's "why isn't this another sequel" crap?
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May 17, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST
D.vader, I don't agree at all that this is "faithful to the look and design of Herge's creations"
by golden tribw
It's not. It's a 3D Homer Simpson. It's 3D Garfield, voiced by Bill Murray. It's a 2D comic strip. They already made it into a classically animated 2D cartoon series. This does not follow logically. But as I've been saying, despite my large reservations I'm not going to hate on this for the sake of it. Hopefully it will be good. I just don't think the mo-cap treatment (for all the advantages it gives the director) is a good fit for Tintin at all.
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When you were sucking each other off over King Kong (even talking about it unseating Titanic!!!!)...I told you it would have dissapointing box office. When all of you fanboys were fingering your manginas over Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow...I told you it would fucking bomb. When your crotch was frothing over Serenity...I told you it would fucking bomb. When you had your tongues up each other's assholes about Scott Pilgrim....I told you it would fucking bomb. When you whipped it out and swung it around in circles over Astro Boy.....I told you it would fucking bomb. Tintin will follow suit. Mark my fucking words. Just because you're a total fucking dork and think this little gay reporter guy with his little poofy fucking purse-dog is the center of your world doesn't mean anybody else gives a fuck.
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But my dog was really looking forward to Rin Tin Tin. If you've ever had to break bad news to a dog, you can understand how difficult it's been for me the past few days.
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May 17, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST
goldentribe...wonderful argumentative skills you have..."go fuck yourself"? brilliant sir, brilliant
by Billy_D_Williams
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May 17, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST
bantuwind, whats the point of CG-ing to remain faithful Tin Tin's style if the characters come off looking creepy???
by Billy_D_Williams
completely defeats the purpose of making the movie if the characters creep you out. that "style" works for the source material, but there's a word called adaptation...its necessary when translating something that works in print, but not on a cinema screen. they would've been better off doing this Roger Rabbit style, more traditional animation...that stuff doesn't look creepy.
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I trust that you "called it" regarding those films you listed... but... and I am not being sarcastic when I say this... I bet you were wrong at some point when you said something was going to be great and it turned out to be crap. Am I right? Unless you hate everything, in which case you wouldn't have predicted any good coming from anything...?
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i laughed out loud reading your post, good work sir.
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I dunno, they look like the characters to me.
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May 17, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST
Many here are using the word "soulless" in their descriptions
by D.Vader
I don't think they understand what it really means in this case.
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After all the hype....I was hoping it would have been a little more photoreal....like this http://motionographer.com/2011/04/12/meindbender-the-pirat/
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The trailer is doing the rounds on the tech blogs (Gawker/Gizmodo/iO9) and the tech nerds seem underwhelmed by the CG/mo-cap there too. (I'm a gadget-tech nerd as well as a movie nerd).
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"Having no soul or no greatness or warmth of mind or feeling" Yeah, I'd say that pretty much sums it up with these CG shitfests. How bout this? Hey, how bout, since you're filming real people for mo-cap, you just... oh I don't know... FILM THE REAL FUCKING PEOPLE?? Retards.
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May 17, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST
I swear to GID, some day people are going to laugh their ASSES off at these ridiculous, fake CG SHITFESTS
by Astronut
Like we laugh at the fucking fake claymation effects of the Harryhaussen days. God rest the man, but come on, those effects do not appear realistic at all.
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Hence the mo-cap.
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I messed up there.
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May 17, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST
Tin Tin's European fanbase is so huge most here haven't a clue about it.
by CeejayNightwing
It's been going strong since before Marvel and DC existed and read by generations whether they stopped reading comics or not later in life. He has national heritage status in Belgium, dedicated shops that sell Tin Tin memorabilia for the last 27 years and the only place it isn't popular is in the USA where as in Europe the character and the comics is passed down practically from father to son like Lord of the Rings. I work in a book shop and a few years back they finally released a Tin Tin comic that was banned for years called Tin Tin in the Congo. The uproar concerning this release was huge, you couldn't keep it on the shelves quick enough. The series simply has had so much controversy, acclaim, attention from all aspects with live action films, animated films, animated tv series, stage plays and so much merchandise that it's probably second only to Star Wars in Europe for items sold though out history. Whether Spielberg and Jackson manage to raise the eyebrows of the US cinemagoers with this is up for grabs, but across the Atlantic make no mistake, this is going to be HUGE!
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May 17, 2011, 2:39 p.m. CST
Plus the International Box Office potential wields much larger returns than the US box office alone, you ignorant, narrowminded spandex-lovers!
by CeejayNightwing
TITANIC = USA-$600 million, Internationally-$1.2 Billion AVATAR = USA-$760 million, Internationally-$2.0 Billion! Harry Potter:&TSS = USA-$317 million, Internationally-$657 million. Lord of the Rings:ROTK = USA-$377 million, Internationally-$742 million. Casino Royale = = USA-$167 million, Internationally-$426 million. Where as your American comic movies are not always so popular world wide as they are in your own country and the few English Speaking territories around the world.. The Dark Knight = USA-$533 million, Internationally-$468 million. Batman (1989) = USA-$252 million, Internationally-$160 million Iron Man = USA-$318 million, Internationally-$266 million. Superman Returns = USA-$200 million, Internationally-$191 million. X-Men 2 = USA-$214 million, Internationally-$192 million So Tintin not performing outstanding in the US is not that important, It will more than triple whatever it makes in the US with its internationally Box Office.
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May 17, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST
God you people talk as if you live in large pond and the rest of the ocean doesn't exist and doesn't matter!
by CeejayNightwing
How did you become so proud of your ignorance???
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These CG "shitfests" have real actors behind the movements giving real performances. As for the motives behind the film, its being made by two huge fans of the source material who are (supposedly) pouring their all into the final product. Its the complete opposite of soulless. And its very unfair and disingenuous to claim this is a "CG shitfest" after seeing only a short teaser.
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Is that true? Sure, the Harryhausen stuff doesn't look "real" but we love them anyway. Why is that?
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http://www.geekologie.com/2011/05/impressive-motion-capture-facial-animati.php It looks more real than the TIN-TIN or ZEMMECKIS crap... and it's still not 100% convincing. Again, why bother to transfer people to digital unless you are doing something substantially radical to alter them...??? Makes no sense, none. If you are going to alter a person's physical appearance somehow, use prosthetics. If you're going to cross the line and create a life form that is radically different from what we are familiar with, then create it from scratch, ie, no mo-cap. Does this make sense? Why would someone argue against that?
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If this movie tastes as good as Belgium Chocolates then I'm in.
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When I said, "If you're going to cross the line and create a life form that is radically different from what we are familiar with, then create it from scratch, ie, no mo-cap." What I really meant to say is: If you're going to cross the line and create a life form that is radically different from what we are familiar with, but you want to replicate living, breathing movements (say, life-like head movement or limbs or whatnot), then go ahead and use motion capture. And then apply the realistic movements to a GC creation. Tracing a person via mo-cap only to go in and "fatten their nose" or whatever is a fucking waste of time and money.
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Its not supposed to look more "real", that's the point. You're arguing apples and oranges. "why bother to transfer people to digital unless you are doing something substantially radical to alter them...???" They ARE. These characters look NOTHING like the actors portraying them.
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There are two live action Tintin movies for those who didn't know (Les Oranges Bleues, La Toison d'Or). Obviously, they weren't made on a Spielberg budget, but I remember getting a kick out of them when I was a kid.
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No, it's not true. I can accept fakery but when the fakery is 80% traced from a real person or object and coated in a layer of shiny CG then I have to ask "Why is this not just filmed straight-away? Why are they transferring it into the CG realm?" OH! I GET IT! So they can add-in lots of crazy fantasy scenery to go with the CG actors!! Ohhhhhhhh...!! Come on. Really?
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May 17, 2011, 3 p.m. CST
"These characters look NOTHING like the actors portraying them."
by Astronut
So you're telling me that there are no actors in this world who could have assumed the roles of the human characters in this movie? WHA - ? I can understand if these characters were aliens with eleven eyes and made of styrofoam but they freaking human beings!!
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Where are the Choppahs, dude?
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Two of the biggest directors in the world and a script by Steven "Doctor Who" Moffat make this a... MUST SEE for me!
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Of course I have. The difference is that I do it with wit and reason...not just throwing poo like a monkey.
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Must be nice to live in a world of your own design, with rules that are specifically custom tailored by yourself. I called this shit because I think it looks like shit. I don't need your approval to do so. And I certainly don't owe you an explanation as to why I think it is crap.
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May 17, 2011, 3:32 p.m. CST
Who needs argumentation skills? You're the only person on the planet who's ever put "boring" in a sentence with "Jurassic Park."
by golden tribw
There is nothing to argue. You're entitled to your opinion, but what a crazy thing to say.
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http://www.celebritybrands.net/apparel/why-jimmy-thought-jurassic-park-was-boring/
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I dunno what's happened to the Choppahs. I've been working the past few weeks and haven't been hanging around here much at all. Have the different Choppah nicks been banned?
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As it stands, we have characters onscreen that look just like their original designs (with slight tweaks, for instance, Tintin's eyes aren't just black dots). I seriously doubt anyone could find 100% approximations in this world. The chances of finding those approximations and then having those people be good actors is even less. Putting prosthetics on these actors to make them look even more like the characters severely limits their acting ability and hinders their need to emote properly. It sounds like you are just 100% anti-CGI, bc every argument you've thrown can be and has been refuted.
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I don't think so. They've been on good behavior recently, and Choppah made peace with Nerdling (to my dismay). Maybe they took a multi-family vacation to Disney World. I hope that's the case.
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Nope. Let me ask you this: Do you think Polar Express could have been just as effective if not * more effective * as a film if it were minus the CG tracings/motion capture..? If it were shot straight with actors and sets and some CG effects thrown in..?
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Jurassic is surprisingly tedious in parts for a movie about rampaging dinos. The T-Rex attack is the only sequence that totally works, but it works so well that the rest of the film struggles to compete. It's like putting the wrath of God finale in the middle of Raiders, then trying to top it. The end of Jurassic is an anti-climax, and should have had more T-Rex involvement. The beast was set up as the big villain, and then gets reduced to a cameo. That's poor story-telling judgement, and smacks of laziness on the part of the Berg, who at the time was more interested in making the admittedly brilliant Schindler's. He took his eye off the ball. Sure, it's only a movie and all that, and doesn't make any difference in the grand scheme of things, but the disappointment comes from knowing what the Berg can do when he doesn't fumble the ball. His mistakes are more glaring than most film-makers precisely because of his gift for film-making. And as fans, we actually do care.
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The T-Rex may have been the "big" villain, but he certainly wasn't set up as "the" villain. That distinction applies to the velociraptor who kills a man in the opening scene, is the subject of a lecture by our hero at a dig where a skeleton of the raptor is being unearthed, and is also thr first baby we see born in JP, with much foreboding before cutting to the adult pen where we see the aftermath of a cow being fed to the raptors. No, he velociraptor is "the big villain" of Jurassic Park, and it makes 100% storytelling sense to end with them and not the T-Rex (also considering that's how the source material is structured). So, poor story-telling judgment and laziness on the part of the Berg? You're wrong, man. Solid wrong.
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May 17, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST
"Like we laugh at the fucking fake claymation effects of the Harryhaussen days"
by MooseMalloy
Let's take an impromptu poll: Who here has ever laughed at the work of Harryhaussen?
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Apart from the brontosaurus reveal at the beginning and the raptor kitchen scene (when the ILM crew seemingly tagged a dosing Spielberg, saying "your turn!"). The T-Rex chase started well but quickly went wackyvideoverboard. The rest of the movie is just Goldblum sitting on a stretcher with a walkie-talkie and Attenborough eating ice cream.
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So you guessed those films would bomb, good for you. Of course, when you keep making that prediction all the time, getting it right a few times isn't really an impressive feat. And seriously, what's with all you assholes shitting on this JUST because it's not popular in the US? Just what is it that's so fucking scary about a little bit of European influence?
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Awesome...
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at any rate, seeing Steven Moffatt's name on the credits for screenplay sells me on this project alone. I just finished watching all the recent box-sets of Doctor Who and all of Coupling. Steven Moffatt is awesome! Looking forward to this.
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May 17, 2011, 4:49 p.m. CST
wow. a lot of these comments were written by a*holes.
by HelveticaConspiracy
it's like you creeps just hang around here waiting to bitch about something. looks like a pretty rousing adventure tale, to me.
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And the reason is because the domestic boxoffice means shit these days. Movies cost so much money now that they need to be made for a demographic thats goes far beyond the local yahoos in your backyard. International appeal, thats where it's at, and from what I hear Tin Tin has a pretty big international following.
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Which is weird, because it doesn't take too much from a trailer to get me interested.
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When it was great it was incredible. But it did have slow stupid crap in it.
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Add that to the list.
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...they show very little of the characters' faces in that trailer. From what few glimpses we get of the faces, it really looks to me that Spielberg, Jackson & Co. have fallen deep into the Uncanny Valley with this one. It looks very "Zemeckis-like". That is very much not a compliment. I was looking forward to this, as long as it was a CGI adaptation of art, as seen in the comic books, not as an attempt to use CGI to make these characters look "real". Making CGI humans look "real" cannot be done folks. Disagree with me if you want, but I'm a confirmed believer that the Uncanny Valley simply cannot be bridged. Along with death, taxes, and the speed of light, it's the fourth constant of the Universe. They shoulda gone "World of Warcraft" with the character design. Cool, but still cartoon. Instead, they went "Star Wars Galaxies". Creepy, dead-eyed CGI humans. It's a shame. I thought Spielberg would know better. Of course, I fully admit that I might end up being proven wrong.
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...they show very little of the characters' faces in that trailer. From what few glimpses we get of the faces, it really looks to me that Spielberg, Jackson & Co. have fallen deep into the Uncanny Valley with this one. It looks very "Zemeckis-like". That is very much not a compliment. I was looking forward to this, as long as it was a CGI adaptation of art, as seen in the comic books, not as an attempt to use CGI to make these characters look "real". Making CGI humans look "real" cannot be done folks. Disagree with me if you want, but I'm a confirmed believer that the Uncanny Valley simply cannot be bridged. Along with death, taxes, and the speed of light, it's the fourth constant of the Universe. They shoulda gone "World of Warcraft" with the character design. Cool, but still cartoon. Instead, they went "Star Wars Galaxies". Creepy, dead-eyed CGI humans. It's a shame. I thought Spielberg would know better. Of course, I fully admit that I might end up being proven wrong.
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They didn't show CGI humans in Avatar. They showed CGI aliens. Aliens are not human, therefore the Uncanny Valley does not apply. That being said, plenty of people complained about how much Avatar looked like a big-budget video game instead of a movie. It's disingenuous to claim that it was universally praised.
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May 17, 2011, 5:35 p.m. CST
a motion picture event like you HAVE seen OVER and OVER again
by gunnarcannibal
I miss humans and puppets.
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May 17, 2011, 6:02 p.m. CST
Tintin. Y-A-W-N !!!!!! And it looks like mo-cap! Dye Zach Efron's hair red, and you've got TinTin.
by planetran_fan
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The Secret of the Unicorn is the first of a two-parter...so will RRT be incorporated in this film or in a sequel?
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and that's a good thing. Love that blue car racing down the street. Tintin will kick ass.
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Avatar IS a video game.
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However, as others have said, it does have that mo-cap-dead-eye "Zemeckis" quality. On the up side, there is that one shot of Tintin looking at the ship model and you can see his reflection in the glass case - which is an oh so very Spielberg shot. In about every film he has done, Spielberg has a shot where the main character (or the object the character is looking at) is reflected in a window of a building or vehicle allowing the audience to see a two shot of both the object the character is viewing and that character's reaction to it. That kind of innovative blocking is what makes Spielberg great at what he does... even if he has the occasional poor outing.
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I think it looks great. I can forgive some weird human cgi faces if the movie is good. MAYBE they're still tweaking the animations and that's why they are hiding them. But they're gonna look weird. /shrug
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May 17, 2011, 7:36 p.m. CST
another difference between Tintin and Avatar
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
Tintin budget : 130 mil Avatar budget : 300 mill+
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May 17, 2011, 8:02 p.m. CST
Just noticed the plunger nose and brush beard from the newspaper...
by pills_26
If they keep up those aardman esque subtle sight gags this is just going to be one multi-layered romp! Pretty much my main worry now is the cgi - I still think theoretically it is the right medium to bring Tintin to the big screen, but I have never warmed to any mo-cap film. Please, please let them pull it off with Tintin!!
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I couldn't tell you. I never saw The Polar Express. I will say, however, that the idea of Tom Hanks playing four very different characters through mo-cap was an extremely intriguing experiment that I did want to check out.
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For all your bullshit above about movies that the world grosses were higher than domestic. As the world's population is approximately 6.8 billion, the current United States population represents a mere 4.5% of the world's population. So, why aren't the world's grosses TWENTY times greater than the U.S.? Probably because of pseudo-intelligent arrogant slackers such as yourself.
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A very slightly different trailer, but different nonetheless: the ending words are changed (the lip-sync is still incorrect though). Instead of "We can't turn back, not now, not now", we get: -That young man, who is he? -That's Tintin!
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The trailer looks awesome. Period. Love the shots of the reflections on the glass..very Spielbergian. That should be incredible in 3D. Quit complaining about how they "didn't show enough dialogue" or "the end of the trailer let me down" Its a fucking teaser. The movie probably isnt even out of post production yet. A lot of people on this site must live on a vinyard, theres so much whining.
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Uh...what is wrong with you? Four posts in a row over how much you hate a movie that hasn't even been released yet. Take it easy. You're frothing at the mouth over a movie that won't be released for another six months. It's just...kind of bizarre...and psychotic, really.
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i guess there are ships too. last movie that spielberg put his name on as director that matters... i dunno, i liked munich. schindler's list then? 1993? losing streak i say. don't give me that saving private ryan nonsense either.
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SPR was a beautiful film, the perfect omage to WW2 veterans. non-pretentious, non-glorified...the most realistic war film ever made. To me tho, the last spielberg film that mattered..Munich, and A.I. before that.
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May 17, 2011, 10:35 p.m. CST
goldentribe, looks like quite a few people agree with my JP-boring assessment...
by Billy_D_Williams
so many parts of that movie drag its not even funny, and the characters are flat and boring except for Ian Malcolm
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It's the teaser trailer. They need to make a positive impression. They wanted to avoid anything that might create a negative reaction and create any sort of negative buzz. Meaning, if they showed the less-than-perfect facial animations then you hypercritical fuckers would start spazzing out and creating a big fuss over a relatively minor imperfection. I say that it can still be a great film even with weird looking cartoon faces. Maybe the fact that Final Fantasy bombed so hard has something to do with it. Computer generated human faces are one of the biggest hurdles for modern special effects. People comparing this to Avatar? On top of Avatar's monstrous budget they weren't HUMAN.
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Pull the fucking tampons out of your pussies. <p><br> Every couple of posts in this talkback is some full of himself cum sucker saying, "oh my God, you morons complaining about not knowing who Tintin is are SOO lame!!!" For the record, I saw only one, ONE, post saying he hadn't heard of Tintin. <p><br> Since this project was announced, I've read dozens of articles or posts that talked about how famous Tintin is overseas, but that it'll be a tough sell because Americans aren't familiar with him, and blah blah blah. You know what I've seen virtually none of? Americans complaining about not knowing who Tintin is. Cause if you don't already know he's an established character, you'll just think he's a new one!! <p><br> So please, I know you think you're really speacialz for already knowing of this character, but it's really not that big a deal. And his obscurity to yanks has become one of those little known facts that everybody fucking knows, so please, stop reporting it like you're the first one to bring it up. <br><p> End of rant.
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May 18, 2011, 1:54 a.m. CST
well the movie looks like shit, just weird and "off"
by Billy_D_Williams
i dont seen american audiences giving a fuck...not even Spielberg's name may be able to save it
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May 18, 2011, 2:53 a.m. CST
well on top of Americans not being aware of the character
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
they are also going to be turned off by the European look and style of the whole thing. Although Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit somehow managed to scrape together 56 million here, so maybe it won't be a total disaster.
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A) This is a TEASER, not a trailer, and therefore not showing faces is in line with a typical teaser. B) They did show singing in the Sweeney Todd trailer.
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Generally, the film looked incredible from that teaser, the ocean scene, and particularly as Tintin approached the miniature boat in the glass casket both looked astounding.<P><P>When Tintin steps to the side of the door towards the end, though, and we get a clear look at his eyes, they still have a very glassy, doll-like feel.<P><P>Despite that (not that it's a major gripe), I cannot wait for this. Always enjoyed Tintin as a child, and having re-watched some of the cartoons in the last few years, I can attest to their lasting quality.
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fail to work after the big site rework? I've lost so many usernames over the years that I've somehow come full circle.
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How can we show people dying during war as realistically as possible? Let Spielberg show you the ways. SPR does not honour soldiers in my opinion; it details physical violence very well, mortifies us with the depictions of such violence. It's a technical detail, and while done very well indeed - and highly realistically - that appears to be SPR's only redeeming quality or at least its only standout element. What was the point of it? We know people died, we know they suffered, we know war is hell. Did SPR enhance that somehow? Or were we all just titillated by the extreme violence, and possibly respectful that someone had the guts to show it like that? In any case, that still does not a great movie make.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVeSCKLnJrY
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The main reason the USA BO (that's box office, not body odour) is disproportionate to the population is the United State's disproportionate wealth and resources. ...but not for long guys, so enjoy the empire as it crumbles - Mwa ha ha haaaa! Soon all your bases are belong to us!
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...more ignorance is JUST what these Tintin talkbacks need. Seriously, get a clue. Tintin is "anti-feminine"? While it's true that females are next to non-existant in the Tintin universe that has nothing to do with any "anti-girl" sentiment and everything to do with the fact that depiction of women was taboo in franco-belgian comics at the time, presumably because they were afraid one of their young male readers would get a stiffie reading a comic. This is why most franco-belgian comics of this era usually only featured female characters that were either little girls or comically unattractive (such as Tintin's Bianca Castafiore). Lack of women in those comics weren't the result of some anti-women agenda of their authors or their protagonists being gay (as ignorants these days are quick to assume about the old heroes), but the result of ridiculous restrictions placed on the authors by the sexually repressed norms their publishers represented. Now - I usually wouldn't blame anyone for being unaware of this fact, but if you're gonna go on a hateful rant about it I sure as hell will expect you to at least know that much about what you're talking abot. So please have a hearty FUCK YOU for 1) judging old classic stories by todays PC norms. I bet you're one of those people who also critize LOTR for being racist because some of its villains aren't white. and 2) being a hater, in the true sense of the word. Now, I could understand this kind of an extreme reaction if it was a response to some particularly provocative piece of fiction, but - Tintin? You have issues. 3) talking about "being good at sports and going mountain climbing and gutting fish" as if it's a BAD thing. You say Tintin is anti-feminine, me thinks it's actually just you who are anti-masculine. Again - you have issues.
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I agree they look sliiiiiightly glossy but it's not an easy effect to pull off.
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It shows a bit more of snowy and Tintin in the beginning! http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=31007
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looks like zemeckis useless artform and spielberg throws in some of his directing style. i mean avatar had an point from a technical and storytelling side .. but here ?
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http://www.natacha-comics.com/index2.php?pg=gallery# now, that's a real belgian hero. Hope you are reading this Steven ^^
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faces only a zemeckis could love
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genderbender needs to grow up. Not everything has to revolve solely around feminist issues and talking about feelings. And being masculine is not the same as being anti-feminist. I didn't know that about Franco-Belgian comics though. Did they have any rationale for that? Even prudish comics like Golden age DC had women in them. It's too bad they never took off in the US. I don't remember how I heard of them, but I looked for them once when I was a kid and could only find two of them in the entire library system.
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Does anyone else feel that the big reveal of his face is something of a letdown? All the others are extremely cartoony and silly, but Tintin seems to be more realistic. It wouldn't bug me so much except that they saved it for the end like it was a big reveal. Really? That's what you choose? Maybe it'll look better in context but that scene was just a poor choice.
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....that two legendary film makers , many talented actors ,some of the best visual effects teams in the world and hundreds of millions of dollars have contributed to this movie (that looks absolutely shit by the way). I mean really, of all the things spielberg and jackson could have put their clout behind...a Tin tin movie ? An movie based on an over rated series of boring ,racist, pro-nazi comics ? A movie that pointlessly sank lots of money ,time and effort into creating eerie looking characters that your brain will permanently refuse to accept as human? A movie that nobody asked for? Fuck this shit.....
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I don't really care how real or not real the characters look. I hope that the film is fun and entertaining. However, there is the issue that there is absolutely no clip of any of the characters actually talking in the trailer. This could mean they either have no confidence in the work they've done or it doesn't look any good. Maybe it's because they want to surprise us! who knows!
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Okay, it DOES help that it was a straight adaptation of a brilliant, timeless story, AND that Zemeckis had already had 2 other shots at making that kind of movie, but I really did get drawn into it and the character's movements, expressions, eyes, everything are the best. It looks to me like they've still got a lot of work on getting the characters right on Tintin, even if the surrounding visuals are beautiful and the script should be excellent. Spielberg's name on this does excite me, I can assure you. And John Williams!!
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You're a fucking loon. Oh and the trailer was great. An epic score and it had such an adventurous spirit. I'm really looking forward to this one. The talent involved is reason enough to go see it...the fact that it looks visually awesome is a plus.
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Sometimes I think I must be living in a Matrix-like dreamworld. What in the living fuck is this world coming to when people start not just accepting crummy CG-rendered crapfests like this — but actually embracing said crap. I just cannot understand why anyone with any artistic taste whatsoever would be visually "thrilled" at how this stuff comes across. This shit is fake, hokey-looking crap — CRAP — I don't care if Jesus H. Christ himself is directing it. And it could largely be done with HUMAN ACTORS. I am not against CG when it is done sensibly, tastefully, realistically and with actual logic and purpose — but Zemmeckis and his vapid, soulless CG crapfests and stuff like this, which looks to be more of the same type of stuff, can take a long walk off a short pier. For god's sake, people, wake UP.
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May 18, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST
Peter Jackson SPEAKS, reveals Spielberg shot TINTIN himself
by Proman1984
"Steven embraced this new film making very quickly, and I could see him loving the almost complete freedom he suddenly had. Steven operated the camera on Tintin himself—all the hand held, tracking and craning shots are his. But the really cool thing is seeing how his imagination and gift of story telling went into overdrive. It's all there in the movie. Something to look forward to." Peter Jackson
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assuming that the sequel is Tintin in Space, then the need for CGI will become obvious when Thompson and Thompson have themselves a serious 'mustache malfunction' that spans the majority of the ship. no way a live-action movie can do that scene justice.
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100 percent mo cap computer animation with human characters DOES NOT WORK! The only time computer animation works is with highly stylized stuff. Or talking animals. Anything that stays far away from resembling actual humans. Trying to make characters look "realistic" only slides the audience into Uncanny Valley. This looks awful.
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The point of SPR was indeed to show how hellish war is...and also how pointless. One scene that stands out for me is when one random soldier was trying to clamp another soldiers arm because it was split from the shoulder down...and the guy was screaming in such agony. I remember having an outer body experience seeing this...because it felt so real to me. Very few films depict people in excrutiating pain in a realistic way...the sound of human suffering. And it opened my eyes to the point were I am so grateful to live in a country who has soldiers who volunteer themselves to protect us...to risk that kind of pain and death. No other war film has made me fully apprieciate that like SPR, so thats why I thought it was great.
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May 18, 2011, 10:40 p.m. CST
I remember reading Tintin comics throughout the summer in Spain in 1969...
by planetran_fan
...but when I got back home, I forgot all about Tintin. It was BS to a nine year old then, and it's BS to me now! No need for this character to be done up in a big screen format. I'd rather see a Yogi Bear sequel, with special appearances by Huckleberry Hound and Peter Potamus.
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Say it ain't so! :-(
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May 19, 2011, 12:03 a.m. CST
I really don't like the latest trend in Computer animation
by Gremlin517
This may not be popular, in fact, I'm not even sure if it has been discussed, but I really am not at all fond of this latest trend in computer generated animation--I understand it, because as an artist and art historian I can see that it replicates the first part of the evolution of artistic development as humans attempted to get better and better at copying the universe on a canvas, wall or what-have-you. But then came the camera and, well, the point was made moot--the camera could always mirror the mundane much better than any artist--that when art history got really interesting--when the rules changed. Okay, so what am I saying, you ask? Get on with it, you say! Okay, first off, computer animation killed off old-style, cel animation--killed it dead as a you and me in a hundred years--so what is it doing now? It is attempting to show us that it can replicate the mundane, everyday world that we see all around us! That's what! Hey, if I wanted that I'd watch, ummmm, what is it called...oh yeah, any other non computer generated movie that's out there! And you know what, the humans will look more real and won't have dead eyes and the insides of their mouths will be proper color and depth and not slightly off and they will move like humans--well, with the possible exception of Arnold who will never look truly human. Computer animation owed it to us--after killing Disney--to spend a little more time with the animation end of things--they owed it to us to create worlds and characters and the like that aren't as boring and run-of-mill as we are! What we're getting here is movies with the computerized special effects taking completely over and leaving nothing even overtly creatively human in it's place! Someone needs to tell these people that nobody but a handful of computer geeks--who all work in the industry--gives a shit that they can replicate reality with their computerized toolboxes. We know! We don't care! That's what special effects are for! Get better at making a computerized Jabba the Hutt or creating a more believable reason for Greedo to have been shot. So what is my real point here, and it wasn't what I thought it was--it's different and actually surprised me--the problem is that these new animated movies are being made by technicians, people who are good at computers--people who are good at making other people's things look good--but these cartoons are not being made by artists. That is what is missing--the art has been taken out of the equation and replaced by technique and the ability to work the processors. That is why you get the dead eyes--I can tell you, that as soon as an artist would have looked at these creations he/she would have called the technicians a and said this is wrong, wrong, their eyes are dead! We need to breathe some life into them immediately. Well in closing, I will say this--I just lost all interest I had in seeing this movie and I was excited and I know we were supposed to be excited as well that's why they left the last shot to reveal too us what Tin Tin was going to look like. I saw and my heart sank--there is nothing left of the original artist Georges Rémi and more than a bit of Tron to keep the computer nerds in my beloved Seattle, very happy. Next time if they want the animation to replicate reality so closely--here's a quick tip--just use real actors. I really have just lost any interest I had in this. http://xavierlopezjr.blogspot.com/
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I like that!
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