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Frankly, my dear, The Behind the Scenes Pic of the Day doesn’t give a damn.

Published at: May 12, 2011, 5:39 p.m. CST by quint

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!

Gone With the Wind and I have a bit of a spotty history. After my first viewing of Casablanca I was rabidly eating up all the classics I hadn’t seen. I saw Doctor Zhivago fairly closely to my viewing of Gone With The Wind and greatly preferred Zhivago.

Despite the undeniable beauty of GWTW I just found it impossible to care for the characters, each one a scumbag of varying degrees. Hattie McDaniel’s Mammy and Butterfly McQueen’s Prissy are the only characters I could give a shit about while watching this movie. It’s possible that I need to revisit it, since I was a teenager when I last saw the movie in its entirety… but like I mentioned above it’s not that my attention span was short as I’d just loved the just as epic love story Doctor Zhivago.

The trouble I had then was connecting to the leads, both Rhett and Scarlett, and emotionally investing in them at all, which is kind of crucial in a movie pushing 4 hours in length.

All that said, I don’t deny the iconic nature of the movie, the gorgeousness of the photography or the epic scope of the story… I just wish I could connect to it a little more. Maybe I will when I give it another watch on Blu-Ray.

Today’s picture has Vivien Leigh, Clark Gable and director Victor Fleming (who was brought in after George Cukor had been filming for three weeks) sitting around inbetween takes. Fleming is the guy with the glasses.

Once again thanks to Pat Barnett for the cool image! Click to embiggen!

 

 

If you have a behind the scenes shot you’d like to submit to this column, you can email me at quint@aintitcool.com.

Tomorrow’s Behind the Scenes Pic is gonna hit you upside the head with a chicken!!

-Quint
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  • May 12, 2011, 5:41 p.m. CST

    first

    by disfigurehead

  • May 12, 2011, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Gable ...

    by GINGE_MUPPET

    Look at him! ... Handsome bastard, just oozing cool from every pore.

  • May 12, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Great photo. Is the guy at right (seen in profile) anyone important?

    by golden tribw

    And holy shit wouldya just look at Clark Gable!

  • May 12, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Gables thinking "Whats this bitch talking about?"

    by Mr Soze

  • Not really my cup o tea but Gable is my kind of bastard.

  • May 12, 2011, 5:49 p.m. CST

    She may have been off her rocker, but holy jebus christmas...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...Vivien Leigh was diabolically gorgeous. And look at the size of that freaking hoop-skirt!

  • May 12, 2011, 5:50 p.m. CST

    damn, motherfuckers were cool as ice in the old days, look at Gable...

    by Billy_D_Williams

    guy looks too cool for school...damn

  • May 12, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Gable looks like a guy who just thinks about pussy and it lands on his cock

    by Billy_D_Williams

  • May 12, 2011, 5:54 p.m. CST

    I don't care about these characters, either

    by StarWarsRedux

    And I completely hate this movie. The next time somebody makes a movie about the Civil War, let's all remember: The South was BAD.

  • May 12, 2011, 5:56 p.m. CST

    I just started watching Mad Men

    by Box_Bruceleitner

    Chain smoking and drinking has never been more appealing. The guys in this pic were real men and we are anything but compared to them.

  • May 12, 2011, 5:58 p.m. CST

    "Frankly, my dear, I love you. Let's get married."

    by WriteForTheEdit

    The "senior citizens" cut is much better, IMO.

  • May 12, 2011, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Looks like they're serious about their jobs...

    by GravyAkira

    I like that. Great Pic!

  • May 12, 2011, 6:02 p.m. CST

    I sense a backhand..

    by NateHawg

    comin from Gable to Vivien Leigh. This is an unrelentingly badass pic. Nicely done Quint.

  • May 12, 2011, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Great pic.Boring movie.

    by KilliK

  • Mind you, I'd get a fat if I looked like Leigh, too. Hot damn!

  • May 12, 2011, 6:08 p.m. CST

    have you noticed...

    by ben sheppard

    ...fleming's really on about something, but EVERYONE'S too busy giving leigh the dity eye. what's all THAT about?!?

  • May 12, 2011, 6:14 p.m. CST

    The south will rise again

    by edwardpenishands

    not really.

  • May 12, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST

    great pic...all eyes on the hot chick

    by Rupee88

    except for Fleming...yes Gable does look cool there.

  • May 12, 2011, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Wow, Lee looks old to be 14! Choke on your own feces and semen ridden vomit, braindrain

    by SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform

    And I know black people think they look cool, but all the black people in the world combined would not look as cool as Clark Gable, esp. right there in that pic.

  • May 12, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST

    that, eye thing...

    by frank cotton

    i believe, is a, way of, saying, but not, actually, saying, who's next?

  • May 12, 2011, 6:34 p.m. CST

    GONE WITH THE WIND vs. SONG OF THE SOUTH

    by You Have MY Voice

    Amazing how SOTS is considered a racist film unworthy of viewership and release on DVD or Blu-ray, while GWTW is considered a classic for the ages while ignoring racism that's just as, if not moreso, prevalent. If someone can explain this dichotomy to me, you're a better man than I.

  • May 12, 2011, 6:36 p.m. CST

    1939 was a big year for Fleming

    by Adelai Niska

  • May 12, 2011, 6:38 p.m. CST

    biggest waste of great direction ever

    by alexander

    and with that, ill (try and) be gone before I end up trolling it here... except.. no... can't... make my mind up: do I despise this film or Xmen3 more? Either way I need both of them like I do a hole in the head, a knife to the heart, and a kick in the balls.

  • May 12, 2011, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Frankly braindrain, I don't I don't give a dental damn

    by edwardpenishands

    no but really, fuck you you douche.

  • May 12, 2011, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Gorgeous photography. Legendary epic scope. I LOATHE this movie.

    by blakindigo

    Scarlet is one of the single most obnoxious, entitled cunts ever to grace the screen. Skynet got it all wrong. Should'a went back in time to erase this trollop from existence.

  • May 12, 2011, 6:50 p.m. CST

    braindrain: You're dead-on right about that.

    by WriteForTheEdit

    I read a biography of David O. Selznick and a fair portion of it is about the making and release of GWTW. It's almost impossible to imagine how eagerly anticipated this movie was. People went APESHIT at the first unannounced, "pre-release" screening.

  • May 12, 2011, 7:38 p.m. CST

    It's like if we made a movie set in 1933...the year King Kong was made.

    by Mickster_Island

    1939 - 1861 = 78 2011 - 78 = 1933 Also, only 3 years til Ms. Mitchell first published the book.

  • May 12, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST

    I wonder what lies beneath that dress of her

    by KilliK

    maybe a midget eating her?

  • May 12, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Dr. Zhivago is one of the most boring movies ever

    by successor

    <p>And this is coming from someone who loves Lawrence of Arabia. I find Zhivago to be an utter snooze. Even the beautiful scenery can't take away from the fact that the movie will put a person to sleep.</p> <p>Also Zhivago is one of the most passive protagonists in film history. What does he do exactly, aside from help a few people who are sick and run away from adversity every chance he gets? Say what you will about Scarlett O'Hara, but at least in Gone with the Wind she actually saved Tara, killed a Yankee soldier and secured her family fortune. In other words, she was an active protagonist. Unlike Zhivago, who doesn't do shit. Aside from cheating on his beautiful, faithful wife with a young, selfish woman. What a hero.</p>

  • none of the characters, except for Mammy and Prissy, are worth a darn.

  • May 12, 2011, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Melanie was a scumbag, Quint?

    by Tacom

    Olivia DeHavilland's character is like the nicest person in the movie!

  • May 12, 2011, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Not sure Doctor Zhivago is the best example to use here

    by Acquanetta

    Zhivago and Lara have long been criticized for the same exact reason.

  • like say, The Wizard of Oz maybe.

  • May 12, 2011, 8:21 p.m. CST

    I'd rather watch Funny Games again

    by alexander

  • May 12, 2011, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Absolutely agree with you, Quint

    by HyphenatedWords

    It's like you reached inside my brain and squoze it.<br> <br> My Mom loves the movie. I had always avoided it, thinking it was going to be a huge melodrama. Then, like you, Casablanca became my gateway drug to the classics. Still, I kept putting off GwtW.<br> <br> I JUST watched it for the first time two weeks ago because it was available to Watch Instantly on Netflix. I ended up skimming it. Frankly, I didn't give a damn about Rhett or Scarlett.<br> <br> The saving grace in the movie for me was Olivia de Havilland. Olivia de Havilland. Olivia de Havilland. Olivia de Havilland. Wow. What a beauty.

  • May 12, 2011, 8:30 p.m. CST

    I don't think I should say this very loud but......

    by Yelsaeb

    never seen it. I know I need to, but there are so many other movies I haven't seen. I'm slowly making my way through an incredibly high pile.

  • May 12, 2011, 9:08 p.m. CST

    so you only care about blacks on the movie, Quint?

    by corplhicks

    Guess you simply do not understand the move, nor its characters, nor the times they lived in etc.... Every character in the movie shines- those who are evil manipulative narcissistic bitches to sweet saints !

  • May 12, 2011, 9:12 p.m. CST

    This is a great movie

    by kevinwillis.net

    Ni, it's not Casablanca, but it's a brilliant film loaded with amazing performances and Gablenis pure genius bad assness throughout, and mammy is crazy wonderful, and a better human being than all the rest put together. A great film. Great. Quint, if you go into it expecting a different film, you will be disappointed. Revel in the unsympathetic characters, and it is a joy.

  • May 12, 2011, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Yelsaeb, sing it from the rooftops, brother

    by tiggr009

    I've never seen it before either. It's not like it's one of those movies that I haven't gotten around to, it's just that for some reason I'm not interested in it.

  • May 12, 2011, 9:38 p.m. CST

    They're all looking at her going "O rly?"

    by BBSloth

    I wonder what dumass thing she said..

  • May 12, 2011, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Guess what geeks?

    by one9deuce

    George Lucas borrowed heavily for STAR WARS: Joseph Campbell, Kurosawa's THE HIDDEN FORTRESS, FLASH GORDON, serials in general, westerns, war movies, and on and on. But by far the biggest influence on Lucas for STAR WARS was....... GONE WITH THE WIND

  • May 12, 2011, 10:02 p.m. CST

    My wife has refused to watch this movie after reading the book.

    by ltgalloway

    She had to read it in school and she vehemently hates Scarlet O'Hara. Apparently they were on target with the characterizations in the film. They did everything right with the film, but the problem is the characters are unsympathetic. I'd like to hear what Harry has to say about it, and if he would compare it to Inception. That would be fascinating to me.

  • May 12, 2011, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Gotta (1/2) agree with Quint

    by lochkray

    The unlikable characters in GWTW make it difficult to get through, for me as an ignorant semi-modern viewer. Maybe at 120 minutes it would have been fantastic to watch the selfish misbehavior (the scene of Scarlette tapping away at the dance, while wearing mourning-black is a personal fave), but spending close to 4 hours with that bitch and her dim-witted boy toys is wearing on the nerves. As for a likable character in the movie, I'll agree to give thumbs up for Hattie McDaniel's Mammy. But Prissy? Jeeeezus. I can't stand her. Who the fuck claims to be an expert at birthin' babies to a pregnant woman, when they don't even know how to put on a catcher's mitt? Gawd, I hated her. More than Scarlette. It's sad that in the movie, the second most likable character is a woman slapping, misoginistic, wife cheating, whore screwing, side-flipping, glorified carpet bagging philanderer. And I agree, the man who played that part looks fucking cool in that pic. Yay Clark!

  • May 12, 2011, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Clarke Gable may have been one handsome SOB, but...

    by tritium

    from all accounts he had major halitosis. Legend has it that most of his leading ladies dreaded any kissing scenes, it was so bad. He probably had serious case of periodontal disease. Poor dental hygeine, along with heavy drinking and chain smoking will do that to you.

  • May 12, 2011, 10:11 p.m. CST

    This ranks the same as Cleopatra for me

    by alienindisguise

    with detestable leads.

  • May 12, 2011, 10:19 p.m. CST

    TRITIUM! I have a story about that!

    by pushthebuttonmax

    A friend of my grandmother's actually scored a date with Clark Gable. So my grandmother and the rest of her friends all hide in the front room of the house so that they can get a glimpse of the guy when he picks up her friend. That really has nothing to do with the point of this story, but apparently after she got back from the date all she could do was complain about Gable's terrible breath. So there is truth to that!

  • May 12, 2011, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Loved in the South (and Japan)

    by deelzbub

    One of two movies told from the viewpoint of the south. Everything else is always told with a northern point of view. "History is written by the victors" -Napoleon

  • May 12, 2011, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Haha and oh

    by pushthebuttonmax

    If any of you stepped foot in Georgia and uttered these laughable statements, your head would have a big hole in it in about two seconds.

  • May 12, 2011, 10:44 p.m. CST

    The scene they're probably filming -- and a defense of GWTW

    by Jim_Kirks_Crunchy_Delicious_Chair_Apple

    It appears they're filming the scene in front of Tara right after Rhett and Scarlett return from their honeymoon. I believe it's the scene where Rhett agrees to underwrite the restoration of Tara. Same clothes, right down to the cane Gable is holding. So the backlot Tara is probably out of frame somewhere behind the photographer. The novel and the movie were rather groundbreaking, scandalous, and unconventional for the day (and for decades after). The story was daringly sympathetic toward the South, and sympathetic toward a couple of pretty unlikeable and dishonorable protagonists. And it was far less sympathetic to noble Ashley and Melanie, portraying them as weak and unadmirable -- which at the time broke convention, because in most any other novel or movie Ashley and Melanie would have been the heroes. The story dared to say something like despite their unlikeable traits, or maybe because of them, Rhett and Scarlett were survivors, while noble Ashley and Melanie were weak victims. The movie whitewashed (so to speak) slavery and the KKK, but the book didn't as much. The story pretty much dared you to involve with these characters and get drawn into their moral spectrum and forget the right and wrong of it, much like the Godfather movies did decades later. And it's still a cinematic epic.

  • It doesn't matter how repellent a racial stereotype in an older film might be (like Mickey Rooney's ghastly "Me soh solly" schtick in Breakfast At Tiffany's, which pretty much wrecks an otherwise sophisticated and charming comedy), as long as the film is aimed at a primarilly "adult" audience, studios can release it knowing the majority of the viewing public can at least excuse the racism with the justification, "Well, that's just the way it was back then. We know better now". But if anything aimed at kids (ESPECIALLY animation) from decades past as anything even remotely off-color or racially insentitive, it'll either get repressed entirely, released with a bunch of bullshit edits (a la the black centaurette in Fantasia of the walkie-talkie shit in E.T), or else released with some "this collection is intended for the adult consumer" cover-your-ass disclaimer (like the Looney Tunes and Tom & Jerry DVD sets).

  • May 13, 2011, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Speaking of classics

    by GBH

    How about a BTS pic of The Man With the Golden Arm? Checking on wiki these actors/actresses sure died relatively young... 59 and 60 is too soon to go.

  • May 13, 2011, 12:22 a.m. CST

    So the average talkbacker

    by TheComedian77

    Thinks GWTW is 'boring'?! I'm afraid for the next generation. I found the film every bit as entertaining as the folks did back in 39, and I've never seen it on a big screen. As for the characters all being 'assholes' or whatever, I don't see it. In the 90's and into the 21st century, I've seen films where people act like total dicks and not once has an AICN reviewer said 'oh I couldn't connect with these folks'. Rhett Butler is a mercenary type who only believes in money (when he first meets Scarlett)....what difference is there between him and Rhett....? Scarlett O'Hara is a self obsessed little rich girl -- but she is also a survivor. She may not be nice about it but she is that. But maybe that's not the kind of female character people look up to. Maybe we only like survivors if they are like Ripley. Or beautiful women if they look like and act like Ingrid Bergman in Casablanca. "Yeah, I love Victor and what he stands for......but let's go shag for old times sake Rick!" Can't connect with the characters. Please! Maybe your mistake was watching GWTW straight after Casablanca and expecting them to be the same because they are both 'epics'. Maybe you made the same mistake people always make of assuming GWTW is a 'love story' (which it plainly ain't). Watch it again. I think you should have done before posting the pic.

  • May 13, 2011, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Edit

    by TheComedian77

    I meant, in the 2nd paragraph, what difference betwixt Rhett and Rick in Casablanca. Need an edit option.

  • May 13, 2011, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Good First, Slow Second

    by The Bear

    I saw this for the first time when it was briefly re-released on the big screen. I don't remember what year it was...late '80s, early '90s? But I remember the first half was very interesting and entertaining, I really got into it. There was an intermission, and I was really looking forward to the last half. But then...the damn thing just fell apart. I lost interest, got impatient, felt bored. Don't know what happened. I roused a little bit with the famous line, "Frankly, my dear...I don't give a damn!" But other than that...meh.

  • May 13, 2011, 1:21 a.m. CST

    I still hate these columns, but damn, Vivien Leigh...

    by Jaka

    ...even looks hot in profile.

  • May 13, 2011, 7:27 a.m. CST

    I'll weigh in on GWTW

    by Hipshot

    I think it's a great movie in many ways, but loathsome in one: it denies the slaves their "inwardness". The title itself, as revealed in the opening crawl, is about a wonderful bygone day, something akin to Camelot, a world of cavaliers and their ladies, masters and slaves, a world...Gone With The Wind. Sniff sniff. It is a fantasy, in the sense that even the slaves seem to approve of the situation. There isn't a single scene with the slaves, by themselves, displaying the slightest awareness of their own lives, feelings, hopes, or dreams. This fits right into a Southern narrative about the nature of the institution, and that, Hey! Slavery was GOOD for slaves! They loved their masters (many, of course, did. But many also hated them and put ground glass in their oatmeal). GWTW is as much a piece of propaganda as Triumph Of The Will, and sells an image absolutely poisonous if one wants to understand American history. The fact that GWTW is the most popular film ever says all that needs to be said about how central this myth is in America, and the difficulty blacks have had in communicating the actual horror of the situation. Whites, of course, tend to gloss over its flaws because they simply don't matter. Hey, those aren't MY kids, my family. It's just a movie. Right.

  • May 13, 2011, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Leigh

    by Aaron

    The hottest bitch ever to walk this planet, or any other. Her bitchiness and doublecrossery make me want her so much more. Great movie. Just watched it a couple times in a row for a paper. Been a while.

  • May 13, 2011, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Melanie is a scumbag then?

    by ThisBethesdaSea

    You clearly don't know your Gone With The Wind.....as there are several characters that are more then likable.........namely Scarlets mother, father, sister, first husband, second husband...and to some degree, Scarlett herself, who just wants to be loved ultimately.

  • May 13, 2011, 8:19 a.m. CST

    GWTW, and STREETCAR starring Ed Asner

    by RottNElsewhere

    Saw a studio-checking print in Glendale at The Alex some years back (used as a sneak preview print, with different title, back in 38/9). Not a dry eye in the house ... Except, an interesting film, for my cents, though a bit boring in spots - it has great camp value, however historically lame, so (and thanks to the Simpsons) my partner and I were the only two in that mush-heavy theater laughing out loud. STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE (Simpsons aside) makes a great "companion piece" if you want a little faux "Scarlet-bashing." She lost Rhett, she lost everything, she ends up broke and busted in New O getting ripped up by troggie Stanley K (well, ok, just try to imagine that role then played by someone other than carved-granite Brando, like say the Hedgehog or someTHING else - an authentic Stanley K with a case-sized beergut, warts, 3 [nonsequential] teeth, a wiggy/runny eye, and more body/ass hair than if Ed Asner had a kid with Robin Wms). The real Stan K: he don't waste no time explanin' things to some bitchity back-sass; he just bends her over a chair while he's checkin out the TV Guide with the other hand (of course Stan K wouldn't really own a TV, but that's not the or his point). The south dies and rises again then dies again all over the place in 121 minutes (or in 3 1/2-minute spurts sporadically thruout the last half of the film). FYEAH!

  • May 13, 2011, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Nasty in the Pasty

    by You Have MY Voice

    So what the studios are saying is, "We realize some of these characters and plots are racially insensitive, so instead of allowing you to talk about them with your children, we'll hide them until your children are grown up so they can discover them on their own and decide the way things were wasn't so bad, after all." SOTS is not nearly as racist as people would make you think it is. Does it have a sugarcoated view of slavery? Sure. But not every slaveowner blistered their slaves with a bullwhip every moment of the day -- not that it excuses the slavery to begin with, but some owners were in fact less cruel than others. And the stories of Brer Rabbit and his ilk were taken from stories slaves told and passed down. Just because the movie doesn't take a "Roots"-like view of that time doesn't make it any less a classic, or any less worthy of being seen by today's generation. I've long thought that Disney should man up and release the film once and for all, limited-edition box-set collector-only style, and allow those who want the film to own it. Pile as many documentaries and retrospectives on it as they want, cover their asses as they see fit. They already make money off the film and the characters these days, anyway (for example, the Splash Mountain ride at Disneyland, where I've heard kids on more than one occasion ask their parents where these characters came from, only to have their parents stutter for an explanation). Do it right, there's no blowback, and people like me (and my parents, from the generation who grew up with the film as a treasured childhood memory) will be satisfied and silenced.

  • May 13, 2011, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Great timing on posting a GWTW pic...

    by Uke_Crazy

    ...for me anyway. I'm in a production of Ron Hutchinson's play "Moonlight and Magnolias" and we open tonight. It tells the story of what might've taken place when David O. Selznick, Ben Hecht, and Victor Fleming spent five (or so) days locked in Selznick's office rewriting the screenplay of GWTW after Cukor was fired.

  • May 13, 2011, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Song Of The South

    by Hipshot

    I agree that it should be released, and it probably will. But Disney had some making up to do. Not just about SOTS, but that they never had so much as a single animated frame of a single image of a black man or woman in any of their films in the entire 20th century until "Fantasia 2000." It would have been a little hard for them to claim that they were racially sensitive, with a record like that. Now, with "Princess and the Frog" they can plausibly claim that they give a shit, and release SOTS with less risk of triggering justified claims of racism.

  • May 13, 2011, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Character likability and subject matter

    by one9deuce

    Both are totally irrelevant when judging the quality of a film. The Corleone family from THE GODFATHER is a totally repugnant group of murdering law breakers. So what, the film is brilliant.

  • May 13, 2011, 10:27 a.m. CST

    You Idiots Don't Like GWTW Cause There's No CGI

    by Yarlan Zey

    Let's face it.. GWTW is not going to be popular on this site because nothing get's blown up real good and there is no Stan Lee cameo...14 year old fanboyz are probably perplexed by this behind the scenes shot.

  • May 13, 2011, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Face it GWTW is an expensive, epic in scope, over-the-top chick flick.

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Well fiddle-ee-dee.

  • May 13, 2011, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Reviews of the time

    by deelzbub

    If you ever get a chance to look @ reviews of GWTW from the time that it was released (and book reviews will do), it is surprising how many laud it for its accurate portrayal of life in the south during that time period. While there probably is some whitewashing going on, I think there was a lot less revisionist history going on there than what we get 50 years later.

  • May 13, 2011, 11:24 a.m. CST

    *150 years later

    by deelzbub

  • May 13, 2011, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Why are so many people bashing this movie?

    by Ryan

    So what if most of the characters are not "good people" per se. That in no way means the story is not interesting and entertaining. Let's also not forget that some pretty terrible things happen to these characters probably as a direct or indirect consequence of this. Even if the movie was not good it would be worth watching for the cinematography and musical score alone. I think Gone With The Wind is an epic master piece and deserves all the praise it continues to receive to this day.

  • May 13, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Gable's halitosis

    by Damned if I can login

    His halitosis was a result of dentures. I'm surprised no one mentioned this, it's a very well known fact related to the man. And despite this being well known it didn't matter one bit....every frikkin' woman in the country had the major hots for him.

  • May 13, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Q: Does anyone know....

    by Damned if I can login

    ...what the 1st scene to be filmed for this picture was? A: The burning of Atlanta Now for the big one: Q: What *famous* set was torched for this scene? A: next post......

  • May 13, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    I've seen GWTW...

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    ...And it's failure is not it's scope, or it's technical ability, it's writing or even it's performances - It's that the movie flatly refuses to make it clear that these people were SONSABITCHES. Selfish, arrogant, spoiled, egotistical cocksuckers who destroyed entire generations of human beings so that they wouldn't have to get their own precious hands dirty in the stupid pursuit of a form of government and social order that we fought a revolution barely a hundred years earlier to drive from our shores. They were FUCKERS, every last one of 'em, and I get sick listening to even stupider modern-day rednecks think that they were something to aspire to. The Southern Gentry were as UNAMERICAN as you could possibly get, yet to this day they believe that they own the fucking blueprint for patriotism and decency. Fuck 'em, and may they rot in hell.

  • May 13, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST

    The "King Kong" Wall

    by Hipshot

    Damned if I can

  • May 13, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST

    One9deuce

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    The difference, of course, is that "The Godfather" movies don't pretend that's there's nothing wrong with their protagonist's behavior. Sure, both movies are about the ruthless social climbing and complete moral destruction of the characters, but GWTW acts as if what happens to it's characters is a greater tragedy than the horrors for which they were responsible. No Dice.

  • May 13, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Wait...so the movie has to TELL you that they're assholes?

    by superhero

    The movie needs to tell you that the people won’t feature perfectly likeable characters all the way through? So no one’s see TAXI DRIVER? Give me a break. Yes, Scarlett and Rhett are despicable in their own way but the movie (never read the book) is how these people change and survive during a WAR. A WAR. It’s about how their whole way of life changes and how they have to adapt while their whole way of life is falling apart around them. Granted, the old South is loathsome for its slavery but, what, should the movie be portraying Rhett and Scarlett as plantation owners who loathe slavery? That’s not how it was back then! I’m guessing you’re all big fans of Mel Gibson’s THE PATRIOT then? Please! It was the Old South and they obviously had big egos (and still do in some areas) that’s what makes them interesting!!!!! That and how their definitions of themselves are shattered and they pull themselves back up afterwards and are still flawed. Yeeesh, as if all movie characters had to be these boring and pure protagonists. Seems to me like most that are trumpeting CASABLANCA that Rick isn’t exactly squeaky clean himself. Or were you not paying attention? I’m fearing for the future of movies indeed if this talkback is any indication of where the current movie fan’s tastes lie…

  • May 13, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Leigh makes my South rise again.

    by Snookeroo

    Just sayin'.

  • May 13, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Bashers

    by TheComedian77

    To those who 'hate'; I think it may have been Roger Ebert who said of The Searchers (and I'm paraphrasing); "The Searchers is a classic....yes it has a whole lot of shitty shitty awful so called fucking comedy that makes it far from perfect......but if you close your eyes and go 'la la la la la la la' and pretend those scenes don't exist it's PERFECT!" Yes, he said something like that, in his own way. Now......it you ignore the worst scenes in The Searchers, then you can ignore the few small foibles GWTW may have. That said, I think most of what people are saying here is bull. Where does this obscene idea come from that we need to portray people from the past as absolute monsters because their moral compass was different to ours?! Moreover, owning slaves don't necessarily equate to frothing at the mouth Neo-Nazis....but that's a different conversation. Watch the film for what it IS, not what you think it should be. Rant over.

  • May 13, 2011, 1:17 p.m. CST

    3 hours of watching Vivien Leigh swoon over Leslie Howard

    by ragingfluff

    Was there ever a more ineffectual actor than Leslie Howard? Scarlett is a spoiled, spiteful little bitch who spends years mooning over Ashley Wilkes (and she ruins him, her sisters and other men along the way), but he's nothing to write home about at all ... and to listen to Leslie Howard's thin, pompous, plummy voice (really, he was the Anthony Andrews of his day), you have to wonder what she was thinking.

  • May 13, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST

    half-baked-goggle-box-do-gooder you're absolutely right. Thanks for the reminder.

    by Jim_Kirks_Crunchy_Delicious_Chair_Apple

    It's easy to forget what you're pointing out when swept along in the moment of epic cinema entertainment. I wish AICN had an edit feature so I could rewrite my earlier post. GWTW's massive social failure is that it did sanitize, glamorize, and idealize an authoritarian, elitist, abusive, exploitive, slave-holding culture. It remained one-sided throughout and utterly failed to remind audiences of the moral realities of that culture and its beliefs and practices. And Ashley's noble declaration that he would have freed all his slaves after the war anyway seemed to imply that all rich white Southern slave owners were likewise noble and honorable and would have done the same. When in reality they were fighting (or sending poor white Southerners to fight) to keep those slaves, not free them. It should have a leading disclaimer like they post on vintage racist cartoons -- that those authoritarian, abusive, and exploitive beliefs and practices were wrong then and wrong now.

  • May 13, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    One9deuce

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    No, I'm not saying that the movie should have to explain everythuing to the audience. But, follow your own logic....If, a few years from now, some studio tried to market a movie about how sad it was what happened to Saddam Hussein and his poor, misunderstood kids, and how fucking ROMANTIC it all was beneath the desert moon and the timeless allure of the Babylonian archtitecture, calmly ignoring the wholesale murder and human suffering that those demented motherfuckers inflicted on their fellow countrymen, and then those mean old Yankess showed up to spoil their god-given party - You'd shit a fuckin' brick. That's EXACTLY what GWTW does - It expects the viewer to feel SORRY for some of The Worst People In The World, and the catastrophe that the selfish bastards bring down not only on their own heads, but pretty much the rest of the entire country. Again - Fuck 'Em, and may they roast in hell.

  • May 13, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST

    hipshot...

    by Damned if I can login

    You da man...

  • May 13, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST

    PS:

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    I fuckin' LOATHE "The Patriot". Absolute piece of shit. The only thing watchable in it is Ledger's refusal to play his role as a pretty-boy.

  • May 14, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST

    So what?

    by one9deuce

    Why do some of you talkbackers need movie characters to have a strong moral compass? Some of the most fascinating characters in cinema history are terrible people! Including Rhett Butler and Scarlett O'Hara.

  • May 14, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST

    It's not about the characters, O9D

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    It's about the movie's attitude towards them and towards the audience. GWTW takes EXTREME liberties with history, to cast a favorable, sympathetic light on inhuman pricks who deserved every rotten thing that happened to them. And NEVER MIND how "accepted" their behavior was then - You'd be OUTRAGED if somebody made a movie today showing how normal, righteous and decent the Taliban or al Queda believe themselves to be, while totally ignoring the atrocities they've committed.