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Metallica and MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 2'
Well... This would be cool... if it comes to pass. Harry here with the word that Metallica is currently deciding whether or not to contribute to the soundtrack for MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 2. All I know, is if I were them, I'd do it.. and have John Woo shoot the video... that guy is just plain amazing. That being said... a bit of local AUSTIN cool news... It seems that SAMMO HUNG will be coming to the ALAMO Drafthouse sometime soon (haven't got the dates or the films yet, but soon as I do... I'll let all of you know. I'm quite excited about this) Now onto my man's report...
Hey Harry!
Long time surfer, second time writer.
A little bit of news coming from those on the "ins" at the Metallicamp.
Evidently, Metallica is
considering contributing to the Mission Impossible 2 soundtrack. Now, we
Metallica fans know that this is ground breaking only because of Metallica's
stance when it comes to lending their music to the commercial media......they
don't. (Unless you count their allowance of D.J. Spooky to re-mix "For Whom
The Bells Toll" for the Spawn soundtrack.....which I don't.)
While there was speculation early last year that Metallica would pitch in
and possibly do the opening tune for the credit sequence of The World is Not
Enough, it didn't happen.(Thank God they didn't, as that was the most
dissapointing Bond film ever created.) Whether this was because of good
intuition on their part or being turned down, who knows.
I will throw in my two cents and say this. Mission Impossible was a good
awful movie. Now, while John Woo may have his name attached to the incubus'
sequel, he isn't the most diverse director. Expect MI:2 to have the same
elements of any given Woo film: hammy dialouge, slow motion shots of the
protaganist/antagonist in a trench coat either a.) firing their guns while
running from explosions or b.) running away from gunfire and trying to avoid
explosions, a plot that can be stretched thinner than the dough surrounding a
Chinese dumpling, and John Travolta. O.k.....I think I might be wrong about
the John Travolta aspect. But Tom Cruise is the same thing......only younger
and thinner. Yes....the trailer does show Cruise in a slow motion/long
jacket sequence.
If Metallica does decide to lend their music to the film, only one
party's credibility will be boosted.....and my friends, it will not be
Metallica's.
Til Later,
James.
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I don't reall see whgat would stop Metallicash from doing the film. They have already proven that they want to be as commercial as they can be. And in case you forgot they already sold out once about 6 or 7 years ago.
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Er since when did Matallica
or any other Metal group have
'credibility'. Its the year 2000
not 1984 ya hairy ape.
Anyway I thought the trailer looked pretty cool in a 'Molboro
man advert' sort of way...
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Doing the bond theme, no, my god, whoever turned them down on either side desrves a pat on the back. Besides, as a teen when this kind of music seemed relevant, Metallica lost their edge with the passing of Cliff Burton.
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The original was good but too much focus on Tom Cruise.
I hope the second one focus on the mission impossible team.
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...but man does this look like he's taking the wrong tack with his direction of MI2. Now I was already pissed when I found out who the villian was in MI1- I will not even get into how much that burned the ass of people who loved the t.v. show. I heard John Woo was gonna direct this one and I was ecstatic... until I saw the trailer. Cruise dodging bullets and doing facny karate kicks in a trenchcoat (like we need parents bitching about that again). But the main problem is that it looks like this gonna be another "star" vehicle for Cruise and once again they are gonna neglect to remember that Ethan is part of the Impossible Mission FORCE! You know- as in more than one? A great MI movie really needs for each of the team members to depend on each of the others for their very lives, there is simply no two ways about it. So, I expect that the Woo film will be visually engaging and suffer in character developement. Plus, Cruise as a chop-socki badass??!! Oh God no! I can be menaced by the likes of Chow Yun-Fat, but Tom Cruise looks like someone I could bitch-slap. I will try to hope for the best anyway. Oh, and as for Metallica not doing the theme for the most profitable Bond film ever made... gee, they were so lucky to have missed THAT gig! Jesus that guy was an ass!
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I must be honest- I used to have the same mindset as many of the people who said that Metallica went commercial and sold out beginning with the black album. I think anyone who thinks this would seriously reconsider their stance if they saw Metallica live. I saw their show in Chicago on Tuesday and they kicked the ass of everyone in the building. They may have changed their approach some since the early days, but it's just growth in the band. If they didn't adapt they would have been gone long ago. The concert was two days ago and my ears are still ringing. I think Metallica contributing to M:I 2 would be cool because of the nature of the film and the JOhn Woo visuals. BUt, I guess we'll see.
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Ever see the horrifying documentary "Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills?" There are several Metallica songs in it, all authorized.
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Oh awesome! Metallica's gonna do a song for some soundtrack? Whoopee! Is it just me, or does anybody else here wish, just for a moment (upon hearing James Hetfield go "whaa" like the hemorrhoid sufferer he is) that Metallica would suffer another cool bus wreck? Fucking wankers. I'd write more, but I gotta go tease my hair and blow a load.
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They're going to be doing some original stuff for the follow up to Paradise Lost. I think it's to help raise money for those kids' legal defense.
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Cruise is wearing a trenchcoat in the MI2 trailer? You wanna tell me where? He looks like he's wearing black shirt/pants the whole time. And what about Hard-Boiled? No trenchcoats, no doves.
But if that's all you see in Woo's movies, then you are woefully missing the point. Though I have to ask, what else would any other director bring to MI2? Hollywood action blockbusters practically live and die on the style and technical skill of their directors. That being the case, Woo has those areas locked up, IMHO. Better still, he's one of the few major directors who has consistently paid attention to the script and actors whenever possible (ie, when he has any control). As for Metallica, might be cool or might not be. Who cares? It's just one song. Anyway, I'm sure they won't embarrass themselves and the movie given how supposedly infrequently they do this.
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YOU ARE A FUCKING JUMPED UP IMMATURE, PRETENTIOUS MORON WITH AN INTELLECT THE SIZE OF YOUR PATHETIC MANHOOD. I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say that it's cool to have opinions but to wish Metallica another bus accident???? They lost not only their bassist but a life long friend, and anyone who knows the band realises that he was a sound, inoffensive bloke to boot. Then you come around, thinking you're tough by insulting their tragedy. It's not smart and merely highlights your lack of intelligence when it comes to communicating a worthwhile point of opinion. How would you like it if your parents, kids or friends were killed and someone wished that it would happen toyou again? Have you even the slightest amount of tact and sense to realise the imapct your poorly chosen words can have? I also hope that your name isn't gesting fun at the passing of someone else. If it is then Harry should start restricting this sight to human beings that are capable of compassion and stating a point without resorting to crude, offensive and childish comments.
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Jan 06, 2000 9:18:17 AM CST
Metallica signed on to the film a month ago as my site plainly s
by larry cucumber
I'm sure this is the kind of guy that wants his action films void of character, emotion and complexity. Bring on Black Dog 2!! Gah, my MI2 site had this a month ago--http://www.angelfire.com/az/ScarabNET/miindex.html
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What happened to classical music in film. The marketing departments are ruining films. If 2001: a space a space oddessy were made today it feature Britney Spears songs. As far as Metalica I personally do not like them, but they do have talent. If metalica wants to make more music fine. When I see a movie the last instrument I want to hear is an electric guitar, or pop music.
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Word has it that Jan DeBont has dropped out (great news, if you ask me) and Sam Raimi is now in consideration, although David Fincher is still the leading candidate to helm the project, due to his schedule being so freed up for a while. Just thought I'd report it to you guys!
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I actually thought the first Mission:Impossible movie was quite good. The story was labyrinthine and hard to follow, which is good. I went back to see it again after my intitial viewing and realized that there are many subtle clues in the movie that reveal more about the plot. M:I is not one of my favorite movies of all time, but it was good and doesn't deserve the constant slagging it always gets. I particularly liked the title sequence. I'm looking forward to Woo's take on the franchise much more than I'm looking forward to DePalma's Mission to Mars. I saw the trailer for that in front of TMR this past weekend: 2001 rip-off big time. Metallica, I can take or leave, but their music should start things off with a bang and help send us on what will hopefully be a great ride.
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It is nothing but good.
Opening credits with a backdrop of Metalicca blasting away will get this movie moving ahead at a breakneck pace. I feel sorry for any other bands that may contribute, because few can match Metallica's power. Remember when they played "One" at the Grammys? Just the look on the faces of the crowd was worth sitting through the rest of the program. They didn't have a clue what metal was, and gave the award to Jethro Tull.
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I hope MI:2 is a great flick, but I have my doubts. Woo is becoming a parody of himself, and I doubt if this commercial cash cow is going to be anything more than a sleepwalk directing job. But I'll go see it, so fuck me.
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I've never been a big fan of Woo, and when I heard he got MI2 I only feared the worst... and the trailer... well... I wasn't quite sure if the M stood for Mission or Matrix. Instead of plot and really intense (a-la train) action scenes, this film will rely on big explosions and 'matrixy' effects... I dont know what cruise was thinking.. I guess he just let his ego go to his head..
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I LIKE... slow motion shots of the protaganist/antagonist in a trench coat either a.) firing their guns while running from explosions or b.) running away from gunfire and trying to avoid explosions
No need for the negative attitudes towards slow motion kicking and close ups of spent shells hitting the ground.
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Snifflesq you are a true moron. You may not agree with metalllica's direction since and justice or whenever( and for the recoed neither do I), but to wish them another bus accident is just plain malicious and it betrays what I am sure is a very low IQ. But Slayer Montag606? Not bad, I can't think of many bands who can give the perennial underrated a run for their money in the aggressiveness and heaviness dept.
And Sir Slob? There's a time and a place. Sure Kubrick taught us a lot by his use of classical music in films but can you picture Fight Club with Where Is My Mind at the end replaced by Pacelbels Canon In D? thought not. sometimes a specific emotion or idea needs to be communicated and wordless music can't do it. if an aggressive emotion needs to be communicated then classical music takes a backseat to metal unless you want to use the played to death in film carmina burana or ride of the valkeries. but whatever i rest my case peace out
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I read this on Mr. Showbiz three weeks ago in an article which included quotes from Metallica saying it was definite.
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And fuck Metallica!! They all blow! My crack will engulf the bunch of them!! HEY! STOP LOOKING AT MY CRACK!
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...and that's the truth. Ozzy is the Elvis of metal, and Metallica is the Beatles. They didn't invent it, but they made heavy metal something more than cliched headbangers who scream about blood and Satan. Metallica writes songs, lyrically smart and musically diverse. They're the inspiration behind every good metal band around. I like KoRn, Slayer, System of a Down, Coal Chamber and others, but you must still respect those who came before. Those who say Metallica sold out, you are so wrong I feel pity. They grew as musicians, breaking new ground every album STARTING with the Black Album. Listen to S&M: that album is fucking art. Beauty. Perfect. Peace.
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Metallica may lend their music to MI2, but so what? It'll just be another tune on the soundtrack.
Lending music to movies is a double-edged sword. Many of the bands I like have been on the bad side of the blade.
The World is Not Enough was Brosnan's best Bond yet (first time he made Bond seem human, took him long enough).
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Now that I've given the final word on Metallica, on to the movie. The first MI was a good spy movie, with crosses and double-crosses. Action and mystery together, which is what a good spy movie should be, what TWINE attepted but failed. I don't see a problem with MI2's action scenes being ike the Matrix. That's a good thing! The Matrix's fights were the best combo of SFX and old fashioned chop-sockey I've ever seen. I just hope the script doesn't sacrifice plot and suspense altogether just to make room for stylish shoot-outs. Still, John Woo's no fool, and as much as you'd like to believe it, neither is Tom Cruise. Peace.
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You forgot one - doves. Those damn doves even made it onto the M:I2 poster!
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Has anyone seen "Your Friends and Neighbors"? That film used instrumental versions of Metallica songs, to quite good effect too.
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your comments on the trailer are so dead on the money. the trailer, while slick and cool enogh to raise a cheer in the audience i was with, displays that this won't be too much better then the first. i mean, come one, shouldn't they at least ry and make us believe that this guy is human. Cruise looked like a Gambit type hero spinning and kicking his way through a video game. I'm all for stylish Woo films but don't really understand that choice for MI. A group of highly specialized, intense characters that have to work togethewr to survive IMPOSSIBLE situations is a million times more compelling then one man kicking and leaping his way through a technological Castle Vania. Anyway.....sigh
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Hey does anyone know when Eyes Wide Shut is going to be released on DVD? Also, what are the features and are we going to be able to see more naked flesh, the way Kubrick intended it to be? Just wondering
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While Metallica's one of my favorite bands, they did the unspeakable by adding themselves to the WCW's MAYHEM CD, and a live version of SEEK AND DESTROY is now used as Sting's entrance music. When I first heard about this, I thought someone was telling a really bad joke. Christ, they turned down Heavy Metal: FAKK2 because they didn't want to be pidgeon-holed as a "Heavy Metal Band." But tacked themselves on to pro wrestling. Don't get me wrong, I like wrestling, and I like Metallica....I also like oranges and refried beans, but you don't see me mixing my oranges with refried beans...get it?
John Woo and Metallica makes much better sense. Now, get Michael Kamen to do the soundtrack with the band...that would be a feat! ..and to all my detractors, I got two words for ya! -
...EYES WIDE SHUT will be released on VHS sometime in March. As for DVD, I have no idea. It might be awhile before we see that, and from what I understand, those were specific directions from the man himself. As for the un-cut version (or rather, the version without the CGI's covering up parts of the orgy scene) one can only hope that we will get to see Kubrick's true vision.
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Metallica went into the studio to record this song the day after the Billboard Music Awards last month. It is not the theme from MI, just some tune that they'll probably play two seconds of in the film in order to make a mint off of the soundtrack album. Mr. Showbiz had this on their site last month, and the two big MI2 sites followed, and so did my dang site, DE PALMA a la MOD (www.angelfire.com/de/palma). And the trailer for MISSION TO MARS is very Kubrickian, yes, but hasen't anyone figured out by now that De Palma's cinema is in dialogue with other filmmakers? This "rip-off" criticism is really old, as if De Palma thinks he's putting anything past you by blatantly (or even subtly) bringing older movies to mind. There is something ironic about the fact that Kubrick's film takes place a year from now, making it seem a little bit over-optimistic, and De Palma's new film takes place 20 years from now. De Palma's cinema is very dreamlike, and just as dreams incorporate and appropriate things seen in waking life, De Palma's films incorporate and appropriate images and sounds that a collective audience has experienced in the past. De Palma toys with you, reminding you of what you've seen before and yet making something new. He's a satirist, a surrealist and a formalist. De Palma is a film scientist, experimenting with the psychological experience of his audience. Many don't remember or didn't even consciously notice the way that De Palma slipped traces of Kubrick's 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY into MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE. With M2M he is making the resemblences much more overt, but only a hack movie watcher would think De Palma is only being a hack by doing so. If you watch the preview carefully, you see that it incorporates the sound of a human breathing inside a space helmet, directly lifted from 2001 (and definitely supposed to remind you of the Kubrick film). Gary Sinise and company, however, have removed their helmets -- no one is appears to have any trouble breathing as they slowly approach the black hole type sphere that echoes the shape of Kubrick's monolith. The effect is sort of like a dream -- the sound should not really be there, but it works on several levels at once: it reminds of Kubrick's film, and a rather dramatic, tense part of the film, at that, thus adding drama to the preview. And to those unfamiliar with Kubrick's film, it still has a rather tense, HALLOWEEN-stalker type of intensity and suspense that punctuates the astronauts' cautious approach. It is not very likely that this is how the scene will play out in the film, unless there is something we as a preview audience are being kept in the dark about (which we almost surely are). The effect of the preview, which is meant to bring audiences into the theater regardless of what the actual film turns out to be, is mysterious yet familiar.
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Yawn!. These are last year's news. Why bother commenting on them?
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or some other raver already signed to do the theme song to MI2. I'm pretty sure it is Moby.
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Limp Bizkit has lended their talents to do the theme song for M:I2! As you might remember, U2 did the first films theme song. Just thought I'd add that in.
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SSzero, Montag606 and the rest...you make a great case for Star Child's decision to destroy the earth...Artaud in a bottle made a valid point... LOOKCLOSER... Metallica's New Sound...Read before you make asses of yourselves...oh and metallica had a few good years, but they fell of their game...when a cutting edge eighties band's writing devolves into songs of alienation stemming from the rock star look, and other banalities..ie: tattoos, long hair, beer...they are in the position to assimilate...whether or not it is successful, well, that all depends on how adept(MM) they are...While Korn IS one of the most innovative rock bands of the nineties..on par with Janes Addiction...Issues is their best yet
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Metallica on the soundtrack of MI2 would be really fucking cool. They should have a lot of cool rock bands on there, like, Korn, Rage, Filter, Static x, Sevendust. If not, there is always the Scream 3 soundtrack, which should rule. Now Limp Bizkit is a bunch of sell outs. Anyone who denies it, is a fucking blind retard. Just listen to both of their albums. They have completely changed their sound to appeal to the masses. Fred Durst is a greedy, cocksucking whore. I can't wait for his so called movie to come out, so it can bomb like the turd it is sure to be. Has anyone seen that Ntogether now video, what a piece of shit! Pauly Shore was MIA for so long until that cock Fred brings him back. Fuck Limp Bizkit! By the Way, SSSZero, You rule dude.
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Rock music nowadays is kind of wack, there are a few bands that can Jam, but not many, the exceptions go to, Rage Against The Machine, and shit, i guess thats all, i admit that metallica is talented as fuck!, has anyone heard that song they did with the san francisco symphony?, called like 4 leaf clover?, well listen to the beginning of that song and tell me that 20 or seconds would not be the music that you would want to hear at the beginning og "Lord Of The Rings"?
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...I would like top hear Phish do the score for Lord of the Rings. I think that they can perfectly capture the essence of Tolkien's world.
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Phish is good, i havent heard much of them, i own a double live cd of them, but havent given much play to it, but i think that the LOTR score, needs to be "EERIE" and "Heartfelt", Where is "Sublime" when you need them, Now Brad Nowell was a musical genious, just listen to their Robbin The Hood album, womderful
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That's a very nice rationalization, Cars, but I'll have to reserve judgment until I see the film. Right now, IMO, the overt theft of Kubrick's imagery is a little distasteful. I've been a fan of DePalma's in the past (loved THE FURY, BLOW-OUT, and THE UNTOUCHABLES,) but, after SNAKE EYES, I'm awfully wary of his latest effort. I will, however, place a bet that he attempts to top his opening tracking shot from SE somewhere in M2M. Never has one man worked so hard to call attention to his craft.
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Fuck Phish! Fuck Kubrick!! Fuck DePalma!!! And FUCK ALL OF YOU!!! CrackDaddy is tired of reading nonsense posts from all of you morons!! All of you fuckers will be engulfed by my crack, so fuck off! HEY! STOP LOOKING AT MY CRACK!
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Metallica wasn't just contributing a song, they would actually be doing the Mission Impossible theme, similar to, I think it was U2, for the first film. Kirk Hammett playing that classic "doo-doo-doo, doo-doo-doo, da-da", that would fuckin rock!
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It was mentioned above that 'Your friends and Neighbours' contains metallica instrumentals. If anyone is interested these songs were performed by Apocalyptica, whose album "...plays Metallica by four cellos" is funnily enough a Metallica cover album played on four cellos. It is seriously a must own album for any Metallica fan, especially those who appreciated S&M, even though it's way better than that.
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...so a music expert are we??? Just curious, what do you think of Phish, Led Zeppelin, Beatles, and The Scorpions??? Enlighten me with your wisdom.
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and blah. metallica should not score this movie because it will date the film. moby, chemical bro's, hell get thom yorke from radiohead....they can create powerful, exciting, sublime and TIMELESS (well as far as we're concerned) music that will do what a film score is supposed to do, aid the movie, raise the film to higher levels and pull at your soul through your ears....that is what john williams and danny elfman ect ect do and that is why good film makers don't pick the bands of the moment to include tracks. bands of the moment sell albums and ultimately date and deflate a film. This kind of techno-ambient music can achieve the result of a classical score (Moby's work on Heat) while still retaining the coolness and thrust of modern pop. anyway...
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I laugh heartily at anyone who thinks that the plot or story for MI:1 was complex or hard to follow. Action? Which action scene was cool, or were you too busy jamming to the MI theme? And plot holes HOLY SHIT! The FBI allowing LOCAL firefighters into their headquarters? Flying a helicopter in a train tunnel? Anyone notice that half of the NOD list had already been transmitted? The plot for that goddamn movie was plain within 5 fucking minutes. I don't even have to mention how they gang-banged the TV show with their flacid, puss-ridden cocks. MI:1 was a tom Cruise vehicle. Ronin was what MI:1 SHOULD have been like. MI:2, even with Woo at helm, will be another Tom Cruise vehicle.
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What's the deal with the hard rock in M:I-2? Metallica is doing a song now, and didn't I hear that Limp Bizkit is doing the theme? Now, ah reely likeah Metallikah--yeah. And, though I don't own their album or anything, I think Bizkit is better than most groups today. At least they have a bit of diversity. But anyway, is M:I really a rock movie? I thought the techno theme and Danny Elfman score fit the first one much better. Throw this idea away and hire Carter Burwell. Pray with me that they don't put any rap in. CAN YOU FEEL ME LOOKING IN YOU?
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Hey James,
Your presumptuous and cynical remarks regarding Woo's filmmaking is more than offensive, it's downright sacreligious. While I bow to no throne held by Woo, I am very much a fan and an admirer, and it steams me when pompous "insider" assholes like you blast and categorize an unreleased film based on your gossip knowledge. I truly wish there was a way to keep you from even seeing MI:2, because I know you'll be one of the same dickheads that shoots the movie down even though you secretly love the fucking thing.....
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Metallica started to piss me of with the "Balladica" routine, getting all slow and shit on me...but then I listened to S&M. Metallica with the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra. Kickass Korn- Their first album kicked ass, then Jonathan Davis got therapy, and it's all been downhill from there. Terrible. A "hardcore" Backstreet Boys. Limp Bizkit- I fucking hate Limp Bizkit. Aside from having the stupidest band name since the Goo Goo Dolls, they're derivative, tiresome, and so full of bullshit attitude I can hardly stand it. Not to mention the fact that Durst is a prick with no respect for the REST of the band...there are other people in the band other than him! Really! You'd never know it from watching the videos. Besides, they have Method Man on a song, and he actually rhymes "is" with "teeth" (be pronouncing it "teefiz") which infuriates me in and of itself. -Di
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Have you lot all gone mental? The greatest hard rock band of the eighties and nineties is without a doubt S O U N D G A R D E N. They revolutionised heavy rock music, steering it AWAY from the self indulgent excessess of Metallica and their ilk, making it a viable, artistic and serious music form again like it hadn't been since the days of Led Zeppelin. Sure, Metallica inspired a lot of bands, but they inspired a lot of crap bands. Soundgarden while not only producing a continual line of incredible albums throughout their existance, inspired and lead the way for important bands like Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Rage Against the Machine who along with SG set the musical tone of rock for the nineties. Everything since has been a pale immitation. And Korn? Korn are nothing. They just jump on to whatever bandwagon happens to be passing.
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Jan 06, 2000 9:01:09 PM CST
Metallic doing an instrumental version of the M:I theme. Oh yeah
by jopapa
Man that'd be sooooo fucking cool (to hear Metallica's theme, not to cum in my pants). Actually I just wanna know who did the metal sounding version in the teaser. Anyone out there know????? I would be forever your dirty love slave...
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I know I know that's a controversial statement but controversy sparks discussion and isn't that where all the fun comes from? I think that Hitchock and Kubrick are right there with him, but Woo brings emotional complexity and rich and real characters to the screen along with the most original action around. Don't get me wrong I loved the Matrix, but it was just because it held me off until Woo showed them up. Woo is the best director alive, and I'd also have to say that the Metallica CD with Michael Kamen was rocking and beautiful at the same time--I don't think that's ever happened before.
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I have been anticipating this more than any other film--I really would rather see another Woo film than LOTR or Episode 2. (although LOTR will be wonderful but E2 will be nauseating) Woo will not disspoint. You can break down my door if he does. PS That rock riff from the MI2 trailer is incredible. Who did that?
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I personally can't wait for this. i could honestly care less about the movie, but new metallica music is always worth any price of admission. while i value peoples opinions, i don't quite see the where people are saying that Metallica is copying Korn. since when did Metallica become Rap-Metal? also musically its a much different style. korn is controlled noise, which they pull off quite nicely. i like korn very much. metallica however, are musicians to the full extent of the word. metallica is a much more melodic band with focus on notes and harmonies. do you view movies the same why you did 17 years ago? no you don't because you've grown as a person. metallica would have sold out if all of there albums sounded like kill'em all. just straight thrash metal. but they've grown from every album, reaching their pinnacle (personally) with Master of Puppets, but they have always stayed above the bar with all of their albums. also to anyone who is cruel enough to wish harm to any member of metallica. i dare you to say that to James Hetfield's face and watch him kick your ass all over the place. the song for MI2 you be really interesting. look forward to with with great anticipation.
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Metallica was never a hair band. and metallica's music isn't directed to the angry white child or male. its directed to people who like music. besides i don't know anyone under 17 who likes metallica. its not cool to like metallica anymore (its korn and limp bizkit, these days), yet they still kick ass on teh charts.
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It's always fun to see people who couldn't define the term "sell-out" using it so freely. Metallica is the only metal band since Led Zeppelin to show any real range or actual musical ability. It just pisses people off that shit bands they like, such as Korn and Limp Bizkit, are nothing more then bullshit spewing, posturing, talentless losers whose record sales are based more on Adidas clothing then musical merit. They're the friggin' Brittany Spears of metal. I'd like to say it's an example of "style over substance", but that would imply at least some substance, which is more credit then I'm willing to give.
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I should have thrown in the disclaimer that i don't know all the under 17 crowd in america, i simply went by teh group of people in my own little corner of the world. obviously not the whole world, sorry about that. i should say i absolutely agree with you about Jerry Cantrell. i saw his band play when he toured with metallica a few years ago. fuckin awesome. anyway, my apologies.
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.......you are so right about Ronin. Did anyone else feel like Ronin was one fo the few action movies in a long time which didn't completely insult your intelligence by including shit like slaphappy cops Murtaugh & Riggs driving through a building and not crushing anyone? Let's just hope that the 2nd MI is much better than the 1st. And for the record Limp Bizkit sucks so bad.........
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shit...I saw Duran Duran at the Universal Amphitheater in LA last year, and their version of "White Lines" rocks more than any of groups mention above.
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You all can piss and moan about Metallica and Korn all you want. But the fact remains, the Deftones are THE great rock band. It seems not many of you know about them, but they are not sell-outs and can rock extremely hard. I would love to hear at least one of their songs as the back drop of a Woo action scene, altough I'm not counting on it. And to disturbed, I couldn't agree more with your Limp Bizkit quote.
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If so, don't give up your day job. The guy who wrote this article seemed more interested in bashing a movie that isn't even out yet, rather than comment on the song (which is old news). By the way, the words "Limp Bizkit" and "talent" should never be used in the same sentence.
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Metallica is music. GRanted, Metallica has been referred to by me on more than one occasion as SELL-OUT-ica since the release of the black album, they still put out a few good songs mixed in with their version of alternicrap (Whisky in a Jar, for one). Then there's the sadness of S&M. On the other hand, korn and limp bizkit are nothing more than rock adaptations of 'nstync and the backdoor boys. And to top it off, they're both illiterate...this is illustrated by their band names. Korn is a crowd of no-talent, no-trining wanna be musicians who will never comprehend the concept of a 4th chord. Limp bizkit CAN'T be a sellout, they had nothing to sell in the first place. I'm sure if there was a mass exodus of integrity among musicians, only then would more of them slap together an album of cover songs and milk it for FOUR YEARS! Then when they do decide to write their own songs (or so they would have us beleive), a mentally impaired orangutan shot full of horse tranquilizers could have done better. Don't even get me started on kid rock....
Personally, I don't think M:I was that great of a movie, but John Woo is definitely not the right person to give control of this fledgeling franchise. -
Let 'em do the M:I theme song! Who cares!? It can't be any worse than the last one (which was NOT by U2, by the way; just the bass player and the drummer worked on it...if you can call that work). As for Woo, his best films have been made and he knows it. Now it's bank account stuffing time!
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nuff said
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upon reading all of these posts, and remembering what i was thinking while watching 'any given sunday'...do we really want two-hour music videos? some directors, david fincher being a notable example, have used music video-like techniques to their fullest, and it's done nothing but improve the film. however, this is the exception, not the rule. i'm arguing that it doesn't matter what song's in the film, and that this sort of hype is to simply sell more cds. well, as a truly great band once said: "don't believe the hype". think carefully...you're being sold more than you would think.
just for the record, i think metallica is a good thing that's been allowed to go on for way too long. their recent S&M just sounded ridiculous to me, and i really wanted to like it, a good idea that just wasn't executed well. (or maybe just wanted to sell records by releasing their second non-studio double disc in a row).
i would suggest that music from the new nine inch nails cd would be more appropriate for an action movie, but that music's too good to be used in ANY mainstream hollywood movie.
korn, limp bizkit...these bands are just bad. innovative? no. (faith no more and suicidal tendencies and even anthrax were doing the rap-metal thing earlier and better). but everyone will get what they deserve. i'm often hearing limp bizkit mentioned alongside the backstreet boys and n'sync these days. korn will be a joke before long, if they aren't already.
okay, that's it. sorry for the long rant.
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The first thing i want to say is that a soundtrack can have all the words it wants...a SCORE is what is supposed to contain 'classical, or techno, wordless and basically subtle rthymns which slide along with the action easily.' Just thought i'd clear that up. Second, while i do agree that metallica has more musical talent than the bizkit/korn boys could wish for, their songs still do nothing for me. i can appreciate a good beat, but that's why i have my kubrick soundtracks, so the stupid words don't get in the way. Just for the sake of argument, my top five bands ever: The Cure, Depeche Mode, Pearl Jam (waaaaay better than Sound Garden, or Alice In Chains, who sucks in my opinion), Nine Inch Nails, and Ben Folds Five. with a little Violent Femmes in there too just to have some fun. anyhow, most music today in just plain trash. And to the poster who suggested Thom Yorke...what a brilliant suggestion. his voice is magic. last note, if de palma is gonna blatently 'rip off' from another driector/film, who better than kubrick, and what film better than 2001. with the possible exception of a clockwork orange =)-Alex
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All this arguing about best band, and most talented musicians, and not once have I saw an accurate statement. I have read statements declaring Metallicash as having melody and harmony. I have read statements that have said that Metallicash is the only Metal (pop now) band to show any kind of range since Led Zepplin. Not once have seen the name of the Kings of Metal though. I challenge any of you to go and find an album by MANOWAR and then make these statements. Any of their albums would make you people ashamed that you have said these things, but the one that I fell really highlights their ability is Triumph of Steel. Just in the first song they have poured more talent than all of these other bands could comprehend. And it is not just their ability to play their instruments instead of wearing them, it is in their ability to write like no others. Metallicash writes songs--period. They can try throwing in a couple of violins and cellos, to try and make it soulnd like a symphony. but it doesn't. It just makes it sound like a badly written song with cellos and violins. MANOWAR writes symphonies, so they don't need all of the other crap. It is not the insruments that you play with that give you harmony, melody, or sympnony--it is the notes that you are playing. Listen to MANOWAR. They are the best, and thay are perfect for LOTR. They love to write songs about epic battles, and knights, and that whole image. I wish I could give you send you all tapes of theirs with songs taken from all of their albums, then you could see how well they would fit this movie. Two other bands that I think would do a good job with LOTR are Savatage and Iced Earth. Iced Earth may not be one of the top 5 most talented bands but I think that I would have to include Savatage on that list. If there is anyone still reading this do yourself a favor and check out MANOWAR.
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Joey DeMaio is God. The only problem is that you Americans haven't realized it yet. Every single album they made is a fuckin' masterpeace (maybe except LOUDER THAN HELL which was just fuckin' great). Do yourself a favor and listen to BRIDGE OF DEATH, MASTER OF THE WIND or SPIRIT HORSE OF THE CHEROKEE. You'll never touch your METALLICA-CDs again.
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I CANNOT believe those last 2 posts. Oh and you're right scurvy hore the deftones do rock. Oh yes, Manowar is frimly entrenched with the best bands of metal ever, including grim reaper and trixter. Jesus Christ, I can think of a million bands I'd rather listen to over those Spinal Tap wannabes......
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I went through and seriously
read all your posts.
You miserable sods!
Most of you are in Denial!
Wake up! Stop smoking crack out
your mama's brown eye!
Swiss Toni you're a sod!
Sniffles, got some good post in
there. I dont wish anyone dead
but All you bastards out
there who say Metallica rock
Metallica rule Metallica have
range Metallica evolve
Metallica grow, YOU ARE ALL
F***ING LOSERS! Metallica
Blows! The essence of Metallica
was 1982-1987. A Metallica
that didnt cover gay songs
like Whiskey in the Jar.
A James Hetfield that never
said the word "Baby" every
30 seconds and all wankers
cant deny that! I heard the S&M
I saw the Cunning Stunts.
And how can you say Metallica
is evolving when they're making
atrociously awful albums like
LOAD and RELOAD. I wish they
would UNLOAD. Lars is taking
more hamsters in the bum than
Richard Gere for Christ sake.
Metallica are a sellout rock
band. Sellout Rock bands are
nothing new, they're a dime a
dozen, But Metallica pioneered
a genre. They built a cathedral
in 1982-1987 called Modern
Heavy Metal. They joined
the higher rankings of metal
godliness like Maiden Priest
and Sabbath.
Metallica declared they'd never
make videos, wear makeup or
faggy clothes.
Now they wear makeup make videos
and wear faggy clothes and they
turned their back on their legacy
and the fans from 15 years ago
who made them. Any of you
wankers who know anything
about REAL heavy metal know it's
possible to grow, evolve and
change with the times without
destroying your exhalted past
selling out for the dollar,
go corporate mainstream and
make downright bad music.
Metallica need to wake up and
smell the coffee cause their
music belongs in the toilet.
It's so overproduced and lacks
the balls they once had.
Bland sounding 3 chord riffs
and the laziest drumming
in the world. Metallica
should go lock themselves
in a studio with a good metal
producer like Colin Richardson
(Carcass, Overkills "Underground"
Machine Heads "Burn..." and
"The More..." and Black Star)
do lots of crank, drink lots
of beer and schnapps and jager
listen to all the misfits and
samhain records all the sabbath
and maiden and priest records
and redefine the genre they
helped to define in the early
80's and quit writing stupidly
unintelligent and uncreative
tripe like Mama said and
Fuel and The Memory Still Remains
and Until it Sleeps.
Cliff Burton must be really
happy he died before metallica
went queer. For reference to
this comment, go watch Cliff
Em All one more time you
doubters of the old Metal
Metallica faith.
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They should just retire and give trying to write music...they lost it and no amount of press or commercial advertisement will ever make them good song writers again.
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They are musicians, they are artists. They write ALL their own songs, play ALL their own instruments, and beyond it all, they still KICK ASS! They aren't controlled by the record label or anyone else. Every album they've put out has gone Platinum, and the BLACK ALBUM has gone DIAMOND, and will receive the Diamond Award along with AC/DC sometime this year (I think for BACK IN BLACK). James Hetfield, Lars Ulrich, Kirk Hammett, & Jason Newsted are all artists of heavy metal, and they redefined heavy metal music, and no one else has been able to top them or even match them. They evolve, like the greats of all-time. The Stones, Zeppelin, the Beatles, they all evolved with their music, and they are three of the greatest bands of all-time. Metallica is well on their way to becoming one of the greatest of all-time. I own EVERY METALLICA ALBUM currently avaliable! From KILL 'EM ALL to S&M, and I'll buy the next one because Metallica has YET to let me down. The music industry may not want to admit it, but Metallica deserves more than they give them. ONE is a classic, and UNDOUBTEDLY shoudl've won the Grammy. And MTV, fuck 'em. They wouldn't know a good video if it ran over them like a freight train. Metallica has won, maybe one MTV Video Music Award. And that was for ENTER SANDMAN, but have had a LOT of kick ass videos since then (FUEL, THE UNFORGIVEN II, THE MEMORY REMAINS, etc.). It's a damn shame that no one will wake up from the overhyped crap out there and the one-hit wonders to turn their attention to the enduring & lasting power of Metallica, the true artists of heavy metal. I mean, no one has called Maddona a sell-out, and she changes styles with every freakin' album. Metallica will endure because it's a family. The fame has never gone to their heads. All they wanted to do was simply, to quote Dave Mustaine, "...to rule the world." And they do so because they can rock any place, anytime, and yet, have not distanced themselves from the fans. Metallica is the best, and you can't deny that. How much you want to bet that in 10 years, Metallica is still on the top of the world, and a good amount of the hot bands, groups, and artists of today will be the feature story on VH1's WHERE ARE THEY NOW? Just wait because Metallica always keeps it fresh and original, and have stated that they won't be doing anything like GARAGE INC. or S&M again for a LONG time to come. They'll put out an original album of music, tour, take a break from one another, and then continue to rock as they always have. -NJM
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OK, so there are the people who don't seem to want to admit that Metallica is better then the garbage they like. Not much to do about that other then watch, smiling, as their bands disappear
But then you have the people like the guy from a few posts up who can't seem to get their heads out of the 80's. Apparently, Metallica should have released re-workings of Master of Puppets every few years since '86.
You just know that guy is still running around in tight, black jeans and sneakers. But that doesn't change the fact that the other 80's metal bands have languished and, almost completely, disappered because nobody gives a flying f about one-trick ponies.
But these folks feel slighted, somehow having been cheated out of 14 years of the same thing. Master of Puppets is one of the best albums ever comitted to record, you don't need another one.
I've been to plenty of Metallica concerts since the Black Album, and, aside from simply being the best live shows I've ever seen, the crowd still goes nuts when James hits the first chord of Sad But True, when the recorded Sitar starts in for Wherever I May Roam, when Kirk starts his slide intro into Fuel or starts the opening drone for King Nothing. All the fans, from the young punks to the old guys with leather jackets and tattooed old ladies.
It's too bad you can't get into it, but at least you can sit around and listen to a bunch of bands that would kill their mothers for the chance to be a quarter as good as Metallica.
I'll give you one thing, though. If I had to sit around and listen to the same damn thing for 20 years, I'd probably go insane...
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Say what?
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Does anyone know if Metallica did the song, "Little boy, you're going to hell" in Southpark: The Movie? The artist was listed as DVDA (Double Vaginal Double Anal), so I'm guessing it was just a cover for them. The voice of the singer sure as hell sounded like Jaymz.
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DVDA is the name of Trey Parker and Matt Stone's band. Hey, this TalkBack is starting to settle down again. Let's get things rolling again. I heard Fred Durst is going to direct a movie.
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like rock music period Queen, sex pistols, bad relgoin, the stones, white zombie, powernam5000, motor head, black Sabbath, montly crue, Primus, KoRn, Blue oyster cult, velvet underground, rage against the machine, static-x, slip knot, fear factory, doors, Lynard skynard, almond brothers, thin lizzy the list goes. I will say the Meatalica one of my favorites I personally like the black album the best they wen t threw hell to make that one. Now are there best creative days over YES! You can
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...in the trailer, the Cruise boy is seen leaping to the side, a gun in each... em.. hand... er... yawn. Can't Woo find some *new* way to make his films exciting? So far everything he's done in Hollywood has been dreadful, derivative, and *deathly* boring.
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...sure while i was disappointed with their new LP (significant other), that still doesn't disput the fact that they are rather damn good musicians. if you listen closely to either album you can tell that they have a lot of talent on each instrument! hell look at korn! are you gonna say that they too sold out cuz they wanted to jam with other musicians of another style of music on "follow the leader" which lead to a total different sound than their first two cds? no i don't think so! and for anyone who says that metallica sold out as well...well the same applys to them as what i just wrote about limp bizkit...they are still extremely talented but they just wanted to explore a little more instead of going the sure route of simple thrash metal. why not put some massive attack or mogwai or even faithless on the M:I2 soundtrack? or maybe even have Lisa Gerrard & Pieter Bourke (the duo behind the amazingly powerful music for "The Insider") do the music for M:I2? now that would be killer!!!!!
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Okay maybe, James, was a little tired when he wrote his letter on the possible up coming involvement of the most overly-hyped metal turned alternative rock band. Youy want to talk about cheese you look at the quality of work that Metallica puts out. Hey I got an idea, lets cut our hair and listen to Yanni! If you think Metallica still rocks well that would be like saying that Oliver Stone doesn't believe in conspiracy theroies. The fact is people only judge John Woo on what they know and the sad fact is 95% of those people know absolutely nothing. It is that loveable 5% that have seen "The Killer", "Once A Theif" (the real one), "Bullet In The Head", or "Hard Boiled" that understand that John is a master of gunplay as well as drama. He is over the top and no holds bared and we love him for it. If only the same could be said for rock bands who have wore out their welcome.
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What's with all these asses who see the double gun shot in the MI2 trailer and then proclaim the movie will suck and be derivative, same old, etc? Excuse me, but what about the other 119 minutes and 30 seconds? Hell, what about just the rest of the action scene? Is it just going to be double gun shots, too? Idiots. And how the hell can anyone call Face/Off unoriginal and boring? Oh yeah, face-swapping sci-fi action thrillers containing ample doses of tour-de-force acting are a dime a dozen! And hummer vs helicopter vs AIRPLANE chases are so boring and commonplace, right? Please! Basing a whole argument on 1 shot from a trailer smacks of jaded fanboys desperately looking for something to hold onto and complain about.
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The fabled 'double-gun' shot does not represent the entire film, I certainly wouldn't argue that. What I *will* say, however, is that it's indicative of the general "same-old-tat-as-last-time" attitude that John Woo has brought to his American work so far. Oh, and I thought Face/Off was ludicrous, derivative (yes, *massively* so, in every way), and comparatively uninteresting. I'm sorry, but I don't find a poorly shot, badly thought out chase sequence exciting just because the hardware is huge - in fact, one could argue that it's *less* exciting because in most cases these days we know that it *had* to be achieved using CGI. Face/Off is even *more* frustrating when Woo pulls off his one genuinely interesting and entrancing (though not, I've been assured, oringinal) sequence - the kid listening to music while bullets whiz past (in typical slow motion, if I recal correctly). There is no palpable feeling of *danger* in the majority of action/chase scenes today, as there was in... oohhh... off the top of my head... French Connection 2? Bullit? The Blues Brothers, even. Do you see? The best action sequences I saw last year were the truly stunning car chases in Ronin. There we could appreciate the thrills as well as the skills of the drivers and stunt team, not merely a collection of talented graphic artists. John Woo's dogged insistence on using a small seletion of increasingly tired cliches from the bag of tricks he brought to Hollywood is doing neither him, his films, or the audience any favours. I will be in the ront row for MI2, naturally - I love all kinds of films, like *most* of us on this board. I just think that action films don't *have* to be endlessly repetetive, and it irritates me that the suspence and (over)intricate plotting of the original MI will replaced by nothing more than empty gunfire.
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-Metallica was never a cheesy "hair band" like Motley Crue or Ratt or those guys. They were always much more serious and didn`t mess with makeup or crap like that.
-Metallica copying Korn`s sound? Nope. Sorry, Metallica today sounds absolutley nothing like Korn or any other rap-metal band.
-About that rap-metal. Way back before everyone and thier little sister liked Korn, I read about them and bought their first album. They were pretty unknown at that time. And the album ROCKED. Yes, others have mixed rap and metal before, but it never sounded like Korn made it sound. It was something new and it was great. Unfortunatly, now every single friggin` new band to come out the woodwork sounds like Korn. It`s gotten WAY out of hand. I am now offically SICK of rap-metal. Please bring on something else. BTW, Deftones and System Of A Down get thrown into the 'rap-metal' catagory sometimes, but they`re not really. They are both great bands.
-Let`s talk about Korn nowadays. They`ve changed, gotten a little more mainstream, but they still kick. And to those who compare Korn to Limp Bizkit: Yes, the guys in the two bands appear to be buddies, but listen. Limp Bizkit is pure crap. Please do not think Korn is anything like them. Korn has somewhat intelligent songs (this IS metal) that aren`t all about bangin` chicks and drinkin` beer.
-Last and least, let`s discuss Limp Bizkit. This is the band that has OFFICALLY given rap-metal a bad name. Fake attitude. Stupid lyrics that struggle to rhyme. Dumb videos. All of these things are Limp Bizkit. A lot of screamin` and yellin` without saying nuthin`. Why oh why did the Meth get mixed up with these idiots?
-One more thing. Did anyone see the video for Tommy Lee`s new band, Methods Of Mayham or something. It`s called "Get Naked" and features Fred Durst and some female rapper who annoys me. This song makes me cringe. I listen to every type of music under the sun, but THIS is not music. -
I know that was a childish and derivative response but I almost burst out laughing when your response to Wesley Snipes was that the chase scene was "badly shot." I will say this once for the last time, Woo is the best director alive of any subject matter, any genre, any action scene. I love Scorcese but he doesn't hold a candle to Woo. Badly shot? So what was shot well? Firestorm? Gah, the only good thing is your IQ is so low the Scientologists will stay away from you. http://www.angelfire.com/az/ScarabNET/miindex.html
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I can't believe this talkback. We have die-hard Woo fans (such as I) and die-hard metal fans. There is no straying in subject matter or any tangents we have two subjects boiling down to the wire. (But Raimi most likely took away steam) This is what talkback is all about.
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It saddens me to see such a fine band reduced to gimmicks to prolong their career. For the last 10 years or so, Metallica has moved away from the rare combination of power, intensity, and intelligence that made them unique. They have moved as far into the mainstream as possible with such banal songs as "Enter Sandman", "Until it Sleeps", "Fuel", and "Nothing Else Matters" (by the way- NEM is the *worst* song I've ever heard). Anyway, they have so thoroughly destroyed their career with their last two CDs, "Load" & "Reload", that they've resorted to hiding behind covers of other people's tunes (Gargage Inc) and rehashing their work with the SF Symphony (S&M) to try to preserve any shred of credibility left. Now they want to do a song for a movie soundtrack... what ever happened to making a good CD? They haven't done that since ...And Justice for All.
I still love metal. I don't care if anyone says it's dated- what the hell do they know. There are some great bands out there right now raising the bar (yes, there is still plenty room to grow) in a genre thought long dead by the mainstream- check out Iced Earth, Blind Guardian, Symphony X, Gamma Ray, and Stratovarious. These bands have been languishing in the underground for a long time, but they are starting to appear in U.S. stores now. If you love metal and you give these bands a chance, you'll never listen to a post-Justice Metallica CD again. If you want to see a band with some real credibility, try Iced Earth. They drove all the way out from Indiana last summer to play about a half dozen shows on the west coast to audiences of about 100 people at each show. -
All this flaming is just getting lame and stupid and rude. If we where all talking to each other in person we would not be so impolite (down rite cruel in some cases). We would not cal each other "stupid mother fuckers in denial"
The fact is people have been calling Metallica sold out for years even before Cliff died (watch Cliff 'em all, Cliff talks about it himself).
PS I never started listening to Metallica because of advertising. I started because a friend turned me on to their music.
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whats all this nonsense about metallica selling out?? hel this is the best band ever!!! from Kill' em all to S&M every song I listened to had some meaning to me. Hell I dont care if the movie sucks! any more metallica will always be fine with me!
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i heard limp bizkit's demo for the m2m soundtrack. they took the theme song and put words to it. even in its infancy, the track was awesome. for those of you wondering how i heard it, i tuned into kroq 106.7fm (in l.a.)
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