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Stop! Hammer Time! Nordling Reviews THOR!
Nordling here.
They say that it's not about the destination, it's about the journey, and that's THOR's biggest problem. There's no plot point in it that can't be seen from space, so how we get there becomes more important. Fortunately for THOR, we get two pretty terrific performances out of Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston, as Thor and Loki respectively. Kenneth Branagh's direction is at its best when these two are onscreen, because although on paper this may be another superhero movie, no one told these actors, who play their roles with quite a bit of subtlety and nuance. When the film requires it they can go head to head but for the most part it's the quieter moments of THOR that are the best ones.
That said, I think the film suffers from a common ailment of superhero films - pacing. There's a midsection that's fairly bland because we're waiting for those plot points that we know are coming to happen. THOR also suffers the common ailment of origin story movies - you can sense that the movie wants to go bigger in scale but either story or budget constraints are keeping that from happening. Again, we know how these movies work and what's supposed to happen when it happens, but I found myself wanting to be more surprised by the film.
Thor is a braggart, full of pride. Loki, his brother, is quieter, more thoughtful, and jealous of his brother's success. When Thor is about to be named heir to the throne by Odin (Anthony Hopkins), a sudden attack by Asgard's long enemies, the Frost Giants, spurs Thor into action. Against his father's wishes, Thor invades Jotunheim with Loki, Sif (Jaimie Alexander) and the Warriors Three (Ray Stevenson, Tadanobu Asano, Josh Dallas). When Odin pulls Thor and his allies out of the fire, in his anger Odin casts Thor out of Asgard and to Earth, powerless and without his magical hammer Mjolnir. Thor must learn humility and to care for his fellow man. Meanwhile, Loki learns something about his own past, and with that knowledge he decides to take his own kind of power. Thor, with the help of Jane Foster (Natalie Portman), Erik (Stellan Skarsgard), and Darcy (Kat Dennings), must stop his brother's machinations to save both Asgard and Earth.
I do admire what Marvel Studios is doing with THOR and the set-up for THE AVENGERS. It's working very hard at creating this shared universe on film, and as they introduce these different rules of magic in a science-oriented world, Marvel has to be careful not to overplay their hand. But so far they're doing a good job, one that hopefully we'll see pay off in next year's film. My chief complaints about THOR are, once Thor gets to Earth, we're just waiting around for him to basically leave. The Earth scenes are made more palatable due to Hemsworth, who really is quite good. He knows how to bring it down but he also has a significant presence onscreen that you can easily believe that he can do the amazing things that he does.
I think Idris Elba, as Heimdall, the guardian of the Rainbow Bridge, deserves special mention. He's terrific - noble, formidable, and intense. All the fan uproar over his casting is that much hot air. He personified Heimdall and I hope we get more of him in any sequels, which you know will likely come.
But Tom Hiddleston is probably the best performance of the film. It's rare that we see a villain have an arc that is as believable as Loki's - by the climax of the film, you're almost rooting for him to succeed, and that's a big part of why the film works as well as it does. You can see the hurt and pain in his eyes turn to righteous anger and it helps that Branagh has the Shakespearean background that he does, because Loki comes from a long line of those anti-heroes - he's all Iago and Richard III, with a little Cassius built in.
In the end, I think THOR's a good movie. Not without problems, but still a lot of fun. If I had to compare it to the other Marvel films, it's no IRON MAN, but it's well above IRON MAN 2. So far, the Avengers Universe is shaping up rather nicely. If they can stick the landing with CAPTAIN AMERICA, next year's film will definitely have something to live up to.
Nordling, out.
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YEAH, BITCHES!
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May 7, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST
The thunder god went for a ride upon his favourite filly,
by UltraMeerkat
I'm Thor he cried, and the horse replied "You forgot your thaddle thilly!"
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Hokey, cheesy, illogical, and totally fucking silly. By far the weakest Marvel movie ever- and yes, probably even worse than Ang Lee's HULK. I want my $10 back.
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They really like this film on this website. I'll wait until Vern reviews it to make up my mind. Don't trust this film. If Vern likes it, I'll see it because I know I'll be able to at least appreciate it on some level. I remain unconvinced till then. It looks a bit daft from the trailers, and I've never been a massive Thor fan. This Helmsworth or whatever he's called looks quite good though.
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May 7, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST
Stifler's mom... Don't worry America Pie 4 is coming soon
by Andrew Coleman
Thor was sweet. Ignore the haters who probably didn't even see it. Also to the guy who wrote the Nordling "Hate Thor but loved Paul?" post... Did you even read the review?
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I believed it was a Thor movie .. I didn't believe Iron Man was in that universe .. I don't belive Cpt America will do as well as Thor and I don't think wide audiences will accept an Avengers movie. Personally, I think Cap is too dated and the Avengers doesn't have a wide enough appeal. I will probably be wrong, however, currently I think Thor will be the biggest Marvel Box office bang .. yet and maybe overall. I HOPE I am wrong ...
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Thor wasn't a perfect movie by any means. There wasn't a lot of plot, and what plot there was was completely predictable. But at least Thor was well-acted, well-directed, and everyone involved with it understood something that has been absent from a lot of other comic-book based movies: superheroes are supposed to be FUN and probably a little campy and silly as well. Just don't waste your money on seeing it in crappy conversion 3D.
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Over and over again, just when the New Mexico stuff was getting interesting, they would cut back to cheesy, cheap looking, illogical Asgard nonsense.
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A big reason why this movie worked was the total absence of camp. Thank God. In a movie where the hero wears a cape it could have easily turned into Batusi-level silliness.
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Thor made $25.7 million on friday. Not sure what the numbers are overseas. It will be interesting to see how much it makes for the weekend and how much it drops off next weekend. This is the riskiest movie that Marvel has released in terms of how well known the character is to non comic book types. I'm not sure how the audience will accept it. I guess there's no stopping it now. Captain America is finished and Avengers has started production. Even if Thor and Cap bomb they will still make Avengers. Maybe it would go straight to DVD?! A very risky experiment. I hope it works out. Myself I'm going to see Thor in 2D.
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THOR will make less money than Captain America, Incredible Hulk, or either of the Iron Man movies. I'd bet the farm. And we all know that box office dollars are no indication of quality, but the screening I was in had an awful lot of watch-checking going on, and this was an opening-night audience.
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and his Thor run was legendary. Hoping this movie can hold a candle to it. Great cast (Idris Elba rocks), so fingers crossed.
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But could not stand the fucking music. It's that kind of generic music you expect in Pirates of the Caribbean. Cheesy, ominous when it shouldn't, distracting. Spoiler: When Thor has been defeated by the Destroyer and is about to die, Natalie Portman goes to him, and she holds him in her arms, right before his hammer flies to him. Well, this intense moment was completely DESTROYED by the music, which would fit in any tv movie. It was alright in most (i say, most) of the movie, but it was BY FAR the worst of the movie. And Loki EATS and OWNS the movie and the rest of the cast.
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Although I think his bad ass armored outfit did a lot of the work for him.
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What happened to the "war" that Odin predicted was going to bust loose at any second? Thor got his ass schooled in humble pie pretty damn fast, didn't he? That slug-out with the Destroyer on Earth was over pretty damn quick, eh? The whole MOVIE goes by in a blur, don't it? But, nothing seriously bad about it. Good performances, good chemistry between the leads, particularly good writing for Loki, what could have been pure Asgardian cheese skillfully avoided, coherent and watchable FX, humor well-placed and organic - I'd give it a seven outta ten stars. Green Lantern still looks like shit.
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May 7, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST
Great performances from Elba, Hiddleston and Hemsworth here
by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS
Good to see that it's doing well at the Box Office too. Hopefully we'll get another one because it's a really good, fun movie.
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I really liked it a lot. There was an adorable little boy next to me who was absolutely giddy. (judging from his reaction from before and after. He didn't make a peep during the film) Perhaps his enthusiasm was infectious, because I didn't notice the problems Nordling saw. It's his job to be critical though. All I can say is it was very enjoyable to me. By the hammer of THOR!
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SPOILER: That destroyer kicking car .. with that music .. I laughed ...
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May 7, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST
mapman, Thor has already grossed over 133 million overseas + the projected 67 million domestic take, by Monday it'll reach 200 million worlwide.
by glodene
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the first negative (ish) review I've seen that explains itself. Every other has been by people who don't like this genre. Good review, I disagree with most of it but I can at least see your points.
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May 7, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST
"who play their roles with quite a bit of subtlety and nuance"
by MrJJonz
No they are not. And that what Brannagh brings as director. Everything is deliciously over the top, staged almost hammy performances bordering on the operatic. And that tone totally suited Thor. Nordling, I dread to think what you actually think is over the top is these are subtle performances to you
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As amazing as Kat Dennings' tits are, she was annoying as fuck. Her character was completely pointless. That's probably my biggest complaint. Hemsworth did an excellent job as Thor, and Hiddleston was an excellent Loki.
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May 7, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST
@jodiefostersbeaverscreening. Asgard is part of Thor. Excluding Asgard would have made no sense.
by Orionsangels
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May 7, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST
I'm about as cynical as they get and hate CG and most movies these days, but you know what? I liked THOR.
by Orionsangels
It was a nice little film. Nothing more and nothing less.
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I enjoyed the film a lot, but Loki came off like a one note whiner the whole time. I really hope he's not a central villain in the Avengers movie
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Now I feel like I know exactly what I'll be walking into when I see it tomorrow and my expectations will be reasonable. Good job.
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need i say more? Marvel dollars, people. They need it to make their Avengers movie project. And pay Sam Jackson's salary for cross- pollinating all these flicks. Thor is silly, too mystical-magical and doesn't really fit in with the current Marvel lineup they got right now. I get the powers of Hulk, Iron Man, etc...in comes a bonafide Norse GOD? Please. Guy's a GOD...no wait..er...he's an ALIEN, now. Err whatever...Thor screams "JUST GO WITH IT" and that's the problem with his inclusion...
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I've read very few Thor comics, but knew the basics from the old 60's cartoon series. Actually I'm much more of a fan of Kenneth Brannagh than the titular hero. Went in with moderate expectations, and came away loving the movie. This was the clearly hardest member of the Avengers to pull off, and Brannagh did it, in my opinion. Can't wait for CAP, and hoping Whedon can find the maturity to nail THE AVENGERS next year (not a fan of his.)
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Nordling basically writes the review I would have written, if I had any kind of writing talent and were paid to put my reviews up on a website. Exactly what I thought of the movie: not bad, not great.
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Please read the entire review. Thank you.
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May 7, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST
In Norse mythology, Heimdall and Lady Sif are siblings...
by BiggusDickus
...can't wait to see Branagh explain that one in the sequel.
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Forgive me for dissing an AICN reviewer, but there's something about Nordling's writing that sets my teeth on edge. I'm sure he's a great chap in real life, and of course I'm very grateful for him taking the time and trouble to post these reviews, but...I don't know...I appear to have taken a dislike to him. Biggus, you're a silly, irrational sod...
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... nerds calling this film 'illogical'. You fucking slay me.
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they should remake king lear...with him in the lead
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And not a word from AICN? Seriously?
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is NOT an "anti-hero."
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May 7, 2011, 4:56 p.m. CST
Flax, It's on the verge of collapse cuz Ron Howard & Co. decided to jump into bed with those hacks at Universal.
by glodene
I don't know if anyone has been paying attention of late, but over the past few years, Universal has been running their studio like those incompetent hacks over at MGM. According to Variety, Universal is starting to get cold feet over the budget, which if you think about it, that's something they should have considered before greenlighting the project, thus allowing Ron Howard & Co. to shop it else where...Hopefully to a better ran studio, such as Sony, Disney or Warner's. - FUCK FOX!
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May 7, 2011, 5 p.m. CST
For those who haven't yet seen the movie - Everyone praises Hiddleston, but make no mistake, Chris Hemsworth is no slouch here
by Robert
He is all swagger and arrogance in one scene and displays someone who is broken and defeated in another. He definitely had all of the necessary ingredients to play Thor, from the look to the attitude. He very capably carried the movie on his shoulders and will probably become a big star.
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In a packed house. Had a lot of fun, and loved.the tag at the end of the credits "Thor will return in The Avengers. "_
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May 7, 2011, 5:01 p.m. CST
Who the fuck looks at Smallville? That shit came out the gate GAY!
by glodene
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May 7, 2011, 5:19 p.m. CST
Rude ass hateful fangirls in this talkback, please go elsewhere
by Robert
Seriously, you annoying fucking mouthbreathers. You spew venom and vitriol for it's own sake and contribute nothing worthwhile to any discussion. You criticize filmmakers and actors who have more creativity and talent then you ever would in your useless lives and they will leave their stamp on the history books of mankind. What have you done again? Yes there are bad movies, but this is not one of them. You bitch because superhero movies veer too far from the source material. You bitch because they change the race/nationality of characters (There were no ASIANS either in NORSE MYTHOLOGY, racists! IDRIS ELBA OWNED AS HEIMDALL, GET OVER IT.) You bitch about the use of CGI. You bitch about wooden acting. You bitch about comic relief. You bitch...YOU BITCH...to hear (or see) yourselves bitch because you think your negativity is so important that we ALL need to see and hear it. You have your right to free speech and CAN exercise it, but this is supposed to be a DEN of geeks! What the fuck is going to make you happy? I would hate to see what mindless, pointless, piece of garbage of a movie YOU would make. Fuck the cynics, Marvel and Branagh knocked this bitch out of the park!!
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May 7, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST
Idris Elba as Heimdall did an excellent job at playing the Magical Negro archetype
by Gerald Tom
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I'd buy tickets to a three hour epic Asgard adventure provided they kept the same tone as they had throughout this first one. Let's fucking saddle up some horses to ride through space in crazy armor to kick ass!
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And couldn't have cared less about Thor as a character before I saw the film. I am not a Thor fan and don't think I've read any of the comics. Not one false note. To not have enjoyed this film you have to be pretty much so jaded and cynical that you've past the point of no return. Just a great, fun, well-acted, well-directed, exciting, emotionally resonant movie that happens to be a about super-heroes.
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That was a movie that I thought was a lot of fun too, but of course it had some really stupid parts, some really bad acting. But it was a good time. It got the job done, and I didn't leave disappointed. But I just don't see a single thing in Thor that lends itself to that sort of hyper aware, "oh god that's so cheesy" moments that take you out of a movie. Thor is not Shakespeare but Branagh knows Shakespeare and I believe he was attracted to this film because he saw that this could be a truly epic film about kings and power and betrayal and love, all those elements of great drama and somehow he made all that work in the context of a popcorn flick who's main motive is probably to sell toys. Top-Notch. I really want to see Part 2. I care about these characters and the world they live in.
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Idris Elba seems like a fine actor, and he would probably have done a good job playing a Police Captain or a Drug Dealer, but he had no business playing the Norse God Heimdall. That is why I walked out when he appeared on screen, and I demanded my momey back...
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Exactly how I felt...better than Iron Man 2,but still not quite as good as Iron Man. And the pacing was indeed the biggest complaint with THOR. Its a great cast,but the story dragged in parts....theres never any sense of urgency or forward momentum. Thor basically gets sent to earth and then just decides to chill with Natalie Portman till the end of the movie-and really,who can blame him? Still...well worth watching and a fun movie. Hope Cap is at least as good.
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May 7, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST
Iron man wasn't that great so you numbnuts are using a shitty stick to measure movies
by alienindisguise
tards
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that douchebags do exist in human form.
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Thor could have so campy, it would have sucked or taken itself so seriously, it became the films hipsters like, because its terrible. Instead it was fun, action orientated and had a nice twist at the end. The pacing was fine, Nording just picked up the card to be the reviewer to hate on this film.
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That show was a clear metaphorical represented taking dick in the ass, and not the cool kind where its a lady's ass
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yes, it was the cosmic cube
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Had to get that out there
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"I think Idris Elba, as Heimdall, the guardian of the Rainbow Bridge, deserves special mention. He's terrific - noble, formidable, and intense. All the fan uproar over his casting is that much hot air." - Guilty white liberal overcompensation, you have to love it.
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May 7, 2011, 7:07 p.m. CST
flaflaflooey, you should read A.O. Scott's "review" of Thor. He doesn't even review the MOVIE.
by blakindigo
He just moans about the CGI, summer tentpole films and why, after watching "Thor" he needed to see a small film with subtitles. I shit you not.
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May 7, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST
arafel you can have your momey back after me and Idris elba
by Phategod100
are done with her. And its mommy, shit for brains.
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LOL. Thor is a decent movie and even pretty enjoyable at times, but let's not get crazy. Iron Man is still the best Marvel movie. Deal with it.
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May 7, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST
Too bad this Thor needed a beard to seem older and Thor-like.
by HollywoodHellraiser
Looking at the old movie The 13 Warrior and the blonde Viking passed without a beard. Whereas, Chris w/o the beard doesn't. The movie was ok and Natalie was acting the same. The guy who played Loki was better than anyone. Kenneth direction wasn't outstanding and didn't blo9w me away like Fauvre on Iron Man. And the writing was tame and most eye-rolling. Worth a ticket or rental? I dunno. It wasn't as adrenline inducing as Fast Five. Maybe a rental if you got better things too do.
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in AVX/3D/7.1, was pretty sweet. When the first previews came out I thought the whole Asgardian theme was kind of hokey, however it quickly grew on me as it was juxtaposed against the dusty New Mexico scenes. Character development was adequate and the action was very good. Remember to stay through the credits :)
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Heimdal rocked.
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May 7, 2011, 8:05 p.m. CST
You mean to tell me with all their world-hopping superhuman technology, the Asgardians couldn't make Odin a fake eye?
by CountryBoy
I thought the movie was kind of lame. Another carbon-copy Hero's Journey with tons of lurid CG effects, uninspired villains and a love interest who's a semi-nonentity. Hemsworth did a good job, and some of the jokes were really funny. But overall, I dunno. It just seemed flat.
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Thor was not a very good movie, period! Seriously, fighting the Frost Giants was the climax and that was at the beginning of the movie. Marvel better obtain better scripts if they're gonna keep making these. Here's hoping they didn't mess up Captain America.
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Wrong movie. Sorry. Carry on. :)
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IIRC Odin's desire for wisdom and knowledge was so great that he traded an eye for a drink from the Well of Wisdom....at least I think that's ow it goes in the myth. Of course the film muffed that by making it come from another cause which I won't spoil, so as to the film, I think your point stands.
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"Here is the big problem, though not the only problem: Stripped by Odin (Anthony Hopkins at his laziest) of his godlike powers and his hammer Mjolnir, Thor is exiled to Earth to learn a lesson in humility — but the needed lesson never arrives. In fact, nothing much happens on Earth at all. The real action is all on Asgard; on Earth, the movie pretty much grinds to a halt. Oh, Thor gets knocked down or knocked out three or four times, mostly to comic effect. He spends a lot of time hanging around with a pretty astrophysicist named Jane Foster (Natalie Portman) and her associates, one of whom is amusingly played by Scandanavian actor Stellan Skarsgård (Angels & Demons), who says he grew up with stories of the Norse gods. In what’s supposed to be the central action set piece, Thor implausibly fights his way through SHIELD security at that site where Mjolnir has been discovered. The catch is that no one so far has been able to budge the hammer, because Odin has placed a spell on it to the effect that only one worthy of it can wield it. Since nothing has happened to make Thor worthier than when he arrived, it’s no surprise to us (and no spoiler) that he can’t budge it either. That’s as close to a moment of comeuppance as the movie can muster — and that’s about all that happens until the transition to the third act, when that big armored thing in the desert arrives courtesy of Thor’s treacherous brother Loki (Tom Hiddleston) back on Asgard. Does Thor ultimately prove himself worthy? If a single heroic gesture is all that’s needed, sure. What’s lacking is any real sense of challenge, of growth. There’s never a moment in which Thor is forced to face up to the fact that he is on the wrong path, that he needs to become more than what he is. Here is what the film doesn’t realize: Thor needed to have his arrogance and brashness lead to some real cost. How much of a cost? Consider that early on, in a skirmish on the world of Asgard’s great enemies, the Frost Giants, Thor’s waywardness already led to the serious wounding of one of his Asgardian companions — and that wasn’t enough. Perhaps Thor needed to be responsible for someone’s death. Like Tony in the terrorist camp, like the powerless Clark Kent at the same point in Superman II wailing “Father!” in the darkened Fortress of Solitude, Thor needed to come to the end of himself. Nothing remotely like that happens." Full review here: http://tinyurl.com/3mcnffw
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Thanks for correcting my opinion. Somehow I forgot my opinion was supposed to be the same as yours. And I liked Iron Man. I'm not sure how this became an Iron Man vs. Thor battle.
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Probably one of the most difficult comics to translate to film I think they managed Thor reasonably well, although I think Thor should kick Jane to the curb in favor of Sif. THAT girl can do some damage, which I hope we will see more of in the inevitable extended cut DVD.
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Is that why everyone is saying you can either like Iron Man or Thor, but not both? I'm at a loss.
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May 7, 2011, 8:47 p.m. CST
Saw it. Loved it. Totally Marvel, yet totally not a superhero flick.
by cookepuss
Thor will definitely stand out from Green Lantern because of this Marvelized mini-LOTR feel. Some great shout outs to the likes of Stark, Banner, & Hawkeye here too. Not too spoilery to suggest this since we've known it all for months. The post credits scene with the..... Shit's gonna get real come Avengers time. Contrary to some, I do think that Thor is Iron Man 1 good. I think that it even sits somewhere squarely between IM1 and Spider-Man 1. Not only did they nail the Asgard scenes, but they also cemented the concept of as shared Marvel Universe. It's good to see that Clark Gregg Agent Coulson was given more to do. With the exception of the cute, but boring Portman, every character pulled their weight and then some. The color blind casting of Idris Elba as Heimdall was also a stroke of genius. I didn't think that Heimdall's character would be as pivotal as he was. The commanding presence of Elba really did elevate what might otherwise have been seen as a key, but forgettable character. Hiddleston, Hopkins, & Hemsworth formed one pretty badass trio of Asgardians. Each one of them truly owned their character. I should note that Hiddleston's Loki was a far superior villain to Jeff Bridge's Stane or O'Rourke's Whiplash. On every level, he was more compelling and complex. Hiddleston was an unknown quantity here in the US, but I can't see that lasting for too long. Shock of shocks? Hopkins didn't ham it up as he did with Beowulf. My biggest fear was calmed with his blazingly stern, yet quite fatherly version of Odin. Very human, yet also not. It may not have been Hopkins biggest role, but it is certainly the best he's had in the past few years. Hemsworth.... I can't imagine another actor as Thor. Just as RDJ was Stark and Jackman became Wolverine, Hemsworth simply IS Thor. Hemsworth's Thor is cocky and charming like RDJ's Stark, but also fearless and shamelessly confident like Jackman's Logan. At the same time, be brings a humanity to the character that's really all his own. No chance of Marvel changing actors as they did with the Hulk. I was surprised that so much of the movie had to do with Asgard, but pleasantly so. I thought that Asgard was going to be hard to pull off, but they made it work. Really. For those fearing the CGI or the look of Asgard.... Better than what you'll likely get with Green Lantern and the very plastic-y OA or Corp aliens. That's not to say that the CGI or Asgard looked real. Not at all. If anything, it looked... REAL KIRBY. I mean that in the best possible way. Movie Asgard is everything Kirby dreamt and more. Stylish. Gilded. Surreal. Pure Kirby.
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Loved it. Hemsworth is going to be typecast as Thor since he is note perfect. The art direction is superb---I had a great time.
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Nuff said.
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Kat was AWESOME. even clothed.
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The ponderous middle is a flaw, and some thudding dialogue, but overall I thought it was a good, fun, funny movie. I liked it. I think they did a great job of establishing the character for the Avengers movie.
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I realize it's your opinion, but sometimes opinions are so glaringly wrong that they become ridiculous. Flawless movie from beginning to end? Come on, now. Also the Iron Man statement wasn't aimed at you. I was just making a statement based on my opinion. I think the majority would side with me on that too. Iron Man > Thor
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someone said they walked out when a black guy appeared on screen. welcome to the 20th century. . . actually wait, 21st. man you are one comically pitiful caveman.
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You have no life. They are both good. One of them you saw first. It has slightly better editing I guess. So anything less I guess must be THE WORRRRST. That's how you identify a fucking nerd. -- If it's not the best EVER then it SUCKS.
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May 7, 2011, 9:22 p.m. CST
I turned off Wolverine when they had an Australian play a Canadian
by ganymede3010
Man that was B.S! That ruined the movie for me. It was like, totally suxxored!
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May 7, 2011, 9:47 p.m. CST
I know it doesn't affect whether the movie is good or not, but...
by Odkin
-If Kirby didn't draw Odin with an eyepatch, then Odin has TWO EYES -If Kirby didn't draw Thor with a beard, then Thor has NO BEARD There has never... NEVER... been a decent Thor story not plotted and drawn by Jack Kirby. Simonson is an OK craftsman. Kirby was a genius, and Thor was the Marvel comic where he had the most free reign. But he had Lee to trim back his excesses.
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I'm as cynical as they come but you know what? I loved Thor. I loved it because it was well acted had a coherent plot, great FX and made me FEEL something. As much as I wanted to love Tron Legacy it left me feeling cold and I ultimately did not like it. Bring on the Avengers. Marvel's only misstep so far has been Iron Man 2. What a load of garbage that was.
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The Holy Trinity of comic movies is now: Batman Begins X2 Thor ______ Former members of this club are Iron Man 1 and Spiderman 2. Yes I realize I didn't list the Dark Knight.
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Odin lost the eye NOT in battle. He sacrificed an eye when he gained the power of the runes, and hence beginning the building of Asgard. While the movie and I'm unsure about the comics, doesn't explain what happened, there's a hint that it was lost in battle. This is incorrect.
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It's not perfect by any means, but what it got right it REALLY got right. I was in awe of the rainbow bridge, the teleportation of the heroes, the gatekeeper, Thor laying down the smack.... lots of stuff to love! Saw it again today.......... really, a very good film. A couple of things that bugged me: The outright ABUSE of "bat-cam" camera angles, particularly on Earth. I cannot believe Branagh went for so many of these angled shots. They almost drove me crazy. Kat Dennings got annoying The best stuff was by FAR on Asgard... the Earth stuff was a bit bland Loki looked like Steve from Blues Clues That is all.
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May 7, 2011, 10:19 p.m. CST
Racist idiots notwithstanding, Elba's Heimdal WAS a high point in the movie
by beane2099
If anyone else had played that part I don't think that character would have been nearly as memorable.
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I was mainly talking about movies they have made with the avengers in mind. Yes X3 was craptastic all the way. And Wolverine Origins. Ugh.
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May 7, 2011, 10:25 p.m. CST
Oh. I kinda forgot to list the things that I really, REALLY loved (SPOILERS)
by Astronut
The rainbow bridge The gate keeper The score The initial battle with the frost giants (amazing) Anthony Hopkins (I thought he was great) The Warriors Three (except I think the fat guy should have made a bigger impact... maybe the actor was a bit weak?) Sif was great Thor spinning his hammer ---- FREAKING TITS RIGHT THERE The art direction overall The layout of Yorgenheim (or whatever that place is called) The fucking killer, KILLER shots of them flying through the teleporter beam The boner I got when I saw fucking Thor take out multiple frost giants with Moljnir (sic) God damn, I loved this movie! I hope they do an ALL ASGARD SEQUEL ----- EARTH IS BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ASGARD IS AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't know about you guys but I'm sick and tired of seeing white people in movies. Don Glover IS Sipderman. In my heart, at least. Seriously, Don Glover would've made an amazing Spiderman. Kinda nerdy and completely hilarious, yet he can be serious when needed. Lets mix it up, make things fun and interesting with the best and funniest actors. Imagine how cool it would be if Superman was Chinese, or if Wolverine was played by Chiwetel Ejiofor? Chiwetel was born to play Bond, but the racists Brits won't let him meet destiny.
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May 7, 2011, 10:40 p.m. CST
So an Asian Hogun in Asgard is ok, but a black Heimdall is not?
by NativeGaijin
As an American of Asian descent, I'm fascinated by all the people who complain about having a black Heimdall, yet who seem not to notice that one of Thor's best friends in Asgard is Asian (played by a Japanese actor). Why the double standard?
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Is just better than IRON MAN. The first 10 mins and last 10 mins are not good but everything in between is so fun and fantastic and at times great. This was so much better than i expected so that makes me happy. What makes me upset are the geeks that always see the bad in the stupidest of things, like a good summer fun movie. Thats what this is a summer movie about fucking THOR that was done really well for a comic movie and it gets shit on. What i am not looking forward to is a 2 hour Avengers movie with Thor, Hulk, Cap and IM. Not good. Would rather a kick ass Thor sequel and someone finally give us a decent Hulk movie, my fav character of all time. Give Banner respect! Avengers? May be more fun than substance. Thor is both.
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I thought everyone did a great job -- special mention to Hiddleston and Hemsworth for being amazing. If Loki is the big bad of AVENGERS consider me sold. Of course I was already sold, because Joss. But I'm incredibly sold. I wished it were longer. I felt satisfied with the story they told, but it felt far too short, because I didn't feel done with this world or these characters. I hope Branagh stays as the guiding hand of this franchise. I went on a whim and in need of some distraction. Came away completely happy with it.
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May 7, 2011, 11:08 p.m. CST
arafel, mayhap someone should explaint to you Norse Mythology accordin' to Marvel.
by Amadeo Zeller
If you're familiar with Roy Thomas's stint as writer of Thor during the late 70's, during his Ragnarok story arc, you would know that most of Asgard was populated with Midgard's (EARTH) best warriors that was delivered to Asgard by the Valkyries at the behest of Odin...Now that bein' said, do you honestly believe/think that all of Midgard's (EARTH) best warriors was SOLELY WHITE? Now your beef would be legitimate if this was suppose to be an ACCURATE depiction of true Norse mythology, but it AIN'T. - So in closing, Adolph, get over it!
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May 7, 2011, 11:09 p.m. CST
To those saying THOR is better than IRON MAN, I respect your opinions but...
by Stifler's Mom
reconsider when you reach puberty.
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May 7, 2011, 11:16 p.m. CST
stifler's mom, actually, subjectively speakin/typin', YES, Thor was better than Ironman.
by Amadeo Zeller
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Which romance has less chemistry?
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Natalie was way into Thor you could see. This was clearly shown through all her actions/staring/words. Thor turned around. Especially by the end I felt very sad for the two as they couldn't be reuinited. Nothing similar to anikan. In my opinion Thor >IM2 and equal to IM. I did like it a little better because the visuals were so interesting.
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May 8, 2011, 12:37 a.m. CST
Still don't see why this is being compared to Iron Man
by cylon_conspiracy
They are two completely different films, with different tones. Iron Man was a james bond movie with a hip edge and Thor is an uplifting family adventure. And for a few sequences it is also Superman2.
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the crowd I saw it with really enjoyed it. even my brother's teenage daughter exclaimed, "we've got to get this on DVD!" Thor kicked major ass and ranks up there with Iron Man and Spiderman 2. Immensely entertaining and tons of fun. A homerun for Branagh. Look for Thor to have a very strong second week.
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May 8, 2011, 12:47 a.m. CST
Iron Man: Another Marvel movie that was not immediately bankable on paper
by D.Vader
That's why its being compared to Iron Man instead of Spider-Man or The Incredible Hulk. He's a second-tier hero who's movie is apparently entertaining critics and audiences alike. Unlike Batman or Spider-Man, which is a given.
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Not one of us was sure if Thor would flop or fap at the BO. I concede that the movie started a little slow. The narrative history had a SyFy vibe and the Asgard flyover shots left me uninspired. But Hemsworth and Portman had a believable chemistry throughout and Thor actually hit enemies, unlike a certain Kryptonian. Even if the plot or CGI pissed you off, can any one of you say the overall product ruined your anticipation for next summer's cinematic sojourn to the Marvel Universe? Of all the Marvel movies, Thor had the hardest mission to accomplish. Act I:Introduce: the realm of Asgard and its"government," Odin's past interactions with Hoth and Earth, plus his past and present relationship with his two sons. Act II: Tell a truncated "fish out of water" tale-- in the New Mexico desert, no less--which included several Avenger-centric subplots and side characters. Add romance, action and intrigue while jumping between the real world and a mythical one. Act III: Conclude the hero's redemption quest and the anti-hero's transformation to villain. Leave the audience with a foreshadowing finale that will merge the paths of Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Captain America and SHIELD to fight Loki (and probably the Skrulls). To quote G.W., "Mission accomplished!"
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May 8, 2011, 1:01 a.m. CST
Mytholoical characters from a parallel universe are supposed to white
by Adelai Niska
idiots
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For enlightening some of these Hitler Youths and Brown Shirts on Norse Mythology according to Marvel. Kudos for bringing the Roy Thomas era with Thor. His short time at the helm of Thor was epic...Especially the way he was able to explain Kirby's THE ETERNALS role in the Marvel Universe and the effect they and the Space Gods had on Asgard and Olympia.
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May 8, 2011, 1:36 a.m. CST
YOU CAN INSTANTLY TELL WHO IN THIS TALKBACK IS A FUCKING RETARD
by Spielbergs Furious Racism
By who gets the jokes in the tb and who calls people out on said jokes thinking they were serious. Fucking niggers, no doubt.
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What about it was awesome? Name another high point of the movie not related to that character.
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So Hemidall was black in Thomas's Thor?
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Harry can be excused for posting late reviews. But posting this today? Come on, guy. I don't know where you came from or how you got your job, but I saw Thor last Monday on my iPhone and you're posting a review today. Really? And of course you were dissatisfied. Bleh. Go ban a choppah.
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In the context of the Avengers, I'm pretty sure this movie will make much more sense to the haters. I agree that much of the story was a little too easily digested by it's characters. But what the fuck do expect? You have to explain a god on Earth and why he gives a fuck and why he would eventually be part of a team of superheroes. I thought the movie did more than it needed to on that end and, on it's own, was better done than Iron Man 2 or Hulk.
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May 8, 2011, 2:59 a.m. CST
Odkin..."there's Never been a decent Thor story not plotted and drawn by Kirby"??
by kisskissbangbang
Well, except for the Simonson story ending with Skurge, the Executioner, holding the bridge Gjallerbru against the forces of Hel, which most fans regard as one of the greats. And a dozen or so other Simonson stories. But in your book, he's just "an OK craftsman". You're entitled, of course, to your opinion, as am I. And in my opinion, notwithstanding Kirby being one of the greatest talents to ever work in the industry, and the guy who created the look of Marvel's Asgard and its denizens, it does him no insult to say that a number of other considerable talents have told stories of Thor for Marvel, from John Buscema to Warren Ellis, and that a number of their stories were, indeed, at least "decent". To say the King was the best or made the most important contributions is defensible; but to say that everyone else didn't even rise to the level of "decent" is not only harsh, but as far as these matters can be judged, over time by many, it's just flat-out wrong.
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IDK if there will be a dedicated talkback here. Just saw it and I think Branagh nailed it. It was Kirbyesque, operatic, Shakespearean, and down-to earth in just the right way and at just the right moments. I'm glad the creative team didn't tone it down with Asgard, but instead went as far out as they could.... and I think Branagh handled the tone changes between worlds perfectly. It stands well with the best of the recent Marvel flicks... Spidey, Iron Man and maybe Hulk 2. I think it may be the best, in fact. In terms of giving you the effect of reading a Silver Age Thor comic for the first time... it did a pretty damn good job of pulling that off cinematically. Call me a plant or a bastard if you want. I accept all epithets! HAIL THOR!
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May 8, 2011, 3:10 a.m. CST
"Man... I can't WAIT to see this shitfest on monday, so i can PROPERLY tear this flick a new a-hole..."
by kisskissbangbang
Good to see you're going in with an open mind, viggeo...Wish I could afford to spend money on films that I know are going to suck, but I have to skip them. Sigh...
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In Roy Thomas/Marvel's interpretation of the Norse Mythos, Heimdal could've easily been black, Asian, Latin, etc...As Zeller earlier stated, The Valkyries was instructed to deliver Midgard's best warriors to Asgard. I don't think Odin or any God would disqualify any warrior's entrance into Asgard or Heaven based on the hue of their skin, do you? - That sorta prejudice is solely reserved for you and your ilk, eh? Now it's a shame that one or two black actors in a sea of whiteness could make you and others feel so disenfranchised. As Amadeo suggested to Arafel, "GET OVER IT, ADOLPH!"
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May 8, 2011, 3:16 a.m. CST
Point of curiosity: how do they handle the language barrier?
by kisskissbangbang
That is to say, how does Thor speak English? In the comics, you might infer he learned it as Dr. Don Blake; but since he doesn't assume that persona in the movie, and the last time he was on Eatrth, the Brits were speaking Old English a la Beowulf, how does he make himself understood, or understand others? Is the issue addressed?
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May 8, 2011, 3:19 a.m. CST
Funny - you guys are talking about Thor and I was just playing with my midguard serpent. I tugged so hard it's now a little thor (get it? Like sore but Thor) Ahhhh - fuck you.
by Professor_Monster
The Earth scenes are almost unwatchable at times - The fighting in Asguard was pretty awesome but as soon as he's tossed to Hill Valley it just sits there. That Kat girl is about as fucking annoying as any character I can remember in recent cinema history. Plus, she looks like one of those chicks that if you went down on them their twat would smell and taste like pee a little and you may catch a few whiffs of some brown bruise around her ass now and then. I'm fucking sick of Portman in any form. The little JAP is cast in almost everything nowadays. She needs to go away for awhile - but don't worry Portfans she's Hollywood's favorite little jew and it's impossible for her to totally disappear like a Ringwald or Kiera Knightly. Wait, what were we talking ab -- oh year, Thor. If you like fighting maybe you should check it out - but sneak in if you can.
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congratulations FOOM!
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May 8, 2011, 4:33 a.m. CST
amadeo, I'm confused as to when Roy Thomas established Asgard is populated by Midgard warrors...
by kisskissbangbang
...you say that it's during his Ragnarok story; this is the one with the fake Ragnarok, the redheaded Thor, and the American reporter on hand? "Cause I don't remember that (though it's been quite a while, admittedly). I was under the impression that brave human warriors might be brought to Valhalla, and that was how the Warriors Three ended up hanging with Thor. Wikipedia does say they're Asgardians, but not Aesir, which would rule that out. On the other hand, Heimdall is one of the Aesir, and is Sif's brother, so he seems unlikely to have been a former Earthling, black or no. If you could give a specific issue (I've got the ones from this period), I'd appreciate it. And while we've heard from a couple of racist louts tonight (majority in particular ("I had to get that out there", to quote...him? her? it?)), I don't think the other reactions to Heimdall are racist. The worst you could accuse them of is, perhaps, a certain flat-footed literalism (which I might be guilty of as well). It's a typical fanboy plaint that somebody in, say, Game of Thrones, doesn't look precisely as described. At some point, it gets to be foolish; but major deviations from the source can be startling enough to bring you out of the film or show. I'm not going to demand my money back because Heimdall's portrayed by a black actor; that's not just fanboy pickiness, but suggestive of unsavoury attitudes. But I do prefer close-to-the-source casting over more creative casting in general. The latter can work, but it's best when you'd never know unless told, as with Linda Hunt in The Year of Living Dangerously. (I knew three people who refused to believe her character wasn't a man.) That obviously isn't the case with Heimdall. If Ebla rocks the role, I can swing with it; but I admit I'd rather steer closer to the comic. (And it cuts the other way, too. Rico in the book of Starship Troopers is not Caucasian; he's a Filipino who speaks Tagalog. But not in the movie...Sci-Fi's Earthsea miniseries had everyone looking white when they're supposed to look Polynesian. And if they ever make the Black Panther or Luke Cage movies, I want to see black actors cast in the roles. I don't want to see Nicholas Cage as a Hero For Hire, even if he did rename himself after Luke. I may be too pedantic and literal-minded, but at least I'm consistent.)
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I've no idea why the shit on earth was soso. Yeah Thor had to learn humility but couldn't their have been more to the Earthbound stuff. I just can't give Thor a 10, the earth stuff drags the movie down in my opinion and what may hamper it's box office.
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May 8, 2011, 5:36 a.m. CST
viggeo, we've had pleasant and thoughtful discussions here before...
by kisskissbangbang
..and we'll have more, I'm sure. But I might have to disagree a little here (pleasantly, of course...) The whole point of a movie trailer is, of course, to give you some idea of what the movies's like, and if you might enjoy seeing it. To say it's unfair to judge a film by its trailer misses the point much of the time. You have to decide on the basis of _something_ whether or not to see a movie, and on the basis of seeing the one for Cats and Dogs 2:The Return of Kitty Galore, say, I didn't lose any sleep over missing it. (Really, the title was sufficient.) But some fims are badly served by their trailers, and, contrariwise, I've seen excellent trailers for terrible films. (I'd name some examples, but I'm getting tired. Have to pack this in, soon...) I know this, but don't have the time or money to check them all out to be on the safe side. So you go by reviews, and your history with the director or writer, and the reputation for older films, and hope for the best. So I agree, it is generally fair to judge a movie by its trailer (as long as you don't forget there are exceptions). Where I was thrown was by your hating the preview for Thor and announcing you were going to see it anyway. Good God, man, why?, I wondered. Wouldn't your time and money be better spent on other things? Now I understand a little better. You're seeing it for the sake of informed debate. Very noble. But you lose me when you say you enjoy deconstructing bad movies as praising good ones. A truly bad movie can make me feel physically ill. I have a friend who loved watching films like The Loch Ness Horror, then tearing them to shreds. I had to give it up, because I'm just not built like that. Bad movies bum me out and ruin my day. You are a stronger soul than I am. So, yes, I dig, even if I cannot emulate. But (however unlikely it may seem to you), if you should find that Thor is far better than it seemed from the trailer, I know you'll be open-minded enough to appreciate it, and honest enough to admit it. Do tell us what you think (as if we could stop you). See you all in the morning, I hope.
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Christ,the Frost Giants _eat_ Heimdall? Hardcore. (Joking, I know it's a typo...)
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May 8, 2011, 5:47 a.m. CST
mattman, thanks for answering my question about an English-speaking Thor...
by kisskissbangbang
...I won't be as bugged now that I'm braced. Also glad to hear Ebla's great in the role. It makes a difference. John Malkovich was all wrong for Dangerous Liasons, but so good he made me like him, anyway. (There's a topic: best miscast actors...) Nice to chat again.
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LOL holy shit he does
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Frankly, I found nothing wrong with the pacing of the story and even the comedic bits were well timed. helmsworth was more than ok as the god of thunder and the cast was equally impressive (Fuck, Ray Stevenson as volstagg? Now I'm really impressed!) and while i'm on the subject of casting, Elba did a fine job as hemidall, who the fuck really cares about his skin color save for a bunch of anal retent racist dweebs. it's not as if he's a 1st tier character and not even a 4th tier at that, so yeah if there's an asian "norse' god, why not a black god? I didnt really care for the 3D visuals as it seemed tacked on like say, clash of the titans and the film (Thor) could have been just as good without those cumbersome glasses. Most of the audience left during the credits but me and my friends knew better. (post credit scene gave me a good impression for what's to come next year.) Harry was right for once, Thor rocked.
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May 8, 2011, 7:11 a.m. CST
As for a sequel, it has to be that Simonson story that kisskiss had mentioned.
by Stalkeye
"Skurge, the Executioner, holding the bridge Gjallerbru against the forces of Hel, which most fans regard as one of the greats." To me, it was one of the best all time Thor arcs. i was never really into thor save for the Kirby reprints, but damn if Walt wasn't one of the best writers/artists for the comic and i'm glad his name was on the credits following the King (kirby) it's about time marvel acknowleged other contributers besides Stan Lee. can't wait for the sequel.
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It amazes me people see a movie about a comic book character and are stunned that its unrealistic amazing. Also saw scott pilgrim on cable and I guess I'm too old to like that movie I rather hated all the characters .
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What's funny is that if we were talking about a film about Jesus and I was complaining about a white actor playing the part you would be just fine with it. You value race and identity above rational thought. Of course I'm racist, I have an opinion that is not your opinion.
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May 8, 2011, 8:22 a.m. CST
So no one else thinks Loki looked like Steve from Blues Clues?
by Astronut
When he had his helmet on...?
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Had a cool idea, but it played like crap.
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May 8, 2011, 8:55 a.m. CST
Saw Thor too the other night; it was pretty good, though not Iron Man-great.
by Orbots Commander
I think they Branagh and Marvel really pulled off a cinematic interpretation of one of the more difficult comics characters to translate to the big screen (the other is Dr. Strange). Thor was a breezy, fun 'little' movie (yes, despite the epic canvas, the movie felt 'small' somehow, like a blockbuster-indie movie). Its main assets were the performances of Hiddleton as Loki and Hemsworth as Thor, and yes, Idris Elba too as Heimdall. Those cats will have big future careers. Without them, the movie may not have worked nearly as well as it did. In fact, Hemsworth's easy charm and screen presence kind of reminded me of a young Christopher Reeve. My biggest criticisms? It's pretty lightweight with zero resonance, which is fine, but you will barely remember the flick a couple of days after you see it. And the soundtrack/orchestral score utterly sucked. Whatever happened to epic-type hummable themes in film scores? It's ironic that last year's Social Network had a better soundtrack than most blockbusters these days.
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Then go kill yourself for not taking issue with Hogun being Asian. You hate black people, therefore, you are a racist and a piece of shit. Die for all we care. Peace.
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May 8, 2011, 9:06 a.m. CST
THor movie was based on a COMIC BOOK, *LOOSELY* based on Norse mythology. Did you know that the warriors 3 are not in that mythology?
by Robert
There WERE no other WHITE ACTORS good enough to play Heimdall. Idris Elba PLAYED HIM, and OWNED THE ROLE, it's on film, too late to bitch and cry, so eat a dick if you don't like it, Thor will continue to make money WITH or WITHOUT your greasy dollar bills, racist nerds. Anyone who is ok with Hogun being Asian but hates Heimdall being black, ESPECIALLY (I thought THAT actor did a good job as well). I thought he was awesome and love that you have a problem with it! Go live in a world without colored people! The rest of the world WILL NOT MISS YOU, I ASSURE YOU!
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I am really eating crow today because I was one of the original posters who believed Thor would be a commercial and artistic failure. I was simply not impressed by what I had seen in the trailers, and thought that the filmmakers had missed a chance to make a fantasy film in the vein of the Lord Of The Rings Trilogy. Well, they succeeded in a sense because the parts of the film that do take place in Asgard and the realm of the Frost Giants have that epic quality. This was certainly aided by the fantastic performances of the actors portraying Odin, Thor, Loki and yes, even Heimdal (and if the colour of his skin is a distraction for you, then I feel sorry for you because he is one of the most noble characters in the film). I also really enjoyed the parts of the movie that took place on Earth. It really provided a nice balance to the film. When Thor finally does regain his hammer to battle the Destroyer, well, let's just say that, in my mind, it finally answered the question as to who is more powerful in the great Hulk/Thor debate from my youth. Whether this movie makes money or not, I truly feel that all involved in the making of this movie succeeded in bringing the Thor that we know and love from the comics to the big screen! It was also great to see Jack Kirby, Walt Simonson, and even Sal Buscema acknowledged in the credits!
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May 8, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST
were the respective characters black and oriental in the comics?
by gumbyandpokey
Never read a Thor comic. If the characters were black and oriental, then no problem. If they changed them due to Political Correctness, then it's open to criticism.
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May 8, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST
black ,asian...is it any worse than having Thor fall in love with a Jewess?
by vetepalapinga
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"Thor" is going to do just fine.
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Good points. I've too noticed that there are so many complaints about the black character, yet nothing about the Asian character. Curious.
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May 8, 2011, 10:09 a.m. CST
Judging a movie by its trailer is like judging a book by its cover
by D.Vader
... Only you've flipped through the book and scanned a few out of context lines and illustrations. Fact is, you can prejudge a film based on its trailer and have assumptions about how the final product will play based on those few scenes you've watched. We all do it. But, if the majority of reviews come out praising the film and you disagree and think everyone is just being ignorant or stupid or is easily entertained or is afraid to give it a mediocre review, well... you really have zero ground to stand on and can't really argue against them until you see the movie yourself.
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May 8, 2011, 10:19 a.m. CST
In Norse mythology, Heimdall is described as the whitest of the gods.
by Thanos0145
In the comics, Heimdall and Lady Sif are brother and sister. (I don't know why the movie brushed aside the romance between Sif and Thor. They could've had a love triangle.) Samuel Jackson's Nick Fury is based on the Ultimates Nick Fury (who was drawn to look like Samuel Jackson). Idris Elba did a fine job as Heimdall but it was still a PC casting to throw in a black guy for the movie. Marvel Studios should've introduced Luke Cage or Falcon in the Avengers movie instead of Hawkeye.
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Thor and Jane's kiss at the end felt completely shoe-horned in. She barely knew the guy. Whore.
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May 8, 2011, 10:41 a.m. CST
Fuck! I finally agree with BRAINDRAIN about something.
by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS
We both think Viggeo_Morgenstein is dumb and boring. Must be nice condemning or judging every movie by its trailer, Viggeo. Perhaps anything over two minutes is too long for your simple brain to handle.
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I saw Thor twice, in a normal 2d theater and in IMAX 3d. It was really amazing in IMAX 3d. The space stuff and all the asgardian bits felt like a ride. Well done. Everyone is an expert about everything on the Internet, so anything I have to say about the culture of hate has undoubtedly been expounded upon ad infinitum. So instead, here is what I LIKED about the movie : The eye of agamotto. Very cool. Hawkeye. Gave me nerd chills. The score had good moments. Good to see a manly fucking hero who craves battle. I loved when the one frost giant bellows at Thor and Thor just laughs and bellows right back in his grill. I liked it a lot. Can't wait to see these guys all throw down next year. But they had better figure out how to give Thor a credible threat, because the way things look now, there ain't anyone who take him.
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Thor was entertaining. It had issues, but it was enjoyable. I think the flashback at the beginning took WAY too long to bring us back to current. The relationship they shoehorned in between Thor and Jane Foster is paper-thin, there was virtually no reason for it. Besides that, it confused the audience, who seemed to expect Sif to the be the logical love interest. The only one of the Warriors Three anyone will remember is Volstagg. These are just a few of the issues. I liked a lot of what was here, but the script was lacking. It still serves as a good introduction to the character of Thor, but it could have been better...felt a little rushed.
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You didn't walk out and demand your money back. You knew damn well that Elba was in this movie and who he was before you went in there. The theatre is only going to give your money back in certain circumstances - you being a smallminded highly-strung whinging little cunt isn't one of them. You didn't even go to see it at all did you? What a stupid fucking cunt you are.
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A slight underperformance.
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I pretty much agree with most of your Thor review. There's definitely some hokey and cheesy moments, and some pacing problems between the end of the 2nd act and beginning of the 3rd. I also couldn't connect with the lead, I think the exploration of his humanity or "growth" or whatever the fuck was really under developed for this story. That said it was great fun, it was gloriously violent and all the right places and surprisingly funny in a few as well. But yeah not Marvels best offering.
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I would seriously consider a different username before calling someone a pedo. Makes you look like you have child molestation on the brain. Once again for the slow kid: "In the end, I think THOR's a good movie." "In the end" means final analysis. "A good movie." means a good movie (just to be sure you understand). Anything else is asides and context. Don't worry, you'll make it out of grade school eventually. As long as you keep your hands of the kids that is.
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Motherfucker.
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She might never see him again and it's a movie relationship. She did worse with Leon.
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Anyone think of this?
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At least I hope so.
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May 8, 2011, 11:48 a.m. CST
zurenarhh, what the heck is the Eye of Agamotto doing in a Thor movie...
by kisskissbangbang
...instead of being worn by Dr. Strange, Master of the Mystic Arts? Nay, I say thee nay! (For that matter, what the fuck is the Cosmic Cube doing in Asgard? Setting up the next movie, I suppose. And if the Eye sets up a Dr. Strange movie, then great...but it still bothers me. What, did they have the Infinity Gauntlet in there, too? They did? Fuck... )
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May 8, 2011, noon CST
THOR's worldwide takings is $242m. Well done to you, Mr Kenneth Branagh.
by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS
I raise a glass of red wine in your direction.
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It was on Earth, what made you think otherwise? Unless I've missed it, nobody seems to have reported having seen the Infinity Gauntlet in Thor (just a prop that was unveiled a while ago) and the rumour is it was removed from the film for some reason...
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Comic books have always been a medium for change in our collective view of heroes and mythology- Superman and Batman have gone through many changes over the years, and now Thor is changing. Instead of fighting over the changes we like or dislike, we should appreciate the fact that these characters will still continue, for new generations.
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...and Heimdall is white. Since this is adapting a Marvel comic, not the original Norse mythology, I've no problem with Thor being blond instead of a redhead, as he was in the myths; but I do have a (slight) problem with Heimdall not being portrayed as he is in the comics, since they are the source material. That's pretty much it, at least for me; I'll cop to being an anal-retentive nerd, but not a racist. (Actually, I prefer the term "obsessive-compulsive", since I'm not a Freudian either.)
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I think the eye they showed was Odin's eye which is another powerful artifact not Dr. Strange.
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I believe it is called.
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May 8, 2011, 12:37 p.m. CST
boosebaster, I saw a mention of the Cosmic Cube being in Odin's treasury...
by kisskissbangbang
...here in a talkback some time back, along with a reference to the Infinity Gauntlet being in there, too. My geekish heart is calmed by learning all this was but rumor.
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Brain Drain, Thor a wimp? did you not see him burst through that ice creatures skull killing it? Iron Man versus Thor is like Punisher versus Hulk, no chance, you are a funny guy. Jules windex, wow you really dont know much do you, there were some GREAT performances in Thor And Tom as Loki was easily at the top. Also you know someone doesnt know much about movies when they make a comment like this. "Over and over again, just when the New Mexico stuff was getting interesting, they would cut back to cheesy, cheap looking, illogical Asgard nonsense." The sparts were easily the best parts of the movie duder.
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Branagh and company really did an impressive job bringing this universe to life. They had a lot of ground to cover and they came through with flying colors. Thoroughly entertaining, with strong performances from Hemsworth, Hiddleston and Hopkins, superb special effects (Asgard was brilliantly realized) and a straight forward and engaging story. Some heavy hitters are coming later this summer, what with GL and Cap, but everyone involved with Thor should hold their heads high. It could easily go down as the best movie of summer 2011. We'll see. It exceeded my expectations by a mile, that's for sure.
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May 8, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST
Say, I read Rene Russo was in this as Odin's wife...
by kisskissbangbang
...but I don't think anyone here's said a word about her. I take it she doesn't have much to do? Pity. I've always liked her, and hadn't seen her in years.
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May 8, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST
stalkeye, glad to see some love for the Simonson Skurge story...
by kisskissbangbang
...it may be the most moving story in the entire series. Hell, I'm getting misty just thinking about it... Speaking of Hel, or Hela, rather, do we get even a glimpse of her in this? That amazing headpiece she wears is one of my all-time favorite Kirby creations. I'd love to see an actress try to walk in it.
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Heimdall's is not. And clearly so, since he's so good in the role that it doesn't matter one iota.
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May 8, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST
ivan_mtl, so glad to hear Sal Buscema gets a shoutout in this...
by kisskissbangbang
...even in comics, he never gets the credit he should.
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...to be sure, they've never done much with her in the comics, either. She's not even Thor's real mother at Marvel. Changing Thor's hair color was one thing; changing his parentage is quite another.
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May 8, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST
Sal Buscema didn't get no love cuz he wasn't half the artist his older brother John Buscema was.
by glodene
The only time Sal's work was remotely palatable was when either Tom Palmer or Klaus Jansen inked his shit.
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Much better than some other Marvel films, but I wouldn't call it great. The acting was spot on and I agree the middle dragged a bit. The only thing I didn't like the attitude switch of Thor. When I think if Thor I think of the arrogant, brash, conceded Thor. I know he had to have an attitude switch to get his powers back, but they portrayed as too much of a nice guy in the later half of the movie. I always got the impression Thor looked down upon everyone and everything, that he was supreme. Solid movie though.
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May 8, 2011, 2:39 p.m. CST
I would say that Thor was just as good as Hulk 2 and better than IM 1 & 2.
by glodene
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and I totally agree with Nordlings review. It's entertaining, but it has issues. Where it failed the most was with Hemsworth and Portmans portrayal of affection towards each other. I just didn't buy into that! However, Brannagh ended the film at a good point!
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predictably crazy talkback, but a better film than I was hoping for... sure there are quibbles, but I thought it was a quite nice 2 hours of theatergoing...
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Thor exceeded Paramount's projected $53 - 55 million take, and when you faction in it's overseas take of $180 million take over the past two weeks, a Thor sequel is inevitable. Now hush, ninja, you're annoyin'.
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I just googled "a bad start for the typically-vast summer box-office" in conjunction with Thor for no results so your "major websites" clearly aren't major enough to have SEO worth a damn. Please clarify which major website you mean. And if you really think that Marvel is going to let The Avengers have a dearth of action sequences you are genuinely fucking retarded.
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They lap it up for a retard piece of shit like Abrams Trek. But for a good movie like THOR, they bitch and complain and get misguided about the movie? What gives, man? Thank goodness the people abroad are loving it.
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I just came from Boxoffice.com, EW.COM and a few others, and they've all said that Thor's B.O. performance is impressive to "THUNDEROUS!" Now take yo' trollin', wishcraftin' ass elsewhere, you FAGGITY-DELICIOUS picklesmoker!
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Fast Five-----125 million to make Thor----------150 million to make
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Of course, it's racist to make a stink about the casting of Idris Elba as Heimdall. The man is a solid actor, has more physical presence than most other actors of any skin color, yet when they cast a black man as A MYTHICAL character, there's suddenly a stink. Heimdall could be Na'Vi if they wanted him to be because not only isn't he not real, but he's based loosely on a character that doesn't exist. I think Mr. Elba's color has little to do with the matter, frankly. I think it's more to the point that the man is simply a brilliant actor (if this is in doubt, check out The Wire. His performance stands out, despite having a cast of incredible actors). I get that there are racists out there, but when you make excuses for your racism, it's a little sad. Man up! If you're a bigot, no need to make excuses for it–many of which have appeared here.
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Thor is a lot of fun. The audience I saw it with was not checking watches... they were geeking out hard throughout the entire film.
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May 8, 2011, 5:33 p.m. CST
A superhero movie made by Kenneth Branagh... that even Braindrain likes... and features a Norse God battling a giant robot
by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS
Welcome to 2011. It's a CRAZY year.
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viggo, in response to your comment "Goofy, campy, dumbed down, cliched TRIPE... filled with awful CGI, crappy looking sets, inane dialogue, a terribly uncharismatic lead, etc." Based on my opinion of the movie, here is my argument against your assessment based on the trailer... goofy...kat denning's character's part may have been a bit 'goofy' and not really necessary for the movie, but many of her 'goofy' lines got laughs from the audience I saw it with. However, I do not think you can define the movie as a whole as 'goofy'...they were definately not going for, or ended up with, goofy. campy... I assume you are refering to the look of the costumes? They may be a bit campy but are fairly accurate translation from the comics (using different elements from different artists) and for keeping the comic book look are quite awsome in my opinion. After spiderman I would say they are the best superhero costumes we've seen so far on film. Dumbed down...the plot is fairly straight-foward but I wouldn't call the movie dumbed down. It does a great job of filling in a lot of backstory and complex mythology without hitting the audience over the head with it. Cliched tripe...there have been a lot of comic book movies recently involving origin stories and explaining the characters and their worlds...what did you expect, a complete deviation from that? That being said, I thought this was a different type of origin story than most, as Thor already has his powers when the movie starts. Awful CGI...the 3D didn't add much but I thought the CGI was pretty good, I particularily liked the frost giants and their world as well as the look of asgard Crappy looking sets...I guess this is largely subjective but I thought the sets in asgard were awsome...felt like they were pulled right from the comics...the stuff on earth had nothing amazing, nothing awful...the complex built around the hammer was pretty cool in my opinion, nothing in the film I would classify as crappy. Inane dialouge...the dialoge, particularily between Odin and Thor and Odin and Loki was great. As mentioned before, some of kat dennings stuff wasn't great but drew laughs. Overall I though the dialouge was pretty good. Terribly uncharismatic lead...Hemsworth was great and will become a huge star after this. I really bought into him as Thor, and I was not thrilled with his casting at first (I wanted the guy from true blood). He will have no trouble going toe-to-toe with RDJ on a charismatic level. After you see the actual movie instead of just the trailer come back and try to back up your complaints with specific critisism and we can have your 'informed debate'
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Odin.
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May 8, 2011, 6:05 p.m. CST
hmmmm I don't think it did that bad financially
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
It did right around what most people predicted. Maybe they would have predicted higher if the actual movie looked better and it was more marketable, but it did the best they could hope for with what they had. The great reviews saved it from doing much worse, I think. I don't get into the math much but I'd think a sequel is still probable? Maybe with a lower budget lol?
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May 8, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST
Natalie Portman to quit acting to focus on raising her baby.
by Subtitles_Off
She says she's emulating Audrey Hepburn. Audrey Hepburn's ghost says, "Who is Natalie Portman?" Baby says, "Fuck. As if it ain't bad enough I gotta walk around with pants full of crap." Acting says, "You can't quit if you've never started." Hayden Christensen says, "NOOOOOOOOO!" Maggie Gyllenhaal says, "Call me, THOR sequel producers." Natalie Portman's fiancé, Unknown Guy in Tights, says, "Yeah. Riiiiight."
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242 million globally in 11 days is not a flop. 66 million in the U.S., for a relatively unknown superhero is not a flop.
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There were a lot of great detail bits in the movie, but my favourite by far was when Odin showed up in Jotunheim on Sleipnir. Eight-legged horse, man! You can't beat that!
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IM has a horrible bad guy IM has a weak 2nd Act, and no 3rd Act IM's love chemistry isn't believable (but neither is Portman's) IM is still entertaining on Robert Downey Jr.'s performance alone. Thor has more than one great performance, plus all the things IM is lacking. But no marvel movie has come close to the depth that Nolan has achieved for Batman. Well...maybe Spider-Man 2
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My wife and I enjoyed Thor quite a bit, and the audience we were with seemed to also. I was really looking forward to the movie. It's only in the last few days that I worried my expectations were too high, (some of the clips shown on late night talk shows were meh). I'm glad to see that my fears were groundless. Thor was a great time.
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Who called Thor a flop? My god (pardon the pun), the film has only been out in this country for three days, and earned $66 million. That's not the most a film has ever made in the time period, though it's hardly anything to sneeze at. Keep in mind that Thor is already a success in that it's already made its production costs back, and it's US run has begun well. I suspect that, when all is said and done, will probably pull in somewhere north of $400 million dollars, more than double production costs (I haven't included advertising/marketing because I don't know those figures). Hardly small change, that is.
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I loved it from beginning to end(with the exception of the after-credits scene, which I wish had been better). I thought Asgard looked amazing, Chris Hemsworth was great as Thor, Tom Hiddleston was incredible as Loki, & Anthony Hopkins was perfect as Odin. I would've liked to have had more scenes with Odin, but I understand even in the comics he was not a primary character(involved in action). I felt like the criticism of the love-story between Thor & Jane Foster was way off. I actually liked that the love-story was not a side-story that distracted me from the action & adventure in the movie. It felt like more of a flirtation between the two, & I liked how it played out. I liked that the movie did not overdo it with the Avengers story build-up, yet still had plenty of extra stuff for the Marvel fans. I personally liked how Asgard was more emphasized by contrasting it with the simpleness of the desert landscape in New Mexico on Earth. I loved the movie, will buy the collector edition of the bluray, & I hope Captain America can be as great as I feel like Thor was. If Thor was sort of a prequel to the Avengers, then I thought it was a great beginning. If I were to view Thor as a stand-alone movie, then I feel it is still a great movie. I am hoping that this summer's movies are as fun as the Thor movie.
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I agree with u. My fiance & I loved the movie. I was skeptical going in to see Thor because the trailers & late-night show clips were (as u stated) meh. However, we felt like the movie was great.
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I actually preferred Thor to Iron Man. Such a fun movie.
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May 8, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST
I would like Hollywood to make a movie where something interesting happens
by CountryBoy
I'm honestly surprised by the number of "I loved it" and "It was great" comments here. Nothing against anyone else's tastes or opinions, but didn't you feel like you'd seen all this a hundred times before? THOR was certainly no worse than any other of the countless origin stories/hero's journeys Hollywood's been churning out for about 30 years now, but isn't anyone getting tired of this? As Nordling observed, you could see these plot points from space. There wasn't an ounce of suspense at any second in this movie, and nothing remotely surprising or really exciting. A giant robot that blows up cars? Really? Two guys fighting on a precipice? (And who will win? Hhhhhmmmm...) As I said above, Hemsworth was a likable presence, and I laughed out loud at some of the comedy. But that's not enough. I'm really amazed that people are expressing such delight at this movie.
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I completely agree with you regarding Sal Buscema being a very underrated artist. It's true that his brother (John Buscema) was probably one of the best draftsmen that has ever worked in comics, but many of the best runs on a number of my favorite Marvel titles were drawn by Sal. The classic Avengers/Defenders clash and the Celestial Madonna storyline from THE AVENGERS, the Secret Empire/Nomad storyline from CAPTAIN AMERICA, the Badoon/Guardians of the Galaxy storyline in THE DEFENDERS, his extended run on THE INCREDIBLE HULK, his work with Walt Simonson on THOR (who Walt personally requested), and a nice run on one of my sentimental favorites, NOVA. I have to respectfully disagree with you, Glodene. A lot of the comic book runs I mentioned were inked by Vince Colletta, and they still looked great! Sal's work was "inker-proof" and he never missed a deadline. A true professional in every sense of the word, and from what I hear, a true gentleman as well.
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Don't tell me I missed the best part!
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May 8, 2011, 8:03 p.m. CST
Let's face it, THOR is a difficult character to bring to the big screen
by Snookeroo
without easily dipping into silliness. Given that, I think all involved did a great, very successful job of not only making this a fun movie, but tying it into the rest of the Marvel Universe that has been created thus far - certainly the hardest member of the Avengers to do that with. The story moves at a good clip (albeit it does drag in the middle- but that's a problem with all the Marvel movies - not due in any small part that that's the problem with most Marvel comics), has great performances, well-done costumes and sets, and decent CGI. I saw the movie in 2-D, so have no idea about the post-conversion 3-D quality. I think a lot of the haters of this movie are people who go into it expecting THEIR version of the character to be on-screen. Maybe that's why I liked the movie - I've never been a big THOR comic reader, but have always liked the character (what little I know about him). Maybe if I was a big THOR fan, I'd feel differently. As is, I completely enjoyed THOR, and plan to see it again at least once before it leaves the theater circuit.
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May 8, 2011, 8:08 p.m. CST
IF PORTMAN HADN'T ALREADY BEEN KNOCKED UP BY THE FRENCH FAIRY, SHE'D BE HAVING HEMSWORTH'S BABY
by BSB
I know if my ass had eggs I'd be having his baby fo sho.
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Me: *Gets on all fours*
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Don't you mean Aronofsky's..? The 'French fairy' is just that. Cover.
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I knew that seemed odd
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Thor never experiences humility? What about when he accepts his mortality and then sacrifices his life to save his friends? Greydanus is so full of shit
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Hmmm. That seems entirely plausible. Very interesting ...
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...is when he readily admits to his friends (Sif and the Warriors Three) that he would be of no use to them in battle against the Destroyer and would even put them at greater risk. He then convinces Sif to to choose life over sacrificing herself in a brave but futile gesture. The Thor that attacked Jotunheim didn't even consider the possible consequences for his friends, all of whom are less powerful and more vulnerable than he is.
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The acting was decent, the action was fairly enjoyable. The important thing is that now Thor's origin story is over, so we can get to the meat of the Avengers movie. **SPOILER** When Thor was kicking that giant golem's ass toward the end of the movie, you could really see that they were getting his fighting style and effects right. It wasn't as impressive against a lame, unknown villainous henchman, but when he uses those moves to fight the Hulk in the Avengers movie (you know it will happen), it will be EPIC.
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May 8, 2011, 10:22 p.m. CST
I 2nd that the positive reviews saved Thor, cause the trailers were shit!
by The Founder
They were and I just didn't thing Thor would work, but it did and while the earthbound stuff was slightly above mediocre I will say the movie overall was a good introduction to the Thor character.
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May 8, 2011, 10:23 p.m. CST
Good box office for a 2nd tier character despite his power level.
by The Founder
Thor just isn't a well known character to the mainstream but yet the movie did well so far. Next week will be the test.
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May 8, 2011, 10:25 p.m. CST
America is becoming a Tea Party country unfortunately. There IS no PC anymore.
by Robert
Idris has that stature and presence that hardly anyone else has and he was pitch perfect for the role. Anyone complaining about political correctness casting is stupid, sorry. DOn't use the Norse Mythology excuse, just admit to not liking black people and call it a day.
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Watch the haterz scream FLOP! Then tell them to look at the domestic and foreign totals together for the past week. The movie has already succeeded in making a profit, and it's only just opened in the US. With only the embarrassing looking Bridesmaids and the has-nothing-in-common-with-the-comic-Priest the only two for next week, Thor should do pretty well.
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May 8, 2011, 10:30 p.m. CST
You can't compare Fast 5's box office to Thor's cause it already a built up franchise and I know the 1st FF didn't break any records.
by The Founder
I don't get how some are claiming this as a victory for Fast 5 or that Thor isn't doing well cause F5 is raking in more money. So what. I could care less about a franchise with an already built in fan base. It's been 5 of those films and the franchise has had it's ups and downs. I liked Fast 5 and it's not a contest for me, but I'm not gonna sing doom for Thor cause F5 beats it at the Box office.
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May 8, 2011, 10:36 p.m. CST
Wolverine made 85 mil cause it was tied to the Xmen, which again is another built up franchise. Compare Thor to original 1st flicks and installments 3 or 4 or 5
by The Founder
Wolverine is part of the Xmen. He was not out the gate new to the mainstream like Thor. The 1st Xmen opened to 54 million. Now if Thor was up against say Super 8 then I could see the argument but it's not. People are comparing Thor's box office to films that has had 2 or more previous installments.
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May 8, 2011, 10:38 p.m. CST
Star trek was good! Consider me one who lapped it up. Thor was good too.
by The Founder
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No one said that the haters have to like Idris Elba, or black people, but the strawmen and excuses get a little old. Idris Elba was brilliant in Thor, though I get the feeling that some here would rather have a weaker actor (Keanu, anyone?); as long as they're white, that is.
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That's after 3 days in the US. Incredible Hulk got a total of 262 mill. Sequel will come, sorry haters!
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...after a couple of dialogues with you, I've come to respect your tastes, and though I don't think yours and mine are identical by any means, they're close enough that I feel greatly encouraged by your review. Really eager to see it now, though I'll probably have to wait a week or two. Thanks for posting.
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May 8, 2011, 11:53 p.m. CST
Ivan_mtl, I'm very fond of most of those runs myself...
by kisskissbangbang
...(though I'm ashamed to admit I've forgotten most of the original Nova run after all this time; however I quite like the recent DNA run). One of my favorite, lesser known pieces by Sal was the work he did on a Steve Gerber Son of Satan story featuring the Tarot; relentlessly bizarre stuff, rendered with aplomb by Sal. I used to wonder what he thought of it, but after Gerber's Defenders, he was probably braced for anything. Since you mentioned Glodene, to whom I never got to reply, let me add here that, while we all agree that John was the greater talent, Sal is no slouch, and that he's been a solid, dependable, consistent artist for decades, a type there are never enough of and one too easy to take for granted. He may not have reached the heights his brother did, but the level of quality he did achieve never wavered or dipped. I think it was Steve Englehart who once said Sal was a writer's dream because he always gave you exactly what you asked of him. I think that's pretty high praise.
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Let me tell you how they are going to do it. They are doing it with a huge budget. Because it's not going to be slashed you idiot haha.
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May 9, 2011, 1:21 a.m. CST
robertoinfinitenamethemoonlander2, we don't know each other...
by kisskissbangbang
..except in the limited, highly artificial way a forum like this allows. Because of that, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you don't seem to be giving to those who disagree with you, and explain my position in the hope that you're a reasonable guy who's willing to listen. I don't know Elba's work, either; my loss, I'm sure. I'm not questioning his talent, sense of presence, or the work he does in this movie. I simply said that I generally prefer actors to resemble the characters they play, and that in both Norse myth and Marvel comics, Heimdall is white. I didn't say it was a dealbreaker, or that I couldn't adjust, or that I'd ask for a refund as someone here allegedly did. I simply prefer already established characters, in their adaptations, to resemble their prototypes. I admitted this was on the anal-retentive fanboy side; but it is not bigotry. How many discussions have you seen here complaining that adaptations were unfaithful to a character's costume, or an actor was all wrong for the part because of their physique, male or female? AICN wasn't around before Burton's Batman came out; but I guarantee that if it had been, it would have been filled with complaints about Michael Keaton being all wrong for the part: not athletic enough to be Batman, not handsome enough to be Bruce Wayne, too much a comedian to play it straight. I know this because I was around then, and these were the kinds of remarks I constantly heard. I tended to agree; I loved Keaton in Beetlejuice and Night Shift, but that didn't make him right for Batman. I still don't think he was ideally cast; but Keaton, to my surprise, was good enough to make me like him in the role. As I said earlier, I think Malkovich was miscast in Dangerous Liasons; I still think the greatest seducer in France should have been more handsome. But, again, Malkovich made it work. I'm sure you see where I'm going with this. Fidelity to preconceived images is what fans, in the broadest sense, want. They want what they've imagined (or previously seen in visual media) to be up there on the screen, whether it's a superhero costume or a monster. Look at the immense fuss over Daniel Craig, and complaints over a "blond Bond". This wasn't due to antiblond bigotry; it was due to an image created by previous Bonds, especially Connery, that became their default image of Bond. But Craig was so good, he made it work. So Elba made it work, too, you say. Could be; I'll find out soon, I hope. I wasn't saying our faithfulness to our original image of something wasn't problematic; I was saying that it's an understandable, fairly innocent impulse. Wanting what we know isn't heinous; being irritated with changing Spidey's webshooters to organic ones isn't monstrous. It's a little persnickety, perhaps, a little stubborn sometimes, but if you've been waiting to see a FF movie all your life, it's natural to want the Thing to look like he does in the comics, and equally natural to be bummed when Galactus is a cloud. You have to be aware of these tendencies of fans if you've been here any time at all. So why ascribe something which isn't bigoted in these contexts to bigotry in this one? Don't attribute to malice what can be more plausibly attributed to love; love perhaps a little too fixed on first impressions, but love nevertheless. I offer this in the hope that you can put aside your own first impressions and allow me the chance to change your mind. I'll do the same when I see the film. Fair enough?
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Transformers 151 mill Green Lantern CGI fest had a budget of 150 mill + 9 added to fix the cgi. Plus a lot of the groundwork for Avengers is done in the character's own movies. I'm not worried.
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Seems to me that this movie has made back it's money already. Saw it at the weekend. Would fully agree with the above review. Not perfect, but what film is? Whilst a comic book reader I was never much into Thor. I knew the character but didn't really have much more knowledge than that. Didn't stop me enjoying the film. The right balance of humour, action and drama. Nice flick. Does it still leave me stoked for the Avengers next year? Absolutely. Regardless of budget revisions. I can't judge a film by it's budget. seen plenty of high budget movies that sucked and plenty of lower budget movies that were awsome. My advice, go and see Thor, don't sit and analyse, but just enjoy the experience. I didn't bother with the 3D and didn't feel that I'd missed anything because of it.
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May 9, 2011, 3:17 a.m. CST
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE KICK "MAJORITY" OFF OF THIS SITE? DOES AICN REALLY WANT THE REPUTATION OF BEING A RACIST WEBSITE?
by dasheight
I'm sure there's a back catalog of his comments. The ONLY reason he posts comments is to post viciously racist statements. "Having sex with a blackie is like shitting on your dick" "All niggers must be killed" ???? SERIOUSLY? AICN LETS THESE COMMENTS STAND?
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kisskissbangbang, I don't remember taking issue with any of your comments about the casting controversy. You seem open-minded enough and I read your post, now please indulge me. This is not intended to be snarky - but you might learn something. This is not addressing you per se, but the people of the type who walk out of a movie because there are black people in it. You seem pretty cool. I have had limited exposure to Thor outside of Avengers comics, but I know a few things about him. In the comic books, he's a Norse thunder god. He wields a hammer which allows him to fly and create storms. He comes from a magical realm (or dimension or planet or whatever you want to call it) called Asgard where his father Odin is king. This realm is connected to earth via a rainbow bridge. He has 3 companions called the warriors 3 (which are NOT BASED in Norse mythology - I will come back to this). One of them sort of looks asian and has an asian sounding name - Hogun. One of them is named Fandral and looks like Robin Hood. One of them is named Volstagg and he looks like Harry Knowles. What I did NOT know, was that there was a guardian of the rainbow bridge named Heimdall. Never heard of him. I am fairly certain that I am not alone in this. There are no major Heimdall sagas or storylines or even portrayals on tv or film. This is not a well known and beloved character is my point. So, fine. They start production of a Thor movie. Lets go back and trace Thor's history a bit: Norse mythology - Thor is the God of thunder worshipped by vikings. He rides around on a chariot pulled by two goats that he eats and resurrects. He not only has Mjolnir, his hammer, but he also has a magic belt, iron gloves and a staff. In this version of Thor, there's a beginning, middle and end of his story complete with a wife and kids and the end of the world (Ragnarok). Marvel Comics - Thor was stripped of a lot of his mythological origins. There's no chariot or goats and the only magic item he has is his hammer. This was not meant to be a literal retelling of the myths, this is an attempt to make a superhero who was literally a God. SO we are left with a God who was banished to earth by his father to learn humility and bonded to a crippled med student to boot. He has no kids or a wife and due to the serial nature of comics, there were no references to Ragnarok (back then). So already we have a distancing of Thor from the myths that created him. 2011 Thor movie - There's a distancing of the character Thor from his roots by way of the Marvel version and now even further by way of the movie. He doesn't wear the helmet he wore in the comics, his costume is not the original costume he first appeared in and he is less of a magic based superhero than a hero who comes from an advanced civilization where magic and science are indistinguishable. It's implied that he frequently traveled to earth where he pretended to be a God and was worshipped as one. My point is this, there are so many OTHER liberties that Marvel ALONE has taken with the character, not to mention the movie itself, that when someone has a problem with an extremely lesser known character who appears differently than he did in the comics, you're missing the point. And when that change has to do with the color of a character's skin and you have a problem with that, then you're a racist. Here is why: For the people that say this is a 'politically correct' stunt casting, let's examine the facts. Kenneth Branagh, who directed Thor, frequently works on and occasionally directs projects based on the works of Shakespeare. Now, sit down because this is a shocker. THERE WERE BLACK PEOPLE IN SOME OF THESE SHAKESPEARE WORKS FROM CENTURIES AGO! Not only that, but Mr Branagh cast some of his movies without regard to race at all. Denzel Washington and Keanu Reeves played half brothers in Much Ado About Nothing, for example. Look it up. A director's job is to read the script, and determine the best actor for any given part. Political correctness is not a concern for this director. For all of the people screaming bloody murder and saying stupid ignorant stuff like "WELL, WHAT IF WE GOT MATT DAMON TO PLAY THE BLACK PANTHER HUH? I'LL BET *THEY* WOULDN'T LIKE THAT!", I will reiterate the point that Heimdall is not only not very well known, HE IS NOT THE MAIN CHARACTER in this movie. It's called THOR not HEIMDALL. Lastly, a lot of you deny that race is the issue regarding people opposing the idea of Idris Elba playing a role that's a traditionally white character, right? Yet with relation to Hogun, who is also a Norse character, he is played by Tadanobu Asano, a fucking Japanese actor. 99.9% of the Idris Elba decriers do not even acknowledge this fact! I mean *I* know why, but why don't you explain this to me in your own words? SO let's recap. This is not a movie retelling Norse Myths. It's a movie BASED on a comic book version of the character which took it's OWN liberties with the myths. SO you can't possibly have a problem with a character changing race, right? I also debunked the myth that it's "PC" casting, based on the director's previous casting choices and experience in Shakespeare productions, so barring those two arguments, what ground do you have to stand on? Honestly, I really love Idris Elba's work. I was a huge fan of The Wire and as an actor, he really embodied a ruthless businessman/drug dealer who looked at taking lives as the cost of doing business in a rough city. He has a physicality and a presence that demands respect. He brought some of that stature to this role, even as brief as it was. He wasn't a one dimensional character. He was someone who had the most important job to do in his world and an acute instinct for bullshit. You really felt his menace and a sense that he would not let ANYTHING stand in his way from performing his duties. I'm embarrassed that the fanboys have reacted so negatively to this casting based on race in this day and age. It's 2011! This man is a working actor who was offered an interesting role and took it! He did nothing wrong. Kenneth Branagh and Marvel should also not have to apologize for this casting. Say what you want, but I thought the casting was perfect. Pay less attention to the skin tone and more attention to the performance and all of its subtleties. Racism is pointless. *End rant.*
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I salute your integrity. We need more talkbackers like you. Open and honest and able to have an adult discussion without reducing the exchange to insults and hatred. It's always important to have conversations with those of a different opinion than your own. How we manage and respond to those with a different opinion is just as important. I have no time for those that form an opinion without the experience or knowledge to be able to do so. I can't even be bothered to respond to inane uninformed predjudices. Hats off to you for doing so in an adult and intelligent manner. Regardless, those that have decided to hate this movie on the basis of the trailer have already made up their mind and will "endure" this flick in order to be able to post vitriolic shite the following day. I have no issue with people who genuinely have no love for this film (or any other)if they are able to communicate their thoughts in a constructive manner and have actually seen the item that they are so enthusiastically beating down, rather than just seeing 2 minutes out of 120, out of context and forming their arguments on that basis. For the most part, it's a lost cause brother.
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Wow somebody didn't see the same movie as everyone else. The film was completely enjoyable. I loved This adaptation... It blends nicely with the rest of the marvel universe that the are creating for the screen. This film was treat.
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May 9, 2011, 4:18 a.m. CST
O.K. first off I never heard that, it's surprising about the budget
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
Second, I never heard of "Bleeding Cool" either. So that story may or may not be a load of horseshit. I'm going to say it's mostly bullshit. You don't green-light a project like the Avengers without a large budget in mind. It's just impossible to do. Even if they say 170, it's going to baloon up to 200 easily. Especially if the rumors about the Skrulls being true, that's going to require a sizeable budget. They are going all the fucking way with this, I have a very hard time believing those stories. There is going to be a lot of effects work required, there's no way around it. Iron Man 2 didn't even have a ton of effects shots, at least it didn't seem like it, and the end credits had a million artists. Then you have the Hulk, who is fully CG. And an alien invasion. With spaceships and shit? It's fucking IRON MAN with a supporting cast of THE HULK, THOR AND CAPTAIN FUCKING AMERICA. Why the hell would they hold back?
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And in my opinion, I always prefered his style over John's (Buscema) The Man is truely legendary just from the works that you had previously mentioned.
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May 9, 2011, 4:42 a.m. CST
robertoinfinitethemoonlander2 You are right Sal was the best artist for Hulk.
by Stalkeye
especially when Ernie Chan was responsible for the inking. the images practically leaped from the pages. great post BTW
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Enter sympathetic character you googled here. Iago is pure evil. Never been a more motivated, senseless, and pure villain in fiction. Please do not sully his good (ha!) name by trying to twist him up with some sympathetic, root-for-worthy juxtaposition bullshit.
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Especially bc he never explains why he's doing what he did. You've got assumptions and theories, but he spits in your face and wants you to be tortured, wondering why he did what he did. So yeah, I wouldn't qualify him as a sympathetic villain either.
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I have also heard that rumor. I sorta believe in part of Joss being hired. Joss works on shoe string budgets and if anyone is going to find a way to keep costs down or go cheap it will be him. We also have to realize that if is the Skrulls, they don't have to do that many big effects with them since they would just be using regular humans for the most part. Near the end, I would expect them to be full blown aliens, but for a good chunk of the picture they can get away with being regular folk. I expect a lot of Secret Invasion type of stuff where doubles of the main cast do a lot of shady things. I have doubts about the Skrulls considering the end of Thor seems to be moving in a Masters of Evil type of way with Loki, Abomination, Leader and Justin Hammer all being alive at the end of the films. Plus, I doubt they are going to kill Red Skull in Cap, but they did nuke the Rainbow Bridge and I didn't think that would happen. At the end of the day, Disney looks to go on the cheap at times. It wouldn't shock me if the budget is only $110 million basically the budget for the Other Guys. Joss has one or two big set pieces to book end the film, but its all about the relationships of the group. So, it will be like a Buffy/Angel crossover with a lot of talky and quick wit.
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Hey Branaugh, if you're gonna make Heimdall black, at least make sure you don't open on the same weekend as Jumping The Broom, genius. Half the white people left when Heimdall came onscreen. The other half were bleeding heart PC Libtards. Me? I was just there to rub off to the Thunder God.
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Have any of you seen Branagh's previous films? He generally likes to cast a wide variety of actors, regardless of race. You do know that there are other movies out there besides comic book adaptations, right? Check some of his other work out before you spout such ignorant drivel like 'the studio probably just wanted a black guy in it to bring in the black crowd.' Do you realize how dumb that sounds, since I haven't seen a SINGLE commercial that features Elba in it? So, what, you guys think a black person is going to imdb Thor JUST TO SEE if another black person is in it before deciding to see it? Jesus, some of you are dense.
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Or Chiwetel Ejiofor as James Bond are great ideas. Chiwetel would be a tough sell if only because his name is mystifying (I still have no clue how to pronounce it). But they both fit the bill for their characters, regardless of race. It's not about reaching demographics, it's about casting quality actors.
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You would've thunk this was the Heimdall movie.
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May 9, 2011, 8:01 a.m. CST
OH PLEASE. IF YOU THINK BRANAUGH CAST THE BEST ACTORS FOR THE ROLES
by BSB
then Elba would've been Thor himself. I mean, what did Hemsworth do before this? Australian soaps, model work, and a 3 minute stint on NuTrek. Face the facts. Hemsworth was cast as Thor BECAUSE HE LOOKS LIKE THOR. That Elba was cast for an entirely different reason proves it was PC all the way. I hate being right, but there ya go.
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OMFG I give up.
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The world is not off-off-off-Broadway, I'm sorry to say.
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HAHAHAHA! Oh my god that is laugh out loud ridiculous. "A black guy's in this? Well that tears it.... Dude where the hell do you live??
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When Samoan dudes show up.
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The word that spread from that site was that the budget was gonna be $40 million.... Ridiculous. No one can seriously believe that.
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Naturally the studio will have some pull as to WHO IS PLAYING THE LEAD OF THEIR 200 MILLION DOLLAR MOVIE. Of course they're gonna play it safe and go with the handsome guy who looks like he walked out of an Ultimates Thor comic book. Do you think Branagh has the clout to demand someone like Elba for the role? No, he doesn't. And even if he did, Hemsworth was actually quite good and fit the role very well. Thor is a braggart and showman. Hemsworth pulled that off. And Elba fit his role well, too. He can play a role with quiet intensity, characters that let their actions speak louder than their words. Some of you people blow my mind.
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These days box office receipts are only one revenue stream for studios. Thor is making bank in areas where fast five is lagging. I guarantee that thor is going to sell far more ancillary products such as toys and video games than fast five will.
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As the only black guy on this message board (as it seems to me), Great use of words, fuck these ignorant asshole who looks at some one's color of skin then the performance of an actor. Heimdall Rocked!
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...I don't know if he's a real bigot or doing a scarily accurate impression of one, but his slurs don't need to be here. With that out of the way...
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May 9, 2011, 9:38 a.m. CST
MATTYBOY SUGGESTS CHEWEYTEL ELIJOR AS JAMES BOND AND DONALD GLOVER AND SPIDER-MAN
by BSB
and calls *me* a moron. Talk about a mind blown.
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"That Elba was cast for an entirely different reason proves it was PC all the way". You have a very strange opionion on what constitutes "proof". Documentation from the studio, or even anecdotal evidence from cast, director or producer would be proof. Unfortunately your opinion does not prove anything. It's just stuff in your head. Is it possible? yeah. Is it probable? No. Not without some other form of evidence to back up your statement.
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1. Much better villian who is not two dimensional. 2. Better action scenes. Loved Thor. Really great well rounded summer block buster.
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The proof is Heimdall is white in the funny books. If you don't think that's proof enough, suffice to say it is more than probable, it's highly likely, and it's sho 'nuff.
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May 9, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST
bsb I was just echoing what a previous talkbacker said in this thread
by Mattyboy122
You tool. It's not like these ideas popped into my head at random. But, now that I think of it, Glover would make a better Spider-man than Toby did. And probably better than Garfield will be (Garfield, like Toby, has the dorky aspect down, but not really the humor of Spidey). I personally would have preferred Joseph Gordon-Levitt in the role, but oh well. As for Bond, tell me what would be wrong with that casting, pray tell? A quality actor playing Bond? A guy who is suave and smooth while also being bad ass? Sounds like a good deal to me.
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May 9, 2011, 10:06 a.m. CST
MATTYBOY, AFTER THINKING ABOUT IT, AGREES THAT DONALD GLOVER MAKES A BETTER SPIDER-MAN
by BSB
and asks me why Chewey Eleanor would not make a good James Bond, and calls *me* a tool. Talk about a mind blown.
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It has made $242,000,000 Worldwide. It cost 155 million to make even adding in marketing cost. The film is a making them bank. By the end of next week end it will have made over 300,000,000, It will easily cross 100,000,000 domestic next week. Plus it will make another 20 - 30 oversea's We are looking at a 350,000,000 or more box office after all is said and done. please this is a winer for marvel.
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I guess we're in for an all-minority cast.
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all the blatant and disguised bigotry in here. If you start the sentence with "I am a black person" or "some of closest friends are black" Idris did a fine job of a character who has actually very little to nothing to do in this movie. He had more charisma than most of the cast, even when he said nothing! Let's face it, Thor is a stupid and boring comic. Most people don't even know of it's existence. Yet people have gone out in droves to watch it. That's the true genius behind this! Hulk and Spiderman are more iconic comics and yet those movies sucked!
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http://comicbookmovie.com/avengers/news/?a=36844
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Unless you have documentation to prove this, it's just stuff in your head.
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http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110508/ENT02/105080324/-Avengers-film-two-weeks-here
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But SM1 and 2 far from sucked. They were awesome.
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Seriously, I dig black pride but you people take it too far.
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I will admit that Spiderman 1 and 2 were good. I guess number 3 really spoiled it for me! I should've thrown in Superman Returns in the category of sucked and bombed!
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You're delusional. Simply repeating what somebody says IS NOT an argument.
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I know. Understandably, SM3 was so bad it tainted the first two movies. But giving credit where due, SM2 was a triumph, whereas SM1 was a very good start.
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Chill. Look, I'm not going to waste time defending basic common sense. James Bond and Spider-Man are white characters, simple as that, and to suggest they be played by blacks, latinos or Koreans for that matter, *is* delusional.
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agreed! I did prefer Spiderman2 and that was purely down to Alfred Molina's presence on screen! He stole that movie!
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And just for the record, I'm all about the verisimilitude. Staying true to the source material. If Kirby drew Heimdall as black, cool. But he did not. Similarly, I made a massive stink about Shamalamadingdong's casting of whites and Indians in Airbender in place of Asians.
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Movies have an obligation to work AS MOVIES first and foremost. They're not slaves to their source material, no matter what fanboys say. So if an actor who isn't of the 'appropriate' race is better suited for a character than one who is, then go for the better-suited actor. Shyamalan's problem with The Last Airbender (in terms of casting, that movie has A TON of other problems) is that he simply wasn't consistent. If he wanted to whitewash the whole movie, I suppose that's within his rights. However, having the two leads plainly be white when everyone else in their tribe is an eskimo is just distracting and shameful. And before you pull the 'Elba is supposed to be related to Sif' routine, that is never established in the film. If it isn't established in the film, then don't bring it up.
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Me (on floor): "Ditto."
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That's even more egregious!
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May 9, 2011, 10:59 a.m. CST
robertoinfinitethe moonlander2, thanks for the long, civil reply...
by kisskissbangbang
...this should be standard practice here, but some people have to scream as loudly as possible at those who disagree, and some have to do their best impression of Andrew Dice Clay, so it's really appreciated when somebody tries to be calm and reasonable. I also appreciate your saying I seem "openminded enough" and "pretty cool", and your comments weren't directed at me personally. It's true, you didn't take issue with me, but you (and makneil) seemed to indicate that anyone who disagreed with you must be doing so from racist motives, and I wanted to make clear that mine aren't. (I've got to go to work soon, so I'm taking your points faster than I'd like, but you deserve an answer sooner rather than later.) Changes in the character: You're right; Marvel has changed the character from his Norse roots (although Simonson did show him with the goat-pulled chariot once). Thor was red-headed; Marvel made him blond. This actually bothered me as a kid familiar with the books. If I obsess too much over details, or display fanboy pickiness, it started early. But the stories were a blast, and I eventually went with it. Now the movie makes more changes: no helmet (really? disappointing), different costume(I knew this, it's a variation of the current Marvel version. Unsurprisingly, I preferred the original Kirby version, but have gotten used to this one.), and Asgardians are aliens taken for gods with Clarkean science-indistinguishable-from-magic tech(can't be calm about this, it's total bullshit and out of sync with any Marvel version of the character). Perhaps you sense a pattern emerging... Heimdall: major figure in the original mythos. There from the first time Thor went to Asgard in the comics. If you know Thor mainly from Avengers, you wouldn't have seen him, because he's sentry and first defender of Asgard, and can't spend time on Earth the way Sif and the Warriors Three. He is a major character, though. He's not like Tyr, god of war, who didn't show up for decades. (Say, no one mentions Balder; is he in this?) Branagh and Shakespeare: I saw Much Ado About Nothing. Denzel is fine, certainly better than Keanu, but I found him distracting in the role, especially as half-brother to Keanu. The casting took me out of the movie for a moment, but Denzel was good enough to draw me back in. Still, distraction doesn't help movies. If you cast Lindsay Lohan as Jane Foster, it would distract, because of her extracurricular activities. I'd have to work at buying her in the part, even if she played it well. This is why unknowns sometimes help a movie; better Christopher Reeve than James Caan as Superman. This isn't exclusively about casting. I've seen several modern dress versions of Shakespeare. I saw Richard III with Ian McKellen. It's hilarious when his car bogs down and he cries, "My kingdom for a horse!" It's also distracting as hell and pulls me out of the movie. Have to wrap this up, so ...Summation: I find I have to work harder at immersion in a movie if I'm already familiar with its source, and it deviates from that source. Plot points, setting, costumes, casting, any type of deviation. Sad, perhaps, but true. If it's material I encountered as a kid, cherish, and have always wanted to see on the big, big screen, I'm not just distracted by changes, I'm disappointed. (No helmet? Truly?) I think fandom tends to accentuate these feelings, maybe to artistic detriment sometimes. Maybe Watchmen was too faithful to its source; I wouldn't know, I never saw it because it changed the ending of the original. (Self-mockery intended.) I can get past these feelings, as I did with Keaton's Batman, as I doubtless will with Elba's Heimdall, but I prefer not to be distracted or disappointed in the first place. I'm not saying this is good, but it's human, natural, and forgivable for the most part. I am saying it's not the same thing as bigotry, which I detest. I live in Alabama, lived here during the civil rights movement as a kid, and saw enough of it then to last the rest of my life. My mother once told my father she'd divorce him if he ever used the word "nigger" again in my presence. She meant it, and he never did. So I've seen racial prejudice up close for the foulness it is, and I'm very sure it's not driving my reactions. Can't speak for the others, but I choose to believe them when they deny it. Running out of time here; I wanted to say more, but...perhaps later. Hope this clarifies matters some. I appreciate your courtesy to me and patience in reading this long reply. I hope we can talk again under less fraught circumstances, and have a little more fun. Subsequently.
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...sorry I've no time to say more. But thanks; a rep for civility and fairness is very important to me.
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...glad we both love Sal Buscema. Not sure who the definitive Hulk is, but Sal's definitely in the running.
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I can see why people initially reacted to Heimdall's casting with a jaundiced eye, but, as the film deftly shows, these aren't actually Norse Gods, but more like aliens from another science-magic dimension. Given that they're not *actually* from the land of the ice and snow, but from some fantastic transdimensional outer space place, does it really matter that they're not all white europeans? I don't think so; especially since that Elda dude did a great job as the character. Keep in mind that Marvel's take on the Norse Gods is and always was at a far remove from the actual mythology. Another thing to keep in mind: since when was Heimdall a beloved character? Apparently since some white people got pissed off that he wasn't being played by a white man. I'll let you all fill in the blanks on what that means in a larger socio-political context.
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Love how you're "making a stink" about the racist casting in The Last Airbender while referring to its director as Shamalamadingdong - perhaps the single most racially offensive phrase you could call him.
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That's the "single most racially offensive phrase" I could call him? Really? I could think of more. If you want to hear them, just ask.
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"I CAN be MORE racist you know! I can! Honest." Good for you son. GOOD FOR YOU.
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I'm only proving that your argument is beyond weak (and you really have NO argument) if you think a play on the guy's name is *the single* most racially offensive thing to call him. Such an amateur.
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Actually, there's real meaning to be found in the larger social context in asking why certain people feel a need to supplant their racial identity over another, in cases where the character is a hero.
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Personally, I think something like Shyamalan-Curry is a bit more racially offensive than Shyamalanadingdong (which has absolutely nothing to do with race and all to do with the sound).
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I mean, I could've called him Patel. But that's harsh.
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May 9, 2011, 12:02 p.m. CST
AIR BENDER SURE AS SHIT WAS NOT A CASE OF CASTING THE BEST ACTORS FOR THE ROLES
by BSB
But it begs the question. Why did he cast whites as the heroic leads with Indians as the villains? I mean, I understand why (most) blacks defend casting Elba as Heimdall. It has all to do with pride in seeing your 'self' as a hero. But Shamalamadingdong flips that notion completely on its head. There must be some serious self-loathing inside that head of his.
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May 9, 2011, 12:19 p.m. CST
As it turns out, I'm not working today after all (*sigh*),...
by kisskissbangbang
...so I'll be checking in from time to time and making myself available for threats, applause, brickbats and billets-doux. *crickets* Right. I also want to correct a few typos in my post above to robertoitml2 (dude, where is that nick from?) "a kid familiar with the myths" "Clarkean tech-indistinguishable-from-magic" "the way Sif and the Warriors Three can" " out of the movie at first" This is what happens when I rush. It's also what happens when there's no edit function. Would it be asking too much to install one when you finish your changes to the site, Harry? Thanks in advance.
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...and you can be a pretty funny guy sometimes. But, man, you like to live dangerously. Do you really want to get banned again? You're dancing mighty close to the third rail here; watch your ass. (I'd watch it for you, but I'm straight.) And in your "Air Bender sure as shit" post, it doesn't "beg the question", it raises the question. "Begging the question" is a logical fallacy and completely different from raising one. You could look it up.
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I didn't get banned, dude. Original handle is still around. And yeah, I know I push the envelope. But somebody's gotta do it. As to your point about beg vs. raise, I beg to differ. ;)
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Shyamalan tried to back up his white washed cast by saying, "I just wanted the right actors for the roles and race was not an important factor." Okay but they were all terrible actors, especially the air bender himself. Are people seriously talking about Loki being black? Wow, I saw the movie and didn't give two craps what the color of his skin was. So much of our culture is already white washed which is why if you were to write a book and NEVER mention the race of any characters Hollywood would automatically default to white 100% guaranteed. Why? Because it's what we're used too but luckily there is a shift on this issue where movies with too many white people seem strange, like Super 8, which paints this strangely creepy all white suburban world which was cute when E.T. was out but now seems out of place and out of touch when we're used to people of all races in movies, even if they never get to be the lead role.
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May 9, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST
Just realized who this Chiwetel Ejiofor guy you're discussing is (ok, I looked him up)...
by kisskissbangbang
...he's the guy who played the Operative in Serenity, and he was awesome. Although I'd prefer a Bond closer to the original (shock!), there's no denying his talent, and I'd love to see him get bigger roles. Hollywood, make it happen.
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...but, really, look it up. I'm begging you. Glad to hear you weren't banned. But why the change in handle, then? (If I may ask.)
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It's cuz I was being called BSB anyway ... and during the recent outage I thought I'd register the handle. Still post as the original, depending on which comp/phone I'm posting from ... I'll look that up, fella.
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I bit. Pretty funny, though. Liked the movie, too.
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May 9, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST
bsb, you trickster, I know I'll never get a straight answer out of you...
by kisskissbangbang
...so I'll save you the trouble of looking it up, and just lay it out with this quote: "Begging the question does not mean to bring up the question. It means to present as true a premise that requires proof--i.e., taking a conclusion for granted before it is proved or assuming in the premises of your argument what is supposed to be proved in the conclusion. (This fallacy is related to the circular argument.)" Saying (KKKBB again) "He looks hideous," and responding to the question, "Why do you say that?", with "'Cause he's ugly," is begging the question. Reply or not, as you will; I'm not begging the answer.
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Reading that just hurt my head fella. I'll stop saying begging the question.
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Not Iron Man good of course, but good. All the acting was spot-on and the story was interesting. As a huge supporter of 3D I thought the 3D in this film was largely invisible. Only a couple od sequences even reminded me I was watching 3D. My biggest worry was the costume and truthfully it's still rubbery looking but didn't ruin it. As for Hemsworth I thought he did brilliantly. He was physically huge and the only things I would have chaged would be bigger cheekbones and longer hair. Also glad they cut the line "This is URTH isn't it?" Hopkins fuckign OWNED! Best performance I've seen from him since Silence of the Lambs. You absolutely believed that he felt what he was saying. Loki was also fantastic. Bring on The Avengers and Thor 2&3!
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...when you say,"Iago is pure evil. Never been a more motivated, senseless, and pure villain in fiction." Surely you meant "motiveless", right? It would fit your argument better, and make sense of your calling Iago's villainy "senseless". And it would also accord with Coleridge's famous phrase about Iago's "motiveless malignity". (Although I might disagree with you, d.vader, and Coleridge on this. Iago does say at one point of Othello, "He hath a daily beauty in his life that makes me ugly." That suggests some sort of general envy of Othello as a motive to me; though there's certainly no specific "He cheated me at cards once" sort of motive. You're certainly right there.)
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...which was to *have* fun with the whole thing without *making* fun of the whole thing. Before seeing it, I was stumped as to how Branagh would be able to pull this off. I love the whole Thor mythos, but how to do it in a way that can be digested by the average idiot at the multiplex, without in the process pissing off anyone who actually likes the comic? It shouldn't have worked. I mean, it's a big blonde guy swinging a hammer, with cohorts in crazy costumes speaking in high-falutin' dialogue. It shouldn't have been able to work, within the context of dumb-as-bricks Hollywood. But he did it, he really did it. I hate the set-on-earth concept as much as anyone, it always feels like a cop-out, and yet this one did it right. Humans made jokes, Asgardians acted awkwardly out-of-place on earth, but it never got self-aware, self-referential, or self-conscious. And the Asgard stuff was played completely straight. Which is exactly how the balance was handled in the old, classic THOR comics. In short, this film never apologized for being THOR. It did what it had to do in order to be made, but never betrayed itself. I was stunned at how long the introductory Asgard adventure was - when the main point of setting it on Earth is to make it accessible by the masses, it was quite a turnaround for it to linger so long before even settling down on earth. Sure the film had its flaws, it felt cheesy at times, not every note in the film worked. But it did something that seems extraordinary in today's world - it just told its story. It didn't try to distract you from it or pander. Another surprising thing was how gentle the film was at its core. Sure, there was action and explosions and fighting. But the "villains" all had understandable, reasonable motives. Pretty much everyone in the film respected everyone else. Most antagonism in the film was the result of misunderstandings and miscommunication. And the interactions among Asgardians had a sort of confident, calm good humor, which reminded me a lot of Branagh's Shakespearean period, especially Much Ado About Nothing. A light, almost carefree tone. That this movie refrained from going over the top, while still feeling very much like Thor, leaves me respecting it immensely. Can't think of a superhero film that's struck such a balance so well since the first couple Superman films. Which may be the best comparison to make to this new film.
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This should be available by August - Also I rather preferred the Thor of marvel's ultimates but was never a huge fan of the original character. That's largely because they had to introduce the character to you as a piece of a larger machine. When the character of Thor is needed, there's a great holy shit / this guy is scary moment. <P> That's really the problem here, each one of these characters is getting the franchise treatment when they're really only interesting as supporting characters. However, by the time we get to the Avengers, which I'm telling you chaps is going to be incredibly weak, nothing will work. I'm telling you, the Avengers is going to suck long and hard. <P> Oh-well. I think I'll stick to my funny books or maybe catch something like Hesher, Source Code , or Troll Hunter this weekend.
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Come'on, there are better movies then Thor to spend your money on.
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Heard his favorite tune was "Rockin' Robin", that's pretty cool it's definitely catchy and sticks in your head.. right up there somewhere lmao.
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I understand him not wearing it when he's serving people breakfast. But if he's in battle... he should have the helmet on.
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...was OnDemand weeks ago...before it hit theaters. (And on HDNet Movies last week) As is TROLLHUNTER currently.
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May 9, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST
RE: "I understand him not wearing it when he's serving people breakfast. But if he's in battle... he should have the helmet on. "
by Stalkeye
My sentiments exactly! If there was any gripe or caveat I had about this movie, is the lack of Helmet use. That's like having Bats go up against the baddies sans cowl/cape or Captain A without his wings.... ..oh, wait.
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1.The 20 minute prologue that explains Thor's exile from Asgard. 2.The Donald Blake in-joke references 3.Thor vs SHIELD and not to mention a brief cameo from Hawkeye/Jeremy Renner. 4. Just when Thor gets his hands on Mjonir, to his dismay, he finds out that he's "not worthy". 5.Thor's companions being refered to as Xena, Robin Hood and Jackie Chan!! LMMFAO 6.Destroyer unleashed and of course Loki's vile treachery to both Asgard and..his "people".(frost giants.) 7.Just as Thor lies dying, The hammer is once again in his grasp followed by the Destroyer battle. 8.Post Credits: Avengers will be assembled! Best movie of 2011 so far.
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May 9, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST
Shout out to Elba's Hemidall who sounds awefully like Transformers' Unicron.
by Stalkeye
Great actor and if there are any skeptics, check out his BBC Series Luther which is available on Netflix instant streaming. Good ol chap.
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derivative? Maybe, but a very good film nonetheless. (and i'm no fan of the comic.) Kenneth is the new Jon Faverau.
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I found the murkiness of Loki's motives to be a huge plus to the plot; although many of the plot points were telegraphed, his endgame caught me off-guard. As it should, with a character like that.
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May 9, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST
I agree with most when they say THOR sucked. Here's my review:
by Angry_Charlie
http://www.angrycharliereviews.com/2011/05/thor-2011.html
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But being latino, I am a person of color. Yet the point remains, Idris rocked, Nick fury and Kingpin are black, go cry in your beer about it.
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Wow. Your writing skills made this almost unreadable. And it seems like you didn't get Thor completely. The keyword here is: Humility. To say that summing up Thor's character arc in this film as "someone learning to be less of a douchebag" is a gross oversimplification is well, a gross understatement. Thor started as a cocky warrior who thought he was untouchable and set out to show the size of his balls at every turn, regardless of who he endangered. Having his powers AND his birthright stripped from him, he learnedhumility; no one is above reproach, no one is untouchable and being king means never looking for a fight, but always being prepared for one. The Thor at the beginning ran into battle headfirst at his brother's subtle manipulations and almost got his friends killed. The Thor at the end of the film, depowered, plead with his brother to protect his friend and ended up sacrificing his life! Not only that, but when he confronts his brother who basically turned his world upside down, he literally turns the other cheek when struck. This man has been on a journey and has the scars to prove it and a new attitude to boot. This is not someone who learned to be "less of a douchebag". He was someone who had immense power, but did not know it's worth. By having it stripped away, he had to earn it again. He started OFF super, and in the end, became a hero. Talk about missing the point. As to leaving mystery behind this character, you DO realize that not only is he a pre-christian Noridc God, but in the comics world, he has nearly 50 years of history. If it makes you feel any better, they don't show what KIND of Pop Tarts he prefers, buttermilk or homestyle? Things that make you go hmm.... To say Thor had no heart is silly. There were stakes and you really felt the danger in this film. The subtle way that Chris Hemsworth protrays a man who is broken and defeated in the interrogation scene with Loki was really emotionally charged. It was hard to believe that 20 minutes earlier, this man was worshipped as a God. I also take issue with the fact that people say that this film is a commercial for The Avengers. That's really silly. Take away the SHIELD story, and the movie holds up just fine. You seem to just want to be critical to get traffic to your site. Maybe it's just me. If you're serious about being a film critic, try not to write in such a pedestrian way and maybe um...pay attention to the films you write about.
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May 9, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST
"but you already know that from the big red door to the left"
by boosebaster
I don't know what the fuck that is supposed to mean, actually. You write as if everyone knows who you are and what your review system is when, well...we don't. I disagree with the people who said it's badly written, it's not particularly. But it IS missing many of the points of the movie and it DOES seem to be being critical for the attention of straying from the pack.
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Not to mention his runoff sentences. Just a few examples from skimming the article. "I think this weekend counts way more" "They start off as a being a completely different person than that of their alter ego come the end of the movie." Basically this WHOLE paragraph: "If you look at nearly every other Marvel movie out there - the characters/superheroes all have one thing in common. They start off as a being a completely different person than that of their alter ego come the end of the movie. Thor on the other hand, is already a superhero - he just has an attitude problem. You can't make a movie out of someone learning to be less of a douchebag - well you can, but it has the same amount of impact as a 'no drugs' episode of Saved by the Bell. This causes there to be no character arc for Thor, so unlike Tony Stark let's say - you don't become interested in character and hence you care less about the story. Thor literally has less to fight for." "I would have preferred there to have been some mystery left..." "Is Thor pretty at least? Hell yeah. " "Personally, I'm looking way more forward to Captain America and Green Lantern. " Um...sure.
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May 9, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST
AND you have a section on your site called "This Month I Refuse to See"...
by Robert
And write articles about films you haven't seen. Wow, that just sums it up. Please take your ball and get the fuck out of here. Your opinions are null and void.
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May 9, 2011, 5:19 p.m. CST
angry_charlie just got shown the big red door to the left
by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS
And.... he's gone. Our next contestant for "Who Can Survive An AICN Talkback" is...
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May 9, 2011, 6:28 p.m. CST
YOU CAN READ MY REVIEW AT WWW.STUFFINMYHEADTHATSNOTBACKEDUPBYDOCUMENTATION.COM
by BSB
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May 9, 2011, 6:41 p.m. CST
IF THAT SITE'S BUSY, TRY WWW.MYASSCRAVESAPOUNDINGBYCHRISHEMSWORTH.COM
by BSB
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I don't know why, but both look like something I'd rather see in a theater. Luckily, around these parts, that's not a problem though regrettably more expensive. Hey, whatever. You vote with your wallet. <P> Oh and Look, I just gave someone a new alias name.
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May 9, 2011, 6:57 p.m. CST
455 posts for a movie based on a funny book based on an ancient mythology
by KilliK
you hear that,mr Shakespeare?
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May 9, 2011, 6:57 p.m. CST
robertoinfinitethemoonlander2, up there in the blizzard of posts...
by kisskissbangbang
...is my longish reply to your longish piece of last night, if you're not already burned out on the topic. I tried to continue our conversation in a friendly and thoughtful manner, and hope you find it successful at that, even if it doesn't persuade you in any other way. Cheers.
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May 9, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST
Wait Thor turned out to be a flop? heh. that means the following:
by KilliK
1.We now know that one of the three upcoming comic-book movies of the summer is a flop.it remains to see how the other two are going to perform in BO.at least one of the two is going to be a hit,that's for sure.my sure bet is on Captain America. 2.Thor's BO will affect the production of Avengers.expect a cut in the initial budget and changes on the script/shooting. If Captain America flops as well,you can expect that the story will have as the main focus Tony Stark since his character is the only one with big movie hits.heh. If Captain America is a hit,the story will focus in their well-known relationship as friends and co-leaders of the Avengers. Unfortunately Thor and Hulk will be there with minimum character exposition and only to take part in the the action scenes and make them look cooler for the fans and the average movie-goer. So says Killikus
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May 9, 2011, 7:18 p.m. CST
Where was the Infinity Gauntlet? Thought it was supposed make a cameo.
by strosmer
I think I may have seen it in a blur during a panning shot in the early part of the film, in the room the Destroyer guarded. Can anyone confirm whether or not it was in the movie? Will Avengers be a franchise building up to a cosmic crossover event like Infinity Gauntlet? I guess the Cosmic Cube will bring Thor back to Earth, but will that happen before or after Loki takes possession of it and joins forces with... Yes, I'm psyched now. Bring on Cap and the Avengers! First Class is looking good too, but I am more anxious to see Marvel Studios get back the rights from Fox and do reboots of X-Men and Fantastic Four that bring those characters in line with the continuity being established through the Avengers films for the Marvel Studios universe, and at that point, let the crossovers really begin! I'm also wondering if the Spidey reboot will allude to any tie-ins with the Avengers characters. How sweet it would be.
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May 9, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST
All I Know Is AVENGERS Should Open With An AWESOME Battle Scene
by NeonFrisbee
I trust Whedon. I think he knows comics and he knows team based narratives -- ALL of his shows have been team based shows and they're all good. I'm sure he's developed about a dozen more ulcers from working on this, but I think he'll do a good job. I'm thinking, first half will be about learning to work as a team (borrowing heavily from Ultimates), and the second half will be fighting the Skrulls. (Which I hope will provide some kind of satisfying climax, and not some bridge to a trilogy.) All in all, I trust Whedon on this. I'm actually really pleased with how Marvel Studios set up the characters. I didn't really *love* any of the movies, but I liked them all (thus far: Iron Man, Incredible Hulk and Thor), and I think they all did well by establishing the characters for a non-geek audience. I'm feeling like Cap is gonna be a fun movie too and a good set-up. Oh, but yeah, I'm sure Whedon has contracted at least a dozen more ulcers since starting to work on this.
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May 9, 2011, 8:14 p.m. CST
"All I Know Is AVENGERS Should Open With An AWESOME Battle Scene"
by KilliK
WRONG. Avengers should start with a big disaster ala 9/11 which is caused by super-human terrorists,a disaster which terrifies the whole world and which brings the urgency for the creation of a super-team ready to fight this kind of threats. Then the movie carries on with how the Avengers are put together for this purpose. it is as simple as that.
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how is your miserable troll life going? still in your mom's dark and moisty basement. patience.natural death is only a matter of time.but then again you can cut your wrists if you cant stand it anymore. cheerio.
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I read your post and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt if you say that you are not racist. You're a stickler for not straying far at all from the source material (you must've loved that Van Damme Streetfighter movie then). I get that. Sadly, you seem to be in the minority about this (no pun intended).
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May 9, 2011, 8:56 p.m. CST
My rant was directed at those who make excuses for not being ok with the casting choice of Heimdall
by Robert
It's just PC casting (As if Idris Elba was incapable of turning in a good performance here). He was white in the comics. It goes against Norse mythology. **THEY** wouldn't like it if White actor A was cast as black superhero B. Ignorant excuses. I would respect those people more if they just came out and said they prefer superhero movies with whites only. I wouldn't LIKE them, but I would respect their honesty.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA So they whitewash important characters in the BB/TDKR and Last Airbender movies but they play the PC card the black audience when the racial change applies for a secondary,non-important character? hey Hollywood: you are fucking HYPOCRITES.
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You're not very well liked in the least. I can have a calm reasonable discussion with someone WITHOUT a superiority problem. You're also really obnoxious and you state your opinions as fact. The Heat and or the Celtics will not make it past the Bulls so prepare for an epic disappointment, either way. Mark my words. In short, choke on a dick.
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god bless you Hollywood.question: why Thor is white and not black or asian? hmmmm
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May 9, 2011, 9:47 p.m. CST
And as for you questioning my intelligence, I would put my IQ up against yours any day. Racist dickhead.
by Robert
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And you are one of the main ones questioning Black Heimdall. I skimmed over one of your long winded, pointless posts in that Green Lantern thread and saw that you called Angela Bassett as Amanda Waller "an affirmative action black scientist". Of course disregarding the fact that she's also black in the comics and cartoons. SO you not only hate when hollywood casts black actors in white roles, you think that a black actor cast in ANYTHING is an affirmative action hire. But you're not racist or anything.... And you mistake a few sentences/words in ALL CAPS as me being worked up. It's called getting your point across. You don't have as much of an effect on me as you think you do... Go ahead and pick out some more choice quotes from any of my other posts where I curse you out, it just shows how much of a life you lack. It changes nothing, it proves nothing, you're still a condescending know-it-all who is really a narrow-minded know-nothing and trolling me will most assuredly NOT change that fact.
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May 9, 2011, 10:02 p.m. CST
And judging movies we haven't seen (except for two minutes in a trailer) is lame. Sorry.
by Robert
The equivalent of someone telling you about a book and refusing to read it because of that person's description. Ignorance personified.
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:) Yeah NOT taking issue as in, asians are cool with you, blacks are not. As in, you're a selective racist. Save the pity for yourself since you have a problem reading and comprehension. And for living in a world with other people other than whites. Must suck for you.
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May 9, 2011, 10:23 p.m. CST
Ok I guess add Mexicans to the list of people he hates. Not surprising! Even though I am probably more American than you!
by Robert
Seeing race in everything? Um yeah *I* created this casting controversy out of thin air. I don't like racism against people of color so automatically, I hate whites. Way to leap there! So you can't read, you have problems with comprehension, you oversimplify and you think people of color are somehow inferior to you. But *I'm* the retard. Whatever floats your boat, viggeo. And when D Rose and co pluck those Hawk feathers in 6 games, rest assured that I WILL be here to make you eat your words. Regular season Bulls vs Heat 3-0(!) Vs Celtics 2-1! Vs Hawks 2-1! We have the MVP and the Cinderella story of the league and we WILL go all the way.
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May 9, 2011, 10:27 p.m. CST
Not running away, you just came to a battle of wits unarmed. It's called mercy.
by Robert
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May 9, 2011, 10:30 p.m. CST
How many times have you had to eat your words and correct/explain yourself in your last several posts?? lol pathetic.
by Robert
And I didn't run away from the GL thread, I just broke my stick beating the dead horse known as "Acknowledging The Troll Known as Viggeo Morgenstein". Plus, I have this thing called a life. You should totally get one! They rule, dude! Cowabunga!
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May 9, 2011, 10:32 p.m. CST
It isn't about getting the last word, it's about using the correct ones. In that regard, you failed while simultaneously making yourself look like a dickhead.
by Robert
:) In other words, I'm done with you, have a nice evening, sir!
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And you're not even doing well at that. You're backtracking, getting caught in lies, typing responses before you've fully read or understood what I was trying to say, using my words out of context, making little racist jabs... What are we debating exactly, anyway? Whether or not you're a condescending asshole? Um yeah, you're not making a very convincing argument there... You picked a fight, like you ALWAYS do, you were made to look like a fool, just take your ball and go home already.
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zzzzzzzzzzz X_X
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Sorry, he was right. You should've said "raises the question". Feel free to google if you're still unsure.
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...I just have to love the way you bring out the best in each other.
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...given when and where I grew up, it's very important to me not to be misunderstood on this issue. A few years back, a German guy at a convention (the Toronto Worldcon in '03) came up to me, read my nametag, and said, "Ah...Alabama, the segregation state!" It was all I could do to keep from peering at his, and saying, "Ah...Germany, the Holocaust homeland!" But that wouldn't have really raised the level of the discussion... Yeah, I'm a bit sensitive about it.
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May 10, 2011, 12:23 a.m. CST
kisskissbangbang (loved that movie too btw)...a few bad apples will not spoil the bunch for me.
by Robert
And I grew up in Cicero, Illinois, a town known for being run by Al Capone and being called "The Selma of the North" by Martin Luther King Jr, so yeah ditto there.
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May 10, 2011, 12:24 a.m. CST
And Viggeo (even though I dig the reference to Always Sunny), just stfu already and stop baiting me.
by Robert
And by the way, asking people to take sides is the mark of a person who can't stand on their own two, so yeah. Stay classy there, bud.
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...and I'm truly honored by your remarks. Calling me "the CLASS of AICN"...wow. I hope so. God knows I try. And I really think I might have a chance at it, since so few people seem to be trying for the title. At least I have a better shot than if I was going after "biggest ASSHOLE of AICN, because then the field would be choked with competition.
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May 10, 2011, 12:38 a.m. CST
I'm not going to repeat myself..read up further to read my thoughts on "PC casting".
by Robert
The Marvel movie Asgard is like twice removed from the original Norse Myths. Therefore it stands to reason that they don't all NEED to be white and calling it Pollitically Correct to cast non white in the movie is just really petty and small minded. Oh wait, I'd better stop now before I somehow get called a racist even though I have taken a stand against it....
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Why are people like you STILL saying Thor is a flop? Look at the facts and then shut the fuck up.
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May 10, 2011, 12:43 a.m. CST
LOL @ people calling Thor a flop. They want it to fail so hard, it's making them dellusional.
by Robert
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All I'm saying is that it's a movie and getting bent out of shape about what race or nationality gets cast in what is silly. It's my personal feeling and so far, no one has convinced me that I should care.
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May 10, 2011, 1:02 a.m. CST
Calling out someone by name knowing they will READ it is the DEFINITION of baiting. As for you calling for backup from not only ahole, but kisskiss, no one put words in your mouth (or under your screen name). Backtrack some more viggeo
by Robert
It seems to be part of your repertoire.
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May 10, 2011, 1:17 a.m. CST
Yeah, have fun arguing with nuts huh? Wonder what that makes you...
by Robert
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Only if they want proof of their hate bias.... But when a flick makes bank they decry the profits are no indicator of quality... On that note has Thor already made $242 million... Thor was released overseas first since the studio probably knew Thor would be a harder sell in North America.... Our weekend box office here is more like the cherry on the Sundae for them... Spidey 3 made a whole shitpile of money overseas despite it's tepid box office in North America... Seem like studios learned their lesson about hedging their beta and will probably see Comic book movies now forever... On another note Fast Five saw a 62% drop in business last weekend... A big opening is all it has now...
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Seriously, you're not the righteous defender of truth and justice that you think you are. Get off your high horse and take your head out of your ass and maybe you'd be better liked.
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it was a superior format though....
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It made 10 million more than the Incredible Hulk. That's pretty good, right? It's not going to lose any money, in fact it will go on to be very profitable for the studios. I can't wait to get my Thor action figures. I think 170 million is too low for the Avengers. I don't understand why they're being conservative with this film, it has Iron Man, and those 2 movies were wildly successful. Iron Man 2's budget was 200 million, wtf?
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(although not the "microbudget" that the retard Genderblender keeps calling it) is because they CAN make it, and make it good, for that money. Whedon can make a little go a long way, that's what working on TV shows with tiny budgets will teach you - all of his shows, plus Serenity, looked considerably better than their budget would have you believe they could look. It will be epic, you'll wonder how they did it on 170million but they WILL do it. There's no point throwing more money at it than is necessary, even if you're Disney and you're confident in it.
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May 10, 2011, 1:35 a.m. CST
They released the movie overseas first to take advantage of bank holidays in Australia and the UK. It was Paramount's decision.
by Robert
You'll see the difference once Cap's movie comes out. Winona, Iron Man was Marvel Studios first picture. They blew their wad a bit with it so to speak. Notice how the highest paid actor in Iron Man was Terrence Howard? It was a learning experience for them. Note how they started lowballing actors after the first movie. If they think they can make The Avengers for $170 mil and also make it good, then more power to them. I think they can too.
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I thought my posts to you alone, you and roberto together, and to ahole _were_ funny. You, of all people, should appreciate the way I answered ahole's request, at least. You even said "Haha..." right after it. Were you just being kind? Nah, that can't be it...
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May 10, 2011, 1:48 a.m. CST
Hm so add delusional and unfunny to your...REPERTOIRE...I see that your *winning* personality is well known around here.
by Robert
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May 10, 2011, 1:57 a.m. CST
"calling you Jesus Christ would imply that you're a mythical creature"...
by kisskissbangbang
...as Donnie Darko once said, "How do you know I'm not?" A mythical creature, that is... Or Jesus Christ..... ......Or both? As that famous New Yorker cartoon said. "On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog..." Or a god. So verily, watcheth thy step.
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May 10, 2011, 2 a.m. CST
Christ almighty stop comparing F5 to Thor's B.O! For the love of god people Fast 5 is already a set franchise that started a decade ago
by The Founder
Seriously how is Fast 5 e en a comparison to Thor? They are two different movies.
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May 10, 2011, 2:03 a.m. CST
Fast 5 dropping 62% isn't a problem. All them summer flicks that have huge opening drop at least 50% or higher the next weekend.
by The Founder
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May 10, 2011, 2:08 a.m. CST
viggeo, the part where I told you I was honored was sincere...
by kisskissbangbang
...it was the part about competing for a certain AICN title that was a joking putdown (of AICN). But I guess if you have to explain it, it's not much of a joke...*sob*... Excuse me, I'm feeling a little verklempt...
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..and I appreciate it. Honestly. I think we're on the same page now.
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BAHAHAHA I think you meant Under but that still made me LOL...
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May 10, 2011, 2:27 a.m. CST
BSB most be watching BET in another reality, cause the one I watch had the same tv clips on other channels
by The Founder
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May 10, 2011, 2:32 a.m. CST
mr ahole - yeah i'm not in love with my handle. Not sure where I came up with it
by Robert
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May 10, 2011, 2:36 a.m. CST
Haha maybe i should be Black_Heimdall. just to stick it in yo faces! bahahaha
by Robert
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May 10, 2011, 2:43 a.m. CST
The love of seeing your name above posts that is. I would say the love of your own voice, but not relevant
by Robert
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...by "humorless", you meant my not finding humor in _your_ running feud with Roberto, not that you couldn't recognize _my_ attempts at humor. As Daffy Duck said in one of those Bugs, Daffy & Elmer cartoons: "I see the the problem now...Pronoun trouble!" ("Shoot him now...shoot me now...shoot him now...") All clear now. Though maybe my failure to get a clue means I should consider packing it in for the night... Yup, that's it. I'm getting out of the pool now. Thanks and good night to all, it's been fun. Just one last thing... "And why considerest thou the mote in thy neighbor's eye, and not the beam in thine own?" Lesson there for all of us. (Except me. Not that I'm Jesus Christ or anything, he said as he walked off across the water...) See you subsequently. Play nice, kids.
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...say, why don't you three guys band together like the Musketeers, take out braindrain, and use your vast powers for good instead of evil? Just a thought. See you in the morning.
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May 10, 2011, 2:57 a.m. CST
I think Pee Wee was gay - I would've fucked Dottie 2 seconds after she threw herself at me
by Robert
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May 10, 2011, 3:06 a.m. CST
Nah I wouldnt change my name to that. When I do pick a new handle, it'll be somewhat similar to this.
by Robert
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May 10, 2011, 3:08 a.m. CST
Bristol Palin ruined her face with that surgery. I liked the round baby fat look. I hate her family's politics, though.
by Robert
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Beat you all to it!
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Hammer TIME...
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You should read the rest of the talkback as i explain what happened with that. Also, it's a ferociously entertaining thread if i may say so myself...
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I got caught up in the NBA playoffs. Celtics/Heat game 4 was on, and i couldn't tear myself away from it. So the plan is to watch it tomorrow, or Wednesday at the latest.
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May 10, 2011, 3:19 a.m. CST
OK, let me guess how's the acceptance thing about THOR in here:
by AsimovLives
The americans are bitching about it and finding the damnest silly excuses to find faults in it, the type of stuff that even the Baby Jesus couldn't be bothered with. Meanwhile, the foreigners are appreciating what is a truly fine movie. It's weierd that so many americans fall so easy and lap it up a truly shitty retard bullshit movie like ABRAMS TREK, but are so obsessed in finding faults with fine movies like THE DARK KNIGHT, INCEPTION and now THOR. Who can understands this?
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May 10, 2011, 3:20 a.m. CST
You folk over there in that strange, WONDEROUS land they call "PORTUGAL", don't like Basketball, huh?
by dude duderson
Or any american sport for that matter, do you?
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May 10, 2011, 3:21 a.m. CST
Nobody's gonna bitch about this new handle of mine, will they?
by dude duderson
I know there are some "sensitive sally's" in the audience here at AICN, when it comes to race and whatnot...
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I would LOVE to discuss the UBER-FLAWED, and sickeningly overrated TDK with you. And point out how equally silly it is (if not moreso) than that JJTREK you hate so much... Nitpicking, i'm afraid, it is not. TDK suffers from major issues that include character development/motivations, gaping plot-holes, heavy-handed manner of presenting themes... inconsistent/self-contradicting script, in terms of character, plot, and themes... convoluted and laughably contrived... and ultimately the way that it seems to "insist upon itself"... that it really believes or acts like it's really a "great movie" and that what it has to say is somehow "profound" or "deep". It is the ultimate case of the Emperor Has No Clothes... and your critique of JJ TREK (while an obviously flawed film) is FAR more nitpicky than my take on TDK. I guarantee you that, my friend... But sadly, this must be done another time as i've been on this damn site for HOURS now, and i'm fucking hungry and sleepy. I bid you adieu, good sir :)
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DO NOT ENGAGE!! DO NOT ENGAGE!! **WEEEOOOOOOWEEEEEOOOOOOOO**
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Later, folks!
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GALLON. I give Peter North a run for his money! Both in terms of volume, distance, and consistency :)
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I'm done.
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May 10, 2011, 4:24 a.m. CST
So now films are living, breathing entities?
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
The Dark Knight movie thinks of itself as a masterpiece? How did you come to this conclusion? While watching it, you thought, damn this movie is really awesome it must have a huge ego? Assimov. Americans liked Star Trek more than Thor(well, everyone on the planet did but that's another story) because it's a light-hearted, fun adventure romp that made them feel good. And the USA is so fucked up that the anti-depressant popping, alcohol guzzling Americans need movies like that. See. All your obsessive nit-picking and whining and crying about this and that and Jar Jar and Shit Trek all amounts to nothing. Nada, zip, zilch bro.
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Domestic: $65,723,338 + Foreign: $176,000,000 = Worldwide: $241,723,338 Yeap it is a flop all-right.you can argue that if you take into account the foreign grosses it is a hit,but studios dont think like that,they focus mainly on the domestic market. now the movies hasnt completed its run in the movie theaters,there is enough time for it to reach its budget mark,but on the other hand it is an event movie and this kind of movies are expected to get back at least half of their cost in 3 days after their initial premiere in the american market. Thor doesnt seem to hold a lot of steam,it is one of those genre movies with only a limited fanbase and a limited curious general audience which bring the most of the profits to it.sad.
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it is called pretension which is the allegation of a doubtful value,of something that you are not in reality. a movie does not need to be self-aware in order to be a pretentious work of art by the artist.we the viewers can judge this by themselves,it is called critical thinking. Now personally i dont think TDK is a very pretentious film,i think that honor belongs to the vastly overrated Inception,one of the most pretentious,emptiest and boring scifi movies of the last 20 years.
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I meant no harm. It was an inside joke... And that would be fairly obvious to you had you actually taken the time to read my initial posts, and the prior discussion that myself, Roberto, and ahole ramirez were having right before the handle-change... before you got all unecessarilly riled up and emotional over it. I assure you that there is quite a gap between myself (in making a joke), and someone like that trolling, hate spewing "majority" who uses pretty awful homophobic and racist remarks to attack people and groups of people. Biiiiiiiiiiiiiig difference, sweetheart. But just for you ma'am, 'cause i like you... i won't post under this handle anymore, cool? :)
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In my inital post under the new name (or 2nd post or something...) i actually alluded to the fact that someone might be upset with the handle, and thus, i would discontinue it if that were the case... So this is my last post as "Porch_Monkey_Heimdall" May he R.I.P.
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May 10, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST
There goes that viggeo - making friends again. Class act, that guy....
by RobertoInfinite
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May 10, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST
Hes a masterful, highly creative, energetic artist
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
So that makes his films pretentious. O.K. got it you guys only like Michael Bay movies. Wait. Everyone here trashes Bay, too. Would you fucking nerds make up your damned minds? You don't like mindless action, and you don't like well crafted works of cinema, either. Fuck man what do you like Kilik, sucking on your mommies titties? Is that generic enough for you? Thor is not a flop, in any way shape or form. People always come here and say "the studios wanted this" or the "studios wanted that." Of fucking course they wanted the movie to perform like Lord of the Rings. But that's not going to fucking happen, now, is it? The studios make a lot more from the domestic gross as opposed to world-wide, it's true. But the film will still turn a profit, it's made enough of a splash to turn Thor into a brand name. DVDs, merchandise, etc. It's all good. He's a second tier comic hero, if they were expecting Spiderman numbers they were just simply fucking insane. There's a reason they made Iron Man waaaaaaaaay before bringing Thor out. It was a risk, and it didn't fall flat on it's face, that's a success. Especially overseas ;)
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May 10, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST
Killik, sorry I know you want Thor to fail but it's not happening. He WILL be in The Avengers, and I expect them to announce a sequel sooner than later. Sorry bud.
by RobertoInfinite
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The film has been out for one week in the states. By the end of next weekend it will have grossed more than twice its budget worldwide. By ANY standards that makes it a success. End of conversation. When all is said and done it will have taken in much more than that. Now go to Box Office Mojo and look at how many films currently in theaters, from the top to the bottom of the list, have that same profit margin. Did you go look? No. OK, let me help you then, about 1/4 of them at most. A vast majority of them will never make twice their budget, let alone anything past that point. And most of them won't do a fragment of the what Thor will do on Blu-Ray and DVD. In other words, get ready for the sequels, because they're comin'.
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I got the impression last night while reading through several of the current talkbacks with long arguments that at least one person IS actually posting under two names. Their posting and writing style is IDENTICAL, yet they were using two different names. It was kind of disturbing.
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...and read through the "comments" it becomes pretty clear.
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I said comments twice in one sentence... I hate that mess.
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it will also prove to Hollywood that they don't NEED to spend the bloated budgets they have in the last decade to achieve massive blockbuster status. So there.
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THe landis wonderous, the wine is wonderous, the food is wonderous, the government is shit. And yes we have basketball and such (barely any baseball, though). But the national sport her eis Football, which for some weird ass reason only you guys in USA call Soccer. So, what's your point, exactly?
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Character developement in ABRAMS TREK? What character developement? We saw a bunch of detestable uninteresting assholes become even more detastable assholes and uninteresting? That shit is considered character developement? The hell it is!
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It's not nickpicking when the problems of a movie are so severe they boil up on the surface like geisers. That's Abrams Trek. The so-caleld problems of TDK can be all rationalised away if you actually think about the movie. That's the thing about TDK versus Abrams Trek: It takes some thinking. That's why TDjK is great, while Abrams Trek is the retard piece of shit that it is.
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I feel as if them destroying the rainbow bridge at the end was just a safety plan if this movie bombs, they'll say "now we have an excuse for him to only be in three minutes of The Avengers because the bridge was broken and Hydra (or whomever is going to be the baddie with the cosmic cube in Avengers) only opens a portal to the other worlds in the last five minutes of the movie. Sorry fans maybe next time."
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"Americans liked Star Trek more than Thor(well, everyone on the planet did but that's another story) because it's a light-hearted, fun adventure romp that made them feel good. And the USA is so fucked up that the anti-depressant popping, alcohol guzzling Americans need movies like that." That is the most damning bashing of Abrams Trek i ever read. That definatly proved beyond a shadow of a doubt why the fucking movie is terrible: it's mistaken as a good movie because the people who watched it are drugged up to the eyeballs. Now it all makes perfect sense. Abrams Trek, a movie for brain-fried junkies.
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You don't ask for banning just because you disagree with somebody. So you disagree with porch_monkey_heimdall, so what? That's life, deal with it. I might not agree with porch_monkey_heimdall, but i'll defend his right to post in here and say his opinion anyday of the week.
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May 10, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST
Poeple pissing on TDK: only here at AICN, the site with the most enemies of cinema per capita in the whole world.
by AsimovLives
Small wonder Abrams Trek is so loved in here.
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May 10, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST
And to clarify: I didn't really like the movie, thought the 3D was a waste of money as it always is.
by stu_pickles
Only character in the movie you actually learn or care about is Thor and a maybe a little Loki.
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Genderbender wasn't disagreeing with what was said. He found the guy's TB handle to be offensive. A porch monkey is a racial slur for black slaves who were forced to sit on their master's porches.
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May 10, 2011, 5:33 p.m. CST
It's so tiring when a few idiots completely take over a talkback
by kevred
It's painfully obvious who that is in this case, sadly.
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May 10, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST
I like TDK AND Abrams' Star Trek AND Thor. What does that make me, exactly?
by RobertoInfinite
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Is a racist douche, as his handle suggests. Any one who would engage in a serious discussion with him is giving him FAR MORE credit than he deserves.
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May 10, 2011, 6:56 p.m. CST
porch_monkey_heimdall is viggeo and I've come to expect the lowest form of douchebaggery from him. Just ignore him and maybe he'll go away.
by RobertoInfinite
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May 10, 2011, 7:12 p.m. CST
ahole I think you made him commit suicide by posting his twitter handle
by RobertoInfinite
LOL That was wrong. Funny, but wrong.
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Someone say a film that is over $90 million in the black a flop.... But it's that kind of silliness that if find amusing.... On a lighter note... I enjoyed Thor a lot... Also it's rather ironic that the film wasn't the all out cheesefest some folks were more than willing to bet it would be...
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I haven't had that good a laugh in a tb in a while...
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Each year, about 1.2 million people in the United States die after reading talkbacks that feature braindrain and ahole ramirez. The cause, a condition widely known as Fucknozzlitis, often results in aneurysms, and is the leading killer of nerds in the United States. Many more people could survive or recover better from Fucknozzlitis if they got help faster, either by departing talkbacks as soon as they see the usernames braindrain and ahole ramirez, or if they abstain from reading the website Ain't It Cool News entirely. The Surgeon General recommends the latter. Of the people who die from Fucknozzlitis, about half die within an hour of the first symptoms and before they reach the hospital.
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May 10, 2011, 9:48 p.m. CST
Oh yeah! Bulls need one more game to put the Hawks to bed! Then it will be time to turn the Heat down!
by RobertoInfinite
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May 10, 2011, 9:53 p.m. CST
Looking more and more like Bulls vs Heat for the conference finals - a team they beat 3-0 during the regular season!
by RobertoInfinite
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Taste so good make a grown man cry
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May 10, 2011, 11:06 p.m. CST
I have bugs in my room because I don't have a screen door or window screen and it just got hot as balls in Chicago overnight.
by RobertoInfinite
Fuck bugs.
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Can't wait to buy another ticket and see it again! I might Imax 3D it and do my part to help it get a sequel. It deserved one.
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"if this movie bombs" It has already significantly NOT bombed. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?
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May 10, 2011, 11:46 p.m. CST
Delusional geeks call it a flop. They also call their basements "reality" and Cheetos "food".
by RobertoInfinite
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Batman Begins made OVER 200 million in the U.S. alone...and that was with lower ticket prices. I'd be very surprised if THOR hits that domestic number, even with today's higher ticket prices.
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"He found the guy's TB handle to be offensive. A porch monkey is a racial slur for black slaves who were forced to sit on their master's porches." I didn't knew that. Thanks for that information, friend. Wouldn't it be ironic if the dude was black himself?
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As i said many times before, stick with the 2D version. And character developement is not always necessary for a good story. James Bond is a classic case of a character without character development for 50 years now. The most important thing is for the characters to be interesting. And there is character development in Thor, specially the main dude Thor himself. In many ways it's too easy to make characters who do that developement stuff. In fact, there's seas and storms of cliches dedicated to that. Harder, and the thing what would prove a writer's skill was to create a character who doesn't change and yet remains interesting and compeling.
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Reading talkbacks nowadays you think racists finally got computers and just let the hate fly. "Heimdall is not black" well this might be a shock but, uh, Jesus isn't white, he's Middle Eastern. It's true! Also who cares, fact is it's a popcorn flick based off a long running comic book. Truth is I wasn't all that into Thor in the first place, I was into X-Men whom Fox has yet allowed to make a decent movie as an allegory to the 1960's American Civil Rights movement. I digress. The overall movie, while it has its faults, too short a character arc for its titular character, Earth scenes being boring compared to the Asgard/Ice Realm scenes, Jane Foster reduced from smart young scientist too googly goop around Thor I would be too, average take on hero's quest, too many characters brought in with little to do other than very quick purpose ie. Warriors Three & Sif, Frigga, Heimdale, Hawkeye?! and Ice Giants, the "War" that was a brief moment and so on. It's not perfect, no film under the Summer tentpole releasing system is but it was fun and I was entertained. To do that and introduce a new actor into the mainstream is tough just ask Eric Bana and Brandon Routh. Point is the movie is fine and any undue hate upon it is really misguided. It has faults so does practically every movie released in the States but at least it's fun and has an engaging lead lead who keeps interest along with a decent and sympathetic villain. Other than that I can't ask for more.
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Yes, it's the Cosmic Cube.
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Heimdall rocked. Now, which orange actor do we get for Beta Ray Bill?
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I would've gone 2D if given the option. What pisses me off is when I'm forced to spend more money only to see incoherent blurs grunt while I try to guess who's punching who, because my two stupid theaters play every movie that is 3D capable in 3D only. As for character development, I can agree that static characters are entertaining sometimes. But I can't say that it is "harder" to write a character that never adapts or evolves. It's easy to give someone a gimmick or make them unique to be interesting but much harder creating a living, breathing, changing life that they would live.
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I still feel as if that was their contingency plan IF the movie HAD flopped and still may end up being the case in the Avengers. I called it here first.
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May 11, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST
Wow! Braindrain disses both Batman Begins and Blade Runner. (Sarcasm Intended.)
by Stalkeye
Unlike Superman Returns and Bay's Transformers, I can watch BB and BR once every year ans still not tire of said films. You might come off defensive and say, "well, Asimovlives is always bashing Star Trek, so why can't I have an opinion?" Well, although i won't go as far as Asi when trashing Trek, it did not live up to the hyperbole and if anything, it came off as one of those franchise films just for the sole purpose of selling "Happy meals" and shit. let's see; a villian who appears to be a 3rd rate Khan Signh but no where as charismatic, A sappy prologue which involves Kirk's dad played by..Thor Helmsworth himself, Nimoy phoning in his iconic role as Spock (prime), and a few other things not worth remembering from the "talented" team of Orci and Kuntzman. OK, I did like the Redshirt in-joke, Zachary as Spock and Urban did a great portrayal as Bones. The movie should have been tweaked but despite my gripes, it's still way better than Generations and The Final Frontier. Yeah, everyone is entitlted to an opinion, but Ryan you have yet to explain why you dislike a film, To Asi's credit, atleast he can break it down in full detail of why he likes or dislikes a Movie. So by just saying that Begins is a bomb does not give your posts/opinions credibility.
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Actually, they were the best actors in the whole film (Portman was OK but nothing that would actually stand out.) and Elba's Hemidall for such a short part, did the character justice. So on the contereire, they had strong enough performances to add character development throughout the film.
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They were never not going to have Thor in the Avengers. Avengers was filming PRIOR to Thor fucking coming out for one thing. The script's been locked down for a long time now. Plus while The Avengers has had many teams it has always been defined by the troika of Cap, Iron Man and Thor. If you remove Thor from that you have a Cap / Iron Man crossover, it wouldn't even be The Avengers. Writing him out was NEVER an option. You call nothing my friend. And you can't retrospectively call something that hasn't happened AFTER it hasn't happened. What kind of fucked up logic is that shit?
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May 11, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST
boosebaster I cosign everything you just said. Thinking a plot device was put in Thor as a failsafe to possibly keep him out of the Avengers is dumb as hell.
by RobertoInfinite
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Did it really leak? I can't find it anywhere.
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I am simply stating that I am calling the fact that The Avengers will go without Thor for the majority of the movie because of the aforementioned plot-point. Non of which has happened, so, it is impossible for me to retrospectively comment after it has, in fact, not happened since, it not happening, does not place it in the past but rather the future. I cannot be retrospective about the future, makes no sense. And to clarify further I have not read or know of any specifics about The Avengers script and am simply having fun with an idea. I would like it to stay that way.
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And i fucking loved it. the whole backstory how odin adopted loki kenneth bragnah did an excellent job. the whole star travel thing was excellent. I wished to had seen the infinity gauntlet that would have made my fucking day. infinity war bitches!!! Loki was so tragic. i understand his rational behind his betrayal. The destroyer battle. could have been more brutal and wild... Hemidall. omfg, so fucking scary and im not saying that because he's black, but because he was very imposing. loki was kinda scared, he had to freeze him because it looked like he was gonna whip his ass and the eyes was awesome... The whole mjolnir was done right. it looked heavy, powerful and mystical. Was worth the money.... i dont know why there's alot of haters for this movie. Post credits we see the eventual sight of nick fury, the doctor and a mystical artificat known in the marvel comics as the: Cosmic cube. I dont know much about the cube, but i do know that in the wrong hands, it's extremely dangerous, but i'd rather have the infinity gauntlet. a glove to rule them all... That should be in the avengers... Oh yeah spoiler alert, muthafucka. lol.
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May 11, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST
"Hemidall. omfg, so fucking scary and im not saying that because he's black"...BAHAHAHAHAHA
by RobertoInfinite
It's not because blacks are scary or anything! hahaha
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That's gonna be one of the main driving points of captain america's movie is that in the comics the red skull gets his hands on it and all hell breaks loose. And of course, just like iron man 2 is linked to thor, thor is linked to cap, and cap's end piece is the begining of the avengers. possibly. lol. I'd rather have the infinity gauntlet.... though. but that's just me.
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I'm black myself... I'm saying he was scary because he was.he looked demonic... the gold armor, the crazy voice and bright orange eyes, and im not intimidated??? I wasnt scared of odin or loki, but this guy, sheeit i wouldnt want to fight him.
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May 11, 2011, 5:52 p.m. CST
Lol that was funny and slightly racist sounding, hence my reaction. LOL
by RobertoInfinite
Plus if you're black, why would you need to point out that his blackness wasn't what made him scary?
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Hmmm well you know how some white people subsciously are scared of black people. lol. I think in the overall scope hemidall, i think that's what they was going for... That could be just my opinion...
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you know he's like beetlejuice, if you say it three times he comes to life! quiet! lol.
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May 12, 2011, 12:04 a.m. CST
ghost-of-chainsaw they're only subsconsciously afraid of black people until they go on Xbox Live
by RobertoInfinite
Then it seems like the 12 year olds' favorite word is "nigger". Ah the internet and it's anonymity. Makes some people feel tougher than they really are I guess. Good times.
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