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News about Jodorowsky, Caro and Marilyn Manson.... sequel to EL TOPO and a film about a man in the universe!!!
Hey folks, one of my old editors from my SciFi Universe days has recently landed a super coup cool interview with famed eccentric filmic genius, Jodorowsky. We've written a few articles in the past about the big J... and for film fans in the know... they KNOW that Jodorowsky is just one of them cool film directors that the rest of the world isn't in the know about.... well, step up and learn. Oh... and the idea of CARO and JODOROWSKY teaming up is just... drool inducing.... here ya go.....
Harry,
I did a big interview that's in the current issue of MEAN Magazine. (MeanMag.Com)
Here's the news, straight from him:
1. Jodo has completed a script for Caro (Delicatessan, City of Lost Children). It's about "an actor who gets lost in the
universe. And that is all! Like one actor. ... The one actor multiplies himself. They will do it but the picture takes four years
till they do it. It's a question of time, from the script, from the early phase, there is a lot of time."
2. Sequel to EL TOPO? "I don't do a conventional 'Part II.' I wrote a script named 'Abelcain,' which could be story of the sons
of El Topo. I've been looking for five years for a producer to invest five million dollars in the project. Impossible."
3. Marilyn Manson: "I like this guy. His videos are very artistic. I don't know what is his musical value, but I like the optical
values. He always is breaking the limits, no? Art is always amoral. And he seems apersonal, this person.He's something
that's further than a human being.... I think he is kind of a genius, literally..."
4. Many of his graphic novels, previously untranslated into English, will be released in various forms (comics, books,
etc.) in America in 2000.
There's lots more in the interview regarding
1. Why HOLY MOUNTAIN stillisn't available in the US on legit video or DVd
2. What exactly was involved with his doomed DUNE project in the mid-'70s
3. Interest in video games, shamanism/magick, drug experiences, the Tarot, etc.
Hope this is of interest to you and your readers
Jay Babcock
Editor, Mean Magazine
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Sons Of El Topo was announced about 2 years ago; there was even a poster circulating. Ho hum...thought this place was supposed to be the cutting edge...
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who cares if it's old news to some of us, let's be thankful he's still around and kicking and thinking wonderful thoughts! Mind you he ought to fuck Manson off and get involved with Spritiualised if you ask me!
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Great news!! An original returns.
Jodorowsky is the man, El Topo especially, total unsurpassed wierdness.
Manson and Jodorowsky. Not sure about that, Manson's idea of 'alternative'is far to conventional. Far too safe, teenage, shopping mall goth for me.
Spiritualised ain't a bad suggestion, I'll add Add NtoX, Aphex Twin and loads of fucked up Underground Dance music, that's the way to go.
Comix wise: the Incal books he did with Mobieus are superb.(There's a great film in there as well)
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I don't have a problem with MM, frankly. Sure he cribs and commercializes stuff us kooks have been into for years, but it's a good entrance point for suburban kids to get into really hard core weirdness. Sort of like Dr. Seuss. And if he's good enough for Rose McGowan... Just promise me she'll be in the film too and I'm Happy Boy.
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She'd be perfect, don't ya think?
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"Marilyn Manson a kind of genius?" Yes, it takes a genius to steal Alice Cooper's and David Bowie's old schtick and meld them together to make some money. I don't have anything against the guy, but come on, "genius" is a strong word. Savvy businessman is more like it.
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This guy is the MacDonalds of rock music. But at least he keeps several accountants busy. God bless America!
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...with agentcooper. Marilyn Manson is a hack! And to take it a step further, he has no talent to boot!
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That dude sucks! My crack will engulf he and all of his fans alike! HEY! STOP LOOKING AT MY CRACK!
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Jan 06, 2000 10:28:59 AM CST
Spiritualised, Add N to X, Aphex Twin, Super Furry Animals et al
by reni
These kinds of bands dream of making soundtracks to films as rare and fucked up as El Topo and Holy Mountain. Jodorowsky would have something really special using some of these bands in his films. Please forget about Marilyn, he's okay but really fucked up people don't need to show off!
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His music is unimpressive, and, due to its telegraphed nature, is devoid of any substantial shock value. He does, however, come off as a rather thoughtful guy in the interviews I've seen, which makes it difficult for me to completely write him off. I'm interested to see what Jodorowski has planned for Manson. Of one thing you can be sure..... whatever the director of SANTA SANGRE dreams up, it won't be commercial.
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...watching Holy Mountain was a viceral, cathartic and all about moving experience. With Santa Sangre I look to Gump and say, "Horror is as horror does." El Topo the second - what darkness will AJ provide for us now? Please, above all else, keep that Kevin from Mr Belvedere looking idiot out of any production that has AJ delivers.
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...I agree with you!! Your description nailed the essence of it. On an off-topic note, the rally to bring back "AgentCole" didn't wind up being much of a rally at all. Seems "AgentCole" is banned forever. Anyway, I would like to thank you and Peregrin for your support (I guess a 2 man rally wasn't quite enough people to lift the ban). But beaks...Kubrick CLOCKWORK ORANGE is not a flawed film.
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Fuck Manson! And fuck Clockwork! They all suck! My crack will engulf the bunch of them! HEY! STOP LOOKING AT MY CRACK!
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HEY! STOP LOOKING AT MY CRACK!
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Sorry, Cole, but your situation struck me as oddly reminiscent of THE CRUCIBLE. Maybe you could choose a different TWIN PEAKS character like Pete Martell, or, my personal fave, Major Briggs (i.e. if they're not taken.) And you can try all you want to lure me into another CLOCKWORK ORANGE debate..... it ain't happenin'! I haven't the energy to pick through that movie today.
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...umm, you seem to have some major problems. I suggest that you refrain from posting until you grow up a bit. And beaks...well, I still don't know WHY "AgentCole" was banned. Oh well. Briggs and Martell were great characters. Anyway, I was kidding about ACO. I too do not have the energy today to discuss that film.
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I will NOT refrain from posting. My crack will engulf YOU too!!! HEY! STOP LOOKING AT MY CRACK!
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...wasn't Marilyn Manson supposed to make cameo appearances throughout David Lynch's Mulholland Drive series (which obviously never aired)? I think he was. And do you know that MD was supposed to be a mid-season replacement??? Instead they went with So, You Wanna Be a Millionaire! What a fucking shit show! I guess it does well in the ratings, and that's all a good businessman would care about, but that's the dumbest fucking game show ever! Argh!! And to think that MD could be on in that slot. Someone give Lynch money and let him do RONNIE ROCKET! Like, $60 million!
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Does the man direct his own videos? Do his own artistic design? I don't think so. Artists frequently have very little to do with the results of their music videos, they just show up. Even if he does, let's face it: all he had was a good marketing strategy. I say 'was' because he's clearly on the way out, his stuff just sits on the shelves where it used to sell like hotcakes. Someday when they look back they'll file him with the other gimmick groups, like Madonna or the Backstreet Boys, which are based on marketing ideas and not on musical talent. Like people say above, look to a real artist like Spiritualized or even Radiohead (way more depressing than Manson, and 'climbing up the walls' is scarier than Manson could ever be)
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Brilliant!!....All you bastards hoisting QTarantino's derivitive cinema in-jokes up on the sails of good or bad cinematic taste obviously arent worth the salt crusted in the folds of your mother's dry wrinkled puss to call Manson a hack...... AGENTCOOPER YOU DOLT...genius is also a description cast on David Bowie, who himself admits to thieving and nothing but...and for Manson to do the same is nothing new or any less valid...Art is...or should be anyway...a subjective experience...but either way..soul sucking jerk... when you spurt.." I mean, come on, when all is said and done...it all boils down to the music you put out, when you claim to be a musician. marilyn manson has not put a SINGLE GOOD SONG!!! He's a total faker and he relies TOTALLY on image." thats some goofy opinion of your own, then you go on to say you cant support him in any endeavor be it directing or starring in a film,writing for rolling stone...Come the fuck on, have you actually heard every song on all five legit albums, to back up that asinine remark?? As for Perry Farrell, I must agree with you, he can definitely back himself up with what is probably the most original music of the nineties, and not to mention he's gorgeous..although...his ultra new age spirituality is a bit draining...
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What's the plot of RONNIE ROCKET anyway? That's a really dumb title, I have to say. Maybe you should get Jesse Jackson to protest on your behalf to get the AgentCole user ID reinstated. I mean, it's not as if you beat the crap out of someone at a football game...
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...first off, thanks for the support in the "Lift the ban on 'AgentCole' Rally". All support is appreciated, for I have no idea why FatherGeek banned him. Anyway, the plot for RONNIE ROCKET (or the sales pitch) reads something like, "It's about this three foot tall guy with red hair and electricity. And...some other stuff." That's all I really know about it. However, one can read the script - it's floating around somewhere on the web. I would also like to see Lynch get to do DREAM OF THE BOVINE, which is about, "These three guys who used to be cows - but they're people now. They look like cows and they do cow-like behaviour, but they're people. They like to do things like watch cars drive by the house." I'd love to see Lynch get to do these films. If I'm not mistaken, DREAM OF THE BOVINE is a comedy where RONNIE ROCKET is more of a high budget futuristic sci-fi.
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Fuck David Lynch! Fuck Tarentino! And fuck all of you! My crack will engulf you all! HEY! STOP LOOKING AT MY CRACK!
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...you're obviously nothing more than a pathetic mental midget! I mean, you level of stupidity seems unmeasurable! It seems all you do is go around and say stupid things on every board. I mean all I read from you is, "Fuck this!", and "Fuck that!". Please grow up. People like you REALLY make me wonder why the hell I got banned...are you reading THIS board FatherGeek???
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Although I strongly disagree with your irresponsible "anti-political correctness views" I must admit to agreeing with you in regards to CrackDaddy. CrackDaddy, please listen to COLE and grow up...Give a hoot, don't pollute.
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Fuck COLE! Fuck Environmentalist! Fuck Panoma! Fuck you all!!! And fuck political correctness! Do you think that CrackDaddy is gonna sit around and bitch about how he hates "Vertically challenged women"? Hell fucking no! CrackDaddy is going to say "Fuck all tall bitches! Theyre fucking freaks! CrackDaddy only fucks short petite bitches!" Fuck you all! My crack will engulf the bunch of ya! HEY! STOP LOOKING AT MY CRACK!
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Lickerish Lady: I never claimed that Bowie deserved the title "genius" either (although I enjoy quite a bit of his music). If you like MM, cool, fine for you, but what he does is derivative of many of the glam rock/shock rock acts of the early to mid 1970s. Maybe Bowie stole some of his act, as well, but he was the most famous of the glam rockers, and therefore can be cited as an influence today. Like I said, I don't have anything against Marilyn Manson (he actually seems fairly intelligent in interviews), but I don't think he has anything new to say and I don't think he has much musical talent. He's using his image and his image alone to make money. Everything about him is carefully CALCULATED to SHOCK. Let us not pretend that there's more to him than makeup and contact lenses. If he means something more to you, I'm happy for you. We all need heroes. Even the Insane Clown Posse has a fan base.
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...isn't Marilyn Manson the older brother from Mr. Belevedere??? Or is that a false rumor like he was Paul from the Wonder Years??? By the way agentcooper, you are correct about Manson ripping his act off from others in the 70's - there's no doubt about it. And another thing coop'....THE PHANTOM MENACE still sucks, and FIRE WALK WITH ME is still brilliant. (Just kidding. Well, not really, but...)
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One of the best experences in my life was walking into the Hollywood theatre in Bryan College Station and seeing City of Lost Children. I had never even heard of the film and just thought the poster was interesting...Man was I glad I did...one of my favorite movies...and a grear DVD I might add...
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Oh, Cole, not again...Can we just agree that Twin Peaks was, for a brief time, the greatest drama on television? I'll make a deal with you. I will watch FWWM again with an open mind, now having some distance between what I expected and what I got, if you will do the same with TPM when it comes out on video in April. Whatd'ya say?
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They're both useless, illiterate loudmouths. Come to think of it, what ever happened to Bob Scrotum? *** DREAM OF THE BOVINE sounds a lot more promising than RONNIE ROCKET. Hey, Cole, did you check out the LOST HIGHWAY discussions on IMDB yesterday? Right up your alley.
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I'd highly recommend re-visiting FIRE WALK WITH ME. It actually improves upon repeated viewings, and is *just* brilliant enough to wash the awful taste of the last episodes of TWIN PEAKS clean out of your mouth (save for the final installment, which benefitted from Lynch's direction.)
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I always thought that if they gave Lynch/Frost another season, or even a half season commitment, they could have pulled the show up from the depths to which it fell after Laura's killer was captured. It was starting to get interesting again, and I think they had found a way out of the hole. God, think of the possibilites: Cooper in the Black Lodge, trying to get out. Bob in Cooper, simmering with murderous rage. Harry trying to comprehend everything going on in his little town...Alas it was not to be...Any word on that supposed DVD of FWWM that contains the footage Lynch shot of the rest of the cast? That would be something I'd love to see. By the way, Cole, you didn't respond to my Phantom Menace challenge
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...you should join the Lynch List. If you want to, go to www.onelist.com/subscribe/lynch-list (Panoma88, you may like that as well, and btw, I missed the LOST HIGHWAY discussion on imdb). Ayway, apparently France had a list of the top 25 films in the last 25 years. The film which received the most votes (henceforth, ranking #1) happened to be LOST HIGHWAY. Other Lynch films that made the top 25 included: THE ELEPHANT MAN and BLUE VELVET. Kubrick had: THE SHINING, FULL METAL JACKET, and BARRY LYNDON. I think that EYES WIDE SHUT and THE STRAIGHT STORY must not have been eligible. Anyway coop, I'm sure I will watch TPM again at some point. I'd be lying if I said I accept the challenge, because after seeing it twice already (reluctantly the second time) I think my opinion is pretty sound. But, if opportunity knocks, I'll keep an open mind. On a different note, the second season of TP wasn't THAT bad. There was the death of Maddy, the death of Leland, The Black Lodge, desperate love between Donna and James, Ben Horne's insanity, Jon Reneau taking over One-Eyed Jacks, Audrey's rescue mission, Windom Earle, Leo's bad luck, Truman's madness, Josie's death (doorknob), cool abstract scenes (log lady, midget, giant, etc), and all in all, I think it was still good. The biggest problem was that too many non-Lynch episodes went by, and it went off track a bit. I mean, he directed the pilot, Ep2, Ep8, Ep9, Ep14, and Ep29. If Lynch would have directed a few between 14 and 29, I think it would have been much better. Those episodes are all clearly better than the rest, and I think coop is right...Lynch had it going back on target through his direction of episode 29 alone. Imagine a thrid season with the good Dale trapped in the lodge, and the evil one roaming about Twin Peaks. (Which reminds me, I a m a firm believer that Cooper was inhabited by Bob before he even arrived at Twin Peaks. In any case, any Twin Peaks fans/Lynch fans oughta join the Lynch list...layer.
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Fuck Lost Highway! And FUCK YOU eternal, cole, and agentcooper! You guys are all a bunch of dumb fucks, and CrackDaddy is sick and tired of reading all of your moronic fucking postings! My crack will engulf the ENTIRE FUCKING BUNCH OF YA! HEY! STOP LOOKING AT MY CRACK!
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AgentCole banned? And I missed an entire rally to bring him back? Where have I been these past weeks?? Anyway I think its very liberal what gets passed for "art" these days. People are always looking for something new, something that pushes the limits, but just because something shocks, its not art. Art has to have something to say, and Manson is all flash and no substance.
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How does CrackDaddy survive the censors around here, while AgentCole gets banned?
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Most of the plot points you mentioned occured before the big Leland/Bob capture/death. The second season was just as good as the first until ABC made them reveal the killer. There's no doubt the series lost direction for quite a few episodes after that. I'm thinking specifically of James' affair with the rich lady and the plot to kill her husband, Little Nicky the devil-child, the Miss Twin Peaks pageant, and Ben perhaps being Donna's father. I wasn't too wild about Ben's recreation of the Civil War or Nadine's return to high school, either, but these were pretty funny subplots. They were really getting everything back in order though. I was upset they never got to expand upon that quivering hand thing that was affecting everyone right before the series' end. Anyway, Cole, don't discount the contribution of Mark Frost on the series. I'm a Lynchfan as well, but to ignore his partner isn't fair. It's a shame that Mullholland Falls isn't being given a chance. I've read the pilot script and it is very good. I think they had a good plan so what happened with Twin Peaks wouldn't happen again on their new show. Unfortunately, they never got the chance to even put it on.
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Stop it with all the Breakin' references!! The only part I enjoyed in that film is that part near the end where this girl with unshaved pits is waving her arms in the air. True fans, you'll know the spot I'm talking about!!
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You hit the nail on the head. I also didn't like the whole Jean Reneau story, that soap opera twit from Horne's Dept. Store who tried to steal Lucy from Andy, the gardener scraping his face up, the mystery restaurant critic, and David Warner. So many things went wrong in the second season: too many gratuitous deaths (just like NYPD BLUE lately), desperate attempts to be creepy or funny, etc. I'd have to say that the only good parts were those that were direct continuations from season one and anything in the Lynch-directed episodes. I've always thought TP should have been a one season mini-series, about 15 to 20 episodes tops. After that, really weird shows start to get repetitive and annoying.
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....where to start??? Panoma88...I have no idea why CrackDaddy survives the censors, and I still have no idea why FatherGeek banned "AgentCole".***Nice...yes, "AgentCole" was banned. Let him rest in peace.***agentcooper, I agree with you 100%! The series would NOT have had the down side if they did not make Lynch reveal the killer. Lynch has even said that the killer may NEVER have been revealed, but at the very least, it would have been a "long, long" time before the killer was revealed. I also agree with the respecting Mark Frost point you mentioned. It's obvious that Frost had a huge influence in the series, particularly Episode 7 (The season 1 finale) which he directed. That had Hillstreet Blues written all over certain scenes (ie-Andy shooting Jacque). Twin Peaks rules!!!***Eternal - you think that *I'M* CrackDaddy??? Are you sucking on the glass dick?!?! You're last post sounded a hell of a lot more like CrackDaddy and WhosYerDaddy than any of mine have (or anyone else for that matter!)
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...CrackDaddy, who the fuck ARE YOU??? Eternal, ARE YOU CrackDaddy???? Someone just pointed out to me that CrackDaddy has a hotmail account almost identical to mine! Somebody has a sick sense of humor...
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...now that you mention it, I think Eternal caught you COLE! It does seem strange that CrackDaddy only seems to post immediately after your posts. Unless he is some type of sicko...but then again, if he is you, that would constitute each of you being a sicko. Anyway, for whoever CrackDaddy or AgentCole is, vertically challeneged has nothing to do with the true reason that political correctness is an important aspect in our lives. It helps prevent hate, and that is the direction which the human race should be moving in. Give a hoot, don't pollute.
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...first off, what's with all of this liberal nonsense??? "Give a hoot, don't pollute"?!?!? Are you fucking kidding me??? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard!!! Political correctness is an infringement on ALL of our political rights!!! As is censorship, which caused the banning of "AgentCole"! And has anyone seen WhosYerDaddy lately????? My old time nemesis??? I don't know who CrackDaddy really is, but that's really fucked up! "When you see all that rhetorical smoke billowing up from the Democrats, well ladies and gentlemen, I'd follow the example of their nominee; don't inhale" - Ronald Reagan at the 1992 Republican Convention
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Things I left off the terrible list: The Pine Weasel and how it would save the Ghostwood Estates and Country Club. The headline "Asian Man Killed" from the Seattle Paper with a beautiful actor's headshot of "Johnathan." And the entire Diane Keaton directed episode. Other Good Stuff from Season II: Duchovney as Dennis/Denise, the disappearance and kidnapping of Major Briggs, Cooper and Earle's Game of Chess, Cooper's tragic relationship with Annie, Hank Jennings getting his butt kicked, Bobby and Shelly's affair in front of the comatose Leo, the petrocliff (sp.) in the cave, and the entire Tim Hunter directed episode where Leland is arrested and kills himself.
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Shit, I forgot all about that pine weasel crap. You're right about David Duchovny's scenes being great. *** In a totally gratuitous attempt to pretend to be on topic, how in the hell does a complete freak like Marilyn Manson get into the pants of a stacked mega-lay like Rose McGowan?
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...the series was called Mulholland Drive, not Mulholland Falls.
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Jan 06, 2000 4:25:53 PM CST
Rose+Mr. Manson: One man's take on this important situation...
by agentcooper
Rose is attracted to MM for three reasons: 1)Fame-He's famous, she wants to be famous. Together, they are a Famous Couple. 2)Money-He has some (See above posts about how he gets it), she wants some. 3)It's gotta really piss her mom and dad off. Oh, Rose, you rebellious little scamp. My goodness, the drug-filled orgies in which those two crazy kids must participate just boggles the mind, doesn't it?
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Fuck you COLE and fuck you Environmentalist!! You two suck cock!!! My crack will engulf the two of you! HEY! STOP LOOKING AT MY CRACK!
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That's right. Wasn't Mullholland Falls a terrible movie a few years back with Nick Nolte and the lovely Jennifer Connelly?
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...well agentcooper, I have no idea if that was a film or not. Did you happen to join the Lynch List coop??? In my opinion, it is a much more interesting list, but that's a no-brainer for a Lynch fan. It seems like the only time AICN is popular is when some new STAR WARS rumor comes out (or ocassionally when new FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING rumors sprout). In any case, has anyone ever seen the commercial featuring mini-me and Mr T??? What was the creative process behind that marketing strategy??? Next thing you know, they'll have their own freakin' sit com!
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I honestly can't believe that you are quoting Ronald Reagan. He was the most frightening man we ever had in office. Aside from the fact that he didn't care about the environment or the poor, he was a derranged man. Luckily, he was only a puppet. If he were really calling the shots, we'd have certainly been involved in a nuclear disaster. I don't understand how uncompassionate conservatives are always ripping on Bill Clinton when he actually stands for something positive. Unlike Reagan, who stood for evil and destruction. Just my 2 cents. Give a hoot, don't pollute.
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1. I love Caro, "Delicatesson" is so great, "Lost Children" was much more, eh, I don`t know, it was good but I liked "Deli" more. It`s also too bad that Whedon couldn`t write a better "Alien: Resurrection" script for him.
2. Manson is no genious IMO, but he`s alright. Some of his music is crap, but some of it is actually really good. Check out "Mechanical Animals", where he switches from Cooper to Bowie. Deraritive, yes, but a good record nonetheless.
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Bill Clinton doesn't stand for anything positive. He just sits for blow jobs.
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Yeah, but Manson is good at drowning out the noise of the shit-kickin speed-takin truck-drivin neighbors downstairs.
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I've enjoyed turning this talkback from a discussion of the El Topo sequel into a discussion of Twin Peaks with all of you. Cole, I will check into the Lynch newsgroup at home. I'm at work now and cannot subscribe. In terms of AICN's popularity, I've been visiting the site for a couple years now, and really like what it stands for: Pure Love of Film. I particularly enjoy the way Harry's love of film comes through in his writing. Say what you will ( He's a Bloated sell out, Flip-Flopping apologist, etc.), the guy has put together the site that gets me through the day. I'm out. See you all later...
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K, this is off topic, but I figured some visitor to this site would know,... In Magnolia, what is the phone number that Phil Hoffman uses to call Frank Mackey's video order hotline? Saw the movie last night and I heard that this number was real, but I forgot to write it down. Take care!
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About the great Manson debate-he's a musician, people have different opinions on that. Just because someone isn't all that good singing doesn't make him a bad actor. Example: LL Cool J did an okay job in Any Given Sunday, and I admit I'm not a huge LL fan. Directors are talented people; they can probably get actors to do what they want. Also, as sort of a side note, why do these info spots come in at like 6 in the morning? No normal person(ok, some people) is up then, and by the time the rest of us get here, the TalkBack is filled up. Harry, FatherGeek, whoever, try to change that so people who are busy from 9-5 with school or work can type on these things...thanks. --Saulot--
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Wherever I go on the TalkBack, he's there acting like a 14 year old Limp Bizkit fan in a teen chatroom. He's really annoying, even for me. --Saulot--
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Attention will only encourage these kinds of posters. Think of it as a sick way of fulfilling a total lack of social relationships.
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You can go ahead based on your looks for a while, but after some time people get tired and throw you away, now, the band Marilyn Manson has been around enough time to pass that stage, and you have to admit, that there is talent, great talent, involved in a song such as "Coma White".
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Brian Warner punches a time clock. He has a job. That job is being Marilyn Manson. You can't really even call him a phoney because it is all so obvious. "Marilyn Manson" was designed to make money off of disgruntled teenagers. He embodies good ol' capitalist principles. He's laughing all the way to the bank! Soon he will start appearing on HOLLYWOOD SQUARES.
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OK, just to let you all know, the whole manson glam rock thing wasn't just him trying to steal from david bowie. it was a show, a show he admitted to being what he thought the typical rock star should look like. I completely agree with ricky, if manson was completely image, he wouldn't be around today. i think it's a joke to listen to some of your 'he's just a stupid shock rocker' comments. he's not trying to scare anybody. all he's trying to do is voice his opinions, just like any of you are doing. one quick thing before i forget...was somebody saying madonna was all about image? well to quote south park: 'fuck you, buddy!' madonna kicks ass =). anyhow, back to the original point...i think the whole 'kill your god, kill your tv' thing, MistahEyahs, is really similiar to blink182's 'all the small things' video on mtv. it makes fun of all the mtv kids, and all the people they hail as great musicians, yet it was the number 1 video for god knows how long. people are blind, people are stupid and easily manipulated. and i can almost guarendamntee you that most of you manson bashers haven't actually read his lyrics, or listened to a full album or two. all that makes you is ignorant. just for fun, i challenge all of you to put your favourite musicians up for critique. good day to you all!-Alex
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Do any of you people actually know who Alexandro Jodorowsky is? This talkbabck has been all about MM and TP. There's only been about 3 posts from people who sound like they've actually seen a Jodorowsky film. I own El Topo, Fando and Liz, Holy Mountain and Santa Sangre and really think he's amazing, and deserves a lot more recognition. You guys are reading way too much into this whole Marilyn Manson connection, because as far as I can tell, all Jodorowsky said was that he finds MM's choice of imagery interesting. He didn't make any reference to working with the man, and that is VERY, VERY good. That sort of team-up is not healthy.
MM has some good views, but as far as I can tell he's an ego-maniacal, self-indulgent little "rock-star" prick. "OOOHHH, Trent stole the Lost Higway soundtrack from me...he's not my friend anymore." Big mistake Marilyn, Reznor was the only good thing to happen in your shitty little life. Don't get me wrong, I actually think the rest of his band is very talented. They make some pretty good music, but Manson just ruins it all the time, with his crappy voice, and "deep" lyrics. He's about as deep as those little game mats at white spot. He's K-Mart goth. But the fact is that no goth is a good goth whether he/she is "keepin' it real" or not. Jodorowsky deserves better than a no-talent hack like Manson. The difference between Manson and Jodorowsky is that Manson ripped off his predecessors, whereas Jodorowsky borrowed from his and made better product from his influences, rather than marketable crap. -
I get so sick and tired of ignorant talkbacks that I rarely defend those which I see being slagged on. I just can't always let it go. I understand the the vast majority of these talk-backers are morons of very low intelligence. Fuck off. Manson is a genious and his collaboration with Jodorowsky is going to be absolutely brilliant. Wait and see.
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hey man, you're the one using mindless words like "fuck". If you were as intelligent as you percieve yourself, you'd be able to come up with something a little more creative than that. Marylin Manson is a business man. He's not creative. He's not artistic. He IS intelligent at business. Jodorwsky on the other hand, has never sold out, and I guarantee you that he never will. God knows he doesn't have that many years left in him anyway.
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