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Guy Pearce confirmed for role in Ridley Scott's Prometheus!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. Last week word started seeping out (thanks to CHUD) that the great Guy Pearce (who should have been Roland in Ron Howard's Dark Tower series, dammit!) was attached to the Alien prequel Prometheus.
Ridley Scott's return to Alien territory has recently begun production, which is exciting enough and now we have confirmation via The Playlist that Pearce is indeed in the film.
Look at the cast list here. Guy Pearce, Michael Fassbender, Noomi Rapace, Idris Elba, Sean Harris, Kate Dickie, Rafe Spall, Logan Marshall-Green... and Charlize Theron... okay, Charlize kinda kills my point, but what I was going to say is that Scott is populating this universe very much like he did the original Alien, with a team of strong character actors, none of them super A-list stars. There's no Russell Crowe or Johnny Depp here. Theron is as close to a mega star as this movie has... although we all know the most famous thing in the movie is going to be Giger's design work, right?
I know it's dangerous for a fanboy to get excited about a master returning to familiar geek territory some three decades after his first voyage, but I can't help but feel giddy anticipation to see whatever the hell Scott's up to here. You?
-Quint
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Didn't read the article because I want zero spoilers, but that's good casting right there.
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Please, please, please...
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also fuck alien 3!!!!!!!
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May 2, 2011, 4:11 p.m. CST
It doesn't matter - it's Ridley Scott - it'll be interesting no matter what
by Mennen
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May 2, 2011, 4:11 p.m. CST
OMG THIS NEWS IS LITERALLY A COUPLE HOURS OLD!!!
by Raskolnikov_was_framed
seriously how can you guys slack like this...unforgivable...I already read this on another site, having to read the same words again makes me angry and cunty!!! ok...this movie HAS to be good...it just has to...if it sucks it will be one of the worst disappointments of my life
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that Guy Pierce is a damn handsome dude, and he needs to be in more movies.
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SIGH..
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Fassbender, Rapace, and Elba? That's a fantastically strong cast. I hope they're the key characters in the film and that one of them is the last man (or woman) standing by the end.
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May 2, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST
Raskolnikov_was_framed...was that an attempt at reverse sarcasm
by tritium
Because if it was, it failed. This news isn't "just" two hours old...it is days old. There is an entire thread that has been running on AvPGalaxy since April 28th: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=38571.0 And they got it from Deadline, I believe. So, this news is at least four (4) days old. It is hard to tell from your post if your sarcasm is directed at talkbackers who point out how slow AICN is to post breaking industry news (forget about actually having real, bona fide scoops). Or, perhaps your sarcasm was actually directed at AICN...but since you used a time lag of only "a couple of hours", I presume it is the former.
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At last, an Alien movie I can fap to.
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I don't come to this site to find breaking news...I come for the commentary, the reviews and the talkbacks...who gives a flying fuck if they get stories late? and who cares so much that they take the time to whine about it??
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What the hell, live dangerously! Don't sip life, chug it up!
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May 2, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST
Man, I never thought this project would come together so beautifully
by IndustryKiller!
I couldn't possibly be more excited and I hope that it shows us all that Scott is still a master of great movies, not just good ones.
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May 2, 2011, 4:54 p.m. CST
I was under the impression it is indeed SLIGHTLY connected to Alien.
by GINGE_MUPPET
But the net still seems to be filled with people who claim its nothing to do with it ... at all! ....... Is there is concrete truth?
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May 2, 2011, 4:56 p.m. CST
Charlize Theron is a better actress than most give her credit for
by TheSeeker7
I'm not saying she's the second coming of Meryl Streep or anything, and sure she's done her share of clunkers already (no true great in Hollywood hasn't) but she's a quality actress, very good with the right material.
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And it wasn't like she was a major part of the ad campaign. Great actress, but not a megastar by any means.
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i keep hoping bnolan will suprise us an announce piece has been cast as edward nigma
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Shame Nolan never found a place for him in his Batman films or anything else post Memento.
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God knows what the hell this film is (sequel/prequel/side-quel) but it's Ridley Scott in some sort of Alien-ish universe, it's hard not to be excited, even after every disappointment we've had from Alien 3 onwards. The only thing that would get me more excited would have been Cameron writing and directing an Aliens sequel (and ignoring all the subsequent films including 3).
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Yes, he has the weathered look of a Gunslinger and kind of looks like a younger version of Clint Eastwood...
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That is all.
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Alien3 rocked. No idea where all the naysayers came from. Sure, it wasn't as good as Aliens, but what is? I went in wanting to see a bunch of prisoners fight a badass alien with no weapons and that's what I got.
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Just an excellent actor who chooses his roles very carefully based on the quality of the project....I will watch anything he chooses to be in.
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People who think Aliens is the best are just action loving douchebags. Its beyond corny. Hell, half the movie is included in Avatar (most of the props and the "sassy latino military chick")
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I dont think those lips are going to flop out anytime soon...so i dont need to see her in a movie.
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Guarantee it. People will think because she's the most recognizable face, she'll be the sole survivor then THWACK! at the end of the first act her head gets chewed off. It's pretty obvious Noomi Rapace will be the only survivor.
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May 2, 2011, 6:01 p.m. CST
Guy Pearce confirmed as having the most generic name ever GUY! His sister Girl Pearce was not available for comment.
by Orionsangels
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FACT!!
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I dont see why people keep saying this movie has nothing to do with the Alien movies. Once and for all, check this out. http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/02/11/prometheus-alien-michael-fassbender/ For those too lazy to click on the link: There's a lot of deserved excitement over "Prometheus," Ridley Scott's glorious return to the science fiction genre. But there's some confusion as well: what started out as an "Alien" prequel morphed into what Scott has described as an "original story." So, should we take that to mean there's no longer any connection between "Prometheus" and the "Alien" franchise? No, we shouldn't. According to leading man Michael Fassbender, "Prometheus" is absolutely connected to "Alien." "Oh, absolutely. There's a definite connecting vein," Fassbender told MTV News when asked pointblank whether or not "Prometheus" and "Alien" are connected. "You realize you're part of something else, but it's definitely in keeping with the old ones." ......Although it explores other areas of that universe, it appears that "Prometheus" and "Alien" exist in the same space.
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An underrated masterpiece mired by shitty effects work, and a studio that can't keep their hands to themselves. It recaptures the bleak terror of ALIEN without turning down the IQ level of the masses much like the enjoyable ALIENS did.
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Guy is a cool actor. Good luck to the film. But I want more retro sci fi like this http://www.wotr.co.uk/On%20The%20Shoulders%20of%20Giants.html Its even got a Theremin score!!
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May 2, 2011, 6:40 p.m. CST
If you're confused about the movie's relationship to the Alien franchise...
by Gabe Athouse
...read the script it's based on, which is available online, Alien Harvest. It does set up the first movie, but it's not really horror. The tone is somewhere between 2001: A Space Odyssey and Brokeback Mountain. (Yes, you read that right.)
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since I've been burned by every Alien movie since 1992, but it's Ridley Scott, who probably has the best track record out there. I have faith.
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http://www.aintitcool.com/node/49483
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I only come here to be reminded of the stories I read a few days previously. I think it is alzheimers or it might be that film Guy Pearce was in about knick-knacks. Continue...
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May 3, 2011, 6:03 a.m. CST
Funny that some people think Prometheus is based on the fan-written Alien Harvest script
by Karl Hungus
It's not.
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May 3, 2011, 6:25 a.m. CST
Prometheus is, in fact, based on the fan-written "Alien Harvest" script...
by Arafel
...AND EVERYONE ON AICN KNOWS IT!!!!!
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He's a damn good actor. Finally he's in a ridley scott movie, as it should. The casting of this movie is shaping up nicely.
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May 3, 2011, 7:13 a.m. CST
Ladies and Germs, listen up: There's no bashing of Aliens AND Alien3 on my watch, misters. You got that, maggots?
by AsimovLives
How can anybody call himself a movie geek without irony and dismiss any of those two fine movies? Only amateurs would dismiss any of those two movies. And are you movie geks or are you amateurs? This should be no place for amateurs. So shape up, maggots! If you are a true movie geek, you like BOTH Aliens and Alien3. And that's a fact and you better accept it. So, what's it going to be? Are you movie geeks or frigging amateurs?
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... for the people whose preferences are in the action movie genre, they prefered Alien movie is Cameron's ALIENS. It's quite clear that fact. And i suspect if people have preference for suspense type horror or SF on it's more pure form, they go for ALIEN as their favorite, as is my case. And it's sad that self-professed movie geeks still harbor that bullshit idea that Alien3 is a bad movie, and for the silliest of reasions: that it's not Aliens Part 2. Me, i think we should count ourselves lucky that they never made a ALIENS PART 2. I think the whole story of the aliens universe was played out in Cameron's movie. Anotehr one would be just a repetition. You guys might think you wanted to see more, but if it had ever been made, and Cameron would not had not been involved, it would be, at best, a carbon copy without the modo, humour, tone and characterization detail the Cameron movie had. They would only copy the action and probably go for an even bigger sized Queen, because, like, bigger is better, right? It would had been a shallow explosathron and nothign more. You can bet on it. If anything, we got lucky the 3rd movie was so distinct and diferent from Cameron's. You guys should count your lucky stars and stop bitching.
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Even Fincher now admits it's a stinking turd.
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Okay so now we know why you liked Alien 3. You must enjoy seeing a bunch of Brits running around in a circle for 1/2 an hour dropping F bombs. No one in the U.S. uses that term, btw. GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS: ALIEN 3 SUCKS.
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It's Asi, if you please.
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It is a great film (assembly cut far superior etc etc) - I think most fans of the Alien series rank the first three films as one trilogy rather than moaning about which of those is best. After that Alien Resurrection is considered a bit of a silly contuation that doesn't offer much but has some great sets and the AVP films are considered pure crap by everyone. wookie_weed - Fincher NOW admits it's a stinking turd? Erm since when has he ever said otherwise? He's still wrong, though, despite being the director and needs to get his head out his arse and accept that people love the film that gave him such a hard time.
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"Okay so now we know why you liked Alien 3. You must enjoy seeing a bunch of Brits running around in a circle for 1/2 an hour dropping F bombs." And that's the only thing you took from watching ALIEN3? I have to seriously question your observational and interpretational abilities regarding the busines sof movie watching. Your dedication to the movie geekdom cause is found lacking.
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May 3, 2011, 7:57 a.m. CST
One of those bald, brit bastards runnin' around and cursing in Alien3 was Pete Postlethwaite. So show some fucking respect!
by AsimovLives
And not just Pete Postlethwaite, but also the respected and talented actors Charles Dance, Brian Glover, Paul McGann and Danny Webb. And last time i checked, Charles S. Dutton is american, not british.
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The actual film was great IMO. It was such a strange premise and visually stunning. It was the acting, the pace, the music and the lighting and the imperfection that hooked me. It was also an awsome insight to the problems some movies face. Overall it was a very enteraining trainwreck. You have to consider that it was better than most films released that have no studio interference!
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The first 10 minutes alone is so full of plot holes and logic vacations that it really staggers me. While I appreciate the film, and like it quite a bit, it really is nothing but a sad example of "what might have been". It does have a good visual style, and a great tactile feel, but that really can't save it from the plot, and the general feeling that we really shouldn't give a shit. Ripley, Hicks and Newt deserved better, as did the fans.
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May 3, 2011, 8:17 a.m. CST
What plot holes in the first 10 minutes, Nightarrows?
by theyreflockingthisway
Are you talking about the egg being on the ship? Let's face it, the bloody huge queen alien managed to sneak on board the Sulaco at the end of Aliens so it's perfectly plausable, giving this is a fictional species, that an egg can get laid on there too. As for Newt and Hicks dying - it was necessary. Ripley had to be a sole survivor - she's not going to be as vulnerable as a woman living on a planet full of male criminals if she's walking around with a tough space marine everywhere. Newt, obviously, would have to have been replaced with a different actress since she would have been around 15 or 16 by the time the movie was being filmed. I'd rather Newt was killed off than being replaced by another girl who would not only look different but also act different. Besides it would have just made it Aliens again, except with fewer aliens.
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And what better would that be? A dumb ass copy version of Aliens made by some action movie hack which would disgrace the memory of ripley, Newt and Hicks even more? I rather have ALIEN3, thank you very much, plot holes and everything. And if plot holes bothers you so much, did you perchance liked Abrams Trek? Because that movie redefined the concept of plot holes in movies, and turned them into frigging black holes.
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May 3, 2011, 8:23 a.m. CST
Just for Elliot Goldenthal's score alone, ALIEN3 deserved to have been made as it is.
by AsimovLives
As for Fincher's attitude toward the movie, his reaction is more against the whole problems he had while making it then the movie itself. He doesn't consider it his film because of all the problems and interference she had when he made it. But who didn't realised, when they first watched ALIEN3, that this Fincher guy was someone to watch for?
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According to my friend who is working on it (she's in production). She said the design work on it is amazing, but was more interested in telling me anecdotes about what an arsehole Ridley Scott is to work with and how his nickname on set is Didley Squat (as he's short and a bit of a prick.)
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No matter how this movie actually turns out in the end...the material will still be extremely interesting to say the least. I mean Scott's style has changed so drastically over the year(and not always for the better) so we shall see.
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Alien 3 has many really strong values, the sets, the score, the cinematography and the atmosphere are all top notch. I would even go so far as to say it's perhaps the best of the bunch in that regard. All that said, the script was a fucking nonsensical pile of shit that was spunked out of the fax machine on a daily basis. The film has no real theme or ideas, it's just a bunch of forgettable, identi-kit prisoners getting eaten by the alien. And where the fuck did those eggs come from on the Sulaco??? Alien and Aliens are by far the superior films, and IMHO Aliens is the best. But I wouldn't disagree with anyone who ranked them the other way around, they're both nigh-on perfect movies, which is why all the subsequent shit has been so disappointing.
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The egg is plot hole number one. Try and suspend your disbelief all you like, it just doesn't make sense. Not the Queen bringing it on-board (or should you care to stretch things further, taking the time to lay one), and certainly not taking the time to plant it in some bulkhead. Furthermore the idea that a face hugger can infect TWO people is fucking silly. Yeah, yeah, it was a "super face hugger" so it could just prance around laying eggs in people's throats all the live long day. I don't care what you call it, I found it to be a logic gap. One face hugger = one implantation and then death, that's been an established rule across two films. And asimovlives, if you love Alien3, great, grand, wonderful. I stated that I liked it for the most part, and felt that it could have been much more. Don't get your fucking panties in such a knot, jesus christ...
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Mark my words; this lady is surely a big name in Europe already thanks to the Dragon Tatoo movies, and between this and Sherlock Holmes 2, she's gonna hit it big in Hollywood as well. She's also, image-wise, the complete opposite of Lisbeth Salander: http://www4.images.coolspotters.com/photos/433458/noomi-rapace-and-14th-annual-hollywood-awards-gallery.jpg
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Your post below really made me laugh when you sounded so secure and definite on your opinion about the movie, then you ended it with, "I DON'T KNOW" lol Like most band-wagoners seem to these days. The pacing is ALL out-of-wack... the momentum of the film just grinds to a halt with scenes like Junior, Boggs, Raines, and Dillon at the lunch table blabbing on and on for 7 minutes about how bad Golic stinks, before Ripley walks in. I also prefer the revised Alien birthing scene with the dog, as opposed to the original OX. The whole Alien captured/ Golic going nuts was interesting (as it was part of the graphic novel...) but it doesn't really work in the film. I really don't get the love for the assembly cut. Seems like a "trendy" thing to say these days for the people that used to talk shit about the flick, who now admit that it's "pretty good". (but only with the assembly cut) I don't know...
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Of course i'm reasonable about movies. That's why i rant agaisnt JJTrek, as you put it.
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The last two have had Guy Pearce in them (and Animal Kingdom should've been nominated)
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In an early script it was mentioned, but never filmed, that the eggs had 'legs'. Indeed, the little alien legs would sprout and run to the nearest shadowy corner and wait for a face to come along. Yes, trust me.
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The movie does have oideas and themes. In fact, the movie is chokeful of them. It might be the presentation of them, due to the constant rewrites of the script, of which was based on many previous drafts, which you might have a problem with, which i can understand. but the way i see it, i think that, despiste all the trouble with the scripts, the movie does ended up more coherent then it would be expected. Far more coherent then many movies that didn't suffer from such a troubled production.
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From “Daisy Diamond” http://fullbushesmainstream.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/vlcsnap-155076.png http://fullbushesmainstream.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/vlcsnap-155683.png At least she's giving it a trim..
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Guy would have been a better Eddie a few years ago sadly.
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Charles S. Dutton ROCKED in that film. The funeral speech he gave at Newt and Hicks' cremation gave me chills. One thing I hated about the novelization was that Dillon went out like a crybaby pansy; after the Alien is under the molten lead, he tries to fulfill his promise to Ripley, but sobs that he can't bring himself to do it. The Alien then jumps up and drags him down to the lead. In the movie, of course, he goes out in a badass blaze of glory, keeping the Alien contained so Ripley and Morse can pour the lead.
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May 3, 2011, 9:07 a.m. CST
I think all 3 are great... but Alien is an absolute masterpiece...
by SK229
aside from a few dodgy (to use Scott's word) effects, the film is flawless. Aliens, to me, definitely feels more like a straight-up 'they don't make em like they used to' slice of Hollywood perfection... where, against all odds, the originality of the director's vision and ability to make a lot out of very little (comparatively speaking, what he got onscreen for that amount of money is insane), created a NEAR masterpiece. I say that because I can feel the limitations sometimes... of Cameron's writing, of the actors, and of the production and his vision struggling against its budget. I don't think it had anywhere near the quality of lighting that Alien had, which is absolutely stunning to look at. However, it's still one of the best action films ever made, probably in the top 3 or 4, for me. I don't know... I have a soft spot for Die Hard, an action movie which I think DOES achieve perfection, especially in the writing. Alien 3 is like a gigantic missed opportunity. I feel that all the ingredients were there for it to be a kind of mash-up of the best elements of Alien and Aliens, plus a very bleak point-of-view, which makes sense at that point... to not be bleak would risk looking ridiculous, because, to paraphrase Mr. McClain, 'How can the same shit happen to the same girl three times?' But the script was a fucking nearly incomprehensible mess. That, by far, is the biggest issue with that movie. I also really don't like the blue screened alien puppets and the compositing. I'm also not a huge fan of switching to the alien's pov ala Predator. I think it worked in that movie, but in the alien universe, I just didn't feel that it worked. I'm sure Fincher felt extra kinship with Kubrick at that point, having done his Spartacus and, like Kubrick, continues to disown the experience to this very day.
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May 3, 2011, 9:09 a.m. CST
"I stated that I liked it (Alien3) for the most part, and felt that it could have been much more."
by AsimovLives
Fair enough.
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And somehow put her in Prometheus to bridge the two sets of films? And another thing, isn't Prometheus supposed to be 2 films? Or is it just one now?
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May 3, 2011, 9:10 a.m. CST
"Don't get your fucking panties in such a knot, jesus christ" That's such a harsh thing to say to Mr Christ!
by AsimovLives
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Some peopel start saying good things about ALIEN3 ebcause they stoped being teenagers and beame adults and rewatched the movie in thie r adult years and realisd that the movie is far ebtter then they remembered because back then they were all expecting ALIENS PART 2 and didn't got it and made a tantrum, without even bothering to notice the strenghs the move had. Age and maturity do that to you.
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May 3, 2011, 9:14 a.m. CST
I heard the swedish love the bush. It's known in Europe that the northen european women are very reluctant to shave.
by AsimovLives
Shaved euro beauties? You find them in the south of europe.
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... to something Ridley Scott once said about PROMETHEUS in that he wanted to have a movie set in the Alien universe where it explored, among other things, the love relationship between two women. Charlize Theron and Noomi Rapace star in this movie. You do the maths.
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May 3, 2011, 9:23 a.m. CST
Alien 3 wasn't bad. It just wasn't what a lot of people wanted it to be.
by jawsfan
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May 3, 2011, 9:24 a.m. CST
Idris Elba is in "Prometheus"? Fuckin' STRINGER BELL!!! Call for a re-up!
by jawsfan
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French women were renowned non shavers. I know, I was in one. They are also very hot. Besides, totally shaven pussy is a bit strange IMO. It's not a sign of 'maturity'. Besides, if there's grass on the pitch, lets play. ;-) Oh how I love to generalise! And lets not foget, America was run by a bush for eight years, so don't complain! Not all bushs are a good thing!
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May 3, 2011, 9:31 a.m. CST
the void with a glad heart. For within each seed, there is a promise of a flower, and within each death, no matter how small, there's always a new life. A new beginning. Amen."
by darthderp
Fucking character limits....
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I haven't seen the movie yet but I think I'll give it a go now.. Lewis would have been perfect although I doubt he would have ever commited to something for so long. Also Roland should have the Horn from the start of the movie that way Howard can change whatever he want's. As for Alien 3 I've alway's thought was a bloody good movie, it has it's fault's which for some are unforgivable, like killing of Newt and Hicks. In fact I can happily watch and enjoy nearly everything Alien related, even 4 and AvP. Watching AvPR on the other hand is like wrestling with shit.
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May 3, 2011, 9:42 a.m. CST
One more Dillon quote for the road, then I'll shut up...yeah, right....
by darthderp
You're all gonna die. The only question is how you check out. Do you want it on your feet? Or on your fuckin' knees... begging? I ain't much for begging! Nobody ever gave me nothing! So I say *fuck* that thing! Let's fight it!
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I wonder if that touching quote deserved two 'subject' fields?? If I were you, I would kill myself in shame. Like a samurai would if he done what you done. Word?
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Danka schoen, sir.
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I tried to do it in one subject field, but it wasn't until after I thought I posted it that I realized I ran into the type limit. Hence, the awkward break.
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We should have a word with the chubby ginger rehab geek about making the subject feild infinite. That way the comment box would be useless. This site has gone down hill! They hate us!! We read movie news from other sites days before, and we have to wait to talk about them when it hits AICN dammit!
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I remember going to the cinema to see Alien 3, my friend and I were so excited.... Then, as the curtains opened, an advert played showing some teenager running down an alley, being chased, then this fucking Alien appears and takes a can of Pepsi from a machine and drinks it. That set the tone! Still loved the film though.
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Great score.
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May 3, 2011, 9:55 a.m. CST
I'm okay with the delay in news; it's the talkback malfunctions that are PISSING ME RIGHT OFF!!
by darthderp
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Oh yeah viggeo, I called you a redneck and I shelled out hate on the mortal kombat webishite thingy. How the hell are you brother?? I see your doing your thing on AICN as usual, keep up the good work!
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your absolutely right! Alien 3 is pure atmosphere and tension. I really like that movie.
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I would take them to the super market (MALL) and walk away! Go play with the traffic children!
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Fincher say it's crap, so what? Love it anyways. And I'm looking forward to Prometheus.
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May 3, 2011, 10:12 a.m. CST
Alien 3 wasn't horrible, it just pissed away the entire Cameron universe.
by impossibledreamers
I'm sure the folks at Dark Horse comics loved finding out that all their comics and graphic novels that followed a grown-up Newt were totally non-canon after that. 'Gee, thanks guys!'
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May 3, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST
Calling ALIEN 3 "Great" is like having a Cheeseburger from McDonald's...
by Astronut
... the day after having a steak at Ruth's Chris Steak House. It's like having sex with Betty White after getting it on in a threesome with Katy Perry and her hot girlfriend. Seriously. Alien 3 stinks every which way till Sunday. And then some.
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... that's after seeing the first ALIEN (a perfect steak) and then Cameron's ALIENS (a really good steak). ALIEN 3 is the cheeseburger.
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The film does have a very similar tone to the original, which is why I think so many people look down on it; they think Fincher (who was an unknown at the time - big strike against him) was doing a copycat job on Ridley Scott. Is the film perfect? No; the egg on the Sulaco is an understandable quibble. But still, I hold it in high regard, flaws and all, and can look past such quibbles to admire the finished product. What works? The cast, the music, the dialogue, the different type of alien, do I need to go on?
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Was classic, complete with Lance screaming "NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO" as the camera pulls upward away from his face in true holywood fashion. Although I usually hate that shit. Can't stand this somersault thing while shooting guns and looking away from the target.
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Alien, for me, is having a big juicy steak, cooked medium well, with sauteed mushrooms and onions on it. Aliens is having a lobster, direct from Maine, lightly drizzled with a butter sauce. Alien 3 is chicken quesadillas with a Corona on my honeymoon in Mexico, oh so many years ago. Alien 4 is the cheeseburger...cooked on my backyard grill on Memorial Day...screw McDonalds. In otherwords, I like 'em all. Now, pardon me while I wipe the drool from my keyboard....
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May 3, 2011, 10:29 a.m. CST
Hmm...sounds like viggeo and valenni are getting ready to re-educate some of the brothers...
by darthderp
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Just gotta tell it like it is! Cheers.
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It was clearly Fincher trying to kill people in interesting ways in an environment that would look cool in a Madonna video. The Alien lacked motivation. It killed for no reason (wasn't threatened, wasn't hungry, and most importantly it was stupidly killing off all the potential hosts once it realized Ripley had a queen bun in the oven). The Alien didn't even bother to cocoon Ripley up safely away from any molten lead vats she might fall into. I know it's just a movie and you should just accept certain things, but everybody shaves their heads because the planet is covered with lice? What about the dog? Stupid idea to get a cheap 1984 vibe. Electrical fire takes out a military ship and the escape pod seeks out and crashes on the nearest planet killing everybody but Ripley. What, no halon in the future? Stupid excuse to eliminate all the characters from the first movie. A planet of ex-convict monks? Somebody would actually pay to bring these guys supplies? Stupid. Ripley gets scanned and the Company is there in under 24 hours? Stupidly ignoring one of the unique aspects of the series, realisting time with space travel. It just goes on and on. Nevermind that there isn't a single memorable line in the movie or scene for that matter. It was as frustrating to watch as Indy 4, you're just waiting for something good to happen since everybody involved at least seems like they're trying to make a good movie.
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May 3, 2011, 10:38 a.m. CST
As for AvP...the original Dark Horse series beats the shit out of that one...
by darthderp
...although, visually, it has its moments. Best part, purely from a visual standpoint, was when the Queen was closing in on Lex; the closeup is on the Queen reaching, and then from out of the right frame, the Predator somersaults into the foreground and catches the Queen in the neck with his spear. To continue the food analogy, AvP is a bag of Doritos (cool ranch for me), but I liked the way that scene was set up.
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Is really a terrible lazy line. "Yeah, well fuck you too" from the Thing is a funnier and more effective line since the audience understands the Thing is pissed off and doesn't need to be told by narrative. Show, don't tell.
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Well it wasn't a dog in the original shoot - it was an ox as seen in the assembly cut and the ox was crawling with lice when it keeled over. The dog scenes were shot after initial filming was complete because of studio interference, hence why the dog isn't covered in lice (since they obviously didn't think of that). If the dog not having lice bothers you then there's always the assembly cut for you, which does not have the dog in it at all.
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Okay, the movie isn't perfect; I will admit that. But if you really claim that the Alien wasn't threatened, then you weren't paying attention. The whole point is of the inmates' attempts to kill the thing. Yes, it was a bit agressive, but it did come from dog, a Rottweiler, no less; perhaps it took some of the characteristics along with it's dog-like look. As for the Alien not trying to cocoon Ripley, again, a different type of Alien; maybe it wasn't able to. No halon...a malfunction, perhaps? Yes, I'm speculating, but sounds reasonable to me; maybe the fire damages electrical systems and the only recourse was ejection. As for no single memorable line...you base your enjoyment of a film on that?? No memorable scene...uh, the Alien right up in Ripley's face, from the trailer? That got my attention real damn quick when I first heard of the movie! Thanks for indulging me. I'll get off the soapbox now.
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May 3, 2011, 10:55 a.m. CST
"Well, not much to say, is there? Death was instantaneous." "No shit."
by darthderp
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May 3, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST
"Alien 3 wasn't bad. It just wasn't what a lot of people wanted it to be." There's so much truth to that coment on so many levels.
by AsimovLives
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...so let's stop that debate shall we? Also...Fassbender IS the Space Jockey... Space Jockey is NOT another species, but HUMAN!! Themes of Multi-Dimensional travel explored...Fassbender is from a parallel universe, is part cyborg, considerably taller than our human form. Enough from the rumour mill for now ;)....
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What do they eat when Monk or Ox hair isn't available? It just doesn't make any sense. A real head scratcher.... get it, get it!! Fincher or whoever just wanted an excuse to shave everybody's heads. I know it's minor, but when I movie is boring the audience has nothing to do but wonder about stupid stuff like this between scenes of random running around convicts who you can't remember their names getting knocked off. Maybe it's just me, but if that's the movie you're going to make, I'd prefer it if you just stick the Alien at a Summer Camp and have hot co-eds making out between the kills instead of filthy British dudes.
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If i understand this correctly, the french girls of the north don't like to shave. The french girls of the south do, however. If i had to guess at an explanation, it has to be for the fact that the south of France is a reknowned beach area, and the french girls on the south must have mor of an habit of shaving so they can look good on the bikinis. There are no good beaches in the north of France for vacation type beach, if you know what i mean.
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...it was a two-fingered salute to the fanboys. I applaud Vincent Ward for sowing the seeds of a truly exciting theme... I vomit over the Execs that pulled the rug from under his feet... I thank Fincher for trying his best :) Please David...embrace your child, and give it the definitive edit it deserves :)
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For all those who complaina bout ALIEN3 script, that's that pearl of dialogue to shut them up. For a script with so many rewrites and so many problems, it's suprising on how many things it got right and got it good.
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May 3, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST
"Danka schoen"? Thank you very much in german? Are there germans in here? I'm portuguese. Hello, fellow euros.
by AsimovLives
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Even if you win, you still look and feel retard for doing it. The wrestling with a hcair thing came from when i watched that movie GUMMO. There's a scene of a guy wrestling with a chair (and he almost loses), and it looks as retard as you think it would.
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May 3, 2011, 11:05 a.m. CST
The only problem with the trailer was the tagline, "The Bitch is Back!"
by darthderp
Clearly drawing from Ripley's line in Aliens, no doubt. Problem was, there was no "Bitch." The main Alien wasn't a Queen, and the line can't apply to Ripley herself....
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You have an ally in me for defending ALIEN3. I'm defending that movie sinc eit came out. Strangely, the hatred against it seems to come mostly from USA and UK. Go figure. As for ALIEN RESSURECTION, well, i can't help you much on it. i don't hate it, i enjoyed parts of it, but others....
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If i remember ALIEN3 correctly, the alien that was running around the prision was just a warrior. The Alien Queen was inside Ripley. That's why the Alien didn't killed her, it knew it's Queen was inside her, so killing Ripley would be killing the Queen as well. So, the only creature that could cocoon Ripley was inside her, still in it's larvae state. Thus, no deal.
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May 3, 2011, 11:12 a.m. CST
Okay, viggeo, I'll give you that one...from a certain point of view...LOL
by darthderp
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I knew why the warrior wasn't killing Ripley, but didn't know for sure about it's cocooning capabilities. Also, if you remember, when Dillon is dragging Ripley back from the Alien, that's when it pursues; it thinks Dillon is trying to harm Ripley and needs to protect the queen.
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May 3, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST
How misguided do you have to be to "love" freaking ALIEN 3? Seriously.
by Astronut
I can understand enjoying it for what it is but come ON. Horribly boring pace. No real ingenuity. No characters to empathize with, mostly a bunch of unlikable prison wankers. The whole thing is just recycled poop with no magnetic identity. It just floats there. No attraction for me whatsoever. Believe me, I have tried to "love" it, I've watched it several times but my god what a loss that film is.
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OH YEAH! The horrible cartoony CG that takes people right out of the movie... I almost forgot. ALIEN 3. Heh. My 16 year-old son, who has really good taste in movies btw (loves Jaws, laughed at Transformers 3 for example), even knew how sub-standard that film was immediately after watching it.
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...that is still possible is a return to LV426. The derelict ship is STILL there. Hadley's Hope was destroyed. Dallas described the pilot jockey as being fossilized, so its likely there may be eggs or something else in an unexplored part of the ship..... another Ripley film would be following her clone, and by now she would have cool silver grey teeth and probably on the run...and pregnant, as she appeared to have sex with an alien when she was in the pit. prequel, whether direct or indirect should have NO humans whatsoever. That's what made the alien so strange..and ....alien. an opinion. i still want to see Rids film. get your final draft open all!!
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You managed to name the characters from what most people with any taste in sci-fi film regard as a fairly shitty movie! Congratulations!
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May 3, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST
The reason why ALIEN3 is (finally) getting a much bigger approval and appreciation for the fine movie that it is...
by AsimovLives
... is because people are now watching it without the hype and backlash that existed back then. And in what was the backlash based upon back then when the movie came out and it's subsequent years? It was based on the notion that the movie was not ALIENS PART 2. Nobody was talking about the movie's own merits. All complains was "it's not ALIENS PART 2, i want ALIENS PART 2, how dare they not give me that" and variations of that. It's now 20 years after that. and finally, people are seeing it for the damn good movie that it is, by it's own merits. The truth of the matter is, not even ALIEN RSSURECTION, which is an inferior movie, deserves the backlash and the bitching that ALIEN3 gets. and speaking of ALIEN RESSURECTION, you know what's that movie big problem, the one that undermines it? It's because they wanted to make it into an ALIENS PART 2. That's what happens when you try to make a ALIENS PART 2, you fuck it up. It's inevitable. The thing is, ALIEN RESSURECTION is one of the rest results that could be made by making an ALIENS PART 2. That ALIEN RESSURECTION ended up like that, meaning, partially a nice endurable movie, is due to the talentinvolved. Had an ALIENS PART 2 movie be given to the usual hack boys that the studios so much love to employ, the fucking movie would had been a cathastrophe of Micheal Bay proportions. And only fucking braindead illiterate dumbass stupid retards would like a michael bay alien movie.
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May 3, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST
Not when it's up against Ridley's face.... that looks great because it's real... I'm referring to the part leading to that where the alien scurries up toward her...
by Astronut
... it is CG RENDERED AND LOOKS 100% FAKE.
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It is! Sadly, the other 113 minutes and 30 seconds of the movie blows. lol
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May 3, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST
Dude, it's okay. You can think whatever you want, we all have our D-list favorites...
by Astronut
... but that still doesn't change the fact that ALIEN 3 is utter crap.
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(and I'm being sarcastic when I state that) is, some people have no ability to maintain a civil tone when something they like is attacked. I never attacked you as a person, I just attacked the movie and the bad taste I think you have. It's not like I called your mother a spooj gurgler. Jesus.
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... but not in your case apparently.
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I said I thought the CG in the sequence looked fake. You assumed I said the entire sequence looked fake, which is not what I stated.
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May 3, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST
I can see how you misinterpereted what I typed... but to clarify:
by Astronut
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May 3, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST
I can see how you misinterpereted what I typed... but to clarify:
by Astronut
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To clarify, my opinion: • The CG in the sequence where the alien crawls toward Ripley looks phony • ALIEN 3 (almost all 114 minutes of it) sucks
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Thank you. It's easy to like Jaws and hate Transformers 1, 2, and 3. Not to knock your son's tastes, but a lot of people feel the same. The key to being a movie fan - or a movie nut, if you will, is to look past what most people might see as dreck, or at least something less than desirable, and to find the little gold nuggets, those diamond chips that make the film worth something to you. Personal taste has a role in this as well...I can be entertained by some things that might surprise you For example; I, too, love Star Wars, Alien, Jaws, Raiders, LOTR, etc. I also like; the Mariachi trilogy, The Decent, Critters, Deep Impact, the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and The Girl With the Dragon Tatoo. I also enjoy - and own - The Last Unicorn, The Secret of NIMH, The Dark Crystal, and The Black Stallion. My tastes vary. What can I say? So, while I may disagree with someone's opinion, you will never see me slamming someone because of it. Good rule to go by, everyone.
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May 3, 2011, 12:17 p.m. CST
Show me one film with a rating of 39% approval or lower that is actually deemed a decent film...
by Astronut
That's what RT has it at. Yeah. ALIEN 3 can lick my left nut sac.
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May 3, 2011, 12:17 p.m. CST
ANd you can "love" it all you want, it won't change reality.
by Astronut
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May 3, 2011, 12:19 p.m. CST
My whole point, by the way, was just to explain why I like what I like. Not trying to slam anyone...
by darthderp
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The rest is mostly rotoscoping if I remember correctly.
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...I still maintain that one minor factor does not ruin a great "oh, SHIT" moment for me.
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May 3, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST
Ok in reply to Lowdevil regarding "Prometheus is NOT an Alien prequel for christ sakes!". Erm...Space Jockey...hmmm, oh maybe they're talking about Disk Jockey maybe? Maybe this film is about a Horse racing jockey? Lester Piggot perhaps? You fucking mong.
by warneford87
Ok in reply to Lowdevil regarding "Prometheus is NOT an Alien prequel for christ sakes!". Erm...Space Jockey...hmmm, oh maybe they're talking about Disk Jockey maybe? Maybe this film is about a Horse racing jockey? Lester Piggot perhaps? You fucking mong. Of course it's a prequel. Knob end.
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May 3, 2011, 12:26 p.m. CST
"we all have our D-list favorites" Okay, I'm curious, astronut; care to share?
by darthderp
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May 3, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST
And as long as I'm talking about personal tastes, YES, I liked Star Trek.
by darthderp
*boldly turns to asimov and waits for the inevitable...*
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... because they actually entertain me in a multitude of ways: The Hidden The Black Hole The Hitcher Battle Beyond the Stars All sub-standard in certain aspects yet I like them. I don't profess them to be "the greatest thing ever!"
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That sequence is not GCI, it's superimposed animation. The only CGI used for the alien in ALIEN3 (and it only lasts 3 seconds or less) is a shot of the creature climbung up a rally heading toward Ripley in the climax. All the rest was done the old fashion way, superimposed marionette animation. The movie that had a lot of CGI aliens walking about was ALIEN RESSURECTION.
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If you think ALIEN3 has no merit in terms of photography and frame composition, i have to question your capacity to undestand and appreciate movies. What you prefer, the kind of shaky-cam nonsense that Micahel Bay and JJ Abrams do this days? That's good cinematography for you?
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May 3, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST
Okay, Asimov, the scurrying alien is animated. I stand corrected.
by Astronut
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Lighten up
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A mixed bag, even more so than part 3. Sigorney Weaver know her part inside and out, for sure, but I wasn't dazzled by Winona Ryder. Also, Brad Dourif's character wasn't a highlight; I've seen him in better. The newborn alien...ehh. Less said, the better. Giger must have been like, "Vot da fook?!?" And I will never believe a Queen can be dispatched that easily. On the other hand, Michael Wincott, Leland Orser, Ron Perlman; always great to watch. Dan Hedaya's character in particular had a wicked exit.
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May 3, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST
And ALIEN3 sucks because of one shaky CGI shot? that's it? What kind of foundation is that?
by AsimovLives
What kind of foundation for an opinion that a movie is bad because there is one perceived bad CGi shot in it? Isn't that a bit too little to make such a grand statment about a movie? If i had to dislike a movie because on some scene the SFx was shacky, then i wouldn't like most good movies that exists, including SW movies. As for the boring coment, i lost count of the many good movies that were trashed by less then educated people who just use the boring excuse for movies they are ill equiped to follow through. The boring excuse is such a hollow excuse it no longer merits respect. You know what was to be the most boring movies i have seen in recent years? Both of Bay's Trasnformers movies. Those two were brain-numbing boring beyond belief, depiste or because of all the action bullshit in it. There's more to be a movie geek or a movie nut or whatever one want to call us then just to follow the trends of the times. If anything, to be a true movie fan, sometimes you have to go agaisnt the tends. Not because being pro or agaisnt trends make you cooler, but because it's the right thing to do. Because too often bad movies became popular while good movies are bashed and forgotten. It's our duty as movie geeks to set this things straight.
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Another underappreciated gem. No, not the "greatest thing ever," but still....
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... Asimov, I * DO * appreciate a great film score. And great frame composition. I * DO * value, and even drool over, great cinematography. ALIEN 3 has those areas checked off just fine. But it takes more than a few elements to make a great filmgoing experience. And for me, the negatives in the movie far outweigh the positives... especially when it follows in the footsteps of one of the most amazingly well-crafted sci-fi works ever put to film: Ridley's original. And even Cameron's sequel, which is also great even if it is a bit overrated as I see it with adult eyes. ALIEN 3 could have been great as well but it pales in comparison to the two films that came before it. Sorry but that's how I see it. Are we all calmed down now?
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If you've seen Metallica's "One" video, you're familiar with it, but you've got to see the whole movie to get the full impact. The ending is quite haunting....
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Still, if I'm gonna talk it, I better walk it.
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And a mockery of filmmaking. I posted how much I hated that movie on my blog ten minutes after I got home from the theater. You know almost nothing about me yet you label me as someone who lacks the ability to value different aspects of film. n the other hand, I don't need to know anything about someone to know that when they say "ALIEN 3 is GREAT!" that they obviously do not know wtf they are talking about with regard to what makes a film "great".
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Didn't say that. There are many reasons why I dislike the film. I didn't feel the need to waste another ten minutes listing them.
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Not a masterpiec,e and too goofy at times, but dammit it if the movie doesn't impress the hell out of me soemtimes. Disney did that? Since when Disney ever had a pair? Oh yeah, back in that short period of time when they also made DRAGONSLAYER and TRON. Good times.
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Well, you did called ALIEN great, so there's that ground we have in common. Peace.
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How cna you prasie ALIEN RESSURECTION's good things and not name Dominique Pinon?
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May 3, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST
There are, however, some movies that are truly worthless...and I don't mean Transformers
by darthderp
Troma films - the ones that are bad on purpose - hold no interest for me. And I have NO USE for Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. As broad tastes as I have, even I will admit that there are movies that are nothing but drizzling shit.
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May 3, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST
Is LIFEFORCE a D-List movie as well? Because i fucking love that movie! God, how i love LIFEFORCE! There's no other like it.
by AsimovLives
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Disney had some serious BALLS in the early 1980's....
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"Our thoughs and philosophies on film, art, and "opinions" are eerily similar" Yeah indeed. Too bad you have sympathy for the Abrams Trek attrocity. We couldn't agree with everything, could we?
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May 3, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST
"Still, if I'm gonna talk it, I better walk it." Right on! That's the attitude.
by AsimovLives
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...although he and Johner have a great bit when the Betty's going through re-entry.... "What's burning??" "Us!" "Shit! You're right!"
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I didn't labeleed you, i just asked you. Becasue for me there's no polar oposite of what a ALIEN3 movie would be like then Bay's Transformers movies. This two movies are like in the opposite ends of the same line of blockbuster filmmaking. In ALIEN3 i see everything i like in a movie: honesty in inentions from the filmamkers, good production values that enhance the story instead of disguising it, artistic quality in it's pictoral and sound elements, great score, and a suprsingly good and coherent script from something which had yet not been finished while it was still beign shot. I can only guess the great efforts that went into making the mvoie right until it got released in the theaters, abut i say, it was not in vain. Too bad the movie didn't got the appreciation it deserved. But if that means that in consequence Fincher got the carrer he had afterwards, then i guess this is one of those ocasions where a bad thing lead to great things to come.
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May 3, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST
"There are many reasons why I dislike the film. I didn't feel the need to waste another ten minutes listing them." Amateur. I have spent 2 years detailing why Abrams Trek sucks. That's true movie geekism right there.
by AsimovLives
When you are inthe right, you never tired and you never run out of arguments. I know. I embody that right here.
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May 3, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST
Aaannnnd once again, the talkback spirals far and away from it's original topic...LOL
by darthderp
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May 3, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST
viggeo_morgenstein, it was the also great John Barry who composed The Black Hole score.
by AsimovLives
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Guess I got off easy....
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To quote Han Solo: I know.
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As you migth have realised with my constant coments and posts about Abrams Trek, the throwing of the towel is not one of my attributes.
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May 3, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST
"And I have NO USE for Attack of the Killer Tomatoes." Not even to watch George Clooney in it?
by AsimovLives
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May 3, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST
ALIEN 3 and Transformers 2: "Opposite ends of the same line of blockbuster filmmaking..."
by Astronut
AGREED!
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May 3, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST
Speaking of movie scores (another favorite area of mine) I recommend Dark Crystal by Trever Jones
by darthderp
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I love quoting Han Solo too. My favorite is "Boring conversation, anyway".
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May 3, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST
The original topic of this talkback? Guy Pierce is a terrific actor. What fool would disagree with that?
by AsimovLives
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And no, I didn't see it. I just know movies.
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May 3, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST
FYI Goldsmith was not the composer on Disney's The Black Hole
by Astronut
John Barry was. Excellent, EXCELLENT score though. Hauntingly beautiful.
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Read more carefully.
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May 3, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST
our viggeo_morgenstein compadre mentioned Jerry Goldsmith above, and i have to call attetion to one of his most overlooked score: THE SAND PEBBLES.
by AsimovLives
That movie score is just amazing! Pure brillance! A great score of a great movie. I saw the movie for the first time only last summer and i wanted to kick myself for not having known this movie before. And the score, specially the opening credits theme, blew my mind. Hell, the movie blew my mind. One of the most mature and intelligent Holywood movie EVER made in the whole history of american cinema.
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Oh, so sorry for that mistake, then. And it's Asi, if you please.
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May 3, 2011, 1:39 p.m. CST
"No, Clooney was in Killer Tomatoes 2" That's even worst... and funnier.
by AsimovLives
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... a great film score, great frame composition, and great cinematography. Said nothing about the other stuff you are quoting. You're skimming through these posts. I do that as well sometimes. No biggie.
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May 3, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST
I used to like James Horner... until the early 90s, when i realised how repetitive he is.
by AsimovLives
But i used to think his repeative, recycled, copy and paste style of composing was just something he degenerated unto since the early 90s. But i was proved otherwise when last month i saw WOLFEN for the first time. Suffice to say, 90% of the ALIENS score is Horner reusing the stuff he did for WOLFEN. What a wake up call! It so pissed me off. I used to think and still do, that his work for ALIENS is great. But knowing that it's in fact a reuse of another movie's score did ruined it a bit for me. I can understand the occasional reuse of a theme or a music phrase, but almsot a whole score? Fuck's sakes! And in my opinion, Horner's best work was in GLORY. Id Horner had died in the early 90s, he would be remembere dnow as one of the best composers who had worked for movies in the last 30 years. As such, he's now a derivative, repetitious, self-plagiarist jack boy. Whenever i learn that Horner is making the score for a movie i want to watch, it makes me want to cry.
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May 3, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST
The Black Hole score is badass. The opening and ending theme (which are the same) is just brillant!
by AsimovLives
It'as so good, when i rewatched the movie last year, i played the opening theme credits sequence 3 times before i continued with the movie. I guess the filmmakers also realised what a good theme they had, because they found every excuse to reuse it in the movie before the end.
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HE did BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS also, and guess what? He recycled a lot of it for STAR TREK 2: TWOK hahaw (still like it though)
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Time to break out the soapbox again... Who else can turn a religious choir into the stuff of nightmares (Ave Satani from THE OMEN), turn out one of the quintessential sci-fi themes of all time (STAR TREK TMP and TNG), elevate an action movie franchise to something better than it has any right to be (RAMBO 1, 2, and 3) and have time to produce an absolutely beautiful score for a fantastic animated film (SECRET OF NIMH)?
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It's over. I hate ALIEN 3 and you think it's a masterpiece. Get on with your life.
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I only saw BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS once and that was like 20 years ago. I can't recall the score, but i take your word for it. I wonder how many times Horner reused the score of KRULL in future movies.
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May 3, 2011, 2:03 p.m. CST
That does it: if Braindead hates ALIEN3, then it's a good movie. The litmus test is done.
by AsimovLives
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While he does tend to recycle his own stuff, he's got some good ones out there: Star Trek 2 and 3 Aliens Willow Glory (the beach scene, right before the final charge kills me every time....) Braveheart Titanic (screw it, I love those pipes)
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Every time I watch it, I am in awe. See? I'm not as clueless as you imagine.
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....you know the one. That giant meteor barreling down the corridor as our heroes stumble on the walkway. I love me some action set pieces, and that's a gold star one right there.
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Only Goldsmith, perhaps, can stand on his own. Everyone else, from Horner to Silvestri, Elfman to Zimmer would be nowhere if Williams hadn't re-introduced the leitmotif concept and made it such an integral part of film scoring.
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IMO. ALIEN 3. As follows: The cast — although there are some exceptions, some decent moments to be had — the cast is dull. The characterizations lack the qualities needed to pull the viewer in. They are not characters who evoke any sort of sympathy. For the most part I really could not care less what happens to them, whether they live or die. The plot — I don't like it and I am in no mood to go on as to the many reasons why. Let's just say it is boring and unimaginative and leave it at that. The lack of any real innovation — if you are going to do a film based on one of the most fantastically original sci-fi works ever created, you had better offer something unique. What is unique in this film? That it is based on a prison planet? Who cares? I certainly don't. WHere are the original ideas in this film? I want something that makes me say "WOW!!!" Not one time did I say that while watching this dreck. say ALIEN 3 = SHIT. That's not just my view. Many, many fans of ALIEN and ALIENS (for that matter) feel the same way.
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I wrote an extensive post about my opinion about Horner's reuse of themes, and for some reason it was not posted. Well, it went like this: Repetition of some sort from composers is to be expected. It's cool, they are like their musical signature. That's good. But Horner went beyond that and into the real of outright theft. Goldsmith was never been shy about showing who his inspirations are, he was very open about it. You can find traces of Debussy, Ravel John Cale and Aarom Copland (who was also a major influence on John Williams) on his work. That's fine. But Horner has been more arrogant and dismissive about his influences. He loves the present hismelf as this inovative composer, but he's anything but. Made worst by the fact his influences are beyond obvious. I admit that Horner has made some good work in the past. His ST theme for ST 2 and 3 is second only to Goldsmith's, it almost rivals him in elegance and effectiveness. But consider this: Remember the badass Klingon theme he used for ST3, which he took wholesome from for WOLFEN score? Goldmisth did it first for STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE. Horner was already ripping off, and not from dead composers. Horner has been accused of being a rip off artist from very early. I have read about that since the mid 80s. At the time i took not much stock in such accusations because i had not enough knowledge to understand. Now i do. And i find Horner frustrating and irritating like hell. I do think Horner has some talent, but he sms to have lost all the inventiveness he might had once. For example, when he told in interviews he was making an unique music for the Na'vis in AVATAR while incorporating ethnic tunes in an original way, my first though was "he's going to rip off Adiemus". Well, come the movie, and comemthe Na'vis theme and what do we have? A whole fucking rip off of Adiemus! God's sake, the man doesn't even try anymore! How can i have anything good to say about him, then? How can I?
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Nothing spectacular, nothing terrible. Just meh. Like I said, the film does not offer any real innovation. That includes visuals.
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While I (respectfully) disagree with astronut's opinion, he is entitled to it. I will just nod and carry on. There is such a thing as beating a dead horse, people. Opinions are not easily changed.
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... is when Dr. McCrae and Anthony Perkins approach Reinhardt and the camera uses a motorized pan sideways, as Maximilian lowers downward behind Reinhardt to approach for the the kill. Seconds later Perkins gets grinded by the whirling death blades. The most dramatic moment in the film I say, HANDS DOWN.
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I'm outta hee-uh
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May 3, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST
The most sconstant criticism i have seen agaisnt ALIEN3 is that it's not ALIENS PART 2. To which i say "boo hoo".
by AsimovLives
A movie getting chastized because instead of trying to be it's own thing it should had been a copy of a movie that existed before. Am I alone in thinking this is a bit, you know, foolish? And that completly misses the point? I mean, imagine if ALIENS had been dismissed and criticised because it wasn't a carbon copy of ALIEN. Wouldn't that be stupid? Same thing for ALIEN3.
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I just like what I like, and that's all.
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"I would hardly call myself a film score connoisseur, viggeo. I just like what I like, and that's all" That's a good start. It's how i started.
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OK a ton of posts since your last but, anyway, you ask what the prisoners do when there's no longer any Ox - well they farm them on the planet so they obviously breed them and they say a supply ship comes to the planet every so many months, which is how they survive there. It's also not an ice planet - you can walk around and survive outside perfectly well (it rains there a lot, no snow - how did you miss this?!) Anyway, isn't it kind of pointless to try and find minor plot holes as a way to dislike a movie? You can find a ton of silly, unbelievable moments in Aliens but it doesn't make it less of a film. The fact is it's an enjoyable movie with lots of fans and a growing number who appreciate it. You don't have to like Alien 3 but you can never change other people's oppinions by pointing out, what you think, are plot holes. Your Alien series stops with Aliens - for others it stops at Alien 3 and some, albeit very few, even like to consider Resurrection and AVP. By all means dislike Alien 3, but it has a large following and you can't change that - ever. Sorry.
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May 3, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST
braindrain redefines delusional in the vocabulary. Which is no mean feat, considering this is AICN.
by AsimovLives
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My attitude toward movies is: I care. All else cames from that.
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Vincent Ward's dream should be realised. Let's all make a donation and see how much we raise ;)
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May 3, 2011, 3:06 p.m. CST
No reason to get excited, Ridley is LONG past his prime
by Billy_D_Williams
the guy is so hit or miss these days its ridiculous, and even when he hits, its not all that exciting, and i haven't been thrilled with a movie of his since...well, the original alien (didnt care for Blade Runner). though i must admit, i am curious as to what this movie will be like with an evolved director returning 30+ years and several shitty sequels later.
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May 3, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST
No, the main complaint is Alien 3 tried to be Alien Part 2
by Domi'sInnerChild
Which didn't work. Most of the shock factor was gone, so it didn't work nearly as effectively as a horror movie. Then it ignored most of the mythos and killed off most of the characters to become a standard monster movie with some crappy CGI effects they fell in love with (throw in a mess of a script and you have Friday the 13th: Jason wears a rubber suit). Alien was a haunted house. Aliens was a roller coster. Alien 3 was David Letterman's Alien-cam.
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May 3, 2011, 3:27 p.m. CST
by braindrain: "This site sucks." Then good ridance to you, sir, and never come back.
by AsimovLives
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Not so sure that ALIEN3 was ALIEN PART 2. The setting was different, the relationships and character interactions were different, the mood was different, many things were different. The geeks at the time wanted ALIEN3 to be an exact copy of ALIENS, but, i bet, with even more action and explosions. Geeks can be pretty moronic sometimes.
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May 3, 2011, 3:32 p.m. CST
"Will the Conan website sell off locks of Conan's hair?" WHAT IN THE FLYING FUCK?????
by AsimovLives
That is so wrong! So wrong!!!
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May 3, 2011, 3:48 p.m. CST
As long braindrain's real name is not called Ryan Cerny, all is ok.
by AsimovLives
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how about this one: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_67etByOrM9Y/TR09OMMW0yI/AAAAAAAAB6Q/Ncg5ERR67FE/s1600/Pearce+10_the+road.jpg
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May 3, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST
viggeo_morgenstein, you let braindrain derail this talkback. For shame!
by AsimovLives
We were talking about Jerry Goldsmith, John Barry, Alien3, Guy Pierce, you know, worthy subjects. Since when braindrain is a worthy subject? Focus, man.
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May 3, 2011, 4:07 p.m. CST
So...let's recap what we've learned before I sign off for the day, shall we, campers?
by darthderp
Prometheus may or may not be an Alien prequel. Noomi Rapace needs to introduce her naughty bits to Mr. Gillette. The mention of Alien 3 can lead to many a polarizing debate. A lot of composer love on this thread. And the notion that a talkback will go off-topic the longer it goes on is not a given. It's a goddam law of nature. PEACE, LOVE, RECYCLE!
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It's nighttime and i need my rest. Which i'm going to get it with rewatching Walter Hill's THE DRIVER.
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Make it a brutal death. A real nice tone.
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Thanks for stating that John Williams is the be-all-end-all of film composers. It's funny, I was just going to post the same thing in the last Deathly Hallows talkback and forgot about it... it was prompted by watching the trailer and when that Potter signature musical bit came up near the end, I was reminded that his reach at creating these signatures knows no bounds. How the hell does he do it? I think that ability, which is key to many of my (our?) favorite movies, is what puts him so far ahead of the pack. The stretch of his career from around Sugarland to Schindler's List is impossible to beat, imho. I also love many other composers, but he makes himself such an integral part of the CHARACTERS through the music, and I really don't know anyone else that even comes close in that department.
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You always were a bit twitchy weren't you? Or did you have a behavioral inhibitor installed?
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They even stated before its release they they were trying to "get back to the horror". Cameron made an action film because the hook of the first movie (the chestburster scene) wouldn't have the same impact as every knockoff movie proved. So making another haunted house movie had little chance of being as good as the original. Fast and Furious was making a big deal about changing genres, Aliens is as clear an example as there is of a franchise changing genres for the right reason. The reason Alien 3 failed was that anybody who had seen the original was left with a weaker copy that just changed the setting and added bad CG effects to make the monster faster. There was none of the shock of the original. There was none of the mystery of the original. Nothing was added to the original other than the idea that the alien takes traits of its host (which did nothing for me personally). It was basically the strategy of a standard slasher sequel (have the main character come back, chase her around, and up the gore).
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May 3, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST
Is there any way we can freeze John Williams so that he never dies?
by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS
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NNNNYYYYEEEEAAAARRRGH!!!!
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So what if some people only like Alien and Aliens and want to leave it at that? There is no reason to not do so if they don't like Alien 3 and beyond. Ripley, Hicks, Newt, and whatever was left of Bishop could have gone back to Gateway Station and lived happily ever after, with the occasional biomechanical nightmare intruding upon their sleep. Hell, maybe Bishop even became their butler or something after being repaired? On the other hand, those out there that like Alien 3 are free to continue on with the series and count it as canon. Me, I like the films beyond Aliens but it depends on what mood I am in. Sometimes I just want to experience what the double whammy of Alien and Aliens offers. Sometimes that is enough. If I am in the right mood though, I can watch and enjoy Alien 3 and even Resurrection. As someone said, Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3 make up a complete trilogy, but Alien and Aliens make up a complete duology if you will. It is too bad that they didn't continue on after Alien Resurrection with Ripley 8 and we could have had a second alien trilogy.
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May 3, 2011, 5:14 p.m. CST
kabong: "I hope Charlize gets killed first. It would set a nice tone."
by lv_426
"Make it a brutal death. A real nice tone." How about a shirtless chest burster death? I suppose that would make it a titty burster then.
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May 3, 2011, 5:20 p.m. CST
I can't wait for the inevitable "Alien Resurrection is a masterpiece" debates that will soon be coming
by lv_426
Probably in a few more years when the Alien 3 debate has finally run its course. Just shoot me once we get to the point where numerous talkbackers start defending and arguing in favor of the Aliens vs. Predator movies being good and or great.
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The funny thing about people using that argument is that even Joss Whedon was disappointed with Alien R.
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May 3, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST
Alien R is proof you don't stick a verbal diarrea writter with a Euro director
by Domi'sInnerChild
It probably looked good on paper, but damn that went south quick. The commentary is just shocking. The director is all proud of himself for adding quirky "funny" stuff like the locks that work on bad breath. So you have quirky funny American being translated to quirky funny Eur... making a horror movie. It's like the All Your Base Belong to Me of horror flicks.
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This is the same place where Abrams Trek is mistaken for a good movie, so anything can happen.
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You've called out the inexplicably popular, insipid Star Trek flick. You're the only poster who doesn't have a pathological hatred for George Lucas. And now I see you have a fondness for the criminally underrated Alien3. Good man.
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In the sense that we were to get a hollow rehash of Cameron's film. I agree, but then again, who says it would have to be a rehash? If someone has the right ideas that add new elements to another action-packed take on the Aliens again, then I would like to see it. One thing I would like to see made is an Aliens: Earth War video game. I've always wanted a movie adaptation of the Earth War, but the more I think about it, the more it just makes sense for it to be a game and not a movie at this stage in the franchise's history. A good FPS that lets us blast hordes of Aliens on Earth in the future would be great. Give us as game with smart guns, pulse rifles, different kinds of grenades, flamethrowers, shotguns, and mech suits (for facing those really nasty xenomorphs), and let 'em rip. There is going to eventually be an Aliens: Colonial Marines game coming in the next couple years. Hopefully if that is good then it could lead into an Aliens: Earth War set sequel.
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May 3, 2011, 8:03 p.m. CST
As long as Prometheus doesn't have a cat that keeps jumping out of cupboards
by Happyfat73
Seriously, fuck Jonesy! Also, the strobe lighting in the escape pod at the end of Alien gives me epilepsy just thinking about it.</p> </p> Don't get me wrong - i love Alien a lot, but it ain't perfect - case in point.... fucking Jonesy's cupboard jumping and the strobe-lit escape pod.
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What if Prometheus has a bunch of cats jumping out at the audience in 3D in front of rapidly flashing strobe lights?
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The man appreciates Trevor Jones. I need no further proof. Credibility intact.
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May 3, 2011, 8:58 p.m. CST
A little insanity here never hurts, fellas. That said, yeah, Asi's pretty decent.
by darthderp
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Filled with occassional moments of greatness. Whereas I love watching the first two films over and over again- the first when I'm in the mood to be drawn in to something, the second when I want something more exciting, the third film is one I have no problem skipping large sections of. It's a "Look up for this moment" type of film. The biggest problem with the film is the lack of Newt and Hicks- there is literally no reason for it. What, the excuse that the writers and whoever else wanted to strip Ripley down to nothing and be alone? I'd wager that they could have done the exact same thing by having Newt and Hicks in the film, killed unexpectedly at the end of the first act, and the film would have been all the better for it. And that's just keeping with the current plot as it is. Given more room to breath who knows what could have been done with them. It's great that some of you have watched the film so many times and had the trading cards, but for the rest of us who weren't obsessed with the film- nearly the entire cast is interchangable. I've seen the movie, or parts of it, probably 20 times by now and outside of Ripley, Bishop, and Dillon I know exactly 4 other people in the film- Pete Postlewaith(and only because of my association with him in other movies), the guy who bangs Ripley, the fat guy who gets eaten when yelling at Ripley, and the twitchy guy who lives. The script IS terrible, it's only the actors that elevate it. The plot is also pretty weak. Ripley's character arc is great, but there is no reason that her same exact story couldn't be surrounded by a better movie. There's a reason people get pissed about it feeling like a rehash of the first film- and that's because, in a number of ways, it is. People stranded alone without any real weapons getting picked off by a single alien? Come on. Outside of Ripley it didn't feel like much of anything new at all. The effects are the worst of the original 3 movies because it's the only one of them where they are noticably bad for a majority of the shots. Sure, there's a few moments here and there in the earliar films with the space ships that look fake and dated- but the aliens were always convincing before. If there's any other film that reminds me of Alien 3, it's probably Terminator 3. Both of them have a number of elements coming together that- in theory- should make a pretty damn good movie. But in the end they both feel pretty much like a rehash, with only a few memorable moments in between with the one really original saving grace being the ending moments of both films. For the record, I'd say Alien 3 is slightly better than T3, but the situation is very similar between them for me.
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But that would get an X-rating.
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Obviously, you don't know who the fuck you're dealing with. I'd rather try touching the moon than put up with his obsessive cunt thinking.
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"It's Leonard..."
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...in the Fantastic Four reboot! I hope his work in Prometheus and his outstanding smaller roles recently (Hurt Locker, The King's Speech) will get Marvel Studio's attention. This guy (hee-hee) is the ONLY actor out there who can give Reed Richards the gravitas necessary for a new Fantastic Our movie to really work.
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Thing is the Alien Anthology box set is only $70 now on Amazon (approx $17 per movie), and if you were to buy the Alien and Aliens Blu-ray's separately, then you're going to pay almost $50 for them combined. The problem is there are no special features on the stand alone versions, while the anthology has a ton of extra features plus all new special features that weren't even on the exhaustive Alien Quadrilogy DVD set from years ago. So for another $20 you will get Alien 3, Alien Resurrection, and all the special features too.
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Thank you. Seems you are another of those who decided to not follow the flock either. Good call.
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"but then again, who says it would have to be a rehash?" Obviously, you do not know Hoylwood all that much. What's suprising about ALIEN3 is that it's not a rehash of ALIENS. But it almost nearly was. I read some of the proposed scriots for the 3rd movie, and they were clearly rehashs of ALIENS, and terrible ones at that. All terrible to a man. Things only started to shape up when someone in the production of the movie deciced to go on a different direction. This is one of the things i have loved aboutthe ALIEN SAGA, they have tried to give each movie an identity of it's own. Which was then set aside when they made ALIEN RESSURECTION, where they decided to make it part ALIENS, which the results we all know. ALIEN RESSURECTION was actually going on a good direction until the movie turned into a carbon copy of ALIENS. How sad.
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Back in 1978, her use of strobe light to create tension ws a novelty. It added tremendously to set the mood of fear and tension in that part of the movie. It still does. So, no complains about that form me. As for Jonesy, yeah, it can be irksome... but you have to recall that back then the springloaded cat trick had not been done to death yet. It was still effective then. Today, the trick has been so overused people ar enow rebelling against it and in fact kills any atempt at suspence. but about ALIEN, context is a big part of it's apreciation. Take the movie into the context of the time when it was made and released, and you then can understand why the movie blew everybody's mind back then.
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Good to see a fellow fan of Trevor Jones. There's too few of us, if you ask me.
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ALIEN3 is a movie that doesn't make things easy for the audience, which is part of the reason why i admire it. It's not a comfy movie, it's not a movie you can watch in complete passivity. It's not a movie that kisses anybody's asses. Therefore, it has my approval and appreciation.
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May 4, 2011, 2:28 a.m. CST
Alien 3 is filled with borish, bald headed characters
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
All men. They're sweaty too. No wonder Assimov admires it. All the death scenes lack any sense of suspense or excitement. Alien 3 SUCKS.
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Assimov likes and admires Terminator 3, Aliens 3, but Abram's Star Trek is the worst movie ever made, it's worse than God creating AIDS even. ASSIMOV YOU FUCKING TOOL. GO PUT A KUBRICK ACTION FIGURE UP YOUR ASS. THAT WILL HAVE YOUR APPROVAL AND APPRECIATION TOO, FUCKER
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Also two great score writers.
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Sigourney Weaver is also bad in that movie, idiot. So no, the movie is not filled with bald guys only. I'm not suprised you don't have the baggage to appreciate ALIEN3, to tell you the truth. It is to be expected. Go kiss JJ Abrams' ass some more.
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You are so lame and stupid you just have to pull shit out of your ass to bash others. for your information, i don't consider Abrams Trek to be the worst movie ever made. But it's a close call to the worst of the decade. No, the wrost movie ever made is ARMAGEDDON. Which i bet you are stupid enought to love it. You are an idiot and a mindless sheep. Go suck JJ Abrams' dick, enjoy that shit.
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I think that Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard are ocasionalyl great score composers. They are not great all the time. But they can come up with great stuff. I find Zimmer frustrating in this regard. Too ofetn the reverts to his trickey and repetitiousness, which create frustrating and crappy scores. Many times i have given up on him. And then he creates an amazing movie score that just blows my mind and make me a fan again. He does this again and again and again.
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Do yourself a favor and check out the soundtrack to The Ring/Ring Two; he uses only a piano, violin and cello. Very understated and subtle, unlike Zimmer's other more bombastic cues for Pirates of the Caribbean and Batman Begins & Dark Knight.
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Your right about being great some times, but I don't expect any composer to be great all the time. Take Danny Elfman, he has had inspired and fantastic scores, but then he also gets lazy and bogged down with similar sounding soundtracks. Like every composer I guess.
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I agree, his score for THE RING was a very welcome change from his usual style. And was so apropos to the movie in question. That's what i was talking about Zimmer being a frustration composer. He's frustrating not just because he does those horrid terrible Jerry Bruckheimer movies scores, but that he then redeems himself with brillant scores for the likes of THIN RED LINE, BATMAN BEGINS, THE DARK KNIGHT and INCEPTION. The dude sure doesn't make it easy for me. If only he just sucked or if he was just brillant. The way i see it, he just makes too many scores. He should ease his workload, and trade quantity for quality. Of course, he gets payed one million dollars for each score he does, so i guess i can understand why he keeps making them by the bucketload.
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But there's a certain level of quality consistent form some composers we can't deny. Those are the ones i claim they are truly great. Guys like Zimmer are occasionally (very) brillant, but not consistently so.
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May 4, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST
You heard Winnonas pussy juice Asi, go shove an action figure that doesn't exist in the real world up your Ass!
by alexander
That said... can't you go like literally, in the real world, go and suck your own dick rather than the impotent impetus of constantly going after JJ and JJ Trek. Is that too much to ask Asi? Or just knock one out. On you own. Not in public. Just a thought. Your opinions and knowledge on cinema and artists would be so much more credible in most peoples eyes here, I'd like to think anyway.
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INCREDIBLE!!! good just won't do.
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May 4, 2011, 10:28 a.m. CST
alan_grant_lives, flatery will take you nowhere, you cunt.
by AsimovLives
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I know what you mean. It's always my fear before i go watch a new Ridley Scott movie, that it's not great but either bad or meh. Truth be told, only two movie he made really disapointed me, WHITE SQUALL and GI JANE. But since he made some of my favorite movies, it kinda breaks my heart when he doesn't make a new movie that doesn't climb closer to heights of Blade Runner or Alien. But then again, he has Blade Runner and Alien, which is more then most filmmakers can boast.
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May 4, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST
asimov, making no sense like above will take you nowhere, cuntface
by alexander
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May 4, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST
"alan_grant_lives, telling the truth as you see it and see fit will get you nowhere, my own personal douche nozzil"
by alexander
... huh!?
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May 4, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST
Guy "Always in great movies but will never be a big star" Pearce
by zooch
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It's NOT the worst movie ever made but you spend over 20 thousand hourse poluting endless talkbacks on AICN for over a fucking year bashing it, railing against the director, calling him all kinds of hateful names, etc. etc. I guess you just need psychological treatment. Now I know you're a fuckin wacko for sure. I hated Armageddon by the way. lol. But you are just delusional about Star Trek, take some medication kid.
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May 5, 2011, 1:41 a.m. CST
asimovlives go suck your wepping mother titties over the fact your beloved Nolan kisses JJ in a tree
by alexander
so your left on your own to suck your own cock or get raped while your in a permanent state of denial. Your having a breakdown over the fact they're capable of getting along rather than a complete psychopath masturbating troll like you with pathetic broken record insults for responses that only reaffirm you exist in a permanent state of denial otherwise your troll logic you lean on as a crutch crumbles pigboy. Sorry you and your opinion and useless assessments of JJ are so utterly pathetic and worthless Nolan wouldn't even let you suck his cock if you payed him, so you have to make do with your own and transgressively spill your self-fellating ignorant penis breath here on AICN like a proper troll wanker.
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