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Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!

Apologies for taking a few days off this column without notice. I was in the middle of producing a nifty little short film with a lot of the team from The Home and that was dominating pretty much 16 hours of every day. At first I was just behind by a few hours and then I realized it was better to just hit the pause button instead of running two or three pics in one day.

Now with all that bullshit in the can we can get back to looking at some classic flicks!

This Tron pic isn’t mega huge and at first glance a little dull, but then I saw the obvious look of confusion on David Warner’s face as an incredibly young Steven Lisberger seems to be trying to explain the scene from the script. That look combined with the costume he’s wearing… I can only imagine the shit running through Warner’s mind while filming Tron.

Hope you guys enjoy the pic, another one from reader Pat Barnett! Click to embiggen slightly!



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  • April 30, 2011, noon CST


    by cymbalta4thedevil

  • April 30, 2011, noon CST


    by BirdieNumNum

  • April 30, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST

    David Warner is defenitely underappreciated.

    by BirdieNumNum

  • April 30, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Both TRON movies were massive missed opportunities

    by BeeDub

    Both could have been so much greater than they ended up being. In a lot of ways, that's worse than if they'd just been terrible.

  • April 30, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Agreed, bedub

    by Immortal_Fish

    Tron could have been the Matrix before the Matrix. The sequel could have bested the Matrix. Neither happened. Now, don't get me wrong. The light cycles were a thing to behold at the time, as well as the disc battles. Yet the parts in-between called 'plot' failed to glue it to the point where the sum of these scenes were greater than the whole. Now, cue the cries of blasphemy from the AICN TB crowd where ones and zeroes are the rule.

  • April 30, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Time After Time, The Omen, Star Trek among others

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    David Warner and Ronny Cox are two of the best onscreen villains though neither started that way. They actually were in a two-part TNG episode together, but I don't think they had any scenes together.

  • Tron was so far ahead that the world comprehended it as much as your dog comprehends tv while watching Oprah. It was the first movie that I felt a little lost and in over my head at first- because there was a whole fleshed out world that already had stories taking place and we were just being brought in. It wasn't like following Luke and feeling grounded from the start with the whole idea. It was being blasted into another world you had no reference for except the little blips you had seen move onscreen. Watching on blu-ray really brings out the individual works of art of each costume. Each character's hand drawn pattern is one of the coolest things. The digital work is pixar level to this day. All done with typing numbers and praying. Truly a cinema masterwork. Utterly unique forever. Nothing else will ever be Tron.

  • April 30, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Top Disney films of all time:

    by UltraTron

    Fantasia, Tron, I'm sure there's something else but these two aimed for the rafters above all others

  • April 30, 2011, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Don't forget The Black Hole

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    What a trip that was.

  • April 30, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    That's Tron. He fights for the Users.

    by KilliK

  • April 30, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST

    oh and T:L sucked major balls.and still no sequel news.HA.

    by KilliK

  • April 30, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST

    David Warner isn't under appreciated. He's the villain

    by UltraTron

    in Titanic. Used to be that was the biggest movie ever. No it's lisberger that was never given a second chance at directing. The one man who swung for those rafters as hard as walt. Fuck the world guys

  • April 30, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Other great Disney films

    by jawsfan

    The Rookie Miracle Both sports movies, both rated G, both freakin' fantastic. Especially Miracle.

  • April 30, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST

    I was just watching Warner's TNG episodes the other day...

    by Rebel Scumb

    In the interviews on the dvd Patrick Stewart mentions how when he was really young he was in a production of Hamlet where he was a bit part but Warner was Hamlet, and he always thought of Warner as a huge inspiration after that, they had kept in touch over the years, but never had a chance to act together until the TNG 2parter, and he said it was like working with a master, and always wanting to do his best at the same time, so it brought out the best in his performance to. Great praise from an actor I don't often think of having many peers he would need to look up to. David Warner has a great voice to, instantly recognizable. He's also one of those rare actors who elevates the quality of everything he's in, even when its a piece of crap, or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II: Secret of the Ooze.

  • April 30, 2011, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Howsabout some Midnight Madness!

    by Ray

    Eeeeeeeagle........ Eeeeeeeegypt...... Eeeeeeeeaster....... Eeeeeeeeaster Bunny..... Eeeeeeeeaster Parade!!!!!!! I love early 80's HBO fodder. Fagabeefe to all.

  • April 30, 2011, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Warner rules ...


  • April 30, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    More than once...

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    Warner's been one of the all-time great RIDICULOUS screen villains. Egomaniacs who would be truly dangerous if they weren't so damned sloppy. Spicer Lovejoy, Evil Genius, John Leslie Stevenson - The list goes on....

  • April 30, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Question for Quint

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    Are you going to continue with your Twilight zone episode reviews? It's been forever since you did one. Were they not well received or did you just give up on them. It would be nice if you gave the AICN readers an idea of when they will return... or if they will return

  • April 30, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Yes, Warner Rules

    by Seven_of_Borgnine

    He'll also act in anything. Quest of the Delta Knights?

  • April 30, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST

    He'll always be the devil guy from Time Bandits

    by sith_rising

    "I'll destroy the map!" "Ohhh, don't be so STUPID!"

  • April 30, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    David Warner is great true that.

    by KilliK

    He ruled as the Klingon Abraham Lincoln in ST6.

  • April 30, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Yeah, it's evil, don't touch it.

    by MoffatBabies

    And that is either a color digital image of a photograph OR an extremely enhanced video still. Look at the color artifacts on that B&W image.

  • April 30, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST

    "Quest of The Delta Knights" Why,David, Why?

    by Tacom

    I have to live with that image of you peeing into a pot and tossing it at bad guys. Thanks MST3K.

  • April 30, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST


    by DeckardB26354

    Yes, David Warner is the bomb for all the reasons mentioned. One of the funnest villain actors of all time. Anybody play any Baldur's Gate 2? Warner made Irenicus a villain you loved to hate.

  • April 30, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    "...even when its a piece of crap, or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II: Secret of the Ooze." WTF? That movie is awesome. Who doesn't love Ernie Reyes, Jr., Kevin Nash, François Chau (Dr. Pierre Chang from LOST!!!) David Warner AND Vanilla Ice... IN THE SAME MOVIE!! C'mon! Not even kidding. I totally have this on Blu-ray and saw it at least three times in the theater... when I was 10-year-old boy. :)

  • April 30, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb (part deux)

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    I just realized that you separated "its crap" and "TMNT II" with a comma. So... maybe you didn't meant to call TMNT II "crap"? If so... I respectfully apologize for my previous comment. Turtle Power!

  • April 30, 2011, 1:54 p.m. CST

    bob loblah law blog:

    by UltraTron

    You are like the tv worshipers in Simon. You like the screen that goes beeeeeeeep? Yes.

  • April 30, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST


    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    Yup. I'm just a sheep cuz I liked them there Ninja Turtles... like every other little boy who grew up in the late 80s, early 90s. Derp!

  • April 30, 2011, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Could you imagine if...

    by Naboo_the_Enigma

    someone cosplayed as Sark in that costume at Comicon?! Tronguy would soil himself. hehe

  • April 30, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST



    Very true mate ... and Warner is prime example of this ... Its true the guy has featured in some truly horrific stuff but he always gives a brilliantly intense performance. Its cool that Tron and Titanic will showcase his ability for generations to come.

  • April 30, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST

    David Warner...

    by The_Skook

    ...should get so much more appreciation! He's great whatever he does; even being in an episode of Midsommer Murders he brought in a bit of class and gravitas.

  • April 30, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Secret of the ooze

    by Rebel Scumb

    Yeah I wasn't including it with the crap. But just that its still been elevated by him in it

  • April 30, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    David Warner is in so many movies I love...

    by fustfick

    ...but, believe it or not, when I hear his name the first thing that comes to mind is The Lobe, his character from "Freakazoid." Strange. But, true. Long live David Warner!

  • April 30, 2011, 3:24 p.m. CST

    LOVE IT!

    by Bobba Phat

    I really can't explain my fascination with Tron. Despite its shortcomings I really like the original, and after my initial viewing of the sequel I've calmed down and am a fan of Tron: Legacy. These movies aren't perfect, but they're still fun. FWIW, I love this picture: nice one, Quint

  • April 30, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST

    I love seeing c-stands in these pics.

    by Connor225

    Because I go to film school and I love it when I see equipment I've worked with on 'real' movie sets.

  • April 30, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST

    If you guys ever get the chance, please interview David Warner!

    by Mr Nicholas

  • April 30, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Didn't you ever see Slipstream? <p> Bill Paxton: "Who the hell are you?!" <p> Mark Hamill: "The law!" <p> Slipstream, more than Tron, is why Lisberger was never allowed to direct again.

  • April 30, 2011, 3:41 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    He also directed a film called Hot Pursuit in 1987, starring John Cusack - a film i've never even heard of before 5 minutes ago...

  • April 30, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST

    How many of you mooks remember Warner as Jor El?

    by Cletus Van Damme

    Of course, that's also me admitting to having watched "Lois And Clark,"so...turns out I'M the asshole.

  • April 30, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST

    fuck you Kwis, Slipstream was a great flick!

    by nobbythehappyelf

  • April 30, 2011, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Straw Dogs!

    by Lemmys_E_string

    Warner could also do great work in more sympathetic roles, let's not forget "Straw Dogs", but for such a quiet bloke off the screen, he doesn't half know how to play a bastard when he is on it.

  • i second that.Have him in that Legends column of yours,where you get interviews from cult actors.i believe mr Warner qualifies for that.

  • April 30, 2011, 5:16 p.m. CST


    by Arcadian Del Sol

    He woulda won. we saw'r

  • April 30, 2011, 5:27 p.m. CST

    All things Tron = suckage

    by cantankerous

    The first Tron sucked when I saw it in the theater. The original Tron video game sucked. Years later, when I read that the film had developed a cult following, I gave it another shot on VHS. If anything, it sucked MORE than I remembered. I saw some of Tron Legacy on a flight to Puerto Rico ... in Spanish. It didn't look too bad, so I turned it off so I could see it in English when I returned home. After watching it in English, I determined that it was better in Spanish. The whole Tron franchise has been an exercize in suckage and the sooner someone puts a bullet in it's brainpan the better.

  • April 30, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Guess I'm gonna piss off some un-fanboys here...

    by gamerawangi

    Tron & Tron Legacy... Were they great movies? Hell no. Were they at least, you know, good? Well, yeah, I guess.... Even though the acting was about as even flatter than the story. And yet... And yet... I can't say I don't enjoy them. I have some ideas why. Terrific art direction in both. So much "well, you don't see that every day" moments in both. Perhaps even their valiant attempts to capture the contemporary state of technology during which they were made. And I think there's something else... In my opinion, both new full well they were pretentious. And they didn't try to hide it as some sort of "deep meaning" bull (*cough*cough* "The Matrix" *cough*cough*). So, yeah, there year go. I can't exactly explain my "intense like" of these 2 movies, but I still enjoy the daylights out of 'em. And I sure as hell would sit through them on an endless loop until I needed Denture-Grip before ever watching "The Matrix" again. I think a lot of the griping about these 2 films is, in many ways, spot-on. I just don't happen to agree with it. No, I'm not going to explain that last sentence. Just preparing myself for the inevitable evisceration.

  • April 30, 2011, 6:38 p.m. CST

    I had a friend who asked Warner about Tron once...

    by Ronald Raygun

    A buddy of mine was working on a movie called Straight into Darkness with Warner right around the time that 20th anniversary DVD of Tron came out, so I told him to ask what his thoughts on Tron were. His was response was basically (paraphrased, of course) "Peter O'Toole turned down the part. I was flattered to get O'Toole's sloppy seconds. I showed up on set, had no idea what was going on, and haven't really thought about it since." Oddly enough, he also asked him about Ninja Turtles 2, which he described as a fun experience.

  • April 30, 2011, 7 p.m. CST

    letter i sent to 'maureen dowd' after she slammed BOB DYLAN

    by frank cotton

    i have a few words to say in reference to Maureen Dowd's lambaste of Bob Dylan. not a big fan of his, altho i have always liked Tangled up in Blue. as for myself, i will also say a few words, and let you be the judge. i consider myself, the left hand of God. i have, twice, lost my job, due to my attempts to save young women from their demons (crack cocaine, and all that that life entails - abusive, psychotic boyfriends, the 'system' (medical/mental health), which, essentially, slaps on a band-aid, rather than deal with the root cause/infection, whatever you wish to call it, the other system (police/'justice'), which happily spits out restraining orders, like a sewer discharges into the Ocean, all the live-long day, yet, when called upon to, actually, protect (as opposed to 'serve', which, apparently, consists primarily of warrants), finds itself mired in, red tape, paperwork, and the dictates of the, 'law', whatever, that, means, and, in the end, essentially useless. not to mention the, 'fathers', and 'boyfriends' and 'husbands', their, supposed protectors, who, way too often, turn out to be the originators, of their plight. the first time, five or so years back, i, to put it mildly, threw away my whole life, in an attempt to save a stripper/crackwhore from, a) herself, b) her, standard-issue, abusive, psycho, crackhead boyfriend, the aforementioned 'sytems', and, lastly, c) various, and sundry, other, predators, low-lifes, and miscreants, whatever have you. i tried twice, this first time, which was a sort of penance for having failed a woman, rather badly, in the past, myself. to wit: i once loved a girl, who, after a couple years, went her way, while i went mine. it is really, a long, tragic, and overly involved story, with which i will not bore you with here (it will be found, however, eventually, at SUICIDEGIRLS.COM, under the guise of frank cotton, and also, at OBSSESSEDARTIST.COM (how, appropriate), under one of my many, other, aliases, nil). a year or so later, after keeping in touch, working at the same establishment (and, i assure you, this is all true), and even lending her my truck, MORGENSTERN, to move with, she asked me, if, i would like to meet her, to have a beer. i said yes. here's where i show my dark side. when we first broke up , after a two-week cooling-off period, she told me, in no uncertain terms, that it was over. to digress, a moment, please bear with me, if you will, i broke up with her, after she stayed out all night, one friday, with her new friends, from her new job, much the same as we had done, ourselves, together, to begin with. she stopped by our apartment with a carload of them, to, 'use the bathroom', as she put it, when, in reality, she was there to snag the last bag of weed we had stashed in the freezer. she had, prior to this event, stopped smoking, while i continued to do so. at the point in question, our breakup, i had quit smoking, trying to sync up with her, however behind i might have been, it was, i don't know, maybe two or three months off, and she, having started a new third-shift job, and making new friends, had started back up, smoking, that is, not cigarettes, but the devil's own weed. i believed her, at first; i mean, why would she lie to me, even tho we only saw each other once a month, on one weekend, due to her, a) schoolwork, college, that is, a major in microbiology, with a minor in computer science, on the side, so to speak. b) ROTC, as she was expected to give up one weekend a month, two weeks in the summer, etc., and c) her full-time, 40-hour-a-week job. the new job, that is, that we were just talking about. well. after about two hours of sitting around, and trying my best, to sell myself her story, it occured to me, to look in the freezer. and, lo and behold, the weed, why, it's gone! not there! it disappeared (i was a little slow, back then), and so, to put it, again, mildly, i threw a coniption fit. yelled at the walls, threw a couple of things(unbreakable, by the way, i didn't want to break anything of hers, you see - and, yes it is, still, all true), around the room, stomped on the floor a couple of times, and, in a split-second of, dare i say, brilliance, i had a master plan! out of nowhere, it seems, even now, impossible to believe. why, i would play her, like a hand of poker, and i would bluff her. simple, concise. easy-as-pie, what could possibly go wrong? care to take a guess? i called her, at her new friend's house, and told her, in, once again, no uncertain terms, that, she would either, a) come home, immediately, and try to patch things up, as best we could (i was, at this point, starting to save up for a ring; she had risked her credit, to co-sign for, me, a car loan, so that i, might be able to actually, get to work, rather than, as was the norm, the usual, get in the car (old, 1970, 'ford' LTD, black, as midnight, courtesy of earl shieve's cheap-ass, $100 paint job, looks great, but don't run for shit, kinda, pray, cross my fingers, my heart, etc.), turn the key, and hope to God it would crank, sort of thing, that, we had going on, on, say, a daily basis). i figured, hey, if she's willing to risk her credit on the likes of me (stoner, high school dropout, some community college, never really commited to anything type of guy, that i was, at that time, with, you know, no future, vague visions of an art-fueled, movie-making career in the far, but not too, too, distant future, fanciful dreams, and not much else to bank on), then, she is, undoubtly, a keeper). to resume, if i may, my somewhat, sordid, and, twisted tale, i told her in those terms yet again, that, if we broke up, there would be no second chance, no going back, that (at this point, a mere, two-weeks into what i thought was, a done deal, an open and shut case, ie, that is, i figured she would fold her hand, so to speak, can't lose situation, i'm already falling apart; i hadn't eaten, or slept, not literally, but not quite figuratively, either), if i had to go through this once (the breakup thing), as torn up as i already was, and picturing just how much further rent i would certainly be, i would, never, ever, go through it again. period. that, if she should, ever, in the not-too-distant and/or unforseeable future, want to attempt to get back together, or to even merely whisper the idea into my ear, that she would be, shit out of luck. or words to that effect. to this, at that point in time, she agreed. almost to the instant, i put in play my other, darker, hidden, sub, but-not-quite-sub, concious plan, my EVIL, nefarious, and entirely unforgivable plan, into play. revenge. the, how to say, the, for the sake of my, broken heart, my, splintered heart, which, to, this very day, has never quite healed, would be quite, not-that-hard, but, nonetheless, rather difficult to pull off, over the course of a year, and, in emotional terms, very costly, indeed, would be, if not sweet, at least, it would certainly be, cold, plan. please, dear, i will try to finish this, in a thousand words, or less. i set her up. i knew, see, that we were MEANT to be together, i knew, that she WOULD, at some point in time, ask me, oh, something like, if i had nothing better to do, would i like to meet her, and have a beer. just one beer. so. over the course of the following year, post-breakup, i, right off the bat, took a transfer to another location (ten miles away; i was working, this is the 1980s, for an unnamed, guaranteed on-time pizza delivery titan, as a manager-in-training/glorified delivery driver), so i wouldn't have to drive past HER apartment, umpteen-thousand times a day. two, maybe three months later, i took a second job, at her, then, place of employment (local to Wake Forest, her school, bar/restaurant, a place where, we, once-upon-a-time, hung out), part-time, evenings, as i worked day shift as a (more-or-less) assistant manager at the aforementioned francise pizza establishment. i know, it's weird; i hated driving past 'our' place, but i loved being in her presence, because i loved her, then, and i always will. back to - see, it was not just a job, but also, a means to an end. my miserable, hateful, spiteful, end. of course, it worked. we had remained friends, sincerely, i assure you, because we had been friends for a couple of years before we got together. and i didn't want to lose, that, that last little bit of connection i still had with her, because, even tho, on the one hand, i was plotting against her, and hated her, for breaking my heart, on the other hand, i still loved her, if only with the, still functioning, good half, of my heart. we are all, like that, half bad, half good, another story, another day. love is, a, many, splendored thing, is it not? yes, and no. it is, on the one hand, a beautiful thing, something to be cherished, and sought after, whatever the cost, yet, on the other hand, it is, how to put this, a vile, horrible, and terrible thing, which, in the wrong hands (much like a gun, don't, get me started), is every bit as destructive, and potentially lethal, as any nuclear stockpile, whether it be weapons of war, the ultimate toxic waste thereof, or, a mere, could be, but actually isn't, 'safe', 'clean', and efficient, powerplant. sex, as a weapon, has absolutely NOTHING on, love, as a weapon. and, don't we ALL, know it. to continue, with the, story-within-a-story, i pushed all the right buttons, and pulled all the right strings, to steer her, all unknowing, and, in this, romantic, sense, innocent, towards my EVIL, heart's desire. EVIL, half, that is. vengeance. 'and, it worked', to quote NINE INCH NAILS, like a fucking charm. as if on cue, one night, roughly a year after the, what else can i call it, the worst day of my life, she asks me, that question. the one beer question. the fish had, taken, so to speak, the proverbial bait, and, all sytems were go, ready for lift off. if memory serves, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't, that was a friday night, yeah, friday again, and our, to say the least, again, or is that, yet again, fateful day of reckoning, that was, as far as she knew, just a date, with an old friend, and, maybe, just maybe, a single shot at a, second chance, that, she had been assured she would never, ever get. you can fill in the rest. yes i did. i was that sorry, that heartless, that worthless a human being that, rather than take that second chance that providence had, ironically, given me, to save my soul, and myself, and my life, and, for all i knew, at that point, all of hers as well, rather than take that gift, and give thanks, and do the right thing, the one, and only thing, i should have done, i did the worst thing i have ever done, the one thing i can not, could not, and will not, ever, forgive myself for. ever. i mean it. did you see UNFORGIVEN? do you understand what the title means? i do. it took, seven, maybe eight years for the first cracks to appear, the cracks in my self-righteous, bullshit facade, that i saw presented before me, in the mirror in the bathroom of my, $300 a month, identical to, almost-down-to-the-last-detail floorplan apartment (identical to OURs, hers and mine, for those of you who may have lost track). it took another four, maybe five years, for it to finally hit me, the magnitude of what i had done (you haven't heard the afterword, or the aftermath, as it were). what i had actually managed to accomplish. not only did i a) flush what might have been a wonderful, joyful life, spent with her, right down the toilet, i also, call it a consolation prize/curse, managed to break a good deal of the faith that she had in men, in general (the same faith that women, in general, have in men, in general, that is, that we are not all, assholes, that some of us 'men', not me, mind you, are actually worthy of the name, 'man', are, in fact, actually worthy of the love that you, you women, you ANGELS, that you give us, that some of us, won't mistreat you, won't forget you, won't forget to watch over you), and, not only that, but i also managed to do one other, unforgivable thing. i managed to, not be there, the night, some months after, that, night of EVIL, that, night of, throwing away, of, spitting in the face of, of, the second chance, i also managed to, not be there, the night, the second night of EVIL, the night she was raped. the worst, of her life. this is what i am, trying, with my, attempts, fated tho they may be, to make up for. not just, this part, or that part, but for all of it. the sum total. that is, not just metaphorically speaking, but literally, the burden that i bear, every day, for the rest of my life. i haven't dated, really, since then, altho there was, a dalliance, shall we say, with another lost soul, not as lost as the one that ran me to ground, but, well, i'm a sucker, for a damsel in distress, even if it is of her own making. but that was but a blip, a bogey, as the flyboys say, on the radar of life. i failed her. this is the 'sin', for which there is no ammends. i write, mostly for my own amusement, as no one seems to have any interest in any of my, other, stories, the fictional ones that i have lately, after finally giving up on ever selling them, started posting on the internet for free. once, when writing a letter to one of the many lost souls, there are, inhabiting our world, i wrote the following: woman was God's gift to man that he might know beauty and joy there is no greater sin than to fail her i, while a fair wordsmith at best, am nowhere near as eloquent as that. i, who used to think i was a great guy, a swell dude, a cool cat, i, have committed, long ago, the worst sin of all. the sin for which no one can forgive me. in a vain, pointless, attempt to somehow, say, balance the scales, if not actually make up for, my crime, against her, the one true love of my life, i continue to, despite the best advice of family and friends, try and save lost souls, from themselves. to wit: a month or so, ago a young lady, from my place of employ (once, yet again, in the pizza delivery service dragon), who had previously, almost passed out, and also, due to a failed drug test, lost her place at school, was seen by mine own eyes, in her car, in the passenger seat (it is, a sign, to those in the know), with three crackheads, some hundred or so feet away from what i call, crackland. so. me, idiot that i am, i decide that something must be done, to save this girl from the life that the aforementioned stripper/crackwhore lived. that one, i met at the end; this one, i met at the beginning, so, what better point at which to assualt the demon? i tell my manager, who is still upset over the, 'almost passed out' thing (which, of course, i was also involved in. silly me, why don't i just quit trying to help people?), about what i saw, and he, big man that he is, says to, MIND MY OWN BUSINESS. (this fraidy-cat, he thinks that he is, personally, mind you, going to be sued by this girl's family, at some point or another, over some thing or another). big man, who has some serious paranoia issues, tells me to back off. so. fuck him. fuck my job. fuck my life. i am going to do something, and, i'm thinking, maybe i'll write her a letter, and tell her about the other one, the one i threw everything away for, tell this girl, about, that girl's 'life', if it can be called that, give her a glimmpse into her own possible future, as it were, and maybe, just maybe, that little peek at that horror show might snap her to her senses. which i did. and, i put it in her car, in a pretty envelope, the kind a secret admirerer might use. stupid, stupid man. what are you thinking? how dare you, try to help out a fellow human being? i get the one reaction i hadn't forseen, the 'freak out and show everyone in the store the letter ' reaction. i thought she would either, a) laugh it off, and say, 'you don't really think i smoke crack, do you?' or something to that effect. or b) she would say nothing at all. at worst, i thought she might, maybe, slap me (in private), and curse me out. goes to show, what the hell, do i know? long to short - i show up to work the next morning, and get the axe. again. so. what's the point of all this? the point is, i think i stand on firm ground, when i ask, just what the hell has ms. dowd done? other than write columns that are critical of others? so what if BOB DYLAN got paid? doesn't she? get paid? hypocrite, much? at least he wrote some songs that will stand the test of time. has she? done anything? that will stand the test of time? have you, Maureen. i'd like to know. thanks for your time. too bad you won't print this...

  • April 30, 2011, 7:01 p.m. CST

    it's a bit long, but you can just read the first/last couple of

    by frank cotton

  • April 30, 2011, 7:02 p.m. CST

    paragraphs to get the jist of it

    by frank cotton

  • April 30, 2011, 7:48 p.m. CST

    I've Watched Tron Legacy


    5 times now. Gets better every time. That's the sign of a great movie.

  • April 30, 2011, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Legacy is the better film

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    and I don't just mean in terns of special effects or 3Dness. But plot wise, structure pacing, even character Legacy is just a better film then the first Tron. Neither are going to make my top 20 films of all time, but If i'm chosing one to watch on a saturday afternoon its gonna be legacy

  • April 30, 2011, 9:33 p.m. CST

    frank cotton - your writing needs some work

    by smudgewhat

    Here's why: you basically left out the details of your self-described 'betrayal' of the stripper/crackwhore. Lots of buildup, then you skip the main course. Aside from that I can tell you that many people do not want to be 'saved' and your actions may have more to do with picking off attractive, fucked up targets. Smudge knows these things. Now when I see these trainwrecks coming down the tracks with a premonition i get the fuck out of there. 2 fucked up people doing a fucked up dance is no good for me. Why go back and repeat the pattern? Onward.

  • April 30, 2011, 10:33 p.m. CST


    by PatientZer0

    Character actor of all fuckin time. And both Tron and Tron: Legacy are the shit. End of Line.

  • April 30, 2011, 10:58 p.m. CST


    by Crobran

    Those two episodes of TNG were some of the very best. It was great fun watching David Warner and Patrick Stewart spar with each other. Wow. Now I want to watch those RIGHT NOW.

  • April 30, 2011, 11:45 p.m. CST


    by Meadowe

    The coo' little voiceover at the beginning with Jeff Bridges "that's right, man...I got in!" and then panning to the title, which was a little confusing since it didn't say legacy. The whole Sam on a motorcycle was kinda reminiscent of Jim Kirk on his spokeless motorcycle in st 09 imo, and so was Sam being visited by Alan Bradley reminiscent imo of Kirk being visited by Captain Pike and trying to instill in them to aim higher in their lives. Even before the "reveal" I knew Rinzler was really Tron...on my second viewing I noticed that when CLU stabbed Tron that he made that low growling noise that Rinzler does, something I didn't notice before. Rinzler was a missed opportunity re: his costume, which was more dots than lines like anyone else, which may have some kind of technological importance but it didn't look too cool imo. And Jeff Bridges' delivery of lines...when CLU asks him if he is still to build the perfect system, the way JB says "yeah!?" always makes me smile like he's saying dude wtf nothing's changed! of course at that point everything's changed. And I'm really digging the end credits song and also this song called The Game has changed, which reminds me a little of The Dark Knight's score a little. Yeah there were some things they could have expanded on, but all in all it was worthy of my time...I can't wait to get a 3d tv so we can put in this 3d blu ray...all the movies we got first on disc have been movies I really enjoy...first dvd we got was The Matrix, first blu ray was The Departed and now first 3d blu ray is T:L.

  • April 30, 2011, 11:56 p.m. CST


    by Mo_Rephus

    Anyone know if David Warner wears glasses? That could be another explanation for that look. He may need glasses to read and was squinting to see the line/scene that Lisberger was pointing to. That looks like the set aboard Sark's carrier with David standing in the 'recharger'/MCP communication "booth" facing backwards.

  • May 1, 2011, 12:54 a.m. CST


    by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls

    I understand you don't like the films, That's cool. But you're saying the original TRON arcade game sucks? I'd love to hear your reason(s) why.

  • May 1, 2011, 2:04 a.m. CST

    the plot was a bit thin but Legacy was a stand-out film last year


    The light cycle scene is indeed amazing. Very well done. I don't think it's a great film, the script would have to be sharper for that, but it's a solid sci-fi/action flick.

  • He just doesn't have the stature or the sense of menace. He was a pansy. You knew Tron was going to beat him in like 2 moves. And he did. Even GIANT Warner was just a GIANT joke.

  • May 1, 2011, 2:21 a.m. CST

    The League of Gentlemen's Apocalypse

    by simonnumbernine

    Dr Erasmus Pea

  • May 1, 2011, 2:32 a.m. CST


    by alan_poon

    What was the name of that portmanteau horror from the 70's that David Warner appeared in ? My friend and I always pull that line out when we on a roll.

  • May 1, 2011, 3:18 a.m. CST


    by frank cotton

    thank you, sir, if indeed you are a sir, for taking the time to read the letter. most here ignore me, or, just slam me with insults. not only did you read it, you were kind enough to offer some advice. but i do believe, either a) i made it so dense, for lack of a better word, that you missed something, or b) you just got two girls confused. the one i betrayed, was the love of my life, not the stripper.

  • Like most of that series ... PERFECT casting.


  • May 1, 2011, 8:09 a.m. CST

    End of Board meeting In Legacy


    Dillinger makes a call. He's calling Dillinger senior, and know it was Sam Flynn who released Encom OS into the wild. You can just tell. Gets better every time. I expect it's possible even bits I'm still not all that happy with will seem better over subsequent viewings.

  • May 1, 2011, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Yay, TRON!

    by NeonFrisbee

    Loved 'em both, I don't care if the entire concept is ridiculous, I LOVE IT. The original is the most psychedelic movie of the 80s and Legacy looks and sounds absolutely gorgeous. Sure, they both have flaws, but they're each WAY better than they're given credit for. And, sure, none of it makes a lick of sense in the "real world," but who cares? Did Alice In Wonderland make sense? That's basically what Tron is -- Alice In Electroland. It's not "hard sci-fi", it's fantasy. The Jules Verne reference in Legacy was obviously an intentional nod to that. And before I get pilloried for being a "fanbot," I've gone on at length in other threads that I agree that there are valid criticisms of both films, just that they're not as bad as many of the "haterz" claim them to be. They're each WAY better than they're given credit for. Anyways, boy, I really hope we get a Tron 3.

  • May 1, 2011, 8:39 a.m. CST


    by NeonFrisbee

    Is your name in reference to that scream sound you hear in almost every action movie and/or trailer? If so, that's EXACTLY how I would spell it too.

  • May 1, 2011, 9:06 a.m. CST

    AICN....Because nothing happens on the weekend

    by matthooper8

  • May 1, 2011, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Isn't there a St Nyeeeaaarrrrggggghhhhhhs in Cornwall?

    by alan_poon

  • May 1, 2011, 9:19 a.m. CST

    frank cotton....I too have a certain stripper I'd like to rescue

    by Bobo_Vision

    Something about strip clubs brings out a paternal instinct in me. When they sit on my lap and tell me their woes, I want to protect them from this cruel world and be their shining knight. But then I sober up. I can relate, though....thanks for sharing a bit of your soul. My only advice....less commas...

  • May 1, 2011, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Hitherto undiscussed problems with Tron.

    by Greggers

    1. MCP is an artificial intelligence program. That alone is HUGE, and everybody in the movie takes it for granted. 2. Why is MCPs voice simulator on at the terminal where Flynn first gets sucked into the Tron-verse? Is that practical for a lab terminal? 3. What exactly is going on when the lightcycle rider get killed in the beginning of the movie? Is he a captive to the lightcycle controlled by the video game player? Is that stand alone video game somehow linked-in with the Encom system? 4. Flynn is a video game designer. How does that translate into prowess with projectile frisbees (that in no way act like regular frisbees) and motorcycles? 5. Who is the old guy that MCP is reduced to at the end of the movie? If the programs represent the souls of the users, he must have been a user, right? This was a blown opportunity for a great reveal: Flynn was responsible for programming the early MCP -- the MCP should have been Flynn's doppleganger. As it stands, the face of MCP is just some anonymous old guy.

  • May 1, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    I always love seeing Warner in films...

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

    except maybe Necronomicon, where I saw him do a love scene with a girl almost 1/3rd his age...That just skeeved me out.

  • May 1, 2011, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Don't you just love AICN?

    by Denty420

    Every other movie news website operates 7 days a week, 365 days a year. Apart from Quint's BTSPOTD, I don't think anyone even touches this site on weekends. Unless there's a Comic Con or a BNAT going on.

  • May 1, 2011, 11:46 a.m. CST

    by NeonFrisbee

    1. MCP is an artificial intelligence program. That alone is HUGE, and everybody in the movie takes it for granted. Answer: Because it's a fantasy movie? Again, not hard sci-fi. Of course it's fantastic / ridiculous / impossible. 2. Why is MCPs voice simulator on at the terminal where Flynn first gets sucked into the Tron-verse? Is that practical for a lab terminal? Answer: For dramatic effect? Totally agree it's completely impractical. Makes sense for a fantasy movie, though. 3. What exactly is going on when the lightcycle rider get killed in the beginning of the movie? Is he a captive to the lightcycle controlled by the video game player? Is that stand alone video game somehow linked-in with the Encom system? Answer: The way the movie puts it forth, it looks like he's being controlled by the video game player. I guess that plays into the idea of predestination; that all our actions are being played out by unseen forces and we only have the illusion of free will. HOLY SHIT! Is Tron actually a deep metaphysical musing on the spiritual layers of existance framed as a Campbellian fantasy film aimed at children and those who enjoy psychedelics??? Maybe. Gaspar Noe cites it as an inspiration for ENTER THE VOID, though. Have you ever done DMT? 4. Flynn is a video game designer. How does that translate into prowess with projectile frisbees (that in no way act like regular frisbees) and motorcycles? Answer: Because he's a whiz at video games. He's, like, a video game master n' shit. So, ergo, he's great on the game grid. 5. Who is the old guy that MCP is reduced to at the end of the movie? If the programs represent the souls of the users, he must have been a user, right? This was a blown opportunity for a great reveal: Flynn was responsible for programming the early MCP -- the MCP should have been Flynn's doppleganger. As it stands, the face of MCP is just some anonymous old guy. Answer: He was the janitor at Encom. Nah, but, yeah, I'm not sure. They never really say who created the MCP other than "no one User made me." So, he's, like a spontaneously emerging AI? Or... maybe... he's the original ISO?!?!? HOLY SHIT! *** Anyways, yeah, of course Tron is ridiculous and if you try and think through everything in a "realistic" sense, not very much of it makes a lick of sense. Again, it's a fantasy movie. Alice In Electroland. Accept it as a fantasy movie that shatters probability and like it on those terms or not. Personally, I always loved the fantastic / colorful / cartoony / bizarre Tron more than the grim / dour / self-important and more "realistic" (though also impossible/improbable) Matrix. Also: Tron did it first.

  • May 1, 2011, 11:47 a.m. CST

    ^Above Was In Response to greggers

    by NeonFrisbee

    Forgot the tagline.

  • May 1, 2011, 11:50 a.m. CST


    by Keith

    "Flynn is a video game designer. How does that translate into prowess with projectile frisbees" Well, I definitely think that the second time Flynn does battle using the discs that they...oh, wait, I mean, just that ONE time that he uses them....that is to say....err....hang on... Oh. Flynn never throws a disc in the entire movie. He does take a drink of water out of a disc at one point. Which is, y'know, kinda similar, I guess.

  • Probably should have been Leo D in both of them. And the person writing the dialogue.

  • May 1, 2011, 12:26 p.m. CST

    old school thespians

    by drunkenmonkey73

    Its like chalk and cheese watching these actors do sci fi like Tron and star wars Sir Alec Guinness

  • May 1, 2011, 1:54 p.m. CST

    my movie always will be.......:)

    by NorthTronic

  • May 1, 2011, 2:30 p.m. CST

    I always thought...

    by Naboo_the_Enigma

    the old guy in the MCP was the guy who programmed the chess program that the MCP once was. DuMont mentions that at one point. Or was it DuMont, since he was the founder of Encom in the first place? Didnt the MCP become self-aware at some point, and had become 8025% (or whatever the line was) smarter since then? Maybe Im thinking of Skynet.

  • May 1, 2011, 7:17 p.m. CST

    David Warner. Check out Straw Dogs. You never go full retard.

    by Stuntcock Mike


  • May 1, 2011, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Warner was great in The Island as the pirate leader.

    by v3d

  • May 1, 2011, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Heres to hoping

    by MurderMostFowl

    Still holding out hope for Sark to come back in Tron 3.

  • May 1, 2011, 9:03 p.m. CST

    i am

    by frank cotton

    the old dude.

  • May 1, 2011, 9:07 p.m. CST

    i was also

    by frank cotton

    the chess program in that other film...

  • May 2, 2011, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Quint, correct me


    If im wrong but pretty sure I'm older than you and I'm not old :p I'm 32.

  • May 2, 2011, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Frank Cotton, how do you type in a straitjacket?

    by Man in Suit

    You're coo coo for coco puffs.

  • May 2, 2011, 8:07 a.m. CST


    by The PimpDragon

    I was at a horror convention and David Naughton was there signing stuff for American Werewolf. I walked up and had him sign my DVD of Midnight Madness and his face lit up! He literally talked with me for like close to 10 minutes, even bringing Griffin Dunne in on the conversation, much to the dismay of people waiting in line! I LOVE that film, goofy as it may be! Melio FTW!

  • May 2, 2011, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Midnight Maddness Rules!

    by Ray

    Ya know, it doesn't change the world (or want to) theres no big end all be all alter your life kind of ending, and yes, its cheese, but it is a little time capsule our lives wrapped in that cheese and it never grows old. like It's a mad, mad, mad, mad, world, Gumball Rally, Cannonball Run (and 2) and dozens more films from the mid 70s through mid to late 80's that you never get tired of watching- they just make you happy!

  • May 2, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST


    by Naboo_the_Enigma

    Ahh yes, I remember Dillinger saying "I wrote you!" now. I guess the guy in the MCP could still be the chess program creator and Dillinger based the MCP on it, but that is a stretch. He IS a software thief after all... I also remember Dillinger saying to DuMont, "This isn't the company you started in your garage anymore." I really hope David Warner will be in the next Tron movie. He has IMDB credit for being in the Tron: The Next Day short film, but I don't remember seeing him. I'll have to rewatch it. =)

  • May 2, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST


    by Naboo_the_Enigma

    Ahh yes, I remember Dillinger saying "I wrote you!" now. I guess the guy in the MCP could still be the chess program creator and Dillinger based the MCP on it, but that is a stretch. He IS a software thief after all... I also remember Dillinger saying to DuMont, "This isn't the company you started in your garage anymore." I really hope David Warner will be in the next Tron movie. He has IMDB credit for being in the Tron: The Next Day short film, but I don't remember seeing him. I'll have to rewatch it. =)

  • May 2, 2011, 1:43 p.m. CST


    by Naboo_the_Enigma

    The Dillinger part of The Next Day is actually not part of The Next Day movie itself, but an easter egg on the Tron: Legacy Blu-Ray. I just watched it online and it is just David Warners voice sounding like the MCP... Maybe a clue to a future villain in upcoming movies. =D