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A few pages of ENDER'S GAME...
Hey folks, Harry here... ENDER'S GAME is one of those properties that always seems to have movement, but it always seems that it's just Orson Scott Card, who is saying it's moving. I hope something good eventually comes of all his efforts, I really do. But I have to say, I would really prefer that SIXTH SENSE kid to that Anakin kid. But that's just me. Here ya go...
You probably already know this, but what the hell... Orson Scott Card's put
up the first few pages of the Ender's Game script. Personally, I don't like
it that much... the opening sequence kinda needs to be rewritten, most of the
good stuff with Peter and Valentine is gone, and he's taken out the scene
where Ender beats the crap out of Stilson. Oh, well... here's the link,
anyways:
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Well said Harry, the Sixth Sense kid wipes the floor with Mannequin Skywalker in terms of emotional depth, empathy and the look of one who is a haunted sole. But I thought you liked Jake Lloyd when it first came out?
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I read a chat transcript with Card on Washingtonpost.com a few months ago. He doesn't think Osment is right for the part because he is too old. He also met Lloyd personally and he was impressed, moreso than his role in TPM. In fact, Card was very obviously showing his hatered of that movie.
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I know the complaint here (aside from the Osment vs. Lloyd thing - Celebrity Deathmatch anyone?) is that the only person talking up this project is Card. On the other hand, he's got Robert Chartoff of "Rocky" as his producer, along with two others (mentioned on the site linked here at AICN) Lynn Hendee and Ted Ravinett. I'm only a movie and OSC fan, not an "insider" but isn't it their job to be talking about the film and getting things going? And if they're not, then I say good for Card for at least trying to keep people's attention on the project.
Meanwhile, it wasn't Lloyd's fault that his part in TPM was so crappily written. Who knows, maybe with some GOOD dialogue (which I think will be delivered by OSC) he'd do a good job. -
These pages from an OLD draft have been up on Fresco's website forEVER. Thanks for the interest, though...good to keep the buzz out there.
I was reading Card's new "Ender's Shadow" over the holidays, and the franchise seems more marketable than ever. -
...but when you're dealing with a thought and character driven piece like "Enders Game" doesn't it only seem natural that Hollywood would seem a bit gunshy of the material? I'm not trying to knock science fiction here, but most of the stuff rolling off the production lines have been retreads of better material with bigger explosions. I certainly hope that Mr. Card can maintain control of his work and ideas here, but I just don't see the level of intelligence coming from tinsletown. I hope to see this, but I'm nervous about what the final form will be.
Cheers,
??Pseudo??
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I wonder some if this movie will make it past a scripting stage. While I would love to see it on the screen, I think it might be a hard movie to sell to the appropriate audience. Anyone unfamiliar with Card's books would immediately assume that this is a kid's movie, especially if poster boy anakin is playing Ender. 'Genius Kid Joins Military to Play Video Games and Fight Aliens?' Sounds like Last Starfighter. And as much as sci-fi fans might clamor for them, and despite the popularity of Contact and 2001, studios are really nervous about making intelligent sci-fi films. they'd probably want to show scenes of the aliens being blown away, or the final destruction of the Hive homeworld and write it off as an action movie. But here's hoping Card is tenacious enough to get it done, and get it done right.
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This movie shouldn't be made, the book was a boring ass piece of repetitive shit. Card has no life and needs to move beyond this tired ass franchise. "Ender's Game" was the worst damn book I ever read. And that anakin brat can't act for shit. The Sixth Sense kid should keep as far away from this movie as possible, it's a disaster waiting to happen. Little kid themed movies don't work anymore (if they ever did).
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This isn't the same script that was posted on Fresco a couple years back, it's been revised heavily. OSC removed the original due to heavy un-constructive critiscism. Having read the entire trilogy multiple times, I hope that Mr. Card can pull it off. A major partt of the book was emotional and intellectual thought, and it will be hard to adapt it effectively. However, I think if anyone can do it, OSC can. He did the novelization of "The Abyss", and is the only author I've read who has ever done a novelization the right way, not contradicting the movie, and not cutting fromit, not even changing any of the dialogue. I won't say that I won't be disappointed if the movie fails, but I at least apprciate the book enough to be disspaointed, rather than spouting solid waste because I didn't.
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Better that, though, than some apothetic crap discussions about TPM, I suppose.
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I loved the book, thought it was one of the best sci fi books I've ever read. I keep thinking it would make such a great movie if it was done at all right. Hope someone with the deep pockets to make it happen figures that out.
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Having an actor that's too old for a part or an actor that can't act? Let's keep in mind that we have 23 year olds that are playing sophomores in high school! Youth and age in the movies is something that is clearly very abstract!
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There is no way in hell they'll pull this project off. It's be a total shit. The world is complelety too PC to let this come to screen the way Card wrote it. Come on, ass kickin' little kids? in a post Colombine era? gimme a f*ckin' break. This script will be total PC shit. An GOD HELP US if the anakin kid get the role over the 6th sense kid.
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Everything else Card has written totally sucks. Completely. it Hoover's. And I've read a lot in the FALSE HOPE that it will be good. Especially that Call of Earth travisty or whatever the hell it was called. What an unroganized pile of shit that was!
Forgive the spelling errors.
Milo -
I'm not sure what you all are talking about. Have you read the script excerpt? I thought it was an awesome adaptation of the book, which is one of my favorites. People seem to forget that movies cannot equal a book as far as the amount of content presented... cuts have to be made. OSC has managed, in the few pages that are available to us, to capture the spirit of the book for me. Who will play Ender? I will leave that up to the powers that be. I'm in the theater on opening day. And... OSC hasn't written anything else of merit? Read the Alvin Maker series? Anyone? Some of you people are quite insane.
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Sorry, I don't want to be a naysayer, but how is this movie supposed to work? Aren't the opening shots supposed to establish tone, character, and whatnot? If so, why the hell did they take out him not just beating Stillson, but beating him so severly that he wouldn't have to worry about his friends? That was what made the first and greatest impression about Ender, and the kind of person he was in the book. If they take that out, then you change Ender, which kind of defeats the purpose of the movie, making it more of "big guns go boom" sci fi. Just my 2 cents.....
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I personally don't really see what the big deal is with Ender's Game. One of my coworkers loved the book to the core of his being and pleaded me to read it. It was an OKAY book at best with an interesting concept but the book itself was a trite Asimov wannabe. The story will not translate well at all on the big screen and I don't see the general American audience identifying with a bunch of little kids. Plus, there aren't enough good kid actors out there to really make it work.
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I have no idea why you people are spending so much time arguing over the possible inclusion of two kids who, by the time this movie goes into production, will be way to old to play the part. If the trades havn't picked up word one about the status of Enders Game than its a safe bet that a project of the maginitude and expense of this one is at least a year or two away. By that time Ender will be the target of a national cattle call audition and it will likely end up being some kid discovered eating an ice-cream at the mall in Springfield.
As for those of you insisting that the 6th sense kid is somehow superior to Mannequin Skywalker.... news flash!!! He wasn't that good!!
I think the future cinema-Ender is sitting at home playing video games without so much as a clue as to whats in store for him. -
The very fact that we are spending time posting on this thread proves that Enders Game is a movie with an audience. Good or Bad its gonna get made!!!
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Does it bother anyone else that the name "formics" is being used instead of buggers? Formics just doesn't roll off the tongue as well, nor does formics and astronauts (vs buggers and astronauts) or formic-lover (vs bugger-lover)
Stile -
I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but "bugger" is British slang for anal sex. I don't think the international marketing and merchandising would do so well with kids t-shirts that said, "Bugger-lover" on them. Just a thought.
Cheers,
??Pseudo??
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I dunno, with all the hundreds of cool sci-fi books out there, why is it that a book like enders game gets consideration for the big screen. The books greatest achievement was the interaction between valentine ender and peter, and the inner turmoil ender faced at battel school, all elements which will be put aside no doubt for some big explosions and space battels. For crying out loud, if Mr. Card has to make enders story into a movie, he might think about starting with speaker for the dead, wait for the franchise to catch on then go back and do a big "episode 1: enders game" thingie.
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Oh yeah, i forgot to add that if producers out there are so eager to make some of the classic sci-fi novels into big budget C.G flicks, then they should look no further than "Consider Phlebas" by Ian M banks, or "Hyperion" by Dan Simmons. Out of many sci-fi classics these two would be the best to adapt to film and they would really rock.
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Ooops.... thanks for the heads-up, Pseudo, I did not know that particular meaning was attached to "bugger" ... kind of brings a whole new meaning to the phrase.
You'll have to forgive me, I can barely keep up with the slang over here, much less keep abreast of slang across the globe.
Stile -
So - judging from the tone of Card's detractors, the book sucked, the movie will suck, and pretty much every actor under the age of twelve sucks. Thank you, naysayers, for your awkward efforts at articulate persuasion. Your liberal use of profanity and sloppy spelling added the oafish emphasis the were looking for - but I have to wonder why this book arouses so much venom in you. Some of you folks really scare me.
I think the adaptation will likely disappoint fans of the book - most adaptations do. As a fan of all of OSC's stuff, even the exceptionally sucky stuff that some of you have dripped bile on in your posts, I know I'll be let down by any film version. It goes with the territory.
Ender's Game creates a unique challenge - it's a character-driven story with a psychologically-complex pre-pubescent lead, set in a sci-fi environment. Any one of those elements can sink any film. Pulling the whole thing off would be a miracle. Card also suggests that Ender's Shadow should be filmed concurrently. That's a big mistake, methinks - but I promise not to hemorrhage over it.
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No fucking shit "Hyperion" would make a better movie.I read the current script and it just further proves to me the "enders.." was a total one shot deal and OSC just got lucky and can't write for shit...THAT SCRIPT SUCK HUGE DONKEY COCK!!!!
I can't believe OSC could be that dense...even the two other books in the series suck..OSC CAN'T WRITE ANYMORE..he should just retire..and if the stupid little anikin brat get the part he can expect a big juicy letter bomb from me in the mail..if "Magnolia" turns out bieng the only good movie this year I'll just have to start takin some suckers out.... -
I couldn't agree with StallionCornell enough..... Some of you people, who claim to be fans of OSC's work, are really quick to sneer. Most of you seem to need a reminder that writing is, first and formost, a personal endeavor that has no responsibility to anyone other than the author. When you purchase a book and read it, that hardly makes you an expert that the author must acknowledge in the future. Its his book, his characters, his story, his universe and soon..... his screenplay. As to your assessments of his writing ability take a hard look in the mirror... I think many of the posting entities on this thread need to go back and read what YOU wrote...... I have never seen such a string of inarticulate vomitous garbage in my life. The worst of it is most of you consider youselves to be in a position to even have an opinion.... guess again.....
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hi, im a real big fan of the enders game series... and im a bit worried about the movie version. See, i dont think that it is really possible to make this movie using real child actors, they just couldn't pull it off. However, there is another option. Warner Brothers has shown the world that cartoons can be serious. If you have seen the Iron Giant you would know that they make quallity cartoons that have the ability to suck the audiance in and tell a real story. Unlike disney which seems to make movies to sell toys.
I feel that to really give the story justice, make it an animated feature with a mix between classic cartoon and computer
animation. Then, it doesn't matter if you can find enough child ACTORS, all you need are the voice-overs.
P.S. - You CAN NOT take out the stiltson fight... and man... the whole "peter/valintine world take over" is to good to cut out as well! sure cut out a little, but you really aren't doing the book justice without those two parts...
anyway, thats my 3 1/2 cents.
Scopa (sorry about bad grammer) -
This movie will suffer greatly as it goes to the big screen. No movie I have ever watched has given me the nightmares of lonliness that EG gave me.
It seems that OSC created one great book and has been trying ever since to cash (cache) in on it. OSC is not the only author to do so, ie Heller, and even the mighty Star Wars franchise has become merely a trust fund for Lucas' children.
More movies, more sequels, more toys, I want my Stilson doll with real bleeding nose!
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