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FAST FIVE’s Justin Lin To Direct Arnold Fucking Schwarzenegger In A Fifth TERMINATOR??

I am – Hercules!!

This feels perhaps like the least surprising news of 2011, but Deadline Hollywood reports that a former California governor is attached to reprise his most famous movie role.

Justin Lin, who directed the last three installments of the Fast Furious Franchise (and a few installments of “Community”), is attached to direct the fifth “Terminator” movie.

I am very excited to hear Arnold remains interested. He was much missed in the last one.

But for me it all boils down to script. The first two Ts worked because James Cameron knows how to lash together phenomenal screen stories. The last two “Terminators,” both scripted by John D. Brancato and Michael Ferris (“Catwoman,” “Primeval”), failed to fry my burger.

People I’d like to see hired to script “Terminator 5”: Robert Towne. Jason Katims. Quentin Tarantino. James Cameron.

Find Deadline’s exclusive on the matter here.

 

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  • April 27, 2011, 3:45 a.m. CST

    Arnie gotta eat

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    Big, fat, multimillion dollar steaks

  • April 27, 2011, 3:45 a.m. CST

    interesting

    by FrodoFraggins

  • April 27, 2011, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Although they need to work on that Tron youth'ing technology

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    The Dude looked liked a fucking waxwork in that. Otherwise, what part is the 63 year old Flabinator going to play? Still, Arnie in a new Terminator? And maybe with Bale too? Guess I would be paying to see what they do with it.

  • April 27, 2011, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Just make one GOOD last Terminator movie

    by Red

  • April 27, 2011, 3:50 a.m. CST

    King Conan or nothing

    by alan_poon

    If now isn't the time to make an epic Conan film with game of thrones on the telly and The Hobbit in pre production I don't know when is.

  • April 27, 2011, 3:51 a.m. CST

    This should be the last part in the series

    by tomimt

    It should happen in the future and end with the Skynet sending T-101 in the past and the resistance sending Kyle Reese.

  • April 27, 2011, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Too old to begin the training...

    by Jason

    Yoda's dialogue keeps going around in my head as I read & re-read this. Though I'm (VERY) glad McG isn't back for another round, I'm not sure having Schwarzenegger back as a Terminator will work. He seems simply too old to play the part. But then again: colour and spike his hair, give him a bikie outfit, sunnies, and presumably all should be fine. But if the next film takes place during the war then ... well, who knows. Again, just happy McG isn't helming another episode.

  • April 27, 2011, 4:03 a.m. CST

    an R rating approach would redeem the franchise

    by Mysterious_Volvo

    but then thats like hoping that your drug addicted hooker of daughter will get her life together. After 20 years its not going to happen is it?

  • April 27, 2011, 4:05 a.m. CST

    How will they explain the wrinkles and sagging man boobs?

    by Ernie

    Arnie looked old and wrinkly in his cameo in The Expendables which is fine since the guy is in his sixties. However how can you explain the wrinkles on a terminator ? I said boobs!

  • April 27, 2011, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Most plausible: Arnie plays a general in the war against Skynet

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    His image, skills and memories are used by Skynet to create the Terminator sent back to 1984. But, yeah, if they do such a movie, then they should consider this the last one.

  • April 27, 2011, 4:34 a.m. CST

    "quick somebody get him another steroid"

    by Phategod100

    Arnie better hit the gym hard.

  • April 27, 2011, 4:37 a.m. CST

    Terminator 5: Fat Terminator

    by Doctor_Strangepork

  • April 27, 2011, 4:39 a.m. CST

    Termination does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    I really hope this follows on from the underrated TERMINATOR: SALVATION rather than being set in the present day again. Herc, says it's all about the script. But the first three Terminator movies could all be boiled down to the same plot: "Protectee bonds with protector while pursued by villain." That was fine for the first movie and okay for the 2nd because at least Cameron put a twist on it. But by the 3rd it was played out. At least T:S took the series in a new direction - more towards proper sci-fi. I'd rather see this new Terminator follow (and hopefully improve) on the future story in T:S than go back on some vain retread of the first 3.

  • April 27, 2011, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Arnold should play a T-800 who was sent back to the 60's

    by David Cloverfield

    accidentally. So he learned to blend in, learned human values, became it's own entity and now fights Skynet on the side of Humanity. The flesh on his metal skeleton ages just like any other human's.

  • April 27, 2011, 4:45 a.m. CST

    Hercules - Why?

    by Splinter

    Seriously - how on earth could any right-minded film fan be fucking excited about this? He's an old, wrinkled dude now. Nothing wrong with that, that's life. Them's the breaks. But why would you want to see him embarrass himself trying to play a deadly cyborg when he's in his fucking 60's? He was too old for T3 for fuck's sake. How many years ago is that? Film fans amaze me, they really do. They'll gobble up any rancid scraps they are thrown, and be happy about it. Unbelievable. T2 was 20 years ago. 20 years ago he played a believable cyborg. 20. FUCKING. YEARS AGO. Arnie, if you're reading this, or your reps are reading this - please, for the love of all that is good, don't shit on your legacy any more than you have. You are taking some TERRIBLE advice at the moment (the fucking GOVERNATOR? Are you actually serious?) - get your teeth stuck into some juicy older character roles. Come back new and fresh, like Connery did in The Untouchables. No wigs, white beard, a declaration to the world that this was a new phase - Old Connery. You're Old Arnie. Accept it. Move on to greater things. Please.

  • April 27, 2011, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Script does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    "The last two “Terminators,” both scripted by John D. Brancato and Michael Ferris (“Catwoman,” “Primeval”), failed to fry my burger." Herc, maybe you're ill-informed or maybe you're trying to create bias against TERMINATOR: SALVATION by describing it as written by the guys who wrote CATWOMAN?! It's widely known that their early script was thrown out and rewritten by Paul Haggis (MILLION DOLLAR BABY, CASINO ROYALE) and then script doctored on set by none other than Jonathan Nolan (MEMENTO, THE DARK KNIGHT). Nolan was described as 'the lead writer'. You need to get your facts straight young man.

  • April 27, 2011, 5 a.m. CST

    Will go to bed with gel in my hair tonight.

    by CodeName

    Not because of this news, but because I'm lazy.

  • April 27, 2011, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Quentin Tarantino...

    by thebastard

    Would be the absolute wrong person to write a new Terminator. The guys writing style is not what the franchise needs. A bunch of useless witty dialogue and a bunch of over-fluffed action scenes referencing films from the past. We really don't need anymore Terminators. If this were an announcement for Conan: King of Aquilonia, I would've went fucking crazy, but its not.

  • April 27, 2011, 5:06 a.m. CST

    Gran Termino

    by Con Shonnery

    Arnie plays an ageing cyborg who just wants the local punks to stay the hell off his lawn

  • April 27, 2011, 5:07 a.m. CST

    WILL BALE FEATURE?

    by BADBOYBROM HC

    Watched Salvation at the Cinema and was puzzled by the story line and didn't go much on it. Saw it again more recently on Blu Ray and liked it far more. I don't have a problem at all with McG's direction, I think he did it well to be honest and at least I can see the action and make out what's going on. The problem was the story doesn't stand up to scrutiny and doesn't make a lot of sense. The Marcus Wright character is just plain weird. Whoever wrote the script needs to have a word with themselves. On a techincal level it impresses and the direction and look of the film is flawless. The ending with the Heart operation sucked, I wonder where the story would have gone had the original ending remained with the Marcus Terminator killing everyone and replacing John Connor. Arnie is just too old now, he looked fucking ancient in The Expendables. Will they get him to act and then gloss him over with effects akin to those used for him in the Salvation segment. Further more will Bale reprise his role, I believe he's signed up for two more movies....

  • April 27, 2011, 5:08 a.m. CST

    That, and the official Terminator 2 trailers are crap..

    by theyreflockingthisway

    The all give away the most awesome twist of the film - that Arnie's Terminator is the protector this time. In the film, you assume Robert Patrick is another human protector until Arnie fires on him in the shopping mall. I do like the T2 teaser where the T-800 is being constructed though - fantastic.

  • April 27, 2011, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Edward Furlong or GTFO

    by Lee Rainberg

    Edward Furlong can loose some weight, buff up and reprise his role as John Connor or the filmmakers can GTFO just like T3 & T4.

  • April 27, 2011, 5:13 a.m. CST

    Also, can we stick to the original judgement day?

    by theyreflockingthisway

    I hate the fact they keep changing the date to keep it in the future. I'd rather they just left it at August 29 1997 as moving makes it seem like it can't be avoided, totally making "the future is not set" talk throughout the first and second films irrelevant. To get around it is simple - if the film is set in the future war then you can simply set it in a timeline before the first Terminator was sent back. If it's set in the past again then there's no problem as 1997 is still the future. The fact is, changing the date all the time simply makes the "no fate" message meaningless.

  • April 27, 2011, 5:15 a.m. CST

    A couple of things

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    First: Though Arnie returning is great, he is quite simply too old/differently shaped now. Best to just use FX like in the last movie. Or retcon that Sgt Candy crap out of existence and use him in some other way.<P> Second: Lots of us have been saying it for years, but can we just have a straight up balls out future war men on a mission movie? No more time travel, no more new terminators, just the fight for the skynet time travel device. I saw that Bill Wisher had written a treatment and I was really excited until I read the synopsis, Sarah back in it 'talking' to Kyle across time. Seems to be an irrestible urge to prolong the franchise, to the point where each film is just marking time. <P> They should finish the arc once and for all, then farm it out like csi, Terminator: New York or something. But finding even more new shit in the way of the original storyline is fucking annoying.

  • April 27, 2011, 5:20 a.m. CST

    Arnie in a T5 could work

    by Luci888

    For Arnie to be in this, he'd have to take a back end deal, as the company that made T4 went bankrupt. Even though both actors are obviously a bit older, if they can also get Robert Patrick in it as well, Arnie in a T5 could work. Both could play the 2 scientists who developed all of Skynet's AI, thus explaining why two Terminators were separately based on their voice and external appearance.

  • April 27, 2011, 5:24 a.m. CST

    Yeah, just one last GREAT Terminator

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    then let all the mcg's/bad tv film/dtvs have their way with the corpse. Just one more Cameron-inspired film, then they can have it. Maybe i'm being nasty, but having the guy from Fast/Furious on board doesn't fill my heart with hope. Then again, Fast... was a complete ripoff of Point Break, which was Bigelow and Cameron's baby, so maybe he'll do the same here..

  • April 27, 2011, 5:29 a.m. CST

    T4 wasn´t bad at all

    by Ditko

    And the direction was fine. Didn´t catch it on theaters but it was a pretty good and unexpected rental. I guess it´s cool to trash it.

  • April 27, 2011, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Much rather see Lin get to work on the next F&F movie...

    by ChickenStu

    I'd rather see them continue what they started with Terminator Salvation. I'm one of the few that actually quite liked that movie...

  • April 27, 2011, 5:37 a.m. CST

    ditko i agree T4 wasnt that bad

    by monster man

    there were some good ideas in it and i would of liked to see where they were going with that story , there are alot worse films out there than T4.

  • April 27, 2011, 5:57 a.m. CST

    i shouldn't have seen the bonus features in T3

    by zom-bot.com

    because now I only want to see him as 'Sergeant Dandy' or whatever....lol

  • April 27, 2011, 6:01 a.m. CST

    zombot... makes you wonder what drugs they're on doesn't it?

    by ChickenStu

    In what crazy parallel universe could that have possibly seemed like a good idea?

  • April 27, 2011, 6:07 a.m. CST

    Big mistake, Terminator is dead

    by Spandau Belly

    T3 killed it, T4 burried it. It's dead. I like this Justin Lin guy's directing, but I just don't care about anybody in the Terminator universe anymore. Lin should go back to that Highlander remake he was going to do or just keep making ten more F&F movies.

  • April 27, 2011, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Sgt Dandy:

    by zom-bot.com

    well, they were like 50% right with it- the concept that a soldier or someone associated with the gov't or skynet was used as a model for the terminators was fine and..well, dandy... it would be more effective to see it pan out like many fans daydreamed- that arnold is a captured resistance fighter, and the use of his likeness was actually for an infiltration mission to someone that may have known him personally and would have been fooled. (connor? or another key figure) but the voice shit, and arnold's acting and everything else about that segment...it was so bad it was like an awesome parody explanation of everything. it was literally so bad it was good- as long as it stayed outside the terminator canon. as important as any Connor is to the story, we've seen 'why' he's important now i guess- though it may water down the franchise even more, it needs to go in another direction. Surely there are other important people in the fight against skynet.

  • April 27, 2011, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Lin knocked the latest F&F movie out of the fucking park!!!

    by ChickenStu

    Give the audience what they want I say...

  • April 27, 2011, 6:14 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Nice to see some talkbackers actually man up and admit they quite liked T:S. Feel like we're in a therapy group and reached that breakthrough moment where we can 'share'... hehe

  • April 27, 2011, 6:16 a.m. CST

    Re: TERMINATOR 4 & 5 Scripts ...

    by ArmageddonProductions

    By the way, if you'd leafed through some of the associated links on that article page, you would have learned that William Wisher (a.k.a. - the dude who co-wrote the first two with Cameron) is developing 5 and 6. Does that mean they'll be good movies? Probably not. But at least it ain't the CATWOMAN guys ...

  • April 27, 2011, 6:21 a.m. CST

    HAIH! AHM SAHJENT DANDEH!

    by zom-bot.com

    that was just so weird--- someone having to come up with a voice that would synch up with Arnold's speech pattern and mouth movements, and the result was almost an offensively southern, black (?!), retarded Foghorn Leghorn imitation. "OOO- IT'S ME!"

  • April 27, 2011, 6:26 a.m. CST

    I want another Bale freakout...

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    I want to see Bale go apeshit on Arnie and then have Arnie reach over and crush Bale's skull with one hand like a fuckin beercan.

  • April 27, 2011, 6:32 a.m. CST

    Bahahahahahahaha....

    by kells

    Justin Lin? Right, this'll be greeeeaaaatttttt...

  • April 27, 2011, 6:35 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    After reading about this Sarge Candy stuff I decided I'd better see it with my own eyes... Oh my god! (see link you tube link below) That is a bizarre deleted scene - wtf is up with Arnies 'yas bossa' voice acting?! http://tinyurl.com/chd36a

  • CORRECTION The first two Ts worked because James Cameron USED TO KNOW how to lash together phenomenal screen stories. FTFY. Titanic and Avatar shows he lost interest in the screenplay in favour of the technology 20 years ago. JC, you made T1, Aliens, Abyss, T2 in the space of 8 years, films with ideas and interesting characters, what happened? I couldn't care less about a CGI boat sinking or 3D if the characters are little more than cardboard cutouts. I expect it from Bay. You showed promise and delivered back in the day.

  • April 27, 2011, 6:43 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    xen11, yeah I remember Harry's T:S review where he started off whining about not getting his usual seat and having to sit off to the side, and then about the screen being bent or something... I don't think his reviews make any discernible impact on box office. Exhibit A: he named SCOTT PILGRIM best of the year and that movie ended up competing with JONAH HEX as the biggest financial disaster of the year for the studios. Exhibit B: he didn't care for INCEPTION.. which without any kind of franchise name or sequel status to back it up still happened to take almost $1 billion.

  • April 27, 2011, 6:43 a.m. CST

    oh shit it was Candy not Dandy

    by zom-bot.com

    oh well, i'm not to embarrassed i forgot that. give me credit for at least trying to forget the whole thing.

  • April 27, 2011, 6:47 a.m. CST

    This seems about right...

    by KillDozer

    for the current state of the franchise.

  • April 27, 2011, 6:49 a.m. CST

    BAD IDEA

    by ZOMBRE

    Terminator 3-4 weren't very good Terminator movies. In T3, Once the lady terminator starting controlling vehicles with her mind during the big "T2" chase scene, I lost interest. It was like watching Maximum Overdrive with the killer Coke machine. Seeing those stupid CGI toilet snakes made the movie feel decidedly "Un-terminator" I will digress that.. The T600's were totally badass. How about casting a new Austrian bodybuilder?

  • April 27, 2011, 6:51 a.m. CST

    DEADLINE HOLLYWOOD REPORTED THIS YESTERDAY

    by BSB

  • April 27, 2011, 6:54 a.m. CST

    WILL THEY FINALLY GIVE HIM AN ENGLISH LANGUAGE VOICE CHIP?

    by BSB

  • April 27, 2011, 6:55 a.m. CST

    WHY THE EXCITEMENT ABOUT ARNIE RETURNING?

    by BSB

    Did you guys not see T3?

  • I actually loved "Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines", the female villain Terminator was very cool and that film had some great action scenes, especially the epic crane chase. I don't see how people can hate T-3, it was fine for me.

  • April 27, 2011, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Pros and Cons of Terminator Salvation

    by Voice O. Reason

    Pros: Christian Bale as John Connor. The fight with the T-800. Origin of the humanoid Terminators. The fight at the gas station and subsequent chase. Michael Ironside. Helena Bonham Carter as the voice of Skynet. Story of how Connor took command of the resistance. Cons: Not enough Christian Bale as John Connor. No reason to care about Sam Worthington's character. Anton Yelchin's Kyle Reese too different than Michael Biehn's portrayal. Future war looked nothing like what we saw in Terminators 1 and 2. Giant plothole of how Skynet knew Reese was Connor's father. PG-13 rating. Bryce Dallas Howard horrible underused.

  • April 27, 2011, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Sub Zero now plain zero!!!

    by Mel Garga

    It'd be cool seeing Arnold try and revive this thing. I didn't see T:S but count me among the few who didn't hate T3. Yeah, yeah, it was PG-13 and all that jazz but still a serviceable action flick. I do long for the days of Cameron simply because he has really high standards and so much "clout" that he can't bullied by studio suits.

  • April 27, 2011, 7:05 a.m. CST

    this is exactly what I didn't want from Arnie's return

    by Spandau Belly

    I didn't want him doing more sequels to his big roles or doing lame cameos in remakes of his old movies. It just feels lame. It's like those washed up smalltime bands who still tour doing their two hits from the 80s or something. I would like old Arnie to become like old Heston. When Heston got older and started doing stuff like Planet of the Apes and Omega Man. That's what I want from Arnie's return.

  • April 27, 2011, 7:12 a.m. CST

    why bother...3&4 were dumb films. 1&2 were smart.

    by FleshMachine

    need cameron for this.

  • April 27, 2011, 7:13 a.m. CST

    true lies 2 would be better,

    by FleshMachine

    yep

  • April 27, 2011, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Why do the studios keep giving the keys to their big franchises to so many 'meh' directors

    by KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS

    Terminator, Die Hard, Aliens and Predator... these movies used to have the best guys in the genre working on them.

  • April 27, 2011, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Justin Lin=Mostow=McG

    by Ahastings

    Unfortunately, whoever the hell it is who owns the rights to this franchise knows that a perfectly average and workmanlike script combined with a perfectly competent director (who won't let the budget go out of control) will result in a guaranteed amount of profit to put in the books. They are beholden only to boards or stockholders or whatever and don't give two s**ts about canon or continuity or anything fans seem to be interested in. It's a waste of time flogging up any interest in this franchise. It's been too completely harmed by a pair of lackluster, money-grabbing sequels for a new visionary (Nolan, say...) to come in and re-energize it. The best anyone can hope for is that some really creative writer comes in and manages to get a really cool script in under the radar. This is unlikely, however. Remember, the suits are programming this series by the numbers now and "visionary" just doesn't fit their comfortable profit machine. And Justin Lin? Does anyone think he's got enough clout to fight for a remarkable story? If Mostow and McG settled for the paint-by-numbers scripts they directed, what makes anyone think Lin will be any different? How bout seeking our moviegoing thrills in ORIGINAL MOVIES?

  • April 27, 2011, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Terminator series is fucked

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    3 and 4 screwed with the mythology so much its pretty much unfixable. Don't waste your time Arnie.

  • April 27, 2011, 7:32 a.m. CST

    I enjoyed 4 more than 3

    by ATARI

    But they both paled in comparison to T2.

  • April 27, 2011, 7:33 a.m. CST

    T3and4

    by VXXXJesterXXXV

    T3 I always felt was a decent little action movie, but lacked a lot as a Terminator movie. T4 I feel much the same way about. The PG-13 really did hurt it in my opinion. Losing the language, which lets be honest if you're fighting a bunch of robots for the sake of humanity, I don't think PG-13 language is likely. The entire thing with Skynet knowing who Connor's father is before the father has even went back was a huge plot hole. Helena Bonham Carter was at her fugliest, though I suppose for a creepy AI that works....lol. I haven't watched it in awhile, so I can't remember all my other issues, but it was far from a good/great terminator movie. I still enjoyed it for what it was, but feel it could/should have been so much more. Also I am glad that someone else owns the franchise now, because if they had went with that bullshit rumor of Skynet sending a whole army back in time, going against the whole established method of time travel in the series.

  • April 27, 2011, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Go ahead, Arnie, get this Terminator stuff out of your system

    by ATARI

    and then go make KING CONAN.<br> <br>

  • April 27, 2011, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Make it stop. Keep going with Terminator, but not with Arnold

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    The only ways it might be plausible is if we forget Sgt. Dandy, and make him a POW who escaped, but they modeled The Terminator after him while he was a lab rat. Then maybe, but other than that I don't see it, and even then.......

  • April 27, 2011, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Oh and also

    by VXXXJesterXXXV

    I am all for Arnie coming back to the franchise, but not as a robot. He needs to play the human the robot was based on.

  • April 27, 2011, 7:38 a.m. CST

    grampa terminator.

    by vulturess

    fell in the pool again. get the crane.

  • April 27, 2011, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Salvation

    by NightArrows

    I really enjoyed Terminator Salvation. I'm not beholden to Terminator or T2 as any kind of masterpieces. I really like them both, each offering a different flavour. I see that in T4 as well. I thought T3 was ok at the time, but it doesn't age well at all. That She-minator is annoying as fuck and the whole thing looks like a high-quality made for TV production.

  • April 27, 2011, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Please follow my guide to make a great Terminator

    by ilovemichealbay

    Arnold welcome back! But make sure that you ignore what happen in T3 and T4, reboot them, make the next terminator true sequel to T1 and T2 that means: 1. R rated, you play the T800 (use tron/Ben Button CGI to make you look like what you did in 1991) don't play a human, 2.Hans Zimmer and Brad Fiedel to do the score together, 3. bring back micheal behin, and Robert Patrick as T100 and not as a scientist, and 4. most important, a really good tense story that respects the ideas, themes, characters established by Cameron in the first 2 movies. Follow this guide and i will support this movie. Another thing get McG away from this and get you Buddy Jim Cameron to be involved some how, he won't direct but maybe he'll write the script/

  • April 27, 2011, 7:44 a.m. CST

    After 1 and 2 - everything else was pretty poor

    by Sniffingchimp

    I know there's a lot of love for T:SCC here but my God, I couldnt watch another episode after the first couple. "Class Dismissed" being uttered by a Terminator was where they lost me immediately. It was embarassing. T3 had it's moments, great action scenes but the humour was so off and Arnie genuinely looked pretty old already. Ending was brave though, proper downer. I think I just hated the script foremost and how the dicked with an already very established mythology. Regards Salvation, direction was fine, good aesthetic, calibre of cast - the fucking script was HORRIBLE. Marcus' character was just bizarre and unneccesary, Helena Bonham Carter as the voice of the machine/skynet???? Her likeness appearing on a computer screen representing/humanising skynet? It was horrifically bad. Like something out of a cheap TV movie. Fuck Brancato and ferris and whoever else thought that shit would pass.

  • April 27, 2011, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Fuck you Hollywood, fuck you!

    by Judge Briggs

    FUCK YOU!

  • April 27, 2011, 7:51 a.m. CST

    The T2 novel trilogy by S.M. Stirling should have been T3, 4, and 5

    by darthderp

    If you've never read that series, I implore you to check it out. Here's the skinny: 5 years after T2, a Terminator/Human hybrid is sent by Skynet to help in the development of Cyberdine, and to hunt the Connors. Along the way, Sarah and John run into Dieter Von Rossbach, a counter-terrorism expert...and the physical model for the 800 series of terminators in the films. This trilogy covers it all; Skynet's development, Judgment Day, the Future War, all culminating in the finding of Skynet's time machine and sending Kyle Reese and the Terminator from the second movie back in time to 1984 and 1995. Alas, I call it a missed opportunity.

  • April 27, 2011, 7:51 a.m. CST

    At least he's got a head on his shoulders

    by BeyondStatic

    Let's get back to the story. More character and heart than awesome FX. Sure the effects are cool, but they were in T2 also... but what made T2 awesome were things like "No Fate" and "I know now why you cry."

  • April 27, 2011, 7:51 a.m. CST

    He's a Senior. How can he be a Terminator?

    by BigTuna

  • April 27, 2011, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Haha - Bigtuna, I always thought the Terminator SHOULD be old!

    by theyreflockingthisway

    You'd never suspect an elderly person to be a future cyborg assasin. If they sent the T-800 back disguised as an old lady then I reckon it'd have much more success terminating Sarah Connor. The shoot out scenes with the police would have been a bit weird...

  • April 27, 2011, 8:06 a.m. CST

    T:S sucked bad, bad because...

    by Judge Briggs

    It was NOTHING like Cameron's vision we saw. McG shat all over Cameron's envisioned future war.

  • April 27, 2011, 8:17 a.m. CST

    I'D RATHER SEE KINDERGARTEN COP 2

    by BSB

    It was Arnie's best movie by a kilometer.

  • April 27, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Some Terminator thoughts...

    by Andrew Coleman

    If Arnold is coming back I doubt it's a future war film. The only way they could do that is using some serious CGI on Arnie to make him look young. Well that shit would suck because it stands out so much! Besides 1 & 2 each film has had major failings. T3 mainly was a cash grab with a great ending. I mean having a chick terminator could have been used differently. I mean the first terminators were made to get behind enemy lines. The next generation were unstoppable liquid monsters. Then they should have realized the next step... More human terminators. She should have used her sexuality, flirted, and only using extreme violence if cornered. Instead they gave her a gun hand and said "act like Arnold did". T4 had a lot right... What it got wrong was the "twist" Skynet knew too much and giving it a human face was a horrible idea. Also giving away what Marcus was in the trailer is hands down one of the biggest mistakes in movie making. For T5 instead I could see them using his age by having it be a time traveling story again. Having him play someone important that helps the resistance so skynet sends a terminator that looks older to simply set a trap for the resistance. The trap fails and they turn the old Arnie Terminator good. Skynet then can send a team of terminators(whatever you can think of). It's better than the one idea they had about skynet sending an army back in time... Why would do that? They already know they've won because of judgement day why tip us off to what will happen by sending huge robots back in time.

  • April 27, 2011, 8:32 a.m. CST

    I love Arnold and most of the Terminator franchise but....

    by Ryan

    ....I do feel like he is getting too old to play the part. Even in part 3 he was looking noticeably older. That being said, I don't think any terminator movie should be made without his involvement in some way. I saw salvation in the theater and the only part of the entire movie that got a reaction was when the silhouette of the cg Arnold appeared.

  • That would be sweet.

  • April 27, 2011, 8:41 a.m. CST

    TERMINATOR is a monster movie franchise

    by YackBacker

    The constant insistence of these writers/directors that there is some science fiction basis for these stories is ludicrous-- and the reason why the recent installments fail. They're taking themselves too seriously. TERMINATOR and T2 are paced/structured just like FRIDAY THE 13TH. Once someone owns up to that and makes their version, we'll be back on track.

  • April 27, 2011, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Well, he did say that he would be back.

    by Ingeld

  • April 27, 2011, 8:49 a.m. CST

    I agree: KING CONAN MUST BE MADE, DICK!!

    by Behemoth

    Terminator is a freaking mess at this point. The films, the crappy TV show, who knows what the hell is even going on story-wise? It's moronic. I got the nostalgia rush seeing Arnold's face in the Bale flick. Now, KING CONAN ... that's a different story altogether. The time is right. It could be epic. He could play his age. But sadly, if the new Conan does well, it'll obviously never happen. Probably never will either way. You pieces of JETSUM!!! I HATE!!!!!!!!

  • April 27, 2011, 8:52 a.m. CST

    You still don't get it, do you?

    by vulturess

    He'll find you! ... And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead. -or until he needs his afternoon nap. or his walker breaks. sometimes he forgets where he left it. oh and he needs his oil. twice a day.

  • April 27, 2011, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Need to evolve the concept.

    by Charlie

  • April 27, 2011, 9 a.m. CST

    Bring back the T:SCC crew and finish off that story...

    by Lamerz

    With fucking Arnold in the mix that shit would kill. Seriously that was a show killed off in it's prime.

  • April 27, 2011, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Terminator: The Burning Earth comic series

    by seagrass

    will always be the official Terminator 3 in my mind. Why it wasn't adapted is beyond me. Terminator Salvation had similar elements, but that's it.

  • April 27, 2011, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Movie trailers just get worse and worse

    by seagrass

    "Hey, let's just give away the entire film! Brilliant!"

  • April 27, 2011, 9:26 a.m. CST

    WHY!?

    by Nick

    I can't see any reason to have Arnold come back for anything more, then what he was used for in Terminator Salvation. He's too old to play the Terminator, and to shoe horn him into some type of plot, about how he was a human used as a model for the T-800, I direct you to his deleted T3 scene.... it was DUMB, and done before... fuck this series, they could have made salvation GREAT, but instead they let a 5 year old write the script, made up some dumb ass character named Marcus, that made NO sense, included a ending that made NO SENSE (heart transplant by a vet, in the desert, YAH!), and an overall plot that made NO SENSE. How the FUCK did Skynet even know about Kyle Reese, hey, why not just NOT invent time travel if you don't want John Connor to be born. The machines, for something so LOGICAL, were the dumbest bunch of bitches this side of Jar Jar Binks and Donald Fucking Trump. Fuck Salvation, FUCK this series.... the films ended at Terminator 2.... and don't even get me started on ROBOT FUCKING SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES... featuring ROBOT PENETRATION... fucking A....

  • April 27, 2011, 9:30 a.m. CST

    franchise this

    by gaygoonie

    lame.

  • It's like a bunch of people by committee trying to say, 'we can make this thing work! We really can!' T3 to me just got too ridiculous, and T4 was very much like someone's fanfiction. Marcus Wright almost felt like someone writing themselves into a Terminator story. I thought maybe there would have been some hope, but McG to T4 reminded me of what Snyder did with Watchmen: the visual cues are great...but where's the characters and story to make me care? I still say one of the biggest mistakes was actually having the future wax, er, I mean war happen. It was nice to see it in snippets as if to say, 'this could happen.'

  • April 27, 2011, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Everything post-T2 is garbage

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Hollywood forget ancient Chinese proverb - 'only Jim Cameron make good Terminator movie'.

  • April 27, 2011, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Dammit, Cameron's too busy with AVATAR 2...GET WILLIAM WISHER!!!

    by darthderp

    If you don't know the name, you should; he co-wrote Terminator and T2 with Cameron. If anyone else knows how it should go, I'd say it's him.

  • Noooooooooo!

  • April 27, 2011, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Bringing back geriatric terminator

    by dopepope

    just because it's Arnold isn't going to automatically make it a good flick. If it's another mediocre attempt, it's not worth it. It's gotta be some kind of epic event film.

  • April 27, 2011, 10:55 a.m. CST

    McG stole from me

    by Mike

    McG stole an awesome Terminator movie from me... why didn't he focus on JOHN FUCKING CONNOR... why invent a new character no one cares about only to kill him off at the end... he wasted a movie that could have been epic and its unforgivable...

  • April 27, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST

    terminator 5 needs Summer Glau too

    by luke_lymon

  • April 27, 2011, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Have Arnold be human

    by YoyodynePropulsionSystems

    And have him and Robert Patrick be the men behind the curtain, who were somehow actually running skynet, but lost control. There's no way he can be a terminator. Keep Bale, just don't write a shitty story.

  • April 27, 2011, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Arnold has to be THE BAD TERMINATOR AGAIN- MIX THIS SHIT UP!

    by Mennen

  • April 27, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST

    ..in his most famous movie role..

    by nolan bautista

    thats "Kindergarten Cop" or better yet.."Jingle All the Way"

  • April 27, 2011, 11:49 a.m. CST

    hahahahahahaha

    by Billy_D_Williams

    whenever i need my daily dose of laughter, i cruise to this site to see the latest side splitting movie news. so that lightweight studio hack Justin Lin is going make a Terminator film? Hell, McG was better suited. This will suck harder than a hooker when the rent's due. I can see it now, Lin lining up a shot and The Governator laughing and telling him his shot sucks and shows him the way Jim Cameron would do it. what a fucking train wreck waiting to happen...i dont even have to see a trailer to know how this is gonna turn out...Lin's Fast and the Furious movies were decent, but considering that franchise, thats not really a compliment...he's barely a point and shoot monkey director. seriously, fuck this film, fuck this franchise, fuck hollywood and fuck Justin hack Lin, go find another franchise to fuck up...

  • April 27, 2011, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Bad Terminator, Motion Capture Suit, De-Age technology WINNING, Duh?

    by Shaun1138

    I think the best way to bring back the franchise would be to keep it in a future war setting. Make Arnold the bad guy, and use multiple Arnold terminators hunting down the Resistance. They "real scanned" the mold from T2's teaser trailer of Arnold's body for Salvation mock up. Take that to the next level and have Arnold in a motion capture suit for the whole film. For close up shots de-age him like the effects in "Benjamin Buttons", but for long shots use complete CGI doubles ala Salvation. With Arnold being the bad guy he will not have heavy dialogue so he will not have to carry the film. Get some hard core actors to play Resistance soldiers that are more convincing than the actors in Salvation. Ditch any ideas of "Transformer" type robots that are 90 feet tall. Bring it back to the T2 future war we all remember. Shoot the film down and dirty like "Battle: Los Angeles". Last but not least, show SkyNet send back the original T800, and T1000..........then have Resistance send back Kyle, another Terminator protector. Then have Resistance blow the grid and win the war.........The End. Is that to much to ask Hollywood?

  • April 27, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST

    and i love the "yeah Lin knocked the last F&F movie out of the park man"

    by Billy_D_Williams

    like thats some sort of fucking compliment...Cameron has more talent in his right testicle than Lin does in his entire body...saying someone did a good F&F movie is like saying someone made a good Toxic avenger sequel...its diminishing returns at best. These studio hacks are NOT good filmmakers, they're point and shoot company men on the studio's expense account...like good monkeys, they simply do as they're told...its not that hard to make a decent movie when you have a good crew, but its damn difficult to make something that shows you stand out among the crowd of directors...The Terminator films are unique stories and deserve extraordinary talent...someone like Duncan Jones, or araknofsky, or Neil Blomkamp...you know, uh, actual talent?

  • April 27, 2011, noon CST

    this is reason we have such terrible fucking movies today

    by Billy_D_Williams

    is because people no longer have standards...they lick up the cum of the latest ejaculated psuedo idea out of hollywood's cock, and actually pay good money to see this trash...you shitty people have only yourselves to blame for the current sorry state of cinema

  • April 27, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Correction. The first two Terminators worked because....

    by v3d

    Cameron "borrowed" from the works of Harlan Ellison. Look it up.

  • April 27, 2011, 12:02 p.m. CST

    kevin_costners_recycled_piss

    by Billy_D_Williams

    thats what im talking about, these great franchises used to employ talented directors, now they slum it with the latest studio hack begging to stay on the studio's expense account, so they can fuck models and buy another sports car.

  • April 27, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST

    shaun1138, billy_d_williams - well done.

    by Mennen

    The real stars of those Fast & Furious films are the Second Unit Directors. Not Justin. That's simply the truth. I'm not putting Justin down - he gets the coverage with the principals while 2nd Unit takes care of EVERYTHING ELSE (essentially making the franchise what it is) - Action packed.

  • April 27, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    oh and the first two Terminator's were basically horror movies

    by Billy_D_Williams

    especially the first one...its paced and structured just like a horror movie...Duel or The Hitcher...the unstoppable, near supernatural force that just wont stop, its what made those movies work, they're horror movies disguised as action films...everything after the Cameron films are total garbage disposable action movies and they forgot what made the first two movies work. NO hope for these Terminator sequels...i just dont understand how any supposed movie fan can look forward to this trash.

  • April 27, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Agreed. He should play a terminator who was sent to the 60s

    by UltraTron

    and aged naturally.

  • April 27, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Call the movie Ol' Terminator.

    by UltraTron

  • April 27, 2011, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Ah'm a frendah sarahh connah- I wuz tol dahtsheez here- cood ah

    by UltraTron

    see hur pleez?

  • April 27, 2011, 12:20 p.m. CST

    I need jour clodes, jour boohtz, an jour motahcycul dere

    by UltraTron

    soh I cahn goh to da stohre an get mah meds dere.

  • April 27, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST

    I'd rather have the GOVERNATOR cartoon

    by 3D-Man

    Because Arnie trying to do the Terminator shtick at his age is just sad.

  • McG did for the Terminator franchise what JJ Abrams did for STAR TREK, turned once beloved and smart adventure franchises into Michael Bay type piece of shit movies made deliberatly for the most retard of minds in the audiences. McG and Abrams and Bay with his basterdization of Transformers can all go fuck themselves up in their fucking asses, the fucking hacks.

  • And throw out of the window that upstart Conan wannabe that's being made by the hack untalented director of PATHFINDER.

  • April 27, 2011, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Arnold Fucking Schwarzenegger?

    by donkingkong

    Beats being called the Governator, cool news. I think.

  • April 27, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Old looking Terminator: there's some fridge logic in that:

    by AsimovLives

    I mean, who would be scared by this old looking, pathetic once muscled now a pile of slag flesh old man? It's the perfect disguise, let the humans guard down because they are all getting too distracted by laughing so much, they forget that beneath all the flag flesh there's a near undestructable metal alloy monster killing machine who will not stop until you are dead, dead, dead. Perfect camouflage for a terminator, to go about looking like a pathetic ex-muscle boy old man. Perfect!

  • April 27, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    T - Salvation

    by HughHoyland

    It is "hip" to trash Salvation it seems, mostly because a lot of viewers eat up what the "pro" critics say about movies like good little robots IMO. I hate critics, I dont need their advice either. If I watch something and like it, I do, and if not I dont. Its as simple as that. Buyer beware. To me T-Salvation is no where near as bad as some people make it out to be. But thats just me, if someone plucked down money and in their OWN opinion thought it sucked, well to each their own. My only suggestion is they could have made it a flat out war movie and skip the whole "inflitrator" sub-plot without missing a beat.

  • April 27, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    I Guess It's Not Too Surprising...

    by Acquanetta

    ...in the sense that it's the only big name franchise he has left. Conan and Total Recall have moved on, Predator is even more devalued than Terminator, and the only person still pushing for a True Lies 2 at this point is Tom Arnold. But it's still a bit surprising, since T3 didn't exactly set the box office on fire and Arnold will be at least 66 by the time this even hits screens.

  • April 27, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    cobra--kai

    by AsimovLives

    The problem with the Mcg's TERMINATOR RETARDATION movie is that it presented the most least convincing nuclear post-apocalypse scenery i ever seen in my whole life. It only differed from today's California in that the image was a little bit more bornish, which, frankly, is not enough if you want to present a future world that's the result of a nuclear holocaust and where humans dwelt in complete misery. Worst of all, the whole fucking mvoie spetn most of it's story set in DAYLIGHIT!!! There was a very good reason why in the first two movies we see the humans fight at night, and evne Kyle Reese in the first movie says that the humans hide by night and only attack at the cover of night. It's good tactics, specially for a fighting force which is underarmed compared to the adversary. Ask any guerrilla fighter and why their attacks are mostly at the cover of night. It's not just because they like to fight at the claire the lune, because it's more romantic that way. Of course Cameron can understand such basic notions as that, but not a retard middle class fuck boy like McG who has no life experience outside of what he watches on the telly. And this is why so many movies made today by this MTV hackboys are the shit they are, because they are made by this nancyboy idiots who have no real life experience, and their movies shows. Hack fucks like McG, Brett Ratner, JJ Abrams and Michael Bay, all upperclass fucks who only know the world from what they watched on MTV.

  • It's the only positive thing i can think of in that movie. The rest was all ass!

  • April 27, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Termin-ager

    by Stalkeye

    Too Old, Too played out.

  • April 27, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST

    turd, asimov...well said

    by Billy_D_Williams

    my boys finally show up to give this thread the shot in the arm of reason and good taste it needs oh and its not "hip" to hate on T4...because it simply sucks...i dont need critics to inform my decisions, i didnt even read the criticisms of T4, i saw it and hated it, just like i hated T3 for the limp dick bad imitation of the Cameron movies it was. the post Cameron movies sucked, just like the upcoming The Thing prequel will suck...these movies are PURELY money making ventures, they dont start with good ideas or good scripts or good filmmakers like the originals...just name recognition like fucking coke or pepsi. The Terminator franchise is Cameron's

  • Hey Asi, you forgot to add PWSA and Zac Snyder to the list. You're slipping, Friend.

  • April 27, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST

    asimov

    by Billy_D_Williams

    i totally agree...today's MTV bred directors are purely point and shoot men, not filmmakers...they bring nothing to the table except the ability to dazzle eyeballs with "cool" camera movement, but nothing else stands out...moving the camera for the sake of moving it is bad filmmaking as the master Scorsese once said...today's filmmaking climate is just a fucking sad, terrible state of affairs with very little creativity...

  • MORE COWBELL!!!

  • April 27, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    the story was told with the first two

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    it was done. All we need now is the backstory of the fighting that lead up to the capture of the time machine.<P> Box office suicide in most cases, but Cameron would have pulled it off.<P> What's the deal with the time machine anyway? How can Skynet keep sending back different models? If I had the t1000, I wouldn't bother with the 800. Same with the (sigh) Terminatrix. Presumably they never regain control of the machine and it was a last ditch attempt to change the outcome, so they'd have had all models on hand? It's like both sides were there throwing men and machines back..

  • April 27, 2011, 1:14 p.m. CST

    billy_d_williams

    by AsimovLives

    My favorite filmming trick from this hack boys like McG, Abrams, Bay, Snyder, Ratner and WS Anderson is their terrible use of shaky-cam. I remmeber when spielberg and Fincher used it in their early 90s movies SCHINDLER'S LIST and SEVEN, or when Paul Greengrass brough it to a big Holywood franchise movie like his first Borune moviel and it looked really cool, and it did help gave a dramatic diomention, a sens eof imediatly that so many action movies of the time were lacking, because every hackboy bakc then was too busy rapping slow motion to death. Now this hackboys fucks are rapping shaky-cam to death, without them ever really udnerstood how to use it and why i can sometimes be so effective... when used properly, which this fucks never do. A filmmaker comes up witha cool way to film a scene, it result sin an amazing powerful sequence, hacks start coying and abusing and soon what was once cool and functional becames shitty and irritating beyond endurance. Who wanna bet with me that next all the hackboys wills tart copying INCEPTION with the zero-gravity/revolving sets stuff? I know Bay is already doing it for the new Trashformers movie he's about to shit later this year. It's to be expected from Bay, the one who be the first to fuck up a good cinematic idea to death.

  • April 27, 2011, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Terminator 3 and especially Salvation were bad enough....

    by Kevin D

    This is a terrible idea. I love the first 2 movies immensely. They're two of my favorite movies of all time. I only give any attention at all to part 3 due to Arnold's involvement. If he hadn't have been in part 3, I would act like it doesn't even exist. Salvation was one of the worst & most poorly written movies ever. While well directed, a dog could shit out a better script than they came up for that one. And now they want to get the douche who has directed Fast Five (hate that title and hate the franchise) to run the franchis even more into the ground than it already is? Wow! (and let's not forget that horrible Sarah Connor Chronicles TV show that somehow managed to last 2 whole seasons).

  • April 27, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST

    asimovlives

    by crazybubba

    you should become a movie critic. Sometimes you over do it but I like the way your mind works. I don't just blame the directors though but the corporatized Yes-man lemming mentality that dominates Hollywood.

  • April 27, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST

    v3d

    by kwisatzhaderach

    You don't know the full story behind the Ellison lawsuit. Most of the people on here do. Shut the fuck up and stop acting like you know something we don't.

  • April 27, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST

    really, WAS THERE ANY NEED TO DROP THE 'F' BOMB IN THE TITLE??

    by Witwiki50

    think of the children!

  • April 27, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    The Hack Pack!

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Justin Lin is the latest recruit.

  • April 27, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST

    My $1.50 on the subject....

    by darthderp

    Full Disclosure: I liked T3 and T:Salvation. Notice I didn't say I LOVED them. I LIKED them. Are they on par with Cameron's duology? HELL, NO. But, taken on their own merits, taken for what they are, I liked them. Yes, I know I'm less critical than others on here, but that's just me. Future installments might be good, might be bad, might be mixed bags. But the day this series will TRULY be dead (as so many of you seem to think it is now) will be the day when Alan Smithee is listed as the director. THAT, campers, is the true deathknell. And if you don't know the name, then you don't know movies.

  • April 27, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Asi does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Asi, you need to rewatch T:S my Portugese friend! About 50% of the movie IS set in night... you're obviously remembering the awesome action set piece with the escape from the harvester and the moto-terminators - fantastic stunt work, practical fx and well-shot clear action. I can see why that sequence in particular sticks in your memory. However that aside most of the film does happen at night. Also the ruined city that Worthington explores is an incredible representation of a post-apocalyptic world. I'm a huge sci-fi fan and this is amongst the v.best. Do you remember the scene where the hunter killer craft rumbles past the towerblock and the vibrations make it disintegrate like dust? Fantastic stuff. You can fault T:S for it's plot but you can't fault it in the fx and set-building depts.

  • April 27, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST

    movienut401, sequels cannot be "taken for what they are"

    by Billy_D_Williams

    the very nature of a sequel demands it be measured against the previous films, this is why i dont look at T3 and 4 as regular action movies (even taken that way they fail miserably)...i measure them against the first two films because they're sequels, by their very nature they are competing with the first movies because they're part of the canon...trying to deny this doesn't make any sense, but whatever helps you sleep at night. hollywood loves this kind of give-it-a-pass logic for their shitty sequels to great movies...they piggyback the first movies, sucking their ideas from them, then try and write it off as just some normal action movie. fuck that shit.

  • April 27, 2011, 1:49 p.m. CST

    I sleep just fine at night, billy_d; how you doin'?

    by darthderp

    I believe in my posting, I did mention that parts 3 and 4 are inferior to 1 and 2. So, yes; I do measure them up to the previous ones. Same as any other movie series; I don't deny anything. Inferior as they are, I still liked them. Sorry (not really) if that bothers anyone.

  • April 27, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST

    interview with director

    by Jubba

    http://www.theonion.com/video/today-now-interviews-the-5yearold-screenwriter-of,20188/

  • April 27, 2011, 2 p.m. CST

    I rather liked Terminator 3...

    by tailhook

    Its ok as long as you can get past the cheese they put in where they spoof some stuff from T2 (like the glasses, which was a low point of the series imo). But the Wrecker scene absolutely destroys anything in the first 2 movies action-wise. Overall, I place it after T1 and T2 but it certainly didn't stink to high heaven as... T4 and The Sarah Shit Chronicles. Those are best left forgotten. Those were just plain bad with no redemptive qualities. I know they have their fanboi's.. but thats not saying much. You can have the worst movie ever and you'll have some fanboi's that dig it simply because no one else does. And trust me, no one else does.

  • April 27, 2011, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Quentin tarentino to write?! Are you mad?!

    by ahdvd

  • In SM Stirling's trilogy of novels based on T1 and T2, he had Sarah and and teen-aged John in South America, living on a working ranch while she was ducking the FBI and training John. An ex-CIA spook, retired, buys the land and house next to theirs. He's got a beard at the start of his story arc, but, of course, shaves it the night he decides to pop over to the neighbors and introduce himself. The scene where he's coming up the drive to meet them is both action-packed and hysterical. Sarah and John take one look at him and go into kill mode. Even as he reacts to being shot at, real terminators are showing up. Fun. THAT would make a good movie in which Oak would get to play an older human rather than an old-looking terminator.

  • *sniffs* i smell the stink of bad taste... nothing in 3 and 4 destroys anything in the first two...the only thing they destroyed was any dignity this franchise once had. did you fall asleep during the last 30 minutes of non stop action in T2??? the mini gun scene? the motorcycle through the high rise onto the chopper? the chopper/police van chase? (where the chopper almost really smashes into a freeway overpass) the truck/liquid nitrogen tanker chase? all done practical by the way...these scenes comprise one long action sequence, and shits all over anything in the 3rd and 4th movie, so get the fuck outta here that T3 wrecker scene...small potatoes.

  • April 27, 2011, 2:10 p.m. CST

    cobra--kai

    by AsimovLives

    It'sd actually "portuguese". The "u" is not mute. Though it doesn't sound like you would say in english. "You can fault T:S for it's plot but you can't fault it in the fx and set-building depts." I could say the same about every shitty terrible dumb ass movie made by Bay, Abrams, Ratner, McG, Snyder, Anderson and any other hack that had a big budget to make their shitty movies. Those good production values are just a representation of the budget, not the filmmaker's taste, talent and vision. And the bloody visualization of the future nuclear apocalypse world in TERMINATOR RETARDATIOn didn't impressed me int he slightest. It's the nicest, cleanest post-apocalypse world i ever seen in a movie. i have seen bad italian Terminator and Mad Max knock-off who mannaged to portait a better grundged dirty world then the McG's fiasco. As i said in posters before, McG should had renamed his movie APOCALYPSE NICE. Absolutly nothjing about APOCALYPSE NICE, i mean, TERMINATOR RETARDATION impressed me. Nothing! not evne the Michael Bay's Transformer cameo. Nothing! A whole movie made of ass. I have a friend who is normally quite cool in his reaction to bad movies, but for TRMINATOR RETARDATION he was extremely anoyed and pissed off. I never saw him pissed off with a movie before! It takes a lot! This movie doesn't irritate me like Abrams Trek does, but man, is it stupid!

  • April 27, 2011, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Do people really want another Terminator???

    by Phimseto

    There are so many other interesting projects Arnold could be doing. A friggin Terminator rehash seems like a wasted opportunity, even moreso than the disappointing Rise of the Machines.

  • April 27, 2011, 2:13 p.m. CST

    THANK YOU RAVENLOFF!!!

    by darthderp

    I posted about Stirling's trilogy earlier. Why they didn't film that, I have no idea.

  • April 27, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST

    I liked TERMINATOR 3. The ending made the movie for me.

    by AsimovLives

    I wasd enjoying it fine as i saw them. The movie won me early with Nick Stahl's acting. Then it got the hot terminatrix who was suprisingly good at playing a terminator, Arnold played a bit too much for laughs at the beginign but it got better afterward,s and the car chase with the crane and the remote controlled cars is just damn cool. But in the end (no pun intended), it was the ending that really made me like the movie. What a ballsy ending! What balls. Of course, the movie had that type of balls to end it as it did because most of the money for it came from France and Germany (90% of the budget), with 10% from WB merely so they could have exclusive American territory release rights. Believe it, if TERMINATOR 3 had been a whole budgets hoylwood studio movie, it wouldn't had that ballsy ending. Studiop executives are too much a bunch of scared pussy asses who believe audiences are made of retard morons (the reason why Abrams Trek is as it is) and they would never agree to such an ending for that movie,e vne if it made the most dramatic sense. But the frnehc and german financers of TERMINATOR 3 trusted the director and writers they hired, as it usually happens with cinema made in Europe, and the result was a blackbuster with one of the biggest balls of brass ending ever made. How can i not like that?

  • April 27, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST

    My favorite Terminator movie is still the first, of course.

    by AsimovLives

  • April 27, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Get thee to a gym, Ahnuld

    by shran

    And do the Conan movie. That would make the most sense to me. The Terminator franchise died with McG's input. If Cameron isn't involved, any hope is dubious at best. The Fast and Furious guy? Please.

  • April 27, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Arnie can be the terminator again

    by Extr3m1st

    Since it is generally accepted that the terminators that look human are based on real live humans then this is easy peasy. Have this new terminator be based on the 63 year old Arnie. He is already in decent enough shape, I seen him the other day and he looks relatively fit. Certainly he is not someone who just anyone would walk up to and take a swing out. He is still a pretty big figure and not in the least bit fat. </p> Anyway he would have to play it evil, no yucks at all. Also even though he should get in great shape there is no reason to make him nude or walk around in a muscle shirt. Make him a Clint Eastwood type of Terminator. I know if you took the Clint Eastwood and how he looked from the movie Unforgiven and made that character into a Terminator that would be one terrifying Terminator. Arnold could easily sell that type of character. Again there can be no yucks at all. He needs to be brutal. And there needs to be a great screen play or just forget about the whole thing.

  • April 27, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Asi, dude you REALLY need to rewatch T3 and T:S. I suspect you might find T3 is rather worse than you remember it and T:S rather better.

  • April 27, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Wonder what would be the new excuse for the terminator age

    by bloodawn5

    —There was a problem at the Skynet Muscular System program, a Glitch caused me to have extra layers of grease and an older model skin. Or maybe he should be a general that was the basic model for the T-8000 triying to correct the mistake he made, when he agreed to help the Terminator program, this would be better, because if he is the Terminator again, it would kinda suck. Glad Arnie's back, but he was a racist motherfucker

  • April 27, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    My Clint comparison

    by Extr3m1st

    The reason I brought up Clint is he was pretty old already when he made Unforgiven and he was easily able to sell that tough as nails type gunslinger. Now Clint is a 10 times better actor then Arnie but in the role of a robot Arnie can easily sell that as long as he doesn't go for the cheese factor. To me that was one of the worst problems of T3. Too much humor. No more I'll be back , no PG rating. Use your fucking heads already hollywood. Make a proper ending to this series and make it was Arnie and make him an older badass.

  • April 27, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    The move shows why

    by hallmitchell

  • April 27, 2011, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Why Arnie's career was in decline in acting.

    by hallmitchell

    Boring! Come on Arnie. I am so over the Terminator series. It should of stopped at T2. Such a safe, boring and predictable move. Make something else.

  • April 27, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by v3d

    You're wrong. The statement I made is 100% accurate. And how would you know that most of the people here know the story?

  • April 27, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST

    I'm another who thought T3 was pretty cool, esp. the ending.

    by WriteForTheEdit

    And I'd love to see Arnie give it one more go, maybe deliver another great Terminator movie... But this ain't never going to happen. Just have that gut feeling...

  • April 27, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Oh, and just for kicks: FUCK YOU, AGAIN, McG!!!!!

    by WriteForTheEdit

    Hard.

  • April 27, 2011, 3:10 p.m. CST

    What's the point?

    by slappy magoo

    The best thing the first 2 Terminators had going for it was the philosophy behind each ending - you can change your fate, nothing is as written in stone as it may seem, or as you've been led to believe it is. For all the violence and grimness those films possess, the endings each feel positively optimistic. And then comes Part 3, the series and Salvation, telling you, fuck everything Cameron led you to believe. This brutal uncompromising Apocalypse is inevitable. If you're lucky, you'll die before this happens. Life sucks, get a helmet. Oh, but John Connor survives, so there's that. No thanks, let it go.

  • While I did enjoy Salvation, it didn't seem dark enough compared to Cameron's future apocalypse visions. Doing an origin story on John Connor was kinda pointless. We already know a lot about him at this stage. John Connor was sort of summed up perfectly in T2, where we see him as this old battle-hardened general at the beginning surveying the battlefield. Then when the film goes to the present day plot with Arnie as the protector, we only know John as a bratty little kid. That is the whole point of the character. He really had no proper childhood because he was groomed to be the savior of humanity since he was a little kid. The character is only potent when seen at these two extremes. We never really needed a whole teenage origin story of John Connor, nor an origin story of how he became the leader of the resistance. It is just them spinning their wheels so that they could have a trilogy, which means they would potentially make more money. Of course that backfired when Salvation was not a big hit. Now that the origin stuff is out of the way after Sarah Connor Chronicles and Salvation, hopefully we can finally get a full on future war film with an older Connor and Reese as a resistance soldier. If they can work Arnold in there as a military general working with John Connor before Skynet captures him and uses his identity as a basis for the T800 terminators, then great.

  • April 27, 2011, 4:07 p.m. CST

    cobra--kai

    by AsimovLives

    I have watched TErminator 3 3 tiems already, and each time holds pretty well. TERMINATOR RETARDATION is an abortion for the ages, and no amount of rewatching it will make it better, quite the contrary. That fucking movie is shit.

  • And so can too the FAST AND FURIOUS upstart assclown who's now hired to futher fuck up the Terminator dead corpse. The Terminator franchise, in the hands of two dumb-ass assclown hackboys who make limp wristed faggotry type of filmed entertaiment "movies". In the words of Christian Bale, "Fucking ass!"

  • April 27, 2011, 4:42 p.m. CST

    "failed to fry my burger"

    by Kammich

    when did Hercules become ArrowInTheHead? heh

  • April 27, 2011, 5:09 p.m. CST

    I only like the first film

    by Rebel Scumb

    T2 is well directed, and far from awful. But its full of dumb humour, destroys the cool paradox of the first film, and is just super hoaky in a lot of spots. Terminator 1 is a really solid scifi suspense film with a very clever paradox at its core. Works fine as a standalone film. I know thats not the popular opinion, but it is MY opinion.

  • April 27, 2011, 5:13 p.m. CST

    James Cameron, James Cameron, Jon Mostow, McG, Justin Lin?

    by zooch

    You can see where the quality dropped off.

  • April 27, 2011, 5:16 p.m. CST

    OH SHIT ASSIMOV YOU ARE BUSTED DUDE

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    HAHA. ASSIMOV WATCHED TERMINATOR 3 3 TIMES AND LIKED IT EVERY TIME. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ASSIMOV I ALWAYS KNEW YOU WERE A FUCKTARD BUT YOU PLAY IT SAFE ONLY NAME DROPPING CLASSIC FILMS. BUT NOW YOU ARE FUCKING BUSTED LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL FUCK YOU CANT TYPE IN ALL CAPS BUT I SHOULD BE ALLOWED FOR THIS OCCASION. HEY DID I MENTION THAT T4>T3? THATS RIGHT ASSHOLE SUCK IT

  • April 27, 2011, 5:21 p.m. CST

    I want to call bullshit on this story

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    It's a really bad idea. But so is the Governator so maybe it's true. And it will suck way harder than a McG film. Be careful what you wish for, assholes.

  • April 27, 2011, 5:23 p.m. CST

    McG and his shitty film crew ruined Bale's reputation

    by zooch

    Turned a once well-respected exceptionally talented Hollywood actor in a dick.

  • April 27, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Fuck god

    by CT1

    stop it just FUCKING STOP IT WITH THE TERMINATOR SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's DONE FINISHED OVER YOU FUCKED IT BEYOND ALL UNFUCKABILITY. Terminator 3? Sure, if you pretend the first two movies don't exist, then you have yourself a nice boring mediocre cringe-worthy moment filled bland "action" movie full of actors who can't, sure cool I guess if you like stupid ass shit. The actions scenes were cool too, I guess, if you manage to avoid seeing the cartoon ass characters being goofily manipulated around the practical effects and stunt. Arnold? rofl fucking really bring ARNOLD back? Have you SEEN Arnold lately? Fuck just go watch him in T3 to see how completely disconnected from "acting" he is, he's so out of "practice" it's embarassing to watch. His scenes were probably the WORST of T3 rofl come the fuck ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, I also love how SOMEHOW Kristanna Loken managed to find SOMEWAY to be un-sexy, like what the FUCK? Hot chick, leather outfit? And she FUCKS it up, she's terrible to watch and a terrible ass "terminatrix" or whatever fag shit you want to call it, just ugh, bad CGI, the Terminators look just plain goofy when fighting.. compare it to the scene in the mall in T2 with the fake ass cardboard walls, which is a PERFECT example of how the director can make something fake be dreamlike and suspenseful, to pull you into the moment.. like really? Oh hey great heres a fakeass cartoon cardboard personality cut-out chick dragging a big fake ass cartoon old ass flabby actor who refuses to go gracefully into that old night. Great, great. ROFLMAO oh yeah, and Terminator Salvage. Yeah. Yeah.

  • April 27, 2011, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Also

    by CT1

    Good call with having the actor who played Lorian in "E Squared" from Enterprise season 3 play her father too, that's really great very poetic and he brings a "lot" to the character, really really love that you got Claire Danes too, god so hot what teen boy doesn't beat off feverishly to that yummy.. delicious Claire Danes... VOMIT

  • April 27, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Rebelscumb

    by film11

    You're not alone. I dislike T2 even when it first appeared. I was expecting more of the Future War...and was pissed that it was only a brief prologue. That prologue had me expecting so much more than Furlong's high-fiving and other whining, and numerous truck chases. Always thought it was highly overrated...still do. The first film stands alone, IMHO.

  • April 27, 2011, 5:56 p.m. CST

    zooch

    by Billy_D_Williams

    lmao

  • April 27, 2011, 6:20 p.m. CST

    IT'S NOT FUCKING OVER

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    McG's allegedly "bad" Terminator film made $365 million worldwide fuckers. There's still a lot of gas in the tank. In the end, some suit is gonna take a look at this idea and say woah wait a minute, what are you morons fucking thinking? There's no fucking way we're putting a grandpa Arnold in a new Terminator movie. No. Fucking. Way. I would like to see McG do a sequel but I guess that's not going to happen since it wasn't a hit in the US. I bet it did great on DVD though. They must be trying to re-capture the old Terminator magic here, but let's be realistic! Going back to Arnold is not the answer.

  • April 27, 2011, 6:38 p.m. CST

    What to do storywise

    by TheJudger

    We've been told it's about the resistance and john Conner, but Conner will be killed by a terminator T3 reveals this. We also learned that the terminator t800 was based on a real person who looked like the t800. So Arnold cant be some guy in the future that skynet kept to study to make the Terminators. Maybe he could, and he escaped and he became the new leader of the resistance, but I just don't see it working out well. What i think would be more exciting the resistance capture and deprogram a collection of t-800. These T-800's are reprogramed to destroy skynet. Arnold might not like this, since it's not about one T-800. I think it would be cool. They all look like Arnold since there's a collective the audience doesn't know who will make it or not. Unlike men they can go all out in the fight. And get torn the fuck up doing it. Near the end there's only 1 or 2 left deep inside of skynet with reese. At the very end our lone hero T-800 is captured reprogrammed they send him into the past to kill John in the T-1 timeline. Skynet has already lost the war. This is the last ditch effort to change history. Reese gets in somehow, and skynet is blown up. Something like that

  • April 27, 2011, 6:52 p.m. CST

    No Bale fail = no Furlong fail

    by Tikidonkeypunch

    Not sure what Arnold can bring. I loved Salvation and SCC. Want to see this movie connect to one of those. (Preferably Salvation) Arnie should team with Cameron for More True Lies where he and Curtis must now keep his now retired past a lie. But when a group of his old enemies take the grand kids a la Commando he now has to reteam with Arnold(Tom) and other younger spies to get them back. Eliza Dushku as the hot young mom/daughter to Schwarz.

  • April 27, 2011, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Count me in for loving T3

    by clupula

    While I think that the first one is still the best of the series, T3 actually felt like it was in the spirit of the original, more so than T2, which just seemed to be pandering to teenagers way too much. And as everyone else has said...the ending. Loved it. It fixed my biggest problem with T2 (if they've stopped Judgment Day, why doesn't John Connor cease to exist, right then and there?), and it just seemed ballsy. The less said about the steaming pile of shit that was Salvation, the better.

  • April 27, 2011, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Why wouldn't they continue from Salvation?

    by Charlie

    I'm in the group of people who enjoyed the film. It leaves the story off not in a place that'd really be any different, or in a world that'd be any different than where you'd set another post judgment day film. So unless they were doing something earlier, or contemporary, why not just continue? Even if loosely? Also, would they really give up having Christian Bale in the franchise? Worst thing they could do would not set the film after Salvation and why get rid of Bale?

  • April 27, 2011, 7:56 p.m. CST

    BRING BACK SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES.

    by lutz

    Everyone takes for granted what really makes the first two Terminators so good was the story and struggle of Sarah Connor. For T5 bring back Linda Hamilton and bring back Eddie Furlong.

  • April 27, 2011, 8 p.m. CST

    because they wanted a "tentpole" type of blockbuster

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    Salvation had a 200 million production budget and only made $53 million opening weekend.

  • Answer? It IS NOT.

  • April 27, 2011, 8:20 p.m. CST

    James Cameron gets the Terminator rights back in 2018

    by johnnyg korrupt

    I hope to god he fixes it then

  • April 27, 2011, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Salvation made SKYNET into a fucking retard

    by Adelai Niska

    Skynet knows reese is his father with no explanation of how this info is gained. Skynet finds but DOESN'T kill reese immediately. Skynet programs Marcus to lure in JC. Why not just program to murder JC as soon he's within arm's reach? Why not let those underwater terminators kill JC if they know where he lives? Why not nuke JC's base if they have knowledge that JC will win in the future? And WHY HAVE HUMANOID ROBOTS (the ones without flesh, but that DO have giant metal skulls and arms)? Kinda tipping your hand about the whole secret-terminator-project thing, isn't it?

  • April 27, 2011, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Since we're all writing the T5 script . . .

    by kabong

    Arnold plays a 63-yr-old collaborator with Skynet who wants a younger cyborg version of himself and sells out humanity some time before Skynet sends the first Terminator back in time. <p> It will be a future-set prequel. There will be no conflicts with the other movies, because none of them will have happened yet, at least not as they later happened.

  • April 27, 2011, 10:05 p.m. CST

    T5: Geriatricopocalypse Now! and/or T5: Olde Man Terminator

    by NeonFrisbee

    Um, he's like, 63? I think maybe the ship has sailed on this one not being completely retarded. I actually kinda liked T3, though. It was dumb, but the Terminatrix was fun and I liked the grim ending.

  • April 27, 2011, 10:12 p.m. CST

    What a bad joke....

    by blackflowerX

    This should be a bollocks to god , all out hardcore war movie. Also what Terminator needs is less Arnie and more Shirley Manson...Or someone totally new.

  • April 27, 2011, 10:36 p.m. CST

    a Terminator infiltrates a retirement community

    by fanboy71

    While small lap dogs bark in disapproval. Maybe they could get Bruce Campbell as Elvis to fight him.

  • April 27, 2011, 11:22 p.m. CST

    by Billy_D_Williams

    ATTENTION: Friday, Facebook will become owner of the publishing rights of ALL your private photos. You need to make a simple change: go to 'account', 'account settings', 'facebook Ads' (along the top), then go to 'ads shown by third parties', choose 'NO ONE' then SAVE. 2 minutes job. And (for those who haven't done this yet) please share.

  • April 28, 2011, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Thank fuck the rights revert back to Cameron in

    by southafricanguy

    2018. If nothing else he will have my eternal gratitude for stopping all these hacks from making shitty terminator films....

  • April 28, 2011, 12:46 a.m. CST

    And I still cant believe all the lame attempts to

    by southafricanguy

    trash T2, sorry guys...still one of the best sequals ever made....

  • April 28, 2011, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Cobra-Kai...whats up dude? You know I like you

    by southafricanguy

    Cobra, I respect you, but seriously??!! You are going to defend that abomination T4? Cobra......you re breaking my heart man....

  • April 28, 2011, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Asi....whats up dude? Have nt spoken for ages

    by southafricanguy

    my friend. How are things?

  • April 28, 2011, 2 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by AsimovLives

    Hey friend, Not too bad, yourself? Indeed long time no chat. Where have you been? I have been around, though with less frequency then i used to.

  • April 28, 2011, 2:02 a.m. CST

    winona_ryders_pussy_juice

    by AsimovLives

    We have a saying in my country: if you have ceilings of glasses don't throw rocks to the neighbour. And i have no problem whatsoever in admiting i liked T3, because it is a good movie. And i kow it's a good movie because i'm no asshole punkass that runs after the first fashionof the moment mindlessly, like you and your gayass love for JJ Abrams.

  • April 28, 2011, 2:05 a.m. CST

    turd_has_risen_from_the_gravy

    by AsimovLives

    My favorite car chase in the Terminator saga is indeed from T2, when T-1000 chases John Connor on the water drains. However, that doesn't mean that the crane chase in T3 is bad, quite the contrary. Two goods do not make a bad. I have realised that the bashing of T3 is less to do with the movie proper, but more one of those mindless AICN geekoid bulshit stuff where people stuck to a dumb opinion and never let it go, fr fear of not being in the kewl. You know, like the stupid mindless bashing of TEMPLE OF DOOM or the dumb ass love for shitty movies like ABRAMS TREK. Shit like that.

  • April 28, 2011, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Whaaaaaa??? @ braindrain

    by Ninkynonk

    T2? Overrated garbage?? Jesus, I know some talkbacks can produce pretty harsh words at times but that is almost sacrilegious!

  • April 28, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST

    When do we get Kindergarten Cop 2? Twins 2? Junior 2?

    by v3d

  • April 28, 2011, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Braindrain

    by theplant

    Had a brain drain

  • April 28, 2011, 8:41 a.m. CST

    "Wonder what would be the new excuse for the terminator age"

    by buggerbugger

    I don't think they really need an "excuse" for why the next Arnie Terminator looks 20-30 years older than the first one we saw. In 'Terminator 5' (or whatever it'll be called), the Schwarzinator is a unit that's been involved in the future war and killing humans for 20-odd years, so its flesh is aging naturally, whereas the Schwarzinator we saw in 'The Terminator' was an Arnie unit that had been newly (or at least recently) manufactured shortly before being sent back to 1984. In other words, you could have Schwarzinators in 2029 of various ages, depending on when they were first manufactured.

  • That's the thing with time travel. Once you've invented it, you can probably send someone back through time with the schematics to build one before the original one was even built. That way, Skynet wouldn't need to regain control of the original time machine because it "always" had a second as back-up, leaving Skynet free to send as many Terminators into the past as it liked. Same for the resistance sending back protectors via the original time machine.

  • April 28, 2011, 9:17 a.m. CST

    He Could Still Be A Machine, Terminator flesh Ages!

    by FreeBeer

    ...It os made of human DNA after all, if a Temrinator is around for a while stand to reason the flesh would age

  • April 28, 2011, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Screw Terminator, Bring back Dutch!!

    by Jabber_Jaw

    I'm talking Predator Dutch... Still alive, never recovered from his run in with the original Predator. Maybe he could be brought in as a consultant by an agency tracking the predators. Problem is, Predators still have him in their data base as "one that got away" so they go back after him. He wouldnt have to be some super soldier. He could get into shape enough to make it plausible.

  • April 28, 2011, 9:40 a.m. CST

    No thank you!

    by THAT_SAID_THE_CHOPPAH

    Zero interest in this. They should have stopped at T3. That ended the series perfectly.

  • Terminator is Arnolds only good role because he was perfectly cast as a robot. Not saying I didn't enjoy watching Arnold fumble through his line readings in many of his films like Total Recall, but dude can't act. Never could and never will.

  • April 28, 2011, 10:23 a.m. CST

    From Cameron to Lin

    by MrMajestic

    Sure Cameron directed one of my all time favorite movies, Alens natch, but it's been a looooong while since he's made anything I've enjoyed. I understand the labeling of Lin as that F&F guy but you guys are either lying, haven't seen or are watching with "hategoggles" on if you're telling me that F&F4 wasn't well directed. In addition to those guys that like to claim great 2nd unit crews can make any awesome action scene just go and re-watch Quantum of Solace. To make a great action sequence you do need a great 2nd unit but a 2nd unit alone cannot make a great action sequence. Heck Brett Ratner always hires top end 2nd unit guys but his action scenes are at best adequate. Also T1 is still a great little movie, T2 is a classic but has aged, T3 was fun and had great performances by Claire Danes and Nick Stahl, TS was a piece of shit which for some unexplainable reason had them using Marcus Nispel's filters from Pathfinder and TSCC was lazy moneygrabbing on par with the Blade series. To all those wanting Summer Glau in it, why? Do you desperately want this to fail? She's Box Office poison and can get any series cancelled by mid-season. She's got that huge forehead, weighs 90lbs soaking wet, can't handle a real fight scene and oh also she can't ACT! Also Eddie Furlong won't be in it 'cause he's a junkie and can't ACT and finally Linda Hamilton won't be in it 'cause she's like bi-polar or something.

  • April 28, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST

    mrmajestic, o

    by AsimovLives

  • April 28, 2011, 11:40 a.m. CST

    what is this nonsdense about Summer Glau being box office poison?

    by AsimovLives

    She has never been the main star of any movie. she has never given a movie to carry it through onher shoulders alone. so where the fuck is this bullshit notion that she is box office poison, when in fact she hasn't never carred a movie by herself? Where does this type of bullshit cames from?

  • April 28, 2011, 11:40 a.m. CST

    nonsdense = nonsense

    by AsimovLives

  • April 28, 2011, 11:46 a.m. CST

    asi, I think he meant ratings poison because she has been on several cancelled tv shows

    by THAT_SAID_THE_CHOPPAH

    but you are right. I can't think of any movies she's been in let alone any she had a lead role in and was personally responsible for poisonous box office returns.

  • April 28, 2011, 2:05 p.m. CST

    turd, I pretty much agree with you on T3

    by THAT_SAID_THE_CHOPPAH

    but I still think it had a great ending that worked perfectly to wrap up the series.

  • April 28, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST

    T5 no choppah

    by THAT_SAID_THE_CHOPPAH

  • April 28, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    It could work

    by OSAMP1

    Instead of going the arnold as terminator route have it as arnold an aging man that skynet copies. The whole movie could be the resistance keeping arnold away from skynet. The last scene would be skynet making and shipping t-100 back into time.

  • April 28, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST

    turd_has_risen_from_the_gravy

    by AsimovLives

    Sorry to disagre with you on this, but the crane chase in T3 is not aceptable, it's damn good. Really damn good. Listen, i went to see T3 dragging my feet. I had to be convinced to watch it. I really had no good feelings about it. and the traielrs of rthe movie had been, well, not very good, to put it politely. Basicalyl, what i mena to say is that i was not expecting much of the movie, in fact, i was expecting a bad movie. and right at the first 5 minutes, i was hooked. The movie won me over. Is it as good as any of the two previous Terminator movies? No it is not, of course. I don't even bought the DVD of T3, and i have of the other 2 previous Terminator movies. I can just see the Terminator saga as a two movie deal, with The Terminator and Terminator 2. But, i have to say, though it's not as sgood, i can see T3 has a good ending to the franchise. It's like Return Of The Jedi of sorts, not as good as the first two, it's a rehash of the movies that went before. But, in a suprising move, ends up having a far more courageous ending then any other movie of the whokle franchise. And you know what? An ending CAN make a movie. A good ending does elevate a movie. And T3 ending does just that. I'm reminded of another movie in which it's ending evelates what had been a superior genre movie into a great movie on it's own right: THE DESCENT. and by that, imean the proper ending, not the american assclown one. The ending of T3 is excelent. It's unexpected, it's depressing, it's very moody, and it's the perfect ending for the movie. It works brilalntly. and yet, the ending makes the movie. A good ending elevates a movie. A movie can become really good on the merits and strenghs of an ending. It's a cumulative effect. i notice that many people seem to have trouble with that type of moive,s movies with work by having a comulative effect. T3 is that, a movie that operates on a cumulativ effect. T3 is one of those mvoies in which it's not just the sum of it's parts, but surpasses it. Becasue of that, it's cumulative effect. In fact, T3 is very much like how european and asians makes their entertaiment movies, the good ones. I related to that. Adn ironically, it means that T3 is far closer to the way Cameron himself makes his movies then what most geeks want to admit. jonathan Mostow is a filmmaker i like. He reminds me of those old time workhorse filmamker sof old, those dependable trustful filmakers who, while they never became autheurs or star directors, still they where dependable filmmakers who always delivered, and occasionally with some luck with the right material they could make an excelent movie that would be remembered for the ages. Mostow has not yet made one of those, but he could, he's so close to that. I respect Jonathan Mostow. He's a proper filmmaker, and not like that fuck ass hacks that AICn so much loves to suck their dicks, fuckasses like McG, Snyder, Bay or Abrams. T3 is a good movie, no matter how much people migth bitch against it. Time will vindicate it. How i know this? I'm the guy who knew for certain that BLADE RUNNER was a great movie, back in the day when it was fashionable even among the geekoid crowd to piss on it in their dumb ass atempt to prove how in and kewl they were (which weren't). I take my love for films VERY SERIOUSLY INDEED. I don't bullshit gladly, but i'm also aware and on the lookout to the good stuff, even if they are not the popular thing to like among the geekoid crowd.

  • I love T2 and i like T3 quite well. How you reckon that?

  • April 28, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST

    jabber_jaw : bring back Dutch

    by lv_426

    "I'm talking Predator Dutch... Still alive, never recovered from his run in with the original Predator. Maybe he could be brought in as a consultant by an agency tracking the predators. Problem is, Predators still have him in their data base as "one that got away" so they go back after him. He wouldnt have to be some super soldier. He could get into shape enough to make it plausible." I like that idea a lot. It could be the basic concept for a proper Predator 3, or if they decide to make a Predators 2, have Dutch abducted by the predators and taken to the game preserve planet. Although, this time maybe make it a different game preserve world. One that looks a little more alien than the one from Predators. Or maybe they could do Predator 3 like you describe, and have Dutch captured by the predators and taken to the game preserve world... leading to a sequel to Predators. This way, both films would have Arnold playing Dutch as the main character. Hell, while we are at it, have Arnold frozen in some cryo-pod at the end of Predators 2, due to his excellent performance on the game planet. Maybe the predators find him such a worthy opponent, that they decide to preserve him for the ages? A couple hundred years later, a group of Colonial Marines find him in this stasis pod on a seemingly abandoned predator outpost on some far off uncharted world. They awaken him, and he then works with these marines to fend against aliens and predators in Aliens vs. Predator 3.

  • April 28, 2011, 3 p.m. CST

    braindrain, you are a moron, we got it, move on! Fuck's sakes!

    by AsimovLives

  • I agree it is highly flawed, but the ending does help. If it hadn't had the ending it did, then it would have sucked hard. The crane truck chase was good, but not nearly as intense as the chase sequences in the first two films. Also, two things that really annoy me about T3: 1) Nick Stahl made up in old man make up at the beginning future war sequence. Good God was that bad. Laughably bad. Almost as embarrassingly bad as that deleted scene of Arnold as Sgt. Candy. 2) The knowledge that John Connor is killed by the very same T800 model sitting before him. Why do we need to know this? So that we think Arnold's T800 will actually kill him by the film's end because of being reprogrammed by the T-X? It just sets up more complications for whoever ends up making the next future war installment of the terminator series.

  • April 28, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    dang luci888 beat me to it

    by OSAMP1

    good stuff though. Its the only way I see it.

  • April 28, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    asimovlives, probably because your parents are siblings.

    by Nick

  • April 28, 2011, 3:12 p.m. CST

    on, and this thread needs more NNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGGGHHHH

    by Nick

  • April 28, 2011, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Schwarzenegger and Cameron together again

    by Teddy Artery

    or no sale.

  • April 28, 2011, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Number of good Terminator movies

    by Keith

    Same as the number of good Indiana Jones movies: One.

  • April 28, 2011, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Arnold Terminates California :p

    by blueant

    With his disastrous term as Governator? Makes sense to me.

  • April 28, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Just have Arnie wrestling other Terminators and I'm there!

    by Onin Solstice

    Remember the T2-3D film at Universal? Something like that, in the future but with Arnold doing his thing. Is that so hard to write? Also, we gotta Tron-ify him a little. He's getting up there. Still badass, but a bit craggly.

  • April 28, 2011, 7:11 p.m. CST

    I can't get over this

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    the same guy that spends hundreds of hours bashing JJ Abrams and his action movies is in here defending Terminator 3 directed by Jonathan Mostow. Who directed the excellent Breakdown. Now I don't necessarily hate Terminator 3, but give me a fucking break lol. It's a mediocre action flick. It's O.K., it was passable as a Terminator sequel only because people were happy that it wasn't a total disaster. So let me get this straight, this fucktard Assimov watched it 3 fucking times, a mediocre Terminator cash-grab, yet Abrams' Star Trek which was a bit cotton candyish but not too offensive causes him so much fucking chagrin that he spent virtually all of his free time in 2010 railing against the film and Abrams as if it were the end of the fucking world. I'm calling you out Assimov. All you do is pose as this high-brow film connesseur and yet here you are praising and giving Terminator 3 a free pass, what the fuck dude. You fucking tool. Eat shit and die, motherfucker!

  • He's too old to play a Terminator again, but I can buy him playing a human who the model was based on. That way they can CG the actual Terminators like they did the one in Salvation.

  • April 28, 2011, 9:36 p.m. CST

    There is no original human Terminator

    by Teddy Artery

    And besides, Arnold's too old to be the young person who would've modeled for the Terminator (that sounds a little weird, but I stand by the statement)....

  • April 29, 2011, 12:39 a.m. CST

    v3d

    by MandrakeRoot

    Your a moron who clearly doesn't know the full story behind the lawsuit. And even if it was true that he stole the story 100%, what does that have to do with making a good movie, nay, a great movie...and two of em. It's a completely different medium. As far the people hating on T2, just stop, please, for your own benefit. You are embarrassing yourselves.

  • you live in my mind

  • April 29, 2011, 2:02 a.m. CST

    lv_426

    by AsimovLives

    I liekd the knowledge that Connor would be kiled by the very same terminator that was now saving his life. It gave teh movie an emotional sting that was quite effective. Ouside of the depcition of the future war world found in the first movie, it might be the most harsh emotional moment in a Terminator movie. It's aso so darkly comic, in what they usually call Dead Baby Comedy.

  • April 29, 2011, 2:03 a.m. CST

    misterdarcy, wrong maths, dude

    by AsimovLives

    There's two good indian Jones movies: RAIDER SOF THE LSOT ARK and TEMPLE OF DOOM. There's 3 Terminator movies: Two are excelent (the first and second) and the unexpectedly, good one is the 3rd. And that's it. You are not very good at maths, friend.

  • April 29, 2011, 2:05 a.m. CST

    winona_ryders_pussy_juice

    by AsimovLives

    Listen, pussy: Abrams Trek is avery stupid and retard movie. T3 was made by people who, while not as talent as Cameron, acutally gave a fuck. Abrams and his team of assclowns can't give a shit about Star Trek, but they sure love Star Wars,. and they can stop saying in their audio comentary. Calling me out? I call you out, pussy.

  • Is that from some delected scene from T2 or T3 which is not in the movie, and thus why the hell are we even talking about it?

  • April 29, 2011, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Fuck terminator five- COMMANDO 2 is where its at!

    by Father

    I mean it. It would be great to see john matrix again, older, wiser but just as fucking deadly as ever . If done correctly, Commando 2 could be a great balance of old school one man army action, and post modern self awareness- a movie that revels in 80's style 'bodybuilders with guns' action while at the same time being full aware of how wonderfully daft the whole thing is. I would MUCH rather see that film than terminator 5- the terminator movies should have stopped at T2. So yeah. COMMANDO 2!

  • April 29, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST

    father

    by AsimovLives

    Your post was a masterpiece of ironic comedy.

  • April 29, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Arnold Shwarzenegger: Retired Extremely Dangerous

    by THE_CHOPPAH_STRIKES_BACK

  • April 29, 2011, 2 p.m. CST

    Arnold Vs Collesterol

    by AsimovLives

  • April 29, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Arnold Vs Afternoon Naps

    by AsimovLives

  • May 1, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Here's how it could work.

    by krylite

    I'd rather forget about T3 and T4. Well T3 storyline ok except I hated the "I killed you" future reveal. It could go on like that never existed. T4 , just count it as comic book backstory. The whole movie the way it was written was unnecessary and could just be a random story set in the Terminator timeline better off a book than a movie. Have the "old" looking Terminator as the 1st terminator of 3 that John Connor reprogrammed and has been fighting on Connor's side for years. The 2nd terminator reprogrammed years later sent back for T3, and the last reprogrammed Terminator sent back for T2. Makes simple sense if you think about it. Skynet's grown flesh for the T800 ages and decays, but the endoskeleton stays as strong as ever. Everyone just judges the acting look, but sci-fi by definition can account for a lot of things. Older actors have worked well in many other sci-fi movies.

  • May 6, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Older actors in Sci Fi

    by orcus

    Chuck Heston 'nuff said