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‘The Things I Do For Love!!’ Hercules Says HBO’s GAME OF THRONES Rules All Television!!

Published at: April 17, 2011, 12:40 a.m. CST

I am – Hercules!!

Edgy, violent, moving, agreeably complex, darkly funny, fast-paced, nudity-embracing and possessed of an army of compelling characters, HBO’s “Game of Thrones” is an A+ entertainment and the season’s best new series. I wager it may even end “Mad Men’s” long reign as Emmy’s best drama.

Let me go a step further. So far I’m enjoying it more than Peter Jackson’s excellent “Lord of the Ring” movies.

Adapted from the “A Song of Fire And Ice” novels by George R.R. Martin by “25th Hour” novelist David Benioff (who screenwriting efforts include “Troy,” “Stay,” “The Kite Runner and “X-Men Origins: Wolverine”) and “Lucky Wander Boy” novelist D.B. Weiss (who has written unproduced screenplays for “Halo,” “Ender’s Game,” a “They Live” remake and an “I Am Legend” prequel).

Those writing the latter half of the first 10-episode season include Martin himself (no stranger to TV; his background includes the 1986 revival of “The Twilight Zone” and a long stint scripting CBS’ “Beauty and the Beast”) and Jane Espenson (whose eclectic resume includes “Deep Space Nine,” “Gilmore Girls,” “Battlestar Galactica” and four TV series created by “Buffy The Vampire Slayer” mastermind Joss Whedon).

Though it was widely reported that filmmaker Tom McCarthy (“The Station Agent,” “Win Win”) was hired to direct the pilot, McCarthy (himself part of the HBO family via his acting role on “The Wire”) is credited only as a producer. HBO mainstay Tim Van Patten (“The Sopranos,” “The Wire,” “Deadwood,” “Rome,” “The Pacific,” “Boardwalk Empire”) is now credited with directing the pilot.

While the books are widely compared to “Lord of the Rings,” HBO’s “Thrones” reminds me more of “Dune,” with its feuding “houses” and sweeping political bent augmenting the strange vistas. Like the “Rings” movies, the series boasts eye-widening visual design and effects, starting with the beautiful animated map of Westeros that forms the series’ opening titles.

It may remind viewers also of HBO’s “The Wire” with a staggering (and swelling) number of characters that will challenge those viewers to pay attention to dialogue that connects everything. And it reminds a bit of “Mad Men,” with its repeated reminders that things were done differently Back Then.

The pilot launches all manner of intriguing plots, among them:

* A deserting guard at the northern edge of the fictional kingdom Westeros (the chunk they aptly call Winterfell) claims to have survived a slaughter perpetrated by a race unseen for thousands of years.

* The longtime King’s Hand (presumably King Robert’s chief of staff) has unexpectedly met his end, an end possibly precipitated by the family of Robert’s hot queen Cercei (Lena Headey), the lusty and duplicitous House Lannister.

* It’s suspected the king (Mark Addy, a long way from “Still Standing”) is traveling north to ask Ned Stark (Sean Bean), the king’s old friend and lord of Winterfell, to relocate south to serve as the king’s new Hand.

* The disdainful and very blonde Prince Viserys Targaryen III (Harry Lloyd), whose family long ago conquered Westeros, hatches an unsavory plan to retake Robert’s empire after 17 years in exile.

* House Stark stumbles upon a litter of orphaned dire wolves, much cuter than their name implies.

For their part, HBO execs are said to be so pleased with the results they’re poised to announce a second season come Monday morning.

Time says:

… Thrones is unsentimental and often brutal. It's also shaping up to be the most immersive grownup adventure TV has produced since Lost. …

TV Guide says:

… the real magical wizardry here lies in the rich storytelling, embroiling a bounty of memorable characters young and old in a fatalistic free-for-all of dynastic mayhem. …

Entertainment Weekly says:

… Game of Thrones has had a lot of advance hype for being full of sex and violence, and I don’t want to deny the pleasure those things can bring us in entertainment. But the sex ’n’ violence is also better grounded in plot and motivation than in other recent TV efforts such as The Borgias and Spartacus — that’s where working with quality source material helps a lot. …  

The New York Times says:

… In a sense the series, which will span 10 episodes, ought to come with a warning like, “If you can’t count cards, please return to reruns of ‘Sex and the City.’ ” …

The Los Angeles Times says:

… a great and thundering series of political and psychological intrigue bristling with vivid characters, cross-hatched with tantalizing plotlines and seasoned with a splash of fantasy. … quickly finds that rare alchemy of action, motivation and explanation, proving, once again, that the epic mythology remains the Holy Grail of almost any medium.

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette says:

… Save your TV time for HBO's far superior fantasy "Game of Thrones" …

HitFix says:

… trying to do for the fantasy genre what the classic HBO dramas did for cops, cowboys and wiseguys. And for the most part, it works - stunningly well. …

TV Squad says:

… This tale of knights, kings and spectral threats is, in general, well acted by an able cast, and once the medieval-flavored story of courtly maneuvering and moral ambiguity gets into gear midway through the season, much of what works about the novels begins to work in the show. …

The Boston Globe says:

… manages to meet its soaring expectations. Indeed, “Game of Thrones’’ is worth every single line of effusive blog geekery and promotional buzz it has elicited in the past year. You may not be a fantasy lover. You may have found “The Lord of the Rings’’ as enthralling as the front of a box of Lucky Charms. But there is something even for you in this epic. …

USA Today says:

… It's hard to imagine a better screen transfer than this HBO series …

The Hollywood Reporter says:

… the hype was right and the wait was worth it. … It's difficult to single out the most accomplished parts of "Thrones." The ambition is immense, the fantasy world exceptionally well-conceived, the writing and acting elevating the entire series beyond contemporaries like "The Borgias" and "Camelot," and the visual appeal continues to surprise with each episode. …

Variety says:

… Perhaps not in Westeros, but in this realm backstabbing can make for inordinately rewarding drama. And as much as sci-fi and fantasy fans love to grouse and nitpick, HBO, by enlivening the spring with 10 hours of genuinely epic television, has given them almost no cause for discontent. …

9 p.m. Sunday. HB0.

 

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  • April 17, 2011, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Most grown up adventure since Lost?

    by _Venkman

    That almost makes me not want to want this show. That said, I will illegally download it tomorrow night,

  • April 17, 2011, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Wonder if HBO will allow all the incest stuff

    by pollaxt

    Kind of important to the book.

  • April 17, 2011, 1 a.m. CST

    pollaxt

    by Hercules

    wonder no longer. HBO allows it, and how.

  • April 17, 2011, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Brutality is fun?

    by Dreamfasting

    HBO goes too far into gratuitous violence for my tastes. I had high hopes for Rome but found it just went beyond what my stomach could handle. So this review makes me nervous.

  • April 17, 2011, 1:21 a.m. CST

    gratuitous violence?

    by Titus05

    that's what makes HBO so great...no holds barred...real...gritty...you want PG rated programming stick with 'How I Met Your Mother'...HBO and AMC to a lesser extent are the 2 best channels on television precisely because they show you raw, uncensored TV...that being said I do feel that HBO does show excessive sex, swearing and violence just because 'they can' and to be salacious versus fitting into the larger context of the story

  • April 17, 2011, 1:25 a.m. CST

    so excited!

    by rimorob

    I started reading the the first book in preparation for the show and haven't been able to stop. The casting is fantastic and all the clips I've seen have got me salivating for more! Murder, intrigues, power struggles, and some of the most jaw-dropping twists. The books have serious balls and it looks like the showrunners aren't afraid to use them.

  • April 17, 2011, 1:28 a.m. CST

    HBO MAKE IT MORE AVAILABLE!!

    by maxin n relaxin

    i would absolutely buy this show on itunes or amazon or even on its own website! i understand the need for a fee and im more than willing to pay for it but i refuse to have cable anymore since i only care for a couple shows anyway. so im forced to torrent it. your loss HBO.

  • April 17, 2011, 1:44 a.m. CST

    looking forward to it

    by lostboytexas

    bring on the incest or whatever

  • April 17, 2011, 1:51 a.m. CST

    You can't compare GOT to Lost or Lord of the Rings

    by 2LeggedFreak

    It is its own beast and what a beast. Rule 1) Never ever get to attached to any one character---nobody is safe. Thats what makes it so great---you get a real sense of danger in this show because the heroes are just as likely to die as anybody else. There are no miracle Deus ex's--- if you get into trouble in this show--then you very likely don't get out of it. Place your bets as to who will be left standing at the end of all this carnage.

  • April 17, 2011, 2:04 a.m. CST

    How much have you seen Herc?

    by librarylad77

    How much have you seen? Have you read the books? Some reviews I've read say that episodes two and three are a real drag and that the show doesn't really take off until episode 5. As someone who's addicted to the books I'm worried that viewers won't have the patience to sit through the early exposition-heavy stuff. Any thoughts?

  • April 17, 2011, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Lord of the RING

    by BandysTract

    Songs of Fire and Ice

  • April 17, 2011, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Really hoping not to be disappointed by this!

    by jedimast3r

    Can't wait.

  • April 17, 2011, 3:04 a.m. CST

    some fucking great TV lately!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    The superlative Boardwalk Empire has just ended it's first season run here in the UK and it was just awesome stuff, now I am greatly anticipating GOT to fill the void.

  • April 17, 2011, 3:06 a.m. CST

    @bandystract

    by SH5000

    Yep - saw the same thing... Journalism 2011..

  • April 17, 2011, 3:41 a.m. CST

    This and Camelot need to be on itunes

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Silly that they aren't. I'd buy them even for an inflated price.

  • April 17, 2011, 4:16 a.m. CST

    The Skin Trade

    by Vincent OBrien

    Looking forward to this though it doesn't hit our shores until Monday night. I also love George Martin, if you like him try and track down his Novella "The Skin Trade" awesome story that would make a great film.

  • April 17, 2011, 4:45 a.m. CST

    Vincent2712

    by 2LeggedFreak

    And don't forget Fevre Dream --- Classic

  • April 17, 2011, 4:52 a.m. CST

    The closest comparison ain't Dune

    by newc0253

    'Game of Thrones' is HBO's Rome in a medieval, sword minus sorcery setting.

  • April 17, 2011, 5:13 a.m. CST

    Mark Addy

    by Doctor_Strangepork

    is incredible. Compared to his dramatic work, it's like that sitcom he did takes place in a weird parallel Mark Addy dimension. Be sure to check out Part 3 of the Red Riding Trilogy for more top shelf dramatic Mark Addy.

  • April 17, 2011, 5:22 a.m. CST

    AMC self censored?

    by Avengerdude

    Titus05: while AMC's TV is excellent, there is never any nudity or bad language. Lots of violence, however. Any idea why that should be? HBO and Showtime never have any trouble with this. Really looking forward to downloading Game of Thrones. This and Doctor Who coming back all in one week: this TV geek is feeling spoiled.

  • April 17, 2011, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Camelot

    by Extr3m1st

    I watched the 1st episode and was thoroughly underwhelmed. Any of you guys like it? I thought Eva Green, as hot as she is, played her character way over the top. And the kid who plays Arthur? Just ruins the show for me. Even JF as Merlin doesn't play right for some reason. IMO anyway. </p> I can't wait for GOT and the new Who season. Gonna be glorious..

  • April 17, 2011, 7 a.m. CST

    Favorite books

    by WerePlatypus

    But I have to wait a while to see this. I also wish HBO had some kind of streaming option.

  • April 17, 2011, 7:07 a.m. CST

    by Omar B

    Winter is finally here I think. I'm totally prepared, reread the first book last weekend so it's all fresh in my head.

  • April 17, 2011, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Been looking forward to this...

    by Yeti

    for quite some time.

  • April 17, 2011, 7:41 a.m. CST

    There'd better be some fucking magic

    by Stormwalkers

    I see the word 'fantasy' used to describe this - I want magic. I am still reeling from the blue balls I suffered at the hands of the Sam Neil Merlin. Is there magic?

  • April 17, 2011, 7:54 a.m. CST

    We don't need no steeenkin magic

    by Motz

    GOT is all about being the anti-cliche of fantasy novels. There was magic. There were mystical creatures and magic users hundreds to thousands of years ago in the Westeros lore, but as of S1E1 of the show almost everyone believes the creatures and powers have faded away and gone extinct. Whether that remains true... you have to watch or read to find out. But unless you pop in a copy of the Harry Potter films between every GOT episode I suspect your balls will remain quite smurfed for the bulk of the season.

  • April 17, 2011, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Major Problems with Camelot

    by SunTzu77

    1) Arthur is too effeminate. <br> <br> 2) With all the sorcery and magic in the series... why demystify Excalibur as being a regular sword and the Lady of the Lake being merely a dying blacksmith's daughter?

  • April 17, 2011, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Saw the first few episodes of "Game of Thrones."

    by SunTzu77

    The costumes... the politics... the acting... all top notch. I *highly* recommend it.

  • April 17, 2011, 8:30 a.m. CST

    I know it's gotten good reviews, but it just looks so silly

    by MrEkoLetMeLive

    I have a very hard time with things that fall in the fantasy realm. Swords and dragons, and people speaking in big sweeping descriptive monologues just make me laugh.

  • April 17, 2011, 8:50 a.m. CST

    mrekoletmelive

    by Charlie_Allnut

    Forget all your previous notions about fantasy. There is very little magic, and dragons aren't really a factor until around the third book (and even then they are merely a plot point, not a central theme). Think less fantasy, more War of the Roses.

  • April 17, 2011, 9:19 a.m. CST

    The magic skeptics

    by gooseud

    For those who are like "I want magic, dammit!!", Martin spends the entire first season mocking you for even suspecting that magic could exist in such a grim and gritty setting, dont you know magic died out a long long time ago? Or..........maybe you can read the very last paragraph of the first book, when Martin says "Did you think there wouldnt be magic????? SUCKAAAAS!!!!"

  • April 17, 2011, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Silly?!?!?

    by gooseud

    Dude, trust me, this stuff is many things, but silly aint one of them.

  • April 17, 2011, 10:04 a.m. CST

    HBO's gratuitous violence

    by gooseud

    If you didnt like Rome, or have a weak stomach for challenging topics, this IS NOT the show for you. Unless you like bloody violence, incest, underage princesses getting the Traci Lords treatment (although I'm fairly sure they will fudge her age or just be vague about it), heroes dying embarrassing, humiliating deaths, kids getting tossed off buildings, and lots of dwarf sex, this probably isnt the show for you.

  • April 17, 2011, 10:19 a.m. CST

    It can sometimes be a bit silly...

    by ClancyWiggum

    I re-read the books last summer, and they can actually be quite silly at times. But there is true awesomeness here, I can promise that, and while I do find the experience of reading the books slightly uneven, I am looking fowards to the show. Watch out for the line Herc quotes in the header of this article - that's going to show up in the pilot, I think. Where the story goes by the end of the season... let's just say I can't wait to see where Aidan Gillen takes his character - he is as perfectly cast as Sean Bean is in this.

  • April 17, 2011, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Gratuitous nudity and swearing on HBO

    by mypalfish

    I'm on the fence whether to give this a shot. IMO, too many times HBO shows have 500 F bombs an episode when it's not necessary and nudity when it's not necessary. Heck, even Mildred Pierce had nudity that was not close to essential to the story and was there just because it's HBO and that's what they do, I guess.

  • Which I admit is like saying it has less water then the ocean :) Seriously though, I can pretty much guarantee even without having seen the show that f-bomb usage will be at a minimum. It simply wasn't used much in the books. On occasion, yes, but fairly rarely. The nudity does seem to be there fairly often and perhaps a tad more then in the books. But all the decent reviews I've read seem to suggest that it is rarely gratuitous. Everyone with doubts just needs to watch the first 2-3 episodes. If you still don't like it after that, you won't like it and so be it. You may not love it either, but if you are still on the wall at that point I recommend hanging around till episode 5-6 before turning away. I hear that's when the series really kicks into high gear.

  • April 17, 2011, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Looking forward to this

    by honavery

    And have been since I heard they picked it up over a year ago. I'm working my way through book 4 now. The first 3 were great. That being said, I've been a little disappointed in the last few HBO series I've watched. The Pacific and Treme were just Ok (although I will be watching Season 2 of Treme as David Simon has earned that) and I did not care for Boardwalk Empire and gave up on it 6 weeks in (although I seem to be in the minority on that opinion). Don't have cable anymore though. And HBO doesn't make these legally available anywhere. Unbelievably this hasn't appeared to have leaked. So it's torrents for me around 10:30pm tonight. I believe they screened the first 6 for critics.

  • April 17, 2011, 10:43 a.m. CST

    I just watched the first 3 episodes, this show is SO FUCKING COOL!

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Medieval done right! Sex done right! Drama done right! Acting done right! Characterization done right! Plotting done right! Setting done right! Violence done right! Action done right! Television done right! Hell, this is cinema done right! HBO has begun a new era. I demand a third season!

  • April 17, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST

    I'm getting kind of jazzed, tbh.

    by blackwood

    Having given a weak pass at A GAME OF THRONES several years ago and begging off early on, I didn't think I would be all that into this. But I'm started to get caught up. I've grown really sick of magic-heavy, orc- and elf-infested, sexless, bloodless fantasy. I like the stuff I've heard about magic in this world, there but marginalized, so maybe it remains special. I like that it doesn't seem as toothless as a lot of 'mainstream' fantasy. Here's hoping.

  • April 17, 2011, 10:50 a.m. CST

    HBO - the Hot Booty Often network

    by MrMysteryGuest

  • April 17, 2011, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Ext3m1it, re: Camelot

    by Rebel Scumb

    I've been watching Camelot, but its so far not very good. Eva Green is the only watchable part for me, not just because she's gorgeous, and nude in the first 2 episodes. but she's the only main character who: -is well acted, and properly cast -has interesting motivations -is more or less accurate to the arthur legend -has some degree of good writing for her character They've managed in 4 episodes to render Arthur, Guinevere and Merlin all completely unlikeable. All 3 of which are also horribly miscast and poorly written. I'm about 1 episode away from giving up on the show entirely, or at the very least just skipping all the non-Eva Green scenes.

  • April 17, 2011, 10:55 a.m. CST

    suntzu77, re: magic/lack of mysticism...

    by Rebel Scumb

    That bothers me to. The show can't seem to decide if its a gritty realistic take on the era, where the myth is based on real events and interpretted as magic, like the lady in the lake that you mentioned. Or if its actually magical fantasy Why go to all that trouble to come up with an alternate explanation of the lady in the lake, but then incorporate Merlins magic fire and ice as a means of setting it all in motion? It was also contrived and obvious where that story was headed from the get go. Plus why did he kill them? Another huge problem is that Arthur is just a passive observer in his own rise to power. He's basically a puppet, with no real desire or ability to become king. Except that once an episode he makes a speech. The actor playing Kay would of been a better choice for arthur. But still the scripts need to be a LOT better than they are.

  • April 17, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Ok, you guys convinced me

    by MrEkoLetMeLive

    I'll check it out

  • April 17, 2011, 11 a.m. CST

    Not to say we didn't tell you all

    by skycrapper

    But told you all.

  • April 17, 2011, 11:19 a.m. CST

    BluRay box set

    by DanboJohnJ

    Let me know when it's out so i can overdose on a 10 hour marathon. Can't wait.

  • April 17, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST

    avengerdude

    by Titus05

    the reason AMC is more 'censored' is because it's not a premium cable channel like HBO, Starz, Showtime etc...HBO has no advertising so they don't need to rely on that revenue and keeping advertisers happy...AMC does have bad language, just not as much as HBO because they have commercials

  • GRRM is a huge fan of historical fiction and used the English War of Roses as the loose inspiration for his story (at least on the Westeros side). The lack of magic however comes I believe from Marin's higher interest in political maneuvering moreso than wizards using their gifts as a "get out of tight spot free" card. That said, having read the book series last Spring, I am super psyched for this and all of you should be too. It has all the fantastic elements of an HBO series and I urge non-fantasy not to shy away. If by the fourth or fifth episode you're not completely hooked I'll be astounded (although I was hooked by the time I had heard the line "The things I do for love.".

  • April 17, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Genderblender

    by honavery

    The first season is in the can. (10 episodes) We'll see what happens. HBO more than anyone else is known for sticking to their guns. This show looks like it cost a fortune, so it may only get one more season. There are actually several very interesting female characters that play a primary role in the later books so they won't have to retool in that way I think.

  • April 17, 2011, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Been crying all week because we dont have HBO

    by Turingtestee

    I come home from work friday and my wife tells me that we have a free hbo weekend and that she had already set GoT to record. I love this woman. I plan on watching the episode and sometime next week starting on the books.

  • April 17, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    HBO "sticks to their guns"...

    by blackwood

    unless those guns are six-shooters on the hip of Seth Bullock. DEADWOOD was murdered. I like HBO, and I have deep respect for a channel that has given many super expensive, wonderful-but-ratings-challenged shows a second season to 'finish' (ROME, CARNIVALE), but DEADWOOD was just outright killed, and that makes me bitter.

  • April 17, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST

    My daughter Arya is suddenly going to have the coolest name in school!

    by BiggusDickus

  • April 17, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Torrenting

    by fitzcarraldo2

    I don't have cable but absolutely want to see this. I would happily pay a reasonable fee to download it, but can I? If not then it's bittorrent.

  • You do realize half the chapters in the book are written from the view of female leads, right? You might not want be making such illogical, uninformed statements. Oh wait, I forgot what site this is...

  • April 17, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST

    FYI

    by NoQuarter

    GRRM's blog says that HBO is free this weekend for most people with cable. You fuckers better be watching!

  • April 17, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Sean Bean

    by fitzcarraldo2

    What's up with Sean Bean anyway? He's in great stuff like GOT and LOTR and yet the other day I saw him in an awful Syfy flick called The Lost Future. The guy's all over the place. He has a narrow acting range but he's damn good within that range.

  • April 17, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Eva Green is the only thing good about Camelot.

    by Thanos0145

    Who thought hiring a Twilight kid to portray Arthur was a good idea? He's horrible and why did the showrunners make the character an unlikable douche.

  • April 17, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Now looking forward to this.

    by AnnoyYou

    I was annoyed by the terrible casting of Jamie Laninister and especially Jon Snow (I know I'll never warm up to the actor - he's totally unlike the book character), but now, after seeing a couple of clips, I know Bean, Dinklage and Aidan My only regret is that Bean will exit after this season and that there will be no one to take his place in the story. Oh - and I also think Headey's Cersei is being played much, much too sympathetically. Cersei is a monster and totally crazy in the books - Headey looks much too composed and rational, which is a change I don't think I'll like.

  • April 17, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Er, meant to say...

    by AnnoyYou

    ...that Bean, Dinklage and Gillen will save this series.

  • April 17, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST

    GoT: Punching you in your shit and making you love it

    by RemorselessEatingMachine

    If you haven't read the novels and have no idea what this is about - watch the fucking show, you will not regret it.

  • We NEED an epic premium cable space saga. I'd also been down with them adapting the Kushiel series.

  • April 17, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Salon.com calls out the Times on GoT . . .

    by Man in Suit

    Zoeller-Seitz dissects the ridiculous New York Times and Slate reviews of the show. It's a good read. http://www.salon.com/entertainment/tv/game_of_thrones/index.html?story=/ent/tv/feature/2011/04/16/game_of_thrones_review_of_reviewers

  • April 17, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    [dioxholster], the copy I saw had an annoying HBO watermark.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    I'm assuming it was a DVD copied version that journalists get to review. Totally illegitimate. Seeing stuff before most people doesn't really excite me, however, in this case, I did not turn down the opportunity. I can't wait to see this in HD. I know a guy that gets his hand on this kind of stuff all the time. I'm pretty sure that everything he does is illegal, yet he doesn't have any money. He breaks the law for entertainment, not for profit.

  • April 17, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Did Genderbender Just Get Pwned?

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    Yup. And rightfully so. Try reading the books, you silly manwoman.

  • April 17, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Seriously, HBO...

    by PhineasFlynn

    Don't bitch-slap GoT like you did Carnivale.

  • April 17, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    It's the Boromir Show!

    by Orionsangels

  • April 17, 2011, 3:59 p.m. CST

    ccon99- Thats pretty cool

    by theGoldbergV

    and I'm gutted about JFC too. Being British, we don't get HBO (although we have now got Sky Atlantic, with is basically HBO with Weeds) so I picked up JFC on DVD. Its fantastic, so gutted it got canceled. That one stings almost as much as Deadwood. Looking forward to Luck from Milch. Anyone know if that starts this year? And us UKers get GOT tommorrow. Looks good, although I do wonder why all fantasy is set in a world where barber shops and razors don't exist

  • April 17, 2011, 4 p.m. CST

    *and Carnivale- that stings too

    by theGoldbergV

    I think if Carnivale had gone the full 6 seasons it would be heralded as a modern masterpiece akin to The Wire.

  • April 17, 2011, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Don't have HBO...where online could I find GoT?

    by superman76

  • April 17, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Subscribe to HBO you pathetic turd.

    by Scrotisauris

  • April 17, 2011, 4:55 p.m. CST

    gonna be a great show

    by JaredP

    i love HBO

  • April 17, 2011, 4:57 p.m. CST

    lena headey

    by JaredP

    can't wait to see her naked

  • April 17, 2011, 5 p.m. CST

    "I didn't like it. There were no Stargates in it. Anywhere. None at all."

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    - dioxholster.com

  • April 17, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST

    HBO Free Pass Weekend

    by Duchess

    For those of you complaining about having to torrent or find this series online, this weekend is a free pass weekend for HBO on the majority of cable providers across the US. Granted this is only a short term solution, but its better than nothing.

  • April 17, 2011, 5:32 p.m. CST

    The deal with camelot is....

    by Chest_Rockwell

    this. I figured it out after the 2nd episode. You can't watch it expecting the "story" you saw in Excalibur, or any of the other incarnations of the story. Constantly comparing it to the other variations over the years, you'll conclude "this sucks" because it doesn't really fit with what you were expecting. Just take it for what it's worth, as a story about a king trying to rise to power, threatened by all sorts of other possible power usurpers. I think once you do that, it makes it a more ejoyable series. Not quite spartacus good (yet, who knows, spartacus wasn't great until the latter half of the season, especially the finale), but it's not utter crap.

  • April 17, 2011, 5:36 p.m. CST

    librarylad77

    by Hercules

    I've not read the books but I've seen the first six episodes and I can tell you the second and third installments in no way drag.

  • April 17, 2011, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Genderbender is a tard

    by gooseud

    Hey gender, guess what? By the time the end of book 3 rolls around, the readers have realized that the people that you THINK are the heroes of the story arent, and all this time, the REAL true hero of the story, the classic architypical hero who is kicking wholesale ass by the truckload......is a chick. And a hot one at that, who likes to get laid, WIN. Martin is ten years ahead of you, bro. Next time read the books first.

  • April 17, 2011, 7 p.m. CST

    Lena Headey

    by tailhook

    What non-network stuff *hasn't* she been naked in? I'd be more surprised if she actually kept her clothes on.

  • April 17, 2011, 7:05 p.m. CST

    That salon.com reviews review...

    by JonQuixote

    ... is a wonderfully written piece of rebuttal journalism. I couldn't help but recoil a bit at the NYTimes article when I read it earlier today; nothing is for everyone, and you know what they say about opinions and assholes (most really stink) but it seemed patently misguided.

  • April 17, 2011, 7:26 p.m. CST

    In Jamie Lannister's defense ...

    by Itchy

    if my sister looked like that, I'd fuck the shit out of her too.

  • April 17, 2011, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Is it like Rome, True Blood, and Spartacus?

    by tbransonlives

    You know, softcore with gratuitous violence? Is it genuinely worth watching becuase of the story and characters?

  • April 17, 2011, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Gotta admit ... I was skeptical

    by Itchy

    but that was fucking-A great. It's like they went right into my brain and filmed the scenes as I envisioned them while reading the books. Promising start and a great place to end Episode 1.

  • April 17, 2011, 9:38 p.m. CST

    gooseud- Who are you talking about?

    by Cartagia

    Having read the books myself, I keep seeing your description, and I thought I knew who you meant, until the bit about "chick who likes to get laid". I assume i know who you mean there, but I'd not consider her the archetypal hero AT ALL. A "good guy" yes, but the archetypal hero? Not to me. As for the show? Flat out loved it.

  • April 17, 2011, 9:42 p.m. CST

    I see they added cursing...

    by Judge Briggs

    Don't remember the f-bomb being thrown around in the books? Not that I care... Just finished the 3rd book... **********SPOILER***************** I about shed a tear when Ghost came out of the woods for John...

  • April 17, 2011, 9:50 p.m. CST

    HBO replaced director Tom McCarthy with Tim Van Patten?

    by Powers Boothe

    Anyone know why? How much did McCarthy film?

  • April 17, 2011, 9:57 p.m. CST

    omg it SUCKED.

    by DrPain

    It's a boring soap that uses incest as drama? Maybe I'll catch next weeks, but I didn't see what's so damn great about what the critics say above, and I just can't buy Mark Addy as a king. I'll stick with Spartacus.

  • April 17, 2011, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Thor review up at CBR too

    by OutsideChance

    http://tinyurl.com/3ejukxs. Ain't it old news strikes again!

  • April 17, 2011, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Great 1st ep considering...

    by Whedon

    The amount of characters and "world building" that needed to be done to start the series. The additional scenes of Jamie entering the whorehouse to find Tyrion gave Tyrion a better entrance then the book where he just kind of "showed up" at the party. And on a completely shallow note Emilia Clarke...yummy.

  • April 17, 2011, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Re: Cersei and Jaime

    by pishowda

    Granted its been quite a while since I read the books, but I don't remember the reveal that it was Jaime fucking Cersei coming until later in the novel. Am I wrong?

  • April 17, 2011, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Best thing about this show...

    by memento108

    Other than the fantastic drama and epic feeling-- Daenerys. The chick who plays her will enter your spank bank immediately. Holy shit, what an ass....

  • April 17, 2011, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Can't see great ratings for this

    by mypalfish

    It's so complicated that if you miss the first episode, you will be totally lost. I watched it and can't even remember character's names. Liked the epic scope, but the needless F bombs stuck out and, of course, nudity is not needed but HBO must throw it in.

  • April 17, 2011, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Jane Espenson will just fuck this up...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...the way she fucked up BSG. Knowing she is involved just made me look less forward to the run of this series. I'll stay with it for a bit; but I can't stand watching any more of her bullshit. She brought BSG to even more of a grinding halt than I thought was possible. Just when that series wasn't getting out of it's own way; she got involved and stopped it dead in its tracks.

  • April 17, 2011, 10:39 p.m. CST

    The show was absolutely...

    by PhineasFlynn

    ...without a doubt, very OK. Exposition is hard to watch, no matter how pretty (or nekkid). I'd love to have been blown away, but I haven't been yet. I hope it picks up in the next episode.

  • April 17, 2011, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Only ten episodes?

    by FrodoFraggins

    That's a big bummer. I haven't read the books yet, but the hype on them is insane. I did start reading the first one a month ago but lost interest at the time. I thought the opening was really strong, but the families drama quickly became dull. I'm assuming it gets much more interesting later?

  • April 17, 2011, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Won't give HBO another dime unless ...

    by FrodoFraggins

    let GoT go to completion. I've been boycotting them for screwing Deadwood, Carnivale and Rome. I did buy those series, as well as the sopranos and the wire on DVD but only when they were in Amazon's gold box special. I just can't picture myself subscribing to that channel ever again.

  • April 17, 2011, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Jamie and Cersei...

    by Cartagia

    That's moment you find out in the books. But there is another reveal that you don't find out about until much later.

  • April 17, 2011, 11:31 p.m. CST

    crap

    by lostboytexas

    who gives a fuck really? also, what did they spend their budget on? sure as fuck wasnt wigs. it looked low budget as fuck, made doctor who look good!

  • April 17, 2011, 11:35 p.m. CST

    mypalfish

    by mukhtabi

    Nudity is inherently part of the novels. Sex and nudity abound in each of the four books - soon to be five- it's part and parcel of the narrative. So totally necessary this time around.

  • April 17, 2011, 11:47 p.m. CST

    A little slow, but not without it's moments

    by jimmy_009

    Never read the book, so... the production value is great, the acting and dialogue is top notch. I found the pacing to be a bit slow, but not to the point of inducing boredom. Had some really nice surprises mixed throughout. The only thing I really didn't like was the line "The things I do for love." I don't know if that's in the book, but it felt silly and out of place. Also I wish there was a little more fantasy, but that's just me.

  • April 17, 2011, 11:48 p.m. CST

    And whoever keeps saying they don't recall readin the word fuck

    by Cartagia

    Must be reading with their eyes closed.

  • April 17, 2011, 11:59 p.m. CST

    jonquixote, good to see your name again...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...miss your comics reviews and comments in the A$$holes column. Hope all is well with you. Wishing badly I could afford cable at the moment, much less HBO. But it will be on DVD eventually. As I said in a previous talkback, it's the new book that's most important to me. That I will pay hard cash for on sight. Hasten the day!

  • April 18, 2011, 12:01 a.m. CST

    genderblender

    by Fico

    Did you watch it? Did you like it or not? And if it ends up like Rome, so what? I'm glad the two seasons of Rome exist, because they were fantastic, and so is this.

  • April 18, 2011, 12:23 a.m. CST

    jimmy_009

    by volcanopele2

    "The Things I do for love" is in the book. For a year I expected that to end the first episode and it did. Great episode, through and through. Yes, it was an obligatory exposition pilot given that there are so many characters and plot lines, but still, not to shabby.

  • April 18, 2011, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Waiting for the next one

    by BizarroJerry

    After one episode I didn't really see anything to live up to the praise, but I know some reviews are based on viewings of multiple episodes. So far it seems like pretty standard stuff. I'll admit the incest wasn't a surprise cuz some spoiled it, but even the supposedly shocking bit at the end didn't shock me. I knew the kid was done for the second he saw them, and I already knew they were bad. And the semi-rape scene wasn't something I want to see. I'll give it another shot, but as someone with no knowledge of the source, I wasn't impressed so far. I'm willing to believe this could pick up later, like a show like The Wire did.

  • ...that women prefer fantasy to science fiction, though given recent trends, they probably prefer paranormal romance to both. That may not translate to movies and television, of course, and I suspect that "revisionist" fantasy, such as Martin, Bakker, Erickson and Abercrobie, does skew toward guys, but that's just a guess. But I've been to meetings of the Brotherhood without Banners, the hardcore fans of Martin's series, and, despite its name, there have always been plenty of women around. You are, of course, not required to fit any stereotype (rather the reverse); but by the same token, neither is fantasy, It's not restricted to Conanesque sword and sorcery (which does seem to appeal most strongly to guys) or Tolkeinian epic. I can think of dozens of fantasy novels which aren't "hyperbolic male-potboiler...bullcrap". The Once And Future King, The Last Unicorn, Little, Big, Bridge of Birds and Tigana leap to mind as counterexamples written by men which should appeal to any reader of fine books. As for books by women, I need only mention Jonathan Norrell and Mr. Strange, or Lud-In-The_Mist, or anything by Patricia McKillip, Robin McKinley, Robin Hobb, or Evangeline Walton. Despite their male hero, I don't think J. K. Rowling would accept your remark as describing her books, and I know Ursula K. LeGuin wouldn't; read any of her several eloquent defenses of the field. It may not be your cup of tea, and it's your right to say so; but that's a matter of taste, not of quality.

  • April 18, 2011, 1:29 a.m. CST

    If you've started to like the Stark family...

    by TopHat

    ...you're going to HATE this series.

  • April 18, 2011, 2:10 a.m. CST

    Genderbender

    by BERSERKR

    My wifes a women and she loved the books and the first ep among many other fantasy novels, and I have dated many women in the past who love fantasy as well. What do you read? As for the ratings, I am expecting good things, most reviews are quite good and the show has been hugely hyped, plus it is serious quality.

  • April 18, 2011, 2:12 a.m. CST

    Tophat

    by BERSERKR

    I LOVE the Starks, and also live he series even though it has angered me on occasion, but thats part of what makes them great.

  • April 18, 2011, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Game of MOTHER FUCKIN' Thrones YO!!!

    by elgato73

    Just got done watching the first episode. Never read the novels as I am not a fantasy fan and never have been. Pretty much Hobbit and LOTR, Potter, and some of Gaiman's and Pritchett's works are the only fantasy things I've read and are limited to. No Martin, Jordan, and their ilk. Just more of a science fiction fan flat out here. BUT DAMN!!! Loved this first episode and undoubtedly this shoots to the top of my list with Fringe, Doctor Who and The Walking Dead being my favorite television series on right now. Put Breaking Bad and Mad Men on that list too. This first episode was top to bottom the best fucking piece of modern fantasy to come to the small screen ever and I think reminds me a lot of Jackson's LOTR in a lot of ways. Cannot wait to see the other nine. Hell, may read the novels later too.

  • April 18, 2011, 2:54 a.m. CST

    This got Herc's OK?

    by Xiphos_2

    Damn that's to bad I had high hopes for it, well not really, but getting the boom lowered on it by the Herc recommendation is a bitch. How many Whedonite disciples worked this, isn't that how shows get the Herc kibosh or does that only apply to shows on network TV?

  • April 18, 2011, 2:57 a.m. CST

    "I see they added incest"

    by JuntMonkey

  • April 18, 2011, 3:02 a.m. CST

    AH HA! head Whedon Acoloyte Espenson worked on this

    by Xiphos_2

    That's not good news her sensibilities are extraordinarily mismatched for something like this.

  • April 18, 2011, 3:59 a.m. CST

    I know a lot of female A Song of Ice and Fire fans

    by CuervoJones

    WTF

  • April 18, 2011, 6:12 a.m. CST

    "I see they added fiery dornish peppers."

    by CatoTheCensor

  • April 18, 2011, 6:19 a.m. CST

    "Fantasy is not for girls"????????

    by Rebel Scumb

    Really?? Because I know a LOT of girls. Attractive, well adjusted ones with good jobs, and they're all obsessed with fantasy novels.

  • April 18, 2011, 6:21 a.m. CST

    YOU ALL ARE MISSING THE POINT

    by IamHERE

    I had fun watching this, never read the books, but delighted there are monsters in it and not just a dark ages politcal series. ANYWAYS, I think Jason Momoa Totally rocked as the barbarian king and will rock Conan just as well.

  • April 18, 2011, 6:22 a.m. CST

    chest Rockwell. Re: Camelot

    by Rebel Scumb

    I don't really think that is the problem with the show. I'm fine with things being changed up, I actually think their take on the sword in the stone was pretty inspired. The problem is the show is poorly written, and almost none of the characters are remotely likeable. And when they change things from other versions of the legend, they don't utilize the changes to very good effect, or just exercise poor judgement of what to change.

  • Generally I like to start with the source material, and the books are said to be great by a few people I know. But I have a ton of books on my shelf to read and not enough hours in the day to add another one at the moment On the other hand, I have almost no good tv shows to watch currently, and this is a show every single one of my friends is going to be watching, so makes for a good group viewing expirence/discussion. I just have a feeling if I get hooked on the show I will never read the books.

  • April 18, 2011, 7:29 a.m. CST

    @rebel scum

    by Cr8z13

    I read the first book last summer and I'm glad I did, not just because it's a good book but because I think I would have been lost going into the TV show cold.

  • April 18, 2011, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Anyone asking about Tom McCarthy...

    by Frat Boy

    Not that many people are, but he did a great AV Club interview where he talks about the breakdown of his involvement in GoT. http://www.avclub.com/articles/tom-mccarthy,53245/

  • April 18, 2011, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Sansa Stark

    by Itchy

    Bitch is not quite hot enough to play Sansa. Hopefully we'll get to see her stripped naked and beaten by Meryn Trant, though. Daenyrys on the other hand ... Schwing !

  • April 18, 2011, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Mattman, fuck off...

    by Judge Briggs

    Seriously, fuck off! I listened to the first 3 books on my iPhone because: 1.) Eases the commute of the metro and shitty Northern Virginia traffic; 2.) Roy Dotrice narrates the books brilliantly. Now, go please go douche yourself, Matty the whipping girl.

  • April 18, 2011, 8:18 a.m. CST

    @ gooseud and @ cartagia (spoiler warning)

    by Corey

    @ gooseud and @ cartagia Maybe I am very slow but I have no idea which female character you two are referencing as an "archetypical hero" or "good guy". I am racking my brain and must've missed it, unless you are referencing either: SPOILER HEREAFTER the Dorne (but even if that is the case, I would put her in neither category until they further her storyline) or the Khallessa, but I would not necessarily make her a good guy or archetypical heroine relative to the other good guys in the story. It may appear that way since she has been politically on the right side of the "people" in Essos but that has not necessarily made her "good", we won't know that until she finds her way back to Westeros. The only possibilities that I see for heroes and good guys in the series overall are the transformed and angry imp, the bastard, and the failed hero king's little brother (not the dead one, lol). Personally, I am hoping for the Bastard and the Khallessa to wed rather than for her to wed the Dornish prince, but that is just me.

  • April 18, 2011, 8:35 a.m. CST

    The true hero (spoiler)

    by gooseud

    is clearly Dany. She has the clear "Hero's arc" of rising from nothing to ascend to the "kingship", overcoming all obstacles along the way, in addition to the fact that of all the characters in the book, Dany is the most (to use a D+D term here), "principled good". Which just shows the genius of Martin, because you spend the entire first book thinking she is the villain and the Starks are the heroes. Meanwhile, the entire time, the real hero of the book is staring you right in the face......and, according to this show, she has a 24K gold plated ass, as well!! Heh heh.

  • April 18, 2011, 8:35 a.m. CST

    To really understand Song of Fire and Ice *SPOILER*...

    by tailhook

    You need to realize that the characters you see are like flashlights into Westeros and the family coming together at the start of the series is something that never comes again as the family ends up getting dispersed around the land in order to provide ways of being able to provide information about whats going on in various areas of the land that plays into the main storylines. You can't find out what happens in Area X if Character Y isn't there. Its only when they've run their course and either are no longer needed or can't be migrated somewhere else that they then get axed. Even then, there really aren't as many 'deaths' as it appears in the story. In a total of 3 books, iirc there are only 2 traditional deaths in the main family even though Martin has a tendency to make it seem like there are more.

  • April 18, 2011, 8:37 a.m. CST

    the rape

    by gooseud

    wasnt really a rape. You have to read the books, they are portraying Dany as far less of a willing participant in this entire process. In the books, that scene played out as more of Dany being surprised how tender Drogo was, not a barbarian like she thought, with the tear wiping and all. And then, of course, he tears it up doggy style, but still. Give it a few chapters, shes gonna be hittin it with Khal Drogo all over Pentos soon enough.

  • April 18, 2011, 8:57 a.m. CST

    tailhook

    by skycrapper

    Three if you include a certain "Stonehearted" person.

  • April 18, 2011, 9:33 a.m. CST

    genderblender

    by top6

    First, those are sweeping opinions of books you haven't read. Second, in no way is there a "dark lord" or "sacred stone" in Song of Ice and Fire. There is one character who sort of thinks he is on such a quest, but he is really a background player, and also is probably wrong. Like real life, there are prophesies and religion, but at this stage of the books it is an open question about whether any of those things are true. If you are under the impression that these books concern a group of people fighting some sort of evil lord, though, you are extremely mistaken. Third, yes, there is rape portrayed in the books-both violent rape, and perhaps less obvious rape through arranged marriages. I doubt HBO is going to portray it "realistically" (for one, they have increased all of the characters' ages). All I can say is that the consequences and horror of these events are played out fully, and it can be horrible to read. One of the most refreshing things about the books, imo, is that, while there is an (awesome) "tomboy" character, and one fairly minor female character who wants to be a knight, most of the major female characters don't want to be men, as in so many fantasy books. What I mean is, they are living as women would have lived in medieval times, and demonstrating various and realistic-feeling levels of strength, courage, weakness and rage in response. Now, I agree that some fans seem bizarrely titillated by some of this, but most of them are teenage boys who are probably titillated by a soft breeze. Also, some scenes (SPOILER: some lesbian sex scenes) occasionally border on a male pornographic fantasy. But for the most part, the books' female characters, and the way females are treated in general, is refreshing and, in many ways, I think the real strength of the series. In any event, Martin absolutely is making a very good faith and (in my view) usually very effective attempt to deal with the "realities of life" in this setting.

  • April 18, 2011, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Genderbender, I'll try and put this nicely

    by skycrapper

    No one cares. You don't like fantasy, that's fine...so why are you trolling this talkback?

  • April 18, 2011, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Or...

    by pita1963

    Twi-fucking-light ????

  • April 18, 2011, 10:11 a.m. CST

    As A Mega Fan of The Books...

    by BilboRing

    The show was great. A little rushed but that's going to happen until the full story unfolds. Everything was excellent. The direwolves need to become more fierce as they age but not a big deal. Even the story changes were not that dramatic. WINTER HAS COME!!!!!

  • April 18, 2011, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Seriously underwhelmed - A classic case of over-hype

    by gruntybear

    There was no innovation, no risk-taking, no grand sweeping, panoramic "neu" fantasy here. It was just standard, (fur) capes, swords & generic "ren faire" mugging and posturing. Yes, I've read the books. Yes, I know where it goes. Yes, I'm concerned that the eventual fates of the most easily recognizable character actors among the cast are going to turn off a huge portion of the potential viewing audience. But this just didn't quite work for some reason. It didn't gel at all - especially knowing which specific characters will be asked to step up and take the reins of the show in the not too distant future. The opening 15 minutes were teased the week before because it was arguably the strongest 15 minutes of the entire episode -- despite the horribly distracting styrofoam snow. I hated absolutely everything to do with the Daenerys storyline. Nothing worked. From the shitty, flat yellow dye-job on the brother & sister to the cliched snake-charmer music in the background, while the "natives" writhed in childishly choreographed mock-fucking at the "wedding." All of it was just painfully awful -- dare I say, "Camelot" level awful. Because that portion of the story really needed to be gritty and realistic and truly alien, I was disheartened to see HBO go, essentially, the Harlequin romance route. In other words, it all felt "been here, already done this" redundant. Hopefully this storyline will deepen and improve over time. I also hated the staging of Bran's encounter with the Lannisters. It felt forced and cartoonish - especially with the quip that ended the episode. Yes, the line is from the book, but nothing about that scene played out like I had imagined from the text. Rather than catch-your-breath shocking, it felt flippant and schtick-y. Here's hoping things improve steadily from this shaky first episode. We don't want another non-starter like "Boredom-walk Empire." P.S. Face facts people. "Nudity" on HBO means nothing more than tits, with the occasional (usually female) ass shot to change things up. That's it. Laughably, people still fuck on HBO with all of their clothes on (see the closing Lannister scene, for instance) - y'know, so as not to offend the delicate sensibilities of the teenaged mouthbreathers who still think seeing an unsheathed dick ever, ever, ever will somehow damage their heterosexuality. HBO still pretends that there is only one gender that can get naked on television and is, therefore, practically in the dark ages when it comes to sexuality on television. P.P.S. In true talkback tradition, only my P.S. will merit comment. Just watch.

  • April 18, 2011, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Thoughts

    by honavery

    I agree with bilboring, as a fan of the books it was almost perfect. The obvious care to detail and high production value was great to see. Peter Dinklage is going to make a great Tyrion, who is probably my favorite character. Oddly enough one of my favorite parts was the title sequence with the CGI map of Westeros fly over sequence where the different castles built themselves. Thought that was really neat. Loved the close ups of the Hound's armor (even though no mention of who he was). Nice nod to the fans there. Interesting to see how this plays with people who haven't read the books. Been a little while since I read the first book and I had forgotten some stuff and had to think a little bit about it (mainly the stuff with Ned's sister).

  • April 18, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Genderblender: Full of sound and fury, signifying...bullshit.

    by Funkyheadhunter

    After reading that ridiculously judgmental, uninformed and downright asinine NY Times review of GOT and then coming here and reading your drivel, I've had just about enough of my sisters in the struggle talking shit without knowing shit. If you don't like fantasy, that's your business. I don't like romance novels. However, I'm not going to belittle or condescend to those who do and I'm certainly not going to make sweeping generalizations about a series of books (let along an entire genre) while knowing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the material in question. It's obvious that you've already made up your mind about GOT so why you feel the need to come here and yammer makes no sense to me. A friend of mine (male) introduced me to these books 7 years ago and I have re-read them and suggested them to others while waiting for Martin to come out with the next one (Yay July!). I love these stories. I love the complexity of the characters, I love the diversity, the action, the sex, the brutality...all of it. But I especially love the fact that Martin took the time to create a huge cast of female characters that fit into the full spectrum of all that is "she". He has been thoughtful and honest about his portrayal of these women, heroine and villaness alike. But you wouldn't know about any of that because instead of finding out, you decided to blow chunks of preconceived nonsense. I realize it's a waste of time to bother to suggest that you actually read the Martin books or any of the other awesome fantasy books that are out there because of how closed-minded you've shown yourself to be. But I will say this: You can sit down, shut-up, watch the show and decide for yourself; or you can sit down, shut up, read the books and decide for yourself; OR your can sit down, shut up, and not read or watch either. Your choice...just make sure shutting-up is in there somewhere.

  • April 18, 2011, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Genderbender

    by notanotherwriter

    I am an educated, intelligent female, in my 30s, and I adore these books. I dislike most fantasy, but these books are something else. None of the things you mention above, the usual fantasy tropes, are in the Song of Ice and Fire books at all. Martin likes to turn the fantasy trope on his head, and though there are some stock fantasy elements in there, they are painted so realistically, you don't seem to mind them. I'm a historical fiction buff, and these books remind me more of that genre than anything else. The two most fully realized female characters, Cat and Sansa, are very realistic portrayals of women in a feudal society. Funny enough, both characters are despised by the more "fanboy-ish" readers. HBO probably has sexed-up the series, sure, it's what they do, but I'll still watch. It sounds like you've made up your mind already, so I doubt I'll convince you to give it a try, but I just had to speak up against your sweeping generalizations about women and what they like.

  • April 18, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Gruntybear is right and wrong

    by gooseud

    I actually agree with you about the Dany stuff, it didnt really work for me. The chick playing Dany was the hawt, but she was wayyyyy more passive then portrayed in the books, and the "rape" scene was totally wrong in tone. Viserys also just seemed more mildly annoying rather then the true abusive psycho he is in the books. The whole tone just seemed off, honestly. I can live with that, though, it can improve, and everything else was spot on (with the huge exception of Mark Addy's physical appearance, he simply isnt big enough to be Robert). HOWEVER....your dead wrong about HBO and nudity. True Blood is full of male nudity. Boardwalk Empire was full of full frontal nudity, male and female. The "fucking with clothes on" phenomenon is annoying, but thats not an HBO thing, thats a cultural thing. And thats actually EXACTLY how Jaime is portrayed in the books, everyone just didnt realize it til it was portrayed on screen. His quasi-foppish act is actually just going to make it all the more awesome when you see that he really IS as big as bad ass as he thinks he is.

  • April 18, 2011, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Jaime

    by honavery

    Doesn't really get interesting till the middle of the 3rd book.

  • April 18, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    RE: Genderbender, I'll try and put this nicely ...

    by Liquid Pony

    Why is she trolling this talkback ... ? Shouldn't that be clear? There isn't much fun to be had in narrow mindedness alone. Where's the fun in pretending to be a feminist if you don't get to rain on someone's parade? Just another gem to add to the repertoire: "Fantasy is hyperbolic male-potboiler fantasy [sic]." I suspect that there are plenty of women who find your willful ignorance just as amusing (or infuriating) as I do. http://geekfemme.blogspot.com/

  • April 18, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST

    gooseud

    by BERSERKR

    Possible SPOILERS......... I think that Jon will end up Marrying Danny, he is obviously being primed to be the Hero of the books opposite Danny when the White walkers finally come. Favorite character though Arya. :P

  • Despite its reputation as being an envelope-pushing, sex-crazed vampire romp-fest, look again at the nudity/sex in "True Blood." For the most part, with very, very minor exceptions, once again the audience is treated to women with their tits out and the occasional bare ass. The show is practically puritanical when it comes to full-frontal.

  • April 18, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    @ Gooseud

    by Cartagia

    I never once thought in the first book that Daeny was a "villain", that was why I was so confused by you stating that the "hero" doesn't show up until book three. I could tell that she is probably the most black and white character in the series by her... second chapter maybe? Doesn't make me like her any less though. I do agree about Viserys and the sex scene though. The tone was WAY off. And I agree about Jamie, I love that instead of making it this BIG. HUGE. THING. it was just an after thought to him. Oh look, little kid. Huh, how about that?" Push. LOVED it.

  • April 18, 2011, 12:40 p.m. CST

    What makes Jaime (and Martin) awesome

    by gooseud

    is that, for all his assholish actions (and you will HATE him, trust me, by episode 9 or so, he is kinda amusing now, but trust me, it gets DARK), he also actually IS the bravest warrior and biggest bad ass on the planet. Its like if Aragorn was a huge douche who liked banging his really hot sister LOL.The fact that you can see certain admirable qualities in Jaime is what makes the payoff in book 3 all the better (bear pit!!).

  • April 18, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST

    NO BITCHING ALLOWED in regards to this show

    by antonphd

    we get SHIT on tv and movies in the US with far to rare exceptions. i don't care if you don't like this show. shut the fuck up about it. it raises the bar for tv shows compared to almost ALL the other shit on tv. we NEED this show to succeed or the suits won't green light anything but crap.

  • April 18, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    lol the 'rape' scene...

    by tailhook

    Calling it that gives rape scenes a bad name honestly. Anything having to do with the actual act itself was completely off-screen. That said... this episode had *a lot* of ground to cover in terms of setup and I frankly think it completely knocked it out of the park. The set design is phenomenal and the casting from top to bottom is absolutely top notch. They're definately holding pretty close to the source material which with being how tightly wound the books are, thats not a bad thing. And while Jason Mamoa was perfectly cast for the largely forgettable part of Kal Drago, its quite clear whoever cast him as Conan was clearly smoking dope. He doesn't have the charisma or personality for that part.

  • April 18, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    I watched that little 10 minute preview

    by Jaster

    I'm there. It looks very interesting and well done.

  • April 18, 2011, 1:37 p.m. CST

    @Mattman

    by Judge Briggs

    I am not saying the cursing isn't in the books...I just don't remember it! That is all.

  • April 18, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Jaime is perfectly cast and acted

    by BilboRing

    He is an arrogant jerk who has not a care in the world. Just toss the kid out the window. It was perfectly executed. Cersei is also perfect. Top notch bitch who does not like anything around her. I pray Peter Dinklage wins an Emmy for Tyrion when all is said and done. He's made for this role. I love the bastard exchange with Jon Snow. Just like the book. Perfect. I can't wait until they get to King's Landing and the Hand's Tourney. That will rock. As for the rape scenes, I don't need to see all of it to know what is going on. HBO did a great job. Dany's first encounter with Drogo was great. He's a beast and she is a child. Viserys will get more and more unlikeable as the season goes on I think. But he has already started. "I would let all 40,000 of them f you to get my throne back." Not too cruel.

  • April 18, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST

    @Genderbender

    by scooterbuch

    Have you read any Patrick Rothfuss yet?

  • April 18, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    It's a bummer people have to spoil the books

    by FrodoFraggins

    Now I can't participate in these talkbacks.

  • April 18, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Seriously - what do you all expect HBO to show ?

    by Itchy

    Gratuitous tits and ass arent enough ? What do you want ? A lingering close up of Cersei's hairy twat ? Tyrion spraying midget load all over a whore ? Daenyrys getting fist fucked by her handmaid on the Dothraki plain ? Sheesh. I want a good adult drama I can sit down and watch with my wife - not some hardcore porn that the kiddies might walk in on.

  • April 18, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST

    I can't wait

    by Gene_Parmesan

    for Viserys to get his crown. Literally will be face-meltingly awesome! I loved the episode last night and am excited for the series to unfold. Kudos HBO! For the haters on the talkback, PLEASE don't quit posting your thought as the more attention you draw to the series, the more people will check it out and love it, thus guaranteeing its continuance. "Winter is coming".

  • April 18, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    itchy...

    by BilboRing

    That was gross and very funny.

  • April 18, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Jason Momoa had MAD charisma++ in Atlantis

    by blhotz

    Star in the making...

  • April 18, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Nudity

    by JuntMonkey

    Daenerys's nudity was more and better than I could have possibly imagined from the entire SERIES. Asses that big are never shown on screen in full view. We're talking a Mr. Skin greatest of all-time ass scene.

  • April 18, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    "rape scene"

    by BERSERKR

    I wouldn't call it that, he was gentle and the scene ended when Drogo bent her over, for all we know the next ep will pick up right where it left off and show him being even more gentle and Danny realizing it.

  • April 18, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Spartacus laughs at this puny show

    by DrPain

    Blood and Sand all the way.

  • April 18, 2011, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Enjoyed it

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Pretty much tone perfect for me except for the wedding scenes with Dany. The set and the rather clean looking extras made it all look a bit silly--the one off tone in the whole show. Winterfell and the Starks and Lannisters was great. The casting for Tyrion is perfect and the kids and Jamie Lannister ring very true. Good start...happy days.

  • April 18, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST

    I wouldn't call 3 million (preliminary numbers) sucking hard

    by skycrapper

    Especially for pay cable. That's more than twice what True Blood pulled their first episode.

  • April 18, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Have to agree...

    by tailhook

    Its nice to see something other than an emaciated size nothing with your standard boob job. Hopefully Clarke brings a lot more to the character than what was shown in the first episode. Daenerys isn't some passive-agressive abused wall flower, she's a Targaryen and she drives pretty much that half of the plot and is as dangerous, if not more so, than her brother. Playing the victim is *not* Daeynerys.

  • April 18, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Check again 1.6 is the preliminary rating number

    by skycrapper

    Translates to around 3 million viewers (for the first hour only) and it's decent not great.

  • April 18, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Ratings come out tommorow

    by skycrapper

    and apparently they didn't even count the free weekend viewers in this number. Relax man it'll be o.k. for pay cable it's not bad.

  • April 18, 2011, 5:13 p.m. CST

    luke, Herc is actually up to around episode 5 or 6

    by Cartagia

    He says as much in a black bar post earlier.

  • April 18, 2011, 5:19 p.m. CST

    diox- Though it does have Whedon alum writing for it

    by Cartagia

    Espensen, ahoy!

  • April 18, 2011, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Boardwalk had to very big things going for it up front

    by Cartagia

    "From Martin Scorcese and Producers who brought you The Sopranos" And considering at least half of the BE viewership were people who likely got HBO for shows like Sopranos, it was not surprising. And, I think being on par with True Bloods ratings is nothing to scoff at. Look at how much that grew.

  • April 18, 2011, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Genderbender

    by Anino

    Might as well pile on. My sister, my neice, my co-worker--all women, from different backgrounds, age groups, and each with a different marital status ALL love the books, and are dying to watch the show. The knee-jerk feminism was annoying at first, but now it's just boring. Join a support group for your frustrations.

  • April 18, 2011, 6:42 p.m. CST

    I liked the opening sequence

    by Turingtestee

    Made me want to start up a new D&D campaign.

  • April 18, 2011, 6:48 p.m. CST

    No The Killing TB?

    by Turingtestee

    Two of the actors from Stargate Universe showed up, Sterling was wearing the wig, candidates boyish aid was NOT the leak, and the teacher was writing Rosie love letters.

  • April 18, 2011, 7:05 p.m. CST

    No, Stargate is for sucks

    by Mr Soze

    Except that one with James Spader

  • April 18, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST

    True Hero?

    by Corey

  • April 18, 2011, 7:26 p.m. CST

    I tried several times to get into the first book

    by CountryBoy

    There was just something about its writing style that grated on me. Weird, kind of corny stylistic phrases (like saying of some evil force that it "loved them not" or saying one character was "of an age" with another) just sounded bombastic and silly to me. Whatever story a book is telling, I always need it to be written in an engaging style, and this just wasn't. The story may indeed be great; but I just couldn't get past its goofy writing.

  • April 18, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST

    True hero

    by Corey

    Can't say that I agree that Dany is the hero archetype of the story. I think that it definitely is John Snow if anyone. The true heir to the most noblest of the families set forth in the Song of Ice and Fire but denied any real future because he is the bastard son. Throughout the story is did all that was asked of him and more showing that his bastard birth made him no less a loyal son and brother, and he is a natural leader of men that ends up heading a once noble group that is now filled with the worst of the worst. Dany on the other hand, I'll wait until Dance with Dragons to get a real feel for who she is. She may be the other principled person in the book but I don't think we know that yet. Just because she freed slaves (which seemed more directed at weakening the slavelords than just seeing them free) and outlawed rape (which if I were a woman I could definitely relate to), doesn't in itself mean she is good or principled. But we will see. Maybe I haven't given her a fair chance based on the fact that her dad was a crazy dipshit, as well as her brother (though it seems that her older brother and crown prince may not have been as bad as he was made out to be. I'm starting to think that he didn't kidnap and rape Ned's sister and that John Snow may in fact be her child that Ned took to protect from Robert Baratheon and raise himself, but that is a long story). I think there are several archetypes throughout though. Stannis is clearly the failed hero, principled but flawed. Following Millesandra will be his downfall, just waiting for that to happen. Though, she might really be the right side once winter comes, but we just don't know how bad that will go or how well. John Snow is a good guy, its clear throughout. Rob Stark was a good guy, just got screwed because of he bucked the system. Ned was a good guy, just didn't understand politics.

  • April 18, 2011, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Maybe Jason Momoa can pull off CONAN after all

    by 3D-Man

  • April 18, 2011, 8:27 p.m. CST

    GenderBender

    by Andy_Dufresne

    Try "The Deed of Paksenarrion" by Elizabeth Moon. It's a trilogy with a female lead and is less about magic than most fantasy. It's a bit of a military fantasy type thing with a female hero who you could probably call a feminist.

  • April 18, 2011, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Is the kid dead?

    by Billyeveryteen

    Trying to remain a virgin here, but the little climber looks and acts like I did at that age. Really great start.

  • April 18, 2011, 8:47 p.m. CST

    And now Rosie is on Stargate

    by Turingtestee

    Incestuous week of TV.

  • April 18, 2011, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Dude was banging his sister at the end, right?

    by 3D-Man

  • April 18, 2011, 9:18 p.m. CST

    @billyeveryteen -- SPOILER!!!!!!!

    by top6

    SPOILER Do you really want to know? I'm going to tell you. No. Unconscious but alive to start next episode. Is seriously injured. END SPOILER

  • April 18, 2011, 9:18 p.m. CST

    @3d-man NOT A SPOILER

    by top6

    Yes.

  • April 18, 2011, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Thanks top, you're tops.

    by Billyeveryteen

    Can't wait for more.

  • April 18, 2011, 10 p.m. CST

    turningtestee, re: the killing

    by Rebel Scumb

    Just watched it this morning. I felt this was the best episode so far because at no point did bad acting or over the top music take me out of the story. I'm still a bit concerned by how liberally they are taking the mystery beats from Twin Peaks, hope that doesn't persist. Also, the whole sublot with the detective's fiance trying to get her to move feels forced. We're watching a tv show, we know she's not going to up and relocate midway through the season, thus terminating the entire story. I hate when shows forget that the audience has seen other shows and know how they work. That said, its still pretty good overall, liked the SGU cameos, plus charles widmore Its weird, the rocketeers assistant guy who did the fake out as the trailer looks identical to the kid playing the young prince on GoT (and was also the little kid in the narrows in batman begins). they could be father and son, or brothers they look so much alike. But according imdb, the kid is from england, and the guy is from texas, so I guess its just a coincidence.

  • April 18, 2011, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Not a bad first episode

    by Tony Puryear

    Had zero familiarity with the books and a prejudice against most things fantasy, and yet was drawn in by the solid acting – Sean Bean anchored it well – and, as someone else mentioned, the intriguing opening credits. The girl was hot, always a plus. Peter Dinklage brought the mean and snarky, the little kid was cute (shame, but imdb him for more than a slight spoiler about his fate) and that Momoa dude was big and bad-looking. The twist with the late-night note revealing the murder of the late King's Hand was Shakespearean in its simplicity and makes me want to see what's up with Lena heady and her brother. They are bad, yo. Also, c'mon, that girl was hot.

  • April 19, 2011, midnight CST

    Another overhyped crapfest....

    by banditmania

    It might appeal to 20 yr olds because of the nudity.

  • April 19, 2011, 12:39 a.m. CST

    2 things....

    by Dancingforever

    The show is way to complex for the normal person to follow. It won't last as the general public is way to stupid to follow something like this. It will have a large core following, but not enough to sustain it or justify the budget. Secondly, you fucks who act like you have inside knowledge because you have read the books. Look, most of us have, big deal. We see this in the True Blood discussions also. People like to act like wise sages because they KNOW what's going to happen, but they aren't going to tell you anything, or not much. The other half show up and blurt out spoilers just to take the piss out of people. Can you please just stop. It's like reading comments by a bunch of old ladies about a Danielle Steele novel to a new red hat who isn't caught up. In summary, great show but doomed by it's own intricacies.

  • April 19, 2011, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Saw it last night -OK

    by theGoldbergV

    I don't really like fantasy stuff and haven't read the books but it was intriguing without blowing me away like the first episodes of True Blood or Rome did. I'll stick with it though, but declaring it the saviour of all TV after one episode is a bit much. I did laugh at some of the place names though, the rock they used to jump off as kids was called "castlely point" really?! Overall I like it but with historical HBO epics like Carnivale, Deadwood and Rome half the fun was seeing a foreign ancient culture rendered on screen with a big budget and great cast, here divorced of that context it can be a bit silly. But I guess thats just my bias against the genre coming out. Whether it'll secure a large enough audience to continue beyond a couple of series is also a concern

  • April 19, 2011, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Genderbender

    by kells

    I'm a college prof, and I teach a course on fantasy and SF. My wife is also a feminist but loves fantasy - it occurred to me that you might want to try Patricia McKillip or Ursula K. LeGuin, both extremely talented and complex writers. One of my wife's favorite series consists of the Kushiel books, which involve a lot of sex, but the main character is incredibly strong, and it reads more like an alternate history - the fantasy elements are played down - Jacqueline Carey is the author. Robin McKinley and Naomi Novik might be other suggestions, though not my favorites. That said, I do think it is unfortunate you will not read some of my favorites based on some of the issues you have with content - Steven Donaldson is often dismissed as a misogynist, which ignores the point that the strongest characters in ALL of his books are women, mainly through the fact that they go through such terrible experiences, and that the men responsible always suffer and pay for their crimes. You might give his two book cycle Mordant's Need a try (The Mirror of Her Dreams and A Man Rides Through), which feature a very strong heroine who must overcome extreme passivity while struggling against the overwhelmingly male tide of disdain arrayed against her. In fact, it seems to me that in NOT reading some of these books, you are missing out on a feminist discussion that would be extremely profitable - not by condemning the fantasies that use such subject matter, but by looking at WHY the matter is there in the first place. I truly do not believe that fantasy authors are playing out male fantasies of domination when such factors come into play. It is not what is happening in Game of Thrones either - while Daenerys does suffer a kind of "rape," part of her coming of age and coming into her power is taking control of her sexuality, allowing her to dominate a male-oriented culture, outlaw rape, and invert the usual avenues of social and political power. In fact, I can think of few female fantasy characters who better demonstrate feminist principles.

  • April 19, 2011, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Kind of a big bore

    by SadTruth

    Great production value. But seemed like just a hodgepodge of D&D/LOTR stuff with no real direction. OK, it's EP1, so I'm happy to give it another 2 or 3. Hell, the first 3 eps of The Wire were god awful. But hopefully they will write Ronin out of the script real quick? I just can't take the show seriously with him, being the same old "him", just with a sword instead of an energy weapon. Or will he fight the White Walkers as stand-in's for Wraith?

  • April 19, 2011, 8:47 a.m. CST

    I love trolls...

    by kells

    ...who give themselves usernames that arrogantly reflect their conviction that their opinions equal facts. God, I hate our culture.

  • April 19, 2011, 9:22 a.m. CST

    thegoldbergv

    by Fico

    The word is actually Casterly. Casterly Rock is the name of the fortress in the southwest where the Lannisters are from. Tons of gold there making them the richest family in the kingdoms.

  • April 19, 2011, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Robert Jordan anyone??

    by roguechef664

    @genderblender. Some may consider those some kind of crappy YA fantasy series. But many strong female characters make it an interesting read as male and female magic are different. Try them out before someone else screws them up.

  • April 19, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST

    EW has 4 million over the three airings Sunday

    by skycrapper

    And no numbers for last night yet but it got record ratings for Sky Atlantic across the pond in the UK. Not bad overall. It's not Boardwalk Empire numbers but who really thought it'd do that. What can we Americans say we love Steve Buscemi.

  • April 19, 2011, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Late to the party, but...

    by blackwood

    I dug it. A lot. I'm in for the long haul. Very intriguing. Also, genderblender -- Angela Carter. I've read more of her science fiction than her fantasy, but I would lobby to have your feminist card revoked if you don't read THE PASSION OF NEW EVE.

  • A scene of heroes and villains working out their differences isn't very cathartic or cinematic...

  • April 19, 2011, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Season 2 Suckas!

    by skycrapper

    EW reporting season 2 greenlight! We will see Stannis, Melisdandre, Davos, and Brienne!

  • April 19, 2011, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Already renewed!

    by ides

    Awesome!

  • April 19, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST

    @fico

    by theGoldbergV

    Fair enough. Did sound like "castle-lee" though

  • April 19, 2011, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Non-Fans Have Patience

    by BilboRing

    For those who have not read the books, keep watching. I read reviews that the 1st two shows are kind of dry in order to get the story shaped. And then it hits its stride. I'm a super fan of the books so I am jaded and loved seeing it on HBO. But trust me, you have NO clue as to what is going to happen in this series. It's awesome. Just give it a chance. This is not what you think it is. I am not trying to act superior or anything. Once Ned arrives at King's Landing, things get really interesting. It looks like next week is what happens along the road to King's Landing, which is pretty good stuff too depending on what they kept from the books.

  • April 19, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Also....

    by BilboRing

    HBO's website has links for a history of the houses and other information for people who might get confused by all the characters, which is easy to do. When I read the books, I was always flipping to the maps and character appendix to remember who was who until I really got into the story.

  • April 19, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST

    You gotta keep in mind...

    by nostairway

    The people who are calling this slow or boring are probably the same ones who called Battlestar Galactica and Lost slow and boring. You think they're goping to have huge battles and CGI monsters up the wazoo in the first episode? That's like watching the first 20 minutes of Inception and turing it off because they had to introduce all the characters and set up the plot. Gotta be patient...at least you have Emelia Clarke's succulent ass to tide you over.

  • April 19, 2011, 11:56 a.m. CST

    genderblender re: Feminism

    by spire_walk

    "Why does it have to end in some huge fight? Why not an alliance? Or coming to an understanding? That's feminism - thought, negotiation, cooperation, sharing, etc." Actually, it's called diplomacy. And the reason why the good guys fight the bad guys in epic war is because it's fantasy. Feminism as it is today is little more than running a fine-tooth comb over everything that comes out a man's mouth, in search of any hint of inequality and how a woman might be a victim. Negotiation, cooperation, and sharing are what feminists have to do with the rest of society.

  • April 19, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Highly anticipated and still it exceeded all expectations!!!

    by baronweazle

    After so much eager waiting, I kind of thought I'd be slicghtly dissappointed. But it turned out to be even greater than I thought it could be! They just hit all the right notes and when it ended, I immediately wanted to see the next episode. As for camelot. I sorta like it, but I do have to agree that Arthur is too effeminate. I don't think the kid is a terrible actor and both Eva Green and Joseph Fiennes are interesting so I will keep on watching. Good times for tv though! We've just had Boardwalk Empire, Camelot, the Borgia's and game of thrones are on now and a new (american)season of torchwood is coming in the near future! (and I still have to start watching Spartacus, which is supposedly awesome as well)

  • April 19, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    My only really big problems *Spoiler*

    by DougMcKenzie

    I loved the execution, and the acting of Bean and Addy, Dinklage (as expected)... especially loved the child acting (except the kid playing Joffrey who did nothing but grimace and stare at Sansa), and the unknown playing Jon Snow is great as well. Only issue I have is with the relative unknowns outside of the three I mentioned earlier, with two of them dying early in the story. Looking through who the focus turns to in the story I wonder if those actors are strong enough to carry a production with this size budget.

  • April 19, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    genderblender

    by jim

    "I've always wanted to see a book series where the 'hero' and the 'villain' sit down and actually work out an agreement." If the villain is willing to compromise with the hero then they really aren't much of a Villain. Fantasy often deals with a struggle of good vs evil. Alliances, cooperation, sharing generally don't fit with evil's agenda. With evil it's all or nothing, to the detriment of everyone else, which is why said villain needs to be stopped not placated. That said (as Harry likes to say), Game of Thrones, and the subsequent books, are not so black & white when it comes to heroes & villains. My cousin gave me the first 3 books several years ago and described them as "like Lord of the Rings but more political". It's the various political machinations of many of the characters that really drive the story. Diplomacy is an element in these books. However, just like in real life, it's not always successful. I'm not much of a Fantasy guy but I love these books. I'd describe them more as an Historical drama with a Fantasy undertone.

  • April 19, 2011, 4:10 p.m. CST

    My daughter loves Strawberry Shortcake...

    by Billyeveryteen

    Not a dude anywhere at all. When a problem arises(trouble planning a party, jealousy over good ideas, misunderstandings due to miscommunication), all the ladies get together and work it out, usually ending with a song. God what horrible crap.

  • April 19, 2011, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Not enough womynists in his books

    by Itchy

    Hey Hey, Ho Ho ... the penis party's got to go.

  • I mean seriously. My wife only had one enemy and she can't even be within 100 yards of her. In high school? I counted two guy fights my whole time there.... at least 5 to 7 girl fights. Have you ever seen a girl become friends with her arch-nemesis? Neither have I. Guys will make amends because there are other things they care more about -- money, property, cooperation that may lead to a high pay off in property or money. A woman will latch onto the idea of how much she hates that bitch and wants her dead. There is no political alliance. You think she'll marry her son off to her enemy's daughter to bring both houses together? HA!

  • April 20, 2011, 10:17 a.m. CST

    dreamfasting, titus 05 - violence

    by Hardcastle

    dreamfasting. yes. the remote control, once again, your best bet at avoiding quality programming due to violence and profanity. titus 05. true story about HBO and AMC. i think FX does a pretty good job of letting their writers drop heavy, badass shit also. as in sons of anarchy and justified.

  • April 20, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST

    genderblender's idea and the rape scene in GOT

    by oisin5199

    "I've always wanted to see a book series where the 'hero' and the 'villain' sit down and actually work out an agreement." yup, it's a little show I like to call Battlestar Galactica. And I'm sorry, when the girl is shaking with fear and crying, covering her breasts, while the man is forcing her arms away from her breasts and bending her over, that's rape. Plain and simple. It's not sort of rape or a kind of "rape." It's rape. Haven't read the books so I don't know how they've changed it. But what I saw up there on the screen was rape. That said, this show did stick in my head quite a bit, and I'm curious to see the character development, but some of it seemed to be shlocky shock value for its own sake. So I'm not sure those aspects are what makes it good, but I'm definitely hooked.

  • April 20, 2011, 9:28 p.m. CST

    fitzcarraldo2 he's always done that

    by MurderMostFowl

    He was the lead antagonist in Patriot Games, and Goldeneye no small roles and yet he still continued to do many many TV roles. Who knows.. maybe he likes doing low budget TV. I would think if you can get away with it, it would be fun.

  • April 20, 2011, 9:51 p.m. CST

    re: roguechef664

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    I still remember when I picked up the first few books of Wheel of Time, and many of the critics on the back of the book were praising how Jordan empowered women. And then the rest of the books came out where it showed how male Aes Sedai were basically 100x stronger than female Aes Sedai, thus reinforcing the patriarchal stereotype. That made me laugh pretty hard. I liked the 1st episode. The casting is great--Arya, Cersei, Tyrion come immediately to mind. Although I think Sean Bean is miscast; he's good in everything he does, but he doesn't look like the narrow-faced, grim, honour-bound lord that I always imagined Ned to be. I can only hope that as time goes on, the show will be more riveting. It was good, but hardly exciting; but then again, I can't tell if it's because the show is boring, or if it's because I've read the series 2x. Also, the actress playing Daenerys is just so, so, so incredibly hot. If you told me a week ago that Emilia Clarke would beat out Eva Green's nude scenes in Camelot, I would have called you a bald-faced liar. But happily, I was dead wrong.

  • April 22, 2011, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Jaime Lannister

    by Henry Fool

    I never thought I'd end up loving Jaime Lannister, who indulges in incest and throws children out of windows. But damn it, over the course of four books, he won me over. I hope the actor who plays him here can give him the same, dangerous charisma.