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Some Definite Spoiler Pics From MEN IN BLACK III!

Published at: April 12, 2011, 4:21 p.m. CST by Nordling

Nordling here.

This one's apparently had script problems out the wazoo, but Barry Sonnenfeld's MEN IN BLACK III is still on track and happening for a release in 2012.  The following pictures were released by The Daily Mail, and definitely go into spoiler territory, so be warned:

According to the article, at some point Will Smith's J goes back in time and works with the young K, played by Tommy Lee Jones in the original film and in this film's modern day scenes, and by Josh Brolin in the 1960s.  So there's definitely a time travel story in addition to all the alien hijinks.  Brolin looks just like a young Tommy Lee in these pics.

I hope Sonnenfeld got the script situation sorted out; but we'll see in 2012.  I loved the first film, thought the second was just there, and hopefully the third film will bring the story back to form.

Nordling, out.

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  • April 12, 2011, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Post 0

    by nolan bautista

    I'm the fat man! bow before me!

  • April 12, 2011, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Wow....Brolin looks a lot like Tommy Lee Jones in those pics

    by Bobo_Vision

    A young one. A credit to his acting ability.

  • April 12, 2011, 4:23 p.m. CST

    that young Tommy Lee Jones..

    by nolan bautista

    is uncannily spot on..

  • April 12, 2011, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Holy shit.

    by JediWuddayaknow

    That last one is shocking how much he looks like Jones.

  • They did that with 'Shrek Forever After,' and it simply felt like a 'filler' film.

  • April 12, 2011, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Cue Choppah in 3,2,1...

    by Darth_Kong

  • April 12, 2011, 4:27 p.m. CST

    bizarre, uncanny mix of young Jones and Ronald Regan

    by TheSeeker7

    ooofa! So is the real Tommy Lee supposed to be in this at all? or is it just in the 60's? Also Will Smiff looks to be lettin the jerry curl grow a little more out than usual.

  • April 12, 2011, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Yah, Brolin is pretty cool as far as wife-beaters go...

    by Lily

    Ass.

  • April 12, 2011, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Hopefully it erases part 2 from our collective mindsets

    by Terrence

    Smith still can do what needs to be done, and Brolin is scary in how much he looks like TLJ. If they can maintain that Ghostbusters vibe of the first one, I won't hate.

  • April 12, 2011, 4:30 p.m. CST

    So, did Tommy not want to work much for this paycheck, or what?

    by WriteForTheEdit

    But, yeah, Josh does pull this off really well.

  • April 12, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST

    beating wives is necessary

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    how else will they learn not to overcook the roast?

  • April 12, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST

    (Spoiler)The origin of Agent K's pock marks..

    by nolan bautista

    will be revealed in an Easter egg after the closing credits

  • April 12, 2011, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Time travel

    by bee152

    Always a bad idea! So many plot holes to fall into.

  • April 12, 2011, 4:34 p.m. CST

    So J is still rocking the late 90's hairstyle huh?

    by D.Vader

  • April 12, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Is J for Jesse Jackson?

    by D.Vader

    That's who he likes like here.

  • April 12, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST

    what the hell does wife beating have to do with mib3

    by emeraldboy

    really?

  • April 12, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST

    First GWB, now TLJ

    by Uncle Pooky

    Never pegged Brolin for one of those chameleon types, but he apparently is.

  • April 12, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Last Pic Spot On

    by Wcwlkr

    That last pic he seriously looks like a young Tommy Lee Jones. Wow that's crazy perfect casting. The 2nd one was meh didn't hate it didn't love it. It was just like you said there. But I'm still looking forward to this one. I still find Smith and Jones chemistry hilarious.

  • April 12, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST

    spoiler = tommy lee jones is too old for target audience.

    by vulturess

    is rip torn in this?

  • April 12, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Brolin is Jones in the past?

    by codecrackx15

    Time machine, warp, rift... whatever = CRAP!!!

  • April 12, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    It's not really a spoiler

    by twogunjames

    It's already been widely reported that Brolin was playing Jones in the 60's, and that time travel was part of the story. I've read it all over the place.

  • When all these retarded super hero movies you get boners over have the most absurd, stupid, idiotic plots ever. I guess if Will Smith had a gay costume on it would be ok. Or maybe it he had some stupid ass ring which gave him magic....or a big ass hammer....or a stupid shield he throws around. That makes it ok, doesnt it? and I'm not defending this movie...I just find it ironic that you nerds who love comic book movies are bitching about the plot of a movie.

  • April 12, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST

    No Country For Old Men In Black III

    by alan_poon

  • April 12, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Brolin's wearing some prosthetics, right?

    by fustfick

    Either that's a prosthetic Tommy Lee Jones nose Brolin's wearing in the last pic, or this method motherfucker's gone all Kirk Lazarus 'n shit with the plastic surgeon.

  • April 12, 2011, 4:52 p.m. CST

    And then, of course, "Grumpier Old Men In Black."

    by WriteForTheEdit

  • April 12, 2011, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Charlie Sheen has announced "Two And A Half Men In Black."

    by WriteForTheEdit

    VERY excited for that one.

  • April 12, 2011, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Don't believe everything you read in TB's

    by Bobo_Vision

  • ...complain non-stop about those movies too. Give me a break troll.

  • April 12, 2011, 5 p.m. CST

    THIS MOVIE IS GOING TO BE GODAWFUL!!! FACT!!!!!!

    by THE_CHOPPAH

  • April 12, 2011, 5:01 p.m. CST

    meeting the young K...questions.

    by zom-bot.com

    wouldn't K already know him when they meet decades later (in MIB1)? oh shit. flashing red mind wipe. never mind. with that plot device, they can pretty much do anything and keep rebooting or even place movies in between the previous movies.

  • April 12, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Where's the spoilers??

    by ShiftyEyedDog

    We've known Brolin was young TLJ for a loooong time now. What about these pics was in ANY way a spoiler? That they stand around in black suits and get in a car??

  • April 12, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    I sold an old dot matrix printer

    by tim

    And matching amber terminal for this movie. I work for a reseller (CodeMicro check us out) so there will definitely be a scene where an old printer prints something out for them!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, **SPOILER**

  • April 12, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    yes but will there be a scene where...

    by zom-bot.com

    josh brolin is riding a tiny bike and is held onto a speeding car? that would be awesome.

  • April 12, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST

    will will smith get an assassination attempt?

    by zom-bot.com

    - like ahole ramirez said, times were different for blacks in the 60's.....will he accidentally rub elbows with MLK or malcom X and will he somehow affect the future of black america in some cornball causal loop? i'd bet a testicle on it. will we see humanoid aliens getting hit with firehoses? alien only bathrooms and water fountains?

  • April 12, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST

    This is spoiled how?

    by Dollar Bird

    Didn't we know this is what was happening plot-wise, or did I dream that?

  • April 12, 2011, 5:13 p.m. CST

    second pic:

    by zom-bot.com

    looks like brolin is telling the punchline to an old guy-type dirty joke and will is pretending that it's funny. not a genuine laugh..at least, not as entertained by the joke as brolin was.

  • April 12, 2011, 5:16 p.m. CST

    definitely some prosthetics work there

    by Stifler's Mom

    Brolin's nose and teeth are not his own. Subtle but perfect. Dead ringer.

  • April 12, 2011, 5:20 p.m. CST

    J will be pissed to find out

    by zom-bot.com

    jimmy hendrix was really an alien with a huge penis that could set guitars on fire with his mind.

  • April 12, 2011, 5:23 p.m. CST

    WILL LORD XENU MAKE AN APPEARANCE?

    by zom-bot.com

    did tom cruise ever get Smith to convert to scientology or not, i forget.

  • April 12, 2011, 5:24 p.m. CST

    has_snyder_blah_blah: Brolin was excellent in W.

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

    He was also in American Gangster, Milk and True Grit. He's allowed the rare screw up like Jonah Hex.

  • April 12, 2011, 5:25 p.m. CST

    the scariest/worst thing about a third movie:

    by zom-bot.com

    the new Will Smith dance track. I wonder what the new 'jiggy' or 'willenium'-esque catchterm will be? oh, and will his kids make appearances? oh you fucking bet.

  • April 12, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST

    scientology: i do know cruise was courting him on it

    by zom-bot.com

    but yes, i vaguely remember smith surprisingly not going for it. make that one thing i like about him.

  • The difference between Tom Cruise and him? He makes this look goooooood.

  • April 12, 2011, 5:33 p.m. CST

    i had also heard he was keeping his S-tology on the downlow

    by zom-bot.com

    to not freakout his massive black and christina fanbase.

  • April 12, 2011, 5:33 p.m. CST

    CHRISTIAN FANBASE

    by zom-bot.com

    although a christina fanbase wouldn't be too bad either.

  • April 12, 2011, 5:36 p.m. CST

    yeah but they weren't full fledged stars yet

    by zom-bot.com

    and they weren't in the MOVIE. now they will be.

  • April 12, 2011, 5:38 p.m. CST

    will they give the origin of K's pock marked face?

    by zom-bot.com

    a splash of alien blood, perhaps?

  • April 12, 2011, 5:45 p.m. CST

    "He looks like a young Tommy Lee Jones…"

    by 11dayempire

    Excellent, we know who to cast when they eventually get around to making an adaptation of William Gibson's Virtual Light, then… :)

  • April 12, 2011, 5:49 p.m. CST

    MAD MEN IN BLACK 3

    by Shubniggorath

    Why go to the 60s when they can go to the 50s?

  • April 12, 2011, 5:54 p.m. CST

    if K was brolins age now in the sixties....

    by zom-bot.com

    he was like 70+ in MIB 1 and 2?

  • April 12, 2011, 5:55 p.m. CST

    maybe they'll run into the x-men.

    by zom-bot.com

    seriously, it's 60's overload right now. will we see the White Queen sneaking out of the Draper household to go to the hellfire club, where J and K are investigating 'strange humanoids'?

  • April 12, 2011, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Josh Hartnett = Tommy Lee Jones, here's why...

    by DickBallsworth

    http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/9/27/128670511471695795.jpg

  • April 12, 2011, 6 p.m. CST

    I'd be more excited

    by Ardee-El

    if they'd just release the animated series on DVD. Barry Sonnenfeld lost all my trust after his abominable Wild Wild West.

  • April 12, 2011, 6:02 p.m. CST

    ha ha dickballsworth.....

    by zom-bot.com

    i think i know your real name. ;) and you may know mine. i'll keep your secret, batman.

  • April 12, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST

    How about releasing MiB 2 with the original ending

    by Nem_Wan

    Just put in a title card saying it's June 2001 or something.

  • April 12, 2011, 6:05 p.m. CST

    what if J going back into the 60's

    by zom-bot.com

    is actually the the origin and source of JIVE TALK. people pick up the will-isms, and the eventually morph into the urban talk of the late 60's and seventies, where a young J/will smith grows up and learns to speak thusly. then goes back in time and plants that very seed. mind blown.

  • April 12, 2011, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Will & Jada are also gay (on the downlow)

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

    Which is perfectly okay, as far as I'm concerned. I just wanted it addressed since we're bringing up their personal lives..

  • April 12, 2011, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Elfman better come back for this...

    by doom master

    I doubt he will (he doesnt like doing sequels) but if he does not come back for this I might not really care for it.... Elfman's score made the movie what it is. Unless they toss in someone to riff off Elfman's cues...

  • April 12, 2011, 6:13 p.m. CST

    ERF.

    by zom-bot.com

  • April 12, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Alternate Erf.

    by zom-bot.com

  • April 12, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST

    The math doesn't add up.

    by Voice O. Reason

    Tommy Lee Jones and Josh Brolin aren't far enough apart in age for Jones to have looked like Brolin a HALF-CENTURY ago. Maybe if they were travelling back in time to the 1980s.

  • April 12, 2011, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Brolin is too old for Jones in 1963

    by ColonelAmerica

    If the "present day" is now, then 1963 would be Tommy Lee Jones at about 20, not 40ish Josh Brolin. Or is the movie's present still 1997, making Jones about 30ish in the 60s. Either way, unless Agent K is supposed to be in his 80s, Brolin is too old.

  • April 12, 2011, 6:17 p.m. CST

    voice o reason

    by zom-bot.com

    i agree. but the series is totally open to using some gimmick like K drinking some alien life extension serum or even going cryogenic in the seventies for all we know, unfortunately. i mean we already assume the MIB are high tech.

  • April 12, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    but that's also me doing their writing for them...

    by zom-bot.com

    and they totally don't deserve the effort. why do we do that as cinema fans? try to fill in the huge mistakes of directors and writers that get paid amounts of money for one movie that we will never accumulate in our entire lives.

  • April 12, 2011, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Tommy Lee Jones is 64, Josh brolin is 43

    by Dan

    Tommy lee jones would have been in his 20's in the 1960's. I think seeing the MIB in the 80's would be interesting but for some reason they're going to cheat and get will smith in the 60's. I'm guessing Agent K was bitten by a space bug or infected by an alien virus that makes him age really slowly.

  • April 12, 2011, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III

    by Chief Joseph

    "The Turtles are back... in Time!!!" Yeah, it sucked.

  • April 12, 2011, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Tommy Lee Jones has looked like he was 40 his entire life

    by zooch

    little known fact.

  • April 12, 2011, 6:39 p.m. CST

    That ... is .. fucking ... creepy ...

    by Royston Lodge

  • April 12, 2011, 6:40 p.m. CST

    the eyes are the windows to the soul.

    by zom-bot.com

    ..the gay, sweet, fancy-pants soul.

  • April 12, 2011, 6:44 p.m. CST

    ALIEN STD's are real:

    by zom-bot.com

    http://www.imagekind.com/GREEN-LIPS_art?IMID=2382685f-8a0d-4605-9075-f43af0f853d3

  • April 12, 2011, 6:50 p.m. CST

    I never listened to the gay rumors about Will & Jada

    by Chief Joseph

    Until I noticed Jada has to mention how great her sex life with Will is in EVERY FRICKIN' INTERVIEW. OK, we get it. And I doubt your kids want to even think about it.

  • Seriously. The man doesn't know the difference between a "prediction", an "opinion" and a FACT, which is #1 - and #2 is that pretty much everyone here is really tired of him jacking threads with his spam. Does he actually think it's interesting to WRITE EVERYTHING IN CAPITAL LETTERS AND ADD EXCLAMATION POINTS? Ugh. People like him are a dime-a-dozen on the internet, but I didn't think they'd end up here.

  • April 12, 2011, 7:07 p.m. CST

    @ahole ramirez...do you really want to be...

    by dasheight

    ...talking about seeing "gayness" in "people's eyes" and talking about "gayness" as much as you do when your MONIKER includes the word, "ahole"? You're giving yourself away, fancy pants.

  • obviously you don't pay attention to how they headline articles here. even the lamest of them use caps and unneeded exclamation points. examples: " DEAD LIKE ME! SILVER SPOONS! HEE-HAW!!! ALL $13 FOR 3 WEEKS!!! RUMORS THAT THERE MAY BE ANOTHER BATMAN MOVIE IN THE WORKS SOMETIME THIS CENTURY!!!!!! CONFIRMED: ELIJAH WOOD TO STAR IN THE DVD VERSION OF LORD OF THE RINGS!!!

  • April 12, 2011, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Oh, so THAT'S why Rip Torn won't be in this...

    by bubcus

    "Accused of breaking into a Connecticut bank with a gun [January 30, 2010]." - IMDB Tommy Lee Jones is in the credits for MIB3 so we'll definitely be seeing more of him. No problem there. I am okay with a time travel film as long as they have that script fixed up. Loved the first MIB, only liked the last five minutes of the second one.

  • April 12, 2011, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Will and Jada aren't gay

    by Hipshot

    They might be bi. But both of them have definitely enjoyed sex with the opposite sex. Never met either, but know people who know 'em and have been around 'em. At most, they're just freaky and like it every which way. As for blacks in the 60's getting a lot of racist comments--depends on where you were. I lived through the 60's, and if you were in a major city, and didn't hang with assholes, no there was no major problem. Little Southern town? Hell Naw.

  • April 12, 2011, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Men in Bald III

    by Gorgomel

    yeah they are too old for this shit

  • April 12, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST

    As far as Tom Cruise, however...

    by Hipshot

    I have a friend who worked costumes on a Cruise movie, and said that Tom was making googly eyes at a very gay young man, they disappeared into his trailer, which proceeded to rock a bit, and both emerged a couple of hours later looking quite relaxed. Not proof, but no one on-set seemed to doubt what was going on.

  • April 12, 2011, 7:27 p.m. CST

    ronald reagan is (was) an alien?

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

  • April 12, 2011, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Has-Synder-Been-Fired.....Bit Hypocritical?

    by MagnoliAB

    Calling people nerds and complaining about people liking super hero movies.... then has a name about The SynderMan movie. I don't consider myself what you may call, a "nerd," you have to admit that time travel is weak, grasping, and desperate plot to take when you need something new for inject some life into the story. Please see: LOST. Season was good, final was incredible, but clearly they just used time travel, because it was an isolated season that had no real barring on any other season, including the final season, and it left continunity issues. LOST writers didn't even think of time travel til after Season 3... when they were low on ideas... as evidenced by the final season.

  • April 12, 2011, 7:28 p.m. CST

    will's hair is overly manicured around the sides

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    looks laborious to maintain

  • April 12, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST

    *Stick it out!* ;)

    by Darth_Kong

  • April 12, 2011, 7:33 p.m. CST

    X-MEN IN BLACK lll

    by DrMorbius

  • April 12, 2011, 7:33 p.m. CST

    X-MEN IN BLACK lll

    by DrMorbius

  • April 12, 2011, 7:36 p.m. CST

    CHILDREN OF MEN IN BLACK lll

    by DrMorbius

  • April 12, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST

    12 ANGRY MEN IN BLACK lll

    by DrMorbius

  • April 12, 2011, 7:41 p.m. CST

    OF MICE AND MEN IN BLACK lll

    by DrMorbius

  • April 12, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST

    WHOA. BROLIN LOOKS *JUST* LIKE TOMMY LEE JONES.

    by BringingSexyBack

    But then again, all you crackers look alike to me.

  • April 12, 2011, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Faked Pics?

    by Mothergrimm

    These look faked to me unless Brolin has developed a super large head compared to Smith's. His dome is larger even when he is in the background and Smith is in the foreground. Something seems amiss.

  • April 12, 2011, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Uh, yeah, what's the "spoiler" here guys?

    by Elgyn6655321

    The 'time travel' plot has been known forever now. Jesus, isn't this a 'movie news' site?

  • April 12, 2011, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Goddamn Brolin looks hot

    by ThisBethesdaSea

    He's the hottest thing in movies! He needs a nude scene!

  • April 12, 2011, 8:14 p.m. CST

    When was the last time you saw Will Smith have a love scene in a movie?

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

    Not counting the BJ in Bad Boys 2. Go ahead. I'll wait.

  • April 12, 2011, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Hell. How many times have you seen him kiss a woman in a movie?

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

  • April 12, 2011, 8:23 p.m. CST

    I really dislike time-travel stories...

    by vorlonkosh

    They are way over-used, and of all the stories out there, they are the most unlikely to ever occur, being that backward time travel is impossible. This movie will have to be something special....

  • April 12, 2011, 8:23 p.m. CST

    BLACK TO THE FUTURE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Welcome to Earf, boy!

  • April 12, 2011, 8:26 p.m. CST

    huey_freemans_afro

    by Darth_Kong

    He's into college basketball players. A black sound-mixer told me this years ago. Hope this helps.

  • April 12, 2011, 8:36 p.m. CST

    mr ahole ramirez: Not as long as I'm alive on Earff.

    by Darth_Kong

  • April 12, 2011, 8:51 p.m. CST

    mr ahole ramirez

    by Darth_Kong

    Don't get mad at me. This isn't a race issue. I've heard far worse stories from crew members about Travolta. Again, it's only what crew members are saying.

  • April 12, 2011, 9:03 p.m. CST

    They've really made improvements since the young Jeff Bridges TRON head

    by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls

    Wait. That's not CG? Sumbitch.

  • April 12, 2011, 9:10 p.m. CST

    mr ahole ramirez

    by Darth_Kong

    I'm actually afraid of Harry. When I hear his name I think, Harry "The Iron Ban Hammer" Knowles. I'm actually probably way off about all of my Prometheus predictions and I fully expect to take a BEATING on this site when details finally leak or come out. When the time comes, take as many shots at me as you like. I'll take my beating. The way I see it though no one else is predicting so I will. Until someone crazier than me comes along I will continue to indulge myself in the TELEPATHIC battle against STUDIO SECRECY. It's crazy though, I can't believe the things crew members have told me about people in the entertainment industry. It will curl your eyebrows.

  • April 12, 2011, 9:17 p.m. CST

    LOOK AT MY SUBJECT IN ALL CAPS

    by Sir Loin

    ...just like bringingsexyback, who always needs the extra attention, regardless of the topic at hand.

  • April 12, 2011, 9:18 p.m. CST

    The fake nose appliance really sells it.

    by TheJudger

    I am guessing they will bring Young K into the future somehow. This way they can make more sequels. TLJ aint getting any younger.

  • April 12, 2011, 9:21 p.m. CST

    But will there be a scene where...

    by kiwicanuck

    Will Smith takes his shirt off to do pull-ups/take a shower/stand around flexing?

  • April 12, 2011, 9:22 p.m. CST

    by Shan

    China has apparently banned all time travel movies and TV shows.

  • April 12, 2011, 9:25 p.m. CST

    How can there be any spoilers? The script isn't finished.

    by TylerScruggs

    At least it wasn't when shooting started.

  • April 12, 2011, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Will Smith Love scenes

    by Hipshot

    No black or Asian star has ever had a love scene in a film that earned over 100 million. Will had one in "Seven Pounds" and it tanked at the box office, earning about 30% of his previous. Those are facts. Now, one can argue the meaning of them, but my interpretation is pretty simple: male human beings aren't comfortable watching sex scenes featuring males of other racial groups, and they react, unconsciously, by disliking the movie--which affects its box office. Now, you could answer that "Seven Pounds was a lousy movie" but you'd find an interesting level of disagreement depending on whether you poll white or black viewers. After all, "Seven Pounds" won an NAACP Image Award for "Best Dramatic Picture" so the dislike can reasonably be considered to be most powerful in the white community. You might answer that blacks gave it a "pass," that they were willing to overlook its flaws. Could be. But it would also be reasonable to suggest that blacks were no more likely to distort their judgment positively than whites were to distort it negatively. No non-white male star ever. Most whites won't want to believe this, but they could go to boxoffice Mojo and check it out: about 23% of films that made over 100 million had love scenes. About 20% of those movies had non-white leads. Not one of those leads got laid. If you don't see a statistical blip, you just don't want to see it. Again, my theory of WHY is debatable. The fact itself is not.

  • April 12, 2011, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Hipshot

    by MoffatBabies

    That's fascinating. Males AND females? Or just males?

  • April 12, 2011, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Mr Ahole: I didn't see Seven Pounds because...

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

    There was absolutely nothing in the trailer that hooked me. I did not know that about Rosario Dawson, though. Nice shot in the dark, but I'm not too crazy about alien movies.

  • April 12, 2011, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Monster's Ball may not have surpassed 100 million

    by Bobo_Vision

    But Halle Berry won an Oscar for bumping uglies with Billy Ray Cyrus.

  • Does that count?

  • April 12, 2011, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Seven Pounds: racial bias vs bad luck

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

    I didn't know that either, Hipshot, but it doesn't surprise me in the least. I'm impressed (and depressed) by those stats you quoted. I've always said there is undeniably a passive-aggressive racist streak in "liberal" Hollywood. That being said: Can we say the movie tanked at least in part because of the content and/or love scene? (Note: I have not seen the movie) Or can did it bomb because it was release at the same time as The Wrestler?

  • April 12, 2011, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Yeah Sam dying was a bitch

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

  • April 12, 2011, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Bobo: It's always a completely different story when the gender roles are reversed.

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

    If it were Jennifer Aniston and Forrest Whitaker, you can bet your ass America would've reacted differently. Wait a sec, Bobo. Are you a racist? I honestly don't remember, but I seem to remember you saying something fucked up.

  • Pesos at least

  • April 12, 2011, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Always up for a good time travel tale + Josh really look like Tommy!

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    Wow, that last pic is almost scary. I haven't seen W, but Josh Brolin seem to be quite the chameleon? He deserves to be in the A-list in my opinion.

  • April 12, 2011, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Traffic made 124 million domestic

    by Bobo_Vision

    And Erika Christiensen got fucked by that African American drug dealer.

  • April 12, 2011, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Script Problems=Rewrites to Shove Annoying Fucking Kids in it

    by conspiracy

    As many have said; there is no way that raging familial narcissist Will Smith will let this film go by without finding a way to shove his talentless spoiled brats in it...probably singing and dancing like the well coached little animatronics they are. The fucker probably has "The Path to a Dynasty is Nepotism" inked around Jada's reportedly well used baby chunnel.

  • April 12, 2011, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Even though I think there's validity to hipshot's analysis....

    by Bobo_Vision

    ...I think movie studios have probably figured the same thing and steered clear of black dudes ramming white women in blockbuster films....but I think America is ready for it. If Denzel had a love scene with Julia Roberts...I think America would come watch. But Denzel doesn't fuck white women on film by choice. <p> I'm not sure America would watch black dudes fucking black women in droves, though... <p> And I think hipshot's analysis only holds true for male leads. Kevin Costner plowing Whitney Houston in The Bodyguard earned 121 million domestic.

  • April 12, 2011, 11:30 p.m. CST

    hipshot, get a load of this

    by BadMrWonka

    I mentioned to one of my buddies your statistic about love scenes and minorities, and he couldn't believe it. so he googled "black love scene"...and the top movies that came up? Meet Joe Black and Black Swan...2 movies without a single minority in even a supporting role. not statistically significant, but pretty sad/funny, I thought.

  • April 12, 2011, 11:32 p.m. CST

    all these posts and no 'aw hell naw's

    by zom-bot.com

    i'm almost weepingly proud of you guys.

  • April 12, 2011, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Josh Brolin is a motherfuckin chameleon!

    by Ray_Tango

    I swear he's a totally new man in every film. A bit like Tom Hardy. The guy in No Country For Old Men can't be the same dude in Wall St 2... right? I guess that's the power of the moustache.

  • April 13, 2011, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Bobo: Your bad examples only strengthen my point.

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

    Were you joking when you named the rape scene in Traffic? The rich white girl whose life spirals so far downhill that she gets basically kidnapped and raped by a black criminal. And this is your idea of Hollywood's acceptance of interracial sex?? And actually Denzel did fuck Milla Jovovich in He Got Game. You can't really deny that most interracial romance and sex is treated as a taboo in American movies. Even in Hancock (Will Smith again) his "kiss" with Charlize Theron happened completely off camera.

  • April 13, 2011, 12:04 a.m. CST

    epic fail

    by corplhicks

    this will fail

  • April 13, 2011, 12:41 a.m. CST

    MIB is another over rated pile of shit

    by disfigurehead

    I'll skip it

  • April 13, 2011, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Men in Black is the most overrated movie ever

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    seriously I can't think of a single other film that was so popular and yet was so amazingly mediocre.

  • April 13, 2011, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Where are the spoilers?

    by jwhj2007

    The only thing I see is that K seems to be happier in the past. We all knew Brolin was playing a young Jones.

  • April 13, 2011, 1:46 a.m. CST

    The Biggest Plot Hole in the Whole Series

    by monolithik

    Is them expecting us to believe that a black man would go back in time to anything before 1980. http://youtu.be/TG4f9zR5yzY

  • April 13, 2011, 1:49 a.m. CST

    why this movie WILL succeed

    by HongKongCavalier

    ... because Will is the prototype "Safe Black Guy". The other Black guys in this TB will know exactly what I mean. As far as America's aversion to a Mandingo love scene ... I gotta agree. Even the "he's so hot right now" Idris Elba would vanish from sight if he did the nasty with Aniston. Yeah, I don't think any career can recover from that taboo oh ... almost forgot: me pay money to see Will Smith? AW HELL NAW

  • April 13, 2011, 1:59 a.m. CST

    mr ahole ramirez

    by BadMrWonka

    as someone who lived in Russia and the Ukraine as a kid, let me tell you...no, it's not. They're all white as shit. Kazakhs are a little closer to the Asian end of the spectrum, but the Ukrainians are basically no different than Russians, ethnically. Mila Kunis is even more removed, since she is actually ethnically Wonkabonerian. at least, that's what I've heard.

  • April 13, 2011, 3:11 a.m. CST

    I gotta admit...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...that this Tommy Lee Jones impersonation of the criminally underrated Josh Brolin did touch my eyeball at least a little bit.

  • April 13, 2011, 3:40 a.m. CST

    "Your bad examples only strengthen my point" - Huey_Freemans_Afro

    by Bobo_Vision

    You mean they strengthen hipshot's point. Are you taking credit for hipshot's post? I was talking and directing my post directly at his because yours seemed idiotic. <p>

  • April 13, 2011, 4:01 a.m. CST

    "Brolin's Goonies stories"

    by fitz-hume

    I'd certainly like to hear them but I think Ke Huy Quan a.k.a. Data a.k.a. Short Round would have the most coolest stories of them all. Of course having played Corey Webster in Thrashin' Brolin isn't far off of Ke Huy Quan in the 80s coolness factor.

  • April 13, 2011, 5:27 a.m. CST

    SPOILER?

    by rodneyfaile

    How is that a spoiler pic? What does it give away? They still wear black suits and Josh Brolin is in the movie?

  • April 13, 2011, 5:34 a.m. CST

    "will his kids make appearances?"

    by buggerbugger

    The Karate Kid's bound to turn up as a young Will Smith for a brief moment or two during the 1960s scenes. He'll be a little kid who totally loves the idea of monsters and aliens, but he'll see an actual alien and be so traumatised by it that he'll deny their existence to himself all the way up to the events of 'Men in Black 1'. Bah, I say.

  • April 13, 2011, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Answers

    by Hipshot

  • April 13, 2011, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Answers

    by Hipshot

    Everyone's been pretty polite so far, and I appreciate it. I'm trying to differentiate between facts (the statistics) and my interpretations of those facts (opinions, even if they have a certain predictive capacity, and make sociobiological sense). Here we go: 1) No, the rules aren't the same for women. Halle Berry and other black women have had love scenes that audiences were willing to drool over...as long as it was with white guys. 2) No, sub-groups of white people don't count as "inter-racial." Yeah, there is no actual scientifically valid line of demarcation between groups, and all of this devolves into perception. but on the social level, and for the sake of clarity, I ask you to pretend that the human race is divided into three basic groups: black, white, Asian. The statistics pop up with glaring clarity when you look at it this way. Jews, Arabs, even East Indians don't trigger this response the same way. 3) Vin Diesel MIGHT be considered to have gotten across this line. I talked to him about this one time. While he has some black blood, he has worked very hard (shaving his head to remove a visual cue, for instance) to be "exotic" instead of black. And the result has been pretty clear: he doesn't trigger this response. 4) It ain't Hollywood. I never said the movies don't get made. I said that the public won't turn out for them. In my opinion, if you think that by some odd statistical fluke every movie where a non-white male had sex "just happened" to be bad, you are deluding yourself. You are believing that your perception of subjective quality is the same an an objective measure of length or weight. Sorry. 5) No, I don't believe white people are especially bigoted. But they do outnumber the other groups, so their natural tendency to tribalism has serious weight. I'd suggest that about 10% of the American public measures people primarily by racial identification. Look at these talkbacks, and catch the percentage of bigoted references. 6) Perhaps America is "ready" for a black star having sex, perhaps not. But note the only film in which any black actor (and certainly not a star--just some nameless pusher-pimp) has sex is "Traffic", where instead of it being considered something positive, romantic, and desirable, it is clearly the lower level of hell. And THAT image white audiences agreed with, and rewarded with 125 million at the box office. 7) In addition to Diesel, I've talked to other black stars and directors about this phenomenon. Sam Jackson, for instance, said that on "Shaft" the director was forced to fold to pressure from the studio, which lied and kept pushing the sex scene back and back...until they finally just said "don't do it." Wesley Snipes was promised a love interest in the third Blade movie, and David Goyer reneged once he'd signed the contract, leading to the ugliness that pretty much ended with Wes being told "you'll never work in this town again." I know that's not Goyer's version of the story. Believe what you want. ## A cynical part of me wonders if the first black actor to get across the 100 million mark will be Jaden Smith--and that very real possibility is unconsciously recognized, and the core of much of the hating--which disproportionately comes from white viewers, so far as I can see. This is just fear of change, fear of the "other," fear of loss of cultural privilege. It is as old as mankind, but it seriously sucks to be living through it.

  • April 13, 2011, 6:47 a.m. CST

    hipshot....great post once again

    by Bobo_Vision

    It's interesting that, as you say, Indians, Jews, and Arabs don't provoke the same response. Structurally, those groups have the same facial features as Caucasians. Round eyes, small nose, etc. But Asians have "mongoloid eyes", and blacks have a different nose, cheek bones, musculature, and genitals. I think the different genitals is a big part of it.

  • April 13, 2011, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Oh wait....

    by Bobo_Vision

    ....scratch the small nose part for those groups. But round eyes....yeah.

  • April 13, 2011, 7:10 a.m. CST

    I think racial history has something to do with it

    by Hipshot

    In England, blacks and Asians seem to be more "exotic" rather than "other." You see films like "love, Actually" where interracial relationships are matter of fact in a way they NEVER are in American film (unless it is the woman who is black or Asian.) Now, that's not to say English people don't have a negative response. The ratings for "Luther" tanked precisely after two episodes in which black men were boinking "white" women. Coincidence? Could be. I have no data on other such imagery in other shows. But in America, the social history has created so much fear and anger that it has to be added to whatever Amygdalic fear response skin color triggers in us. I mean, we had to get 100 years beyond slavery to even BEGIN to heal, and the process is probably just now really beginning (in the same way that you have to clean out a wound before it can really heal). Its a fascinating, painful process to watch. Or live through.

  • April 13, 2011, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Men in Black IIID?

    by MamboMan

  • April 13, 2011, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Hey, where the white women at?

    by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls

    This discussion has gone on far too long without a Blazing Saddles reference.

  • April 13, 2011, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Looks like Will Smith and Ronald Reagan

    by MaliceHighload

    [this space intentionally left blank]

  • April 13, 2011, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Will Michael Jacskon Be in This One?!!!

    by apna

  • April 13, 2011, 8:23 a.m. CST

    NAW HAIL AWW!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Get it? Time travel? hehe

  • April 13, 2011, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Size of Brolin's noggin'! He's in the driver side of the

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    car and his head is STILL bigger than Smith's. Will the movie explain what incident occured in the past to cause all that acne scarring?

  • April 13, 2011, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Looks painfully stupid.

    by Jeffrey

  • April 13, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST

    hipshot

    by tradeskilz

    I'm white and i beleive you might be right. However this is hardly a caucasian issue and can be seen all over the world. Especially south east asia region, Japan, China and so on. Privilege of the majority and what not. Those people are fiercly prejudice against caucasians and don't even hide it even when we are standing in front of them. Still we have our prosperity and Hollywood to thank for being somewhat accepted. They want our money and our advertising has made sure that we've projected to everyone what the "standard" should be for beauty. Still, blacks are even worse off in those regions. Your post made me wonder though if i'm suffering from the same racial bias you are talking about. Maybe subconciously i DO react negatively to black on white sex scenes? That would make me kind of racist...

  • April 13, 2011, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Problem?

    by Kenny Adams

    http://i.imgur.com/tXcZY.jpg Seriously the FIRST thing I thought of...

  • April 13, 2011, 10:03 a.m. CST

    DON'T THEY EAT WHITE PEOPLE IN AFRICA?

    by BringingSexyBack

    I'm just saying - there are different levels of racism.

  • April 13, 2011, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Men In Black stories should be easy...

    by Andrew Coleman

    Alien villains trying to destroy the planet. The cartoon even had some great stories. Yet the sequel was just HORRIBLE. Now they are using time travel... Ugh. Things concerning racism have gotten better... Except online on chat boards where basement trolls use race to fuel their hate rants. The Internet does not help when it comes to racial issues. But that's not a big deal it's mainly worthless sacks doing that who don't matter. I believe in an overall matter racism is dying down at least in America.

  • April 13, 2011, 10:44 a.m. CST

    RACISM IS A CONTINUING PROBLEM IN NYC

    by BringingSexyBack

    Daily News reported on a group of black kids attacking old Asian women on the LES. Clearly a series of hate crimes and the police have already classified them as so. I hope they catch them soon.

  • April 13, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Wow - wouldn't have thought Brolin was such a TLJ match

    by VAwitch

    But yeah, he does look similar enough that I'll believe it on-screen. But overall, color me hesitant for MIB3.

  • April 13, 2011, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Tradeskilz

    by Hipshot

    I specifically said that this is not something specially bad about white people, that I see it as a universal. I see NOTHING special about white people, positive or negative. Its just the human condition. And yes, you probably do have an unconscious "flinch" response--especially if the black man is with a white woman. It would be totally natural to expect that. Might be quite mild, but it would make little sense not to expect it to show up a hair, just as I'm not thrilled to see white men with black women--although if I saw black men having sex with ANY woman more often, it wouldn't be so irritating. But "racist"? I wouldnt' say that. I'd say you have the human tendency toward tribalism, and a healthy, functioning amygdala. The fact that you can even address the question rationally means you are more awake than the average person, white or black. Take pride in that, and simply commit to being the best person you can be. The rest follows naturally, in time.

  • April 13, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    I hear in Japan...

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

    If you are a black man flirting with a Japanese woman, the Japanese men can get incredibly hostile. (though not as nasty as the Chinese) So says a good friend of mine anyway. And NO, he's not a thug. Just a smart, confident guy.

  • April 13, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Hipshot you rock

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

    The comment boards of the world needs more people like you.

  • April 13, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    I don't care, I don't care, I don't care.

    by Orion

  • April 13, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Wow, Brolin is such a role whore

    by THAT_SAID_THE_CHOPPAH

    He''l be in anything. He's quickly becoming the new Robert DeNiro.

  • April 13, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Monkey in box = Men In Black script.

    by venvariants

    Seriously. How hard can a screenplay be for this tripe?

  • April 13, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Willow Smiff should be the talking pug alien

    by THAT_SAID_THE_CHOPPAH

  • April 13, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Does it make me a racist if I only eat red licorice?

    by Royston Lodge

  • April 13, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Will Smith's real name is

    by murren

    Willard Christopher Smith, Jr.

  • April 13, 2011, 2:13 p.m. CST

    'xcuse me while I whip this out...

    by kiwicanuck

  • April 13, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Brolin WAS pretty good in Wall Street 2 though,

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    at least I thought.

  • That alone is a classy move.

  • April 13, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST

    podbaydoor, just ignore braindrain

    by THAT_SAID_THE_CHOPPAH

    Brolin's a good actor. I just question his choice of roles lately.

  • April 13, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    I met Josh Brolin

    by Billy_D_Williams

    in 2006 at Virgin Megastore on Sunset blvd in West Hollywood...super, super nice guy.

  • April 13, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST

    colonelamerica, "brolin's too old"

    by IceTitan

    Good grief man, I think we can let something like that go in a movie about time travel and aliens can't we? I mean, everyone in the tb is astonished at how well these pictures look and you're still like "I don't care how perfect this is, it's WRONG." Get over it buddy.

  • April 13, 2011, 3:23 p.m. CST

    hipshot

    by Billy_D_Williams

    great, level headed informative comments the whole race thing especially in film is something that has always bothered me in the simplest terms, its merely programming...as the mind is nothing more than an extremely advanced computing device, and can thusly be programmed through very subtle and not so subtle means, whether the person is aware of it or not (most racists grow up in racists households and/or communities, which provide the racism "program")...others, as in most everyone else, are indirectly programmed through repetitious racially divided entertainment; movies, TV, video games, music videos, etc, which very subtley and subversively program the mind over time...its why you have the urge to eat after seeing a fast food commercial. the sad thing is, most people aren't even aware this is happening and aren't even cognizant when they make bigoted and/or racist comments...they're merely playing out the program that's been installed in them. but the will supercedes all... and even if someone is programmed, they can consciously choose to ignore it, even though psychologically and physiologically they're urged to play out the program...The Matrix movies go into this heavily. it helps to view all this racist stuff coldly and matter of factly through technical metaphor because it helps to disengage the programs, as they are not whole you really are...ever say to yourself "why am i doing this?"...who is the one asking the question...it's not the programming.

  • April 13, 2011, 4 p.m. CST

    dioxholster

    by Billy_D_Williams

    not computers...the mind, which is nothing more than an insanely complex computing device.

  • April 13, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Correlation doesn’t equal causation, hipshot.

    by frank

    Example: cities with more Applebee’s restaurants also have more annual murders. Does this mean that eating at Applebee’s makes people homicidal? Possibly, but it is more likely that both values are a function of the cities’ population sizes. Let’s look at the case of movies with non-white males in sex scenes not making over 100 million dollars. First of all, most movies that make a lot of money are rated PG-13 and tend not to have sex scenes. Also, most movies feature white males as the main protagonists. This might be kind of racist in itself, but also it might be a function of the demographics that make up the moviegoing populace. Either way, if you combine the facts that most high grossing movies star white guys and don’t have sex scenes, it is not that surprising that there aren’t any very high grossing movies with black or asian men in sex scenes. It seems kind of foolish to think that significant numbers of people are staying away from movies because they feature a black guy in a sex scene. It is unlikely that most would even be aware of that fact before they saw the movie, unless the sex scene were in the preview or something. I think it is a lot more believable that a significant number of white people wouldn’t be as interested in seeing a movie featuring a non-white protagonist. I am not saying there isn’t some racism involved in determining which movies are successful, but I think you re being kind of paranoid in the particular conclusions you have drawn from the stats you cited.

  • April 13, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST

    It doesn't even have to be a sex scene...

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

    Just kissing, making out or implied sex between a non-white male and white female is treated as a taboo. Or the characters are depicted as slutty or dislikable in some way. Hell, if you feature more than just a couple of token minorities, your movie will be considered a "black/ethnic/urban" movie. This is nothing new.

  • April 13, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Also, Brolin was excellent as George W. Bush!

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

    Even if you didn't like the movie, you can't deny he did a great job of becoming the man.

  • April 13, 2011, 5:07 p.m. CST

    franks_television

    by Hipshot

    You didn't read my comments carefully. I am totally aware that correlation doesn't mean causality. I ask you to wonder if there might be a reason you didn't want to hear what I'm saying. Here it is: in movies that earn over 100 million dollars, approximately 22-23% have love scenes. Approximately 20% of such movies have non-white leads. 100% of the sex scenes, however, are with the white leads. Now: your statement about most of them being PG-13 is totally irrelevant: I gave the percentage of those that did, and films like AVATAR and TITANIC fit nicely, as does every Bond movie, and about 100 others (closer to 80, really, but you get the point). The fact that "most of these films have white stars"--uh...didn't you catch the part where I said that about 20% of them had non-white stars? I'm not saying more of them should have white stars. I'm not saying more of them should have sex. I said that there is this weird statistical blip, where ONLY those with white stars get to cross that line and have nookie. And by the way: the reactions of white heterosexual males is totally consistent: denial, attempts to find counter examples, looking at the facts themselves, and then either try to blame those darn liberal racist movie executives, or simply not replying. The question is: why the statistical blip? Why out of the 80 or so movies with sex that passed the 100 million mark, are not 20% of them or about 16, featuring non-white stars as do the rest of that group? I present the statistics, which are inarguable. I then present my THEORY, clearly stated as such: that unconscious tribalism, present in ALL human beings, creates this slight aversion that makes people say: "eh...I don't like that movie. It's just not good" at least partially because almost NO ONE will admit, publicly at least, to being racist any more, although clearly it is part of the human psyche. That implies that it might be difficult for people to even admit it to themselves. All it would take is what I call a "10% disconnect" to males of the "other" group to create the phenomenon. One can either ignore the data, or try to come up with a better theory. Mine has the elegance of predictive capacity: for thirty years I've been able to predict box office pretty damned well. this "10% disconnect" would explain so much, world wide, in politics, violence, economics, incarceration statistics...it's amazing how much of the world makes sense if you simply realize "tribalism" is still with us, driving unconscious decision making. Remember: about 80 movies have had sex and still earned over 100 million. About 20% of 100 million plus films had non-white stars. Not one of the sexual movies had a black or Asian male star gettin' jiggy. I've presented my stats, reasoning, and theory. I would love to hear yours. Trust me: black stars WANT to do it. I've talked with many of them, and the story is consistent: this is one of the ugliest open secrets in Hollywood, and it's changing very slowly indeed.

  • April 13, 2011, 5:16 p.m. CST

    franks_television

    by Billy_D_Williams

    movies make lots of money based on word of mouth or people like it so much they keep going... or both now a black man kissing or having sex with a white woman makes audiences uncomfortable, this is pretty much a fact, and often people will NOT like a movie and not even know the reason...its often subliminal (sub par acting, bad camera work, grating soundtrack, plot holes, black man with white woman, lol) so if these people were uncomfortable during the sex or kissing scene between the black man and white woman, they may hesitate to recommend it to their friends because they may not want to be known as someone who condones interracial love, or they know their friend doesn't like it, or whatever...movie recommendations or pans are completely subjective, but the common denominator cannot be ignored (ie, interracial) and since movies rely on word of mouth and/or repeat viewing to be successful, you can see why interracial love might get in the way of that.

  • April 13, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST

    hipshot

    by frank

    You are right, I didn’t read your initial post thoroughly enough. I still doubt that non-white sex is the impetus for keeping people away from the theaters, though. My theory is that white people disproportionally go to see movies featuring white lead actors, regardless of whether or not the movies contain sex. In which case racism is still the underlying explanation. I would be interested to know the timeline of when particular 100 mil+ movies were released. It seems to me that the amount of sex in popular movies has decreased in recent years, while the number of movies starring non-white actors has increased. If that is the case, then it may be that the higher grossing movies containing sex were released before black people started playing a very prominent role in blockbuster movies, which I would say occurred in the 90’s really. That is just conjecture though, I havent researched the matter. Briefly looking on boxofficemojo at the top 20 highest grossing R rated movies, I see that only Beverly Hills Cop features an African-American lead.

  • April 13, 2011, 5:54 p.m. CST

    studios dont allow interracial sex scenes...

    by Billy_D_Williams

    because they know it will effect box office. this was admitted in the book The Man Who Heard Voices (the Night Shyamalan book)...i cant remember the page, but it was after Disney and Night had their spat, and he took Lady in the Water to Warners...he went to meet alan horn and jeff robinov, and they had the same discussion we are.

  • April 13, 2011, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Connery vs. Statham @ Tough Guys Face Off to Fight Cancer

    by youridol

    A 32-man motion picture tough guy tournament (to raise awareness for cancer) is currently still in the first round. Last week, Henry Silva beat Tom Neal, Charles Bronson KOed John Garfield, William Smith smashed Scott Brady, and Lee Marvin trounced Edmond O'Brien. All four winners advance to Round Two which commences 8 May 2011. Head over to the Tough Guys facebook page and make you picks (descriptions of how you think the matches will go down are encouraged and part of the fun!) in the current matches which include: Robert Mitchum vs. Kirk Douglas, Terry Funk vs. Burt Lancaster, Jason Statham vs. Sean Connery, and Lon Chaney vs. Ed O'Neill. Here's the link: http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Tough-Guys-Face-Off-to-Fight-Cancer/214504561898331 How to vote for fighters: 1. Visit the Tough Guy page and click the LIKE button (it is under the profile picture). 2. Then click the word "Photos" (just above where you clicked LIKE). 3. Now click on the *ROUND ONE - POLK HIGH DIVISION* album. 4. Place your votes by clicking on each individual photo in the album and COMMENTING on them. FIGHT!!

  • April 13, 2011, 7:38 p.m. CST

    I wish it were a non-issue in real life, but...

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

    Americans are still skiddish on the subject. People stare in the street and squirm in private. I've seen it all my life. Recently a survey said that 40% or so of the people in Mississippi would like to make interracial marriage illegal again. (Or maybe it was just the ppl who identified with certain affiliations) So Hollywood/television still tries to "play it safe" with regard to miscegenation.

  • April 13, 2011, 7:41 p.m. CST

    franks_television

    by Hipshot

    You seem a thoughtful guy. But your idea that maybe it has something to do with the year is just...wrong. Really. Do a year by year comparison. It doesn't matter. Most of the sex in 100 mil plus films is PG-13 stuff. If I were you, I'd ask why it is so difficult to believe that human beings are still tribal, when we can see the evidence of it everywhere in the world. Seriously--I'm not asking you to think that white people are evil, or more bigoted than anyone else. But if you need more convincing, sort by year. Do anything you want. There is no escape, guy. this is something I've been looking at for a long, long time. Doubt all you want, but the deeper you look, the more you'll see I've done my homework on this one.

  • April 13, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST

    [dioxholster]

    by Hipshot

    Sure there's interracial sex onscreen. But unless its white guys with women of other groups, it will be in tiny movies that suck at the box office.

  • April 13, 2011, 9:20 p.m. CST

    How many of Will Smith's annoying kids are in this?

    by TheApostle

  • April 13, 2011, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Your hypothesis may be correct, hipshot

    by frank

    but I don’t think the data available are sufficient to say that conclusively. In other words, I don’t think your assertion would stand up to scientific scrutiny. Certainly the phenomenon you brought up is interesting and worth discussing, but I’m reluctant to use that information as the sole basis for accepting the conclusion that white people tend specifically to avoid movies that contain non-white actors in sex scenes as a direct result of the inclusion of such scenes. I think it is also possible that the relationship between lower box office sales and non-white sex scenes is not causal and that there are one or more related factors that influence both of these variables. Which of these possibilities is more likely, I can’t say. You would really need to do some sort of experiment, like releasing two versions of the same movie, one of which has an added sex scene, in several different regions of the country with similar demographic compositions and seeing if one version has significantly different sales from the other. You would also need a control movie that was released in identical form in all the regions in order to establish a baseline for ticket sales in each area. Really you would want to have several experimental films and several control films of varying genres for increased statistical significance. I don’t think I am being racist here. I would have the same reservations if we were drawing conclusions about viruses or real estate or french fries. Especially french fries.

  • April 13, 2011, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Why is Brolin's head so enormous in that last pic?

    by Jollymorphic

    Just sayin'.

  • April 13, 2011, 11:09 p.m. CST

    I didn't know there was a sex scene in 7 pounds

    by Bobo_Vision

    And I doubt most people did, either. That movie was marketed really poorly. But I suspect hipshot is ultimately right. Franks_television raises good points and is right in the sense that you have less films with non-white lead actors....yet in the films where non-whites take the lead.....the masses don't want to watch them pork anybody. <p> Will Smith can travel to other planets and kill aliens...just as long as he doesn't insert his penis into anybody's vagina. Martin Lawrence can dress up in drag with his son....just as long as they don't insert their penis into anyone. Juwanna Mann can.....well you get the point.

  • April 13, 2011, 11:29 p.m. CST

    In all fairness, Seven Pounds was competing with The Wrester.

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

    You can't even tell what Seven Pounds is about from the trailer except that Will Smith is serious.

  • April 13, 2011, 11:46 p.m. CST

    MAYBE THEY CAN DE-AGE LINDA FLORENTINO FOR THIS ONE

    by Meadowe

    I heard she dropped off because she was a beeeeeyotch...hey if Rourke can come back maybe she can too. Oh, and personally MIIB was my fave of the two back in the day...I thought it was coo' how ws jacked the rock's smack down on your candy ass line, I used to love seeing the Black Suits Comin' music video at tarzhay's electronics section...then again I was like 6 going on 7 at the time, and haven't seen it since then, so idk how I would respond to it now. And I'm too dang lazy and busy with school to dig up the dvd. Maybe I'll dig it up just to see Tommy Lee Jones punch the crap out of ws for bringing up how his wife left him.

  • April 13, 2011, 11:50 p.m. CST

    RE: NON WHITES HAVING SEX SCENES IN MOVIES

    by Meadowe

    idk if anyone has ever seen this old fliq The Lover, starring Jane March (a.k.a. the chick that was penetrated by Bruce Willis in Color of Night). It's a movie about this white French chick in some azn country, I thinq China and her being seduced by this wealthy Chinese dude and the complications that arise from their races and the fact that she's underage. I think it was the girl's actual memoirs or something. Anyway it was never supposed to be a blockbuster but I thought it was a decent story. Check it out if not for the drama but for Jane March gettin lover-ized.

  • April 14, 2011, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Looks like I was right...

    by Ironhelix

    ...even the fucking PRESIDENT being black didn't put an end to the retarded notion that blacks somehow suffer from racism. Looks like all the white people have to hang themselves now. Not really sure anymore what it's going to take to put this bullshit to rest.

  • April 14, 2011, 5:25 a.m. CST

    time travel

    by hazelam

    i guess that means they wont be able to show this in china.

  • April 14, 2011, 9:05 a.m. CST

    "apparently had script problems out the wazoo"

    by Wazoo

    Just for the record, I actually had nothing to do with any script problems. I mean, they didn't even ask my opinion.

  • April 14, 2011, 10:09 a.m. CST

    franks_television

    by Hipshot

    You say: "but I’m reluctant to use that information as the sole basis for accepting the conclusion that white people tend specifically to avoid movies that contain non-white actors in sex scenes as a direct result of the inclusion of such scenes." That's close, but not exactly what I'm saying. I'm saying that human beings have a slight disconnect with those they consider "other." That racial lines are one of those "other" categories. That therefore those of ANY group will have a slight aversion to films that feature those others, on average. That this really jumps out when those others are presented as competitors for survival, or reproduction (cock-blockers). This results in a mild disconnect, a sense of "I'm not comfortable, and I don't know why" which leads to unhappiness with the script or...whatever. It isn't "non white actors" (as a gender neutral term) but rather, specifically male-male competition that is the worst here. Perhaps that was what you meant. I'm quite certain that it would be better, scientifically, to perform the experiment you suggest, but there have been plenty of experiments showing an instinctive amygdalic response to facial characteristics of "the other" in human beings. Not much of an extrapolation to think about things like black guys dying first (a thankfully outdated trope) or, now, black men presented as sexless and non-cock-blockers, while still having black women sexually available to white men. While you're right about the scientific thing, I'm not interested in expending large amounts of time and energy there. My thought experiment will suffice: if I am correct, I should be able to predict the success or failure of movies IN THE FUTURE based upon their sexual content. If the hero is white, the boxoffice will be average for that performer's films. If the hero is black, the boxoffice will drop, relative to that performer's films. For thirty years or so, I've been watching this, and it's worked like a charm. ## As for the question of blacks and sex, and why people on this board are "obsessed" with it: I am not. It never comes up unless some white talkbacker first mentions race in a derogatory fashion, and I merely respond, suggesting that such anger and venom are hard wired, using the sexual stats as evidence. Don't like it? Don't go there.

  • April 14, 2011, 10:26 a.m. CST

    "black men presented as sexless and non-cock-blockers"

    by Bobo_Vision

    I think that's precisely why a shitty franchise like Big Momma's House is able to thrive and find an audience with both whites and blacks....because there's something pleasing and non-threatening about a castrated black man to white audiences. Tyler Madea is constantly in drag, too. <p> Dave Chappelle tells a great story (I think it was on Inside The Actor's Studio) about how when he was filming Blue Streak with Martin Lawrence....some of the studio folks approached him and told him it would be really funny if he wore a dress and wig in a scene. It wasn't in the script and it wasn't necessary to the film, they just wanted it....and Chappelle stood his ground and said he wasn't doing it. <p> I think Chappelle probably has a lot of stories like that which is why he's so jaded and pretty much retired from the biz.

  • ....is when it's Marlon Wayans in drag.

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