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Beguiling Details Emerge Regarding Bryan Singer’s Long-Abandoned STAR TREK TV Pitch!!

Published at: April 12, 2011, 2:34 a.m. CST by hercules

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I learned recently that “X-Men” filmmaker Bryan Singer (and Jonathan Frakes and William Shatner) pitched (post-“Star Trek: Enterprise”?) TV series to Paramount. All rejected.

Singer’s interest surprised me (I always think him a 1970s “Galactica” aficionado), but I’ve since been reminded he had a cameo in the worst of the Trek features, “Nemesis.”

I was curious as to the premise of the Singer (and Shatner and Frakes) pitch, and now we’ve got a bit of detail on that mysterious Singer pitch:

Herc,

Solomon Short here. Long time AICN reader and rare submitter.

Many years ago I sat in a friend's office and held the script for the proposed Trek series pilot, but did not have time to read it. If memory serves me correctly, this is what I recall getting out of my friend about the series. Begin brief...

The Singer universe was written before the Abrams reboot and follows the original Trek timeline.

We are somewhere just beyond the 30th century.

The Klingons are less warrior-like and more political.

The Romulans and Vulcans completed reunification and are busy with that (obviously this doesn't take into account Romulus's destruction).

And the Federation has expanded through a huge portion of the galaxy -- so far in fact, transmissions from the frontier to Starfleet HQ takes years at subspace frequencies.

Ships sent to these distant areas of the galaxy are near autonomous, expanding the Federation while exploring new worlds and civilizations unknown to the Trek universe.

In a way, this parallels Voyager exploring the far Delta quadrant and DS9's wormhole access to the Gamma quadrant, except our hero ship is not trying to go home, yet the crew is literally on thier own to deal with whatever gets thrown in the way, while still making headway on thier mission of exploration and expansion.

I cannot comment on the principal characters or the story itself, as I did not read the script, nor do I recall where in the galaxy this takes place (i.e. what quadrant).

As I said, a few years have passed and I may be off on a couple details. Hope this is of interest,

Solomon Short

I would like to see this series! I’d also like to see Bryan Fuller’s, which would follow a different Starfleet crew full of Kirk’s contemporaries in the Abramsverse.

I miss Star Trek. I miss televised space shows. I’m bored to tears with poorly written “War of the Worlds” rip-offs. Maybe “Galactica: Blood & Chrome” will get it done at some point. But I do hope Bad Robot and Paramount soon let Star Trek out of its cage.

 

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  • April 12, 2011, 2:40 a.m. CST

    How about a series about Khan, but from the Mirror Mirror universe?

    by Grasscutter

    Somehow transplanted into the Trek canon universe. He'd be reverse-Khan, and he'd be a good guy. A non-Federation centric series.

  • April 12, 2011, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Um... why not just ask Singer HIMSELF?

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    You guys are all "buddy-buddy" with him. Maybe he can just give you a copy of the script in question, or just tell you about it via e-mail or on the phone. Seems like a pretty simple mystery to solve. Or does that just make too much sense?

  • April 12, 2011, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Space opera doesn't sell anymore

    by StoryFirst

    The mass audience simply do not care. They are not interested. It's not as if the rebooted Star Trek set the box office world alight with its sales. And the sci-fi fans who would watch it, expect to be entertained at such a high level, that it is impossible to satisfy. And the ones that come close (firefly, BSG) are cancelled - ratings are just poor...4 seasons for BSG is hardly amazing, no matter how good the show...Star Trek as a tv series now, wouldn't work. People - apart from Trekkies - just don't care. You would need to radically change the concept of the show. And the people who own it wouldn't do that. As for the ideas above - didn't exactly rock my boat...was well, more of the same to me...

  • April 12, 2011, 3 a.m. CST

    Some really nice ideas and potential in that.

    by V'Shael

    First, we have already established that basic time travel exist(s) around 26th century time. So I think it would be very interesting to simply have that technology available (much like Kirk and co. had their warp-around-a-star method) but never use it for various reasons. (Prime directive, etc...) Second, it would give us a chance to re-use but redefine many of the existing Gamma and Delta quadrant species we've already seen, but bring them forward 600 years. There's every possibility that humanities dealings with a hegemonic swarm (ie The Borg) would be on a totally different playing field now. By the time humanity starts swelling out to fill the galaxy as a whole, we should be well on our way to reaching satellite galaxies. We could do things in Trek that were completely new and hard sci-fi. Imagine, for example that the crew could download their consciousness into robotic selves for away missions. Holographic communicators as standard. AI as a part of daily life. Sentient ships. Perhaps similar to the Minds in Banks' Culture novels. Life extension technologies meaning that your spaceship crew can be anywhere from 30 to 200 years old. Social segregation based along the period you were born in. The idea that the ship and crew are on their own on the frontier, brings you back to the Kirk-like days of exploration, but they have a much more massive Federation bringing up the rear, and far more advanced technologies in the field. In many ways, it would have the potential to change how we think about Star Trek. We'd have to think in terms of what the society might look like, what its problems might be, and how we could make such a technologically advanced culture relevant to a modern audience. Those would be the bigger challenges, but I think a good team of writers could handle it. I suspect the best way would be not to focus on the tech. Simply assume that anyone 1000 years more advanced than us, can do more or not do what the plot requires, without trying to explain it in 20th century terms. No more technobabble. If the Captain says we need to feed this population, you don't need a 5 minute discussion on maxing out the food replicators or the power requirements. You just have an orderly say Yes Sir, and know it will get done. The plots would have to be about non-tech problems. People problems. Social problems. It could have been a very very interesting sci-fi show, but it would not have been like the Trek we were used to. More frontier stories, far more advanced tech, more possible solutions to problems, so the writers need to be much more inventive with coming up with the problems. Such a shame. Oh well, Viacom can go back to thinking it was an over-saturation problem. And not a "We're making SHIT, why isn't anyone watching our SHIT???" problem.

  • and discuss the franchise and what we'd like to see, or would like to have seen when Trek was still on TV. We bandied about an idea that would have most likely been canceled after a few episodes, but would have been intriguing nonetheless. It was a drastic departure from the previous shows, and would have been sort of a 24th century West Wing style show, dealing with the politics of the Federation and giving us an inside peak into who the governing body is that moves our Starfleet heroes around like pawns on a chess board. We've seldom explored that side of Star Trek. It most likely wouldn't work on TV, but I do hope future shows at least show something of the politics of the UFP.

  • April 12, 2011, 3:19 a.m. CST

    And to clarify

    by American Mythos

    Of course we've covered the politics of the Federation, but never have we seen the politicians inside the UFP agonizing over or debating a decision impacting planets and cultures thousands of light years away. To me, a sci-fi and political nerd, it would be awesome.

  • April 12, 2011, 3:54 a.m. CST

    @American_mythos - Watch the Star Wars prequels then.

    by V'Shael

    They're all about galactic government and were as boring as shit.

  • April 12, 2011, 4:13 a.m. CST

    Frakes is a cool dude BUT

    by the podosphere

    I'm not so sure he's still the sex machine Riley Martin envisions - unless he or she was being ironic.

  • April 12, 2011, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Best Part of Star Trek Nemesis: Most Epic Fart Ever

    by Autodidact

    Nemesis was such a bad movie. When i saw it in theatres, I had to fart real bad. But I had a feeling it was really gonna stink so I went into the aisle and stood near the door. I released my assvalve slightly and out came the looongest, squeakiest fart of my life. It lasted for at least thirty seconds and sounded like someone slowly letting the air out of a huge balloon. Five seconds into the fart, I began to marvel and wonder with delight. After ten seconds I swelled with pride at a new personal best. At 15 seconds I began to wonder in amazement. When 20 seconds of passing gas had passed, there was an epiphany and I realized anew the miraculous nature of our human bodies. After 25 seconds my asslips started to hurt from the sustained peal. Finally around 30 seconds the feeling of pressure in my gut bubbled away and the Longest Squeakiest Fart There Ever Was became something only I knew was real. As far as everyone else in the theatre knew it was lost in the sound mix somewhere around the dune buggy sequence. Dune buggies... in Star Trek!

  • April 12, 2011, 5:24 a.m. CST

    That fart story was more entertaining than Nemesis.

    by V'Shael

  • The main reason why Enterprise was a dud. I've got no problem with JJ's ST films and where theyre set. But thats no reason why you can't mine the vast plethora of other ST stories in the ST universe. 31st Century sounds about right. Make it so!

  • April 12, 2011, 6:24 a.m. CST

    That sounds pretty good.

    by Rebel Scumb

    -jump ahead in the timeline = Check -new take on old cultures/aliens = Check -Sense of exploration = Check -No over reliance on the Federation = Check If this had a good group of memorably interesting characters, and they were all cast well, I could completely get behind this concept. Its just different enough, while not straying too far from the source. And Singers Xmen films all stuck to the primary theme of the mutant vs human predjudice, so I would assume his Trek would stick to the meaningful ethical dilemmas and not just shoot em up style stories.

  • To be fair, the prequels didn't handle the political stuff well at all. Or as I like to say, they had a lot of politician characters, without actually having any actual politics, in that that we were never really given and sense of the issues, or motives at work. There was just a lot of "the trade bill blah blah blah" or "the seperatists purpose a reconstitution of the diplomatic... yadda yadda yadda" But they never really explained who are these seperatists, why do they want to seperate, why is that a bad thing, etc etc. But, that aside you're still probably right.

  • April 12, 2011, 6:30 a.m. CST

    I'm also amazed that Herc has managed to squeeze 2 "articles"

    by Rebel Scumb

    out of a nearly 10 year old bit of "news" with almost no content in either. I agree with the above poster, isn't there someone at AICN who can email Singer and just get some info on this? I mean the talkback discussion has been fun, since there aren't any other space shows to discuss anymore, its a good excuse for some geekery, but still.

  • April 12, 2011, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Rebel Scumb said it best

    by MoffatBabies

    actually I just wanted a chance to say that again.

  • April 12, 2011, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Karl Pilkington's aunt farted for five minutes

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    true story

  • April 12, 2011, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Space Opera

    by NoHubris

    AVATAR shows that space stories still sell. It's just that the alien planets visited and happenings there have to be imaginative.

  • April 12, 2011, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Star Trek Political Show

    by clupula

    I'm not sure I could stay awake long enough to watch that, especially if it was back to optimistic tone of stuff like TNG and Voyager. If it was more DS9 in style, that might be different.

  • April 12, 2011, 8:21 a.m. CST

    You Do Realize That 'NEMESIS' Made The Most Money Don'

    by Graphix67

  • April 12, 2011, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Is Nemesis the one where the bad guys rode 4-wheelers?

    by SifoDyasJr

    Because that was just awesome.

  • April 12, 2011, 8:24 a.m. CST

    You Do Realize That 'NEMESIS' Made The Most Money Don't You?

    by Graphix67

    Generations: $35 Mil. First Contact: $45 Mil. Insurrection: $58 Mil. Nemesis: $60 Mil. And honestly, was 'Nemesis' REALLY worse than 'Final Frontier'??????

  • April 12, 2011, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Voyager Redux

    by richievanderlow

    Not interested. I'm just not sure how you would make Trek fresh again after all those series, quite frankly. Better to do what Abrams did and explore the characters we know and love. Then again, if the writing were good, it would probably be fine.. but why not just call it something else besides Star Trek since its so far removed? You're not going to explore the Trek Universe as we know it, because you're years away from it, you're not going to use any characters we know.. so just ditch the baggage and go with something all new.

  • April 12, 2011, 9:05 a.m. CST

    hey graphix67

    by doopey

    Did you just make those numbers up? You are completely wrong about the box office. And it's not hard to confirm, just go to box office mojo and look up Star Trek. Nemesis was the lowest grossing Trek film by far with only $43 million.

  • April 12, 2011, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Stargate Universe

    by daydaykay

    Everyone seems to forget about or malign the soon to be terminated SGU. But I still maintain it's the show Voyager should have been and has really only gotten better with time. It's taken a little while to get its act together but if anyone remembers back, Star Trek TNG took THREE SEASONS to come into passable shape. I don't understand why all the internet hate for this show.

  • April 12, 2011, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Avatar didn't sell because it was an imaginative story

    by StoryFirst

    It was anything but an imaginative story. It was Dances With Wolves in Space. It sold because it looked pretty in 3D with a familiar theme. And people liked how pretty it looked, so they saw it again...because it was just so pretty. Shit for brains, but pretty nonetheless. By the time Tron Legacy 3D came out, people realised that 'pretty' wasn't enough. Where are the brains - and its box office reflected that. Look back at all the imaginative space operas of the last 5 years that have hit the big screen. Now tell me how many of those were mega- blockbusters. Star Trek is considered a big franchise product. Which means its owners will need to target the mass public in order to justify its franchise status. None of the above ideas would satisfy anyone other than a geek or trekkie...and geeks and trekkies do not equal 11 million viewers a week, nor $150 million box office opening weekend. Truth that. I personally don't think we will see a Trek tv show for another 5 to 10 years. If that. And if we do...it will be because the Star Wars live action tv series has been successful. And no other reason.

  • April 12, 2011, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Imaginative plants and Aliens are fine and well.

    by StoryFirst

    But it only works for one movie...then its a dead duck.

  • April 12, 2011, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Re: Doopey

    by Graphix67

    Doopey, I got the totals off of Wikipedia. I blame Wiki if I'm mistaken. Nevertheless, my last comment on that post still stands: Was 'Nemesis' REALLY worse than 'Final Frontier'???

  • April 12, 2011, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Was Nemesis worse than final frontier? Don't know.

    by V'Shael

    I've never watched Nemesis, and never will. I've seen Final Frontier about 5 times though.

  • April 12, 2011, 9:44 a.m. CST

    @daydaykay - TNG took 3 years...

    by V'Shael

    but they hadn't made Trek on TV since the 60's. They had to discover what the hell they were doing. Stargate had been successfully on air for over a decade. There was simply NO excuse to come out of the gate with two years of shit and expect the audience to be there.

  • April 12, 2011, 9:45 a.m. CST

    @doopey - Adjust those figures to ticket sales

    by V'Shael

    instead of box office, and it was an even bigger failure.

  • April 12, 2011, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Adjusted figures for Nemesis versus Final Frontier.

    by V'Shael

    Final Frontier was released in 1989. Nemesis in 2002. Nemesis grossed $43,254,409 domestic. That's about 7.4 million ticket sales. In todays money, about $58.495 million Final Frontier grossed $52,210,049 domestic. That's about 13.1 million in ticket sales. In todays money, about $102.827 million. You might not like it, but financially, Final Frontier beat its ass like an unwanted ginger stepchild.

  • Generations: $35 Mil. First Contact: $45 Mil. Insurrection: $58 Mil. Nemesis: $60 Mil. These numbers match up with the reported budgets of the films. So Nemesis was the most *expensive* of the films, not the highest grossing. That is, until they blew out the bank to make Abrams' film with a $150m production budget.

  • April 12, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST

    I'd rather have this show than the movie we got.

    by SmokingRobot

    ST needs to be on tv. There's just not enough character development in a 2hr movie for me.

  • April 12, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST

    SW: Yuuzhan Vong mini series.

    by yamayama

    If Lucas even had an ounce of integrity in his body he would have sanctioned a TV mini series set during the time of the Yuuzhan Vong war with the Jedi. Lucas and Hasbro could still make buckets off of toy collectors whilst keeping long term adult fans happy with a dark adult take on the Jedi. With regard to the Trek issues, to me its a case of how do you repackage the same story? It can only be done under satirical and political tones. Also at what point does the technology become almost mystical and appear to be god like? What happens when you have a federation that has turned into a collection of near gods who can manipulate time, matter, create black holes, teleport whole planets , and create new forms of life from scratch? what happens when the federation is on equal footing with the Q Continuum? Now thats something i would want to see on tv!!

  • April 12, 2011, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Just rip off Firefly

    by donkey_lasher

    The Execs wouldn't dare kill a Trek series after 13 episodes, and you could lots of fun seeing the galaxy from an outlaws perspective. They could be on the run from a armed to the teeth Enterprise I, captained by an insane clone of Kirk's son.

  • April 12, 2011, 1:14 p.m. CST

    I'm OK with that, anything that goes FORWARD and not BACK

    by NeoDevilbaneX

    Though I'd really like to see a TV series based around the 29th Century Starfleet that polices time in addition to their regular duties.

  • April 12, 2011, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Man, that fart story just *rips*....

    by Damned if I can login

    PUN INTENDED! That was some serious funny...way more entertaining than Nemesis!

  • April 12, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Star Trek Apathy

    by dj_bollocks

    Personally there's still a big feeling of Star Trek Apathy for me... I'm sure Enterprise was great but it just never really grabbed me... That was after Voyager had really stretched the format where I just was just over it... The stand alone / alien of the week stories just seemed tired and boring... A 13 episode story arc that developed characters whilst telling an interesting story would be a great way to reboot the franchise - and if any franchise needed a deus ex machina if it started into the future it's Star Trek. Keep some of the alien races but do we really need to see more Klingon/Romulan/Vulcan/Ferenghi/Cardassian/Bajoran/Q stories ? Almost all the heritage races need to go - or only be referred to if necessary. Start afresh please. My only fanboy hope would be if they managed to reboot the Borg in some way - only I think they've probably screwed that pooch too...

  • April 12, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Here's hoping for a new Trek series

    by duo2sonic

    I don't mind waiting so much for a few movies to be released but I really hope we get a new Trek series at some point. And hopefully it focuses on good story-telling and not action. Although certainly SOME action in nice.

  • April 12, 2011, 2:02 p.m. CST

    After BABYLON 5...

    by film11

    ...I found myself unable to watch the TREK tv shows. They were so nice and predictable, the characters so perfect and without flaws. B5 changed it all for me (and they didn't have little kids running around either).

  • April 12, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST

    I'm not sure why...

    by XoanonTORN

    But the fart story got me giggling...and Nemesis wasn't THAT bad, was it? Must rewatch again to determine..isn't Tom Hardy the Picard clone?

  • April 12, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST

    graphix67 & Doopey..numbers game

    by XoanonTORN

    From BoxOfficeMojo.com Going just by these we can see First Contact was best worldwide, domestic and foreign. Nemesis was LAST on all 3 segments. I really hope this formatting comes out when I hit *post* Generations Domestic: $75,671,125 64.1% Foreign: $42,400,000 35.9% Worldwide: $118,071,125 First Contact Domestic: $92,027,888 63.0% Foreign: $54,000,000 37.0% Worldwide: $146,027,888 Insurrection Domestic: $70,187,658 62.3% Foreign: $42,400,000 37.7% Worldwide: $112,587,658 Nemesis Domestic: $43,254,409 64.3% Foreign: $24,058,417 35.7% Worldwide: $67,312,826

  • April 12, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST

    oh it did

    by XoanonTORN

    awesome

  • April 12, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    [dioxholster]

    by XoanonTORN

    *pats head it's ok, we're listening...no worries

  • April 12, 2011, 4:16 p.m. CST

    sounds basically like...

    by Detached

    ...TOS all over again- a ship very far from home, where the captain is basically on his own, etc. And really, who wants to even take a stab at 30th century technology? We don't really know what mid to late 21st century tech will be like, let alone 900 years from now.

  • April 12, 2011, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Nemesis is FAR superior to Final Frontier ...

    by GINGE_MUPPET

    Lets just clear that up right now .... Final Frontier is fucking horrific, seriously terrible. Nemesis is just disappointing and a bit bland.

  • April 12, 2011, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Not much to go on

    by Dreamfasting

    I can't really make much of a snippit like that - it doesn't really give me any sense of the universe or tone they are painting.<BR><BR> Forget IP and canon and filling timeslots for a moment. Why, artistically, does the show need to be made? What are the fundamental ideas the show wants to explore? culturally? politically? scientifically? dramatically?<BR><BR>Is the Trek universe the best place to do it?

  • April 12, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST

    The Fart Story Is True For Reals

    by Autodidact

    I get the feeling you guys think I was kidding. I remember laughing my head off for the whole ride home thinking about how that fart was the best part of Star Trek Nemesis.

  • April 12, 2011, 9:03 p.m. CST

    No one is willing to make good space opera anymore because...

    by Drath

    They don't know HOW. They bitch that it's too cold and unappealing in space to be successful, yet they dismiss Star Trek the Next Generation for being too cosey and safe. MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MINDS! The real reason is the economy is bad, and basically they all explored the genre as far as they could commercially in the 90s. Star Trek was milked as far as it could go without changing up their formula very much, which is why the Trek shows are all so similar in tone, feel, and style, until the profits started to drop. Also there's supposedly something messed up with the TV rights now, but whatever. Then you have the space shows on Sci-Fi like Farscape and Stargate. Well Farscape went as far as it could, balancing budget with profit, and ended on a decent note after that year-late mini-series. Stargate followed in Trek shoes and was even MORE safe and conservative with its formula, but it worked and the franchise had legs up until this newest series. Firefly proved that the genre has fans, but they don't come out fast enough for a network's liking (ie 2 miliseconds). BSG proved that the genre can achieve prestige if its morose and dark and otherwise unappetizing to the majority of fans who kept Star Trek and Stargate on the air so long--and voila, BSG had to bow out, in a tellingly hyped fashion. Now SGU tried to copy that show's tone and it didn't sustain enough ratings. Caprica, likewise, failed. It's the TONE. I admit that Farscape was great, but it was expensive with those puppets. Make your audience feel that they're in a comfort zone and they WILL watch the shows. Star Trek just got old. It needed time to be missed. And yeah, it wouldn't hurt to make the stories more compelling, maybe have some ongoing plots, but above all give the audience a sense of closure more often than not. Let them feel like they're not being fucked with and strung along. Even Buffy the Vampire Slayer, who had GREAT season-long arcs, knew to give the audience a sense of satisfaction by killing a monster at the end of every episode. Romance doesn't have have to be alien to Trek either BTW, certainly SEX can be in there without confining it to a femmebot ice queen character. Trek can and SHOULD be revisited, and yes it'll take some effort to make it more than just more of the same in order for it to be a hit. If we're waiting for it to be SO missed that we just have to throw the equivalent of reruns of Voyager (the lamest Trek, even more than Enterprise) on the air, then yeah that's another 15 to 20 years away. I really miss having a flagship sci-fi show on TV, and Trek was IT for years. It didn't lose it until Voyage became the only show on the air--and that's being generous since X-Files usurped the pop culture spot-light for a while. I'd love to see space opera back, and larger than life too. How many franchises can pull off Search for Spock? Biggest and straightest homoerotic love story possible, and somehow they did it with dignity. Okay, we're not in that generation anymore, we'll never go back, but still, the problem we have is SHITHEADS in charge of this genre both the writers and producers. All of Syfy is inept at this point. We need new blood, or else we need to light a fire under the talented ones. Ron Moore for one needs to cheer the hell up.

  • April 12, 2011, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Re: xoanontorn

    by Graphix67

    Thanks for cleaning up my mess Xoan. My bad.

  • But really fleshes it out in every detail. An expedition lands there and spends 5 years exploring, interacting with the native races both hostile and friendly. Strange occurences abound, division with the expedition team. You could work some shades of Lost into it, but instead of an island its a whole mysterious new planet. Maybe a bit like Earth2, but much much better, and a more interesting locale then a barren wasteland. Something really high concept, and very alien. Like what Cameron did with Avatar, but with a less conventional story.

  • April 12, 2011, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Nicely said drath

    by Rebel Scumb

    I can't find fault with any of that.

  • April 12, 2011, 10:44 p.m. CST

    I greatly prefer insurrection

    by Rebel Scumb

    Its certainly flawed, but of all the TNG films, its the only one that feels sort of in keeping with the show. I don't feel Nemesis has any redeeming qualities.

  • It still feels closer to the TNG spirit then something like Nemesis, I mean afterall isn't the most common complaint about Insurrection is that it just feels like a long episode? But you're right about the bad comedy and whatnot, still really hoaky and out of place. First Contact to me is sort of how I feel about the JJ Trek, in and of itself its a decent scifi action film, it just doesn't feel very trekish to me.

  • April 13, 2011, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Insurrection is harmless fun ...

    by GINGE_MUPPET

    Not exactly a selling point but it puts a smile on my face. Nemesis is confused ... it wants to be a bit bad-ass but never manages it ... The comedy feels very forced and the story is messed up. (Why do they never suspect that the new android is Lore???) ..... Like I said not the worst Trek disappointing ...

  • April 13, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST

    First Contact only made...

    by Detached

    ...$92 million at the US box office. Worldwide, it made an estimated $150m. Adjusted for inflation, it made well over $100m in the US, but then, even Final Frontier got (slightly) over that mark too (around $104m adjusted for inflation). Just FYI...

  • April 13, 2011, 10:40 a.m. CST

    "Picard ramming the Enterprise E down Shinzon's ship's throat"

    by spacehog

    That was actually pretty good and unexpected. Unfortunately ruined when they then throw the Enterprise in reverse and the ships detach as though they're two cars on a road, and not big floaty things in space that would stay stuck together. I know Trek USUALLY handles ships as though they're two cars on a road, and normally I'm fine with a movie throwing physics/facts/whatever out the window if the story is made more entertaining because of it. But for some reason that moment, maybe because it came right after that unexpected highlight, really pissed me off.

  • Fuck the Abramsverse! It's filled with anoying dumb ass anoying detestable asshole fucks! It's suprising those Abramsversittes can even have enmough brainpower to figure out how to eat a sandwich, much less to comand a spaceship.

  • I actually think less of Insurection then of Nemesis, to tell you the truth. At least i can recall who was the villain of Nemesis, i can't recall the villain of Insurrection at all unless i read about it in Wikipedia.

  • April 13, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST

    asimovlives

    by GINGE_MUPPET

    Fair points mate ... Both Insurrection and Nemesis were bitter let-downs after the energetic First Contact and as a huge Next Gen fan I will always feel they never really got the scripts or budgets they deserved. The vibe I get from Insurrection is the same vibe I get from Voyage Home, its Trek-lite, easy going with the focus on the cast having a good time. Nemesis wanted to be dark and dangerous and sadly failed. I find Nemesis a very hollow, depressing movie but that could simply be because its not the send-off TNG deserved.

  • April 13, 2011, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Give David Simon, Ed Burns and George Pelecanos a whack at it

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Sit back and watch it fly out of the park!

  • April 13, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST

    "Problem is Nemesis wasnt a good ending for TNG"

    by GINGE_MUPPET

    So true. I know many never really connected with Picard and Co. but fuck me they SO deserved a proper end to their journey.

  • April 13, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Well they had a perfect ending to Picard and the TNG crew...

    by Rebel Scumb

    it was called 'all good things' and really after that ending, what more needed to be said. Its one of the classiest and most suitable finales of any series i can think of. Hits all the notes, has the cool device of time travelling back to the pilot, brings back Q, has an interesting cerebral dilemma, shows a possible future for all our charcters, a nifty space battle And then that scene at the end with Picard joining the poker game... its all around solid. Part of the problem with the TNG films is they all feel tact on to that ending. TOS had the benefit of not having a proper ending in the show, and being cancelled as a young series then nearly 20 years of people waiting for more Trek, so the movies were well deserved, and thankfully really good (for the most part) I actually think the TOS crew work a lot better in feature films then they do as a TV series, where as I think the reverse is true of the TNG crew.

  • April 13, 2011, 5:11 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by GINGE_MUPPET

    Great post ... Agree with all of that. The original crew do seem more at home on the big screen ... With the Next Gen only Stewart and Spiner looked totally comfortable ...

  • April 13, 2011, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Yeah, the original crew focused mainly on Kirk/Spock/McCoy

    by Rebel Scumb

    And their forays to the big screen made good use of that, in the same way that Luke/Han/Leia are a good trio or Harry/Ron/Hermoine But with TNG, I always felt like all 7 main characters were equally important to the dynamic that made the show work, and as you said the films only really focused on Picard and Data. I guess the other thing is the budget/production value gap between TOS & the Kirk movies shows a really big leap, so they feel more cinematic, where as they made the TNG movies right after the show ended, so I think it was harder for them to make the films really stand out, and a lot of the things they tried just didn't work. I think destroying the enterprize D was a mistake also. In retrospect, that set/ship design was kind of a character on the show in and of itself, the Enterprize E just felt... I dunno just didn't really have a personality in the same way.

  • April 13, 2011, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Imagine Galaxy Quest had been Star Trek 7?

    by Rebel Scumb

    Same basic premise, but with Shatner, Nimoy and the rest, playing themselves at a convention, then wisked away on some "real" space adventure. Sort of the 'wes craven's new nightmare' of trek films Galaxy Quest was awesome regardless, but that would of been really funny.

  • April 13, 2011, 8:39 p.m. CST

    2 other proposals for possible Trek shows

    by Rebel Scumb

    Someone was commenting about how hard it would be to depict 30th century technology, and it would be also hard to create conflict or danger for the crew since even the TNG's technology made it hard for the writers to come up with scenarios the characters could get in trouble with but what if you took Singers scenario proposed in the article, but in the pilot the ship finds an older federation ship, or even a non-federation ship adrift that is hundreds of years old. Then due to some disaster aboard the modern 30th century ship, they have to beam over before their ship explodes. So you have a 30th century crew on a ship from say... like the TOS movie era, like the excelsior class ships. The other idea I had was to take the TNG concept of the huge 1000 person ship with families and whatnot, and expand that even bigger to a ship that holds say... 10,000. And its crewed by many different cultures, humans, klingons, romulans, cardasians, and a bunch of new races. And their mission is to travel outside of our galaxy, and they are expected to be away for 200 years, so its not really a starfleet crew, but entire multicultural society. It wouldn't be like voyager where they are stranded and trying to get home. This is a ship specifically designed to be away from the alpha quadrant for a century (Star Trek: Centurion?) and the show could even take place over many decades, with only a non-aging android character remaining constant, while entire generations come and go aboard the ship.

  • April 13, 2011, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Actual TNG Movie Grosses

    by tailhook

    As opposed to the numbers the other guy put out trying to show Nemesis was anything but a turd. Generations: $118 mil / $35 mil budget First Contact: $146 mil / budget N/A Insurreciton: $112 mil / $58 mil budget Nemesis: $67 mil / $60 mil budget You now see how Nemesis basically killed the movie franchise for 7 years. Star Trek(Abrams): $385 mil / $150 mil budget