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TRON 3 Will Likely Happen!

Published at: April 6, 2011, 8:43 a.m. CST by Nordling

Nordling here.

I'll give TRON: LEGACY another shot.  I have the double-feature Blu-Ray at the house.  I didn't like the film when I first saw it in December.  I think the film's got too much fat on it, and in comparison with the ideas of the original film, I thought LEGACY didn't add much to the table.  But I'm willing to see it again and reassess it if the film warrants it.

Harry's said for months that another sequel will probably happen, and according to Deadline, since T:L broke box office records for first-time director Joseph Kosinski, it looks like we'll get another go-around on the Game Grid.  Kosinski would likely return, along with LEGACY screenwriters Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz. 

I don't think they'll get the budget they received for LEGACY, so I'd imagine the story should wind up much tighter.  The original film, in regards to pacing, is practically a Swiss clock in relation to LEGACY.  I liked the idea of the ISOs, sentient programs created without User input, but the film didn't do anything with it.  TRON's imagery may seem retro today, but it at least had more colors than blue, black, and yellow.  Eh, don't get me started.  Harry told me he felt like LEGACY was a "middle" film, a transition between the original and the more complicated computer ideas of today that the third film will likely portray.  I'll watch it again with that in mind.  I'm still a huge fan of the original film, dated as it may be, and I'm glad I got that film on Blu-Ray, at least.  If the third film touches upon the Internet, and the expanded universe we all share, it could very well be amazing.

Nordling, out.

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  • The average movie goer said "Okay, a lazer somehow digitises the man and puts him inside the computer, where lines of code no more than 640kb in size, have achieved a sentience." Computers, in other words, were magic. Tron Legacy comes out and, to be honest, even the dumbest American movie goer knows that the basic mythology of Tron is fucking retarded. But it's not like they could admit that. They had to build on it. And it's a very very shaky foundation. Tron, and its sequels, just don't make any sense. Even internally. That's forgiveable in the 80's and you're a disney kid. It's unforgiveable in the 21st century, when even Disney kids know a lot about computers and the internet.

  • April 6, 2011, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Good to hear.

    by victor laszlo

    Agreed about the middle film concept, and I hope that pans out. You also have a point about the color scheme, and I'd love to see that expand. That said, as brilliant as the original is, in terms of pacing I find Legacy much easier to sit through. As a sequel 28 years later it's incredibly elegant, and I can't wait for more.

  • April 6, 2011, 8:53 a.m. CST

    TRON world existed inside an 80s computer

    by iceman199

    Seems like any new film should be done with modern day computers

  • April 6, 2011, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Guess I should post a real comment too.

    by jawsfan

    I feel the same about LEGACY except for the part about it feeling like a middle act. Paul Stanley of KISS once said in reference to musicians who pile layer after layer of studio production sound onto their songs, "If it doesn't sound good on acoustic guitar, it's just not a good song." No amount of flashy guitars or trendy musical styling can hide a weak song, but Lord knows people try. This isn't unlike the old maxim, "If it ain't on the page, it ain't on the stage." If the script isn't up to par, no amount of special effects can save the film. To me, LEGACY never really had a compelling story to tell. The IDEA was interesting, but it wasn't executed as well as it probably could have been. If the STAR WARS prequels have reminded us of anything, it is that the story has to come first. If it doesn't and most of the attention is showered on the special effects instead, then the film comes off looking like a cartoon or a video game and nothing more. If they make TR3N, and it seems that they darn well might, I hope it is because there is a real story to be told and not that it is being made just to cash in. Isn't it wonderful to be so hopelessly naive nowadays?

  • April 6, 2011, 8:54 a.m. CST

    wuts all that tweeting sound?

    by vulturess

    wheres it coming from its deafening.

  • April 6, 2011, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Oh, and watch "The Wire". Seriously. Watch it.

    by jawsfan

  • April 6, 2011, 9:01 a.m. CST

    LEGACY doesn't get enough credit...

    by victor laszlo

    ...for being a megabudget DISNEY production with a CONSISTENT tone that is dark and ominous, never once throwing irritating sidekicks or misplaced pop culture references at you. If it didn't live up to the considerable hype, that's one thing ---- but it's so rare these days to go see one of these huge films that doesn't make you cringe with broad, awkward 'humor' or openly insult your intelligence. I never thought Disney would finance something like this again, with a DAFT PUNK score no less. It didn't go all out, but it earned another try to go farther. Frankly I'm shocked @ the level of Interweb vitriol hurled at this thing considering what we usually get served.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:03 a.m. CST

    The original TRON had more colors than Legacy, Norling???

    by D.Vader

    You are off your fucking rocker in your attempt to slam the movie more.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Can't wait

    by Wookie_1995

    I can't be the only one that loved the hell out of legacy

  • April 6, 2011, 9:07 a.m. CST

    There, Of Course, Be a Sequel To Tron: Legacy Though...

    by MakNeil

    I want to see the sales figures for dvd's and downloads (iTunes, Amazon, etc) as well as an announcement from Disney before what I get too happy. It was almost a foregone conclusion, truth be told.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Yay! Good News! I Love 'Em Both!

    by NeonFrisbee

    Picked up the Ultimate Edition yesterday with the blurays of both original Tron and T2on. The original looks particularly stunning in bluray. It's *easily* the most psychedelic movie of the 80s. As far as Legacy is concerned, yeah, it's got some narrative flaws -- that leaden exposition during Dinner with Flynn is particularly flawed -- but it's also WAY better and WAY smarter than it's given credit for. I CAN'T WAIT to go back to the Grid in Tron 3. I hope it focused mostly on Quorra as she's the best, most interesting, and HAWTEST character in Legacy.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Can someone explain to me what would have happened

    by Detective_Fingerling

    if CLU and his file soldiers would have gotten out? Would they have physically come out like an army or would everyone's computer have gotten a bunch of viruses?

  • April 6, 2011, 9:13 a.m. CST

    TRON RETURNS

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • April 6, 2011, 9:13 a.m. CST

    THE DARK TRON

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • April 6, 2011, 9:14 a.m. CST

    THE DARK TRON RISES

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    end of line

  • April 6, 2011, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Nordling hates Legacy, but...

    by bat725

    ...he defends Spider-Man: Turn Off The Dark every chance he gets because he "wants" it to be good and "believes" it can be. Okay, sure.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Duh...

    by codecrackx15

    Yeah, I read this on 3 other sites yesterday. So this is now old news. I loved Tron: Legacy though. Better visuals than the Smurfy Blue people in that shitty Cameron movie.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Casting for T:L called for a third film.

    by martinh65

    I don't think that Cillian Murphy did roughly two minutes of screen time just for fun. Especially when he is playing the son of the David Warner character from the first film. I think that his character may turn out to be pivotal in the third installment. Plus, Quorrah ins out in the real world now with Kevin Flynn's personality and memories from his ID disc, there have to be some issues to arise from that.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:19 a.m. CST

    yeah, I'd like a third one

    by Spandau Belly

    Tron 2 had some weak spots (Michael Sheen), but was a fun action flick. I'll gladly see a third one.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:19 a.m. CST

    FLYNN will rise again

    by D.Vader

    Just like Jesus.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Re: jawsfan

    by MakNeil

    A bit off-topic, but The Wire is quite possibly one of the best television series EVER. And that's not hyperbole. The two later series aren't as strong as the first three, but that's kind of like saying that A Midsummer's Night Dream isn't as good as Macbeth or Hamlet; it's not, but that doesn't distract from the sheer brilliance of Shakespeare.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:22 a.m. CST

    I enjoyed Legacy

    by disfigurehead

    Loved the music

  • April 6, 2011, 9:22 a.m. CST

    codecrackx15

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Better visuals than Avatar? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. <p> Thanks for the laughs. Tron: Legacy (or Tron as it was called in the title sequence) was pathetic.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Original didn't age well apparently

    by enderandrew

    I didn't see the original until last year, and I thought it was absolutely terrible and dated. Perhaps if I saw it as a kid ages ago I'd feel differently. Most of the flaws people complained about with Legacy where tied to how it had to stay within the bounds of the first film. I saw it in a packed IMAX theather and everyone seemed to love it. I was with a big group, and everyone loved it. Then I go online and all I saw was hate. I really don't understand how or why.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Cleaning

    by eleikus

    I left in the middle of Tron to go home and clean. And I am an utter slob. That's how insanely bored I was watching that turd.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST

    I finally watched The Social Network this week

    by D.Vader

    I can't believe Reznor won the Oscar and Daft Punk didn't even get nominated.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Olivia Wilde.....mmmmmm

    by DoogieHowitzer

    I would watch a whole movie of her in her TRON outfit. She was hauntingly beautiful and actually the only thing I really remember from the movie is just waiting to see her on screen again when she wasn't there.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:33 a.m. CST

    TRON

    by alcester

    Saw the first TRON when it was in theaters. I loved it. Got the DVD. Just saw TRON LEGACY and loved that one to. Will also get DVD. Soundtrack which i have had for awhile really added to it!

  • April 6, 2011, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Story/plot

    by enderandrew

    And for all the complaints about story/plot, I think people may have missed what was there. The original Tron was akin to Star Wars: A New Hope. A rag-tag band of rebels fighting an overwhelming evil government. It was very simplistic. Tron Legacy on the otherhand is about a creator who was so obsessed with chasing perfection that it cost him his son, and nearly wiped the ISOs from existence. In a sense, CLU was Flynn, or at least an aspect of him. In battling CLU, Flynn was having an internal struggle with past mistakes. The film also referenced concepts that information is meant to be free, and how corporations are trying to restrict that freedom. I'm sure the sequel will deal with Flynn's corporation finding the source code for the grid, monetizing it, and inviting unsuspecting people from all over the planet into a paid subscription/service where they can enter the grid.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Can't say I'm too excited

    by AlienFanatic

    I bought the two-pack of Legacy/Tron and watched Legacy last night. I was really unimpressed with the story and, frankly, the guy that played Flynn's son. There was a lot of silly, new-agey "save the world" dialog, high-tech special effects, and lots of yelling, but when it came down to it it didn't feel all that original. Most of the time I felt like I was watching a CGI cutscene to a video game. Without going into spoiler territory, it's painfully obvious from the ending what TR3N will be about, and I just can't get terribly excited about it. And as for mugato's comment that it made a "shitload" of money, it didn't. It barely broke even in the U.S. For a movie that cost $170M in production costs, and probably another $100M+ in advertising (think about how long the advertising for that film went on), you're not seeing a huge return on investment. I'm sure it'll be profitable, especially with DVD/Blu sales, but as a percentage the profits aren't all that great. I'll bet, though, that the budget on Tron 3 will be substantially less than Tron Legacy in the hopes that they can turn a more sizeable profit.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Re: enderandrew

    by MakNeil

    Tron: Legacy has pulled in about $400 million dollars (+/- a million) and I highly doubt the majority of people that saw it hated it. Relatively little of the dislike, I surmise, comes from people that genuinely didn't like the film, as opposed to many that post on Ain't It Cool, who seem to hate particular films because they are like to not like things, more than anything else.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Re: The Last Sentence Should Read:

    by MakNeil

    Relatively little of the dislike, I surmise, comes from people that genuinely didn't like the film, as opposed to many on Ain't It Cool, who seem to hate particular films because they like to not like things, more than anything else. Btw, What really would be cool would be the ability to edit posts.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Oh, and Nordling...

    by AlienFanatic

    I don't know why you bother debating movies with Harry, anyway. Your opinions are as valid as the next. Harry hardly writes his reviews with anything approaching critical thought, so to hold an argument about any film must be excruciating. Between his encyclopedic knowledge of meaningless minutiae and his penchant for going off on a tangent about how often an actress gives him a chubby, I'd find talking to him tiring after a few sentences. Don't defer to Harry's opinion. He may speak for the uninhibited geek crowd here, but some of us prefer the introspective approach to the wild-eyed, drooling fanboyism that Harry espouses.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:45 a.m. CST

    I'd like more Tron in my next Tron movie...

    by Billyeveryteen

    Look, they had the Bruce Box right up there on the screen!

  • April 6, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Cool.

    by blackwood

    It's like Ebert's review of LEGACY -- the bit where he said the ideal age for the protagonist in a movie like this is 12, not 31. It's true, but at the same time I, being 31 not 12, really dug that the film was more or less an ALICE IN WONDERLAND for manchildren. And not in a way that's constantly casting about for a punchline, any punchline -- but in a way that understands and accepts that every man is still a boy and still daydreams as a boy. I went to see LEGACY in 2D near the end of it's run. I loved it far, far more than I was expecting to. I look forward to more.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:49 a.m. CST

    TRON LEGACY 2 : ELECTRONIC BOOGALOO !!!!!

    by PRESIDENT BALTAR

    TRON LEGACY 2 : ELECTRONIC BOOGALOO !!!!!

  • April 6, 2011, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Might want to have TRON in it this time

    by twogunjames

    Because having a film called TRON LEGACY that is neither about Tron nor Tron's actually "legacy" kind of sucked.

  • April 6, 2011, 10:01 a.m. CST

    d.vader: Right on

    by TheNothing

    I've been saying the same thing. The Social Network's score sounds like a speak-n-spell compared to Daft Punk's music. It's an absolute crime that they didn't get the recognition they deserved. Just another way the Oscars have proven unaware and irrelevant in recent years, even with Zombie James Franco hosting.

  • April 6, 2011, 10:08 a.m. CST

    The people behind these films...

    by Chindogu

    just aren't smart or savvy enough about computers and technology to make it work. They really need someone like <b>William Gibson</b> to write a full on reboot of <i>Tron</i>. <br> Of course all of his novels should just be adapted into movies.

  • April 6, 2011, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Legacy needed more TRON

    by Benovite1

    So Clu reprogrammed Tron to be Rinzler? Whatever. It didn't really come across as being that big or important. Regardless, Legacy needed more Tron. I got sick of seeing Sam and Flynn. The other characters were boring too. It was a snoozefest with some very cool action sequences. But I needed more, especially after the incredibly long wait.

  • April 6, 2011, 10:11 a.m. CST

    The problem with Tron is

    by louisse

    the antagonist clue. I didn't give a fuck if he died or not. actually I didn't really care about anyone but that Wilde chick. She was hot

  • April 6, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    I like Legacy...

    by IKilledSuperman

    ...and it´s not as if the original was a masterpiece. Add a bit more colour and Moebius-style to 3 and it should be fine.

  • April 6, 2011, 10:15 a.m. CST

    @chindogu

    by IKilledSuperman

    As you said, the Gibson-verse deserves it´s own movies, instead of being mangled into an existing franchise.

  • April 6, 2011, 10:34 a.m. CST

    LOVED LEGACY!

    by dead youngling

  • April 6, 2011, 10:43 a.m. CST

    this one will be cheaper

    by Spandau Belly

    Not having to animate young Jeff Bridges for half the movie will cut down on the costs. I also get the feeling there will be more real world stuff in the third one. So it will be cheaper to make.

  • April 6, 2011, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Loved the original Tron

    by Gorgomel

    Legacy was okay, so I'm in for a third film. And I guess Dillinger's son will be the main bad guy as Sark Jr.

  • April 6, 2011, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Legacy was just as good as the original

    by jimmy_009

    In terms of story, pacing, exposition, etc. it very much fits nicely alongside the original, for better or worse. If you can tolerate the lows of the original, I don't see why you should have a problem with Legacy as they are the same lows. They are also the same highs, and in this case I think the highs outnumbered the lows, especially on an IMAX screen. I hope they learn their lesson a little and modernize the story a bit as well as modernizing the images and sounds. I for one am looking forward to the third one.

  • April 6, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Soundtrack is absolutely insane...

    by SK229

    love it and it should have been nominated. I saw it on the very last day it played in imax 3D at my local theater and wished I cared more about what was going on story-wise. Visually and sonically, however, I was fucking smashed to bits in my seat, especially with the opening. But still, I had to keep reminding myself to enjoy it as a visual experience and not worry so much that the story seemed to be lacking. I still think it deserves credit for trying, though... like someone else said, a huge budget DISNEY movie with a Daft Punk soundtrack, no annoying pop culture joke references, and no idiotic, comic-relief sidekick? I think they tried very hard and in the end, what came up short is the script. A tiny bit of a further push, something else to give it additional weight or consequence and they would have had something truly special... it also would have had a lot of repeat business. But I'm down for a sequel, especially if it means another killer soundtrack.

  • April 6, 2011, 10:48 a.m. CST

    I watched Legacy again last night on dvd with my wife

    by antonphd

    She hadn't seen it in theaters and has never seen Tron and she loved Legacy. I was kind of meh about Legacy when I saw it in the theaters. Not the visuals, which were fucking awesome(especially from the point of view of a game developer), but the story. But on second viewing I really liked the story. I should say that I did watch Tron again for the first time in 25 years a couple weeks ago, maybe that helped Legacy's story feel more interesting. Then again, as I said above, my wife has never seen the original Tron and she loved Legacy.

  • April 6, 2011, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Reading the Comic Helped

    by Musicman247

    Disney put out a Tron Comic about a month before the movie was released that spanned the time between the first and second movie. It's called Tron:Betrayal. It really explained what happened with Clu and the ISOs. Very good read. Would recommend it to anyone who didn't quite understand what happened in Tron:Legacy, or would just like a little more backstory.

  • April 6, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    UltraTron's blu-ray review:

    by UltraTron

    Dillinger talks to his son in the MCP voice and says everything is going according to plan. Bring me the 3rd film now. Best sounding blu-ray on earth. It is how you show off a system. So basically the second time you see the movie you like it a billion times more. I knew it would happen when I saw it the first time and was underwhelmed. Second time I'm not distracted by the waste of money effect of young bridges. I'm actually freaking out when I see Tron because I'm like holy fuck Tron is in the whole movie but he's in thrall as a slave to clue. It's clearly just starting. Give them the money to pan this epic saga out. I want uncharted exploration into the wilds of the Internet with massive grid bug battles

  • April 6, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Tron: Legacy and Sucker Punch are NOTHING Alike, And Here's Why:

    by NeonFrisbee

    1) Tron: Legacy was good and Sucker Punch is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. 2) People actually saw Tron: Legacy. Like, paid money to go see it in the theatres and everything.

  • April 6, 2011, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Yes, please, more Tron movies, and again...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...GIVE ME MY LIGHTCYCLE RIDE AT DISNEYLAND! I really didn't love Tron: Legacy as much as I wanted to, but enjoyed it enough to want the saga to continue. And I liked Michael Sheen's "thin white duke!"

  • April 6, 2011, 11:04 a.m. CST

    TRON was good. it has only one flaw though...

    by THE_ONE_MAN_GANG

    it has the most retarded and awkward fanboys. even more so than the comic fanboys. Tron fanboys have like asbergers syndrome and OCD shit... it can never win. lol.

  • April 6, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Tron 3: Troll Wars

    by DrPain

    They need to fight an internet virus too or something of that nature.

  • April 6, 2011, 11:10 a.m. CST

    thoughts on Tron Legacy

    by DrPain

    Watched it last night OMG It rocked. I loved it, damn cool flick. Kicking myself for not making the time to see it in 3d on the big screen. 10 Giant balls of flame out of 10!!

  • Her character was great.

  • April 6, 2011, 11:13 a.m. CST

    2 things...

    by codecrackx15

    1) Tron and Tron:Legacy are not specifically about Tron. So those who keep saying, "where is Tron?" Stop being idiots!!! Both movies are part of Flynn's story. 2) Tron: Legacy and Sucker Punch are both in my Top 5 movies. along with 300, Watchmen, and V for Vendetta. Amazingly enough, the people who did not lie Sucker Punch really didn't get it and you can tell they didn't get it by their stupid ass remarks. Let's throw a 3rd thing in too just for fun. Avatar SUCKED in all of it's shitty dialog and cartoon CGI glory. It was so fucking dumbed down that of course the masses flocked to it. The same themes can be found in District 9 which had better CGI and a far superior dialog.

  • April 6, 2011, 11:13 a.m. CST

    since sequels tend to do less money...

    by Billy_D_Williams

    and tron 2 barely made it past its budget... you do the math.

  • April 6, 2011, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Nordling: "The original film, in regards to pacing...

    by ewokstew

    is practically a Swiss clock in relation to LEGACY". Sure...Nordling. I think your Swiss clock needs winding. Unlike yourself, I have decided to not jump on the sentimentality train and ride it into the ground like so many fanboys have done with TRON or any other movie from our youth. Good movies stand the test of time. TRON simply does not. It's a boring, dated movie that has cult status and a great idea at its core. I appreciate the technical mastery (for it's time) that went into it and the production design by Mead and Moebius but my appreciation stops there.

  • April 6, 2011, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Tron: Legacy was Aweful and the CG was Embarrasing

    by D o o d

    All that money and all they could deliver was a rehash of the design and a terrible script! Opportunity lost I think!

  • April 6, 2011, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Everyone Who Had The Misfortune To See It "Got" Sucker Punch

    by NeonFrisbee

    It was just really, REALLY dumb and really, REALLY poorly made. It was also one of the most misogynistic movies I've ever seen. But the truly hilarious thing is that Snyder is trying to sell it as empowering. Really? To whom? Cause, yeah, every woman I know fantasizes about being an abused stripper in a mental hospital that is also a video game cutscene. Right. Essentially, it was Pan's Labyrinth for retards and chronically masturbating adolescents.

  • April 6, 2011, 11:23 a.m. CST

    mugato5150

    by Billy_D_Williams

    Tron 2 did not make a shitload... it cost $350 million to make (that includes production budget and marketing budget) it only grossed around $400 million... if i invest $350 dollars in something and make $400 back, i did not make a shitload of money...sorry. after dvd and blu-ray sales, the studio might make a small profit, but they were looking for a tent pole, a Pirates of the Carribean/Harry Potter/Lord Of the Rings comparable franchise...those films typically gross near the billion dollar mark. Legacy is nowhere near that number...so Disney has failed...they are making a sequel to save face, lowering the budget this time, so they'll make a little more money...but since sequels tend to make LESS money (especially sequels to a shitty movie that barely broke even), they wont make much at all next time. Studios do not make these huge juggernaut blockbusters expecting to barely break even...they expect boffo box office and Tron 2 did not deliver that. You have to learn to look past the numbers and read in between the lines. Typical fanboy ignorance. I love how people are making excuses for this turd..."well, i gave it another shot, and you know its not that bad..." It's like trying to find anything positive about your dumb ass cousin in order to make yourself feel better..."well, he has nice hair at least" laughable.

  • April 6, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Maybe I need to watch this again

    by Dr_Prunesquallor

    When I saw it I thought it was the most boring, brainless, soulless mess. An obvious cash-in, made to make money and sell merchandise rather than to tell a good story. A charisma-free main character who is inexplicably a fucking superman at any of the games he plays. A completely unthreatening villain. Zero jeopardy in any of the action scenes. Overall stakes that are literally as dumb as shit (a rogue computer program wants to somehow materialise into the real physical world - ooooohh!) A fucking teeth-grinding, eye-gouging, cameo from Michael Sheen. And yet the majority of comments here seem to be largely positive. I feel like i'm losing my fucking mind. An adventure film like this need to use Raiders OTLA as it's model - genuine threat in every action scene, a true sense of the impact of a punch. Charismatic characters that we care about. Sinister and dangerous villains that we genuinely dislike. Failed on all counts. You guys normally have such high standards.

  • April 6, 2011, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Billy D- making a profit isn't a failure

    by D.Vader

    It might not be the *hoped* for profit, but profit is profit. You want to look at a failure, look at Prince of Persia. (which, honestly, I'm just assuming failed)

  • April 6, 2011, 11:29 a.m. CST

    me Hollyweird producer, me not able think, me greenlight

    by kabong

    sequel, remake name brand recognition not able think duh duh greenlight sequel remake name brand recognition

  • April 6, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Comments Are Largely Positive Because It Was A Good Movie

    by NeonFrisbee

    Not a "great" one, but a good one. There are narrative flaws, and I think there are valid criticisms, but overall, it's a cool movie well worth your time. I saw it 3 times in IMAX and loved it more each time. Just watched the bluray last night and loved it all the more. I think it's a film that rewards multiple viewings. I thought it was WAY better than Avatar, but I liked Avatar too. I won't be arrogant and say that people didn't "get" Legacy, which is one of the stupidest and laziest defenses that people have for any movie. But I will say that it's much better, much deeper, and much smarter than it's given credit for. This whole "it's soulless!" garbage is straight up nonsense. If Legacy is soulless, then so is Star Wars. I mean the good Star Wars movies, not the crappy ones (aka prequels). I think it's the kind of thing that either appeals to you or it doesn't. If you liked the first one, you'll probably like the second one. If you thought the first one was stupid, you'll think the second one was stupid. I know my girlfriend (who is much younger than me) liked Tron, but thought Legacy was much better. I liked them both, but I have more nostalgia for the original.

  • April 6, 2011, 11:38 a.m. CST

    d vader

    by Billy_D_Williams

    profit is relative to budget in hollywood...you simply dont know how it works studios dont invest close to 400 million expecting a small profit, they have a goal, a number they want to shoot for, which is close to a billion, which is what those big budget movies need to gross in order to justify the huge costs...if they miss it, they failed according to their shareholders...BO expectation is relative to how much they invest...Tron Legacy will probably make Disney a profit comparable to a mid budget drama with stars...problem is, they invested nearly 400 million, whereas the mid budget drama would cost probably 50-80 million all in...those numbers dont look good to Disney shareholders...and since Hollywood is all about lies, posturing and ego, Disney wants to save face, give the perception that they EXPECTED to make a small profit and that the sequel was inevitable...bullshit whats going to happen is Tron 3 will cost less to make so that the inevitable smaller gross (since sequels tend to gross less) will not look as bad....so Disney can save face...its all just a smoke screen. Dont get it twisted, Tron 2 is a failure, and Tron 3 is just keeping up appearances, which is what hollywood is all about.

  • April 6, 2011, 11:38 a.m. CST

    dr_prunesquallor

    by Billy_D_Williams

    thank you, sir, awesome post

  • April 6, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST

    A $398,389,909 Failure?

    by NeonFrisbee

    Okay, if you say so.

  • April 6, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    neonfrisbee

    by Billy_D_Williams

    another moron who didnt read my post (or did and is just that dumb) grosses do not exist in a vacuum...they are relative to cost. if Disney invested 70 million in Tron 2, then that 398 million number would be impressive. They didn't invest 70 million though, they invested nearly 400 million (350)...so that number is anything but impressive, that number is abysmal. a movie must gross at least twice its budget before it goes into profit, typically its 3 or 4 times its budget considering all the profit participation by the filmmakers. Tron 2 did not even go into profit in its theatrical run, Disney is relying on the dvd and blu ray sales to save it...which is terrible since those ancillary aspects are supposed to be icing on the cake. They were for Pirates/Potter/Rings/Spider Man, etc, movies with the same budgets as Tron 2, but making close to billion dollar theatrical grosses...the benchmark for success with these big budget franchise movies.

  • April 6, 2011, 11:47 a.m. CST

    T:L was great imo. But there is no need for a sequel.

    by Mysterious_Volvo

    And by great i mean, awesome and worthwhile purely for the effects. The story wasnt terrible but who gives a fuck. The purpose of this movie was to see the design aesthetic of tron rendered artfully using modern day technology. The film succeeded in this regard. There is no point to a third film. In fact lets face it, the point of the entire movie was to see the disc battle and the light cycle race. end of.

  • April 6, 2011, 11:48 a.m. CST

    what is the source of the news btw?

    by Mysterious_Volvo

    you dont mention a thing about it. strangely.

  • April 6, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST

    I couldn't follow the sequel to save my life...

    by Raggles Wimpole

    Mainly because all I could think about was the dirty things I would do to Olivia Wilde.

  • and a good eye for dramatic action. But replacing the evil empire themes of the original with the lost Daddy/prodigal son themes of the sequel...? Kind of tired. But looking forward to what Kosinski does next. The Black Hole?

  • April 6, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST

    mugato5150

    by gringostar

    Just so you know Disney is in the process of rejigging Star Tours (Star Tours: The Adventure Continues) and it is slated to be completed May 20, 2011... unfortunately it will likey suck as all recent Star Wars projects have.

  • April 6, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Actually, I Didn't Bother Reading Your Post billy_d_williams

    by NeonFrisbee

    You do have a tendency to natter on (and on and on and on and on) at length with a sad, misplaced passion bordering on the psychotic about things only you seem to care about. Sorry, I guess I'm too much of a "moron" to allow myself to be a masochist. Let me guess, Tron is a failure because, although it made $400 million dollars worldwide, they also spent a shit-load on advertising? Okay. That seems valid. But it STILL made $400 million dollars. They were obviously taking the longview on this and trying to create a franchise. The second one will probably cost less money to make, and make more money. If I'm wrong, I don't really care. Why do you care SO MUCH about it, though? Seems unnecessary and more than a little weird (bordering on sad).

  • April 6, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST

    No surprise...

    by justmyluck

    ... since TRON:L was peppered throughout with cues for an eventual sequel - likely in the overall budget. I would surmise it will be about pulling Kevin Flynn out of TRON City and back IRL - maybe to liberate ENCOM's tech assets to the masses or some other DUDE-like effuse. I would assume the lead talent had signed-up for at least two flicks, all things considered. Likewise, the year-plus of TRON:L viral marketing guaranteed solid box office for at least a few weeks domestically and in each of Disney's worldwide distribution territories, so the decent B.O. was, likewise, expected. Add-in the toys, books and soundtrack (now a remixed version) and you know there's a lot still going to be milked. However, I was really pleased with the new TRON (1982) Blu-ray, which looks great and has some decent new extras, so at least TRON:L has given us this. :-)

  • April 6, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    neonfrisbee

    by Billy_D_Williams

    if you didnt read my post, you shouldn't be commenting on it...typical fanboy living in lala land..."lalalala i cant hear you, lalala" pathetic

  • April 6, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Tron 2 and SuckerPunch were equally stupid hallow experiences

    by Spandau Belly

    and I enjoyed both of them as brainless but pretty-looking excercises in style and plagarism.

  • April 6, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    I miss the presence of Tron at Disneyland on the old

    by sweeneydave

    People Mover ride. "Enter the world of Tron" - with the light cycles zipping by you.

  • April 6, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Keep Misplacing Those Emotions, billy_d_williams

    by NeonFrisbee

    You're not the only one who commented on Legacy being a $400 million dollar "box office failure," billy. Or did you not realize you're not the center of the universe? Also: why so angry? You seem overly involved here. Maybe you could write another 5 page long dissertation on the camera work in Jaws as a way to blow off some steam? That was actually a pretty good analysis, btw. Bit long-winded and self-important, but insightful. Have a nice day!

  • April 6, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST

    I "simply don't know how it works"?

    by D.Vader

    Fuck off billy d. A failure is when your movie makes no money and no one goes to see it either. Making 400 million does not suggest in the *slightest* that no one went to see it.

  • April 6, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Estimates were $120 million on marketing

    by D.Vader

    From what I'd read, Mattman.

  • April 6, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST

    d.vader re: PRINCE OF PERSIA...

    by blackwood

    'bombed' domestically but did really well overseas. $200 mil production budget plus whatever on advertising (a guaranteed fraction of TRON) -- made only $90 mil domestic in its theatrical run, but almost $250 foreign, plus whatever they got from DVD/Blu sales et. al., which I'd think is enough to push it into $400 mil territory. I don't think PRINCE is going to get a sequel (shame, because it was a fun, lighthearted adventure film sympathetic with PIRATES), but at the end of the day it wasn't a financial disaster. And to billy_d_williams -- as much as I can admit I 'don't know how it works', I think it's more reasonable to assume TRON 3 would only be greenlit if Disney saw money in it, not, as you assert, to 'keep up appearances'. "We need to greenlight a sequel to our financially ruinous franchise reboot failure stat! Damn the expense: DreamWorks is snickering at us!" Really? That's how it works?

  • April 6, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Billy D likes to round up, MattMan

    by D.Vader

    That's how 350 million becomes "nearly 400".

  • April 6, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    billy_d is about to have to eat a whole lot of words

    by SifoDyasJr

    I've never seen someone so obsessed about being AGAINST a film. lol!

  • April 6, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    billy_d_williams - Economics 101

    by codecrackx15

    It made close to a 50 million dollar profit in the movie alone. Licensing of toys and video games will add to that amount. They may get a smaller licensing fee for these things for the third movie but they create profit. DVD sales are not a small portion of the return and the studios know this. DVD sales are a major portion that can sometimes get a sequel green lit even. The movie made a profit and that is just a fact. Go back and take economics 101 because you sure need it. You sound like a Nancy Pelosi mentality kind of guy with her ideas about how economics work. Fucking A this country really needs to teach math to people!!!

  • April 6, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Tron 2 kicked billy_d's puppy

    by SifoDyasJr

    That's the only logical explanation.

  • April 6, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    d.vader

    by NeonFrisbee

    Don't bother arguing with billy_d, he seems to think he's an industry insider. And, hey, for all we know, maybe he is. What's puzzling is that he seems REALLY angry about it. Such a waste of energy and effort! His rant about Robocop and Jaws from a few days ago was rather good, though, I must admit. I just don't get the borderline sociopathic level of emotional investment in arguing about Tron's relative success or failure. Either way, I'm sorry, anyway you look at it, $400 million is a LOT of money. Now, of course, they were hoping they'd make Avatar money, and they blew a ton of money on addvertising, so it didn't meet their ludicrously outsized expectations... but it still made a truckload of money, lots of people saw it and liked it. Further, it seems to be gaining an even larger audience on dvd/bluray. If that's a failure, what's a success? I hope we get a Tron 3, but if not, oh well.

  • April 6, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    TRON Legacy rocked. 100x better than Avatar.

    by Quake II

    Saw Legacy 3 times in the theater (including Imax) and just bought the Blu-Ray last night. The 4 and 5 packs were already sold out at 2 different Target stores (before 7pm!) so I settled on the 2 disc combo. The fact is, TRON Legacy is better than it desrves to be. To have a sequel come out 28 years after the original that delivers that much coolness and heart is a miracle. As someone pointed out above, it's dark, there's no silly sidekick, the action scenes are well filmed and edited properly and it doesn't pander to the 7 year old A.D.D. crowd. THANK YOU Disney!

  • April 6, 2011, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Easter eggs on the Blu-ray?

    by Quake II

    How do you access the Dillinger and Quorra extra scenes? I watched the "The Next Day" mockumentary (awesome extra btw) and after it was over there was a game screen where you enter your "High Score". Is there a code you need for hidden bonus stuff???

  • April 6, 2011, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Legacy Reminded Me Of An 80s Flick

    by Acquanetta

    It wasn't great, but there was a simplicity to it that I liked. Much like the original, the story wasn't burdened with a lot of needless subplots. (A terrible practice that, for some reason, people think will automatically turn a film into an epic.) If they do make a sequel, here's hoping it's more Empire Strikes Back than Dark Knight. I'm not sure the latter approach would be a good fit for this series.

  • April 6, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST

    I Don't Think There Is A Quorra Scene

    by NeonFrisbee

    Early reports said "The Next Day" had Quorra in it, but it's actually Sam.

  • Only people who cracked the books at Disney know how profitable this film needed to be to get a sequel greenlit. But something to keep in mind: Studios *do not* make the majority of their money off of a theater release. That hasn't been true for ages. The major studios make the vast, vast majority of their profits from video and television, especially deals involving their back catalog. For most major studios, the point of new releases is to maintain the value of their back catalog year to year by infusing it with new films. Here's a quote from a 2005 article (I'll add the link below) about WB's costs on the theatrical run of The Negotiator. "For every dollar Warner Bros. got back from the box office, it shelled out about $1.40 in expenses, which was about average, if not slightly above par, for studio movies." I want to add, that is not even talking about the production costs of making the film... that's a whole other expense. The cost of putting the finished film in theaters was 40% more than what they made from its theatrical run, and that particular amount is "slightly above par" for a studio film. Box office results are only good for bragging rights and perhaps as an initial indication of how much interest there is/was in a property. They're complete bullshit when it comes to profitability. For those wishing to read the article: "Hollywood's profits, demystified" http://www.slate.com/id/2124078/

  • April 6, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Legacy was ahead of its time, just like the original.

    by Kained_but_Able

    I came out of Legacy thoroughly entertained. I I too could not understand the critical grumblings about it - Incredible visuals with great use of 3D, solid Alice in Wonderland escapism, Bridges being Bridges and most of all ..by far the most exhilarating Soundtrack of the year. Daft Punk not being nominated was a nail in the coffin for Oscar's credibility - when you listen to the Soundtrack CD all the way through it is simply an iconic piece of work; it's like John Williams on speed. Perhaps Tron Legacy is a few years ahead of it's time in many aspects, just as the original was?

  • April 6, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST

    R.I.P George Clooney

    by Daniel2010

    1961-2011

  • April 6, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST

    VICTOR LASZLO IS RIGHT

    by LazyEagle

    It was a decent film and infinitely better than most of the big budget crap we're served. It's like the Matrix sequels all over again. And for the record, DAFT PUNK were completely screwed over in missing out on an Oscar nod for the soundtrack.

  • I liked AVATAR, but I loved T2ON. I guess I'm just more into that cold, minimalist, tech-fetish feel than the Dances with Thundersmurfs feel. That said, I think, objectively, Avatar spoke more to more people's wish-fulfillment fantasies than Tron did. But, personally? I'd rather take a trip to cold, minimalist electro land than rainforest land. I don't like bugs or humidity!

  • April 6, 2011, 1 p.m. CST

    the_one_man_gang

    by Wookie_1995

    it has the most retarded and awkward fanboys. even more so than the comic fanboys. Tron fanboys have like asbergers syndrome and OCD shit... it can never win. lol. Tron fanboys have like asbergers syndrome and OCD shit... it can never win. lol. it can never win. lol. never win. lol. lol. get the fuck out...

  • April 6, 2011, 1:02 p.m. CST

    neonfrisbee

    by Wookie_1995

    agreed

  • April 6, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Tron Legacy Was Brilliant and Flawed

    by kevinwillis.net

    Which should surprise nobody, being written by Lost scribes. I love the concepts touched upon, and it felt right that the Isos were given short shrift, as if there had already been a movie about their plight, given then late date the Tron Sequel came to us. Better than Avatar? More ambitious, story-wise, I think. Much more. I think there were some pacing issues, and the CGI-Clu is very distracting, for me, but . . . there's a lot of great stuff in the movie. As a huge fan of the original Tron, I was dissatisfied with the amount of Tron in the movie, a lack of any sort of real nod to the original movie design (like transition characters, old programs in white spandex being rounded up for the game), and no reference to Yori. Cameos from Yori and RAM and even Dumont, in a CGI'd non-speaking role, would have been much appreciated. Still . . . Also, I think a tighter budget would be a very good thing. The scene where Sam goes to retrieve Flynn's disc was scaled way back from how it was originally planned, due to budget and time concerns. As such, it is both brilliantly shot and is a perfect example of movie story telling--tells you exactly what you need to show, and it does it by showing you--but without showing you *everything*. The revelation of Flynn's user powers in the first movie was a big deal. Should have been a little more of that in Legacy. Have I bought to Blu-Ray combo pack? I have. Will I watch the Tron: Uprising series on XD? I will. Will I go see a sequel to Legacy at least twice, as I did with Legacy? I would. Would I go see a 3D version of the original Tron in the theaters a few times? Yes. I'm hoping a Tron: Legacy sequel (or prequel) gets greenlit. Whatever, all I ask from a Tron: Legacy sequel is more Yori, much more Tron, and would it kill you to give me a little Ram? Oh, and definitely retain Daft Punk, but a few more nods to the original Wendy Carlos score.

  • April 6, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    kevinwillis.net

    by Wookie_1995

    sequel sequel sequel sequel

  • April 6, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Better than Inception.

    by imagin78

    I went to see Tron:Legacy fully prepared to hate it and ended up quite liking it. It was without question the best IMAX 3D experience I've ever had. Yes, it has some pacing issues, but so did the original. However, I actually thought the movie had more ideas in it than the far more overrated Inception. I was also more involved in the Sam/Clu/Flynn drama than the Cobb/wife one. Plus, the action was far better in TL. On the subject of profit, It is wrong to claim that TL made a $110 million profit. You can't forget that theaters keep around 35-40% of a film's grosses. That means that, at best, TL broke even during its' release. Disney was waiting to see what Blu-Ray/DVD sales, which is where movies frequently make their money nowadays, would be before fully going ahead with a sequel. Pre-orders for TL have been extremely strong. That is usually also a solid signifier if there is still a demand from the public for more from a property.

  • April 6, 2011, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Budget and sequels

    by enderandrew

    Disney spent a small fortunte on Tron: Legacy because they wanted to create a new franchise what would be a long-term cash cow. They didn't randomly invest $350 million in a first-time director. It wasn't massively profittable in box office gross, but it didn't take a loss either. But you have to consider video games, merchandise, the cartoon that is coming out, and DVD sales. Some movies actually make more in DVD sales than ticket sales. Disney didn't greenlight a sequel immediately, even though clearly their intent was long-term franchise. But now that you can order the DVD/BluRay on Amazon, and Tron is the best selling disc on Amazon right-now, that is why Disney is just now moving forward with the sequel.

  • April 6, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST

    imagin78

    by Wookie_1995

    both awesome for differant reasons. I quite enjoyed the drama in both but I agree the action was far better in tron.

  • April 6, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST

    fanboys and box office

    by Billy_D_Williams

    a movie needs to gross at least twice its budget in order to go into the black this is because the studio splits the profits with the theater chains and because of profit participation of the above the line crew. so if Tron 2 costs $350 million, or lets say it even cost $250 million (for the fanboys), it still has not gone into profit because half of that $400 million gross goes to the theater chains and profit participation...accuracy aside, lets say that Disney pulled about $200 million from the theatrical run (its share)...but they spent 250-350 million...so in what universe is that profit? its not... i havent seen the dvd or blu ray numbers, but i know Disney didn't profit one dime from the theatrical run...and since ancillary is supposed to be icing on the cake, Tron 2 is a failure.

  • April 6, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    oh and the soundtracks on both were amazing

    by Wookie_1995

  • April 6, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    PROFIT BABY!!!!!!! It did PROFIT $160 Million!!!

    by codecrackx15

    http://boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/ US total:$171,989,909 Production: $170 Advertising came in between 50 - 70 million Generally most sites are going with a total production cost of $240 million Tron: Legacy worldwide gross:$398,389,909 So just rounding to 400 million and subtracting 240 million gives us = $160 million for PROFIT $160 Million not including licensing deals and Blu-ray/DVD sales which are selling fast by current estimates.

  • April 6, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Tron:Legacy Approaches High Art

    by pollaxt

    I think it was Massawyrm's column who brilliantly touched upon that fact.

  • April 6, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Tron Legacy is a Movie That Rewards Multiple Viewings

    by kevinwillis.net

    And if you're like me, and you've watched the original Tron about 100 times, you *like* movies that save many of it's treasures for the person watching it for the 40th time 8 years after you first saw it. There is a lot of love in Tron: Legacy that's hidden, and isn't designed to ever smack you across the head, but will work really well, over time. Ignore the FX and look at it as a little independent film, and absorb it, that way. There's a lot to like there. I could have done with leaving Clu's army implied, rather than seen, with the speech (oh noes! Clu is really Saruman!) . . . but there are some great, Tron-worthy scenes between Sam and Flynn and Quorra at Flynn's hideout and on the Solar Sailer. Good, good stuff. All I can say to Kosinski is: go back at watch the scene where Sam gets Flynn's disc. The flashes with the derezzing pixels seen falling, through the window, with reactions shots of Clu's assistant program . . . that's nice, clear, concise story telling. Without overwhelm, without over-production . . . more of that, please.

  • April 6, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST

    billy dee, I see what you're arguing

    by soma_with_the_paintbox

    It's obvious that disney wanted a sci-fi property that could net them Avatar-caliber money and have franchise potential. They were utterly wrong to think that a niche (geek) property could do this for them. It only had one "button" to push and that was the BADASS button. It did not even have the PLAUSIBLE WORLDBUILDING button that all good geek films need to push. Avatar pushed so many visceral ideological buttons with so many people it's not even funny. And it was designed that way from the ground up. So TL was not technically a flop. But it vastly underperformed. And you're kidding yourself if you think that tentpole franchises live and die by any other metric. Tighten everything up at all levels, temper expectations and this next installment should do just fine.

  • April 6, 2011, 1:14 p.m. CST

    "Avatar had a focused story and never lost its way"

    by kevinwillis.net

    Avatar was very, very simply, and a rehashing of a well-worn plot. Nothing against Avatar, which I enjoyed, but it had a focused story because, story-wise, it attempted nothing knew, and it telegraphed everything from the first few frames--you could follow Avatar while doing your homework, talking on the phone, and listening to some tunes on your iPod. Nothing wrong with that, but Tron: Legacy was not quite that kind of movie. And I really like Avatar.

  • April 6, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST

    avater blew

    by Wookie_1995

  • April 6, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Tron Reconfigured

    by Kained_but_Able

    Everyone should check out the Tron Reconfigured album: the whole soundtrack remixed. Not as good as the original but still great.

  • April 6, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST

    avatar*

    by Wookie_1995

  • April 6, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Oh, I guarantee you Tron 2 took a loss at the theater.

    by Chewtoy

    Almost every film does. Studios almost never turn a profit on theatrical releases, especially a whole year's worth. Again, going back to that 2004 data, the six major studios (Disney, Fox, Warner Bros., Paramount, Universal, Sony) made $7.4 billion off of theatrical releases at a cost of $9.62 billion, for a loss of $2.22 billion. The problem is that the studio pays all of the costs of putting the film in theaters, and yet the box office is divided up between many, many parties. There is no magical formula for film profitability when you're talking about the major studio releases... No budget + advertising times 2 = profit! They operate their theatrical releases at a loss in order to maximize awareness. It's practically all an advertising campaign to them. The gold is in the hills of video and television (and, with certain films like Tron 2, merchandising.) Again, source: "Hollywood Profits Demystified" http://www.slate.com/id/2124078/

  • April 6, 2011, 1:17 p.m. CST

    there was profit but not as much as they wanted

    by Wookie_1995

    that is all, now shut up a sequel is on the way.

  • April 6, 2011, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Billy D doesn't understand how Studios and Theaters split...

    by codecrackx15

    The ticket price is split by percentage. The studio makes the biggest chunk in the first 3 weeks and then the % starts to rise with every week that the movie is in the theater. Tron:Legacy made most of it's money in the first 3 weeks so theaters may not have mad a lot of money but the studio did.

  • April 6, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST

    billy_d_williams: You have no clue what you're talking about.

    by Chewtoy

    "since ancillary is supposed to be icing on the cake" It's not. It's the entire cake, and more. The major Hollywood studios all operate their theatrical releases at a loss. It's an expense, not a source of profit. The profit comes from video, television and, in some cases, merchandising. I can keep posting the link explaining all of this until people stop throwing around box office results as evidence of "profit". The numbers don't mean a damn thing in regards to profit. "Hollywood Profits Demystified" http://www.slate.com/id/2124078/

  • April 6, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Wait, isn't "Profit" Step 3? Step 1 is "Steal Underpants"?

    by D.Vader

    What's Step 2 again?

  • April 6, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Blu-Ray Easter Eggs

    by kevinwillis.net

    Sounds cool. http://bluray.ign.com/articles/115/1158555p1.html

  • April 6, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Derezzed (Glitch Mob Remix)

    by Kained_but_Able

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcK_dnZs0Ac

  • April 6, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Reconfigured Needs More Dubstep Versions!

    by NeonFrisbee

    I don't think any of the tracks fall under dubstep. Which seems odd as it's the most popular style of electro dance music these days.

  • April 6, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    I tried to watch it again last night...

    by Pixelsmack

    And I had to stop it around 1h 2m http://bagofguns.com/2011/04/06/tron-legacy/

  • it sounds totally badass and it's not on either soundtrack! What gives? P.S. "Sea of Simulation" is a cool "lost" track.

  • April 6, 2011, 1:47 p.m. CST

    TYPO ALERT: IT'S "REGARD" NOT "REGARDS"

    by Sloopjohnb

    Nordling, for all future articles, please never type "in regards to" again. The proper phrase is "in regard to"

  • April 6, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST

    They told us there would be another Singer Superman

    by Connor225

    After a much hyped release and disappointing box office. For three years they pretended a Singer/Routh Superman was on its way, then they finally stopped pretending. I don't think there will be another Tron.

  • April 6, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST

    by kevinwillis.net . Thanks (easter eggs)

    by Quake II

    Going to go home and type ALL in the high score screen and check out that content later. "Vintage 80's commercial for Space Paranoids"? Can't wait!

  • April 6, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST

    The set up...

    by bubcus

    ... after watching it a second time and the bonus short film three times, we'll definitely be seeing more of the Encom company next film and with Sam having the data files of the grid backed up, I wonder if a rebooted grid will mix in with the OS 12 they just handed out to the world. And would we then see users throughout the world controlling programs in the worldwide grid? I don't want to speculate too much since Pirates of the Caribbean 3 didn't go the direction I anticipated, but that seems to be the direction we're headed in. I'm all for a third outing.

  • April 6, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Dan Shor

    by bubcus

    who played RAM in the 1982 TRON returned in Tron: The Next Day (which isn't credited on IMDB) and will likely play a prominent role in Tron 3. It'd also be nice to bring Cindy Morgan back too if possible seeing as we won't be spending as much time inside the Grid.

  • April 6, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Flynn Lives! I approve...

    by azzrael

    I enjoyed Tron Legacy. The first scenes leading up to and including the encom jump were pretty fantastic. For about ten minutes there this 36 yr old felt like he was 10 again when I saw the original tron in the theater. It lost a little momentum as the story progressed, but on the whole I enjoyed TL. I be there for the next one. Suck it haters...

  • April 6, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Tron 2 was a modest success at the box office

    by SifoDyasJr

    It made some money. DVD/Blu-ray sales will be gravy. And after the TV show kicks in along with an expanded toy line, Disney will have successfully re-launched a great boy-oriented franchise. Tron 3 is happening. I bet we hear about it at the same time as the first week's DVD sales numbers are released, which I expect to be huge. I'm also curious about the "Flynn Lives" Quorra scene I read about. Is it hidden deeper than the other short films or was that a mistaken report?

  • As I was watching Legacy again on Blu-ray, I feel more certain that's where they intend to take the third movie -- the Grid will bleed over into the real world (downtown Los Angeles) and start to rectify it. So we get stuff like real motorcycles that can become lightcycles. Or imagine Quorra racing around in an SUV that at a flip of a switch augments with Grid tech to become like a lightrunner. The third movie could even throw in the Grid Bugs (which we never saw in Legacy), which swarm downtown LA. The ENCOM HQ building itself could become the de facto new MCP, which operates as a "ghost in the machine" controlling all of this, and which must be destroyed to stop this takeover by the Grid world. Besides the timeliness of this idea (Augmented Reality), I'm also predicting that the third movie will go this route because it will probably cost a lot less to produce in terms of the CG.

  • April 6, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Showtime's "The Wire" bored me to death...

    by Spudwick30

    Since then: I had no ideal crime was that dull in Baltimore.. The only interesting character was Omar.

  • April 6, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST

    I agree: Tron 3 will be set in the real world with the Grid invading it

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    The major point of the plot in Legacy is CLU building an army and planning to lead it into the real world in order to "perfect" it. CLU was thwarted, but I could see that this plan is not immediately dead. A possibility to consider: maybe somebody in the real world was controlling CLU to do this (and maybe CLU him/itself didn't even know this). If so, the likely suspect would be Cillian Murphy's character. Why would young Dillinger do this? Perhaps his intent isn't evil at all. Maybe the guy simply sees it as a radical, cool new technology -- augmented reality that is literal and real -- that he's been trying to develop for ENCOM. Sam of course would tell him that users would quickly lose control over this technology and it will destroy the real world.

  • April 6, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    i liked Tron: L, it was great to look at in IMAX, althrough ...

    by BikoQue

    Story could have been stronger, but overall a good flick

  • April 6, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST

    CLU was controlled by Dillinger/Cillian Murphy? I like that!

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    So, maybe Dillinger has been working on Dumont's digitizer gun tech (which may have been forgotten though ENCOM still owns it), figuring out various ways to use it in reverse. Imagine being able to take a 3D model on your computer screen and zapping it into reality. Creating reality and augmenting real objects with digitally created materials. This of course ties back with all the Zen hippie New Agey stuff that Kevin Flynn was getting into before he became trapped in the Grid.

  • April 6, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    But T:L barely broke even!

    by JuanSanchez

  • April 6, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST

    re: But T:L barely broke even!

    by BikoQue

    hopefully the DVD/Blu-Ray/3D will do well in sales. i think the sequel has a lot riding on good numbers if it's going to happen

  • April 6, 2011, 4:27 p.m. CST

    On The Dillinger / MCP / Dillinger Jr. Tip...

    by NeonFrisbee

    I was thinking that, similar to Kevin Flynn going back to the Grid to make a perfect system, that Dillinger was doing the same thing on another closed system. In other words, Dillinger is in his own Tronworld, with a reconstituted MCP, and his son on the outside, just waiting for the right time to take over the world. Maybe. Just a thought I had.

  • April 6, 2011, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Anyone who didn't like TRON: LEGACY --

    by MooseMalloy

    -- probably really, really likes THE DARK KNIGHT. In other words: People who take themselves too seriously.

  • April 6, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Also, why not any legit Drum and Bass producers on RECONFIGURED?

    by MooseMalloy

  • The kindly olde scientist / high priest of electro land.

  • April 6, 2011, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Tron: Legacy

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Watched that again recently. The first hour is still really good, but I had forgotten how much it descends into a big-budget A-Team episode by the end...rather dull extended shootouts with clunky editing. I guess that marked the moment where Garrett Hedlund's destiny lay in movies that were more about action than drama, for much of the next decade. I was so hopeful when True Grit came out that it heralded the return of both Jeff Bridges and Matt Damon as genuinely comic actors. But it was a false dawn for both.

  • April 6, 2011, 5 p.m. CST

    Nordling, let me save you some time...

    by Mr Gorilla

    When it comes to films like TRON:LEGACY, if you didn't like it, your probably don't need to check it out again. It's not like it's Bergman or Kubrick. You probably won't get that much more out of it the second time. You'll just realise how much you don't like it.

  • I like the idea of CLU being the flawed creation of the god-in-the-machine that failed. I think it would take away from Kevin Flynn's realization that he screwed up with CLU if CLU's strings were being pulled by the Dillingers/MCP. As an aside, refuting the "soulless" bullshit the kneejerk haters keep floating, I thought the whole exchange between Flynn and CLU at the end was really great, touching, and sad. I felt bad for CLU at the end -- he only tried to please his father, and failed, while that other "real world" son gets all the love. No wonder he's so angry!

  • April 6, 2011, 5:05 p.m. CST

    It Sags In The Middle, But Picks Up Again

    by NeonFrisbee

    The exposition during the Dinner at Papa Flynn's place drags, and should've been handled better, but I think it picks up again when Sam heads to the End of Line Club on through to the end.

  • April 6, 2011, 5:05 p.m. CST

    I sadit once and i will say it again...

    by killianx

    Tron 2.0 the PC game was the real sequel! Though I like T:L

  • April 6, 2011, 5:06 p.m. CST

    mattman -- Bridges as "Omnipotent ghost in the machine" in T3on

    by NeonFrisbee

    Totally agree.

  • -- like THE DARK KNIGHT.

  • April 6, 2011, 5:22 p.m. CST

    The bottom line is...

    by Billy_D_Williams

    Tron 2 failed. Disney was expecting huge numbers and they didnt get it. if i set a goal, and then dont reach it, i've failed...no matter how much "everybody's a winner" psychobabble someone tries to say. It not only failed box office wise, it was a terrible movie. Definitely wont be seeing the next one.

  • April 6, 2011, 5:27 p.m. CST

    TRON 3 : CLU-LESS

    by Gorgomel

  • April 6, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST

    TRON 3 : JUST BYTE IT!

    by Gorgomel

  • April 6, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST

    TRON 3 : ALAS, POOR YORI!

    by Gorgomel

  • April 6, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST

    billy_d_williams: Happy birthday, my man!

    by THE_CHOPPAH

  • April 6, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST

    TRON 3 : The Sark Knight Rises

    by Gorgomel

  • April 6, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST

    TRON 3 : PSN 0

    by Gorgomel

  • April 6, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Really enjoyed legacy

    by xsikal

    T:L was hardly a great film but I really enjoyed it and am looking forward to a third film

  • April 6, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST

    TRON 3 : IPAD OF GLORY

    by Gorgomel

  • April 6, 2011, 5:32 p.m. CST

    TRON 3 : LORDS OF THE PING

    by Gorgomel

  • PRON.

  • April 6, 2011, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Yep, A $400 Million Dollar "Failure"

    by NeonFrisbee

    I bet Disney is crying all the way to the bank.

  • April 6, 2011, 5:57 p.m. CST

    The bottom line is...

    by D.Vader

    Tron 2 made $400 million dollars at the box office, which means a *lot* of people went to go see it. It wasn't shunned by the public. It didn't do as well as they hoped for, so that makes it a disappointment, but *not* a failure.

  • Misplaced emotion. I suppose it has something to do with a profound lack of anything real to hang ones emotions on? Otherwise, who gives a shit? If you hated it, move along. If you liked it, talk about it. But endlessly trying to explain how a movie that made $400 million dollars is a failure is sad, pathetic, and pointless. Now SUCKER PUNCH was a failure. NOBODY saw it. SCOTT PILGRIM? Failure! NOBODY saw it. SPEED RACER? Failure! NOBODY saw it (I liked it, though). A movie that made $400 million dollars is NOT a failure. You may have thought it sucked, and that's fine, but it still made $400 million dollars.

  • Because they spent between 300 and 350 million on it. Studios dont throw that kind of money away unless they're expecting huge grosses.

  • April 6, 2011, 6:12 p.m. CST

    neonfrisbee

    by Billy_D_Williams

    i dont need to see it as a failure...it simply is a failure. im just calling a spade a spade (and being crucified for it)...the fact that it took this long for Disney to even contemplate making a third one means it wasn't a success...the Tron 3 talk is just another way to boost dvd/blu ray sales, "hey guys, remember Legacy, it might get a sequel again, so give it another chance...please."

  • If so, do please share it with us. If not, maybe it's time to give it up and move along?

  • April 6, 2011, 6:18 p.m. CST

    the last airbender had a budget comparable to Tron 2, a bit less...

    by Billy_D_Williams

    and it made about 320 million worldwide (only 70 million or so less than Legacy)...surely its a success right? lots of people saw it, right neonfrisbee? so where the fuck is the sequel talk? it doesn't exist because it failed. both terrible movies, both failures. Its not a coincidence that the sequel talk for Legacy is happening around the time of the dvd/blu ray release...its mostly to boost the sales of those formats, it couldn't be anymore obvious, not to mention there really is no firm greenlight, simply talk that it will probably get a sequel...why not wait until they have a greenlight??? because they want to boost dvd/blu ray sales while they're fresh on the shelf.

  • April 6, 2011, 6:20 p.m. CST

    neonfrisbee

    by Billy_D_Williams

    the deadline article linked from this site to the original story states the marketing budget was comparable to the production budget, genius..the numbers are also readily available online if you took a second to do some digging.

  • April 6, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST

    mattman

    by Billy_D_Williams

    dude, the deadline article states the marketing budget was comparable to the production budget of 170 million...thats between 330 and 350 million give or take...jesus christ, its splitting hairs at this point dude.

  • April 6, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Again, its a disappointment

    by D.Vader

    When no one sees your movie and you don't make a profit, then its a failure.

  • Until then, you're just making shit up, man. I'm not saying they're definitely going to make a sequel. Maybe you're right -- maybe it didn't make enough to get a sequel and they're just floating this to drive up interest. Maybe. That seems a valid assumption. BUT, they also have a cartoon about to launch, which is obviously a way to extend the franchise and build upon it. And they also packaged the blurays with a bunch of viral sequel seeding stuff. That didn't happen with The Last Failbender. So they're obviously keen on the idea of a sequel happening. But, of course, maybe it's all a big fake. I dunno. I never pretended to be an industry insider and I don't work for Disney. Seems like they're keen on the idea, though, given all pre-promotion for it. Again, I'm not saying you're wrong, just provide that proof that they blew that much money on promotion and that'll be it for this topic.

  • Why did Quorra think he would help Sam? Was Castor really Zeus or did he just pretend to be--this was never resolved clearly and I'm not sure anyone remembered to care? Why did he need to ask who sent Sam to him, and what did it mean to him that it was Quorra? Why was Gem given a name and then killed off? Why did Clu kill Gem and Castor anyway? Were they alive like Quorra and just hiding out? Why does Michael Sheen when covered in white pancake make up look like the twin of Tilda Swinton's White Witch? And can they get Tilda Swinton to BE his twin in the sequel? Or better yet, not bring him back so that they have not thrown away a much more entertaining character/villain than the bad CG Bridges thing? Also thrown away with little development, James Frain's character. What the fuck? Don't just cast English actors as sorta bad guys and then kill them off so you can afford more than you need in one movie! And what's with all the English accented programs anyway? Where's the Japanese, Chinese, and Indian user-created programs? Fucking hell? And why are all the women programs all femme bots? Are women users actually writing programs to act this way and not do anything meaningful? If programs look like users, shouldn't the femme bots look like 300 lbs balding virgin men? And where did all these programs come from if Flynn created teh Grid, did he just copy them from all over? Oh shit, I've started thinking too much about this crap. I was largely entertained by the movie, else I wouldn't bother to get this carried away. For some reason, I really want to see the sequel, but only if the Dillingers are a big part of it (and any follow ups).

  • Well, I bet anyways.

  • April 6, 2011, 6:39 p.m. CST

    studios never really reveal the true marketing numbers

    by Billy_D_Williams

    because they dont want to be seen as a failure if the movies grosses are lower than expected, so they release guestimates...but common practice for budgets these days is the marketing budget is usually as big, if not BIGGER than the production budget...this is common knowledge, can be read in any hollywood box office book, or online. online sources peg the marketing budget comparable to the production budget...this could be anything from 120 million to 190 million...but lets take the lowest number...that would put Legacy's total number at 290 million...lets round it to 300 million (im sure you fanboys wont mind)...it grossed 400 million in theaters...a movie has to gross at least double its budget to be profitable (again verifiable online)...do the math here. even if it did profit with the blu ray/dvd sales, it's a very meager profit, not the huge numbers the studio was expecting. failure. these marketing numbers usually come from press releases and the press is in hollywood's pocket, but the rule of thumb remains the marketing budget is about the same as the production budget. read it and weep: "Hey filmmakers!!! Check out this podcast where Kevin Smith explains how a film made for $4 million needs to gross $60 million in order to break even!" (article below) http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/reject-radio-78-kevin-smith-red-state.php

  • sorry, ill trust a hollywood filmmaker or some cum guzzling fanboys http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/reject-radio-78-kevin-smith-red-state.php

  • April 6, 2011, 6:43 p.m. CST

    mattman, check out the kevin smith podcast...

    by Billy_D_Williams

    Tron did not make that money you said it did genius.

  • April 6, 2011, 6:45 p.m. CST

    So You Don't Have Proof, Just Assumptions

    by NeonFrisbee

    Okay. So, I can take you at your word about as much as any other "cum guzzling fanboy." Thanks for clearing that up.

  • April 6, 2011, 6:47 p.m. CST

    neonfrisbee

    by Billy_D_Williams

    continuing to ignore my posts and the article i linked to "Kevin Smith explains how a film made for $4 million needs to gross $60 million in order to break even!" http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/reject-radio-78-kevin-smith-red-state.php Tron 2 failed, period, Kevin Smith explains why...

  • OH! Okay, now you've totally convinced me.

  • April 6, 2011, 6:52 p.m. CST

    mattman

    by Billy_D_Williams

    if you bother to check out the Smith podcast, which im sure you wont (being a fanboy living in fantasy land) you'll see that EVEN IF Tron 2 cost what you said it cost...i think it was 290 million or something, it still failed miserably... Smith is a hollywood filmmaker who usually tells it like it is, and he's had lots of first hand experience with budgets...he explains exactly why im right about Legacy being a failure... go ahead and check it out...i even relented to Legacy costing only 290 million...and im still right about it being a failure. but like i said, i doubt you'll bother with the podcast and continue to spout "it did well"

  • April 6, 2011, 6:56 p.m. CST

    neonfrisbee

    by Billy_D_Williams

    "Oh, Okay, So An Article From A Disgruntled Failure Of A Director Who Made A String Of Bombs And Won't Even Screen His Films For Critics Proves That They Spent $180 Million On Promotion?" dude, i relented and said even if the marketing budget ISNT the number i gave, its still a failure...forget the marketing number for now, it could be 90 million for the marketing and it wouldnt matter check out the podcast...it doesn't matter if Smith is disgruntled, he's a well known director with lots of experience about Hollywood budgets and how they work, and he's a guy who does not hold back and tells it how it is... im not saying Smith is going to prove the $180 Million number, i never said that...im saying he proves that no matter the number, whether its my number or your number, Legacy still failed. but like i said, im sure you wont bother checking it out, because your a delusional fanboy...prove me wrong, check out the podcast...you're just proving you're more interested in being right than getting the truth...check out the podcast, whats the harm?

  • April 6, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    I Don't Need To Prove You Wrong, Because I Don't Care Either Way

    by NeonFrisbee

    I never said there was going to be a sequel, just that they're keen on it and that I'd, personally, like to see it. That's it. If it happens, YAY for me, cause I liked it and I'd like to see it. If it doesn't happen, oh well, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I enjoyed the first two and now I own them both and can enjoy them as much as I like to. Further, as I've said NUMEROUS times, maybe you're right. I would just like some ACTUAL proof, not some second-hand ranting from a disgruntled failure who's career is essentially over. I mean, you obviously have an axe to grind on this, so, buck up and give some proof, or give it up and let it go. Also, is there some way you could have this conversation without the insults? I'm FAR from a deluded fanboy. I loved the movie, but I think it's flawed and some of the criticisms are valid. If anyone is deluded, it's YOU. Deluded by your own illusory sense of self-importance. I'm not even saying you're wrong -- but you haven't backed up ANYTHING you've said with any concrete proof. Oh, what, I should listen to Kevin "Inept, Whiny Failure" Smith's podcast to find out about Disneys plan to greenlight a Tron 3? Oh okay, no thanks.

  • April 6, 2011, 7:14 p.m. CST

    I did not like the fact that they made Flynn into Lebowski

    by kabookieslap

    Flynn and Lebowski are two different characters. Flynn was fun loving and a bit fearless. Lebowski was into zen and being low key. The two are not the same characters. Only twice in the film was he playing an older Kevin Flynn. When he got mad at Sam, and when he was working on Wilde's DNA. Other than that, he was playing Lebowski. Probably to get the Lebowski fanbase. But that really pulled me out of his character.

  • April 6, 2011, 7:24 p.m. CST

    billy_d

    by PhineasFlynn

    You get a commission off of the number of Talkbackers that check out that podcast? Does Smith namecheck you and you want the rest of us to know about it? Christ, man... begging people to check out a Kevin Smith podcast?

  • April 6, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Cindy Morgan

    by Kirbymanly

    I had assumed that Cindy Morgan was Sam's mother. When they mention in the beginning that the mother died, I figured that was the way they were writing her character out of the story. I hope my thoery isn't true because it would be great to have her back in the next one. I feel kind of bad for her seeing as that all of the other characters have been brought back in some way. Bringing RAM back over Yori seems kind of silly.

  • The Major studios operate their theatrical releases at a loss.... It's meaningless to guess the marketing costs. They knowingly spend more marketing the film than they will ever bring in in theater receipts. Forget the budget... If a film magically appeared on their desks fully made, it would still cost more to give it a major release than it will ever bring in at the box office. That's how it works these days. Coming up with a marketing number and then arguing profitability based on that is nonsense. Independent films may work that way, but major studios don't. Major studios lose billions collectively every year on the box office, while making up billions more on DVD, ppv and television. Disney could give a rat's ass about the box office of Tron if other factors rach their goals. They don't care about the individual film, they care about having an IP that they can leverage for years and years. They care about having an IP that can appeal to young boys the way that their princesses appeal to young girls... And they're willing to pay for it. If Tron 2 didn't quite get them there but opened up the possibility that a Tron 3 could finish the job, then that will be money well spent. Again, the truth about how major studios make money: http://www.slate.com/id/2124078/

  • April 6, 2011, 8 p.m. CST

    a 3rd film will turn this trilogy into...

    by j_difool

    ...The Matrix That's too bad.

  • April 6, 2011, 8:11 p.m. CST

    "Legacy" wasn't perfect, but it was a hell of a lot of fun

    by Gozu

    Also, thanks for throwing in your two sense, Nordling. I'm sure Disney's taking notes.

  • April 6, 2011, 8:24 p.m. CST

    kirbymanly, Cindy's character is married to Boxlightner's character

    by kabookieslap

    Originally they said that they were following the timeline established in the game where she died, but the "Bring Cindy" campaign got so big that she said they called her up to show up as his wife at TRON Legacy Encom press conference where she is on stage as his wife. She said they did not call her to act in this one, but she may be in the next one. You can see them on stage here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvCHO5qUkck

  • April 6, 2011, 8:33 p.m. CST

    It that link above disappears, just copy and look up

    by kabookieslap

    "Cindy Morgan & Bruce Boxleitner in the TRON Legacy Encom press conference" and it will take you right to it.

  • April 6, 2011, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Ya gotta hand it to Billy D...

    by D.Vader

    And his habit of declaring anyone who disagrees with him over whether or not Tron: Legacy can be considered a failure as being a "fanboy" (in the pejorative sense). That's logic for ya.

  • April 6, 2011, 10:10 p.m. CST

    I like the real Billy D so much better than the talkback one

    by SifoDyasJr

    The real Billy D would chill out with you with a Colt 45 Malt Liquor in hand, and never once get in a rabid froth ranting over and over about a movie being a failure, even though the studio--the very ones wanting to turn a profit--is clearly making another one, which says to any rational person that money was made on the production somewhere along the way.

  • April 7, 2011, 12:40 a.m. CST

    that includes you then the_one_man_gang

    by Smack_Teddy

    self loathing prick

  • April 7, 2011, 12:44 a.m. CST

    I kind of liked it alot from the 1st viewing

    by Smack_Teddy

    but thought it got very awkwardly stilted and thrown in pace/structure to a expeditionary halt in the middle act. Some of the Direction was soooo impressive though. Need to watch it again.

  • April 7, 2011, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Dubstep is not the most popular form of eletro dance these days is it?

    by Smack_Teddy

    I'm pretty sure. I wouldn't even call it electro dance, respectfully so Sir.

  • That solified for me. the film was utter crap. Now, I snuck a bottle of rum with my girl, and we got fucking wasted...which made the film viewing experience awesome.also, big jeff brdiges fan...but it felt like he was allowed to say whatever he wanted. the fx were cool, but the story was non exsistent.oh well.

  • April 7, 2011, 12:55 a.m. CST

    expeditionary? Expositionary

    by Smack_Teddy

  • April 7, 2011, 1:33 a.m. CST

    additional awesome by Jack Slater 4

    by JackSlater4

    what if they found someone with a really pretty mouth to play Robocop? I/ve been saying Franco is the Johnny Depp of the new generation, but who is the Peter Weller? Chord Overstreet? I want to choke whoever pretends to be Hercules to death.

  • April 7, 2011, 1:36 a.m. CST

    what i meant was die hercules

    by JackSlater4

  • April 7, 2011, 1:49 a.m. CST

    billy_d_williams

    by BadMrWonka

    I don't disagree with you as much as a lot of the talkbackers here, concerning the budget and gross of Tron Legacy. I do disagree that DVD sales shouldn't factor into it, because a movie that is very effects heavy, and will have a hefty blu-ray bundle of behind the scenes stuff, is going to be both expensive, and a big seller. secondly, the idea that sequels generally do more poorly at the box office is nowhere NEAR true. sometimes they do, sure, but for huge franchises with built in fanbases, they usually do. Here are some examples of franchises where EVERY SINGLE SEQUEL made more than the one before it: Shrek, Lord of the Rings, The Bourne series, Batman Begins/Dark Knight (only 2, but we'll see about the next one), Transformers, Ice Age, X-Men, Twilight...should I go on? And there are a slew of franchises where they might not go UP, but they are almost guaranteed to hover around the same total (Harry Potter is a good example). I agree that Tron Legacy did not perform quite up to what they'd hoped. But it was still popular enough that including DVD sales and international gross, it will make a nice profit. There is a ride at Disneyland, for fuck sake. There is a HUGE amount of money coming in off the brand. Even with a hefty marketing budget, it's still most likely already in the black. The point is that if it had lost, or will lose money, the sequel would not happen. Of course this announcement coincides with the DVD release, but that doesn't mean it's a joke. Bottom line, Tron Legacy made Disney money. It cost a shitload to make, so their profits are a lot less than many here seem to think. But with hefty licensing, probably very good DVD sales, and a built-in audience ready for the sequel, I don't think this announcement is a surprise at all. You simply cannot underestimate how much money there is in merchandise, it's always WAY more than you'd think, especially for movies aimed at kids. also, I know you're being attacked a lot, but don't you think less people would go after you if you'd just state your ideas without acting like such a jerk? I know I might have just given you a pass on this and not even responded if you hadn't come off as such a know-it-all douchebag. and yes, I see the irony here. loved you in Empire Strikes Back!

  • and Hercules is a death note I have yet to sing. That's all.

  • April 7, 2011, 2:56 a.m. CST

    NORDLING PLEASE HELP ME

    by JackSlater4

    i'M NOT SURE HOW TO REACH YOU BECAUSE MY SHIT'S ALL FUCKED UP, MY WHOLE SHIT GOT WIPED BECAUSE I DIDN'T CHECK MY RAM OR WHATEVER AND IT'S ALL GONE NOW. yOU ARE THE BEST CONTRIBUTER TO THE SITE. i JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU,K IT'S NICE SOMEONE HAS A WELL WRITTEN OPINION AROUND HERE

  • April 7, 2011, 2:58 a.m. CST

    AND FUCK HERCULES

    by JackSlater4

    RIGHT IN HIS FAT AOILI

  • April 7, 2011, 5:35 a.m. CST

    "Sea of Simulation" and those other tracks...

    by Mr Headache

    ...are out there, if you look in the right places. The full soundtrack has almost 30 tracks.

  • April 7, 2011, 6:38 a.m. CST

    TRON III: Legacy of the Grid, The Beginning!

    by Arafel

    Thats right motherfuckers, it's a prequel! Hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahhahaha...

  • April 7, 2011, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Showtime's "The Wire" bored me to death... by spudwick30

    by jawsfan

    Then watch HBO's "The Wire" instead. Probably better. "The Wire" is like a great novel. It unfolds chapter by chapter, layer by layer, character arc by character arc. No one single episode can carry or represent the entire show. You have to see the whole thing. Each season it got better and better.

  • April 7, 2011, 8:29 a.m. CST

    kabookieslap

    by Shan

    Cindy Morgan's character is in the comic prequel to Legacy and as far as I know, she doesn't die in it, she just moves for a new job; so hopefully she'll be back for Tron 3.

  • April 7, 2011, 8:34 a.m. CST

    BadMrWonka's got it right

    by D.Vader

  • April 7, 2011, 8:45 a.m. CST

    chewtoy

    by Shan

    I always viewed Tron:Legacy as at least partly a big advertisement more than anything else for the toys and other merchandising. An extremely successful example would be the Pixar Cars movie, which I've heard has sold more than $5 billion in merchandise. If anything, I thought that the makers of Tron:Legacy would want to inflate the budget figure as much as possible so that they could claim as big a loss on tax as possible (for the offset against profit elsewhere) and then rake in the money from all the other revenue streams. I heard they piled all sorts of things into the cost of the film which had nothing to do with the making of it.

  • April 7, 2011, 9:37 a.m. CST

    TL did make loads of money...

    by Andrew Coleman

    Also think of the gamble they took and it paid off. Those who debate BO numbers are losers I hate hearing this... "Marketing would cost like 100 million". First you probably work at 7/11 what the fuck do you know about marketing numbers. Also on these boards the "marketing" seems to always go up and up. People will say marketing costs are $40 million but suddenly marketing costs over $100 million dollars... Shut the fuck up. You don't know shit. Also you look at the money the studios make from DVD sales and rentals you can simply write marketing off... So I don't want to hear made up magical marketing numbers ever again.

  • April 7, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Saw Tron 2-Disc DVD at Wal-mart today

    by MST3KPIMP

    I thought it would never be released again on dvd. I guess all thoise chumps on ebay who shelled out $100 for the previous edition are feeling quite foolish.

  • April 7, 2011, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Meeehh...BUT ONLY IF..

    by Marat

    David Warner is back. I'm not a Cillian Murphy fan. Get a real villain actor to play the villain, then we'll talk.

  • April 7, 2011, 1 p.m. CST

    Tron Legacy was a financial disappointment

    by TheLastCleric

    That’s not a slander but simply a reality check. The film had a budget of 170-200 million and other costs, including advertising and marketing, no doubt added another 100 million (or more) to the figure. Based on the worldwide gross, the film probably cleared about 100 million. Now, profit it profit and that is hardly a failure but it’s far from an unmitigated success. The fact that Legacy was unable to crack 200 million domestically was a pretty significant blow to the viability of the franchise and the diminishing returns seen during the theatrical run indicate the actual consumer interest for a sequel is relatively low. Also, consider that Voyage of the Dawn Treader actually made more than Legacy worldwide and had a smaller budget and yet Disney is now pulling the plug on that particular franchise. If Tron does get a sequel it seems probable it will be a much cheaper endeavor, perhaps even direct-to-video. Personally, I doubt it will happen at all and I honestly consider Legacy a vapid and hollow experience but regardless of personal preference, the film did not perform anywhere near blockbuster expectations.

  • April 7, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    thelastcleric

    by Billy_D_Williams

    awesome post, thanks for providing some much needed truth to this debate...the fanboys simply dont get it...Tron 2 was not a success no matter how you try and spin it...plus that hundred million it made has to be divided among profit participation that people like Bridges and Kosinski no doubt had in their contracts...so the number is smaller than even that. The whole Tron 3 rumbling (which isn't even a commitment to part 3, just speculation) is just to offset how badly part 2 did and to boost dvd blu ray sales...it couldn't be more obvious...people simply dont seem to be able to read between the lines (not surprising considering its aicn).

  • April 7, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Tron Legacy has brought in bank for Disney. Here's why...

    by Quake II

    The toy line was hugely successful last Christmas (one of the best-selling of 2010 btw), the apparel was a hit (Hurley & Adidas released clothing and shoes) and mostly sold out, the elecTRONica rave parties and Flynns arcade at Disneyland was a major draw and brought in millions more, the theatrical run fell below expectations but wasn't close to the flop that some feared, the Blu-ray pre-sales were VERY strong and Tron as a franchise has Disney very excited for future tie-ins. Not a flop by any means.

  • April 7, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST

    both fils were good

    by JaredP

    but nothing compares to the original. it was so groundbreaking for its time

  • April 7, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST

    badmrwonka

    by Billy_D_Williams

    "I don't disagree with you as much as a lot of the talkbackers here, concerning the budget and gross of Tron Legacy. I do disagree that DVD sales shouldn't factor into it, because a movie that is very effects heavy, and will have a hefty blu-ray bundle of behind the scenes stuff, is going to be both expensive, and a big seller." ---i didnt say dvd sales shouldn't factor into it...i said generally dvd blu ray sales are icing on an already profitable cake--- "secondly, the idea that sequels generally do more poorly at the box office is nowhere NEAR true. sometimes they do, sure, but for huge franchises with built in fanbases, they usually do." ---i'll give you that, but Tron 2 did not do well, the fanbase is mostly cult-ish, nowhere near the numbers needed to build a successful franchise..if Tron was going to be huge franchise with a huge fanbase it would have simply made more than 398 million...it made less than 200 million in the US--- "Here are some examples of franchises where EVERY SINGLE SEQUEL made more than the one before it: Shrek, Lord of the Rings, The Bourne series, Batman Begins/Dark Knight (only 2, but we'll see about the next one), Transformers, Ice Age, X-Men, Twilight...should I go on?" ---the only difference is, those are all franchises that have pre-built in fanbase because of books, toys or comics, OR the first installment was ridiculously profitable...Tron falls into neither of those two categories, so that comparison doesn't make sense...Tron 2 is coming off a barely profitable first film (made a pathetic $33 million) that became a cult hit, NOT some franchise making juggernaut---. "I agree that Tron Legacy did not perform quite up to what they'd hoped. But it was still popular enough that including DVD sales and international gross, it will make a nice profit. There is a ride at Disneyland, for fuck sake. There is a HUGE amount of money coming in off the brand. Even with a hefty marketing budget, it's still most likely already in the black." ---Tron 2 is not in the black dude, not with a budget of $300 million or more and with a gross of $400 million, trust me it is NOT in the black...for instance Batman in 89 took years to get into the black and it had HUGE box office...can you explain that? it had a budget of $35 million and made $411 million worldwide, yet it took years to go into the black (forget where i read this, but its been online somewhere) these franchises take years to go into the black and only do because of merchandise and licensing and ancillaries. So tell me, how can Tron 2 be in the black when it didn't even make double its budget yet??? (which is what a film needs to do in order to be profitable) "The point is that if it had lost, or will lose money, the sequel would not happen. Of course this announcement coincides with the DVD release, but that doesn't mean it's a joke." ---Dude, a sequel has not been confirmed, it's just speculation at this point coinciding with the dvd blu ray release...read between the fucking lines man...even if a sequel does happen it will be to boost the marketing potential to offset the massive losses of part 2, no doubt thanks to a much lower budget on the 3rd movie. Disney is not celebrating, they are playing damage control and trying to leech as much money from the Tron merchandising potential as possible...the speculation of a 3rd movie happening during the dvd blu ray release is part of this "sale boost" strategy...like i said, read between the lines. "Bottom line, Tron Legacy made Disney money." ---No, it didn't...like is said above...studios rarely make money with box office...and im talking about a Pirates type hit, it mostly comes from marketing and ancillaries, boosted by the huge interest generated from the massive box office...so if Tron didn't make anywhere near the huge numbers Pirates did, how the fuck can Disney have made any money off Tron 2 yet???...they haven't. Remember, Tron cost even more than the first Pirates film too...no way Disney is in the black with that budget yet. --- loved you in Empire Strikes Back!

  • April 7, 2011, 1:37 p.m. CST

    films

    by JaredP

    i meant to say films

  • April 7, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST

    "Didn't add much to the table"

    by catlettuce4

    It's been nearly 30 years... Legacy was an attempt to reboot Tron for today's younger audiences while NOT abandoning the storyline from before, for the sake of existing fans. It didn't need to add much to what came before, just restate it while not copying it exactly. Now the groundwork is laid, and everyone is ready to see where they take it next, whether they saw the original film or not.

  • April 7, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST

    idrankyourmilkshake2

    by catlettuce4

    The "zen thing" line was great, and totally fit with his character from the previous film and this one. I think there's something wrong with you, not the film.

  • April 7, 2011, 1:54 p.m. CST

    The Iso storyline...

    by catlettuce4

    I suppose those complaining about it think that the Jedi got short changed in the original Star Wars as well, with Ben talking as if there had already been a movie dealing with them and their plight? Give me a break... that was background info that raised the stakes for Sam getting the surviving Iso out of there, and highlighted the awesomeness of the world Kevin created. Maybe they will be expanded upon in part 3, maybe not... it scarcely matters.

  • April 7, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST

    For those that say it drags..

    by Lord Albion

    I took my boys to see it and they are aged 6 and 4. They loved it and watched it twice on the big screen without fidgeting or complaining that any of it was slow. I tried to show them Star Wars, and after half an hour they looked at me and said "Dad, this is really boring." I agreed. So far they have seen and loved Dragonslayer, Labyrinth, Tron and The Black Hole. Next up is The Neverending Story, followed by Krull. We are to quick to assume that kids can't handle exposition and darkness and forget that some of our favourite childhood films are full of it. The first half of Star Wars on the other hand is just boring!

  • April 7, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST

    TRON 3: POTTY-TRAINING QUORRA

    by BurnHollywood

    What, it's not like natives of the Grid used the toilet, right?

  • April 7, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    billy_d_williams

    by BadMrWonka

    I have no idea what you're talking about with Batman, but if you "read it online somewhere", then I guess I have to accept it as fact. The idea that a movie has to double it's stated budget to make a profit is a fallacy that WAY too many people online believe. I think it originates from a (generally) correct assumption that large movies (say, $75 million budget and up) generally have advertising budgets that are close to their production budgets. but the money doesn't come from one place, and it doesn't go back to one place. it's not like one guy is writing a check for $100 million for the movie, then writes another check for $100 million for the promotion and advertising, and therefore needs you to give him $200 million back before he's turning a profit. that's ridiculous. I mean, if you want a good example of how complicated these large movies can get, in terms of where the money is coming from, and how the distribution deals work, look at Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull. Seriously, just google it (you seem to like unverifiable internet sources, so I'm sure you won't mind me pointing you in that direction) and look at how they set up the financing for that. One of their investors, because of the distribution deal and percentages, needed the movie to make over $400 million worldwide before they would start turning a profit. Does that mean "THE MOVIE", as some arbitrary entity, wasn't making money until it hit $400 million? of course not. you're simply looking at this too...simply. Tron Legacy has probably turned a decent profit over all in the theater (less than $50 million overall, I'd guess), but the DVD sales (which are NOT FUCKING ICING, they are factored into studios expectations for revenue, and considered in the movie's budget) and the ENORMOUS revenue stream of merchandising, mean that THIS MOVIE HAS MADE A VERY NICE PROFIT. you may want to plug your ears and go nah nah nah, but I'm afraid you just don't understand how this stuff works. you are repeatedly throwing out as fact, little factoids from the internet that you heard sometime. that's not an actual argument. the irony here is that I am not defending the profit margin of this movie because I like it. I have never even SEEN IT. I just hate misinformation, and people who think that by stating something emphatically enough, it trumps facts, and verifiable information. you are, very simply, incorrect. you can accept it and move on. or continue arguing with myself and others here who clearly a) know more than you about how movie budgets work, and b) know how to distinguish reliable information online from "stuff we heard somewhere". seriously, Batman took years to make a profit? god help your poor brain, sir. it made it's budget back in a week, it's entire print and advertising budget back in another week, and went on to be the fastest movie in history (up to that point) to reach $100 million domestically. I mean...I don't even know what to say to that. How do you argue that the world is round? It just is...

  • April 7, 2011, 4:45 p.m. CST

    badmrwonka

    by Billy_D_Williams

    you're an idiot... don't believe me about Batman being in the red for years? while i cant provide the original sources (since its been years since i read about it), read the following article instead, on why big budget movies stay in the red for years and why Tron 2 still hasn't made a fucking dime: http://www.deadline.com/2010/07/studio-shame-even-harry-potter-pic-loses-money-because-of-warner-bros-phony-baloney-accounting/#utm_source=io9+Newsletter&utm_campaign=eb619859aa-UA-142218- 29&utm_medium=email interpretation: you dont have a clue what you're talking about.

  • April 7, 2011, 5:14 p.m. CST

    billy_d_williams

    by BadMrWonka

    did you actually read that article, or any of the comments? I'm assuming you just googled "blockbuster profit loss" or some nonsense, and linked to the first article you found. if you had read closely what the article, document and commentary were saying, it's not implying that the studio lost money, far from it. it's saying that how they calculate net profit is impressively complicated and structured against those with contracts detailing bonus structures. and honestly, it's a pretty standard contract. It may seem unfair, but it's hardly anything unusual. the studio is defining how much money the movie has yet to make before the bonus structure for this particular contract kicks in. that's it. it's just fancy accounting, not actual revenue. I mean, did you actually read the article? if you did, and you think that it's implying the studio ACTUALLY lost money on a movie that made almost a billion dollars, then, wow...you are truly not very bright. I think it's more likely you just looked at the title of the article, and posted the link without reading it. I really hope that's the case. otherwise, wow...epic failure there. please tell me you didn't read it. and I love that you are still claiming Batman was in the red for years. a movie with GARGANTUAN box office, and some of the highest merchandising sales of the 80's, that made it's production budget back, and then some, IN ITS OPENING WEEKEND. and your entire argument, in the face of logical, rational, verifiable evidence to the contrary is, "I think I read it somewhere but I can't find it anymore." honestly, would you accept that argument from anyone else? no, you would just laugh in their face. come on, kiddo. you've got to do better than that. so...since you have presented one completely nonsensical claim that has NO proof, and makes NO sense, and then offered up a link to an article that does not come close to proving what you THOUGHT it proved (without reading it)...are we done here? this is starting to feel like I'm just beating up on an intellectual weakling, and while that's fine up to a point, I don't want you permanently scarred.

  • this was like, at least 5 times the movie The Deathly Hallows Pt1 was. Next to Legacy, that movie was 15 shades of gray i was looking at right there.

  • April 7, 2011, 5:17 p.m. CST

    latter dammit!

    by Smack_Teddy

  • April 7, 2011, 6:07 p.m. CST

    badmrwonka

    by Billy_D_Williams

    you accuse me of stating facts without providing proof...aren't you doing the same thing you're accusing me of?...where is your proof? i haven't seen a single link...so why are we supposed to believe you again?

  • April 7, 2011, 8:24 p.m. CST

    #1 HOLLYWOOD RULE OF THUMB

    by tailhook

    #1 If a movie is getting a sequel, the previous one was profitable for someone at some time during its release and there is the willingness to do it again so as to make more money. They do not make sequels to unprofitable films. Also, if you know Hollywood, they are an industry built out of hiding the money they make by any means necessary.. usually through overinflated announcements of advertising budgets, budgets themselves, or anything therein. There is never any official 'profit' on a film if their accountants can help it. For a vertically-integrated movie like Tron, simply doubling the budget is a wild success because it gets the budget paid for and anything else they make through marketing tie-ins(video games, action figures, blah de blah de blah), or DVD is all cake.

  • April 7, 2011, 8:33 p.m. CST

    TRON LEGACY vs. SUCKER PUNCH

    by DoogieHowitzer

    Hmm. Odd comparison, but I enjoyed both movies for completely different reasons. Not sure how you can say it was misogynistic. All the men were portrayed in a very bad light, and the characters were misogynisitic, but there was certainly no glorification of their behavior. Secondly, I appreciated the 2 layers of fantasy that Baby Doll used to escape the horrid reality of being in an institution and doomed for abuse and lobotomy. First layer incorporated much of the reality around her and the second layer removed was just absolute fantasy (admittedly not what one would typically expect a girls fantasies to be) but what good is a movie where the girl in the institution escapes to a fantasy world of princesses and ponies? Anyway - keep up the hating you bunch of reactionary goons.

  • April 7, 2011, 8:39 p.m. CST

    tailhook

    by Billy_D_Williams

    the sequel has not been announced, its merely speculation...just in time for the dvd blu ray release...just a coincidence im sure.

  • April 8, 2011, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Billy D Williams, you just don't get it

    by D.Vader

    The lastcleric agreed with people like ME, not you, who say Tron was a disappointment, *not* a failure. And yet you still call all those who disagree with you "fanboys" instead of admitting you're wrong.

  • April 8, 2011, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Billy D Williams can't "quietly bow out", mugato

    by D.Vader

    He has to call everyone who disagrees with him an idiot or a moron or a fanboy first.

  • April 8, 2011, 2:06 a.m. CST

    billy_d_williams

    by BadMrWonka

    c'mon kid. you are making an outrageous claim that Batman took years to recoup it's relatively small budget. that is an unusual, and contradictory claim. so the onus is on YOU to prove it. the burden of proof is on you, since you are making the case. so, go right ahead. give me ANY bit of evidence to prove what you're saying.

  • April 8, 2011, 8 a.m. CST

    its a damn shame people misunderstood Suckerpunch...

    by 1st and only

    doesn't surprise me though...doogiehowitzer is spot on.

  • April 8, 2011, 9:45 a.m. CST

    How Sucker Punch Is Misogynistic

    by NeonFrisbee

    Yeah, the men are painted as bad for abusing the women -- curious that SO MUCH of it is spent on glorifying that abuse and fetishizing it, though, isn't it? Also, do you know any women who fantasize about being abused strippers who live in a mental hospital / bordello that is also a video game cut scene? Me neither. Further, it states that women can only overcome their adversity through dreams -- in other words, not at all. Further still, that they ultimately rely on men to tell them what to do (whether it's from abusive pimps and/or a guiding patriarch). Finally, that the only way women can be free of these things is by getting a lobotomy. Oh, we all understood Sucker Punch and judged it a failure on every conceivable level. I kinda think you didn't get it, however, which is pretty funny.

  • April 8, 2011, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Did you read the name of your own link?

    by Shan

    The link that you're trying to use to support your position that Batman and a lot of other blockbusters actually lost money contains the following sentence: /studio-shame-even-harry-potter-pic-loses-money-because-of-warner-bros-phony-baloney-accounting. Key words are "phony" and "baloney" before "accounting" As in they manipulate the figures to make it look like their films lost money when they didn't really. For further reference, look up how they tried to make it look like Forrest Gump lost money so they wouldn't have to pay the author a percentage of the net as was in his contract.

  • April 8, 2011, 1:47 p.m. CST

    badmrwonka

    by Billy_D_Williams

    forget batman, i said from the get go i couldn't track down the original articles (and you even said you accepted that) ive stated other well known facts about a movie needing to make at least double its budget in order to be profitable, this is well known information (which you even admitted)...you said it was false and widely misunderstood without offering any proof...yet we're somehow supposed to believe you and not the tons of other box office experts who have been spouting this for years...??? the burden of proof is not on me because it is well known information... now unless all these box office experts are lying, then there's nothing left to say unless you'd like to back up your claims.

  • April 9, 2011, 1:05 a.m. CST

    I give up

    by BadMrWonka

    the idea that a movie must double it's budget EVERY TIME WITHOUT EXCEPTION in order to make a profit is a complete myth. people repeat it because it's an easy number to remember and it seems like it might be true. it isn't. sometimes it is, but not always. Tron Legacy was a pretty crappy movie, but it made a lot of money in the theaters, it made a HUGE amount in merchandising and branding, and it's going to have a sequel. period. I'm done arguing with you. you're yelling that the earth is flat and then asking me to prove it's round. it's asinine, and I'm done. good night, kiddo.