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Damn, I thought The Behind the Scenes Pic of the Day was closer!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!

The last time I ran Indy pics back to back for this column I left off Kingdom of the Crystal Skull… some of it was snark and some of it was that I didn’t feel the desire to seek out images from this particular movie.

With some distance I’m not as upset, just kinda disappointed. Luckily today, April 1st, is kind of the perfect time not only to feature Crystal Skull, but to look at one of the most influential scenes from the film.

Now, I didn’t say it was a positive influence. Nuke the Fridge is the new Jumped The Shark. I find the saying funny, but the logistics behind the sequence doesn’t bother me. In fact, Dr. Jones in Doom Town stuff was some of my favorite imagery from the sequel and that shot of Indy and the mushroom cloud is iconic as all hell.

I could forgive that moment and more if I felt the characters were done justice to, written a little bit better.

But that’s neither here nor there. Let’s take a look at Indy in the fridge, shall we? Click to make bigger!



Tomorrow’s Behind the Scenes Pic ain’t bad for a one-eyed fat man!

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  • April 1, 2011, 2:14 p.m. CST


    by mr teaspoon

  • April 1, 2011, 2:14 p.m. CST


    by DangerDave

    Fuck you Lucas.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST


    by mr teaspoon

    I couldn't finish Kingdom. Don't remember it being bad, just boring.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Here's hoping we see some Prequel BTS pics next time Star Wars is up

    by StarWarsRedux

  • April 1, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Now if only they would update it to 3D!!

    by HndMeFood

    We hate you George.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST

    The best use of nuke the fridge was the one in Fallout New Vegas

    by Kontarsky

    Fact. And I got Indy's hat

  • April 1, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST

    This scene was a great Back to the Future reference...

    by Kevin Bosch

    ... and if you don't get why, then you're just a passive BTTF fan.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST

    You Know, It's Almost Like They Made A 1950s "B" Movie

    by Acquanetta

    If you look at it objectively, most of the hated elements are precisely what make Kingdom an effective homage to 1950s genre flicks: Talky exposition, weird pseudo science, animation, focus on a core family unit, and a greater emphasis on over-the-top fantasy. (Remember, the rise of Technicolor didn't exactly leave audiences eager to watch gritty realism. They craved spectacle.) I doubt unhappy fans will ever be able to get over that stylistic hurdle, just as I have many friends and family that have never been able to appreciate Temple. The irony is that Kingdom does include some of the series' most detailed sets and practical f/x (ie. nuked town; cemetery; obelisk; mechanical door; throne room; etc.), yet they are all generally mistaken for cgi. It's also ironic that the most controversial scenes (ie. fridge; monkeys; vehicle in tree; ufo) would've been right at home back in the 1980s- a decade now celebrated for everything from time traveling DeLoreans to wacky scientists battling a giant, walking marshmallow. The finished product isn't how I would've approached Indy 4, but it's also far more clever than it gets credit for being. But then, I'm almost as fond of the era being paid tribute as I am stuff from the 80s.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Screw y'all; I like it!!

    by darthderp

    Yes, it's over the top. NEWS FLASH!! IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE!!! Come on, people; this isn't supposed to be Shakespere or some hoity-toity dramatic piece that we're supposed to nod our heads and go, "very interesting." IT'S INDIANA FUCKING JONES!! SHUT UP AND ENJOY THE RIDE!!! Sorry for the venom; it's been a rough week for me.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Never even watched the entire film

    by Kontarsky

    I love the entire trilogy for different reasons and didn't want to see old Indy in the 1950s. If I want just classic adventure, I watch Raiders, if I want horror/cults/gore I watch second. If I want mythical/famous archaelogy, Connery, and watch General Veers as the villain and Admiral Ozzel play Hitler, I watch Crusade. Honestly, I like the 1950s - and I bet this film gives a good feel for that sort of thing, Fallout and other things I like have that feel but I just don't like Shia LaBeef and Indy is old, it's kinda sad. Marcus is dead, Connery isn't even in it...and.... Commies just can't follow up Nazis that well, either. Nor can aliens follow up the fucking holy grail LOL

  • April 1, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Not to mention NO SALLAH

    by Kontarsky

    Yet another reason why I'll never bother.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Have Lucas or Spielberg expressed any doubt about Skull...

    by SydBarretsMyDad

    ....since its release? Or do they think it was just as good as the rest of the films. Just curious. I too was dissapointed in the film. And though Ive seen it numerous times, struggle to remember much about it. Even worse I had to reach to scrape together any enjoyment from it, even in a nostalgic sense. So I guess my curiosity about the makers hindsight is actually respect for Spielberg. I cant believe someone who is responsible for so many of my favorite films would be oblivious to the shortcomings of Crystal Skull. Lucas is a different story. Hes inside the bell jar (jar). And hell never get out.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Beloved writer FRANK DARABONT wrote the fridge scene

    by Rob

    Yes he did. I've read his draft of the script and it's in there. There are many scenes are that similar in his script to the final version and unfortunately, that's one of the parts.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:29 p.m. CST


    by bigpale

    Are you suggesting that Doc and Marty were about to drive up and use the Nuke as a power source to get the Delorian back to 1985? wink wink

  • April 1, 2011, 2:30 p.m. CST

    It blows my mind Steven Spielberg directed that.

    by MrWug

    With the prequels it was all Lucas, but with this...

  • I. The Terrible Trio and "The Kobe Project" CHOPPAH has learned, through sources anonymous and hidden, that Mr. Beaks, Nordling and Devin Faraci have been running a long game, using sock puppets to infiltrate and provoke talkbackers into ban-nable offenses to illustrate how Harry has lost control of his site and to purge any malcontents. It's all to usurp Harry, whom they view as a corpulent geek version of King Lear entering his dotage, and assume control of his site, his resources, and connections to turn AICN into perfectly functioning site with police-state-like talkbacks that would increase their personal wealth by whoring itself out to the studios. "It's obvious that Harry uses the site to get 'pweasants' from his studio buddies," one of my sources tells me. "But AICN still has its shaggy-dog, shambling charms. Beaks, Faraci and Nordling have been conspiring to turn the site into a pure revenue-generating machine." Their legion of sock puppets includes: JettL93, lowes forehead girl, chickengeorge, viggeo_morgenstein, william_faulkner and their oldest, most brilliant creation: hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes, a churlish, thuggish reflection of how the trio views talkbackers. "They called it 'The Kobe Project,' or sometimes 'Project: Kobe,'" another one of my well-placed sources told me. "My God, do they laugh and laugh when they use the kobe_ass_tastes handle, or whatever the fuck it's called." All three of the conspirators share a password to use the kobe name, often at the same time, to infiltrate and rupture talkbacker "groups" such as the Baleback and its eventual offshoot, the Pedalback. Looking back now, using state-of-the-art textual analysis, it is obvious to CHOPPAH that kobe had to be the creation of more than one mind: he is often condescending, snobby, grumpy and despicable all within the space of a few minutes or posts. He is the love-child of a troika of pseudo-intellectual bullies, an avatar of their insidious, arrogant hive mind. But his deranged trio's plotting pushed their conspiracy to even darker territories. Desperate to find the ultimate coup de grace, especially as Harry's health problems grew to a near-critical phase while he was distracted by the Famous Monsters of Filmland website they coerced him into taking over, they despicably seized upon the death of beloved film editor and Quentin Tarantino collaborator, Sally Menke. They would make their power play in Menke's AICN obit. ... Tune in for Part 2, "Where's Devin?"

  • April 1, 2011, 2:30 p.m. CST

    The film i snot as bad as people make it out to be

    by eric haislar

    But it does have it's problems and this silly scene is one of them. Parts of the film are classic Indy and other parts are like really did they really just do that?

  • April 1, 2011, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Technically "Nuke The Fridge" became a synonymous for...

    by RedEgiraahgnal

    ...the whiny attitude of today's fanboys, who love to pick good stuff apart for reasons, that nobody who has at least one rational thought in his mind could understand. For more about why Indy 4 haters are idiots, read Vern's review of it. (Although of course he says it nicer than I do.)

  • April 1, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST

    And strike the "a" in my last headline.

    by RedEgiraahgnal

    I became distracted, when I was about to change the original sentence. Indy 4 haters can suck it anyway. It's MUCH better than the lame father/son sitcom that was LAST CRUSADE!

  • April 1, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Re: "Nuke the Fridge is the new Jumped The Shark"

    by Acquanetta

    The real problem with "nuke the fridge" is that it's not an apt comparison to "jump the shark". Happy Days began life as a nostalgic look at the 1950s. People tuned in and said, "Yeah, I remember doing stuff like that." So when Fonzie used water skiis to jump over a shark, it was obvious the show had lost its way. Indiana Jones was always meant to be a fantastic and nostalgic tribute to pulp genres. He encountered the wrath of God in the first film. Witnessed a man survive having his heart ripped out in the second. And literally tasted immortality in the third. Once you accept that Indy becoming immortal makes perfect sense, it's kind've silly to complain about aliens or other dimensions as being too "out there".

  • April 1, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Not a fanboy, still disliked it.

    by SydBarretsMyDad

    whatever could have happened to my rational thought. If YOU liked it and thought it good, I MUST be wrong! I'll go watch it very sorry for my mistake.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST


    by eric haislar

    They never showed the sub diving i always assumed it was he either entered the sub or just rode on top and it never dived. Also jumping out of a air plane with the raft while may not work is real life is a much easier thing to grasp and except, then hiding in a lead lined fridge because we all know lead will shield you from the blast!! everyone knows it's radiation not a explosion. Morons.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Doubtful it's a BTTF reference

    by matthooper8

    Just because the time machine was a fridge in the original BTTF script I fail to see how the Crystal Skull fridge is an homage.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST


    by Ryan

    Please someone tell me this is a cruel joke! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  • April 1, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST


    by eric haislar

    But even the immortality had rules. it only worked it you stayed there and did not cross the seal. The new films just makes up stuff as it goes along regardless of the ridiculousness. I will agree it's not a awful film. but it sort of felt like they where just doing it because they could and not because they wanted to.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:39 p.m. CST

    "Nuke the Fridge" is NOT the new "Jumped the Shark"

    by D.Vader

    That's a tired catchphrase that *some* tried to make into a thing, but it just doesn't work. And shame on you, Quint, for buying into it. The Nuke the Fridge moment is one of the best in the movie. I laughed out loud in the theater when I saw it.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Its just lazy writing, Quint

    by D.Vader

    I don't believe for one second that you actually believe "Nuked the Fridge" is the new "Jumped the Shark". But you didn't know what else to write, or have the energy to do so.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST


    by eric haislar

    Dude it's a joke he is retiring. He has said so a number of times on his podcast. he is doing hit sombody and that is it. He is going to just do his funny as hell podcast now.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:41 p.m. CST

    enricobalazar re: the fridge

    by JAMF

    actually darabont like every other writer on a lucas project is just writing from a george lucas story. darabont's script had aliens and crystal skulls too, doesnt mean he came up with them. i still havent read his script, i wasnt sure it was even online at this stage, i'll have to stick it on my kindle.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Best moment in that film?

    by matthooper8

    What's the point? That's like finding the best smelling part of a turd. What's the difference, it's all the same shit.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST


    by eric haislar

    His script was similar but was better, character where fleshed out more. there was no son and Marion had a much bigger role more in line with Raiders. It's been awhile but also the reason he goes to looks for the skulls has to do with the government i think.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Like I said earlier, just watch the movies and enjoy the ride

    by darthderp

    These films aren't meant to be broken down and analyzed; they are meant to be entertaining. Is the "nuked fridge" over the top? Yes, I'll admit it freely, but so are other bits in the series (raft as a parachute? Heart-ripping Kali-worshippers? SUPERNATURAL TREASURE CHESTS?!?) Don't think, just watch and enjoy. I'm not ripping into anyone who hated it, just trying to give a different perspective.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    yeah thanks

    by JAMF

    i just downloaded the pdf, i must not have heard it was 'verified' back in the day and passed on it. i'll go read it now, give my eyes a rest from the ol' lcd.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Darabont's version was worse than what's on the screen

    by rev_skarekroe

    It's silly to have Indy using a snake as a rope. It's even sillier to have him actually getting eaten by a snake and then removed from its belly.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:48 p.m. CST

    A certain breed of fan...

    by Arteska

    ...had Indy a box his creators never have. The pulp origins and influences of this character (and particularly how pulp transitioned into the space age) are completely alien to people under a certain age. The Red Scare/terrorism hysteria parallel in this movie is pretty deft too - as is the agent's attempt to swift boat Indy after the nuke. That and people that have no problem with Jesus magic cannot accept extraterrestrial life, nor do they cop to mythologies that aren't Euro-centric. Most of the hate I've encountered for this movie rests squarely on the shoulders of people that didn't even see the originals in the theatres nor understand what they channeled when they were created in the first place. Fine on you if you don't like the movie but the notion that it is SO different from the previous ones is just blind prejudice. This is one of the very few film series with sequels that aren't complete retreads and try to do new things with each one.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Forever will be a George Lucas Fan

    by mrm242

    But I didn't like Crystal Skull at all. I will defend The Phantom Menace.Although not great but I was entertained. Looking forward to taking my son to see it in 3-D

  • April 1, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST

    And the BTTF thing

    by Arteska

    It's not so much an homage as a repurposed idea tethered to past development involving BTTF, Indy, Lucas, Spielberg, etc..

  • April 1, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed Crystal Skull

    by Blanket-Man

    Not as much as the first three, but it had its moments. I hope they make another one before Ford retires.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST


    by Acquanetta

    "But even the immortality had rules. it only worked it you stayed there and did not cross the seal." But my point was that he did in fact become immortal. He became immortal, which is sheer fantasy. Once we're willing to accept stuff like that, it becomes harder to act as though subsequent fantasy is completely absurd. "They never showed the sub diving i always assumed it was he either entered the sub or just rode on top and it never dived." Once Indy reaches the sub, the very next scene shows the captain giving the order to "Dive!" as the klaxon sounds! All four movies have plot holes or elements which you have to kind've meet halfway. (ie. Immortality) If you're not willing to do that, then of course it's all going to seem ridiculous. I do think Lucas and Spielberg just decided to do whatever they wanted and have fun reliving their 50s youth, but I doubt it was an act they didn't want to be doing.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Skull is perfectly fine movie

    by tomimt

    it's entertaining adventure flick. Personally I find only couple of bad scenes in it, both having Mutt in them. First is the vine swing, other is branches to the balls scene. Other than those, I was well entertained by it and honestly that is all I ask for an Indy movie.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST

    The fridge is, LEAD LINED

    by Bradford Richardson

    Quint, Look close as Indy jumps into the fridge, you'll see a tiny sign on the door, LEAD LINED!

  • April 1, 2011, 3 p.m. CST


    by eric haislar

    I totally get what your saying my thing is the supernatural stuff was fine with me. I know it's dumb but the way it was always presented was at least realistic to a extent. Hell i don't have problems with the aliens. It makes sense to me. I just the hate things like the waterfall, fridge, vine swinging like he was Tarzan. Because those things are just so unrealistic you know it's fake. Like i said earlier parts are classic Indy and other parts are like "what the hell where they thinking."

  • April 1, 2011, 3:02 p.m. CST

    I've argued this point before, but like or loath Skull you gotta admit

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Spielberg can still direct the hell out of set pieces. The fist fight at the jet sled pad, the motorcycle chase, the jungle truck chase..ALL directed with an eye for timing, action, compostion, AND you can tell whats going on at all times..unlike some "action" directors lately.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST


    by eric haislar

    Agreed. There are parts of the film to admire. The fist fight with the ants is awesome in my option.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:05 p.m. CST

    It's funny, the entire opening of this movie had me very excited...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...I loved the whole "bringing Indy into the Atomic Age," and the action was great. But the CGI abuse is really bad and I agree with Quint that the way they "updated" the Marion character was unforgivable. It was painful to watch.

  • Remember a few days ago when the talk was about how gritty and painful the over-the-top truck sequence was in the original Raiders? Obviously, that was a vehicle fight taken to absurd levels, but the film still made you invest in it and the danger of it all, and you believed the characters got hurt and risked death. That's what made it thrilling. Now imagine in the same flick had Indy inside a refrigerator propelled by an atomic bomb blast cartwheeling end over end, falling out dizzily to scare a couple of groundhogs. It was a clear sign that the filmmakers had long since said "Fuck it" about convincing us to buy into any of this.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    The WORST film of the past 5 years!

    by RoarsLoudly

  • April 1, 2011, 3:10 p.m. CST

    And thanks to guy above that re-linked Vern's review

    by Arteska

    A great re-read and spot on.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST


    by Katet19

    Thy cross the seal and leave the confines of the cave the immortality is nullified.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Why The Fridge Is Stupid

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    it's not the heat or the radiation or any of that that bugged me about this scene, it was the speed at which that fridge is flying and the force at which it hits the ground that took me right out of the movie...not only would Jones be dead from that impact, he'd be a bag of mush...and don't give me any shit bout how he's immortal from drinking from the grail, one the grail crossed the seal and two you have to stay in the temple to get the lasting effects. the raft scene in doom was acceptable because they fucking really did it, not with actors I know but that was really a raft with some weight in the middle inflating in mid air and falling really not all that fast, plus they confirmed it on mythbusters the heart scene is fine because at that point you accepted there was some crazy magic going on and your reaction was more "holy shit" than "bullshit you can't really do that" the Fridge scene while visually epic was totally over the top and unbelievable and didn't work on any level

  • April 1, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST

    @roar and chew

    by vicmackey1268

    ...agree completely with you guys. Before this film I thought people who walked out of movies were either too full of themselves or morons for going to see a movie that had to have looked terrible....I walked out of this too late, I should have at this scene with the fridge, then again with the stupid cheeseball bar fight, then again with the skull mind control, then with the ants, then with the waterfall sequence, the monkeyboy vine swinging.....but sadly it took me until Indy stood in awe of a mountain turning into a was the worst piece of imagery I've ever laid eyes on. Indy and Aliens...ugh... That being said the fridge thing is based on a real hutch that if the Russians attacked the fridge would keep you safe from radiation fallout...

  • April 1, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST

    and for shame Darabont came up with that one didnt he?

    by Smack_Teddy

    Perhaps the way he wrote it in mind to be directed was, well... less ridiculous This movie was a nut in the eye for both Indy and the idea of exploring Mayan-interdimensional/extraterrestrial beings with the source material

  • Not knowing that most of what they were looking at were actually models.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST

    I really liked Skull

    by ComSamVimes

    ...and I was set on hating it. I think the problem with it is they SHOW things. Like someone said above. Had we actually seen how Indy attached himself to the Submarine in would have been silly looking. They didn't really have to show the swinging with monkeys. It could have been implied, and it would have been fine. The other things was how stupid is looked when the dove off the cliff onto the tree that swings back into the guys climbing on it. I don't know why they couldn't have just gone straight into the water...the do it three times after that and they were fine. Just a few things here and there and the movie would have been spectacular. As it is right now..I really enjoy it. Also, yes. Spielberg is still a master of action set pieces.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Mushroom Cloud

    by Bumb48

    Indy against the mushroom cloud was indeed awesome. That and when he took his hat back at the very end were both great moments. Made me want to love the film. Shame the rest of the movie wouldn't let me.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST

    If the fridge scene is "visually epic"

    by D.Vader

    Then it obviously worked on some level.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Shia the Chimp

    by KoolerThanJesus

    We have Shia swinging through the trees as fucking tarzan with monkeys and people have a problem with the fridge?

  • April 1, 2011, 3:24 p.m. CST


    by Kevin Bosch

    Not only was the time machine a fridge, but the original climax of BTTF involved delivering said time machine fridge into a nuclear testing site (complete with mocked up suburban houses) with Marty inside (safe, like Indy, because of the lead lining) to capture the required nuclear power to travel back through time. So no, I dont think it was a direct, obvious reference, but I do think it was a nice nod by Spielberg to Gale and Zemeckis.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:24 p.m. CST

    People who say the Ants scene sucked...

    by D.Vader

    Well... I just don't think those people can be trusted.

  • and most of you guys hate it just because lucas was involved. if it had been anyone else the venom wouldnt be so damn harsh

  • April 1, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST


    by Kevin Bosch

    Thats true. But back when this movie came out, it was not available. (It was actually put together by the storyboard artist for a Delorean/BTTF convention a few years back.)

  • April 1, 2011, 3:32 p.m. CST


    by matthooper8

    I stand corrected my friend.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Wow, this BTTF story history is amazing...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...the time machine was originally a refridgerator?!?! Jesus, whoever decided to turn it into the Delorean should be given an honorary Oscar or something...

  • April 1, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST

    braindrain pt2

    by Kevin Bosch

    The only way to know about it before then was to read the original drafts of Part 1. Where Hill Valley was in the midwest, Marty's gf was named Susy, he worked for "Professor Brown", who had a pet was a monkey, as a video pirate and bootlegger. Any (God-forbid) remake of BTTF should just try and adapt the early drafts, with the nuclear test grounds and fridge.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Halfbreedqueen- that's all subjective

    by D.Vader

    The monkeys and the groundhogs being some of the worst CGI of the decade? That's a subjective statement to be sure (and one most likely influenced by the speakers' opinions of the film as a whole), and until I see someone do comparisons to other furry, CG critters from other films to show why the Indy Jones' monkeys and groundhogs are god-awful, I won't be swayed. As far as jungle backgrounds go, I don't feel it was bad CGI; I think it was more of an issue with the lighting that made things look off. After all, the leaves and trees all looked real. Can you really say those didn't look like real leaves and trees and vines? Its really easier to say the lighting just made things look... weird.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    I loved the nuke/fridge sequence

    by doopey

    I really did. I laughed out loud and thought it was a clever way to bring Indy into the nuclear age. I get that it doesn't have some of the "realism" that was in Raiders, but that level of realism was already abandoned in Temple and Last Crusade. The only real problems I had were the monkeys and the convoluted narrative. The first chunk of the movie, up until they first arrive in South America, feels exactly like I would imagine Indy in the 1950s. Then it just never really makes sense after that. But Marion provides a nice spark when she shows up and I really really love the way it ends; it's a nice little epilogue, especially if they never make another one.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST


    by Kevin Bosch

    My sentence structure was, as they say, nuked by a fridge.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:41 p.m. CST

    halfbreedqueen: Submarines don't have to submerge at all.

    by Chewtoy

    "And even if it stayed near the surface, for a long trip, you'd still be 30 feet under the water at least... you wouldn't just be able to hold on." Not *near* the surface, *on* the surface... i.e. the sub never dived at all. It was pre war, nobody was going to bomb it... there was no reason it had to dive. People just assume it must have, because that's what subs do... but they traveled on the surface all of the time, especially diesel powered ones. The crew all travels inside, leaving the decks clear until they need to be manned... it's actually the perfect ship to stow away on for a short, above-surface journey. And what's important here is that, no matter what the original intent of the scene might have been, *we never see the sub dive or Indy have to do anything ridiculous to survive.* It might have even been in the script that he lashed himself to a periscope or something else, but at some point someone likely said "that really is too much, isn't it?" and the scene got cut. Either way, it's not in the film.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    I Wonder How Long The "Nuked The Fridge" Debate Will Rage On?

    by NeonFrisbee

    I'm thinking at least 3 to 4 days at least.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Crystal Skull Is EVEN WORSE Than The Phantom Menace

    by NeonFrisbee

    OPINION! (Since saying FACT! about completely subjective opinions is totally stupid.)

  • April 1, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Fridge nuke good and bad

    by Tom

    I actually thought hiding in the fridge realizable idea, an old old like that could have lead lined walls I don't know. But when the shot into the sky and let it drop, well Indy would have been a mass of broken bones at that point. And then he got back up and chased the bad guys. If he just survived the blast, and not get tossed into the air, then retreated to lick his wounds. I'd have no problem with the scene at all.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Nice work Frisbee

    by D.Vader

    Saying "Fact" after stating one's opinion here on the Talkbacks is one of the more absurd epidemics over the past few years.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:53 p.m. CST

    "Fill Your Hand You sunuvabitch!!!!"

    by SobchakSecurity

    Nuff said.

  • A guy's heart gets ripped out and he's still alive, lowered into lava...demons escape from the Ark and melt people's faces off. A raft falls from a plane down a mountain side, off a cliff, and into is the fridge nuke any more far fetched one of you idiot fanboys PLEASE explain this to me..

  • April 1, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Knowing what to cut

    by pintoman

    Spielberg and Lucas really needed Gary Kurtz to say "that's enough" or "that sucks". Without Kurtz (everything after 'Raiders and 'Empire) the films were not as polished. Kurtz was a hidden gem for the franchise as it turns out.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST

    My own feelings KOTCS aside for a moment.....

    by SobchakSecurity

    Personally, I was disapointed with it, and I see where both the pro and con sides come from. However, I also think that the backlash against could just be personal bias/vendetta against Spielberg and/or Lucas from critics for various yet some obvious reasons.

  • April 1, 2011, 4 p.m. CST

    Oh and as for over the top fantastic action adventure vs realism....

    by SobchakSecurity

    I'm all for the former, and enjoy the latter, to me it's all in how it's done,delivered,crafted,handled etc.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Nuke the fridge was the only scene I enjoyed

    by JamesTCT

    This film started off promisingly (apart from the CGI chipmunks or whatever they were) and the scene in Doomtown was one of the few moments when I was on the edge of my seat. Holy crap! A nuclear explosion in seconds, how is Indy going to get out of this one. And then the fridge... it made me laugh, in a good way. Of course, its the only way he could survive! Someone name a more logical way of escaping a nuclear blast with only 5 seconds notice. Anyone? Well then.

  • Every Indiana Jones fan wanted this to be great or at least good. True fans such as myself were hit the hardest. Yes, KOTCS raped my midlife crisis!

  • April 1, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Darabont's script was actually worse

    by doopey

    Honestly. You can find it online.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Great post there, you're spot on. People like erichaislar going on about realism in Indiana Jones movies have completely missed the point of the whole enterprise. And anybody criticising Spielberg's DIRECTION of the film really need to go back and learn filmmaking 101, he's a master of form and action. All the flaws in Skull stem from Darabont, his screenplay was atrocious. Koepp's screenplay is underwhelming but still miles better than Frank's attempt.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST

    My 3rd Favorite Indy Film.

    by little_lebowski

    I'm just not shallow enough to hate it... I like a film for it's personality, not it's technical perfection.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach


  • April 1, 2011, 4:15 p.m. CST

    @halfbreed, out-thinking water

    by Absent Nine Times

    It isn't like Indy said "down this passage, the water won't think we're in here" It's physics. The main flow of water in the large passageway is mostly going to keep going down the same corridor. Some would make the turn, but only a small fraction of the main wave. Indy went that way so there would be less (and slower) water "chasing" them. If you want to complain about water issues, let's talk Die Hard 3, where McClane is torpedoed straight up dozens of feet by a (mostly) unpressurized wave.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Darabont's script had one good thing going for it.

    by rev_skarekroe

    Marion was tougher and had more to do. Besides that, there's more cheesy lines and self-referential humor. Honestly, it reads like fanfic.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:20 p.m. CST

    "Yes, KOTCS raped my midlife crisis!"

    by NeonFrisbee

    Haha! Nice one, CHOP.

  • Just curious.

  • Her cheekbones are epic.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:23 p.m. CST

    It was fun.

    by bre32

    I loved the entire nevada prologue, diner fight, mind interrogation, Spalko, ant fight, and Indy encountering the ufo. Actually, I'd put the first half up against anything in Temple or Crusade. I also really enjoyed Ford's older portrayal of Indy. What's surprising is that Spielberg appears to have been the weak link this time around. On paper, Lucas' idea was not only ballsy but also a bit darker: Aliens, living dead, psychic villains, Indy losing his friends, family, and job. The skull even made Indy's eyes bleed! Spielberg was more concerned with retreading familiar ground and keeping everything family-friendly. He's responsible for the more predictable second half, the slapstick moments, and details like making sure we know the little monkey survives after being thrown by Spalko. I can understand people who didn't get or enjoy it. Indiana Jones films never seem to be what anyone expects, and I can recall mixed reactions greeting both Temple and Crusade upon release. It's harder to take seriously some of the fanboy arguments. You can't really complain about things like stereotypical villains, weak character development, tired humor, and implausible scenarios without acknowledging the same were part in the previous sequels. Of course those aspects are present, it's an Indiana Jones film!

  • April 1, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST

    I hate KOTCS but..

    by disfigurehead

    I love that shot of Indy in front of the mushroom cloud.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST

    I guess we blame the guy who wrote the final draft.

    by rev_skarekroe

    I don't remember his name. It's on IMDB.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Some perspective!

    by ZodNotGod

    How is the nuking the fridge any worse/absurd than when the dude watches his heart being removed? Or the 1,200 y/o Knight at the end of TLC? Exactly. Cram this noise!

  • Really impressive resume...

  • April 1, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Re: Darabont's script was actually worse

    by bre32

    That script was surprisingly weak. Much of it read like bad fan fiction: Characters quoted dialogue they had originally said 20 years earlier. Darabont's version of Mac even quotes the tagline from Temple of Doom- twice! And Indy attempted the old sandbag trick again, in an attempt to steal the Golden Idol from the museum. As for Marion, she behaved like a character in one of Marvel's old Indy comics- not someone that had gone on to have a life for the past 15 years. There was a bi-plane sequence that would've required more extensive cgi. Indy got swallowed by a giant snake. The cast of characters was even larger. The aliens literally came out of nowhere at the end. Indy met them with "Welcome to Earth!" Oh, and Indy got shit on by a monkey. There were other parts I would've enjoyed seeing on the big screen, but the bulk of it was both disappointing and lacking the spirit of the series.

  • My gut tells me George and/or Steven had some thoughts about who Marion should be after all these years...

  • April 1, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST


    by ZodNotGod

    They can't because they are grasping at short hairs. Their rage is horeshit.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:37 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Exactly. Or a life-raft coming out of an airplane or going off the edge of a cliff, a minecar going off the rails and landing perfectly on the next section etc etc.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST

    RE: "...Indy got shit on by a monkey..."

    by WriteForTheEdit

    Many would argue that did indeed happen, metaphorically anyway.

  • This always bugs me when people criticize 'Crystal Skull.' I mean, in 'Temple of Doom,' they jump out of a moving plane, while the raft inflates coming down, hits a mountain that goes from snowy to tree-lined, and then over the edge into raging rapids. Though over the years, 'Temple of Doom' has grown on me, as it really feels moreso in the vein of the adventure serials, while Raiders and Last Crusade are a bit more of their own thing. I do find Crystal Skull makes good 'background noise' when I was working on my comic. I don't know why, but it somehow pushes me onward for creativitiy.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST

    So at least we can all agree...

    by D.Vader

    That shot of Indy vs the Mushroom cloud *is* EPIC.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    He's also gotten the sole credit for doing the last draft/cleanup on a lot of movies that he didn't really write; Spider-Man for instance.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:42 p.m. CST

    The problem with KOTCS was expectation

    by darthvedder81

    It's clearly the weakest of the series but it's still entertaining as all hell. My problem with it were the weak attempts at sentiment. The scenes that didn't work were the ones where they tried to give it emotional resonance ala Last Crusade (where that worked wonderfully thanks mostly to Connery). They should have dropped all of that and just went for a straight action picture (ala Temple). I was just glad to see old school action scenes and camera tracking shots with editing that make sense. The problem was people going into it thinking it would be some sort of epic dramatic event and finding a pulpy, somewhat corny throwback to Republic serials—like, you know, the first 3 were...

  • April 1, 2011, 4:43 p.m. CST

    I remember thinking it felt "out of time" somehow

    by Smartacus

    I really didn't mind it, I just felt like I was watching an action/adventure film from 20 years ago. The summer that KOTCS came out was just packed with great competition. Iron Man, The Dark Knight, and The Incredible Hulk all rocked. I loved Hellboy II and Wall-E. I even enjoyed Hancock for the most part. 2008 almost couldn't miss and KOTCS didn't really miss either. It just felt "old". It felt like I'd seen this and things had sped up in the world but here was George, Stephen, and Harrison dragging out the exact same kind of storytelling that they'd done in the first three. That wasn't a problem, it just felt out of sync with all the rest of the really good movies released that year.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Have ridiculous things happened in Indiana Jones movies before? YES.

    by Mattyboy122

    BUT. The problem with nuking the fridge is that it is emblematic of a problem with the entire film: namely that you never, never feel like Indy is ever in any real danger. Indy using the raft as a parachute is silly as fuck, but are you going to tell me you aren't thinking 'sweet god Mola Ram is going to rip his heart out!' every time you see the scene where they're fighting on the collapsed bridge? There are moments of real peril in the previous films, (less so with Last Crusade, but the movie is at least made watchable because Spielberg very clearly cares about the father-son dynamic in the film) whereas Crystal Skull is lifeless. It's on par with The Lost World for being Spielberg's worst movie because you can tell he is just going through the motions like he just doesn't give a shit. Even his biggest failures like Always and Hook have that air about them where you can tell he's making something that interests and speaks to him. What is Crystal Skull? It's one of our most talented filmmakers collecting a paycheck. Nothing more, nothing less. And that's what it feels like: a few hours in a sterile, lifeless cubicle.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:43 p.m. CST

    by ZodNotGod

    "Spielberg and Lucas really needed Gary Kurtz to say "that's enough" or "that sucks". Without Kurtz (everything after 'Raiders and 'Empire) the films were not as polished. Kurtz was a hidden gem for the franchise as it turns out." Kurtz had nothing to do with Raiders and got fired for not doing his fucking job on Empire. Cram the anti-shit. Fuck him.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    d. vader

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Agreed. Lucas had Struzan do a poster of it for his personal collection. Here it is: <p>

  • April 1, 2011, 4:45 p.m. CST


    by bre32

    "And sorry, but whatever Mythbusters says, the whole plane gag is just absurd on all levels." Actually, Mythbusters agreed with you. They weren't able to duplicate the stunt, despite multiple attempts. I don't know how the "Mythbusters proved it!" argument got started, but it was never anything more than, well, a myth itself.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST


    by ZodNotGod

    "A guy's heart gets ripped out and he's still alive, lowered into lava...demons escape from the Ark and melt people's faces off. A raft falls from a plane down a mountain side, off a cliff, and into is the fridge nuke any more far fetched one of you idiot fanboys PLEASE explain this to me.." EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They can't because their gripes are bullshit to begin with. Let's not forget the 1,200 y/o Knight alive at the cave in TLC or when Indy is driving along and reaches out and breaks off a road sign and uses it as a joust stick or the airplane flying through a tunnel or climbing from bow to stern on a moving truck? *Don't have selective memories, it makes you look fucking retarded.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Why do people complain about Marion?

    by doopey

    It's 20 yrs later! She had a kid and got married. Why on earth would you expect her to be the same exact person who was doing whiskey shots in a bar in Nepal? She still has the spunk, it comes through. She's just older, for pete's sake.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Ever see the HISHE version?

    by HyphenatedWords

    <a href =>Love this video!</a> <br> <br> "I think I've broken every bone in my body!" I HATE that sequence. Quint and people in this talkback are calling the mushroom cloud image an "iconic shot"? Why? What makes it iconic? Because they framed it low and held on it, it's <i>supposed</i> to be iconic? It was force fed, outdated, and unnecessary. Because he'd obviously be vaporized at that distance and the in-your-face CG of the shot, it instead represents what's wrong with this movie for me.

  • April 1, 2011, 4:59 p.m. CST

    HISHE Link

    by HyphenatedWords

  • April 1, 2011, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Re: I remember thinking it felt "out of time" somehow

    by bre32

    Yeah, to me it feels like something that could've been released in the early 90s. In a way, it's a sign that Spielberg accomplished his goal, since he wanted to make it feel just like the earlier ones. The obvious problem with this is that today's audiences naturally expect lots of cgi, while purists didn't want ANY included in an Indy film. It was basically a no-win scenario. The other side of it is that Spielberg wanted it to be "no better or worse" than the previous two sequels. The problem there is that those sequels have divided fans for 20 years. The end result left Indy 4 with all the same flaws, yet without the buffer zone of nostalgia to hide them from fans.

  • April 1, 2011, 5:02 p.m. CST

    "Yes, KOTCS raped my midlife crisis!"


    I'll give you that one chop ... great post, and agree with your opinion on the movie.

  • April 1, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    d.vader: good point.

    by WriteForTheEdit

    Yeah, some of these giant "property" motion pictures have so many fingerprints on them, it's almost impossible to distinguish who can be credited with a particular detail.

  • April 1, 2011, 5:07 p.m. CST


    by bre32

    That's the only two scenes I would cut as well. I actually love the shot of the monkey with the greaser hairdo, but I could do without the subsequent swinging. The whole 'dodging the branches' thing is terrible, though. At least with the vine swinging I can understand why it's there- since Tarzan was such an obvious influence on Lucas and Spielberg. Yet I have no idea who the intended audience is for the branches. You can tell it's something Spielberg probably cooked up on the spot while shooting. Worse, he cut several scenes that would've been much more substantial- including an extra moment where Indy uses his whip and a scene where Spalko proves she has psychic ability.

  • April 1, 2011, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Speaking of HISHE, the one for Iron Man is my favorite...

    by WriteForTheEdit


  • April 1, 2011, 5:11 p.m. CST

    WTF Kwis?

    by D.Vader

    Where did you find THAT? Lucas had Struzan make a poster of that iconic image? Fan-frickin-tastic!

  • April 1, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Both lifeless and soulless

    by HamburgerEarmuffs

    at the same time. Not entertaining at all.

  • April 1, 2011, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Yesss, EVERYTHING featuring nuclear explosions is "outdated"

    by D.Vader

  • April 1, 2011, 5:13 p.m. CST

    And if you feel the mushroom cloud shot is "unnecessary"

    by D.Vader

    You obviously don't get it.

  • April 1, 2011, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Didn't enjoy KOTCS, but I can accept the fridge scene,

    by Dennis_Moore

    but I can accept the fridge scene, because, as demonstrated by the other movies, Indy has perfect luck surviving the unsurvivable (such as the landing on river with the raft upright) as do most pulp heroes. It's his hero's boon from the universe. His curse or geas is to often run into Nazis or snakes.

  • April 1, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST

    d. vader

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I read somewhere that Lucas wanted it as the teaser poster so had Struzan do a rough version. They then decided to save that image to be revealed in the actual movie but Lucas liked it so much he got Struzan to do a fully finished version just for him. Pretty cool.

  • April 1, 2011, 5:16 p.m. CST

    SING IT LOUD acquanetta

    by Mike Lukash

    You understood the 1950'ness of it. As a film buff you get it. Haters will hate. That's fine. But you can't be a Indy fan if you don't least LIKE Crystal Skull. Now myself, Temple of Doom is the Indy Movie I like the least...that don't mean I don't like it as an indy film...just one I don't like in comparison to other indy films.

  • April 1, 2011, 5:16 p.m. CST

    RE: "Both lifeless and soulless"

    by WriteForTheEdit

    It really did feel that way, didn't it? "Skull" just doesn't have that undefinable "magic" that the other three, even Doom, have.

  • April 1, 2011, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Very cool indeed.

    by D.Vader

    I'm glad they kept it a secret. That was a very enjoyable surprise.

  • April 1, 2011, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Crystall Skull is for IJ what Phantom Menace was for SW

    by KilliK

    Although this time the blame is equally on both Luca$ and SS

  • April 1, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST

    "the mushroom cloud is iconic as all hell."

    by KilliK

    I agree.that scene alone is the quintessential defination of the 50s pulp.

  • First of all the nitpicking that goes on over what these guys write in the fucking behind the scenes picture of the day article is a joke. Having said that i love the opening of this movie. The Elvis Prestly music was a nice change and with the "Lead Lined Fridge" the scene works just fine. I think that the CGI argument is interesting because Spielberg said he would use minimal CGI but while watching the special features the producers and film makers in a round about way said that the CGI didn't have to be perfect and if it didn't look real it would look more like the old films. Here's my problem. Every single Indiana Jones film was a top of the line production in it's day. All three had ground breaking VFX at the time and were all nominated for Oscars. Why not take that approach with Indy 4? I don't see why using the tools of today would be a problem but instead they decided to not give it 100%. I think the motor cycle chase made a mistake by not letting "Shake Rattle and Roll" play through out the scene instead they fade out and play a generic John Williams action cue(and I love Williams but letting the '50s song play would have added so much energy to the scene). I do love some of the pratical sets that Guy Hendrix and his team built. When they hold the Skull up at the end to open that red door way which leads to the chamber, well when that door opens it's a great practical effect. I know these are just some non coherent ramblings but here's my biggest problem with Indy 4. its the cinematography. It's way too glossy and compared to Douglas Slocombes work in the first 3 it doesn't even come close in quality. The look of the first 3 are part of it's genius but Indy 4 looks to clean and overly color corrected. Janusz Kaminski (spelling?) is one of the best in the business but his work here is not suited to the Indiana Jones aesthetic I've come to love. Roger Deakins would have been a PERFECT DP for Indiana Jones just look at his work in No Country For Old Men. That would have been a perfect palette for this one. Karen Allens acting is chringe worthy during her "Damn good, really good life" dialogue which is a shame for Marion( aka the greatest Indy gal of them all). This movie could have used one more action beat to bring up the pace a little bit just like Last Crusade when the Berg himself added the motor cycle chase after production had wrapped, paid for out of his own pocket(probably reimbursed by paramount after grossing a certain amount but who knows). My apologies for the mess that is this post but doing this on a cell phone is a pain in the ass

  • April 1, 2011, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Loved Crystal Skull

    by Tracer

    Nuff Said bought it on BLu Ray the day it came out loved it

  • April 1, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST


    by seasider

    Let me get this straight you're calling the raft scene "believable" because they did it on Mythbusters? Obviously we all have our own tolerance levels on what is or isn't an acceptable in a movie but in my opinion the fridge sequence was no less believable than any of the other crazy action sequences in the previous films. If I had to list the scenes that I had problems with in Crystal Skull, the fridge scene would be close to the bottom on my list.

  • April 1, 2011, 5:41 p.m. CST

    The problem with IJ4 is not its theme.the problem is that

    by KilliK

    it is NOT a well-crafted movie like the three previous ones.the whole trilogy despite its flaws it did have decent plots,interesting characters,more authentic scenery,better action, not forced humor and more thrilling moments. IJ4 is what Terminator3 was for its franchise: soulless self-parodies of their former glorious selves made solely for profit and to appease the fans. The funny thing is that IJ3 was exactly that before Skull came but it did have it's moments with the IndySr/IndyJr the most obvious one,but Skull lacks even those.

  • April 1, 2011, 5:57 p.m. CST

    The one thing I loved in this

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    was the headfuck of seeing Indy - who we'd only really seen running around ancient ruins or dodgy Chinese dens - suddenly in the 50s domestic vibe when he is running around the fake town. Something about that was awesome.<P> A letdown was hearing about all the cool shit that Indy had been up to during the war. I know that there were no Indiana films for twenty years but it is a pisser that we have everything up to 1939 then we miss all the actual World War stuff. Hearing them talk about it as backstory seems like the biggest waste.

  • April 1, 2011, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Indy 4 was the most disappointing movie I have ever seen

    by Dandelo_Bateman

    I will never forget the disgust I felt walking out of that theater

  • Geriatric one wanted that even though most are too simple minded to realize it.

  • April 1, 2011, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Halfbreedqueen summed it up

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    I've been trying to put my finger on what was wrong for ages, and you've done it.<P> Showing the fridge flying through the air ruins it, all for the sake of a 'cool' cgi shot. Imagine if the dinghy fall in Temple had been done with a close-up cgi heavy POV of the fall all the way down. We'd still be calling bullshit on it today. The fact that it was too inexpensive to do (cause you know they'd jump on the chance if they thought they could have pulled it off) actually works in its favour.

  • April 1, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST

    The mushroom cloud shot is the ONLY shot worthy of Indy

    by alienindisguise

    because it is badass. Everything else is just mediocre.

  • April 1, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST

    As a 30-year Indy fanatic...

    by Zombiana_Jones

    ...I actually thought the fridge scene was pretty damn cool. The movie all in all I enjoyed, but it definitely had its cringe-worthy moments....For a long time it stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Crusade for me as the weakest in the series, but Crusade has since moved up in the ranks just a hair due to intrinsic sentimental value. The one thing (out of many) that I just couldn't quite get past: Mutt as 'Tarzan-boy'. That kicked me right out of the story when I saw it, and it took a couple of minutes to snap back in... They definitely needed to scale back the CGI, as well as the more slapstick moments. The whole slapstick thing is part of what dragged Crusade down. Still, I was mightily entertained....Bring on 'Indy 5', already..... So quit hating an' shut up already. It's been years now---Move on.

  • April 1, 2011, 6:13 p.m. CST

    as for plot holes

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    I always loved Indy saying in Raiders that he didn't believe in all the mystical mumbo jumbo, yet having already encountered everything in TOD, i'd have thought he would have reconsidered...

  • April 1, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed the movie but what pisses me off

    by Megamonki

    is that almost every review site gave the film an average to positive review, including this one (Harry cried, for cripes sake!) and then when the fanboy rage grew and "nuke the fridge" (love the scene btw) became popular, everyone did a turn around and they now love bashing the film like it was the worst movie ever made don't believe me look it up, like rotten tomatoes where it was rated 77% "fresh"

  • April 1, 2011, 6:21 p.m. CST

    still better than Last Crusade

    by sith_rising

    which was essentially a remake of the first film. TOD still rules though.

  • April 1, 2011, 6:26 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    childs, nice post. Yep, next scene after the nuke have Indy with Brody and maybe a few weeks have gone by. Indy's arm in a sling and Brody asks 'You never told me what happened'. Indy simply opens the fridge and takes out a beer... Scene continues.. Those little moments of reality / consequence, just a few seconds on film that help sell the outlandish stuff.

  • April 1, 2011, 6:31 p.m. CST

    I have to agree with a lot of what Childs said above...

    by Stegman84

    Nice post btw. But yeah, KotCS really does seem to be missing a lot of those small, but great, character moments and action beats that add so much flavor to the earlier films. And I agree that hurts the film overall. As does the lack blood and punishment that Indy goes through in the film compared against earlier films where he was shown to suffer a lot more. I still enjoy the film, but much like Last Crusade, it's kind of 'Indy-Lite' to me, and Raiders and Temple to me are more the real deal. Anyway, nice post, brother. Even if you are a damn wordy fucker. Oh, and btw, where were you Childs?

  • April 1, 2011, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Only good scene in the movie.


  • April 1, 2011, 6:51 p.m. CST

    on another topic

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    I am out in the sticks and decided to download Battle Los Angeles.<P> Beware the perils of adding an innocuous 'of' to the search. I am watching the biggest piece of shit since I can't remember.

  • April 1, 2011, 6:52 p.m. CST

    christ, it thinks it has time travel

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

  • April 1, 2011, 6:52 p.m. CST

    The fridge was fine

    by my liege

    The whole opening scene should have been the ending. If you imagine that the movie had ENDED with Indy being dragged to Area 51, fighting Russians and then surviving the nuclear blast people would be creaming their load over that. After a NUCLEAR BOMB there was nowhere else the story could go that was anywhere near as exciting. Plus, we would not have gotten Mutt and a Marion caricature.

  • April 1, 2011, 6:55 p.m. CST

    "still better than Last Crusade"


    Fuck me thats so wrong its untrue .... Seriously, fucking wake up.

  • April 1, 2011, 7:04 p.m. CST

    CRYSTAL SKULL haters are so fucking tiresome

    by Tinky Winky

    The movie had ALL the ingredients of an action adventure film from the 80s, including vintage Spielberg framing/editing, a sparkling score and an old-school, enthusiastic performance by a 65-year-old Ford. But one or two overlong scenes in the middle, and you act like it's a Phantom Menace level atrocity. Have you SEEN War Of The Worlds, Catch Me If You Can, Minority Report? Have you ever read one of David Koepp's craptastic scripts? I'm amazed this movie was executed as skillfully as it was. As for the actors, guess what you whiny cunts, HARRISON FORD IS OLD. HE'S OLD AND HE'LL NEVER BE YOUNGER AGAIN. He got old and Indiana Jones is now grizzled circa 57 years old. People seriously can't find anything entertaining in that? Like maybe he feels those ridiculous punches even more now? KAREN ALLEN IS OLD TOO. She's still having fun but she's part of a bigger team now. BIG FUCKING DEAL. And as for the people whining about Connery and Marcus Brody: PEOPLE GET OLD AND PEOPLE FUCKING DIE. Deal with it. And have some fucking perspective. The last two movies had flat cinematography and characters jumping out planes on life rafts. Who gives a fuck about Darabont and his fridge. He didn't make the movie, and he moved on. Can we officially stop pretending Indy 4 is some universally derided lightning rod now? Because I'm seeing a lot of people who get the movie. Vern is one This guy is another

  • April 1, 2011, 7:13 p.m. CST

    CRYSTAL SKULL haters are so fucking tiresome part 2

    by ZodNotGod

    So Indy movies have rules as to what he can investigate? WHat's wrong with dealing with aliens and 5th dimensions? ALL part of the 50's milieu and what was in pop culture; the greasers, the motorbikes, the diners, the aliens, the cold war paranoia, the atomic bombs and espeically the atomic family- very clever...IT WAS ALL PART OF THE ERA! I like Eike, etc... And Darabont script for the most part was awful. The bi-plane sequence was great and could be used for the next film, but overall it sucked. The film was the second highest grosser of 2008 so someone liked the bitch.

  • April 1, 2011, 7:15 p.m. CST

    "CRYSTAL SKULL haters are so fucking tiresome"


    As are Crystal Skull defenders who just sound like "whiny cunts" ....

  • April 1, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST


    by Yelsaeb

    Finally! A Crystal Skull pic! I've been waiting for this for so long! And a pic from the coolest scene in the movie! I loved the nuking of the fridge! It's just so Indy! I've said it before and I'll gladly say it many times in the future, I love Crystal Skull! Its equally as awesome as the other three!

  • April 1, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST

    ANimated Indy...

    by ZodNotGod

    An animated series in the style and class of Clone Wars would be awesome about those War years he talked about.

  • April 1, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST


    by SchwarzenGollum

    You nailed the problem with the film on the head with your early statement, by acknowledging the problem with the editing elements by showing the actual fridge 'flying' through the air. By NOT showing it would have made it all the more forgiving. It's in the little details....

  • April 1, 2011, 7:34 p.m. CST

    The thing about Indy IV...

    by Amazing Maurice that in amongst all the mess there's actually a really great adventure movie trying to get out. It boggles my mind that they ever let David Koepp write the final script. I think biggest disappointment is that after 20 years of waiting, and all the ideas and all the writers they went through.... this was really the best Lucas and Spielberg could come up with? A few more drafts of the script and it could have been something brilliantly fitting. Mind you, I still LOVE that shot of Indy running accross the crates and swinging down with his whip - pure fucking Indiana Jones moment. And the shot moments later of Indy jumping from his truck into Spalko's jeep is fantastic - no shakey-cam, no fast edits - just set the camera up and shoot. Why the fuck can't people film action scenes like that any more?

  • April 1, 2011, 8:05 p.m. CST

    I celebrate all the Indiana Jones movies. With relish.

    by slone13

    Every single one. Can't wait to show to them all to my daughter Indiana.

  • April 1, 2011, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Great Movie!!!!

    by DavidBanner

    I absolutely love this movie. I get disappointment in the Star Wars prequels. They were good movies. I enjoyed them, but they were not nearly as good as the original classics. But Crystal Skull had what those prequels didn't have:better writing and Harrison Ford. Bring on Indy 5!!!

  • April 1, 2011, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Kasdan for Indy 5 would be awesome

    by slone13

  • April 1, 2011, 8:41 p.m. CST

    None of the Indy movies are as bad the YIJ Chronicles

    by Bloodhound

    Lucas shows an active, adventurous young Indy at the beginning of Last Crusade, the same Indy (apparently) who somehow becomes embroiled in nearly every notable event of the early 20th century, who somehow meets nearly every notable figure of the early 20th century, but whose so-called Chronicles must be just about the most boring, most unedifying account of the early 20th century. And Lucas, not content with diminishing the Missing Years of Indy's youth, by turning them into a bland, name-dropping, actionless, overly-contrived travelogue, then has to reduce the iconic adult Indy character to a cantankerous old curmudgeon, most probably an incontinent has-been who, rightfully, rues all those years in his youth when he was a boring little tit. Still, at least Indy isn't a CGI character, yet...

  • April 1, 2011, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Spalko's Theme and the Villians - Another good thing about KOTCS

    by Lao_Che_Air_Freight

    While I like the scores of the previous films more, KOTCS has some great music. Spalko and the baddies get their own theme music, and while it may not be as iconic as The Imperial March, I enjoy it a lot, from the moment she first gets out of the jeep. I give this film more and more credit for delivering in this area, something we don't get often anymore. Mutt's theme is pretty sweet JW too, as is the jungle chase music and the skull theme. This movie just grows on you more and more I've found, there's really a lot of great stuff if you give it a chance. I'm also surprised that people have said the film doesn't have the head villian plus lead thug dynamic as the others. Spalko and Dovchenko fill that role perfectly, their respective intros are great, you get your standard world dominace speeches and mustache twirling, the two fistfights with Dovchenko, and each baddie goes out in style, the ant's being a great 50's tribute to both Them! and The Naked Jungle. I agree whole heartedly with the Team Indy criticism the film gets, though..that's a common problem with sequels that I wished they could have avoided. Way too many characters running around by the time we get to Akator.

  • April 1, 2011, 8:50 p.m. CST

    RE: Defenders of nuking the fridge

    by Vincent Gecko

    Those that claim surviving a nuclear explosion at ground zero by hiding in a lead lined refrigerator is no more unbelievable than other death defying stunts Indy pulls in the proper trilogy are absolutely wrong. Do you guys know what a nuclear explosion is? It's not C4, a landmine, a grenade, a molotov cocktail, a bazooka, a helicopter crashing into a building, a suicide bomber, dynamite, a letter bomb nand/nor 9/11. It's a force of man that's only been used twice (outside testing circumstances) in all of human history and completely obliterated two cities. Hey, let's make a gag referencing the single (dual) greatest atrocity(ies) that man has ever perpetrated against himself. Arguably, the Holocaust was worse but not a single event. Even still, how about Indy 5 has a scene where Indy's taking a shower somewhere but it turns out to really be a death trap set up by the villain and poisonous gas starts to fill the bathroom. Wouldn't that be in poor taste? How about Indy is on a skyscraper, the Empire State Building was around in the 50's, and the Villains try to crash an airplane into the building to kill Indy, the building starts to collapse but he finds a giant bank safe, hides in that and pops out of that sucker on the ground in the rubble. Does jumping out of an airplane in a raft really compare? Does anything in the Indy trilogy compare even remotely? Crystal Skull is absolutely the most disappointing thing that's ever happened in film, it makes the SW prequels look like the Godfathers. Also to those that claim the sci-fi elements are right at home since there were other mystical elements in the Indy Trilogy - you guys realize that science fiction and fantasy are 2 different things right? You know what'd be rad in LotR - time travel! I mean sure mixing genres can be fun - but nothing in Indiana Jones has ever suggested crazy sci-fi elements. But since the movie did so well and the studios can see that audiences thought the ridiculous plot of this movie was totally on the level and in line with the Indy franchise - maybe next time they'll actually cross the franchise over with ET or Close Encounters. Or maybe they'll find another genre to cross Indiana Jones with - how about Horror!? Indy Vs. Ed Gein - that'd be cool right? Do people out there seriously not see the difference between aliens/alternate dimensions on one side vs. mystical historical artifacts on the other? The Crystal Skulls themselves are believed by some people to be relics of Atlantis or cause ESP or have other supernatural powers - mostly attached to Native American beliefs. What if the Ark of the Covenant was really portrayed as being some kind of advanced super weapon from the future? It might be an interesting concept but isn't it completely wrong for an Indiana Jones movie? This is just surface plot stuff - the movie probably could've been salvaged if there were interesting supporting characters, a layered interesting villain, well defined stakes. I've seen porn parodies that are more deserving of being part their respective canon franchises than Crystal Skullfuckers.

  • April 1, 2011, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Nuke Fridge was perfectly fine.

    by Charlie

    If you think Nuking the fridge sums up the problems with KOTCS than you're not a true indy fan and don't understand what made the originals good. It was perfectly fine and part of an entertaining, good bit of a film. The flaws were, they showed it was an alien right at the start. So there was no mystery about what anything was. Then at the end they explained it all, showing spaceships, cg alien ect. You never got as neat an explanation of the power in the others. They were just powerful artifacts. This they wen't too much into explaining it all. They were more focussed on the MacGuffin than they needed to be. Also most of the action and film was uninspired. They would have been far better to have used Human Crystal Skulls, had some people claiming aliens, some not. Leave it ambiguous, just show there was great power. Marion Driving the car off the cliff into a tree was worse than the Fridge. The Glowing christmas tree lights allowing them to be tracked by the pyschic spy was dumb. Amongst other things. What was worse is Spielberg wanted to shoot as traditionally as possible, which lead to shit VFX in some shots.

  • April 1, 2011, 9:14 p.m. CST


    by Lao_Che_Air_Freight

    "outside of testing circumstances" Which nuketown was....while I did not live during those time, it would seem the culture of the 50's accepted nuke tests with some degree of aplomb, I think we can safely have some of that in our our movies which occur in that time period. No disrepect to your views intended, but when Nuketown comes up in the COD rotation, should we shake our fist at that as well for daring to go there? "nothing in Indiana Jones has ever suggested crazy sci-fi elements" except the ideas and scripts going back decades with Indy themtically conceived as a James Bond type, and a 50's storyline that would reference such elements, which has always paved the way for such an adventure for the character. It's not like the groundwork wasn't well laid. I really don't think it's as big a leap as you and others have suggested. A bridge film in the made in the 90's and set in WWII would have helped the transition a great deal, I admit. Now Sherlock Holmes fighting Nazi's however, that I always found tough to swallow..and I love that character as well.

  • April 1, 2011, 9:14 p.m. CST

    vincent gecko

    by Tinky Winky

    Jeez you got a big pussy. Maybe Spielberg will do a walkie talkie edit of Munich just for you. You can put it on a shelf next to your porn parodies. Jeez you got a big pussy.

  • April 1, 2011, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Indy and Horror

    by howlingmudd

    Gotta be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing Indy 5 veer into horror territory. If anything, it feels like a logical direction to go. After all, Hammer films became pretty popular in the late fifties and the original idea for Indy 2 was a haunted house setting. In fact, every Indy sequel started out pretty far removed from Raiders, so it's surprising how many fans think Indy should always be strictly limited to what has come before. If you've ever read any of the Indy comics, books, or played any of the games, it's even more surprising. Some of those storylines actually saw Indy cross over INTO other dimensions- as opposed to simply running for the nearest exit as in Crystal Skull. Pulp heroes like Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan, Conan, Batman, etc. have been used similarly for decades. Why not Indy- especially when it's still the original creators putting him there? This is a character with numerous pulp influences- most of which were far more outlandish that what was on display in Crystal Skull. It's a shame they didn't make a few sequels back in the 90s or actually go through with some of the crazier ideas that were considered. The thing I find most surreal is hearing fans say "you can't do that!" in an Indiana Jones film. That's just not a concern you would've ran into very often during the eighties. LOL

  • April 1, 2011, 9:43 p.m. CST

    My biggest problem with Skullfuckers

    by Vincent Gecko

    is that there's no discernible story. All the films in the Indy trilogy have events that seem to happen in a particular sequence for a reason and you're along for the ride and you care what happens to the characters. Not with this. It feels like a series of set pieces loosely strung together as part of some kind of fan-made CGI Indiana Jones nostalgia project that lasts OVER TWO HOURS. It's like that famous fake Thundercats trailer except this deserved to have been another full blown Indiana Jones backed by Lucas/Spielberg and that was a creative no-budget endeavor by a single insanely devoted fan. Marion's cliff car drive was worse? I don't see how. People have survived some incredible car crashes but a Nuke at ground zero? Regardless, that happens in the same movie, my point was that nothing in the Indy TRIlogy proper copares. The worst special effects were the parts that were obviously CGI - Giant Killer Ants - Space Warp - Gophers and Monkeys!? The practical effects were way better IMO. I should point out that as much as I hate this movie, this is only in comparison to other Indiana Jones movies. It's definitely better than Transformers, GI Joe, Wolverine, X3, T3, Cloverfield etc...

  • April 1, 2011, 9:59 p.m. CST

    halfbreed queen

    by tritium

    I don't remember the German Sub captain giving a "Dive" command. Furthermore, as someone else pointed out, WWII era diesel subs (both German and American) would always run above water, unless being spotted, or actively engaging a target. The hull design of these vintage subs allowed for much faster speed and efficient operation when operating on the surface. Submerged, they were radically slower, and had to operate on battery power. It wasn't until the development of the "tear-drop" shape hull design of American nuke subs (introduced in the '50s with the U.S.S Albacore) that provided the hydrodynamic efficiency to allow for faster and efficient operation submerged, versus operating on the surface. So, today, it is just the opposite...Modern day subs are much faster submerged then when operating on the surface. As the American fleet is all nuclear powered, they can operate submerged for months at a time, never having to surface during their extended tour. So, the conceit used in the film "Raiders"... that Indy was able to stay on the deck of the sub makes sense, providing that it was trying to reach it's base the fastest means possible. Furthermore, since this was before the start of the WWII (1939), the submarine would not have needed to "dive" for any reason during this particular transit.

  • April 1, 2011, 10:36 p.m. CST


    by howlingmudd

    You make a logical argument, but it's one that actually adds fuel to why that scene has always been considered such a big plot hole. It's true that in real life such a sub probably wouldn't have dived at that time. But it's also true that right after Indy climbs the sub and looks around, the film cuts to a shot of the captain shouting "Tauchen!" amid much activity from the crew.

  • April 1, 2011, 10:39 p.m. CST

    I hate Shia the person

    by Anakin_Piecocker

    but in this when he dips his comb in the coke and when he takes the beer and Indy puts it back I start warming up to him. He's still a deuche, but Indy treats him that way and it makes the movie funnier. "Dance on your own time" and "Come on genius" are hilarious. And stuff like Indy taking on all the weird protector kungfu zombies made him look like a badass, elevated even more so by Shia's making look like a fool, after calling Indy "Old" and "A Teacher".

  • April 1, 2011, 10:52 p.m. CST


    by howlingmudd

    yeah the original scene had Indy tying himself to the periscope. A few stills of it can be found online, with Ford looking pretty miserable out in the water. Another scrapped scene/idea reportedly had Indy learning not to look at (or touch) the Ark from the same guy who translates the medallion for him. Of course, Indy still looks when Belloq initially opens it anyway, so I'm not sure the explanation would've made much difference.

  • April 1, 2011, 11:11 p.m. CST

    part 5 needs a Belloq

    by SantosLHalper

  • April 1, 2011, 11:26 p.m. CST

    That Bulloq in Part 5... Will be a grown up Short Round

    by D.Vader

    Who was left behind to end up getting short-rounded into the Lao Che gang.

  • April 2, 2011, 12:34 a.m. CST


    by DrMorbius

    IN THE FILM they say DIVE DIVE DIVE and they pull down the periscope. Tritum beat me to the explanation as to why they wouldn't dive unless needed. Don't remember hearing the Captain shouting it, been way to long and a little bit fuzzy, time for a rewatch. But if so, that would lead to a continuity error as the sub riding on the surface would not have the periscope in the up position. Also, someone mentioned 30 feet under water. Usually they would only submerge enough so the conning tower would not be seen by a passing vesses, usually around 10 feet or so.

  • April 2, 2011, 2:41 a.m. CST

    I've said it before...

    by bubcus

    ... and I'll say it again. My only frustrations with this film were the CG gophers, the vine swinging monkey scene, and a weak climax. I also didn't like how Mac would betray Indiana Jones over and over and over again. It got repetitive and distracting. Otherwise, I did buy the film and enjoyed every other aspect, inside joke, nuance, and homage. I think they did a great job on it on the most part and I hope we see at least one more Indiana Jones film before Harrison Ford retires.

  • April 2, 2011, 2:55 a.m. CST

    Uh... I think some of you guys are missing the point

    by Vincent Gecko

    or maybe it's my fault for not being clear. Yes, impossible things happen in all the Indy movies. I'm talking about degrees and extent. A person surviving a Nuke in a fridge is far and away the most insanely unbelievable scene in an Indiana Jones movie by a wide margin... so much so that it completely takes a viewer out of the movie. I don't see how anyone can argue against that. It turns Indiana Jones into Looney Toons. And the point isn't the fridge, it's that the scene is indicative of one of the movie's most major faults - lack of stakes and consequences. There's NEVER a real sense of danger, there's never that scene where Indy's bloody as hell and makes an incredible comeback. He might as well have escaped on brick red acme arrow shaped rocket by the end of it. It's stupid that Batman has ice skates in his batsuit in Batman and Robin even though he's always had hidden gadgets in that costume. It's beyond retarded Indiana Jones survives a nuke even though he's survived logically impossible other feats in Indy Trilogy. I get suspension of disbelief, I'm all for it, Hey Mortal Kombat Fatality heart grab. Magic bad guy killing ark - sure. Those other movies had times where when you go back you think "Wait, that doesn't really make that much sense." But Skull had bad shit crazy crap completely take you out of the movie repeatedly pretty much the whole way through.

  • April 2, 2011, 3 a.m. CST

    With all due respect to Vern, he doesn't get it...

    by heks

    And neither do the defenders here, it seems. First of all, both Indy 4 AND Transformers were bad, but as the first live-action Transformers movie, a certain argument could be made for it being sort of enjoyable or entertaining if you divorce it entirely from the original cartoon. It's still dumb, but it's dumb independently, and if you're willing to accept it as a big and dumb but kinda fun mess of cgi confusion, then so be it. Indy 4 doesn't have that luxury. That's not to say that this movie is bad because our expectations were too high or we were blinded by nostalgia. It's simply to say that Indy lives within an established universe. The Indy universe has a look and a feel to it. And while it forcefully bends the rules of believability at times, it doesn't break them within the context of it's own universe, which is one where some historical relics really are imbued with supernatural power. And it needs to be recognized that the hard-to-believe elements of the original trilogy fall into two categories: supernatural events and death-defying feats. People who defend the 'nuke the fridge' scene on the basis that people can't really get their hearts ripped out and go on living are failing to make this distinction. For example, imagine if, in Temple of Doom, instead of having his heart ripped out in a magical Thugee ceremony, that dude had a wooden pole accidentally launched through his chest, ripping out his heart in the process, but went right on breathing. Would that have been OK? Would that have made sense within the Indy universe because in Raiders a bunch of ghosts flew out of the Ark and made some faces melt? Of course not, because the two events are entirely dissimilar in nature and character. In KOTCS, there's nothing supernatural taking place to protect Indy during his fridge-surfing session, except supernatural physics. What some people don't seem to get is that, when it comes to death-defying feats, you can stretch the rules of physics and limits of believability, but you can't entirely break them. People have a natural grasp of that line between what is difficult to believe might happen and what is IMPOSSIBLE to believe might happen. When you cross into the latter, as the fridge scene does, suspension of disbelief becomes nearly impossible. And when that happens - when a film crosses that line and you have no choice but to accept the impossible without any justification (such as supernatural involvement) - then you find yourself in a place where absolutely ANYTHING is possible for ANY reason or for NO reason at all, so there's nothing left to create any tension or investment. The raft scene in ToD, to which the fridge scene is often compared, is not obviously impossible. It is highly unlikely. If you did it a thousand times you'd probably die 999 times, but it's just enough within the realm of possibility that you can believe they might survive under those conditions (relatively slow fall onto a steeply sloped snowy surface, then into water) if all the stars aligned. Suspension of disbelief can get you over that hump. And there's a slight possibility, within the context of the story, that some higher force was involved in getting them to that Indian village in once piece. In KOTCS, there's simply no two ways about it. Indy would be dead. As others have mentioned, even if he survived the heat blast and shockwave, the landing would have turned him into a bloody, mushy bag of pulp. Period. But not only does he survive, he barely has a bruise. And they make an even bigger joke of it by having him fall out to the shocked expression of cgi gophers. This is not an event that is taking place within the established Indy universe. It's a farce. It's a parody. Does the mushroom cloud scene look cool? Sure. And his proximity to the cloud is probably just the kind of thing we might buy because of how cool it looks if it weren't for the absolute insanity of what came right before it. This is all a big problem, but it's only one of many. Another problem is that KOTCS doesn't have the look or feel of the original three. At all. The color palette is all wrong and everything looks too shiny and hazy. The gritty feel of the first three is entirely missing in almost every single frame of KOTCS. This aspect is more important than I think a lot of people realize. Indy 4 marked my first and only foray into the world of fan edits and I've been following some ambitious efforts for the past few years, but one of the things that amazed me the most is how much the movie gains just from color correction alone. Some people have done some really great and detailed color correction on this film and, without any other change, it makes KOTCS seem like it was at least FILMED in the same universe as the others, even though all the other massive problems remain. Kaminski's cinematography, while great on some other films, is a massive thumb in the eye to this film. Even if the movie was otherwise great, this would still be a major problem. Another way in which the feel of KOTCS is totally off is that it takes one of the key aspects of the original films, the globe-trotting and on-location shooting, and mostly throws it in the garbage. Most of the film exteriors are obviously shot on sets or green screen. And they somehow managed to make even real locations look fake. But the list of problems is only getting started. How about the horrible, blatant lack of continuity? For example, when Spalko first meets Indy she introduces herself with full name and rank. In the warehouse, Indy refers to her by name. But later, in the interrogation, Indy asks who she was and then has to describe her appearance to the FBI agents who, shortly thereafter, toss her file onto the table and Indy has to pick it up and check her picture to make sure they got the ID right. This is not a nitpick. This is a glaring failure of continuity. There are also some really noticeable problems with acting in this film. Sometimes it's just really horrible line readings, other times it just feels like you're watching a play instead of a film. Plays are well and good, but they're a different thing from films. Films don't need to play to the cheap seats ... they just use big screens to reach the back rows. Now, Vern is right about one thing: you almost always know what exactly is going on in the action scenes and that's a point that shouldn't be undersold. Unfortunately, the filmmakers themselves undersell the value of that point by packing their action sequences with bad cgi. The problem is not that there are cgi effects. The problem is that they are bad. Saying that they are intentionally bad to mirror 50's movies is nonsense. Or, if true, it is ridiculously ill-conceived. The serials from the 30's didn't have amazing effects either, but the first three films didn't put forth a sub-par effort on special effects to match quality from the 30's. They did some cutting edge stuff. The fact that some of it isn't entirely realistic now is completely beside the point. They were in keeping with the state of the art of their time. The cgi in KOTCS is about a decade behind its time, if not more. And to make matters worse, that bad cgi is put on display, up front and center, as part of horribly lame slapstick sequences like the one where Mutt is repeatedly hit in the balls with cgi plants. And how about the sidekicks? Raiders had two sidekicks, Marion and Sallah, but Indy was mostly only ever with one of them at a time. Sallah filled in while Marion was thought to be dead. Once she got back together with Indy, Sallah was out of the picture. ToD had two, Short Round and Willie, and he was mostly with both of them at the same time, though their joint time on screen during action sequences was highly limited. He was almost always with only one or the other or totally alone during the action. Last Crusade had four, sort of. There was Brody, Elsa, Dad, and Sallah. However, once again, he was mostly only ever with one at a time - especially during action sequences. He started out with Brody, there was a kind of pass-the-baton scene when they met Elsa, then she and Indy left Brody behind when they went into the catacombs and then onto the boat. We see Brody again briefly in the apartment, then he's sent away and Indy and Elsa go to the castle. We get another pass-the-baton scene where Dad and Elsa are in the same room and we find out Elsa's bad, then Indy's off with Dad alone. They stay alone till they meet up with Sallah for a few minutes, then Indy goes off for the tank chase action scene alone, while Dad is off to rescue Brody in a little side story. Sallah's off screen getting horses ... and camels, damn him. Indy said no camels. Can't he count? After the desert action scene, Indy, Dad, Sallah, and Brody briefly reunite to ride to the grail temple, but no sooner do they get inside than they are split up and Indy is sent off on his own for the action scenes of the grail challenges. I went into that detail to make a point, which is that in the original trilogy, even when there are as many as four "sidekicks" in the story, Indy is almost always paired up with only one other person or is on his own during action sequences. Cut now to KOTCS. Again we have four sidekicks in Mac, Mutt, Marion, and Ox. But this time it's totally different. We start with Mac, then he exits and Mutt comes into the picture. But very soon after, Mac re-enters the picture, then just a few minutes later Ox enters the picture, and just a few minutes after that Marion enters the picture, and all of them are along for the entire rest of the ride, including all the action sequences. This gives the movie a very bloated and confused feeling and takes far too much focus off of Indy. It's like Spielberg and Lucas remembered that they had four sidekicks in LC and decided that made it fine for KOTCS too, but forgot the crucial fact that, in LC, the whole bunch are never tagging along for all the action or taking the focus off of Indy at crucial times, which happens almost criminally during the jungle jeep chase in KOTCS. Here's another thing. The problem with the alien storyline is not that it's about aliens. It's that they SHOW the aliens. As I said, roughly, in a review I posted in a talkback soon after the movie's release, the original films had artifacts that served as proxies for unseen powers off-screen. It gave the movies the feel of being more than the sum of their parts and of having some mystery and magic to them. KOTCS, on the other hand, takes the show-them-everything approach. Raiders would have been a very different movie if, at the end, a cgi God came down out of heaven and melted people's faces with lasers from his eyes. The Ark and the ghostly apparitions functioned as a proxy for Godly power. The ghostly things were not the source of power, they were a manifestation of it. Likewise, ToD would have been a different film if a Hindu god appeared to do something magic, like rip out someone's heart in place of Mola Ram. And LC would have been a different film if Jesus walked out of a crack in the wall after Indy chose wisely. But KOTCS does the equivalent of all these things by having the relic not be a proxy for power but the damn severed head of the source of power, who appears with his buddies at the end of the film to toast the bad guy and suck a bunch of people into a different plane of existence with an interdimensional washing machine. Oh, and how about the fact that Indy repeatedly helps the bad guys in their quest, first to find the crate in the warehouse, then helping them figure out the puzzle at the campsite. And he seems downright excited about doing it. And then there's the painful, copycat climax, where KOTCS manages to ape two films, The Mummy and National Treasure, that essentially ape the Indiana Jones series. Mac's death is highly reminiscent of Benny's death in The Mummy, where he gets caught in the trap only because he greedily loaded himself down with stolen treasure. But even worse and far more blatant is the fact that the treasure of historical artifacts Indy finds at Akator is nearly indistinguishable from the treasure room at the end of National Treasure. And what makes it especially pathetic is that the reveal in National Treasure was far more engaging. In KOTCS it just seemed tired and unoriginal ... because it was. Seriously, I could go on and on and on about further problems with the script and with character motivations (like the fact that the only reason Indy has to continue the journey after the stupid, tension-free waterfalls is because the skull 'told him to'), but what you should notice is that, apart from the fridge nuking, I haven't mentioned any of those execrable scenes that are often mentioned, mostly by defenders, as the reason why people like myself find this movie so offensive. Yes, the cgi gopher at the beginning and the Tarzan LaBoeuf scenes are obviously horrid, but they are not the reason this movie is so bad. They are merely symptomatic of the much larger problems with this film. No, I'm sorry, I just cannot accept the claims of defenders that KOTCS has a valid place within the canon or that it is no less believable than the originals, or that those of us who loathe it do so only because of unrealistic, nostalgia-induced expectations. The reason with we loath it is because it is a cinematic abomination and an affront to everything that made the originals special, engaging and unique, which makes it entirely worthy of our loathing.

  • April 2, 2011, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Wowza. I really didn't realize my post was that long

    by heks

    Seriously ... it's really long.

  • April 2, 2011, 3:25 a.m. CST

    I cant dismiss all of KOTC same as the prequels.

    by Keith Maniac

    There are bits in both where i literally got a cold, crawling sensation up the back of my neck, specifically when Jar Jar's being chased by the blue energy balls (Jesus wept), hanging on the Tank etc and the Monkey swinging in KOTCS. Theres no denying this stuff sours you on the rest of the film, but i think that you always come around to the same impass, "i love the earlier movies, but this one is weaker and has some bits that are shite". Thats the point where people decide to either say "it was a total fucking wash out" or "its got some good stuff in it that feels right, but other bits....". I think most people who discuss these things here, even when they cant fucking stand, say KOTCS, have a small deep down doubt and i think that comes from still loving the earlier entries and not being able to connect to the new one. We all pin our colours to the mast on here so to speak, but if a friend whos not particularly a film fan says " those earlier Indy movies are good, but fuck me that last one !" even though its weaker you feel like your doing the dirty on all of them if you agree. I feel like it gets discussed a lot because its hard to have an absolute opinion because of the good and bad, i think its better so show it some good will (based on its pedigree) and enjoy whats good, otherwise it becomes the red headed step child you hope no one ever mentions.

  • April 2, 2011, 3:51 a.m. CST

    heks, long post ...


    Don't worry chief ... Thats one of the best articles I have ever read on this sorry site. You type exactly what I feel about this movie ... Great stuff.

  • April 2, 2011, 4:12 a.m. CST

    <3 halfbreedqueen

    by CT1

    I don't even know if you're right, the command is given in german. But they do have klaxons going off and germans yelling stuff and germans turning big metal wheels and big rumbling Ben Burtt engine sounds.

  • April 2, 2011, 4:32 a.m. CST


    by Vincent Gecko


  • April 2, 2011, 6:10 a.m. CST

    Got a good laugh at heks post

    by kwisatzhaderach


  • April 2, 2011, 7:51 a.m. CST

    "Damn, I thought that was closer"

    by Bobo_Vision

    Corniest line ever. Really, that was embarrassingly bad. Stopping in the middle of an action sequence to deliver a really corny aside to the audience.....cringeworthy.

  • April 2, 2011, 8:19 a.m. CST

    and heks hits the nail on the head

    by Smack_Teddy

  • April 2, 2011, 9:04 a.m. CST


    by LarryTheCableGuy

    you are a friggin loser. It's friday night going into saturday. You're typing about your hatred of and Indiana Jones film? A perfectly fine one at that!

  • April 2, 2011, 9:07 a.m. CST

    and Indy is alone from the second Mac pulls a gun all the way through to

    by LarryTheCableGuy

    the scene where he goes to mexico with Shia

  • April 2, 2011, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Willie Scott = Jar Jar Binks..

    by darthwaz1

    She's verbatim the same annoying character..

  • April 2, 2011, 9:36 a.m. CST


    by Smack_Teddy

    i hear more love for the originals coming through, you fucking simpleton loser

  • April 2, 2011, 9:55 a.m. CST

    well I liked it. and it was DIFFERENT from the others.

    by LarryTheCableGuy

    I'm not gonna wet my pants. I'd tell u just not to watch it like I do with films I don't like but you obviously are attracted to pain and dissapointment.

  • April 2, 2011, 10:01 a.m. CST


    by elsewhere

    all month long io9 is has been hosting a poll for the "Best Science Fiction films of all time" and it's down to Empire Strikes Back vs whichever wins between Serenity and Blade Runner. Serenity is currently winning and has been for the last several weeks against classics like Back to the Future and Terminator. I plea to you Blade Runner fans to get your ass over there and vote for Blade Runner! The Browncoats need to be taken down!

  • April 2, 2011, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Pay attention

    by m00kiedood

    I took my family to see this, including my 10 yr old son who is the world's biggest Indy fan, and who was pumped to actually, finally be seeing a big screen NEW Indy film. We were all disappointed, and my son was actually furious with Lucas and Spielberg for screwing this up. However... The fridge scene worked within the reality established in the Indy universe. The town was not ground zero, though it was close. The bomb was detonated further up the valley -- You can see how far away it is in the establishing shot. Close enough yes. There is no way that anyone could survive the physics of that, but there is also no way that the water tower in TOD could have held nearly enough water to keep racing through miles of football wide caverns and come crashing out of the mountain. You really felt afraid for Indy's life in the other movies? Like when it looks like he went over the cliff in the tank in Crusade, or when he almost has his heart pulled out on the bridge? I never feel worried about Indy coming out of it alive. Particularly when he's fending off a cheesy heart grab attack in a PREQUEL to a movie where you know he's alive. And the fact is that there were many, many above ground nuclear tests on U.S. soil in the 50's. There have been far more than two, and they included tests where the would detonate a nuke, watch if destroy a fake town in the blast zone from a distance, and then send a bunch of soldiers marching towards the mushroom cloud after the initial shockave passed over the ditches they dug themselves in. You see how far away that mushroom cloud is from Indy in that scene? That's ground zero. You really think Indy got blasted a mile or two away in that explosion, or that he was maybe a way from ground zero to start with? You want to know what took me out of this and other Indy movies? Driving the car onto the tree. Swinging from vines. The 1200 year old Knight. The spaceship. The 700 trillion gallon water tank in TOD. The visible metal cable on the roap bridge. Marion clutching the wheel and laughing on the side of the river. The on again off again magnetic pull of the skull. Indy not putting two and two together on Mutt's mom. It wasn't the fridge scene. It works as well for me as the raft scene, the truck chase scene, the escape from the Nazi fortess / fireplace scene, and outrunning the stone ball, and escaping the snakes. Rediculously awesome escapes that fit into the Indy universe laws of physics.

  • April 2, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST


    by heks

    Yeah, it was different from the others. The problem was that it was different in all the wrong ways.

  • April 2, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    If you've never seen it, check out Trinity and Beyond

    by v3d

    Visual Effects artist Peter Kuran found and restored real nuclear test footage. Beautiful, horrifying and awesome.

  • April 2, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    This movie is 'Lawrence of Arabia' next to JJ's Shaky Trek

    by Fortunesfool

  • April 2, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Fridge scene is great

    by Nachokoolaid

    After leaving the theater, I remember thinking that the lead lined fridge scene was pretty clever by Indy, leading to that icinic mushroom cloud shot, making it my favorite of the film. <p> Plus, it didn't have Shia in it, so that also made it one of my favorites. He should not have been in this film.

  • April 2, 2011, 1:37 p.m. CST


    by eck_iii

    Raiders is a great B Movie, second tier Spielberg. Temple's darkness is it's salvation. Except for the addition of Connery, Crusade is pretty bad. Crystal Skull is mostly lame.

  • April 2, 2011, 2:31 p.m. CST


    by heks

    Hey ricarleite3, You added: 1- The relic search is backwards. They are not searching for it. They have it, and for some WEIRD reason, want to put it BACK. You HAVE the skull. What happened to "it belongs in a museum"? Me: Yeah, that's another thing I was going to mention. And it's not JUST that they already have the relic early on (the ark is found about half-way through Raiders) but that they have the relic early AND both Indy and the bad guys are trying to get it to the very same place. At least in Raiders, Indy is trying to get it away from the Nazis and to a different place. That turns the KOTCS story into a bit of a race, but it's a race devoid of any tension (thanks in large part to the nuked fridge) or any real sense of what is to be won or lost by winning the race, because we're given no reason to think Spalko will have any success with controlling the crystal skulls even if she gets there first (see the campfire interrogation scene in the tent). 2- Gratutious and stupid Ark teasing. Me: Yup, it might have been better if Indy somehow saw it. MAYBE. But then, maybe not. 3- TOTAL lack of tension on the action pieces. Indy action pieces are all about TWO dangers at the same time. Fighting a sworded man on a moving press. Fighting a man while a plane spins around with a deadly propeller around. Figthing while a boat is close to a ship propeller. There is NONE of this on KOTCS. They could pull this one off with the ants scene (fighting a russian and trying to keep the ants away with the skull). A 10 year old could do a better writting and directnig on that scene. Me: You're absolutely right. This is actually something I addressed in my earlier review on the site that I referenced in the long post above. As I mentioned then, it seemed ludicrous of them to have blown up that huge tree-clearing monstrosity at the start of the jeep chase, because it would have been a perfect element to use in the fight between Indy and Dovchenko. Alternatively, the fight amidst the ants could have been tense, with them moving around the scene and narrowly avoiding falling into them, but instead they used the damn skull to keep the ants at bay and sucked all the tension out of the fight ... even though I think the fight is still one of the times we come closest to the feel of the original trilogy. 4- Indy asking Ox to search for help. It is so obvious he will find a russian, it RUINS the joke. RUINS. He should find one russian, and Indy punches him and says "not him!" or something. Spielberg KNEW how to do these gags. He is DEAD. Me: Again, you're right. The problem is that the ruined joke is only one of the lesser problems with the scene. The whole sequence is a monstrosity of bad writing, bad acting and an OBVIOUS set where we should be dealing with some kind of exterior location. 5- Not ONCE we fear for Indy's life. Me: Yup, and once again, I come back to the nuked fridge. After Indy survives that, you KNOW that he's not in any danger, and so even something like the waterfall (which would have been much better as one big waterfall instead of three) holds absolutely no threat whatsoever. Take care

  • April 2, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Right back at ya, Shortcake!

    by ZodNotGod

    "As are Crystal Skull defenders who just sound like "whiny cunts" .... " The haters of anything are far worse rubbery cunts. No one likes an unhappy fuckhole who can't find joy in anything. Nitpicky twats who get their tits in a twist over minutia and trivial shit most people don't care about. FAR WORSE.

  • April 2, 2011, 3:47 p.m. CST

    by ZodNotGod

    If anyone thought Indy was going to die they are slightly retarded. It's a dumb thought to have when its not even going to happen so to foist that onto the movie is a bit unfair. The flick got more right than wrong and is a masterpiece compared to the competition. Seriously, is anyone going to remember "Iron Man 2" in 30 years? NO WAY. The incessant and usually unfair nitpicking, bitching, if-only-they-had-done-this..., over-analying, cheap shots has grown tiresome having been exposed to it for over a decade now. I would hate to meet any of these people in real life as I'd probably end up with my fist in their mouths for being negative and pretentious douchers.

  • Do your research -- in a USATODAY article in the week before KOTCS was released, the two filmmakers warned us to lower our expectations about "Skull". And for good reason, it turns out. I think they knew they had a cinematic misfire on their hands. I said it before and I'll say it again: the only thing separating KOTCS from an Andy Sidaris film is that Sidaris' films have Playboy Playmates in them and "Skull" does not.

  • April 2, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST

    hiding in a lead fridge was one of the more believable parts

    by FleshMachine

    it might actually save you...the fridge thing was not the reason this film was so bad.

  • April 2, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST

    the film was bad becasue it was a cartoon..the fridge was fine

    by FleshMachine

    it had a heavy handedness of style that the first 3 did not least not to this extent.

  • April 2, 2011, 4:37 p.m. CST

    it all felt like it was shot on fake sets and blue screens.

    by FleshMachine

    the other films had a great sense of location.

  • April 2, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST

    it felt like the film was winking at you...not good

    by FleshMachine

    too self aware....not taken seriously at all.

  • April 2, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    watch Raiders..then watch Skull...epic drop in quality.

    by FleshMachine

    sad. like star wars and phantom menace.

  • April 2, 2011, 5:18 p.m. CST

    The problem with "Nuke the fridge"

    by Dreamfasting

    What really struck me (and struck me hard as I was first watching that scene) is that our culture has this image of a nuclear explosion being the absolute game over symbol, so much so that we reflexively refuse to entertain any possibility of the hero surviving a blast, even a small nuke at a great distance.<BR><BR> Whatever the flaws the film I still feel that for me, that one shot of Indy cresting the hill against the background of a rising mushroom cloud was worth the entire price of admission.

  • April 2, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST


    by heks

    As I mentioned earlier, the problem with the nuke scene is not necessarily with the nuke itself. Don't get me wrong, in reality, I don't think there's any possibility that anyone would survive that blast in a lead-lined fridge - I mean, look at what it did to every other thing in that town ... it was all pretty much vaporized, and I didn't see a dozen other lead-lined fridges flying through the air, even though it's highly unlikely that Indy happened to be in the only house that happened to have a lead-lined fridge. But what really murdered that scene and made it ABSOLUTELY impossible to buy on ANY level was the way the fridge hit the ground and bounced around and then had Indy fall out unscathed. Again, he would have been a mushy, bloody bag of bone jam. But then, what the hell else could you do? That fridge had to be FAR away from the town when he came out of it otherwise you'd immediately know that the second he opened the door he'd get a lethal dose of radiation. And a fridge flying that fast through the air would land hard and bounce around like it did, which would, without question, kill a person inside. What this tells us is that the nuked fridge idea was ill-conceived to begin with, because there's no way to do that gag where, in the end, you can possibly believe there's even the slightest chance that he'd survive.

  • April 2, 2011, 6:35 p.m. CST


    by heks

    Can you elaborate on that? I'm trying to figure out how that is so, but it doesn't seem true at all.

  • April 2, 2011, 6:55 p.m. CST

    why the fridge nuking didn't work


    the general public has become much more knowledgeable and thus much more jaded. we know the destructive ability of a nuclear blast. so the audience's ability to suspend disbelief is already low. so for Indy to survive a nuclear explosion by hiding in a lead-lined refrigerator is so astronomically unlikely, and such a situation is hard for the audience to believe. i agree with the previous poster that stated that if the fridge nuking had occured during the film's climax, then the audience would've had an easier time believing it because it's such a huge miraculous moment in the film that should have been built up to. but to introduce it at the end of the film's first action sequence devalues the meaning and weight behind it. they could have thrown any obstacle at Indy after that point and it would have felt weak in comparison. and yes, i get the fridge nuking was a BTTF reference. but there's a reason it wasn't done in BTTF - because it sucked and was written out of the script.

  • April 2, 2011, 8:32 p.m. CST


    by Arteska

    All I see is a rather overwrought complaint that the movie wasn't a complete retread of Raiders. There are things I don't particularly like in KOTCS but the hate-meme for it is mostly internet fart vapors still lingering from prequel bashing. The only thing obviously different in its basic construction are some of the tools used in its making and each one of these flicks, at its release, represented the latest and oldest of them in the filmmaker toolbox. Most bashers would be astonished how much model and physical production design went into this show but they focus on CGI gophers and wet their pants in a manner that suggests they prefer the Caddyshack gopher instead because it represents something "more real" in their minds or something. A certain stripe of fan out there just doesn't want Indy to age and that's fine but if you think any other filmmakers or studios out there would be as honest about trying to actually move things forward while also going back to the well you're delusional. Vern is not wrong. Not a little. Not at all.

  • April 2, 2011, 9:19 p.m. CST

    the part of the movie that felt most like an Indy movie

    by m00kiedood

    Was in the graveyard scene when Indy popped up, put his mouth on the blowgun, and blew the poisonous dart into the bad guy's throat before he could do it. Awesome. Balls of steel. Second closest was when Indy told Marion that all the girls after her had the same problem -- they weren't you, honey. Third was when he took his hat back from Mutt. Fourth was the fridge escape. Fifth was Jones giving collegial advice while skidding the motorcycle through the library. Sixth was starting the fight in the malt shop ("hit Joe College"). That was about the best of it. The rest of it did a great job of undoing the good bits. Still and all, and I honestly believe this, adequate Indy is better than no Indy at all.

  • *ducks for cover* *not from zodnotgod though he/she sounds like a baby mama*

  • April 2, 2011, 10:17 p.m. CST

    re: "time will be kinder to Iron Man 2 than Indy 4"

    by ATrue

    Time? Uh, welcome to the real? Already there, friend.

  • April 3, 2011, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Yep and we'll be there in the future too

    by Smack_Teddy

  • April 3, 2011, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Japanese woman in a recent article said when she

    by Dennis_Moore

    was a little girl during the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki someone had thrown a blanket over her, which protected her from the blast (can't recall the distance mentioned). People survived, but of course, many developed cancer later. Most likely being flung in the fridge would've smashed him, as many have mentioned, but, like I said, Indy has supernatural luck. People have survived greater falls from high in the sky, in reality.

  • April 3, 2011, 10:55 a.m. CST

    That stupid fridge

    by v3d

    First off, very few refrigerators where lead lined, and the ones that were would not offer enough protection from the amount of radiation in that blast. A test site would have used what is in typical American homes, not a rare top of the line model. But even if it would protect you from the radiation, you would die from the impact. Maybe the Mythbusters will put impact sensors on their crash test dummy Buster and subject him to the equal amount of impact.

  • April 3, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    It would have been better...

    by robin31684

  • April 3, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST

    it would have been better...

    by robin31684

    if he were eating a sandwich in the fridge when he popped the door open. check out the promo site for the film I'm making, "Whitehead". Support the arts!

  • April 3, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Indy 4

    by Sprinky

    I'm not a fan of Indy 4 and never will be. Whether or not it was from a script from Darabont....we know what we got that was shit and what we read wasn't also something we all could get behind. Bottom line: They should've done an different Indy movie or didn't bother at all.

  • April 3, 2011, 1:39 p.m. CST


    by redkamel

    I have seen that word be used twice now. Pray tell, what is iconic about a swashbuckling jungle and desert adventurer, pursuer of the rare and occult, observing a mushroom cloud? The two are completely unrelated. The a-bomb doesnt even have anything to do with the plot. Indiana jones trying to grab the fertility idol is iconic. Running from the boulder is iconic. Bazooka aimed at nazis with the Ark, or perring to observe a human sacrifice, or looking at the map to the grail....all iconic. Indiana Jones and the a bomb is not iconic. Of anything.

  • April 3, 2011, 10:30 p.m. CST

    "if he were eating a sandwich in the fridge"

    by DrPepperPHD

    Bwahaha. Well played robin31684. I myself was hoping when he told Marion to take the wheel and climbed into the back of the truck that he would have returned with a case of beer.

  • April 4, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    You know, I've always had the thought...

    by Lobanhaki2

    ...that folks who want to go through this much sturm und drang over movies, debating stuff, are just really overdoing it. First, nobody can win these arguments. To put it plainly, this is one of the most subjective subjects there is. There can be consensus on the level of quality of the film, but it's never subjective, and not permanent by any means. Second, sometimes the violation of realism is part of the fun. Nobody could tell me that anybody would realistically construct minecart track like they did in Temple of Doom, or that fall out of the plane in the raft. But you know what? It's pulp fiction, literally! I mean, how many of the same people who complain about the nuking of a fridge smile in glee at the antics in the Grindhouse and Kill Bill Films. Sometimes we just give the laws of physics and causality the middle finger and just enjoy the movie. Third, at the end of the day, it's not real anyways. This is my degree field, so I've learned a hell of a lot about how "realistic" film actually works. If you look at Mythbusters, you'd also learn how much of the stuff that's supposed to be real in movies, which looks realistic, isn't real at all. At the end of the day, we are debating appearances and semblances of reality. This isn't like with history or science, where there's some kind of reality behind it to approximate. Movies are like dreams, and they work like dreams. Personally, I prefer to dream untroubled when I watch a movie. If it just jumps out to me, and I can't help but notice, well then I have no choice but to consider what I watch a piece of crap. Otherwise? I just enjoy myself, and remember that my opinion will just be mind. I don't need to care. I enjoyed Indy 4. I enjoyed the fridge flying, the chases and the fights. I wasn't going to watch that film to get masterpiece theatre Oscar bait performances. I had a good time watching it. If you didn't, I'm sorry. But if it's that much of a problem, just forget the film. If it isn't worthy of your attention, move on. I have listened to folks decry the declining state of movies for decades now, trying to prosecute and pin the blame on different directors and producers, and what have you, and really it's gotten old to me. If you don't like how movies are now, and you want to do something better, do what the folks at Cahiers Du Cinema did in France, in the 1950s: go out there and make your own movies. Write the movies you'd like to see, and figure out how to make them. Find your actors, find your technicians, create the American New Wave. Quit cursing the darkness, start kindling a light.