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Nordling's SOURCE CODE Review!

Published at: March 31, 2011, 10:21 p.m. CST by Nordling

Nordling here.

Colton Stevens (Jake Gyllenhaal) wakes up abruptly, sitting on a train on the way to Chicago, across from Christine (Michelle Monaghan), a woman who seems to know him but who Colton has never met before.  Colton doesn't understand how he got on the train - he was undergoing a mission in Afghanistan, how could he be on this train?  He goes into the bathroom and gets a shock - the face he sees in the mirror is not his own.  He notices things around him - someone spills coffee on his shoe, a man gets off but accidentally drops his wallet, various conversations from the passengers around him, and then suddenly and without warning, the train explodes and he is instantly killed in the blast.

Colton Stevens wakes up abruptly, sitting in what looks to be an old space capsule, across from a monitor with Colleen Goodwin (Vera Farmiga) onscreen, a woman who seems to know him but who Colton has never met before.  She asks him what he saw on the train, if he saw who blew it up.  Time is of the essence - whoever blew up the train is going to explode a dirty bomb in downtown Chicago, potentially killing millions.  Through the technology of the Source Code, built by Dr. Rutledge (Jeffrey Wright), Colton is able to go into the last eight minutes of the train ride because he is reliving the final moments of a passenger who died in the explosion.  Colton's mission is to find out who destroyed the train in those eight minutes, but as Colton keeps experiencing and re-experiencing those moments, he decides that he could possibly change the events he's witnessing.  All the while, Colton comes closer to the truth of what the Source Code is, what his real fate could be, and how he could save Christine's life, who he has grown to care about.

Duncan Jones' first film was MOON, and it instantly branded him as Someone To Watch.  And while I wouldn't claim that SOURCE CODE, his second film, lives up to the greatness of MOON, it's a solid film regardless - a thoughtful science fiction film during a time when studios aren't routinely making them unless there's a number after the title.  It has big ideas, an emotional thread that runs throughout the film, and some quite good acting from Gyllenhaal, who knows how to bring the empathy in his performance.  It's to his credit the the film works as well as it does - as the audience surrogate through the film, Gyllenhaal does a great job of putting his emotion in the performance as he goes deeper into what is happening to him.  Monaghan does well playing Christine, as she follows Colton through each eight minute iteration, and while the film seems reminiscient of GROUNDHOG DAY as Colton learns more about the people and the events on the train, it never loses focus and manages to keep its own voice without feeling like a ripoff of that classic film.  Ben Ripley's script is a little derivative, and some scenes it's unclear what is happening because the science is so wonky.  But he gets the people right, and that's the most important thing in a film like this.

Vera Farmiga is instrumental in being Stevens' guide through his mission, but as cracks appear in her facade, we wonder what exactly is happening to Colton.  Farmiga is terrific as the conflicted Goodwin.  I'd say the only bad performance is, unfortunately, Jeffrey Wright's Rutledge, who is basically a caricature of every military scientist ever put on screen.  The film seems to gloss over the potential ideas of alternate universes and realities, and it rushes through the "science", probably because the screenwriter didn't completely understand them.  This isn't "hard" sci-fi.  It's more interested in the people than the mechanics.

It sounds like a disservice to say that SOURCE CODE is slickly, efficiently directed by Jones, considering how good MOON was.  But Jones has made a film that fits perfectly in a studio roster.  As MOON was fiercely independent, SOURCE CODE feels very much like a studio film.  But Jones has injected those same themes of humanity and identity that we saw in MOON; as Colton struggles to understand what is happening to him, there's correlations to what Sam Rockwell was experiencing in MOON - instead of corporate masters manipulating him, it's the military.  Duncan Jones seems to be on the thematic path of finding the core of what makes us us, even in fantastic realms and situations.  We should celebrate filmmakers like Jones, or Neill Blomkamp, or Gareth Edwards - directors who struggle to get their visions and ideas on screen.  The last thing I want Duncan Jones to do at this point is another remake/reboot/pre-se-requel.  Although SOURCE CODE isn't as great as MOON, it's still pretty damn good, and worth your time this weekend.

Nordling, out.

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  • March 31, 2011, 10:23 p.m. CST

    YAWN

    by DeadBeat_Dads_Are_Super_Man

  • March 31, 2011, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Looking forward to it

    by NathanGrey

    Cheap fun.

  • March 31, 2011, 10:31 p.m. CST

    I don't get this movie.

    by I Hope You Die

    He's reliving someone's "downloaded" memories? But he can do things differently? I don't get it.

  • March 31, 2011, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Overall Great Reviews On Rotten Tomatoes..

    by FreeBeer

    ..Will Definitely Give This A Watch. May Just Be Another Studio Blockbuster, But No Doubt It's A Quality One. I Believe Jones Directed This So He Could Get The Green Light For "Mute". Damn I Can't Wait For That Movie, The Only Project I've Heard About That Sounds As If It Just Might Be The Next "Blade Runner".

  • March 31, 2011, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Kind of weird how this and The 3rd Birthday

    by ur-vile

    are being released at practically the same time. Trying not to spoil the game but it seems to have a similar concept except Aya can jump into various people

  • March 31, 2011, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Evey preview I've seen screams "SHIT!"

    by LargoJr

    But I'll probably see it on DVD just to confirm it to myself.. then I can tell myself 'Told ya SO'.. which always makes me feel superior to the perenial shrubs growing around my house >_<

  • March 31, 2011, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Dunc is still on the protected list, right?

    by kabong

    Jake is on the target list, though, right?

  • March 31, 2011, 10:46 p.m. CST

    freebeer

    by SwollenGoat

    You don't need to capitalize every word in your message. Just sayin'.

  • March 31, 2011, 11 p.m. CST

    *Spoiler*

    by little_lebowski

    Quantum Leap's Scott Bakula has a cameo. No really.

  • Nordling and Beaks had to keep up the illusion that Faraci was still around and writing his particular brand of smarmy, contrarian trollery. So, the two of them, for whom smarmy, contrarian trollery isn't much of a stretch, continued to write under the name of "Devin Faraci" on his blog, Badass Digest, and his Twitter/Facebook accounts. If people knew what the real Devin was up to as he attempted to dash home that fateful day in September, they might begin to ask unfortunate, difficult questions. Still, as time wore on, and the rage over the D.Vader Purges, as they've come to be known in AICN lore, burned, a mysterious talkbacker by the name of Gabriel_Grays_Cumshot_Frenzy began to appear. He began trolling the boards pretty hard, hijacking them with bombastic pronouncements that he had evidence that "Faraci," who had been posting at AICN through the wiles of Nordling and Beaks, indulged in child pornography. Gabriel began to threaten AICN's servers with a massive attack if they did not stop posting "Faraci's" articles and reviews. However, CHOPPAH has now learned, through several deep background sources, that Gabriel Gray was the work of none other than Beaks and Nordling. "It was them all along," one of my sources confided in me. "They wanted to attack the site under Gabriel's name and URL -- and they succeeded for a while, if you remember -- to shake Harry down into streamlining the place, thus making it easier for them to patrol talkbacks and implement their plan to eventually merger with 'Faraci' and his new operation, the laughably, pathetically named Badass Digest." This tactic ended up working, as Harry, whose health continued to deteriorate, had no choice but to "reboot" the site, with a slightly altered design. Unfortunately, and I have yet to confirm whether this is a coincidence or not, many AICN users' handles and passwords were compromised and even stolen. The site was down for about a week while Harry and his crew fought to reforge it. Unfortunately, the damage was done, and Beaks and Nordling's plan crept toward its insidious conclusion. However, a fortuitous thing has happened since then. Beaks and Nordling's plan suffered a blow as Harry, recovering from life-saving surgery, continues to make an unexpectedly strong recovery while assuming more control of his site. Many of the older and better talkbackers have stayed away since late last year, but some have returned to reclaim their old places in the talkback pantheon, including the Legend Who Walks Among Us, D.Vader. Beaks, Nordling and their "Faraci" sock puppet are still plotting, though, waiting in plain sight for their next opportunity. Witness the resurgence of Beaks as a leading voice on AICN and his and Nordling's shameless plugs for "Devin's" blog, particularly on the Batman reboot post or the new Hangover 2 trailer post. "Devin's" post on Batman was infinitely more detailed and compelling than Beaks' AICN post, by the way ... ahem. Witness Nordling's sudden rise to prominence on AICN, as another example. Harry may be getting better, but his power over AICN isn't going to last forever. It's only a matter of time before Beaks and Nordling push him over to the sure-to-fail Famous Monsters for good. And until then, none of us are safe. Not even THE_CHOPPAH. Sweet dreams, my CHOPlings.

  • Part II: The "Devin Faraci" Deception Beaks, Nordling and Faraci's plan took an unexpected turn when Devin, who had been appointed to rile up the talkbackers in the Menke obit talkback under the kobe_ass_tastes handle, ended up slipping on a greasy taco wrapper he dropped in haste as he rushed home to infiltrate the talkback. Devin cracked his head open on a rock, and he became comatose almost immediately. "It was nasty, man," said another of CHOPPAH's sources. "But Beaks and Nordling didn't care. They kept on going with their plan." Faraci's been in a coma ever since, and because he has no close friends outside of Nordling and Beaks, nor any family who cares, no one has bothered to notice that the REAL Devin Faraci has been rotting away in an LA hospital while Nordling and Beaks' newest sock puppet, "Devin Faraci," continues to blog, tweet and post on Facebook. "Look, I know Faraci is somewhat of a cunt, and a hairy, priggish cunt, at that," said a talkbacker who wished to remain anonymous. "But what DEƒUCK® are they thinking with this? First they create that tool kobe, and then this? A sock puppet for an actual living, breathing human? Despicable." Meanwhile, Nordling and Beaks went on to carry out their plan to exploit Sally Menke's death to purge the talkbacks of malcontents once and for all. Instead of waiting on hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes, whom Faraci was scheduled to "drive" that day, they decided to make an example out of your faithful narrator, THE_CHOPPAH, and then they made a talkback saint out of D.Vader, dropping the Banhammer on both of us, among others. "In a way, their plan worked," said a former regular talkbacker who did not want to be identified by name. "Although the backlash might have ended up being too harmful in the long run. "Still, remember the wasteland the site became after Vades and others were purged?" he asked. "Or how william_faulkner was seemingly on every thread heckling anyone who dared stick up for Vades or you, CHOPPAH?" Indeed. CHOPPAH reminds you to also recall how "Devin" just happened to be posting on AICN regularly after betraying Nick Nunziata and CHUD while "he" waited to get "his" new blog up and running. This was none other than Beaks and Nordling carrying out their plan. So, all those talkbackers who suspected that Nordling was just a sock puppet for Devin Faraci? Wrong. It turned out to be the other way around. But Harry was powerless to stop their purges, nor did he want to, since he felt so strongly about Menke's death. Besides, Harry was about to enter the most dire stage of his rapidly declining health. And he didn't even -- couldn't even, really -- know what was happening right under his nose. It was uncertain whether he would recover, and Beaks and Nordling seized their opportunity. ... Coming tomorrow (or possibly tonight!), Part 3: The endgame, or a new beginning?

  • March 31, 2011, 11:03 p.m. CST

    by Key Chung

    Glad to hear the movie's got a solid foundation and isn't just high-concept gimmickry. I think most of my co-workers who watch a lot of movies are ignoring this because it looks like Jake Gyllenhall middling studio fare. They're shocked to hear that David Bowie's son directed it. Then they're shocked to hear that he also directed a movie called Moon, which means they're not watching the kinds of movies!

  • I. The Terrible Trio and "The Kobe Project" CHOPPAH has learned, through sources anonymous and hidden, that Mr. Beaks, Nordling and Devin Faraci have been running a long game, using sock puppets to infiltrate and provoke talkbackers into ban-nable offenses to illustrate how Harry has lost control of his site and to purge any malcontents. It's all to usurp Harry, whom they view as a corpulent geek version of King Lear entering his dotage, and assume control of his site, his resources, and connections to turn AICN into perfectly functioning site with police-state-like talkbacks that would increase their personal wealth by whoring itself out to the studios. "It's obvious that Harry uses the site to get 'pweasants' from his studio buddies," one of my sources tells me. "But AICN still has its shaggy-dog, shambling charms. Beaks, Faraci and Nordling have been conspiring to turn the site into a pure revenue-generating machine." Their legion of sock puppets includes: JettL93, lowes forehead girl, chickengeorge, viggeo_morgenstein, william_faulkner and their oldest, most brilliant creation: hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes, a churlish, thuggish reflection of how the trio views talkbackers. "They called it 'The Kobe Project,' or sometimes 'Project: Kobe,'" another one of my well-placed sources told me. "My God, do they laugh and laugh when they use the kobe_ass_tastes handle, or whatever the fuck it's called." All three of the conspirators share a password to use the kobe name, often at the same time, to infiltrate and rupture talkbacker "groups" such as the Baleback and its eventual offshoot, the Pedalback. Looking back now, using state-of-the-art textual analysis, it is obvious to CHOPPAH that kobe had to be the creation of more than one mind: he is often condescending, snobby, grumpy and despicable all within the space of a few minutes or posts. He is the love-child of a troika of pseudo-intellectual bullies, an avatar of their insidious, arrogant hive mind. But his deranged trio's plotting pushed their conspiracy to even darker territories. Desperate to find the ultimate coup de grace, especially as Harry's health problems grew to a near-critical phase while he was distracted by the Famous Monsters of Filmland website they coerced him into taking over, they despicably seized upon the death of beloved film editor and Quentin Tarantino collaborator, Sally Menke. They would make their power play in Menke's AICN obit. ... Tune in tomorrow for Part 2, "Where's Devin?"

  • March 31, 2011, 11:10 p.m. CST

    "It rushes through the science..."

    by Green

  • March 31, 2011, 11:15 p.m. CST

    "...because the screenwriter probably didn't understand it."

    by Green

    Read a comment by the screenwriter, who said that there was a lot more scientific explanation in the earlier versions of the script which later got cut out during the development process. This happens quite a bit in development, mostly because execs think audiences will be bored by extensive explanations.

  • March 31, 2011, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Opening part of your review

    by TheJudger

    seems to suggest that Colton is seeing what he is because he's tapped into a saved memory from a corpse who died on this train. If that was the case, cool concept, but he wouldn't be able to change things or do things differently he would be a passive viewer to the event his perspective and actions would be the same each and every time. It's like watching a recorded movie. You can scrub through moments but you have no control over the performances with in. If there were more corpse memories to jump into that would be interesting. Taking all of those points of view from various locations with in the train to sort what really happened.

  • March 31, 2011, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Choppah...

    by BiggusDickus

    ...that was funny, but you've got wa-a-ay too much time on your hands, son!

  • March 31, 2011, 11:27 p.m. CST

    biggusdickus: I do have a lot of time on my hands.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    I made my millions years ago, and I've been living off the interest. Now I contract my services out in times of crisis. But now that we've got the lay of the land post-tsunami in Japan, Gadhafi's lieutenants are deserting him, and Coite D'Ivoire's strongman Laurent Gbagbo about to go down, I've had some time to work up this investigative report. I like to think that I'm doing the talkbacker community a service.

  • March 31, 2011, 11:28 p.m. CST

    AND STILL NO BILL MURRAY OBITUARY

    by Spielbergs Furious Racism

    Jesus...

  • March 31, 2011, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Awesome the_choppah

    by Oceanlizard

  • March 31, 2011, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Thank you, oceanlizard. May the truth set us free!

    by THE_CHOPPAH

  • March 31, 2011, 11:36 p.m. CST

    I heard the terrorist is a Tea Partier...

    by GunRunner

    ...no joke.

  • March 31, 2011, 11:39 p.m. CST

    I'm getting kinda depressed about this

    by TheJudger

    because it sounds like there was a larger sandbox to play in. If he was cycling through more than one person POV. If he was tapped into a collective, and he had full access to these peoples inner thoughts, including their voices and mental concerns and plans for that day, their daydreams as well. Of course everything is unchangeable it's a video it's an event that unfolds the same way each time that you can not change. Unless of course your mind accepts it as a real time event and tries to deal with it as something you have a participating factor in. The mind doesn't see everything in front of it, it patches things up like a quilt to see a larger picture. The ear hears everything with in the decibel range it can pick up on but again the mind filters and focuses, but then again a recorded memory wouldn't allow you to divert the audio focus, obviously those action already happened and what the brain took focus on is set in stone. What i think would have been cool would be all that scrubbing he could do to flip between peoples minds and perspectives. Think about the inner contemplations he could ease drop in on. Sounds like it backed away from a concept that would have been much more entertaining to thinking types to make it self marketable. Duncan stay gold man

  • March 31, 2011, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Duncan Jones is the sole reason I want to see this.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

  • March 31, 2011, 11:53 p.m. CST

    You cant compare Moon to a studio film. Why even attempt it?

    by LowDevil

  • April 1, 2011, 12:13 a.m. CST

    love Bowie & Rockwell but Moon bored me

    by strykebr

    so will wait for it to hit Netlfix

  • April 1, 2011, 12:40 a.m. CST

    halfbreedqueen: Time Travel Concepts. Google Michio Kaku

    by Darth_Kong

  • April 1, 2011, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Darth Kong presents: "You Can't Chop This"

    by Darth_Kong

    U can't CHOP this U can't CHOP this U can't CHOP this U can't CHOP this My-my-my-my (U can't CHOP this) TALKBACKs hits me so hard Makes me say,"oh my lord thank you for blessing me With SAUSAGE FINGERS TO TAUNT ASI" It feels good When you know you're sown A superdope homeboy WHO POSTs ON HIS OWN And I'm known as such And this is a POST-uh! U can't CHOP this I told you FANBOY U can't CHOP this Yeah, that's how we POSTin and you know U can't CHOP this Look at my POST, man U can't CHOP this Yo, let me bust the funky POSTs U can't CHOP this Fresh new POSTs and RANTs You got it like that now you know you wanna dance So move out of your seat And get a THAI girl and catch this beat While I'm POSTin Hold on WATCH A LITTLE PORN and let 'em know it's going on CHOP that CHOP that ASI's on a mission so fall on back Let 'em know that JAR JAR ABRAMS is too much And this is a POST They can't CHOP Yo! I told you U can't CHOP this Why you standing there, BRAINDRAIN? U can't CHOP this Yo, sound the bells, COBRA KAI is in the DOJO, sucker U can't CHOP this Give me a STORY or REASON Making 'em sweat That's what I'm giving 'em Now they know You talk about the CHOPPAH, you're MOMMA's A BIG FAT HO That's ON CRACK ALL NIGHT POSTERs are sweating so pass them a wipe Or a REPLY to learn What it is going to take in the THREADs To burn YOUR HEARTs Legit either work hard or you might as well quit That's the word, because you know U can't CHOP this U can't CHOP this CHOP it down Stop. . . CHOPPAH time Go find a HO It is said IF THE BITCH can't groove to this Then you're IMPOTENT or dead So wave your FINGERS in the air Bust a few KEY STROKES, LIKE YOU JUST DON'T CARE This is it for a POSTIN Dance to this as HARRY gets thinner Move slide your rump Just for a minute, let's all BERATE a CHUMP CHUMP CHUMP CHUMP Yeah, U can't CHOP this Look man, U can't CHOP this You better get TYPED Boy 'cause you know ya can't U can't CHOP this LOG IN, START POSTin SUCKA CHOP it down Stop. CHOPPAH time U can't CHOP this U can't CHOP this U can't CHOP this U can't CHOP this CHOP it down Stop. CHOPPAH time Every time you see me The CHOPPAH's just so TYPED I'm dope with the WHOREs And I'm magic on a CRACK PIPE Now why would I ever Stop CHOPPIN this? When others making POSTS That just AREN'T SHIT I've toured around the WEB From CHUD to JOBLO in a DAY It's CHOPPAH, go CHOPPAH, M.C. CHOPPAH, Yo CHOPPAH And the rest can go and PLAY-AYY Can't CHOP this U can't CHOP this U can't CHOP this U can't CHOP this Yeah,U can't CHOP this I told you, U can't CHOP this Too hype, can't CHOP this Yo, we outta here, can't CHOP this

  • April 1, 2011, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Jones should be directing Superman

    by vadakinX

    I think it's a real shame that Jones didn't get the opportunity to take on Superman. I know he felt he didn't have the experience with big budget blockbusters but neither does Snyder, who's biggest success was shot mostly on a green screen stage with everything added in post. Jones' Superman would have had heart, compelling characters that you can actually care about and of course the obligatory epic action sequences expected of Superman as opposed to Snyder and his cardboard cut outs for characters and his cgi Superman. Oh what could have been...maybe he can make The Flash instead.

  • April 1, 2011, 1:13 a.m. CST

    halfbreedqueen

    by Darth_Kong

    Well the way Michio explains the concepts of Time Travel they are not as sexy as anything we've seen in the movies. If you go back in time to see your mother it's not your actual mother. It's your mother in a divergent timeline I think. It's not really her. So the whole concept of going back to the past to change the future is not possible if I understand it correctly. You just create a divergent timeline and the energy involved in time travel is enormous. However his reports on making objects INVISIBLE is truly magical. Fascinating. The physics of that alone would make for a killer sci-fi movie. Why? Because there are some rules that can't be broken but there are ways around things, so it's believable. He is truly wonderful to watch. At least for me. I would also recommend Edward Witten. These guys are full of ideas for believable science fiction stories.

  • April 1, 2011, 1:49 a.m. CST

    The trouble with monkeys is they move too much.

    by The_Dark_Shite

    The whipped cream doesn't stay on their heads long enough to take a photo. <P> It's science.

  • April 1, 2011, 1:56 a.m. CST

    mr ahole ramirez

    by The_Dark_Shite

    That's weird. I'm an Atheist (with a capital A hehe) & to my way of thinking, I'm MORE inclined to believe in alternative realities etc because of that. I can get science & possibilities.

  • April 1, 2011, 1:58 a.m. CST

    I time travel constantly.

    by frank

    Unfortunately it is always forwards at the same rate. Continue to RIP, King Edward the Eighth.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Time travel is boring

    by Dr. Egon Spengler

    It's been done so many times in books/movies, that I can't get excited about it anymore, so I really have no interest in seeing this movie. I don't care how much they dress it up, it's still an overplayed sci-fi device. I also have a hard time suspending disbelief when people start jumping into other people's bodies. Not every fiction story has to be believable, but even the far fetched stuff is hard to swallow sometimes.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:16 a.m. CST

    halfbreedqueen

    by Darth_Kong

    What I know about an Event Horizon. Not including the speed of thought, the speed limit of the universe is the speed of light. Try to follow me. When a single light particle, a photon, reaches the event horizon of a black hole the velocity of light can no longer escape the gravitation pull of the black hole. This is where it gets weird. I don't think you can see an object entering a black hole because the light reflected off that object entering the black hole would never reach your eye. At the event horizon the force of gravity is so strong not even photons of light can escape to reach your eye. So I don't think you would see anything. Maybe the object would just appear to blink out invisible I don't know. The physics of gravity is really weird. And as far as I know the force of gravity inside a black hole crushes all matter into a super dense object if I remember correctly. Where a black hole leads to I have no idea. Just remember Kong ain't that smart.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:19 a.m. CST

    Haven't watched one episode - other than sports, I don't watch a lot of TV

    by Dr. Egon Spengler

  • April 1, 2011, 2:27 a.m. CST

    "there has to be a beginnng at some point, right?"--why, halfbreedqueen?

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...why should our intuitions, evolved to deal with a level of magnitude too big for quantum mechanics to matter much and too small or slow for relativity to be a big deal, have any firm grasp on these matters, especially when we have conflicting intuitions about them? There has to be a beginning; but what came before? God made the world; but who made God? This is what Kant called an antimony, two conflicting intuitions which both seem true till juxtaposed. It's amazing that brains that evolved to deal with an African savannah can even ask these questions, let alone come up with partially adequate answers like QM & relativity. For what it's worth (not much), I favor eternity and no beginnings. As the geologist James Hutton once said, "No vestige of the beginning, no prospect of an end." (And regarding Michio Kaku, what kind of job do you have that you get to interview him, you lucky dog? I'm reading his newest book and enjoying it immensely. Smart fellow; no Singularity for him. Ten times better on the future than a loser like Ray Kurzweil (yeah, I'm trying to start an argument; you Singulatarians make me sick.) :)

  • April 1, 2011, 2:31 a.m. CST

    kisskissbangbang

    by Darth_Kong

    I love listening to Kaku explain String Theory. I hope String Theory can be proved correct in our lifetime. As a side note I just don't think Fermilab can compete with CERN. But I do wonder where and when the next BIGGER particle accelerator will be built. Have you heard anything?

  • April 1, 2011, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Colton Dallas Multipass

    by BandysTract

    its COLTER seriously Nordling. That's all I got post midnight screening (its good)

  • April 1, 2011, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Darth Kong

    by Shubniggorath

    You pretty much nailed it. If I'm not mistaken the super dense object itself is what we consider the black hole.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:53 a.m. CST

    halfbreedqueen

    by Darth_Kong

    You gotta check this guy out. Ingo Swann. I heard he shut down the Quark Detector with his mind at Stanford University I think.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:58 a.m. CST

    COLTER Stevens

    by Nameless1138

    I'm just sayin.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:58 a.m. CST

    shubniggorath

    by Darth_Kong

    Yeah it's crazy. Think of it this way. Remember the gulf oil spill? If I remember correctly one of the big problems was or is when drilling at that depth the water molecules in liquid state are or can't be pushed together much closer. That's how I grasped it. The density of water at the depth they are trying to drill at is absurd. The water molecules are packed very tight due to gravity and sheer volume of mass I guess. I can't imagine how densely packed matter is in a black hole. Just think of how closely packed neutrons are in there. It's hard to comprehend.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Source Code's type of time travel is fairly weird...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...so Jake Gyllenhaal goes back in time, not in his entirety, but only his mind superimposed on someone else's brain? (I don't suppose the past dude's mind comes forward to occupy Lake's present body die to some conservation of something principle, does it?) If the mind is what the brain does (which seems likely to me), I'm not sure how much scientific sense the premise makes, though I'm a good sport and I'll spot the movie its setup if it plays fair with it subsequently. Still, it's a strange setup. Is the guy's mind still there to some degree, fighting or cooperating on some level, or is Jake completely dominant? ( I never really watched Quantum Leap; was this ever an issue on it?) Considering both Donnie Darko and Prince of Persia, Jake has now made more time travel movies than any other actor. Looking forward (or is that backward?) to his role in Primer 2: The Complication. Hey, and what if the guy whose body Jake's mind is occupying is the one who set the bomb? Wouldn't _that_ mess everything up? (Well, he might be able to figure it out by process of elimination...) I enjoyed Moon (though Sam Rockwell moves as if it's still a full Earth gravity pulling on him, the one flaw I can't explain away), so I'll probably give this a shot.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:14 a.m. CST

    darth _kong, as far as I know, CERN is it...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...for the foreseeable future, though I'd love to be wrong. (But then, I'd have gladly shelled out tax money for the Superconducting Supercollider back in the day; obviously, I was in the minority.) I'm hoping we at least get the Higgs particle, which gives the other particles their mass, out of CERN, If we don't, I'm afraid we won't see it in my lifetime. (Of course, I was hoping we'd be on Mars by now, so it's scarcely the only scientific disappointment I'll suffer. On the other hand, we're finding scads of extrasolar planets, so at least one of my dreams came true.) (Don't think I've ever sen this much scientific discussion on AICN; a banner night.)

  • April 1, 2011, 3:15 a.m. CST

    I'm so angry I'm not part of Choppah's conspiracyq

    by BadMrWonka

    considering I've been the #1 AICN apologist for almost 3 years now. I have to fit in there somewhere, yeah? so disheartening...I'm going back to the source code.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:34 a.m. CST

    halfbreedqueen

    by Darth_Kong

    Here's why Ingo sparked my interest. Edward Witten made a comment about Dark Matter or Dark Energy passing through the empty space in an atom. Ingo seemed to think that answers about psy-abilities may be explained someday, not in our lifetime, with Dark Matter or Dark Energy. Do they know what Dark Matter and Dark Energy is? No. Think of it this way. Why would Nasa on the last shuttle mission put a mass spectrometer on the ISS, International Space Station, to detect Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and Anti-Matter galaxies? There's something there it's just not repeatable such as experiments in science that deal with Physical Matter. And if something is not repeatable people immediately lose interest. But we're not talking about Physical Matter. So all of this is a new area of science that doesn't necessarily deal with Physical Matter. Dark Matter and Dark Energy doesn't appear to be Physical Matter. And when Witten makes a comment like that it sparks my interest. Ask yourself the question, why are these guys saying this?

  • April 1, 2011, 3:37 a.m. CST

    kisskissbangbang

    by Darth_Kong

    The Gliese 581 System appears to have a planet in the GOLDILOCKS ZONE. It's like the planet ERIX from the Shadow 19 script right?

  • April 1, 2011, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Halfbreedqueen, I'm afraid the Bermuda Triangle is...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...complete bullshit. Like Mulder, I want to believe, but Lawrence Kusche's The Bermuda Triangle Solved is pretty definitive. Guy was a librarian who went back to the original sources and found that the stories had been repeated from book to book, picking up errors along the way, like a game of Chinese Whispers. As Gertrude Stein said, there's no there there. I feel pretty much the same concerning Ingo Swann. He was part of the government experiments with remote viewing as I recall, which were eventually shut down for lack of actionable results. I love the paranormal stuff as much as anyone, but it's so soaked in fraud and wishful thinking that practically nothing is left standing after you apply normal scientific standards. (If you don't mind a recommendation, read Borderlands, a book by Mike Dash, a historian who worked for the Fortean Times before writing historical nonfiction bestsellers. It's the most comprehensive, openminded but rigorous study of the paranormal I've ever seen. Not much left after he's through, but what there is worth looking at. He has a great award-winning website, too, called A Blast From The Past. (He doesn't mention the Devonshire Devil's Footprints in the book, his only major omission, but there's a paper on it at mikedash.com.)

  • April 1, 2011, 3:45 a.m. CST

    Right, darth_kong...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...Fuck, this is one of the most interesting discussions I've ever seen on this website, but it's 3:42 AM here, and I've got to get some sleep. Reluctantly signing off... (But I'll check in on the morrow, and see if anyone's still around.)

  • April 1, 2011, 3:51 a.m. CST

    Scott Bakula Is In This Movie!!!!!

    by Drsambeckett1984

  • Now they are rebooting 90's TV shows

  • April 1, 2011, 5:47 a.m. CST

    Halfbreedqueen - MOON and SUNSHINE?

    by The StarWolf

    Two movies which made no sense at all. SUNSHINE requires that, at the very least, we ignore everything we know about stellar evolution. That we ignore how ENORMOUS the sun is and believe a bomb, even the size of Manhattan, could possibly affect it. Heck, it wouldn't notice throwing a planet into it. That we ignore how an SF film magically turns into a gothic horror film partway through for no discernible reason. That the bad guy is always filmed with a distorting lens for no discernible reason. . Ditto MOON where the space and energy required to maintain this silly system makes no sense. If they have that technology, just sending someone up from time to time would be cheaper and far simpler. Same problem as with MATRIX where the computer keeping people alive in pods to feed off their bio energy made no sense as it would take more energy to keep them alive than they'd be putting out - 100 watts on average - to begin with. Makes me wish scriptwriters thought things through before committing them to paper and then to film.

  • April 1, 2011, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Duncan Jones is a bluff

    by Ditko

    The only reason he got his first gig was because of daddy. You know it´s true. MOON was overated at best, wasn´t even a fresh take on the subject and quite frankyl, was boring as all hell.

  • April 1, 2011, 8:16 a.m. CST

    cheap fun my ass, nathangrey

    by Wookie_1995

    movie tickets are like $10.50 and the last movie I saw was crap *cough cough* suckerpunch so I think I will be saving my money and netflix this bitch, I did like moon though.

  • April 1, 2011, 8:18 a.m. CST

    There are worse places to be

    by Truxton Spangler

    than stuck in a Groundhog Day with Michelle Monaghan. Even in you turn out to be in a coma, dead, or whatever the twist is.

  • April 1, 2011, 8:42 a.m. CST

    looks kind of bad

    by smudgewhat

    And predictable in that the guy trained for the mission discovers he can't fulfill it b/c he gets personally involved. Which makes him shitty at his job and not plausible. Loved 'Moon' though

  • April 1, 2011, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Why I hated this movie...

    by V'Shael

    It's obvious from the first scene, where he goes to the bathroom and doesn't recognise the face, that he CAN ALTER THE EVENTS. The original passenger in the original pass through the timeline would not have done those things. Therefore Jake can travel back and change things. Once you know that, it makes the rest of the movie kind of shit. Kind of like watching the 6th sense, and in the first few minutes going "Oh fuck no, don't tell me Bruce plays a ghost in this movie...."

  • April 1, 2011, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Is "The_Choppah" investigation an elaborate April Fool's joke?

    by V'Shael

    Because if it is, I don't get it.

  • April 1, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST

    I'm not sure Gareth Edwards struggled to get his vision onscreen...

    by ufoclub1977

    He just made a movie on his own with literally two or three other people, so the only struggle was getting the footage and keeping the actors acting while spending almost no comfort money. He didn't have to argue with anyone like a studio or a producer, did he? He didn't even have a script. Just an outline inspiring hours and hours of off-the-cuff footage to carve something out of.

  • April 1, 2011, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Why do reporters compare things like this with

    by TheManWithTheHat

    Groundhogs Day?!? Do they NOT know that GD was a total rip off of the far more brilliant 12:01 PM? Almost a REMAKE, in fact! Ugh.

  • April 1, 2011, 11:35 a.m. CST

    And, BTW, can't wait to see this!

    by TheManWithTheHat

  • April 1, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    the_choppah

    by AsimovLives

    You alos loved MOON? That and Valhalla rising...this is why i really dig you, brother.

  • April 1, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST

    mr ahole ramirez

    by AsimovLives

    The problem with the emergency of paralel universes due as a consequence of a time travel is that how is the paralel universe created? To just say "it branhced out because you went left instead of right in the past" will not do. to create a new paralel universe, where did the mass and enenrgy that made it came from? To create a paralel universe, would would need to pop up, from nothing, a amount of mass and energy equal to what exists in our universe. It's the ultimate violation of the law of conservation of energy. It just doesn't make sense.

  • April 1, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST

    the_dark_shite

    by AsimovLives

    I'm an atheist too. but i think it's way more,more plausible to think that aliens exists then paralel universes from timetraveling branching. I don0t find it unplausable at all, quite the contrary, i find it very plausible that somethere in the universe, in our own galaxy, in our neirgbourg solar systems in our corner of the galaxy, maybe evnein our own solar system, that life was developed from their own particular natural conditions. And i'm certainthat there's many other places in our galaxy inthe in the universe where conditions exists similiar to our Earth that also created the emergence of life, including intelligent life. That part is not hard to believe. Paralel universes and time traveling to the past, however, is a big different matter. For they to exist, they would need to break every laws in the universe we know that have been proved to be truth and real. It's a real nightmare. It's beyond believable.

  • April 1, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    halfbreedqueen

    by AsimovLives

    If i understand this correctly, there is no stopping time atthe event horizont. That would happen below it. We would do see time dillaction effects, like, from an outside perspective, it would look like an object falling toward the black hole would start to became slower, while if you were falling down, you would be oblivious to the time slowness, it would be business as usual. But if we are outside seeing soemthing faling in, we would see it reach the event horizont. And then we would see the effect of spargettification on said object. Things are not exactly destroyed when they cross the black hole's event horizont, they get stretched. The thing that's puzzing us today is if the object itself is spargettified, or only it's information. Or if the object IS information. It has been one of the biggest mind screws of modern science today, a problem with even boggles the mind of such genious as Stephen Hawlings.

  • And it's actually consistent with the most advanced knowledge we have of how things could travel back in time in a pratical manner. Basically, one can only travel back in time to when the time machine was first turned on, and never before. Bascially, a time machinewould be like a teleporter, in which you can only transport yourself to the timeline that corresponds to all the time it was been operational. In the movie, the time traveling effect is created by a quirk distortion of magnetic fields. In reality, the best possibility for a such time travel machine is the use of light beams as space-time benders. Since mass has energy, and mass bends time-space, thus energy bends space-time too. So, the technique that's been exlored this days is to use high power lazers put in a grid form, like a sucesstion of corssed lazers in a vertical disposition, criss-crossing each other. So that the space inbetween the lazers can get bended. And so far, it has been observed that yes, lazers do bend space-time. It's a very small very subtle effect, but it's measurable. This has also been postulated to be true for larger scale events of super-galactic proportions.

  • April 1, 2011, 1:19 p.m. CST

    black holes

    by Db

    The interesting problem about black holes, which asimovlives touched on, is what happens to the information contained about the object's position, momentum, etc. as it passes through the event horizon. Is that information destroyed? Or is it cosmically "censored" from us, still in existence but ultimately unreachable through any physical means? There's even a theory whereby all information about every object that has ever fallen through an event horizon is recorded at that boundary condition, in the form of a holographic representation (where in this case, holographic means a multidimensional recording on a two-dimensional surface). There's even a theory that our own universe is a four-dimensional holographic representation, playing out on a surface in some unimaginable higher-dimensional universe!

  • April 1, 2011, 1:20 p.m. CST

    ditko

    by AsimovLives

    Save your opinion of Duncan Jones to the real daddy boy who got where he is today thanks to daddy's connections, JJ Abrams.

  • April 1, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    epiphenomenalqualia

    by AsimovLives

    That's basically the concept that the whole universe might just be a black hole insude a super-universe. The idea wa frist though out, i believe, in the 1950s, when astrophysics saw a correlation between the amount of mass in the univrse in relation to the gravity, and the rsult was pretty similiar to the relation found in a black hole. Since then, concepts of universes as black holes have been prevalent. Bascially, and since we know very very litle of what miht happen below the event horizont, the idea is that if inside a black hole, things act like the universe does? As in, inside each black hole ther eis soemthign akin to a mini-universe. Or that our universe is the result of a giant black hole that exists on an even bigger super-universe.

  • April 1, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST

    no... The Chippah

    by tailhook

    is the April Fools Joke.

  • April 1, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Halfbreedqueen - Suspension of ...

    by The StarWolf

    Good science fiction requires suspension of disbelief, yes, but it usually helps you in that there's one change from what we know and then things flow logically from it. Things such as THE MATRIX simply don't hold together. You speak of the level of technology available in that future. Right. And human bodies are the best they can come up with as energy sources? Can't buy that. Even if every source of expendable fuel had been used up there'd still be hydroelectric, orbiting solar arrays (since the computer could override human objections) and other renewable sources which should be more than adequate to keep it powered up. And that's even if fusion power hasn't come on line. It's just bad writing for the sake of the plot. And Neo ... he's shown FLYING at the end of the first movie. Yet, the best he can do against agent Smiths is ... kung fu? If I can alter reality, as Neo now could, I'd show imagination and go Bugs Bunny on the computer with portable holes and falling Acme anvils and the like. Confuse the heck out of its logic circuits. But that was beyond the writers of the thing.

  • April 1, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST

    In the original script for the Matrix.

    by tradeskilz

    Humans werent harvested for energy but the Matrix was a Quantum Computer using billions of Human Brains as Parallel Quantum Computer Processors, but the story goes that Hollywood execs thought the idea was too hard to grasp for regular viewers. Not sure if the story is true but from a quasi-scientific standpoint it would make a lot of sense.

  • April 1, 2011, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Mr ahole ramirez - Plot holes?

    by The StarWolf

    DARK KNIGHT was the Swiss cheese of plots when it came to holes. Loved BATMAN BEGINS, but DARK KNIGHT? The Batman offering himself up as Dent's killer at the end? made no sense. Joker was responsible for the chain of actions which led to the death. The Batman getting ready to turn himself in to stop the killings? Made zero sense. Spider-Man might be naive enough, but Bats? No way. The Batman blasting through rows of parked cars, not bothering to know if there were any civvies in them, then driving through a crowded building? Uh, no. Worse, right after that he risks life and limb to avoid hurting the Joker - a homicidal maniac - with his bike. Say what?!

  • April 1, 2011, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Tradeskilz - Makes more sense

    by The StarWolf

    Human brains tied to computers to augment their power is a staple of SF and not that far from becoming reality. Except ... the Matrix computer wouldn't need to generate that artificial reality, just feed the brains the data and set them loose on problems. And this would pretty much put the kibosh on the story.

  • April 1, 2011, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Lovely discussions all around.

    by jameshardy

    That said, all I have to chime in with is this: <br> What irked me most about TDK wasn't (as previously mentioned, albeit partially) the bit where Bats zooms through the underpass, showering projectiles at cars, not knowing whether or not there were people in them; but instead, it was the subsequent scene of him zooming through a shopping mall corridor, or whatever it was, using the fucking guns on his bike to shatter a glass door that dared stand in his way! GUNS. BULLETS. Surely, after piercing the doors, they continue along their trajectories and hit the civilians on the other side?!?! SURELY!?!?!

  • April 2, 2011, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Nolan Can Suck It

    by tensticks

    Sharon: Just because an idea is over convoluted and complex doesn't make it cool. Going into multiple dream levels sounds like a really stupid idea. Cobb: You don't get it because you're not smart enough. --South Park ************************************ This movie proves that you can do intelligent, complex sci fi without layers of artificial and unnecessary complications, intellectual masturbation, emotional emptiness, smoke & mirrors (unlike some other movies I can mention). This movie is smart, unpretentious, gets in, does its job, gets out and leaves the viewer both thoughtful AND heartful. Duncan Jones, you've knocked it out of the park twice now, and I salute you. We shall watch your career with great interest.

  • April 2, 2011, 8:11 a.m. CST

    tradeskilz

    by Hipshot

    I believe that. In fact, it could still be true. Morpheus could simply have been wrong about what was going on...that's the beautiful thing about having human beings relay information in a story. Sometimes they are just wrong.

  • April 2, 2011, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Tensticks

    by Hipshot

    I enjoyed Inception a lot, but noticed I never finished watching it a second time. Then, about three weeks ago I had dinner with Harlan Ellison, and to my surprise he pretty much crapped on Inception, saying it was all special effects and no content. Huh. May have to watch it again to see if I agree, but Harlan's opinions are always intelligent, and usually QUITE perceptive.

  • April 2, 2011, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Starwolf--

    by Hipshot

    If the brains were being used for computational purposes, and the reality was being generated, it raises some very interesting philosophical questions. For instance: 1) Was the Grand computer being kind, in its way? Was it providing a comforting dream out of some sense of mercy? 2) Does the human brain work well in total isolation, without the illusion of interaction and external environment? It is possible that the Matrix illusions were designed to optimize the brain's evolutionarily programmed expectations in terms of sensory input. The "brain in a vat" might break down or go insane. 3) Could the Matrix BE the data input? In other words, could the people actually be problem solving, but the problems are presented as issues related to their lives: a basketball jump-shot is actually a complex movement equation, etc. Rather than asking minds to simply crunch numbers, the questions are embedded in a "matrix" of emotional and sensory data, thereby increasing the brain's "wish" to resolve them. ## All kindsa interesting possibilities, no?

  • April 2, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Hipshot

    by The StarWolf

    Interesting theory. Does make a convoluted sort of sense. But I'm a fan of Occam's razor. The simplest solution is the best and simply put, this was a 'the plot needs it' rather than 'this makes sense' thing.

  • April 2, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    @V'Shael

    by tensticks

    It was SUPPOSED to be obvious. We, the audience, know the military/scientists are LYING to him, so we're ROOTING for him to figure that out.

  • April 2, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    @hipshot

    by tensticks

    That's wonderful. Yep, Harlan is a god amongst men (Harlan haters can go eff themselves), and while I don't always agree with him, I do more often than not--and I DO always respect and am entertained by him. So kudos. (I'd say tell him hi for me, but he probably wouldn't remember me.)

  • April 2, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    v'shael and tensticks

    by TheMcflyFarm

    Did either of you actually watch the movie? It was not supposed to be obvious that he could change things nor was it made obvious when we see him do things on the train that the real guy obviously didn't do. We are told that what he does in the source code has no affect on reality.

  • April 2, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Wiat, David Bowie had a kid named Zowie. Is that Duncan or is Zowie

    by Shaner Jedi

    his sis?