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Any New PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN Films Will Be Standalones, So Sayeth The Bruck!

Published at: March 30, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

Nordling here.

If I have any complaints about the PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN series so far, it's lack of focus.  The first film could have used about 15 minutes shaved off, and the two after that were even more bloated.  Perhaps it was because the filmmakers had a long form story to tell and lost the overall plot for the details, trying to fit an all-encompassing story in them.  Well, Jerry Bruckheimer spoke to USA Today, and an interesting tidbit was revealed - not only does Bruckheimer have two more PIRATES screenplays in the works, but that any films released from this point will be standalones.

"The audience told us what they loved about it is that it was fresh, it was new, it was a whole new story," said Bruckheimer to USA Today.  "So that will carry over into the next one, too, to give it something fresh and different. As long as the audience embraces this one, we’ll certainly try to make another one. It’s really up to Johnny. He loves the character."

I keep forgetting we have a new PIRATES film coming out this summer.  With all the other major releases, this one seems to be squeaking under the radar.  Hopefully Rob Marshall and Johnny Depp can bring the series back to the swashbuckling fun of the first film.  PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: ON STRANGER TIDES comes out this May from Disney Studios.

Nordling, out.

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  • March 30, 2011, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Yawn

    by YZiddy

    Depp needs to stop doing these.

  • March 30, 2011, 3:41 p.m. CST

    I bet you like FRINGE

    by AssyMuffJizz

  • March 30, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    great idea

    by vicmackey1268

    if Sparrow was like a 007 of the seas i would love to watch the movies...seeing exploits without worrying about plot continuations is great....bravo

  • March 30, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST

    "It’s really up to Johnny. He loves the character."

    by FilmGuy125

    And the paycheck.

  • March 30, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST

    So what would you rather have?

    by D.Vader

    A braindead blockbuster that has "focus", or a complex blockbuster where every character has a motivation and a throughline and is much harder to shut your brain off while watching?

  • March 30, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Do we need this?

    by Fettster_uk

    I loved the first one but they got progressively worse. As Nordling said, they just got more and more bloated. If they can tone it down, get back to the story and comedy and keep the over the top CGI to a minimum, then it might get the series back on track.

  • March 30, 2011, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Sparrow...Jack Sparrow.

    by Orionsangels

    He's becoming the James Bond of Pirates.

  • March 30, 2011, 3:48 p.m. CST

    I like the standalone idea.

    by Frank Conniff

    We don’t need another unwieldy PotC trilogy. I think the Indiana Jones movies should be the model here.

  • March 30, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Say what you will

    by Raggles Wimpole

    Say what you will about the 2nd & 3rd "Pirates" movies, but Bill Nighy as Davy Jones was amazing. And as convoluted as the trilogy became, I think it brought back the pirate genre that Hollywood used to do so well so often.

  • March 30, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST

    The first one was great

    by richievanderlow

    The other two were too over the top. I'm just not interested in any of the new ones. I'll wait for the rental.

  • March 30, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Really good idea....no more back to back filming of sequels

    by Bobo_Vision

    Those are cinematic poison....(although not box office poison)..

  • "oh hey everybody loved this joke that's throw that in there 1000 times." fuckers.

  • March 30, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    POTC..in space

    by ORIONgods

  • March 30, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    POTC v HOOK

    by ORIONgods

  • March 30, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    I love the trilogy as the trilogy.

    by sweeneydave

    More than anything, the trilogy set up the world and stage that these future movies take place in. I would've LOVED more Indiana Jones movies in the vein of Temple. It sounds like that's what they are doing with the pirates movies. I say, bring it on.

  • March 30, 2011, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Rob Marshall?

    by DrPepperPHD

    Will there be a show stopping musical number at the beginning of the second act? This continues to be, for me anyway, one of the more perplexing directorial choices of recent years. I'd like to hear some thoughts on this. I've got nothing.<p> Bruckheimer: "With this one we wanted to get away from the complicated character motivations & make it more about the adventure & action set pieces. Once we decided on this route I only had one thing to say.......get me Rob Marshall!"<p> ???

  • March 30, 2011, 4:09 p.m. CST

    "It’s really up to Johnny. He loves the money."

    by Corman

  • March 30, 2011, 4:10 p.m. CST

    most of my turds are standalone

    by D o o d

    but sometimes there's a trilogy in there!

  • I will fill my CHOPlings in once I've managed to get a grip on this story. It's a blockbuster. Just you wait ...

  • March 30, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    I'm not totally buying that

    by quadrupletree

    I guess what they mean by standalone is if they never make another movie at the end of it the audience isn't left hanging. But the fact that the last one ends with him in a boat with a map to the fountain of youth makes this a continuation to me. Don't get me wrong, I kind of like that. But if they plant a seed for a future adventure in this one that leads to another movie, it's not really standalone.

  • March 30, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Pirates III is only good in small servings

    by sapno_krei

    I recommend watching it split over two nights, TV miniseries-style. The massive battle at the end alone is worth the trip. The f/x and music are probably the best in the trilogy.

  • March 30, 2011, 4:20 p.m. CST

    It's all about the paycheck

    by Dr. Egon Spengler

    I admire Johnny Depp as an actor. I remember when he avoided big blockbuster-type movies to play funky, weird (and even interesting) characters. This Pirates franchise deal he has going on is beginning to stain him in my eyes. Shame, really.

  • March 30, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Zoidberg should have played Davey Jones

    by Mel

  • From slashfilm: Asked how his Superman film fits in with Justice League, he said, It doesn’t. Like what Chris Nolan is doing and what I’m doing with Superman, what they’ll do with Justice League will be it’s own thing with it’s own Batman and own Superman. We’ll be over here with our movie and they kinda get to do it twice which is kinda cool.

  • March 30, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST

    The convoluted, over-the-top nature of the sequels ...

    by ThreeOranges

    ... made them better than the tepid and unremarkable first film. The second Pirates film is damn entertaining, and so full of fun that the lame jokes and other weak bits don't hurt as much as they did in the first one.

  • March 30, 2011, 4:56 p.m. CST

    PirateS - not Pirate

    by Todaysfate

    Its PIRATES of the Caribbean ... not PIRATE! ... Make a Pirates Movie WITHOUT Sparrow for once. Introduce a new HERO pirate for a movie or two ... then bring the two together later on.

  • March 30, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    I've often said the first POTC is a nearly perfect film

    by Jaster

    I say that regarding pacing, story structure and characterization. Everything works perfectly. It all balances together very well and you can't help but get wrapped up in it Even Knightly and Bloom give believable performances. I can't say the same for the second film, but it certainly ups the anti. I thought the tone shifted around a bit and the focus seemed to shift as well. But still it was a rollicking adventure tale. The third was total and complete shit. The only good thing about it was the sword fighting in the whirlpool at the end. Every single other element of that film was garbage and frankly I'm baffled why ANYONE can enjoy it. On Stranger Tides looks like a return to the style of the first film which is a real blessing and I for one am really looking forward to it.

  • March 30, 2011, 5:06 p.m. CST

    todaysfate, fuck that dude. There IS NO POTC without Sparrow.

    by Jaster

    I agree there is too much emphasis on his character because he's more of a sidekick than a lead, you simply cannot continue the series without him in the mix.

  • March 30, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST

    I agree. Sparrow needs to be the common thread.

    by sweeneydave

    Even if the epic stories don't revolve around him, he should always be falling into them (whether he is a significant player or not). Like the Warner Bros and their sister Dot.

  • March 30, 2011, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Sparrow Like Indy

    by Wcwlkr

    Someone pointed it out earlier that Jack Sparrow should be approached the same way Paramount did Indiana Jones. I actually think that's a GREAT idea.

  • March 30, 2011, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Actually really enjoyed the First 2 the 3rd was Uh...

    by Wcwlkr

    Loved the first 2 actually but the third one was way too long, and outside of Depp I loathed the other characters. There was absolutely no point to Chow Yun Fat's character that was such a waste. And that's why irked me from the jump.

  • March 30, 2011, 5:57 p.m. CST

    The sequels hold up really well

    by doopey

    Just recently re-watched them with my daughter and I was surprised by how much I enjoyed them. Yeah, they're still too long, but they absolutely make sense and they are just alot of fun to watch.

  • March 30, 2011, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Shakira

    by Chris McAleese

    The blonde mer-chick is Shakira, surely. Meanwhile, here's what's going on in the UK: http://mypollcardisapenis.blogspot.com/ My Poll Card Is A Penis!

  • March 30, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Hated the 3rd one

    by simongarth2001

    I wont even buy it to add it to the collection. Just like Iron-Turd 2.

  • March 30, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    No, Chow Yun Fat does have a purpse in the 3rd one

    by doopey

    He has 2 purposes 1) he has the navigational charts they need in order to get to Davy Jones' Locker and back; 2) He's one of the 9 pirate lords and his death is necessary for Elizabeth to become a pirate lord in his place (and to eventually fulfill her destiny as pirate king).

  • March 30, 2011, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Johnny Depp buys another island..

    by Rupee88

    ...with each one of these sequels. You can't really blame him and he's pretty much jokingly admitted that he has "sold out" with them...but as far as I'm concerned, hehas a lifetime pass from his other work and probably more of that in the future.

  • March 30, 2011, 6:35 p.m. CST

    doopey, you say it like that scene makes any sense whatsoever

    by Jaster

    Chow buys Knightly so he can fucking rape her. Everyone on that ship KNOWS that's why he bought her. He takes her into his room and dies. His first mate runs in and asks what happened and Knightly says "He gave all his ships to me, then died" The first mate says "Oh ok. Where to Captain?" And total dipfucks like you smiled and said "What a great movie!"

  • March 30, 2011, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Smart move

    by jimmy_009

    The sequels were pretty unwatchable IMO. The first movie felt like a standalone, and they patched together a mess of a trilogy when it didn't call for one. I can see a series of these with a fresh new story for each one.

  • March 30, 2011, 6:50 p.m. CST

    My biggest complaint about PotC #2

    by JonRD463

    ...was how Gibbs was just this endless fount of expositional info. Any time someone wondered rhetorically out loud, there was Gibbs with not just the answer, but a whole damned wikipedia entry of an answer. Okay, so he knows a lot, but it's hard to buy when he was just a deckhand on Norrington's ship, and later, a bum pirate sleeping with pigs in the first one.

  • March 30, 2011, 7:03 p.m. CST

    I love 3...it's 2 that I don't care for too much

    by nieman

    How can you bash 3? OK, Chow Yun Fat was useless as a character, and for a while you wondered what happened to the foundation of Elizabeth & Will's love. But that opening is EPIC. It practically gives you chills; and the fight at the end, not to mention getting to and from Davy Jones' locker..."We've made it back" "No, we're not back"

  • March 30, 2011, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Good.

    by catlettuce4

    That's how it should have been all along, but instead they tried to make it the pirate equivalent of a Lord of the Rings style epic. You're damn right it lost it's way over the two sequels... what a mess. Hopefully they will all be stand alone one-shot adventures from this point onward.

  • March 30, 2011, 7:15 p.m. CST

    So... it'll be like a stiff turd sticking up out of he toilet?

    by LargoJr

    When you buy a ticket, does it come with a plunger and your parents yard stick to beat it back under submission?

  • March 30, 2011, 7:26 p.m. CST

    PIRATES vs PIRAHNAS

    by DrMorbius

  • March 30, 2011, 7:26 p.m. CST

    rise_of_fett, you need to pay attention better

    by Dreamwriter

    Chow bought Knightly because he thought she was the goddess Calypso. He thought controlling her would be a big thing, had nothing to do with rape (although that's what Knightly thought at first). And the first mate didn't automatically allow Knightly to take command, he at first said he would never follow her - he didn't call her captain until everyone was being threatened and asked who was captain. Then later on she was instrumental in their escape, before becoming Pirate King.

  • March 30, 2011, 7:29 p.m. CST

    I've just never cared remotely about any of these movies

    by CountryBoy

    They're reasonably fun while I'm watching them; but at the same time, they all seem sort of stupid and pointless to me. Looking back I can't even differentiate among them, they're like one interminable movie with random years-long pauses. Sure, there are some cool effects, and some good jokes I guess; but Sparrow is such a goofball nothing seems to matter, and the plots are beyond convoluted. They're just a mess. It's truly diusheartening to think there are THREE MORE of these slogging toward us...

  • March 30, 2011, 8:20 p.m. CST

    PIRATES 4 will make $300 mil domestic. Sure thing.

    by zillabeast

    You will not forget about it then!

  • March 30, 2011, 8:28 p.m. CST

    I miss the days of compleyely standalone sequels

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    John McClane, Indiana Jones, James Bond, Harry Callahan, Riggs & Murtaugh...we saw each new film of their respective franchises not because of some bullshit "To Be Continued!" tag at the end of the last film, but because we simply wanted to see another adventure with these characters. Nowadays, if they made Magnum Force, it'd end with Harry's apparent death, and suddenly the Scorpio Killer would walk out of the shadows eating an apple. See you next summer, kids...!

  • March 30, 2011, 8:28 p.m. CST

    "completely"

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    Jesus, EDIT FEATURE, please!

  • March 30, 2011, 8:57 p.m. CST

    stand alone vs. SERIES films..

    by mcgillj

    You know.. the PROBLEM with the 2 films shot back to back.. is more or less.. ONE or the other of the films, if not BOTH.. is not really a COMPLETE experience.. without the other. I am not saying that you HAVE to view them together.. but if you don't.. you just.. kinda go.. meh.. Matrix Reloaded.. sets up for a great stand up drag own FIGHT.. and botches it in the FINAL (3rd film) act... same with Pirates.. while I LOVE the.. bitter sweet ending.. the whole Depp wandering around? WTF was that? EITHER of these films (part 2 or 3) are just UNFULFILLING..whereas I'd point to Zemeckis' Back to the Future 2 and 3.. and most people seem to have a dislike for BTTF 2.. and I can admit, I actually prefer 3 to 2.. I loved some of the fun paradox gimmicks.. BUT.. know what? I CAN watch BTTF 2.. all by itself, or in a MASSIVE orgy with the other 2 (same with 3) and when those credits ROLL.. I do NOT feel cheated. When I watch BTTF 2.. I KNOW there's more.. but I FELT like I had a full adventure.. and.. there's more waiting.. unlike Pirates.. or Matrix.. its just like they get to a CERTAIN story telling point and just CUT OFF!!! roll credits.. THE END?! It's not satisfying. there was an hour and a half of Jack Sparrow rolling on a mother flippin barrel and you have the balls to end it NOW.. JUST when it starts getting good? WTH?! So.. no.. a film NOT being stand alone is NOT the problem.. the film being a cripped and half baked narrative that can NOT stand on its own is..

  • March 30, 2011, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Stand alones.

    by blackwood

    I dig it. It's the right idea. I also dig that Nolan is going to wrap up his Batman story and then the character gets 'rebooted'. I hate the reboot/remake structure that's infested Hollywood like a slime mould, BUT it makes sense with iconic comic book characters. Like authors and artists do runs. I can understand that. PIRATES is a franchise that should be a lot more like INDIANA JONES or BOND. Connected universe, some meta things -- more rewarding to consume in sequence, with call-backs and cameos, but not dependent on them. It will be interesting to see how it pans out. I wasn't looking forward to PIRATES 4, but I'm starting to.

  • March 30, 2011, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Squeaking Under the Radar?

    by Lord Elric

    With all due respect, the new POTC trailer is the one movie I've heard nothing but positive responses too. Actual, out loud positive responses, I'll add. Heck, there's even a POTC Lego game coming out in early May. This will do GANGBUSTER business. Seriously.

  • March 30, 2011, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Most people prefer Back to the Future 3?

    by Jaster

    What the fucking fuck? Everyone I've EVER KNOWN thought BTTF Part II was amazing and BTTF Part III was UTTER SHIT! I mean...fucking DUH! NONE of the elements we all liked from the first 2 films are present in the third. There are no paradoxes, no threats of corrupting the future and as I recall the only relative was fucking Biff Tannen's. And that was just an excuse to do the same old shit again with having him be a bully and get turds dropped on him. This was a science fiction film that takes place almost entirely in the old west. No science. No fiction. All GAY! It was boring. It was stupid. It was lame. Everyone but you knows this.

  • March 30, 2011, 10:08 p.m. CST

    BTTF III has the WORST ending I have ever seen!

    by Yamato

    The whole ending spit in the face of the rest of the series, (and the rest of BTTF III as well) He makes a time machine while in the old west? He now travels around, interference does not matter because "we make our own choices"? WORST WRITING EVER An ending that would have made the movie good. Marty returns to the present, the time machine is wrecked, he does not race and does not get into the crash. He drives through town, see's things like "Brown's Pharmacy", "Brown's Gas Station". Women, men, (some of whom would be played by Lloyd in make-up)wave to him, with greetings like "Hi Marty", "Hey Marty, how's the family" etc. The Doc is gone, but his descendants are alive, and are living in Hill Valley. Yeah, its kinda cutesy, but it would be a nice comedic ending to the series.

  • March 30, 2011, 10:16 p.m. CST

    How about a 2 part cliffhanger once in a while?

    by SantosLHalper

  • March 30, 2011, 11:02 p.m. CST

    The bruck?

    by Citizen Sane

    R U fucking kidding me? He is nothing more than a REALLY lucky butt-pirate. His movies are ABSOLUTELY BLOATED CRAP...nothing more! That includes his butt- pirate, crap movies. Bruck- the cock-sucking butt pirate

  • March 30, 2011, 11:04 p.m. CST

    AL BUTT-PIRATE MOVIES ARE CONVOLUTED CRAP!!!

    by Citizen Sane

  • March 30, 2011, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Even within BTTF3....the ending made no sense

    by Bobo_Vision

    In both BTTF2 and 3, Doc Brown keeps saying how he should have never have created that infernal time machine and wanted to destroy it.....and after Marty returns to 1985, all their troubles could be over, and all three films demonstrated the problems that arise from time travel....so what does Doc do? He creates a time traveling train. <p> What the fuck?!!!! <p> Also, one of Doc's kids at the end of BTTF3 motions to his groin......no, really...watch this: <p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq5-6PkVGCg

  • March 30, 2011, 11:24 p.m. CST

    What th fuck is with the fucking SPAM on here?

    by Citizen Sane

  • March 30, 2011, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Kick JOLIN07 off of here

    by Citizen Sane

  • March 31, 2011, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Under the radar!

    by billyhitchcock1

    It's the only film i'm thinking about!

  • March 31, 2011, 7:48 a.m. CST

    As Long As Depp Wants In...

    by BeyondStatic

    ... so do I.

  • March 31, 2011, 1:02 p.m. CST

    GOOD

    by Wookie_1995

    They have always needed to be stand alone movies! but no lets try and make people care about stupid characters for three flims...jeezz

  • March 31, 2011, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Fuck the Bruck

    by AsimovLives

  • March 31, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    I love the whole series.

    by JacksParasites

    The PotC films do a great job of developing the rules of the world and are much stronger on character and theme than typical blockbuster fare. They are all super fun and I commend the writers for bringing the bigger heroes journey elements to 2 and 3. I think people forget just how insipid and brainless most films are. It's not surprising people keep referencing the Indiana Jones series in this post because the PotC is the best action/adventure series since the Indiana Jones series.

  • March 31, 2011, 3:12 p.m. CST

    2nd and 3rd were unwatchable- hopefully 4 will be good.

    by Playkins

    Seriously, they were awful. Worse than either Transformers movies. Worse than Sucker Punch. Very low expectations for this one. At least if Kiera Knightly isn't in it, there will be a 33% better chance I'll like it.

  • March 31, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    My take on 2 and 3

    by quadrupletree

    I actually really liked Pirates 2 in as much as it was a set up for a third film. I watched it in the mind frame that it was NOT a complete story and only as a set up for the next movie, and in that light I really liked it at the time I saw it in the theater. I clapped at the ending reveal of Barbosa... By contrast, the third movie was SO bad that it actually made the second one bad by association! If they had made an awesome third movie then the second would have been good to me as being one half of a whole.

  • March 31, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST

    I don't care. I loved DMC and AWE.

    by Brock

    Keep them coming! Davy Jones was one of the best villains given to us in a very long time, and this series is simply very fun storytelling.

  • March 31, 2011, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Johnny Depp is a fucking whore!

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    Oh, and he can't fucking act for shit!

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