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After THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, He Will Reboot!

Beaks here...

We've been hearing rumors to this effect for a while, but now the L.A. Times' intrepid Ben Fritz has confirmed it: THE DARK KNIGHT RISES will be the final chapter in Christopher Nolan's Batman run. Once he's finished, the character will be rebooted (with Nolan's input), and, most likely, attached to a narrative that will lead to a JUSTICE LEAGUE movie in 2013.

Fritz got all of this from WB president Jeff Robinov, who also briefly discussed the development of FLASH and WONDER WOMAN movies (the latter being wholly separate from David E. Kelley's goofy-looking TV adaptation). It sounds like they're hoping to mimic the Marvel strategy, which has been all about assembling THE AVENGERS for a 2012 release (production on that film is already underway). Nothing shocking there.

More interesting to me is Devin Faraci's observation that Nolan's THE DARK KNIGHT RISES will be the first time we see a filmmaker's superhero run reach a definitive end. While I'm told there's some nervousness (if not outright displeasure) about this at WB, there's very little they can do: this is Nolan's show, and he's going to finish it on his terms.

Which means WB will be watching the box office returns for Sony's THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN very closely...

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  • March 29, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST

    First

    by Jazzmaverickjim

    Yeahh

  • March 29, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Good!

    by supernew

    Sounds like a good idea. Hopefully Nolan will give us a thrilling end.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Adam West

    by nolan bautista

    will return for this!

  • March 29, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Reboot!

    by imagin78

    So will this be a reboot inside a reboot inside of another reboot?

  • March 29, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Reboot with Nolans input?

    by Jazzmaverickjim

    Personally i CANNOT see that happening.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:07 p.m. CST

    No more REBOOTS!

    by JethroBodine

    I'm sick of that shiat!

  • March 29, 2011, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Also Follow me @Jazzmaverickjim

    by Jazzmaverickjim

  • March 29, 2011, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Justice League vs. Avengers!

    by nolan bautista

    will it ever happen?

  • This just sounds utterly bizarre.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST

    is say val kilmer as the bloated bat.

    by claxdog

  • milk him till he's somehow dried up and bloated at the same time.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    I read Justice League movie and made a sex face

    by dastickboy

    And one involving Chris Nolan. Fucking. Yes.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    More than ready for Dark Knight Rises, neutral on Justice League

    by darthderp

    I guess I'm waiting to see how the Superman retread (sorry) rehash (sorry again) reset goes. Wouldn't mind seeing Flash and Wonder Woman on the big screen, and we've already got Green Lantern coming soon. As for Nolan's finale, can't wait.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    So will this be a reboot inside a reboot inside of another reboot?

    by art123guy

    Sounds like Inception. I guess Nolan will have input. Or had it, depending on the level of dream we're at now.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST

    jazzmaverickjim

    by mrbeaks

    Robinov seems to be saying that Nolan and his wife will be producing the subsequent Batman movies, so he'll have *some* input.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST

    I don't like this.

    by Orion

    Another fucking origin story? I really enjoyed the origin story in Begins, and felt the 3rd one would cement Bruce's acceptance of the role of Batman. What is he going to do, retire? F this.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST

    I say reboot back to the 60s version of Batman.

    by JudasPriestly

    Holy Cock-sucking Whore, Batman!

  • March 29, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST

    So what does this mean for Snyder's Superman?

    by WriteForTheEdit

    So fucking confusing.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    definitive end?

    by JAMF

    are they killing bruce or crippling him or what? seems like they keep implying that, anyone know more?

  • March 29, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    "definitive end"

    by Rupee88

    What does that mean? It sounds like the end of a story arc like has been doing in comics for a hundred years. I doubt he's going to kill Batman off at the end of it. And if even if he did the character woudl still be alive in other forms of media, and in future movies. My point is that whoever wrote this article is kind of dumb to think that WB executives care that much what he does with this movie. It will make hundreds of millions of $$$s and that's all they care about.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    I know it wasn't popular

    by papabendi

    but I'm still sorry we never got to see George Miller's JLA.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Nolan should not have a role in the reboot.

    by Orion

    Batman should not exist in a realistic world. It should be gritty and dark, similar to our world, but should have a unique feel. Otherwise some dude who fights crime dressed as a bat, who's a billionaire and could use his money more productively to fight crime, just comes across as a clown. Fuck you Nolan.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Did the Justice League not negotiate retirement age and overtime?

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    They're working this guy like a Chilean miner.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Riddle me this...

    by MoneyGrabSequel

    Who cares if they reboot? Sounds good to me as long as they finish the story arch, they do it all the time with superheroes. And Bradley Cooper will be the next Bruce Wayne, just wait and see.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Reboot, huh? GREAT! I hope they get Joel Schumacher again!

    by Elgyn6655321

    Bwahahahahaaa!

  • March 29, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Batman meets Abbott and Costello

    by JethroBodine

    That's DEFINITELY where all of this is heading.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Maybe this is a story plant

    by Orion

    to make everyone talk about the ending. Is he going to die? Is he going to retire? Is a 8 yearold thai boy going to become Robin? When the end is really Batman standing on top of the building, triumphant, with the bat signal in the sky behind him. Gay. Bring back Schumacher.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    if a reboot means another origin movie...

    by ultragoregrind

    FUCK that.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:20 p.m. CST

    This is hilarious! DC is getting Avengers envy!

    by THE_CHOPPAH

  • March 29, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST

    LOL @ DC

    by GINGE_MUPPET

    Apart from Batman everything else will be horrific on the big screen ... Green Lantern looks laughable, new Superman will be no better than the last effort and Wonder Woman?? ... Give me a fucking break. A JLA movie would be mega bomb.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    You want a real Batman reboot, back to the comics?

    by darthderp

    Do Knightfall as a trilogy. Hear me out. Have the first movie introduce Jean Paul Valley (Azrael) and Bane blowing up Arkahm & freeing the nutcases, the second have Bruce Wayne getting paralyzed and passing the role to Valley who finishes off Bane, and then the third has Wayne healing and trying to get the Cowl back from a psychotic Jean Paul. Hey, it's just me but I'd buy a ticket!

  • March 29, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Batman back break CONFIRMED.

    by knowthyself

  • March 29, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Ending does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    This is not so much an announcement as a comment by Robinov... a comment about one possible scenario in several years time - I wouldn't take it as gospel. I'd say it's bad timing though - I mean the third movie hasn't even begun shooting yet. Who would want to be watching THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, which does sound like it will have some finality and closure to it, knowing in the back of your head that actually there WILL be another Batman movie the following year? Won't that undermine the drama of what Nolan's going for?

  • March 29, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    I love how they try to sell third films now as

    by knowthyself

  • March 29, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    The only thing it sounds like to me

    by Dr. Chim Richalds

    is that they'll have a new version of Batman for the JLA movie - one that can exist in that particular universe without taking a dump on the universe that Nolan created in his Batman movies. So, the JLA movie will have a different Batman. Whether that leads to new Batman movies, using that new version, is not clear.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    endings to trilogies.

    by knowthyself

    Yup. It's the new scam. "Oh yeah we end the trilogy with this one. Yup."

  • March 29, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    What the shit?!

    by Six Demon Bag

    Can't they just stop making the same film over and over? Have we seriously gotten to the point where they just make the same film? If they are gonna churn this shite out--then spread the wealth. Make a batman black, then Asian, then handicapped, then retarded, then an Internet troll, then the choppah. That should keep them busy for awhile.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST

    How about just turning the franchise over to Bruce Timm/Paul Dini?

    by Jobacca

    I would KILL to see those guys work on a live-action Batman movie!!!!!

  • March 29, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Bale's Batman should die at the end.

    by Mandolorian

  • March 29, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Why

    by malcolmtuckersdirtymouth

    can't they just continue on after TDKR, recasting Bruce Wayne/Batman (Bradley Cooper is a good shout moneygrabsequel), perhaps keep supporting actors Oldman, Caine and Freeman but lighten the mood a little, allowing for some slightly more outlandish characters as villains? Rebooting is killing creativity - how many times do we need to see an origin story? I'd love to see a take on Batman that falls between Nolan's and Burton's, perhaps with the aesthetic of Singers X Men films.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    It's not a "reboot"

    by phifty2

    It's a version of the character that can be used in the universe they're creating for the JLA movie.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Growing to really despise the word reboot

    by kafka07

    Also pretty confused over "reboot but with Nolan's input". If so much effort is put into a series of films, why just cut if off when it's still kind of young? Why couldn't this trilogy just be looked at as early in Batman's career? And any subsequent films can continue to introduce more from the Bat-comics, connect it to Justice League, etc. All that, and a reboot just isn't necessary.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Phifty2....

    by darthderp

    Put that way, sounds more like a "revision" than a "reboot". Sounds fine, but like I said earlier, I'll just wait and see about this one.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    So has Talia been confirmed yet?

    by Chain

    Oldman said it was coming full circle and there have been Talia rumors flying about. Could he retire to raise a kid? Does he get killed and Talia has a kid at the end? It should be interesting. I do wish they had went with the Hugo Strange psycho mindfark like "Prey" with a "Son of the Demon" co-plot.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    A major Bale fan, but...

    by Clarence_Boddickers_Optometrist

    I dunno, some of his recent work has left me a little cold, Nolan's trilogy included along with Terminator, Public Enemies. Have read about Cillian Murphy being in the running before Bale being cast, and how different the character would have been, and perhaps the tone of the whole Trilogy. I'm sure there's the possibility of Armie Hammer taking over as he almost did in the aborted JL movie, but part of what makes Michael Keaton THE definitive Batman/Wayne for me as that he wasn't the obvious choice. His performance and nuance in Batman '89 is underrated given his little screen time. I sometimes think what choice today would be akin to Keaton's out-of-nowhere casting back then, with Keaton's depth and range but rep as the funny man/comic actor? Johnny Depp? Or some unknown?

  • March 29, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    This idea gives me vertigo.

    by Frank Conniff

    I feel like things are moving too fast. Let’s just slow down for a second and think about what we’re doing here, Hollywood. This is starting to seem gluttonous. Maybe we should take a break from superhero movies for a while. Let’s scrap the new Spiderman, let the Dark Knight Rises finish out the Batman series, and then see how the new Superman movie turns out. If that movie works, maybe we could have a nice Superman trilogy, and then perhaps we could take a few years off and have some new, different kinds of movies. What do you think?

  • March 29, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Michael Fassbender as Batman/Wayne?

    by Clarence_Boddickers_Optometrist

  • March 29, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    hey beaks, you moron, look up reinvent in the dictionary

    by Orion

    Its not the same as reboot. The article doesnt say reboot. A reinvention to me implies a stylistic change. A reboot sounds like a restart. Fuck this website.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    God I hate comic book movies... when will they stop?

    by spire_walk

    God they're all the fucking same. Ludicrous villains, boring protagonists that can't be killed, friends and family put in danger because the writers can't kill the hero, friends and family who are put in peril, but never die. Any edgy story arc from a comic book series gets watered down into a sub plot. I fucking hate them. They're like all the vapid romantic comedies out there. Or worst...Twilight.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    So fucking sick of the Nolan love fest

    by Billy_D_Williams

    please get off this man's testicles...he's a good filmmaker, but nowhere near the cinema legend fanfags keep bestowing upon him. The Dark Knight was the perfect storm of Ledger's death being of great interest to the public. the movie has plot hole after plot hole. Nolan's visual style is bland, his setups are boring, his action scenes choppy and uninteresting...he has all the visual prowess of Brett Ratner...using mostly editing to push the story further, his camera blocking tells no story like the best of them (Spielberg, Scorsese, etc)...he's very good with character and story, but thats half a movie and you cannot be considered a great director when you can't even tell the story with camera blocking like Spielberg or Welles or Scorsese, who are true virtuoso geniuses...Nolan is merely pretty good.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Jonathan Rhys-Meyers???

    by Clarence_Boddickers_Optometrist

  • March 29, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Animated Batman Team

    by batfunk

    Jobacca, I agree. Hand the Batman franchise to Bruce Timm and Paul Dini. They truly understand the characters and have already created/adapted the definitive Batman universe. Warner Bros, get on the phone now!

  • March 29, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Enough!

    by ThomasFlynn

    I will argue that there is hardly a soul around that does not at this point know the origins of Batman, Superman, and to some degree Wonder Woman. Even at their dumbest down levels: "Batman - ain't he the guy whose parents were killed and he fights crime like a bat?" "Superman...oh yeah, from Krypton. He's got super powers. Fights a bald guy." "Wonder Woman -- ain't she like Xena or something" (okay, maybe not Wonder Woman so much) Point is, there is no need to redo origins. It's time for the movie makers to focus on a good story. By all means, start the film off with a montage of scenes recapping the hero's start...but then get the damn story moving along. The problem of course is that we're all sheep. We'll go -- we'll spend our money. We'll watch. And then we'll come back here to complain about it.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Maybe Subtitles_Off will finally get his spandex-clad Batman after all

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    and Continentalop his Penguin!

  • March 29, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST

    So he's going to kill Batman...

    by V'Shael

    Who saw that coming?

  • March 29, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Why is the word Reboot now replacing the word REVAMP??

    by aaron

    Is revamp a forgotten word now? You know, like when you tweak something, or put a new creative team on it for a new direction etc etc?? (ie NOT starting again from scratch) Why would they reboot Batman when the current version when narratively it has barely gotten started! When you read the actual interview (where the word Reboot is NOT used, btw), it suggests to me that the Batman world might need to be tweaked/altered to more comfortably fit into a shared universe. Bale might also be on the way out?

  • March 29, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST

    So, not "reboot" but... "re-Bat" BOOM

    by Emperor_was_a_jerk

    Thanks. I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitstaff. Try the veal.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST

    aicnmscott

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I take it you're 12 years old?

  • March 29, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST

    They need to stop making DC 'The Keep-up Kid'

    by Kamaji

    This reminds me of the comic books when I read them in the 90's. DC was trailing behind Marvel, and it seems that it's happening still in the movie-business. The idea of a JL movie feels like they are trying to piggy-back on the concept of tie-in movies that is leading to The Avengers.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:37 p.m. CST

    aicnmscott

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Yeah, Abrams is one of the most exciting filmmakers working today. When was the last time you heard ANYONE talking about Mission Impossible 3 and the Star Trek reboot?

  • March 29, 2011, 12:38 p.m. CST

    The thing about a definitive ending is...

    by 8footTallGopher

    It is truly the one batman story that has NEVER been told (ok, The Dark Knight Returns and the Earth Two batman maybe). But when you're saying this is the end it should really free up the storytellers. All bets are off. Anything can happen. Anyone can die, anyone can be redeemed. When you watch a batman (or Superman, or Spider-Man, or James Bond, etc.) the one thing you absolutely know going in is that at the end the hero will survive. Not so with this strategy. This is great.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:40 p.m. CST

    of course Nolan is going to kill Batman

    by Billy_D_Williams

    as Oldman said, the ending is not in the script, only in Nolan's head...why else would the ending need to be secret? his universe is ending and the ending is a secret...it doesnt get anymore obvious

  • March 29, 2011, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Stepdaddy ramirez, that episode ( "Clash")

    by Stalkeye

    Was among my favs from JLU. However, my major gripe would be how easily Supes whipped Cap's ass when the Big Red Cheese is more than capable of giving him a run for his money. (That episode like most of the JLU series was written by the, late great Dwayne Mcduffle.) Timm would work wonders for Bats and Supes. I would give him the vote over zac Snyder especially now that SP is deemed a commercial and critical failure.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    I like Nolan's Batman but...

    by codecrackx15

    I'm not interested in another version that runs up to a Justice League movie. In fact that was the only thing I disliked about the Iron Man movies, this need to have an Avengers movie. Captain America and Thor are looking lame so I think those will be downloads or DVD viewing. The new Spider-man looks like ass so really, super hero movies are on the out. Nolan's Batman and a third Iron Man are all that have my interest. PS: Green Lantern still looks like junk to me.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    TDKR should end with the back break

    by alienindisguise

    with the last shot being an overhead of Bruce beat to shit lying in the hospital bed. THE END

  • March 29, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    how about...

    by emeraldboy

    a darren aronofski batman. obviously that rumour died on its ass. what rumour? the rumour was that wb were going to the batman franchise to darren aronofski.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Next up: reboots that come out before the movie they're rebooting!

    by kidicarus

    Paradox!

  • changed from actor to actor, they didn't call it a reboot.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Keep Bale on.

    by kiwicanuck

    I realize Nolan's wrapping up the triology, but assuming Bats isn't dead or permanently disabled (despite how "closed" the sequel might be, I'm betting there's going to be at least a crack of a door open), why not push forward with Bale and the rest of Nolan's cast if needed in the JLA movie? I know Bale's said he doesn't want to be involved in any Bat sequel if Nolan isn't, but now that Nolan is producing the flick, that would be fantastic. Bale may not be absolutely perfect (like others, I found he went overboard with the Bat voice last time), but he's still the best Bats we've seen yet IMO, and the less major cast change-ups the better, as far as I'm concerned. Then again I'm still pissed about Norton being booted from The Avengers (without his presence, that much ballyhooed "all star cast" isn't quite as starry) and would have been happy to see Brandon Routh have another crack at Superman.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:46 p.m. CST

    DAVID KELLEYYYY TV WARRIORRR

    by UGG

  • March 29, 2011, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Wait, DKR is 2012, JL in 2013...

    by TheKeenGuy

    ...and a Batman Reboot movie squeezed in between them? That doesn't sound right, unless they are planning breakneck production schedules, which will result in some pretty lousy films.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:47 p.m. CST

    How does Synder's Superman fit into all of this?

    by cinemixtape.com

    I highly doubt Warner Bros will let this go. They'll throw tens of millions of dollars at Bale (or a percentage of the gross) and let him choose a new director. He's really all they need to keep this juggernaut going. They're not going to reboot Batman in Justice League while they're beginning a new Superman franchise (in which Nolan is involved). It just won't happen. And if they do that, they'll deserve what they get. Personally, I hope that both Batman and Superman films rock the world next year and we finally get a Batman vs. Superman film that features Bale and Cavill.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Get George Miller back on board!

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    I really want to see what he had in store for JLA before the strike derailed him. Maybe a new JLA and a big DVD release will allow us to peek into his archives.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Uhm...

    by AlmightyBong

    I don't think so... Nolan won't do anything he will later destroy, so no... this will not happen. If it does, my respect for him will go from hero to zero...

  • Nolan's Batman wouldn't fit in a JLA movie. I'm guessing Green Lantern and Superman will be used as "prequels" to JLA the same way Thor and Captain America are being used to promote The Avengers. Remember Amanda Weller will be introduced in Green Lantern, and normally she is not part of the GL lore. I'm hoping the Batman in the JLA movie (IF it happens) is more like the Batman in the comics or the Dini/Timm Batman.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    by Dr. Egon Spengler

    That's all those Hollywood assholes see. A reboot already?! Fuck that.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST

    please stop

    by captzeep

    They will stop when people stop going to the damn reboots. I skipped the Spidermans and I'm skipping the Batmans. Give me something other than reheated leftovers for my $12, I'm not a rich man.

  • I don't get why people have a problem with keeping a character fresh. Its almost impossible to count the different directions DC has taken Batman in the comics.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    2013 for a Justice League movie is cutting it awfully close, though.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

  • March 29, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Not a DC guy so this does little for me

    by skycrapper

    However I would like to see a Batman movie that is in between Nolan verse and Burton verse though. Kind of like those Arkam Asylum games.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Tim Burton for the Reboot!

    by aphextwin

    And have Michael Keaton working his ass off to be as physically fit und buff as humanly possible

  • So, if I'm understanding it, at this point a Justice League film would introduce a new version of Batman to audiences, while likely including Cavill's Superman and Reynold's Green Lantern, plus... a bunch of other characters that audiences haven't been introduced to yet? So really, they don't even have an "Iron Man" sized hit to anchor the film with yet. And, if the JLA film didn't work, they'd risk plunging the Batman franchise right back into Schumacher territory right out of the gate. It's a bad idea. There's no way this doesn't feel like a desperate attempt to copy the Avengers at this point, and audiences will feel that they've seen it all before. They would be far better served to set up a "World's Finest" film with just Batman vs. Superman as their first step towards the Justice League. That could still feel like a fresh idea, and act as a nice set-up to a JLA sequel.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Cool

    by DigitalBeachWar

    Not to shocking but nice. This type of shit happens all the time in the comics so why not the movies?

  • March 29, 2011, 12:58 p.m. CST

    The word reboot in movie stories is starting to

    by Arteska

    create a genuine, unpleasant, psycho-physical reaction in me. When this feedback loop explodes it's going to be messy imo.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:58 p.m. CST

    How come when I reboot my computer,

    by sweeneydave

    it doesn't turn into something else? Am I rebooting incorrectly?

  • March 29, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST

    This word you keep saying....

    by sweeneydave

    I do not think it means what you think it means.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Great news

    by Chopper

    I'm actually glad to hear this. I was thinking the other day about this and Bale's Batman is not one I can imagine being in the Justice League or getting preachy with Superman. Batman is very opinionated of the corruption around him and not trusting of people with powers. Bale's Batman is not like this and is also very bulky and not the kind of Batman I imagine going toe to toe with meta human villains. He also is not nearly as crazy enough as the Batman character in modern comics. Nothing against Bale but his Batman belongs in another universe, one where his villains are more practical.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    kid idioteque: Superman doesn't fit into the Nolan films.

    by Playkins

    With the hyper-realism Nolan went for in TDK (which I feel was a departure from what he started in Batman Begins), Superman just wouldn't work. If he went so far as to make Ras Al-Ghul a pretty much regular guy devoid of a Lazarus pit, I don't see how an Alien-on-earth-as Superman would make it into that world.<P> I think if WB reboots Batman, it will be done in order to make a Batman/Superman film work contextually. Nolan's real error with his Batman film was painting himself into a corner. How are we supposed to believe something like Green Lantern or the Flash? How does that work with a "realistic" spin?

  • It's going to be very CGI-heavy

  • March 29, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    JJ Abrams for the Justice League movie!

    by THE_CHOPPAH

  • March 29, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Dini & Timm

    by FalconJones

    Dini & Timm should be running the DC movie universe if they are planning to follow the Marvel plan and team everyone up for a JL movie. It just seems so obvious. Warner Bros/DC is already set up so well for this - they own the movie rights to ALL their characters (unlike Marvel). Such a huge world to play in - and Dini & Timm have already proven they know how to do it.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST

    And another thing...

    by codecrackx15

    Zach Snyder is THE Director that will make Superman really Fly!!! So superman, Nolan's Batman, and Iron Man 3... the rest sound like shiat!!!!!!!!!!

  • March 29, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Obvious cash-cows...

    by AlmightyBong

    If Nolan is live action's Pixar, then these Batman films would be his Toy Story... There's a beginning, a middle and an end.... Surely they could write a gazillion version of the movies but it has to have an end... That's what makes a good franchise, no matter what the financial potential is. I hope for once that the studios would look beyond what they can cash in. Instead of re-rebooting the franchise, why not a TV series instead that Chris Nolan can produce? I hate it when studios feel they must have an answer to other studios' films... If this happens, then whatever solid universe Nolan has created would just be left in oblivion. It takes only one shitty film in the franchise to break it...

  • March 29, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    I'm all for a Reboot that leads to JLA

    by nexxus7

    While I wasn't a huge fan of Nolan's first Batman flick, it was pretty good, TDK is one of the best comic movies ever. Hopefully "Rises" will be as good or better. But I'm not sure how well this Batman would fit in with a team. So it might be better to reboot with a more comic-booky Batman, which I'm assuming would pair up better with a more comic-booky Superman that Snyder is working on. But I guess we'll see.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    They want to reboot batman for jl?

    by Smitty

    Why can't they just use the same Batman without rebooting his story? Nolan's done a great job lets not let his work go to waste when it comes to jl. it is good that'll he'll have input though.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    GREAT NEWS! Better Late than never I guess.

    by Thanos0145

    As a DC fan, this is great news but WB should've been doing this from the beginning. Batman needs to be rebooted to fit in a world where superpowered beings exist. I hope this Batman will be more badass than Nolan's. BRING ON DARKSEID!!!!!

  • March 29, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Cool. He finally rebuilds the mansion and gets a

    by UltraTron

    proper batcave with all the hi-tech gadgets. Then bane breaks his back and he goes into a coma and dies.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    So. F'ing sick of reboots

    by jbs9200

    I am so F'ing sick of reboots.

  • How the fuck is this possible? Is there a script or a gameplan already? Is the rebooted Batman movie coming out in May of 2013 with the Justice League movie coming in December of 2013? This doesn't seem possible.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST

    blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

    by crazybubba

    blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah! blah blah. blah blah blaaaaah blah....Dark Knight Rises. Thats all I heard is that there will be another Nolan Batman movie. Reboots suck.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST

    I'm with ya PapaBendi on George Millers JLA

    by MRJONZ72

  • March 29, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST

    in lighter news

    by the new transported man

    I watched Let Me In & The Next Three Days this past weekend, both were really good.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    I wonder how deep Bale will take his voice in this one?

    by LowDevil

  • March 29, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    So fucking stupid

    by Fat and Curious

  • March 29, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST

    is the new green lantern film

    by JAMF

    already part of the upcoming justice league universe or is that getting rebooted as well? coz if the gl movie is the tone they're going for we're all fucked.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:14 p.m. CST

    won't kill batman- will cripple him

    by zom-bot.com

    in either case (death or crippling) it will probably end with selena becoming catwoman (as honor, tribute or spin-off of bruce's batman) and that other chick becoming a robin-like character and the mantle of gotham avenging will sort of continue with them. place bets.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Comics only reboot in the Star Trek sense

    by Wormie1

    It's not true that comics reboot all the time. Marvel has had the same universe since the early 60s. The Ultimate Universe is separate , of course. DC's biggest reboot was in the mid-80s (Crisis on Infinite Earth) in which the creators took pains to explain why a whole new continuity had started. There should be absolutely no need to reboot Batman after TDKR. Nolan should wrap up his story, but leave the door open for other filmmakers to continue in their own style without having to say the previous movies never happened (which it was he did). As for Mr Robinov's assertion that movie and TV versions of Wonder Woman can exist concurrently, is it possible that Superman Returns' box office was hurt by the fact that Superman was on TV the same time in Smallville (which had closely followed Lois & Clark)? I think so.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Fuck this, how about Clint Eastwood for BATMAN BEYOND?

    by THE_CHOPPAH

  • March 29, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Before we all spit the dummy..

    by Loveinformant

    We should keep in mind that comics retell and "reset" our favourute characters all the time plus there are always one offs that give the mythologies a completely new spirit that are extremely successful. All star superman, all star batman, astonishing X-men are great examples of story arcs that don't follow the main arc. The beauty of this is that it shows comic and film studios realize the importance of trusting the directors vision for the story they intend to tell. There's a mistaken "law" that needs to be abolished and it's that Movies are the definitive representation of our comic characters. Which means that any interpretation that falls outside our experience and understanding of the character will not be accepted. The other mistake is the word "reboot" lets Call it a "new arc" and reduce the origin part if it's not required and use that time for more story! Everyone knows Batmans origin. I'm so thrilled that were getting all these comic movies and with great talent attached to them. If anything give me more than one batman story! Give me astonishing x men!

  • March 29, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST

    blah blah blah blah blah. New Arcs suck.

    by crazybubba

  • March 29, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST

    I think it's pretty clear that Bruce Wayne dies now.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

  • March 29, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST

    At least George Miller's version got canned

    by Samuel Fulmer

    That sounded terrible.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    My god you people are whining fucking bitches

    by Saracen1

    This mirrors how comic book stories work in their original medium. Look at how many characters get soft reboots. or alternity story arcs. Happens all the time. Nolan's input if anything is extra insurance against another Joel Schumacher-like atrocity being developed. I have no problems with this at all.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Sucks

    by grendel69

    Not interested in YET ANOTHER Batman reboot.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    I don't think they mean "reboot"

    by kikuchiyoboy

    They probably mean "changing of the guards". I see them going the way of the James Bond films, which would be awesome. Different directors and actors taking a crack at random story lines throughout the years of the comics. I'd be up for that. The "reboot" probably just the lead up to Justice League. But hopefully they'll go the Bond route afterwards. That would be pretty awesome.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

    by William

    Seriously, can anyone not see how much of a lame idea a Justice League movie is? It only works in cartoons and comics and even in THOSE mediums it barely works. Ya know why? Cause of how much more powerful all the other superheros(especially Superman) are than Batman. Batman just doesn't really fit in with that. It's always been totally weird.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST

    No more Batmen until we get a "Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers" movie.

    by WriteForTheEdit

    CG Fat Freddy's Cat, with voice by Jeff Bridges. Demand it.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST

    SPOILER the final seconds of the movie....leaked!

    by zom-bot.com

    a fallen batarang spins on a wing tip on a smooth floor....it swerves a little then BOOM..cut to black, cue score.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST

    They have to reboot anyway because of the Joker...

    by Chopper

    No way Nolan can use Batman's most iconic villain again with Heath Ledger being dead and all.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    You have the perfect take ever and you Reboot?

    by chien_sale

    Fuck you Warner!

  • March 29, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST

    declaring a reboot before the next movie is even out

    by smudgewhat

    is ghey. maximum ghey. as ghey as saying 'maximum ghey' which i recommend you never try.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Reboot with Micheal Keaton........

    by SmokieGeezer

    "I'm not wearing Hockey Pads!"

  • March 29, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    A 2013 Justice League movie makes absolutely no sense whatsoever....

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    .....especially if you're talking about squeezing another Batman reboot in between that and the Dark Knight Rises in 2012. There just isn't enough time. So they release TDKR in Summer 2012, they cast for the reboot and rush into production shortly after that. But that would only give them about 8 months from the Fall of 2012 to Spring 2013 for a early release allowing for a December 2013 release for a Justice League movie? That makes no scheduling or financial sense at all. And also, if they're following Marvel's template of tying all the properties together through their seperate movies, I can see them planting an Easter Egg in Snyder's Superman movie next year, but where the hell will they squeeze in the Flash and/or Wonder-Woman movies in between the Batman reboots? And of course, this also assumes that they've already planted an Easter Egg in Reynold's Green Lantern movie tying it to a larger JL movie universe (even though it didn't look like it in the trailers), unless they want to re-boot that as well before the JL movie (And from the looks of the trailer, they really might want to reboot it again). If WB are hoping for a 2013 Justice League movie, they're really pushing their luck. Their best bet would be to schedule it for Summer 2014, while trying to fit in all the other pieces (Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Batman Reboot) between the end of Nolan's TDKR in Summer 2012 and Summer 2014. That way t gives them a clear 2 years just like Marvel had 3 years between the first Iron Man and Hulk Reboot 2009 to their own Avengers movie in 2012.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Arkham Asylum movie, NOW!!!

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    with cgi Heath Joker!

  • March 29, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST

    This reboot is yet another omen of the ACHOPPAHlypse!

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Due to the current events in Japan and in the Middle East I think the subject of 2012 is of great importance RIGHT NOW. There is a great change occurring RIGHT NOW. And for those who understand and are at peace with the changes that are occurring and are to occur will find this shift miraculous beyond description. But for those who decide to ignore their inner calling and go about life as if nothing miraculous is transpiring right here and now, then all I can say to them is hold on because it's about to get uncomfortable. VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. It's not very hard to notice these changes if you just sit back and observe for just one minute. Everything unlike the nature of God, Christ, Spirit, higher self, CHOPPAH whatever term you have come to accept as the universal principle, (I personally like CHOPPAH Consciousness so that is what I'll use here), anything unlike the nature of the CHOPPAH Consciousness will no longer manifest or pretend to exist. The illusions of the ego, the non-CHOPPAH ego, are coming to a end ... FAST. This is why you are seeing the collapse of governments and financial systems, and dramatic shifts in weather systems. The only thing that is going to survive in this new age are systems that are based on CHOPPING and serving the growth of CHOP. You DO NOT have another decade to decide. NOW IS THE TIME! The ACHOPPAHlypse approacheth!

  • March 29, 2011, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Just do a live action version based on BTAS

    by Nerd Rage

    That's the only way you're going to outdo Nolan's trilogy.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST

    I want a Batman "Crisis" movie

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Where all the movie and TV Batmans meet to save the universe. Keaton Batman teaches Bale Batman a new Batman voice, Adam West laughs at Clooney Batman for being even more laughable, and overweight Kilmer Batman rips his Batman nipple suit in two trying to put it on.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST

    So what is the value of Nolan ending the trilogy...

    by moviemaniac-7

    ... only to help reboot Bats again? How will "Rises" be a definitive ending then? Still, looking forward to Batman, Superman and all that will follow. But I wonder when the superhero thing will burn out. Let's be honest, it's been a good 10, almost 11 years, counting from X-Men, but one day people will realize there's only so much superhero story you can tell. Don't get me started on how long the funny books have lasted, whole other medium...

  • March 29, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST

    There's only one way they can make a JLA type Batman....

    by Chopper

    and that's with lots and lots of CGI.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Skip straight to the musical, TURN ON THE DARK KNIGHT.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

  • March 29, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST

    I do NOT have a problem with this... why?

    by TDH1138

    This is the way of Comics. This is something that Comic fans are use to. Every few years, they reboot the Universe. DC, Marvel... it happens all the time. If it's TRUE that it will be a reboot in order to guide the films into a JLA film, I'm DEFINITELY all for it. And IF it's true Nolan's guidance will be there... I'm REALLY all for it!

  • March 29, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST

    The Avengers will suck, so....

    by xile1c

    why the hell is DC so hot and horny to do a Justice League? The superhero genre's going to wind up eating itself.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Just please let the Justice League movie be on par with TDK.

    by Cletus Van Damme

    If it's done horribly, it will murder the genre for a decade or so.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Revamped Batman will most likely appear in JLA first

    by aaron

    The same as Flash and Wonder Woman. If not, the timing between revamped Bats and JLA movie will be very close.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Nolan's input is going to be used for the reboot?

    by Nerd Rage

    Fuck that noise. Leave Nolan's influence in Nolan's trilogy. I liked Dark Knight but the franchise needs to be completely revamped after rises. Bring in Dini and Tim as producers, not Nolan. Two trilogies with Nolan's stamp is way too much.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:54 p.m. CST

    WTF??

    by NeonFrisbee

    They're planning a reboot before the 3rd one has even come out?? Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

  • They'd be able to do it right complete with Superman after this Justice League film. They can even use Dent and the Joker since its been rebooted.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST

    2013 is too soon for a reboot.

    by Nerd Rage

    or JLA movie. Someone doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Better look closely...

    by carlotta_valdes

    ...at the Green Lantern returns before you even consider attempting a live action Justice League.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    spire_walk...

    by UltimaRex

    Marv died. Rorschach died. How many times did you see James Bond die? How many times did you see John McClane die? Shut the fuck up and leave my CBM's alone.

  • March 29, 2011, 2 p.m. CST

    I have absolutely zero desire to see

    by vaterite

    a justice league movie.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Jump forward 5-10 years

    by vadakinX

    As the title says, jump forward a few years. Nolan's films are all about the first couple of years of Batman's career (TDK takes place just 10 months after Begins). So when Nolan is finished, I say have the next film take place a few years later with Batman in his prime. It can be a reboot with a new cast but the Begins trilogy can serve as a backstory without having to directly reference it or redo the origin again. Everyone knows who Batman is and what his origin is so the next set of films can follow on from that. So what's the next stage? Robin. Before you roll your eyes, hear (or should that be read?) me out. Rather than a single film that introduces Robin, do it over 3 films. Five years after the Nolan films, have a Batman who can never quit and has inspired more mad men to challenge him and create an unending cycle where the very existence of Batman has inspired criminals to further extremes and if Bruce were to quit being Batman Gotham would be plunged into chaos. He's a Batman who is losing faith in his mission that will never end. He becomes more and more consumed by the cape and cowl as Bruce Wayne disappears behind the mask, possibly forever. There is nothing else, just the mission. So where does Robin fit in? Well it's a subplot. In film one he's a teenager living on the streets, running drugs across the rooftops of Gotham for dealers, working for Tony Zucco (Batman fans will know the connection). He's Dick Grayson. A young circus performer who's parents were killed. He's now on the streets, using his gymnastic and free running skills to survive and work for drug dealers, delivering packages across the city. This brings him into contact with Batman. Bats catches him and he's placed in a group home but of course he gets out. This remains a subplot with Grayson's boss Zucco, working for someone like Black Mask or Penguin. Batman sees a lot of himself in Dick and volunteers to take him under his wing, at least until a permanent home can be found. Dick discovers the Bat Cave and sees a file on Batman's computer about Tony Zucco. Dick learns that Batman has found evidence that Zucco killed his parents and so Dick leaves to get revenge. Of course Batman ultimately stops him from killing Zucco and by the end of the film Bruce has adopted Dick as his ward. And that's it. All subplot. The second film in the "Robin" trilogy would again have Dick as a secondary character, basically leading to a point where Bruce agrees to train Dick after Dick initially tried to go out on his own and take on criminals. Dick is only about 16 or 17 at this stage. He calls himself "The Robin" and essentially tries to train himself on the streets when Bruce refuses to train him. At the end of the film Bruce relents and agrees to do so. There is of course a much larger plot going on around this. The third film would then have Dick in training with Bruce constantly telling him that he isn't ready. At this point Dick is 20 or 21. Bruce is only training Dick to keep him off the streets and when Joker escapes from Arkham with a group of dangerous criminals, Bruce risks descending further into darkness with Dick being the only thing keeping him from being completely consumed by Batman. Eventually Dick gets sick of waiting for Bruce to tell him he's ready and goes out on his own, as Robin. As Gotham falls into chaos, Dick saves Batman's life and Batman acknowledges that Dick is indeed ready to fight alongside him against the Joker and his criminal cohorts. So Batman and Robin fight together to save Gotham and by the end of the film Dick has left Robin behind and has become Nightwing. Batman isn't alone in his fight against crime any more and there is hope for the future of Gotham. I think that's how you do a Robin story. Space it out over 3 films and build to the end result gradually and in a way that is more credible...or at least as credible as it can be in a world where men dress up as bats to fight crime. And if you've actually read all this, sorry for wasting 10 minutes of your time :P

  • March 29, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    You have to reboot it.

    by Nerd Rage

    Nolan's leaving, it's over. Having someone else continue the Nolan-verse with all the good realistic characters exhausted is a bad idea.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Reboots get too much hate.

    by Nerd Rage

    There's alot of decent reboots: Incredible Hulk, Casino Royale, Batman Begins, Star Trek. It's remakes that mostly suck.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Let's all just clam down

    by ComSamVimes

    I think the idea is once Nolan tells his whole story (which I can't wait for!!) there will be an opportunity to move the character in the more supernatural direction. I love the Nolan-verse that is set up, but as a Bat-fan, I would like to some of the more "out-there" villains that just wouldn't fit in the recent movies. Again, I love the the Nolan flicks..more than what is probably healthy, but I am jonesing for a cool movie with Clayface or Killer Croc. Also, if Nolan doesn't do it, then another director might bring back Two-face (my fav!) and the joker. I guess I take this as an opportunity to make it more comic-booky..not really a reboot. of course if I have to sit through another origin story, I'll stab someone.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST

    This is the rumoured "no Superman, no Batman" JLA.

    by UltimaRex

    Nolan is producing MOS and most likely it's sequels. Nolan is producing Batman 4 onwards. Nolan hates the idea of JLA. Neither Superman or Batman will be in JLA '13. If it ever happens.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST

    also...

    by ComSamVimes

    I want a Kingdom Come movie. The budget would have to be HUGE

  • March 29, 2011, 2:06 p.m. CST

    I wish they'd just fire Snyder and have Nolan Helm Superman.

    by lcworld

    Given the mess Sucker Punch, that CG Owl movie and Watchmen(ok, some of you like it) are.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST

    It's about time DC & WB finally got their crap together....

    by EastcoastAvenger

    I've been ranting like an old man for a long time about how DC needs to get over their ridiculous need to have each super hero be exclusive to his respective universe! Finally, there may be light ahead for all of us that have been dreaming of these characters brought together on screen! I suppose the big money potential was too much for Warners to let slip by. Thank you Marvel for leading the way and showing that it can be done well. Great time for geekdom lads!

  • March 29, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Well it's KIND of surprising....

    by Jaster

    Since, you know, they so adamantly stated tehy were NOT going the Marvel route hardly a couple of months ago. They said something to the effect of "Our characters have lots of stories to tell and we don't need to lump them all together." But did we all know that was a load of shit? Pretty much, yeah.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST

    RANDOM SUCKER PUNCH THOUGHT OF DAY

    by BringingSexyBack

    I don't know if anyone has considered this yet. If someone already proposed this then sorrys. Some have wondered what happened to Rocket, because in the immediate fantasy, she was killed, but not so in real life. Here is my theory: She was raped by the chef (who had already tried to rape her before but was stopped by Baby Doll). Rocket was killed in the second level fantasy on the train with the bomb. They were fighting the robots onboard and trying to prevent the train from reaching the city and detonating. I mean, all the symbolism for rape is right there. The phallic train, robots as sperm, the failure to stop the explosion/orgasm ... amirite? So the chef did rape Rocket, and Baby Doll reacted with sadness and tears.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:13 p.m. CST

    I can't understand why they don't just do...

    by Johnny T Williams

    ... a James Bond kind of thing with these well-known characters. Just produce new Batman adventures in whatever universe, with whichever cast they see fit, every few years. I can't understand why superhero movies couldn't work that way, and why every time a new one comes out it has to be part of some sort of "re" something, "rebot", "reset", "remake", etc, etc. Just make Batman movies, same way you do James Bond movies. End of story.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:13 p.m. CST

    The next Joker should be....

    by DarthLizardKing

    Adrien Brody. He was born to play the role. A great actor, and physically perfect in every way. Honorable mentions: *Ryan Gosling *Joe Gordon Levitt *Michael Pitt *Ben Foster *Michael Imperlioli

  • March 29, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    WTF is Beaks talking about?

    by BruceVain

    "Once he's finished, the character will be rebooted (with Nolan's input), and, most likely, attached to a narrative that will lead to a JUSTICE LEAGUE movie in 2013." Except that the Hero Complex article doesn't anywhere suggest that the Bat reboot will come between 2012's DKR and a 2013 Justice League flick -- an idea that's ludicrous on its face. Jeez, AICN, do you even read the news you pilfer, much less make any effort to interpret it logically?

  • March 29, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST

    brucevain: King of the Wicker People, here, and I agree.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Beaks mis-read something, or someone else fucked up and he didn't bother to comment on it. Not a very critical reader, is he? It's pretty much impossible to rush out a Bats reboot between the 2012 TDKR release date and the Justice League release in 2013. Okay, maybe not impossible, but exceedingly difficult and potentially catastrophic. And yes, CHOPPAH is the actual King of the Wicker People.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Well, this means that Brandon Routh can return as Superman.

    by riskebiz

    Henry Cavill will be Superman in Nolan/Snyder's Man of Steel trilogy... that means Brandon Routh can return as Superman in the JUSTICE LEAGUE. He was given a rotten deal. They should do him a solid and give him back the role for JLA.

  • ...Batman is a symbol. As such, whatever becomes of Bruce Wayne at the end of TDKR, Batman will continue in the form of someone else. It is the lesson of Ras al Ghul and the way Nolan will bring the story full-circle.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Batman dies or is crippled in DK Rises? Not a chance.

    by Monolith_Jones

    No way would DC/Warner would let that happen. Besides that it would be a bad ending.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    My goals for 2011

    by Green

    1) Work hard and make 100 billion dollars. 2) Buy DC from Time Warner. 3) Actually make movies from DC properties other than Batman and Superman. Green Lantern doesn't count.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST

    JLA movie along the lines of Kingdom Come...

    by EastcoastAvenger

    Cast every conceivable DC character set in the foreseeable future. This avoids having to introduce everybody with an origins story. Then go back and tell their individual origins with their own movies. A Kingdom Come storyline would truly be an epic tale to be seen on screen.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST

    mr. nice gaius: You know, you may be on to something ...

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    What better way to link Nolan's Bat-films to the Justice League by having the symbol of the Batman carry on the fight against the LEAGUE of Shadows with a Justice LEAGUE ... Fuck, I hope that doesn't happen. Stop trying to be Marvel, DC!

  • March 29, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Brokebat Bane

    by cleetdog101

    End it with Bane snapping Batman back - perfect.

  • Right at it's fucking zenith? Doesn't sound like the best hand to play, but if Chris and Christian are insistant on corking the bottle and smashing it underfoot, that's the way it will be. I think it's probably the only way to go however because Nolan has not provided any way for the more fantastical elements of the character to be explored. As much as I love the real-life grittiness of Nolan's Batverse, I miss things like Killer Croc and Man-Bat and the fun adventure of the more fantasy-based stories. And NO I'm not talking abotu Schumacker's crap, I'm talking about the comics themselves. I want Hush, I want No Man's Land, I want The Dark Knight Returns, I want Asylum, etc. You could maybe do versions of those in the Nolanverse, but it would be weird versions. I prefer right-off-the-page versions. Except Joker can't break his own neck by turning his head cuz that's fucking retarded in any medium.

  • Beaks stop being a Misleading idiot! if u read the article it says Justice leauge will come out in 2013 A year after tdkr so JLA WILL COME FIRST! THEN REBOOTED BATMAN ur an asshole beaks so yeah JLA will come first and the script is already written by keiran mulroney!

  • March 29, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Bale's Batman could totally work with a DC Movie Universe

    by knightriderzen

    Superman is defined by Metropolis. And Wayne is identified with the more human, gritty realism of Gotham. Imagine the contrasting thematic significance of a human Batman matching wits with the otherworldly Kent. Bale and Gotham could do well with some modification. Which is what I sense is all that's going on if a Justice League movie is coming out in 2013, which I hope is the case. Bale and Cavill, alongside a Jolie WW. Nolan shouldn't fear the Marvel Way. Commandeer it and establish the pinnacle vision. A more gritty realistic Batman will make the audience think twice about the otherworldliness of other characters. e'll stand out and the people watching will be like, whoa there's a WASPi lookin alien, and some chick with a whip. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON. mindfuck

  • March 29, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST

    @bruecvain exactly beaks is a MOROn Obviously JLA Movie will be first

    by MerryHulkster

    Next batman will probably be 2014

  • March 29, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST

    I'm sorry. Lasso. Not Whip. Wonder Woman has a lasso.

    by knightriderzen

    duh

  • March 29, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    johnny t williams ... dude ...

    by Astronut

    you beat me to it. they should just James Bond these follow-ups... I do not think people want a retelling of each characters' origin in EVERY FREAKING REBOOT/RESET/RECYCLE ETC!!!

  • March 29, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Here's the problem...

    by PorkChopXpress

    Nobody gives a shit about the Justice League.

  • Make Batman a middle-aged superhero veteran who mentors the younger members of the Justice League. WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER REBOOT GODDAMMIT.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Here's hoping for The Dark Knight Returns in 10-15 years

    by Fievel

  • March 29, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight Rises: Batman hangs up the cowl.

    by thot

    Nolan has strongly hinted at it. I would love to see him do it. Bruce's goal from the start was very focused, i.e. to save Gotham City from the internal rot it has become plagued with. It hasn't been done before and would be very refreshing to see it done and done right. After all, even Batman deserves a decent retirement! As for Batman after Nolan,...I would like to see the franchise go in a very different direction without his involvement. "Too much of a good thing" is more than just a trite saying.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:39 p.m. CST

    by knightriderzen

    I'm just saying. Why reboot? WB must be just testingthe waters. The story as somebody pointed outis just getting started and we could get a lot worse than Bale. Put him up against Supes at least in a World's Finest movie directed by Nolan. Or the JL project that is as of right now just an idea.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST

    No reason for a reboot.....

    by BlackBriar

    Just continue the story! There is no need for a reboot, just find another awesome director for Batman 4. get new actors if so. Absolutely no need, I really hope they abandon this stupid idea.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    2013 Justice League movie will never happen...

    by TKO

    ...we all know the world ends in 2012, AH-DUH!

  • March 29, 2011, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Batman's origin doesn't take THAT long to tell.

    by cookylamoo

    It took about 58 seconds in the Tim Burton version.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST

    tko: Right you are.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Due to the current events in Japan and in the Middle East I think the subject of 2012 is of great importance RIGHT NOW. There is a great change occurring RIGHT NOW. And for those who understand and are at peace with the changes that are occurring and are to occur will find this shift miraculous beyond description. But for those who decide to ignore their inner calling and go about life as if nothing miraculous is transpiring right here and now, then all I can say to them is hold on because it's about to get uncomfortable. VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. It's not very hard to notice these changes if you just sit back and observe for just one minute. Everything unlike the nature of God, Christ, Spirit, higher self, CHOPPAH whatever term you have come to accept as the universal principle, (I personally like CHOPPAH Consciousness so that is what I'll use here), anything unlike the nature of the CHOPPAH Consciousness will no longer manifest or pretend to exist. The illusions of the ego, the non-CHOPPAH ego, are coming to a end ... FAST. This is why you are seeing the collapse of governments and financial systems, and dramatic shifts in weather systems. The only thing that is going to survive in this new age are systems that are based on CHOPPING and serving the growth of CHOP. You DO NOT have another decade to decide. NOW IS THE TIME! The ACHOPPAHlypse approacheth!

  • March 29, 2011, 2:50 p.m. CST

    I predict Nolan is going to mess with things to close his trilogy

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    First, we might not see a Batcave in Rises. And maybe Wayne Manor isn't rebuilt. (I could easily see Bruce Wayne donating his family's estate to Gotham for a city park.) There may not even be a new Batmobile in this -- I've heard rumors of another Wayne Industries concept vehicle appearing, instead, a mini "Bat Tank" (an homage to the Bat Tank in The Dark Knight Returns?) that appears for one climatic scene. Lastly, I could see Afred getting killed off in Rises, which could be a major reason why Bruce quits. The reason why I could see stuff like this happening: It looks like Nolan (and his brother and Goyer) have been purposely de-constructing popular elements from the Batman mythos (the Batmobile vs. Tumbler, Batcave vs. Bat Bunker, burning down Wayne Manor). So the other elements I could see them taking down in Rises are Alfred and Wayne Industries.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Where the hell is my...

    by Laughing Irishman

    ...Green Arrow Movie! Give me a nice gritty Green Arrow movie in the Mike Grell style, or hell, the Kevin Smith iterations. AND if they really wanna do a JLA/Supes/Bats kind of thing, they should do Blackest Night to Brightest day, releasing movies like they release comics. Over-saturate the bitch.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST

    All reboot means is that it has nothing to do with the previous movies.

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

    I see how the word triggers a reaction, but quit all the cryin! I'm glad to see Nolan finish his run properly. It's good to have a new style and new continuity every once in a while instead of beating the same horse.

  • March 29, 2011, 3 p.m. CST

    Ign got see 40 minutes of...

    by shaft478

    cowboys and aliens! You suck harry

  • March 29, 2011, 3 p.m. CST

    It probably won't be an origin story anyway.

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

    Nolan's entire run is an origin story.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Justice League movie

    by jimmy_009

    Will be lame. Batman doesn't belong in a universe where there are real superpowers. Stupid. Always has been.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST

    ADAM WEST FOR THE REBOOT!!!!

    by marineboy

    Give us what the fans really want - the elderly Batman of Millers Dark Knight!!!

  • March 29, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Astronut

    by Johnny T Williams

    I guess a lot of it will really depend on how the new Spiderman does, but I can't think of why this wouldn't work. I get the necessity to explain the origins of less-known characters, but everybody knows who Batman is. Just film new stories, and get a new cast/creative team behind it as you see fit. It's worked for 40 years with the James Bond franchise and they keep making money off of it. And that considered that, if you think about it, James Bond isn't as malleable a character as Batman is. On the subject of JLA, I don't think Warners should try to duplicate Marvel. Just film a Justice League movie, an awesome one, independent of the rest. If it works, maybe work with each of the characters in that version individually. If it doesn't you move on and figure out what could work. What Marvel is doing is a gigantic gamble that's still building upon the success of the first Iron Man. The only reason this version of the Avengers will work is because Iron Man worked (and hopefully because Thor and CA will work as well). Warnes should just skip all that hassle. Get a great creative team, great actors and make a kick-ass Justice League movie, X-Men style. My 2 cents

  • Is that REALLY how Nolan wants his Batman to be remembered? Because that's what will happen if Bane cripples or kills him.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST

    thanks ahole, glad you enjoyed 'maximum ghey'.

    by smudgewhat

    that is also a sentence one doesn't utter often.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST

    I read the script

    by mooseaka

    It ends with a climactic battle between Batman and the Joker, who has cloned himself into thousands of copies. They fight on a long street in Gotham with rain pouring down - the streets lined with rows upon rows of Jokers. Batman defeats the Joker with a super-punch, but has to die to win the battle. The movie ends with an overhead shot of machines carrying Batman's corpse, which suddenly bursts into light in the shape of a cross. Then the Oracle and the Architect meet on the grass and play hopscotch with a little girl.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST

    So Rebooting new thing now?

    by Wcwlkr

    So we won't get continuations anymore? What's wrong with that? I mean does everything have to be rebooted now? So I guess after Iron Man 3 there'll be a reboot of that character. I mean if the next Batman movies forgoes the Origin and just takes place with Batman already established in Gotham I'm good with that. Otherwise I'm already sick of the Reboots.

  • And that is what we don't need for Batman. Maybe someday further in the future, a few decades into the future, a new generation will need to see Batman rebooted totally -- with a retelling of his origin and a younger lead. But we don't need that after Rises. We don't need a new retelling of Batman's origins with a young actor. Let's just move on after Nolan's trilogy with an older actor in the role, and Warner Bros./DC should assume the general audience is already well-versed with Batman's origin. Yes, I agree that a new take on Batman should go into a new artistic ground (taking on the more supernatural and fantastical elements from the Batman comics, for example). I totally agree with this. My point is -- stop retelling what is essentially the same goddamn origin stories! The general movie-going audience is not *that* stupid! Look at the numerous James Bond movies over the decades -- they did not reboot Bond's origin every time a new actor stepped into the role, and they did not cast ever younger actors in that role. Warner Bros./DC should take the same approach with Batman for the time being. Cast an older actor in the role -- PLEASE ALLOW Batman/Bruce Wayne to age, mature! (And this would help allow Robin to be more plausibly introduced.) It should be said for now that Nolan's trilogy depicted Batman and his main villains in their younger years at the start, origin of their drama. So let these characters evolve and grow under a new creative direction. Not under a fixed continuation (like, if Alfred dies in Rises that doesn't mean he cannot appear in a Justice League movie), just one that implies continuity but one that is not held absolutely to the Nolan trilogy.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    ultimarex

    by spire_walk

    Yes Rohrshach (supporting character) died in a movie that was considered unsuccessful and was ridiculed by fans and critics alike. I loved Watchmen, but it was a one shot kind of thing. Marv? Never heard of him. Don't you think these two characters are the exceptions that make the rule? Meanwhile, Spiderman, Batman, Superman, Iron Man, et al will always be safe, PG-rated 90 minute toy commercials. There's no drama or danger... that's why you get the random homage like Watchmen where the hero dies and there is drama, because every now and again you find a true lover of comics who isn't out to create a cash cow movie franchise that's rights can be sold to Mattel. "How many times did you see James Bond die?" Fuck James Bond. "How many times did you see John McClane die?" And fuck John McClane too. There hasn't been a good Die Hard film since the original. Let's talk about The Terminator franchise, where Arnold died in every movie he appeared in. Also, in the first Terminator film, Reese dies for fuck's sake. That's why that movie is fucking immortal, because when you watch it for the first time, you're not entirely certain Sarah will survive. It wasn't some safe, cushy PG production. The movie wasn't written from the ground up to sell merchandise, so James Cameron did not owe anyone at a studio recurring characters. That was his call. "Hey Sony Pictures, I have this great script about Spiderman where he makes the ultimate sacrifice for humanity and dies to save his loved ones!" or... "I have this other script where Mary Jane dies at the end." Yeah, that'll be the fucking day. Sorry, Comic Book Movies may be good from time to time, but they are rarely great. Even TDK pulled its punches a little.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    And hey, I want a fucking Batman Beyond movie!

    by Jaster

    They started developing one 10 fucking years ago and rightfully abandoned it once Nolan came on board, but since he's leaving now....

  • March 29, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns

    by Ripper99

    Nobody is going to want a new Batman film too soon, except the suits of course. They should wait five years...let people miss him, then get Darren Aronofsky to do a 2 picture arc with the Dark Knight Returns. Get the older Batman, someone grizzled who could play that. No more origin films....Batman Begins is respected enough. I have a feeling, unless the new Spiderman movie is anything less than spectacular, it is going to bomb. The other Spiderman films are too fresh in our memory. If Batman can do a five year waiting period between each story arc...then he might outlast everyone else.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:23 p.m. CST

    I still want to see that noir Batman...

    by tang126

    With the "Sky Captain"/"300"/"Sin City" look (not afraid to look pulp-y or like a comic book. I see it in my head, and it's so snazzy. Almost like the first season of that Bruce Timm animated stuff brought to life, and run through the 40's retro filter (like those older scenes from "Watchmen"). Just once, so I can say I've seen it. :) We've had TV show campy Batman, Tim Burton quirky Batman and Christopher Nolan "gritty realism" Batman. Fine. That's covered a lot of ground...West, Keaton, Kilmer, Clooney and Bale all donning the mask/suit and doing their take on the character. I think it's time for a comic-embracing, stylish - BUT serious/straight (no camp, no Burton quirk) - approach. I know it'll never happen. But it should.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    End of Harry Potter in 2011

    by mr_bellamy

  • March 29, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST

    End of Batman in 2012

    by mr_bellamy

    Could this be the end of WB's reign???

  • March 29, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST

    You do realize Aranofsky very nearly DESTROYED Batman right?

    by Jaster

    Batman wouldn't even have a batsuit, just a potato sack on his head like Jason Fucking Voorhees. Gordon would be a drunken philanderer and Alfred was a jive-talking black man. Oh and Catwoman was a hooker! Ummmmm.......NO FUCKING THANK YOU!

  • March 29, 2011, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Maybe Hollywood Should Just Stop Completely

    by NeonFrisbee

    I'd be perfectly fine if Hollywood shut down all big-deal tent-pole productions and started opening the door to smaller films with better writing and acting. It's like they've been trying to re-capture that Star Wars lightning-in-a-bottle for, what, 30 or so years? And failing, over and over and over again. Maybe it's time to stop. Stop all of it. Burn down the whole thing and start over from scratch. It certainly couldn't hurt. And maybe could usher in a New Renaissance in American filmmaking. It'll never happen, of course, there's too much coke and money involved with these assholes. They're gonna keep cranking out shit and shoveling it down our throats until the Sun dies, or we blow ourselves up. (Either of which seems just as likely these days. The End Times, as it were.)

  • March 29, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST

    I'm all about Batman dying or being maimed at the end of TDKR.

    by spire_walk

  • March 29, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Great another reboot.

    by MisterMxyzptlk

    Can I just get a Justice League film without a lead in. I mean, with the proper set up and narrative, even if you have never heard of Aqua-man, Jonn Jonnz or Green lantern before, you'll figure it out as the film goes along. Just start making some films maybe based off of the strongest source materials from the characters. Batman: The Cult or fuck, I dunno, that small little Kingdom Come book. It's time for DC to let the audience grow up.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Who's Gonna Pay For The Coke And Ferraris When The Tentpoles Die?

    by NeonFrisbee

    That's why WB is nervous and/or outraged.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Agreed chewtoy.

    by MisterMxyzptlk

    In fact I would go a step further and have DC and WB relax on the idea that they will not be able to compete (at this time) against The Avengers. They would be better off serving to the notion that being number 2 has it's promise. They should start working on a trilogy adapted from Kingdom Come. Make an epic story centred around this graphic novel and take ones time.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Nolan will evolve this Batman into his Justice League production.

    by dailysportspages

    He is producing Superman, and its possible that WB wants him to take over production of a Green Lantern sequel after the lukewarm reception GL is having. So that would give him 3 of the main JL members, add the Flash and WonderWoman and you have a team. In this next Batman movie have Levitt play Azrael and challenge Batman over the role of protector of Gotham. You can have the Bale Batman become completely crippled towards the end of the movie from Banes attack, leaving Azrael to take on the mantle of Batman. With the help of Bruce Wayne's strategies Azrael is able to defeat Bane. But Azrael takes it a step further and kills Bane, hinting at the darker side to his nature. Now the Justice League movie picks up many years later. The movie serves as sort of a second origin for Batman. Being bedridden has taken a lot of the steam out of Wayne, and his physical condition is of course in tatters. But he uses his wealth to find the worlds foremost expert in spinal surgery, funding her research and using himself as a guinea pig. He also uses the time to have a massive surveillance system built up to help monitor the crime situation in Gotham in order to continue helping the police. Eventually taking his system global by launching a satellite system in order to monitor the entire world. And that is how Bruce Wayne notices the goings on of Superman, WonderWoman, the Flash, and countless other costumed vigilantes that fight crime and thwart evil. By this time he has regained his mobility and is no longer paralyzed. It takes him a year of rehab to get back into shape. Even bringing in the talents of Lady Shiva to help him sharpen his fighting skills. Unfortunately the strain of an man in his mid 50's training so hard and fighting whatever incredible battle he has to fight in the Justice League movie results in Batman having a massive heart attack and all but die. Just in time for Talia al Ghul to whisk him away to her father and his Lazarus Pit. Batman comes back younger, in his prime, and ready to continue defending Gotham City now that the Joker has been let out of jail. Aged Batman: Stephen Lang Rejuvenated Batman: Sean Faris Aged Joker: Robert Knepper In JL Batman serves as the leader of the team, the man in charge of putting them together, and the chief tactician. As Superman comes more into his own Batman turns a lot of the leadership of the team to Supes and his obvious physical gifts. The rejuvenated Batman is then used in the next Batman trilogy. To fight the old Joker as well as all of the unused Batman rogues. This way its not a reboot, but a continuation of the Nolanverse, just with a little touch of the fantastical thrown in.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST

    You know what?

    by cushing1967

    All the mentions of Michael Keaton has made me think it might be interesting if Tim Burton made Batman Beyond set in an evolved version of his Gotham and Keaton as Bruce Wayne (probably a bit too young yet) Okay, I'll wait for 10 years.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST

    mattman

    by Billy_D_Williams

    "Brett Ratner has NEVER achieved a memorable, iconic image, as Nolan has repeatedly. For example: http://c0181321.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/PH3Sh963SfKa64_1_m.jpg" So its the joker leaning out the window of a moving car....so what? heath ledger is doing it, Wally Pfister is lighting it, some stunt guy is driving the car. anyone can put together these elements. but what im talking about is elevating the general to the extraordinary in camera blocking/movement, telling a story in your setups... which Nolan is not very good at and what one needs to be considered a great director. Spielberg/Zemeckis/Fincher/Verhoven/Welles/Scorsese's setups (aka where the camera is/moves in relation to the actors during a scene)....they block the actors to the camera and the camera to the actors like a balletic union...that takes extreme skill to pull off and tell a story with just your camera blocking...Nolan just seems to shoot a bunch of stuff and push the story through editing, chopping things up more. This is the mark of an amateur. Dont get me wrong, I like Nolan, he's good, but not great...and i just dont understand the fanwank orgasms this guy seems to get. Look at the way Spielberg shot Jaws, or Verhoven Robocop...as an example, during the first board room scene...the camera starts on the three guys talking shit about Jones, the camera tracking back with them as they enter the board room, Bob even steps in front of the third guy, the one who gets turned into hamburger by ED 209, foreshadowing his death by visually trying to stop him from entering the room fully...the black guy whispers to Bob to be quiet as the camera pans with the black guy, picking up Jones and the old man walking in the other direction, the camera now changing direction and tracking back with them in the other direction, creating tension in the frame...camera stays with the old man as he sits and tracks around him, revealing the entire room and the staff, while revealing the new Delta City model off in the corner, which is situated in half the frame now, the executives in the background looking at it with awe, while the old man speaks about the new city...in one shot, the camera has set up the conflict between Bob and Jones, foreshadowed the third guy's death by ED 209, created a geography of the whole room, and introduced Delta city all IN ONE SINGLE CaMERa SETUP...that is skill and Nolan doesn't have it...thats what makes a great director...he tells not only the overall story during the running time, but he tells the story in his individual camera setups creating a symbiotic relationship between the tangible visual element, and the intangible story element, making the movie FEEL more resonant. Its why movies today dont feel the same, its because directors dont know how to shoot movies anymore. they rely on lighting and editing, almost a pantomime of the real thing...and not using the camera the way its begging to be used. Ill even give you another example. In Jaws, during the scene where Brody So its the joker leaning out the window of a moving car....so what? heath ledger is doing it, Wally Pfister is lighting it, some stunt guy is driving the car. anyone can put together these elements. but what im talking about is elevating the general to the extraordinary in camera blocking/movement, telling a story in your setups... which Nolan is not very good at and what one needs to be considered a great director. Spielberg/Zemeckis/Fincher/Verhoven/Welles/Scorsese's setups (aka where the camera is/moves in relation to the actors during a scene)....they block the actors to the camera and the camera to the actors like a balletic union...that takes extreme skill to pull off and tell a story with just your camera blocking...Nolan just seems to shoot a bunch of stuff and push the story through editing, chopping things up more. This is the mark of an amateur. Dont get me wrong, I like Nolan, he's good, but not great...and i just dont understand the fanwank orgasms this guy seems to get. Look at the way Spielberg shot Jaws, or Verhoven Robocop...as an example, during the first board room scene...the camera starts on the three guys talking shit about Jones, the camera tracking back with them as they enter the board room, Bob even steps in front of the third guy, the one who gets turned into hamburger by ED 209, foreshadowing his death by visually trying to stop him from entering the room fully...the black guy whispers to Bob to be quiet as the camera pans with the black guy, picking up Jones and the old man walking in the other direction, the camera now changing direction and tracking back with them in the other direction, creating tension in the frame...camera stays with the old man as he sits and tracks around him, revealing the entire room and the staff, while revealing the new Delta City model off in the corner, which is situated in half the frame now, the executives in the background looking at it with awe, while the old man speaks about the new city...in one shot, the camera has set up the conflict between Bob and Jones, foreshadowed the third guy's death by ED 209, created a geography of the whole room, and introduced Delta city all IN ONE SINGLE CaMERa SETUP...that is skill and Nolan doesn't have it...thats what makes a great director...he tells not only the overall story during the running time, but he tells the story in his individual camera setups creating a symbiotic relationship between the tangible visual element, and the intangible story element, making the movie FEEL more resonant. Its why movies today dont feel the same, its because directors dont know how to shoot movies anymore. they rely on lighting and editing, almost a pantomime of the real thing...and not using the camera the way its begging to be used. Ill even give you another example. In Jaws, during the scene where Brody and Hooper are trying to convince the mayor to close the beaches...the shot starts on the three men walking toward camera from a long shot and stopping in a medium three shot, with the mayor placed in between the two men, implying the squeeze he's feeling as the mayor...they explain how dangerous the shark is...as Hooper starts to explain how big the tooth is he pulled from the boat he steps to the right of the mayor and alongside Brody being placed in an over the shoulder shot with the mayor and Brody off to the side...as the mayor asks for the tooth and starts talking about profits, Brody circles around him like a shark wanting to devour a prey, then the mayor starts to move away from the men, who follow him, and the camera continues to track with them...Brody gets fed up and steps away out of frame, visually implying he's given up, but Hooper and the mayor remain in a tracking two shot, and as Hooper pleads with the mayor about the shark, the billboard advertising amity island beach is revealed in the background, with a graffiti'd shark fin stalking a pretty girl. the camera stops as it reaches Brody, again placing him back into the frame, as if Spielberg is saying "you can't get away, you have to deal with this", and Brody is also placed against the billboard against the water and the shark, foreshadowing his inevitable confrontation with the creature and his fear of water, the camera picking him back up and placing him smack dab in the middle of his fears in what is now a medium three shot, as the mayor points out the vandalism. not only that, but Brody is placed directly on the word "welcome" in the phrase "amity welcomes you", suggesting he is being welcomed into the ocean to face his fear... Hooper, fed up steps away from the men and into the background of the shot as the mayor gets closer to the camera as it tilts up to him, placing him in a low angle making him bigger than the other men trapped now in the lower end of the frame, very small...Brody has stepped back with Hooper to convince him to not give up...this distance between the two men and the mayor creates tension in the frame and makes a statement about the mayor being the bigger fish and calling the shots, and also the mayor has turned away from the billboard, implying he doesnt care about the shark, or the girl its about to devour, while Brody and Hooper have gotten closer to the billboard, suggesting they do care...now they approach the mayor again...being also placed in the low angle with him, becoming big too, suggesting they're stepping up to the challenge...Hooper explains the shark being an eating machine, but now the mayor thinks he just wants to be in national geographic, so he leaves the frame, breaking the tension finally and suggesting the matter is finished...Brody goes after the mayor, leaving the frame and leaving Hooper all alone as he steps back closer to the billboard, showing he's the only one committed to stopping this problem because the mayor doesnt want to do it, and Brody is afraid of water...WHEW...its ONE SINGLE SHOT, and it lasts for three minutes, and not only has Spielberg placed several camera setups in ONE SINGLE SHOT (i counted at least 7 or 8 setups in one shot), he has told some story, advanced character, and foreshadowed future events in one single setup, all at 27 years old...that is truly amazing...Welles had the same raw, virtuoso talent as well...now someone like Nolan would have shot several different angles and edited them all together because he's not skilled enough to do what Spielberg did. PERIOD. Nolan is good, but he is not great. I cannot find a single moment in any one of his films where he displays the kind of talent i just described between Verhoven and Spielberg...

  • March 29, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST

    neonfrisbee

    by Johnny T Williams

    I was thinking the same thing. Maybe the whole idea of superhero films as $150 million, giant tentpole films should go away and give way to smaller, more flexible films. Everyone saw what $30 mil and a guy like Bloomkamp can do. D9 had fucking aliens in it, and it looked and felt just as epic as any $100 million movie. A character like Batman can be so flexible, it's such a long-lasting, diverse character, that they could do anything with it, and not necessarily spend a huge fortune to get it made. Batman and Robin wouldn't have been such a dissapointment (financially, for the studio) if they had spent $50-70 mil for it instead of $140.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    should do an older bruce willis batman story

    by Melanie Griffiths Sour Patch

    To break from the continuity of the current Nolan Batmans, WB should get a Bruce Willis/Tom Cruise/Rusell Crowe type to do an older Batman story where he is facing the end of his life. You get to see familiar characters in it and where they ended up in the Batman universe and it would be a big mental break from the Bale Batman. Going with a young Batman immediately after Bale is a mistake. After you tell a one off or 2 part older Batman saga, you can actually give rise to the new younger Batman who could be a son or a character introduced in the older Batman movies who takes on the mantle. Batman doesn't always have to Bruce Wayne. Bruce's story has been done to death. He doesn't even have to be a Wayne for that matter. Take the concept of the King Conan movie where they introduce a younger star as they bury Arnold. That would be the way I'd take the franchise. And it's too bad Clint Eastwood is too old for this shit because he would make a kick ass old Batman. It's also too bad Mel Gibson is a lunatic racist because he'd also crush the part of an older Batman. I actually think Bruce Willis could be sensational in this kind of role with a director he would respect and listen to.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    johnny t williams

    by NeonFrisbee

    Yep, that's what I'm thinking. I mean, I wasn't a *huge* fan of D9, but it was definitely a good movie, was a hit, and cost a fraction of what these Big Deal Tentpoles cost. I think more focus should go in that direction, and less on these Zillion Dollar Whatevers.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Yeah, gotta strongly suspect Bane breaking Batman's back

    by Jaster

    A movie with Bane in it that is said to be the end of Batman? Either that's one fuck of a coincidence or he gets his back broke. As long as they don't introduce the gay-tastic Azriel!

  • March 29, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    mattman (sorry, disregard my last post, i copy pasted it twice)

    by Billy_D_Williams

    "Brett Ratner has NEVER achieved a memorable, iconic image, as Nolan has repeatedly. For example: http://c0181321.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/PH3Sh963SfKa64_1_m.jpg" So its the joker leaning out the window of a moving car....so what? heath ledger is doing it, Wally Pfister is lighting it, some stunt guy is driving the car. anyone can put together these elements. but what im talking about is elevating the general to the extraordinary in camera blocking/movement, telling a story in your setups... which Nolan is not very good at and what one needs to be considered a great director. Spielberg/Zemeckis/Fincher/Verhoven/Welles/Scorsese's setups (aka where the camera is/moves in relation to the actors during a scene)....they block the actors to the camera and the camera to the actors like a balletic union...that takes extreme skill to pull off and tell a story with just your camera blocking...Nolan just seems to shoot a bunch of stuff and push the story through editing, chopping things up more. This is the mark of an amateur. Dont get me wrong, I like Nolan, he's good, but not great...and i just dont understand the fanwank orgasms this guy seems to get. Look at the way Spielberg shot Jaws, or Verhoven Robocop...as an example, during the first board room scene...the camera starts on the three guys talking shit about Jones, the camera tracking back with them as they enter the board room, Bob even steps in front of the third guy, the one who gets turned into hamburger by ED 209, foreshadowing his death by visually trying to stop him from entering the room fully...the black guy whispers to Bob to be quiet as the camera pans with the black guy, picking up Jones and the old man walking in the other direction, the camera now changing direction and tracking back with them in the other direction, creating tension in the frame...camera stays with the old man as he sits and tracks around him, revealing the entire room and the staff, while revealing the new Delta City model off in the corner, which is situated in half the frame now, the executives in the background looking at it with awe, while the old man speaks about the new city...in one shot, the camera has set up the conflict between Bob and Jones, foreshadowed the third guy's death by ED 209, created a geography of the whole room, and introduced Delta city all IN ONE SINGLE CaMERa SETUP...that is skill and Nolan doesn't have it... thats what makes a great director...he tells not only the overall story during the running time, but he tells the story in his individual camera setups creating a symbiotic relationship between the tangible visual element, and the intangible story element, making the movie FEEL more resonant. Its why movies today dont feel the same, its because directors dont know how to shoot movies anymore. they rely on lighting and editing, almost a pantomime of the real thing...and not using the camera the way its begging to be used. Ill even give you another example. In Jaws, during the scene where Brody and Hooper are trying to convince the mayor to close the beaches...the shot starts on the three men walking toward camera from a long shot and stopping in a medium three shot, with the mayor placed in between the two men, implying the squeeze he's feeling as the mayor...they explain how dangerous the shark is...as Hooper starts to explain how big the tooth is he pulled from the boat he steps to the right of the mayor and alongside Brody being placed in an over the shoulder shot with the mayor and Brody off to the side...as the mayor asks for the tooth and starts talking about profits, Brody circles around him like a shark wanting to devour a prey, then the mayor starts to move away from the men, who follow him and the camera continues to track with them...Brody gets fed up and steps away out of frame, visually implying he's given up, but Hooper and the mayor remain in a tracking two shot, showing how resilient Hooper is, and as Hooper pleads with the mayor about the shark, the billboard advertising amity island beach is revealed in the background, with a graffiti'd shark fin stalking a pretty girl...the camera stops as it reaches Brody, placing him back into the frame, as if Spielberg is saying "you can't get away, you have to deal with this", and Brody is also placed against the billboard against the water and the shark, foreshadowing his inevitable confrontation with the creature and his fear of water, the camera picking him back up and placing him smack dab in the middle of his fears in what is now a medium three shot as the mayor points out the vandalism, not only that, but Brody is also placed directly on the word "welcome" in the phrase "amity welcomes you", suggesting he is being welcomed into the ocean to face his fear... Hooper, fed up steps away from the men and into the background of the shot as the mayor gets closer to the camera as it tilts up to him, placing him in a low angle making him bigger than the other men smaller in the lower part of the frame...Brody has stepped back with Hooper to convince him to not give up...this distance between the two men and the mayor creates tension in the frame and makes a statement about the mayor being the bigger fish and calling the shots, and also the mayor has turned away from the billboard, implying he doesnt care about the shark, or the girl its about to devour, while Brody and Hooper have gotten closer to the billboard, suggesting they do care, now the approach the mayor again...being also placed in the low angle with him, suggesting they're stepping up to the challenge...Hooper explains the shark being an eating machine, but now the mayor thinks he just wants to be in national geographic, so he leaves the frame, breaking the tension finally and visually suggesting the matter is finished...Brody goes after the mayor, leaving the frame and leaving Hooper all alone as he steps back closer to the billboard, showing he's the only one committed to stopping this problem...WHEW...its ONE SINGLE SHOT, and it lasts for three minutes, and not only has Spielberg placed several camera setups in ONE SINGLE SHOT (i counted at least 7 or 8 setups in one shot), he has told some story, advanced character, and foreshadowed future events in one single setup, all at 27 years old...that is truly amazing...Welles had the same raw, virtuoso talent as well...the visuals tell just as much a story in the frame as the dialogue. now someone like Nolan would have shot several different boring angles and edited them all together in a mish mash because he's not skilled enough to do what Spielberg and Verhoven did. PERIOD. Nolan is good, but he is not great. I cannot find a single moment in any one of his films where he displays the kind of talent i just described between Verhoven and Spielberg...

  • March 29, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Dini and Timm

    by garybuseys_incisors

    I wholeheartedly agree that they need to be in charge of the DC movie universe.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Reboot based upon Nolan's universe.. I think I know what happens

    by HornOrSilk

    We meet Robin who becomes Batman at the end.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Nolan learned from Raimi's Spider-Man 3

    by georgecauldron

    SM3 suffered from severe producer meddling and Raimi took all the blame. Nolan made absolutely sure that he would make the final Batman just the way he wants. He said no to 3D and whatever else the producers pushed on him. They can't refuse him because the fans would leave the franchise with Nolan. This movie will be great. I hope that it not only sends off Batman but sends off most superhero movies as well. As for a reboot, meh.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Oh dear sweet fuzzy lord...STOP REBOOTING

    by wcolbert

    Just STOP it. I'm with most of you on that. First they try to reboot Spiderman with some doofy looking kid only a few years after the last film, as if there was anything THAT horribly wrong with the recent Spiderman films we've had- it's not like it was Ang Lee's HULK.... now Batman AND Superman (fuck your british fugface, Routhe was the one good thing going for Returns and you think we're too stupid to discern that this will be a new story arc just because it has the same actor).... ? Come up with an original god damned idea. Stop re-telling, re-hashing, and stop trying to put your own little directorial twist on things, Hollywood. Every time a director thinks he has a novel idea that will 'breath new life' into something, it invariably beats it's lifeless corpse into the ground. Christ. If you simply must reboot something, how about some franchise that hasn't been touched in 15 or 20 years, not 3 or 5 years. I hope all of these idiotic endeavors bomb horribly and these morons lose their jobs.

  • March 29, 2011, 4 p.m. CST

    billy_d_williams: Thank you for that!

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Finally, someone has the BALLS on these boards to rip Nolan the Genius Visionary a new asshole when it comes to film aesthetics. It's like Nolan WANTS to create iconic images but gets caught up in "blender" narrative, often for no reason. Have you read any of Jim Emerson's takes on the Nolan's direction?

  • March 29, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST

    The balls and the acumen, I should add.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    billy_d_williams, you are an honorary CHOPPAH for the day.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:02 p.m. CST

    As long as they keep Chrisitna Bale, I'm in.

    by Mike_D

  • March 29, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    turd_has_risen_from_the_gravy: Agreed.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    He made the "extra" effort to give Devin a reacharound and a free link, but failed to offer a critical reading of the initial report, not once questioning how the fuck WB will be able to "reboot" Batman within the year between TDKR and this supposed Justice League movie.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Intensely tiresome

    by DonQuixote

    Reboot, redux, remake, reimagining, reinvisionating.....revolting. So, now the reboot of a franchise is being announced before the "final" chapter of the previous incarnation is even released? I can't wait until this window shrinks to the point where the reboot is announced when a film is still in production...and then undertaken while the film is still in production, so the eventual release is half-movie, half-reboot...where is "Not Another..." franchise when you need it?

  • Nolan and his editor fuck it up, though, by cutting too soon and not letting the audience savor the image.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:09 p.m. CST

    the_choppah

    by Billy_D_Williams

    thanks...we live in a fanboy cinema world today, which is more about cool properties and cool CGI infested visuals or scenery chomping acting than the true fundamentals of good cinema, which is visual storytelling in every single camera setup...this what they cant teach you at film school, it is raw talent, and its the reason movies feel so different today, why people say, "movies were better back in the day", its because directors knew how to tell a story with the camera which IS cinema, its the primary tool and the link between audience and filmmaker...stuff you didnt even realize is being done with the camera and blocking, like my two examples from Jaws and Robocop are subliminal, people dont even know its happening, but its why they like the movie when the credits roll...not just cool visuals or cool story, but the story was told with the camera and the human mind doesnt even know its happening. Nolan does not have that kind of talent...he just doesn't...neither does Snyder, Ratner, Boll...not even Neil Blomkamp has it...Peter Jackson and comes close. the only new filmmaker that has it that ive seen is PT anderson and maybe Soderbergh. and no, ive never read Jim Emerson

  • http://blogs.suntimes.com/scanners/the_dark_knight/ Give some of these a read if you have the time. He received a lot of fanboy abuse, as you can imagine.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:15 p.m. CST

    This is one case where a reboot makes sense.

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    This is one case where a reboot makes sense. And I'm not saying that because I dislike Nolan's universe. Personally I would love a 6 movie saga with Nolan and Bale....as would many fans. But if Nolan wants to move on then that's that. Just be happy that in the end we'll have an awesome Trilogy of bat films. There's an upside to a Batman reboot..... First, if Nolan stays on board producing or writing then you know there will be quality control and we'll still have the master in some capacity. Second, we can have Joker and Twoface alive again. Third, we'll likely see other classic villains that never would have fit into Nolan's universe. Fourth, if the long term plan is to create a JLA move then the wheels are already in motion. Superman is about to be re-established by Nolan and Snyder and Green Lantern is about to get his shot too. So whoever the new rebooted Batman ends up being can join forces with those two franchises.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:16 p.m. CST

    nolan said there was nothing cut out

    by zom-bot.com

    and that's bullshit. i remember seeing a clip (on an entertainment show from another country..italy? spain?) from when the joker crashed bruce's party- his slapping and interrogation of the guests went on longer and was quite a bit darker. he slapped a woman around quite a bit- but it was a great take and showed his character. guess america couldn't handle it. weak. also, remember all those pics of the joker getting into a car, as well as goons driving him around with panty hose on their heads..where did that go? it was either before or after the party. we still never saw how they got out of wayn'es penthouse without being stormed by the cops or swat or anything. they were there quite a while. one thing i thought was funny, watched dark night twice in theaters, and i recall the joker saying Gambol 'would have a quarter to give his MA-MAW....' and i thought it was a little racist, but shocking, as i would expect from the joker. fast forward to watching it on dvd, they dub in GRANDMA.

  • The camera spins around the Joker and Rachel clearly showing a ring of people at a slight distance, watching. Rachel kicks Joker, cut to Joker saying that he likes how she plays rough, then cut to Batman saying you're gonna love me. He's just standing there, he's not in motion as if to show he sprung down from the ceiling or up from the floor. There's no smoke. No reaction from the crowd, either, at least nothing discernible. He's merely there to deliver a quick one-liner and save Rachel. But Nolan moves it along quickly to prevent the audience from really latching on to this egregious bit of spatial cheating. He doesn't WANT you paying attention to what exactly is happening. He just wants you to get caught up in the AWESOMENESS of it all. Nolan is Michael Bay with a British accent. CHOPPED.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:23 p.m. CST

    turd: No need to dare.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    It's plain as day. They are CHOPPED.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Unfortunate, but classy

    by IForgotAbout19

    Props to you Mr. Nolan.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Another "tool" of Donald Trump

    by TheNipplesofGodReturns

    Batman...... The story of a boy whose mother and father were shot point blank right in front of him... The story of a man seeking vengeance.......Oh sorry "JUSTICE" For this horrific act . The story of a man who get's so emotionally fucked up! That the only way to seek "justice" is to become a creature of the night, A symbol that will inspire fear into the criminals! The story of A Man that has all the money he will ever need to become this symbol and fight crime! A story of a man who can fall 20 stories and not sustain a bruise, The story of a man who Can solve any crime, The story of a man that can leap 30 feet into the air and take Down anyone!! Let's be real here people... If a billionaire Tried this in real life he would Be street pizza or in jail by the end of day one! Just another tool of Donald trump To inspire False hope and dreams upon you. IT MAKES ME SICK Donald Trump is the Antichrist.... there is no denying it.. but, do you know he has many people helping him?? "The ELITE " leaders, most of them from Hollywood Help Donald Trump To inspire False hopes and dreams to all the people of the world... But there is one "ELITE" leader that is the right hand man to Donald Trump.. He is a man that has inspired you with some of the most compelling stories of False Hope and Dreams ever to be created, He is one of the riches men in Hollywood, He Has raped you're childhood, He was not lying when he told his stories of doom to Seth Rogan!! That is right!!!! George Lucas!! (Not the Antichrist as some have predicted, but his right hand man) George Lucas has made billions off his Star Wars trilogy ( he made money on the prequels but they were created to piss you off for Donald and George's Amusement... It's a long scary story) He continues to make money off you with rerealases in 3D, The complete VHS box sets, the DVD release, the special DVD release, The DVD Box set, The complete DVD box set including bonus discs, The complete Blue ray Box sets ex........ All for the sinister purpose of him enjoying the last couple years on this earth before the day 12,22,12 when the the greatest disaster mankind has ever witnessed comes to pass brought on by Donald Trump! Lucas has ensured his seat in the underground strong hold the "ELITE" have built to survive the day 12,22,12... But like all who follow Trump he too will be deceived, for after the cataclysmic event when every thing has calmed down and the "ELITE " think there safe Trump will release his greatest sin on humanity! A army of Gary Busey clones that will destroy what is left.. The fact that Gary Busey mad it through the first episode of Celebrity Apprentice should tell you what I speak is true!! Be prepared for 12,22,12!! the day when Batman nor the FORCE..... Will be able to protect you. YOU WERE WARNED

  • March 29, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST

    So Nolan will ruin it. Gotcha.

    by Drath

    Fuck them all then. The rebooting is a fucking MESS.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST

    the_choppah

    by IForgotAbout19

    Seriously? Have you EVER heard of Batman before? He fucking appears and dissapears in every scene of any movie/cartoon he's ever been in. He's a NINJA.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:28 p.m. CST

    He will come back and do THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS in about 6 years.

    by the Green Gargantua

    Watch for it.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST

    See? I knew someone was going to say "BUT HE'S A NINJA!!!"

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Yes, Batman does appear and disappear WHEN NO ONE'S LOOKING. In that scene, he merely materializes in a well-lit room, in the middle of a crowd of rapt viewers, with no discernible entrance points? The only entities NOT looking at the point where Batman inexplicably materializes in that scene are The Joker and Nolan's camera, meaning us. It's a lazy cheat. It's one thing to go poof when he's atop a building, or on a fire escape, or in a shadowy chemical plant.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Billy D Williams- brilliant breakdown of JAWS

    by D.Vader

    Most excellent. I've believe I've read a similar breakdown of that scene in an analytical book on JAWS that I own (it is my favorite movie). Spielberg's camera moves combined with his blocking of the actors is an amazing thing to watch when you're able to tear yourself away from the drama unfolding onscreen and focus on the craft. You don't see someone use the camera the way Spiels does anymore these days. It usually is just shot reverse shot, maybe a camera move here or there, but rarely do the moves serve the story and the character and the subtext the way you just described. Bravo. Its admirable, what Spiels does, and I try to take note of that every time I watch one of his movies.

  • He at least tries to make his movies about something more. But, really, he's no genius. And there's no shame in that.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:37 p.m. CST

    the_choppah

    by IForgotAbout19

    You're right, the crowd is rapt - BY THE JOKER. There's a fucking maniac in their midst, do you really think anyone would shout "HEY I JUST SAW BATMAN! I THINK HE'S GONNA TRY AND STOP THE JOKER!" and risk getting shot? They're a bunch of wealthy tightasses, not teenage fangirls, and are probably all shitting their pants. But if you want to try and ruin movies for yourself by dental-flossing them for flaws, have fun.

  • If you want to try and deny glaring flaws in movies you've deemed masterpieces, have fun.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:42 p.m. CST

    mattman

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    I'm with you on The Prestige. That and Memento are his best.

  • Nor do I think they symbolize the fall of Western civilization. This "reboot," however, does.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    addition, not entry

    by THE_CHOPPAH

  • March 29, 2011, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns

    by Ernie

    I agree with everyone saying the time is right to make a motion picture on this definitive graphic novel. Ideally someone like Clint Eastwood should be in the Bruce Wayne role. Hell ... Michael Keaton is old and grizzled enough to return to the role

  • March 29, 2011, 4:46 p.m. CST

    billy_d_williams

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Even though i dig Nolan's style.........I still enjoyed your in depth analysis of Spielberg and Verhoven. It's refreshing to see someone with a true appreciation for the art of film explain their views in detail and possibly make others think a bit more about the craft. Good stuff man.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST

    the_choppah

    by IForgotAbout19

    Alright, there's clearly no arguing with you, but I'm going to give it one more chance. Batman is not a character to these people, he's more like a policeman. If you were involved in a robbery, and you saw a cop coming through the back way, you wouldn't shout "OH GOOD THE COPS ARE HERE!" because you would a)be paralyzed with fear and b)want to let him take care of it. If you refuse to accept that Batman is capable of sneaking around just because he has a suit on, then at least accept that the characters in that situation aren't complete drooling morons at the sight of a super-hero (who they may not even know is one of the good guys)

  • March 29, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST

    I would love to see Hideo Kojima get a shot at Batman.

    by CodeName

  • March 29, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST

    What do you people expect?

    by Mr. Evolved

    All of this "No R3b00T!!!1one" nonsense is just that, nonsense. What do you think is going to happen, they are going to be like "Well, Batman is a really interesting character and people like him and any Batman movie will make money and probably be at least half-way decent, so let's not ever make any of those again"? Quit pretending you are actually upset. We will all go out and see whatever series of Batman they come out with after Nolan's run, because Batman is an iconic character that we all love. Of course we will always love and respect Nolan's vision, but to say "No, don't reboot Batman because of how good TDK was!!!" would be the same as saying "Don't make any more Batman comic books because Frank Miller's run was so awesome!!!"

  • March 29, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST

    P.s.

    by IForgotAbout19

    It doesn't matter whether I think the movie is a classic or not, what you're doing is nitpicking, and the only reason for it is to make yourself seem smarter than the filmmakers and the people who are willing to suspend their disbelief when they watch a movie, particularly one about Batman, who whether there are people in the room or not, pulls that move constantly.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Ah, so Gotham's wealthy is so complacent at the sight of Batman, then?

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    I guess a guy like that is always hanging around high-end cocktail parties and yacht christenings!

  • March 29, 2011, 4:52 p.m. CST

    2013?

    by theWarning

    "most likely, attached to a narrative that will lead to a JUSTICE LEAGUE movie in 2013." A Justice League movie in 2013? And a Batman movie before it? We are a quarter way through 2011. That all seems pretty unlikely.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Ughh

    by Lucky13

    Leave it to a studio suit to announce a reboot before the original movie is even filming yet. Cocksuckers. That said, suits usually know so very little about filmmaking, stories, terminology... they just want to throw in whatever catchy buzz-word is en vogue at the moment. Like the "organic" craze a few years ago. So while I definitely think its cool that Nolan could put a definitive end to his Batman trilogy, I wouldn't mind another director taking over with Bale continuing in the role (like others, I HATE his bat-voice, but other then that, he's great). Nolan could still have his 'trilogy'... and still allow for more stories to be told in that universe. Can't say I'm interested in another Batman origins story. Either way, my real point is... take what the exec says with a grain of salt. Their 'minds' change quite often, and even if they don't change their 'minds', they often know little of what they speak. When they're right, its comparable to closing your eyes and throwing darts at a board... eventually you'll hit a bulls-eye and look like you know what you're doing.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Reboot reboot reboot

    by CrazyJoeDavola

    Because Hollywood is out of original ideas

  • March 29, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Booo!

    by Sigourneys_Beaver

    Just make 'The Dark Knight Returns' already. I'm getting sick of Batman and sick of waiting.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:54 p.m. CST

    I'm sure there are some movies you don't like, iforgotabout19.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    I'd be happy to read any specific, objective criticism of them just so I can dismiss your point of view as nitpicking.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Badman

    by PaulKersey

    Nolans films are to realistic for Batman. I like both films but I prefer the Tim Burton look and feel in Batman '89 a lot more. Its a product of its time, but Michael Keaton is Batman. He's more mysterious and quiet than Bale's bombastic Batman. I want The Dark Knight not James Bond Batman.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:58 p.m. CST

    In Apocalypse Now

    by IForgotAbout19

    You never see any characters brush their teeth, yet their smiles are always pearly white. BULLSHIT.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:58 p.m. CST

    TWO-FACE RETURNS

    by master_of_realty

    July 2012

  • March 29, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    I hope they make it gritty, dark, and realistic!!!

    by ribbitking

    Oh that's right...Nolan made them gritty, dark, and realistic already. Gritty like in how the Joker looked like he needed a bath. Dark in how Batman threw Eric Roberts off a roof. Realistic in how a semi truck can be flipped over frontways on it's back. Yayyyy for gritty dark realism!!!

  • March 29, 2011, 5:05 p.m. CST

    mattman, good points.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    At least the shark isn't intended to have a consciousness in Jaws. There's enough mystery there to keep us guessing. We've had Batman's methods de-mystified in Batman Begins, so why be so cheeky about it in The Dark Knight? I also think back to the museum scene in Burton's Batman. How does Batman enter? Crashing through the glass ceiling. It was a spectacular entrance, so even the Joker was a little stunned. It was a nice way for Batman to turn the tables on Joker and stun even the clown prince of crime into a little disbelief. It would have been a nice character wrinkle for Nolan's/Ledger's Joker to have that little moment of awe (even though I think the character was nearly perfect in TDK.

  • March 29, 2011, 5:11 p.m. CST

    An auteur-like director having *some* input isn't very enticing

    by HansBubi

    Film geeks like Christopher Nolan because his name attached to a film means that his influence will be felt on every aspect of the film, from the script to the acting to the score. This is a filmmaker that puts thought into everything, and he has enough clout now to work with other people that will also fire on all cylinders. We can now expect every movie he makes to be meticulously crafted. The thought of him having *some* input for another project means almost nothing to me. If someone were to tell me that Paul Thomas Anderson had *some* input for a movie, I would just be confused. PTA and Nolan are filmmakers that need and deserve full control to create something great. I don't feel that I'm complaining about anything - it's just that the idea of selling a movie by saying Nolan is producing doesn't mean a whole lot to me.

  • March 29, 2011, 5:14 p.m. CST

    After TDKR - they should tell Nolan to just fuck off!

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    He doesn't want anymore movies, yet wants to be involved in a reboot? - just tell him to fuck off!

  • March 29, 2011, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Nolan's Batman world is boring as heck, anyway.

    by kevred

    Really, how much more mileage can be gotten from it? Grim, empty, caught awkwardly between 'gritty' reality and fantasy, not much prospect for either. It was a nice and elegantly-produced try, but 'The Dark Knight Returns' still stands, un-exceeded.

  • March 29, 2011, 5:23 p.m. CST

    I hope Batman has a big fucking ginger beard in TDKR!

    by scriptgirl_nipples

  • March 29, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST

    God, finally.

    by Ribbons

    I was just thinking to myself the other day that the Batman franchise was ripe for a reboot. What has it been, two films already? And they let a third one make its way into pre-production? Way to stay on top of things, Warner Brothers.

  • March 29, 2011, 5:35 p.m. CST

    If they kill Batman or break his back I won't see this movie.

    by Ghostpirate

    For crying out loud. The first movie has was new and learning the ropes. The second he continued to learn as Joker handed him his ass. This movie, we need to see what Batman becomes when he takes everything he learned in the first movies and finally becomes the Dark Knight detective he his in the comics. I want to see a Batman who learned to always be 10 steps ahead the way Joker was. Not the Batman that's been making it up as he goes the way Bruce has done up til this point. If it ends with the killing or back breaking then the whole trilogy becomes pointless. The Dark Knight was the Empire Strikes Back of this series as Batman basically lost. (if you do count the ending as a win, it certainly wasn't by much.) To borrow a term from the comics, the next one better end with the Dark Knight Triumphant.

  • March 29, 2011, 5:37 p.m. CST

    There had better be some blue underwear involved

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    and I mean on the OUTSIDE of his tights. Hide the Bat-Bulge!

  • March 29, 2011, 5:53 p.m. CST

    God I hate reboots

    by Phategod100

    I hate it when I have to Reboot my PC, and it for these damn movies, especially the good ones it seems pointless, and redundant. Why do we need 3 Batman origin films in the span of 15 years?

  • March 29, 2011, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Hideo Kojima?

    by Phategod100

    So we can have 1 good movie then a second starring Robin filled exposition, and convolution.

  • March 29, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST

    billy_d_williams & the_choppah

    by blakindigo

    Well then I'd have to put Rob Bowman as a director who handles mise-en-scene with incredible flair. Also, Jon Amiel does very impressive work. Do either of these directors have a signature 'image' that is iconic and powerful? What about Paul Thomas Anderson? Obviously a gifted visual craftsman, but are there any iconic images that you can think of that define the genres that he works in? How about Oliver Stone? Or Luc Besson? Fellini? Disney? I think it's a flawed argument that your postulating — mise en scéne versus the singular iconic image that defines the conflict of the movie.

  • March 29, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST

    This is good news

    by cat

    Cheers to Nolan for having the integrity to leave some money on the table in the pursuit of his artform.

  • March 29, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Paul Thomas Anderson? Iconic image?

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    How about all of There Will Be Blood?

  • March 29, 2011, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Who said it's gonna be an origin story?

    by maxjohnson1971

    I can see them "rebooting" the series, but that doesn't mean we have to have a new origin story. Just new cast and crew.

  • March 29, 2011, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Choppah

    by maxjohnson1971

    Man, that'd be the shit if PTA took over the Batman for three movies. Then give it to Clint Eastwood. Hmmmmm.... Give it to Eastwood first on second thought.

  • March 29, 2011, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Another take on Batman?

    by Aidan

    Go for it. Just don't fuck with my Nolan-verse.

  • March 29, 2011, 6:12 p.m. CST

    mattman

    by Billy_D_Williams

    if you didn't read my post you have no right to comment on it. its like a critic who disses a movie without seeing it. you're not even worth debating.

  • March 29, 2011, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Keaton/Burton

    by nobbythehappyelf

    Am I the only person in the world who prefers the Burton/Keaton offerings to the Nolan/Bale ones?

  • March 29, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST

    After DKR, a re-boot that leads to a JL film by 2013???

    by Mundungus

    Bullshit. How's that math supposed to work?

  • March 29, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Oh and as far as Nolan producing the next one

    by Billy_D_Williams

    it will be a no show vanity credit, like when Burton "produced" Batman Forever...it was totally Schumacher's show. This happens often when a director wants to retain profits from future films, im sure Nolan's agent included it in his contract somewhere.

  • March 29, 2011, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Re-reboot

    by Son of a Butch

    The movie franchise that started Hollywood's "reboot" fad is itself getting a reboot, again. Kinda ironic. This is getting ridiculous, though. Now they're planning reboots before the current incarnation is even finished? I thought the purpose of a reboot was to wipe the slate clean after a movie series has been irrepairably screwed up. Then again, everything is called a "reboot" these days, no matter if it's a remake, a sequel or a spin-off... It's become just another word studio execs use as a synonym for "milking the cash cow".

  • March 29, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    blakindigo

    by Billy_D_Williams

    "Well then I'd have to put Rob Bowman as a director who handles mise-en-scene with incredible flair. Also, Jon Amiel does very impressive work. Do either of these directors have a signature 'image' that is iconic and powerful? What about Paul Thomas Anderson? Obviously a gifted visual craftsman, but are there any iconic images that you can think of that define the genres that he works in? How about Oliver Stone? Or Luc Besson? Fellini? Disney? I think it's a flawed argument that your postulating — mise en scéne versus the singular iconic image that defines the conflict of the movie. " PT anderson - the last shot of Boogie Nights where DD pulls his cock out the shot in There Will Be Blood where Plainview shits in the foreground, while in the background his men put out the fire shooting out of the oil derrick, and the end shot with Plainview sitting on the floor with Eli Sunday's bloodied corpse in the background...i could go on as far vs his mis en scene, its pretty damn brilliant, especially in Blood. i could say more about the other directors but my fingers are getting tired

  • March 29, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    nobbythehappyelf

    by Clarence_Boddickers_Optometrist

    No. I'm right there with you. Well, at least Batman (89). Remains a favorite film regardless of genre, being I was a kid at the time and Gotham and the whole experience was so out of this world. Do appreciate Nolan as a filmmaker and the direction he took, though. And Keaton IS Batman/Wayne.

  • March 29, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    maxjohnson: I think Clint can pull it off.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    I'd really love to see him take on an older Bruce Wayne, a la Batman Beyond, but I don't see him going in for that futuristic stuff. I'd settle for a regular Bat flick from him, though. PT Anderson would be an interesting choice, too, as would Fincher. Both filmmakers are masters of mise en scene and montage, by the way ...

  • March 29, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    There Will Be Blood is extraordinary —

    by blakindigo

    — but, the only image(s) that I can immediately recall as 'iconic' is the fire sequence. "Boogie Nights" has that great hommage to "I Am Cuba" — but, I'm not sure if mattman was referring to an iconic sequence or an iconic image. It seemed as if he was writing about an iconic image in his post. And mattman, you really should read the complete post if you're going to debate. I'm just sayin'. You're comments are better than a blanket dismissal of something you haven't fully read.

  • March 29, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Imagine if

    by bee152

  • March 29, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    blakindigo

    by DonLogan

    iconic images: PTA: Marky Mark with his cock out at the end of Boogie Nights? OLIVER STONE: Willem Dafoe on his knees, arms toward the sky in Platoon? LUC BESSON: Leeloo poied to jump from the building amidst a futuristic environment in The Fifth Element? FELLINI: anita ekberg dancing in la dolce vita? Disney: Mickey mouse whistling at the wheel in Steamboat Willie?

  • March 29, 2011, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Paul Verhoeven + Batman=

    by Clarence_Boddickers_Optometrist

    The Joker carrying around a bag of blow, graphically dismembering Gotham's citizens, copious amounts of gratuitous violence, and Catwoman really giving Bruce Wayne a good rogering in front of Wayne Manor's many fireplaces, with suspenseful string music on the soundtrack during.

  • March 29, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Just go

    by bee152

    the Bond route. We all have an idea of the origin story for Batman. No more origins. It would be nice if a comic book movie could tell a different story. How about a one shot. Happens all the time in comics.

  • March 29, 2011, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Nolan's producer credit...

    by Ribbons

    ...some people have already mentioned this, but all that sounds like to me is code for "Christopher has been gracious enough to allow us to attach his name to a prequel to Justice League he'll have little to no involvement with in order to make it sound better."

  • March 29, 2011, 6:33 p.m. CST

    billy_d_williams, so we're talking pacing and mood —

    by blakindigo

    — I think the shot of Dirk Diggler, stoned, completely fucked up and out of his depth, realizing he's in hell, struggling to pull it together and mustering up the energy to PULL HIMSELF OUT OF THE FUCKING CHAIR in "Boogie Nights" is tremendous. It feels like a quote from Mike Nichols "Carnal Knowledge" in the scene with Ann Margret's character realizing that Jack Nicholson's character is irredeemable. So is that shot a quote? Is it 'original'? Does that signify a transference of aspects of the 70's era cinematic aesthetic to the late 90's? I'm just wondering if the actual mechanics of directing and it's legacy are informing our judgement on the craft in THIS era. Which may want to achieve different goals and focus on different outcomes. How does Nolan/Snyder/Abrams fit into that question.

  • SHOWGIRLS being the most misunderstood work of art of the 20th century. An Epic Satirical Trash-Art Masterpiece! Again, Verhoeven's satirical / parodical "American Trilogy": - Robocop - Showgirls - Starship Troopers Watch these three films and you will learn all you need to know about American culture.

  • Remember he did single handedly kill the terminator franchise! Besides intrepid reporter Amy Adams dug up this little piece: http://www.thetoyzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/batbed.png

  • March 29, 2011, 6:39 p.m. CST

    good. kill batman so we can have a reboot.

    by vulturess

    comic book movies suck if theyre not reboots. reboot iron man ffs. give him a fuckin heart transplant and get it over with. john krasinski as bruce wayne/batman!

  • March 29, 2011, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Different eras definitely have predominant aesthetics.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    But times nor aesthetics exist in a vacuum. The influence of one on the other is constant, even when you end up with an original aesthetic. This fact doesn't, however, prevent one from determining whether a director's application of an aesthetic in a certain film is good or not. Intensive use of montage can be good, even great (look at Stone's JFK, for instance), but it must be necessary and consistent with what the film is trying to do. In Christopher Nolan's case, specifically with The Dark Knight, he's trying to tell a story. An action-packed story, sure, but he doesn't need to be mucking up even the more subdued moments with too many cuts. What purpose does it serve? Maybe he's trying to generate a sense of breakneck narrative momentum to put us "in the moment," like Michael Mann is so apt at doing. But Michael Mann is a great director, a fact evident in even his dullest films (Public Enemies, Ali). His cheats aren't as evident. He emphasizes style, but it serves his tone, his characters. And he knows when to throttle back. Nolan doesn't do this in The Dark Knight, and since it's clear he's referencing Heat in more ways than one in that movie, maybe he got too caught up in creating an homage to Mann that he didn't really put much thought into the framing and cutting as the film warranted.

  • March 29, 2011, 6:47 p.m. CST

    This reboot stuff is getting ridiculous

    by GeorgieBoy

    Yeah, way to fracture your audience! No doubt they'll want to go even darker and grungier than before. Jeesh.

  • March 29, 2011, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the debate, guys. Enjoy!

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    THE CHOPPED MEN, a poem by THE_CHOPPAH "Mistah Subs -- he chopped." I We are the clever men We are the CHOPPED men Leaning together Headpiece filled with straw. Alas! Our dried voices, when We talkback together Are quiet and meaningless As wind in dry grass Or Kobe's feet over broken glass In our dry cellar CHOPs without form, shade without colour, Paralyzed force, gesture without CHOPPING; Those who have crossed With direct eyes, to Harry's other Kingdom Remember us—if at all—not as lost Silly souls, but only As the clever men The CHOPPED men. II Eyes I dare not meet in dreams In Harry's dream kingdom These do not appear: There, the eyes are Sunlight on a broken talkback There, is a noob swinging And voices are In the TB’s singing More distant and more solemn Than braindrain's star. Let me be no nearer In Harry's dream kingdom Let me also wear Such deliberate disguises Dickblood’s coat, Kobeskin, crossed Cobras In a field Behaving as the TB behaves No nearer— Not that final meeting In the talkback kingdom III This is the MJ Corpse land This is Kobe land Here the digital images Are raised, here they receive The supplication of a CHOPPED man’s hand Under the twinkle of a fading talkbacker. Is it like this In Harry's other kingdom Waking alone At the hour when we are Trembling with troll-i-ness Fingers that would CHOP Form prayers to broken servers. IV The eyes are not here There are no eyes here In this valley of dying talkbackers In this hollow valley This broken jaw of our lost talkbacks In this last of meeting places We grope together And avoid speech Gathered on this beach of the soiled sock Sightless, unless The eyes reappear As the perpetual star Multifoliate turd Of Harry's twilight kingdom The hope only Of CHOPPED men. V Here we go round the DVD column DVD column DVD column Here we go round the DVD column At two o’clock in the afternoon. Between the idea And the reality Between the motion And the act Falls the CHOPPAH For Thine is the Kingdom Between INCEPTION And the fellation Between the emotion And the response Falls the CHOPPAH Life is very long Between the desire And the spasm Between the potency And the existence Between the essence And the descent Falls the CHOPPAH For Thine is the Kingdom For Thine is Life is For Thine is the This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a CHOPPAH.

  • Make the villain REALLY fucking scary, brutal, bloody. R-rated. Tell the kids to stay at home. Yeah, I could go for that...

  • March 29, 2011, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Reboot?

    by Stuntcock Mike

    No Nolan. No Bale. No thanks.

  • March 29, 2011, 6:59 p.m. CST

    stuntcock

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    I'd rather see Bale plunge deeper into more insane roles. For him, Batman will be played out. It's time for him to CHOP elsewhere.

  • and how Scorsese tells the story with the camera, taking advantage of the full space of the room. The party has died down and the last couple leaves the bar in a wide shot with the camera behind the bar shooting toward the door where the couple leaves...Tommy immediately enters looking menacing, staring toward and past the camera...tension is immediately created because we know the confrontation between Tommy and Bats just happened and Tommy's propensity towards violence...by isolating him in the frame and having him stare past the camera, Scorsese makes it seem like he's about to attack the audience, building tension...instead, the camera pans right to see what Tommy is looking at...here Scorsese does something interesting...instead of doing the obvious; which is panning the camera to Billy Bats, Tommy's target, which is something Nolan or Snyder would do, Scorsese lets the camera swish past Bats (as if the camera is assaulting him) who is drunkenly talking to Jimmy, and lets the camera settle on Henry, who is all the way down at the other end of the bar. this accomplishes two things...one, it allows us to see Tommy's prey, but it also makes a thematic statement about the difference between a psycho like Tommy, the dark side of the mob, and the more altruistic Henry...the camera pans from one end of the bar with the psycho gangster, to the other end, the gentler gangster, the extreme distance making a statement about both characters and the decision in the middle (Bats)...it is THIS moment in the film which is the turning point, thematically and plotwise, because after Tommy kills Bats, that is what brings everything down. and it is at this moment where Tommy and Henry are most at odds...this is Henry's place, where people are supposed to drink and be merry...but Tommy wants to murder someone...so by placing them on extreme opposite ends of the bar, and forcing the camera to do an almost self conscious pan past Billy Bats...Scorsese is asking you to look past the violence (represented by Bats, which the camera ignores by panning past him and Jimmy), and look toward how fractured these mob guys really are. anyway, back to the shot...having panned past Bats and to Henry, who looks up and sees Tommy at the door, the camera follows Henry, who quickly makes his way down to Tommy (and toward violence, where he shouldn't be), the camera coming back to Jimmy and Bats, and this time keeping them in frame, with Henry and Tommy in the background, Tommy sneaking up behind Bats, with Bats in between Tommy and Jimmy...like lions trapping prey...Henry stays in the background (wisely) with Tommy sneaking into the medium shot that includes Bats and Jimmy to make his move. Now, the camera cuts to a high angle as Tommy and Jimmy attack Bats, Scorsese borrowing Hitchock's overhead shot from the movie Psycho, where Norman Bates dressed as "mother" attacks the investigator...and its a brilliant choice, because the movie Psycho includes the word that describes what these guys are being toward Billy. Someone like Nolan doesn't have those kinds of skills. Scorsese is making references on top of references on top of references, commenting on the story with the reference. Its genius. These are the kinds of camera blocking, shooting multiple setups in one camera shot, commenting on the characters by placing them in different parts of the frame at different times, and commenting on the theme, as well as advancing character and plot. To do all that in one shot requires genius Nolan does not possess. I can't do a breakdown like that with The Dark Knight or any of Nolan's films. His stories are told with editing...nothing wrong with that, its just not very good because it doesn't require much skill from the director...because anyone can shoot a single, or two shot or over the shoulder and let the editor chop it up later. But not everyone can do the shot I just described from Goodfellas...and the movie contains many many more similar virtuoso camera moments. This is why I just look at Nolan and yawn, while fanboys cream themselves. Its like watching a kid freak over a McDonald's hamburger when you've been eating filet mignon for years. They dont know what they're missing.

  • March 29, 2011, 7:03 p.m. CST

    It's weird having this matter discussed so early

    by kafka07

    TDKR hasn't even begun filming yet. Talking about another cinematic rebirth of Batman long before this current saga ends is making me batshit.

  • March 29, 2011, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Eastwood Choppah

    by maxjohnson1971

    I don't know if I was clear or not, but I would want Eastwood to direct, not star. (Even though him staring would be pretty cool if they wanted to go the older route.) Fincher would be good too, but he's got carte blanche after The Social Network. Actually, Aronofsky and Nolan have that too. How about Duncan Jones or Matt Reeves?

  • March 29, 2011, 7:03 p.m. CST

    billy_d: More damn fine analysis.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    You are a CHOPPAH amongst boys.

  • Actually, the director I'd most like to see take on Batman would be Nicholas Winding Refn.

  • March 29, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    The Avengers would get their asses kicked

    by Van_Dammes_Forehead_Lump

    if they dared to take on THE MIGHTY JLA. Superman would shove that hammer up Thor's asgardian norse AZZ

  • March 29, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Aranofsky/Frank Miller reboot was terrible

    by johnnyg korrupt

    Anyone get a load of Aranofsky and Frank Millers reboot where Bruce Wayne is a homeless guy and discovers Alfred's Mechanic shop? Thank god they went with Nolan instead. Keep Aranofsky away from this!

  • March 29, 2011, 7:13 p.m. CST

    On 12,22,12 We will be "REBOOTED"

    by TheNipplesofGodReturns

    Reboot!? why so many Reboots in Hollywood These days? I mean they have top creative guys like Micheal Bay, Brett Rat, George Lucas, Kevin Smith..... (and list goes on)...... but for some reason it seems like we get the same recycled crap! over and over and over and over until you want too shoot yourself ..... I mean!!! how many times can we take the same old Story of a lovable geek that gets bit by a Fucked up spider?!!! Then suddenly he can stick to walls! or a guy that is so fucked up emotionally he has to wear a bat suit?....... Well the truth is they don't care!! their right ,Hollywood has run out of ideas! Because they know on 12,22,12 it won't matter anymore!!! They give you the same recycled crap.... BECAUSE YOU PAY FOR IT!

  • March 29, 2011, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Is it possible to be a CHOPPAH amongst men even if —

    by blakindigo

    I STILL like Zach Snyder?

  • Due to the current events in Japan and in the Middle East I think the subject of 2012 is of great importance RIGHT NOW. There is a great change occurring RIGHT NOW. And for those who understand and are at peace with the changes that are occurring and are to occur will find this shift miraculous beyond description. But for those who decide to ignore their inner calling and go about life as if nothing miraculous is transpiring right here and now, then all I can say to them is hold on because it's about to get uncomfortable. VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. It's not very hard to notice these changes if you just sit back and observe for just one minute. Everything unlike the nature of God, Christ, Spirit, higher self, CHOPPAH whatever term you have come to accept as the universal principle, (I personally like CHOPPAH Consciousness so that is what I'll use here), anything unlike the nature of the CHOPPAH Consciousness will no longer manifest or pretend to exist. The illusions of the ego, the non-CHOPPAH ego, are coming to a end ... FAST. This is why you are seeing the collapse of governments and financial systems, and dramatic shifts in weather systems. The only thing that is going to survive in this new age are systems that are based on CHOPPING and serving the growth of CHOP. You DO NOT have another decade to decide. NOW IS THE TIME! The ACHOPPAHlypse approacheth!

  • March 29, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST

    billy_d_williams — keep those fingers sore

    by blakindigo

    and type 'till the day is long. In the words of Marvin Gaye you "Got to Give It Up". Keep on keeping on.

  • March 29, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST

    blakindigo

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Yes.

  • March 29, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Choppah

    by maxjohnson1971

    Had to look up the name, but the guy that did Bronson AND Valhalla Rising is gold in my book. Good call. Well played, guvnuh'

  • March 29, 2011, 7:17 p.m. CST

    blankindigo

    by Billy_D_Williams

    "— I think the shot of Dirk Diggler, stoned, completely fucked up and out of his depth, realizing he's in hell, struggling to pull it together and mustering up the energy to PULL HIMSELF OUT OF THE FUCKING CHAIR in "Boogie Nights" is tremendous. It feels like a quote from Mike Nichols "Carnal Knowledge" in the scene with Ann Margret's character realizing that Jack Nicholson's character is irredeemable. So is that shot a quote? Is it 'original'? Does that signify a transference of aspects of the 70's era cinematic aesthetic to the late 90's? I'm just wondering if the actual mechanics of directing and it's legacy are informing our judgement on the craft in THIS era. Which may want to achieve different goals and focus on different outcomes. How does Nolan/Snyder/Abrams fit into that question." Blankindigo.... good questions...but it doesn't matter if something is original or not. the primary aim of a motion picture is to tell a story. i always ask "what is this movie trying to do and does it succeed?" if i answer yes, then its a good movie, regardless of references or not. people in the 90s or even today are not doing anything new...Eisenstein is really probably most to blame, as he started the "editing as storytelling" trend, which became the defacto lazy man's way of making movies in the sausage factory studio system, which doesn't care about blocking and camera/actor movement to push the story...all they care about is making it look cool, bright, colorful and LOUD in order to get the idiots in the theater by the droves. thats it. so guys like Nolan and JJ and Snyder provide for them...they're seen as brilliant by geeks because of the properties they get attached to, which is just a smokescreen to hide their lack of visual acumen...the visual is not just the visual, it is the primary tool for pushing the story forward. editing merely juxtaposes shots, but it breaks the audiences connection to the movie just a split second...add up enough of those split seconds and by the end of the movie, the audience is left with something that doesn't resonate with them very much. like i said before, the stuff Verhoven and Spielberg and Scorsese do is subliminal...they edit IN the camera, with movement of the camera and the actors relative to the frame. this is true cinema editing. of course you need to edit, but that should be done only to break tension in the frame because then the audience will tune out...its like a pressure cooker...the frame builds pressure, and released with a cut...todays filmmakers just move the camera all over the room to keep people's attention, ignoring all the tools available for great mis en scene, just so it looks cool, and edit every five seconds to keep things moving...but what they're actually doing is not building any pressure...its artificial.

  • One Eye is but one of CHOPPAH's many avatars in planes both ephemeral and material. Mr. Refn is a scribe in the Church of CHOP.

  • Its funny because Batman is a joke in Superman's Universe.

  • March 29, 2011, 7:27 p.m. CST

    by blakindigo

    "…todays filmmakers just move the camera all over the room to keep people's attention, ignoring all the tools available for great mis en scene, just so it looks cool, and edit every five seconds to keep things moving…" Peter Jackson — J'accuse!! True, but you can't blame Eisenstien for how his brilliance was appropriated in a consumerist driven industry. He operated from a Marxist framework that indicted the very mechanics of the "Hollywood system"; a direct challenge to Griffith's overindulgent 'novelistic' approach to narrative. I think Dovzenko or even later Murnau was the great innovator that got lost in the shuffle; Eisenstien was simply better at articulating his views. But, I digress — Armond White wrote something brilliant about PT Anderson, something about how he pulls from the best of Altman and Rudolph, trying to speak in that 'voice' for this generation that's starving for bravura filmmakers. I think Nolan might be the Don Siegel of this generation. Not a bad thing to be. Not at all.

  • March 29, 2011, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Well no matter what happens

    by maxjohnson1971

    Nolan gave us two, and, more than likely, three great Batman movies. If they just pick a good director that can assemble a good team, I'll be happy. AT LEAST Nolan will be able to go out on top and say he did the movies HE wanted to do. I just hope they don't start backsliding like Burton's Batman did after he left the helm.

  • March 29, 2011, 7:34 p.m. CST

    The Church of "CHOP" is a Tool of Donald Trump

    by TheNipplesofGodReturns

    The church of "CHOP"...... what can I say about the church of "CHOP" It was created on the date of 3/29/11. It started as a internet joke! but soon!! it is seen as the ONE WORLD RELIGION... (this is all foretold in the bible you just have to find the answers to the clues) Everyone in the world will soon be of "CHOP" religion! The Religion will then be purchased by Donald Trump!! who will use it's influence of false hope and dreams to destroy you!! The creator "the_choppa" will further go on to be in project "BUSEY"( for 7 months )after that he will never be heard from again .. YOU WERE WARNED

  • March 29, 2011, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Reboot...

    by HapaPapa72

    With Clark Bartram (from Batman: Dead End). Ditch the damn black rubber once and for all.

  • March 29, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Question the Church of "CHOP" at your peril

    by blakindigo

    Gaze upon the face of the CHOPPED… and dispair. In thy name we CHOP. For the Trinity of CHOP. Fealty to the Almighty CHOP!

  • March 29, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Why reboot for Justice League?

    by shutupfanboy

    Why not just add hints in DKR like they said earlier on with Luthor Corp and the rumored Superman cameo in Green Lantern. I have no idea why when shooting hasn't begun why they couldn't do this. Nolan is producing Superman, how hard will it be to have a Batman character cameo in it or mention Gotham. There is no need to reboot when it would be just as easy to do it now. I have said since Iron Man came out and they teased Avengers, we would get a League movie. It would be stupid not to.

  • that WB is not interested on a JL movie because they dont agree with what Marvel is trying to do with the Avengers movie and they dont need this kind of franchise.suck it now. not only Batman is rebooting for a more "unrealistic" comic-book universe but movie cross-overing is part of it too.Finally we are going to get rid off of the mafia and we are going to get some cool super-villains in a Batman movie and you know what it is coming if the Superman reboot is going to be a hit: SUPERMAN VS BATMAN you hear it here first boys and girs.

  • March 29, 2011, 7:47 p.m. CST

    good

    by theblackvegtable

    Big fan of the Nolan universe but I miss all the awesome other stuff from the comics. Would be awesome to see them do mr freeze properly

  • March 29, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST

    stalone in dark knight returns

    by Orion

    Donald trump as robin.

  • March 29, 2011, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Way to go WB

    by The Dwayne

    So whatever impact will happen at the end of this will be sullied when we know "oh well it'll start all over again after this." *sigh*

  • March 29, 2011, 7:51 p.m. CST

    why does superman need to have a cameo in GL

    by Orion

    THATS way too marvel.

  • March 29, 2011, 7:54 p.m. CST

    great point dwayne.

    by Orion

    Batman dies in 2012, but coming in 2015: batman begins again.

  • March 29, 2011, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Definitive end = cliffhanger for the rebooted movie.

    by KilliK

    They are going to have Bruce in some kind of clever ending which closes Nolan's trilogy but lays the ground for the upcoming new take on the whole franchise from some other director,while maintaining the interest and curiosity of the audience until the rebooted sequel s coming. Maybe the cliffhanger is that Bruce is killed in the end of TKDR,or Banes breaks his back and we think that he is disabled and cant be Bats anymore or he has a son with Talia/Catwoman and he quits to raise him or he simply retires because he has no more faith in GC (so Joker wins in a way) . But the the rebooted movie comes and not surprisingly Batman returns either from the dead or from his retirement.And maybe this time we get an introduction to Robin as someone who replaced Batman while he was missing. the possibilities are endless and that's why i believe that TDKR will turn out to be the best of the trilogy because it will try to close it's own 3-part story while connecting to a new chapter of Batman's life.

  • March 29, 2011, 7:57 p.m. CST

    CHUD has a much better analysis of this

    by Dark Knight Lite

    Can't believe I actually typed that. Sad, really.

  • March 29, 2011, 8:01 p.m. CST

    batman fighting killer croc.... thts all i want

    by ORIONgods

    oh and mark hamill for reboot joker...he earned it

  • March 29, 2011, 8:03 p.m. CST

    There is no god in the Church of CHOP.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Only THE_CHOPPAH. To some cultures, however, the two are indistinguishable. Except CHOPPAH is real.

  • March 29, 2011, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Oh god..

    by Marat

    Oh wait... Anyway, facepalm'd

  • March 29, 2011, 8:13 p.m. CST

    I WANT a weird Miller/Aronofsky Batman film

    by Monolith_Jones

  • March 29, 2011, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Another "tool" of Donald Trump

    by TheNipplesofGodReturns

    Batman...... The story of a boy whose mother and father were shot point blank right in front of him... The story of a man seeking vengeance.......Oh sorry "JUSTICE" For this horrific act . The story of a man who get's so emotionally fucked up! That the only way to seek "justice" is to become a creature of the night, A symbol that will inspire fear into the criminals! The story of A Man that has all the money he will ever need to become this symbol and fight crime! A story of a man who can fall 20 stories and not sustain a bruise, The story of a man who Can solve any crime, The story of a man that can leap 30 feet into the air and take Down anyone!! Let's be real here people... If a billionaire Tried this in real life he would Be street pizza or in jail by the end of day one! Just another tool of Donald trump To inspire False hope and dreams upon you. IT MAKES ME SICK Donald Trump is the Antichrist.... there is no denying it.. but, do you know he has many people helping him?? "The ELITE " leaders, most of them from Hollywood Help Donald Trump To inspire False hopes and dreams to all the people of the world... But there is one "ELITE" leader that is the right hand man to Donald Trump.. He is a man that has inspired you with some of the most compelling stories of False Hope and Dreams ever to be created, He is one of the riches men in Hollywood, He Has raped you're childhood, He was not lying when he told his stories of doom to Seth Rogan!! That is right!!!! George Lucas!! (Not the Antichrist as some have predicted, but his right hand man) George Lucas has made billions off his Star Wars trilogy ( he made money on the prequels but they were created to piss you off for Donald and George's Amusement... It's a long scary story) He continues to make money off you with rerealases in 3D, The complete VHS box sets, the DVD release, the special DVD release, The DVD Box set, The complete DVD box set including bonus discs, The complete Blue ray Box sets ex........ All for the sinister purpose of him enjoying the last couple years on this earth before the day 12,22,12 when the the greatest disaster mankind has ever witnessed comes to pass brought on by Donald Trump! Lucas has ensured his seat in the underground strong hold the "ELITE" have built to survive the day 12,22,12... But like all who follow Trump he too will be deceived, for after the cataclysmic event when every thing has calmed down and the "ELITE " think there safe Trump will release his greatest sin on humanity! A army of Gary Busey clones that will destroy what is left.. The fact that Gary Busey mad it through the first episode of Celebrity Apprentice should tell you what I speak is true!! Be prepared for 12,22,12!! the day when Batman nor the FORCE..... Will be able to protect you. YOU WERE WARNED

  • March 29, 2011, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Batman Beyond or The Dark Knight Returns

    by bishopfan85

    Before Clint Eastwood is R.I.P'ed by Harry (Ironically enough) I'd love to see him take on the role of senior Bruce Wayne as he passes the torch to new blood in a noir Gotham future with the flying full bodied batsuit and Clint donning the battle armored Batsuit during the climatic ending. With that being said we'd need Nolan to team up with maybe the Wachowski Brothers or even have Clint himself direct. If that doesn't float than Miller and Rodriguez can team up again for a Sin City style Dark Knight Returns film translation. The most important thing at this point is for the next Batman to be nothing like the last 4 or 5 movies.

  • March 29, 2011, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Fuck Reboots

    by Ken Shaw

    Batman Begins was an appropriate reboot, but this is Hollywood's way of saying "We're lazy." We all know the origin of Batman now. Play it like Bond and tell a new story.

  • March 29, 2011, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Ending speculation

    by claudiomonster

    Personally, I really disagree that Nolan will kill off Batman. This does a few things: 1. Closes the doors for him indefinitely. Which, in hollywood, never say never. 2. Too predictable. 3. It's too easy of a solution. Yeah lets kill off Batman and make him a legend, the people will rise and make gotham a better place to live blah blah. Not really. I personally think Batman will rise. In the sense, he will redeem himself in the eyes of gotham, he will overcome any problems he will face and finally will take that final step and dedicate himself to being Batman forever. The surprise ending. The Joker escapes and releases all the crazies, setting stage for a new world where Batman will thrive in as savior and protector of gotham. My 2 cents.

  • He could have the Riddler as a master thief and genius con artist type (kinda like Dom Cobb from Inception), who gets a hold of the dream sharing technology to probe Bruce Wayne's mind, initially trying to perform an inception on Wayne to donate a large sum of his wealth to the Riddler, or to find a way to access Wayne's accounts in the real world. In the process of all this mind probing, the Riddler finds out that Wayne is Batman, and leaks this to the press, causing Batman/Bruce Wayne to train Robin to become the new Batman. This way he can prove he is not Batman, but appearing in public with Batman and fooling the citizens of Gotham into not believing the Riddler's claims of Batman's true identity. Call it BATMAN: Enigma. Have Edward Nigma/The Riddler as a character that is also a well known upstanding citizen as Edward Nigma, while his alter ego is the diabolical Riddler. That way, the two characters tie together thematically. The film could explore alter egos and how one perceives the "self" in the sense of how we all have an internal and external viewpoint of who we are.

  • If we get to see a "WHOLE NEW TWIST!" on the origin story, it better be chock full of Naked Catwoman, Naked Poison Ivy*, and Naked Batgirl*. *Never been a fan of those characters, but if they were naked I might give them another viewing...

  • where Batman is seen from the public perspective as this mythical force. A legend of Gotham. Always in the shadows, lurking and waiting to strike. Robin would be the protagonist as he tries to become a crime fighter like Bruce Wayne did in Batman Begins, but without the funds that Bruce Wayne had. Eventually, Batman sees some talent in Robin, and takes him under his wing and trains him to be a truly awesome force of badassery. Over the course of the film, the next Batman, portrayed not by Bale, but by an undisclosed actor, would be slowly revealed to the audience through Robin's eyes. The unmasking of this new Batman would be a fun way to market the film and keep things suspenseful. They could call it The Caped Crusaders, or Knights of Gotham, to keep the whole Batman as a modern day "knight" concept.

  • March 29, 2011, 8:40 p.m. CST

    the timing makes no sense

    by Kyle Hoschar

    how could they possibly reboot it in time to tie it to a justice league movie in 2013?

  • March 29, 2011, 8:41 p.m. CST

    I really like the idea of a Sin City styled Batman movie!

    by Jaster

    That would rock the fucking casbah....or something.

  • March 29, 2011, 8:42 p.m. CST

    after TDKR, can NOLAN direct a BOND film?

    by zooch

    because that would be the most awesome thing ever.

  • March 29, 2011, 8:43 p.m. CST

    I kind of wish Snyder were taking over Batman after Nolan

    by lv_426

    so that the Wachowski Brothers could do the Superman reboot. Snyder could probably do a decent job with an Arkham Asylum film. That game is pretty damn popular, and would be a nice way to do something different with the Batman character once Nolan's trilogy is complete. The Wachowski Brothers are perfect for Superman, and are much better suited for Superman than Zack Snyder is.

  • shot on green screen with minimal sets for a more stylized environment and lighting.

  • March 29, 2011, 8:47 p.m. CST

    MAKE BATMAN BEYOND

    by batman713

    PLEASE! Have Nolan and co. produce, bring in Bale for old Bruce Wayne and cast a spunky kid for Terry McGinnis.

  • March 29, 2011, 8:52 p.m. CST

    I agree Nolan should not be part of a reboot

    by Chief Joseph

    He had his shot. If he wants to be involved, then don't reboot. (That being said, haven't the same producers and moneymen been involved in all these movies since Batman 89?) I'm a bit tired of hearing classic Batman villains being shot down for these movies because they aren't "verisimilar" enough for Nolan's take.

  • March 29, 2011, 8:53 p.m. CST

    imagin78 , golf clap for you

    by MurderMostFowl

    Reboot inside a reboot....That was damn funny, man! I'm still laughing

  • Seriously?! let's develop the other DC characters now that we get Batman just about perfect..

  • March 29, 2011, 8:59 p.m. CST

    please no reboot

    by MurderMostFowl

    Unless it's a side step reboot... meaning no origin story... just be a batman story. Worked fine for Bond, and Jack Ryan.

  • March 29, 2011, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Fuck let's not give Hollywood ideas, guys...

    by D.Vader

    Let's see them hang themselves.

  • All the endless reboots, remakes, and prequels are becoming almost like some gigantically complex and satirical social experiment. We're all guinea pigs.

  • March 29, 2011, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Next time give him a blue & grey costume...

    by Bob Cryptonight

    I'm sick of this black only crap with all of the Art Deco plates embedded in the chest and arms. Just make the suit the same as in the original comics, but make his logic for wearing it simply that he is CRAZY and ANGRY.

  • March 29, 2011, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Really....

    by yubnubrocks

    this needs to be a series on AMC or HBO. Batman is 99% character driven, and needs lots of time to develop them. Yes, the new movies are good, but imagine a series (8-13 episodes per season) where you could do so much more. Not some crappy CW show (ok, Smallville has lasted longer than any Star Trek series) but a show with a high budget, great actors, writing, etc. AMC has done it. HBO has, too. It's time.

  • and do it right. The Punisher is very much like Batman in that he has an alter ego, Frank Castle, and uses more realistic means to take down the baddies. Neither are superhero characters with supernatural or sci-fi powers, but using their skills, wits, and believable modern day technology. The Punisher has his own type of vehicle akin to the Batmobile, in the form of the awesome and insanely armed Punisher van. Done right, that would be one of the best damn vehicles ever in an action film. The car chase sequences possible with it are just, well, words can't describe it. If you're a Punisher comics fan you know what I'm talking about. It would be great to someday see a bigger budget Punisher movie that finally gets the character right. It can be done. Just as we've endured some horrible Batman films, with the exception of Tim Burton's first Batman film, so too have we endured three crappy Punisher films. Hopefully the fourth attempt, if one is made, will get it right and launch a kick ass action/superhero franchise from it.

  • March 29, 2011, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Arkym Asylum would make a good movie but

    by Phategod100

    they need to toss the 3rd act.

  • However I do like your idea that we have a Batman film where Batman is not the main character. He's a shadowy legend that weaves in and out of someone else's story. You know what would be really fuckin' badass and will never, ever be done? Make the movie about a criminal. Show his life in Gotham, how things went to shit. Make it fucking The Departed or something, and Batman keeps slithering out of the shadows (like someone else said) keeping one step ahead. He's got some friends trying to pull him into the gang, family trying to keep him out, he's got a a druggy brother that keeps fucking with his life and Batman seems to be following his every move. At the end of the movie we find out that Batman has been manipulating everything. He's moved this little pissant around like a piece on a chess board and managed to set everything in motion to crush the gang once and for all. And when it goes down, Batman fucks 'em all up. Afterwards Batman takes this snivelly little shit and dumps him in the prison. The little prick is pissed and as Batman chucks him into a cell the criminal turns around and says "How could you use me like that? How could you send me into all that shit knowing what would happen?" Batman slams the cell door shut. We see his lips pull back over his teeth and his eyes narrow (cuz my Batman would have white eyes) and he'd say "I've known punks like you my whole life. Looking for shortcuts. Looking for a quick payout. Cut through an alley in my city and you'll find me." He turns to leave. "Your cellmate Bane will be back from the gym soon. I'm sure you'll make a cozy pillow." Aw come on, admit that could be a pretty badass flick.

  • March 29, 2011, 9:45 p.m. CST

    They should make Batman like the James Bond Franchise.

    by Happyfat73

    Standalone films that tell self-contained stories. Different actors and directors can come and go, different stylistic approaches can be employed. Just give Batman a different villain to deal with in each film, and definitely do not go back to another origin story.</p> They should be doing this with Superman as well.

  • March 29, 2011, 9:47 p.m. CST

    So long as it's not an origin story...

    by Johnno

    I can only sit through the same damn thing so many times. I don't even want to hear about it in the reboot/reimagine outside of just 1 minute if you absolutely have to. That is all.

  • March 29, 2011, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Douche or Turd sandwich

    by Gazzault

    Douche or turd sandwhich, Bored, bored, bored of hollywood reeboot, remake, sequal monkeybollocks. Personally Im all for remaking films for a new audiance, but with films that are worth remaking Like....Clash of the TiTans and Dune, Etc, but what hollywood get wrong is messing with the story... COTTITANS, just remake the film with the same story, but with updated visual effects Morrons. DONT remake films like ROBOCOP, Predator, Total recal.(WHY<WHY<WHY). And as for reeboot, Well when it comes to comicbook movies its not such a bad thing, as different comicbook writers give a fresh new aproach to the characters all the time, so this should translate to movies o.k. BUT FUCK ME give it a few years MAN, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU... GET some original ideas douchbags.....Or let us breath and take in the current films before you bombard us with reeboot shit. Oh and by the way if there gonna reeboot batman, they should just do a movie version of Batman ARkham Asylum. END OF RANT

  • March 29, 2011, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Nolan's role in the post-Nolan films

    by fathergreedosarducci

    I don't really think Nolan's role in any Batman film made after his own trilogy, will guarantee "Nolan-esque" touches in this films, in terms of tone or casting. Remember that Tim Burton got a production credit on the first Joel Schumacher Bat-film, and there wasn't a single Burton fingerprint to be found anywhere on that piece of work.

  • March 29, 2011, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Bale Batman in Justice League

    by KoolerThanJesus

    I'm having a bit of difficult remembering the timeline established in DC's Year Zero, but wasn't Batman the first hero to start operating after the Golden Age heros retired? Feasibly Nolan's Batman could work as the first of the superheros to come along, then the rest of the Justice League start to appear in the public. Batman was always a reluctant member of the Justice League, so the personality of Bale's Batman would work in the League. There's no need to reboot as long as he's not killed off in the third movie.

  • March 29, 2011, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Barely scratched the surface

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I hope TDKR is four hours long because they have barely scratched the surface on this version of Batman. Bale has a few more in him and even without Nolan I don't see why we couldn't have another adventure starring Bale.

  • March 29, 2011, 10:28 p.m. CST

    um yes...

    by yubnubrocks

    that's why this needs to be on TV. Fuck the movies.

  • Gotham's not gonna be completely purged after 2012, even though we won't see any more movies with any characters from this series I bet we might see Christian Bale dying as an old man a la Godfather III, decades after he's given up the mantle like when Michael Corleone passed it to his illegitimate nephew.

  • March 29, 2011, 10:41 p.m. CST

    ☆☆LEFT-BRAIN CINEMA☆☆™ Classic Review

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    BATMAN BEGINS (2005) Directed by Christopher Nolan "Batman Begins" at last penetrates to the dark and troubled depths of the Batman legend, creating a superhero who, if not plausible, is at least persuasive as a man driven to dress like a bat and become a vigilante. The movie doesn't simply supply Batman's beginnings in the tradition of a comic book origin story, but explores the tortured path that led Bruce Wayne from a parentless childhood to a friendless adult existence. The movie is not realistic, because how could it be, but it acts as if it is. Nolan turns "Batman Begins" into something much closer to Frank Miller's "Dark Knight" interpretation than the glamorous, slam-bang Hollywood jokefests into which the series had slipped by the time Joel Schumacher took over from Tim Burton. The earlier Batman movies were charades. With Christian Bale in the title role, it's a biopic, filled with nuance, emotion and contradictions. Bale, in his first venture into superhero status, hits just the right balance between Bruce's uncertainty and the intensity of his alter ego. Besides, Michael Caine, as faithful butler Alfred, and Morgan Freeman, who plays Wayne's corporate conspirator Lucius Fox, elevate any project in which they appear. Say goodbye to "pow" and "zowie." Say hello to a level of raw excitement that at times makes Batman look like a predator for justice. There's just the pleasure of seeing something that's both fantastic to the eye and emotionally dimensional. This is how to make action movies. Intriguing, insightful - it's a journey of the imagination, exploring the nature and power of fear. If comic books must be a staple of our movie diet, please let them be as thought-provoking and thrilling as this. Here's a legend sometimes proved true: Sharp writing and thoughtful directing make the oldest tales seem new. A knockout. ★★★★★

  • March 29, 2011, 10:44 p.m. CST

    IAN SOMERHALDER CAN BE THE NEXT DARK KNIGHT

    by Meadowe

    Said it before and it bares repeating. Yeah he's not that tall, but neither was Keaton.

  • March 29, 2011, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Reboot? Yes please.

    by catlettuce4

    But without Nolan's input. He's had his run, now let's see a fresh take.

  • It would be so much more exciting if the producers were taking this seriously instead of just trying to squeeze as much money as possible out of Batman (meaning pandering to the LCD, making sure every newcomer won't feel left out by over-explaining everything, etc. etc.) but the reality is, if your Grandma wouldn't understand what's going on in any given Batman movie, the moneybags aren't going to finance it. You want a really interesting Batman movie? Let them make it in Spain. At this point, the whole thing has been watered down, remixed, and beaten into a bloody pulp so badly that I seriously do not give a shit about any new Batman effort. JLA sounds fun... we HAVEN'T seen Bats and Supes bitch each other out on the big screen, and that would at least be new AND classic at the same time. But Batman, solo, is tired and done. If Heath Ledger hadn't done some seriously interesting, kick-ass shit in the last pre-packaged processed extravaganza, I would not have bothered to see it- never was sold on Bale as Batman, and still ain't. HL was the thing to see in the last one... and if they can't find something- or someone- truly riveting BESIDES Bale's "fucking professional" take of Wayne/Batman, I won't bother with TDKR. Well, I might see it when it hits RedBox. But I sure as shit ain't spending babysitter and theater-ticket money on it. They can have exactly $1.07 of my money. How's that?

  • March 29, 2011, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Can we post DC stuff without mentioning Marvel? Bias anyone?

    by Zurge

    I've stated before that there seems to be some bias in this site, and it's very sad.

  • March 29, 2011, 11:03 p.m. CST

    SPACEBALLS: THE REBOOT

    by jules windex

    It arrives in theaters before the first movie is even made!

  • March 29, 2011, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Yeah, a reboot because

    by inkingeekX

    Nolan's Batman is far too real and gritty for a justice league movie-especially when they've obviously set the tone for future DC movies with the Green Lantern abortion that's due and by hiring Hack Snyder for Superman-fuck Warner Bros.

  • March 29, 2011, 11:16 p.m. CST

    How many of you bitches complaining about the reboot

    by thedarklingthrush

    Own 8 different versions of 12 different comics?

  • March 29, 2011, 11:24 p.m. CST

    What they should do is

    by VoiceOfSaruman

    at the end of TDKR, have Michael Caine look at the camera and say "I suppose it all could happened like that. But what if it happened like this..." and then they give a full minute of a rebooted reimagined reinvented Batman. They show him in the womb with little bat-ears. They cut to Batman dancing and drinking poisoned orange juice and then throwing up as Robin watches in horror from the Batmobile's monitor. They CGI the new Batman right into the end fight of Superman 2, kicking Zod's ass. And then right before the credits, you see every DC superhero fly by the camera saying SUCK ON THIS, MARVEL! That would kickass.

  • March 29, 2011, 11:25 p.m. CST

    MARK STRONG AS THE NEW ALFRED PENNYWORTH!

    by Meadowe

    We can finally have a bald, black haired Alfred that is both commanding in his presence yet also paternal...Michael Caine and Michael Gough were both good, but I think Mark Strong if given good enough material will also do very well.

  • Space Balls was right after all! Lonestar: "So what is it you do here?" Mel Brooks as Yogurt: "Merchandising! Merchandising! It's where the real money from the movie is made!"

  • March 29, 2011, 11:36 p.m. CST

    REALLY?!

    by Bryan Hill

    (sigh) Everclear for dinner again...

  • When studios can't pay for original screenplays or start new franchises, go with what you can feel safe investing money in instead.

  • March 29, 2011, 11:40 p.m. CST

    A penny for the_Old_Choppah...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...your parody of Eliot's The Hollow Men is ambitious, but, alas, between the ambition and the execution fell the Shadow...and I don't mean Lamont Cranston. However, the line about "prayers to broken servers" is hilarious, and all too accurate. And as some here have said of movies, I'd rather see a post that tries something hard and fails than one that tries for mediocrity and succeeds. You continue to win my grudging respect. Keep it up, and my respect may soon be unqualified.

  • March 29, 2011, 11:47 p.m. CST

    re: MARK STRONG AS THE NEW ALFRED PENNYWORTH!

    by ATrue

    Uh, meadowe? You can just say Alfred. 'Kay? That you know his last name makes you cool. Feel better? [facepalm]

  • March 29, 2011, 11:51 p.m. CST

    thedarklingthrush...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...Hardy do I finish playing doubting Thomas to the_choppah before I see your referential name crop up. What we have here is....a convocation of English majors.

  • March 30, 2011, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Where's my Speedball movie?

    by dukeroberts

    Make it so!

  • March 30, 2011, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Nothing wrong with 80 year old Mickey Kane hauling 250+ pounds

    by UltraTron

    of batman and assorted gear off a roof on his shoulders and slinging him into a limo. Hell he might weigh 500 pounds the way he crushed that ambulance. Actually those scenes both sucked and were ridiculous. I just watched Kung Fu Hustle the other night. Just a satisfying movie. Digital used as good as it's ever been used really. All the fighting is digitally enhanced-but it's all satisfying. I've seen the movie tons but I still cared about the outcome of each fight and it's a silly wackadoo of a movie. Why isn't there a knock down drag out memorable batman doing an extended Tony Ong Bak fuck all the bullshit fight scene that audiences can get behind and scream-in any of these Nolan batman films? Bring all of your money to bear on this aspect first. When people first got excited about batman in 1989 they were excited because they had read batman comics. They had seen Kung Fu movies and movies like Aliens. There has not been a batman movie as good as aliens or many Kung Fu movies. You should be on this shit with a team of scientists to make this happen

  • March 30, 2011, 1:03 a.m. CST

    I want to see a JJ Abrams' horror reboot of Batman verses some Zombie's!

    by scriptgirl_nipples

  • Not that that worked out great, but it was still a functional sequel while changing the tone of the films. Just in this case, it wasn't really for the better.

  • March 30, 2011, 1:37 a.m. CST

    I hope they don't do another origin story

    by tomimt

    They should just use Batman as already established character, just like Burton did with his Batman.

  • March 30, 2011, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Reboot yes... Another origin, no.

    by Obscura

    we all know the story, we've read/watched/played that story plenty of times.

  • March 30, 2011, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Absolutely LUDICROUS.

    by DiamondJoe

    Is this really where we've got to? Producers are saying, without a hint of embarrassment, that before the next installment in a series of movies has even been filmed, they are planning on fucking rebooting? Is this a joke? A few years ago eyebrows were seriously raised when it was suggested that the second Hulk movie would be a reboot, just 5 years after the last one was released. Now, unbelievably, its the norm, with Spider Man and Superman, and now this. And I note with interest that once again, on receipt of the news of yet another outraegeously unnecessary cash-grabbing, blood-squeezing, cynical franchise reboot/remake/reimagining/arse rape, the above article contains not one word of criticism, distaste, or even mild caution. Yes folks, your friendly movie news site, run by geeks for geeks, approves. Hollywood may proceed with full backing from these quarters in shoving every successful franchise and character into the sausage machine, safe in the knowledge that all that will be said while reporting these swashbuckling attempts to lighten your wallet will be, "So, what do you guys think?"

  • March 30, 2011, 6:01 a.m. CST

    As others have also noticed (but apparently Beaks hasn't)...

    by DiamondJoe

    ...the notion that Nolan would have anything whatsoever to do with the rebooting of the character after the third movie is fantasy. The producer is talking out of his ass and I bet this is first Nolan has heard about it. I really cannot get my head around this. I genuinely think it rates as one of the most astonishing things I've heard from Hollywood in the last twenty years. The fact that a reboot, made just 7 years ago, and was pointedly titled Batman Begins, apparently untroubles this producer (and, evidently, this site). We are through the fucking looking glass here, people. All bets are off.

  • Nolan's take was "realistic", so instead of bouncing back to camp, go straight to Morrison's deconstructo-psychedelic-insane version of Batman, directed by Jodorowski. I'd happily play double the ticket price for that.

  • March 30, 2011, 7:24 a.m. CST

    I'm on the fence with this...

    by vezner2007

    First of all, I really love Nolan's Batman films. I'm confident that TDKR is going to be just as awesome as the first two and I can't wait to see it. I'm also ok with him ending it because I'd rather see a conclusion to the story than see another director take over and make it look like shit. Just look at what happened with Tim Burton's Batman films. Second, normally I HATE HATE HATE reboots. IMO it's lazy film making and one of the reasons for why Hollywood absolutely SUCKS these days. They friggin remake every other film and it's just getting stale. Having said that, I would love to see a JLA film done right and without having Christian Bale as Batman (which we all know will NEVER happen), they will need to establish a new Batman somehow. Rebooting the films seems to be the only way to do it. I just hope it's done well and not some cheap production that pales in comparison to Nolan's films. I've always been more of a DC fan and seeing a JLA movie would rock if it was done well. I pray that WB knows what it's doing.

  • March 30, 2011, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Reboot/origin.

    by Inadequate Sandwich

    For the record, I think it's amusing that people are yelling about "not another origin!" when we've only ever gotten one Batman film (on the big screen and not animated I mean.) that covered the origin. But that's neither here nor there. Why is it people just assume that in rebooting it MUST be an origin film? Burton's first Batman had nothing to do with an origin, the origin was touched upon sure, but it was by no means a real telling of that Bats beginnings. In that film Batman is simply already around. Why couldn't a reboot do the same thing? Answer: There's no reason it couldn't.

  • March 30, 2011, 8:04 a.m. CST

    In The Near Future, Reboots Will Be Much Easier

    by NeonFrisbee

    Just make one movie and then, every few years, re-release it with new actors digitally inserted into the film. So, like, with TDK, just re-release that, but have, I dunno, someone from Jersey Shore playing Batman. Just digitally insert him over all the scenes with Christian Bale as Batman. It would be much cheaper to do that, and Americans are so unbelievably stupid, they won't know that it's the same movie with different actors digitally inserted into it. Lucas kind of already started this with his "Special" Editions. I think that's the future. The future of the de-evolution of the species.

  • March 30, 2011, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Must We???

    by BeyondStatic

    I'm excited about Batman coming to an end on Nolan's terms. Can we not just leave it be? And please, dear God, stay away from "Batman Beyond". Audiences just won't get it yet.

  • March 30, 2011, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Bruce Wayne dies, someone else takes over

    by IWantCheese

    Doesn't that tick both the boxes of definitive end and reboot ?

  • March 30, 2011, 8:14 a.m. CST

    What's In a Name? Back Broken @ start, Rises in Film

    by Baribunma

    Just as George Lucas' changing the title of Episode VI from "Revenge of the Jedi" to "Return of the Jedi" foreshadowed Luke "saving the soul, and returning Darth to the Jedi Anakin", the title "The Dark Knight Rises" gives the game away: Bale breaks Batman's back early in the film. Most of the rest of the movie is Bruce painfully recovering with the help of Alfred and Gordon, maybe even Selina Kyle. Self-doubts, angst, all that "deep" stuff. Gotham is going to hell by the end of the flick and Batman must Rise (perhaps using some exo-skeleton designed by Lucius Fox). The Dark Knight rises, and, in a fury of cinematic, Nolanesque glory, defeats Bale and all the crazies terrorizing Gotham. Mission complete, Bruce hangs up the suit, settles back with Selina. Cue credits.

  • March 30, 2011, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Do ya think....

    by cloudyP

    ....that maybe, someday, people will wake up and realize that movies about adult men running around in tights and capes are just kinda... dumb? That even the nerd - wetdream "dark knight" was full of lazy-writer BS ("Oh - the bad guys are gonna get batman... WAIT - his motorcycle has TINY MISSILES that shoot hundreds of feet of STEEL CABLE that can FLIP A CAR OVER!!! Whew, that was CLOSE!"). I'm just hopin'. Every time I see a fantastic 4 or whatever movie trailer, I'm suddenly embarrassed to be male...

  • March 30, 2011, 8:31 a.m. CST

    um..this is no different than comics keeping characters going

    by FleshMachine

    ever think about that u whiny fuckholes?

  • March 30, 2011, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Burton Forever

    by vadersmyfather

    Burton served as Producer for "Forever" which had a completely different tone to "Returns."

  • Exactly. We're almost at the point where they reboot a series because Katie Holmes gets replaced by Baggy Gyllenhaal and OMG the audience will be totally confused, we'll have to start the whole series from scratch, complete with origin story. How hard is it for Hollywood to treat superhero films like regular films? How often do we see a movie that needs an origin story for a central character who's a doctor or a lawyer or a soldier or any other profession? Guy's a doctor, Hollywood doesn't turn it into 'Physician Begins' or 'Doctor Rises', they just get on with the story at hand. Guy's a superhero, just get on with the fucking story. Comics don't redo a different take on the central character's origin every 20-odd issues so that potential new readers can use it as a "jumping-on point" to avoid confusion.

  • March 30, 2011, 9:10 a.m. CST

    by vadersmyfather

    I don't think reboot neccessarily means an origin story

  • March 30, 2011, 9:17 a.m. CST

    I wonder if Green Lantern is going to start

    by OSAMP1

    the Justice League tie ins. I would probably be more interested in watching it if that was true.

  • March 30, 2011, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah and scratchmonkey

    by OSAMP1

    I like what you are saying about superhero films. I see it as a cash grab to have people feel invested and keep coming back for more.

  • March 30, 2011, 9:20 a.m. CST

    neonfrisbee RE: Morrison and Jodorowsky

    by blakindigo

    HELL YES!!

  • March 30, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST

    JGL's character in TDKR is unknown/unconfirmed, right?

    by OptimusBob

    Stands to reason he will probably be Jean Paul Valley and step in for BW when Bane breaks his back. Becoming the new Batman.

  • March 30, 2011, 11 a.m. CST

    @ optimusbob

    by Baribunma

    Could work. End of arc.

  • March 30, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST

    fleshmachine - films are not comics.

    by DiamondJoe

    Comics and superhero films are both inherently absurd, but comics can do so much more in terms of how far credulity will stretch and how much your audience will accept. Example: could Crisis on Infinite Earths ever be made into a coherent, even vaguely believable film? No. It is so inherently absurd that it could never, ever work on celluloid. And the point is pretty irrelevant anyway. The issue here is the whole idea of pre-planning a reboot, even before the current narrative is finished and been seen by anyone. Fuck it, why can't every film just be rebooted straight away? This is where things are heading. It's tiresome artistic and creative bankruptcy, nothing more and nothing less. And even I doubt they'd be quite so stupid as to do an origin story. The circumstances of Batman's origin have been known since what, 1940? It has been depicted in full in 2 films, and shown fleetingly in Forever, if I remember rightly. There is NOTHING left to tell, nothing new that would be playable. The field has been fucking ploughed, y'know? Even Begins didn't add a great deal, really. Just some extra shots of him spray painting his body armour and sourcing a car from his tech boffin. I have a feeling Nolan is about to seriously screw with the accepted formula, and that excites me. If I were to guess, I think Batman will die but Bruce Wayne will live, if you see what I mean. He's going to draw a definitive line in the sand and that's it. And then you'll get a shitty Forever-style film with Robert Pattinson or some other mook, for the SOLE PURPOSE of propping up a bloated Justice League cash cow. It will have no other artiscally valid reason to exist.

  • March 30, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Charlie Sheene as Batman, Lady GaGA as Joker!! - Epic!!!!!

    by Arkhaminmate001

    With a zillion supertwat movies around i'm bored by it all....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • March 30, 2011, 11:54 a.m. CST

    fuck off spammer

    by Arkhaminmate001

  • March 30, 2011, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Why do people assume reboot = origin story?

    by NHRonin

    There's zero reason to assume that rebooting the series means having to do an origin story. The character of Batman is well known enough to audiences where they could just start the film where Bruce is already the established Batman and not have to go through the whole how he became the Bat saga. If they were smart at Warner (and I'm not assuming they are), they'd start putting cameos of other JL heroes in the movies that are going to feature. For instance, no reason why the new Superman couldn't show up at the end of Green Lantern.

  • March 30, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST

    If it aain't broke, why reboot it?

    by HB_Dad

    First they reboot Spiderman, now Batman? Do these folks not realize that both are the two best comic-hero movies of all time? Sure Spiderman 3 kind of was lacking a bit but neither series needed a reboot but a continuance. I was hoping both series would go the James Bond route and continually evolve the story even with new actors over time. Rebooting is a slap in the face as it wipes the slate clean of all of the amazing stuff they already did. This is terrible news indeed...

  • Also, it's to be expected that After Nolan's next Batman movie, that the character would get a new rebott, à lá Spider-Man. And in some ways, i think it's for the best. To have the Nolan's Batman movies as a seperate thing, have them be their own thing, i'm down with that. And then there's the matter of closure, whihc, so far as i can see, it has not happened with any other comic book movie franchise yet.

  • March 30, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST

    hmmn... rather they just picked it up from where Nolan left off

    by Smack_Teddy

    i wouldn't be bothered if the whole tone/direction shifted quite a bit, but i guess WB have their eyes on a smallville like show etc and more milking of the franchise for a young audience. Oh well. Maybe that's judgmental. I like that Nolan will be overseeing the reboot though. And Rises still sounds great with each new bit of news.

  • March 30, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Robin?

    by Brigon

    I wonder if the Batman reboot would include Robin? Sure Robin wouldn't work in Nolan's take on Batman, but a rebooted Batman that has a universe suited to Justice League might.

  • Hollywood, you're struggling.

  • March 30, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST

    mattman

    by AsimovLives

    "I'm sure Bale would be up for Returns in 25 years. He's that kind of crazy. He'd probably self-induce a real heart attack while filming the final scene, to make it authentic." That's the funniest thing i have read all week!

  • March 30, 2011, 4:32 p.m. CST

    sithmenace_returns: They have a superhero division.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    It's called D.C. Comics.

  • March 30, 2011, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Snyder says his Superman will have no link to the Justice League:

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Asked how his Superman film fits in with Justice League, he said, It doesn’t. Like what Chris Nolan is doing and what I’m doing with Superman, what they’ll do with Justice League will be it’s own thing with it’s own Batman and own Superman. We’ll be over here with our movie and they kinda get to do it twice which is kinda cool. http://www.slashfilm.com/zack-snyder-superman-justice-league-superman/

  • March 30, 2011, 4:54 p.m. CST

    BATMAN REBOOTS

    by Shubniggorath

    or, THE DARK KNIGHT REBOOTS Waiting for my check in the mail. WB....

  • March 30, 2011, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Re: Why do I think the Avengers will never be made?

    by Phategod100

    Thats what I thought Before they got rid of Norton but Evans really hasn't been around to really have an ago, Hemsworth definately shouldn't have an ego He's been in like what? 1 and 1/4 movies, I can't even remeber who the hell Mark Ruffalo even is, And Samuel Jackson will do anything for a check. So the only Ego that needs stroking is RDJ and maybe Renner. I think I see why Marvel cast 3 virtual nobodies as The Avengers and kept RDJ, budget and to keep the egos in check.

  • March 30, 2011, 5:57 p.m. CST

    My Poll Card Is A Penis!

    by Chris McAleese

    No, seriously. Batman Schmatman! http://mypollcardisapenis.blogspot.com/

  • March 30, 2011, 6:50 p.m. CST

    I believe they just started a third Spiderman reboot as well

    by chifforobe

    Why not?

  • March 30, 2011, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Nolan rubbish with action you say?

    by zooch

    I suppose you weren't watching the bank robbery or car chase scenes from TDK or the floating hotel fight scene from Inception?

  • Agreed. Stand-alone adventures. New villian each time. You already have an M in Commissioner Gordon and a Q in Lucius Fox. What more do you need?

  • March 30, 2011, 9:45 p.m. CST

    What is going on with the Flash movie?

    by Gremlin517

    Haven't heard anything about that or the Captain Marvel movie in ages... BTW, Check out my art at : http://xavierlopezjr.blogspot.com/

  • Hell, start each film with an epic 3D CGI opening title sequence of the hero's father's sperm swimming through the hero's mom's vagina and then in montage format, showing the whole process of the hero fetus growing until the hero is born.

  • March 31, 2011, 12:47 a.m. CST

    I call B.S.

    by B DeNiro

    There is no way the execs over at WB will say 'Sure Nolan, kill Batman or whatever the hell you wanna do to close *your* franchise (lol...not that Bob Kane, Frank Miller and other writers didn't put the map with locations in place...Its Tracing not Drawing, sucka!), and we'll go ahead and reboot it. We're not gonna follow the model of continuing the process with other qualified directors because simply you came with a note from the Divine which simply said NO ONE CAN DIRECT A PROPER BATMAN MOVIE BUT THIS GUY RIGHT HERE---signed, Your Maker.' Come on, now!?!?! Spider-Man is not even a proper example because SM3 Sucked. Hard. X3? Yep, sucked as well. Maybe even Harder. Unless TDKR is in that category with the Hard Suck, WB is not gonna jeopardize a cash cow for the uncertain. Bale is gone? Fine. Recast. Nolan is executive producer? Grab a seat by Tim Burton and enjoy the ride (aka cash the check).

  • March 31, 2011, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Reboot hate for comic movies?

    by WhatTheHellHappenedToMe

    You're all retarded. Do you actually read comics? There's no source material better suited for constant rebooting. Other than maybe King Arthur or Robin Hood, who have an equal amount of story overhauling on a routine basis.

  • Actually...quite the contrary. http://www.movieline.com/syndication.php?vaid=46a8a5d06e57c1a2a33d9ac49101dd02

  • March 31, 2011, 2:05 p.m. CST

    lv_426

    by AsimovLives

    That's pratically the begining of Abrams Trek (they evne shot the birth of spock, but ended up noy using it in the movie), and yet not many people complained about it, in fact, people were masturbating at the origin story since birth of NuKirk boy. So, i ask, why is it that geeks complaij about origin stories for the heroes, but with Abrams Trek it suddently became cool and the way to go?

  • April 1, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST

    I hope The Amazing Spider-Man fucking bombs.

    by flax

    No more reboots. The studios need to see that. Grand multi-film continuities are a far better alternative. Marvel's film universe got off to a rough start with the cameo-laden Iron Man 2, but the core concept still has fantastic potential.