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Mr. Beaks Calls For The Blu-Ray Release Of KILL BILL: THE WHOLE BLOODY AFFAIR!

Published at: March 29, 2011, 12:02 a.m. CST

 
(If you've never seen KILL BILL, skip this review: I'm going to let slip a huge spoiler right off the bat. Oh, and FIELD OF DREAMS gets spoiled in the fifth paragraph.)

 

When the decision was made in the summer of 2003 to split Quentin Tarantino's four-hour revenge yarn, KILL BILL, into two parts, it was an ideal compromise between two notoriously obstinate individuals. This release strategy allowed Tarantino's vision to remain mostly intact, while at the same time gave Miramax honcho Harvey Weinstein the opportunity to turn a $60 million gamble into two $30 million sure things. It was an Art vs. Commerce settlement that benefitted everyone.

Except Uma Thurman. And the audience.

Though a necessary evil, this halving of a film designed to be viewed in whole (broken up only by a brief intermission) required Tarantino to give moviegoers a palpable reason to come back and pay cash money for Volume 2. It wasn't enough that The Bride's quest for revenge was only two-fifths complete because, at the midway point of Tarantino's idiosyncratically-structured narrative, we just weren't that emotionally involved in her mission. Not yet. 111 minutes into the story, we actually knew more about O-Ren Ishii than The Bride (who hadn't yet been outed as Beatrix Kiddo). And with Hattori Hanzo's ominous warning - that revenge is "like a forest" in which one could easily "get lost" - lingering in our thoughts, it seemed Tarantino might be leading us toward a dark and unsettling conclusion. Volume 2 sounded like a bummer.

So he fed David Carradine's Bill a cliffhanger tease of dialogue: "Is she aware her daughter is alive?" And suddenly, for the first time in the KILL BILL saga, The Bride's score-settling spasm had a moral purpose.

This was stellar salesmanship at the time, but now that I've seen Tarantino's magpie opus in full, as KILL BILL: THE WHOLE BLOODY AFFAIR, I hate that we were given that piece of information before Beatrix. Imagine if Amy Madigan's character had spied Kevin Costner's dad walking out of the cornfield during the second act of FIELD OF DREAMS and, worried that he might flip out, kept it to herself. That's basically what the cliffhanger at the end of KILL BILL VOL. 1 accomplishes. Not only does it cheat us out of an emotionally devastating revelation during the story's final chapter, it diminishes Thurman's anguished and uncomprehending reaction as Beatrix lays eyes for the first time on B.B., the child whose murder she's been avenging since crawling out of that hellhole of a hospital. In this cut, the heartbreak is unbearable. There's four-year-old B.B., toy gun raised, aimed to kill, with her scumbag biological father - a man who's possessed women his whole wicked life - egging her on. "Bang bang," she says. It takes Beatrix a moment to know how to respond, but she finally hits the ground as ordered. Her baby shot her down. Brutal.

Shorn of commerce-conceding baggage, turns out KILL BILL is a masterpiece after all.

KILL BILL: THE WHOLE BLOODY AFFAIR is not be the value-added orgy of cinema it was rumored to be; it is instead the definitive cut of the film, the one Miramax would've released had there been $120 million worth of admissions out there for a four-hour-plus paean to martial arts and motherhood. This is not a surprise: Tarantino screened this cut for critics at Cannes in 2004, and would later show it at the Alamo Drafthouse and the American Cinematheque. It's a known quantity. Those pining for an extended anime sequence or a House of Blue Leaves showdown with grislier deaths will have to settle for the latter finally unfolding sans MPAA-friendly switch to black-and-white. Perhaps there will be gore-soaked outtakes whenever this cut makes its way to Blu-ray (don't ask when, 'cuz no one seems to know at the moment). Considering how Tarantino typically holds back deleted scenes (e.g. the missing Maggie Cheung footage from INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS), I wouldn't count on it. And, really, who needs to see it?

My overall take on KILL BILL hasn't changed since 2004: it's a dark-hearted tale of revenge that staggers from the forest when Beatrix, facing death a second time, literally punches her way out of a wood casket and clambers up through six-feet of soil (one of the most stirring sequences Tarantino has ever put to film, as well as a master class in film editing from the late, great Sally Menke). Up until then, Beatrix is a cold-blooded murderer bound to the nihilistic existence Bill tried to create for her; from that point forward, she is her own woman, empowered by Pai Mei's teachings to liberate herself from a vile man who, once upon a time, sweet-talked her into subservience. And it is because she arrives at this epiphany on her own - at what is literally her lowest moment - that Beatrix earns her second chance with B.B. (after delivering the improbable coup de grace to Bill's ticker, which squares both Beatrix and Pai Mei - who taught her the mythical technique - with the universe).

No one is to blame for KILL BILL being compromised eight years ago. Harvey Weinstein gave one of the most talented filmmakers on the planet carte blanche, and, in splitting the movie, protected both his investment and Tarantino. Had KILL BILL bombed, I'm not sure how QT would've responded. He went to career-endangering lengths to get this movie right: he refused second-unit assistance on the House of Blue Leaves battle, and basically learned how to shoot a mindblowingly complex action sequence on the job. On Miramax's dime. No one gets this kind of leeway in today's Hollywood. And while Tarantino's probably too confident to be cowed by a box-office disaster, I'm just glad he had his buddy Robert Rodriguez riding shotgun when he finally put one in the ditch (though I love GRINDHOUSE unabashedly).

But we're well past the point of worrying about KILL BILL's profitability: Volumes 1 and 2 have served their purpose and moved their units; Tarantino's coming off his biggest theatrical success (INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS); and the Weinsteins are poised to break all existing box office records (inflation adjusted) with THE KING'S SPEECH: A PG-13 EXPERIENCE. Let right be done, gentlemen. Let the rest of the world see KILL BILL as Tarantino intended - and as Beatrix Kiddo couldn't have imagined.

Remember... the magpie is worthy of your respect.

Faithfully submitted,

Mr. Beaks

 

P.S. If you're any kind of KILL BILL or Tarantino fan, you should own D.K. Holm's KILL BILL: AN UNOFFICIAL CASEBOOK.

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  • March 29, 2011, 12:08 a.m. CST

    this release would be as useful as an asshole... right here

    by Tigger Tales

  • March 29, 2011, 12:16 a.m. CST

    I disagree that we got cheated out of anything.

    by Zarles

    That finale to Volume I was fantastic. If they had to split it (which they did) there was no better way to do it. I can't wait to see the full 4-hour cut on Thursday and I will definitely be buying its Blu-Ray equivalent when it is inevitably released, but I can't dismiss the power that the end of Volume I had. It was the perfect ending to that film, and it set up the second half perfectly. With that said, my fellow TBers should feel free to start rattling on about whatever inane bullshit they see fit. I fully expect this TB to dissolve into some half-assed political debate or what-have-you in absolutely no time. I have no doubt that you all will not let me down. Carry on.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:18 a.m. CST

    So it's a personal call, not an actual announcement?

    by George Newman

    Yeah, i want it, too. Where can I get that published? <p> I ain't one to usually be snarky, but did you print this out, slap a stamp on it and send it to Quentin's mailbox?

  • March 29, 2011, 12:18 a.m. CST

    yes! bluray NOW!

    by jules windex

    I just got a bluray player and would love it!

  • ... I'm butchering what he said here, but I remember an interview with QT about Pulp Fiction (or maybe it was just a general concept of his regarding story-telling) where he said something like: "At the start we don't really know what's going on, we are thrown in the deep end. Then by the middle of the film we've caught up with the characters and we know what they know. But going into the end we know something they don't know, which can make the scene more interesting." So in a way, the 2-film cut of Kill Bill fit into this story structure. We knew something Beatrix didn't (e.g. her daughter is alive), so we were ahead of her. Personally it didn't make me feel robbed when she found out, it made me want her to find out really badly. Like the way that we all know Clark is Superman and we want to shout at Louis "He's Superman!". Which seems like a fitting comparison, given the Superman rant at the end of Kill Bill. I can't remember, but was this same story technique used in Reservoir Dogs? E.g. we knew who the rat was before the other characters did? I think that was the case.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:43 a.m. CST

    KILL BILL 3:BRIDE OF BLOOD?

    by KHjLL

    Can't wait for 3... THE BRIDE BLADE THE BLADE OF BLOOD or is it going to be about KILL THE BRIDE... The BRIDE becomes a BILL type and a new KILLER assasin wants their revenge maybe TARANTINO take an OLDBOY approach and the BRIDES daughter ends up killing her... I just can't mother funcking wait... Yum Yum can't wait to get me some more EYE CANDY ORGY...

  • March 29, 2011, 12:51 a.m. CST

    BLu - RAY ?

    by KHjLL

    is it gonna be on BLU-RAY... Found one in the pawn shop figured I start re buying MASTERPIECES that a re-released THE PROWLER was the first didn't have a BLU-RAy had to get it for the extra footage... 2nd would have to be KILL BILL: THE WHOLE BLOODY AFFAIR... Maybe KILL BILL: A BLOODY AVENGE STORY A BLOODY VENGEANCE STORY Or what if THE BRIDE goes back to her masters temple and has to KILL everybody that killed his pupils and the story takes off on her quest to KILL the SHADOWS that killed her MASTER... Soory I'm gonna watch the KILL BILL tomorrow as I drift off into ONCE UPON A TIME brush up on the masterpiece...

  • March 29, 2011, 12:53 a.m. CST

    KILL BILL 3

    by KHjLL

    Sorry if I was off on the story line I've been watching WESTERNS and HORROR and writing feel like I woke up from a 150 year nap my memory still stuck in the 1800's.... Feel dumb my heads spinnig EVERY WHICH WAY BUT NOW...

  • March 29, 2011, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Braindrain

    by BlaGyver

    Oh my god that would have been incredible.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:06 a.m. CST

    SORRY my POST R FILLED WITH SPOILERS 4 films

    by KHjLL

    My appologize got carried away and might have ruined one of the greatest films of all time sorry sorry OLDBOY is a MASTERPEICE if no one has seen it...

  • March 29, 2011, 1:23 a.m. CST

    sithmenace_returns

    by RentonRiggs

    I was there for this yesterday as well, so I can speak to the editing differences. I've seen the original versions more times than I can count, but I can't be 100% sure on all counts because the differences were very subtle. Essentially the big ones are as follows (obvious spoiler alert): Part 1: - essentially everything is the same except for House of Blue Leaves, which never cuts to black and white, as he stated, and doesn't have the end montage bit with Daryl Hannah saying "she'll pay with every last breath" and madsen saying "we deserve to die" (which is nice that he saves them for later in the movie since those moments are so powerful, particularly madsens. We still see Sofie in blue light, Bill's hands on her face, asking what Kiddo was up to, but (and I may be remembering the Theatrical cut incorrectly) they show Kiddo cut off her other arm when she is in the trunk, after Sofie curses at her in french, and Bill never says "does she know her child is still alive" (like beaks said. That's what I noticed. The Crazy 88 fight being so vivid in color, it's possible that there are more takes involved, but I couldn't speak to that. Part 2 is essentially identical except it doesn't have the Black and White "bride driving her car while talking to camera" recap section. So it cuts right from Kiddo in motorcycle helmet telling offscreen Sofie "tell them I'm coming for them" and goes right into Chapter 6 With Kiddo's voiceover explaining that the "wedding" was actually a rehearsal, and the black and white sequence where we see Bill for the First time outside the chapel. So he really didn't make many changes (that i noticed, but i may have missed more subtle stuff). All that said, I came away saying the exact same thing Beaks said about saving the revelation about BB being alive for the moment when Uma comes into Bill's mexican luxury suite to kill him. Its so much more effective this way emotionally, i wished i had never seen the film before. It solidifies that entire sequence, her reaction, her demeanor, the way she talks to Bill, it all makes perfect sense this way. So much so that even the long scene where he's talking about Superman waiting for the truth serum to take effect was even captivating, and I used to have issue with that scene. It's pretty much perfect this way. I'd buy the blue ray today if it came out, just so this could be the only way i ever watched it. Hope that helped, apologies if i missed anything.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:26 a.m. CST

    rentonriggs

    by RentonRiggs

    oh, and no, there was no additional animated sequence.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Nevermind, cuz you can get The Shadow!! on blu...

    by Sherlock Holmes II

    This site failed to post my scoop, but nevertheless; there's something better coming out on Blu-ray, May 6th, in Germany. Finally, The Shadow gets the treatment it sorely needs: Details: The Shadow[Shadow und der Fluch des Khan] Blu-ray - Koch Media Germany Release Region B 16:9 Wide-screen(1.85:1) HD 1080p + DTS HD Master Audio 5.1 English, German Running time: 107 min. Release Date: 6th May 2011 Features: Booklet, Trailer, Making of.., Music-video Image Gallery, Rare Advertising Material

  • March 29, 2011, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Vol. 2 Differences

    by mumbles

    Does this version have the little extended montage that starts up the the Esteban scene like the Japanese version does?

  • Just release it as an unrated disc, then they can have the whole thing in color and no one loses.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:23 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    I'm not sure why this WHOLE BLOODY AFFAIR gets so much attention. It's an obvious question - but what's to stop you from sticking KILL BILL 2 in the player soon as KILL BILL 1 finishes? As Beaks says there are no extra linking scenes or new material - in fact you lose the first scene from part 2 (so in a way it's less complete than what we already have). Why get so psyched about this?

  • March 29, 2011, 2:43 a.m. CST

    how about just a regular fucking DVD release?

    by mrbong

    i am getting sick of seeing this site be nothing more than a fucking conduit for "oh, everyone, get a Blu Ray and watch only Blu Rays". Harry's "DVD" release comments will no doubt soon be called "BR release". not everyone who loves movies has the fucking budget for Blu Ray, and we certainly don't get all this shit for free either.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:08 a.m. CST

    last reasonably solid film QT made...it's true

    by quantize

    Basterds was fucking awful...only self conscious pretentious twats though that was actually funny or exciting.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:53 a.m. CST

    Self conscious pretentious twat here

    by theGoldbergV

    Love Inglourious Bastards. Behind Jackie Brown as Tarantino's best film. It goes Jackie Brown> Inglourious Bastards> Pulp Fiction> Kill Bill> Resevoir Dogs> Death Proof And yes, I would get complete Kill Bill on BluRay. Awesome. I don't remember Kiddo cutting Sofia's other arm off in vol1 either...and I must've seen it like 8 times

  • March 29, 2011, 5:32 a.m. CST

    word, thegoldbergv

    by awardgiver

    I'm with you. I feel the same way about his movies, in that order. And only douchebags hated Inglorious Basterds. That, and internet nazi dirtbags. But who cares about them?

  • March 29, 2011, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Yet another epic fail from quantize

    by kwisatzhaderach

  • March 29, 2011, 6:04 a.m. CST

    It was let down horribly by the ending.

    by V'Shael

    I'm not a total QT fan boy. I know shit when I see it. Did anyone see the Mythbusters episode where they investigated punching your way out of a coffin?

  • March 29, 2011, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Kill Bill is already a masterpiece

    by Monolith_Jones

    I agree with zarles, vol. 1 ends perfectly. I'd still buy this when it eventually comes out but I'm not dying for it.

  • March 29, 2011, 6:55 a.m. CST

    KILL BILL Is, Hands Down, My Fave Film Of The 00s

    by NeonFrisbee

    I actually saw the uncut vol 1. -- it came out when I was living in Japan -- so I was shocked when I came home and watched the American cut of vol. 1. What's up with the censored, black and white House of Blue Leaves sequence? And didn't we actually see Kiddo chop off Sophie's other arm in the trunk? Wtf?? I really, REALLY hope they release the full, uncut, WHOLE BLOODY AFFAIR on bluray asap. I would buy that in a heartbeat. (Btw, not for nothing, but Inglourious Basterds (sic) was WAY overrated. I liked it, it had some great moments, but altogether I was disappointed by it. Anyone else share my sentiments?)

  • March 29, 2011, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Kill Bill my favorite QT movie...

    by samuraiyao

    Maybe because it has a ton of action and swordplay and the score even though it's a has of other movie score works fucking well with the movie, I'll buy it in a heartbeat too, if it were to ever come out on bluray!!!!

  • March 29, 2011, 7:17 a.m. CST

    I demand the 4-plus hour cut of Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me

    by tonagan

  • March 29, 2011, 7:20 a.m. CST

    According to wikipedia

    by theGoldbergV

    You DO see the Bride cut off Sofia's other arm in the trunk. Huh. I obviously blocked that out for some reason.

  • March 29, 2011, 7:29 a.m. CST

    I don't know..

    by richievanderlow

    I'm not sure I can watch the Whole Bloody Affair and get what you say about Kiddo's reaction to seeing B.B in a new light. That cat's out of the bag. Who knows how I would have reacted to this new cut. I do remember that watching the end of Kill Bill and hearing that final line made me salivate over the conclusion. Part One was a PHENOMENAL movie on its own. I would not go to the theatre to see a four hour movie. No Way. I get too restless and can't sit still for that long... intermission or no. Getting the two separate films was better than having this masterpiece cut down to say three hours... very little on screen does not have purpose... so I get it, but I'm glad the Weinsteins insisted on splitting it. I'll certainly get the whole bloody affair on Blu Ray when it comes out.. but I'm sure I won't watch it all in one sitting.

  • March 29, 2011, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Pulp is QT's Masterpiece...

    by Mr Soze

    Although Resivor Dogs is my personal favorite

  • March 29, 2011, 8:15 a.m. CST

    re:has_snyder_been_fired_from_superman_yet

    by richievanderlow

    Awesome Idea! He teams up with Nikki to go get Kiddo!

  • March 29, 2011, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Some of us don't own Blu-Ray, so put it on DVD too please

    by MrEkoLetMeLive

    Along with the complete cut of Grindhouse.

  • March 29, 2011, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Color > Black and white

    by knowthyself

    Not a fan of the black and white part of the Volume 1 finale. Some claimed this was an artistic choice but clearly it was just to get this scene by the MPAA ratings board.

  • March 29, 2011, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Bluray only like Grindhouse please.

    by knowthyself

    Make those bastards convert. DVD is so two years ago.

  • March 29, 2011, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Bullshit. KB1 does NOT show Sophie get her other arm cut off.

    by spire_walk

    Not in any American version I have ever seen, at least. My favorite QT movies: Kill Bill>Pulp Fiction>Reservoir Dogs>Jackie Brown>Inglorious Bastards>Death Proof

  • March 29, 2011, 8:25 a.m. CST

    We need an HD-DVD version!

    by Truxton Spangler

    I keed. "Headgeek has chosen HD-DVD... Here's Why..." "I also have a habit of picking the winning formats." Classic AICN moments. Blu-ray players ain't _that_ expensive.

  • March 29, 2011, 8:41 a.m. CST

    my fave qt movies

    by emeraldboy

    jackie brown pulp fiction resevoir dogs after that parts of kill bill one and two.... i have seen both films in their entirety and I only like parts of them. I like the opening of Inglorious basterds but found the rest of the movie to be utterly long winded and dull. except the part with pitt as the italian, which was hysterical. and christoph walz has hanz landa.

  • March 29, 2011, 8:48 a.m. CST

    You See Sophie Get Her Other Arm Cut Off In The Uncut FULL Version

    by NeonFrisbee

    The one I saw when I was living in Japan. The House of Blue Leaves is also in full color all the way through. It might even be longer, but I forget. I haven't seen the uncut version since 2003, so, I can't remember clearly. Oh yeah, and KILL BILL is def my favorite QT movie too.

  • March 29, 2011, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Fact: Death Proof was awesome.

    by Fawst

    Made you click.

  • Quit fucking whining. The jump in quality is VERY noticable.

  • March 29, 2011, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Her daughter waas better off with Bill.

    by BobParr

    Bill even cut the crust off her Wonder Bread. She's an unemployed, violent sociopath.

  • March 29, 2011, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Nice write-up Beaks

    by Will_Dearborn

    Agreed on nearly everything, especially the disastrous decision the first time around to reveal B.B.'s existence at the end of Volume One. As you mentioned, it muted the emotional high point of the movie. If I'm showing people the two movies together for the first time, I stop Volume One just before that line comes on. One thing to know: Tarantino has stated in interviews that transitioning from color to black-and-white in the House of Blue Leaves was not entirely about getting the film past the MPAA. Primarily, he was concerned about the audience feeling the length of the sequence (he'd seen enough overlong Hong Kong action finales to know that they can get exhausting -- and this was to come at the midpoint of the movie), so he kept mixing things up stylistically. The sequence moves from color to B&W, and then to silhouettes. The truth is that I think it's better in its original form. Robert Richardson wasn't shooting it all to be seen in color, and there's something strange about the look of the photography in the converted section (the color of the blood specifically feels a lot lighter than in the rest of the sequence). Hopefully audiences will get the opportunity to make that decision for themselves...

  • March 29, 2011, 9:10 a.m. CST

    There will be an extra 20 mins. of Uma's foot

    by BobParr

    Not aesthetically pleasing.

  • March 29, 2011, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Hobo With a Shotgun tore down the house

    by Spandau Belly

    It was a way better grindhouse movie than Tarantino or Rodriguez made.

  • March 29, 2011, 9:56 a.m. CST

    They should have split The Dark Knight in two

    by rev_skarekroe

    Added an extra 30 minutes to make Two-Face into a real villain instead of just a revenge-driven Harvey Dent and done a 100 minute Joker film and a 100 minute Two-Face film. That's what I say.

  • Sorry, but EVERYTHING about the showdown between Beatrix and Bill was anti-climactic. What had previously see-sawed between Hong Kong chop-socky "high cheese" to spaghetti Western cool ended abruptly in a condo with a slo-mo game of pattycake? My disappointment with this bloodless, suburban ending was so profound that I don't think I've watched Part 2 again since it came out on DVD. The ending was just so incredibly pedestrian compared to the stylistic overflow of the preceding 3 1/2 hours.

  • March 29, 2011, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Yuki's Revenge

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    My favorite part of the script. Did he even shoot it?

  • March 29, 2011, 10:21 a.m. CST

    MAGPIE = WTF!? It's a "magnum opus" so what are you talking about?

    by golden tribw

    I can't tell if I'm missing out on some wordplay (I don't remember any birds in Kill Bill) or if you're just completely dyslexic like Capone.

  • March 29, 2011, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Also @gruntybear

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    I remember the original script had a sword fight on the beach at dawn that ended with the deathpalm thingy. I could be wrong, it's been a while.

  • March 29, 2011, 10:23 a.m. CST

    P.S. I WON'T PAY A CENT UNTIL IT'S ALL IN COLOR, FUCK B&W

    by golden tribw

    fuck it to death along with anyone who apologizes for it. That shit was released in color in Japan so fucking make it happen.

  • I'd just like to know what the actual differences are, is it re-edited or is it just the two movies playing right after the other? I got the Japanese DVD of pt.1 so I saw the actual longer fight without the crappy switch to black and white, is there anything else added? Also, has anyone called bullshit on Tarantino saying the switch was an artistic choice and then keeping all the blood for the Japanese?

  • March 29, 2011, 10:35 a.m. CST

    I demand to see the 4 hr, uncut ASS BLASTERS 4.

    by simongarth2001

  • March 29, 2011, 10:53 a.m. CST

    SERIOUSLY SOMEONE EXPLAIN THE FUCKING MAGPIE

    by golden tribw

    ???????????????????

  • March 29, 2011, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Bluray Players Are Dirt Cheap Now

    by NeonFrisbee

    I held out for a long time, but picked one up maybe about 2 months ago for $90 and I LOVE IT. Another thing to consider is that you can play all your old dvds on it, and it kinda upconverts them -- the picture looks better. Finally, they've been bundling blurays and dvds together as of late. So, you pay $20 and get both the dvd and the bluray in one package. It's at the point now where they're practically giving them away. I'm glad I'm waited. I can't wait for the Tron bluray next week! ;-D

  • March 29, 2011, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Part 2 was dumb and ruined the whole film

    by Ben Addiction

    Why are we having to suffer through the most cliched training sequence in the world? Why would she walk off and leave Elle not dead? (real dumb - she of all people should know that one could survive and come back, plus, you know - the revenge and all). That whole wedding and Mexico parts were tedious, and the confrontation with Bill a snooze. Tarantino is way too in love with his shitty pretentious pop philosophy dialogue. I want a fucking showdown, not a 20 minute lecture on Superman or some nonsense. It's like he heard his shit doesn't stink so he's eating fiber and laxatives all day to give the people what they want. Part one was pretty fun, though.

  • March 29, 2011, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Split in 2 on blu ray anyway

    by Candy ass monkey suit

    If they intended to release TWBA on one blu ray, they would have to split the movie over 2 discs anyway to keep audio and visual quality to the maximum. So this seems pointless to me.

  • March 29, 2011, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Pointless, pointless, pointless. I agree, candy ass monkey suit.

    by D Ropaela

    Re-release into a boxed set, sure, and re-insert the original House of Blue Leaves fight, but otherwise I couldn't care less. It's not like I can go back and unwatch that scene with Bill's revelation at the end of KB1. And you know what? I still think the scene at the end of KB2 when she finds out is powerful even though we know who's waiting for her. It's like in "The Godfather, Part II" SPOILERSPOILERSPOILERSPOILERSPOILERSPOILER when Michael Corleone finds out it was Fredo who betrayed him. It's revealed to the audience early in the movie and establishes an undercurrent of tension that builds until that moment Michael finds out. Same goes for Beatrix/The Bride. WE know what she's going to find at the end; the excitement comes from watching her react. It's cathartic.

  • March 29, 2011, 11:29 a.m. CST

    KB I and II may be the most "fun" of QT's movies, but Inglorious Basterds...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...is a masterpiece. Exhilarating.

  • I'm down for that.

  • March 29, 2011, 11:35 a.m. CST

    NOW is the time to WAKE UP, my CHOPlings!

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Due to the current events in Japan and in the Middle East I think the subject of 2012 is of great importance RIGHT NOW. There is a great change occurring RIGHT NOW. And for those who understand and are at peace with the changes that are occurring and are to occur will find this shift miraculous beyond description. But for those who decide to ignore their inner calling and go about life as if nothing miraculous is transpiring right here and now, then all I can say to them is hold on because it's about to get uncomfortable. VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. It's not very hard to notice these changes if you just sit back and observe for just one minute. Everything unlike the nature of God, Christ, Spirit, higher self, CHOPPAH whatever term you have come to accept as the universal principle, (I personally like CHOPPAH Consciousness so that is what I'll use here), anything unlike the nature of the CHOPPAH Consciousness will no longer manifest or pretend to exist. The illusions of the ego, the non-CHOPPAH ego, are coming to a end ... FAST. This is why you are seeing the collapse of governments and financial systems, and dramatic shifts in weather systems. The only thing that is going to survive in this new age are systems that are based on CHOPPING and serving the growth of CHOP. You DO NOT have another decade to decide. NOW IS THE TIME! The ACHOPPAHlypse approacheth!

  • March 29, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Oh, and, uh, Inglourious Basterds is indeed QT's masterpiece.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Ahem. CHOP on.

  • March 29, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Michael Jai White's role remains excised then?

    by Immortal_Fish

    It does? I wonder how he would have fit in.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    JaiWhite does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    immortal_fish, you don't have to wonder about Michael Jai White, his fight scene with Bill is included on DVD as a deleted scene. It's also on youtube, link below: http://tinyurl.com/47v9l3h Beaks didn't mention it being reinstated, so it just reinforces my earlier point that THE WHOLE BLOODY AFFAIR is in fact less complete than what we already have released on DVD!

  • March 29, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    "The ACHOPPAHlypse approacheth!" Blimey. Shit just got real.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Cue the Wagner, Cobes!

    by THE_CHOPPAH

  • March 29, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST

    I have the Japanese version of vol1

    by disfigurehead

    and no it's not radioactive. Too soon?

  • March 29, 2011, 12:38 p.m. CST

    The magpie line...

    by Boone

    was from a cartoon that BB was watching at the end of the movie.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST

    qt is putting the final touches to his texas based

    by emeraldboy

    western called a southern. so says uma thurman. which is set in texas during the slave era. very tricky that one.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Had a double feature recently

    by Arteska

    I'm not sure how people that come to this site can slag on 'em but whatevs. It's pure movie love from where I sit. It's also absurd the number of people that are only interested in the house of blue leaves sequence. Saying so out loud makes its own commentary. Oh yeah and whenever screenings like this one are discussed it's the only time I wish in live in LA.

  • March 29, 2011, 12:58 p.m. CST

    mattman, re: Basterds

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    It often comes on Showtime, and much to the chagrin of my lady friend of the moment (and I literally mean "the moment") I keep that fucker on. Master. Piece.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Good thing this was cut

    by Chopper

    Grindhouse was great but the fact that it was so long hurt its sales big time. The same thing would have happened for a 4 hour kill bill.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    If Kill Bill hadn't been cut into two films

    by Samuel Fulmer

    It would've either flopped at four hours, or been cut to three hours. So if anything, there would be a lot more deleted scenes floating around than there are now, because I can't see it actually being released at four hours back in 2003.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    jai white / mythbusters / pattycake

    by RentonRiggs

    regarding the jai white scene, which i've watched a few times. I rewatched it on youtube after coming home from TWBA, and i think it was smart to cut. Jai White's performance plays it for laughs to a fault, and it would have been offputting to have Uma stand by while Bill kills a bunch of dudes when we should be focused on her training, ramping up to her punching herself out of a box. As for mythbusters take on actually punching yourself out of a coffin, of course its impossible. Of course the pressure and weight of the dirt would prevent such a thing from happening, and even if you could remove the wood, the dirt would crush you, but I'm sure mythbusters didn't do a "flying double foot kick through a california desert trailer door" episode or a "how to kill 88 people single handedly episode. It's not meant to be real. She's supposed to be doing something jawdropping (just look at the way they film her climbing out of the hole, its surreal for a reason) And lastly, the pattycake argument. I actually understand this mentality, especially when viewed as the end of "part 2" because you expect it to top the house of blue leaves. And I had issue with it myself, but I have to say, the way this version is cut, you see why she doesn't just lop his head off. She was on a rampage, thinking her daughter was dead, and now here she is with her daughter in the next room. I see it ias QT setting up a way for them to connect emotionally while honorably pitting them against one another to the death (much like the understanding she and O Ren had in the snow) but allowing it to be less cruel a death / gory a death so that it wouldn't taint BB should she come across the aftermath (i'm just guessing there). But you know, probably not great for BB to get carried through a giant "blue leaves" puddle of Bill's sprayed blood on her way home with mom. Also, as much as I love revenge, I think it would have been strange for them to have a bloody swordfight (and also redundant, given the way she kills O Ren) But that's just me. Clearly QT aint perfect, but this cut is as close as he's gotten (even though the changes are really minute) I think for no other reason than part 2 should never have been its own film, as that sets itself up to be compared to the finale of part 1, which is fallacy because each death / revenge is so specifically crafted for each character, and where The Bride is mentally at that moment. Asking for a second animated sequence, or bloodbath would seem strange, given that its only the second half of one movie. I appreciate that each chapter has its own distinct style. That's my 4 cents.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST

    IB is Tarantino's best since Jackie Brown

    by Samuel Fulmer

    It was his first film since Jackie Brown that seemed to be about more than making references to past B-films. Granted they are there in Basterds, but it's not at the level it is in Kill Bill and Death Proof. Also, the trademark over talky Tarantino dialogue actually interests the viewer who watches instead of boring them to tears like in Kill Bill and Death Proof.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST

    extended Mexico Montage

    by RentonRiggs

    And yes, the extended montage of The Bride driving to see Michael Parks is in there too (although I have to admit, i didnt realize that part was different when watching it)

  • March 29, 2011, 1:37 p.m. CST

    The cut fight scene between Spawn and Grasshopper

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Is preaty terrible. Some truly awful staging is probably the reason it got cut.

  • March 29, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    "The Whole Bloody Affair" on Blu-ray will be...

    by Mazzer

    too long to fit on one disk with great video quality. So... the first part of the Whole Bloody Affair will be on disk 1 (aka Vol 1) and the rest on disk 2 (aka Kill Bill Vol 2). Ironic, isn't it. Anyway, I LOVE Kill Bill just the way it is. As others have said, one of the best films of the decade.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Is this really worth the watch?

    by david starling

  • March 29, 2011, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Is this really worth the watch?

    by david starling

  • March 29, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST

    OOoopsss!!

    by david starling

    Anyway!! A bit fast with the "post" button there!! I thought the first part was good (if a triumph of style over substance", and the second part was too much substance, although pretty ok. I still have a beef with Tarantino over Death Proof; a terrible movie, literally a car-crash, thank goodness Inglourious Basterds proved he still had it!!

  • March 29, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Saw it at the New Beverly last night and...

    by Joe Gallman

    ...it's certainly worth the watch. A few of the scenes are cut slightly differently (and better, imo), and there's considerably more carnage in the House of Blue Leaves. The movie just flows better as a whole.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Also, having it on two Blu-rays won't be a problem.

    by Joe Gallman

    There's already an intermission in the middle, but no montage at the end like Vol.1 or intro with her in the car like Vol.2.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:08 p.m. CST

    What exactly is different about this cut?

    by NoCalFlicks

    So, the showdown against the crazy 88s is still in b&w, no Michael Jai White scene.....so what was so special about this cut that makes it worth dishing out more money for? I'll admit I have never bought KIll Bill on DVD, cause I figured eventually someday it was going to be released as "The Whole Bloody Affair" but I also figured that release would be UNCUT and will have re-inserted the scene(s) that were edited out for time and MPAA ratings purposes. If the Whole Bloody Affair cut, is simply the 2 films, pasted together....what is the point?

  • March 29, 2011, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Just go to YouTube

    by Raggles Wimpole

    If you really want to see the House of Blue Leaves fight in its original version, go to YouTube. It's on there uncut & in full color. It's pretty awesome.

  • March 29, 2011, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Yeah the Kill Bill shoulda been one movie crowd

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Don't seem to grasp that if it came out in 2003 (or more likely 2004) as one movie, it would not have been 4 hours like it currently is with two movies. And turd you're right, if it was one two and a half hour film, it would've been a whole less self indulgent, and possibly a whole lot better. But who knows. I actually prefer the single movie cut of Death Proof to the one in Grindhouse.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    KILL BILL 3?

    by KHjLL

    What if Vernita Green's daughter comes back and kills THE BRIDE with the BRIDES daughter a plot by BILLS relative or partner in crime maybe also a partner of O-Ren Ishii relitive or parnter in crime. They all plot on KIDNAPPING THE BRIDE and and keep her away for 10-20 years... The whole time training THE BRIDES DAUGHTER and VERNITA GREEN'S daughter telling them that she killed their mother and father BILL. I n the process the new crime syndicate KILLS al that remains of THE BRIDES master and teachings. The film is about THE BRIDE hunting down the new syndicate and looking for her two children GREEN'S daughter and her own... GREENS daughter and her own end up KILLING THE BRIDE...

  • March 29, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    I'd rather have a decent DVD of Michael Mann's Thief

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Or Blu-ray/HD-DVD/SVHS. The only dvd is the one released in 1998 that was little more than the 1995 laserdisc special edition slapped put on a dvd. It's a "director's cut" which when we see that on a Michael Mann dvd we right away we're in George Lucas territory or making a good film worse. The transfer is just terrible, almost as bad as the Canadien Lost Highway dvd that was the only one available for the longest time.

  • March 29, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    overated

    by Candy ass monkey suit

    Kill Bill 1 was a nice slice of cool, Part 2 was for the most part pretty average, I watched pt 1 again recently on blu ray and was pretty bored with it to be honest, out of all tarantino's films this one is the least interesting, Dogs,pulp and Brown and Bastards are all far superior in almost everyway.

  • March 29, 2011, 7:07 p.m. CST

    BR vs DVD.. noticeable?

    by mcgillj

    sorry. but I HAD to take exception with an earlier post on how NOTICEABLE the difference between dvd and BD discs are. 1. On a TV 42" or LESS (the differences are NEGLIGIBLE at best) with an UPCONVERT dvd player.. this being that the ORIGINAL dvd had a transfer that was WORTH a crap in the FIRST place.. eg. The Pixar dvds.. AMAZING looking on upconvert DVD.. and can BARELY (unless you stand about 3" from the screen) tell a huge difference.. I tend to sit about 6-10 feet away.. 2. on Tvs in the 65" range.. yeah.. it will be a HUGE difference.. some GREAT BD discs? I noticed Rocky IV and II are STUNNING compared to any of the DVD counterparts.. surprisingly though, Rocky III looks like total CRAP on Blu.. I do NOT remember Rocky III looking that ***TTY on dvd.. I am slowly getting into the Blu discs.. in case I do upgrade the tv. or maybe even a projector, later on.. but at a 42" TV (1080p) the differences are MINOR at best.. I don't have a surround set up (which is where the HUGE difference lies). But I do NOTICE the audio is mixed a bit higher than dvds.. so I don't have to CRANK the volume to hear them (that's a big plus).

  • March 29, 2011, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Kill Bill 3 Plot IDEA..

    by mcgillj

    this is an IDEA I had.. and it has a very Palpatine/Emperor vibe to it.. in my mind anyway.. but it was CLEAR at the end of Vol 2 that Elle Driver's fate is UNKNOWN.. so it would make sense for Elle to have found Vernita's daughter.. and TRAINED her to kill the bride.. although.. my IDEA was that they kidnap BB and the Bride has to fight through (and I had the idea that Bill had a SON).. actually I think I remember reading that Jason Biggs was going to be in the flick as Bill's son (a long long while back, before the movie came out). and since they never filmed the subplot about Gogo's twin sister? lots of stuff thrown out.. although the WHO behind the kidnapping was going to be a surprise.. until the end.. a cloaked hooded figure.. and reveal Elle LITERALLY now a blindsword master. thought that would be kinda cool.. Elle having honed her senses without sight.. fighting the bride is a REAL smackdown duel.. I had the idea also that Nikki (Vernita's daughter) actually disagrees with Elle in front of the bride.. and Elle murders her, in front of The Bride.. pushing some guilt on WHAT Nikki's life became because of her (The Bride's) actions.

  • March 29, 2011, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Kill Bill still stands out as the coolest movie ever.

    by Darth_Nader616

    Especially Chapter 4 The Man From Okinawa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzZM_e3Wu6Y&feature=related

  • March 29, 2011, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Well, you all managed to stay on topic...

    by Zarles

    ...but a chosen few of you are still fuckheads. The full 4-hour cut of KB would fit quite comfortably on a single 50GB Blu-Ray disc. In fact, more than 9 hours of HD video can fit. So quit your bitching and buy a goddamn Blu-Ray player already. http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/#bluray_capacity_video I'm also talking to whichever of you morons said that any difference between SD and HD can only be noticed on a TV larger than 40". You could not be more wrong if you tried.

  • March 29, 2011, 8:41 p.m. CST

    IB vs KB

    by RentonRiggs

    what i find funny is that in cutting kill bill in half, they created this debate about flow. I guarantee if they cut IB in the middle and made you wait a year to see the end, people would be bitching about how "part 2 sucked" (be honest, its pretty uneven too, even though its awesome as a whole. same as kb)

  • March 29, 2011, 9:08 p.m. CST

    What about the Michael Jai White fight scene?

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    A part of it is in the Kill Bill trailer!

  • March 29, 2011, 11:44 p.m. CST

    O-Ren Ishii SCENE

    by KHjLL

    Feels like the space in THE GATLING GUN - Damn hot day of Fire - and the ending...

  • March 30, 2011, 12:09 a.m. CST

    O-Ren Ishii SCENE

    by KHjLL

    I like the Black and Whtie. Wish more films were in Black and White. Shows how great the lighting is. Love shadows. Shadows tell you all you need to know about someone...

  • March 30, 2011, 1:01 a.m. CST

    This movie sounds beyond the sun on blu-ray.

    by UltraTron

    It is as if it were created with pure ultraforce. I cannot fucking wait for Space Opera. A tarintino rock opera set in retro barbarella space sounds like just the thing to set me right with the quantum universe

  • March 30, 2011, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Here's how to get 'The Whole Bloody Affair' Right Now!

    by T0KY0SEXWHALE

    Someone has to say it: 1. Buy Parts I and II on Blu Ray (they're dirt cheap now.) 2.When Part I ends simply press stop (do this before the daughter revelation that you already fucking know about anyway) 3. Get up, walk to player, take out Disk I pop in Disk II 4. Press >PLAY< You'll be getting up and down during a 4 hour film anyhoo to take a piss and stuff your fat faces. Treat it like an intermisson.

  • March 30, 2011, 3:03 a.m. CST

    SWORDS and ASSASINS

    by KHjLL

    Q should introduce each assasin and the LEADERS or leaders with each of their SWORDS/KATANA's being made. Show the forging from beginig till it's end. Then introduce the MASTER and their apprentice... QUEEN BEE - should be an ASSASIn name... COFFY - SHAW Lee AKIRA - or SHAW LEE KUROSAWA - AKIRA CHANG WOOK - CHANG-wha CHUNG - or CHANG-wha CHANG YIN-YIN JOHNNY " THE KILLER" CASH or something with cash... OGAMI - Ti TO - SUGAR DADDY KANE - FING - THE FUMANCHUE - XING LO LIEH LIANG or LANG- SMOKEY- KONY NGUYEN-

  • March 30, 2011, 3:05 a.m. CST

    COMMENTRIES PLEASE?

    by KHjLL

    I hope we get commentries - oh, PLEASE?

  • March 30, 2011, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Another Assasin...

    by KHjLL

    GAMI - 'ORAGAMI' - GAMI or OGAMI- OGAMI Leaves a oragami figure...

  • March 30, 2011, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Make HATTORI HANZO the leader of the YAKUZA...

    by KHjLL

    Make HATTORI HANZO the leader of the YAKUZA... And or takes over for BILL... or BILLs brother or relative maybe was incahoots with him before this all happened. That's why he wanted THE BRIDE to succeed... So he could have total control... The least likely person anyone would suspect... Maybe he kidnaps Teh BRIDES kid and Vernita greens kid....

  • March 30, 2011, 3:48 a.m. CST

    There won't be any commentries.

    by Zarles

    And that's because 'commentries' isn't a real fucking word. Christ.

  • March 30, 2011, 3:56 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    "With that said, my fellow TBers should feel free to start rattling on about whatever inane bullshit they see fit. I fully expect this TB to dissolve into some half-assed political debate or what-have-you in absolutely no time. I have no doubt that you all will not let me down. Carry on." Zarles, that was how you started this tb. The fact that it did remain on topic, and it was actually a really interesting read with varying opinions on KILL BILL and QT's films being respectfully discussed by film fans seems to have annoyed you? You're the only guy in here making trollish posts and attacking other talkbackers. I'd say 'carry on' but i'd rather you didn't!

  • March 30, 2011, 6:43 a.m. CST

    10 Years

    by Brian

    If you think The Whole Bloody Affair is getting released before they can stamp '10 year anniversary Blu Ray' on the cover-- you're all just silly. Mark my words.

  • March 30, 2011, 11:35 a.m. CST

    t0ky0sexwhale

    by RentonRiggs

    HAHAHAHAHA. well put. It did bother me that they still had an intermission. I was thinking "so what's the point? i paid to see this as one film" But you are almost right. Just make sure you turn it off before Bill says that line, AND before we see flashforward snippets of Elle and Budd talking, then when you put disc 2 in, skip the Black and White recap section and jump straight to the Wedding party. The only things you'll be missing as a result are the full color 88 sequence and The Bride cutting off Sofies other arm in the trunk (so just use the Japanese version) And the "extended driving to Mexico montage" in Vol 2, which i barely noticed, and didnt affect any real change.

  • March 30, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST

    A boring POS where everyone lectures in QT's voice

    by blue_dog

    Any love I ever had for QT was finally and ultimately destroyed by this obnoxious piece of shit. Ask yourself: how much of this movie is made up of scenes where one character lectures another in Quentin Tarantino's voice? That lame cadence that he thinks is clever (or, more likely, "black"), drawn out over several paragraphs that ultimately do little or nothing to advance the plot? His early movies suffered from it, too, but at least with Pulp Fiction, for example, you hadn't heard QT talk enough in public to know that Sam Jackson was just giving a QT speech. By the time you get to Dusk Till Dawn, however, all I can hear when Clooney is lecturing is QT saying the lines over his computer, thinking how clever he is and how great it will be to have GEORGE CLOONEY say his little speech. And then, jesus christ, deathproof. It's one long QT speech, except there it isn't even 1% funny or cool. It's just boring. Like Kill Bill. Please, you fucking idiots, grow some standards and stop bigging up lame shit like this.

  • March 30, 2011, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Kill Bill 2 = meh

    by Kizeesh

    The blokes at Fanedit.org put together a chronological cut that was a damn sight more interesting.

  • March 30, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST

    blue_dog and Zatard?

    by KHjLL

    Maybe you should quit fucking reading this shit if you think it shit and get the fuck out go fuck a troll someone where else. Or find some kid on the internet you can bully t=ill they kill themselves you low life pisses of shit. PEACE...I'm out Remembered why I hate message boards thank. Get a par an make YOUR OWN DAMN MOVIE if you have a problerm with so much shit...Your worse than most critics you do write have made shit and hide behind a FUCKING bit name...

  • March 30, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Written by: Q & U....

    by KHjLL

  • March 30, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Yeah, kiss the asses of those bitches

    by joergn

    IMO Weinstein and Quarantino are just some moneyhungry dicks. Releasing multiple versions of one freaking movie is a cheap move to cash in even more money from the rabid fanboys. I´m sick and tired of Director´s Cuts, Extended Cut´s, Special Editions, Mega Super Duper Blue Rays and the whole crap. Stuff like that really kills my joy in watching movies, ´cause nowadays the filmmakers and studios alway seem to hold something back and while I enjoy "Kill Bill" (at least the first half), I won´t pay twice or three times to just watch the flick as it was intended to be shown!

  • March 30, 2011, 4:46 p.m. CST

    I don't "do" DVD - BluRay or bust

    by Veraxus

    I've been waiting to see this cut since I first heard Tarantino was making some kind of modern samurai western. Although I liked Vol 1 and 2 for what they were, it just didn't feel right. That brings me to these two points: 1) I don't "do" DVDs. This is the age of HD and I expect my stuff to be on blu ray. I don't care if this was some long-lost Kubrick film heretofore unseen. No HD, no sale. 2) The first half of the completed movie had better include the Japanese versions of certain scenes (if you've followed the movie, you know the scenes I'm talking about). I'm not interested in a censored cut. So hell yes. Give me the Whole Bloody Affair - but uncensored and on Blu-Ray.

  • March 30, 2011, 4:59 p.m. CST

    joergn than fucking don't...

    by KHjLL

    I like'em you don't I don't need to read you bitch about them like a bitch I want to talk about the films add Ideas put my two cents in... Instead you troll are chafing at the first chance you get.... You be you and I'll be me... But I don't want to here a bunch of whinny bitches... what the fuck is the point.... Fucking don't buy it or watch it than and get the fuck off the board with your negative troll chafing asses...

  • March 30, 2011, 4:59 p.m. CST

    I for one have been waiting...

    by KHjLL

    For this since the last credit rolled on Vol. 2... back in the day...

  • March 30, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST

    KILL BILL 3: Character

    by KHjLL

    The Devil In a Blue Dress - Hopefully theirs a scene like the 88 in 3 - That uses the PROTECTOR stair type of scene to the top of the tower - also an homeage to GAME OF DEATH...

  • March 30, 2011, 5:09 p.m. CST

    ...

    by lopan

    i like kill bill just fine and all but 1) it ain't a fucking masterpiece and 2) anyone sitting around worrying about whether kill bill is going to be sewn together into its shit-swallowing filmic centipede form has too much fucking time on their hands and not enough perspective on things that actually matter

  • March 30, 2011, 5:13 p.m. CST

    zarles Commenteries?

    by KHjLL

    Dylexia's a MOTHERFUCKER it's hard enoguh to write right I ain't going to spell chek for a god dam fucking board... You should hear me pronounce words and names can't remember half the time the problem with dylexia ....

  • March 30, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    I love all of QT's movies except DProof...but I am worried

    by futurehelp

    will the next QT film suffer without Sally? Iam very concerned...this is where the real genius of QT needs to shine. One can only hope. MyFavs order: Jackie Brown Pulp Fiction Reservior Dogs Kill Bill v1 Inglorious Bstrds Kill Bill v2 Death Proof

  • March 30, 2011, 5:48 p.m. CST

    and just to be clear...that list was for a "cinematic feeling"

    by futurehelp

    of pure bliss

  • March 30, 2011, 6:21 p.m. CST

    just fine as 2 films with that cliffhanger

    by FleshMachine

    yep

  • March 30, 2011, 9:45 p.m. CST

    ELLE DRIVER...

    by KHjLL

    have her come back like BLIND FURY...

  • March 30, 2011, 10:46 p.m. CST

    I HATED KILL BILL! I HATED HATED HATED IT!!!!

    by RaySquirrel

    Kill Bill Vol. 1 is the only movie that I wish I could unwatch! I found it simply to be shallow, nihilistic and unpleasant. After watching Kill Bill Vol. 1 I know how Roger Ebert felt after watching Blue Velvet. I just felt violated after watching it. All the film really amounts to is a series of bait and switches; setting you up with an impressive scene only to follow it up with a crass joke. The films brilliant opening close up of Uma Thurman, with the song “Bang! Bang! He Shot Me Down.” The films painful animated sequence with “Let’s get these piggy’s wiggling”. The movie shows people wallowing around in pain as blood gushes out of them like fountains. I do not find it fun to watch pain inflicted onto another human being! All the while the film hides behind a myriad of film references. Some movies that are actually better and some that are far worse: The Bride Wore Black They Call Her One-Eye Lady Snowblood Female Convict: Scorpion Game of Death Battle Royale Dressed to Kill Street Fighter Kite (1998) anime The Green Hornet On top of all of this the action is very poorly directed. Tarentino very clumsily mixes samurai sword-fighting with Hong Kong style martial arts, and has no sense of rhythm or motion.

  • March 30, 2011, 11:28 p.m. CST

    raysquirrel ?

    by KHjLL

    What have you made that was better?

  • March 31, 2011, 12:20 a.m. CST

    @khjil

    by joergn

    It´s not your board, dick. If you do not like my opininion, fine. Now fuck off!

  • March 31, 2011, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Harvey

    by Henry Fool

    I can't really blame HW for cutting Kill Bill. As much as I love Grindhouse, they should have done the same thing. Those movies deserved to be given a theatrical release that would bring a return.<br /> <br /> But that's just me being pragmatic. Since it was Bob and Harvey's financial loss, I have no regrets. I love Grindhouse the way I saw it (on opening day). I'm sure we'll see Kill Bill in the next year.

  • March 31, 2011, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Tee-hee!

    by Zarles

    Man, I love pissing you dicklicks off. You never fail to be flat-out hilarious. I had no faith that this TB would stay on topic, but it's great that it did. I have no idea why cobra-dumbfuck seems to think that has annoyed me, and I certainly have no idea what Dyslexia Boy is even saying, but whatever. If I had any interest in getting inside the heads of retards, I'd go back to my teaching job. How dare I point out mistakes in people's beliefs about Blu-Ray discs and HD television sets! Gosh, I really am an asshole for correcting those in the wrong. Seeing The Whole Bloody Affair tomorrow night. Wallow in your jealousy, shitheads. Oh, and go buy a Blu-Ray player while you're at it.

  • March 31, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    i never understood the MPAA logic behind the House of Blue Leaves scene

    by ragingfluff

    Can someone explain why watching people get sliced up in black and white is better than watching them get sliced up in colour?

  • April 1, 2011, 10:23 a.m. CST

    DYLEXIC BOY

    by KHjLL

    Q should dda a retastarach dela c dylexic boy...

  • April 1, 2011, 10:24 a.m. CST

    ZARLES

    by KHjLL

    I'll spell check for the DICK in YOU... ; )

  • April 1, 2011, 10:26 a.m. CST

    ZARLES

    by KHjLL

    But I have a hard enough time writng as it is... Love when people bitch about spelln... Aspecial on mesage board... Some people have to much time on their HANDS... Tend s to be trolls chafing...

  • April 1, 2011, 10:31 a.m. CST

    ZARLES BoY

    by KHjLL

    what have you made thaTS BETTER? bLU rAY OR dvd?

  • April 1, 2011, 10:34 a.m. CST

    ZARLES

    by KHjLL

    Ther are no flaws? Thats my point who are you and what have you made thats better?

  • April 1, 2011, 5:11 p.m. CST

    On the blu ray vs. DVD comments in this particular talkback....

    by Kevin D

    .....I've got a 40 inch Samsung 1080P LCDTV and I noticed a HUGE increase in picture quality when I finally went blu last year. So those people that say that you only notice a noticeable improvement if you have a HDTV much larger than 40 inches in screen size don't know what they're talking about. I only have to sit about 6 to 7 feet from my TV anyway in my living room so that was the perfect size TV for me to get. The blu-rays that I initially got last year represented in a lot of cases humongous leaps in picture quality and detail. With that out of the way, I didn't think that the decision to split Kill Bill hurt it in any way. Each half is very distinctive and I've always liked that. Vol. 1 is almost balls to the wall action with not much dialogue and Vol. 2 is much more talkative with dialed down action. While I wish that the Whole Bloody Affair version will finally one day get a blu-ray release, I've read on a couple other sites that it is supposedly an issue that Universal released the Japanese versions and therefore they technically own the extra footage present in each volume (the majority of that extra footage coming in Vol.1 ) & that includes the color version of the House of Blue Leaves sequence. So it could be a rights issue of some sort, who knows. And as for people stating that QT did that part in B/W to satisfy the MPAA, you all must forget that it was actually scripted that way. So in actuality, the theatercial cut with the B/W version could technically be called his director's cut version as he scripted it like that. QT has always stated that he only put it in color for Japanese audiences specifically. If we had gotten only the B/W part and the rest of the world got the color version than I would have been just as upset. But the B/W does add another interesting stylistic element to Volume 1 and I actually like both equally.

  • April 1, 2011, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Sorry Zarles and Jouris

    by KHjLL

    Writting a KILL on-line bulling got carried away... I do battle with DYLEXIA though and spell checking on message boards take 2 much time when I have other things to write like ______and ONCE UPON A TIME...

  • April 2, 2011, 12:36 a.m. CST

    The whole bloody Affair can't be released yet...

    by codecrackx15

    ...since Uma is signed to start volume 3 in the near future. Check IMDb under Uma's name.

  • WOULD completely alter the film. We all know this and any fan of this film realizes that Kill Bill (in its original uncut, nearly four hour form) would have been a truly revelatory experience in seeing it as QT intended it to be. If you're three and half hours into the film and up until that point you as an audience member just like Uma believe her daughter has been dead all this time, and then you and Uma find out together that she is indeed alive, well that reveal would have been a lot like finding out Darth Vader was Luke's father. That's a powerful moment of cinema that was missed to do somebody not having the balls to stand up for the film. I'm looking at you Weinstein. It's fucking sad that Weinstein went out of his way to fund and protect QT while making Kill Bill, but when it came time to release it the way it was filmed, Weinstein fucked everybody in the ass. This film, uncut, would have found an audience--word of mouth would have done that. This mistake is where Weinstein really started to become the cunt that he is today.

  • April 2, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST

    No matter what Tarantino puts out...

    by wacko3205

    I'll be there to see it...even four hours of Kill Bill from front to back...or back to front...because in all honesty...I'm almost ashamed to admit the hours that I've invested in Kill Bill Volumes 1 & 2. I know my wife is...heh heh heh. While Tarantino may often frustrate, confuse, & offend his audience (& even his most ardent of fans) it must be said that he is one of the most influential & talented directors out there. While I loved Inglorious & Bill...I still say that Jackie Brown is his best work. I truly hope that he revisits Beatrix & company a few years down the page.

  • April 2, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    I concure

    by PlayerHater_of_the_year

    KB v2 is no where near as good as volume 1. And its not because vol 1 had the battle to end all battles. The third act of volume 2 is painfully dull. and it has a kid in it. A kid who, of course, can't act and I am told is "adorable". The final fight is a real let down as well. I read the script a few years before and it had Bill and the Bride having a 'Musashi/Kojiro' sword fight on the beach at dawn. Now I realize Carradine was to old to act in the sequence but they could've used stunt doubles and CG to sell it.

  • April 2, 2011, 10:09 p.m. CST

    I personally thought Vol. 2 was a HUGE letdown

    by Jaster

    The first was the bloodiest sword movie of all time. The second not only had no gore....it had no sword fighting! The first was a badass revenge film. The second was a Lifetime Channel Give-me-my-baby-back movie of the fucking week. And that entire 4-hour opus led to.....touching a guy and him falling down dead. Fucking yay. *eyeroll*

  • April 3, 2011, 2:34 a.m. CST

    I was really hoping the Jai White scene was gonna be put back in.

    by Megan_Foxs_RoboHerpes

    I love that scene.

  • April 3, 2011, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Kill Bill had absolutely no story whatsoever

    by Mel

    and it sucked.

  • April 3, 2011, 5:12 a.m. CST

    ELGOTO73 I beg to differ a bit...

    by KHjLL

    I f their is a 3rd than that would have been the HUGE cliff hanger for part three. Like EMPIRE so audiences would have got the same feel just later. U anf the 88 scene might have started off vol.2... Not that any of it matters but I love the STAR WARS analogy... Could come to be very true if you cronologically cut it all together...Depending on vol. 3

  • nothing can be done?

  • April 3, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Spammer Gone. Orcus happy

    by orcus

    Yay!

  • April 3, 2011, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Loved kill bill but I've been waiting...

    by Andrew Coleman

    Too fucking long for the whole bloody affair to come out on DVD. Still have never owned vol.1 or 2.

  • April 4, 2011, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Working title....

    by KHjLL

    BILL KILLED : KILL BILL 2: Vol 1 and Vol 2 Hope Q makes 2 films again in one.

  • April 4, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Loved KB Vol. 1, but I kinda wish it had completely bombed

    by Plathismo

    ...and that part 2 had never been released. Okay, that's a bit harsh. Actually, I like about 3/4 of Vol. 2, all the way up until that pointless scene with the old pimp. It's all downhill from there. Bill himself was just so much more effective as a force of offscreen menace--a gravelly voice and a sword handle. Onscreen he was simply too avuncular--even during the church scene when he's about to commit mass murder. I don't know if this was Carradine's fault or Tarantino's. Probably more the latter. Regarding the (anti)climax, to slightly twist the words of the late Chris Penn, you couldn't experience four hours of KB and then just "end it with a fucking conversation." They could have at least interspersed some swordplay with the plot revelations--like Luke vs. Vader in ESB. QT tried to fall back on his dialogue and characterization skills to carry the finale, and they failed him. It was a bold narrative gambit...but in my opinion it didn't pay off. At any rate, given my overall disappointment in Vol. 2, I've never been that interested in the whole bloody affair. But I might crack and buy the blu just to have the uncut version of part 1--I've had the Japanese DVD of Vol. 1 for years (once you see Blue Leaves in color you can't watch it any other way), but it's ripe for an upgrade.

  • April 4, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Right on Mr. Beaks!

    by bondurant

    I saw this last nite and have to agree 100% with Mr. Beaks. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Part 2 greatly benefits from this extended cut, especially the final Bride vs. Bill scene. When split in two parts I could care less about the film's finale but when it's sequenced so that her daughter is a surprise I was suddenly re-invested in the final scenes and they packed a huge emotional punch. Also, at the theater, Tarantino played trailers prior to the film that showed his influences for Kill Bill. There's 'Shogun Assassin' and another film about an ass-kicking female karate expert. When you see how he turned his B-movie influences into an emotional revenge flick about motherhood, 'Kill Bill' actually attains modern masterpiece status. I now rank it up there with Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown among his greatest.

  • April 5, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Uncut DVDs

    by SonOfChiba

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Kill-Bill-Vol-1-2-DVD-RARE-Japanese-Edition-UNCUT-DTS-/230596861693?pt=UK_CDsDVDs_DVDs_DVDs_GL&hash=item35b0a4defd#shId It’s not quite perfect – on vol. 1, you have to manually put the English subs on whenever Japanese is spoken - but it’s a nice set and WAAAAAY cheaper than the Japanese one.

  • April 5, 2011, 2:39 p.m. CST

    BONDURANT

    by KHjLL

    Love me some SHOGUN ASSASINS

  • April 5, 2011, 7:53 p.m. CST

    I actually think its far superior as the 2 volume theatrical versions

    by Rebel Scumb

    But hey thats me.

  • April 6, 2011, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Happy Birthday Tarantino...

    by KHjLL

    I know I'ma week late but I've been dealing with a lot of shit lately been a real shitty year started off probably the worst a year could... But anyways wanted to say happy birthday... I just got to MARCH 27th 18___ in ONCE UPON A TIME... had to to let you know Happy Birthday.... Wish I could see THE WHOLE BLOODY AFFAIR in the theater... loved seeing GRINDHOUSE in the theater one of the best afternoons of my life... Watching THE WILD BUNCH for the 222 time or something like that... Jsut threw a party with THE WILD BUNCH... adjusting and back to some more KILLING... But Happy Birthday... If we only get one life, make 2day count...

  • April 6, 2011, 1:13 a.m. CST

    My Birthday....

    by KHjLL

    I got about the worst news anybody can get on their birthday.... Found out MADMEN was released right about the time I was born....TOOOOoooooooLLL.... Juan Piquer Simón died on my birthday.... Very sad... My brother tried to hang himself on my birthday.... SELFISH...

  • April 6, 2011, 1:29 a.m. CST

    DOLEMITE...

    by KHjLL

    I referenced it in Part 2 of EL DIABLO both still need work I think I figured it all out though THE WILD BUNCH and FROM DUSK TILL DAWN have taught me so much in the last year. I still haven't finished reading them yet... But if you wanted a cool line for a BLACK NINJA or ASSASIN I think I wrote it best... Maybe he's a CONCRETE NINJA... from the slums of SHAOLIN...

  • April 6, 2011, 1:32 a.m. CST

    RUFUS Vol. 2

    by KHjLL

    Was he killed or was he the reason BILL new he was there maybe he's an ASSASIN 2... ELLE RUFUS

  • April 6, 2011, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Tarantino "Eh" for Me These Days

    by SHADOWPRIME

    Love his ear for dialogue - he writes some of the best I have heard - but his penchant for sadism just leaves me utterly cold. Not bothered by his penchant for VIOLENCE per se, but his penchant for sadistic torture. It was always "there", of course, but more and more, I find, it is coming to dominate his movies. I thought KILL BILL was visually engaging and clever, but ...and again, to each his own... I had no reason to care about the story at all. One vicious, cruel, sadistic, mindless killer angry at another bunch of vicious, cruel, sadistic, mindless killers? "The Bride" was no better than the people she was after - if anything, the strip club bouncer seemed more sympathetic (until that "burying her alive" thing! ). She was just ticked that they did to her what she and they had done to many other people ... Boo Hooo Hooo. I had no reason to care about any of them, and absent that, little reason to care about the movie. A shame... as I said, his dialogue is great... you can find moments in all his movies where you are reminded how little of that we see onscreen (for example, in the also ethically hollow BASTERDS, some of the dialogue with Landa is just amazing). But before long he'll get back to someone getting tied up and tortured, so....

  • April 6, 2011, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Pearls before mouth breathing swine

    by NightArrows

    Vol 2 is outstanding. That is all.

  • April 11, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Surprised at the general concensus...

    by John Slover

    ...that Vol. 1 is superior to Vol. 2. I totally agree with that opinion, I just always got the sense that most people liked Vol. 2 more. I have always felt that Vol. 1 was an excellent film on its own, and I think it didn't need the closure of Vol. 2 at all. I loved the ending of Vol. 1; it hit a wonderful emotional beat with the reveal of BB being alive and the refrain of the Zamfir music, and the montage on the airplane with the orange sky. It all felt like a near-perfect exercise in style. Vol. 2 on the other hand, spent its two hours trying to play catch-up, to reach that level of excitement, and never paid off on the promise of quality set by Vol. 1. I am a HUGE Tarantino fan, and as for my favs in order (including writer-only cred), they are: Kill Bill Vol. 1 From Dusk Til Dawn Pulp Fiction Resevoir Dogs Inglourious Basterds Death Proof True Romance Kill Bill Vol. 2 Jackie Brown -all excellent movies. The only film on his resume that I dislike (and not suprisingly, so does QT) is: Natural Born Killers. YUCK

  • April 11, 2011, 7:07 p.m. CST

    To comment on the topic at hand...

    by John Slover

    I can imagine the newfound tone and continuity that has been described for The Whole Bloody Afair. -That title is so annoying, btw; why can't they show a little restraint and just call it "Kill Bill?" Anyhow, I don't quite understand the argument that some of you are making that the married film is somehow less complete just because some scenes have been cut down, or cut out alltogether. Complete means that the project has a sense of unity, not that it's just longer. The recap at the begining of Vol. 2 is obviously fat that needed to be trimmed. It's true that we cannot unsee the "surprise ending" of Vol. 1, but hey, it still makes sense to cut it for this version of the film. And, with the reveal held off, I do think KB will have a significantly new vibe and, the 2nd film especially, will play much differently in that context. Although I was luke-warm on Vol. 2, I'm really looking forward to seeing it re-cut and presented as the closing act of the big picture, rather than a standalone feature of its own.

  • April 12, 2011, 10:24 p.m. CST

    TO me...

    by KHjLL

    Ya just can't rank a TARANTINO film I can't anyways love them bloody all... THE WHOLE BLOODY AFFAIR is there because it's KILL BILL: THE WHOLE BLOODY AFFAIR refering to the two films in one as the director and writer intended it...Love the working title... Can't wait to get the new cut...HOPE there is a ton of commentries....

  • April 12, 2011, 10:26 p.m. CST

    SPIDEY

    by KHjLL

    Wonder if SAM would edit out the face shots and have VENOMS face insted of actors....Wish proudction wouldn't have taken his power away in 3...

  • April 13, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST

    That "punching her way out of the casket" thing...

    by Triple_J_72

    ... Spider-Man did it first. Just sayin'. ;-)