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Gary Oldman speaks out about the "great script" for The Dark Knight Rises!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. Gotta hand it to the good folks at AbsoluteRadio in the UK. They've consistently been on the ball at these press lines (which are my own personal nightmare, which why I've only done one in my entire life) and somehow manage to be really pushy about getting news from the celebrities without being prickish about it.
Case in point, they recently interviewed Gary Oldman and got him to dance around the new Batman in a way that made little bits of info fall out of his pockets.
Check it out here:
So now we know that Commissioner Gordon and Bane have a lot to do together, that the story and script pass Oldman's muster, that the new movie goes "full circle" and that Nolan won't even print the ending to the script and will only tell his actors in person.
Very cool. Not that I'd expect Oldman to come out and say any project he's about to work on is shit, I also know that the dude isn't afraid to speak his mind, so I buy that he was genuinely blown away by the script.
Thanks to the folks at AbsoluteRadio who nabbed this bit of awesomesauce! What do you folks think?
-Quint
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Robin will be in this film, surprised that wasn't mentioned.
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March 27, 2011, 11:18 p.m. CST
So theres only going to be like 3 or 4 plot holes or contrivances instead of 10?
by D Middling
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Ok, so we're talking about a film where the protagonist dresses up as a bat, but still... Let's hope Nolan does something radically different from the 'roided-up lunk of the comics...
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my favorite : )
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what? cant a man laugh?
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I got a great idea TARANTINO or GANDOFINI as the penguin the new KINGPIN of GOTHAM
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Read an actual comic.
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So, does this mean Neeson will be returning?
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Why the hell did he do that movie.
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March 27, 2011, 11:36 p.m. CST
Are the Batman comics setting themselves apart within their market in ways resembling recent movie and video game adaptations?
by Pvt. Duke
Batman is rich.
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And I don't get why people like Bane so much. He was a gimmick to sell more comic books. Maybe I'm being too cynical about it.
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March 27, 2011, 11:40 p.m. CST
This Skyline ad for the worst movie ever made is really annoying me
by LowDevil
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March 27, 2011, 11:41 p.m. CST
The Reason why Superman will be the last movie most people will see.
by TheNipplesofGodReturns
So I saw SukerPunch tonight....... and I have to say it was Child Porn(note to Mr Snyder Child porn and Superman is bad) stupid story, And It looked like a video game. To tell you the truth that's not what scared me... it was more all the trailers for all the movies coming up is Humans.. overcoming great odds, or aliens, or some miraculous hero that comes and saves us.... When in reality if someone launches nukes! there's gonna melt are brains , and are bodies will fly apart like paper("I'm not saying that's whats gonna happen .)That's just a example.. So to the point! I think Donald Trump Or possibly Gary Busey .... Probably Donald Trump... Is the Antichrist... And I think he is paying off Hollywood to make all these stories of Love and Hope Because they now that when something happens We will most probably be Dead real quick Basically "Momma say's Hollywood's the DEVIL!" or more accurate, the TOOL.. of the DEVIL ...... He Manufactors these movies of hope to give us hope, when in reality were dead!! The Elite of "PEOPLE" or the rich bitches in Hollywood! The directors, the actors, the Studio heads Definitely Will Smith and His kids Rich people from around the world have passes to some sort of underground strong hold For the day!!12, 22, 12... The Day they picked to put One of thee greatest Hero's That are imagination can dream up "Superman"on screen. On that day something will happen. I'm not sure what will ..... Just be warned Hollywood Is The TOOL OF DONALD TRUMP! You will flock to the theaters like sheep to See the Movie that will be hailed as "THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER TO BE CONCEIVED, DRAWN UP, PRODUCE, SHOT, DIRECTED, Acted, GREATEST SPECIAL EFFECTS TO EVER BE PUT ON FILM..........SUPERMAN!!!!!!!!" Harry will fall asleep through it but won't be alive at the end to care..... NONE of us will FOR just at the moment in the film when Clark Kent not yet Superman , Has been beaten down and all the people around him don't trust him The part wear he is at his most humble and his lowest and realizes That he must become Superman to save everyone BOOM!! your dead. What ever is GONNA happen will happen and that will be it. I like to think that the Rich People.... The "ELITE" ..... Will survive To Face A new Night Mare!!!The War Against the Gary Busey Clones! YOU WERE WARNED
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Nerd Alert
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Killed the continuity. Just like Nick Stahl as John Connor when they just as easily could have sobered up Furlong, made that cheese-brick worth owning.
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...he was still one of the best new villains since Ras Al Ghul. Not crazy about his cheesy side kicks.
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First off I get very frightened when I hear people involved with a film praise it before it comes out. Yes they are never going to say it sucks but, We have been given some turds after being told they were chocolate bunnies. Remember when we were told how great of an actor Hayden Christenson was before Attack of the Clones? Where did that get us? Remember how great the script for X3 was supposed to be? Anyway I have total faith in Nolan. I think it will be a really good Batman movie that should be better than Begins but, a notch below The Dark Knight. I hope that Nolan doesn't get the Return of the Jedi complex though. You know...Empire was the high water mark so lets get lazy, neuter Han Solo, give Luke an 80's Mastercuts hairdo and, throw in the Ewoks to take down the Empire... Please don't get lazy with Dark Knight Rises!
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You do have a point there.
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March 27, 2011, 11:51 p.m. CST
Gary Oldman's actual voice is like 2 octaves higher than when he's acting
by BadMrWonka
seriously, when he does an American accent, like in The Dark Knight, it's like a different person.
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to TIPTOES? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukRdEVthmWM
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March 27, 2011, 11:58 p.m. CST
Bane's going to be head of the task force that hunts Batman.
by Chewtoy
In place of the "Night Scourge" from Prey.
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I love Gary Oldman, but dude is not the paragon of selectivity.
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March 28, 2011, 12:15 a.m. CST
thenipplesofgodreturns your fucking post was unreadable.
by RobertoInfiniteTHEMoonLander
The word is OUR. O-U-R not fucking ARE. Not A-R-E. Jesus Christ the world is in trouble all right but because of fuckwits not nukes.
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It makes absolutely no sense to me why Warner Bros, or other studios for that matter, do not allow multiple films at once, with different interpretations. I mean, I understand that they think they'll confuse the audience, but that's so ridiculous. There should be this kind of Batman that Nolan makes, a noir take, a scifi supernatural take with Man-Bat, a "Brave & Bold" light-hearted take, a take much like the BATMAN: DEAD END internet video which was just awesome, etc etc etc. I mean, this Nolanverse, though great, is so particular to Nolan's vision that we miss out on so much that is fun/fantastic about the comics. Even a film like Grayson could be thrown into the mix (also an awesome fan-film that can be found online, which I'm sure you've all seen anyway) while making other Bat-flicks, and it wouldn't mess with the audience because it's self-contained, and they'd get that. Point is, each film could have their own mythology and take on the character, because this character (And other superheroes, but PARTICULARLY Batman) allow for so many different kinds of interpretations, all of which should be explored and told. It'll be interested to see if WB is open to new takes once Nolan finishes up his run, or they will try to continue this vision with someone new. BATMAN: DEAD END http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjp0I_okX0w GRAYSON http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiZuvJ48MZ0
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Good guy
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March 28, 2011, 12:30 a.m. CST
We NEEDs a Prometheus Thread Hare. I GOTs stuff to talk about.
by Darth_Kong
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The was simply the best post I've read in days. Sure, I needed to run it through Google Translate, but the subtle inferences to how we are shifting towards an opposed dialectical materialistic world was played out beautifully. I tip my hat to you, sir.
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I find it rather poetic that this thread popped up today. Very.
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I was hoping for an Ahnuld cameo....
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March 28, 2011, 12:59 a.m. CST
Oldman may not be selective in his projects...
by the dolphins are in the jacuzzi
But I think that has more to do with economic necessity (a mainstream-fringe character actor, even one as talented, financially secure and prolific as Oldman, often has to hold his nose and take inferior projects to maintain his income; i.e. Oldman gotta eat). That said, I trust him when he says a script is "brilliant." He never went on record as saying anything of the sort regarding Tiptoes, Riding Hood, or even Lost In Space. He simply kept his mouth shut and collected his check (as far as I know; if anybody wants to post a link to a video proving me wrong, by all means, feel free). So I take this as a good sign. "In Nolan We Trust" may be the most hyperbolic internet catchphrase on geek sites worldwide, but it caught on for a reason. And oh, yeah: thenipplesofgodreturns, time to take your meds.
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The guy is flat out great in just about everything I've seen him in, and seems like a great guy to boot. A friend of mine met him years ago when he was working on The Scarlett Letter in Nova Scotia - said he was a lot of fun to work with, but apparently hitting the sauce, and there were a few amusing anecdotes about an obviously inebriated Oldman on set flirting with Demi Moore while the cameras weren't rolling. Shortly afterwards his visit to AA hit the papers.
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Is awesome...and I love him as Gordon. I get the feeling that he doesn't like doing these batman flicks tho. I seem to recall him doing an interview and was asked if he'd come back for sequels...and he sort of drunken-like said "well...we all have to" or something. I feel it gets him a lot more attention than he likes. oh well..he still rules.
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I saw Chris Nolan and at least a dozen of his crew at Stanstead Airport in Londan last Monday (21st). Nolan was ushered away before I got a chance to talk to him (I managed a passing "Hello") but one of the crew did tell me that they were on their way to the US to commence filming on "a little movie you might have heard of called Batman"...Personally, I can't wait for this. Nolan hasn't made a bad film yet and the Dark Knight was my favourite film of 2008.
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March 28, 2011, 1:09 a.m. CST
Did he enjoy it as much as he enjoyed the "Red Riding Hood" script?
by cinemixtape.com
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Hopefully, the script is as good as commissioner gordan thinks! Personally I've been hoping for a Frank Miller Dark Knight Returns, with Bruce Wayne as a reclusive thrill seeking billionaire, trying to not think about being Batman... but, we'll see where Nolan takes us.
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Sid and Nancy The Professional Fifth Element Batman etc. etc. all had Oldman in it and yet you can never SEE Oldman in it. Know what I mean? He just disappears into the role and it's flawless. Julia Roberts has an Oscar and he doesn't? That an indictment on Hollywood in general, they don't know what "Best Actor/Actress" means.
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Could work.
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this film's a long way off. I don't want to get too excited too soon. It's cool that filming starts very soon though.
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I trust this film to deliver the goods
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in every movie he's in.
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March 28, 2011, 1:29 a.m. CST
i concur sider78. Gary Oldman is my favorite actor on the planet.
by DoctorWho?
And don't forget Prick Up Your Ears and Bram Stoker's Dracula (my fave).<p> And I want his glasses.
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something i do not begrudge him at all. he does great work in everything, so, he deserves some paydays.
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The Batman
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March 28, 2011, 1:42 a.m. CST
I have the feeling that TDKR will be better than the overratedTDK
by KilliK
minus Ledger's Joker ofc,it will have a better,tighter story and at last more focused on Batman.and the action will be better too.that's how i feel about this upcoming film. What irritates me though is the whitewashing of Bane and it is not the first time that mr Nolan does that.hm. anyway,in Nolan i trust indeed.
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did anyone catch how he was just talking about what happens in the movie when the interviews starts questioning him on how spoilers and secrets are kept... you can see gary oldman's face change as he thinks he said too much (even though he didn't) and starts to backpedal.
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long before TDK came out. I believe in Gary Oldman.
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State of Grace
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March 28, 2011, 2:19 a.m. CST
When asked who this film should appeal to, Oldman responded:
by kermit_the_fraud
EEEEEVERYOOOONNNNNNE!!!!!
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If you're not right, you should be! I was hoping the story would go his enemy actually being a "good guy" since now the city thinks the Batman killed Harvey Dent and those thugs. Cheers! Hmmm... and Gordon's son is going to tell Bane what actually happened with Dent. I mean how long can a kid keep a secret like that?
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Hardy isn't Bane, but Bullock.... And, thus he isn't a bad guy.
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Then you are also a fuckwit.
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Or just continue to make statements at each other?
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Hardy's performance was stellar, crazy, stylised, and balls-out (literally). Don't worry, fans, he'll bring something great to Bane. I was a little disappointed about the inclusion of the character at first, but I'm coming around to the idea that he was chosen for a very good reason that only Nolan and Hardy know right now.
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But i don't know how they can out do TDK
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March 28, 2011, 5:09 a.m. CST
I don't know why any news outlet even bothers interviewing anyone anymore...
by Darth_Kong
Seriously. Nobody can release any information once they sign their deal memo or nondisclosure agreement. Even the news outlets usually BARTER embargo deals for their story's or reviews. The only way information can make it out is through LEAKS and it seems that they have to do it now as ANONYMOUS TalkBackers in a thread. I mean it's reached the point where it's MALARKY to even get excited about news of an actor talking about a project. "So and so says it's exciting and it's pushing the envelop and going in a new and bold direction." How many times have we heard that? Too many, actually.
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March 28, 2011, 6:13 a.m. CST
Please let there be a giant metal elephant pushed by muscular black men!
by Wookie_Weed
Do it, Nolan. Do. It.
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March 28, 2011, 6:54 a.m. CST
DOES HE FINALLY GET TO HAVE A BEER AND CHEET ON HIS WIFE IN THIS ONE?
by Darth Busey
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Gordon has a beer and cheets on his wife..... with Bane. Oldman did say him and Hardy have an important scene together!
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What are you smoking?
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We forget that, when Burton's Batman came out, the only "live" joker the world had seen was Caesar Romero, and even the cartoon version up to that point was pretty close to that. Nicholson was the perfect transition. He was campy, but still dark and evil. Jack's performance made Ledger's possible. If Jack hadn't brought it to the middle ground, Nolan's Joker would have been closer to Burton's. Of course, I do think that Ledger's performance is highly-overrated, and if he hadn't croaked, it would have gotten far less attention.
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Someday America will have its own Batman
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All actors say that about films they are shooting. I don't think actors know what a good script is. He'll I don't even think directors know some of the time. I trust Nolan, but he's also due for a misstep at some point. So, I'm not buying this praise quite yet.
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March 28, 2011, 7:37 a.m. CST
Oldman is more powerful than anyone of you can imagine.
by THE_CHOPPAH
Look upon his words and despair, children!
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EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry I had to do it) Hyperbole Fanboys and Haters aside. In Nolan we trust.
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In you I trust.
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March 28, 2011, 7:49 a.m. CST
you can see gary oldman's face change as he thinks he said too much (even though he didn't) and starts to backpedal.
by MacReady452
boom. here we come. I see I am already in here too. Hello me. Shall we CHOP?
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Makes everything better. Delicious on pancakes too. I mean Hardy, not A1.
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The guy interviewing even said.....maybe you don't wanna say this. Nice clear horn rims Gary. I gotta get me some of those.
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This has boosted my enthusiasm a bit after hearing Oldman's comments. I was lucky enough to be at WW Chicago Dark Knight panel and Oldman was easily the most jovial and candid person on the stage. He was asked about Ledger's performance and he said something to the effect of how a lot of people were scratching their heads when he was cast but his performance "will blow everyone away." Oldman always seems to be a pretty candid dude who doesn't praise something unless he means it.
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and don't speak no shit. Don't start no shit... ...won't be no shit.
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March 28, 2011, 8:06 a.m. CST
The "C" in CHOPPAH stands for colonelfatheart, among other things.
by ColonelFatheart
I see I am already here, too. Good morning, Mac.
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March 28, 2011, 8:07 a.m. CST
You know it's a good script when Gary starts backpedaling.
by ColonelFatheart
Full circle indeed.
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Stop claiming to be me, little man. THE_CHOPPAH IS THE_CHOPPAH. Quake in his vast shadow.
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I am CHOPPAH. We are CHOPPAH.
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I guess Batman is going to die in this one.
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Just saying...
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Sorry no one can break this curse. Third films always suck. TDKR will suck too. It's just the laws of nature folks. Nothing you can do about it.
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you're talking to me. or. are. you? I am so confused.
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Robin?
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March 28, 2011, 9:12 a.m. CST
The Batman ending: He realizes he was The Joker all along.
by THE_CHOPPAH
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The most distinguished of Snyder's admirers and the most conspicuous of his defenders has been Mr. Christopher Nolan. That Christopher Nolan is a master of film direction and a well-equipped critic of films, no one of intellect, as they say, will dispute. It is significant, then, that he comments on the badness of the "fast mo" effect -there is a great deal of "fast mo" in Snyder's films. Mr. Nolan is apparently quite insensitive -through lack of interest in the other department.- to the fact that Snyder's “regular mo” is just as bad. “Fast mo” and “regular mo” are on the same level of fan-boy amateurishness. What I believe has misled Mr. Nolan is his own special preoccupation with the legendary theme of the Quest. He has produced and directed several films regarding the Quest; he has experimented with the theme himself in a remarkable sequence of shorts; and it is to be hoped that—in the upcoming DARK KNIGHT RISES—he will do something with it on an even larger scale. In the meantime -as sometimes happens with works that fall in with one's interests- he no doubt so overrates SUCKER PUNCH because he is seeing something that he means to direct himself. It is indeed the tale of a Quest, but, to the reviewer, an extremely unrewarding one. The hero has no serious temptations; is lured by no insidious enchantments, perplexed by few problems. What we get is a simple confrontation -in more or less the traditional terms of melodrama- of the Forces of Evil with the Forces of Good, the remote and alien villain with the plucky little home-grown hero. There are streaks of imagination: the most interesting of the ladies, Blondie, with her deep eyes and rumbly voice; the zombie Nazis, whose nobility and beauty is elusive and not quite human. But even these are rather clumsily handled. There is never much development in the episodes; you simply go on getting more of the same thing. Snyder has little skill at narrative and no instinct for story arcs. The characters talk a story-book language that might have come out of Howard Pyle, and as personalities they do not impose themselves. At the end of this long romance, I had still no conception of Oracle, who is a cardinal figure, had never been able to visualize him at all. For the most part such characterizations as Snyder is able to contrive are perfectly stereotyped: Baby Doll the good little Englishman, Sweet Pea, her dog-like servant, who talks lower-class and respectful, and never deserts her master. These characters who are no characters are involved in interminable adventures the poverty of invention displayed in which is, it seems to me, almost pathetic. In the worlds in which the women and the other Good People live, the Forces of Evil are closing in, and they have to band together to save themselves. The hero is the woman called Baby Doll who is obsessed with destroying the forces of evil -- be it shogun titans, zombie Nazis or killer androids (that learned reptilian suggestion -doesn't it give you a goosefleshy feeling?). In spite of the director’s disclaimer, the struggle does seem to have some larger significance. What one misses in all these terrors is any trace of concrete reality. The preternatural, to be effective, should be given some sort of solidity, a real presence, recognizable features -like Raimi’s evil dead, like Carpenter’s Michael Myers, like Nolan’s Joker; not like those phantom horrors of Peter Jackson which prove so disappointing after the travel-book substantiality of the landscapes in which he evokes them. Snyder's horrors resemble these in their lack of real contact with their victims, who dispose of them as we do of the horrors in dreams by simply pushing them or puffing them away. As for Blue (doesn't the very name have a shuddery sound.) who concentrates in his person everything that is threatening the women, the build-up for him goes on through three acts. He makes his first, rather promising, appearance but this is as far as we ever get. And the climax, to which we have been working up through exactly 109 large minutes, when it comes, proves extremely flat. Baby Doll has come to the end of her Quest, but the reader has remained untouched by the wounds and fatigues of her journey. An impotence of imagination seems to me to sap the whole story. The battles are never dynamic; the ordeals give no sense of strain; the fair ladies would not stir a heartbeat; the horrors would not hurt a fly. Now, how is it that this long-winded film of what looks to this reviewer like balderdash has elicited such tributes as those above? The answer is, I believe, that certain people -especially, perhaps, in America- have a lifelong appetite for juvenile trash. They would not accept adult trash, but, confronted with the pre-teen-age article, they revert to the mental phase which delighted in STAR TREK 2009 and THE TRANSFORMERS and which seems to have made of JJ Abrams, in America, almost a national figure. You can see it in the tone they fall into when they talk about Snyder’s films: they bubble, they squeal, they coo; they go on about Hitchcock and Tarantino -both of whom have a charm and a distinction that Snyder has never touched. As for me, if we must watch movies about imaginary kingdoms, give me Christopher Nolan’s INCEPTION. He at least writes for grown-up people, and he does not present the drama of life as a showdown between painted trollops and pop culture shoguns and ghoulies. Nolan can cover more ground in a scene that lasts five minutes than Snyder is able to in one act of this 109 minute long train wreck, and Nolan can create a more disquieting impression by a reference to something that is never described than Snyder through his whole demonology.
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knowthyself, know this. The 3rd James Bond film was GOLDFINGER - widely regarded as one of the best in the series. It's also the 2nd most profitable of all the 007 movies in adjusted-for-inflation figures. But yeah, that one's probably the exception rather than the rule.
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he aint wearing hockey pads.
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Also, what about the TROIS COULEURS TRILOGIE. I know some liked BLUE. WHITE not shite. RED? I really should see these films before commenting on them...
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I would love to just shoot the breeze with the man for a couple of hours.
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I thought your little reference in the DickBack was to Gary Oldman's original backpedal. I didn't realize history was about to repeat itself. Next two days we'll have Oldman saying "Oh no, what I read was apparently an early draft... of a fan-written script." Then he'll have a beer and cheat on his wife.
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Had a coupla pints with him through the years. Intense but endlessly interesting. We laughed and laughed.
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@franky 5 fingers katie holmes was let go. Nolan didn't like her and she was easily the worst part of the batman begins. She did some poor acting in that movie.
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laughing and laughing can be bad for your health.
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Maggie acting well. Holmes wasn't let go because of acting. It was because of alien Tom ScientoloSuri.
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March 28, 2011, 10:04 a.m. CST
lol Halfbreed Queen: Batman Forever That was the first I was ever severley pissed at a movie
by MRJONZ72
Me and my buddy was thoughrougly pissed. Now I knew the comics and had seen every iterration of Batman even the 1940's serials..my buddy never read the books, books..all he knew of Bats was Adam West and the Superfriends up until The Animated Series came out and was blown away by it. But yeah we walked out pissed off lol..I even hated it more than Batman and Robin..but that was only because my expecations for that movie were as low as one can be for a movie. But yeah I'm aware of a lot of folks that praised and love it, but most of them knew nothing about bats..some of them did know The Animated series but still love Batman & Robin for some reason.
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March 28, 2011, 10:05 a.m. CST
Shoot I meant Batman Forever at the end of my previous post.
by MRJONZ72
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This always cracks me up whenever I see it, particularly here in 2011. Do you guys not use Firefox? one simple plug-in of the Ad Blocker Plus or whatever it's called, I NEVER see the ads people bitch about on here. it's so easy.
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dude how can anyone take you seriously. you have grand delusions of global conspiracy perpetrated by Donald Trump, not to mention you can't even spell the word "our." jesus.
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"Who?" "EVVVVVVVERRRYYYYYYONNNNNNNNNE!!!!"
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March 28, 2011, 10:23 a.m. CST
Where IS Gary Oldman anyway? He used to have a lot to say in these TBs.
by D.Vader
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March 28, 2011, 10:24 a.m. CST
Charlie Sheene as Mad Hatter!! EPIC Casting, & make it a musical in 3D!!!
by Arkhaminmate001
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March 28, 2011, 10:30 a.m. CST
Screw the movies, i'm waiting for Arkham City to come out.
by Arkhaminmate001
Arkham Asylum was THE Batman movie, and Arkham City will own Nolans boring movie. Inception was an overrated snooooozzzzzzefest.
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March 28, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST
I agree that Bane will be leading the taskforce to catch Batman
by Rebel Scumb
Essentially the same set up of how I suggested they have Riddler in the movie, but I suppose by making it Bane he can be a physical threat to Bats and not just a mental one. I think the reason they went with Bane instead of riddler, Hugo strange, etc. Is they can just have his name be Lt./Agent/Officer/etc Bane, and that seems like a real name. Where as otherwise you run into the territory of supervillians who's real names sound like supervillan names, ie Hugo Strange.
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Not his actual last name. Officer Bane sounds kind of corny.
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March 28, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST
When I think of Bane and Gordon possibly working together reminds me of that "Over The Edge" episode of Batman TAS
by MRJONZ72
The one where Batgirls gets killed (well not exactly) and Gordon gets Bane released from jail to bring down Bats. Not saying its going to be anything like that..just saying it reminded me of that episodes. Great episode even tho it kinda cheats a lil at the end.
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... who are the two chicks standing behind him?
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They could merge those two characters. Officer Branden aka Bane.
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Was fucking amazing. I had no idea what I was watching when that episode started and Batman is on the run from Gordon. I thought for sure I was witnessing the Series Finale, the end of Batman. That blew my 15 yr old mind away when I first saw it.
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March 28, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST
I can't wait for Superman to get right what The Dark Knight Rises gets wrong.
by THE_CHOPPAH
Kinda like how Watchmen got right what The Dark Knight got wrong. Or how Sucker Punch got right what Inception got wrong. That's right. Snyder > Nolan. Snyder has an imagination; Nolan has an outline.
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I am curious to hear what you have to say on that point.
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March 28, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST
knowthyself, Sucker Punch at least looked like a dream/fantasy world.
by THE_CHOPPAH
Inception looked like remixed action movies.
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Well most of you understand this by now, but I'll explain it to the rest of you. Actors get paid money to perform in AND promote films they are in. They always say the film is good, script is great, etc...otherwise they don't get hired anymore. Sometimes they are honest in retrospect (though rarely) but never beforehand..unless it really is a "great script" which is rare.
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Yeah, Sucker Punch got so much of it "right" compared to Inception that Snyder got his ass handed to him by Diary of a Wimpy Kid 2. LOL!!!!
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No one can call my CHOPlings "retards" except for me. CHOPPED.
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We all know box office is the singular measure of a film's worth. Lemme guess, your favorite movie is Titanic? And you're a huge fan of the Shrek series, right?
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As much as I do enjoy Inception, even I have to concede that the film could have used more "dream-like" fantasy stuff in it. Stuff like walking on air, doing crazy things most of us have done in our dreams... I understand that's not what Nolan intended and that he purposely kept most of that stuff out of the movie, but still. I would have liked to have seen more fantasy-type moments even if they were only done briefly and sporadically in the film.
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March 28, 2011, 11:23 a.m. CST
Nolan kept that stuff out of the movie because he doesn't want to take risks..
by THE_CHOPPAH
The Memento Nolan is long gone. Instead of risky gimmicks, he's just about gimmicks.
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The kind that come with plot holes.
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I've never dreamed about being in a van on a street...or james bond action sequences. Dreams are more abstract, surreal, and weird.
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They're not the same movie and they are similar in only the most rudimentary way. It's like comparing Star Wars and 2001: They both have space ships- that's it.<P> Inception used dreams as a method for exploring the subconscious and manipulating a persons actions.<P> Sucker Punch was about retreating into a metaphorical fantasy world to escape personal tragedy.<P> NOT. THE. SAME. MOVIE.<P> Fuck.
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Nothing is the same as the other, after all. Even oak trees and single-cell organisms have slight variations from each other. Why do we even need the concept of comparison or the word "compare"?
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THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY. In a perfect world THE DARK KNIGHT RISES would be on that level of greatness. Guess we'll find out in a year and a few months.
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I also have the more abstract ones as well. But I've become pretty adept at lucid dreaming, and most of my dreams have a fairly consistent level of reality to them, I've even had ongoing dreams where a dream one night will pick up from where I left off the previous night. The other thing with Inception was the dreams were purposely constructed to fool the dreamer into believing they were awake. So obviously they were intended to seem realistic and not weird and abstract
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March 28, 2011, 11:49 a.m. CST
the_choppah; would you really qualify that as 'risk taking'??
by Rebel Scumb
There have been so many movies with weird abstract dreamlike settings, I'm not sure that really qualifies as "risky" filmmaking. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with those types of movies, I like quite a few of them. But I don't think this really accounts for Nolan not being a risk taker. And again, within the story of inception, the "dreams" we saw were not the dreams of people who had fallen asleep and created something abstract out of their subconscious. They were constructed virtual realities made by the thieves specifically to trick the dreamer into believing they were awake. They even note in the movie that the more abstract and bizarre, the more they alter reality and the laws of physics, the quicker the subconscious would detect the invaders and dispose of them
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but then again, maybe it can...
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March 28, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST
"the quicker the subconscious would detect the invaders and dispose of them"
by THE_CHOPPAH
Sounds to me Nolan painted himself into a corner with that. He didn't NEED to work that into the plot. Too clever for his own good.
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then WTF are you doing even going to the movies? Furthermore, what film would you say "blows it away?" For god's sake I cannot understand how some people can be so, so damn picky. TDK was an awesome roller-coaster ride from beginning to end.
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But I try not to think about it too much. Try.
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Nolan still won't get the Oscar. Somewhere, somehow he's pissed them all off. Just like Scorsese didn't get it all those years despite putting out the best films.
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I disliked act 3 of BB with all the silliness of Gordan and the tumbler. I was appalled by the hamfisted cheesiness of the ferry sequence in TDK. Hopefully this isnt a problem 8n the new one.
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March 28, 2011, 12:46 p.m. CST
punisherthunder: When Nolan makes movies as great as Taxi Driver, GoodFellas or Raging Bull, then I'd accept that comparison.
by THE_CHOPPAH
Otherwise, ahem, CHOPPED.
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Besides that, I'm just kind of tired of hearing people put down one piece of work because there's something else remotely similar. It's ludicrous and 1st-level thinking.<P> By your analogy, it would be like someone complaining about the quality of a shrub because there is already a superior tree.<P> I enjoy reading someone's opinion comparing something when it's thought out and bothers to CONTRAST two different things, but I rarely see that here. What I see plenty of is "'Sucker Punch' sucks because it's not as good as 'Inception'". Really? How? Why? What is the basis of that comparison and why is it applicable?<P> End of rant.
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...definitely the weakest points of Nolan's movies, especially considering the greatness of the first two acts. Keeping in mind the importance of bringing things full circle in part 3 (as everyone keeps saying), and wrapping it all up, it's more imperative than ever that Nolan best the finales of the past two flicks.
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which is why you're spending so much time in a TDK discussion??
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Playkins, I agree and have always thought the Photinia Red Robin bush is an absolute fucking joke compared to the Cedar of Lebanon. I can't be the only one.
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Because I'm thinking about The Dark Knight Rises and that classy old drinking buddy of mine, Gary Oldman.
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Your fly is down.
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We know you only dream about Stargate: Universe.
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March 28, 2011, 1:07 p.m. CST
Your dreams are only "realistic" because your imagination has been crippled by television.
by THE_CHOPPAH
Stop hurting yourself. Turn off the box and get a good muffdive in every now and again, captain.
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It's called "The Dark Knight Rises", not "Batman: The Dark Knight Rises". Just saying...
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You've been MIA lately.
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I'm terribly sorry to hear that, I really am. My condolences. I hope things get better for you. They will.
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they have moar guns and shoot shit.
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Arnold is badass and if the Colonial Marines had a mini-gun, they'd totally pown all those aliens in like 3 sekonds.
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the budget was much bigger and Linda Hamilton didn't have that puffy hair do and gay 80's tie-died T shirt. Also, T2 had a badass mini-gun scene.
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Total Recall had wayyyyy more action. Blade Runner hand almost none. Blade Runner had better cinnemontography.
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complete horseshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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March 28, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST
Alien Resurrection was stupid but still kinda better than Alien 3
by lv_426
because Siggy wasn't bald and because Ron Perlman is the shit. Alien Resurrection had guns and more aliens in it too.
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but The Matrix is still more classic because it was first and had way cooler references in it: anime, kung fu films, cyberpunk, post apocalypse, bullet time effects, etc. Matrix sequels are good too, but kinda muddled and silly at times, but still badass too.
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but Predator 2 had Danny Glover's Dickblood in it, so it is not a total loss.
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Starring the Predator and Chris Hansen. Instead of the police waiting for the pedophiles outside the house, the Predator is there to take care of business.
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it had time ripples, and guns, and cool spacey future armor suits, and wacky monkey dinosaur things, and Ben Kingsley with a fucking wonky ass white wig that looked so fake you have to love it.
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Maybe it IS the ninjas...
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Such an obvious comeback I'm not even going to go there. ;-)
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I like both, but I always thought that TDK was a bit over-hyped. After it had come out, and when I talked with people after they had seen, they acted as though TDK was the best thing they've ever seen and Begins was a piece of shit. Batman Begins is awesome too. It is a different story, and even things like the look of Gotham City are kinda different in it. I have to say though, I really enjoyed Nolan's take on the origin story of Batman, and all the eastern philosophy stuff was nicely done.
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March 28, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST
Saying Batman Begins is shit is like saying Star Wars is shit
by lv_426
and then praising The Empire Strikes Back. Just as Empire builds on Star Wars, TDK builds on the story of Batman Begins. Nolan could not have successfully started his Batman series with TDK. Or if he did, it wouldn't have been nearly as successful of a film. That is why we see so many people saying they love Alien and Aliens, but hate Alien 3. Aliens smartly built on what Ridley Scott created in the first film, while Alien 3 pulled it all out from under us in a desperate attempt to be edgy and ironic.
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March 28, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST
braindrain is a hipster because he everything he says negative and reactionary.
by THE_CHOPPAH
This is the essence of braindrain. His hipster/zen retard schtick is one of the best around.
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Consider myself CHOPPED ...
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was the best, most inspired casting for the entire Batman film set.
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They are cramming a bunch of characters in there. Starting to feel like Batman Returns, I think he was only in it for 20 minutes or so? The whole movie was watching black shit ooze out of DeVito's mouth!!
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March 28, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST
I trust Nolan, but i rather temper my enthusiasm with cautiousness. It never hurts to keep it cool.
by AsimovLives
Seeing is believing, my friends. I'll wait for the movie. Only then i'll be blown away, if there's cause for that.
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March 28, 2011, 3:24 p.m. CST
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Pt. 2: Now with 90% less camping!
by THE_CHOPPAH
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I WISH Hollywood would finally get off their asses and produce an Ender's Game movie. My personal pick for a director would be Mel Gibson.
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I wish they had done two more sequels to make a trilogy. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the TV series as well. It would have been cool to see some big budget Stargate movies besides the one with Kurt Russel and James Spader. As for sequels to the theatrical Stargate, I think it would have been cool to go full Chariots of the Gods and have the second and third films showing the military finding more stargates in various locales around the world. In a way, tieing together the various ancient civilizations that the whole ancient astronaut theory proposes were influenced by alien gods. They'd have the obvious ones like the Maya/Aztec/Inca cultures to play with. Maybe Stonehenge and the ancient far eastern culture's pyramids like those in Cambodia as well as the proto-Hindu gods and all that stuff. Hell, maybe even bring in some of the ancient Greek stuff like the Titans possibly being alien gods (maybe the Olympians were humans that overthrew the Titans?). That way each film could tie together thematically but have new imagery to keep things fresh. Stargate = Egypt. Stargate 2 = South American setting. Stargate 3 = India/Asia or maybe very early Ancient Greece. Yes I know they did some of this type of stuff in the TV series, but it was more background info as compared to how a film could focus on each culture independently.
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If Abrams directed a movie adaptation of Ender's Game, i wouldn't watch the movie, period. In fact, i'm very strongly considering not seeing SUPER 8 at all. I'll watch his Abrams Trek 2 movie just for the sheer curiosity to see how more he can fuck up Star Trek. This time, it will be for laughs. By the way, friend, when did i pissed on your cherios?
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STARGATE is the only movie made by Emmerich which i find really watchable. All his movies afterwards (and before) are just pure mindboggling retard godawfulness.
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In Prey Hugo Strange creates an anti Batman task force to answer the public's hatred for Bats who has been painted as a public enemy. He gets a badass violent cop to become a vigilante (which will be BANE in this incarnation) to outdo and destroy Batman. Meanwhile young bored Catwoman is hitting the scene but is frustated for being painted as Bats' partner. In the end Bats redeems himself to Gotham and Gordon (torn between Bats and the GPD) gets to help. Great story and it fits perfectly.
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March 28, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST
Emmerich was talking a while back about doing stargate sequels...
by Rebel Scumb
which completely disregard the tv shows, and would bring back the original cast. Personally I think the show made better use of the concept then the movie did. Although it would be funny to see Meg Ryan as Carter, and Michael Clarke Duncan as T'lec alongside Russell and Spader.
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I'm new to this whole thing, though have seen your posts regarding Abrams/Star Trek. I know virtually nothing about Star Trek mythos (well, maybe overstating that, I do love sci-fi but always been more partial to Star Wars) and haven't yet watched Abrams version, sincerely curious as to your reasons why the movie is shit. Is it just stylistically or deeper than that?
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Hahaha sorry did I open a can of worms? Don't really have an opinion on Abrams either way yet, I may be in the minority as I enjoyed Cloverfield, too; thought it was more visceral and creative than War of the Worlds (though yes, a bit gimmicky with the camcorder concept) and was one of those film ideas I wish I thought of that seemed so obvious after the fact. Super 8 is intriguing so far, just wondering why all the hate...
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He's busy boning his own step-granddaughter
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March 28, 2011, 10:19 p.m. CST
Batman and Robin is better than The Dark Knight Because
by kiwicanuck
Batman and Robin played hockey in it. Beauty, eh?
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Billy Dee Williams has an even more impressive 'stache than Oldman's. Even Chuck Norris would pause to take notice of that soup strainer.
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I just pray that he doesn't "bring it back around" like a second, more powerful Deathstar.
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The bank manager from the beginning of the Dark Knight in the Dark Knight Rises. That actor's (sorry, forget his name) twitchy charisma always makes any scene he's in that much better - he was amazing in Drive Angry.
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Because it had the aforementioned dude throughout the WHOLE MOVIE. Also, Nic Cage drank beer out of a skull.
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...so I guess the goal is to end Nolan's era of Batman films with something that is solid without trying to out do TDK.
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And Gary Oldman seems like an awfully nice guy.
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It's tough to see how Nolan is going to make this one feel special. Ledger's gone (overrated but still special performance), Two-Face is gone (unrealized, rushed character, but still interesting), the female leads never amounted to anything, Gordon's one-dimensional, the new cast members don't exactly add depth (Hathaway, really?), nor do the supposed new characters. And I was never impressed for a moment by the gear-fetish scenes in the first two movies. I really like Morgan Freeman, but a knowing smile from him followed by revving engines just doesn't hold any interest from me. And let's be honest - what is there, really, to Bale's Batman performance? All of that said, I would love to be knocked out by a creative home run by Nolan and co. He's playing with house money, as they say, and he doesn't seem too interested in making the leap to safe Hollywood pablum, so he may pull off something weird and unexpected. On paper, it's tough to believe in - how can he get more 'out' than his anarchist Joker? - but that's why the make the movies.
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I used to think that The Dark Knight was the better film, but Begins was the better comic book movie & more enjoyable because of it. <p> Then I re-watched TDK recently & it occurred to me that it's actually closer to a comic book than BB. BB is more like a traditional comic book MOVIE, as we expect them to be, but almost every scene in TDK has been shot like a panel in a graphic novel. <p> I didn't notice it before & it seems like nobody ever mentions it (in fact the common gripe is that TDK is Nolan's own take & not much like the comics), but I realised at the start of re-watching the film how each frame could be straight from the pages of a book & once I'd noticed it, virtually every scene took on a new look to me. It has to be deliberate. Maybe. Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part. But it certainly made me view it differently.
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If you can't wait watch my new short movie ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n04s-dH0XNQ
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The guy is lauded as this savior of cinema, but the truth is, he hasn't made anything that would put him in the top ranks of filmmakers, except maybe Memento, and even that is suspect. it's no Jaws, or Terminator, or Pulp Fiction, or Godfather, or Taxi Driver, or Goodfellas, or Robocop, etc. The guy has a weak visual sense...his setups and camera blocking is boring and uninspired, and to me you cannot be considered a great filmmaker when you're lacking the thing makes cinema, cinema...when I look at Verhoven's films, or Spileberg's, or Cameron's, Zemeckis', Fincher's, etc...I see a very distinct and acute virtuosity in the camera blocking...they tell stories with their camera setups...Nolan achieves most of his story through editing...his camera tells no story, the blurry ass, confusing action sequences in Batman Begins is a prime example...he's a bit like JJ abrahms in that regard. i dont see how someone can be considered a great movie director and his visual style is flat and uninspired...its the one thing that separates cinema from theater. The guy isn't terrible, he;s good with story and character, but he's so overrated its ridiculous...story and character are maybe 50% of a movie.
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March 29, 2011, 10:54 a.m. CST
by billy_d_williams: "Nolan is overrated" Bullshit. If anything, Nolaj is underrated, specially among the geekdom, which is a shame.
by AsimovLives
"The guy is lauded as this savior of cinema" Bullshit. He's lauded as a very good filmmaker, which he is. He's respected and admired by his fellow filmmakers in Holywood, including such heavyweights as James Cameron and Steven Spielberg. He's a filmmaker's filmmaker. "but the truth is, he hasn't made anything that would put him in the top ranks of filmmakers, except maybe Memento, and even that is suspect. it's no Jaws, or Terminator, or Pulp Fiction, or Godfather, or Taxi Driver, or Goodfellas, or Robocop" Might you have noticed that Jaws, Terminator and Robocop are pulp movies themselves. So, therefore, his Batman and Inception movies belong to such company. and The godfather was made to be a pulp movie itself, only it was elevated due to exquisite filmmaking artistry. And Pulp Fuction is no art movie,it's a movie made ot be entertaining and be seen a fun good old time at the theaters. So, yeah, Nolan's movies belong in that company. It's so sad that in this day and age a really talented filmmaker like Nolan gets pissed upon by the very people who should be the ones most aware of his quality, the people we call movie geeks, meaning, we. While at the dsame time the geeks hail bullshit hacks like JJ Abrams, Zack Snyder and Michael Bay as viosionaries saviors of whatever. What bullshit!
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My disregard for Abrams Trek is way deeper then merely a "this blows ass" thing. It's more then just the stylistic reasons. Though the over-abuse of lens flares, making the interiors of the Enterprise look like a lobby of a natural products pharmacy, the Michael Bay movie lightining and the overabuse of close ups doesn't help either. I have wrote literally, dozens of thousands of words about why Abrams Trek is such a deplorable movie. So, for give me if right now i don't want to go on anthe rtirede about this subject. Nor is this talkback the one whihc is a ppropriate to do so. Let's wait for some other talkback dedicated ot JJ Abrams, or to the future sequels to be or maybe even the next talkback dedicated to SUPER 8. That would be fair, don't you think? By the way, i love your handle. "clarence_boddickers_optometrist". that's so awesome! Made me laugh like hell. As a fellow fan of ROBOCOP, i have to say, good choice, friend.
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Hey sure, fair enough. We'll see about Super 8, and interesting opinions on the Abrams stuff. I appreciate the compliment-just kinda came to me one day and I thought: scary proposition/job description. Better get that prescription right or your ass is grass. Or maybe, I thought, maybe Clarence's optometrist is the only one he truly trusts and confides in, in that crazy world we know as old Detroit....Hmmmm..... Plus of course I'm a major Robocop fan, too Here's hoping the Robocop re-invention won't be a total abomination.
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March 29, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST
What's up with all this re-writing of history? Did I miss this backlash against TDK?
by Coughlins Laws
It most certainly was NOT overrated!!! To read some of these posts it looks like some of you seem to think it was The Phantom Menace. It was a great, suspenseful story. It had excellent set pieces. It had great acting. I don't see why some of you are all of the sudden shitting on it...
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I don't doubt the power of Nolan. Dude just doesn't know how to fuck up.
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In fact this barely qualifies as news. If an actor started talking to the press about what a piece of shit he was in (like Edward Norton right before The Italian Job came out), THAT would be worthy of a headline. Some guy saying that he thinks the movie he's making is going to be good is most definitely not. They're expected to say things like that, and 99% of the time nobody pays attention to them. But because Batman is involved, all of a sudden everybody loses their shit. Then again, the TalkBack to this non-event has 228 posts, so maybe Quint is crazy like a fox. Still, not news.
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Gotham is filled with more crazies than ever. Batman starts to feel partially responsible. Bane becomes a city experiment against these crazy baddies. Catwoman is close a relative of Gordon's, and is another "crazy" (even though she means well). She ends up dying along with a lot of innocents in some idiotic mess that shouldn't have happened. Gordon starts to think Batman has gotten out of control, and ultimately teams up with Bane to stop him. The film ultimately ends with Gordon killing Batman, although Wayne understands that things have gone too far, and that if he really wants to help Gotham, that Batman has to die. (Supreme sacrifice/killed by a friend.) That's along the lines of what I'd do, anyway.
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I think you nailed it. Bane will play Night Scourge's role. Catwoman fits in. That likely leaves JGL as Hugo Strange. How does Talia fit in though, that's the question. Perhaps Bane will be an agent of the League of Shadows?
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Why is it "very cool" and "awesomesauce"? It's more of a tidbit, isn't it?
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March 30, 2011, 8:01 a.m. CST
Chris Nolan to fire Gary Oldman for revealing too much on Absolute Radio.
by Arafel
After watching Gary Oldman reveal secret details about TDKR script on Absolute Radio, Chris Nolan has fired him from the movie, and he will be replaced with Peter Weller. Weller is best known for appearing in the first two Robocop films, and for appearing on an episode of Star Trek: Enterprise.
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Lois Lanes, like Ewoks to Supes C3PO
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Are you a Detroit man? If so, i'm sorry your place is in such disarray. As for ROBOCOP, if you ask me, there's not enough fans of that movie. And like many, i view the proposed remake of that film with great suspicion. I really can't see how they can even compare, much less surpass the original. Hell, i even pretend the sequels don't exist. For me, ROBOCOP is a stand alone movie. I mean, did the sequels ever got a Criterion DVD release? See what i mean?
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Regarding the TDK bashing, it seems that for some people, they way to be in the cool and be street and goig agaisnt the man is to bash really good movies, specially those which are lucky enough to be also popular as well. I used to think that by being a movie geek, one would had a radar that automatically detected the bullshit movies and the very good ones and thus would go automatically toward the good movies and praise would come fast and quick. This my times at IMDB and AICN have proved me wrong. Seems geeks are good in detecting quality among the classics, but not so much about the new stuff, where hype rules the land.
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March 31, 2011, 9:35 a.m. CST
used to think Aliens was a better movie for its 'genre' than Alien was
by Smack_Teddy
back when i was thinking idiot (incidentally also pisshead) thoughts like that
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