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Mr. Beaks Excuses Zack Snyder's SUCKER PUNCH!

(There are major fucking spoilers in the below review.)

Zack Snyder's SUCKER PUNCH kicks off with the parting of a theater curtain onto which the Warner Bros. logo has been projected. It's a Brechtian gesture borrowed from Baz Luhrmann's MOULIN ROUGE, only not quite as empty; while both films call attention to the artifice of the proceeding work, Snyder's plunge through the proscenium at least carries with it an inquisitive charge. Luhrmann's gaudy revel was only about heightening familiar archetypes to a delirious, fever-dream degree; it aspired to be nothing more than a high-energy melange. Snyder's film is just as stylistically audacious, but the action and the sexuality are presented at a remove. The only logical reading of Snyder's films suggests the director is genuinely unnerved by the fetishization of scantily-clad (if clad at all) fighting women that's been a staple of the fantasy genre since Frank Frazetta reigned supreme. The girls in SUCKER PUNCH look great brandishing all manner of weaponry, but they're pawns in a male-created universe. They're human dolls. Their victories are not their own.

In other words, all of those eye-popping, expertly-staged action sequences Warner Bros. has been selling since last year's San Diego Comic Con? They're not meant to be rousing at all. They're hot-and-heavy reveries induced by the gyrating Babydoll (Emily Browning), a waifish innocent who's been institutionalized by her sadistic stepfather (Gerard Plunkett). If you get off on the fantasies, you're as bad as the drooling louts for whom Babydoll is writhing; if you find them empowering, you're completely misguided.

The latter revelation - which gets sprung on the girls late in the film - is the "sucker punch". Adventuring in skintight military uniforms and schoolgirl outfits isn't quite the "fuck you" to the world they think it is - tragically, the message being sent is "fuck me". On one heightened plane of reality, they're burlesque performers being pimped out to high-rolling rakes by their abusive manager Blue (Oscar Isaac); on the more grounded plane, they're just troubled girls left to rot in a decrepit institution (where they're pawed by their abusive caretaker Blue). Babydoll's situation is much more dire, of course, given that her stepfather has shelled out for a lobotomy meant to wipe clean the record of his crimes (most notably the murder of Babydoll's sister) - and it's only when she's strapped into a chair, awaiting the impalement of her frontal lobe, that Babydoll conjures the first alternate plane of reality.

And here's the first of many problems with SUCKER PUNCH: the moment Snyder cuts from a resigned, soon-to-be-catatonic Babydoll to the defiant Sweet Pea (Abbie Cornish), the jig is up. Anyone familiar enough with the fantasy/sci-fi genre to be interested in what Snyder's attempting has seen the film he's, as Hitch would say, fromaging. And while this notion of transference is something of a novel spin (the dream of Sweet Pea escaping to Fort Wayne, Indiana is the last thing that goes through Babydoll's mind before the metal spike), the text never links these two characters in a narratively logical or thematically compelling way.

This is frustrating because I'm all for an $82 million movie that punishes the audience for indulging their inner-misogynist under the guise of female empowerment - especially since so many alleged "girl power" texts are the leering products of a male imagination. And while I would argue that it's perfectly fine to be turned on by the sight of an ass-kicking woman (I mean, this is James Cameron's bread-and-butter), there's very often a Sweet Gwendoline quality to movies and shows like CHARLIE'S ANGELS, DARK ANGEL and DOLLHOUSE*: the women feel less like heroines, and more like lasciviously manipulated objects of desire. But Snyder's movie lacks both the chutzpah and the intellectual rigor to fully explore this notion, and ultimately winds up being an intermittently breathtaking movie for no one: the ideas are half-baked and, at 109 minutes, it's just long enough to wear out its welcome as a mindless action movie.

There's also the continuing problem of Snyder's limited pop cultural frame of reference: while I enjoyed his appropriation of overly familiar songs and film sequences in WATCHMEN (in particular his gleeful travestying of Leonard Cohen's once-lovely, now-ruined "Hallelujah"), there doesn't seem to be anything subversive about, for instance, his use of The Pixies' "Where Is My Mind" - which, remix and rearrange it all you want, belongs in perpetuity to FIGHT CLUB. Factor in SUCKER PUNCH's institutional green color palette, which unavoidably recalls the look of Fincher's landmark '99 film, and it feels like he's just emulating one of his favorite movies. If the song served any other purpose - aside from ironically presaging Babydoll's forthcoming lobotomy - I missed it. Unfortunately, the rest of the soundtrack is equally uninspired: "White Rabbit", "Army of Me", "We Will Rock You"... dig a little deeper, man.

And yet for all its failings, Snyder's prodigious filmmaking talents are on full display in SUCKER PUNCH. The action sequences may be emotionally inert, but they're supposed to be. If that was Superman battling humanoid minions on a bomb-rigged train headed straight for the heart of Metropolis, audiences would be losing their minds. So if you're worried about THE MAN OF STEEL, don't be: all Snyder needs is a classically-structured script with nothing subversive up its sleeve, and he'll be fine.

Like most cinematic world-builders (Ridley Scott springs to mind), Snyder is only as good as his material. No shame in that - unless he insists on writing it.

Faithfully submitted,

Mr. Beaks


*Though I'm told Joss Whedon's short-lived series was getting interesting right as it was cancelled.
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  • March 25, 2011, 4:46 p.m. CST

    I liked the movie

    by WickedChicken37

    It was a fun romp.

  • March 25, 2011, 4:49 p.m. CST



    Zach Snyder’s SUCKERPUNCH burst forth onto the screen like so much of my spunk onto the face of an Asian prostitute. 60 caliber loads skeeting her up proper. For all you ‘mo’s out there who adored 300.…just stay the fuck home. Snyder got it right this time by putting a whole shit ton of poon on the screen. The only thing missing was Malin Ackermans bare titties classing up the place. All the triumph of WATCHMEN, DotD, 300 and that owl movie are group sexed together into one mighty soft core wet dream. Emily Browning plays Babydoll. A luscious little bit, that battles dragons (penis), ninja swords (penis), samurai with mini guns (big penis) and never struggles to keep it sexy in the process. Will she make her escape? Will she win in the end? Will she be able to take all of Scott Glenn’s manhood? All these questions keep the plot ticking like a clock. It fluffs, squeezes and strokes the audience to full release. Another paragon of the industry. Hollywood should be throwing coke, hookers, money and any project he wants at the feet of Snyder. Thank God he is at the helm of SUPERMAN. With any luck Cavill will “Oedipus” Diane Lane and then Snyder should work in all these SUCKandorPUNCH bitches into Kal-El’s harem. Well done Zack. Full fledged Choppahood granted. 1,000,000 out of 10 stars. SEE THIS MOVIE.

  • March 25, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST

    wickedchicken37, PLANT!


  • March 25, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Snyder from a recent interview with the WSJ:


    REPORTER: Your style is very polarizing, but how tough is it to make sure those flourishes have something to say as opposed to just being empty or even embodying what it seeks to deconstruct? SNYDER: I guess that’s the irony that I enjoy. I couldn’t make this film and I feel like the film is incredibly dishonest if you film it like in a real institution and you really are in WWI and the girls are of the period and everything feels like [reality]. There’s that version of the movie that’s like heart-attack serious, and by the way, way more manipulative, and probably everyone would be like, oh, this is cool, I totally get it and it’s awesome – it’s original and crazy. But to me it’s a more dishonest movie because the irony is so important to me; someone asked me, why did you dress the girls like that? And I said, I didn’t dress them that way, you did. That’s what pop culture demands, not me. And that’s fun for me — I love that when confronted with the exact formula that they request, they get all freaked out by it, because they’re like, “wait a minute – he’s right. I do like this, and maybe that’s my fault.

  • March 25, 2011, 4:55 p.m. CST

    "SUCKER PUNCH Reconsidered: An essay by THE_CHOPPAH"


    SUCKER PUNCH is conceptually alluring but laborious and visionless. And it is a nightmare for audiences looking for coherent fiction. It's hard to connect with a movie when it tries so hard to fool you; is this a dream, is it not, is it a dream within a dream? Who cares? Just commit to something and get on with it. A crushing bore. Snyder's latest is so slow and so confusing that you may actually fall asleep. Or wish you were really dreaming and could wake up and dream another movie. If you had to explain it to someone--and I'd wish you luck in doing so--you might say it's sort of like Charlie's Angels, but with Nazi zombies, airplane-eating dragons, and whole cities in flame. Only someone who never saw--or appreciated--Dark City would be able to call it visionary. What is the point of having an imagination, I ask you, if the only thing that can be imagined is mayhem, perpetrated without regard for even the appearance of human life? The story--about girls in a mental institution who detach from reality--often sidetracks in favor of cool visuals that don't necessarily make sense. None of this prattling drivel adds up to one iota of cogent or convincing logic. You never know who anyone is, what their goals are, who they work for or what they're doing. By convoluting the various planes of experience, by overlapping and obscuring ostensible realities and ostensible dreams, Snyder deprives us the opportunity of investing emotionally in any of it. If you recall the scene in DAHMER where Jeremy Renner as the deranged killer drills holes into his victims' heads, you'll know what watching this Freudian claptrap of a thriller is like. SUCKER PUNCH is a rather juvenile brain-teaser lacking an effective emotional core but bursting with cool visuals. Unlike the most powerful dreams it doesn't stick with you. If the career of Zack Snyder is any indication, we've entered an era in which movies can no longer be great. They can only be awesome, which isn't nearly the same thing. A false dawn.

  • March 25, 2011, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Oh, so now Beaks (Mr. Irreversible) is a feminist?! Im not buying it!


    Guess there just weren't enough rape scenes in it for him.

  • March 25, 2011, 4:57 p.m. CST

    "I didn’t dress them that way, you did"

    by schadenfreudian

    He sounds like Charles Manson.

  • March 25, 2011, 5 p.m. CST

    One thing about Snyder is that he is a techie

    by AssyMuffJizz

    If he wasn't he wouldn't have been able to pull off 300 being a no-name at that point. So, I very much believe that he is hands on with the digital effects in his movies. If anything the same criticism aimed at George Lucas can be lobbed at Snyder, that he is too much into the technology of the filmmaking process to the detriment of the other elements like story and acting. Zack The Hack was not a nobody no-name when he made 300. He had made the remake of DAWN OF THE DEAD, which was quite a very sucessful commercial movie. And you know what? I did liked his first movie,a nd i though the dude showed promise and a name to look for. And he completly fucked it up all the good will with his retard piece of dumb ass shit called 300. That is a movie made by a retard moron stupid idotic fuck. Movies do reflect some of what a filmmaker is, and 300 shows what a complete stupid retard Zack The Hack is. Then the fuck-ass decided to try to pull a smart and fucked up WATCHMEN beyond all possible recognition. Fuck if this assclown isn't stupid! Stupid and ignorant. Fuck Zack The Hack and his stupid ignorant ass! And the fucking SUCKER PUNCH movie doesn't look any better. This stupid ass is quite a piece of work!

  • March 25, 2011, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Thanks for dredging up that old post, assy


    I still stand by it.


  • March 25, 2011, 5:10 p.m. CST

    You can't see the FOREST through the TREES. Unless your the Choppah!

    by Darth_Kong

    Keep Choppin.

  • March 25, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST

    You can't smell your own shit on your knees!


  • March 25, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Online critics trying to engage this movie intellectually is risible.

    by unlimitedspace

    There's no 'there' there, and you insult readers' intelligence by paying lip service to the supposed subversion that Zack Snyder spun as PR the week before release. There's nothing thematically audacious coming from the guy who de-politicized Dawn of the Dead, embraced Frank Miller's not-quite-self-parodying reactionary machismo and xenophobia, and never came close to cracking the material with Watchmen. Was his fucking owl movie some genius attempt at deconstruction too? Is that why it was shitty, boring and stupid? The only thing this shlock illuminates is that Snyder has the inner life of a 13-year-old.

  • March 25, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST

    THE_CHOPPAH aint the trees or the forest


    he is THE_AX CHOPPED!

  • Then again, it only gets me more interested in the movie. I love me a raging and risky creative failure. Hell, I would have gone to see Taymor's Spider-Man abortion if I could afford it.

  • March 25, 2011, 5:16 p.m. CST

    This movie's a TURD that won't flush. FACT!

    by Darth_Kong

  • I keep seeing this pop up. I know you talkbackers sometimes get caught up in stupid bullshit memes from time to time, but I get the sense that this one might just be true.

  • March 25, 2011, 5:18 p.m. CST

    "...stupid bullshit memes..."


    you mean life at GayICN?

  • March 25, 2011, 5:18 p.m. CST

    I just got DONKEY PUNCHED, I mean Sucker Punched by the Choppah.

    by Darth_Kong

  • March 25, 2011, 5:20 p.m. CST

    GOD I HATED 300.

    by Darth_Kong

  • March 25, 2011, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Choppah, if you want to be all homophobic about it.

    by D Ropaela

  • March 25, 2011, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Can we RE-Boot Sucker Punch with 17 year old boys?

    by Darth_Kong

  • March 25, 2011, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Apparently spoiler free reviews are impossible at AICN

    by NateHawg

    No, I didn't read the review. Just an observation.

  • March 25, 2011, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Here's what is true about SUCKER PUNCH...

    by FlickaPoo

    1- I will see it. 2- I will not ask much of it. 3- I will most likely see it at home. 4- I will see it with a bottle (and probably more than one) of decent wine. 5- After I watch it, I will have sex. I expect it'll be a pleasant evening.

  • March 25, 2011, 5:27 p.m. CST


    by D Ropaela

    Interesting. Faraci does write under his own name at Badass Digest (what a pathetic and silly title for his blog, by the way), so why would he write here under a pseudonym? But then, as you correctly point out, he is widely despised in the geek community and it wouldn't necessarily be beyond him to troll so hard under a pseudonym. Hmmmm.

  • March 25, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST

    As someone from Fort Wayne, IN...

    by Frat Boy

    Trust me, that's no kind of escape.

  • March 25, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST

    if you aren't afraid of homos


    you aren't paying attention. Do you know how easy it is for an Asian man to pass himself off as a Filipino hooker? WATCH OUT!

  • March 25, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST


    by D Ropaela

    Sounds like the right plan.

  • March 25, 2011, 5:31 p.m. CST



    if you put this much energy into your twitter account it wouldn't read like a Ryan Seacrest fan page.

  • March 25, 2011, 5:33 p.m. CST

    This is just a ripoff of much better movies

    by Mel

    The movie is just gimmicky shit. obvious garbage. nothing original. just a bunch of knock off of better movies.

  • March 25, 2011, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Did I mention how much I hate 300?

    by Darth_Kong

  • March 25, 2011, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Did I mention how much I hate 300?

    by Darth_Kong

  • March 25, 2011, 5:35 p.m. CST

    One has to thank "Sucker Punch" for this:

    by WriteForTheEdit

    It's made for some of the wackiest TB action in awhile.

  • So how does that make you feel.

  • Did you seriously just try to review a movie in a talkback? lol. get your own website. You're a nobody. Talkbacks are for one liners. And speaking of one-liners, could you please change your name? "Get to the choppah" is about as old as my grandmother's bush. Get with the times, maybe change your name to "Duh Winning" or something. That's got a shelf life of about 15 more minutes.

  • March 25, 2011, 5:36 p.m. CST

    And I never gave Vanessa Hudgens (sp?) much thought...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...until seeing this poster. Dayum.

  • March 25, 2011, 5:36 p.m. CST


    by Darth_Kong

    I almost pee'd my pants Choppah!

  • March 25, 2011, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Wait a minute. Am I allowed to call BULLSHIT on myself?

    by Darth_Kong

  • March 25, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST


    by D Ropaela


  • March 25, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST

    THE_CHOPPAH is popular.....


    at AAA, the Bunny Ranch, the gun range, Whole Foods, Discovery Zone, Rainforest Cafe, Blockbuster Video (before all the unpleasantness), the Playboy Mansion, Saddams Palace, Outback Steakhouse and Dave and Busters.

  • March 25, 2011, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Naw. Never mind. I still hate 300.

    by Darth_Kong

  • March 25, 2011, 5:43 p.m. CST

    I knew Beaks review would be pro Snyder

    by D o o d

    so no surprises there. Now I'm sure this film is total and utter shite!

  • March 25, 2011, 5:44 p.m. CST

    I don't need your pity, bd, I just need your suicide note


  • March 25, 2011, 5:44 p.m. CST


    by WriteForTheEdit


  • March 25, 2011, 5:45 p.m. CST

    but, really, bd, where did we go so wrong?


    We used to have something special, you and me.

  • March 25, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    I remember your lockesbrokenrecord days


    You were always dumb, but there was a certain dimwitted charm to your posts.

  • March 25, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Would a NAKED PILLOW FIGHT have saved this movie?

    by Darth_Kong

  • March 25, 2011, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Hey Flickapoo, they're grown men. Let em have it out.

    by Darth_Kong

  • March 25, 2011, 5:49 p.m. CST

    No. no you can't be like me


    not at all

  • March 25, 2011, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Why don't you come home, bd, and be my Snoogie Woogie again?


  • March 25, 2011, 5:50 p.m. CST

    If it was 2 a.m. on Valentines Day


    braindrain would be balls deep in a tube sock.

  • March 25, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST

    darth_kong: Naked pillow fights will save ANY movie

    by WriteForTheEdit

    I hear Scott is filming a Noomi/Charlize bout for "Prometheus." Just in case...

  • March 25, 2011, 5:52 p.m. CST

    "..they're grown men."


    well one of us is.

  • March 25, 2011, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Actually, THIS TALKBACK is some sort of weird naked pillow fight...

    by WriteForTheEdit


  • March 25, 2011, 5:54 p.m. CST

    writefortheedit: In the HYPERSLEEP chamber right?

    by Darth_Kong

  • March 25, 2011, 5:54 p.m. CST

    oop.....the ole "mom joke"


    sign of a "drained" wit. log off son. you put up a good fight. wait no you didn't.

  • March 25, 2011, 5:55 p.m. CST

    I've been gone for a while. It seems AICN talkbacks are almost...

    by FlickaPoo long as they used to be, except it's the same four talkbackers...running around like farts in a love-sock, looking for a hole to get out.

  • March 25, 2011, 5:56 p.m. CST

    flick I already used the love sock bit


    get your own material

  • March 25, 2011, 5:57 p.m. CST

    fuck this thread


    Asi is back

  • March 25, 2011, 5:58 p.m. CST

    I want that Charlize-Noomi Pillow Fight something FIERCE!

    by Darth_Kong

  • an old review. You owe me beer.

  • March 25, 2011, 6:06 p.m. CST

    The difference between Ridley Scott and Zack Snyder

    by kwisatzhaderach

    is that Ridley Scott is a world-class filmmaker.

  • March 25, 2011, 6:08 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach: May the hand of GOD be with us all.

    by Darth_Kong

  • March 25, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Superman will be suckerpunched

    by Sprinky

    Not to worry Beaks says. Yeah right!! If he can't nail his own movie... how on earth will be able to "get" a franchise like Superman?

  • March 25, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    I give it an A for effect and a B- for execution.

    by antonphd

    I think people who think this movie is hollow completely miss the point, but that's ok. For this movie to resonate with you, you have to understand where these girls are coming from. I was a foster kid and I completely understand this movie and I'm really surprised that Zack Snyder had the nerve to tell this story. This is a story about surviving being traumatically violated. If you have been then you get every single moment of this film. Especially the fantasy. This movie is a basically a little kid's finger painting about what has been happening at home. Zack is a brave person to make this movie. It's not for mainstream audiences. This movie is for victims. Myself, I was choking up at the end watching the girl on the bus. That's the dream of all people in that situation.

  • March 25, 2011, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Fantastic Review

    by AmericanMovieFan

    First off, excellent vocabulary Mr. Beaks and secondly, you've succinctly assessed this film's problems better than any other review out there. Salut!

  • March 25, 2011, 6:32 p.m. CST

    If you really want to get rid of Choppah...

    by jimmy_009

    ...or any troll, don't talk to him/them. Or how about banning anyone that responds to him/them. See how fast they go away when no one feeds their "hilarious" retardedness. Or just ignore them.

  • March 25, 2011, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Are critics afraid to say this movie is bad??

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Massa gave a good, no-hold review and yet the other AICN SuckerPunch reviews seem to be scared of giving this movie a bad review. Is Nolan threatening to withhold set visits for the Dark Knight Rises if this movie gets a bad review? Afterall he did pick Zack for Superman so he's invested in the guy. Plus I have a feeling he chose Zack to direct Supes because he knows its failure will only make the DKR look even better!

  • March 25, 2011, 6:51 p.m. CST

    jimmy_009 is right.

    by D Ropaela

    While I do get a kick out of Choppah, if you don't like his shit you gotta ignore it. Same with braindrain. Why does anybody even bother with that slug?

  • March 25, 2011, 6:58 p.m. CST


    by Lucky13

    That's "SIR" Ridley Fucking Scott.

  • March 25, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    hollywoodhellraiser - isn't it getting 20% on Rotten Tomatoes

    by antonphd

    having seen the movie today, i'd say that i'm not at all surprised that only 20% of film reviewers liked this movie, because that's about how many i expect have a beating heart that is capable of sympathizing with the girls in the film and a working brain to understand that the movie is about a girl using fantasy to survive. it's Pan's Labyrinth only fantasy instead of a nightmare.

  • March 25, 2011, 7:19 p.m. CST

    antonphd you are correct

    by Arteska

    This is one of the most collectively embarrassing critical consensus reactions I can recall. It's no mistake that it is driven largely by older guys with no clue about what they are seeing and younger guys pissed or clueless about how they are being indicted. Throw in a complete disregard for convention (including narrative) and there is no way most of the sheep will stand for it. Seeing all these reviews I can't help but think of a girl I knew in college that, after seeing "Glory" was incredulous that Denzel Washington won an Oscar because he didn't have very many lines.

  • March 25, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST

    antonphd and arteska...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...your comments are intriguing. I know I want to see this, so I've pretty much avoided reading anything about it...but I just assumed it's dumb hot fun. Now I'm curious.

  • March 25, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST


    by blakindigo

    "When you get to heaven, you tell the angels that you've never seen evil so singularly personified as you did in the man who killed you." That man? the_choppah.

  • March 25, 2011, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Snyder ≠ Ridley Scott

    by blakindigo

    Um… no.

  • March 25, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST

    turd, I haven't seen this yet, but as a rule...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I love being surprised by a little depth in unexpected places. Sometimes being caught off guard by meaning can even give it a little more punch.

  • March 25, 2011, 8:06 p.m. CST


    by blakindigo

    Keep your expectations low. I'm still digesting the movie. Saw it on Wednesday — surrounded by people who HATED it. I was severely disappointed. Doesn't mean it doesn't have great things about it, but I can't recommend it. I'll need to see it again. Snyder is brilliant in the image department. But this film is hard to read.

  • March 25, 2011, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Dickholes on Metacritic giving it a ZERO.

    by Playkins

    Fucking Christ.... a zero should mean the fucking thing never came out. A 5 out of 10 is a FAIL grade. Goddamn morons.<P> That's exactly why I don't go by rotten tomatoes or Metacritic: BULLSHIT. Seems like no one has a clue how to be subjective anymore, it's like a knee-jerk reaction.

  • March 25, 2011, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Will do, blakindigo.

    by FlickaPoo

    Where would you rate it on the SPARTACUS glorious cheese-O-meter?

  • March 25, 2011, 8:33 p.m. CST

    homersexual 5?

    by Darth_Kong

  • So Beaks is reviewing the filmmaker and not the film. Fuck you Beaks. You judge the movie for what it is, not give the filmmaker excuses because he cant write. Writing is only half the battle. The movie is the movie, if it sucks, it sucks. Who cares who wrote it? Beaks proves he's still sucking on Snyder's balls like most of the clueless fanboys giving this turd a pass. Man the fuck up Beaks and just call the movie for what it is...fucking pussy.

  • March 25, 2011, 8:44 p.m. CST

    STOP talking about choppah

    by Billy_D_Williams

    ignore trolls and they go away...jesus

  • March 25, 2011, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Worry about Superman

    by Scytherius

    After this, worry about Superman. I liked Watchman but know it dragged. And this? Wow. S***.

  • March 25, 2011, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Ryan, please write a review for this movie. I don't care if you've seen it or not.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • March 25, 2011, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Remember totalfuckingdestruction

    by Phategod100

    that guys was cool he's say his catch phrase leave and we'd be alright, now we have mor-fucking-ons who insist there type of internet deity, shouting BS noone gives a fuck about.

  • March 25, 2011, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Sucker Punch - 5 out of 5 Stars - Loved it!!!

    by codecrackx15

  • He's brash and intuitive with stunning natural skill and ability, but lacks the insight to produce truly great and mind blowing art. I'd say perhaps he could grow into a true auteur with time and experience, but he's 45 for gods sake and his die is surely cast. Sucker Punch is an ambitious film with interesting ideas and great moments that falls apart due to a weak script and uninspired music selections. A little true imagination and cojones would have gone a long way toward making this something revelatory. As it stands, it's an amusing diversion that will make a great bluray to pull out when friends come over. At the very least, it's certainly not the earth shattering war crime all these apoplectic internet nerds are making it out to be. It's only March everybody, settle down.

  • March 25, 2011, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Gonna be a lot of Babydolls at Comic Con this and every year from now on.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • March 25, 2011, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Um choppah

    by WickedChicken37

    I'm not a plant. I just thought it was a fun movie and took as that. Eye candy with a very underdeveloped story.

  • March 25, 2011, 11:24 p.m. CST

    just saw sucker punch

    by jsfithaca

    my advice when u see it. watch the fucking amazing action sequeces cuz their incredible. and then ignore everything else, cuz its really stupid. and if u do watch the rest, dont try to comprehend it, cuz you'll just come to the same conclusion over and over that it dosent make any sense

  • March 25, 2011, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Still Loking forward to this movie

    by Andrew Walker

    I liked Mr Beaks review. I have been waiting for this movie for months now. The first time I saw a trailer for this movie I was like Fuck Yea!! Swords, planes, jet packs, and chicks!!! How could you go wrong? Then add the trailer with LZ and Pannic Switch. I was like I have to see this movie now. Hell if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. I could not wait to be a true movie geek again. After reading the various reviews on the site today I will admit I am still wanting to see this movie. 300 is the fi,m I test out for changing formats and trying on different devices. I never get bored with that folm. The other movie I use to test out things is Kill Bill 1. I mention this just to give you an idea of what I like. I am married wit 2 kids at 44. Call me dirty old man but the opportunity to watch these you hotties in skimpy clothes yeilding swords and Uzi is a wet dream for this geek. I am not looking for plot or character development. I just want to see some real cool imagery, cool weapons and kick ass chicks. If Zack can deliver on that then you will be able to count me as one satisfied customer. I mean let's face it. The cool movies are either about super heroes or subtle sci-fi. This one looks like maybe the first one to see that and try to exploit the need with the mistake of making this PG-13. I am looking forward to see what Zack does on the DVD, will it be a straight cut or will we see more of what was really there. For both instances I look forward to the challenge. Call me Killerfoo

  • March 25, 2011, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Vanessa Hudgens

    by Dave

    Am I the only person who thought her hairstyle in the movie made her look like that stupid fat whore Snooki from Jersey Shore? Every goddamn time "Blondie" was on screen it took me out of the movie.

  • March 25, 2011, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Vanessa Hudgens

    by Dave

    Am I the only person who thought her hairstyle in the movie made her look like that stupid fat whore Snooki from Jersey Shore? Every goddamn time "Blondie" was on screen it took me out of the movie.

  • March 26, 2011, 12:07 a.m. CST


    by WickedChicken37

    I enjoyed a dumb action movie that had the potential of being so much more. So because my opinion of the movie differs from yours that makes me a "piece of shit" and "fuckin' mongoloid"? You sir are a hateful individual who has nothing better to do than try to show off your superior intellect. In fact you are nothing more than a troll and should try growing up and moving out of your parent's basement. Good day sir.

  • March 26, 2011, 12:35 a.m. CST


    by WickedChicken37 Looks like they are offering overnight shipping. You can be pimple free in no time and then maybe a girl will touch you without first having to vomit. And again I say, good day sir.

  • March 26, 2011, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Sailor Moon

    by pkn

    Maybe this has been brought up before, but I couldn't help noticing how Emily Browning was dressed and made up to look eerily like Sailor Moon. And the logos for SM and Sucker Punch are quite similar as well. I wish I could be as confident as Beaks seems to be that it's a subversive critique.

  • March 26, 2011, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Did someone say naked pillow fight?

    by Frank Conniff

    Oh, never mind. And MJCDPC, why are we assuming that Vanessa Hudgen’s pussy is unshaved? That would be a shame.

  • He should join the debate team. Our small, african american school will show those Harvard elitists what’s what. Directed by Denzel Washington.

  • damn right

  • March 26, 2011, 4:40 a.m. CST


    by joergn

    So Zack Snyder is not a overpowered manga-fanboy bringing his feverish Girlpower-fantasies to live? Instead he is a secret agent of the hidden feminist agenda led by sexually frustrated old ladies living with their kittens, wearing dirty grey sweaters? Sorry, I don´t buy it! And for the sake of entertaining there´s nothing wrong sexualizing the other sex. He, just watch the metrosexual bunch of pretty faces luring the girls to theaters nowadays!

  • March 26, 2011, 7:26 a.m. CST

    the ONLY logical reading?

    by subtlety

    "The only logical reading of Snyder's films suggests the director is genuinely unnerved by the fetishization of scantily-clad (if clad at all) fighting women..." Or it means Snyder has no understanding of subtext whatsoever and this film is just a thinly contrived mash-up of nerd iconography which looks cool in slow-mo. Which seems way more likely.

  • March 26, 2011, 7:36 a.m. CST

    It was pure crap... well almost.

    by SunTzu77

    Special effects, dp work, and choreography = A+ <br> <br> Story = D-

  • March 26, 2011, 7:36 a.m. CST


    by SunTzu77

    Dialogue = F Acting = D-

  • March 26, 2011, 7:58 a.m. CST


    by originalmemflix

    Beaks stretches the film thin looking for meaning when there really is none to be found. I saw this thing last night. Just the longest, most expensive music video ever made. If you know that going in, you might dig it. But really, there's nothing more to it. I hope Nolan has his reins tight on Snyder because if this is what he has planned for Superman....

  • March 26, 2011, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Roeper nails it! lol

    by SunTzu77

  • March 26, 2011, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Roeper was pro Snyder too

    by Tom

    Snyder is basically 2-1. So far my only fear about his Superman movie is that it will be some kind of remake of Superman II, with the Phantom Zone villains.

  • March 26, 2011, 9:49 a.m. CST

    " genuinely unnerved by the fetishization"

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Good GOD give it up. This meme has got to stop, it is fucking ridiculous to suggest he is unnerved by something he IS PARADING ACROSS THE SCREEN FOR TWO HOURS

  • March 26, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST

    "The action sequences may be emotionally inert, but they're supposed to be"

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    You have got to be kidding me

  • March 26, 2011, 10:27 a.m. CST


    by doom master

    I admit it... but its still nice to see somebody not taking a shit all over it.... Its art, if anything....doesnt have to make sense.

  • March 26, 2011, 10:32 a.m. CST

    who wants to see Emily Browning naked?

    by doom master

    Damn I sure want to after watching this...damn girl's got hips and thighs...

  • March 26, 2011, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Have any of you clowns actually seen the movie?

    by Aaron

    Seriously, has anyone actually gone to watch it? I ask because your semi-moronic utterances are all the same. I will watch it. I have not. And frankly I don't give a shit about 'emotionally connecting' with the characters. That's a bunch of warmed-over unoriginal thought. Did I emotionally connect with Captain America throwing his mighty shield in the new trailer? No. Did I get goosebumps because it was so ruling? Yes. The only thing I can say negatively about SP is that the trailers have not, in fact, given me goosebumps. And scantily clad bitches on a screen don't do much for me. I prefer them next to me.

  • March 26, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST

    zurenarrh, I watched it yesterday

    by WickedChicken37

    I liked it. It was a fun visual showcase. It could have been much more, in my opinion. He should have gone the Kill Bill route and made it 2 movies giving him time to flesh out the characters more.

  • March 26, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST

    I think the comparisons between Zack Snyder and Baz Lurhman...

    by rbatty024

    are rather apt. Both directors are known for their visual flair. Both espouse style over substance. Both are fairly mediocre at what they do.

  • March 26, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Action movies with female main characters r shit

    by itsallinthereflexes

    FACT Im fuckin sick of all these shitty fronted action movies with the cringey female empowerment message. Im sorry, but when I go see an action movie I want to see a badass guy like classic Arnold or these days maybe a bit of J Stath. They are for the most part male fantasy fulfillment and no Milla Jovovich, Angelina Jolie or fuckin Vanessa Hudgens is gonna cut it. Action movies require men with muscles, guns and a semi decent story. THAT IS ALL.

  • March 26, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Should have used Pixies "Velouria"

    by TheJudger

    Just as epis as where is my mind, and for the most part unused in film.

  • March 26, 2011, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Viggo Mortensen to be in Superman as General Zod

    by ragingfluff

    Rumour has it. Stop me if this is old news.

  • March 26, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    The premise of action is emotional suspense

    by TheJudger

    If there are scenes of grand action. It is of the utmost important that it actually places the main characters in "true" peril. If it's not the characters, it must be something they are trying to preserve. If the action doesn't factor these elements into itself- it's just mindless fodder and visual flare. This type of action is not emotionally engaging. It only appeal is the spectacle, and visual allure it presents. Films are turning to this type of awe way too fucking much these days. It is exactly what frightens me about the new Superman. People say they don't want a superman lifts heavy things movie. OK I'm in the same boat with you guys. I hope superman is in many situations where his powers aren't enough to save those that he cares about, and I hope there's a lot of exposition to these "in peril" characters, causing the audience to be 100% invested in them when that peril comes. A good superman movie will involve him failing to fix things with his power alone. He can stop any one thing no matter what it is but he cant stop many bad things that happen at the same time. We have seen this play out before and he reversed time in a rather impossible way to fix it. Which was kinda fucking kooky. Next time something like this happens. I'd rather see him learn to accept it. People keep saying Superman's greatest weakness is Kryptonite, so that makes him boring. No Superman's greatest weakness is failure, and when he actually fails that make him very interesting.

  • March 26, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST

    20% at RT

    by Aquatarkusman

    And the three 'positive' reviews on the front page either sound like damning with faint praise or all-out passive-aggressive criticism. In short, did anybody actually like it?

  • March 26, 2011, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Seriously, What Passes for an Algorithm Over There?

    by Aquatarkusman

    "Sucker Punch rocks and rolls at blitzkrieg speed. It's what passes for plot that brings writer/director Zack Snyder's express to a screeching halt. This one barely passes." = Fresh.

  • March 26, 2011, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Actually, Snyder should've used Pixie's "Tame"...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ...he would've been dumb enough to stick it in there not realizing (clueless is a one word description for Hack Snyder) that the song would have been read as an ironic description of the lameness of the film as a whole.

  • March 26, 2011, 1 p.m. CST

    Guess I'll see it again when it's on TBS...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ...or in the $6.99 DVD bin at Walgreen's. BTW: Where to I apply to get my 109 minutes of life back?

  • March 26, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Is it worth seeing in IMAX? For the haters you just go on hatin!

  • March 26, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST


    by blakindigo

    If you go in ONLY for the action set-pieces, the visual flair and sound design, then IMAX is worth it. IMAX prices are very high so make sure you know EXACTLY what you're in for. If you look for Plot/Character Development abandon all hope ye who enter here.

  • March 26, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Good lord, Beaks' writing is dense.

    by Mostholy

    So much unnecessary verbiage. You have to wade through it with a machete. Anyways, SUCKER PUNCH pretty much explains why WATCHMEN turned out the way it did. Zack Snyder has a carte blanche project to do whatever he wants, and he and his fratboy writing parter decide to remake BRAZIL with hot chicks. He reminds of the white guys in Harold & Kumar -- "Dude, that's, like, so extreme!" And all the clockwork Nazis in the world can't hide all hollow and stale this film turned out to be. Although I concede that Oscar "Outlaaaaaaaaaaaaw" Isaac and Abbe Cornish were both better than the material.

  • March 26, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST

    sorry, Beaks. Dollhouse did this waaaayy better.

    by oisin5199

    If you really want to know what you're talking about, you have to see the ENTIRE SERIES to see where it wound up and what statement was being made about women as dolls and the consequences of that setup. This film just feels empty. Even the action sequences weren't that exciting. They looked cool but felt soulless. Not just because there was nothing to invest in, but because they were just missing any kind of emotional core. I kinda wish the film had been more like Moulin Rouge. That film got the point of the collage. I couldn't disagree more that Moulin Rouge was just a 'high energy melange' just for the sake of doing it. It had worlds more going on in it, and way more levels than Sucker Punch, which was trying really hard to be deep, but just wound up being as emotionally complex as a cheap videogame.

  • March 26, 2011, 2:39 p.m. CST

    what 'writhing' and 'gyrating' are you talking about?

    by oisin5199

    clearly, Beaks fell for the Babydoll 'dance' because he inserts these words when nothing of the kind ever happens onscreen. The most we get is a gentle sway.

  • March 26, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Thankfully I dont remember much of Watchmen

    by Shaner Jedi

    it's been scrubbed from my memory. So yeah, Hallelujah still intact.

  • Sucker Punch takes everything that I hold dear as a both a warrior and as a human man — working hard, contributing to society, not being an entitled cunt like it’s my job — and rapes it to death with a stiletto that costs more than my car. It is 109 minutes long, which means that I entered the theater in the bloom of youth and emerged with a family of field mice living in my long, white mustache. It’s a pity Sucker Punch isn’t a sequel, the number two would describe it in its totality, if you get my drift. Weak though the ordeal has left me, the film has considerably enlarged my turgid dream-life; it has broadened now to admit that scene in which I tell Mussolini, 'And what's more, you can't make a movie that anyone would watch. You old Duce, you.' You can see for yourself how flat that would leave him. Like all of Snyder’s films, Sucker Punch is muddled, derivative, his much-touted compassion strikes me as false (he makes his characters suffer in order to solicit your pity, his highly praised visual acumen — "rhythmic" and "evocative" are the tags that you see most often — comes only at the expense of precision, which is to say, of truth. It would have been more merciful for Snyder to have rented Baby Doll, Sweet Pea, Rocket and Blondie out to the Saw franchise, or to Rob Zombie, so we could watch them get shot in the head or skinned alive by Arkansas rednecks. Everything else in this deadly, brainless exercise in pointless tedium is dedicated to the screeching audacity of delusional self-importance that convinces people the whole world is waiting desperately to watch two hours of platform heels, preposterous clothes and disabused notions. It is to movies what fried dough is to nutrition.

  • March 26, 2011, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Is it too late to find another director for Superman?

    by Mandolorian

    I have to admit, I'm a bit nervous. The upside is that Snyders version may make Singers a "classic"!

  • March 26, 2011, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Snyder's Wall Street Journal interview

    by lv_426

    "... someone asked me, why did you dress the girls like that? And I said, I didn’t dress them that way, you did. That’s what pop culture demands, not me. And that’s fun for me — I love that when confronted with the exact formula that they request, they get all freaked out by it, because they’re like, “wait a minute – he’s right. I do like this, and maybe that’s my fault." Did Snyder just insult the audience that Sucker Punch is directly aimed at? So if we like the sight of scantily clad girls fighting fantastical characters, we should feel guilty about it and admit we are dirty horny bastards? That is the same mentality that the media likes to use to portray people who play violent games as degenerate pieces of shit. "Oh no, little Johnny Sixpack just played Grand Theft Auto. I hope he doesn't steal a car and mow down innocent pedestrians!" Plenty of people have played violent videogames and seen violent movies and then don't go on a shooting rampage in real life. What about actual porn? Sucker Punch is obviously tame compared to even the softest of soft core porn. I would wager that most of the people going to see Sucker Punch have seen some type of porn, probably even the youngest members of the audience. Does Snyder actually think that they will see his film and have some revelation that they are dirty dirty individuals because they find hot women attractive? WTF?

  • March 26, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Much oblissed sir. We're heading to the imax showing on your rec. also keeping in mind anton impressions and choppah's 2nd review. not the ones he wrote while obviously wasted. thanks!

  • Look at how well that turned out!

  • March 26, 2011, 7:20 p.m. CST


    by blakindigo

    The AICN staff can't dance. It's alright — neither can cat's or dead men.

  • March 26, 2011, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Haven't seen it yet but it seems like it

    by thecomedian

  • But since most of the viewing public and whiney geek audience aren't conspiracy nerds it's kind of lost to them the same way Eyes Wide Shut was to people who knew nothing of The Illuminati. It's a similar parallel to the problem Snyder had with non comic geek audiences knowing nothing about Watchmen.

  • March 26, 2011, 8:23 p.m. CST

    There was a movie about remote viewing that was interesting

    by lv_426

    Suspect Zero. Although, I suppose the remote viewing stuff was a separate project from MK Ultra.

  • March 26, 2011, 9:51 p.m. CST

    braindrain and choppah

    by MurderMostFowl

    Am I the only one who thinks they're like Bert and Ernie? I think you guys secretly love each other. one wants to share his paper clip collection while the other wants to share his rubber ducky.

  • March 26, 2011, 9:53 p.m. CST

    After a 2nd viewing...MINOR SPOILER

    by Carlos Salinas

    ...I discovered more than I did after the 1st viewing. I really listened to the opening monologue about "angels" and from then on it started to make sense. I wish I could say more without spoiling it but there were two scenes that gave me a whole different perspective on this movie. The scene where Sweet Pea is playing out the lobotomy onstage and the scene near the end with Babydoll and Sweet Pea. By the way, I wish they would have waited to cast the TV Wonder Woman until this came out because Abbie Cornish would have made a hell of a Wonder Woman. Also, nice effect with the mirrors in the dressing room with Sweet Pea, Rocket and Blondie.

  • March 26, 2011, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Where is my Mind

    by Seven_of_Borgnine

    I appreciate Fight Club, but Fight Club didn't deserve to ruin that song either.

  • March 26, 2011, 11:28 p.m. CST

    In this review, Mr. Beaks reviews his baggage...

    by tailhook

    cause he sure as hell didn't review the movie Zach Snyder made. I'm really miffed at how many people just completely lost their shit after watching the film. Its become clear to me Snyder hit one out of the park this time around. Give it a couple years and approach it without the baggage, then you'll understand it.

  • March 27, 2011, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Saw it...don't HATE it...

    by BlaGyver

    don't love it either. I'm kind of mixed. I went in expecting the biggest piece of shit ever. I was just kind of eh for most of the movie, but I actually really enjoyed the last 7 minutes or so. SPOILERS AHEAD I thought that Snyder, for the first time, exercised restraint when Babydoll told Sweet Pea to run for it. I was expecting a final action sequence and really wasn't feeling it. I was thrilled that it didn't come. From then on the ending was done pretty decently. I think the movie could have been pretty good if they had shown more scenes in actual reality that allowed, as Beaks mentioned, narrative connection between the girls. The guy that played Blue was a pretty solidly despicable villain. I'm gonna have to see it again to make up my mind entirely on how I feel about it. END SPOILERS Honestly, I was expecting to walk out halfway through. Everything considered, I don't want my money back and I don't wish I hadn't seen it.

  • March 27, 2011, 12:16 a.m. CST

    That said, anybody that hated it

    by BlaGyver

    I do understand why and before anybody calls me out on not hating the movie, I'll just say that it's fine. This isn't a movie I'm gonna get defensive over, not yet at least. I need to sit on this one for a while.

  • March 27, 2011, 12:45 a.m. CST


    by BlaGyver

    What halfbreed said.

  • March 27, 2011, 12:50 a.m. CST

    RE: Schloggs

    by BlaGyver

    That was well said. Honestly can't think of a better way to sum up Snyder's filmmaking or my (current) opinion on the movie.

  • March 27, 2011, 1:13 a.m. CST


    by cocolopez

    You and Snyder can talk all this gunk about how it is a reflection of our tastes and what not - but at the end of the day it's still a very unentertaining movie. I just got back from it- I was dying to see it- and it sucked. And if you're trying to tell me that it didn't feel sexy ON PURPOSE to try to stick it to the men we are which society created- then I'd like to be the first to punch this Snyder fucker in the eye and steal my money back. I paid $25 for two tickets just before. $25 bucks for a non-3D picture. Fuck you and fuck Snyder. The story sucked. The dialogue was shit. No emotional investment. The action scenes were cribbed off of every glossy modern action movie only without the threat of danger- and without soul or purpose. It's all bullshit. 300 and Watchmen were hyper-stylized too and none of that was some snide comment on our tastes and/or values. Snyder saying the chicks are how we want them to look because of society is the crap he tells his wife so she can sleep better without wondering why her husband is filming young girls with the main character Baby Doll looking like a pedophile's wet dream. It's all shit- and you ate it up Beaks- and then you try to spout it here like some College professor and just end up sounding like a real dick. Stay far away from this movie. I really appreciated the Dawn of the Dead remake, I was underwhelmed by 300- LOVED Watchmen and actually really enjoyed that owl shit when I watched it with the wife- but this was fucking horrible. I actually expected to see everyone walking out- and definitely considered doing it myself- maybe if the ticket wasn't so fucking expensive.

  • March 27, 2011, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Turned on by ass-kicking women?

    by Keith

    "I would argue that it's perfectly fine to be turned on by the sight of an ass-kicking woman (I mean, this is James Cameron's bread-and-butter)" What do you mean by "turned on"? I don't think many people are sexually aroused by Sarah Connor fighting the machines, or by Ripley holding her own against the xenomorphs. I like it, but I'm not titillated by it.

  • March 27, 2011, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Well, I really enjoyed it.

    by Anti-fanboy

    It's a little intentionally (I think), and unintentionally, muddled, story-wise; not sure how clear a director's cut will make things, but I'm thinking no one will ever justly label Snyder one of the deep cinematic intellects of the age... though he could probably teach some of those intellects a thing or two about directing action scenes. Damn, they were sweet. The performances were also excellent. I adored Jena Malone -- always had a thing for her soulful screen presence.

  • March 27, 2011, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Okay my take...SPOILER WARNING

    by Carlos Salinas

    The two scenes I mentioned in a previous post about seeing this from a different perspective after a 2nd viewing: In the "theater" just after the jump where Babydoll is just about to get the lobotomy, its Sweet Pea suddenly in the chair and she gets up and gives a little rant about the performance setup being titillating and commercial. She's wearing a "babydoll" wig and I think Sweet Pea and Babydoll are the same. Babydoll is an extention of herself. In other words, as the opening monologue mentions, Babydoll is Sweet Pea's angel coming to rescue her. I don't think it's meant to be clear what is real and what is reality, but I believe its Sweet Pea actually getting the lobotomy and Babydoll is her way to become "free." The 2nd scene I mentioned was at the end when Babydoll tells Sweet Pea that she, Babydoll, is the 5th thing. That this is was never her (Babydoll's) story but it's Sweet Pea's. In the end, the final scene with the "bus driver" is Sweet Pea lobotomized, but in "paradise". Check out the billboard as they drive off down the road: "Paradise Valley". I know, it's all ridiculous fanboy geek overreaching, reading to much into it but that's my take. Anyway, still thinking about it and I'd be interested to know if anyone else saw this.

  • March 27, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    3 for 3 because I didn't see DOTD or the owl movie. My gratitude to Anton for sharing his personal insight. Amidst this overwhelming wave of misguided and unwarranted (and for the most part uninformed) Snyder-bashing, his posts helped me go in with the proper frame of mind to appreciate this story. If you haven't seen SP yet, it would help tremendously to read Anton's take first. He really provides the proper reference to understand that, basically, you are witnessing, from beginning to end, a girl's fantasy used to survive her circumstance and cope with her inevitable fate. It's such a tragic tale. By the end, when Blue kisses her, I was the one feeling violated. But, thankfully by that time, she had already freed her soul from suffering that violation. Now, did the action scenes rock? This is Zack Snyder. Of course they rocked. My eyeballs were fucked deep and proper in IMAX. But, curiously, the lingering feeling after watching Sucker Punch is not the visceral experience of watching a loud, action movie. It is the haunting feeling of identifying with a victim of abuse. If you come out of the movie feeling the way I did, you'll understand truly why it's called Sucker Punch. Sure, it's at 19% on RT. But the audience rating is 65%. That just proves that Snyder has succeeded yet again. I have no doubt Superman will be a triumph.

  • March 27, 2011, 10:44 a.m. CST

    bringingsexyback —

    by blakindigo

    I need to see it again. I'm also a uncomfortable with this critical dismissal of the film. I think this is a truly polarizing movie. This movie is nowhere near the 'scorched earth abomination, spewed from the loins of lesser gods' that the critics are on about.

  • March 27, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST

    lame movie period

    by TheDudeinLA

    I can only imagine that the video game generation that knows nothing about story telling and everything about eye candy will be the only ones to enjoy in joyless monstrosity.

  • March 27, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST


    by tailhook

    I didn't view the fifth thing as being 'Baby Doll'. The fifth thing was sacrifice. Someone had to sacrifice so that another could escape. It was in her giving up herself up to her fate that she was able to help not only Sweet Pea, but ultimately herself to escape(hence why she smiled when she finally got the labotomy). And in doing so brought down the very place that subjugated and abused her and the others. It was a selfless act in pursuit of a selfish objective(to personally escape and save herself). The overall theme being that no matter how dire your situation, you can overcome it if you're willing to fight for and possibly ultimately sacrifice yourself to get out from under it. And if you are willing, help can come from the strangest of places and selfless acts from people you would never expect in a seemingly selfish world. The Sucker Punch really isn't to the audience, but those trapped in these hopeless situations and a way of getting them motivated to wake up and overcome their dilemmas. If they can do it, why can't you?

  • March 27, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST

    The more I think about this movie

    by BlaGyver

    The more I like it. Mrsalinas makes an interesting point, as does tailhook. I maintain that the last 7 minutes redeem the movie for me, it's a damn good ending.

  • March 27, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    @ mrsalinas

    by Dranem

    At first I thought Sweet Pea may be Baby Doll, too because of the Paradise billboard as well. I thought maybe she used Canon as a way to represent her sister that she shot accidently and changed the tragedy to a sacrifice so she could move on. But that line of thought takes it two steps too far. I think Snyder meant the insane asylum to be reality, and as mentioned at the end in one week she set fire to the place and helped a patient escape. So someone DID escape physically, not just mentally, and that person was Sweet Pea.

  • March 27, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST

    I think the critics are overreacting.

    by Anti-fanboy

    Mostly to some of the brutal moments towards the end. That stuff always jacks up mainstream critics. That gave them all the incentive they needed to take the obvious, superficial routes of dismal.

  • March 27, 2011, 1:49 p.m. CST

    mrsalinas, dranem

    by Anti-fanboy

    Just to add something -- remember how the doctor said she looked as though she wanted him to do it? Maybe she had found enough solace in Sweet Pea's escape that she felt some kind of atonement for not being able to save her little sister (nicknamed Sweet Pea?), and having achieved that, she just wanted out of her current situation? I think it's interesting that Snyder didn't show the mark, or any blood, from the procedure, and instead showed us the internal, transcended, unmarred Baby Doll.

  • March 27, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST

    dranem, tailhook & anti-fanboy

    by Carlos Salinas

    tailhook - I like what you said about the overall theme being sacrifice. That was the first thing that came to mind when Babydoll says she is the 5th thing and realizes this isn't about her, it's about saving Sweet Pea. dranem - To add to what you said, Madam Gorsky mentions the stabbing, the fire and escape, but not death of other patients, that tells me Blondie, Rocket and Amber were either not killed or didn't exist at all. anti-fanboy - Yes, interesting to me too about the puncture wound as that was the first thing I looked for on her face. I like to think she's in "Paradise". Really enjoy this discussion. I wish we could all sit around and have some drinks and talk about it in more detail. I'm sure there is going to be some real deep analysis on somebody's blog somewhere down the road. Someone on imdb gave a pretty nice one which explained much better than I ever could.

  • Mr. Beaks mannages the almost impossible, to sound snobish while talking about about dumb ass shitty movies. Crap dumb ass movie snobery, right here at AICN, cortesy of Mr. Beaks.

  • March 27, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    I really liked this movie

    by krabklaw

    Screw the haters and go see this totally unique movie if you like Zack Snyder's other movies. There's been some backlash to this one because it objectifies young women but I truthfully didn't find it offensive at all. It's just pussy critics writing what they see other pussy critics writing. This movie will find it's audience eventually and people will still be watching it 10 years from now unlike most of the other movies that will come out this year.

  • March 27, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Sucker Punch made the #2 spot...$19 million for the weekend

    by Billy_D_Williams


  • March 27, 2011, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Beaks, you pretentious numbskull...

    by BurnHollywood

    Has it crossed your mind that when a cartoonish action-fantasy actually gets you thinking about such things as female empowerment in a misogynistic, fanboy-dominated culture, then maybe the director/writer has succeeded on some deeper level, even if his choice of outcome isn't quite your cup of tea? I'd also love to hear more about how Snyder "travestyied" Cohen's Hallelujah...Night Owl's conquest of his impotency by again donning his cape and taking to the streets to fight crime is one of the most important plot points in the WATCHMEN story, illustrating the fetishistic empowerment that his costume bestows upon him...not exactly a trivial point in the movie to use such a powerful tune.

  • March 27, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Obviously word of mouth is spreading about the flick.

    by Orbots Commander

    These days, with everybody getting on their Android/iphones and shooting out texts, Facebook postings, and tweets about what they thought of the movie they just saw, it'll be difficult for studios to control a movie's buzz and perception.

  • March 27, 2011, 4:37 p.m. CST


    by BlaGyver

    I agree with the first paragraph of your post. The, I'll be the first to defend Watchmen, I very much enjoyed that flick, but that sex scene was one of the most uncomfortable two or three minutes I've ever sat through in a theatre. The song didn't help, and now every time I hear it that sex scene comes to mind. Ha, Mrsalinas, you best invite me to that discussion. My ego is has been fragile ever since I never got to go to a bar mitzvah in 7th grade.

  • March 27, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I would see this again in a heartbeat. And if the first showing didn't do it for you, I think the 2nd will. You guys talking about the ending ... really dig your interpretations. Here's a bit of my take. IRL, Babydoll helped a girl escape from the asylum. That girl in her fantasy world she calls Sweet Pea. You'll notice that not all of her fantasies go her way. There was failure along the way and she had to change course. I think IRL Babydoll tried to escape and her fantasies were a loose reinterpretation of what was going on for real. Ultimately she failed to escape herself but there must have been an opportunity to help the other girl out and that's what happened. Whatever sacrifice she made, it was real. Also, there's a chance that Babydoll was resigned to her fate/lobotomy out of guilt of killing her sister. Her helping Sweet Pea escape may have been for two reasons: (1) to redeem herself in some way (2) to disassociate herself from the asylum by identifying with Sweet Pea's freedom as somewhat her own. I'm not completely sure, though, who the real life counterpart to Scott Glenn was. My best guess is that is her real father?

  • Mr Beaks is an idiotic pretentous tool, but he was right to say that the use of Hallelulia in WATCHMEN was stupid. Very damn stupid. And there's plenty of bad movie that make us question the chauvinism in our culture. Even vad movies can make us think, even if that was not the inicial intention of the movie and the filmmakers. That's because we the audience don't need to be slavish to the ideas that the filmmakers present in their movies and thrown at us, you know? And no, Snyder is uncapable of complex metaphorical thinking and even irony (which is ironic in itself since he uses the word irony a lot to describe his own movie, which, ironically, has no irony in it). Snyder barely can form a cohoerent phrase, much less a though. His movies show it.

  • March 27, 2011, 4:45 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • March 27, 2011, 4:46 p.m. CST


    by BlaGyver

    While I do like to think that Sweet Pea escaping was in fact real life, Scott Glenn is what leads me to believe that it may have been, as suggested by others, Babydoll's way of being at peace. Seeing as how he was never shown as being a real character, it leads me to believe that it was just a "dream" at the end...which bums me out. Also, as much shit as Nordling got for giving this a positive review, he called it. Everyone that liked it LOVED it and is defending it pretty intensely. Everyone that hated it is shitting on it pretty hard. I feel like there's something to be said for a movie with that effect on its viewers.

  • March 27, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST


    by BlaGyver

    First off, good to have you back. While my overall opinion on Snyder differs from yours, I don't think that he necessarily deserves personal jabs (I know that's part of online culture, but nonetheless). I haven't seen a TON of interviews with him, but he's never come across to me as an asshole. He's never, from what I can tell, been like Uwe Boll and claimed that his work is absolute genius while it's pretty far from it. He just seems to me like a guy that has never had anything but the best intentions no matter how flawed the final product might be. He got a hit with 300 (not a huge fan of that movie but let's face it, it made bank) and now he's being handed the reins to some projects that are out of his league, like sticking a very good college baseball player into the tied 9th inning of the world series with the bases loaded and 2 outs. If the kid screws up, it's not so much his fault...he never really had a shot to begin with.

  • March 27, 2011, 4:58 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Yes, it's quite possible that Glenn was purely a figment of her imagination, with no real life counterpart. Glenn could also very well be a deliberately strong, protective, guiding male (father?) figure she conjured up for lack of having one in real life. That Glenn successfully gave shelter to the escaping Sweet Pea was, in Babydoll's mind (a mind she was about to lose), a triumph in itself. That, to me, means that Babydoll was able to taste and feel liberation. In her own way, she rendered herself immune to the effects of the lobotomy (by disassociating her self/soul/mind from her body rather than allowing the lobotomy to do it) and Blue's kiss (which on other days may have been full on rape in that chair). I really liked the fact that Gorski, despite being weak and threatened in Babydoll's fantasy, was ultimately strong in real life and the one who stopped Blue in the end.

  • March 27, 2011, 4:59 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack


  • March 27, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST


    by BlaGyver

    Agreed on Gorski. I think my only problem with her in the movie was that ultimately, the accent was kind of unnecessary. I get the vibe that he wanted to make Carla Gugino sort of exotic and exaggerated, much like some of the other characters in the movie, and maybe that would have worked in the first level of fantasy, but you don't need an accent to make her alluring...she's Carla Fucking Gugino.

  • March 27, 2011, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Also, BSB

    by BlaGyver

    It's always a pleasure reading you're posts (even when I disagree with you), you're one of the guys on here that's always capable of calm and intelligent debate. There's a lot of obnoxious trolls on this site and I make a point to tip my hat to the more levelheaded guys on the TBs.

  • Ladies and gentlemen: SUCKER PUNCH. The good: Hawt chicks and cool video game cut scene sequences. The bad: Everything else. The ugly: The creepy misogyny pretending to be empowerment. I'm surprised nobody brought up Pan's Labyrinth or Brazil -- they seem to be closer to what he was shooting for... and missing... by about a hundred thousand light years.

  • March 27, 2011, 5:10 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Snyder doesn't come as an asshole in interviews, you are right. but he always comes across as an idiot, and as incredibly uncultured and unedicated. Always trying to present himself as smarter then he is and always failing miserably at that. Snyder is nopt an idiot because i don't like his movies, he's an idiot because he is an idiot. He's a glorified seciond unit director who, maybe because of black magic arts and blackmail, became a director. Becasue only magic or blackmail can explain why such an idiotic limited tool like Snyder could became a major director and holywood player. But then again, that's Holywood, the place that also has such shits as Michael Bay running about unchecked. And thanks for the nice welcome words, friend. I really appreciate it.

  • March 27, 2011, 5:11 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    There's things about SUCKER PUNCH that i'll only know if i saw it. There's a lot of things about it i can know even before watching it, thanks to then fact that i know who the fuck directed it.

  • March 27, 2011, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Um, asimovlives, you realize the song's ABOUT fucking, right?

    by BurnHollywood

    Or at least the kind of woman who fucks so well that intellect and rationality go out the window when you enter her temple to "worship", even with the knowledge that it can't end well? That interpretation, combined with Night Owl being "born again" between the Silk Spectre's thighs, made it oddly appropriate, even if the theme wasn't a perfect match.

  • All you think that SUCKER PUNCH delivers a punch, try watch CASSHERN and then we talk.

  • March 27, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST

    More and more SUCKER PUNCH looks like a CASSHERN for idiots.

    by AsimovLives

  • March 27, 2011, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Asi, agreed on Casshern.

    by BlaGyver

    I'm gonna have to rewatch that within the next couple of days. It also got me in the mood for Paprika (the movie, not the spice...though I am a fan of the spice).

  • March 27, 2011, 5:23 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Thank you, sir, and same to you. I appreciate your contributions greatly. For me, Sucker Punch earned so much respect (again, thanks in no small part to Anton's posts preparing me for it). Very glad it's making so many people think through it's complex layers.

  • March 27, 2011, 5:25 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    We wouldn't have it any other way. Bash on.

  • March 27, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST


    by Billy_D_Williams

    dead on about just baffled by all the love this man gets. Hack with a capital "H". but the decades of bad movies have conditioned people to see a pile of shit and think its gold. his movies suck and im glad karma is saving the day. i hope Superman bombs too so he can go shoot porn where his masturbatory "style" would be more appropriate

  • March 27, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Sidenote: Anybody see the VCU-Kansas game?

    by BlaGyver

    So proud right now.

  • March 27, 2011, 5:41 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Are you mistaking Leonard Cohen's HALLELULIA with Nick Cave's INTO MY ARMS, perchance?

  • March 27, 2011, 5:43 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    glad to see anotehr fan of CASSHERN. Now that's a movie which, beyond the comic book visuals, it doe shave soemthign to say about, and does so with subtlery, which is suprising to see inbetween all the manga action stravaganza. CASSHERN, now that's a really multilayered movie which doesn't play it safe or straigh.

  • March 27, 2011, 5:45 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Snyder is the kind of director who should had never left the music videos business. Had he stayed there, he could be hailed as visionary and a big talent to respect. But sadly that didn't happened. David Fincher he isn't.

  • March 27, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Snyder came from music videos???

    by Billy_D_Williams

    I did not know that. Now it all makes sense.

  • March 27, 2011, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Okay, I'll briefly explain 300 and SUCKER PUNCH to you Snyder haters...

    by BurnHollywood

    ...Even if it's a wasted effort: 300 is about an actual historical event being elevated to myth, and how those mythic proportions must have played out in the minds of ancient peoples upon hearing it, complete with all the ludicrous machismo and homoerotic undertones that result. Frank Miller's made a career out of that sort of over-the-top machismo, and Snyder perfectly understood that approach when he adapted it to screen. It looks ridiculous and gay, and gloriously, it's all on purpose. SUCKER PUNCH takes a similar approach, but it's not about's about sacrifice. None of what's on the screen (with the possible exception of the bus station sequence at the end) actually takes place. It's all about how Sweet Pea has chosen to remember Baby Doll's sacrifice to free her from the insane asylum, elevating her to Joan Of Arc heroics and martyrdom, and even weaving the kindly driver's persona into her recollection as a wizened mentor to her heroine, complete with mystical Macguffin's (key, knife, fire, map) that, in reality, aided them in constructing her escape. I got it, it moved me (actually got a little choked up with the bus station scene, where the elementary and unexpected misdirection by Glenn saves Sweet Pea from the authorities, Obi-Wan style) and I don't really give a shit who didn' Verhoeven before him, I think Snyder's a little deeper than he's getting credit for.

  • March 27, 2011, 5:59 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    The old excuse of 300 being an historical event told as an epic by a narrator in the eve of a battle to rally troops moral was the idea i had for the movie and my way to justify the move's theatrical nature. So, basically i went to the movie with an opne mind and even ready to like and excuse it. and the movie threw all that to the floor. Because the movie fucks up that premise. Becasue there's shit in the movie in which, IN-UNIVERSE, even if it was a told story, couldn't be there at all. How the fuck could a 5th century BC provincial spartan even conceive of such things as rhinos, war elephants, and LOTR's trolls and orcs? Read the narrative about the persian wars told by the greeks, adn never once did they portaited the persians as anything other then human beings. Normal human beings. The "300 is the battle of thermopylae mytholized" is just bulshit, because the movieis an account from a guy who was ther,e and not some guy telling the story centuries after from just say so, like how it happened with Homer and the war of troy or oddysseus' travels. So, your appologetic argumentation holds no water. 300 is just a pile of bullshit made withoput rhyme or reason by an idiot who though throwing any shit he could pull out of his ass would be "teh kewlz". Which isn't. I went to that movie ready to like it, i came out of it feeling i had been tricked to watch a fucking michael bay fucking movie. That's how bad 300 is, michael bay bad. The theatricality of the movie is not the problem, the stupidity on display is.

  • March 27, 2011, 6:01 p.m. CST


    by Billy_D_Williams

    it doesnt matter what a movie is "about"...if it sucks, it sucks...intention doesnt mean shit. its all in the execution, and it either works or it doesnt. Snyders movies do not work because he's a terrible filmmaker.

  • March 27, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST


    by Billy_D_Williams

    and please dont insult Verhoven by comparing him to that glorified second unit director Snyder.

  • March 27, 2011, 6:14 p.m. CST

    blagyver halfbreedqueen CASSHERN challenge

    by Carlos Salinas

    blagyver - First round is on me! halfbreedqueen - Thanks for the feedback. Nice to know I'm not completely out of my gourd. As for this CASSHERN mentioned by the peanut gallery, I take the challenge and I will check it out to see how it compares to Sucker Punch (in my opinion), but most likely my thoughts will be posted on my twitter feed. It just better not be in subtitles because I'm an idiot and I don't like to read! Ha. Twitter: @Mr_Salinas

  • March 27, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Just saw it at the IMAX here in Toronto

    by Juggernaut125

    <p>BIG BIG SPOILERS.</p> <p></p> <p>And although I can acknowledge and accept the opinions of the people here, and Beaks and Nordling who all appreciated and enjoyed the movie so much, I felt that as a whole and complete film, it just did not work and the movie suffers for it.</p> <p>Snyder's affections for slo-mo/emo camera work aside, my biggest complaint with the film would be it's heavy handed repetitive way of spoon feeding the audience the beats of the story. See the map on the wall? See it? Well Babydoll you're going to need a map. Hey guys, I need a map. Well hey! There's a map on the wall in the office! Remember the map? No? Here it is! And so on and so on.</p> <p>Babydoll can mesmorize the audience with her dancing. First the music starts, then she sways a little, then she closes her eyes, and when she opens them she finds herself in a new location ready to perform some kick-ass task. Task completed, it's time to move on to the new mission. But wait, don't go there yet. First the music has to start. Then we need to see her sway a little and then we have to see her close her eyes, then wait for it... Yes. Here we are ready for the next truly supercool adventure.</p> <p>And the dance. Is it some sort of inside joke? Like the glowing briefcase in Pulp Fiction? We get to hear about it, and it is a key element in all of the "plans" (a map, fire, a knife, a key and a hint of garlic are not a plan or a recipe, they are just ingredients) but for me, it felt like Snyder just didn't have the balls to show the audience a dance that would take your breath away (probably because it's such a stupid idea). It became laughable. And yes. I know that the high-octane adventures were 'representative metaphors' of her dance, but the beginning and ending of every quest was just her... swaying.</p> <p>All that being said, I can see where many of you who enjoyed the movie are coming from. And I like the interpretation that Babydoll is Sweet Pea's angel and her way of coping/escaping, I just think Snyder managed to George Lucas the whole thing by letting his cool fantasies and effects drive the story instead of a tighter/well edited script.</p> <p>End Spoiler</p>

  • March 27, 2011, 6:17 p.m. CST


    by BlaGyver

    I'm bout to follow you, looking forward to your opinion on it. Casshern is a great flick.

  • March 27, 2011, 10:08 p.m. CST

    never cater to geeks

    by Ye Not Guilty

    For whatever reason, geeks always reject anything specifically made to appeal to them.

  • All of the action scenes were quite a lot of fun. He should have just made a straight-up fantasy/sci-fi action movie, played to his strengths, and left the psychological pretensions and audience indictment to artists who know how to handle that kind of material. It was like he didn't have to courage to be who he is -- an action film director with a good eye for visuals -- and instead he tried to do something he's completely incapable of doing. He's not Del Toro or Haneke, he's Bay-With-Half-A-Brain. Sounds like someone did so much coke, they actually started to believe the completely baseless "visionary" hype.

  • March 28, 2011, 10:05 a.m. CST


    by Seven_of_Borgnine

    The giant samurai monster is Brazil reference (the minigun was just Snyder's little "improvement" to it). Also the retreating into one's mind in the last moments before its destruction as a form of escape seems to be a Brazil reference. References to good movies doesn't make this mess any better though.

  • March 28, 2011, 10:34 a.m. CST

    'Caca Punch' as I like to call it

    by Dyslexic Palindrome

    Is a terrible movie. I know that's just my opinion. All these people giving poor work an excuse by citing the 'hidden meaning' behind it are just feeding the hollywood crap machine. If you open up your front door and there's a piece of crap on you stoop, do you try get rid of it, or do you say "Wait...let's just leave it there for when visitors stop by. It will make a great conversation piece." Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

  • March 28, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Its a stupid fun movie to see

    by leo54304

    As someone posted earlier: enjoy the action sequence ignore the rest. Walked out after the movie feeling I got my moneys worth for what I was expecting. I've also now added lobotomies to cringe worthy moments of my movie memories along with hillbillies raping ol Ned Beatty(Deliverance).

  • March 28, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST


    by BurnHollywood

    "How the fuck could a 5th century BC provincial spartan even conceive of such things as rhinos, war elephants, and LOTR's trolls and orcs?" So, I have you on record asserting that the Greeks were completely unfamiliar with rhinos and elephants, and that a culture that gave us a nightmarish creature like the Cyclops couldn't imagine something akin to an orc? But that's completely beside the point and you know it...Snyder was faithful to the Miller source material in exaggerating the situation to epic proportions, down to actually re-enacting a number of the graphic novel's panels on-screen (a trick he repeated with WATCHMEN). If you have a problem with the movie, it's because you have a problem with Frank Miller, which is a whole other topic. In any case, an adaptation of a comic novel is not exactly without "rhyme or reason". (But something tells me you never even bothered to pick up the Miller graphic novel...)

  • March 28, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST


    by BurnHollywood

    "And the dance. Is it some sort of inside joke?" Yup, sure is, and I thought this was a particularly clever poke at the fanboy audience that might have showed up for the film... See, Sweet Pea has chosen to remember Baby Doll's escape as a sort of glamorous adventure in a bordello (in reality, it was sneaky and brutal...she stole the asylum's map, stabbed a guard to get the key, then set a fire as a distraction), so *she* looks upon the acquisition of the necessary items in a romanticized, feminine manner...a Mata Hari-style dance that took men's breath away. But this is a movie clearly made for guys, down to the female principles wearing fetishistic outfits, so there's no dancing on display. Instead, the power to dazzle men is translated into *physical* power, the approach Snyder knows best. It's a sly trick, similar to the revelation that we've been cheering for the wrong side in Verhoeven's STARSHIP TROOPERS...

  • March 28, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I don't know if SP was directed solely at guys. My wife really dug it. She loves Tomb Raider and Bayonetta. Sexy and hyper-empowered chicks. Snyder definitely understands today's woman a lot better than he gets credit for. I mean, look at Queen Gorgo alone. I know he didn't create her character but she showed just as much fortitude as Leonidas did, in her own way. I suspect Sucker Punch will find a greater audience amongst the female populace in time and on DVD.

  • March 28, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST


    by tailhook

    If you think this is a movie made for guys, you didn't really understand it at all. The reason people are slagging off on it like its Battlefield Earth, is that it wasn't. They went in expecting some type of Matrix, and instead were given a chick flick. Open fire. From top to bottom, this was designed expressly with the females in mind, from the ass-kicking cast to the overall theme. I'm also not one of those that subscribes to the whole Sweet Pea retcon that people are trying to foist on it. The entire movie, excepting one scene, is fairly linear in its structure and simply tells the story of the escape, and does so in a highly stylized way through abstraction. Its not some 'rememberance', or whatever you want to call it. Thats not to say it doesn't have its issues. Particularly Rocket and what exactly happened to her. But overall the movie is a rather straightforward endeavor all the way down to what it was trying to say. That undersexed males expecting a movie made for them cannot understand it, isn't surprising.

  • March 28, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    "So, I have you on record asserting that the Greeks were completely unfamiliar with rhinos and elephants" Spartan greeks? YOU BET YOUR ASS they werren0't familiar with war elephants and most specially RHINOS, which are indigenous animals from far away Africa or India. Not even Alexander The Great saw rhinos, and the duide went futher away from Greece then any other greek ever had. And no, the persians didn't used eelphants to invade greece because THEY WEREN'T FUCKING STUPID! As for the "but he was being faithful to Frank Miler's comic", i wipe my ass on that excuse. How many movies, even good movies, depart from the sourse so that a more coherent movie can be made? And on the things that Zacky The Hacky Snydery could had improved and departed form the comic, he decided to remain faithful on the most idiotic shit in the comic? I mean, he decides to put some bulslhit crap about Queen Gorgon, shit that advances the story absolutly nothing at all, but decides to remain faithful on the bullshit that Miller pulled out of his ass for the battle of thermopylae? What kind of a fucking moron is Snyder? What incredible lack of judgement this assclown has! 300 is a movie made by a moron. An ignorant stupid idiotic moron who has no concept of what to rmeain faithful and what to depart when making a film adaptation. Snyder could had a chance to elevate the materiall and instead he invents crap that's not need and stick to the stupidiest parts of the comic like it's the fucking bible. Give me a break!

  • March 28, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Too bad that the stupid bullshit that Snyder invented for Queen Gorgon in 300 never happened in real life. That shit he created for Queen Gorgon is as close to truth as the war rhinos he put at the battle of thermopylae. My favorite part of the 300 bullshit movie? All this posture of how the Spartans, who are treated as if they are americans avant la lettre in the film, as soon the eprsian wars ended, they sold their asses to the persians and got their money to finance their war agaisnt the other greeks, because what spartans desired above all else was to rule above all other greeks and enslave them, which for the other greeks was pure abomination. Zack Snyder can get fucked in his ass! He and his abhorent fucking stupid ass movie 300 should get shot in their cunts!

  • March 28, 2011, 4 p.m. CST

    One question about SUCEKR PUNCH:

    by AsimovLives

    If the movie is really set in the 1950s, and the 1950s period is not jsut another one of the girl's allucinations, when i ask you this: how could the girls have dreamed of the modern light weaponry they use in the movie? I can almost excuse the giant samurai robots and the WWI war set and the dragons, because that's stuff that somebody in the 1950s could had imagined. not a 1950s girl, but whatever. But i want to ask this: how could a girl form the 1950s dream of a 1990s developed CAR assault rifle? Where in the fuck can that even be excused even in a dream world of a girl in 19fucking50s? Hem? What's the smart-ass defense to that? I mean, Jesus, would had it been too hard to remain coherent with the period and have the girls use WWII weaponry? WWII war movies were all the rage in the 1950s, for christ's sakes!!

  • March 28, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Scene from Zack Snyder's office, circa 2009:

    by AsimovLives

    Snyder: "Like, dude, in their dream world, the girls will use awesome assault weapons, like CARs and M-16s. Girls with guns, how cool is that?" Studio executive: "But this film is set in the 1950sm, correct? So how could they dram up modern day assault rifles? Wouldn't be be more coherent to the period? They could have those greese guns from WWII." Snyder: "But dude, modern rifles are teh rulez!! They are so kewl!!"

  • March 28, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Asi, what about the sexy costumes the girls wear?


    None of that existed in the 50s.

  • March 28, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Bikini waxes didn't exist before the 90s let alone in the 50s


  • March 28, 2011, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Who cares?

    by tailhook

    Its a fictional tale dumbasses, not a god damned history lesson. I mean, heck, mechbunnies, dragons, and supertech trains don't exist either.. but someone thunk um up.

  • March 28, 2011, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Whats kinda sad...

    by tailhook

    is how little imagination most people have these days. Everything has to be ultra-realistic and shit and follow X, Y, and Z path OR ITS WRONG DAMMIT. What happened to the good old days where we realized storytelling often had very little to do with reality and nitpicking it on those merits was done only by the idiotic and infirm.

  • March 28, 2011, 9:52 p.m. CST



    Anybody who comes to this site is supposedly a film geek. How anyone can consider themselves as such, and not love "Sucker Punch boggles the mind. Honestly, what's not to love? Any one of the short fantasy sequences has more action, better special effects, and cooler moves than any other fantasy movie does IN IT'S ENTIRETY, EVER. All of you fake ass, impostor "geeks" who are bashing this film should be ashamed of yourselves. This movie represents everything you have ever asked for, or wanted to see. And it is absolutely incredible.

  • Empowering? You're joking right? It's one of the most unconsciously misogynistic movies I have ever seen in my entire life. And it's WHOLLY male-centered. Which is "fine", I guess, I mean, I love exploitation movies too, and hawt chicks and all that, but there's remotely empowering to women about this movie. Nothing. I mean, it basically says that women can only overcome adversity through dreams (and therefore, not overcome them at all) and/or the obliteration of their consciousness through a lobotomy. If that's your idea of empowering, I tremble at what your idea of what exploiting must be.

  • March 29, 2011, 9:42 a.m. CST


    by NeonFrisbee

  • March 29, 2011, 10:11 a.m. CST

    LMMFAO@This thread.

    by Stalkeye

    Somebody should put these two fuckers on tour (Choppah and Braindrain(ed)) oh man, the gloves have come off between you two when exchanging barbs. You know it's funny when Ryan is actually making a few comebacks here and there. Now go back to your corners, boys and prepare for round 15?

  • March 29, 2011, 10:14 a.m. CST

    I liked this movie when it was called: Assault Girls

    by Stalkeye

    A Japanese film with a somewhat simular concept (produced and shown in theaters way before SP) but with the noted omission of some chick imagining scenarios. Zac dropped the ball on this one.

  • March 29, 2011, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Good Zac interpetation Asi

    by Stalkeye

    Your skit sounds almost familiar to the one I did of Peter David/Marvel. (A few weeks back.) But yeah, it sounds like that's exactly what happened at Snyder's office. Good one, ol Chap.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I don't know if anyone has considered this yet. If someone already proposed this then sorrys. Some have wondered what happened to Rocket, because in the immediate fantasy, she was killed, but not so in real life. Here is my theory: She was raped by the chef (who had already tried to rape her before but was stopped by Baby Doll). Rocket was killed in the second level fantasy on the train with the bomb. They were fighting the robots onboard and trying to prevent the train from reaching the city and detonating. I mean, all the symbolism for rape is right there. The phallic train, robots as sperm, the failure to stop the explosion/orgasm ... amirite? So the chef did rape Rocket, and Baby Doll reacted with sadness and tears.

  • March 29, 2011, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Whatever, asimovlives...

    by BurnHollywood

    But your endless dismissal of every director who didn't make a movie that exactly matches your tastes as an "idiot" is getting a little old. Joss Whedon isn't my cup of tea, but I'm not going to pointlessly (and endlessly) argue with the legions of Buffy fans and Browncoats... Truth be told, I don't think you really like genre flicks at all...given your obsession with Greeks and elephants, the slightest addition of verisimilitude to a situation is enough to have you frothing at the mouth in rage.

  • March 30, 2011, 9:20 a.m. CST

    I still love this TB

    by BlaGyver

    That is all.

  • March 30, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST


    by BurnHollywood

    Whoa. And here I was thinking that I was going to blow everybody's mind by suggesting that all five girls were (as Snyder hinted in an interview) simply elements of the same person. If Snyder's operating on that level of symbolism, I'm going beyond Verhoeven to proclaim him the new David Lynch...