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THE APES Will RISE Sooner Than Expected!!

Published at:  Mar 23, 2011 11:05:41 AM CDT

Merrick here...

Fox is pulling RISE OF THE APES - essentially a reimagined "origin story" for its fabled PLANET OF THE APES pictures -  from its previously scheduled November release date and is now installing it into a late Summer slot  (August 5, to be exact).  

In its new date, "Apes" will go up against three other wide releases, including Sony's toon hybrid "The Smurfs," Universal's Jason Bateman-Ryan Reynolds comedy "The Change-Up" and 3D sci-fi thriller "The Darkest Hour," from Summit.

...says THIS piece in Variety.  

I love, love, love the original PLANET OF THE APES films (PLANET OF THE APES, BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES, ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES, CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES, BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES) and loathe, loathe, loathe Tim Burton's subsequent loud, heartless, over-produced reworking.  That film didn't play well because it relied upon the gimmick of the PLANET OF THE APES films, while neither understanding or embracing the cultural subtexts and  socio-political heart which drove them.  PLANET OF THE APES without relevant societal observation is utterly laughable and completely pointless, and I truly hope the same mistakes won't be made in RISE.  Although I suspect they will be, as precious few mainstream Science Fiction movies these days are bold enough to (or are allowed to) be about to be about anything meaningful (Neill Blomkamp being an apparent exception, with arguably Duncan Jones and very few others bringing up the rear).  

If you like the original PLANET OF THE APES films, or even if you only find them "interesting", you might enjoy THIS book - PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED.  It's thorough-but-breezy, and chronicles the pre-production, production, post-production, and release of all five films in the original APES movie series.  The book reveals the original (and quite provocative and daring) concept for the final film in the series (BATTLE FOR...) - much of which wasn't advanced in the final product - and provides insight and anecdotes into the making of each film (loved the tales of James Fransiscus disapproving of the script for BENEATH so fervently that he and a writing partner re-worked the entire screenplay over a weekend; it's not clear how much of their material was ultimately adopted).  It's a quick read and you'll learn a lot - check it out.  

 

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  • Mar 23, 2011 11:07:31 AM CDT

    Elizabeth Taylor: 1932-2011

    by mattforce7

    http://www.imdb.com/news/ni8862843/

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  • Mar 23, 2011 11:07:49 AM CDT

    Sooo

    by luke_lymon

    haven't they figured out how to make an original Apes movie?

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  • Mar 23, 2011 11:08:32 AM CDT

    QUIT PICKING ON BURTON'S POTA!!!

    by nasty in the pasty

    It's seriously NOT that bad (Mark Wahlberg aside).

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  • Mar 23, 2011 11:12:15 AM CDT

    Burton = trash

    by oriongods

  • Mar 23, 2011 11:13:37 AM CDT

    So does that mean they've already shot it?

    by big jim

    I guess I haven't really been paying attention as this is the first time I've noticed a story about this actually being a reality not a rumour.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 11:17:13 AM CDT

    Ape does not exist in this dojo

    by cobra--kai

    POTA = POS

    Burton's one that is.

    I quite liked the second Apes movie actually. The climax when the lead guy meets up with Heston's character from the first movie and together take on the crazed nuke-worshipping humans is pretty f'ing cool.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 11:21:15 AM CDT

    The Apes Will Suuuuuuck!

    by the_choppah

  • Mar 23, 2011 11:22:36 AM CDT

    Rise of the smurfs

    by menacingphantom

    Imagine how much better that movie would be. Maybe they should cut their losses and combine them

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2011 11:27:35 AM CDT

    "TAKE YOUR STINKING PAWS OFF ME, YOU DAMNED DIRTY APE!"

    by drmorbius

  • Mar 23, 2011 11:28:48 AM CDT

    God damn you all to helllllllllllllllllll!!!!!!

    by dark knight lite

    Apes 1, 2, 3, & 4 RULE.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2011 11:29:32 AM CDT

    Can I play the piano?

    by the_choppah

    Of course you can!

    Well, I couldn't before!

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  • Mar 23, 2011 11:30:20 AM CDT

    Awesome

    by hank_chinaski


    I fucking LOVE the Planet of the Apes series. Great, Great Science Fiction. The whole series is so bleak when you look at it. Totally excited for this. My only concern is the fact that their doing the Ape effects via CGI. As a fan, I love the physical makeup effects. So I hope this bringing up the release dates doesn't affect the CGI too bad.


    The best thing about the Tim Burton one was the makeup. But yeah, completely soulless, without a hint of real social-political commentary and subtext that made the original series so great.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 11:31:21 AM CDT

    I hate every ape I see, from chimpan-A to chimpan-Z.

    by the_choppah

    No, you'll never make a monkey out of me!

    Oh my GOD -- I was wrong!

    It was EARTH -- all along!

    Well I guess you finally made a monkey --

    (Yes, we finally made a monkey --)

    Yes, you finally made a mon-key ouuuut of meeeeee!!!!!



    I LOVE YOU, DOCTOR ZAIUS!!!

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  • Mar 23, 2011 11:31:22 AM CDT

    This will bomb harder than 'Mars Needs Moms'

    by smokingrobot

    You heard it here first.

    Reply to Talkback

  • The original is like a good long-form episode of the Twilight Zone. It wasn't something that I felt needed revisiting over and over.

    For those that love it, though, more power to you. Hopefully this will recapture the magic for you.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 11:33:39 AM CDT

    arkhaminmate001

    by the_choppah

    Yes, we need some more falls around here.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 11:33:40 AM CDT

    Said the alien

    by ultratron

  • Mar 23, 2011 11:34:44 AM CDT

    Couldn't agree more . . .

    by thall_joben

    The original movies were amazing - the Burton version was dreadful. The guy is so over-rated. Soon as I saw his sketch for the helmets made from a huge spiral I knew it would be shit.

    I realy hope this version has some teeth, nothing would make me happier than a great apes movie that spawns a dozen brilliant sequels.

    Should have got Dave Elsey and Rick Baker to do it with make-up though, the jury's out about cgi apes.

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  • Dr. Zaius / Dr. Zaius

    Dr. Zaius / Dr. Zaius

    Dr. Zaius / Dr. Zaius

    Ohhhhh, Dr. Zaius

    Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius!

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2011 11:40:36 AM CDT

    So like. Everything is getting canceled and changed

    by ultratron

    because it all sucks. It's like they have been on milksuck/re-hash machine so long it's starting to break down and they don't know what to do. Well let's try shuffling the shitstains around

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  • Mar 23, 2011 11:44:30 AM CDT

    Tim Burtons ending was fantastic

    by drunkenmonkey73

    But that's all, those damn dirty apes.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 11:44:52 AM CDT

    I agree, Merrick...

    by kidicarus

    What made Planet of the Apes so special was the biting social commentary and lashing out against rigid thinking. "Flight is impossible!" (Builds paper airplane, flies it)

    What social dynamic would we exploit in this new one? The internet as witness? Environmental destruction and species extinction? Do the superintelligent lab apes see humankind as a threat to all species, and step up as protectors of the planet to eliminate that threat?

    Revisiting the movie, you can see how the Animatrix segment about the beginnings of the machine rebellion borrows heavily from POTA.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 11:49:04 AM CDT

    Marky Mark and the Monkey Bunch

    by kiwicanuck

    Agreed on the worthlessness of the sequel - devoid of any depth or soul - much like just about any Burton production since Edward Scissorhands.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2011 11:54:26 AM CDT

    Fox = No

    by nightarrows

  • Mar 23, 2011 12:01:18 PM CDT

    What is up with all this "rising?"

    by astronut

    Terminator 3 Rise of the Machines, Dark Knight Rises, Rise of the Apes...

    Must be trending.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 12:04:12 PM CDT

    Cos a Summer release worked so well for the last one.

    by venvariants

    I'm sure it is a fine film, if they suddenly have faith it can compete...that is a good sign.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 12:06:48 PM CDT

    Oh, and I almost forgot...

    by astronut

    GI Joe: Rise of the Cobra.

    Rise, rise, rise. All this rising.

    Reply to Talkback

  • I want to see this fight play out on the streets, opposable thumbed mano a opposable thumb mano.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2011 12:08:13 PM CDT

    THE CHOPPAH ALSO RISES.

    by the_choppah

  • Mar 23, 2011 12:08:49 PM CDT

    Why No Fan Film?

    by hatter76

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic8Zo7EBQGk

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2011 12:15:21 PM CDT

    Choppah and Nasty:

    by writefortheedit

    Bless you.

    "It's the role I was born to play, baby!"

    Reply to Talkback

  • RIP Troy McClure!

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2011 12:16:03 PM CDT

    Oh no; I was wrong... It was Earth, all a-long...

    by prestigeworldwide

  • Mar 23, 2011 12:16:13 PM CDT

    I was kind of psyched for this movie until the Oscars...

    by writefortheedit

    Fucking Franco, man, fuck you for not even trying.

    That's just unprofessional, man.

    Reply to Talkback

  • "T.V. Carpio stepped in to replace another actress injured in Broadway's troubled "Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark." She has now herself been sidelined after an accident."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/22/another-injury-rocks-spid_n_839282.html

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  • Mar 23, 2011 12:17:03 PM CDT

    I LOVE YOU, DR. ZAIUS!!!

    by prestigeworldwide

  • Mar 23, 2011 12:17:20 PM CDT

    no subject

    by cobra--kai

    Choppah, I too would be intrigued to see some 'man vs monkey violence.

    Put a regular guy in a cage fight with a psyched up chimp and I think they'd have a chance. Ditto for orangutan. However, taking on a gorilla would be tantamount to suicide...

    Note to movie makers: pls try to include a cage fight section in your movie, featuring escalating tough species of monkey vs man. Cheers.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 12:18:05 PM CDT

    Burton's POTA wasn't COMPLETELY horrible.

    by writefortheedit

    Paul Giamatti and Charlton Heston. 'Nuff said.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 12:19:20 PM CDT

    Slam It In The Apes

    by writefortheedit

    Porn movie parody, please.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 12:19:37 PM CDT

    Burton's POTA - Helena Bonham Carter never looked better

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    No seriously, she looked better as a chimp than she does in real life. Rick Baker's work was the only good thing about the remake. The culmination of his entire career, really, even taking Gorillas In The Mist in account.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Phil, we still miss you. Very much.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 12:22:54 PM CDT

    NOBODY CARES!!!

    by thecat7225

    Really. It was like a decent Sci-Fi franchise in the 30+ years ago. I'm 38 and to my best recollection, I saw all the Apes movies when I was a kid on cable tv.

    What we really need is more socio-political themes in our movies. Theres not enough of that going around.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 12:23:10 PM CDT

    Choppah

    by writefortheedit

    That would be Furious George.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2011 12:25:03 PM CDT

    This is George...

    by the_choppah

    George was an angry little monkey, and always veeery furious!

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  • Mar 23, 2011 12:30:02 PM CDT

    Monkey see....monkey doo....

    by kermit_the_fraud

    monkey fling doo.

    Aaaaaaand.......scene.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 12:33:32 PM CDT

    I'm sorry

    by lecter1914

    I actually rather liked the Burton version. I know thats heresy around here but I enjoyed it. The makeup was amazing, and if you can't see that I feel sorry for you. But it DID have social commentary. I don't know, maybe it hit me harder because I'm a minority and I saw a lot of things in it that seemed like commentary on race. It was little things like all the dumb but big and angry super religious apes being jet black that struck me as poking fun of stereotypes while simultaneously perpetrating them. However, the "climactic" battle sequence at the end was very much a let down.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 12:44:34 PM CDT

    No Liz Taylor obituary, I see...

    by ragingfluff

    Or is Harry still working on it? "Her delicious orbs filled many a teenage fantasy of mine."

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2011 12:46:44 PM CDT

    An Elizabeth Taylor obit....

    by bobo_vision

    ...so that people who never knew her can post their artificial feelings about her. Can't wait.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Or a chimp that shits on a Ronnie Reagan bust?

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  • Mar 23, 2011 12:49:36 PM CDT

    Liz Taylor was a shitty actress, but what a looker!

    by the_choppah

  • Mar 23, 2011 12:49:49 PM CDT

    There's your obit.

    by the_choppah

  • Mar 23, 2011 12:50:19 PM CDT

    no subject

    by ragingfluff

    "I jizzed myself the first time I saw her jump over a hedge in 'National Velvet'. Later, when I saw a 70mm reissue of 'Cleopatra', I destroyed my Princess Leia doll in a fit of tortured masturbatory self-loathing. Luckily, the other patrons at the Alamo didn't see me bent over in the front row."

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  • Mar 23, 2011 12:50:53 PM CDT

    My ape rose to Elizabeth Taylor more than once.

    by the_choppah

    After she sent me a nice card and a bottle of Stranahan's.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 12:57:06 PM CDT

    I love, love, LOVE the first

    by wookie_1995

    but I have never seen the sequels...are they worth watching?

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  • Mar 23, 2011 12:59:14 PM CDT

    OH COME ON! BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES IS SHIT!

    by barryknowles

    and the 5th is a bit ropey. All the rest rule!

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  • Mar 23, 2011 12:59:59 PM CDT

    Regarding how bad POTA The Remake was...

    by 9000rpm

    In Burton's defense, yes, the blacks/apes symbolism is a natural but finding similarly appropriate comparisons today are difficult. Today it's the Chinese and the Muslims that will soon be taking over the world, divvying it up and eventually wiping out white people. So, what is the Chinese or Muslim animal equivalent? Rise of the Pandas? Planet of the Camels?

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  • Mar 23, 2011 1:00:51 PM CDT

    Guess you never saw Who's Afraid Of Virgina Wolfe

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

  • Mar 23, 2011 1:01:28 PM CDT

    Yeah, RIP Liz Taylor

    by astronut

    You were smokin' hot!

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  • Mar 23, 2011 1:09:16 PM CDT

    wookie_1995

    by barryknowles

    the 3rd and 4th are

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  • Mar 23, 2011 1:13:13 PM CDT

    BENEATH was a blast

    by spandau belly

    Those crazy telepathic people who rip off their skin, worship a nuke, and are masters of illusion were awesome. Like something out of a Jorodowsky movie.

    It also has a good pace. It manages to rehash the original in half the time and then move on to the original ideas in the second.

    The Earth blowing up at the end was a great ending too.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 1:14:34 PM CDT

    ummm....PICS???? PROMO ART????? ANYTHING???

    by swivile bobble fizz fizz

  • Mar 23, 2011 1:16:37 PM CDT

    Politico Socio Economic Bullshit

    by megabeth

    I want entertainment. I don't want a MSNBC influenced Sci Fi movie. Sometimes it is enough just to have talking Apes and explosions.. I don't need to think about Iraq, Afghanistan or the blight of black people in America when I'm trying to relax and enjoy myself.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 1:19:41 PM CDT

    "Darkest Hour" is a great metal band!

    by hb_dad

  • Mar 23, 2011 1:19:55 PM CDT

    I.E.: It's complete crap...

    by harryknowlesnonexistentinceptionreview

    ...and they're dumping it in the August "movie dead zone".

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  • Mar 23, 2011 1:24:02 PM CDT

    No Liz obit because...

    by harryknowlesnonexistentinceptionreview

    ...Harry is still asleep. He won't be up until at least 4PM Central Daylight Time, then he has to cough and scratch himself for an hour, brush his teeth, eat a 4-course burrito breakfast and then, around 10PM, start banging out the obituary column. You should see it online by around 1AM EDT. No, seriously!

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  • Mar 23, 2011 1:24:54 PM CDT

    August is summer's dumping ground.

    by iceman199

    Nothing good comes out in August.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 1:24:55 PM CDT

    Cultural subtext? Make the apes Muslim...

    by the_choppah

    that'd be some deep shit.









    For them to fling.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 1:26:05 PM CDT

    Don't forget

    by shubniggorath

    Taj and Silver also had their Rise.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 1:33:42 PM CDT

    You're either an Organutan, Chimp, or Gorilla.

    by dr_pepperspray

    Or something like that. I enjoyed the first movie and the book immensely.

    I doubt they'll ever make something on par with either but Tim Burton should be shot for his version. Sweet holy fuck was that bad.

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  • systematic rape as a weapon of species cleansing.

    That should make for an exciting and thought provoking summer movie.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 1:35:33 PM CDT

    PUPTENT of the Apes

    by beangrud

    will go flacid....

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  • Mar 23, 2011 1:37:34 PM CDT

    aintit-old-news

    by tommyleespenis

    this popped up yesterday on coming-soon

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  • Mar 23, 2011 1:39:30 PM CDT

    megabeth, I sure hope that was a typo.

    by vroom socko

    You meant the plight of black people in America, right? Not that there's a blight...

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  • Mar 23, 2011 1:42:24 PM CDT

    "Revisited" is a good book

    by beezbo

    For those of us who grew up in the 70's, POTA was like Star Wars (before Star Wars). The best week on the 4:30 movie!

    Reply to Talkback

  • "And here I am just trying to be useless and vacant as usual!"

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  • Mar 23, 2011 1:54:25 PM CDT

    prestigeworldwide

    by slone13

    You are incorrect. I am a huge fan of both the Planet of the Apes films and The Simpsons. The only time I ever think about that particular Simpsons episode in relation to POTA is when there's a mention of an Apes movie here at Ain't It Cool and suddenly the lyrics of the Simpson song are posted ad nauseum as if we'd never heard them before.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 1:58:38 PM CDT

    Read the original novel by Pierre Boulle

    by v3d

    Then you'll know how far BOTH movies deviated from the source material.

    For instance, the original astronauts were French, took along an orangutan with them,and the planet they land on is a modern 20th century apes version of earth.

    The single biggest difference it that the whole story is told in flashback as the astronauts story was found as a literal message in a bottle floating in space. The book also has a better ending in my opinion.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 2:10:10 PM CDT

    PLANET OF THE APES

    by the_choppah

    Watched that again recently. The first hour is still really good, but I had forgotten how much it descends into a big-budget A-Team episode by the end...rather dull extended shootouts with clunky editing. I guess that marked the moment where Charlton Heston's destiny lay in movies that were more about action than drama, for much of the next decade.

    I was so hopeful when BEDTIME FOR BONZO came out that it heralded the return of both humans and chimps as genuinely dramatic actors. But it was a false dawn for both.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 2:21:58 PM CDT

    i love the ape movies even like marky marks

    by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes

    More ape movies good

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  • Mar 23, 2011 2:32:21 PM CDT

    Burtons POTA

    by edryder

    Its as if the only direction he gave Marky prior to every scene was "Deliver your line short of breath"

    The fuckin guy takes three steps toward a control panel and hes panting out of breath. Either the Marky Mark character had some sort of POTA Asthma or hes the most exhausted motherfucker ever

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  • Mar 23, 2011 2:40:05 PM CDT

    Ape suicide bombers

    by _venkman

  • Mar 23, 2011 2:55:34 PM CDT

    It's probably not that good

    by shannonnutt

    Moving it from the holiday season in November to the end of the summer (August) is a BAD sign. It looks like FOX doesn't think the movie is that good, so they want to try and rake it some bucks before the kiddies head back to school.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 2:57:17 PM CDT

    So they now got 3 months less to finish CGI...

    by performingmonkey

    Sounds like it's now gonna be a rush job. Spielberg pulled that rush bullshit with both War of the Worlds and Indy 4 and both turned out bad. BAD.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 3:00:04 PM CDT

    WORST thing about Burton's POTA...

    by harryknowlesnonexistentinceptionreview

    ...The Nova-analogue chick wore a loose, frumpy leather dress instead of a skin-tight, ripped-up fur bikini!

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  • Mar 23, 2011 3:20:31 PM CDT

    APE HAS FUCKED APE!

    by rise_of_fett

    I have no idea what this means, I just thought it sounded amusing.

    Start screaming it from your cubicle at work.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 3:21:35 PM CDT

    v3d and drpepperspray

    by maxjohnson1971

    Man, am I with you guys. As much as I liked the original, it s-s-s-s-s-s-ucks compared to the book. When for Gods sake when, will we get a faithful adaptation of the book. Read it years and years ago and it is still one of the best books I've ever read. Anyone that hasn't read it should pick it up and check it out. It might even make you hate every filmed version out there. Ironically, the end of Burton's film captured more of the book than the original did. Same premise sort of, but the Burton version nailed it a bit better. Still, none of the movies has even come close to the book. Bring on a real adaptation now.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 3:21:51 PM CDT

    The Dark Ape Rises

    by rise_of_fett

    Please universe, strike Mark Wahlberg dead!

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  • Mar 23, 2011 3:30:04 PM CDT

    You know how I know NO ONE CARES?????

    by thecat7225

    When this movie comes out and makes $14.00

    Of the 9 people who care about planet of the Apes, 4 of them don't even go to the movies anymore.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 3:38:52 PM CDT

    Every fucking movie title sounds like a fan film now

    by jackiejokeman

  • Mar 23, 2011 3:58:30 PM CDT

    Color me skeptical

    by frodofraggins

    I'll be interested to read the reviews before watching this.

    And yeah, Burton made a complete pile of shit out of a great concept.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 4:37:08 PM CDT

    Apes, Fox, and Money

    by thx1968

    The Fox that produced the fabled 5 film series is long gone, and unfortunately, there isn't a suit in Hollywood that can grasp the significance of what makes great and daring sci-fi. However, there is no shortage of filmmakers that are up to the task and that is what makes genre films so frustrating in this day and age. Some of this is perpetuated by the very filmmakers that blazed new trails in the medium in the 80's and have since lost their way. Spielberg is and always will be a master craftsman. Yet, outside of Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull (which I absolutely loved), the beard is genuinely obsessed with WWII or WWI, or war itself (still waiting on that Lincoln assassination flick Steve!). That is honorable, but the man is still the best genre picture director out there, but he really isn't making genre pictures anymore. I have revisited the Star Wars prequels recently, and found that my loathing of them has subsided somewhat, but that is only because I finally figured out what kind of story Lucas was trying to tell. There is no shortage of eye candy, to be sure, but this is no story of a young man's quest. It is a political drama, pure and simple. It is only about Palpatine coming to power. Anakin's story is really just a sub plot, and that is the problem with the prequels. However, Lucas understands the power of the Star Wars brand. He can make anything with the name Star Wars attached to it and people will see it. Myself being on of them. I have to. The same goes for anything associated with Planet of the Apes. There is no doubt in my mind that Fox and those involved are going to fuck this up. I'm really not the negative type, but Fox is in ownership of a brand that they can exploit. Part of the problem is that everyone is over thinking what a new Apes series has to be. Much in the same way they constantly over thought the Alien series, beginning with Alien 3 and finally crashing with Alien Resurrection. Both films were heavily produced from the studio. Perhaps Ridley can finally turn this around with Prometheus. Seriously, would you fuck with Ridley Scott? Hell no. A simple remake may be in order for Apes. This may be a stretch, but remakes were at one time the order of the day. With each leap in technology, you could be sure that Hollywood had a remake in mind. The Bogart version of The Maltese Falcon is the third version of that story! Mutiny on the Bounty and Beau Geste come to mind as well. The term "remake" is far less offensive to me than the term "reboot", especially after witnessing epic failings of rebooted material. For every Casino Royale there is two Hulks. Apes does not need to be over thought. My problems with the Burton film are immeasurable, primarily that the planet they were on was not Earth! That is a huge plot point in the original that people are totally aware of, but there is a generation or two out there that are unaware of that awesome climax and could be surprised by it. So could we, if it were to be sprung on us properly. Also, Apes is not a story that should be told chronologically. It seems as though thats the plan with Rise of the Apes, which so far has struck me as a retelling (or reboot) of Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (my second favorite in the series). The heart of the original Apes series is its reflection of our (then) current society. Of course there is plenty of grist for that mill today, and it should be used. The biggest difference between then and now is that the 70's Apes series generated respectable cash for what they spent on the films and the awesome and over looked TV show, but it was no Star Wars. These movies are now expected to make as much cash as possible and that means pulling back the context and ramping up the spectacle. God forbid the movie offends anybody, but I have never heard of anyone being offended by the original series of movies. The Burton Apes flick was offensive for all the wrong reasons, least of which was its own seriously lame attempt at conveying social metaphor. In the late 60's - early 70's, the Apes filmmakers were pretty much left alone to make the films that they wanted to, and they came up with some fun and fascinating stuff. I highly doubt that today's Fox would just hand over the reigns of a potential franchise to a smart director without interference. After all, the suits know exactly what they're doing. Making money, not movies.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 4:37:56 PM CDT

    PLANET OF THE APES > CAPTAIN AMERICA

    by subtitles_off

    PLANET OF THE APES > THE DARK KNIGHT

    PLANET OF THE APES > AVATAR

    PLANET OF THE APES > INCEPTION

    PLANET OF THE APES > ALIEN

    PLANET OF THE APES > 5 of 6 STAR WARS movies

    PLANET OF THE APES > LoTR (all of them)

    Popularity, quality, lasting impression...whatever. Got 'em all beat. Handily.

    PLANET OF THE APES < JAWS

    PLANET OF THE APES < THE GODFATHER

    Now shut DEƒUCK® up.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 4:40:31 PM CDT

    Tim Burton couldn't direct urine into a toilet bowl.

    by billybatson1000

    He's a brilliant cinematographer - but NO director. Love the original POTA films. Despise the 're-imagining' cash in. Pierre Boulle's original novel was a thesis on race. The new film better have some grounding in social depth.

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  • I find it disconcerting that there is next to NOTHING in terms of promotion for this movie. No teaser posters. No teaser promos. Nothing. They better start promoting the hell out of this thing if they want anybody to show up on opening day.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 5:19:29 PM CDT

    ricarleite3

    by frijole

    You are aware that the original Apes movies were rated "G", right?

    And to those crying out for Burton's head regarding his POTA... Come on, his brought in EXTREMELY late in the game. This was not a movie that him and his people developed from the ground up (though even those have been dodgy lately). It is no masterpiece, and I have not re-watched it in ages, but despite all the strikes against it (in terms of story, pacing and Wahlberg, who is great in the right role and absolutely DIES in the wrong roles) it does have several things going for it. 1) some of Rick Baker's best work ever. 2) a fantastic production design, 3) excellent performances from Giamatti, Roth and Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa

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  • Mar 23, 2011 6:11:53 PM CDT

    Things seriously need to stop rising

    by adelai niska

    Hollywood, buy a fucking thesaurus.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 6:24:41 PM CDT

    Too much rising AND falling

    by misterdarcy

    We need some lateral movement. Something slow and furtive.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 6:49:15 PM CDT

    Why can't they call it Rise of the Planet of the Apes

    by indycollector

    So it fits the rest of them?

    I can't stand inconsistent titles.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 6:49:34 PM CDT

    The first Ape film was an all-time classic.

    by hesiod2k7

    The rest of them were absolute shite. Overrating them because Burton stuck closer to Bule's story is not a very perceptive comment.



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  • Mar 23, 2011 6:56:29 PM CDT

    Bulle created a whole futuristic Ape civilization

    by hesiod2k7

    ...that SHOULD be doable in a new iteration. This living in trees crap is no longer necessary.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 7:07:18 PM CDT

    cap. america trailer is out

    by oriongods

  • Mar 23, 2011 7:18:56 PM CDT

    If Apes came out today

    by thedarklingthrush

    for the first time, that shit would explode big time. People would have gone nuts.

    It would have blown up like the Matrix did, and sloppily, with cum exploding everywhere, blew peoples minds.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 7:20:33 PM CDT

    Thanks for all the Troy McClure jokes

    by jameskpolk

    It's reminding me how much I miss the late, great Phil Hartman.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 7:21:49 PM CDT

    I keep forgetting this new apes movie is even in the works

    by rebel scumb

    Feels like it has no hype behind it at all.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 7:22:57 PM CDT

    oriongod: where is the capt trailer?

    by rebel scumb

    I checked comingsoon.net, they're usually pretty quick to post stuff (unlike this place for example) but they don't have it yet

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  • Mar 23, 2011 7:23:32 PM CDT

    Second thought

    by jameskpolk

    I am convinced that somewhere in the Universe there is an "advanced screenwriting" course taught by a highly respected professor who is indoctrinating all of his students with the idea that prequels and backstories are the highest form of art.

    This same hypothetical bastard is probably hosting a seminar on title-writing and encouraging all his proteges to work the word "rising" into everything they can.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 7:28:11 PM CDT

    Nevermind

    by rebel scumb

    Found the capt trailer. Movie looks good but the video was shit quality.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 8:10:29 PM CDT

    Apes was the modern pop culture phenomenon

    by hesiod2k7

    ...based on a movie, and spurned the whole merchandising tie in aspect of the business.

    Apes was Star Wars before Star Wars.

    Apes was the absolute shit in the 70's. It makes a shitload more sense to revive the Apes franchise than doing a fucking thundercats movie.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 9:18:18 PM CDT

    The Gorge Will Rise

    by menacingphantom

    Exactly as soon as expected.

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  • Mar 23, 2011 9:18:30 PM CDT

    You cut up his BRAIN, you bloody BABOONS...!

    by nasty in the pasty

  • Mar 23, 2011 10:57:03 PM CDT

    Who's going to pay to see Humans lose?

    by cookylamoo

  • Mar 24, 2011 12:03:33 AM CDT

    Franco will ruin the movie like Wahlberg did for Burton

    by chien_sale

    You need a solid lead with charisma, someone that's convincing, not a young pot smoker that still smell of piss. not that burton's movie was any good mind you...

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  • Mar 24, 2011 12:04:46 AM CDT

    "Battle" would have at least been a little cool

    by shitstorm23

    If they stuck to the original idea. Ceasar's paranoia turns him into a Hitler-esque monster and is eventually (and surprisingly) killed by the other apes in power to insure the war with humans would continue.

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  • Mar 24, 2011 12:07:57 AM CDT

    cookylamoo, perhaps the people who paid...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...to see humans lose in Avatar? Didn't it make a couple of billion or so? Even a tenth of that is serious dough. Of course, it might need to be as good as Avatar to bank that.

    (waiting to be flamed on the count of 3...2..)

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  • Mar 24, 2011 12:44:29 AM CDT

    So they won't make Mountains of Madness...

    by yomomma

    Or World War Z, but they will remake the 3rd worst movie of all time?

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  • Mar 24, 2011 12:52:13 AM CDT

    I too liked 'Ceasar'

    by turingtestee

    Too many competing associations with that title though.

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  • Mar 24, 2011 1:32:24 AM CDT

    Wonka/PoTA xover.... Planet of the Crepes. Get Burton on that shit.

    by otakuoverlord

  • Mar 24, 2011 3:10:03 AM CDT

    August release dates usually means the studio lacks faith.

    by allpowerfulwizardofoz

    Can anyone name me one super successful movie from an August release? I am talking big tent pole money maker. If a studio sets up a movie for an August date it usually means they lack faith in it appealing to a large audience and it will do modestly at best appealing only to diehards.

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  • Mar 24, 2011 5:06:00 AM CDT

    Its a film about guys in monkey suits fer fucks sakes

    by bongo123

    "while neither understanding or embracing the cultural subtexts and socio-political heart which drove them"

    ye waaaa... its a bunch o cunts in monkeysuits, it mightve worked in the 70's but now it just sounds fucking cheesey and shite

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  • Mar 24, 2011 8:28:03 AM CDT

    No chance against The Smurfs

    by trekguy1966

    I originally meant that as a funny line, but then the more I thought about it, the more I realized that dumb things in life really happen.

    I hope "Apes" does not suck. It would kill any chances for future films.

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  • Mar 24, 2011 9:52:10 AM CDT

    This IS a reboot, just from a different point in time

    by rise_of_fett

    If it is successful we will see humans destroy themselves in a war with the apes and we will see their post-apocalyptic civilization develop.

    I'm not saying it's a better way to do it, but remember that it was Rod Serling, NOT Boulle who decided the astronauts had returned to Earth. Boulle always inteded it to be an alien planet.

    And no, Boulle's book had jack shit to do with race. It was an anti-vivisectionist book. It says it right in the special features of the 2-disc DVD if you ever bothered to watch them.

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  • Mar 24, 2011 10:44:35 AM CDT

    Writing made the original work so well.

    by impossibledreamers

    Good source material, and two great screenwriters. Um.. Rod Serling folks... master of the ironic ending!

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  • Kids these days could use the social messages of the originals.

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  • Mar 24, 2011 3:06:21 PM CDT

    rise of fett

    by maxjohnson1971

    If I remember correctly, and it has been a while since I read the book, when the astronauts returned to Earth, it was run by the apes. I figured that the implication was that they were on earth all along. The only reason they didn't know in the book was because of the time difference. The story said that humans had made the primates into servants and they had eventually taken over because the humans got lazy. Did I miss something or do I have to read the book again?

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  • Mar 24, 2011 3:59:23 PM CDT

    I'd like to kiss you goodbye.

    by damned if i can login

    All right, but you're so damned ugly.

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  • Mar 24, 2011 4:22:37 PM CDT

    WTF??? A $75 book about PotA???

    by coosawatchie

    I lurvs me some Planet of the Apes, but in what universe am I gonna plop down $75 to buy a non-collectible tome about those movies?

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  • Mar 24, 2011 5:27:22 PM CDT

    slone13

    by prestigeworldwide

    Yeah, but that's because you're kind of a twat.

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  • Mar 24, 2011 7:31:03 PM CDT

    "TAKE YOUR STINKING PAWS OFF ME, YOU DAMNED DIRTY SMURF!"

    by cesspitt

  • Mar 24, 2011 9:59:02 PM CDT

    My penis is rising!

    by poloboy

    I don't know why I typed that!?!

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  • Mar 24, 2011 11:21:53 PM CDT

    Conquest of the Planet of the Apes; Rise of the Ratings

    by nem_wan

    A very cheap, very flawed movie, whose scripted ending was unforgivably censored and butchered. And yet, Ricardo Montalban and Roddy McDowall were two of the finest actors ever to appear in science fiction, and they make you care.

    RISE is this decade's HOME. 20 years ago every title had to have Home. From reasonable usage like Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home and Home Alone to titles where Home apparently became a punctuation mark: Fly Away Home and Free Willy 2: The Adventure Home.

    The original Planet of the Apes was rated G because in 1968 the rating system was new and studios were still feeling liberated from decades of the Hays Code. Nobody knew how to design a film to have a particular rating because there was no experience. I say we need a new rating system now, something structurally different so it's not just changing the labels. PG-13 has become the new Hays Code of big-budget films.

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