Ain't It Cool News (www.aintitcool.com)
Movie News

The Behind the Scenes Pic of the Day is the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now.

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!

One of the things I look out for in these pics are those that I can share in mega-giant size. A lot of these, scanned from 30 year old magazines or photos of photos aren’t all that big pixel-wise, which means it might look good on the page, but won’t be able to be expanded. Some of these pics are just too good not to share. Sometimes, though, there are great shots that are also big enough to be computer backgrounds.

Today’s image from The Dark Knight is one of those. It’s the best of both worlds, a great shot in mega huge res… and from a moment that particularly stands out from a movie filled with great, stand-out moments.

One thing that is particularly interesting to me about this shot is that I don’t often see two boom mics used during filming. I’ve been on a lot of sets and I don’t remember ever seeing multiple booms, especially not in a close quarters set like the interrogation room.

But more than anything I see this photo and wish I could have been there. This is real movie magic happening here, a scene that will be remembered for decades by film fans the world over, with some of the best actors and filmmakers of our generation. It’s a great shot.

Thanks to David Sargeant for sending this one along! Enjoy the pic and click to embiggen!

 

 

Tomorrow’s Behind the Scenes Pic is full of horror!

-Quint
quint@aintitcool.com
Follow Me On Twitter

Readers Talkback
comments powered by Disqus
    + Expand All
  • March 22, 2011, 10:05 p.m. CST

    hahahahah

    by seabiscuits

  • March 22, 2011, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Yay Batman!!

    by ShogunMaster

    I hope the third is close to as good as DK...

  • March 22, 2011, 10:08 p.m. CST

    I still remember how fucking quiet it was in the midnight showing

    by Dharma4

    Goosebumps

  • JUST SAYIN'

  • March 22, 2011, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Why so serial

    by _Venkman

  • March 22, 2011, 10:17 p.m. CST

    I remember the audience applausing during the credits of this film.

    by little_lebowski

    It was one of those rare moments where I realized that the experience of going to a physical theater can never be replaced "on demand" or "via live streaming".

  • March 22, 2011, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Lots of productions use two booms when required

    by J.B.M.A.

    It's commonplace when the budget will stretch to employing a third assistant. It makes life for the sound department and the edit house MUCH easier. Chief problems these days are booms being lit out of a scene by inexperienced DOPs and the constant hassle of directors who demand to shoot multi-camera with wide and tight shots simultaneously. This fucks the sound guys completely and necessitates the use of either plant mics or wireless personal mics which are often hard to mount and can sound like crap. Thankfully Christopher Nolan is a 'proper' filmmaker and shoots single camera only on dialogue scenes. It's no surprise to see him working with two booms when both actors are in such an intense scene and producing such fantastic performances (Bales silly voice notwithstanding).

  • March 22, 2011, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Great scene.

    by imagin78

    If only Nolan had the sense to end the movie after the second act, then this would have been a true masterpiece.

  • March 22, 2011, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Photoshop this into a screencap from When Harry Met Sally

    by hyperboycomics

    I'll give you a dollar. maybe.

  • March 22, 2011, 10:24 p.m. CST

    What a GREAT pic of a GREAT scene.

    by kermit_the_fraud

    "You're just a freak.....like ME."

  • March 22, 2011, 10:25 p.m. CST

    This shite rules!

    by Patch

    Love these behind the scenes pics, and this one is a perfect example. One of the first scenes they filmed if I recall, if not THE first. These days me and lots of my geek friends discuss Ann Hathaway as Catwoman, and we often end with "meh?" But this is a great reminder not to underestimate the Nolan and what he chooses as GOOD.

  • March 22, 2011, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Two booms in close quarters...

    by Cheif Brody

    Helps to isolate each character's voice, especially when they are speaking over each other's dialoge. It gives the sound editors more options in the final mixing. <p> God, what an iconic pic from an iconic scene. Thanks, Quint.

  • March 22, 2011, 10:26 p.m. CST

    This scene was so ****ing tense

    by starmin76

    The part where Batman gets pissed off and just starts beating the snot out of the joker was so great.

  • March 22, 2011, 10:28 p.m. CST

    little_lebowski got it right

    by Patch

    I saw this with a packed crowd in NYC on the sunday of opening weekend and the feeling of being there to see it with the people who were so stoked to be there gave it a palpable edge. I still love seeing this stuff with tons of other dumbasses on opening weekend! Suckerpunch on the IMAX this saturday.

  • March 22, 2011, 10:31 p.m. CST

    "You complete me." or...

    by Triple_J_72

    "You had me at hello." "I can't quit you." "I'll have what she's having." "I'm not the marrying kind." "What we have here is a failure to communicate." "Where's Bill?"

  • March 22, 2011, 10:31 p.m. CST

    just like my picture I sent in

    by KGB3317

    but mine has no Nolan. It does have a grinning Joker & you can see the monitor on the bottom. I absolutely love this move...but where the hell does The Joker go after he throws Rachel out the window(and then Batman jumps out after her)? Does he just have another drink and then bounces? He doesn't even kill anyone that first night. Leave it to a non-fan of the movie to point that out to me.

  • March 22, 2011, 10:32 p.m. CST

    great pic

    by Failure101

    Thanks for posting Quint.

  • March 22, 2011, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Bruce's voice alteration is a nice touch to the mythos.

    by Se7en

    I'm for it. In my mind, it's actually Batman's voice when I read 'The Dark Knight Returns' (many, many years ago). Though I could see how many are upset after 2 DECADES of Kevin Conroy's voice.

  • March 22, 2011, 10:34 p.m. CST

    One of better pics posted lately in this column

    by ATARI

    How about some Hitchcock again, soon?

  • March 22, 2011, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Why the fuck did the cops give the Joker his phone call?

    by Chewtoy

    So, the Joker is holding the abusive cop hostage and all he wants is "his phone call". Now, true... there's no way they should have suspected that a guy down in holding had a bomb sewn into his gut. What they *should* have suspected is that Joker was going to call his accomplices and tell them that Batman, Gordon and a bunch of cops had just rushed out of there on their way to rescue the hostages his gang had taken. "Hey Joker, can we get you a coffee while you give the order to escape with and/or murder the D.A. and his girlfriend while setting up an ambush for our fellow officers?"

  • March 22, 2011, 10:45 p.m. CST

    That's the thing about midnight showings.

    by pushthebuttonmax

    The audience actually wants to be there to see the movie. No texting, no talking, just dead silence, some cheering, and applause at the end. Simply awesome.

  • March 22, 2011, 10:53 p.m. CST

    jokers

    by captzeep

    To tell you the truth I was disappointed when I finally saw Heath Ledger's Joker. It had been sooooooo hyped that it was bound to be a letdown. He had a good take on the character but I think he will be remembered for other things. Worst Joker? Jack Nicholson. Also totally overhyped. Casting Jack Nicholson as a villain rather than an antihero is different, but Michael Keaton really ruled that movie. The not-so-cool guy never gets the credit. Best Joker? Cesar Romero in the old TV show. Really. On a show lathered with camp he played it straight and nailed it. The Joker doesn't have to be complicated, or ironic, or deep, or even psycho. He just has to be really bad. The key to the character is that he's not a typical bad guy with whom you can sympathize at least a little; he is just really bad, and enjoys the hell out of it. There's nothing scarier than that.

  • March 22, 2011, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Ledger's brilliant performance and tragic death

    by KilliK

    is what saves this movie from its mediocrity.FACT.

  • March 22, 2011, 10:57 p.m. CST

    That scene

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    ...is probably the best scene in the entire movie. In just a few minutes, it managed to encapsulate the dual, opposing yet complementary relationship between the hero and the villain. Decades of Batman and Joker interaction were distilled and refined into a few perfect minutes. Whenever I watch that scene and see how Joker, despite being beaten to a pulp, manages to manipulate and dominate a completely powerless Batman, I get geek goosebumps all over.

  • March 22, 2011, 10:59 p.m. CST

    I would love to know

    by John

    what it is like on the set during these scenes. After Nolan yells "Cut' do Batman and the Joker high-five each other and then talk about how they 'nailed' the scene? Do they stay in character while the crew sets up another shot? Do they give each other notes to try things during the next take like "Dude, throw me against the glass abit harder.....dont be such a pussy Batman" Fascinating.....

  • March 22, 2011, 11 p.m. CST

    joseph gordon levit as JOKER!! BRING BACK JOKER

    by FleshMachine

    bring him back

  • March 22, 2011, 11:06 p.m. CST

    i wonder if Nolan planned on Joker slowly

    by seabiscuits

    becoming more slick . with the purple tailed suits, neater makeup, hair. throughout the films.

  • March 22, 2011, 11:08 p.m. CST

    I dont understand why Boom Mic Ops don't have a steadycam mic systems

    by TheJudger

    It looks like a real pain having to hold that heavy stick up high over the actors head. With all these innovations, you would think that someone would have adopted/invented a rig system similar to a steady cam that makes it just that much easier to maneuver and support a boom mic.

  • March 22, 2011, 11:08 p.m. CST

    I remember the WizardWorld footage

    by pleasebanme

    And how unbelievably intense the shots from this scene looked. The first thought I had about the movie from that preview was, "How the hell is this going to be PG 13?" It was interesting to see the actors and Nolan, who looked very tired and rather pissed that he had to interrupt the shoot to do this Q and A. Gary Oldman and Aaron Eckhart were quite enthusiastic, Bale was funny, but while Nolan was expectedly classy he also clearly felt they were too early into the filming to have to do a PR conference, and he even said as much. After the crowd went batshit after the sneak peak, the moderator asked, "Wanna see it again" to an obvious and appropriate uproar. Nolan instantly popped back out from the curtain motioning to the guy "NO WAY". More power to him to be so committed to the secrecy of the film. The midnight premiere was fantastic. I still must say that the Joker's video threat is the single greatest representation of everything I love about the character. The crowd's initial laughter giving way to stunned silence at Ledger's "LOOK AT ME!" was the coolest part of the whole experience. This scene was also first rate. Good job on this behind the scenes picture, it brought back good memories from opening night. Great movie, hope the third one delivers too.

  • March 22, 2011, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Very cool pic

    by TheJudger

  • March 22, 2011, 11:19 p.m. CST

    midnight shows are the best time see a movie

    by Billy_D_Williams

    everyone is completely tuned into the film and it makes the experience that much more gratifying

  • March 22, 2011, 11:20 p.m. CST

    I would rather go back and re-read every Batman comic I own --

    by MooseMalloy

    -- re-watch every episode of B:TAS, and finish it up with a viewing of BATMAN(1989) than watch this piece of crap FOR THE FIRST TIME!

  • March 22, 2011, 11:23 p.m. CST

    fucking joker...

    by 2soon2eat

    YES...its not going to happen, but just for one moment lets at least entertain the possibility that Nolan brought him back. It would be INSANE audacious film making if it were true. Nolan doesn't like risks like that. I mean he LOVES taking risks, but ones that he controls more. Joker would be unprecedented, brass balled , and truly perfect for a finnish to the trilogy. But unlikely.

  • March 22, 2011, 11:23 p.m. CST

    imagin78 and killik

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    are exactly right

  • ...whose award is the fear of his peers.

  • March 22, 2011, 11:25 p.m. CST

    They're Playing Table-Top Football

    by Mike-El

    And Batman's about to kick a field goal.

  • March 22, 2011, 11:32 p.m. CST

    So, tomorrows BTSPOTD is of Jane Fonda !

    by theKRELL

    Oh shit, my bad, you said Hor-or.

  • March 22, 2011, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Disney Comics can only immitate this.

    by Zurge

    Yes, Disney Comics, Marvel died in the buy out. 'Nuff said.

  • March 22, 2011, 11:39 p.m. CST

    thejudger : they have

    by J.B.M.A.

    But they aren't in common use. Probably because they aren't convenient or practical. There's a US show currently shooting that has 20 minute long takes and they have them on that. Its basically a Steadicam style harness with a rigid arm that extends 45 degrees to a pivot at head-height upon which the boom rests. This is going to limit the height at which the operator is working during a take though, and not allow for a shift in position during the shot beyond tilting the boom downwards from the pivot point. Using the boom pole freestyle has the advantage of choosing positions over or under (sometimes you can't come from above) and allows for easier moves during the take. But yes it does fuck your back and arms. I've done it enough to have nothing but respect for the feature guys. Takes a good deal of skill to follow actors head turns and moves without missing a cue. You have to understand lighting, lens sizes and mic pick up patterns - it's not just holding a stick. Steadicam isn't always an easier way to move a camera anyway - it can be quite cumbersome and is exhausting for the operator. It's all about using the right tools for the job.

  • March 22, 2011, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Turd

    by J.B.M.A.

  • March 22, 2011, 11:43 p.m. CST

    I still don't see Joker whatsoever in Heath's performance.

    by Flip63Hole

    Sorry, man. Regardless, RIP... Now, time for a reboot and new director, pronto...

  • March 22, 2011, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Oops

    by J.B.M.A.

    Turd - I don't recall any muffled dialogue, but it's been a while since I've seen it. You need to blame the final mix for that though not the location recordist, who's work can be redubbed at the looping stage if circumstances on set cause audio issues. Public Enemies had a hideous final mix forced on it by Michael Mann. He seems to push for leaving dialogue tracks very raw and with any limitations of audio capture on location very audible for everyone to hear.

  • The action movies are up next (it's commercial time) and they showed clips of The Dark Knight, Gladiator, I think Die Hard. I wonder how high The Dark Knight placed (it's only 5 movies per each category).

  • March 22, 2011, 11:51 p.m. CST

    killik is right...

    by BIG_BAD_WOLF_IN_CAPS

    1) If Ledger doesn't die, this movie makes less than HALF of what it did 2) If Ledger doesn't die, he still wins the Oscar.

  • March 22, 2011, 11:52 p.m. CST

    big_bad_wolf_in_caps

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    agreed on both counts...Ledger is amazing in this flick but it's an entirely average movie that coasts by on his performance...the third act is a mess

  • March 22, 2011, 11:53 p.m. CST

    The Joker and 2 face were NEVER meant 2 return

    by AnarchyWorldsEnd

    This is a movie series where things begin and end. The allusion to future battles between the 2 by the Joker is great at implying his power and the likelihood that he will escape (Fan fiction of Ledger's Joker seducing a Rachel McAdams Harley Quinn makes me smile :-) But this was never meant to happen on film. The absurdity of the same beings fighting again and again without a fatal outcome is great in comic books... not so much in movies. As comic book films are a money maker for the foreseeable future, periodic reboots are the only way to go. I've always thought comic books should take the same tact. Canon Bibles are obstacles to dynamic storytelling.

  • March 22, 2011, 11:53 p.m. CST

    I know it's blasphemous

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    but I'd rank TDK as Nolan's weakest film...it's his only sequel and I think it suffers from Nolan being too comfortable and kind of taking his foot off the gas creatively

  • March 22, 2011, 11:54 p.m. CST

    imagin78

    by bluebalrog

    too bad your attention span is predicated upon by the video game 'cinema-byte' diet that you've clearly come to think of as actual cinema. expand your horizons dude.

  • March 22, 2011, 11:57 p.m. CST

    bluebalrog

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    unless you can explain how the entire ferry scene isn't a cliche ridden cheese fest that is a TOTAL copout for everything set up before hand I'm all ears...or eyes since I'll be reading your response

  • March 23, 2011, 12:07 a.m. CST

    ON THE COUNTDOWN THE DARK KNIGHT ENDED UP BEING...

    by Meadowe

    #2, With Raiders of the Lost Ark #1. I can live with that.

  • March 23, 2011, 12:10 a.m. CST

    RE: Moosemalloy

    by BlaGyver

    Cool story bro. Tell it again.

  • March 23, 2011, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Clever dude

    by MooseMalloy

  • March 23, 2011, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Have you even read a Batman comic in your life?

    by MooseMalloy

  • exactly that

  • March 23, 2011, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Batman just looks silly

    by BenBraddock

    In a brightly lit room, I mean. Works in a dark, moody environment but here he looks even dafter than the Joker. You wouldn't be able to keep a straight face!

  • March 23, 2011, 12:45 a.m. CST

    I still can't believe...

    by cgih8r

    there wasn't any blood in this scene. Batman punches him as hard as he can square in the nose repeatedly and no split lip not even a nose bleed. In 1989's batman when he punched joker once he spit out blood and teeth. TDK was pretty tame compared to the old school.

  • March 23, 2011, 1:14 a.m. CST

    I hope they change some stuff for TDKR

    by cgih8r

    Number one: have blood...SOME for crapsake. Number two: change the mask, give Batman his neck back he's got a scrawny little neck that makes his head look HUGE. Number Three: Lighten up on the growl voice, AT LEAST when he's in a bunker with someone like Lucius Fox who knows his identity or alone in a speeding train with someone like Raas Al Ghul who ALSO knows his identity, Bale's voice is low enough and it sounds cool when he doesn't alter it. Number four: give Batman a sex life 1989's batman at least tried to date and managed to get laid. Number Five: Don't make batman so self righteous. He's so particular about not killing people yet he was the one who blew everybody up at Raas Al Ghul's ninja mansion. Remember why Raas burned Wayne Manor down? He was still pissed about that. All those ninjas that Batman beat up in Begins eventually woke up, dusted themselves off and started plotting again. Number Six: Don't have so many plot holes, when joker invades Waynes mansion and batman saves Rachel we never see what happens after that. What? every body went home? Joker was on the top floor he'd need to hotwire Wayne's helicopter to escape. Remember at the beginnin of the movie when the goons pick up Joker and he's not wearing his mask yet? That scene almost ruined the movie for me because it was such a dumb mistake to make. There's more I'm sure but Ok I'm done. I wouldn't even bother if so many people didn't drool so much over this movie. Yes it's enjoyable but to call it a masterpiece? & even go as far as to put on the same level as Heat? Really? If I didn't hear all that crap I wouldn't say anything.

  • March 23, 2011, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Ahhh the relationship had so much potential

    by Larry Sellers

    what a shame. It's a spark I doubt (but hope) they will replicate for DKR. Nolan is right to not believe in trying to outdo himself. I'm afraid DKR will be a step backward...but I really, really hope it isn't. Is the film's fate in Hathaway's hands?

  • March 23, 2011, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Great movie!

    by Sanyi

    I say it is my favourite movie directed by Nolan. And yes I saw Inception and I don't like it. On the other hand TDK is a fuckin' satisfying, catarthic experience. I love it. But Nolan is not my favourite director.

  • March 23, 2011, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Nolan hates doing ADR...

    by YouSunkMyBlankenship

    So maybe that's why he has multiple booms, so he can get the actors loud and clear on the set and not have to go back and loop.

  • March 23, 2011, 3:11 a.m. CST

    FINALLY A BEHIND THE SCENES PIC FROM POST 1980!!!

    by gruemanlives

  • March 23, 2011, 3:26 a.m. CST

    SWEAR TO MEEE!!!!

    by ciroslive

    Honestly if Batman 3 is even 1/2 of what The Dark Knight is, its still going to be one helluva movie! JGL for the Joker in Arkham!!!

  • March 23, 2011, 3:28 a.m. CST

    IF Nolan hates ADR

    by ciroslive

    THANK GOD. As someone who follows the production of films, I can ALWAYS pick out when someone does ADR and it ALWAYS takes me out of the flick. TDK was near-perfect to me, and as a near-perfect human I can just hope the same for TDK Rises. :)

  • March 23, 2011, 3:45 a.m. CST

    bluebalrog

    by imagin78

    I have no idea how disliking the third act of The Dark Knight makes me ADD-addled. I despise the Michael Bay-style of filmmaking. Nevertheless, the last 45 minutes of TDK are extremely weak. As raskolnikov pointed out, the ferry scene is completely preposterous. Nolan does an admirable job of setting up the idea that it only takes a little bit of chaos to make society start to feed upon itself. Yet, without reason, I am supposed to believe that Gothamites suddenly have an epiphany of morality and decide to not blow each other up... including a boatload of prisoners? Ridiculous. Nolan also wastes Two-Face almost as badly as Schumacher did. After doing such a great job with Harvey Dent, Two-Face becomes an all-too brief snarling attack dog. He should have been saved for the sequel. The true duality of the character hasn't been explored fully on film. I still don't understand why Batman has to take the blame for Two-Face killing a couple of mobsters. Gotham City acts nice all of sudden and then they'll turn loco if they find out what Dent did. Gotcha. Plus, TDK has no business being placed as the second best action film of all-time. Granted, the Batpod chase is a bravura set-piece. However, the rest of the action scenes in the film are quite poor. The fight at the construction site is a chaotic mess. How anyone can rank this above Die Hard is beyond me. Batman Begins is a better action film. Hell... Speed, Casino Royale, The Bourne Supremacy, Terminator 2, Total Recall, Aliens, and many more are superior.

  • March 23, 2011, 4:17 a.m. CST

    Wildcard Comics

    by KGB3317

    You are dumb for saying that...you ever hear of Warner Bros.? Time Warner? They are the owners of DC, so in you're thinking: then DC died when they were bought out & now they should be Warner bros. Comics.....and this happened in 1969!!

  • March 23, 2011, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Doberman Pinscherman or

    by Dingbatty

    Lightbulbheadman.

  • March 23, 2011, 4:38 a.m. CST

    "This is real movie magic happening here,

    by kwisatzhaderach

    a scene that will be remembered for decades by film fans the world over, with some of the best actors and filmmakers of our generation. It’s a great shot." <p> Fanboy hyperbole. Nobody I know even mentions The Dark Knight anymore. 10 years from now it will be remembered as being Heath Ledger's last good gig, and that's it. And everybody complaining about the third act is spot on, the movie died about 105 minutes in.

  • March 23, 2011, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Nolan looks very Dapper

    by Bobo_Vision

    It's funny how even while directing he still prefers to be well-dressed....I'd be wearing jeans and a hoodie. I always got the feeling that in Inception....Leonardo Dicaprio was playing Christopher Nolan.

  • March 23, 2011, 6:48 a.m. CST

    killik...everything you wrote is spot on mate!

    by Darth_Kaos

    I can't agree more with your statements. TDK is a good movie, no doubt. But it was 30 minutes away from becoming a masterpiece. I've said it before...Nolan needs to edit himself. His movies are a bit too long winded on the edge of becoming too portentous. God help us all with this new Batman movie. I've already read that they're cutting the script due to it being a damn novel. That isn't a good sign. Not to mention that it seems the movie is going to be packed with too many prime characters.

  • March 23, 2011, 7:16 a.m. CST

    BB and TDK

    by elsewhere

    Love these movies, but they're definitely not flawless. A lot of great scenes, but nothing consistent. The tunnel scene (where the Tumbler makes that garbage truck it's bitch) all the way up to the semi flip should have been the ending of TDK instead of the mediocre one we got. And that ferry scene makes me groan every time. It really drags the film down.

  • March 23, 2011, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Batman Naysayers..

    by maxwell's hammer

    ...better watch out, or else the NerdRage-fueled Nolanoids will destroy you!!

  • March 23, 2011, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Amazing scene. Amazing that comic movies

    by smudgewhat

    Ever evolved to a point where you could have this 'realistic', serious of an interaction between 2 iconic characters. Ledger is the definitive Joker. I've yet to read a Batman comic that was as perfect as his take. Joker's an anarchist who wants to show people that the control they think they have over their lives is illusion.

  • March 23, 2011, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Bloody awesome pic!!!

    by Darth Valinorean

    Great column... one of the best columns on the internet. Period.

  • March 23, 2011, 7:49 a.m. CST

    So wait, TDK ISNT one of the best movies of all time??

    by gooseud

    Well, forget it then!! If it isnt one of the 5 greatest movies ever made, then lets just forget the whole thing!!! In fact, I'm now officially going to apply that to my everyday movie-going experience: if a movie isnt completely flawless and one of the 5 best movies I've ever seen, upon the rolling of the credits I'm going to stand up and scream "FUCK YOU, NON FLAWLESS MOVIE!! I HATE YOU!! FUCKKKK YOUUUUU IN YOUR UN-PERFECT ASS!!!". So let me see if I get this straight: Ledger's astonishing performance lifts the material......and this is somehow an insult to the movie. "DAMN YOU outstanding acting, for making the movie better then it would be with a bad actor!! DAMN YOU!". The movie is admittedly pretty much flawless for 2/3rds.....and then falls off a cliff right down to being merely really good (and this is a revisionist myth anyway, the Hong Kong scene sits squarely in the first 2/3rds and is merely ok). This ferry scene DEBACLE clearly means the entire movie is total shit and a complete waste of time. Interesting.

  • March 23, 2011, 7:49 a.m. CST

    TDK was indeed the pinnacle of comic book filmmaking

    by David Ortiz

    There is no way that any other film can get close to obtaining the 'spirit' of the characters like TDK. They might have to take a few liberties since it is a movie and not a book after all, but it kicks all other superhero flicks to the curb. That interrogation scene which led to the bombs blowing up was such a nail-biting sequence that managed to stay true to the characters. Bravo, Mr. Nolan!

  • March 23, 2011, 7:59 a.m. CST

    I just hope Gordon hires some smarter cops for the next one.

    by Chewtoy

    The biggest Keystone Cops moment of all time in film has to be the Commisioner's funeral, where the Joker and his men kidnap and replace the Honor Guard. (How unpopular must that Honor Guard be that nobody at all know what they look like enough to recognize these aren't them?) But really, it's laughable that the Joker himself, with his massively identifiable facial scarring, can be inside a sea of cops who all know what he looks like and are on high alert for an assassination attempt by him on the mayor. All because he's not wearing white face paint. This kind of thing repeatedly bugs me about TDK. It tries to set a realistic tone, which just makes so many parts of the plot downright hilariously unbelievable.

  • March 23, 2011, 8:06 a.m. CST

    "Nolan looks very Dapper"

    by Truxton Spangler

    I noticed that as well. Though I generally prefer to dress for comfort, there is a value to looking right for the part, like you belong there, and deserve some respect as the boss. It's something that's lost on many today, especially the techie types.

  • March 23, 2011, 8:19 a.m. CST

    You... have NOTHING... to threaten me with!

    by Blanket-Man

    Despite Joker's lousy grammar, that's one of my favorite lines in the film. And Die Hard should definitely be ranked above TDK on any action film list.

  • Some truths are irrefutable.

  • March 23, 2011, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Indeed. My favorite scene of the movie.

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    The opening bank heist is brilliant in the staging, use of IMAX, and hey!, it's William Fichtner!... but the interrogation scene is two actors at the height of their characteraztions. The tension is palpable.

  • March 23, 2011, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Cool pic indeed

    by AssyMuffJizz

    I'll never understand the complains about the batsuit for BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT. I can understand the complains of the actor and stunts that have to use it. But from the viewers, not so much.

  • March 23, 2011, 9:17 a.m. CST

    ciroslive

    by AssyMuffJizz

    Nolan has always been exitant to comit to new movies which are not of his own creation, like MEMENTO and INCEPTION. After BATMAN BEGINS was released, he didn't comit to a sequel immediatly, in fact, he even hinted almsot for sure that he wouldn't return to another Batman movie. He did the same thing after THE DARK KNIGHT. And he's doing the same thing for his 3rd Batman movie. Frankly, i don't believe as yet that he might stop at the 3rd Batman movie. I'll only believe it for sure when they will, like, do a Batman reboot or publicly confirm the hiring of a different director in the trade papers. Until then, i don't take for granted what Nolan says when he claims to be done with the current Batman film series. He really loves to play hard to get.

  • March 23, 2011, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Cool to see Nolan there...

    by alienindisguise

    instead of some directors who just sit behind a fucking monitor the whole time. While being part of the crew on a scene like this would be unforgettable just think how much it would suck if you had to blast a fart but knew you couldn't for fear of ruining the audio track. Tense

  • March 23, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST

    one of my favs

    by Wookie_1995

    such a fantastic picture, some people keep reminding me of opening night at midnight...it had me on the edge of my seat the first time I saw it

  • March 23, 2011, 9:22 a.m. CST

    and it was the first movie I saw

    by Wookie_1995

    where everyone was quiet

  • March 23, 2011, 9:27 a.m. CST

    A so-so film with some brilliant aspects

    by kevred

    The Joker concept is the best idea in either Batman film, IMO. Making him the personification of anarchy and chaos, this weird, mysterious figure whose persona implies some kind of massive damage in the past. Then sitting order & chaos across the table from each other, in an airlessly controlled room, then having order unravel to crazy degrees that slip right through the fingers of The Batman. Sure, it required some boneheaded mistakes by characters who should know better, mistakes that were telegraphed too often, but as a concept it was terrific. Apart from that and the cold, stony visual style of the film, it didn't affect me too much, substituting melodrama that tries to convince you it has gravity for actual gravity. And I thought Batman Begins was terribly boring. I actually fell asleep when I watched it, and I'm a long-time comic reader who was interested in the film. Which is why I'm not thrilled with what we're hearing about the third film so far. Digging up tired plot threads from two films ago, with no sign of an iconic villain? It's tough to see a satisfying conclusion happening there. But I hope I'm wrong about that. I hope Nolan keeps playing with the fundamental concepts that created those intense and exciting moments in TDK. In the meantime, I'll enjoy Memento and The Shield more than these films, while still being glad they exist. :)

  • March 23, 2011, 9:31 a.m. CST

    IN NOLAN WE TRUST

    by AssyMuffJizz

    Well, i had to say it, hadn't I?

  • March 23, 2011, 9:33 a.m. CST

    kevred

    by AssyMuffJizz

    The Dark Knight IS a masterpiece. Too bad you can't appreciate it for what it is. You can bet your ass that when Godfather, Chinatown, Citizen Kane, Rashomon, the Bicycle Thief, GoodFellas and Taxi Driver came out, there were many people who didn't consider them masterpieces. Same with THE DARK KNIGHT. TDK is a masterpiece. Masterpieces came in all sizes and shapes, but never before in the history of cinema as a superhero comic book movie. TDK is a masterpiece, you better accept that fact.

  • March 23, 2011, 9:42 a.m. CST

    halfbreedqueen

    by AssyMuffJizz

    TDK is a materpiece, deal with it. It miht never be your favorite movie, that's OK, there's a masterpiece i don't particulary like it much either, CASABLANCA. I don't liek it much, havne't seen it for 20 years already, have no hurry to rewatch it, but despise my non-preference for itl i know it's a masterpiece of cinema. It would be stupid of me to say otherwise. Can you dig it? TDK is a masterpiece i happen to like. Can you dig it?

  • March 23, 2011, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Put a guy in tights and a guy in makeup in the same room

    by Snookeroo

    and of course you're going to end up with boom boom.

  • March 23, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    That's so cool.

    by heyscot

    Great shot. Great movie. Wow.

  • March 23, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST

    No matter what you think of TDK...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    I think we can all agree that there are almost no other films based on superhero comic books that have performances as good as the ones we got from Bale and Ledger, especially in their scenes together. With the passing of time, I've come to feel that "Dark Knight" is not quite as awesome-sauce as I thought it was the night I saw it, but there is still so much to appreciate. And this BTS pic captures some of the best of TDK. I'm hoping that when Nolan delivers his final Batman movie, TDK will fit more comfortably into the complete story he's aiming to tell. Fingers crossed. And R.I.P., Heath. Give Liz a big hug for me.

  • March 23, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST

    TDK was good, BB was great.

    by thot

    To be honest, I felt a little let down after watching TDK. Begins had just the right mix of seriousness and levity with a grand sense of adventure. TDK was so serious (even the Joker sensed it!) that it nearly collapsed under its own weight. Well, actually it did. As many have noted here, it went too long and got very shaky in the final act. Two Face was ridiculous and unnecessary. Here's hoping TDKR is a more fitting followup to Batman Begins. Oh...and cool pic!

  • March 23, 2011, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Smudgewhat, if you haven't read...

    by firewhale

    ...The Killing Joke by Alan Moore and Brian Bolland, I would highly recommend giving that a try. That story shows the Joker in some of his most sadistic and fragile moments. Also, its central plot is tied into the same notion that the Joker floats in TDK's interrogation scene...that all it takes is one bad day for anyone to turn into a monster. Great, great Batman/Joker story. I have to believe that The Killing Joke is the inspiration for many of the themes in TDK.

  • March 23, 2011, 11:01 a.m. CST

    thot

    by AssyMuffJizz

    You are cool and i like and respect you, you know that, but you still wrong about TDK, friend. Sorry. The future will be very kind to TDK and vindicates all those who hail it for the masterpiece that it is.

  • March 23, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST

    writefortheedit: I think Ledger gave a great performance...

    by Chewtoy

    ...but I honestly think that Bale's performance in that film was entirely forgettable if not downright bad. He's definitely overshadowed by Ledger, Oldman, and Eckhart, and certainly Caine and Freeman brought enough to their small roles to steal their scenes from him as well. In general, I did enjoy The Dark Knight... but I also recognize that a lot of the adoration heaped upon it stems from fanboys finally seeing someone treat their beloved property with 100% of the grim and gritty serious nature they always wanted to see.

  • March 23, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Good, but not Great.

    by Pawprint

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again – a good film, but not a great film. Certainly not the Holy Grail of comic films that it was hailed as at the time. One of the things that annoyed me was the whole ‘Agent of Chaos’ thing; yes, Ledger’s Joker was an amazing, unique and valid portrayal, but my issue was in the writing of the character. Maybe it’s me, but I took ‘Agent of Chaos’ not to just mean ‘causes chaos’, but embodies it also. The Joker is written as chaotic in personality, unstable and unpredictable, driven on a whim – he even admits to Harvey Dent that he hates ‘schemers and planners’, and that he has no real plan. So, given all this, why does everything the Joker does in this film obviously require some of the most meticulous, detailed and foresighted planning put on film? His schemes are even more complex and convoluted than those of Darth Sidious in the SW: PT (eugh). Let me run through this: The Joker causes chaos in order to get Batman to give himself up voluntarily, this apparently done, he then chases who he thinks is Batman down and tries to kill him. He then shows no surprise at all when the real Batman shows up to stop him. He then succeeds in subduing Batman and is going to unmask him but he is stopped and apprehended by a character he could not have known was even still alive (Gordon). Once in the Police HQ, it appears the Joker has inexplicably planned for this (and Gordon even assumes this is what he WANTED), and he escapes by calling an explosive-rigged cell phone he has implanted in a random goon. His escape depended on the goon apparently being a ‘cop killer’ who is non-lethally apprehended and brought in to Police HQ within a few hours of the Joker’s capture, and not dying from massive internal complications. Meanwhile, before his escape, while all this is happening, the Joker’s men have kidnapped the person he thought was Batman and his fiancé, and have left them tied to chairs in separate warehouses, surrounded by explosives and fuel. Also while this is happening, more of the Joker’s men are loading hundreds of explosive, flammable barrels and explosives onto a passenger ferry, and a prison ferry without being noticed so they… ah, fuck it. It’s one of the most overly complex Rube Goldberg schemes in cinema history – I’m still not even sure how most of it worked or what the overall aim was, but the point remains – how much fucking in-depth planning and scheming and co-ordination must THAT lot have taken?! And this is one of the best films EVAR?

  • March 23, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST

    chewtoy

    by AssyMuffJizz

    Fainboy my ass! Fanboy yourself, friend. I think TDK is a masterpiece, coincidently TDK is a masterpiece, and i love it. I think CASABLANCA is a masterpiece, coincidently it is a masterpiece, and i don't like it. TDK is a masterpeice and you don't think it because you have a chip on your shoulder against that notion, for whatever reason that's particular and peculiar to you. The thing is, it's not my proiblem that if you can't understand TDK for the masterpiece it is. It's your problem, really. Maybe one day you will come around. Nothing is mroe condescending then you claim people being fanboys. Just because you don't know how to use a concept and you use one you know to otheras which is misaplied do not make you right. Many people who are fanboys, like you are, can't understand people who are nit, like me. So you shove it where it doesn't fit. Sorry, but you are mistaken. You real fanboys should start to realise once and for all that not everybody goes by the world with the same way you do. Deal with it.

  • If only he'd put on his C.V. - works well with others.

  • March 23, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST

    why is Nolan like Spielberg?

    by SmokingRobot

    Apparently both of them have problems figuring out how to end a movie.

  • March 23, 2011, 11:40 a.m. CST

    chewtoy, I always assumed

    by MurderMostFowl

    That his phone call was monitored. For me TDK will forever be amazing because I had absolutely no faith in Heath Ledger as the Joker going in to it....Even when he died, I was thinking "oh geez, now people are going to pretend he's did a good job just to not tarnish his memory" Then I saw the film and after 10 minutes with Heath I was astonished. It was truly blood curlingly creepy. I could say I was actually afraid of the guy. It made the memory of Nicholson's Joker fade into the past almost instantly.

  • March 23, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Did they shoot this scene with two cameras?

    by Royston Lodge

    I don't see a second camera in the photo, but if they're using two mics it might make sense if they were also using two cameras.

  • March 23, 2011, 11:46 a.m. CST

    BATMAN BEGINS made me forget about the Burton's batmovies

    by AssyMuffJizz

    I don't dislike Burton's Batman movie,s and i have affection for BATMAN RETURNS, but i find them pretty flawed and too circus-type and clownish, specially the first (big d'uhh there!). I don't hate them, i like the visual artistry that went there, Danny Elfman's theme is infinitly hummable and memorable, but i woulnd't worry if i never rewatched them ever again. I think Joker's jokes in TDK are more in tune to the character, more dark sarcasm served with ultra-violence then just a whole lot of smart-ass quips from Burton's version. And the Joker was never supposed to be a fat guy, was he?When they hired Jack Nicholson, that was a stunt casting (he evne gets top billing). When they cast Heath Ledger for TDK, the majority of the opinions was it was a mistake and he would never pull it off, it was too daring and many made Brokenback Mountain jokes about it, people where skeptical like hell. In burton's movie, Nicholson was a sure thing stunt casting, with ledger it wa sa daring visionary casting decision that only the filmmakers knew it was going to work. Thus, i respect TDK's joker version far more for all reasons involved.

  • March 23, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST

    I'm not sure how monitoring his call would help.

    by Chewtoy

    "Cops on the way" = Damage done. And in all honesty, my first reaction when he requested it was that he was going to remote activate the bombs around Harvey and Rachel. Giving him a phone call pretty much guaranteed the death of his hostages, yet they play the scene like he's asking for something so harmless, why wouldn't they give it to him?

  • March 23, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST

    I don't mind voice alteration...

    by BizarroJerry

    But Bale takes it to the extreme. So much that from what I could see, the single most often criticized part of the movie for those critics who really loved it otherwise was the voice. It's just too much. Tone it down a little.

  • March 23, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST

    geoffrey_fourmyle , I bet you ,like F

    by AssyMuffJizz

  • March 23, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST

    I bet you like FRINGE

    by AssyMuffJizz

    a show from retards for retards. Fucking piece of shit!

  • March 23, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    chewtoy, re: Bale's performance

    by WriteForTheEdit

    I think Bale does a pretty serviceable job in both movies. Yeah, the voice thing is a bit much sometimes, but again, as compared to most other performances in superhero movies, I get the feeling he's really invested in it. His Batman is a fairly unsettling motherfucker, as I like him to be. But, no doubt, he's surrounded by awesome actors most of the time in both movies, so he may not shine as brightly. I actually credit Bale for letting those other actors, like Caine and Freeman, have their moments in smaller scenes.

  • March 23, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    the fact the batsuit DOES look silly in regular life

    by smudgewhat

    is more proof that bale is great in this movie and the direction/story are very strong b/c you accept most of the implausibilities and still take the emotional content seriously. same thing with the x-men films. they redefined how comic books could be presented and we geeks have mostly got what we wanted - that characters that we love be represented with some degree of respect and realism instead of side winks to the audience (batman and robin).

  • March 23, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST

    firewhale

    by smudgewhat

    i did read 'killing joke'. i didn't love it. thought the artwork was killer - bolland is awesome, but not my fave moore. my fave batman comic story is probably still 'the dark knight' romp. i loved the sequel too but for different reasons. i also love the jim aparo era generally.

  • March 23, 2011, 12:34 p.m. CST

    writefortheedit: I'd be hard pressed to name a better ensemble...

    by Chewtoy

    ...in a film of this sort than the one put together for The Dark Knight, certainly. The supporting roles are all great, and Ledger knocked it out of the park. I like Bale's Batman (silly voice moments aside...), but he's a little too aloof. I never really invested at all in his relationship with Rachel in either film, for example. He's actually one of the least interesting characters in The Dark Knight, as a result.

  • March 23, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST

    i like the fact Bats is kind of deluded about

    by smudgewhat

    his relationship with Rachel. and that he is so invested in his persona as Batman that he is otherwise not a real functional human being. he's too obsessive to be.

  • March 23, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    chewtoy: totally agree that the romance elements...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...are easily the weakest pieces of both movies. I'm not sure what is to blame there: acting, direction, script, casting, some combination of those? I must admit that outside of "Go," Katie Holmes has never really impressed me as an actor (damn cute, though), and Maggie Gyyyleeenhaaaaal (sp?) is not my type at all. So casting really worked against it for me. As far as Batman romance / sex heat, no one has yet topped Keaton and Pfeiffer. Meow!!!!!!

  • March 23, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST

    A 220 minutes long Christopher Nolan Batman movie. That is my dream.

    by AssyMuffJizz

  • March 23, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    writefortheedit

    by AssyMuffJizz

    Christopher Nolan is a really very talented director. He's the real deal. i'm sorry if you can't see his excelency as a filmmaker. Can we agree that Jar Jar Abrams is a shitty filmmaker?

  • March 23, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST

    teh suk

    by AssyMuffJizz

    Nice try tring to say I have noi friends, hypocrite. Where's you the HAters who were so happy in dealing qwith absolutes before? Now that it's turned agaisnt you, it's no longer fun anymore? Absolutes are now a bad thing? Set, match and game, you hypocrite fuck. Game over.

  • March 23, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    assymuffjizz

    by WriteForTheEdit

    If I ever implied that I don't think Nolan is an awesome director, my bad. I think Nolan rocks. "Memento" and "The Prestige" kick all kinds of ass, I really enjoyed "The Inception," and his Batman films rule. I'm waiting patiently for Nolan to do his first full-on sci-fi epic. God, if only he'd signed to direct Terminator: Salvation...

  • March 23, 2011, 1:37 p.m. CST

    writefortheedit

    by AssyMuffJizz

    Yes, Nolan is a genious director, one of the most talented and intelligent directors working on the mainstream Hollywood right now. I don't call genoius too often to directors, but Nolan gets it in an heartbeat. I do think that The Prestige is nolan's best movie. And The Dark Knight is a masterpiece.

  • March 23, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Pawprint

    by J.B.M.A.

    I absolutely agree. It does speak volumes for Nolan skills as a director that I didn't see any of this colossal fudging on the first mindblowing viewing, but only later. I think 'Begins' is overall a much better, more balanced film but lacks the punch of Ledgers Joker and the impressive IMAX setpieces. TDK is a terribly COLD film. Everything happens in characterless office buildings or what feels like the same set of streets in the financial district. It feels like a contraction of setting not an expansion. The wider, seedier Gotham established in Nolans first film is entirely missing. Where are The Narrows?

  • March 23, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Royston

    by J.B.M.A.

    I doubt it. Nolan likes to shoot with single camera as much as possible - he's not one for hiding behind monitors but directs from the camera when he can. This results in better performances as he doesn't have to try and watch two shots at once and is better for lighting and sound. Two booms gives the edit options for scenes where characters overlap and interrupt dialogue or improvise (the script supervisor will note down any improv lines that are off camera to be repeated in the reverses).

  • March 23, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Moosemalloy

    by BlaGyver

    Yessir. Batman's the only character I've kept up with without a break since I started reading comics. But seriously. tell that story again. it makes you sound really cool.

  • March 23, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST

    assymuffjizz

    by elsewhere

    The Dark Knight is a good movie and probably the best superhero type movie out there, but let's be realistic, it's no masterpiece. I think you need to get control of your fanboyism. The Godfather is a movie I would (and I think many would agree) consider near masterpiece level. The Dark Knight doesn't come close.

  • March 23, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Begins and The Prestige are his best, TDK and Inception overhyped

    by performingmonkey

    They're still good movies, and TDK better than the overblown Inception, which just ripped off Bond actions sequences, made them boring and set them on 4 levels of reality. Leo and Marion were good but the movie around them not enough. Effects-wise, yes a round of applause, but where's the goosebumps I got from watching BB and The Prestige?? Nowhere to be found. Prestige will probably remain his best unless he performs miracles on TDKR (changing it's fucking title would make for a good start...)

  • March 23, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST

    j.b.m.a

    by Pawprint

    Definitely agree; it's testament to Nolan's skills that TDK all makes perfect sense on first viewing. It's not until a few viewings later when you give it a little thought that it all falls apart. Again, agreed - 'Begins' is the better structured film, but lacking in the Ledger/Joker 'Wow!' factor. Gotham definitely feels sterile and somehow empty in TDK.

  • March 23, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST

    I'll say this about the ferry sequence.

    by UltimaRex

    When the Joker says the "social experiment" line and you see the most of the civilian passengers look up dumbly, there's one black guy front right who almost immediately holds his head in his hands in an "oh shit" kind of way.

  • March 23, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Sorry, but it looks silly.

    by catlettuce4

    Looking at Batman there, he looks so out of place, and the costume seems especially ridiculous. It was a good scene in the film, but damn this picture really alters the perception a lot, makes it seem almost laughable.

  • March 23, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    writefortheedit

    by catlettuce4

    The ones to blame for the weak romantic element are WB, for they said Nolan could do what he wanted for BB, as long as there was a romantic subplot. That's the truth. Why they didn't immediately establish Harvey Dent as DA/Bruce's friend and use Talia for the romantic element in that film is something I will never, ever understand...

  • March 23, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Killer Croc & Friends.

    by JR

    What villains who seem "unrealistic" would you folks want to see in Nolan's new flick, I wonder? Killer Croc, Mr. Freeze, Riddler (yawn, boring) or even Man-Bat would all be awesome and somewhat feasible, with new angles taken on the characters and perhaps more suspension of disbelief throughout the flick (but who cares, that whole Batman getting "Calculator" ;) from China via cloth that clings to planes thing or whatevs was suspension of belief as well). I think Bane will look awesome (hopefully they'll keep his mask on, and they should stick to his true origins) but Killer Croc would've been fun, and Man-Bat released into this world would be sick. Mr. Freeze could be so interesting and strange as well. If I were Nolan, I'd see adapting these characters into his world as fun creative challenges he should be up for. Of course, if I were Nolan, I'd also see how crazy angry all the fanboys get at the idea of introducing Robin, and take that as a challenge to prove to them that he could make Robin relevant, cool, believable, and worthwhile. Bat-Mite too? No. Okay. Sure. No. Well... yes.

  • March 23, 2011, 4:54 p.m. CST

    @prestigeworldwide you're confused

    by cgih8r

    probably because I didn't give a synopsis for those movies. You may be responding to the wrong post understandably. I suggest you take deep breaths and try again.

  • March 23, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST

    And your screen name makes you sound like a real uncreative idiot

    by MooseMalloy

    It's your choice to like shitty, silly movies made from your favorite comic book properties. And please, I have no interest in your crappy stories, so please stop trying to get me to ask for them.

  • here are two reasons for that: 1.It bloated unnecessarily an already messed up,convoluted script and made even more obvious its big plotholes and internal logic. The same social experiment had already happened in the previous part of the story and in fact it was successful in favor of the Joker: Joker was holding as hostages the various hospitals of GC and demanded the death of the guy who knew Batmans identity.The citizens of GC went berserk and without a second thought they tried to kill the guy in order to save their loved ones. Joker had already won his argument.But then the strangest thing happens: in the last act of the film Joker not only recreates again a similar experiment but he loses it !! and most importantly the director stages the sequence in that way so that the audience can understand the importance of the sequence,have the two leads discuss the event and through the final resolution of it a message is sent to the audience for their internal process. and i ask: what was the point for the director to add this scene in the script,direct it as the final,conclusive act of the story and send with it a positive moral message which supported the hero''s world view and made the villain's point mute WHEN you have already demonstrated the same experiment in the story and in favor of the bad guy? 2. the movie is supposed to be grounded to "reality" and not only as the science and the way of the movie's universe works but also as how the people act and react as normal,average human beings.It is our world,our reality with a bit of imagination and suspense of disbelief thrown in it. The director has been very specific about the above,he has confirmed countless times that this is his vision and take on the Batman mythos and how he sold it to the studio: realism. and this is how the movie is hailed by the fans and the film critics,as the epitome of a comic-book movie who takes its theme and genre in the most serious,mature and realistic way possible. "Nolan made Batman for grownups" as a retarded fanboy had said about the fim in an older talkback. But for such a realistic movie who explores the human psychology and is bold enough to make social experiments for the intellectual appetite of the audience something extraordinary happens: Citizens and prisoners are trapped in two ferried filled with explosives.a maniac is going to detonate them and kill all of them unless one of them kills the other first. They didnt know that the police would manage to save them,they didnt know that Batman had a super technology who led him to Joker,their only facts were an insance maniac who they didnt know and they couldnt trust,10min before their death and a terrible choice. In a real life situation like this the people would have immediately lost their nerve and restraint,they would have panicked and acted like a frenetic mob which would try to escape the ferry without thinking properly the consequences. Its one of those situations were very real and humane real things kick in: the instinct of self-survival,the family instinct (there were mothers and fathers with their kids there right?),the need to save the ones you love and most importantly the all or nothing hope which makes even the most coward man to do the most risky thing in order to save his life. But instead what we get? some initial anxiety and then the crowd calmly sits down and quietly tries to solve the problem with the civilized method of democracy while occasionally some asshole tries to be the smart-ass but he hushed by his fellow citizens who are focused more on the protection of their morality values than the protection of their loved ones.and ofc at the end their morality wins over their JUSTIFIED instict for survival. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? But the problem is not only that the realism is thrown out of the window during the ferry sequence.As i already said we had already a similar social experiment/sequence prior to this event with the hospitals.And the GC citizens reacted realistically and opposite to what they did in the ferry scene: they were ready to kill someone to protect their loved. So in other words,mr Nolan who is truly one of my fav modern directors,not only fucks ups entirely the realism in the ferry sequence but he also contradicts and negates the realism which was demonstrated before that in the hospital sequence. Thats why TDK is overrated and overhyped.good movie but not great and definitely not the benchmark for the other comic movies to be compared with.FACT.

  • March 23, 2011, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Batman is suppose to be a martial arts expert

    by Roninf5

    and I was put off by the fact that he didn't use any techniques in that scene to shut the Joker up. Sure he pounded on him a little bit but that's neither skillful nor intelligent, which is what Batman is. Small joint manipulations, joint locks, and activation of pressure points cause excruciating pain, even in psychotics. If done right they will not cause permanent injury, though they can, and can be applied continuously for a very long time. Unless you are on some kind of pain deadening drug like PCP these techniques will hurt - a lot - to the point of the loss of bodily control. While watching the scene I got tired of Bats f'ing around and wanted to use nikyo kote gatame on the Joker myself until he cried and then nikyo ude osae with a knuckle pressed hard into Triple Heater 17 until he passed out. You know what I mean if you ever experienced nikyo yourself.

  • March 23, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST

    catlettuce4: thanks for that info

    by WriteForTheEdit

    Not too terribly surprising to hear.

  • March 23, 2011, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Also, regarding shifting opinions on movies:

    by WriteForTheEdit

    I know I've walked out of some movies and felt completely bowled over, only to wake up the next day and realize there were flaws (I'm looking at you, "E.T. The Extraterrestrial"). And I've also seen movies that I initially LOATHED, then rewatched years later and had a much more favorable response to. "Altered States" is the best example of that sort of thing. Hated it on first viewing, then really dug it. So I think we should allow that opinions on movies can change over time. But to go from "LOTR films are the greatest ever, ever, EVER!!!!1!1!!" to "They all suck and Jackson sucks and King Kong is the worst movie ever made!!1!!" is a bit much. It's pretty easy to get wound up when you're on these talkbacks...

  • March 23, 2011, 7:34 p.m. CST

    PROFESSIONAL!!!

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Just plain old professional.

  • March 23, 2011, 8:31 p.m. CST

    turd_has_risen_from_the_gravy

    by AssyMuffJizz

    I was banned aparently, my firend. Unlike Harry I wasn't piad off for giving sterling revierwrs of BREWRY TREK. I guess someone didnt appreciate my critiiques. For my username this time I decid ed to user the lowest comon denomitnator as a joke.Guess not a liot of people here get this joke here.

  • March 23, 2011, 8:32 p.m. CST

    assymuffjizz why did you get banned? in which talkback?

    by KilliK

  • March 23, 2011, 8:38 p.m. CST

    killik

    by AssyMuffJizz

    I d on't know which talkback it was.I took a break and then logeed in tow days ago and received a message saying that my usrename was blacklisted. I can still see my posts though. My convicvtionsx about, Jar Jar Abrams shit were going to get me banned one day for certain, I don;t know what I said theat did it, but it could likety have been anything.

  • March 23, 2011, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Something's always bothered me about that scene

    by strangewool

    Batman goes all Ike on the Joker's Tina yet there's nary a scratch on the Joker's face. I wanted blood! Still a great scene though.

  • March 23, 2011, 8:50 p.m. CST

    halfbreedqueen

    by AssyMuffJizz

    Let me guess: you think JJ Abrams gets Star Trek, don't you?

  • March 23, 2011, 8:51 p.m. CST

    assymuffjizz send an email to Harry,i think it has to

    by KilliK

    do with their login system,it is still a bit fucked up because of their upgrade. i was blacklisted too some time ago but i send an email to their support and after a few days my login was working again.Harry had posted a message about this problem too. Send them an email,at least give it a try.

  • March 23, 2011, 8:53 p.m. CST

    THE DARK KNIGHT > BATMAN BEGINS IMO BECAUSE...

    by Meadowe

    Of almost every conceivable level. Better writing ("It's not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me" is an ok line, but it makes Begins a lil corny imo), Heath Ledger's Joker (agree with the above poster that Jack was stunt casting what with him getting top billing, Christopher Nolan either really knew what he was doing with Heath or lucked out), the subtle similarities between Joker and Bruce (Bruce throwing out his alcohol when no one was looking, Joker pretending to drink his and throwing out the contents of his wine glass), the score, my goodness the score by Hans Zimmer, A Dark Knight and Aggressive Expansion, along with Why So Serious are some of the most played songs on my ipod....I can keep going on, but you get the idea. And oh yeah, in another talkback people kept saying TDK or (insert whatever) is soooooo overrated, I think the word is almost useless in regards to films, because they're so subjective to each individual experience. Anyway, The Dark Knight is my favorite film of all time, and I'm not gonna lose sleep with Billy Dee Williams on the other side of my pillow (family guy reference) if anyone thinks other wise.

  • March 23, 2011, 8:58 p.m. CST

    killik, I'm sorry to say this, but it seems

    by AssyMuffJizz

    ... Nolan understands Batman better then you do. At the very least you have a pretty tunnel vision and understanding of Batman. Me, i could stick with Nolan's vision and never had any want for any other interpretation of the character and his world.And his Batman movies have been so well received, specially his latest, that people were even talking about an oscar nomination for best movie and nobody was saying it fatisciously. It was taken quite seriously, without irony. And evne the Academy admited their goof with the movie's lack of nomination. Never before in the history of the Academy they mentioned a movie not nominated in their opening number in the 2009 cerimony. And came 2010, they expand the number of nominees to 10. This two actions are a clear admission of an "Opsy-Daisy" from the Academy. And all this for a movie about a guy masked as a bat figthing crime and a deranged clown, based on a comic. Which makes Nolan's and his filmmaking compadres achievements even bigger and better. Nolan not only knows Batman, but he knows how to make damn good movies. Which is more then can be said about many filmmakers sponsored and beloved by AICN and the geeks here.

  • idk if I spelled those correctly, but I shall use those terms from now on.

  • March 23, 2011, 9:04 p.m. CST

    killik

    by AssyMuffJizz

    Thank you, my friend.I will.

  • http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2008/10/28/christopher-n-1/

  • Regardless of who the person is and what he did,Batman will at least try to save him.at least. this is his moral code,this is his warrior code,this is his ethics,this is what defines him as a person and as fighter with a mission to bring justice and defend the weak and the innocents. We are talking a man so dedicated to his morality,ideals and way of thinking that he almost killed the resurrected Robin in order to prevent from killing the Joker because Robin wanted to get his revenge on the man that he killed him. (read that comic issue to understand what i am talking about) THAT'S BATMAN. Nolan does get Batman,but like Burton,he doesnt exactly get him.Not that i expect from a movie director to understand fully and adapt cinematically a comic character in its entirety,but having Batman leave someone die is a major departure from one of the core elements of his character and an insult to his person. FACT.

  • HEY! Why so serious clown?

  • March 23, 2011, 10:19 p.m. CST

    /\ Yep

    by Benovite1

    Sure does.

  • March 24, 2011, 12:07 a.m. CST

    and braindrain as their sex toy

    by KilliK

    HA you didnt see that coming now,tell me the truth.

  • March 24, 2011, 7:16 a.m. CST

    BATMAN BEGINS made me forget about the Burton's batmovies

    by AssyMuffJizz

    I don't dislike Burton's Batman movie,s and i have affection for BATMAN RETURNS, but i find them pretty flawed and too circus-type and clownish, specially the first (big d'uhh there!). I don't hate them, i like the visual artistry that went there, Danny Elfman's theme is infinitly hummable and memorable, but i woulnd't worry if i never rewatched them ever again.

  • March 24, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    This isn't Citizen Kane

    by Rupee88

    It's some dude in clown makeup talking to a guy in a big rubber suit...I know this is a site for geeks, but damn you get lost in it sometime. It was one of the better comic book movies...most of them suck and this one was decent. That's about it.

  • March 24, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    And Batman is a douche

    by Rupee88

    How many times does he not kill the Joker when he knows from experience the Joker will just escape again and kill hundreds more people? That's why most comic books are for children and those with childish minds. Maybe someday a really cool superhero movie will be made but hasn't come even close yet.

  • March 25, 2011, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Loved Burtons Batman films

    by Phategod100

    Thinking back I loved Nicholson's Jack Napier. Especialy the scenes where his girlfriend is fawning over him and his complete care-less additude, and the scene where confronts Jack Palance where is the last time you see the Napier persona "You set me up over a woman, A woman; You must be insane."