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UPDATE!! EW Source Says Variety's 'Insiders' Are Liars: Joseph Gordon Levitt Is Not Playing Alberto In DARK KNIGHT RISES!!
UPDATE!! Entertainment Weekly has an unnamed source "close to the situation" who indicates Joseph Gordon Levitt will not play Alberto Falcone. So maybe Levitt will play Hugo Strange after all?
Which Jeff to believe? EW's Jeff Labrecque disputes Jeff "MiraJeff" Sneider's report in Variety here.
ORIGINAL POST:
Joseph Gordon Levitt (“Inception”) will in “The Dark Knight Rises” play Alberto Falcone, son of the Tom Wilkinson character from “Batman Begins,” according to Variety.
The new movie seems like it might be more a sequel to “Begins” than “The Dark Knight” was, as it's also rumored to sport the daughter of Ra’s Al Ghul.
In the comics, Alberto Falcone is a broody Harvard- and Oxford-educated mobster’s son suspected of being the serial murderer dubbed The Holiday Killer.
The same story in Variety suggests 21-year-old British actress Juno Temple (“Year One,” “Greenberg”) is being sought to play a “street-smart Gotham girl.” When we last saw Barbara “Batgirl” Gordon she was still pretty tiny, so my suspicion is they might be casting something akin to a female Robin.
Find all of Variety’s story on the matter here.
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it was tom wilkinson who played carmine falcone in batman begins eric roberts played sal maroni in the dark knight
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March 20, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST
also, this just in... EDDIE MURPHY CAST AS THE RIDDLER!!!
by gruemanlives
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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March 20, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST
also, this just in...EDDIE MURPHY CAST AS THE RIDDLER!!!
by gruemanlives
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take it suckers!!!
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Seeing as though Eric Roberts wasn't even IN Batman Begins.
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March 20, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST
Eric Roberts = Falcone?? Herc, you're a seasoned movie geek, how could you??
by Pigdog
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I'm interested in seeing Batman be Batman for awhile.
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storyline....or nolan's take on it.
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I can dream, can't I?
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Maroni, Falcone, Capone, Corleone...what's the difference, right? All their first names are Mario anyway.
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Although I've warmed to the character over the years, the best iteration is still Carrie Kelley. If Nolan feels the character is needed, then make it a girl. The media will go wild with the news, and DKR will bring in the female demo like no comic book movie ever has before.
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PLEASE not Chloe Moretz.
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I'll take it if it's the Betty Kane Batgirl. Or maybe Batwoman. Otherwise, you're just messing too much with the Batman lore, and that doesn't sit well with the hardcore fans. Robin is an 8 year-old boy, not a 21-year old woman.
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March 20, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST
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by THE_CHOPPAH
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Oh yeah, this is good casting. Gotta keep shit in perspective even during wartime.
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Babs would still be at School and competing in gymnastics for her school. So Juno Temple is waaay too old to be playing Gordon's daughter. It could be that Nolan introduces the idea that Bats cant work alone , and so needs the Juno's character to do recce and sniff things out. If she is Cassandra Cain then we would need to introduce David Cain. But i cant see that happening.
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This news sucks. With that being said, I'll take a female Robin over no Robin at all.
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i want my ultra-cool, super-hero Batman back,the only mortal guy who defeated Superman ffs,not this pussified version whose most "heroic" thing that he did in the whole two movies is to leave someone in his fate and die or drop someone from a roof. Mr Nolan,the God Kubrick said that realism is boring.you should take some hints from that, especially when you are creating a comic-book movie with one of the most inreresting comic book characters ever. JESUS.
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Begins was great, but wasn't near the "event" that The Dark Knight was. I trust Nolan, but here's to hoping that the scope is as huge as the last film's.
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March 20, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST
You do realize that Nolan doesn't give a shit what "sit(s) well with the hardcore fans"
by rev_skarekroe
If he did the Joker wouldn't have worn makeup and Ras al-Ghul wouldn't have been played by an Irishman.
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March 20, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST
He wasn't the holiday killer either (the long halloween spoiler within)
by Rebel Scumb
It turned out to be Harvey Dent's girlfriend/wife at the end, when they stole the exact ending from the Harrison Ford movie 'presumed innocent'
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The first Robin was indeed an 8 year old boy. The first Batmobile was a red roadster. What's your point?
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True dat. Fuckin' Nolan.
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March 20, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST
Ledger was legendary in TDK, but The Joker is bigger than any actor
by American Mythos
So quit fucking around Nolan and cast The Joker so this story can be finished the way it was planned.
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The Spoiler could be used in the context that she gets killed by one of the perps. In continuity Spoiler got tortured to death by "Black Mask". So maybe in this version Spoiler is tortured by Talia, and that makes Bats go apeshit.
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March 20, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST
I just always prefer that Batman be the strangest thing in Gotham City
by Rebel Scumb
I wish Batman begins had been just batman fighting gangsters, with now super villians It would of made the 'escalation' idea in TDK even more of an event when the Jokers hows up Not that I didn't like the interpretation of Ras and Scarecrow, but I almost wish they had just introduced Dr. Crane as the head of Arkham, and just Ras as Batman's mentor, and saved all the 'destroy gotham with fear gas' for the third film.
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In the words of Sam Jackson, WHAT THE FUCK!!??? I hope this is a joke! Nolan can bitch about Robin all he wants but trying to change Robin into a girl is a silly idea. Why delay the inevitable. We know Robin coming so Nolan can either ignore altogether or try to make the REAL Robin all his own.
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is not Batgirl or Robin but just a street-smart Gotham girl? Not everyone in Gotham is a superhero or vigilante. Though looking at her, she wouldn't make a terrible Harley Quinn.
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Juno Temple is playing Holly... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holly_Robinson_(fictional_character) ...for realsies.
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To be fair, I'm pretty sure Nolan is on record as saying he never plans beyond the batfilm he is making at the time. I saw something with him where he said when they put the Joker card at the end of BB, they didn't even know the movie was going to be a hit, and it was just meant to setup that the world of Batman we all know and love had taken shape, and with the arkham breakout there would be crazy maniacs everywhere. He didn't know at the time how Joker would be realized or anything like that. Just like I'm sure he had no idea what TDKR was going to be about while making TDK Especially since everything Goyer said would happen in the third film already happened in TDK.
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March 20, 2011, 2:02 p.m. CST
Just because only a couple of years have passed in reality..
by FreeBeer
..doesn't mean it has in the movie. For all we know TDKR could be set 10 years after the events of TDK, and Batgirl could make an appearance. There will be no female Robin, anyone who thinks there might be is just, just dumb. And Two-Face will be in this, oh yes. Remember Nolan said The Dark Knight refers to Harvey Dent as much as it does Batman man..The Dark Knight RISES!! Hello? Yep, he's just keeping it a secret, as he did so well with the plot of Inception. The only info on Juno's character is that she's "street smart", could easily be Harley Quinn, hell she even looks a bit like her in that pick
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He doesn't even look italian. The Situation would make a better italian mob.
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Interesting. Not confirmed is it?
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That always seemed pretty clear cut to me. I know Eckhart hinted recently that he might be back, but it was as a flashback. I have a lot of trouble imagining Twoface still being alive. Plus, and this might just be me, but I always find that what makes Twoface interesting is his origin, but once he actually IS twoface, he gets boring pretty quickly.
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There is nothing in that description that even remotely suggests Juno Temple would be playing Robin...at all. In Gotham City, “street-smart Gotham girls" are a dime a dozen. She could be playing just about anyone. Maybe she'll play The Penguin. Or maybe she'll just be a “street-smart Gotham girl," which would kind of make sense if Levitt is playing a serial killer who maybe stalks and tries to kill street-smart Gotham girls. And though I'm not a big fan of Batman Begins, I'm glad to see them keep the mob element because classic super villains have become a crutch to pander to entertainment news media and fans. Putting Catwoman and Talia aside, a great Batman film doesn't require any established Bat villains to be great. All you need is a great story and great characters, period.
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Tom Wilkinson & Eric Roberts didn't do Italian accents really either.
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I could have sworn this had already been announced.
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Or is that still just a rumour?
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Not literally a female Robin, just a female that may act as some kind of sidekick, but I disagree, maybe she is a relative of Levitt's character or something, I can't see Nolan's Batman recruiting a 21 year old girl somehow
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March 20, 2011, 2:10 p.m. CST
And I agree not to jump to conclusions about 'street smart gotham girl'..
by Rebel Scumb
Remember when anthony Michael Hall was cast in TDK, and everyone was sure he was playing Riddler? Turns out he was just a reporter.
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Let Nolan be done and let him piss off already. This guy doesn't want a Batman/Superman movie or an accurate Robin. What the hell?
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..It seemed pretty clear to me too, but Nolan said himself that "The Dark Knight" also refered to Dent, when he becomes Two Face perhaps. I don't know why the title The Dark Knight Rises would refer to Batman. Where is he rising from? Where does he rise to? Course I could be overthinking it, maybe Nolan just thought it was cool.
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In other places online it has been mentioned (in the casting confirmation) that the character will be much more of a companion to Anne Hathaway's Selina Kyle and not a Bat-panion of any sort. Knowing Nolan's love for 'Year One', Holly therefore seemed obvious. It *is* Nolan though - so no definite confirmation as yet and she could end up being the Riddler.
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..This could be a cover up, in case he is spotted on the set, he can just say "here for a flashback".
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March 20, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST
I CAN ONLY HOPE, PRAY, AND BEG SOOO MANY TIMES!!!!!!!!!!
by gruemanlives
PLEASE, PLEASE!!!!! LET JOSEPH GORDON LEVITT BE PLAYING A VERSION OF CHRISTIAN BALE WHO HAS FLOWN TO GOTHAM CITY TO SHOOT A MOVIE DIRECTED BY THE WACHOWSKI BROTHERS. AND LET THE STORY BE ABOUT A DOWN ON HIS LUCK REPORTER TRYING TO START A CUPCAKE/BAKERY FRANCHISE ONLY TO HAVE IT ROBBED AND FINDING HIS TRUE SELF BY DEVELOPING AN ALTER EGO WHO THINKS HE CAN TURN INVISIBLE, MUCH LIKE KEL MITCHELL DID IN THE MOVIE MYSTERY MEN.
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Speculation is she's going to play Holly Robinson-Catwomans sidekick. Very doubtful Nolan will EVER go the Robin route,and he damn sure wont start with the Carrie Kelly version.
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March 20, 2011, 2:19 p.m. CST
She's not Robin, she's Catwoman's hooker friend Holly Robinson
by MrBoinfoint
From Batman Year One, the story these movies are based on: http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Holly_Robinson_(New_Earth) A young street smart girl that Selina takes in shortly before Selina becomes Catwoman. She's like 13 in Year One, but I can definitely see them aging her up for this. A Catwoman who is inspired by Batman to become a catburglar and get investigate her ties to the Falcone family (as seen in Year One/Long Halloween/Dark Victory) is way more plausible than getting licked backed to life by cats or whatever the hell happened to Halle Berry. So she's Selina's young charge Holly. She's certainly not Betty Kane, Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown or Carrie Kelly. Of course, I could be wrong.
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"Plain and simple — he’s done it. It’s a phenomenal script. He’s still in the process of cutting it back because it’s a very long script right now, but it’s really phenomenal."
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may sound atrocious, but it worked in The Dark Knight Returns and Nolan hasn't disappointed yet. I'd say go for it, a female Robin could be cool if she operates independently from Bruce and then meddles her way into his life.
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That since this is it's own universe they could very easily make her BatGirl, and have something happen to her later on at which point Barbra Gordon takes up the mantle
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..Just for small cameos to bring the story full circle. The appearance of Talia will also link it back to the first film
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Hoodbat: a street-smart Gotham girl, otherwise known in any other city as a hoodrat, is inspired by her city's Bat agenda
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It was evident from Day One that JGL would play Alberto Falcone. Like what, you expected him to play Ra's Al Ghul or something?
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Nolan's trilogy is essentially The Long Halloween which is arguably one of the best Batman stories, but of course you probably already knew that.
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Sorry but the thing I love about Batman is the homoerotic tension of Batman paired with The Boy Wonder. This'll just ruin the whole franchise for me.
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I'm hoping somehow it feels relevant the way TDK did at the end of the movie, but right now it just feels like generic hollywoods love affair with the word 'rises' and 'rise' The Dark Knight: Rise of the Cobra Surfer Machines
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You cracked me up with: "Is way more plausible than getting licked backed to life by cats or whatever the hell happened to Halle Berry"
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March 20, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST
That's "pedophelic and homoerotic tension of Batman paired with The Boy Wonder"
by noiretblanc
Bruce Wayne owns NAMBLA.
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So far the ownly super villian confirmed is Bane. Alberto falcone is obviously a baddie, but its seeming more and more like Catwoman is either teaming up with batman, or is more of a neutral wildcard character, which is how I think she always operates best anyways. Batman Begins had Falcone, Scarecrow, and Ras (plus faux Ras at the beginning) TDK had: Joker, scarecrow, twoface, all the mob guys, plus Mr. Reese who wanted to out batman So even if Talia is in this, its still no more than the amount of villians in the other ones.
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she could just be some girl in the movie, not everyone cast has to be some classic batman character
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March 20, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST
Like when Rade Serbedzija played the homeless guy in Batman Begins
by Rebel Scumb
He's a fairly recognizable actor, has had much bigger roles than he did in BB. If we saw a casting announcement that said Rade Serbedzija to play "a man from the mean streets of gotham who helps Bruce Wayne", I'm sure there would be all sorts of speculation. But he was just a bump who switched coats with him.
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March 20, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST
Put the fucking Robin outfit on bitch! Yeah, now I'm gonna jack off. Keitel style!
by AzulTool
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As far as JGL goes, he can play any role as far as I'm concerned. He's that good.
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I had the EXACT same thought yesterday. His script for Batman Begins: Rade : "Nice coat." Rade : "Thanks."
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Or any of you guys who call themselfes Nerds or Geeks!? She won't be playing a female Robin, she will be playing Selinas "sidekick" Holly Robinson. Herc... seriously, do your frikking homework.
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March 20, 2011, 3 p.m. CST
He's not Hugo Strange? I'm here to collect on that bet, HERC.
by little_lebowski
Don't worry -- I'll settle for bragging rights.
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He might still be busy boning his own stepgranddaughter.
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Given that Catwoman is in this movie and that again Nolan is pulling from the likes of Dark Victory/Long Halloween era with the use of rubber nipple covered pistol bearing Alberto Falcone, Juno Temple will hands down be portraying Holly Robinson, Selina Kyle's friend who is literally a street smart young girl (or a teeanaged prostitute according to Batman Year One). We already suffered breifly in the comics with Stephanie Brown as the temporary female, blonde, r-tarded Robin, I would hope that Nolan wouldn't put us through that again.
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He should be the Joker. No, he should, shut up. And fuck this idea for Robin. The third movie curse everyone talks about has just struck!
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No point in people getting their nose out of joint over casting until we know all the facts. Or Nicki Katt as 'uncredited SWAT van driver comic relief guy' in TDK
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I know Nolan debunked it, but I was really holding out hope for a silence of the lambs type B or C story to the movie of Batman talking to Joker in Arkham, and ending with him seducing Harley Quinn and getting her to set him free. A cliffhanger that isnt a cliffhanger as it just to set up that batman's work is never done. He wouldn't need to be the main villian or have any connection to the main plot. Just a couple of scenes like the one where batman talks to him in the holding cell in TDK, and a couple of short scenes of him mind fucking Dr. Harleen Quinnsel
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lmao if nolan did that.
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Nice guy but he just does slightly posed "Blue Steel" look all the time. get back to sit-coms JGL!
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March 20, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST
If I see someone else trying to convince me that Katee Sackhoff is hot...
by TheMark
...i'm going to have to question your knowledge of what words mean.
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It's amazing how every time something incredibly stupid gets said on this website it's always preceded by "I am Hercules!!".
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Very true!
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Robin is a rubbish character regardless of gender or species!
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I don't think she's gonna' be "Robin" or Batgirl, but I'm curious how this movie will turn out. It does seem like it'll bring it full circle back to the first movie.
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...The street-wise teenage hooker that looks up to Selena. Everyone who doesn't know or remember Year One comes back with crazy guesses.
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In speaking out about how much they don't really appreciate the Robin character, and have no intention of bringing him/her on to their films. Strange how the geek community insists on creating this rumor at every chance despite all evidence to the contrary. I guess that's what happens when there are so many movie sites that don't report movie news, they just relay it from actual news sources, everyone has to figure out some take to make the story their own.
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Since Nolan against Robin I would think he hate any and all types of sidekicks.
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SPOILER SPACE FOR A STORY PUBLISHED 14 YEARS AGO Alberto was one of *several* characters who assumed the identity of the Hioliday Killer throughout the story, including Harvey's wife, Gilda, and, at the very end, Harvey himself. The question at the very end of the story isn't who the Holiday Killer(s) was/were, but rather what Two-Face means when he says "There were TWO Holiday Killers": he could be referring to any combination of Harvey, "Two-Face," Gilda, or Alberto, depending on how much we think Harvey knew up to that point and how deep the "Two-Face" psychosis was. But anyway, yeah: Alberto WAS the Holiday Killer, he just wasn't the ONLY Holiday Killer.
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TDK is called so, because at the end of the film he is (or will be) considered a villain, and hunted as such. He becomes an anti-hero - a 'Dark Knight', if you will. This is Batman falling from grace, only to RISE again, which takes us to.... TA-DAAAAAAA; The DARK KNIGHT RISES! See how that works?! If you watch TDKR hoping to see Harvey Dent in anything other than a flashback, you're gonna strain your eyes.
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Literally a street-smart Gotham girl, nothing more. http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/1/18/SelinaHolly.jpg
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I thought in recent comic continuity, Holly has 'stood in' for Catwoman? So, no - not a sidekick as such, but more than just a friend.
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March 20, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST
I know she a friend of Selina but really Nolan can change that.
by HollywoodHellraiser
We really don't know.
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There is no need for that character to appear, Keep it him a lone wolf for now, no need to rush this.
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March 20, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST
Eric Roberts played Salvatore Malroni NOT Carmine Falcone
by Tarantinos_Forehead
People need to geed theire facts straight before the use the talkback and Herc was right before the great Tom Wilkinson played Carmine Falcone
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I used to agree that JGL was not very good actor at all. A few scenes in 500 Days If Summer really turned my opinion around.
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March 20, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST
Is it bad that IGN continually gets news faster than AICN?
by dead youngling
19 hours 43 min ago posted on IGN.
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obviously Stephanie Brown.
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Juno Temple will be playing Spoiler. LOL
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and this is a good thing because? if anything else,a middle-age arab actor emitting charisma ala Omar Sharrif,would have owned this role.Instead we got a boring irish knight dressed as a ninja (!) with a twist. And i dont want to make this criticism against Nolan,but i find it very "unconformable" that this specific British director has changed,and without the slight need for that,the non-white race of at least two very important comic-book characters and replaced them with anglo-saxon ones which also happens to be the majority of his cast in the three now Batman movies. No i wont use the word racism,i am not saying that,i am only pointing out that what Nolan did with the race of some characters in the Batman movie is not that far away from what Shayamalan similarly did in Last Airbender and got a lot of hear for that.
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Come on now...let's see the HUSH arc on film, dammit...
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They didn't even inform people about Stephanie Brown/Spoiler/Batgirl - clearly from the description, the character is based on Stephanie. Not only does AICN not break stories, their staff is very lacking in info.
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Didn't Bale say that if the movies put in a Robin, he's out of the franchise? I doubt we're going to see a female Robin... if I had to guess, I'd say that its more likely that we see Oracle.
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...But in Year One, Long Halloween and such she's just an annoying young prostitute friend. She knows Selina is dressing up as Catwoman, but she's no more a "sidekick" to her than Alfred or Lucius are sidekicks to Bruce Wayne. Pretty much all supporting cast members eventually get superpowers in comics. I hear Flash Thompson is now Venom over in Spider-man.
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March 20, 2011, 4:22 p.m. CST
Clearly Juno Whateverherface is going to be playing ....
by SteveasaurusRex
Harley Quinn. It is literally the only thing that Chris Nolan could do that would make any sense. She's clearly the most important character to the Batman franchise, and if Nolan didn't put her in the movie, I'd be so disappointed I would never see another movie again. EVER. He would be the greatest failure in cinematic history if Harley Quinn was not in 85-95% of this movie. I'm shocked frankly that this is not what everyone else assumes.
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She's going to be just some girl.
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She's Selina Kyle's friend.
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I really like the concept of what a talkbacker said--I think it'd be awesome if this one is set ten years after dark knight... i say that because then we might see the REAL batman... cold, unemotional, distant, and reclusive What makes batman so intriguing in the comics is that Batman is basically a sociopath... he has completely let batman take him over to the poin where Bruce Wayne is nonexistent... Batman has totally lost touch with his humanity. I also want to see Batman showing he's the best detective the world has ever known... that really hasn't come through in the movies yet.
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You're still correct in what you say - Holly is never a sidekick.
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I don't live on the internet, so can somebody tell me--has Nolan come right out and said that this is his last Batman movie? Has he said that this movie is the end of his story? If he has no interest in continuing to make Batman movies, I would at least hope that he doesn't "tie things up" because there has been so little that needs to be tied up thus far... just pass the torch to someone you trust or something... these movies have been great and there is so much more that can be done...
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March 20, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST
She is not going to be the female Robin.She is Catwoman's sidekick
by KilliK
Unless Nolan has Batman take her under his protection after Catwoman is killed by the end of the movie thus giving a hint for the next sequel.
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I don't mind Robin in the comics, especially Damian Wayne, and I thought Chris O'Donnell was a good Robin, but Nolan is not a fan of Robin and has stated previously that he has no plans for Robin in his Bat Trilogy.
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...Mr. Freeze. A street-smart Gotham girl perfectly fits that character.
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...Clayface. It clearly fits the street-smart Gotham girl description.
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...Optimus Prime. It clearly fits the street-smart Gotham girl description.
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Not gonna be Robin. It's Spoiler.
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March 20, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST
I MENTIONED THIS FIRST, JUST LIKE THAT TB'ER MENTIONED MICHAEL GOUGH PASSED AWAY BEFORE AICN, ALSO...
by Meadowe
This Juno Temple chick may very well end up like Edison Chen in The Dark Knight, showing up with only a couple of lines (he was originally hyped up as playing a villainous role). Then again, Edison Chen had that photo scandal, so that may have been why he was scaled back to basically being the Chinese dude's assistant.
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March 20, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST
What other arbitrary characters can we pretend fits Juno Temple's character description?
by JacksParasites
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She's just a street-smart girl, is all. My guess is that she's a friend of Selina Kyle, to demonstrate that Selina's character has a connection to the streets.
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Are you kidding me? They should have quit with TDK.
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It's the Temple where Ju's go to worship - DUH!
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March 20, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST
Laura Breckenridge would have been better than a Juno Temple
by mypalfish
She's a pretty, non-dykey Ellen Page.
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This is a character that has made appearances through both the Bat & Cat-comics, including Year One (in Year One she stabs a disguised Bruce Wayne before he was Batman). She was a prostitute and a friend of Selina Kyle.
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A female Robin being cast? Are you serious? This is the best guess of AICN? Silly. She's probably a character akin to the girl paling around with Selina in Year One or even better since this comes on the heels of a Falcone being cast... The youngest Falcone (name escapes me) is currently Catgirl and an associate of Selina. Either way... I smell bit part.
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This time the character Wayne is a self-destructing Charlie Sheen-like coke-freak. During one of his more severe coke/meth bends, he hallucinates multiple super-villians and he burns down his own newly rebuilt mansion. Juno Temple will play one of Wayne's many dead coke hookers. The real title will be revealed as THE BATSHIT RISES.
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the only reason to watch Greg Araki's Kaboom
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She's playing a friend of Selina Kyle and her inspiration to become Catwoman. Read Year One.
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Seriously, as soon as you throw Robin into Batman, it becomes camp. Nolan has said before that Robin will not be in this series. If you're so eager to see Robin in a Batman film, I have a pair of Schumacher directed films you can go watch.
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March 20, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST
I love how Young + Street smart + not even Male automatically = Robin! ...
by Steepdog1
I actually thought most people (like I did) would assume it's Holly... not jump to a conclusion that isn't even in the same zip code. Also, I love how the outraged people are Batman fans enough to be outraged, but not fans enough to know that a) Holly Robinson is way more likely given what we know already about the characters in this movie and NOlans feelings on Robin and b)...there have been TWO female Robins in the comics (albeit briefly) ... so even if it were true, its not this revolutionary idea that would totally ass-rape the Batman mythos.
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... and thank god for that. He may be fine for the comics, but not Nolan's batverse. However, I am starting to have serious reservations about some of this casting...
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http://www.slashfilm.com/hobbit-official-set-photos-released-production-begins-facebook-page-launched/
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Looks like it will have a worthy third film. Every single thing I've read so far sounds perfect. We'll see a rebuilt Wayne Manor with a proper Batcave. A new Batmobile that is hopefully more of a traditional Batmobile than The Tumbler. Catwoman done properly and played by a very talented and sexy (unless you're gay) actress. Talia al Ghul done for the first time and played by a very talented and sexy (again, unless you're gay) actress. And most importantly: Bane. I have no doubt that Nolan will blow us away with his interpretation of the villain who literally broke Batman. Tom Hardy is ridiculously talented and this is his moment to shine on the biggest possible stage. And f
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Don't they have: Bale JGL Juno Temple Marion Cotillard Anne Hathaway Tom Hardy That seems like a lot of heroes and villains for one movie...
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and following the Oscar winning and unforgettable portrayal of Batman's greatest villain by Heath Ledger, I have no doubt that Tom Hardy will make his performance memorable.
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March 20, 2011, 6:28 p.m. CST
Anne Hathaway is talented and HOT. But wrong for Catwoman. Just wrong.
by 3D-Man
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
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When you seen zero footage of her in the role. The same thing was said about Ledger.
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So nothing bizarrely mammoth about this on, just on par with the scope and stories Nolan's already established. Its all about how he uses the cast and villains, they don't all have to be the A-Story. Dark Knight had Joker, Two Face, and the mob. Batman Begins had Ra's, Scarecrow, and the mob. And now this flick has Catwoman, Bane, and the mob.
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the movie seems to suffer from the same symptom that most of the sequels suffer: Quantity over Quality Instead of trying to focus more on the lead characters of the franchise and try to tell a really great,solid story,the sequels usually prefer to reuse in the most superlative way elements from the first movies which were very successful or cram as many fan-favorites or stereotyped characters into the story which inevitably turns into a mess. Although i am pretty positive that Nolan will do a nice,balanced story and despite its great amount of characters and Batman3 wont turn out the fiasco that SM3 was.
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March 20, 2011, 6:47 p.m. CST
"Seriously, as soon as you throw Robin into Batman, it becomes camp"
by KilliK
I didnt see Batman:TAS becoming camp when Robin was introduced.
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This news suggests they are leaning towards Long Halloween, which I think is excellent
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To further the point I was making above, you could almost do a one-for-one with this cast and the previous movies: Bale - Bale - Bale JGL - Eric Roberts - Tom Wilkinson Juno Temple - Michael Jai White - Ken Watanabe Marion Cotillard - Maggie Gyllenhall - Katie Holmes Anne Hathaway - Ledger - Neeson Tom Hardy - Aaron Eckhart - Cillian Murphy
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To be honest, I've always wished he'd stick with one villain per film, not 2+. Both Batman movies feel sort of shapeless to me; I've always thought they could use some streamlining.
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They all get news faster than Aicn. I normally check all of those sites before I come here. I check Aicn just to see if they've caught up with everyone else.
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never heard of her, but she looks like holly robinson, so maybe thats where nolans going with this
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:) But Batman has always been the best when it was more keen to realism, rather than sparring with superman.
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encouraging.Because in TDK the truth is we didnt get a lot of Batman,most of the movie was about Joker and Dent. I hope TDKR will focus more on Batman and not on some kind of drama/revenge story between Catwoman,the Falcones and Talia while keeping Bats in the background. In fact i wont be surprised if Catwoman and Talia turn out to be a single, merged character since in the previous Batman movies we only had one single female lead character and also Nolan is known for not using efficiently his female characters in his movies. I also think that he is going to kill Catwoman or Talia.It will be a suprise if he wont.
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March 20, 2011, 7:05 p.m. CST
When tha virgin fanboys see the first shots of Anne Hathaway
by KilliK
in that tight,leather Catwoman suit,all their doubts and concerns will vanish in the blink of the eye.hehehehe.
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what about realism? Robyn has to wear more than "HOCKEY PADS".
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with every bit of info lol
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While I agree the TAS was far from camp with Robin in it, in my opinion the better episodes were usually the batman solo adventures I just prefer him as the loan wolf (bat) and I can never reconcile why a guy who relies on darkness, and hiding in shadows hangs out with a kid dressed in bright red/yellow/green TinyToons actually had the best take on Robin, when he was called 'decoyboy' and had a big target on his chest
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March 20, 2011, 7:11 p.m. CST
Nolan has said many times this movie will be smaller scale then TDK
by Rebel Scumb
He said one problem with trilogies/film series is they keep trying to widen the canvas and go bigger each time, but he said he didn't want to repeat the mistake, and since its about closing out the story, I'm expecting something a lot more like batman begins and not TDK
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_qALlUDt9o&feature=related what do you think? does she have the "qualifications" to play her in the Nolan movie as well? ;)
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March 20, 2011, 7:13 p.m. CST
Hatheway is hot, and I haven't really seen her in much...
by Rebel Scumb
so can't really judge her acting. She does seem like sort of an odd choice for catwoman to me, but I was unsure about Ledger and Eckart in TDK until the first trailers rolled out, so I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt. Would of still prefered Eva Green though. But I'd prefer her in just about everything, especially my bed.
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It's obvious. Just give him the Bond reins and let someone (an American, preferably) take a crack at Batman who fucking gives a shit about and understands the character. He undermines Bruce's will power and ingenuity on a constant basis. Examples: Bruce basically walks into Wayne Industries and finds all the shit he needs already built. First off, he wouldn't be so stupid as to use all that stuff, which would be traceable back to his company, therefore negating the entire stupid plotline in TDK with the dude finding out he was Batman. A big part of Bruce's character is that HE built Batman with his own hands. I want to see a Grant Morrison Batman. Just throw us in like BATMAN: TAS did and assume that everyone knows what's up. He's got the best, most well-known rogue's gallery by a massive Kryptonian long shot. My mother knows who Alfred, Robin, and Commissioner Gordon are. MY MOTHER. When the next inevitable trilogy comes around they need to do it justice.
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Why not just use Calendar Man? :-)
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March 20, 2011, 7:15 p.m. CST
In my lifetime, just want to see a 'Dark Knight Returns' style...
by Sigourneys_Beaver
Superman Vs Batman fight onscreen. Nothing else really matters.
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March 20, 2011, 7:18 p.m. CST
I for one really like the Nolan take Zurenarrh, but rest asured..
by Rebel Scumb
The next version of batman on the big screen will probably be very comicbooky and a lot like TAS in my opinion. Whoever takes over will want to distinguish their version of bats from Nolan, but will also have the huge shadow of the success of the nolan films to live up to. Completely different than Nolan following Schumacher. So the most logical take to do is the only one which hasn't been done, which is a really true to the comics version. Especially with all the Marvel movies out now that adhere to the source material so closely.
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Joseph Gordon Levitt is a terrific actor. This film has put together an impressive cast. Very much looking forward to this.
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...What if Rade Serbedzija (The coat guy from BB) is in fact the really real Ra's Al Ghul? Liam Neeson's "Henry Ducard" could be as much a decoy as Ken Watanabe.... Think about it...
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This will be an epic fail. Nobody gives a shit about a female Robin or Falcone's kid. Give us Killer Croc!
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If Rade Serbedzija turned out to be the big bad of the trilogy, it would be hard for me not to smile, regardless of how much sense the reveal did or did not make.
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March 20, 2011, 7:55 p.m. CST
"A big part of Bruce's character is that HE built Batman with his own hands."
by AshMcQ
What? Bruce Wayne is a clever user, not an inventor.
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...that Nolan is going to have yet another pointless "street kid" character like he had in the first film. Remember? The kid with the adowable speech impediment who Bats gave A FUCKING BATARANG to so he could conveniently give it to someone during the climax? Yeah. In fact, this time I'll bet they give the pointless street kid character the "everyman" lines. Y'know, like the ones they gave to all the cops during the chase scene in Begins, Gordon during the climax, and Nicky Katt in Dark Knight. I love these movies, but flawless they aren't.
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Carrie Kelly was just the first thing that blasted into my brain. The movie is called "The Dark Knight Rises" after all.
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This has all the makings of a hot mess.
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Seriously, if you guys want your Robin fix, and you're desperate for a Batman movie replete with homoeroticism, go rent Schumacher's Bat-films. And don't argue that "The cartoons with Robin aren't camp!" because you can get away with a lot more in a cartoon than you can in a live-action movie. Bruce, in Nolan's series, is still incredibly young, naive and unsure of himself - he's not necessarily the secure, fatherly figure required to take on Robin.
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March 20, 2011, 8:19 p.m. CST
Actually yesiamaplant, he gave the kid a nightvision parascope, not a batarang...
by Rebel Scumb
and it never got used again later in the movie.
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as soon as the Dark Knight had ended. Its the only way Batman and Bruce can be redeamed! Now well see if my prediction that Alfred will be killed in Wayne Manor. He will go down fighting as it is stated he was in the army in the second film... Robin in the film - I posted it would happen here and was called names for it!
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But it won't change the fact that Robin won't be in this series. PS, You can get away with a super-acrobatic, ass-kicking 12 year old kid in a cartoon - but as soon as you try shooting that in live-action, you start hitting walls. Good luck finding a convincing 12 year old who can hold his own against Bale, Oldman, Caine, Freeman and the rest of this Oscar worthy cast. Once in a while you get a Chloe Moretz, but you're far more likely to find the next Jake Lloyd. In short, child actors almost always suck. Why else do you think Warner Brothers cast a twenty year old Robin for Batman Forever?
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"Bruce, in Nolan's series, is still incredibly young, naive and unsure of himself - he's not necessarily the secure, fatherly figure required to take on Robin." +1. Sums it up perfectly. I like the idea of Robin in a bat-film, just not this one.
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He was 25 when Batman Forever came out.
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a teenager Robin without a purpose in his life and in the need of guidance.And Bruce does exactly that,he helps him in the same way that Ras Al Ghul helped him when he was younger and had no cause in his life. Ras Al Ghul relationship with Bruce during his training had no father-son innuendo in it,it was strictly a teacher-student relationship.The same kind of relationship can be applied for the Batman-Robin duo.No need for Wayne to act as a father figure/protector and no risk for unintentional expression of pedophilia/homoerotism. Personally i dont give a rat's ass if there is going to be Robin in the movie or not,but arguing that Robin should never been introduced in the Nolanverse because it will turn it into a campy self-parody,shows only ignorance.
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I agree that Robin, in one way shape or form, could definitely fit into the Nolanverse, but if it were to be in The Dark Knight Rises, then we would need to see a lot of character development for Bruce/Bats. He's still got a lot of his own shit to figure out. Maybe towards the end, but it shouldn't be a dominant part of the story.
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Sorry about that huge run-on sentence (read kinda like Harry's writing didn't it?). I'm kinda drunk.
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Introducing Robin, if it were to happen, should be later on. The thing is, I don't really care about Robin in terms of the crime fighting aspects, but I like how having him around humanizes Bruce Wayne along with Alfred, fleshes him out a bit.
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March 20, 2011, 9:36 p.m. CST
i agree Robin should be introduced after this trilogy completes.
by KilliK
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That didn't stop them from casting a 25 year old for the part. And if they're going to cast that old, they might as well make him Nightwing. Another problem with casting a cartoon/comic aged Robin in a live-action movie is sequels. In a cartoon, Robin can be 12 years old forever, and all you have to do is re-cast the voice actor when their voice drops. You can't do that in a movie series. Instead you'll have an awkward looking and sounding kid going through puberty over the course of 10 years. Then there's the continuity problems - Batman Begins and The Dark Knight's storylines were only 6 months apart, despite being shot 3 years apart. They got away with it because the cast was full of adults, whose outward appearances didn't change much in the 3 years since the first movie. You don't have that luxury with kids.
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Perfectly acceptable to me.
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Makes sense and keeps in continuity with Batman: Year One, which has already been used in Nolan's world. The scene with the homing device in the shoe calling the bats in Batman Begins is straight out of that comic.
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March 20, 2011, 10 p.m. CST
"Batman Begins and The Dark Knight's storylines were only 6 months apart"
by KilliK
Wrong it was one year apart.
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This movie needs the song "Coldbringer" by Naked Raygun. Of course, it would need to follow the Miller storyline for it to make sense.
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Whoops, you're right. "Let's wind the clocks back a year. These cops and lawyers wouldn't dare cross any of you. I mean, what happened?" But we're still talking about a 15 year old kid playing a 13 year old; and if the same amount of time passes between TDK and TDKR we're looking at a 19 year old man playing a fourteen year old kid. I still don't know how the hell they're going to pull off Hit Girl in Kick Ass 2. The comic picks up just a few months after the first one, and Moretz will likely be 16 by the time cameras roll on the sequel (if it ever happens.)
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It's either one long-ass 4 hour film or they better break it up into two parts. With so many people in this, even the characters are like extras in the background when it's not their turn to talk, just to give them enough screen time. "Ok Bane, when Catwoman is licking her chops, I want you in the background walking your doggie down the street. Gordon you're at the ATM, and Falcone, you are waiting for the light to change to walk across the street. Action!"
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suckers, 1st is for chumps
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So what happens when the movie is a resounding success, and Nolan (hypothetically) waits 4 years to do a sequel? Do they bring back the now 16 year old kid to play the 12 year old character? And where are you coming from saying these movies aren't about action? Did you miss the part where they nose-flipped a semi, drove a monorail train into a building, ran over and/or blew up a ton of parked cars in a tank? These movies have shit-loads of action. I'll confess, I could see a comic-version of Robin working in some way in the Nolan films - BUT it would only work well for one movie because by the time the sequel rolls around, the kid's going to be like Walt in Lost, IE 3 feet taller than he used to be and with a voice deeper than his dad's.
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We aren't talking about Jason Priestly playing a 17 year old on 90210 despite being 31 in real life. By the time you're 17, you've likely gone through your growth spurts, and have likely reached your adult-build. Put a 17 year old and a 31 year old side-by-side. From a distance, they look pretty damn similar. The same common-sense does not apply to a 19 year old playing a twelve year old, and let's be honest, in the comics and the cartoons Robin is a pre-adolescent kid.
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they he can stay a 12yo girl FOREVER! !!! ! ! ! ! !!
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Quote me. The closest thing I said to action was "You can get away with a super-acrobatic, ass-kicking 12 year old kid in a cartoon - but as soon as you try shooting that in live-action, you start hitting walls." Which translated for the Laymans means: "You can get away with almost anything in a cartoon, but live-action always present limitations." And you were the one who brought up the Red Hood in the first place, an animated film replete with acrobatic fighting. My quote was in response to that. So don't throw a hissy fit. So you go to all the trouble of arguing that Robin could feasibly be in these films, and when I come up with a single logical excuse as to why he shouldn't (age) you suggest that Nolan includes him and then kills him off? And since when did killing off characters make movies "uber-realistic"? They killed people all the time in the Burton/Schumacher movies. PS, I think your balls just fell off. Would you like them back?
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March 20, 2011, 11:01 p.m. CST
Is this going to be the Spider-Man 3 of the Batman films?
by Crusher Creel
Catwoman, Bane, Holiday Killer, Robin, Two Face, Fuck Face, Gag Face,... WTF
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March 20, 2011, 11:19 p.m. CST
Actually bat725, KATHY Kane was the original BatWOMAN.
by RobertoInfiniteTHEMoonLander
How are you gonna chide someone for not getting "bat-lore" wrong when you don't know what you're talking about? And Holly is not Catwoman's sidekick per se, but she does eventually become Catwoman II. My first thought upon hearing the character description for Juno Temple was Holly Robinson as well. I know I sound like a Mega Batman geek which I am, I just hate smug people who really don't know what they're talking about.
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...what's so great about him? All he's done worth a damn (barely) was be Cobra Commander and before that he was Tommy in 3rd Rock From The Sun. I don't see the draw...
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I was using happy faces and all that shit - and then asshole (that's his name) started acting like an asshole. So I felt that it was my responsibility to body slam him like an Australian 12 year old. Sorry AICN..... wait? What?!? Why am I apologizing? AICN is known for fights between level headed fanboys and twelve year olds who make suggestions like "Nolan should introduce Robin.... and then just kill him to, ya' know, make things uber-realistic." PS Ramirez..... gosh, I think they fell off my desk into the carpet, and anything smaller than a peanut just disappears once it hits that shag carpeting.
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I haven't read the posts here yet but I imagine that a lot of fanboys are bitching about a female Robin. This is not an issue for me. Carrie Kelly, from "The Dark Knight Returns" is my favorite Robin of all time, hands down, no contest. Maybe I'll feel differently when I read Grant Morrison's Batman & Robin book starring Dick and Damien but we'll just have to wait and see. If they're going to continue the franchise beyond Nolan, it feels right to introduce Robin in the next movie but not actually have her. I hear this girl's role is just some minor street kid, like the kid Rachel protects in Batman Begins' climax.<br /> <br /> Unless the next film is awful, I hope this series continues beyond Nolan. I'd love to see someone like Darren Aronofsky or Paul Thomas Anderson do a Batman film with Baleman and company.<br /> <br /> OTOH, as long as we're in this continuity, it just doesn't feel appropriate to recast the Joker. A reboot will have to be in order before we can see another actor take the mantle of the clown prince of crime. Just the same, I'd still like to see hire Warner a genius auteur to helm the further adventures of the Bale Batman if Nolan really is done with the series. I waited eighteen years to see Heath Ledger take the mantle from Jack Nicholson. I can wait a long time<br /> <br /> But the next film really does need a few in-jokes about that stupid distortion box that Bruce Wayne uses to disguise his Batvoice. They never mention the vocal distortion in dialogue. In "Batman Begins" they just show Christian Bale using some sort of black box against his neck, which we're supposed to recognize as vocal distortion. They never make any reference to Batman's strange voice in "The Dark Knight" and I think a lot of audience members think that they're trying to pass that off as Bat's real voice, like he's just speaking with a gargle or something.
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That would be amazing....Shes a fantastic character<BR><BR> Also , the BEST Robin was the girl in "The Dark Knight Returns" Period.
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Why say things are Gay unless your absolutely desperate to be rescued from your own sexual repression via a stud giving you his dick on a plate?<BR><BR> Very telling....
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I don't know about all that, but I do know that although Bane was speaking with a Spanish accent during TAS. Yet when I looked him up, his father was I believe British or something (King Snake). So maybe instead of having Bane in Santa Prisca or whatever they'll just focus on his actual ethnicity rather than his nationality. Then again, I don't know who his mother was. Just deliver a movie on par with The Dark Knight (even though this may be a sequel more to Batman Begins, it is taking The Dark Knight's title and adding to it) and I will be more than ok.
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March 21, 2011, 2:22 a.m. CST
and the complaints about Ra's Al Ghul being portrayed by an Irish person
by Jesiah
I don't know of anyone with Liam Neeson's clout that could have fit as Ducard/Ra's al Ghul that is of Middle Eastern decent. Even in Body of Lies, I was pleasantly surprised to find out that one of the characters that was Middle Eastern was played by someone of Italian/Australian heritage (Mark Strong). I feel he could have been a good Ra's Al Ghul...I didn't even realize he was in Tristan & Isolde until I looked him up right now, because he had long hair and facial hair in it. Personally I just didn't like the name being pronounced as Raz instead of Raysh, where in TAS it is pronounced as, and the episode in question is written by Dennis O'Neill, the creator of Ra's Al Ghul, so he would be the authority on how it is pronounced, not a hack like goyer. Anyway, just like they had Maggie replace Katie and ignore the differences, I hope if it is true that Talia is in this movie that they pronounce the name as Raysh.
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March 21, 2011, 2:39 a.m. CST
correction: Mark Strong has an Italian father and Austrian mother
by Jesiah
Maybe I just got Heath on the brain.
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March 21, 2011, 2:56 a.m. CST
Temple plays Selina Kyles friend as in Year One story
by Arkhaminmate001
This will become nolans Spider Man 3, far too many characters and plot lines, plus he NEVER casts women well.
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is to Batman 3 as SUPERMAN: BIRTHRIGHT is to the Man of Steel reboot. Goyer is an "adaptationist", after all. He doesn't reinvent the wheel, he simply pieces together a lot of canon out of the comics that centers around a core idea. Mark my words, this will be THE LONG HALLOWEEN. Batman will probably catch Alberto Falcone to clear his name, and just as in TLH will work with Catwoman to take down the Falcones. Also expect the Two-Face elements from TLH's sequel, DARK VICTORY. MAN OF STEEL will be basically the BIRTHRIGHT series, taking place in Iraq to make it relevant.
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March 21, 2011, 5:52 a.m. CST
you missed out 'you shoulda tipped better' when wayne was thrown out of diner!
by Arkhaminmate001
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I agree that TDK is overrated. I find it very difficult to sit through in it's entirety. It is still a good film, but far from the holy grail of comic films. Also agree with your take on the SW PT.
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First, Robin isn't going to be in this movie. Most likely, this actress is playing a supporting role as Selena's friend, as the Batfans who are knowledgeable about one of the movie's likely source materials (Batman: Year One) have pointed out. As far as the plausibility of a child actor as Robin, or in a Robin-like role, I just don't see it ever working in a Nolanized version of Batman. The closest we've gotten in the movies is Hit Girl. She and Big Daddy were essentially R-rated parodies of Batman and Robin. It only worked in that movie (aside from Chloe Moretz's performance and excellent stunt choreography that made the actress'/her character's actions seem plausible) because the absurdity of the very idea of a child superhero sidekick was amped up by the over-the-top hyper-violence she metted out. But bringing this idea down to a "real world" level... well, it's tough enough already to make adult actors in superhero outfits not come off as ridiculous. Anyway, I'd say Hit Girl is the closest thing we have to a Carrie Kelly version of Robin, but it's difficult for me to see such a character in a more serious-minded superhero movie.
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a direct adaption of The Dark Knight Returns directed by Guillermo del Toro. :-)
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March 21, 2011, 7:20 a.m. CST
@jimjamBongs your a dumbass ROBIN Should DEFINITLEY BE IN NOLANS FILM! HE NEEDS TO GET THE STICK OUT OF HIS ASS
by MerryHulkster
And just make it happen ROBIN RULES AND THE FANS WANT IT!!
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March 21, 2011, 7:21 a.m. CST
"DK is one of the most unfairly praised, insanely overrated genre films of all time? "
by MerryHulkster
@Viggeo_mortense agreed nolan overrated dull and sucks!
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March 21, 2011, 7:26 a.m. CST
merryhulkster: i accept your troll debate challenge...
by Jim Jam Bongs
OK, provided you are being serious: how do you see Robin ideally portrayed in a movie now (within the Nolanverse, or perhaps under a new director's vision)? In the "traditional" sense, Dick Grayson should first appear as a young, underage boy. But in the two movies he's appeared in (and the classic campy 60's TV series), he's been an adult (albeit young adult, but definitely not a kid). In Batman Forever, there was zero father-son on-screen chemistry/dynamic since Val Kilmer and Chris O'Donnell did not appear to be all that different in age from the other. In Batman & Robin, it was a little better with George Clooney but then that movie felt a lot like a big-budget version of the 60's TV series. How do you think Robin (and which version of him/her) should be depicted?
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I'm a self-professed Batnerd, and I immediately thought of Selena's best friend from Batman Year One. The actress looks the part. She's probably only in the movie for no more than three scenes, and gets killed (by the Holiday Killer?) in her last scene, which sends Selena/Catwoman into a blind rage for revenge, which causes Bruce/Batman to stop her before she gets herself killed, which in turn yadda yadda yadda. In other words, this actress is playing a plot point.
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Spiderman 3 vibe off this film. Gonna be a hot mess. Too long. Too many characters. Too bad.
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March 21, 2011, 7:52 a.m. CST
Batman:TAS DID become camp when Robin showed up...
by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview
...remember how they retitled the show and redesigned all the characters? Remember how they redesigned the Penguin to look like Bobby from King of the Hill wearing a tux? Remember WB's edict that Batman only fight supervillains and Robin had to appear in every episode? I sure do!
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March 21, 2011, 8:34 a.m. CST
Robin might work in a new trilogy under a new director's vision...
by Prof. Pop-Cult
If I were in charge of these things (oh, I can dream here at least, right?), I would have the next Batman movie trilogy emphasize stories that are rooted more in fantastical, supernatural elements. I wouldn't want things to be rebooted, nor would I want to see the Nolan vision absolutely continued. Instead, I'd have Batman/Bruce recast with an older actor (age: 40s, pushing 50) and have it be established that Batman has been Gotham's lone protector for over a decade. There's no need for the first movie in this new trilogy to re-imagine or re-tell Batman's origins. Instead, this movie would be the perfect chapter to launch with Robin's origin. I would want Dick to be a teen, a good actor who could grow into the role over the next two sequels. Additionally, I would have Manbat be the first villain in this new trilogy. As for what the production design of this new trilogy would be like: I envision drawing inspiration from the Arkham Asylum games, and shooting it with a subtly stylized HDR-for-video look/effect. In the third movie, the Joker would return. The basic plot would involve him breaking out of Arkham. Batman and Robin have a falling out -- Dick (and the actor playing him) is an adult now, and by the end of the movie (which borrows plot and visual elements from TDK Returns), Dick becomes Nightwing and goes off on his own. I really hope something like this will happen for the next Batman movie trilogy -- that they won't reboot the whole thing with a new young actor, but instead do an "implied" continuation that doesn't tread on Nolan's trilogy nor does it necessarily have to be tied directly to it. Basically, this trilogy could work if one of its main character arcs throughout charts the evolution of Dick Grayson from orphan, sidekick, to becoming his own man and superhero.
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Of course, no one here seems to be picking up on a couple of things about the title. Last time out The Dark Knight referred to Batman, but was also a play on words relating to a literal 'dark night' descending on Gotham. The title of this film will no doubt relate back to the 'salvation' of Gotham and the lifting of that 'dark night' (the whole point of Batman's mission), but also Batman - a la the end of the The Dark Knight Returns - either 'killing off Bruce Wayne' and/or rising to take over the League of Shadows. That'd be my guess anyway.
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If they were to do it and do it right, they'd cast someone like Cody Smit-McPhee...someone age appropriate for young Dick Grayson as Robin. I disagree that Robin should be left out. If Chris Nolan is as smart a filmmaker as he thinks he is, he ought to be able to figure out how to put Robin in the series in a believable way that works for this Batman.
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But I still don't see Robin ever fitting in Nolan's vision and world of Batman. Aside from the supposed "realistic" take, his trilogy charts the hero's journey of a young Bruce Wayne/Batman. The next movie will presumably be the finale chapter in this journey. To do Robin's story right, I agree with Prof Pop Cult that it should start with a new trilogy under a new director where Batman is veering toward middle age, that has a look and theme setting it apart from Nolan's Batman trilogy.
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March 21, 2011, 10:06 a.m. CST
Some directors can juggle multiple characters some cant. I think Nolan is one of the ones that can..he has already proved it.
by MRJONZ72
I.e Begins, Ra's Ah Gul, Scarecrow, Falcone, Mr. Zsasz, Arnold Flass just to name a few. I dont think you have to worry about Spiderman 3 as someone folks are talking about
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that face...
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March 21, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST
I will say Viggeo Morgeinstein that while I do like the Nolan films (and Buton's 89 and Returns), my fav version of Bats outside of the comics is the Paul Dini, Bruce Timm universe.
by MRJONZ72
If I had to chose I would def picked the Animated series easily over the live action films. If they do another series of movies. I would like to maybe see someone take parts of Burton and Nolans world and smash them together with probablly a lil touch of somethign extra. On another note, Batman Arkum Asylum, I think visually for the most part that would lend it self well to a movie.
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No way. Spider-man 3 failed 'cos no one knew what movie they were making. And to that end the script was in a constant state of flux. Nolan's strength is structure, so everything is worked out in the writing and it progresses from there. Spider-Man 3 was made on the fly, a bit like Iron Man 2. And - let's be honest - if this was a film being produced by Kevin Feige or Avi Arad you would worry about shoe-horning in characters. That's not happening here. He's picked the characters that fit his story - not because they fit some sort of sliding scale of fanboy tokenism
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Reveal that Zucco exists in Nolan's universe and get the fanboys excited that maybe, just maybe, there might be a Robin in the future... ...and then never reveal Robin ... cuz he sucks. Heh heh heh. I'm so evil.
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No reason why Nolan has to play up the Wayne/Talia love story.
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March 21, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST
Or maybe the "street-wise girl" is Silver St. Cloud?
by Royston Lodge
Who knows. Plenty of girls in Gotham to choose from.
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There will be no robin figure in The Dark Knight rises. If there is I'm not seeing it. I'm already ticked that anne hathway was choosen for celina kyle.
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http://tinyurl.com/47ow342 http://tinyurl.com/4rjap9e http://tinyurl.com/45eang4 http://tinyurl.com/4lzuu5x http://tinyurl.com/4hcb7px sorry, after two comments suggesting Ms. Sackhoff is somehow unattractive, an injustice had to be corrected. That said, she'll never be in a Nolan film.
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Cool news... it sounds like the last shots/scenes of Dark Knight Rises are going leave us with a beautiful mythological nourishment nod to whats ahead... Levitt sounds great for Alberto.
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...And all this Bane/Hugo Strange/Alberto Falcone bullshit is a false flag operation, but hope springs eternal.
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For the love of Pete!
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is one ugly f-ing piece of art. Calling it "art" is even a stretch.
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awesome sauce
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The Long Halloween is wildly overrated. Certain elements of it are okay, but it's pretty lame compared to Year One and the greatest comic ever written, The Dark Knight Returns.
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I realize part of the reason Nolan was attracted to the third was being able to wrap the series up, but I would hate to see it end with a door not open for further sequels, even if they are taken on by other talented directors...but with the same creatives onboard and cast in place as well. There are so many stories to tell, and Bale is still a relatively young man.
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Entertainment Weekly is reporting that Levitt has been cast in TDKR, but NOT as Alberto Falcone.
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per Entertainment Weekly, JGL is in the film but not as Alberto.
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He'd be a small part, probably all in Arkham, or appearing as someone we don't know to be the Joker. I guarantee that if he is the new Joker, he'll appear as someone else and won't be revealed to be him until the end similar to Ducard/Ra's in Begins. That's why all the secrecy, and that's why they leaked a different role that is already now being disputed. I don't know how they'll handle his scars of course, or if he'll be related to Falcone--we didn't learn his real identity in TDK after all. Whatever they do, I KNOW people will hate it, but I'll be very pleased if they situate JGL to be the Joker as the franchise moves forward. I just hope the franchise isn't rebooted post-Nolan like Spider-Man post-Raimi. All that needs to change is this stick up their asses about Robin (news flash, he doesn't have to become Robin in the same movie that introduces him as a 12-year-old), magic, Lazarus pits, and all the other comic book Batman elements that fucktard "realists" can't handle.
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It fits the timeline and the tone.
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March 21, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST
What about Coleman Reece? Aka Mr.Reece aka MYSTERIES!? That's gotta mean something
by ndally
That was either a huge accident that in tdk a character named Mr. Reece tries to extort/blackmail Bruce Wayne- Did they know Mr. Reece sounds like Mysteries? They had to. I doubt that guy will be the Riddler since Nolan has said "no Riddler" but common it's gotta mean something
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Ok, no need for the word play since they had a female Robin in the comics. I don't think it's necessary to introduce a Robin of any sort. But if they're going to, I'd rather they stick a girl in that costume than a guy, thank you very much.
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http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/03/21/joseph-gordon-levitt-dark-knight-rises/
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March 21, 2011, 4:27 p.m. CST
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/03/21/joseph-gordon-levitt-dark-knight-rises/
by mypalfish
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Period. End of story. Even in the literal, non-insulting sense... the idea of Robin is of the homosexual variety. Please, for the love of all that's good and pure in the world of film (ha!)... Never allow Robin in another movie again. Thank you.
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"Holly is a friend and ally of Catwoman. She was trained by Selina Kyle and Wildcat, and temporarily became the new Catwoman following the birth of Selina's daughter. At a young age, Holly ran away from an abusive home. She ended up on the streets, doing whatever she could to survive, and eventually began working as a prostitute. When Holly was around 13, Selina Kyle rescued her from a cop who was trying to extort her. Selina became Holly's friend and protector, and Holly was around to witness the beginning of Selina's career as Catwoman." "Catwoman" will probably be Selina Kyle getting inspired by Batman (The "Dark Knight" version of Batman that's getting fed to the press, not the fighting crime Batman) to become a cat burglar and also to find her ties to the Falcone family. Which will include Hewitt as Falcone's son. She'll probably be some sort of mirror image of Bruce/Batman; Bruce becoming Batman based on his family and childhood, Selina becoming Catwoman based on her family ties to the Falcones and what she's been through in her life because of it. But, since HER father or mother was a Falcone she goes into crime, while Bruce, because of what happened to his father and mother and because of what type of person his father was, goes into crime fighting. Hewitt's character will probably not be a full fledged bad guy, he'll just be a connection for Selina to find out more about her ties to the Falcone family. We should all probably get used to the idea of Catwoman having short hair and be wearing leather pants too...
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sorry
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It would be sad if he's not playing Joker, not just for Joker not being in this one (as someone said, in a small role). But because if Levitt is in it as Alberto, then the best actor to play Joker in a future batman movie down the road will be used up already.
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It's not happening. Get over it.
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Was going to be The Riddler...
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My take on that character is that he IS the riddler of the Nolanverse (E. Nigma was too on the nose a name for this take) and that is all they are going to do with him. A VERY minor villian, that is a riff on a fan favorite.
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First off, Nolan has been clear that there will not be a Robin introduced in his films, and the actress will likely play a character named Holly Robinson--a prostitute rescued from that profession by Catwoman. Secondly, JGL is still reported to be playing Falcone by Batman on Film. and they are generally the MOST reliable source for REAL news versus rumors. If not Falcone, the gang boss Black Mask is the next best guess for who he might be playing
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Heath Ledger's Joker. Put some makeup on the boy & he would pass. Very similar facial structure. Not saying that's the direction they should go, but it would work.
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Elena Catwoman is amazing. Me. Ow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_qALlUDt9o&feature=related
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March 21, 2011, 7 p.m. CST
Why do people keep assuming Joker would even have make-up to begin the next movie?
by kellycub
Joker was left hanging by Batman for the GCPD in the last movie, so regardless he should be incarcerated (at least at the beginning) of the next film. Whether this is in jail, prison, or Arkham, the staff is not going to let this character hang out in his cell with make-up on. Therefore the actor playing him could easily be someone else, even if only a cameo.
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If Hugo Strange is in charge, he'd probably allow Joker to continue to wear his make-up as part of his "rehabilitation". The difference is that Joker in Arkham would start wearing his make-up more neatly, unlike the way he appeared (as portrayed by Heath Ledger) in TDK. In other words, the time that Joker spends in Arkham under the influence of Strange is when Joker's look begins to evolve more toward the traditional, "cleaner" look of Joker from the comics.
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March 21, 2011, 7:13 p.m. CST
That British chick looks just like Holly...
by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview
...I'm generally against casting for looks alone (who the fuck thought Heath Ledger would make a good Joker after all?), but if she can act, why the hell not? Robin is a no-go. I'm gonna wait for the rumors to stop flying re: JGL. Also, christ Nolan, have Bale dial back on the silly "bat-voice" a little. I know what he was aiming for, but it missed.
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March 21, 2011, 7:15 p.m. CST
Geeks have a thing for ol' Hugo...
by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview
...I remember shit flying on the AICN boards after Batman Forever about how Hugo Strange should be in the next Schumacher-fest as a mad scientist who steals the Joker's body and resurrects him. Ah, the 90's!
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You know its going to happen!
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Why are people so eager to believe this? There isn't going to be a Robin character.
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Which would be amazing if it ever happened
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March 21, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST
I only knew about TAS version of Hugo Strange until a few months ago..
by Rebel Scumb
Where he is a short wimpy nerd running a resort to steal batmans identity Couldn't figure out why anyone would want him in TDKR or anywhere else Then I saw the teaser trailer for Arkham City, and I finally got it! Dude seems badass in that game. Wikipedia taught me a bit more Tom Hardy would of been a cool choice for Stange, although I'm sure he'll be awesome as Bane also Although I have trouble believing Nolan would have a villian who's name is Strange, and happens to be... Strange.
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They're totally going to do Final Crisis, Batman RIP, Batman Reborn, The Return of Bruce Wayne, and Batman Inc. in Batman 3, but most of the film is going to focus on Dick Grayson as Batman of Gotham whilst Original Bat Bruce Wayne and Catwoman Selina Kyle go globe-trotting for candidates to start their own Batman franchise. It's true, I read the script! It's gonna be like 8 hours long, really psychedelic and nuts. Parts won't make sense, but it'll all make some bizarre, twisted sense in the end.
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or Chief O'Harrah
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March 21, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST
Too bad he's not Alberto Falcone. They spoiled The Long Halloween for nothing.
by Huey_Freemans_afro
"Gotham's changed. It doesn't want your kind anymore. Now look at me. I'm bigger than both of you. I AM HOLIDAY!!!" (I know that's not exact quote, but it was a great scene in the comic.)
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March 21, 2011, 7:44 p.m. CST
their will be multiple Joker copycats in the beginning
by Anakin_Piecocker
mimicing TDK
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MiraJeff writes for Variety?? You've gotta be fucking kidding me. This is a joke, yes?
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Come out and announce the characters already.
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March 21, 2011, 8:05 p.m. CST
Can Somebody Please Tell Me The Current Headcount of the "OFFICIAL VILLIANS" That Will Be Appearing in This Movie???
by The Beast
Ok, this is getting seriously chaotic. I'm hoping this is done on purpose to either force Nolan/Goyer to "pick" a villian for a "written" movie, or prepare us for the greatest super-hero movie ever, because the Batman franchise is the very franchise that set the bar for DESTROYING ITSELF with too many b.s. villians. I don't want this to turn into just another Batman comic book. There's a reason I don't read them any more, and one of those reasons are because Batman can't support his own title anymore- he needs an endless list of stupid sidekicks and supporting non-heroes to make it "cool". There seemed to be a pretty solid understanding coming from the film makers and Christian Bale the Robin has no place here... I mean, it could obviously work, but we have to remember this is a BATMAN movie, and until now, things have gone well. Unless they're making a movie version of this "Arkham City" game, I don't see why there need to be so many bad guys. Joker proved you only need one to through the city into chaos. Let's not push the limits on the reality of that OR the limits of what is necessary to make a great story. My vote is for Bat-Mite. Just kidding.
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the new DA who is probably in on it with The League of Shadows. I'm thinking The League's new way into destroying Gotham is "Politics".
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March 21, 2011, 8:30 p.m. CST
So wait how many characters do they think are in this?
by Andrew Coleman
For a movie that's ending a trilogy they sure do seem to be adding everything possible. So not only do we have Bane, League of Shadows(Talia) and Catwoman will add on Hugo Strange? On top of that will be adding Batgirl? I really doubt it. I bet the "street smart" girl will have a minor moment in the film. Nolan seems to find talent to play even small parts. I might be able to see Hugo Strange but then how does Bane fit into the plot? I was pretty down with the idea of Batman dealing with Catwoman and Bane and then at the end the League of Shadows reveals themselves. Still I trust Nolan and having a lot of villains isn't a bad thing I know people bring up Spider-man 3 but that was a situation where Venom was crammed in by producers after a script was settled on. Batman always dealt with multiple villains doing things at a time so I'm down.
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March 21, 2011, 8:36 p.m. CST
Never ever EVER bring back Robin!! Turns Batman into a joke!
by IronEagle74
By the way, JGL is a good up-and-coming actor. I really like the seriousness he brings to his roles. He drew my attention to him in Inception.
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March 21, 2011, 8:53 p.m. CST
Unfortunately, neonfrisbee, that nonsense you describe sells lots of copies
by Subtitles_Off
because "it's so much fun! Batman was such a poo-head! He wouldn't let any of the teenagers drive the car! Nightwing is Batman for our generation! Yippee!" Just like having Bruce Wayne say something like, "I would just rather burn this house down." Or, "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you." Or, whatever. Oh, wait. Both Nolan and Grant Morrison are British and neither one of them "gets" Batman. Hmmm.
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Listen, the guy is hit or miss. He's a good director, but not a great director. All, but one of his movies (I'll let you guess) are too long winded and full of themselves. What he really needs is a new editor. Most of his set pieces are boring and run about 10 minutes too long. INCEPTION was a weak movie. An idea stolen(ooops) borrowed (ooops again) inspired by a number of movies, including Dreamscape and BrainStorm. I liked TDK, but goddamit, I'm getting tired of some of you geeks, thinking it's the end all of all movies. What an incredible goal to reach. Man, I feel sorry for Nolan when DKR doesn't meet expectations....and it won't.
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Batman in the comics now. You know - Dick Grayson - used to be Nightwing - used to be Robin.
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Nolan is extremely weak in the visual dept. his action scenes are mediocre B-unit like...he's good with character and plot, but you cant be considered a great movie director and be weak on the one thing that separates cinema from theater.
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Nolan obviously had a game plan with the Joker and Ledger's death initially screwed that up. I think Levitt's performance in INCEPTION made Nolan realize he can still do it.
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it's why it will be netflixed by me
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Can we just get somebody on a kick-ass Sandman Mystery Theatre movie or HBO series? I want a period piece, serious acting and writing, and damn-good noir... a DIRECT translation of Matt Wagner's series... because it would rock. It's the only thing I would appreciate more at this moment than knowing which villians are going to be in DKR. Then Starman. NOW please.
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March 21, 2011, 9:54 p.m. CST
I Actually Love Morrison And Nolan's Take Each On Their Own Merits
by NeonFrisbee
I don't think either are nonsense at all. Well, I mean, okay, they're both nonsense, but they're both artful nonsense that I *really* love. Especially Morrison's dark / nuts / surreal / pop deconstructo Batman. That said, of course it would be completely stupid to shoehorn alla that crazy into Batman 3, and it wouldn't fit with with the other movies. I was just jokin' around. I like Nolan's take on Batman. I loved TDK. I thought it was not only the best realization of Batman and the Joker, but the only American movie of the decade to really deal with 9/11 - most importantly, how America reacted to it - in a smart, allegorical way. I guess there are valid criticisms, but I loved it.
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March 21, 2011, 10 p.m. CST
merryhulkster, the fans wanted Venom in Spider-Man III...
by kisskissbangbang
...that didn't work out so well, did it?
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From a not so reliable source: "Christopher Nolan a huge fan of Harry Knowles Aint it Cool website, has believed to have hired Joseph Gordon-Levitt, or JGL to the geeks, just so he no longer has to read "JGL" in the subject heading in any Batman related Talkback. A friends neighbours Uncles rentboy had overheard Nolan say "Wish they would fucking stop with this JGL shit, AICN is where I go for all my info, Knowles is a film reviewing God, a fucking God I tell you." Harry Knowles well known for his professional review of Nolan's most recent Inception movie going against most critics and preferring cinema classics such as Nightmare on Elm Street Part 3 Dreamwarriors. His review prowess so accomplished he was able to miss 30-40 minutes through napping and still come across as the ultimate professional. It is understood JGL won't actually have a role, nor is he ever required to turn up on the set, though from all reports Nolan sets are well catered for so JGL may visit the set for his one meal a month. In completely unrelated news Nathan Fillion's friends continue to sign up to AICN in droves"
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March 21, 2011, 10:42 p.m. CST
Darth_Kaos: Good point about Nolan, I've been saying the same for years
by ganymede3010
Unfortunately Nolan is one of the few directors that even AICN fanboi's can't stop groveling over. He's the most overrated director in Hollywood. As you put it, his set pieces are beyond boring. I think they did a better job in Dreamscape in depicting the "dreamworld" on film. Inception used slow motion and folding buildings to illustrate the dreamworld. Which was lackluster and mundane as they come. I'm not saying I didn't enjoy the Batman movies, I'm just saying their grossly overrated. X2 > TDK by a country mile.
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alfred can be like "a canary, sir?" and batman responds, "no, a robin". bam you got your nolanverse robin.
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i have felt the need to watch dreamscape for ages. based on the cast and the great poster. well, i have never know a poster to lie as much in my life. it looks like it should be Indy and Temple of doom adventure. not even close. however, the idea is sound, it was just a bit crap in the end. Inception was great
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her name is Elena Papavasileiou and she is one of the hottest celebs in greek tv right now. I was amazed when i saw her on tv with that catwoman suit a few weeks ago during the greek Carnival. anyway it's Hathaway's turn now to show us how well the catwoman suit fits on her. hehe.
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While in general, in motion, when you see her in movies/tv shows... I think she's kind of odd looking. But those pics of her are pretty incredible. You gotta be into dudes to not be attracted to the woman in those pics. ... Or maybe you're more of a Polanski type who needs his girls in the 10-14 yr old range, and think this Juno Temple person is 'hot'.
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PLEASE SAY IT'S TRUE!!!!!!!!
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We will see Joker in 2 at most 3 scenes during the whole movie.one is in the end of the movie who will give us a hint for the BM4 sequel with him returned. another possible scene is at the start of the movie: during some kind of flashback exposition (tv news) we learn about the Joker and what he did in the TDK movie and that now he is held in Arkham Asylum. Maybe we also see a visit of Bruce Wayne to Arkham Asylum to see Joker in close contact and ask the doctors about his mental state,what made him like that,etc because his Wayne Philanthropy Organization funds Arkham Asylum and Joker right now is the most famous and dangerous patient so he is something like a public curiosity. Ofc Waynes/Batman true motivation for this visit is to learn anything he can about this mysterious nemesis of his. the other and most definitive scene is in Arkham Asylum.Wayne returns as Batman back to Arkham Asylum during a night and secretly visits Joker's cell in order to interrogate and extract from him some vital information he needs relative to the movie's plot. JGL will still have the makeup because the doctor who attends him believes that it helps the mental health of his patient: the man behind the Joker does not pretend him,he is the Joker so he needs his "face" to function normally even in this twisted state of his mind. Nolan will also cleverly use the light and the shadows in the shots inside Joker's prison cell so that we cant get a full view of the new actor's Joker face.Nolan will create the right atmosphere to enhance the JGL portrayal of the Joker and also to help make the introduction of the new actor in a more discreet way which will help the audience to get familiarized with this change more easily. Nolan will give this small treat of Joker to the audience and use it as a test to see how much the audience like JGL as the Joker and would like to see more from him.If this test turns out to be successful with a very positive reaction from the audience,then we are definitely going to have Joker as the main bad guy back in Batman4 with JGL potraying him.
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March 21, 2011, 11:59 p.m. CST
darth_Kaos, Inception isn't stolen, borrowed from or inspired by Dreamscape...
by kisskissbangbang
...(a movie I'm quite fond of, that I think is underrated). It simply belongs to the same subgenre. It's like complaining a locked-room mystery is a ripoff of John Dickson Carr. If Inception had snakedudes, the threat of nuclear war, or any of Dreamscape's other motifs, I could see it...but it doesn't. And much as I like Dreamscape, I do think Inception's a better film; but that's just my opinion. That they don't share any similarities besides happening in dreams isn't. (And Brainstorm doesn't even happen in dreams; it's about recording someone's experiences and playing them back. It's more like Strange Days than anything else.)
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...but disappointed you don't like Dreamscape. If you were expecting an Indiana Jones-type movie, yeah, maybe I can see it...but how'd you get that idea from the poster? Perhaps you could give it another shot someday now that you know what to expect; it's a clever, well-acted, well-directed movie that I think deserved better than it got.
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March 22, 2011, 12:19 a.m. CST
wasn't Inception stolen from a Duck Tales Cartoon? or an Uncle Scruge comic strip?
by Sovikos
Read about it sometime ago. Scruge or the Beagles maybe had this invention that allowed you to go into other people's dreams. And they were looking for a password or a combination to a safe or something.
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http://unrealitymag.com/index.php/2010/08/04/inception-was-stolen-from-scrooge-mcduck/
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March 22, 2011, 12:31 a.m. CST
sovikos, here's little something from Kristin Thompson about that...
by kisskissbangbang
...she does a fine film blog with David Bordwell that went into this last year. Herewith... There has been much suggestion on the internet, sometimes in jest, sometimes in earnest, sometimes half in jest and half in earnest, that Nolan got the idea for Inception from an Uncle Scrooge comic story with a shared-dream premise, “The Dream of a Lifetime!” Nearly all postings on this subject date this comic, created by Don Rosa, to 2002. Yes, “Dream” first appeared in 2002—in Norwegian. It came out in the U.S. in the May, 2004 issue of Uncle Scrooge (Gemstone #329). In 2006, it was reprinted in Rosa’s book, The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck Companion. The entire comic is available online here, and the published volume can be purchased here. The online version does not include Rosa’s informative afterword, “The Making of ‘The Dream of a Lifetime!’” which appears only in the Life and Times reprint. If Nolan got the idea from the Rosa tale, he certainly developed upon and changed it considerably. In fact, there are more significant differences than similarities. First, the similarities: 1. In “The Dream of a Lifetime!” several people enter the dream by being hooked up to a machine. Here it’s a radio-controlled device invented by Gyro Gearloose, who intended for it “to help psychiatrists examine the dreams of their patients.” (Gearloose was created in 1952 by Carl Barks to provide whatever wacky invention his plots required.) The receivers are metal colanders wired as antennae and worn on the heads of the people sharing the dream. 2. Waking up from visiting the dream is triggered by falling (see below). 3. Characters in reality can attempt to insert objects or situations into the dream by making sounds or presenting objects for Scrooge to smell, though this usually goes comically wrong. This somewhat resembles the premise that the jolts of the van in the first dream level of Inception cause earthquake-like rumbles in the second level and so on. 4. The characters frequently explain to each other how the shared-dream technology works. Rosa makes this humorous in part by starting the story with Scrooge dreaming and the Beagle Boys arriving in his money bin with the Gearloose equipment, which they have already stolen. He then makes the exposition deliberately clunky and obvious. One of the stupider Beagles asks, “Sure … uh … tell me again how it works?” There are then several panels of explanation as the group arranges the equipment to enter the dream. As they are about ready, one remarks, “But I’ll explain later” how they will get Scrooge to tell them the combination to his vault. 5. All of the characters who enter Scrooge’s mind are aware that they are in a dream, as is Scrooge, who has had each of these dreams many times. Now, the differences: 1. There is a single dreamer throughout, and Scrooge remains in his own bed. 2. There is only one level of dreaming, and Donald, who enters the dream to foil the Beagle Boys, returns at intervals to the bedroom to report progress and plan strategies. 3. Spatially, the dream extends only a short distance around Scrooge. If the characters move too far from him, it fades out, which Rosa represents by having portions of the panels go white. The Beagle Boys exit the dream, one by one, by falling into the white void (see below). 4. Scrooge passes through a series of seven recurring dreams, all based on real adventures he has had in the distant past. Each of the seven dreams derives from situations in Rosa’s The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck series. (The one-volume edition of this series is out of print, but it still is available in a two-volume version, here and here.) These dreams take place out of chronological order, and Scrooge’s age changes with each new dream. (The stories are “The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff,” #6, Scrooge age 23; “The Dreamtime Duck of the Never Never,” #7, age 29; “The Master of the Mississippi,” #2, age 15; “The Empire Builder from Calisota,” #11, age 45; “The Buckaroo of the Badlands,” #3, age 15; “The Last of the Clan McDuck,” #1, age 10; and “Hearts of the Yukon,” #8C, age 31.) 5. The rules are relatively simple. Crucially, Scrooge may be any age within the current dream, but he, being the main dreamer, recognizes Donald and the Beagle Boys. 6. “Dream” is designed to be funny, as when the Beagle Boys keep complaining that they’re in a nightmare, while Scrooge thinks of them as pleasant dreams. This is normal life to such an adventurous character. It should be clear that the complexity of Rosa’s story originates not from the shared-dream structure, which is fairly straightforward. Rosa is more interested in finding a way to rework some of the scenes from his earlier biographical Scrooge comics. The whole Life and Times project originated from Rosa’s working method of teasing out minutiae about Scrooge from the original Carl Barks stories and then concocting sequels or prequels to them. Life and Times is an attempt to use all the mentions of past events, relatives, locales, and dates to devise a biography of Scrooge. “Dream of a Lifetime!” simply carries that modus operandi one step further. The other big difference between “Dream” and Inception is that a reader who was not familiar with the seven earlier stories would miss much of what goes on in “Dream.” It was written for McDuck aficionados as a sort of game of recognition. For those who do recognize the seven situations referenced, “Dream” is quite easy to follow. For those who don’t, it must seem complicated and mysterious, most crucially since they won’t recognize Glittering Goldie, Scrooge’s lost love, in the opening “private” part of the dream. In contrast, Inception is self-contained and tries for a very different sort of game of comprehension with the viewer, one which would not be aided by knowledge from other Nolan films. “Dream” is also recognizable to fans as another of the “trick” stories that Rosa has written occasionally. These are not linked to Barks’s stories but develop some simple premise that allows Rosa to play with time and space in virtuoso fashion. These include “Cash Flow,” where the Beagle Boys buy an anti-friction ray-gun (Uncle Scrooge, Gladstone #224); “The Beagle Boys vs. the Money Bin,” (Uncle Scrooge, Gemstone #325), where the Beagle Boys find a map of the money bin; and my favorite, “A Matter of Some Gravity” (Walt Disney’s Comics, Gladstone, #610), where Magica de Spell buys a wand that turns gravity sideways for Scrooge and Donald. In short, if Nolan ever saw “Dream of a Lifetime!” it could only have given him a few ideas out of the many that went into Inception. kkbb: Hope that clears things up.
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same as the Frank Miller version, perhaps?
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I don't think we really need a Prey storyline for the movie as Batman: Arkham City is shaping up to be an amazing game and from what I can tell it is essentially Prey. The multiplayer sounds like it's going to be incredible too!
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March 22, 2011, 12:37 a.m. CST
You guys are missing the obvious! Joseph Gordon Levitt IS ROBIN!!!!!!
by BlueShift
braindrain got it right...
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I've cornered myself into an argument in which I have no real side to take, lol. I don't think Sakhoff is hot in any form other then those pics, so it's hard for me to continue this line of argument. Never been a big fan of bashing chics for not being 'hot' though. As big an insensitive jerk as I am, it's just one of those things that's always bugged me.
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...though I don't think kaos was being a troll, I just think he was wrong. And I also agree with you that assuming similarity means theft was constant with Avatar. People saw the similarities with everything from Call Me Joe to Dances With Wolves, but tended to overlook the differences. There are few movies indeed that aren't similar to _something_ (except, perhaps, for Eraserhead). But even when they are taken from another source, the differences count. A Fistful of Dollars _is_ a translation of Yojimbo; but there's lots of differences, too, because Westerns are similar but not identical to samurai movies, and Clint Eastwood isn't Toshiro Mifune. They're different experiences, and they're both worth seeing.
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Ah shit... good times. I do agree with Viggeo about PJ and Del Torro though... while not in the lower echelon of filmmakers today, they're certainly not worthy of the praise they receive.
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...both of your examples are great ones. As someone once said, "Taking from one is theft; taking from many is research." Los Bros Wachowski & Lucas did a lot of research, and it paid off (well, for at least one movie with them, and two films for Lucas, but that's another topic). Snark is not my specialty, so it's good to see that we can just talk films; I look forward to doing more of it in the near future. Unfortunately, I've got to go make a dent in a pillow. Please carry on, good sir. Later.
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Some might call that a "floater". http://tinyurl.com/4bap35z
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Proves that some people are just never, never, never, never, ever satisfied with anything. This is the best comic book film of all time and will always be. You will never get another film or director like it. In 20 years people will be complaining about why they don't make another film like TDK the same way we all complain about the fact that no film is like TESB. And TPM was terrible people. Please stop trying to build this turd up. How can we forget the awful Gungun cartoon characters, the annoying Tatoonie sequences, wooden Jake Lloyd, Obi Wan MIA for half the film. The only decent thing the film had was a good, but overly choreographed light saber fight, and just a little less of the orgy of CGI that destroyed the other films. The entire PT was a failure.
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I didn't read your post after the opening derogatory comments. Glad to see you cared enough to write such a long post.
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March 22, 2011, 6:14 a.m. CST
The Red Hood animation sucks and is for Kids compared to Nolans Batman films
by Smack_Teddy
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March 22, 2011, 6:18 a.m. CST
Robin is a gay as you are for young boys/men dressed in the robin costume and being Robin and assisting Batman
by Smack_Teddy
Fast and Furious by comparison, is just homo erotically uber super Gay in subtext
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personally i think he would be a great Dick Grayson (this DOES NOT have to mean he is Robin by the end of this film), or another very creepy eerie fella from the villains list were not thinking off... Or a certain cop, one of Gothams badass finest in the task force along with Renee.
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March 22, 2011, 6:43 a.m. CST
Joseph Gordon Levitt will be playing Hugo Strange in "The Dark Knight Rises"...
by Arafel
...AND YOU MOTHERFUCKING PRAWNS KNOW IT!!!
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care to elaborate?...or do you just want call it like a juvenile?
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Which is surprising, seeing as we agree on a lot. Seriously, did we watch the same movie (Red Hood)? I was really looking forward to it, but thought it was pretty crap, weak sauce so to speak. I fin Mask of The Phantasm richer and more effective in the cinematic medium, for all its flaws or limitations. I'm not sure you understand what juvenile or immature is Viggo.
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March 22, 2011, 7:13 a.m. CST
Give it up for some Dick Tracy love. One of my favorites as a kid
by stu_pickles
Glad to see it's mention somewhere sometime.
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I believe ya Jeff! Challenge another Jeff to a fight on the internet...it's the only way to settle it!
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The scene towards the end with Batman, Red Hood, and the Joker was everything viggo described and more. Very intense, dramatic, and thought provoking. I did very much enjoy both of Nolan's Batman films. That being said, I liked Batman Begins better than TDK. BB felt like a comic-book movie. TDK, while a fine piece of cinema IMO, took itself way too seriously to be a comic book film. Some people enjoy that and that's fine. I am very curious to see where Nolan takes this one.
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March 22, 2011, 8:47 a.m. CST
red hood needed better animation and direction to it though
by Smack_Teddy
those moments: great for comics, but they end up falling a bit flat in the audio-visual medium. I feel like whereas All Star Superman held up here, they dropped the ball a bit with Red Hood. But i also agree TDK is not flawless, and ive actually watched BB a lot more time, but it annoys me that just because you can really appreciate a film like that and lets say Inception for what it is the pop-culture hemisphere, you must instantly be a rose tinted Nolan fan/worshiper/cocksucker... jeez that just ignorant and infantile in perspective... those movies are SO damn good for what they are, and identifying that is not fellating them or their makers blind. Same reason i guess why im not fawning over Red Hood, as much as i like it.
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March 22, 2011, 9:23 a.m. CST
Looks like the Captain America trailer gets released today.
by Chewtoy
Apparently Entertainment Tonight ran a promo of it yesterday. Hopefully a non-ET branded version of the full trailer will quickly follow their airing of it.
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The most realistic version of Robin: no specific skill-set except for being a street-smart punk, young and defiant as most teens are, and eventually gets killed because c'mon, a teen crusader can not actually go up against adult baddies and survive.
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Batman On Film claims he will be playing xxxxx xxxx. Let the speculating begin. I'm guessing it's Jason Todd.
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March 22, 2011, 10:20 a.m. CST
Yeah, full Cap trailer has got me excited 'cause it shows his shield coming back to him... and he THROWS IT!
by Astronut
Looks dope as hail.
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shhh
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Snap!
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From 0:51 onward is outstanding!
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...And I agree, the confrontation on DeathStarII is the high point of Jedi. That works fine. But like many, I'd have preferred Wookiees to Ewoks, and honestly, something besides a second Death Star, even though it makes sense. After all, the US didn't come up with a new weapon to take out Nagasaki. But, in as imaginative a series of movies as the first two, I wanted the capper to stay imaginative, and the Death Star feels like a retread. Illogical, I know... I like TDK better than you, but if I disliked it as much as you do, and everyone else just loved it, I might get a bit edgy, too. Wish I could hang, but work demands my presence. See you around.
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no way!...Cort if my money is where my mouth is. Otherwise Grayson over Todd, anyday.
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Grayson is the most interesting Robin, with the best backstory, the most logistical as far as a teen who could BE a crime-fighter (what with him being one of the greatest athletes in the world) and also the fact that his fighting style and skillsets are so different than The Batman's. He almost uses the buildings and fire escapes etc. as a playground, the way Spider-Man does (without the powers and of course not to Spidey's extremes) because Grayson is one of the world's greatest acrobats. Tim Drake is a great Robin in the sense that he is an ordinary kid who was put into intense training, both mentally and physically. While people could live vicariously through Drake, and he is the more realistic version, the Grayson backstory works better for Wayne to relate to, and as well he is just cooler overall. Jason Todd deserved to die and this new Robin, who is Batman's kid, is, I suppose, an interesting angle (not him being Wayne's kid, but him being a trained assassin with a violent streak). But Grayson is best. ALSO, the costume doesn't have to be lame. There are cool versions of Robin's costume out there, like an all-crimson one. But here's one example: http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/219/4/b/The_Dark_Knight_x_Robin_2_by_qBATMANp.jpg And another (though his hair would be left at crime scenes and DNA testing could identify him, which is a big issue in Nolan's realistic world probably): http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/16539/batmanRobinDark.jpg AND LASTLY: http://www.shadowlocked.com/images/stories/features/2011/002_February/7/robin_the_dark_knight_rises.jpg
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Sha-Bam! Holy POINT PROVEN, BatLads.
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Whether you like it or not. Just look at his face, he could be Ledger's kid brother. Nolan will make it work.
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Thanks for the original comment. No one has ever said that before. Fool.
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March 22, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST
Nice, that little hint of ***** **** confirms my suspicions of JGL's character...
by KinkyWizard
...he's playing Vicki Vale. Totally saw that one coming
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March 22, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST
Nice, that little hint of ***** **** confirms my suspicions of JGL's character...
by KinkyWizard
...he's playing Vicki Vale. Totally saw that one coming
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Was to have the Joker be like Hannibal Lector in Arkham... I think that probably still the angle... limited scenes with JGL as the joker and maybe even use some CGI to make him look more like Ledger.
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see 'Brick' and 'The Lookout'
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Sorry to offend, i don't have time to read every single post, some people work for a living. Keep looking mate, something will come up. There's a job for everyone out there, even people like you.
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He could stand to gain some pounds, but he looks like Ledger without any help. I think he'll be playing a character who won't know IS the Joker until the end of the movie similar to how Ra's was revealed in Begins. But I don't know how they'll handle the scars. Maybe they use the Lazarus Pits to heal him for some plot but at the end he re-scars himself and gets in the "why so serious" line before credits roll. Ha! I know, pretentious pricks will hate it!
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Variety and EW are fighting it over.
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I can see Black Mask and the Society being tied in with the League of Shadows
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March 22, 2011, 6:16 p.m. CST
its awesome your identity is not the one a bunch of mugs are all calling and tripping over
by Smack_Teddy
ego rant out!
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...ego rant out
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March 22, 2011, 6:18 p.m. CST
MiraJeff...didn't he get his ass kicked or something?
by Yeah I Wrote That
bahaha.
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I'm with you braindrain, I haven't heard anything about him. I'm hopeful he'll show up though to supply us with the new full-on batmobile and batcave, which I think is an absolute MUST for this movie.
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It is the movie where Vader becomes Palpatine's bitch in the most ridiculous way possible. -Anakin: I see a dream that my wife dies.I want to do anything in my power to protect her from any danger even death itself. -Palpatin: Well i knew someone,he is dead now,who had discovered the secret of defeating death through resurrection. -Anakin: So why he didnt use it to himself? -Palpa: How the fuck should i know? Do you need my help saving the bitch who supposedly is going to die because you have dreamed of it but you didnt even have the common sense to talk about this to your FUCKING WIFE,yes or no? -Ana: Well yeah sure. -Palpa: Ok but i need a favor to help you. -Ana: shoot man. -Palpa: i want to cut the head of that Jedi Pimp and save my life. -Ana: Sure why not,afterall he is a black dude in a pulp movie he is going to die sooner or later. kkkzzzzzz kvzin AAAARGG AAHAHAHAHAHAH -Ana: there done.so tell me the secret of defeating death in order to save my bitch,eer my wfe. -Palpa: well,er,you see i dont know the secret ..yet.That guy who knew it and died,well he died before telling it to me.But no worries,no worries we are now together in this,we can help each other and discover the secret.eventually. -Ana: oh,ah, ok cool.no problem.we can take our time and discover this secret,its not that my dream told me when my wife is going to die.maybe it today or after 20 years.who knows.the important thing is that i didnt kill that Jedi Pimp for nothing because i tricked by your ridiculously obvious lies,right? -Palpa: well yeah thats correct...so what are you going to do next? -Ana: i will go and kill a bunch of kids,my wife and my mentor because after all our movie is for kids having fun and buy our toys and videogames. -Palpa: you are right.well cy later. and good luck with your killings. -Ana: vvvzzzzz thank you. yeah better script indeed...
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Joker is imprisoned in AA. He is questioned by batman for information on the Riddler through a glass wall. But the Joker answers in barely audible sounds, refusing to leave his cowered state in the dark shadowy corner of the room. Enter Harley Quinn. In the Nolanverse Harley Quinn could be a doctor at AA who tries to cure Joker by fixing his facial scars. Not only does she try to 'cure' Joker from his physical scars, but also his emotional and psychic scarring. And to accomplish that she attempts to bring Joker back to a state before he becomes the psychopath we all know him to be. Quinn uses extensive shock, drug, and other psychiatric therapies to help Joker get back to the man he once was. Going so far as to not only remove his scars, but also perform plastic surgery designed to make him look younger, like he did before he was scarred up and became the Joker. But while the physical aspects work fine, psychological ones do not. Quinn allows Joker to take more and more liberties with his treatment, allowing him to once again don his Jokers 'mask'. Except this time in a neat 'classic' form. Joker is able to turn the tables on Quinn and turns their relationship on its head. During their therapy sessions it seems as if the Joker is the one in charge now, he has all the power and she is sort of enthralled to him. Through Quinn the Joker is able to send out cryptic messages to the media. All designed to create chaos within the Gotham underworld as well as to confuse the authorities and to trick Batman into compromising situations. Except nobody knows this is coming from the Joker. He is supposed to be in lockdown, with no contact to the outside world. The media believes this to be a new villain who they dub "the Riddler". Quinn facilitates the Jokers escape, and helps him on his plan to seek revenge on Batman, at which point he reveals himself to be both the Joker and the Riddler. Split Personality 4 the win.
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he IS PERFECT...joker needs to come back; batman: you seem different joker; death changes a man
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but the scene that this scene establishes and follows later: when Anakin and the Jedi Pimp go to face Palpatin,and Palpatin gives him a dillema: either let the Jedi catch/kill him or help him so that he can save his wife. Anakin ofc helps him by cutting the Pimp's hand,Palpa then kills the Pimp,congratulates Anakin for his choice and THEN stands up and tells him: i dont know the secret to defeat death and help your wife.but we can work together and find it. And Anakin sits there like the stupid fuck that he is while his wife is supposedly in an imminent life-threating dangerand and he says: DUH,ok mr Palpatin sir whatever you say. sorry Turd but this is a HUGE flaw in ROTS already idiotic story (premonition? really that's how the doomed fall of Anakin started?) and it is one of the main criticisms against ROTS expressed from many reviewers and fans.
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March 23, 2011, 1:49 a.m. CST
JGL is now 2 years older than Ledger was at the time of his death
by American Mythos
So he's no young Joker or anyone's kid brother. And he's a great fucking actor -- whoever says otherwise isn't being objective. Watch Brick, 500 Days of Summer, Mysterious Skin, to name a few. Hell, watch the Saturday Night Live he hosted. I've never seen anyone bring more manic enthusiasm to hosting that show as JGL did. He needs a role where he can be truly insane, and The Joker would provide just that.
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what Palpa did in the entire Prequel Trilogy and especially in ROTS is nothing like that.Have you seen Red Letter Media's reviews? he is right on target on this specific matter.
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And tired of all these over hyped announcements. Bah. I'm interested to see who will be playing what roles, but as of this moment, I'm out. Bugger this circus. And Liam Neeson was publicly Henri Ducard- an asiatic Frenchman would have caused no end of confusion for the typical audience. Plus, Ras WAS actually played (at least the public Ras) by Japanese Ken Watanabe.
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HAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAHA
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March 23, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST
One thing I wish Mr. Plinkett had spoofed in his ROTS review
by Rebel Scumb
Yoda tells Anakin missing people is the path to the dark side (which is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard). Then later in the movie Yoda tells Chewbacca he will miss him. Ok I promise this will be my only starwars related comment in this talk back,
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Mixed up also rely on grammar check because they don't know when to use those terms unless they pay really, really close attention. :D
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