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Exclusive: RED DAWN Producer Tripp Vinson Addresses The Nationality Shift Of The Remake's Villains!
Beaks here...
I just got off the phone with RED DAWN producer Tripp Vinson, who is understandably concerned with the reaction to yesterday's LA Times article in which it was revealed that the film's invading force would now, via digital trickery, hail from North Korea instead of China. I know Vinson and the rest of the team behind the RED DAWN remake have been incredibly frustrated with their film getting shelved for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with its quality. The simple fact of that matter is that MGM is bankrupt, and, as a result, could not release the movie as planned last November.
And now they're getting criticized for digitally altering their villains in order to make the film more appealing to potential distributors.
While this is certainly a rare occurrence, Vinson believes the changes have actually made the film scarier and, perhaps, stronger. So he sent along this email to share with our readers...
I know there is a lot of interest and questions as to the changes announced regarding Red Dawn.
This movie has been rebooted because the filmmakers all love the original movie. The experience of seeing Red Dawn as a young boy in the middle of a Cold War, was life changing for me and a generation. I assure you that everyone involved with the reboot is keenly aware of the responsibility of delivering a movie that can stand eye to eye with the original.
The changes made to Red Dawn in the last few weeks were made in consultation with military think tanks and people that specialize in game theory. Really smart people that spend their days constructing doomsday scenarios for our military and government. The type of people that know the limitations of the North Korean military. The type of people that can project a series of events that could lead to some very scary things happening to our Country. I can assure you, we listened well to those people, especially with regards to the capability of the North Korean military.
Red Dawn isn’t for everyone. So, if you are interested in seeing a movie filled with preachy political discussions - Red Dawn ain’t for you. If you love movies in which Americans are the bad guys - Red Dawn ain’t for you. If you get emotional watching daytime television - Red Dawn ain’t for you. If you’re a vegetarian - Red Dawn probably ain’t for you.
But! If you like meat with your potatoes, muscle cars that roar, tanks, guns and things blowing the fuck up by American’s kicking some Commie ass – then we have something special coming your way.
WOLVERINES!
Tripp Vinson
I met with Vinson last fall to discuss the remake, and, even when the bad guys were Chinese, there were certain plot details he was holding back. If you're wondering how all of this is going to play out, read up on game theory, and know that the scope of the invasion in RED DAWN has yet to be fully revealed. From the beginning, the filmmakers have been obsessed with making this movie as plausible as possible - while still working as a rip-roaring action film like the original. They're not about to fuck it all up now just to get the movie released internationally.
Look, I have no idea how seamless the digital alterations and (most troubling to me) dialogue replacement will be, but it would be wrong to write off RED DAWN based on this. I've heard from multiple sources outside the production that the film works. So let's calm down and wait until we at least see a teaser.
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Their radioactive plume is invading soon!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A
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That was the worst pitch I have ever heard, and I am not a vegetarian.
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...with nauseating "press release marketing speak" and then degenerates into nauseating colloquial macho pandering. Look, I'm a carnivorous, Mopar-driving American jagoff myself, but I gotta tell you... This movie ain't for me.
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We're running out of traditional big-military bad guys. (Which is a good thing.) We are now reduced to using a small, isolated country with an admittedly disproportionately large military (for the size of the country, but still much smaller that that of the U.S.) that uses antiquated equipment, can't feed its soldiers, and has barely enough fuel for peace-time military operations. Notice his response skips around any semblance of a suggestion North Korea could pose any kind of a conventional "invasion-type" military threat.
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militant vegans are as bad as right wing fundamentalists christians, but having been someone who has become vegetarian because of actual proven health issues as well as research on the horrible practices of modern meat processing, i have to be the puss here and say that Vinson's douchey joke is old, tired and ignorant. and tell tripp vinson gay porn called and wants one of their names back.
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This is marketing spin.
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...but "reboot" feels like it should be used for franchises or series. Wouldn't "remake" be more appropriate here? Or is he trying to tell us something......
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now some douche named tripp vinson has put the nail in the coffin for me. his statement reeks of desperation. like a cat covering a turd in the litter box.
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duuuhhrrr me go play xbox now
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March 17, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST
"If you love movies in which Americans are the bad guys..."
by James Westfall
"... Red Dawn ain’t for you." Thank You! You just guaranteed I'll see this. Maybe twice to make up for the ticket Captain America director Joe Johnson won't be buying. =)
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March 17, 2011, 5:48 p.m. CST
Aronfosky's conspiracy theory? The Wolverine and ROBOCOP
by organicstudios
What are you Conspiracy theories why Aronofsky left all superhero movies? Stanley kubrick filmed the nasa moonlanding in a hollywood studio.
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so who called who when you say 'i just got off the phone with tripp vinson'? do you guys talk regularly> do you call him or does he call you. have you ever hung out. what else has he done that i'd know about. okay, when you are done answering that, tell me if the people behind this flick got so scared at the outrage here in the talkbacks about the latest news that they were fucking desperate to try to fix it, that they called you. or hell, they probably emailed, not called. after all, i doubt you remembered all that diatribe Tripp spewed and wrote it down exactly. looks like a copy email quote-paste-change font color for effectiveness to me. but in all seriousness, this gy's rant just shot this flick in the other foot and it's good to see the others here who aren't vegetarians aren't buying it. people like this also buy sportscars and hoot at women because they have 4 inch cocks that don't work.
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It's completely fucked but some part of it is in complete denial.
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March 17, 2011, 5:52 p.m. CST
"Really smart people that spend their days constructing doomsday scenarios for our military and government."
by sadclown
Sounds like a bunch of basement-dwelling, RISK-playing fanboys. So to sum up, a country the size of Pennsylvania that's half-way around the world--and constantly monitored by our military--is going to sneak-attack the continental U.S? To what end? Because they're baaad? That's more than a little hard to believe. Regardless, I hate remakes (especially from the 80s) so there's no way I was going to see this.
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the red was an email, obviously. i'm man enough to admit i fucked up there. still, the stink of sadness is thick with this one.
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Hopefully there will eventually be a directors cut.
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Now let's all blame the ethnic cleansing of Tibet and the Tienanmen Square massacre on North Korea too.
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i'm not right wing, conservative, isolationist or anything, but fuck, Tripp, even i can remember when america HAD SOME FUCKING BALLS and would never do something like this to a movie just to bow to its chinese masters. FUCK MAN, you sure talk some shit but the hypocracy about your version of the good old us of a is a lot to stomach.
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"if you like your fictional patriotic movies totally reworked to not offend a country that secretly owns you, this movie ain't for you!" damn right.
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More crap from Hollywood.
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Game theory! People that know the limitations of the North Korean military! People, who have magic powers to change a script to fit a rewrite AFTER shooting!
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And it didn't come out "in the middle of the Cold War". It came out near the END of the Cold War, when crap like this was already 30 years out of date. What kind of moron is actually going to pay to see this garbage?
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March 17, 2011, 6:05 p.m. CST
In other words, we downloaded a pirated copy of Homefront and
by ajt2111
We were like "Yoooo, fuck the Chinese, America should be balls deep in North Koreans"
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March 17, 2011, 6:06 p.m. CST
I'm telling you, "Red Head Dawn" would have been better.
by WriteForTheEdit
Happy St. Patrick's Day, everybody!!!!!!!
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Why is Hollywood continuing to make "reboots" of movies that were already awesome? Why not go for movies that had good ideas, good premises, but sucked in the execution of said ideas? HAHA Good cockblock, FIRST.
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HEE HEE HEE HEE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE!
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March 17, 2011, 6:14 p.m. CST
Team America - satire + carnivorous grandstanding = Red Dawn "reboot"
by fustfick
I sure hope someone pees in a radiator. When's "Invasion USA" getting another remake?
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March 17, 2011, 6:14 p.m. CST
So there's a lot of meat eating in the RED DAWN remake?
by MooseMalloy
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that is all!
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What do you say we get down to business?
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Exactly.
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-- when it was released, but I never considered it "life changing". Sounds like this guy missed his calling by not joining the military.
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Then Red Dawn's probably for you!
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Who the fuck is even in this piece of shit?
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March 17, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST
The kind of men that are scared shitless of offending the nation we owe trillions to
by Cosmik
So we made up some implausible crap about NK.
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March 17, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST
If you enjoy watching great action movies.... Red Dawn (2011) ain't for you
by Andy Pandy
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March 17, 2011, 6:23 p.m. CST
What an embarrassing idiot! There goes my ticket fee, dumbass.
by golden tribw
You won't be making any money off this Canuck with your vacuously macho stupidity. I already wasted ten bucks on SWAT, you won't fool me a second time.
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March 17, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST
I think the term “reboot” would only apply if there had been sequels to Red Dawn.
by Frank Conniff
Unless there are such sequels, this would just be a regular old remake. This guy sounds like an idiot. He can’t even write very well. Can I be a movie producer, too? Also, I am a vegetarian so I guess this movie isn’t for me.
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i hope MATT DAMON! is in this.
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March 17, 2011, 6:26 p.m. CST
"life changing". Did he mean to change his name to Tripp Venison after the deer blood scene...
by THE_CHOPPAH
but spell it wrong on the form?
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March 17, 2011, 6:29 p.m. CST
If you're not a douchey Asia-hating redneck - Red Dawn ain't for you.
by Sinistron
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March 17, 2011, 6:35 p.m. CST
I think I’ll stay home and watch Dr. Strangelove instead.
by Frank Conniff
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D&D = Poor People playing pretend. This movie is so fucked and that Press Release gives the impression the crew just want to say fuck you to everyone from the PC idiots, corporate China dick lickers and nitpicking fanboys. Its refreshing, but some how fails as well.
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Or will be shortly.
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March 17, 2011, 6:44 p.m. CST
Yea that email was kind of the worst PR back peddling, trying to turn
by Andy Pandy
a shit pissed off fan situation around into something positive. And the stuff about trying to paint vegetarians as sissies is pathetic. I know dudes who are vegans some who have served in armed forces, that could mess this Tripp Vinson up pretty bad.
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I've studied game theory as a postgraduate in university and this doesn't even begin to explain at all how the North Koreans can get their army halfway across the world in sufficient numbers and with sufficient surprise to invade the US successfully. Especially when you add in the factor that the North Korean military is suffering from a lot of shortages.
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I'd be pissed if I were John Milius and had to endure both of these remakes. Then there is the fact that he wrote the story for the videogame Homefront, which kind of in a roundabout way means that Homefront is the true remake or at least the true spiritual successor to Red Dawn.
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March 17, 2011, 6:52 p.m. CST
"If you're wondering how all of this is going to play out, read up on game theory"
by THE_CHOPPAH
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!! Could that statement be any less informed? That's like saying "they want to make it realistic, so if you want to know how it's going to play out, read up on your physics".
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Kim Jong Il is a joke to Americans. He's viewed ans pompus.. the entire country's GDP is $29B. Every state but Vermont in the US (by themselves individually ) have higher GDP than this. How the hell could they launch and assault... a ground ware, even, with the US? Truly lame. If they had stuck with China, it would have at least been realistic.
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Look who bought the myth.
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March 17, 2011, 7:01 p.m. CST
Poor Tripp... this has certainly backfired, hasn't it?
by WriteForTheEdit
I know you're probably just doing your job, so turn off your computer, crack open a cold one, and think of better days to come.
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March 17, 2011, 7:03 p.m. CST
They should have capitalized on the vampire craze for this remake
by lv_426
Come on, RED DAWN. How could no one see this? A vampire uprising explodes in Romania, or maybe the vamps are uncovered by a scientist or something along those lines. The vamps band together and then spread through Europe, North Africa, and finally into Russia. The vampire forces keep on turning more and more people, giving them the choice of immortal life as reward for serving in the vampire army and slowly taking power in the world. That's the back story which causes worldwide political destabilization leading up to the vampire invasion of the United States. They could still keep a lot of the same elements like the internment camps (now human livestock pens), the Powers Boothe shot down pilot role, the Wolverines escaping to the mountains, and the specialist brought in to hunt down the rebels (irony being a human hunter instead of a vampire hunter). They'd have to change the initial invasion from a day raid to a night raid, but that would actually be kinda interesting and would make sense in terms of surprising the enemy.
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But isn’t Kim Jong Il basically dead anyway? I think his crazy son or some general is running the country.
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March 17, 2011, 7:14 p.m. CST
lv_426 is on to something...it still isn't too late to make the North Koreans sparkle!
by THE_CHOPPAH
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March 17, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST
After this email I'm starting to think the movie ends with America...
by THE_CHOPPAH
surrendering unconditionally and offering hand jobs for life to any and all foreign invaders.
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Has the North Koreans form an insidious banking cartel that use their bought and paid for politicians to crash the American economy, loot the treasury for 18 trillion dollars and plunge the nation into the greatest depression its ever experienced. They then de-industrialize the country by crippling industry and then sell of all its infrastructure such as highways, ports, prisons and natural resources to foreign countries that can then charge American citizens to use infrastructure that they had already paid for . Then the North Koreans pass heinous right destroying legislation that allows government agents to actually sexually assault women and children at airports in the name of 'National Security'. But that's not all the evil North Koreans do in this movie, they also take over the American military and use it as an inforcement arm against the entire globe. North Korea then launches wars against third world countries under false pretenses to strip them of their national resources. They butcher millions of innocent civilians using poor Americans as cannon fodder so that the North Korean elite can live in obscene levels of luxury. They intentionally destroy the public education system and use water fluoridation and toxic vaccines to create a generation of autistic worker drones to serve them as 21st century serfs. Finally they destroy whats left of the middle class and completely erase the Constitution and Bill of Rights from the pages of history. Its a frightening prospect, good thing its only a movie and that could never happen in real life.
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March 17, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST
It's really easy for any foreign enemy force to "invade" America...
by vettebro
It happens everyday. The Mexicans do it. The Muslims are doing it. Border security is shit. Emigration laws are not enforced. Send your "troops" over as tourists or even citizens to be, spread out over time in different states across the country. Or just cross the border illegally. Smuggle your weapons in on cargo ships over time. Shipping port security is crap as well. "Trickle" everything in. That is what the Muslims are doing and it's working. If you question it, than use our own laws and bleeding heart, PC idiots to support you. (meaning the enemy) Basically using America's laws against itself. It's called "Hudna" people. It's happening now. The whole subject of this TB is proof. A fictional movies antagonist has been replaced due to politically correct reasons. Wake up and smell the coffee Mr. Larouso!
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You gotta know when to hold 'em Know when to fold 'em Know when to walk away, And know when to run. You never count your money, When your villain is a major economic and military threat and you're an enormous pussy There'll be time enough for countin' When your career is done. You douche.
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I suppose 100 years ago it would have been the Irish and Italians "invading" the country, eh? Good thing they didn't turn off the spigot before your tired and wretched forefathers dragged their asses here.
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Didn't Chuck Palahulik write a book about a sleeper agent from a fictional North Korean-like dictatorship emigrating to the US as part of some elaborate scheme to take over the country?
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Those versed in game theory probably should have foreseen that the movie will suck... I'm sad for the actors, I can picture them during the interviews explaining away how the movie is better now. Sadly, China did invade the U.S. and apparently won.
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That was clever-- the movie is what it is-- but to imply that they made the change to N. Korea after meeting with some think tanks is pretty damn thin. If that's actually honestly the case, why didn't they do that homework before making a hundred million dollar movie?? Nope-- This is about business interests involved wanting to do biz in China and that's it-- BANG-- the bad guys are N. Koreans. But, hey, you gotta do what you gotta do, and his gig today was to come up with a plausible sounding excuse. I now can't wait for all the "Could this really happen" segments on content starved cable news shows when this thing drops...
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a Netflix instant view... at best
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I'll be happy. And eats deer liver. And kills the dude who fought clint eastwood in Any which way you can. And tries to get in on with Powers Booth. And pays homage to the God of jingoistic action puke, John Milius...
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is that the numbers flat out won't add up. The movie's already been made, the horse is out of the barn. There are realities of how America would respond militarily while under attack from a country with the size and capabilities of China, as opposed to a country that could be taken out with a single nuke missile, like N. Korea. They are gonna have to go back and do some CRAZY ass expository ADR to explain that one.
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March 17, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST
This is the same bullshit that prevents Warner Bros. from allowing "Truth, Justice, and the AMERICAN Way"
by planetran_fan
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I didn't read that one. I bet there are several books on the subject though.
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March 17, 2011, 7:53 p.m. CST
I, for one, welcome our new Chiense masters. And General Tso's lead infused chicken cereal.
by John_Cocktoasten
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March 17, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST
"This movie has been rebooted because the filmmakers all love the original movie."
by Billy_D_Williams
i hate when hollywood people say this..."oh, we're such fans of the original"...if you're such a fan, why are you remaking it? to me, the more i love something, the more i just want to leave it alone, as i know i cant do it better and i have too much respect for the original to fuck with it...so please stop making this lame excuse for why you're butchering the name of a great film (not necessarily talking about Red Dawn)
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March 17, 2011, 8:09 p.m. CST
vettebro, I suppose you're only talking about illegal immigration?
by THE_CHOPPAH
You lost me at "the Mexicans".
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March 17, 2011, 8:10 p.m. CST
"in consultation with military think tanks and people that specialize in game theory. Really smart people that spend their days constructing doomsday scenarios for our military and government"
by KilliK
Yeah Call of Duty- Modern Warfare players are very good in this.So what did you give them in exchange for their advice? 6months xbox live gold prepaid time?
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I don't know who they talked to, but North Korea's GDP is the equivalent of what the US Military spends in just a month. Seriously. (Actually right now it's the equivalent of two weeks, but it's higher then average because of Afghanistan and Iraq). From a military budget standpoint it's worse. North Korea spends 6 billion a year on it's military. In 2009 the US spent 663 billion. While North Korea's expenditures equaled 21% of it's GDP, the United States' expenditures only equaled 4.3% of its GDP. What's more the North Korean military is designed for a land war with South Korea, not an invasion of a foreign power. What the North Korean's laughingly call a Navy is old an obsolete, it's not even a blue water navy. There is no way for North Korea to project power onto the United States as the backbone of their navy consists of a handful of frigates and corvettes. Essentially they have a glorified coast guard. The North Korean Air Force is also something of a joke. They fly antiquitated aircraft and their pilots are poorly trained (the average pilot having only 7 hours of flight time compared to NATO's average 150 hours). There is no way that any military advisors with even a superficial understanding of the situation said the revamped premise of this movie makes any sense. Coming out with an inane press release going just short of calling detractors of your film unpatriotic isn't going to win any friends. The truth is you're simply a corporate coward ripping off a movie you saw thirty years ago and then gutting it of any feeble realism it had.
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and this doubling down response to the backlash is pathetic
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Even as old as they are now, I would take them over 1,000 North Koreans. The Monster Squad has access to candy, all those guys would surrender for a Snickers.
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it runs about as good as this movie will.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH Who came up with that one? Try BUSINESS THEORY 101 you fucking morons. You have a movie which you want to be able to distribute in CHINA, the easiest way to up your odds of selling well there is by having the invaders(villains) NOT be Chinese. Lets flip the script. Lets say the CHINESE were making a movie where the United States invades them and are the bad guys. Think that would sell well here? Not on your life. So really... North Koreans invade them (which is actually *a lot* more plausible than mounting and operating an invasion 7000+ miles across a fucking sea, but I digress) Really, this is the final nail in this movie's coffin. They clearly don't think they have the goods to primarily sell it domestically to the Western World and make a profit, so their only hope they believe is to apparently open up to the Chinese by excising them as the villains. Either way, I fear an invasion and occupation by NORTH KOREA, a country far smaller than most States about as much as I fear dying from the flu. Game theory-wise, they don't have the money or resources to even have a chance in hell of pulling it off. Plus, didn't we just get essentially a Red Dawn remake(and a far better movie than the original) with Battle:LA?
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I didn't mean the Mexican's were necessarily our enemies (although it could be argued that some elements are such as the Cartels). My point was the possibility of "easy" enemy infiltration by the means I described. Illegal emigration was just one example. The Muslim infiltration is another. These points are in support of the plausibility of an invasion of U.S. soil. The subject of this TB. "Red Dawn". A movie that is going to fail miserably. : )
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That's what that game is about, a North Korean invasion, and the story penned by "Red Dawn" original's John Milius. Why would I need to see this movie? Furthermore, why would Vinson claim you wouldn't want to see this movie if you're looking for "preachy political discussions," yet they've given into political correctness by changing the villains from Chinese to North Korean? Give me a break!
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March 17, 2011, 8:35 p.m. CST
READ HERE FOR LEAKED THINK TANK FINDINGS OF A NORTH KOREAN INVASION
by spire_walk
It. Cannot. Fucking. Happen. Think tanks have done projections for a 2nd Korean War, and in every prediction, the Norks run out of fuel a quarter of the way into Souk territory, and then get pushed back while getting vaporized by aerial bombardment. As key infrastructure and command centers are hit, the Norks collapse from starvation, no gas, no bullets, and lack of command and control. Starving refugees flood southward in to South Korea and northward into China looking for anything to eat. A Humanitarian nightmare unfolds as North Korea completely implodes. The Norks are 90% of the way towards implosion as is. They rattle their sabers, and the world agrees to send them food.
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And he's trying to appeal to the retarded segment of America. Sad thing is....that's a pretty big segment....
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They can't even feed their own people and you poges expect us the believe they can invade America. Dumb move.
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I GOT THIS
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March 17, 2011, 8:52 p.m. CST
Yeah, North Korea would invade the USA and that'd be "scarier" and "more realistic" than China.
by heyscot
I mean neither one of them is realistic but North Korea is MORE realistic to invade us than CHINA? What a jackass statement by a pandering director.
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He looks like the type of moron who would write the above email. Total douche.
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-- right before we all went out to grab some lunch in West Hollywood" - Victor Von Tripp
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I'm guessing pretty fucking stupid considering his talkback contributions consist solely of calling everyone in this country stupid (except him of course). What a misanthrope!
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Can you tell us how this N. Korean invasion is going to go down?
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March 17, 2011, 9:16 p.m. CST
vettebro, did you know that Islam is a religion and not a country?
by Frank Conniff
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I didn't like it when I was 12, and after rewatching it recently, I see why: It was brainless, badly directed, horribly acted (for the most part) and the script was laughable. The only people I knew who liked it were rednecks. This sequel sounds like more of the same, except without the original's one saving grace: Harry Dean Stanton. Koreans invading the US? They already did...it's called Kia.
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It's entirely possible for North Korea to invade the US... Providing they've got some secret ultra weapon we don't know about! Like a death ray or a giant robot mecha or alien technology or a hypno ray that hypnotizes Barack Obama from afar so that Kim Jong Il can control him remotely or some shit... I'm just saying... the more creative the solution, the cooler this film could be. It just needs something stupid crazy to make it all worthwhile and bring the laughs!
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i think i read one response that was in defense of Tripp and the movie, out of all of these posts. and even he was only like 70% in favor. the writing is on the wall with this one. so we know this much- nobody here has any interest anymore. thing is, if it gets promoted at right wing sites, etc, it still has a chance of making money off stupid ignorant people that think all asians look the same. and yeah, another good point- WHO THE FUCK IS IN THIS? it was supposed to be out LAST NOVEMBER. MGM's bankruptcy aside, they are polishing the fuck out of this turd so hard that in the end there will be nothing left but shit all over their hands.
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I fought in the Infantry, but I'm a vegetarian. I wonder if this gay porn star turned bad PR knob thinks Red Dawn is for me?
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March 17, 2011, 9:47 p.m. CST
Amazingly, the producer managed to make this movie sound WORSE
by D.Vader
Sounds like the movie is without one ounce of intelligence. And we've heard these promises of "We're such big fans of the original!" before being burned with the shitty remake. I'm not convinced. Neither should any of you be. Get one of the other producers to do the talking from now on.
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'tripp vinson resigned today under pressure from blahblahblah studios regarding his insensitive handling of the red dawn fallout debacle.' that is, if there's even an entertainment site that gives a crap about tripp vinson. oh wait, this one does. they're buddy-buddy. ps- where is the obituary for Alfred?!
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Did you know that Islam has been at war with everyone that doesn't embrace Islam for thousands of years? Read the Koran. Watch the documentary "Islam: What the west needs to know". Learn some facts and make your own INFORMED decision. Do you know the significance of the 9/11 date beyond 9/11/2001? I bet you didn't until you just googled it.
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and you need to come to my house so we can watch the original Red Dawn, and then I can watch my carnivorous kids eat you alive while this pussy vegetarian tells you to stop all the screaming so I can hear what they're saying as I watch Primer for the tenth time. Man I hate people that make fun of vegetarians. There are only like twelve of us anyways. Stuff your face with some fuckin' pork and leave me alone.
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Why? are you going to project the film in slaughterhouses? or for every 100 tickets sold you give a free steak meal for the winner?
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North Korea with a Death Ray and/or Giant Robot! THAT'S a movie I'd go see. Giant Robots make everything great. Otherwise, shitty remake of a shitty movie. Only rednecks liked it then, only rednecks will like it now.
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ALLOW ME TO ELUCIDATE. IT'S A CLASSIC CASE OF THE PRISONER'S DILLEMA. THAT IS, DO THEY TAKE PRISONERS OR DO THEY KILL US ALL.
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"And now they're getting criticized for digitally altering their villains in order to make the film more appealing to potential distributors." <BR><BR> Beaks , your as much of a twat for posting this (yet another classic AICN lesson in ass licking bullshit) , as "Tripp Vinson"sounds pimping this utter brainless shitefest.<BR><BR> This film ain't for me, and it ain't cool news. FFS.
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ACTUALLY IT WAS LUNCH IN VENICE. I WANTED MAO'S KITCHEN BUT VINSON ENDED UP CHANGING THE PLANS AT THE LAST MINUTE TO WHARO KOREAN BBQ. SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT BEING CHEAPER. NATURALLY, BEING A GAME THEORETICIAN, I CONVINCED EVERYONE TO PLAY CREDIT CARD ROULETTE, KNOWING FULL WELL THERE WAS LITTLE CHANCE I WOULD LOSE. I AM HAPPY TO REPORT THAT TWAT VINSON ENDED UP PAYING.
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DID YOU KNOW THAT IN THE ORIGINAL EMPIRE SCRIPT, OBI-WAN WAS LUKE'S FATHER? YEAH. GEORGE CHANGED IT TO VADER AFTER CONSULTING WITH A THINKTANK OF GAME THEORETICIANS. TRUE STORY.
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March 17, 2011, 11:10 p.m. CST
Just scrap the whole remake thing and call it TWILIGHT 2000
by MooseMalloy
Now that reference will really separate the men from the boys in here.
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I guess that means this movie ain't for me. Get 'er done folks, they'll have y'all squealing like pigs! I also loved the notion that they consulted with military think tanks to redub dialogue in a different language and digitally alter flags. Hey, we had the best minds in the country come to our studios and say "yes, that's what a North Korean flag looks like."
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Fact is no one but the US can stage an invasion anywhere the world. No one including the old Soviet Union and China today don't have the logistical capability to do that. So the producers had it wrong with the Soviet Union and today with China and North Korea. If think tanks told the producers that North Korea was more likely, that was wrong. In the movie I bet the enemy is equipped with old Cold War arms and they'll have nothing advanced that even would show them with the capability to invade and control parts of the US. Mr. Beaks, you should've listened to the scoop I sent you almost a year ago about this and it turned out to be true.
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And you fucked me over big-time. Karma's a bitch, old son...
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"muscle cars that roar, tanks, guns and things blowing the fuck up by American’s kicking some Commie ass – then we have something special coming your way. WOLVERINES!" Heh! I kinda wanna see it now.
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March 18, 2011, 12:31 a.m. CST
If you love movies that are even slightly good, Red Dawn isn't for you!
by Zardoz
'Nuff said! What a fucking fiasco!
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What a bunch of B.S. Ridiculous! No 'games theory' or strategic warfare expert worth their salt would ever suggest that North Korea had the ability to undertake an invasion of the continental United States, let alone the logistics capabilities involved in that kind of undertaking!
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Even a sewer doesn't have as much crap as that email.
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March 18, 2011, 1:07 a.m. CST
This 'Red Dawn' remake should have been set in the 1960s....
by eXcommunicated
...after the Cuban Missile Crisis escalates into a full-fledged war and turns the world upside-down. An alternate history, if you will. THAT is something I would have watched.
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In this case it's a zero sum game, where anyone connected with or paying to see said film is a clear loser, and anyone avoiding it wins. Alternately, the term "zero sum" here is a reference to the projected gross box office take.
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Top People told us to. Who? Top People.
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If you're the kind of guy that wears glasses then Red Dawn ain't for you! If you got too much oestrogen then Red Dawn ain't for you! If you're the kind of dumbass that owns a pet and always feeds it then Red Dawn ain't for you! If you can count up to a number higher than 10 without struggling then Red Dawn ain't for you! If you like pinacoladas and getting caught in the rain then Red Dawn ain't for you! If you ever once read a book then Red Dawn ain't for you! If you ever cried at the death of a relative then Red Dawn ain't for you! If you bought this bullshit marketing when they did it with The Expendables then then Red Dawn is for you.
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cock.
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Unless you have completely rewritten the entire fucking film then these Game Theorists are not going to have been of any help whatsoever. 'So, guys, you saw the movie - d'you like it?' 'Um, well....' 'Probably wasn't for you - you look like you got asthma. Anyway could North Korea ever invade 'merica?' 'Well, technically, I suppose they could but only if...' 'Okay, we're changing the commies from Chinee to Norks.' 'Um, but they couldn't invade in the way that you have portrayed in this film because...' 'You clearly have two eyebrows and Red Dawn ain't for you. Okay team, problem solved - let's all go get lattes'
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SIR!! You have just pwned the internetz, SIR!!
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when i say that, i dont mean you poor non essential white people. I mean the white americans that are the cause of all the problems of the world. filmmakers, milltary types, all these fucking idiots who make it harder for everyone else. they play cowboys and indians with OUR fucking lives. real americans die in shit like 911 while they run off and make some corny white bred shit like red dawn. yea YOU sit there and say "america fuck yer!" and blame the imaginary bad guys while they just pad their pockets based on your idiotic fear. when will YOU white guys learn? seriously?
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was as lame as those X-Men "head-crotch" posters. Nuff' said.
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It was a stupid enugh movie in the 80s, but at least that kind of lunacy had a reason to exist back then. The only way to make this movie now, sure as hellisn't with China or NORTH Korea, it's the aftermath of Battle L.A, where various parts of the world have been taken over and ordinary people, etc fight an insurgancy against aliens.
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I'm a moderate, politically speaking, and enjoy steaks and hamburgers. Furthermore, few things please me in the visceral sense as much as watching Americans pummel Nazi and Commie ass in movies. Also, the original Red Dawn, while cheesy and a tad jingoistic, was a huge favorite of mine back in the day. <p> Upon hearing the decision to change the Chinese in the remake into North Koreans I was appalled, but not nearly as much as when I read your insulting "explanation". You, sir, are an utterly spineless, condescending cunt. <p> It's interesting to see just how stupid you consider your target audience to be and how much you despise them. Your "explanation" can be summed up thusly: <p> "Y'know, we asked some guys who know stuff and they said North Korea has guns and... WOOHOO!! YEEHHAAWW!! EXPLOSIONS!! AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!! COMMIES SUCK!!! WOLVERRRIIINNNESSS!!!!" <p> You and your ghoulish, soulless, moneygrubbing colleagues can go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut. You just guaranteed that I won't be spending a fucking nickel on your cowardly shitburger of a movie. Words can't adequately describe just how much loathing you have provoked in me. <p> Try to spin THIS talkback, you cretinous scumbag. <p> Love, <p> DocPazuzu
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Back to WWII and have the Nazi's invade, could have used the actual plans they created. Or go post WWII and have the Soviets invade during the late 60's.
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...North Koreans would ever be able to set foot on American soil would be if they were helped by China, much like the Cubans and Nicaraguans were piggybacking on the Soviets in the original. Even if Norks were used, it would be impossible without China as the main antagonist. <p> You're a walking sphincter with a bluetooth, Vinson.
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Didn't see your alt history idea until after I posted. Great minds and all that.
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...good luck on this flaming POS remake....
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March 18, 2011, 4:33 a.m. CST
Really smart people that spend their days constructing doomsday scenarios for our military and government.
by Windowlicker74
BWAHAHAHAAAHAAAAA
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There's a book called "Resurrection Day" by Brendan DuBois which has the exact scenario that you're describing, where nuclear war does result from the Cuban Missile Crisis. It has a great tagline too: "Everyone remembers where they were when President Kennedy tried to kill them."
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March 18, 2011, 4:34 a.m. CST
our Country with capital C. my god this guy just made my day LOL!
by Windowlicker74
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This is a Beaks byline. That explains a lot.
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March 18, 2011, 5:01 a.m. CST
"The type of people that know the limitations of the North Korean military."
by eveelcapitalist
Like that they don't have enough fuel to sustain an invasion of South Korea much less America? Jesus Christ, do the NorKs even have the capability to sail a boat across the ocean, much less steam one across? Her'es your reason for the change, the producers need to make money in China. Chinese won't see it if they're the bad guys. Producers said fuck it, no one like the NorKs, not even the Chinese. Everything else is true, it's just a big dumb action movie. But the appeal of the original was the thought of our Cold War enemy actually invading America. Well, if you're gonna do a remake, it should involve our current big shot rival, right? Right? Right? Here's a rational suggestion that was made at a conservative milblog I read. Why not just sell the Chinese an alternate ending implying they win? It's not like anyone in this country would give a shit. Hell, makes more sense than removing the patriotic sentiment from Captain America, or making GI Joe some sort of bleeding heart Europe based international strike team. But NorKs. Sure. Whatever. The producers can reasonably bet that most Americans won't notice but they think there's not a single Chinese who won't notice that the NorKs aren't speaking a lick of Korean? They really think poorly of their audience, don't they?
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March 18, 2011, 5:03 a.m. CST
I'll compromise. Let's say...Chinese in the director's cut DVD?
by eveelcapitalist
Cause no one is gonna see it in the theaters anyway.
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that's assuming MGM has enough money to put it onto DVD.
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I hate to go against the flow but... this RED DAWN remake could be really good. For me it's not so much about the plausibility of the story it's how well the action scenes work. If we get some good hard-hitting action sequences and shootouts with a high body count then this 'could' be a fun dumb action movie. Nowt wrong with that.
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"The experience of seeing Red Dawn as a young boy in the middle of a Cold War, was life changing for me and a generation." Really?? The thing I remember most about it is some kid pissing into the truck's engine to get it started (one of those little nuggets your brain files away in case you need it one day!).
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"Yes, sir?" <p> "Those talking back fellas are at it again. Seems they aren't going for this backpedalling bullshit of ours." <p> "Yes, sir, I know, sir." <p> "I mean, it's not like it's enough of a bitch to have to walk around with a brown nose that smells like wok & soy, now I gotta add cheetos to that." <p> "I know what you mean, sir." <p> "Our marketing team is for shit. Who's that producer we've got on Red Dawn? Trick? Tard? Thad? Thark? Can he do something about this?" <p> "Quite possibly, sir. He's fluent in Teabag and one of our best sleight-of-handers." <p> "Well, whaddaya waiting for, Philbrick? Get Trig on the horn, pronto! We'll show those talking back fellas once and for all who rule Bartertown!"
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So he didn't even address the issue. Seriously, changing the Chinese to Koreans is a fucking lame idea and makes the concept that America could stand up to these guys in battle laughably - you can't even stand up to them in your 'art'. A sad day.
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March 18, 2011, 5:49 a.m. CST
bobparr....you still trolling? Am I the only one who paid any attention to your boring uncreative posts?
by Bobo_Vision
You lonely, lonely man.
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March 18, 2011, 5:54 a.m. CST
Cobra-Kai, my problem with the producer's contradictory statements...
by D.Vader
A film can't be both dumb fun and realistic at the same time, though he seems to be trying hard to sell it that way.
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"Now we're erasing the rocket and the space and changing it to a submarine and water, but don't worry, it makes perfect sense! In fact, it's now much better! In fact, that was our original vision!" <p> <p> That final appeal of his is hilarious and pathetic too. It's as if Harvey Weinstein tried promoting a gangsta rap movie by telling audiences "Yeah! I be down with this shiznit, dogs!"
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March 18, 2011, 6:51 a.m. CST
It's even more hilarious when he tries the "Yeah! Ain't let them Kor-ians tell USA what to do!"
by JackPumpkinhead
"Cuz we're the greatest! Yee-haw, we're tough! Uh, Mr. Lee-Hoi, can I have my raise now, pleeeease? There's not a bad word left in the movie about your great and powerful glorious homeland of China, sir!"
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Vinson: Hi, Beaks, this is Tripp Vinson calling. I was reading the talkbacks for the Red Dawn article and I'm very concerned. <p> Beaks: Understandably. <p> Vinson: As you know, MGM is bankrupt and we've been having a helluva time trying to distribute this thing, so digitally altering the race to North Koreans might help us get some Chinese money because the Norks have never paid for shit. <p> Beaks: True dat. <p> Vinson: But the last thing we need is bad word of mouth, so if you're game, I'll send you an email to spin this thing and if you could post it on your website, I promise, there'll be a Red Dawn baseball cap and decal pin waiting for you in the mail. <p> Beaks: Sweet! <p> Vinson: I'll talk about think tanks and how this movie is going to present very real and scary scenarios. American fear and paranoia is a goldmine. Pure gold, baby. Then I'll talk about explosions and meat and potaters....Americans love them some meat and potaters...
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March 18, 2011, 7:16 a.m. CST
If you like movies made by producers who sound like fucking assholes...
by The Bunglermoose
...this is the movie for you!
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Shoot a documentary...dumbass...
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Those people only see in black and white, a green frog, a pig in a pink dress and a big blue nosed furry thing will cause them seizures. Henson-1, Kim-0.
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that Harry put up on this sight a couple years back claiming Wolverine Origins was going to be awesome. It would be nice if instead of Beaks posting a PR release, that he actually... I don't know, maybe ask the director a few questions, like why the change, why exactly are we supposed to believe the NK can invade other than "Game Theory", etc.
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If he's going to pull a Walter Hill a la Supernova and Koreanize his name to Thomas Lee for the final cut.
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d.vader, yep I agree. And we'll see whether 'realism' or 'dumb fun' turns out to be the order of the day with RED DAWN... Note: bookies stopped taking bets on 'dumb fun' months ago, but you can GREAT odds if you want to take a punt on 'realism'!
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Nice attempt at justifying corporate decisions while trying to gin up business among the lowest common denominator, Tripp. You want to make a 'Kill the Commies' movie, but you have no guts to use the real threat. Wow. Thank God Germany wasn't funding movies in the 40's huh? After all, we are talking about the man who brought us Journey to the Center of the Earth in 3D! and the sure-to-be-dud sequel. Sadly, someone will always throw money at things like this or people who can talk a good game. You can make your movies, Tripp - just don't talk down to film fans and treat us like we're stupid. You want to pander? Go on Fox News.
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but without a shred of the accidental character humor.
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from the change of an entire nationality/race/culture like it's no difference at all, being afraid to insult the chinese masters (technically it would be an alternate history story since they already invaded and enslaved us subtley over the last 20 years anyway) but talking big bad american, to the pandering, to the insulting of a sizeable chunk of america (where we're still free to choose not to drive muscle cars and eat meat, btw).. this is a landmark day for AICN, where we see just what they are about. no longer journalists, now a mouthpiece for corporate hollywood. no different than these guys kissing the ass of china.
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March 18, 2011, 9:12 a.m. CST
Trip may as well get the "Too Many Asians" YouTube Girl to help promote this.
by Prof. Pop-Cult
More people have watched her anti-Asian diatribe than will probably watch this lame reboot.
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IMO, this is a much more concerning example of The Suits sticking their noses into the creative talent's business. We may NEVER see the version of this flick that the director intended for us to see as he was filming this thing, and that's much more upsetting than a film studio choosing to edit out a few bad words in The King's Speech, a film that's already been released world-wide as originally envisioned! Looking at the reasons behind this one, though, I guess I can still grudgingly live with it (then again, I've never seen the original and really have no interest in a remake). But the whole thing is still worse than the KS re-edit that y'all were so worked up about recently. Sadly, I'm sure this stuff goes on pretty often and we just don't hear about it...
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March 18, 2011, 9:16 a.m. CST
The tagline to this movie, as written by Tripp Vinson, will be....
by Bobo_Vision
"If you don't watch this film you're queer." <p> Tripp Vinson has America's number.
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March 18, 2011, 9:19 a.m. CST
MMA stars are turning Vegan... any comment Trippo?
by impossibledreamers
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dm-mmavegetarians021711
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March 18, 2011, 9:38 a.m. CST
A more interesting film would be about a douchey producer....
by Bobo_Vision
....changing the ethnicity of the enemy in a film to find financial backers and trying to spin it. It can star Tom Cruise reprising his character from Tropic Thunder.
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Because Lichtensteinians look Asian, right? Screw it. I say turn the movie into a remake of THE MOUSE THAT ROARED.
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Studio: Tripp, baby, what's goin' on? Listen, we've been reading that speakback thingy on the interwebs, and your spin doesn't seem to be working. We're concerned... <p> Tripp: Relax, sweet baby...this is only phase 1 of my plan. The next phase is the poster. Check this out. A poster with nothing on it except the word WOLVERINES! in large bold print. The backdrop, the American Flag, and at the bottom, a bunch of arms holding up guns and AK-47's. Americans love guns and flags, trust me, baby... <p> Studio: I like what I'm hearing so far....continue.... <p> Tripp: Then, the trailer. Lots of explosions, people yelling "Wolverines!", people eating steak, a woman gets punched in the face. Real manly stuff. <p> Studio: What about T&A? They love the T&A. <p> Tripp: Listen, remember that random ass shot in the Super 8 trailer that had nothing to do with anything? We've got that beat. Several random shots of tits and ass interspersed with gunplay, explosions, and people eating at an all-you-can-eat BBQ buffet. <p> Studio: Me rikey....me rikey a rot....heh heh heh <p> Tripp: Heh. Now listen, for the final blow, forget wasting the marketing budget on billboards and bus advertisements. I've got friends in North Korea and the American media in high ranking positions whom I've paid off. In the months before Red Dawn hits theaters, there are going to be North Korean missile tests and other big surprises, all picked up by the American media to ratchet up fear and paranoia like nobody's business. The greatest publicity money can buy. People will be lining up to watch the Wolverines kick North Korean ass!! <p> Studio: Tripp, baby....you're a genius! I was wrong to doubt you! <p> Tripp: You know it, babe....I've got this. Alright, take care, baby cakes.
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Playing a copy of the John Milius written/just released video game Homefront. Dude is trippin'.
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March 18, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST
bobo works in the industry. How else would he know the secret password?
by Subtitles_Off
They're gonna have to change it now, though. "Baby cakes." Too funny.
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Man, movies produced by assholes are the only movies they play at my local Godzillaplex.
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North Korea is not a threat to invade America. (Frankly, neither is China, but they at least might have the resources to do so if they decided for some bizarre reason that there was a reason to). Just admit that you and your corporate whip-crackers have decided that pissing off one of the most populous countries on earth by presenting them as the bad guys is a bad idea, and that you chose N. Korea because (a) they're small, (b) they have little impact on box office numbers, and (c) doing so won't interfere with attempts to penetrate/exploit the Chinese market. Just pitiful.
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...Red Dawn ain't for you
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...Red Dawn ain't for you.
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...Red Dawn ain't for you.
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...Red Dawn ain't for you.
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...Red Dawn ain't for you.
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March 18, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST
If you enjoyed Colin Firth's performance in The King's Speech...
by BeeRock
...Red Dawn ain't for you.
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March 18, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST
If you've ever had to make an appointment to get your hair cut...
by BeeRock
...Red Dawn ain't for you.
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...Red Dawn ain't for you.
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Red Dawn turned into Fu Manchu movie. Yeah, we spoke to some kid eating paste and he said that his grampa talked about Fu Manchu - who was a tall English guy with makeup on and this makes the movie frightening and more real than ever. If you have chromosomes then this movie ain't for you but if you like shiny things and are easily distracted by big boom booms then go and see FuManchu Dawn.
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instead of doing a lamo-feeb dance with the Wolvies?
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The remake and reboot machine has been kicked into overdrive the last decade or so and has brought us some real terds (See Dukes of Hazzard, the Day the Earth Stood Still, The Stepford Wives for examples) Has Hollywood lost all originality? If the film makers love the original so much and inspired to become film makers, why not create an original story similar and pay homage but is not a direct replica with the occasional change in villains nationality. Look at Super 8, it is evoking a look and feel that Spielberg inspired in J.J. Abrams, but it is a new original story, hell look an Tarantino, he rips of numerous films in his own, but the central idea surrounding it is orignal. Occasionally there are exceptions like True Grit and The Thing, and Batman Begins but they are few and far between.
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>If you like meat with your potatoes, muscle cars that roar, tanks, guns and things blowing the fuck up by American’s kicking some Commie ass – then we have something special coming your way.<</p> <p> You gotta be shitting me. This sounds like a Family Guy episode..."Oh, hahaha, he's just like me, so I bet I'll love this movie!" (sigh)</p> <p> Yeah, you met with think-tank military-types and decided to change the villains from the Chinese (who actually have serious military capability) to the N. Koreans (who don't). Puh-LEASE!</p> <p> I'm now avoiding this movie on double principle:</p> <p> (1) It's yet another unnecessary remake</p> <p> (2) The producer (a sycophantic suit) is a friggin' idiot who thinks we're gullible enough to believe anything.
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For those saying that North Korea is one of the greatest military powers, see this list below that ranks countries military strength (source: globalfirepower.com) 1 U.S.A. 2 China 3 Russia 4 India 5 U.K. Anyone else suprised to see India in there? South Korea shows up at 12th, North Korea is way down at 20th. This list rather proves that the original concept of China as an invasion force would have had far more merit.
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Milius has said he's so far right that he's left. Well, I'm so far left that I'm right, so as soon as someone ponies up my one million dollar writing fee, one million dollar directing fee, my custom made Purdy shotgun and my H2 packed to the rafters with Cuban cigars, I'll get to work. Now, before you get out yer pitchforks (which won't work on me because of the above referenced firearms), I don't believe in any of this weirdness but I do believe in interesting movie scenarios, so here goes: U.N. forces occupy the U.S. Everybody hates us anyway so they figure that this way, they can make us be nice or whatever we're supposed to do. Only it doesn't work because a bunch of heartland kids fight for their God given rights to drink beer, play football, raise hell, say derogatory things about the girls they like and anything else. Danny is a comic book geek who names them Wolverines after his favorite character. I get final cut. My nephew Nine Inch Maverik will do the soundtrack. And my friend Eriglione's Mom will do craft services because she makes the best canoli west of Chicago.
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"I dunno. Maybe it's creating a diversion." "Matt says we're winners, Jed. It don't feel like it." "I know. I thought Robert would be the first one of us to crack."
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March 18, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST
"Uh, Jed, Matt's Suing The Wolverines For $100,000,000..."
by Buzz Maverik
"Avenge me. Avenge me."
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"Red Dawn isn’t for everyone. So, if you are interested in seeing a movie filled with preachy political discussions - Red Dawn ain’t for you. If you love movies in which Americans are the bad guys - Red Dawn ain’t for you. If you get emotional watching daytime television - Red Dawn ain’t for you. If you’re a vegetarian - Red Dawn probably ain’t for you." This Tripp Vinson sounds like a thoughtful, articulate fellow.
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There are never, EVER any movies where Americans are the heroes! Why, we might as well all have vaginas and eat sprouts morning, noon and night while watching soap operas and gossiping with the gals! What a man you are, Tripp Vinson! So virile! So musky! So unsubtle!
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Battle Beneath the Earth, a movie where the Chinese were drilling their way through the center of the Earth to pop out in America for an invasion. Back when MGM had balls and had Kubrick making 2001, not the studio it is today where hacks who love a funny B-Movie so much that they want to plop 10 times or more of the original's budget into making it even worse.
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March 18, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST
If you are interested in reading a book not written by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or Tucker Max,
by D Ropaela
Red Dawn ain't for you.
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March 18, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST
If you aren't interested in being exploited by the wealthy,
by D Ropaela
Red Dawn ain't for you.
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March 18, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST
If you aren't interested in nurturing your martyr complex,
by D Ropaela
Red Dawn ain't for you.
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Red Dawn ain't for you.
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Red Dawn ain't for you.
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March 18, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST
If you don't sneer at least slightly when you a hear a name ending in "-stein" or "-berg,"
by D Ropaela
Red Dawn ain't for you.
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March 18, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST
If you don't think war is TOTALLY AWESOME like a Michael Bay movie,
by D Ropaela
Red Dawn ain't for you.
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March 18, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST
America: Indulging in self-parody since January 20, 1981.
by D Ropaela
Seriously, guys, you can stop it now. I've laughed myself silly. My cheek and jaw muscles are numb from the laughter.
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Red Dawn ain't for you.
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March 18, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST
If your life isn't defined by crippling paranoia and self-absorption and the desire to have said paranoia and self-absorption indulged,
by D Ropaela
Red Dawn ain't the movie for you.
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March 18, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST
If you think a movie produced by a guy who claims it will feature Americans "kicking some Commie ass" is indeed making a "preachy political" statement,
by D Ropaela
Red Dawn ain't for you.
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March 18, 2011, 1:54 p.m. CST
The Red Dawn remake: Just another protracted, ill-advised quagmire that will end up costing people credibility and money.
by D Ropaela
Yup, sounds like a GOProduction to me!
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Yet.
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is what is behind trying to get MGM out of debt???? That seems more likely than the have to change it so we can open it in China arguement since more than likely it will never see a release over there anyway.
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what you like, then the Red Dawn reboot is for you!
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maybe it was a "plant" or a joke review of Bay's Transformers posted on this site shortly before the baysterpiece opened stating that it wasn't (and I'm putting this in PC terms) a film for women or people of a different sexual orientation. I guess maybe we should find it refreshing that a film producer is basically saying that if your IQ is so low it can't be calculated, his films for you!
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Ha, yeah! I DO remember that review. Vinson might as well be saying, "Well, if you like to stick your finger in your ass and smell it for fun, then Red Dawn is the movie for you!" He's selling his movie like McCain sold his candidacy by picking Palin as his running mate: "This, America, is what I think of you: caustically ignorant, incurious and shameless."
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March 18, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST
I wonder if Tripp Vinson is a real person, or if he was just manufactured for our amusement.
by Frank Conniff
He kind of seems like the villain in an Adam Sandler movie. I bet he slicks his hair back with gel. This is an entertaining thread. I hope people will keep the mockery coming.
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America doesn't care about Africa because they don't have oil, but the child soldier issue going on could be explored with a RED DAWN remake. Kevin Reynolds has said that he wanted to go with more of a LORD O' THE FLIES approach but I read his TEN SOLDIERS screenplay in film school and it wasn't that far off from what Milius did except it was full of camera direction. LORD OF THE FLIES wouldn't be such a bad angle. Also, people who define themselves as liberal or conservative will shit, but war has an apolitical nature, especially for its' victims. The kids is RED DAWN didn't give a shit about any political ideology any more than your average Vietnamese villager just trying to raise a little rice and maybe get some pork on his table and stay alive. RED DAWN should boil down to Swayze's line: "Because we live here!" which can apply whether you live in Iraq, Vietnam, Canada, or, God forbid, the U.S.
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"Really smart people that spend their days constructing doomsday scenarios for our military and government. The type of people that know the limitations of the North Korean military. The type of people that can project a series of events that could lead to some very scary things happening to our Country. I can assure you, we listened well to those people..." (and those people were the chinese.)
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March 18, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST
If you don't think Irreversible is the best movie of the aughts and you don't enjoy 10 minute long anal rape scenes then Red Dawn ain't for you
by THE_CHOPPAH
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March 18, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST
This fuckwad is misrepresenting my advice to him and the studio.
by THE_CHOPPAH
I never said "North Koreans." I said North Dakotans.
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March 18, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST
Although I did say something about the North Koreans being adept with game theory.
by THE_CHOPPAH
You should really see the little fuckers play Chinese checkers.
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RED DAWN ain't for you.
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March 18, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST
if you eat any other bread than white or any other green than iceberg lettuce,
by zom-bot.com
then red dawn ain't for you and you're a communist homosexual terrorist
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Red Dawn ain't for you.
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March 18, 2011, 3:24 p.m. CST
If you are able to think for more than five minutes at a time,
by D Ropaela
Red Dawn probably ain't for you.
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March 18, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST
if you don't think chink eyes slant down and jap eyes slant up
by zom-bot.com
red dawn ain't for you
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March 18, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST
If you know the difference between there, their and they're,
by D Ropaela
Red Dawn ain't for you.
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Red Dawn ain't for you.
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Yeah good stuff about McCain. Tripp Vinson's comment on who the film is intended for is good because it exposes why so much shit comes out of the Hollywood pipeline. They are totally aware that shit sells in many cases. Not that it will in this case, but boy does it seem like it in most cases. No psychoanalysis needed. You are getting the unfiltered thoughts behind why we get films like The Guardian (Costner/Kutcher), Journey to the Center of the Earth (Encino Man version), and Jim Carey's worst film after Rubberface The Number 23, and why someone brilliant like Paul Thomas Anderson has to struggle just to make some small budget film.
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March 18, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST
if you don't pick up hookers in your musclecar and leave their body in the bushes,
by zom-bot.com
red dawn ain't for you
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March 18, 2011, 3:37 p.m. CST
If you don't have the Larry the Cable Guy blu-ray box set
by THE_CHOPPAH
Red DAwn ain't for you.
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March 18, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST
if you ever got ass raped in highschool gym by guys like me-
by zom-bot.com
red dawn most likely is not intended for your entertainment
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Dash Vanson, Brick Grapple, Skipp Bluntly, Tripp Vinson, Brock Samson, Nick Eviscerate, Chet Manslaughter, or Kyle Skinningknife, red dawn is not for you
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you may not like Red Dawn
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then Red Dawn is most certain for you!
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March 18, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST
if you don't end every sentance spoken to another dude with "..Faggot"
by zom-bot.com
red dawn is probably not your cup of chai tea.
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March 18, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST
If you don't believe that Obama was not born in the United States
by THE_CHOPPAH
then Red Dawn might not be for you!
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i am going to have to assume red dawn will repel you.
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then Red Dawn is not for you!
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I'll flush twice.
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He looks like a sociopath. <p> You can learn a lot about a person by how they choose to represent themselves in their profile photos. He looks like he took that photo of himself while hiding in some woman's closet about to commit an O.J.
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March 18, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST
All joking aside, NO BEAKS, SORRY, BUT TRIPP VINSON DID NOT ADDRESS THE NATIONALITY SHIFT!!!
by THE_CHOPPAH
He totally skirted the issue. EPIC FAIL, BEAKS, IN YOUR LAME-ASSED ATTEMPT AT REPORTING!!! PLEASE TRY AGAIN OR GET A REAL JOURNALIST OR AT THE VERY LEAST SOMEONE WHO CAN DO THE JOB!!!
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March 18, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST
"SO, I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH TRIPP VINSON AND BOY DO I NEED SOME MOUTHWASH" - BEAKS
by THE_CHOPPAH
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March 18, 2011, 4:21 p.m. CST
FACT IS YOU'RE A PUSSY TRIPP AND YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO COMPENSATE WITH YOUR TOUGH GUY TALK
by THE_CHOPPAH
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I will do shit like actually research world politics, current military theory and work out a (very) remotely plausible scenario BEFORE shooting the film. Go with Maverik Pictures on this baby, Tripp, and you won't need to change the nationality of the invaders LONG AFTER the thing is in the can because it will be in theaters.
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I promise to use quantum computing, maybe.
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then red dawn may just be up your alley!
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North Korea invading the US is not plausible in the universe we occupy. There's no way to cut it and the fucking prisoner's dilemma or any other part of game theory isn't going to change that.
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(Much like the Joker's comment in the film...) I keep thinking of how The Dark Night made tons of money damn near everywhere, except around China. With of course lots of people speculating that this was because of how you have the american superhero going to Hong Kong and making the asian security forces and cops look both corrupt and incompetent.. Guess the money grabbing studio excecs paid attention to that. Can't have a hollywood film insulting a place with one of it's biggest markets after all..LOL!
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Don't care where the bad guys are from. Okay, maybe if they were Zombie Smurfs with fiery dragon breath, but only then.
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A RED DAWN remake would have been inspired ...in 2004 or 2005. You know, when WE were the ones invading a country and killing/torturing innocent civilians. A Hollywood blockbuster that showed what it would be like if OUR grandpa or father were being killed or tortured. What it would look like if OUR schools and homes were getting blown up. If WE were the ones attacking the "brave soldiers fighting for our freedom". THEN, maybe we would have thought about what was happening a little differently. But, like always, Hollywood presses its "liberal" agenda by releasing movies glorifying American badassery and our unwaving foritude to never admit we're wrong. Yes, thank you Hollywood for putting things in perspective. After eight years of Hell from the Bush adminstration what do you give us? A bunch of movies about how "great" our soldiers are and a remake of RED DAWN. This movie is to Tea Baggers what the TWLIGHT movies are to thirteen year-old girls. But, if it makes money, who cares? We need more movies mythologizing the good 'ole American "Shoot first, ask questions later". Because all this could actually happen. Its only a matter of time until those socialist commie fucks invade us and try to take away our freedom! We need our morale boosted up. We've been through so much recently. We can't buy all the stuff that we want but don't need. Because that gawd damn government screwed us out of our money! We should be able to invade countries, go to war, buy whatever we want, eat whatever we want, kill whatever we want, and nothing happen to us. Its this fucking government under Barrack HUSSEIN Obama. Raising our taxes! We should just KILL something!! GOD BLESS AMERICA. GOD BLESS HOLLYWOOD BLOCKBUSTERS. Not those liberal bullshit art films. JACK BAUER. Nothing wrong spending one forth our paychecks to see a movie showing us kicking ass! We're Americans, god damn it. Someone comes into my house and threatens my family I'll fucking kill his ethnic ass. Fucking towel head slanted eyed people. VIC MACKEY. No one's gonna take my fucking freedom. I can eat a steak if I want to you socialist pig! GEARS OF WAR MOTHERFUCKER!!! Long live Michelle Bauchman. Smash their ethnic heads in. Fucking terrorists. Ronald Reagan.
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...Red Dawn aint for you.
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Racist stupid old fat white people want to do racist things like drill for oil, fly the American flag and say the Pledge of Allegiance. American liberals bravely fight back by moving to Europe and complaining about racist Dutch and French people trying to ban burquas.
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Just like the last one was, so at least they're keeping it faithful in that department.
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March 18, 2011, 8:48 p.m. CST
The end of his little letter is the most pathetic thing ever
by Andrew Coleman
If you're vegetarian you probably won't like this movie... Kick Commie Ass? Sounds like an ass hole still high off 80's coke. They realize they are fucked so he's trying to reel in ass holes who sit around in the midwest holding rifles drinking bud light. Problem is his idea "Americans" don't actually give a shit to statements like that. Those dudes want good entertainment like everyone else. Trying to make this movie sound hardcore when your name is Tripp just doesn't work. Pathetic fuck. Also you want to prove this movie is "hard core" and American kicking ass and blowing shit up and beating "Commie ass". Then make it rated R. Oh wait you people are limp dick pussies so I'm guessing this movie will be a weak pg-13 with the amount of violence that was in Twilight: Breaking Dawn.
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i'm starting to feel bad about it....sure he's desperate for damage control, but he's having to scramble to react to what people above him decided. i don't know what the fuck i would come up with to say if put in a similar no-win situation. but i'm pretty sure i wouldn't have said any of that last shit.
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Do you use a phone? A white guy invented it. Do you like freedom, white guy again. Space travel, also invented by white guy. Other awesome things invented by honkies; the computer you’re using, air travel, TV, video games, cars, and air conditioning. If you’re Black thanks for the peanut butter, stop lights and AIDS. Don’t sit there and act like other races are better because they’re not. They’re just as bad or worst. They just suck at taking over the world.
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...to kill off homosexuals and overly promiscuous black people. but what our rich white overlords didn't plan on was it getting out of those target demos because they forgot about interracial relationships, drug use, bisexuality, and how many of their own rich white conservatives were closet cases with secret gay lifestyles
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but now they've refined viruses and diseases to be race specific with no drawbacks. anybody remember all those mexicans getting sick last year? even mexicans in northeast north america with no contact to actual mexicans in mexico. hm, curious.
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March 18, 2011, 9:16 p.m. CST
i will be sad when this topic gets pushed off the front page though
by zom-bot.com
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"pretty sure white guys invented aids..to kill off homosexuals and overly promiscuous black people." If only that were true. Whoever did it would deserve a frakkin' medal. Even with the collateral damage it would have been a huge step in the right direction.
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What a douche.
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It has two P’s. For a double dose of douchiness. That’s alliteration, bitchez.
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Means that there will be some reference to it in a clunky exposition dump, while nothing actually occurring in the movie will actually be indicative of any game theory at all.
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March 18, 2011, 10:34 p.m. CST
FINALLY AN ANSWER TO WHAT WAS IN THE SUITCASE IN PULP FICTION
by A game theoretician
IT WAS GAME THEORY.
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i love that show.
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NK releases airborne virus that kill 90% of humanity not vaccinated. Every North Korean of course is vaccinated. NK takes over the world while remaining survivors come to AMERICA to fight for FREEDOM! "Scenes of flag waving and kids driving\shooting with tanks while eating hamburgers and ogling blondes"...
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"No, all you have to do is change the flags and swap languages because the two cultures are almost identical in appearance and behavior! See, now you're not the bad guys. You just are completely indecipherable from them."
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Most of the time it is TBers shitting on movies/people/things that I am okay so I often leave with a sour taste, vowing never to return to AICN... but when someone does or says something monumentally asinine (as has happened here), one can be sure the TBers are going to provide the appropriate and comical lashing. There are some great posts here. Well done, people. His trying to sell the thinktank-stamped approval of a Nork (never heard that term - I like it) invasion scenario and the response here has provided more entertainment than the movie ever could. Thank you, Vinson.
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"You're an animal Tripp!...an animal!..Drink that deer blood...drink it!"
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March 19, 2011, 4:29 a.m. CST
But seriously Tripp, we’re just kidding and we think you are great.
by Frank Conniff
We will all go see your movie, then get wasted and beat the shit out of some vegetarian fags. Good times.
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If you've never flopped your cock on your drunken buddies face and taken photos... Then RED DAWN aint for you.
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the one his parent's gave him before he renamed himself and recreated his life to hide and start over again after killing the 12 year old tijuana hooker (that (turned out to be a boy with a bigger schlong than his) that fateful night of the spring break frat party in '99
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March 19, 2011, 7:52 a.m. CST
The REAL reason the U.K. and France, backed by the U.S. and the Arab League, are going into Libya:
by THE_CHOPPAH
Gadhafi has figured out how to wield the awesome power of game theory. He's just too much of a threat now.
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March 19, 2011, 7:54 a.m. CST
If you think God and Baby Jesus made the world 6,000 years ago, then Red Dawn IS for you!
by THE_CHOPPAH
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March 19, 2011, 7:55 a.m. CST
If Sarah Palin appeals to you as something more than a bitchy MILF archetype, then Red Dawn IS for you.
by THE_CHOPPAH
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Why not just call it Yellow Dawn since your main idea seems to be that all Asians look the same?
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March 19, 2011, 7:56 a.m. CST
Now that I think of it, Tripp probably DID want to call it Yellow Dawn.
by THE_CHOPPAH
But, alas, it was a false dawn.
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Who the FUCK names their kid "Tripp"? Oh, that's right. Bristol Palin.
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Trap Swanson? Tron Johannsen? Turd Bilson?
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March 19, 2011, 8:04 a.m. CST
This movie's key themes: All Asians look alike, they're good at math and they're shifty and evil.
by THE_CHOPPAH
And Real Americans eat red meat and aren't faggots.
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I know that in movies, we suspend our disbelief but this is just too much to swallow. Even going back to the original's premise of sneaking in an army via commercial planes, North Korea couldn't mount an invasion of American much less sustain it. At best, North Korea could send over some operatives to commit terrorist acts. I'm sure I'll look at a trailer just to get a glimpse of the train wreck that is coming (which I'm sure efforts will be made to hide that in the trailer) but I ain't going along with bowing to the Chinese.
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March 19, 2011, 2:31 p.m. CST
Come on, Beaks, you and AICN are embarrassing yourselves again. How can you whore out for such an embarrassing piece of shit?
by reflecto
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March 19, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST
so this is for the americans who like stupid movies then...
by alienindisguise
got it. What a fucking douchebag producer.
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it's a gung-ho patriotic movie for americans- but watered down for a foreign audience. seriously, since the work is already done, WHY NOT JUST RELEASE TWO CUTS? the american version, and the pussified chinese subserviant version for the eastern world. YOU WILL LOSE EVEN MORE MONEY IF YOU RELEASE THE EDITED VERSION IN U.S. THEATERS- DO YOU UNDERSTAND? IF IT'S SHOT, RELEASE IT HERE AS IS. and in the interim, finish all that shitty editing to send overseas. you're already losing money on this, so the question is, how much do you want to lose? BE SMART TRIPP. dude as much as you pissed me off, i want to help you for some fucked up reason. it's fucking common sense to give us our cut. IT'S FUCKING MADE.
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March 19, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST
Chop learned how to tell Koreans and Chinese apart in college
by Darth_Inedible
Yes he's a sensitive, caring modern man, unlike the rest of you negro-lynching sentient dermoid cysts. Little known fact; you can easily tell German women from English women by their slightly darker colored mustache/unibrow fuzz.
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Did he just watch that expendables trailer with a load of coke?
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He's sitting in his den wearing a leopard skin robe with his Mac notebook on his lap, angrily reading all the comments one by one, while a hooker sits beside him on the sofa doing lines of coke off a mirror on the coffee table. After she's done she sidles up next to him, puts her arm around him and says, "Tripp, baby, come onnnnnnn.....let's go to the bedroooooooom..." <p> Tripp grabs hold of her face, pushes her aside and says, "NOT NOW YOU BITCH!!!!", and continues reading this talkback....
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I mean at least the movie was plausible with a Chinese invasion of the United States. It also went along with their promo propaganda signs with the slogans "HERE to HELP" "RESTORING YOUR ECONOMY", but now its just really implausible. The North Koreans can't even feed themselves or heat their homes. I mean having a coal stove in that country is a luxury. Someone just say promos for Homefront and it went something like this. "Yeah, lets do that and we'll be able to sell it on China!" "Yeah, great idea, we fought Koreans right? And they look Chinese." "We'll make so much money." "Let's go get some hot would be actresses and bang on a pile of cash" *high five's around the room*
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Watched that again recently. The first hour is still really good. But I had forgotten how much it descends into a big-budget A-Team episode by the end...rather dull extended shootouts with clunky editing. I guess that marked the moment where Barack Obama's destiny lay in policies that were more about action than drama, for much of the next decade. I was so hopeful when the U.N. resolution came out that it heralded the return of both France and Britain as genuinely powerful nations. But it was a false dawn for both.
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of course military think tanks and military game theory are going to boost the lowly north koreans to evil status because they want to keep it in everyones minds that theyre the enemy. its the same theory that they use when talking up iran, or iraq, or afghanistan, its ludicrous. Australia has a better shot at invading than the north koreans, they cant even conquer their neighbor to the south and theyre on the same island, how are we supposed to believe they can invade the USA. i know its called suspension of disbelief, but id have to be dead to be that suspended. They had a better shot of making it a direct reboot of the movie, chinese and all....the chinese would have saw it, its ludicrous to think they wouldnt.
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Turn the invaders into Apes. Bingo Bango ... instant inclusion into an existing franchise. Apes don't have money so offending them can't matter. Plus, do it quickly and you preempt the new apes film and that's just good business sense.
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You are still a patronising dimwit that has probably made matters worse with your inept spin.
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possible,before the North Koreans take this opportunity and invade their country while attacking Libya.game theory man,game theory.
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March 20, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST
ihatefanboys: You had to ruin an otherwise good post by saying the two Koreas are on an island.
by D Ropaela
It's a peninsula.
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they can all run aroung shooting yanks while saying ' sorry, eh'. Sounds just as plausible as North Koreans.
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March 20, 2011, 1:49 p.m. CST
Why come to a geek website to pitch your Redneck angle?
by DougMcKenzie
Seriously, doesn't Spike TV have a forum on their website? I hope they get the world's wildest police chases guys to narrate the film. "The North Koreans are so bad at invasions it's almost unbelievable"
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it would have been just as implausible, but less of a fantasy. The North Koreans have been proven to be a paper tiger, not worth attention.
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loneliness + alienation + fear + despair + self-worth ÷ mockery ÷ condemnation ÷ misunderstanding x guilt x shame x failure x judgment n=y where y=hope and n=folly, love=lies, life=death, self=dark side
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Clearly he hasn't applied the power of game theory to choosing scripts.
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March 21, 2011, 10:35 a.m. CST
North Korean invasion explained! (SPOILER)
by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview
In the final scene of the movie it is revealed that the entire story took place in the dreaming mind of Glen Beck, who had eaten a Welsh Rarebit before bed the night before.
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March 21, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST
If you love movies written by someone who acquired a high school diploma...
by BurnHollywood
...RED DAWN v2.1 ain’t for you.
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Anyone remember his Doomsday scenario segment where he had an actual, retired, general on who did little more than irritatingly point out the scenarios were bullshit and would not happen? Well, the Red Dawn remake + North Koreans would have been part of that segment.
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The only reason they changed the bad guy from China to North Korea is because of political pressure from Washington D.C. because Washington has to kiss China's bottom to keep them happy because they so in debt to them and wants to keep borrowing more from them. If it was all about over seas markets they would just make the changes for them markets, it's been done before.
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"Watched that again recently. The first hour is still really good." The original is a low budget crapfest. What did you expect? "But I had forgotten how much it descends into a big-budget A-Team episode by the end...rather dull extended shootouts with clunky editing." The original is a low budget crapfest. WHAT DID YOU EXPECT? "I was so hopeful when the U.N. resolution came out that it heralded the return of both France and Britain as genuinely powerful nations. But it was a false dawn for both." Aww. Not enough Uffirmative Nation (UN) action for you?
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What a maroon
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ya know, UNLIKE you fucking assholes?"
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that this movie was going to try and be something more than mindless and offensive right-wing propaganda! I can't get enough! America, fuck yeah! As long as Hollywood tells me who I should fear, I don't have to think for myself! YAY!
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March 22, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST
If you like to kick your dog and beat your wife without spilling your Pabst...
by Willie Bates
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Come on now. That is not a response. Rah rah rah. Why not intelligently address the change? Or at least honestly. "Don't like our digital 'adjustment' - then you're a commie fag!" *sigh*
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You may remember me from such films as "Jingo All the Way" and "Suck II: The Suckining". God, I miss Phil Hartman.
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March 22, 2011, 3:53 p.m. CST
Nuclear Meltdown, third Mid East War, Earth Quake, Tsunami Now this
by In Action Man Reborn Requiem
The NYT is reporting the 5th season of "Mad Men" may be delayed due to contract negotiations. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/23/arts/television/mad-men-fifth-season-date-is-uncertain.html?_r=1
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We need someone on the ground we can depend on, someone who will neutralize the threat that Libya represents to our God-given way of life, someone who will teach that gap-toothed Mohammadan rabble not to tangle with good ol' Uncle Sam! Hey, Choppah? Thanks for your service. Thanks for keeping us free. I gotta go. Got something in my eye.
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i thought reagan and the cold war is gone and the world moves finally on a bit?
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March 23, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST
Trust me, you slackjawed, ignorant tools who watched Rambo and The Expendables
by DoctorWho?
...WILL ALL GO SEE RED DAWN. <p> Tools. Everyone of you.
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March 23, 2011, 1:17 p.m. CST
*sigh* I long for the days of films like RENDITION and LIONS FOR LAMBS
by DoctorWho?
PROPAGANDA WE CAN TRUST!<p>
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...until a softball action-flick remake comes out and then we can shake our fists and speak truth to power!<p> HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
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...from a bunch of assholes who like to talk about how Twilight is "like, so gay man"<p> ...and who can spend months on end analyzing the finer points of Christian Bale's rant.
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