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Published at: March 15, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!

I’m not crazy in love with Manhunter, to be perfectly honest. That’s not to say I think it’s a crap film… quite the contrary. Michael Mann is an amazing filmmaker and Tom Noonan is fantastic as Francis Dollarhyde. The tone has that great ‘80s cop drama grit to it, Brian Cox’s interpretation of Hannibal is less charming, but more sinister than Anthony Hopkins’ Oscar-winning take on the character and there's fantastic use of music throughout, particularly at the end courtesy of Iron Butterfly.

If I have a problem with the movie it’s that I’m a big fan of the book and I felt William Petersen dropped the ball as Will Graham, the investigating specialist tracking down a killer known as The Tooth Fairy. Almost every line he delivered felt like he was just reading, unemotionally, out of a script, not delivering a performance.

In many ways Brett Ratner’s take, Red Dragon, was more faithful to the book, had a better leading performance, but lacked any real flair or energy. I quite liked it upon first viewing, but as I was writing this up I realized I never felt the urge to rewatch it.

At any rate, the photo today features the great Tom Noonan getting his Red Dragon tattoo touched up by none other than Michael Mann. I already have In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida stuck in my head…

Enjoy and click to embiggen!

 

 

 

Tomorrow’s Behind the Scenes Pic of the Day honors the big AICN secret SXSW screening last night!

-Quint
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  • March 15, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST

    I am sure that half of you are clueless about this

    by DangerDave

    and you should be openly mocked for it...... haha.

  • March 15, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Fuck "Red Dragon." "Manhunter" is awesome.

    by WriteForTheEdit

    And so is Noonan. Great pic!

  • March 15, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Flaming guy in the wheelchair FTW.

    by WriteForTheEdit

  • March 15, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST

    I was never that convinced by Norton either to be honest.

    by jasper Stillwell

    Compared to Petersson he seemed really lightweight. But then 'American History X' and 'Fight Club' aside Norton's done little else which floats my boat to be honest so it could be a taste thing. Cox, though, is da man.

  • March 15, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Red Dragon>Manhunter

    by SAILOR_RIPLEY

    That's right, I said it.

  • March 15, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Noonan

    by RustyBedsprings

    He's a true cinema artist, very underappreciated. Too bad all Hollywood could ever think to do with him is make him a bad guy.

  • March 15, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST

    whenever i see Brian Cox..

    by nolan bautista

    in either his past or present work i'll always think of him as Samara's father in "The Ring"

  • March 15, 2011, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Awesome= manhunter

    by mattforce7

    From the low budget final fight sequence to the well rounded mystery of the movie. Red Dreagon was only saved by Ed.Norton and Ralph Fiennes. Other than that, same old same old. Great image, Keep'em coming!

  • March 15, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST

    But Ed Norton<Petersson

    by mattforce7

    Just to Clairify

  • March 15, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST

    sailor_ripley .....

    by DangerDave

    die in a fire. There I said it.

  • March 15, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    thats a great picture.

    by FrankBlacksBarfBreath

    i really liked that movie.

  • March 15, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    never saw Manhunter, but I love Red Dragon

    by mr teaspoon

    Would have never pegged it for a Ratner film.

  • March 15, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Awesome Film

    by Smack_Teddy

    I started feeling cheesed by the closing song, now i just look forward to it everytime - "Listen to my Heart Beat! Heart Beat! Listen to my Heart Beat! A-Woooaaah!" This is a great link to the Lynch-Duran Duran thread

  • March 15, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    ricarleite3

    by Baryonyx

    Cox's Lector came first, so maybe he's the only Hannibal you should accept.

  • March 15, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    lol@naivety

    by mattforce7

    Cox was the first incarnation, so just watch the movie and respect the character, not JUST the actor

  • March 15, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    You are privy to a Great Becoming.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    You are all ants in the afterbirth.

  • March 15, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST

    awesome movie...thx Quint

    by scrote

  • March 15, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Manhunter shits all over Red Dragon

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Manhunter's a fucking amazing film. Red Dragon is like a shot-for-shot remake made by someone with no talent. Manhunter is a piece of art. <p> "Would you like to leave me your home phone number?" <p> "No."

  • March 15, 2011, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Red Dragon is not a shot-for-shot remake.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    But I agree that it is a pile of dogshit. Manhunter is CHOPPAH's favorite movie.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Do You See?

    by ImMorganFreeman

    That's a great pic, and I completely agree with you about the Manhunter like, but not love sentiment. And I read Norton did Red Dragon, took the money, and out it into 25th Hour.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Norton is an equally bland Graham...

    by matthooper8

    But Manhunter is a great film while Red Dragon is just bad. Almost laughably bad. The final 10 minutes are Razzie bad.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Tom Noonan, what an underrated actor! And what a damn good actor!

    by AsimovLives

    Anybody saw THE HOUSE OF THE DEVIL? He was very good in it, mannaging to be both creepy, frightning and oddly sympathetic.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Cox rules Hopkins' face

    by Lucky13

    Deal with it. Awesome movie... Agreed that Peterson was the (very) weak link in the film. But now that Quint mentions it, Norton was also very flat and lifeless as well. Coincidence, or was there something in the books that suggest the character be played that way?

  • Any movie based on RED DRAGON, the showcases will always be either Lecter or Dollarhyde. Dollarhyde is a peculiar psychotatic villain. One actually sympathises with him, one wants him to get bette,r he has a chance at redemption... and the fucking blews it because of a silly misunderstanding! I actually felt pity about dolalrhyde. Still, he was a fucking monster, but helçl, his grandmother! What a fucking bitch!! Small wonder the dude turned up so fucked up!

  • March 15, 2011, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Manhunter is way better than Silence

    by KilliK

    very underrated movie.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Tom Noonan would be great as The Judge in Blood Meridian.

    by SAILOR_RIPLEY

    I can't take credit for that idea however, it was Roger Ebert's.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:11 p.m. CST

    sorry Manhunter fans...

    by FrankBooth93

    I found it to lose my interest several times..it made the storyline incoherent at times..and Peterson externalizing his internal dialogue was laughable.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:12 p.m. CST

    If only Red Dragon WAS a shot-for-shot remake...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...would've been MUCH better. And with more blue.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:12 p.m. CST

    ...and really is any Norton perfomance different from another?

    by matthooper8

    Other than Primal Fear and some of American History X, he's the same in every movie. Tell me the difference between his performance in The Score, Hulk, People Vs. Larry Flynt, The Italian Job. What's his motivation, cashing a check?

  • I am sorry,but if i recall correctly,wasnt that the point of his character? that his encounter with Hannibal had broke him as a person and had turned him into a emotionless wreck? or i missed entirely the point?

  • March 15, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by AsimovLives

    I think that MANHUNTER is a very flawed movie. and the final shotout action scene is just pure silliness. Still, what i like about MANHUNTER is that it truly is a movie made by a director that had a vision and a style of his own. Nobody can take that from the movie, no matter how much flaws it has. RED DRAGON, for me, was better then i would had expected. But i don't put the prasie of what i liked about RED DRAGON on Brett Ratner. No, i know that what i liked about RED DRAGON has to do with the script and the very enjoyble and very talented cast. The directing in that movie almost reads like an afterthough. I heard that in the audio comentary of RED DRAGON, Ratner mentions that his next movie is going to be Superman. If true, that's so funny in hindsight.

  • ...was more fun-asshole than he usually plays it. I liked him in that a lot.

  • The judge is immense. Noonan's far too thin.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    I thought William Petersen was terrific

    by kevred

    I didn't read the book, so I have no basis for commenting on whether it was an authentic performance. But as a viewer of the movie, I really liked it. 'Silence' was a terrific film, and I wish the 'franchise' would have stopped with that film. It and Manhunter were great.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Manhunter did have some silly music on its soundtrack, though.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Fucking Mann and his fetish for over-emotional, keyboard-drive 80s power ballads.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    btw Mann paints the tattoo or he just fine-tunes some

    by KilliK

    small details to make it closer to his vision?

  • March 15, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Manhunter pretty much spawned all the CSI shows out there today

    by Bobo_Vision

    William Petersen as Will Graham must have been the inspiration for whomever put him in CSI, because Manhunter is almost like a pilot film for that series, made by the master of crime TV, Michael Mann.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    "I know that I'm not smarter than you.

    by Billyeveryteen

    Share this quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Will Graham: I know that I'm not smarter than you. Doctor Hannibal Lecktor: Then how did you catch me? Will Graham: You had disadvantages. Doctor Hannibal Lecktor: What disadvantages? Will Graham: You're insane.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:21 p.m. CST

    I do love Manhunter, but I also love "Silence" and have to agree that...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...Hopkins is the definitive Lecter.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Really???

    by blayne

    REALLY??? Wow. I've never disliked 'Red Dragon' but it's biggest fault is that 'Manhunter' kicks its ass. 'Red Dragon' made some VERY George Lucas like mistakes. The ENDING?? Anyone? And one other point: SHRIEKBACK. Nuff said.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:21 p.m. CST

    The ending in Manhunter looks very cheap and abrupt

    by KilliK

    because thats what happened in reality: the production of the movie was left out of budget.so they wrapped it up as quickly as they could.

  • Valerie Perrine. Fuck yeah.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Cox as Hannibal is one of the biggest myths in modern cinema ...

    by GINGE_MUPPET

    In no way shape or form is he superior to Hopkins ... He did a decent job but Hopkins is light years ahead ... saying Cox is a better Hannibal is sheer fucking insanity. Seriously.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST

    And god bless Michael Mann for his love of Wang Chung.

    by WriteForTheEdit

    "To Live And Die In LA" is my favorite MM movie. Along with "The Insider." And "Heat."

  • March 15, 2011, 4:30 p.m. CST

    I always felt Silence was a little overrated

    by Cartagia

    Then I watched it 2 weeks ago in a Midnite showing. A theatrical setting is the way to watch that film. I haven't been that on edge or uneasy watching a film in a long time. Everything just crackles. Almost every shot of Lecter in the first 30-45 minutes are extreme close-ups, and that just adds a surreal power to Hopkins' performance.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    writefortheedit: To Live and Die in LA is not a Mann movie.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    It's a Billy Friedkin joint.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Great, underrated Mann film: Thief, with Jimmy Caan.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Haven't seen it? Well, you better get on that. Or be CHOPPED.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST

    MANHUNTER = Ahead of it's time

    by AlyFox

    Hopkins was great as Lector, but to say he "owns it" is sort of unfair. SILENCE really beefed up the part, made him a show-off, put a lot more theatricality in it, and also gave him a lot more to do. Brian Cox only had a few scenes, and what was brilliant about his performance was that he played it like a normal person, which made it more creepy; no scenery-chewing, no outlandish behavior, just nonchalantly uses a stick of chewing gum to screw with Graham. I disagree about Petersen's performance being bland. I read it as a guy who could be pushed over the edge at any minute, so he restrains himself. Norton, god bless him, plays this tortured agent as a playful puppy, I was really shocked how he missed the mark. Petersen was loads better. Anyway, obviously I loved MANHUNTER, sue me.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Cox is indeed a great Lecter.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    But there's a reason Hopkins' performance is considered one of the greatest in cinema history.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:37 p.m. CST

    the_choppah: fucking D'OH!

    by WriteForTheEdit

    Of course... My apologies, Mr. Friedkin.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Dueling Lectors

    by AlyFox

    I'll just say again, what is it easier to do: walk around a cell that looks like a cave, use a creepy voice, and get a scene where you get to operatically kill two guards, OR sit alone in a small, stark-white cell, just sit there, and in a normal tone of voice, project the fact that you are the most dangerous man in the world? Hopkins was really good, period. I think Cox was more effective.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    So I guess "To Live..." is my favorite FRIEDKIN movie.

    by WriteForTheEdit

    "The Exorcist" ain't too shabby, either. Nor is "Sorcerer." Anyway, my last off-topic post...

  • March 15, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    So, tomorrow...

    by Dollar Bird

    ... is it going to be the shot of Jedi's Rancor and the Dragonslayer dragon (Vermithrax pejorative for all you super nerds) fighting?

  • March 15, 2011, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Petersen is intense in Manhunter, not bland.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    The man practically seethes in every scene. I love when he flips Freddie Lounds (Stephen Lang!) onto that car.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Nothing fishy about your tastes, writefortheedit.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Those are some good flicks there.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Yeah, that's what makes Petersen a great presence...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...Even when he's smiling at you, there's something scary going on behind his eyes. And when he's NOT smiling, get the fuck out of his way.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST

    cartagia just stated the reason most of you have totally fucked

    by UltraTron

    opinions about many films. You're not watching them the way they're meant to be presented. You can even have terrible theater experiences and good ones for the same film. So in retrospect- fuck all of you because I have no idea how you're basing your opinions and you're probably a bunch of shitiots. I'm in the middle of a shiticane! You're a bunch of shit leopards- and shit leopards can't change their spots!

  • March 15, 2011, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Cheers, the_choppah.

    by WriteForTheEdit

    Although I hope calling films like "Heat" and "The Exorcist" favorites isn't going too far against the grain, as it were.

  • March 15, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Red Dragon was good

    by proevad

    Manhunter was great. Only two who came to the party acting wise on Red Dragon were Fiennes and name escapes me now--the blind chick. They were top notch. Rest of the cast seemed asleep. Especially Hopkins and Norton. As far as Manhunter, I thought Petersen was terrific. Only scene where he looked half way calmed down was the one in the grocery store with his son. Surprised he didn't blow an aneurysm filming that movie. INTENSE motherfucker in that. Silence Hopkins kicked ass, red dragon Hopkins did not. Manhunter Cox kicked ass.

  • March 15, 2011, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Brian Cox has less to work with but used it more effectively

    by alan_poon

    Silence is a horror film but Manhunter is a thriller. Personally thought Petersen was fantastic too.

  • March 15, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST

    I want a Director's Cut of The Keep!

    by Ivan_Mtl

    I know that author F. Paul Wilson did not care for Michael Mann's adaptation of THE KEEP (still one of my favorite books), but I quite enjoyed the movie and would love to see a special Director's Cut restoring Mr. Mann's original vision of the film. The movie has a terrific cast, and is beautifully shot by director Mann who really manages to create a wonderfully spooky atmosphere aided by a great soundtrack performed by Tangerine Dream. I actually liked the change that Michael Mann made to Molasar/Rasalom in the film. In the book, he is definitely portrayed as a vampire (or, at least, having been responsible for the vampire myth in the Balcans), but in the movie he is more of a Golem, which makes more sense why Ian Mckellan's character (a jewish professor) would want to enlist his aid in destroying Adolph Hitler and the germans. The movie was obvioulsy heavily edited by the studio, but I just filled in the blanks in my head. I know that the footage must still exist, as there is a rumoured 3 hour version of the film (and the extended ending is available to view on Youtube, and is very much in keeping with the book).

  • March 15, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Neither film is bad

    by Kraven Morehead

    but Manhunter is better: better director and even though both protagonists are the same age at time of filming I get more age or the feeling of the effects of time on William Peterson. BTW, the "reporter" who ends up in the flaming wheelchair is also the antagonist marine in "Avatar". I'm not sure if that's common knowledge but it's a cool stat.

  • March 15, 2011, 5:22 p.m. CST

    he is also the guy who shoots Depp in Public Enemy

    by KilliK

  • March 15, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Manhunter wins

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    anyone who thinks Red Dragon is better has extremely dubious taste. The only flaw with Manhunter is Petersons performance, which I actually don't mind but concede it could have been better.

  • March 15, 2011, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Blind chick in Red Dragon was Emily Watson...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ...one of those creepy, borderline-fugly chicks that come off as sort of sexy for some reason. Blind chick in Manhunter was none other than Joan Allen, who I unfortunately always picture as Pat Nixon anymore.

  • March 15, 2011, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Off topic but bear with me...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ...Who else is irritated by the Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami/Nuclear Disaster coverage musical sting that CNN is using? Sounds like it was lifted from a random Roland Emmerich movie. That said, give whatever you can spare to the Red Cross or other relief organizations & send all the positive energy you got to those nuke plant workers... those guys are the bravest motherfuckers on the planet right about now. And Harry, ya lug, throw up at least a mention of this crisis on this site why don'tcha? A lot of geek goodness has come out of Japan, why not encourage your troops to give something back?

  • March 15, 2011, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Hadn't seen Manhunter yet...

    by Billyeveryteen

    Was flipping through the channels, and stumbled on the scene in the grocery store with his son. Politely explaining to him why he's was so fucked up. I'm like What The Fuck IS this??

  • There just simply isn't enough material or screentime with which to make that claim. Granted, Cox did a great job with what he was given...but he wasn't any more mysterious or menacing than, say, his Jack Langrishe character on DEADWOOD. No, Hopkins owns that role and, as such, he helped deliver the greatest psychological horror movie of all time.

  • March 15, 2011, 6:17 p.m. CST

    And if you think Petersen's performance is bland...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...then you may have a screw loose. The guy oozes intensity throughout the entire film. It's an uneasy calm derived from portraying a guy who can think just like the serial killer(s) he put away. Besides, you've got to love a guy who can calmly tell Lecter that he is sick of the crazy son of a bitch.

  • March 15, 2011, 6:18 p.m. CST

    I loved Manhunter

    by TDH1138

    Mann's "Miami Vice" style leaked into the film, sure, but that was that time and that time called for that Movie. Red Dragon is Ratner's only really good film IMHO. I've never been able to sit through one Rush Hour, but I've seen everything Mann has done. Plus, Petersen is just great. And Noonan was frightening!

  • March 15, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Manhunter SMELLS like the 1980s ...

    by GINGE_MUPPET

    Love it. Any time its on digital TV late at night I have it on in the background ....

  • It's an understandable choice but I wished they had done more with Blake's painting. Seeing as how they had to rush the filming of the final showdown, it's hard to imagine how they would have squeezed in that part of the story.

  • March 15, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Manhunter>Red Dragon

    by Gabba-UK

    Cease your internal dialogue.

  • March 15, 2011, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Saw it in '86 on Hollywood Blvd

    by deelzbub

    I was in LA repo-ing a Suzuki Samurai. Had a few days to kill and wanted to catch a movie while I was there. Saw Manhunter and it blew my mind. Being from ATL, it was cool to see streets and bldgs I recognized in the movie.

  • March 15, 2011, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Well, I'm embarrassed

    by proevad

    Didn't know they made a movie called The Keep, and I sure as hell didn't know Michael Mann directed it. Was one of my favorite horror novels, and he's one of the top 5 directors working. Must have come out when I was in the service. Missed a lot of shit during the first year in.

  • March 15, 2011, 6:40 p.m. CST

    There is no contest in the Hopkins vs Cox debate

    by jawsfan

    They were both great and both worked within their respective movies. I saw "Manhunter" several times before "Silence" was even released. Cox's version seems cool and calculated by comparison, and Hopkins' version seems a bit over-the-top (ESPECIALLY in the awful "Manhunter" rip-off "Red Dragon"). This Hopkins v Cox debate is like the "Tastes Great" v "Less Filling" beer debate. Both were great. "Red Dragon" was so OBVIOUSLY ripping off "Manhunter" in both shot selection and dialogue. I can't believe Ted Tally got solo screenwriting credit for "Red Dragon". So little original dialogue in it.

  • March 15, 2011, 6:41 p.m. CST

    nope. was just a kid

    by proevad

    came out when I was 14. i'll be damned.

  • March 15, 2011, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Joan Allen

    by proevad

    damn good in Nixon, but yeah...when I see her now--that's all i see.

  • March 15, 2011, 6:46 p.m. CST

    proevad...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ...Yeah, or as the mom in Pleasantville... who looked like, of course, Pat Nixon in the 50's.

  • March 15, 2011, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Hopkins is the definitive Dr. Hannibal Lecter

    by DonLogan

    Cox is the definitive Dr. Hannibal Lecktor

  • March 15, 2011, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Peterson Bland?? WHAT???

    by gooseud

    He oozes intensity in every scene. What does he say at the end? Jack Crawford: Look, admit we struck out this month. The lear jet is standing by. The basic lab stuff is on it. You, Zeller, Jimmy Price, the photographer. Anywhere he hits, we can be there in an hour and fifteen minutes. We get the call, we roll. The scene will be fresh. Fresher then we've ever had it. Will Graham: It's not over yet. Jack Crawford: Oh, for Christ's sake! It's a foregone conclusion! It's 11:30 P.M., the full moon is happening tonight. Give it up. Forget this month. It's too damn late. Will Graham: I gave it up! Till you showed up with pictures of two dead families, knowing God damn well that I'd image families three, four, five and six. Right? Jack Crawford: You're fucking right I did! And I'd do it again! Will Graham: Great! But don't talk to me about late, pal! I'll tell you when it's too fucking late! Until then, we go as late as I wanna take it! Yeah, when I was watching that scene, you know what I was thinking? "God thats bland!"

  • March 15, 2011, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Dig Red Dragon

    by ciroslive

    Its Ratner's best movie, which isnt saying much and it pales in comparison to Manhunter.

  • March 15, 2011, 7:04 p.m. CST

    I will say this for Red Dragon

    by gooseud

    Comparing one movie to the other is useless, as one is to the other as (to quote Manhunter) "an ant in the afterbirth", BUT......I will give credit where due, Hoffman made a fantastic Freddy Lounds, thats exactly how I would have pictured that sleazy POS.

  • March 15, 2011, 7:25 p.m. CST

    When is sorcerer coming out on dvd

    by Six Demon Bag

    Widescreen please! Love me some tangerine dream!

  • March 15, 2011, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Quint, you just need to watch it 40 more times. Worked for me.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Classic.

  • March 15, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST

    The reason Manhunter was better? Chris Fucking Elliott was in it!

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

    I just adore that movie. I can watch it anytime. I agree with most that Petersen did NOT phone it in. Although it's not a major scene, I've always enjoyed the part towards the end where Graham is just obsessing over the two videos, talking abstractly to the killer--figuring out how he did it. The way he just obsesses over the details and slowly builds an understanding to the point where he has an epiphany and truly enters the killer's mind. And I have to respectfully disagree with The Choppah. As an unapologetic fan of electronic music and all things synthesized, the soundtrack is just sublime. "This Big Hush" during Dollarhyde's love scene and the crescendo of Graham's theme when he has his epiphany both come to mind immediately. I have yet to finish Red Dragon from beginning to end because I just get so frustrated with how poorly it compares to the original.

  • March 15, 2011, 8:16 p.m. CST

    proevad, you didn't miss anything...

    by Phloton

    ...in not seeing The Keep. It's awful. The monster is kind of cool looking, but it's a bomb. I had read the book too, and was stoked about a movie version, until I saw it.

  • March 15, 2011, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Did you guys know

    by proevad

    that Mann sued Friedkin for To Live and Die in LA? Just found that out. Was reading IMDB trivia. Retarded. It didn't remind me of Miami Vice at all. Lost the lawsuit btw.

  • March 15, 2011, 8:57 p.m. CST

    proevad

    by Morte_Bea_Arthur

    You can't get The Keep on dvd, but it's on Netflix streaming if you get it.

  • March 15, 2011, 9:11 p.m. CST

    My FAVORTIE Mann Film!

    by Nick Michalak

    This my FAVORITE Michael Mann film (but "The Insider" is the best film he's ever made). "Manhunter" entirely inspired my own short film "Dead Of Night" (www.ravensfilm.com/deadofnight), and I feel William Peterson is excellent as Will Graham. Intense and compelling all the way. Everything in this film is excellent, actually. I've never seen a film like this ever before or since. So cerebral and mood oriented, it really gets inside the head of the two opposing psyches in this film. There is a GREAT deconstruction of the film online in part four of "Zen Pulp: The World of Michael Mann" showing the various psychological phases and connections through the film.

  • March 15, 2011, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Petersen owns the role. I've lost all respect for Quint.

    by JuanSanchez

  • March 15, 2011, 9:57 p.m. CST

    the RIPPER!

    by seabiscuits

  • March 15, 2011, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Wow.

    by Traumnovelle

    Manhunter shits all over Red Dragon. I mean....they are not even in the same ballpark. They are not even the same fucking SPORT. Manhunter is a brilliant fucking movie.

  • March 15, 2011, 10:02 p.m. CST

    thanks

    by proevad

    for the advice. I'm gonna watch it. Haven't watched a turd in awhile. It's fun sometimes.

  • March 15, 2011, 10:48 p.m. CST

    shut the fuck up donny

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    I should have been clearer. I did like parts of the score itself, particularly that part you mention when Graham has the epiphany, but that "STRONG AS I AM" song and that idiocy that plays right before the final credits are just pure dated schlock.

  • March 15, 2011, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Mannhunter/Red Dragon and The Keep

    by GrndlWnderer

    Mann's Manhunter was superb, all atmosphere and mood and a creepy and effecting soundtrack, plus Micheal Manns camera, which I have always liked. Slipped into a this movie when I was like 13 at a dollar theater after seeing another movie....loved it. The scene that gets me every time " I feel pity for the child, but the man is a monster" As has been pointed pout by others, Petersen is just so intensely screwed up in this movie....he burns when on screen. AS for who is better as Lector, Cox in Manhunter or Hopkins in Silence...6 and 1/2 dozen I say...each is brilliant, though to give props to Cox he left an impression on me with less screen time... But, as for movies...I have always thought Manhunter wins hands down...Ratner's film always felt...not good to me...just read bad. As for the Keep, not a very good movie...but there is a lot to see here...some great atmosphere, some great visuals, interesting characters..but just kinda falls apart. A valiant attempt that fails...but is worth watching nonetheless.

  • March 15, 2011, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Petersen (and book spoiler)

    by MegaBaz

    Quite surprised that Petersen has split opinion so much, I always thought he was terrific. After the way 'Hannibal' ended (the book, not the film), I hoped that Thomas Harris' next book would have Will Graham going after Lecter to get Starling back. But since the end got changed for the movie, that might not be a viable option. Ed Norton wearing a suit in Red Dragon always looks like a schoolboy to me. Love his other stuff, but not this. Manhunter rules, Petersen owns and Thomas Harris needs to get writing and churn out something better than Hannibal Rising.

  • March 15, 2011, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Just noticed

    by proevad

    How creepy this pic is when you click to enlarge. Noonan looks stone cold evil.

  • I cannot seem to recall a single scene from RED DRAGON, but MANHUNTER stuck in my movie memory for good. I never had a clue what MANHUNTER was about and I saw that film on HBO or something...WOW! Great flick all around. I saw RED DRAGON at a theater. It was OK but dull, slow and, well, depressing. It lacked the tension of MANHUNTER, though the acting was great aside from some stupid again gimmick they did on Hopkins, but I cant recall for sure. Yeah, its one of those flicks that you ask yourself, "Did I see that? Oh yeah, I think I did" and 'CLICK' you change the channel as there was not a single scene worth rewatching. Not so with MANHUNTER. I could sit through it again easily.

  • March 16, 2011, 12:07 a.m. CST

    It is in your nature to do one thing correctly..

    by drdoom_v

    Tremble

  • March 16, 2011, 1:08 a.m. CST

    25th anniversary screening with Mann in attendance!

    by Zardoz

    At the American Cinemateque in L.A., 3/19 at 7:30pm. I so wish I could go!

  • March 16, 2011, 1:08 a.m. CST

    The limits of Brett Ratner's talent

    by mraig

    are pretty apparent in Red Dragon. He is not a bad filmmaker, and Red Dragon is not a bad movie. But it is clear that his major inspiration has nothing to do with Manhunter -- it is to imitate Silence of the Lambs as much as possible. He hires the same actors for the small parts, hires the same screenwriter, and -- this is the most telling -- he reconstructs the sets of Lector's cell from Silence of the Lambs in excruciating detail. <P> In that movie, Jonathan Demme takes what could have and should have been a cheap forgettable thriller and makes a true classic because he is a brilliant director with a specific vision. Ratner makes a lot of technically correct decisions, and assembles an insanely talented group of actors. I mean, seriously, look at the Red Dragon cast: <P> Edward Norton Anthony Hopkins Phillip Seymour Hoffman Ralph Fiennes Harvey Keitel Emily Watson Mary-Louise Parker <P> Ratner gets all this talent together, he has Dante Spinotti as cinematographer -- clearly he wanted to make a great movie. And he made a pretty good movie. But he just doesn't have that touch that the truly great filmmakers do that elevates movies beyond the sum of their parts. Red Dragon has no truly memorable scenes or lines or moments. (Well, okay -- I kind of like the scene where Hannibal Lector is doing his daily exercise on the ridiculous contraption where he's tethered to an ovular track and he leaps out and has the "boo" moment with Edward Norton.) <P> I mean, it's hard to blame anyone for not making a classic, because this movie was a cash grab pure and simple. And it's not a bad film -- the talented group of actors deliver reliable performances, Anthony Hopkins does the voice, Ralph Fiennes give 110%, there is a real tiger, etc. But unfortunately a Brett Ratner movie will probably never be more than this kind of going through the motions. In plenty of technical aspects, this movie is superior to Manhunter, and yet there is a certain raw power that Manhunter has and this movie doesn't that has everything to do with the fact that Michael Mann is just on a different level as a filmmaker than Brett Ratner.

  • March 16, 2011, 1:11 a.m. CST

    The Keep is on Netflix streaming!

    by Zardoz

    It's in my queue. I saw it in theaters back in '82 because I was such a fan of Miami Vice. It definitely has some great imagery in it...

  • March 16, 2011, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Total Film has a 25th anniversary retrospective article

    by Zardoz

    here: http://www.totalfilm.com/features/tf-classic-manhunter

  • March 16, 2011, 4:07 a.m. CST

    The best behind the scenes pic so far

    by Righteous Brother

    I fucking love Manhunter.

  • March 16, 2011, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Manhunter=Good. Red Dragon=Bad. Reasons=Ratner & Norton

    by Liminal

    Yep, even if I begrudgingly agree that Peterson was "bland" (I think a better adjective would be brooding) I think Michael Mann really made that work in favour of the film. It is a great film and I reckon one of the best crime movies of the '80s. Red Dragon is just shameless Hackery, you have bland Norton and bland Ratner...and we all know that 2 BLANDS make a SHITE. Love, Liminal.

  • March 16, 2011, 7:28 a.m. CST

    "As a child, my heart bleeds for him."

    by caruso-stalker217

    "Someone took a little boy and turned him into a monster. But as an adult... as an adult, he's irredeemable. He butchers whole families to fulfill some sick fantasy. As an adult, I think someone should blow the sick fuck out of his socks." Petersen owns this fucking movie.

  • March 16, 2011, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Manhunter - Crime Film of the 80s

    by kubricksnutsack

    I love the film with a passion. Peterson, Noonan, Cox and the assembled cast are great. Red Dragon was a waste of time and money. The movie is so iconic and really set the way stylistically for a lot of movies after it. For those interest in Mann's work, check out The Keep, there's a tracking shot of a boat and some ethereal music which seems an interesting portent of Manhunter's overall style. I like The Keep too.

  • March 16, 2011, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Petersen = Intensity. Norton = Monotone

    by BoggyCreekBeast

    Maybe if Norton's Will Graham 'hulked out" Red Dragon would be worth seeing more than once!

  • March 16, 2011, 8:02 a.m. CST

    The ending

    by gooseud

    Personally, although it has cheesy moments, the visual of Dollarhyde lifting the mirror piece while you see Graham charging at him from outside over his shoulder is iconic.

  • March 16, 2011, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Someone said it above, Red Dragon=Passionless

    by gooseud

    Everyone in Manhunter, from Crawford to Dollarhyde to Graham to Cox's personification of Lecktoe as pure evil minus all the showy gimmicks, they just killed it. Its hard to explain until it ISNT There, and then you are like "Ohhhhh, ok, THATS what Ratner isnt able to capture, the passion". Watching Hopkins go through the motions and Norton barely even able to muster an ounce of energy, you can see whats missing.

  • March 16, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Boo-boos

    by lynchmob17

    I love "Manhunter" and like "Red Dragon". There's one whopper of a continuity error in "Manhunter", though. When Graham and his son are going down the aisle of the grocery store, they stop in front breakfast cereal. After a few cuts between father and son, Graham is now in front of coffee! No biggie, but I notice it every time. And Noonan is the definitive Dollarhyde.

  • March 16, 2011, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Red Dragon tried too hard to be complete...

    by Lobanhaki2

    Manhunter said, "Fuck completeness, fuck trying to fully fill things out." Manhunter had a certain mystery to it, and that great moment when Graham figures it out. Plus, the visuals are cool, especially the glowing eyes!

  • March 16, 2011, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Still prefer this to Red Dragon - And Cox did just fine.

    by impossibledreamers

    Hannibal was only a small part in this film and Cox did a great job. There just wasn't enough material there for him to do much more - annnnd Mann's style is very dry compared to Demme's. Not a fair comparison.

  • March 16, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST

    "Goodbye Horses" by Q Lazarus

    by Ray Gamma

    The only thing Silence of the Lambs has that Manhunter didn't do better.

  • March 16, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Not an expert...

    by JohnDeaux

    But I do know what I like, what moves me, and that is Manhunter. In a BIG way. It drew me in completely the first time I saw it. Great performances, music and cine. Red Dragon is an ant in the afterbirth. It owes Manhunter awe.

  • March 16, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Too much "awe", not enough originality.

    by smatt584

    I saw Red Dragon before Manhunter and I liked RD a lot when I first saw it. When I finally managed to watch Manhunter I really didn't like a lot about it, perhaps more because I grew up with the "Silence" cast and Red Dragon fit better into that universe. Even though I didn't Luke Manhunter nearly as much, what I did notice that Ratners movie, for the most part is almost a carbon-copy of Manns movie, except for the casting, music, and of course the shitty ending Manhunter hangs on an otherwise good movie. In the end I realized that, regardless of my enjoyment, I was giving Ratner too much credit. By no means a bad movie, Red Dragon is still a paint by numbers movie when you think of it. All Ratner did was take the best parts of that ilm universe and put them together, taking the best casting and visuals straight from SOTL and almost every shot composition and of course the same story from Mannhunter. I still like Red Dragon more, something about it just gels with me, but to give Ratner too much credit for that would be like praising someone for tracing the Mona Lisa.

  • March 16, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Read all the books...saw all the films......

    by Darth Macchio

    ..and though it's been a while, I'd have to say that the definitive Lechter on film is without a doubt, Anthony Hopkins, but, and here's the rub, that is ONLY in Silence of the Lambs. Why? Simple, because the character grew to outweigh the movie and in sequels, it was more a "caricature" of what Lechter was on paper and in Silence. We see this often, all of us know it when we see it typically, but it is rarely discussed in critical circles nor rarely articulated through rants or raves. This idea of "character self-awareness" that the actors get when playing famous/infamous characters. The greatest actors loose themselves on screen and the best characters stay with us long after the story is complete. But when great actors begin to personify great characters, the character itself can become so big that the original muse is lost to the novelty of playing that same character and being famous for occupying that character. Hopkins is a brilliant actor who simply redefined psychotic in the modern thriller in the form of Lechter but once that lightening was captured in the bottle, it was simply impossible to ever capture again. The answer, most likely, is not to try at all but allow the narrative to tell a different story. Might work, might not. But they did try to capture it again and they did fail. Badly in Red Dragon and comically bad in "Hannibal Rising". The prequel was interesting but really over the top with the Lechter character. Ironically, had Silence never won the oscar, never made Lechter famous in the states, never became one of the 'de facto' serial killer films (let's not forget how creepily awesome Ted Levine was in Silence), then there likely would not be so much "baggage" tied into how Lechter should be and it might have worked. As to Norton or Peterson? I haven't seen Manhunter in a while but it's a far superior film. Joan Allen was brilliant and that scene in the vet was amazing. Noonan is, as others have mentioned, a great and under appreciated actor (he handled Dolarhyde's oddness without making it creepy like Fienes did a bit). I have to say that tho I think Norton is a better actor, I feel that Peterson better captured the terrible angst that Graham was under and had endured. Red Dragon is the best of the novels and it goes into detail about how Graham's experiences with Lechter affected him. Peterson just had that weight behind his eyes - not sure if it was conscious or just the actor or whatever but he was far more Graham than Norton was, at least how I saw it from reading the book.

  • March 16, 2011, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Another thing that people miss

    by proevad

    is how much Will and Francis are the same in Manhunter. Next time you watch the film, view it from that angle. We get no sense from Norton or Ratner that Will and Francis are anything alike in Red Dragon.

  • March 16, 2011, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Timothy Geithner?

    by donkingkong

    Moonlighting from his Kissinger Associates, Inc. job to do make-up work for Hollywood?

  • March 16, 2011, 6:37 p.m. CST

    they meet again

    by mr star

    Noonan was on CSI as a killer magician, Peterson got to catch him again.

  • March 16, 2011, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Manhunter great, but why the Red Dragon hate?

    by MurderMostFowl

    I didn't mind it at all. This doesn't have to be an exclusive thing... if you like one you can still like the others.

  • March 17, 2011, 12:30 a.m. CST

    DENNIS Goddamn fucking motherfucking hell FARINA!

    by Somerichs

    You all should be ashamed of yourselves. 130-some odd posts on this topic and not one goddamn mention of Dennis "GOD amongst men" Farina, who absolutely OWNS as Jack Crawford. As he does almost every time out, he just about makes this movie. His Crawford is a man of action, dynamic, ruthless, no bullshit, willing to risk one of his best friends' very sanity without apology to catch a killer. You'd do anything for this guy. "I want a chopper on the roof in three minutes to Micks Field. At Micks field I want the Lear jet prepped and a plan filed to St. Louis!"<p>Compare that to the dour sourpuss of Scott Glenn's Crawford: buttoned-up, prissy, displaying nothing at all that supposedly makes him such a great leader. He was the worst part about Silence of the Lambs, particularly having read the books, and it never fails to piss me off when watching that movie that they didn't have Dennis Farina reprise his role. <p> (on a sidenote, I'm sure you all know this one already, but can you name an actor that was in both Manhunter and SOTL?). <p> I could probably talk about Manhunter all the damn day long, I love it so...

  • March 17, 2011, 12:37 a.m. CST

    And megabaz...(book spoilers)

    by Somerichs

    Back in the day, I'd always hoped that Harris would pair Clarice Starling and Will Graham in whatever book came after Silence of the Lambs. Graham was wrecked after the events of Red Dragon (the book); it could have been a hell of a story to have Clarice seek him out, draw him back into the world and have them work together to capture Lecter. That said, could have been equally awesome to have him go retrieve Clarice like you said after Hannibal...that could actually still happen, if I'm not mistaken. I don't think there's anything yet in the literary series that contradicts that possibility, is there?

  • March 17, 2011, 3:40 a.m. CST

    'You're fuckin' right I did, and I'd do it again.'

    by Fortunesfool

    'Great! But don't talk to me about late, pal! I'll tell you when it's too fucking late! Until then, we go as late as I wanna take it! Manhunter is awesome on so many levels.

  • March 17, 2011, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Manhunter > Red Dragon

    by Johnny Wishbone

    1) Cox's portrayal of a manipulative, intelligent head-case will always be infinitely better than Hopkins' phone-in performance as a "boo-hiss" pantomime psycho. 2) Petersen's portrayal of a troubled and emotionally and physically damaged criminal psychologist shits on Norton's neurotic emo. 3) Visually, Manhunter is a much better film to look at in terms of shots, composition and colour. Kudos to Michael Mann. Do you see?

  • March 17, 2011, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Will Graham was a burn out after his original battle with Lecter

    by Jeff Myers

    Will Graham was a burn out after his original battle with Lecter. This EXPLAINS the monotone performance in Manhunter. If you'd read the f***ing book. Oh, and Ratner couldn't direct piss into a toilet! Red Dragon (the movie) had no pace, tension, or depth.

  • March 17, 2011, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Petersen saves Joan Allen, then she fucks him over

    by jawsfan

    Well, sorta. In the movie "The Contender", Joan Allen's character participates in an ambush that destroys Petersen's character's career. All I could think about was how funny it would have been if Petersen turned to Allen and said, "I saved your scrawny ass from the Tooth Fairy and THIS is how you repay me?" Wouldn't you love to be Frankie Faison and have Manhunter, SOTL, and Hannibal on your resume? Bit of trivia for you: The original title of the movie "Red Dragon" was "Red Dragon: A Plagiarized Version of a Vastly Superior Film by a Director who, unlike Brett Ratner, is NOT a Hack" True story.

  • March 17, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST

    geoffrey_fourmyle

    by Darth Macchio

    Fail eh? Yeah, so I didn't look the spelling of his name up. Oddly, you didn't have a single second of trouble knowing who I was talking about but thanks for letting me know what I already knew - that I didn't look his name up prior to writing so someone wouldn't take up their time telling me I spelled it incorrectly. Thanks for that! And I also, though probably not enough, hailed Manhunter as the better movie though I, ahem, personally found Hopkins portrayal in Silence to be superior to Brian Cox's portrayal. Both have been known to overract (Chain Reaction anyone?) but I actually like Brian Cox better than Hopkins as Hopkins can't act past himself in most roles lately and Cox continues to knock it out of the park on even mediocre films. Besides, I still think of Cox as Uncle Argyle from Braveheart. "Ahh, you don't speak Latin? Well then, we'll have to remedy than won't we?" Sorry I made the misspelling on the name Geoffrey. I would promise you that it won't happen again but I just don't really care enough to spend time looking up the spelling of someone's name just so the spelling mistake isn't pointed out by someone else. I hope that's not offensive to you. If there was ambiguity with whom I was referring, that would be a different issue I think. Thanks for your help tho!