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First Pic of Travolta from BATTLEFIELD EARTH
Hey folks, Harry here. Seems that the folks at Eon Magazine have scored the first picture of John Travolta in make up as TERL in BATTLEFIELD EARTH. This is supposed to be a giganticly humungous production... and the budget is big enough to make quite a spectacle. But... This First Image just doesn't instill much 'Ewwwwww' and "ahhhhhhhh" factor. This isn't the first image I would have released... it just looks.. a bit clumsy to me. What do you folks think?
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"X-Men" is going to rule the summer!
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There are 2 sript reviews 'Battlefield Earth' from Mean Mag availabe (at the end of the article). Both negative.
URL: www.lermanet.com/travoltamovie.htm
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"AL PACHINO!!!! GATTACA GATTICA GATTACA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
This will be one of thoes terible movies that you will catch on late night cable and goof on for years. " Is it me or is the supreame leader putting on a little weight??" -
...Travolta isn't investigating the death of a prominent military officer's kinky daughter, then it won't be his worst movie. General's Daughter sucked.
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Does it scare anybody else that Travolta and the rest of that wacky gang over at Scientologists 'r' Us actually think that this is 'true?'
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So, can someone give a synopsis
of the Battlefield Earth story?
Is it straight sci-fi or are
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Dec 17, 1999 5:13:41 PM CST
Did y'all ever read that script review over at Dark Horizons?
by r_dimitri22
That script review at Dark Horizons was there a few months ago. (I don't know if it's the same as the ones mentioned above.) It was one of the funniest things I've ever read. If it was representative of the finished product, I do not foresee good things for this film. That pic of Travolta is so small that I can barely make out the details.
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It's been a while since I read BE, but If I recall, the aliens didn't look anything like humans! They were 10-foot-tall MONSTERS. This is NOT what I'm seeing in that pic ture.
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First off, its not Dianetics. Whoever made earlier post about scientologists believing this movie is real never read the book. What its about: (mini-spoiler) Set in future, aliens have taken over earth for mining, etc. small bands of humans survive, mostly primative - but not stupid. Protagonist goes down mt to investigate legends of "monsters" living in old cities, & finds aliens, & fun begins (btw, aliens not insects, they speak, & are extremely advanced). It goes from an action type to pretty heavy science fiction, with some comedy. remotely similar to Burroughs John Carter of Mars in the way protagonist/aliens/techno effect...... NOTHING TO DO WITH SCIENTOLOGY (not that I know anything about that) - a very good read. Its too bad it looks like this movie will suck.... Also, Generals Daughter was one of years best/under rated movies.
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Pretty weak "alien" design. By "talons for hands" they probably mean long fingernails. Ohhh, scary. I'll hold final judgement for the final movie, but this looks more like an MTV video than an alien commander in a $50mil "summer blockbuster." They proably wanted to keep Travolta recognizable. Pity.
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I was going to make a joke about this film not helping Scientology's image any, but after some quick reflection, I realized, who cares? As for those who think Scientology is "implausible" or idiotic or whatever, The Ten Commandments film doesn't exactly look plausible either. What gives you Judeo-Christian believers the right to think your book of bullshit fairy tales is any more legitimate than anyone elses? If Scientologists get some kind of life-affirming spiritual guidance from their practice than so be it. Personally I think religion is a crutch and at its worst propagates intolerance and prohibits mankind from reaching its highest platitues (look how long the Vatican delayed the public's knowledge of the actual make-up of the solar system). I could go on about how the Vatican originally condoned Hitler's actions, or how many works of art have been silenced, destroyed, or persecuted by organized religion, but I'm sure you're all aware of this. As well as the notion the African slave trade and slaughter of Native Americans wouldn't have taken place if those peoples worshipped the same god as we do. As a result, in our current society, we're prejudiced no matter how much we all seem to have in common. Before concluding this flame-inducing rant, I think a really cool film that KINDA relates to this topic would be an adaption of Roger Zelazny's Lord of Light, where earth colonizes a planet and the rich people take technology away from the public and make themselves representations of the old Hindu gods. One of the greatest novels I've read, and then everyone would get to make fun of people who practice another non-Judeo-Christian religion!
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I have to agree with the guy above. BE is a great science-fiction book. In fact it was one of my favorites for years when I was younger. Unfortunately, I serious doubt that this movie will be good. The book has way too much going on to sqeeze into one movie. And what's the deal with the picture. The aliens are giant, monsters (very advanced and inteligent though). There are not human in any way. This is not a very good sign. I applaud Travolta for trying to get this done, but they are going about it all wrong. But then again what's new. They always seem to screw up good science-fiction books when they turn them into a movie. I just hope LOTR is the exception.
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The Generals Daughter was one of the worst movies of the year and his career.It was a basic plot based on totally disgusting details of some raped and murdered
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While the image may not be the first one that should have been released I don't think that a two-hour movie can be judged by that alone.
A couple of comments for those who have also spoken up.
First, the movie is only the first half of the book. This has been mentioned in several places in print and on the web. Probably ends at the point where the alien's planet goes.
Second, the book is all-out SF. A very good action-packed story that moves swiftly. At Windycon friends of mine (Frederik Pohl, Dean Wesley Smith and Kristine Kathryn Rusch) described it as "compelling."
There is also a pre-production video at
http://www.battlefieldearth.com
as well as at
http://comingsoon.net/trailers
The video has Travolta, Christian (Director), Tatopoulis (Set, Costume, Alien Designs) and Erik Henry (FX Supervisor) all giving some time to describe their vision of making the movie. As they all have some pretty good credits in SF films, I think the movie will smoke.
Also heard a rumor that a teaser is coming soon, so a better idea of the making of this great book into a movie will be available to all.
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The Bible may have as much or less merits than "Battlefield Earth" for some people, but keep in mind that it was compiled over a thousand years by multiple authors who had nothing to gain from their writings and were persecuted for it (the corrupt Popes and catholic leaders came much much later). The founder of Scientology, L.Ron Hubbard, who, when he got into tax trouble, decided to turn his books into a church, so he could be free from the government's audits. Teeny little difference, but it counts for something.
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For that boring post,,yeah yeah yeah. I've seen that same post on Talkback at least 5 times so far...
If you don't believe in faires, or God, or religon..fine! Why does everybody have to insult anything they don't have to agree/believe with?
I'm not into Scientology, but they have as much right to make movies/preach/ whatever they want to do. It'a free country and if you think religon has underminded rational thought, better go back and read your history pal, cause what has happened in the 20th century is nothing compared to earlier times, and that's Christianity, Judism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddahism..you name it.
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Some people have confused "Battlefield Earth" to represent the beleifs of Scientology, when in fact it is the book "Dianetics" by the same author. It is easy to make the confusion, one author writes two pieces of shit, sometimes you confuse the two turdlings.
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or do you feel the need to insult it all, cause you fear it?
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The movie has nothing to do with Scientology? Don't bet on it!
Here are 3 quotes from newspapers:
1) San diego Union (April 15, 1990) txt 'Hubbard Hot-Author Status Called Illusion'
URL: http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Scientology/sandiego.txt
"The real goal of this movie - including a huge advertisement campaign from $cientology - is to establish an identity for Hubbard other than as the founder of a controversial religious movement. His broadened appeal can then be used to recruit new members into the Church of $cientology (Co$)! "
2) Washington Post Nov. 28, 1999 (icluding 3 pics from the set) 'Travolt, Alien Notion'
"No matter what Travolta's role, disaffected former Scientologists say the movie will serve to boost the church's membership and reinforce Hubbard's anti-psychiatry message. But Young--who worked as an image-builder for the church for 20 years before he became disgruntled and quit in 1989--detects a more subtle strategy.
"In one sense, John Travolta is right--this is not a book about Scientology," he says. "But it's a way for people to discover Scientology. It's a lead-in." "
3) From Mean Magazine (Oct.-Dec.1999):
URL: www.lermanet.com/travoltamovie.htm
"If things go as planned, toy stores will be filled with action figures from BE. Author Services (the Scientology owned and operated literary agency whose only client is the late L. Ron) is reportedly in for a piece of the merchandising, since they hold all the copyrights on Battlefield: Earth and the sequels and prequels that make up Hubbard's Mission: Earth series--a book package that one review referred to as "a door stop." Battlefield: Earth was originally published by St. Martin's, but is now owned by Bridge Publications, whose catalog includes (surprise) all the works of the late L. Ron Hubbard.""
Don't get fooled! Author Service Inc. (ASI) is nothing else than $cientology! It's controlled by $cientologists and their only client is the late L. Ron Hubbard! All the money ASI makes with selling the trademark 'Battlefield Earth' goes directly to $cientology and their 'Front Groups'!
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....unless you count Scientologists going out in droves to buy out all the stock of a bookstore's order. Don't hate me Trinity, I'm just the messenger. The source was an article in Time magazine called "Scientology: A Dangerous Cult Gone Mainstream"
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The Marduk Institute doesn't exist! NERV is pulling the strings all by itself!!
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Battlefield Eart was actually no bestseller. Scientology bought all the books back. It's part of a recruitment tool to win new members. Here is a excellent researched article about it:
San Diego Union (April 15, 1990) txt 'Hubbard Hot-Author Status Called Illusion' URL: http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Scientology/sandiego.txt -
Alright.........cool.........we need to stop posting the same thing...
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I read Battlefield Earth way back when it was Soon to Be a Major Motion Picture (something like 1985...) Guess what - it was a fun sci-fi book but I didn't "Get it" so I read it years later when I was older and smarter and I Got It. I got it. It was a science fiction novel - but not a recruitment tool for Scientology. When I found out about Scientology later and that Hubbard was Lord High Kingpin, I kinda chuckled at it all. Who was I laughing at? The guys and gals who joined the church of a sci-fi writer. It didn't change the fact that I liked Battlefield Earth! Heck, if you want to pick on a book by Hubbard, try the Mission Earth books. Given the hatred of psychiatry in that series, I'd suggest that THAT is the real SF recruitment tool. Now none of this is to say that the MARKETING of Battlefield Earth isn't going to be a Scientology recruitment tool. Heck, maybe it will. But marketing is NOT a movie - it's a method to sell a movie. But we can use our great big brains and just see it as a movie and not join the religion.
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Xenu - you're an idiot. Why dont you quote some more anti-scientologists to get that "unbiased" opinion you're slinging. So what if the religion is whacked? The book has nothing to do with it. . .. . . And Joel - cool, except mission earth sucked. I couldnt get past the 3rd or 4th book, where that long-dong dude kept getting his inner thigh scraped with a cheese grater & hot mustard poured on it. What the hell kinda nonsense is that?! so, thats what those scientologists do in their secret meetings........ . .. You know IM Right - Cuz I am Yer Daddy
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Actually this movie was supposed to be an independent film with Travolta taking a back end cut instead of upfront pay. This was a project that he wanted to make for years but nobody would finance it when he was down and out so to speak. (pre-pulp days)Well in true Hollywood fashion this films budget ballooned to over $65 mil. mainly because of a prolonged shooting schedule and the fact that Travolta demanded in his rider that he have a 727 jet sitting at Dorvalle airport in Montreal with a crew 24/7. Hmmm, yup, it sure seems like a low budget small film dear to you heart kinda project doesn't it. Only in Hollywood.
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I think most of the talkbackers have L. Ron Hubbard's "Battlefield Earth" confused with his "Mission Earth" Dekaology (volume of 10 novels.)
They are completely different storylines. For instance, the story in Mission Earth basically outlines Scientology's basic premise...that humans are what were once aliens. (This was echoed humorously in other Novels, such as Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy, where humans were the Telephone Sanitizers from another planet.) It was set in modern day.
Battlefield Earth is a post- apocalyptic storyline, set after aliens enslaved what was left of Humans and how the humans fought to throw off the yoke of their invaders. (ID4 meets Conan.)
Think what you want about the man's organization, L.Ron Hubbard writes some serious kick-ass sci-fi. He started out as a writer, but soon figured out that the way to really make some money was in religion. I don't condone this, but the idea that the man's writing was so compelling that he's able to make his own cult...says something.
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i wonder if this movie is part of travolta 'purging' the bad things out of himself so that he can transcend to the next level of existence. you know, the one with marshall applewhite and david koresh. i think i will make a religion and center it around the simpsons. hell, it's a lot more entertaining and you get more out of it than playing palm hockey with two metal cylinders and expecting a machine to 'read' your emotions. i think scientology is a hideaway for actors past their prime. Travolta? Kirstie Alley? Huggy Bear? fuck it ,cut the cord.
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Travolta was in makeup?
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You're judging a film by a frickin' picture!!?? It could be a damn good flick! You don't know! No one will until May 2000.
Imagine if the first production photo released from Star Wars was of Chewbaca! You people would have said the same thing! "It looks like a frickin' dog!" Yet the film ruled!
And to the person who mentioned that he thought the aliens were supposed to be 10 foot tall... like they were in the book. They are going to be that way in the film! Travolta will be about four feet taller.
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Why the fuck are you talking about Religion??? What does it have to do with this movie? So what... he's into Scientology... what does that have to do with it??
Spielberg is Jewish. So does that mean every frickin' film he makes has anything to do with religion?? Do you judge his films because of that??
And hey Xenu! It's funny when you can't even speak for yourself... you have to depend on the media. You actually believe all of that don't you? Open your mind ya rag.
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Was this thing really checked at $115 million?
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It is religon, it's a story by the founder of the religon.
Actually, A.E.Van Voght was the first sci-fi writer to really bring out the religion in sci-fi stories. Go read his "Voyage of the Space Beatle", published back in the 30's, to see the thinking proccess of it.
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Just thought that needed to be said.
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I checked out the Terl/Travolta pic and I kinda liked it. The fact that he's chosen to split the book into two films seems to indicate that the director is taking some care to preserve the integrity of the book. It's got to be tough getting the costuming right when the seven-foot alien is a main character. It's not like Terl just pops in and scares people once in a while. The aliens (Psyclos and others as the book goes on) are in constant interaction with humans and other aliens. So I think this Terl/Travolta look could be a good solution and work very well.
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A friend of mine is friend's with the director's assistant. The DA told him recently that over the week-end, the director had a bunch of the crew over (including Travolta and his wife) to smoke weed and film a porno. And they were discussing the movie and how they would best be able to make it a hit, and they came up with using subliminal images (like in Fight Club) telling people to join Scientology and donate money to the church and to watch the movie over and over again. Apparently, they're even planning on putting some subliminal messages in the trailers to get to even more people. I think this is true because my friend's friend is really reliable and hasn't ever lied to us before, so why would he about this? I just thought you'd like to know how they're planning to manipulate people to make their religion the largest in the world and to help you realize that they really aren't that innocent. Praise God!
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Well, I read the book back in 85, and I liked it. Although that's not what I pictured the Psychlos as, it is a good interpretation.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but this was a ten part book thing right (with each book clocking in over 500 pages). When I read it , I was fascinated by sci-fi, and you can't deny Mission: Earth was "interesting". The prologue by the censors or whatever were always creative. I think I read almost five of them. Then I turned 13 and realized what a load of crap it actually was. Religion aside, Hubbard is simply a BAD writer. His stuff is interesting, and sometimes funny, but when you get down to it he just doesn't have anything important to say.
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The budget was only $50 million US dollars... click on the eon mag link and they talk about it.
ATTN: BARBARRICK... Lord I hope you're just bein' humorous! Sick thing is... there ARE a lot of people here who would believe that shit (xena).
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First of all, the scientologists are not making this movie to attract people to their faith. I seriously question the sanity of any person who can walk into a sci-fi film and walk out a converted cultist. Why? First of all, it is a science fiction film. I don't think the average moviegoer is going to pick up on all the subtle little Scientology-related things (if there are any). The only people who will pick up on these are people who are already Scientologists, and hooray, they get a little bit more out of their theater-going experience. Now on to the gross. I can almost garauntee that this movie will achieve blockbuster status, regardless of its quality. Why, you ask? Simple. The same publicity stunt pulled to push Hubbard's books into the bestseller's list will be employed to help the gross of this film. Make sense? Of course, you could say "damnit, this film has nothing to do with religion". I'd agree, but the fact is that alot of Hubbard's books didn't have to do with religion, so why did the Scientologists go out and horde the books from the book stores? I'm not bringing religion into it, I'm just using an example of behavior in the past to predict trends in the future. That's all for now.
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...is a bunch of bullshit. L. Ron Hubbard said so himself. The guy is quoted as saying, "I want to get into religion. That's where the real money is." All of it is just bullshit he made up. Have you heard about their creation theory? Some crap about a hydrogen bomb? I loved BOWFINGER as it was making fun of the "church."
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If someone can convince me that profits from Battle Field: Earth aren't being funneled directly to CoS coffers, maybe I'll spend the eight dollars. But this -is- a movie based on a book written by the founder of Scientology, and starring a Scientologist whose function in the church (like that of all the celebrities) is to drum up business, after all.
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Why do ya think I was rippin' on Chewie??? Read it again. I was using him as an example, because before Star Wars came out... if people would have seen a pic of him... they would have said, "What the fuck is that? That thing is in a movie?"
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... be aware that the "church" gets it's members to reveal all of their innermost secrets during a process called "auditing". This information is then used to blackmail members who may want to quit later on. The "church" is constantly taking it's detractors to court. When was the last time you saw The Pope or The Dali Lama sue somebody ? I'm all in favor of religious tolerence but if taking a stand against The Church of Scientology, an organization that routinely practices blackmail and harrassment makes me a bigot...then I guess I'm a bigot. By the way , just so you know what a completely intolerant religious bigot I am I should point out that I also opposse religions that practice human sacrifice.
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Dec 18, 1999 4:09:31 AM CST
Travolta doesn't look remotely like what Hubbard described!
by frank rizzo
I read Battlefield Earth a long time ago, so maybe I don't remember too well...but aren't the Psycholos supposed to be alien?? If I remember correctly, Hubbard never gave a detailed description, but he did say they were very tall (OK, Travolta is on stilts) but also that they had fur and fangs. Someone please tell me that the lack of fur and fangs is NOT due to budget constraints....
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First off, BE is not the 'secret' story at the core of Scientology. The closest it gets is the fact that the aliens are called 'Psychlos' and Scientology has a fanatical hatred of psychiatrists.
I won a copy of the book and the soundtrack of it back in the early eighties in a local newspaper competition. I had never heard of Scientology then, but I found the book to be unreadable and the soundtrack (apparently composed by L Ron Hubbard himself) to be hilariously bad. One track has God asking an angel what is that noise (its a woman crying). The angel replies 'It's Earth'. It's the most badly put together drivel I've ever heard. In short, it's essential listening.
To be fair to Hubbard, neither the copy of the book or the record mention Dianetics or Scientology at all. And while I strongly dislike Scientology it is because of the terrible way it treats its members (like Lisa McPherson who died while in Scientology's 'care') rather than its belief in evil galatic overlords like Xenu. -
Well he looks like a smoothed out Klingon to me.
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The talent involved have some pretty good credits in SF films, someone said? The guy responsible for Travolta's costume designed the American perversion of Godzilla. 'Nuff said. As for Battlefield's box office potential, just look at what the Omega Code did, with no advertising and limited release. I think just the membership of the Crutch of Scientology alone will make it #1 the weekend it opens. Oops, was that a typo?
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PapaF or anybody else, do you have a guess has to how many memebers they have? I would guess 90% of them are in the U.S., just curious.
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He looks like a Viking extra from the 13th Warrior.
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The book was great! However, I don't see how they can squeeze that book into a 2 hour movie. As I recall, the book was about 1,300 pages long. Don't get this book confused with the Mission: Earth series. That was so boring, I could not even finish the first book of the 10 book series.
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Is it just my imagination, or does Johnny bear a striking resemblance to Rob Zombie?
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John Travolta looks like a freak as it is and I have seen another picture of him, He looks like a Gigantic Tall Rastafarian Ewok on Crack and Honestly if this doesn't fall into the Spaceballs Comedy/Sci-fi genre, I don't know what else would.....
Battlefield Earth...Howard the Duck....Battlefield Earth...Istar....Battlefield Earth...WaterWorld...
get the picture kiddos? I really am not trying to be mean but try looking at the picture again with a straight face and if you can, go ahead and plunk down your nine bucks for what is going to be the worst film of 2000! That is no joke!! How do I know? A little duck told me so....... -
Just a couple things
anyone intrested in learning a bit more about Scientology Should check out Operation Clambake at www.xenu.net. Excellent site.
I belive this movie with do well at the box office, because of the fact that Scientologists will go to the movie in droves on full price nights because "L Ron sez so". Like how they buy Copys of his books so they show up on the best sellers list, and then return them to the stores (a friend of mine who worked at chapters told me how they'd get copies of his books with price tags already on them.)
I did try to read the book but i found it...well, bad.
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Why give your money to $cientology when you can but a bootleg of the movie when it comes out on any New York streetcorner(Providing one lives in New York.). Plus, they have nice color boxes now.
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I predict this movie will be the beginning of the end of John Travolta's comeback. Let the first dominoe fall! Ever since his comeback, he has failed to be a part of movies that are interesting or thought provoking, only appearing in big-budget studio ca-ca so he could get paid huge sums of money to keep his airplane collection going. There are people who think this movie has nothing to do with scientolgy? So you think this is a coincidence? Mark my words, if this movie is a success, don't be surprised if you see an L Ron Hubbard biopic coming next. DO NOT SUPPORT THIS BUFFOON'S MOVIES ANY LONGER! He has totally taken advantage of his success and has clearly lost control of his ego.
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You hear how Scientologists were told to go to the bookstores and buy all the copies they had of Hubbard's books just to get the sorry pieces of crap on the bestseller's list? You can bet the same thing will be happening for this movie. Sold out but empty theaters across the country!
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Dec 18, 1999 6:48:59 PM CST
Cool Article about how Travolta pigged out on the sets....
by geekbasher 3.0
and treated the crew like shit at www.mean.com
mean magazine
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Sorry, I needed to make myself laugh. Travolta will habe no credibility whatsoever as the head alien villan because not for one moment when I looked at this pocture or when I watch the film will I ever forget that this is John Travolta in a mediocre costume with makeup. I'm not sure about how much the film will have to do with Scientology but you know John did this so when it comes out he can go do all his little interviews for this "blockbuster action flick" and ramble about his religion and how good it is and it will be relevant to the movie for once in his career because Hubbard wrote the book. I hope Barry Pepper doesn't get dragged down in this pile of dogshit in his attempt to become an action hero because the kid's got lots of talent.
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Just a word on the director Roger Christian - he did this really cool horror film about a guy with psychic powers called The Sender which I still remember images from 15 years later. But then again he also has made total shit like his previous film Masterminds ever since. I wonder if he's part of the cult of Scientology too?
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So John Travolta's been dressing
up like a Rastafarian Ming the
Merciless. Who'd've thought that
while busily demonising psychology, they'd take time out
to dabble in racism, too?
L. Ron was, of course, cheerfully
racist himself -- when you're
making up pages and pages of
fake science, throwing in
stereotypes of all kinds no
doubt makes it easier.
I can hear the dialogue now:
"I and I be conquering Earth
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Is when $cientology uses Santa Claus as a crutch to brainwash little kids. There's a huge Christmas display on Hollywood Blvd. sponsored by $cientology where kids on Santa's lap and ask for their Christmas wishes. $cientology and Santa just don't mix unless "Santa's got a brand new bag!"
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1)L. Ron Hubbard was a crappy author who found a way to get schmucks like Travolta to give him money. BE is a horrible book written by an evil egomaniac (You should listen to the tape where Hubbard is talking about flying in the stratosphere it is the funniest damn thing I've ever heard.)
2)$21,000,000!!!! How does fat boy get that! This is the only evidence I can think of that Hubbard might actually be God.
3)He's supposed to be scarry??? Look at me shake. If I saw an alien that looked like that I'd ask it for a joint.
4)I wonder if The "Chruch" of $cientology will find a way to sue people who don't see the movie? "The purpose of a lawsuit is not to win, but to harass and destroy"-L. Ron Hubbard
5)If this movie is a success can THE L. RON HUBBARD story be far behind? (God help us)
Now I have no problem with people who want to practice whatever wacko religion they want, I do have a problem with a cult that has harrassed and sued those who dare to disagree with it.
It wouldn't be so bad if this was going to actually be a good movie, but the script sucks. If we've learned anything form ID4 its that bad stories with good special effects are still a waste of time.
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It makes perfect sense. The Christian kids sit on sant'a lap,ask for a toy and come Christmas they don't get jack-shit.So when these kids get older, they remember that santa never brought them exactly what they wanted and convert to Scientology. Its an evil ploy by the Scientologists.At least WE christians get all we ask of Santa Clause and Our GOD!
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It's common that people can take Christianity out of context for the sake of criticism and pretend that they know what they're talking about. If they were knowledgable of what they attempted to discredit, they could see for themselves that Christianity is the perfect model for morality and unity. Anything that deviates from those concepts are the results of selfish, HUMAN ambition. Human selfishness is not a characteristic of Christianity at its essence. On the other hand, selfishness is exactly what spawned $cientology. That, and a tad bit of delerium. Hubbard was not only a loon, but a greedy loon. This I can say with confidence. I've researched it and written an essay, which can be found on my page here: http://www.angelfire.com/tx3/goatboy/scientology.html This link contains the basics about what anyone should know about L. Ron Hubbard. It's important because people need to recognize what a deceptive organization it is. It's a social disease that uses every conceivable angle of persuasion to influence and root itself in American culture. Don't beleive me? Then research it. They've set up thousands of businesses to be used as fronts for their organization, and this movie is no different. Hollywood social figures are pampered and catered to as their glittering representatives. These people never see the merciless mechanization that goes on in the real world of the COS meat market. This film is one of those PR vehicles created with the intention of offsetting the opposition that is necessary to limit the growth of this cult. If you think it all sounds paranoid and sensational, then read up. You'll kick yourself for not seeing it sooner.
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"Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion"
L. Ron Hubbard
Reader's Digest reprint, May 1980, p.1
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There is no E in Santa Claus! Oh, and by the way, what exactly the hell does Santa Claus have anything to do with christianity?
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Wow! No HUMAN could look like that! Yes, it's "Battlefield Earth." Starring John Travolta as Supreme Commander Barbarino, with special appearance by Gabe Kaplan as Galactic Overlord Xenu. This movie is totally going to blow.
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Only if you don't ask for anything at all, my friend. "God helps those who help themselves." Cynical, yes, but true.
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I can see the Rob Zombie soundtrack...backmasked with Scientology edicts! Hehe.
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Exhibit A) JT's increasing waist girth
Exhibit B) JT's increasing teleprompter use
Exhibit C) Shit make-up
Exhibit D) Everyone knows this is based on the psychotic meanderings of a bunch of cult zealots desperate to perpetuate some celebrity driven myth about success and $cientology going hand-in-hand
Verdict - John, why don't ya try and work with John Woo again, or Tarantino, or even "Keep-that-guy-away-from-spiders" Sonnenfeld? Sigh, it's your career... Does anyone else remember Look Who's Talking or Perfect? Say hello to aliens that talk (voiced by Bruce Willis) while doing aerobics. I tell ya it'll be HUGE John...just like you. -
The picture looks more like a nordic giant than a monster. The aliens/Psychlos are supposed to look more like the monsters from that children's book Where the Wild Things Are or (some such title). Where are big furry monster men when we need them?
This movie could be so great.
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If you
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Interesting that so many ... "individuals" would comment on something they have absolutely no knowledge of. It looks like maybe a couple of people bothered to read the book. I was fortunate enough to read it before I had learned anything about Scientology - remember, L. Ron Hubbard was an acknowledged Science Fiction Master long before he ever came up with Scientology. And having read a LOT of his work, I can tell you that it (Scientology) does not factor into ANY of it - NONE! B.E. is a "classic" science fiction hero tale, literally in the tradition of Star Wars. The book was fabulous - the movie, well that may be a different thing. But if it fails, it will not be because of Scientology. I don't like the "first look" picture - if that's TERL, then the movie probably WILL suck - only because Psychlos are supposed to be 9-12 foot furry purple gorillas. Originally, I believe that Travolta wanted to play the hero, Johnny Goodboy (I think that's the name) - but he's too old now, so he settled for the head bad-guy. Try reading the book - you'll be VERY surprised. And try out the Mission: Earth deckology (10 volumes) - it's got some GREAT biting socio-political satire.
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As I said before, I have read the book (or rather most of it) and I did it before I became aware of Scientology.
While Hubbard did produce some fine works back in the thirties and forties his talent had clearly faded by the eighties.
BE is slack, badly written, moronic plotting, one dimensional characters and the book is loaded with situations that make no sense at all.
Quite aside from the odious cult he dreamt-up this book is not good. My reasons for knocking BE is not because of Scientology, it's because the book itself is exceptionally poor.
Now, we all know that bad films can come from good books, and vice versa is at least possible because of the number of rewrites the script can have. So, it might be a good film, it might not. Admittedly the current evidence is that it will not be a good film. Time will tell though. The book is crap though. -
Firstly, remember the troll in Time Bandits? That's what the pic of Travolta reminds me of. If you've read the book then you will know that the movie has unlimited potential as a sci-fi tech fest, so on one hand it may be a good film but on the other hand they might miss out a whole lot more just to get entertainment value (if you've read the original (NOT the book of the film) of Starship Troopers you'll know what I mean). Fer chrissakes, Psychlos don't look anything LIKE Travoltas depiction, sure the character of Terl is a major character in the book - sort of a Terry Thomas character in my eyes, the traditional baddie that everybody in a way likes - but to have him portrayed by JT or any other actor is a mistake. CGI would have been better, a la Dragonheart, but then again only a small portion of the audience I guess would have read the book. I hope this works, I really do, but as I've already read the book I'm slightly prejudiced already.
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Battlefield Earth is an OK book, but hardly worthy of 'classic' status. I can think of a dozen sci-fi novels that totally destroy it just off the top of my head. Mission Earth is ponderous and stupid, but makes decent reading if you're a horny 14-year-old who's been cut off from your father's porn collection. The quality of the books has nothing to do with how the Crutch of Scientology might use the project as positive PR, both for Travolta and Hubbard, as well as to make even more money. And people are free to talk about that all they want, book unread.
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What can I say. I have yet to read a book and picture a movie star as I read it. So the movie never looks like what I picutured but this looks like a fantastic job by some of the top spec EFX guys in the business. It should prove to be interesting.
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Please please please please PLEASE!!! If there's a God in heaven, don't let Terl be ruined like this! Take an extra 10 million (or however much it takes!) and do the Psychlos right! They look very little like human beings! They should be about twice as broad as a human, as well as 10 feet tall. They wear breathing apparatus in our atmosphere and have one less digit (finger, claw, whtever) on their "off-hand." What they AREN'T is what Travolta is wearing. This is to John: Don't make the classic mistake of Stallone in "Judge Dread" and Dolph Lungren in "Punisher." Be more of a man than them! Ignore your ego. Become the character! Don't worry about people not seeing your face! You'll give a more authentic performance that way! And overall, you'll make a better movie
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Screw you guys and your scientology crap. This is a fun Sci-Fi story. I don't care if Hubbard started the friggin Moonies! And I've read all 10 of the Mission Earth's (And what's so bad about dissin psychology? Maybe more people should start thinking for themselves) and have read BE at least 5 times. When I was 14, it was great. I lost a lot of the sense of fun when I was 19 (3rd reading. I thought the writing was horrible and bland) but really loved it for the fun story it is when I was 27. I guess I pulled the bug outta my ass. I suggest the lot of you naysayers do the same.
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If you choose to live your life as a moron and become a Scientologist, be my guest. If your film is good, I will show no ill will. It's just that Travolta tries to shove Scientology theories down the listeners throats in between shoving cheeseburgers down his own. The only think that's more bloated then his waistline is his excessive perks on films. I've done some research on this porculent thespian and came across some great reading material which the links for are at the bottom of the page. And you can check out WWW.MEANMAG.COM issue #5 to read even more of his hijinks. And if you think that this is a straight forward Scientology bash, it's not. Tom Cruise does not choose to preach in his interviews and unlike John Revolta, Cruise consistently makes some terrific career decisions. Here are the links. I'll let you judge for yourself.
http://WWW.WWA.COM/~VICKIE/COS/SPY.HTML
HTTP://WASHINGTONPOST.COM/WP-DYN/STYLE/A48280-1999NOV26.HTML
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People devote their life for scientology and work day and night for it, they have to make some money doing it. When scientology becomes big and they don't need to expand and build new buildings, THEN maybe everything will be free. Think of the money as a DONATION. You can't build churches without donations, right?
And if you actually read about scientology or watched a video you would see that you don't need money to become a scientologist. You can get auditing from a trainee for free. And in some cases Scientology will let you get courses for free, too.
Yet you people believe there's a big person in the sky that watches everything you do and controls everything that happens. If someone came up with that idea today, it wouldn't work. He'd be put in a mental institution. You people believe the bible, which was made by the same people who said the earth was flat and people on the other side of the earth had their faces in their chest and hands as feet. You are going to trust these people?
Sorry if I offended anyone, but everytime battlefield earth comes up on this site, a bunch of idiots put up totally untrue facts about scientology. I try to contain myself, but this time I couldn't. -
You can't tell how a movie is when looking at 1 frame out of thousands.
Anyway, from the 2 people that I know that actually saw it said it was amazing. But that's 2 out of thousands still.
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But I seem to remember the name Johnny Goodboy Tyler for some reason as being the lead character. It was a long novel, but very engrossing. I don't see how they
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This movie will scare the crap into you.
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Hey Shill! "Exteriorize" yourself from this site you Rondroid before I tell you the story behind OT III
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enough said.
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That frame looked pretty good on the teaser a couple of nights ago on ET. One thing you can tell about the teaser, they sure have the best EFX guys working on it. Super action packed.
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oh yeah.
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