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THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Plot Details? Badass Digest Has The Skinny!

Nordling here.

Devin Faraci, my brother from another mother, and Badass Digest have seemed to score some major information about the basic plot of Christopher Nolan's THE DARK KNIGHT RISES.  Obviously possible spoilers follow, so be wary.

In Devin's write-up, according to his source, he claims that not only is Anne Hathaway Catwoman but that she's not a villain at all, or at least by the end of the film she isn't.  She and Batman team up to go after the villains from the first film, the League of Shadows, led by none other than Talia Al Ghul, Ras's daughter.  Partnering with Bane (Tom Hardy), who is also a possible love interest, the League of Shadows apparently tries to finish what it started in BATMAN BEGINS.  Somehow, Joseph Gordon-Levitt figures into all this, but it's not clear who he's playing, but as Devin puts it, he's "certainly an antagonist."  I always thought that if they were to reprise the Joker character Gordon-Levitt wouldn't be a bad choice, but it doesn't seem likely that's going to happen.

Click on over to Badass Digest for more conjecture and info.  If the scoop is good, I'm really happy that they aren't dropping those villains from the first film.  Those guys seemed too powerful to just drop off the face of the earth, even if their leader died.  Obviously Nolan's pulled the wool over our eyes before, but Devin seems confident that the information is legit, and so I'm convinced that it's probably right.

Nordling, out.

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  • March 2, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST


    by darth_ghidorah85


  • March 2, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Pretty basic...

    by AlmightyBong

    ... you say...

  • March 2, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    batmans gay

    by Cap'n Jack

  • March 2, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Skrull Kill Krew vs. The League of Shadows

    by Julius Dithers

    Forget the JLA and the Avengers

  • March 2, 2011, 7:09 p.m. CST

    post 56

    by ORIONgods

    idk but it seems like too many charcters/ villans in this

  • March 2, 2011, 7:09 p.m. CST

    im glad if true

    by darth_ghidorah85

    ra's is my fav bats villain good to see it continued, sorta lol oh yeah and finally....FIRST!!!!

  • March 2, 2011, 7:10 p.m. CST

    batman v predator needs to be a film

    by ORIONgods

  • March 2, 2011, 7:10 p.m. CST

    All I see is Anne Hathaway as the Brown Duck

    by Julius Dithers

    Good luck with this one, Nolan. There are some mountains even you can't conquer.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:11 p.m. CST

    This just in from Jettlucas

    by tommyleespenis

    Joseph gordon-levitt will play Mr. Freeze.It is unclear yet whether his ice-hockey team henchmen have been cast but word has it that hulk hogan and Arnold Schwarzenegger are in talks to portray them.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:11 p.m. CST

    If this is true...

    by TDH1138

    I'm down. I also still believe in the Joker being in this Film. Nolan had bigger plans and Ledger's death slowed them down, but didn't stop them. I think Gordon Levitt will indeed be the Joker.... and I support that choice.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:13 p.m. CST

    ohhhh goooodddd forrrrr youuuuuuuuu

    by ORIONgods

  • March 2, 2011, 7:14 p.m. CST

    bring back liam

    by Orion

    If theyre going this route bring back ras.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:15 p.m. CST

    I'm skeptical.

    by tonagan

    Ain't It Vague News.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Capn jack

    by JediWuddayaknow

    Yeah. Batman's gay. So says a guy named "capn jack"...

  • March 2, 2011, 7:17 p.m. CST


    by Stifler's Mom

    This movie will be over-written and weakened by plot holes, as per all of Christopher Nolan's other movies since Memento.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:18 p.m. CST

    I hope Levitt is Jokers also

    by Rebel Scumb

    I know Nolan said Joker wouldn't be back, but that was well before Levitt was announced as being cast, so maybe he changed his mind. I'd really like a hannibal lector type Joker subplot, with him in arkham, completely seperate from the main villians plot. I still don't know about Hatheway, and I keep hoping the title gets changed, but otherwise this sounds good.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST

    It is "cheets"

    by Loosejerk

    Dumbass newb.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:23 p.m. CST


    by steves

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  • March 2, 2011, 7:23 p.m. CST

    the name of this website should be

    by Orion

    Aint it someone elses news.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:23 p.m. CST

    I'm confused...

    by Jared

    "not only is Anne Hathaway Catwoman but that she's not a villain at all" So, she's Catwoman but not a villian?

  • March 2, 2011, 7:24 p.m. CST

    I've heard worse.

    by shutupfanboy

    At least they are keeping the villains as one group minus the Levitt character. We don't need the villains who have nothing in common come together to defeat the villain only to fuck each other over. Curious to see if Levitt is Hugo or Riddler. Liam will be back, he is a sly dog, he will keep it secret til we see the Lazarus Pit.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Tom Hardy as a possible love interest

    by darth_hideous

    You probably should have clarified who he might be a love interest for. Now I'm just confused about the tone of this movie

  • March 2, 2011, 7:32 p.m. CST

    All this sounds fine, but I hate the Catwomen part

    by thatswhatshesaid

    Good...bad...neutral...whatever. Just can't see how Catwomen would work in this film.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Catwoman hasn't been a villain since 2000.

    by shutupfanboy

    Maybe even in the 90s during Knightfall. As soon as she got her own book, she turned good and really Selina has always been a tweener character.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Liam Neeson coulda survived the train wreck, right?

    by HapaPapa72

    If we didn't see a body, maybe he's not dead. And I know Liam would do it. He's in everything these days.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Wow, was that a "Star Wars" Blu Ray spammer up there?

    by D Ropaela

    Gotta give 'em credit. Fuckin' spammers are getting to know their audience here.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:36 p.m. CST

    League of shadows is gay

    by thedarklingthrush

    so is that name al-ghul

  • March 2, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST

    i kinda like that

    by vivalabeck

    sounds like a pretty decent storyline, if a bit overstuffed with villains. Marion Cotillard is perfect for Talia. I can see Tom Hardy as Bane also. Anne Hathaway... it will either be a defining role for her or just ruin the film. Catwoman has always been my favorite character and I really want them to do her justice. If it's a total transformation like Heath Ledger, it could be done. But, if it's true that she's going to be more of a sidekick than an adversary... I don't see it happening. I want a truly psychologically twisted femme fatalle, who represents what Batman could have become had he made different choices. That should be the heart of the movie. There's so much potential in a story like that, there would be no need to add additional antagonists. Still too soon to make any presumptions tho. If anyone can do it, Nolan can.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Makes sense.

    by D Ropaela

    You don't cast Anne Hathaway if the character's going to be a full-on villain. We need to "like" her ... and Nolan/Warners would like to pull in her vast female audience.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:41 p.m. CST

    I feel, however, that going back to the League of Shadows has

    by D Ropaela

    a "re-tread" feel about it.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST


    by vicmackey1268

    always had multiple lives in the's possible that he didn't die. very happy Robin isn't fighting with Batsy

  • March 2, 2011, 7:44 p.m. CST

    If Nolan DOES decide to make Ras al Ghul immortal in this movie,

    by D Ropaela

    I will LOVE to see how the hardest of the hardcore Nolan fans try to square that with their love of Nolan's previously "realistic" take on the material.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Called it.

    by DC Luder

    Along the lines of "Dark Victory"/"Long Halloween", Catwoman was always torn between her own agenda and getting wrapped up in Batman's war on crime. I figured seeing how Nolan has brought elements of both books into play in his movies, Catwoman would be the good little bad girl that she plays so well. As for Bane, he was a love interest for Talia in "Bane of the Demon", although he never measured up to Bats in the "my Beloved"/"sire the heir to my empire"/"well played, Detective" department. I can see Nolan's Bane as a love interest with a thirst for power, only fueled when/if Talia sets her sights on Bats. As long as he kicks Batman ass inat least one good brawl, I'll be happy. As for JGL, I could see him as the Roman's son, the new connection between Gotham and the League of Shadows. Nolan already said there's no way he will have the Joker with Heath Ledger being gone, and I am totally on board with that. I'd always wanted to see the story come full circle, reverting back to Batman Begins... too bad there's no Lazarus Pit or else we could get some more of Liam Neeson Ra's-y goatee.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:48 p.m. CST

    This is not a troll post

    by proevad

    It really is my opinion that Anne Hathaway is going to ruin this fucking movie. Kubrick-Fellini lovechild couldn't get a good performance outta this chick.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST

    These are all lies

    by Lashlarue

    Not epic enough.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:51 p.m. CST

    How can you make sense of what this says?

    by LookWhosTalkbackingNow

    In Devin's write-up, according to his source, he claims that not only is Anne Hathaway Catwoman but that she's not a villain at all, or at least by the end of the film she isn't. She and Batman team up to go after the villains from the first film, the League of Shadows, led by none other than Talia Al Ghul, Ras's daughter. Partnering with Bane (Tom Hardy), who is also a possible love interest, the League of Shadows apparently tries to finish what it started in BATMAN BEGINS. I don't even know what you just said.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:52 p.m. CST


    by Roffstafarian

    Just as BB was about conquering fear and TDK was about the fallout from anarchy then with the daughter of Ra's Al Ghul leading an all out war against the son of Thomas Wayne I think that TDKR will be about legacy. Add to the fact that JGL might be playing Alberto Falcone and if (and this is a big IF) they go into Selina thinking she's the daughter of Carmine Falcone then that point will really hit home. With TDKR and The Avengers hitting the same summer I feel like next summer will be cooler than Shark Week, getting head, and beating up a jock combined!

  • March 2, 2011, 7:54 p.m. CST


    by D Ropaela

    Nice theory. Makes me wish they were calling it "Batman: Legacy" instead.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Sounds good to me.

    by bubcus

    And though I wasn't thrilled about Hathaway as Catwoman, I am warming up to the idea.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Bane a possible love interest? Brokeback Batman!

    by MisterE

    Heath Ledger was cast as the wrong character!

  • March 2, 2011, 8:11 p.m. CST

    I'm not wild about that synopsis...

    by Chewtoy

    ...but it's not like you can tell if it will be good or not based on something that vague anyway.

  • March 2, 2011, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Ras will almost certainly be in this.

    by odo19

    He just won't be played by Neeson. In the Nolanverse Ras is a codename/mantle handed down through the generations. Kind of like an evil version of The Phantom. Since Liam died in BB and they never finished with Gotham it makes sense they would come back at some point when Batman's guard is down. So a new Ras(Bane?) and the daughter of the Neeson version will be the villains of the film.

  • March 2, 2011, 8:14 p.m. CST

    I'd like to see the opposite of the Joker's chaos from TDK

    by Rebel Scumb

    Gotham as a police state, rise in facism to try and catch Batman, something like that. I still really wish they had gone with a Riddler/Strange as a criminal profiler from the FBI who comes to gotham and becomes obsessed with bats

  • March 2, 2011, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Bane is a love interest for Batman? Joel Fucking Schumacher!

    by The Reluctant Austinite

  • March 2, 2011, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Chew on this: Hathaway as Selina angle

    by magnetoelectric

    I just gotta kind of get this off my chest and down on some paper so to speak because its been on my mind post Oscars... Hathaway in that world is still going to be nothing more than Hathaway in the Nolanverse.. Just cause shes playing Catwoman dont think shes going to show up to work with an all new bag of tricks. Heres the thing: Her role will be the "free spirit" to Bales brooding badass.. Dharma to his Greg. Batman in the Nolanverse "growth" revolves around him coming to terms with the fact that jumping from rooftop to rooftop and kicking people in the face is all the joy he has. And thats what shes bringing to the table

  • March 2, 2011, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Sounds like the "Legacy" storyline if this is true

    by atalcot

    Probably the last one I would have guessed them using, but it involved Bane, Catwoman, Talia, and Ra's. Basically Ra's released a virus on Gotham and had made Bane his new heir. My concern with this news is that Talia would be a more interesting villain if she had been in Batman Begins and they had a previously established relationship. Otherwise I'd rather just see Ra's come back to pit his new apprentice Bane against Batman.

  • March 2, 2011, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Argh - I don't see a Hathaway Catwoman working

    by FrodoFraggins

    in Nolan's universe. It's impossible for this film to live up to TDK.

  • March 2, 2011, 8:36 p.m. CST

    (mouth watering) pt. 8

    by NorthTronic

  • March 2, 2011, 8:38 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Like that's gonna happen. LOL

  • March 2, 2011, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Gordon-Levitt: Black Mask or The Joker

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Maybe Christopher Nolan changed his mind and decided The Joker needed to return for an appearance -- maybe WB even prodded. It's pretty much a given that the only actor who could pull it off is Gordon-Levitt. But I don't think it would be necessary for JGL to play the character exactly like the way Ledger did. We can assume that The Joker has been locked up in Arkham and maybe Hugo Strange has molded him... I could see JGL playing the Joker now dressing more prim and proper, his make-up applied more neatly, and his hairstyle more refined. In other words, JGL could play The Joker more closely as he looks like in the comic books, and it could be established that Ledger portrayed The Joker when he was just starting out in his career as a super-villain -- younger, undisciplined, more wild looking. Yet I could also see JGL pull off playing Black Mask. And Black Mask is a villain who certainly would fit in well with the Bat-Nolanverse.

  • March 2, 2011, 8:41 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    This plot was plain from the get-go. Devin states the obvious. Stop the presses!

  • March 2, 2011, 8:44 p.m. CST

    How about this scenario: Batman needs Joker's help to stop Talia

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Joker has been locked up in Arkham. Imagine JGL in the role, and he looks more like the more neatly dressed and looking version of the Joker, and Batman has to go to him in Arkham like he's Hannibal Lecter. Bats indirectly sets things in motion so that The Joker breaks out (perhaps Hugo Strange and Harlan Quinzel have brief appearances in this) and will go after Talia.

  • March 2, 2011, 8:46 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Batman and Robin team up against The Joker, The Riddler and The Penguin who are intent on taking over the world. Now that's a Batman movie.

  • March 2, 2011, 8:46 p.m. CST

    You Ignorant Fucks

    by pursued_by_bear

    JGL is clearly the new head of the League of Shadows. If the name Ra's al Ghul is just a codename or title handed down throughout the ages, JGL is the lastest guy to carry the mantle. <p> I bet he gets close to Bats until the end, when he's revealed as the big bad who's been conducting the entire orchestra of beatdown on ol Bruce. <p> Just watch.

  • The title they are using now sounds like a Lucas Prequel kind of title. I would think they would borrow the wording from one of the chapters of Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns.

  • March 2, 2011, 8:48 p.m. CST

    $40 for the Raiders?

    by capocapocapo

    That's about $35 too much, IMO.

  • March 2, 2011, 8:52 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    The Dark Knight Pops A Load

  • March 2, 2011, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Harley Quinn

    by EpilepticLurcher

    Wish people would stop mentioning that fucking second rate cartoon character. She has no place in the Batman universe other than satisfying a bunch of sex starved basement dwellers. Watch your cartoons and leave the rest of the grown-ups to real Batman villains. She was the only shite thing in the Arkham Asylum game.<P>As for Catwoman not being a villain have any of you naysayers read a Batman comic in the last 20 years?

  • March 2, 2011, 8:54 p.m. CST


    by zooch

    I was hoping this film spends more time with Commissioner Gordon and Gotham Central.

  • March 2, 2011, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Well most of the talkbackers had already said

    by KilliK

    that the most logical step for Nolan was to return to the first movie and complete the full circle. So no surprises in this plot reveal (if it is the real deal),but i wonder what is the inevitable twist going to be?

  • March 2, 2011, 8:56 p.m. CST

    So Catwoman is another vigilante inspired by Batman, eh?

    by D.Vader

    Only Bats has the hots for her and can't arrest her like he's does those clowns wearing hockey pads. That's my guess.

  • March 2, 2011, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Maybe Levitt will play a Joker copycat?

    by KilliK

    it is a clever way to have Joker in the movie but without disrespecting Ledger's work. and maybe that is going to be the movie's twist/big reveal?

  • March 2, 2011, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Not sure I'd call that a spoiler

    by kafka07

    the fact that Nolan keeps saying "Well we want to finish our story..." And Talia is heavily rumored to be in it. Plus we know JGL isn't going to be Robin so of course he's a baddie. It's just easy to put two and two together.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:05 p.m. CST

    I wonder what the batmobile will look like

    by Rebel Scumb

    The blew up the tumbler, which was something batman just adapted from an existing design, and painted black But I presume in this film he will have a custom made batmobile from Lucius. It will be interesting to see if they go with the hummer/ferari blend type style as before, or something a bit more stylized like in other incarnations of batman, ala the Burton batmobile. My guess it will be still fairly grounded in military tech, but I do think we'll see a bit more of the comicbook style in this film the trilogy is basically the batman origin story, when it ends it will have set up the batverse we see normally, with the cave, commissioner gordon, the batmobile, etc

  • March 2, 2011, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Why does everyone think there will be a twist?

    by Rebel Scumb

    The first 2 films didn't have them. They were just solid action/dramas about batman.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:06 p.m. CST

    "Watch your cartoons" Thanks , I will

    by magnetoelectric

    "The rest of the grown-ups to real Batman villains"?? WTF does that even mean dummy? Are you foreign or just fucking retarded?

  • March 2, 2011, 9:07 p.m. CST

    JGL will be the new DA...

    by odo19

    who at the end is revealed to have been the new Ras all along. Bane will be a decoy like Wattanabe was in BB. There, I figured it out. I guess I don't have to see the movie now.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Anne Hathaway is a utter Twat.

    by blackflowerX

    Fuck her as CatWoman.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:11 p.m. CST

    I'm starting to h8 this website....

    by blackflowerX

  • March 2, 2011, 9:11 p.m. CST

    ....More than B4

    by blackflowerX

  • March 2, 2011, 9:11 p.m. CST

    rebel scum: the first two movies didn't have twists?

    by D Ropaela

    What do you call the Ras reveal at the end of "Begins"? Or just about every development enacted by The Joker in "Dark Knight"?

  • toot toot toooooteeetooot

  • March 2, 2011, 9:15 p.m. CST

    does batman fight percy jackson?

    by nametaken

    or was that rumor debunked?

  • March 2, 2011, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Batman finds out that Ghul is alive

    by KilliK

    -Batman: Ghul,you are back? i thought you were dead. -Ghul: I survived the train wreck Bruce,you know when i was trapped on that train who was on collision course,and YOU left me die despite your code of honor and despite that in a similar situation you saved Joker instead of letting him die despite the fact that he had killed your love interest,turned Gotham's last hope into a lunatic killer,murdered a lot of people among them cops doing their duty,destroyed a hospital,kidnapped,took as hostages and threatened to kill hundreds of people,helped the Mafia and tried to kill you. Whereas i found you,trained you,gave you shelter,gave you hope,gave you a meaning in you life,helped you to fight your fear and make fear your weapon,i made you the BATMAN. -Batman: Dont blame me man,blame the overrated guy who wrote me and whose zealot fans compare him even to Kubrick. -Ghul: Who? the guy who turned me from an Arab criminal mastermind,a worldwide super-villain terrorist into a white Irish Ninja with a stupid mustache and an even stupider plan to make your beloved city a better place ? -Batman: that's the one. -Ghul: oh boy...

  • March 2, 2011, 9:21 p.m. CST

    The plots had some unexpected moments

    by Rebel Scumb

    But they weren't twist based movies like an M Night Shylaman movie, or The Usual suspects. Ras at the end of begins isn't really much of a twist, we knew he was bad from very early on, and it seems pretty evident that he is going to be coming back later in the movie. I'm not saying they were predictable. But when people say "what will the twist be"... Its just not how I see these movies. There weren't really any twists in TDK, other than all the marketing made it seem like the truck flipping over "come on! Hit me!" would be the climax of the movie, when really it was the middle. I mean its Batman, the characters have been around for 70+ years. Sure there are new approaches, and I've definitely loved Nolan's take on the material, but I don't see anything in them so far as 'a bit twist'

  • March 2, 2011, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Will catwoman be wearing thick, bulletproof armor?

    by Toruk_Makto

    You know, because in Nolan's universe it wouldn't be practical for her to run around without it. I assume she will also be supported by her own multi-billion dollar corporation. Perhaps as founder and CEO of meow meow kitty chow incorporated?

  • March 2, 2011, 9:23 p.m. CST

    So they're making the movie I have in my head!

    by Zardoz

    This is what I've been asking for and saying all along! Yay!

  • March 2, 2011, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Maybe Nolan had the same idea I imagined awhile back

    by Johnno

    Cast someone new as the Joker who'd look close enough to Ledger and imitate Heath's style very well, which I don't imagine is all that hard to do... If it works out, shoot a potentially throwaway scene where Batman visits the Joker in Arkham to get some information. The Joker won't have his makeup on, so he'll of course seem different even to the audience. See how that scene plays out. If Nolan is unsatisfied with it, cut it out. If he's pleased, keep it in and see how audiences react to the scene. If audiences like it, then you've found your Joker for a potential 4th movie and beyond. Anyway, it does seem to sound liek a lot of villians here, though arguably there were also tons of villians in the previous two if you count the crime bosses so we don't know exactly how big a part some will play. I figure that if Talia is in, she'll be a smaller role and it is Bane who is the central villian and calling the shots. Maybe his origin story is changed such that he is a product of the league of shadows to create the ultimate fearful symbol of strength for their own purposes and also to take revenge on the Batman. Catwoman will probably be the Robin of the series. A woman who idolizes Batman, and is out for her own vigilantism for revenge etc. who oftentimes is an ally of necessity for Batman thoguh she also isn't opposed to crime to hit back at crime, such as being a sort of Robin Hood figure who steals form the rich and corrupt or breaks into their homes to get evidence but under the misdirection that she's just a burgler.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:25 p.m. CST

    I'm not sure what the title should be instead...

    by Rebel Scumb

    But The Dark Knight, was a great title, and fit the movie perfectly, but the reason why was not revealed until the final moments when Gordon explains who batman is. And although batman begins is kind of a silly title, it did suit the movie perfectly I was just hoping for something a bit more creative. Or even something like 'Gotham City' or 'the caped crusader' I'm just sick of hollywood titles with 'rises' or 'rising' in them. What does that even really mean? I still think it would of been cool if Batman Begins had used its fake title "the intimidation game' Would of been even cooler if they had marketed the movie as a Christopher nolan crime thriller, and cut all the trailers using stuff from the first half of the movie, Just end with Bale pulling on the ski-mask for his proto batman outfit. Keep it a secret that it was a batman movie until people were actually watching it. Now THAT would of been a twist. "Holy fuck!? this is a batman movie!??"

  • March 2, 2011, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Catwoman could just be a cat burglar

    by Rebel Scumb

    That would make the most sense. Batman is tracking her, she's an international jewel thief or something. He keeps almost getting her, but finds himself attracted to her, which is conflicting for him. They have a flirtation, she can offer him something other women can't, because she lives in batmans world, not Bruce's

  • March 2, 2011, 9:27 p.m. CST


    by EpilepticLurcher

    Get the fuck out of here. Harley Quinn is a cartoon creation. If you like that shit your not a comic reader. So, yeah fuck you, you fucking moron. Harley Quinn is a character that doesn't fit with the proper Batman Universe other than to draw in pussy-starved fuckers like you. Just so you know, I'm Scottish which means I come from the fair isle that spawned you and the rest of you ignorant motherfuckers. Not generalising the USA as a whole, just the pricks that think they know better than everyone else because they have "History".

  • March 2, 2011, 9:28 p.m. CST

    This is almost the exact plot I pitched to Nolan

    by Jaster

    First off, no I am not Jettl93. And it is highly likely Nolan didn't even pay attention to me and it's just a coincidence. I pitched him this on the community screening of The Dark Knight on Blu-ray. In MY version, Talia Al Ghul IS Catwoman. They are the same person. She follows Batman's lead and combined with training from her father she assumes the mantle of Catwoman in an effort to get close to Wayne. As Catwoman Talia proposes to help Batman and lulls him into a trust which she then uses against him when she brings in the League of Shadows at the climax. I never said jack shit about Bane cuz that's just fuckin' stupid. So yeah, sounds like the film is going in a generally cool direction although I still say he's balancing too many characters and it would have radically streamlined the plot to make Talia Catwoman.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:30 p.m. CST

    And the title should have been...

    by Jaster

    Shadow of the Bat I mean, fucking DUH! But Warner wants to remind the world of the last film. Ok, I still would have preferred Shadow of the Dark Knight then.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Hope this rumor is false

    by smudgewhat

    A League reprise doesn't sound exciting to me. Sounds retread. They need a new weird obstacle. TDK may indeed not be top-able.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Batman finds Selina in the balcony of her house

    by KilliK

    with her pants down,sitting on a cat litter box. -Batman: what are you doing there? -Selina: taking a shit.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Yeah . . .

    by Nick

    because Devin Faraci is such an upstanding and trustworthy journalist. Oh wait, he isn't.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:43 p.m. CST


    by garybuseys_incisors

    That was awesome.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:47 p.m. CST

    It's my own lunatic opinion that...

    by VoiceOfSaruman people are out of your minds. Somebody else playing Joker? That would be the worst comic book movie decision since Batman's nipples. And I'm a Gordon-Levitt fan. But it will never happen. No one else is playing Joker - it's not only totally unnecessary but subsequently totally offensive to Ledger's work. Anyone who thinks that is going to happen knows nothing about decent movies. And haters or not, Nolan knows a lot about decent movies. So much so, that I'm giving him a chance to make Hathaway work as Catwoman. If it were anyone else directing, I wouldn't even go see it, knowing she was cast. But I have faith. And I have faith he won't bring back Liam Neeson. Another silly idea from people who know nothing about decent movies. You have a realistic take on Batman, and (potentially, in theory) a dead villain's daughter coming back for revenge. Ummm, do you see how the dead villain showing up in the movie completely blows both the "realistic" and "revenge" parts? I didn't think you would. No, not you, I was talking to somebody else. You're cool. Yeah, your scriptwriting ideas are awesome. Hollywood awaits you.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:50 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I had a similar idea, that I think I mentioned on here a while back. Talia IS catwoman, and she has the same training as a ninja, so is a physical match for bats, and selina kyle is just her alias while in gotham, to blend in with the socialites. I still wish Eva Green was playing catwoman... or even Tricia Helfer

  • March 2, 2011, 9:50 p.m. CST

    so who plays Talia?

    by charlesbronsonLIVES

    This seems a bit off considering they're getting ready to shoot and we're missing a major cast announcement. I'm not saying it's bullshit. in fact, its barely a scoop, but whatever. I'm just saying that it's a little suspect. Unless of course, it's like rise_of_jett is saying and it turns out that Selina Kyle is actually Talia.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Hathway will work as a CW as long as she wont

    by KilliK

    take her mask off during the whole movie.HA.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:51 p.m. CST

    I can't wait for Superman to be in the "Nolanverse"

    by darthwaz1

    and soon after that...hopefully Justice League, sorta like Marvel is making Avengers!

  • March 2, 2011, 9:51 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    ...that was indeed awesome.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:52 p.m. CST

    If Talia is Catwoman

    by KilliK

    then Nolan must be reading the talkbacks.I and some other people have talked about merging Talia and Catwoman into one character here and i wont be surprised if that wont turn out to be the case. No announcement of who is going to play Talia yet and it also gives a hint of what the new twist might be in this movie.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:54 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    It would make a lot of sense, and really tie in nicely from a character standpoint of having a nemesis for batman, who is basically IS batman, but can also be a love interest.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:54 p.m. CST

    my pleasure guys

    by KilliK

    anyway i have to get some sleep.cya all laters.cheers.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:54 p.m. CST

    If memory serves...

    by Rebel Scumb and I were actually very vocal supporters of this idea quite a long time ago, before it became so popular.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:57 p.m. CST

    this will be the weakest Nolan Batman film

    by Andy Pandy

    Dark Knight will be the best, followed by Begins, Rises will be dead last.

  • March 2, 2011, 10:07 p.m. CST

    I'm not looking for this one to outshine, TDK...

    by Rebel Scumb

    but if it can be on par with BB, I would be happy with that. But I do admit a sinking feeling. I have faith in Nolan, but everyone has to make a dud sooner or later. hell, Pixar is releasing 'cars 2' this summer.

  • March 2, 2011, 10:14 p.m. CST

    And I thought the Prey storyline was a lock?!?!?

    by darthSaul666

    I tend to think this is aimless rumor... I read Prey when I heard the buzz around a couple of month ago... I'm a little surprised Nolan didn't use that story since it would fit well with how TDK ended. Now that the rumor milling is on high I put money that this tidbit is just as false.. I should point out for folks to the Catwoman isn't a complete villain in the funnybooks... Rather morally ambiguous. Does things for her benefit only.

  • March 2, 2011, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Sounds terrible and it's confirmed on BoF

    by johnnyg korrupt

    Batman on Film confirmed it's the plot alright. Sounds fucking terrible. The Hugo Strange story was much more interesting.

  • March 2, 2011, 10:29 p.m. CST


    by Levon Swift

    I think the rumors that JGL is playing Alberto Falcone make the most sense. After all, Carmine was working for Ras in the first movie.

  • March 2, 2011, 10:30 p.m. CST


    by Levon Swift

    kudos to the person who posted that idea already, and shame on me for not bothering to read the posts first.

  • March 2, 2011, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Levitt will be Ra's Al Ghul...

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    after he gets revived in the Lazarus Pit.... right.....

  • March 2, 2011, 10:34 p.m. CST

    I thought Hugo Strange was in this and Marion Cotillard is Talia.

    by seabiscuits

    And the title should not have Batman or Dark Knight in it.

  • March 2, 2011, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Didn't read the article

    by Bass Ackwards

    And am not going to, but man its going to be a long year trying to stay spoiler free on this one.

  • March 2, 2011, 11 p.m. CST

    this will have to do.


    Too bad Ledger can't be back. Sigh.

  • March 2, 2011, 11 p.m. CST

    Marion Cotillard is Talia

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    Hugo Strange has never been confirmed, a lot of people speculated Strange when Josh Gordon Levitt was confirmed as one of the actors.

  • March 2, 2011, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Ra's Al Gaul was immortal in the first movie

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    He survived death in the middle of the first movie and still showed up in Gotham later.

  • March 2, 2011, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Yeah...thanks but no thanks Nordling. You and

    by southafricanguy

    and your Farce acolytes can go click on Badassdogest. You can go suck that cumstains cock...not me. And as the other dude pointed out, we are talking about the the asswipe that is almost always wrong.....

  • March 2, 2011, 11:10 p.m. CST

    but on the other hand Nordling...thanks for

    by southafricanguy

    putting the info here so that I dont have to make myself feel all dirty by contributing any money to that fat, sell out blowhard...Toodles...

  • March 2, 2011, 11:12 p.m. CST

    by dane27

    hugo wasnt speculated when levit was rumoured to be in the movie, he was speculated right before hardy was announced as an unknown character, then people speculated he was going to be strange, as far as levit and colliard being in the movie, that hasnt been announced as official yet. And whoever thinks that making talia and salina kyle/catwoman the same person is a waterhead, thats like riddler and two face turning out to be the same guy, they're different characters end of story. I honestly dont think nolan would have taken this movie on if it was going to be weak, stop assuming the worst. as for eva green or colliard playing catwoman, while they make look the part, theres no way they could lose there accents, and i dont want a french accented catwoman. k thats my rant.

  • March 2, 2011, 11:23 p.m. CST


    by dane27

    how can it have peaked? we havent seen the movie yet, reserve your judgement man, lol

  • March 2, 2011, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Not mention JGL is waaaaayy to young to be Hugo Strange..

    by darthSaul666

    Hugo Strange supposed to be master psychologist/psychiatrist with like 30 years experience in the profession....

  • March 2, 2011, 11:34 p.m. CST

    "Quiet or papa spank."

    by Larry Sellers

    Batman's first words to Catwoman in her first appearance. Not kidding.

  • March 2, 2011, 11:36 p.m. CST

    BoF confimed the leak

    by darthSaul666

    But didn't say what leaked.... Unless I'm looking in the wrong spot?

  • March 2, 2011, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Catwoman is doing this because

    by TheJudger

    Batman isn't. She's the Robin I begged Nolan to make. Dick thinks Batman killed those people in TDK. Dick thinks Batman made the right choice. Dick wants to help, he wants to roll with batman, wants to be him. Dick monitors the police on radio-band, he sneaks around at night on roof tops in bad sections of the city looking for crime. Don't think of him as Robin more like Rorschach. He's not a skinny pencil neck geek. He's a beefed up fuck nut who wants to be hero. He take matters into his own hand. He's doing it all wrong. Dick begins tracking mob figures and killing them. This has already got Gordon and Batman wanting to do soemthing about it. Dick really sets himself up with after he shoots and kills a suspected child molester/killer point blank in broad daylight- when the police are escorting this suspected rapist back to jail after his court hearing. Things go bad. Dick doesn't get away clean. A police office opens fire. Dick is shot in the leg. Dick shoots and kills the police officer- Dick takes off on his motorcycle. Batman shows up, he beats the fuck outta Dick, he takes him to the police station. Guess what.. This improves Batman's reputation with Gotham. He got a cop killer- a wackadoodle dandy off the street. Dick is locked up and charged with murder and many other crimes. Some of the guy in that jail are guys Dick put away. They gang up and make short work of Dick. Dick winds up in the infirmary- raped and beaten. Dick hates Batman now. Do you blame him. Dick wants revenge. Dick is going to fuck batman up. Someone else is in the infirmary. A mystery man. This man had an identity once, but he destroyed it during the prison riot a few years back. He cut off his face, pulled and smashed all his teeth into dust, and burned all the skin off of the bottoms of his hands and feet. Tons of prisoners and staff members died in this riot. The inmates piled those bodies up and set them on fire in the mess-hall. There is absolutely no way to know who this strange man is or what his crimes were. He is a lifer for this very reason. The staff there have nicknamed him Mr. E Mr. E takes a liking to Robin. Together they form a plan to escape in order to get revenge on the Bat. Mr. E promises he has a way to bring the bat down, but he is more interested in revenge on someone else who he wont reveal- (He says it not saying helps to keep his identity secret) but He makes Robin promise to help him when that time comes. So Catwoman could be like This Robin. Only without being so harshly punished that she develops a resentment for him and wants revenge on the Bats. If she is a hero she is doing her acts because the one who normally does it is not doing it as much if at all. Bane are you the prisoner I dream about, or are you just some sort of adaption of the prisoner from the comics? The Ra's Al Ghuls daughter wants revenge- Kinda typical, sounds like the game is replayed only this time Bane is the instrument vs Fear Gas and a Doctor. Who knows though- better to stay positive than revert to a typical Waaahhh Bitch. Hopefully no big super strange device play outs, like the microwaved nutbag gas or the bat cellphone sonar vison. Fingers crossed/ With a thug in a ski mask drawn on the middle finger, and the face of woman with a hand held over her mouth and a knife held under her chin. JGL- Joker might have family. The brother we never knew. Is it absolutely against the rules to invent new characters for comics via films?

  • March 2, 2011, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Hathaway is going to be the weakest link of this film.

    by Thanos0145

    JGL will probably be Alberto Falcone.

  • March 3, 2011, 12:10 a.m. CST

    I am very glad at the news of the return of The League of Shadows

    by Smack_Teddy

    still always though Anne Hathaway way would make a good Talia, but in Nolan we trust...

  • March 3, 2011, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Alright. But what happened to "escalation"?

    by Larry Sellers

    More like regression. Supervillains don't reside in Gotham at all? Just mobsters? I mean I'm down for whatever Nolan's got planned. But TDK hit the right tone with Joker and Two-Face gradually wiping out organized crime. I figured that would pave the way for some more "out there" (at least as far as Nolan's willing to go) villains to fill the void. Returning to the antagonists from two movies ago isn't ideal. But I know Nolan doesn't give a shit about topping himself. He'd rather have a good story than a bigger movie. That's ok with me.

  • March 3, 2011, 1:03 a.m. CST

    No one ever thought of Dick Grayson??

    by Sicuv Uyall

    And that's a shitty idea, creepythinman

  • March 3, 2011, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Nolan's greatness

    by shaft478

    1. The Prestige, 2. The Dark Knight, 3. Inception. Quite possibly the greatest stretch of movies by one director ever. That's not even including Memento

  • March 3, 2011, 1:06 a.m. CST

    oh yeah almost forgot

    by Smack_Teddy

    Ellen Page for Harley Quinn!... Suck it Lurcher you AssClown!

  • March 3, 2011, 1:11 a.m. CST

    One more thing about Nolan....

    by shaft478

    Not only did he direct The Prestige, The Dark Knight, and Inception, but he wrote and produced them. Yes, the greatest 3 movies in a row by anyone person ever.

  • March 3, 2011, 1:16 a.m. CST

    CTM would better in the penquin was killing his own stock

    by TheJudger

    and blaming it on the bat to help build a crusade against him. Would also help to move him into political power since it would make him look like a victim. Not only that it could help him to retain a stronger will on the people and appointed law enforcers and creators in Gotham. Play himself up as the threat against lawlessness against codeless vigilance. In a city already gripped in fear thanks in part to the games the joker played, and the folly batman made for himself by pretending to be a vigilante. No matter what Gordon has to show his ass and be kicked out of the hunt. If he knows the game-plan, then batman will always have an edge. You know i honestly believe that Gordon will find out that Bruce is Batman in this film. Seriously, you know why it's and easy shock moment to toss into the audiences lap. The Catwoman should be a political adviser or a concubine to the Penguin. She finds out about his games and is made an example of and left for dead, but we already went there before.

  • March 3, 2011, 1:16 a.m. CST

    I really hope they do not go with The League of Shadows

    by shaft478

    The idea of Huge Strange manipulating the city and the cops and controlling the leash of Bane, or at least having influenced Bane, is a much better idea than the shitty League of Shadows. I don't think anyone wants to see or cares for the LoS.

  • March 3, 2011, 1:22 a.m. CST


    by A_Banned_Apart

    Godfather, The Conversation, and The Godfather II would like a word with your last statement.

  • March 3, 2011, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Why would anyone awnt to drudge up the inferior Batman begins?

    by IndustryKiller!

    Goyers script for that film is just so painfully awful.

  • March 3, 2011, 1:32 a.m. CST

    The Conversation

    by shaft478

    I'm ashamed I've never even heard of The Conversation. I doubt anyone can dispute Nolan's 3 movie run as the greatest since 1980. Please try.

  • March 3, 2011, 1:36 a.m. CST


    by shaft478

    Coppola was king of the 70's no doubt. Even if you remove The Conversation, the Godfathers and Apocalypse Now would be the greatest stretch of movies ever. Nolan is right behind him though.

  • March 3, 2011, 1:45 a.m. CST

    shaft478, I yield to no one in my admiration for Nolan, but...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...I have 6 words for you. Dr. Strangelove. 2001. A Clockwork Orange. In a row. And I think Nolan would agree.

  • March 3, 2011, 1:49 a.m. CST

    shaft478, you're also forgetting...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...Jonathan Nolan co-wrote the first two of those.

  • March 3, 2011, 1:58 a.m. CST

    "I'm the BANE bitch!"

    by The Dum Guy

    Let us, somehow, make this a meme that will be put into the film. It occured once before, we can make it again!

  • March 3, 2011, 2:07 a.m. CST

    The Coen Brothers. Twice.

    by kisskissbangbang

    Blood Simple.Raising Arizona. Miller's Crossing. Fargo. The Big Lebowski. O Brother, Where Art Thou.

  • March 3, 2011, 2:13 a.m. CST

    I hope we get to see Tom Hardy naked again


    maybe a Bane shower scene?

  • March 3, 2011, 2:41 a.m. CST

    this probably means....

    by HardSteel

    that there will be a catwoman vs. talia smackdown. cool!

  • March 3, 2011, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Bane " a possible love interest"?

    by SithMenace

    Hopefully you mean for Catwoman, right?

  • March 3, 2011, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Other candidates...

    by kisskissbangbang

    Terry Gilliam:Time Bandits. Brazil. The Adventures of Baron Munchausen. (The Fisher King. Twelve Monkeys.) Peter Weir: Gallipoli. The Year of Living Dangerously.Witness. Quentin Tarentino: Reservoir Dogs. Pulp Fiction. Jackie Brown. Robert Zemeckis: Romancing The Stone. Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Back To The Future. James Cameron: The Terminator. Aliens. The Abyss. (Terminator 2.) Martin Scorsese: (After Hours. The Color of Money.) The Last Temptation of Christ. GoodFellas. Cape Fear. Sydney Pollack: Absence of Malice. Tootsie, Out of Africa. Michael Mann: Manhunter. The Last of the Mohicans. Heat. John Boorman: Excalibur. The Emerald Forest. Hope And Glory. Darren Aronofsky: Pi. Requiem For A Dream. The Fountain. Paul Thomas Anderson: Hard Eight. Boogie Nights. Magnolia. Jonathan Demme (If you don't count documentaries): (Something Wild.) Married to the Mob. The Silence of The Lambs. Philadelphia. Rob Reiner: (This Is Spinal Tap. The Sure Thing.) Stand By Me. The Princess Bride. When Harry Met Sally. (Misery. A Few Good Men.) I don't know what happened after that, but, boy, did he have a good run. Not all of these perhaps are classics on a par with the ones I listed for Kubrick, Coppola, and the Coen Brothers, but they're all movies I'd be proud of making. And while The Sure Thing is just a hair less good than the others, Reiner still had a remarkable string going for a while.

  • March 3, 2011, 3:54 a.m. CST


    by Citizin_insane

    We're getting an epic batman 3. calm the fuck down children. I dont want to think about how Nolan isn't the bestest... let me just psyched for another Batman film!!!!

  • March 3, 2011, 4:06 a.m. CST

    Aintitcool talkbacks

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Where The Prestige, The Dark Knight and Inception are the greatest 3 movies in a row by any one person ever.

  • March 3, 2011, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Aintitcool talkbacks

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Where The Prestige, The Dark Knight and Inception are the greatest 3 movies in a row by any one person ever.

  • March 3, 2011, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Catwoman spin-off

    by jasper Stillwell

    This does looks suspisciously like Warners trying set up another Catwoman spin-off once Noaln/Bale jump ship and to keep the bucks rolling in. But now a Catwoman series maybe with Emily Blunt (rather than Hathaway) set in the style of Darwyn Cooke and Ed Brubaker maybe doesn't sound too bad an idea. However the very thought of a re-boot of the Halle Berry version makes my arse itch.

  • March 3, 2011, 4:09 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Completely agree. Nolan's films virtually fall apart on repeat viewings. They are designed as tricks, which means they are pretty cool the first time you see them, but fall apart on later viewings. The only one that stands up is Memento. <p> Whereas Kubrick's films work on so many levels they are, as Scorsese said, "like watching a different movie every time".

  • March 3, 2011, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Has anyone thought that Gordon-Levitt could be Ras?

    by Monkey_King

    He may have went down in that railcar in BATMAN BEGINS, but Ras Al Ghul always keep popping up in Bruce Wayne's life.

  • March 3, 2011, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Guess Devin is desperate for hits

    by magic_ninja

    Oh, and BadAssDigest is nothing more than a Topless Robot/Comics Alliance rip off site. Devin "Glorified Internet Blogger" Faraci's big scoop is cherry picking rumors that have been around for months and then making vague statements. Truly a revolutionary when he's not blaming white people and religion for the world's problems.

  • March 3, 2011, 5:10 a.m. CST


    by cushing1967

    I don't usually care what kind of personality internet journalists have - really, it doesn't matter to me (in the same way I don't care about actors being dicks or musicians being arseholes) - to me it's only the end product that matters. However Devin Faraci just seems to be a complete cock. On CHUD a few days ago their was a report about Sucker Punch possibly being a musical and he was the first comment whining about how he found the story and that CHUD were ripping him off. Even though the story appeared elsewhere and that's where he got it from. It was a stupid, childish reaction to a non-exclusive story. As to the plot of the Dark Knight Rises - seems a wee bit pedestrian but of course it's a bare bones plot summary and as someone wiser than me said - 'it's not the destination it's the journey that matters.' It seems like it could lead to a slightly more cohesive and satisfying story than the Dark Knight. A movie I liked a lot but was spoiled by the seeming inclusion of what probably should have been Batman 3 in the last act. I do think that Two Face should have had more room to breath.

  • March 3, 2011, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Nordling, thanks for sharing your Joker/JGL idea

    by YackBacker

    A truly groundbreaking and original idea!

  • March 3, 2011, 5:34 a.m. CST

    How could you forget...

    by knightrider

    ALFRED HITCHCOCK. Especially since fans (and Empire magazine) seem to proclaim he is the "new Hitchcock". Anyway, Hitch had: Shadow of a Doubt. Lifeboat. Spellbound. Notorious. Dial M For Murder. Rear Window. To Catch a Thief. Vertigo. North By Northwest. Psycho. And many, many other gems in between. Greatest director of all time, bar none.

  • March 3, 2011, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Bane is Batman's possible love interest?

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Now that IS modern. And grim. And gritty. And dorky, uh, I mean, dark. Realistic, though...?

  • March 3, 2011, 5:51 a.m. CST

    Killick missed the part just after where Batman points out

    by Smack_Teddy

    he would have technically killed the joker rather than just not save his life like Ghul had he let him fall, then calls him a poor ignorant dumb scrotum head for this who doesn't get complexities physically or psychologically in situations, and with a desperate blatent agenda against Batman's ultra giant giant tent pole release that hes obviously envious off. <p>Bats then points out Rhas is probably the kind of sociopath who wouldnt flinch lunging for Two-face and accidently getting little timmy shot dead in front of his mother, but thats alright because his near empty-autistic analysis of things presumably since the train crash isn't going to get him anywhere now these days.<p>He then tells him hes going to take care of his daughter real good and produce a son that will be like a middle-eastern-dubian prince-laden brat getting to be an American crime-fighter every day just for Daddy so suck it fool!

  • March 3, 2011, 5:56 a.m. CST

    Aintitcool talkbacks

    by Smack_Teddy

    where some fuckwad is always guaranteed to take ones guys view as representative of all the Aintitcool talkback views

  • March 3, 2011, 6:07 a.m. CST

    Another director with three masterpieces in a row?

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    How about Terrence Malick ya' fuckin bitches?! BADLANDS DAYS OF HEAVEN THE THIN RED LINE Flame me all you want, but those three are pure perfection in my eyes. And John McTiernan also had a damn fine run of three with.. PREDATOR DIE HARD THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER I'm sure I'll think of some others after posting this. Don't get me wrong though, Nolan's run has been impressive no doubt, but he's far from the only director who kicks ass consecutively. Personally I feel that shaft478 might need to watch some more films made before the year 2000 or something. Not ever hearing of THE CONVERSATION reeks of a 15 year old fanboy who somehow believes that if he hasn't seen or heard of something then it doesn't exist and cannot be counted. Bollocks!!!

  • March 3, 2011, 6:10 a.m. CST

    if you cant even appreciate Prestige for how good it is

    by Smack_Teddy

    i cant take your seriously your views on film art and good direction as anything more than a arrogant-juvenile hack analysis of film art and criticism. Really your just a bad joke and wrong to me to trash that movie and Nolan on that level...The Prestige at least on repeat viewings is something else...<p><p> this is coming from a guy who doesn't think TDK is flawless, or that Nolan bears any comparison to Kubrick (its HITCHCOCK if anyone), and completely agrees and does not understand the glaring inconsistencies in reality and logic of moments like the surrounding population being apparently utterly unconscious during the school bus-bank job (still maybe on all those repeat viewings it makes a great double bill with 'Inside Job'!)

  • - as much as i love early Spielberg - and an example of the only kind of shit dragging AICN down

  • March 3, 2011, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Three Great Films in a Row?

    by cushing1967

    Wow. Check out Billy Wilders work from 1945 until arguably 1972 (though personally I think 1970 was his last 'great') Or Alfred Hitchcock from 1934 to 1972

  • March 3, 2011, 6:36 a.m. CST


    by BelgiumRules

    I wish there was some cool news again on this site...

  • March 3, 2011, 6:44 a.m. CST


    by Tristan

    You mean JettL1993 or the guy from Batman on Film? Both are misinforming tools along the lines of Supershadow.

  • March 3, 2011, 6:45 a.m. CST

    After this movie ends the reaction will be...

    by alienindisguise

    is that it? Nolan would get a ton of credit from me if he ends it with Batman getting broken instead of standing triumphant atop a spire somewhere.

  • March 3, 2011, 6:51 a.m. CST

    smack_teddy use sentences ffs mate.

    by KilliK

    i am not going to read your wall of text.

  • March 3, 2011, 6:59 a.m. CST

    i'm wondering

    by vivalabeck

    if Nolan was pressured by the studio to include Catwoman, since Talia & Bane would be too obscure for the mainstream audience - much like how Raimi was forced into including Venom... ?

  • March 3, 2011, 7 a.m. CST

    killik - just a suggestion

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    Please use spaces after commas and periods before you call someone else out for their wall of text. Your posts are skipped by me on the reg for this exact reason.

  • March 3, 2011, 7:12 a.m. CST

    theumpirestrokesbach i dont give a fuck

    by KilliK

    if you skip my posts. ouch, right?

  • March 3, 2011, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Sounds like what I wanted

    by clupula

    Just without the inclusion of Azrael. Still, I'm glad to see they're going with Talia and Bane, instead of someone lame like Riddler or Penguin. And Creepythinman, please don't ever make any movies.

  • March 3, 2011, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Well do you think smack_teddy gives a fuck?

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    Probably not. But cheers for taking my suggestion into account. Only now I would also suggest capitalization.

  • So Bane's love interest is the League of Shadows? A unexpected twist...

  • March 3, 2011, 7:24 a.m. CST

    theumpirestrokesbach what are you,his bitch

    by KilliK

    who speaks for him? ouch part 2, right?

  • March 3, 2011, 7:36 a.m. CST


    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    Are you hurt or something? I speak for me only. And I do so in clear, well punctuated sentences. Why are you getting so snippy anyway? Can you only handle dishing it out? I was merely giving a little back to you. Learn to take it like a man (you big baby you).

  • March 3, 2011, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Nolan bashing is getting very tiring

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Nerd rage at its "finest"

  • March 3, 2011, 8 a.m. CST

    back to Batman

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    looking forward to this but am cautious over the Anne Hathaway choice as Catwoman, but very happy with Hardy. I was like a few others in hoping that Selina Kyle and Talia were the same person, and hoping she was played by Marion Cottilard

  • March 3, 2011, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Plot Points

    by LOST_FAN

    If the reported rumors are true: Guessing Catwoman burglarizes Wayne Manor/Enterprise putting her on Batman's radar. The daughter of Ras wants her revenge and is using Bane's more dangerous and enhanced chemistry to take down Batman and his beloved Gotham. Possible flashback to Bruce's training days and Talia being there. Possibly the Ninja he cut the uniform of to fool Ras. Bruce and her may have had a secret something in those days that we never saw until now. The opening sequence is going to be huge, so I'd guess Bane's prison break out of either Arkham or an unrelated prison. Or him being broken out by the League. I don't think there are going to be any origins of the criminals. They are just criminals already. No story used on how they became that way. The League of Shadows weapons have become more sophisticated over the ages. Possibly their new one is Politics. I'd guess this is how they will infiltrate Gotham this time. The new DA or Mayor will be involved. Destroy Gotham politically and take advantage while Batman is considered a villain. I wouldn't be surprised if they even take responsibility for Joker's actions.

  • March 3, 2011, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Batman after Nolan

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Will we get a JLA movie ? Would love to see an interpretation of Frank Millers Dark Knight Returns

  • Even with the problems I have with TDK, he has shown time and again he knows what he is doing. I hated Ledger as Joker, but I was wrong. I am still not sold on keeping Joker alive while Ledger is dead and why Two-Face had to die. Yet, my major gripe of leaving TDK that way at the end is simmerd thanks to the sequel. He has one of the best directors out there and he has a great eye for casting minus the Rachel Dawes character.

  • Just wondering if that is a possibility or if that is too out there in Nolan's realism based Batman?

  • March 3, 2011, 8:46 a.m. CST

    I would've called it "Once Upon A Time In Gotham City"

    by ChickenStu

    Batman would be a fugitive on the run. The Riddler would be a Scorpio type roof-top sniper who kills a politician/public figure a day unless his crazy riddles are solved. His main goal to bring Batman out of hiding. Robin would be a vigilante, seeking revenge on the death of his parents, who he believes Batman killed. Cat Woman would be a burglar, whom Batman's attempting to track down cause he feels she knows something about the Riddler. Job done. People would see that.

  • March 3, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST

    sounds like more fun and colorful

    by cgih8r

    not in the schumaker way either. Its just interesting I thought for sure it would be a dark serious Hugo Strange plot. Instead they bring in all these fun characters. good for marketing definitely. I am curious how Nolan is going to make cat woman work in his universe..i dont see her as being easy to pull off. we'll see.

  • March 3, 2011, 8:58 a.m. CST

    I thought of that, err

    by rev_skarekroe

    Like what if the Lazarus Pit not only resurrected Ras but put him in a younger version of his body? The problem is, Gordon-Levitt in no way resembles what a 25 year old Liam Neeson would look like.

  • March 3, 2011, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Lazarus Pit and other things.

    by shutupfanboy

    I think Catwoman maybe the easiest person to pull off in Nolan's "Law & Order" with capes. She is a jewel thief and the press gives her the name Catwoman. I expect her opening to be the one with Scarecrow in TDK where its about 5 minutes of running around between Bruce and Selina with Selina getting away in a rather curious way. If he is going to use the Lazarus Pit then I think it will be a sign that the "realistic" nature is gone and the are setting Batman up for more fantastic stuff like a JLA movie or Superman team-up. Again, Liam knows the Hollywood game and he could be lying just to show up at the end like Dafoe in Spiderman 2. No one saw that coming and it was awesome. However, I do think we never saw Ras' body at the end of Batman Begins, so who knows if they will use the pits or not. They used psychedelic flowers in Begins, a giant pool of healing is not that far off especially with Ras' dialogue of being around for awhile.

  • March 3, 2011, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Bane is a possible love interest for Batman?

    by jawsfan

    Back to the "rises" jokes again.

  • March 3, 2011, 9:08 a.m. CST

    If Hathaway sings in the movie, I'm walking out.

    by jawsfan

  • March 3, 2011, 9:09 a.m. CST

    "Rises" is gonna be as good as Spider-Man 3.

    by jawsfan


  • March 3, 2011, 9:16 a.m. CST

    miyamoto_musashi, good ideas

    by Jaster

    I really like the concept of flashbacks showing a budding romance between Bruce and Talia during his training. And I like the idea of her using Bane to get revenge on Bruce, stringing him along. And we get the idea that she's just as upset, if not more so, with Bruce for leaving her as she is for him killing her father. Or at least leaving him for dead. Bane has usually been depicted as a henchman that isn't too bright so I can definitely see him falling for Talia's manipulation before realizing at the end that she was just using him as a weapon against the man that spurned her. So he attacks her, Batman saves her, probably killing Bane, and Talia gets all doe-eyed at Bruce for saving her....and they have a passionate kiss. And just when she's getting uber-wet, he pulls out the bat-grapple and leaves her again. I don't know, that feels like a complete story to me so now I'm wondering if Catwoman was shoe-horned in a la Venom in Spider-Man 3. 3, possibly 4 villains? Shaky ground. But then TDK had 3 villains and a cameo by Scarecrow so if there's one filmmaker I trust to do it right, it's Nolan.

  • March 3, 2011, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Not buying this!

    by donchild

    No way!, Batman & Catwoman teaming up to stop Talia & The League of Shaows from destroying Gotham, Bane as her muscle/love interest!!!!! Sounds like an unimaginative rehash of Begins. I doubt that Nolan would resort to a storyline like this to finish his trilogy. As a filmmaker he's at his peak right now (maybe not even yet) and it would seem real strange if he made this movie so similar to a previous movie never mind one of his own Batman movies! As for Hardy's Bane simply being a glorified henchman and not being a character driving his own agenda to beat the Bat and have his own goals!!! This sounds like the worst of fanboy speculation not the idea of a master film maker like Nolan! Maybe I'm wrong and this is all true but I just don't get why this story has being spread across so many sites with an air of legitamacy! Just a couple of months ago the net was rife with talk that the story would be based on 'The Prey storyline' with all sorts of talk about trustworthy sources and whatnot, then Bane not Hugo Strange is announced as the villain and that one suddenly disappears. We'll find out soon enough when its announced who this other female character will be.

  • Liam Neeson in negotiation to return (likely in heavy make-up after his supposed death)...and my favorite news of the day: SUPERMAN in "THE DARK KNIGHT FALLS" ....HELL, YES!!!!!!

  • March 3, 2011, 10:04 a.m. CST

    I have a theory that Nordling is actually Devin Faraci


    oh, and this scoop is total bullshit!

  • March 3, 2011, 10:24 a.m. CST

    This movie is going to be epic.

    by Orion

    Everyone loves the 3rd act of any really good movie and that's what this is.

  • March 3, 2011, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Joseph Gordon-Levitt = Dick Grayson?

    by Chris Duncan

  • March 3, 2011, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Should be called "Shadow of the Knight"

    by bobbofatz

    One obvious twist/ plot point that could be interesting is the fact that Batman and Catwoman know each others alter egos and do not want to be outed. This would bring them close together and in the end tear them apart in an epic end battle. There is always a problem with the villain knowing the heros identity, because it begs the question, why wouldnt the villain just go after protagonists friends/family?

  • March 3, 2011, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the props, viggeo...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...but I might have to giver them back. I think Prestige, TDK & Inception is a fine run myself; I just disagreed no one had ever put together a string like that, 'cause clearly they have. I missed a couple of people there, because I didn't list movies I haven't seen (like The Game). Wish I'd remembered McTiernan though. (What happened to him?)

  • I think i'll like this movie a lot.

  • The lesser the better.

  • March 3, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST

    An interesting rumor

    by FlyingToupee

    From the Superhero Hype(the rest is not me): Jett and the privileged few who were allowed in on this scoop are going to be pissed about this (and most likely get blamed for blabbing), but whatever. That's the nature of this type of film. Let's make this more interesting. SPOILERS AHEAD The "big" surprise is that the League of Shadows/Ras Al Ghul was behind the Wayne's murder, creating a vengeance seeking Bruce Wayne. I won't go into the detail of how this revelation occurs, because frankly, I haven't been given enough information myself, but there it is. Take from it what you will, I'm sure you guys can fill in the rest of the gaps but that's the major plot point. Personally, when I was told about this I was a bit biased and didn't like the idea. It ruined the ambiguity of Ras and the origins of League of Shadows but seeing recently that Nolan wants to go back and finish Wayne's story, this makes perfect sense. There you have it, this will be my last post. I wouldn't have posted or made an account if the head honchos didn't confirm that this leaked information was indeed real (they could have just kept their mouths shut and let people speculate), but since they've taken it one step further to tease everyone (BIG SURPRISE) I thought I'd throw you guys a bone before other people with knowledge take it upon themselves to do so.

  • March 3, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST


    by Sniffingchimp

    Thanks for that announcement. I assume you mean that's the last news article YOU'LL read or are you commanding AICN to cease all future reports on this film?

  • March 3, 2011, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Levitt will be Alberto Falcone. Probably.

    by riskebiz

    I don't see who else he will be...though I really find it hard to believe that the Joker is in Arkham and just sitting it out. Levitt would be a good Joker. With Daniel Day-Lewis' emotional public acknowledgement of Heath Ledger's death ( at the SAG awards (which wasn't the only time he opened up about how sad the death made him, even though he didn't know Heath), I would think that he would be game for making a cameo as the Joker in honor of Heath if Nolan was okay with having someone else be the Joker.

  • March 3, 2011, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Ra's comments from Batman Begins

    by riskebiz

    I don't know that it's a spoiler...he plainly said in Batman Begins that the League had a hand in the Wayne's death.

  • March 3, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST




  • March 3, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I'm saying it's the last article about THE DARK KNIGHT RISES which is about plot details. All other articles about THE DARK KNIGHT RISES or for any other subject i'll coment and intervene to my heart's desire.

  • March 3, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Hopefully, Gordon-Levitt will be good ol' Ed Nygma...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ...A smart, calculating, insidious Riddler who is manipulating everything behind the scenes. But who knows? Riddler is a great villain, but most writers don't know the character's potential and he ends up being the 3rd rate Batvillain in the green leotards with punctuation printed on them.

  • March 3, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST

    C'mon, I like Hathaway...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview least she gave it a shot at the Oscars. Once Franco saw the bad material the writers gave him, I think he called Michael Jackson'd doctor for some sedation. Anne Hathaway's like the Hollywood version of that really smart chick in high school that one day you notice has become kinda hot. Not sure if she can bring the dangerousness needed for Catwoman, though. And the idea of Catwoman not starting out as a villain is Schumacher-bad.

  • March 3, 2011, 12:47 p.m. CST

    I hate the title...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview about The Dark Knight: The Knight of Darkness. Heh, just seeing how mundane I could get.

  • March 3, 2011, 12:58 p.m. CST

    The Riddler

    by Rectal Blowout

    I'd want to see The Riddler before anyone else. A puzzlebox movie like Memento, The Prestige and Inception meets Batman. A dark Riddler spinning an evil maze that makes Batman cry in a fetal position. This movie sounds a bit to cramped. But I trust the Nolan bros.

  • March 3, 2011, 1 p.m. CST


    by Lemure_v2

    will probably play a new character written for the film. If what's been said is true, there's no room for Riddler or Grayson. That's too many origin stories in a film that is trying to end a trilogy.

  • March 3, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST

    The title-

    by Hyphin

    At the risk of basically sounding like every other tb-er, I think I ACTUALLY DO have a better title. The problem with all the titles being suggested (and I must admit, I haven't read EVERY SINGLE post, so I apologize for possible generalization) is that that they are just different from The Dark Knight for the sake of being different. In some cases, they just refer to OTHER Batman universe..'stuff'. For instance. I saw some titles that refer to Gotham. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but. The problem is that you're forgetting why The Dark Knight was such a great title. Yes, it was a reference to one of the Bat's names. That allowed the film to be instantly relatable and recognizable. Don't forget that this is a MOVIE. To be release to the public, as in, they don't want to lose ANY member of the paying public because of something so small as an unclear title. They knew they'd have all of us, no matter what. This is for people who hear about the film the week it is released. It's easy, sharp, and classic. However, the thing that made the title GREAT was the fact that it was completely explained by the plot. It literally was what the movie was about. Batman being the DARK knight, as opposed to the WHITE knight, who actually existed in the film as Harvey Dent, but ending up failing. I don't want to go on and on about TDK. But the new title, if it were talking about recreating that awesomeness, would be difficult for any of us to come up with unless we know where they are going with the story thematically. Rises might be just as poignant and relevant and well thought out, you never know. I'd love to see something like 'The Dark Crusader'. Or even just 'The Crusader'. Can you imagine that on a poster, over the bat symbol? Cool stuff. Those are both risky because they don't accurately represent a Batman movie to Ma and Pa America as well as TDK. Maybe that's why Nolan shy'd away from using the Crusader name. The other reason is that Crusade is a word that has a lot of baggage, right? I mean, it'd be great if the story applied what Batman is doing to the definition of Crusade. But- That's all irrelevant because I really don't know WHAT Nolan is making the theme. Rest assured, there is one. We just don't know it. There are a LOT of consideration for these titles, dudes. TDKR surprised me. But I'd be naive to think that I understand why they went with it when there are a PLETHORA of ways to go with a title.

  • March 3, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I don't like the title THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, but i can't think of a better one either.

  • March 3, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST

    The League is much less gritty, more cheesy a villain

    by Onin Solstice

    Hugo Strange was more interesting to me and the potential to keep the series based in a Michael Mann-ish reality seems to be falling off the way side. This may be more 1970's comic-booky a plot (an era of Batman that Nolan seems to love), but it loses the cold reality of DK. Maybe DK was meant to be the Empire of the whole trilogy.

  • March 3, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I do think they will explore some romance between Bruce Wayne and Seline Kyle. I evne suspect that they will depict Seline as a sort of a version of Bruce Wayne as if he didn't had as strong a center of morals. She's both a mirror but also a contrast. And, i suspect, the reason they hired Hathaway as Catwoman is, i suspect, they want to present her with an important comedic element to her. I suspect they will present her as spunky, a spunkness that can breech Batman and Bruce Wayne's armour (not in that meaning, but maybe also too).

  • March 3, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST

    onin solstice, The League was hardly a cheesy movie in BATMAN BEGINS.

    by AsimovLives

  • March 3, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    "was hardly a cheesy movie" = "was hardly cheesy in the movie"

    by AsimovLives


  • March 3, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    So Nolan's done after this Batman...

    by Teddy Artery

    ...would he continue to script, but not direct additional sequels? Hmm....

  • Realism -- defined as microwaves and laughing gas.

  • March 3, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST

    this is still the #1 talkback? no wai!


    I, along with many others, was hoping for the Penguin or the Riddler. This is sort of feeling like a re-tread of Begins. I liked Begins a lot but having the Joker in The Dark Knight elevated the series so much higher. The Catwoman is cool I guess but I have my doubts about Hathaway. Her personality doesn't match the character, hopefully she does a good job anyways. Tom Hardy is the man but Bane is no where near as interesting a character as the Joker. The Riddler could have added a lot of interesting twists. With the League of Shadows and a brute, monster Bane villain it sounds like just a bunch more of poorly choreographed fist fights.

  • March 3, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST

    immortal_fish, don't be daft.

    by AsimovLives

  • March 3, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    No Lazarus Pit=FAIL

    by Drath

    Keep your fucking perceived "realism" out of my comic book movies!

  • Realism -- defined as microwaves and laughing gas.

  • Realism -- defined as microwaves and laughing gas.

  • March 3, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST

    "In the 'realistic' Nolanverse version of events"

    by Immortal_Fish

    In scare quotes, because... Realism -- defined as microwaves and laughing gas.

  • March 3, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST

    "You have a realistic take on Batman"

    by Immortal_Fish

    Realism -- defined as microwaves and laughing gas.

  • March 3, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    "too out there in Nolan's realism based Batman?"

    by Immortal_Fish

    Realism -- defined as microwaves and laughing gas.

  • Realism -- defined as microwaves and laughing gas.

  • March 3, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    asimovlives, fine then...

    by Immortal_Fish

    Realism -- defined as laughing gas and fountains of youth.

  • March 3, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    immortal_fish, i'm down with that.

    by AsimovLives

  • March 3, 2011, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Is she going to wear 50 lbs of armor.

    by Dennis_Moore

    Old days: Snake Plissken, no armor. Indy Jones, no armor. More recent, Boondock Saints, no armor. I guess Batman isn't badass enough. They do make bullet proof coats, these days, you know. Not an unrealistic extrapolation for a superhero flick no matter how obliquely verisimilitude (the memory cloth is a fantasy exaggeration of a developing real world tech. He's supposed to be a detective, not a space marine.

  • March 3, 2011, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Forgot question mark, oops

    by Dennis_Moore

  • March 3, 2011, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Nolan FTW!

    by shaft478

    Fuck kubrick, fuck Hitchcock. They're dinosaurs. Nolan stands #2 to Coppola, that's it. Rubric's artsy shit is good for one watch and Ive tried to get into Hitchcock, can't do it.

  • Just saying that the dude's been churning out some quality stuff recently so I wouldn't be concerned about a casting rumor that someone thought they heard somewhere by a shady source.

  • March 3, 2011, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Kubrick, stupid iPhone

    by shaft478

  • March 3, 2011, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Called this plot (And Talia) months ago

    by leo54304

    Talia and Catwoman are introduced to counter balance the "good girl" Rachael Dawes of the first two movies. Plus Rachael is the perfect girl for young Bruce Wayne whereas Talia and Catwoman belong in Batmans world. Plus these two girls are dangerous women with great physical prowess and sexual presence, Rachael--blahhhh. The plot I mentioned months ago was Bats being hunted and Talia comes to Gotham with League to offer him leadership in the League (and a little something on the side). Bats turns her down just like he did her father and its war again with the League. Catwoman gets involved because she's in Gotham for a caper and hmmm theres that mysterious Batman too...Anyway Catwoman gets attacked by the League and sides with Bats. Would love to see Catwoman vs Talia in "cat fight", hell who wouldn't?

  • March 3, 2011, 7:40 p.m. CST

    ill try and use shorter sentances if that helps killik

    by Smack_Teddy

    but i blame the paragraph breaks not working for making posts hard to read

  • March 3, 2011, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Killick you missed the part just after where Batman points out

    by Smack_Teddy

    to Ras that he would have technically killed the Joker rather than just not save his life - like Ghul - had he let him fall after shank-lunging him of the scaffolding. He then calls him a poor ignorant dumb scrotum head for this who doesn't get complexities physically or psychologically in situations, and one with a desperate blatent agenda against Batman's ultra giant tent pole release that he's obviously envious off.<p><p> Bats then points out Ras is probably the kind of sociopath who wouldn't flinch lunging for Two-face and accidentally getting little timmy shot dead in front of his mother, but that's alright because his near empty-autistic analysis of things presumably precipitated since the train crash isn't going to get him anywhere now these days.<p><p>He then tells him hes going to take care of his daughter real good and produce a son that will be like a middle-eastern-dubian prince-laden brat getting to be an American crime-fighter every day just for Daddy, so suck it fool! <p>Lol etc.

  • March 3, 2011, 7:53 p.m. CST

    oh f--k me i give up with the paragraph breaks

    by Smack_Teddy

  • March 3, 2011, 8:04 p.m. CST

    but cheers theumpirestrokesbach i echo your sentiments

    by Smack_Teddy

  • March 3, 2011, 8:50 p.m. CST


    by Smack_Teddy

    look for the script review online of Aronofsky's take on Batman: Year One

  • March 3, 2011, 9:44 p.m. CST

    smack_teddy Batman technically killed Ghul too

    by KilliK

    you know according to law,not helping deliberately while you could,someone whose life faces imminent death is considered manslaughter. So Ghul should reply to Batman that for an educated,high class person who has sworn to his dead parents that he will bring justice to his corrupted City,he is surely fucking clueless about morality and the law. the end. Admit it Nolanoids,Nolan has fucked a bit the character of Batman,not only compared with the comics but also compared between the two movies.!!

  • March 3, 2011, 9:47 p.m. CST

    smack_teddy you DONT need to use the old code

    by KilliK

    for the paragraph breaking anymore.Now the site can do it just write your paragraph,press Enter one or two times and continue with your next paragraph.

  • March 3, 2011, 9:52 p.m. CST

    This plot all sounds very "cut and paste"

    by Kammich

    Which leads me to one of two conclusions... A) The scoop is completely wrong. Which, at this stage of the game, seems more than plausible. or... B) The death of Ledger, and henceforth the elimination of the Joker character, completely threw a wrench into Nolan, Nolan and Goyer's trilogy outline. If thats the case, its really unfortunate. But this 'synopsis' reeks of being a thrown-together closer. I could see the Nolan brothers sitting around a table, a few months after Ledger's death, and saying "well, every single thing we had planned for the final film is out the window. What can we do to retain SOME thematic similarity to our original plan? Fuck it, lets see if Warners will let us make another movie and then we'll cross that bridge when we get to it." It just seems like a TON of new material to introduce to the final film of a trilogy. I think Nolan is smart enough to realize that the 3rd and final films in cinema's best trilogies(the few that exist) all had something in common: they stripped things down to getting the characters RIGHT, and wrapping things up correctly. Closure is key. But instead of focusing on the final round of Bruce/Batman, Lucius, Alfred, Gordon, the Mob, and the Joker's character arcs... we're now looking at introducing Talia Al Ghul, Bane, Selina Kyle/Catwoman, JGL's character, and other composite League of Shadows members... ON TOP of concluding all those other storylines? Yikes. If anyone can do it, I think the Nolan brothers can. The casting has been brilliant, every step of the way. But it seems like a MONUMENTAL task, right now.

  • March 3, 2011, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Sounds good

    by Gabriel

    Didn't like the first movie as much but he has won my faith from the Dark Knight

  • March 3, 2011, 10:10 p.m. CST

    What if the League of Shadows was behind the Joker's plot in Dark Knight...


    ... think about it... in Batman Begins, Ra's plan was to create a scenario that would cause Gotham City to destroy itself and rebuild... i.e. "cleanse" the city of "evil"... what if it turns out that the Joker was sponsored by the League (just like Scarecrow and Falcone were in Begins)as a way to "destroy" Gotham... as well as to distract and discredit the Batman? Remember... when the Joker was talking to Dent in the Hospital... he said, "Do I look like a guy with a plan? I just do" (Granted he could have been saying that to throw Dent off). But the main reason I think the League is somehow connected to the events in the Dark Knight... is because everyone who has read the script compliments it as a perfect way of tying up this trilogy.

  • March 3, 2011, 10:13 p.m. CST


    by proevad

    Agreed. Ledger fucked their movies up, but they have been too classy to say anything.

  • March 4, 2011, 12:52 a.m. CST


    by Smack_Teddy

    that's not technically true about manslaughter sorry, not the specifics that apply here anyway... ....essentially Batman is saying "your in a pickle asshole, now save yourself, because i'm not going to, my morals and ethics require i save large numbers of innocents right now or stop them from being mudered, so my immediate attention is placed on them right here and now for the acts your currently committing, not on you specifically you mudering brainwashing psycho...if you wont to live well your the great Ras who taught me everything my dad couldn't apparently, so go save yourself warrior!" That's not murder or manslaughter, and c'mon, its clearly different from what happens between him and Joker, and Two Face respectively. End of for me. But thanks very much for the edit instructions, that's been bugging me a bit recently

  • March 4, 2011, 1:24 a.m. CST

    You are putting way too much thought in to this- this is how the movie will "go:"

    by Particularly Hard Vato

    So the movie opens with Alfred going down to the bat cave with breakfast for Bruce and he's like, "I figured you would be in the cave" as though to imply that he is annoyed by Bruce never being in the house for breakfast... So then like Alfred and Bruce are standing in the cave and there is cool shit EVERYWHERE! And they are like, "Well Alfred- I had to play with my cool shit down here. And like look at the bat wing- I'll go fly it or something." Oh and the bat pod is off to the side against the wall so you SEE it... but it's not like its right in the middle of the room- it's in the background so it ties the movie together with the last one. Everyone in the audience will be like, "Oh- shit- it's the bat pod- Batman rode that in Batman 2!" Chris Nolan always does cool shit like that for the fans. So Batman goes and flies his plane and sees cat woman who is hot as fuck. And he stops her from robbing a bank or something, and then they hook up. But with their masks on- so they don't give up their identities. We all know it's Anne Hathaway but Batman doesn't. So like then Batman goes back to the bat cave and there is all this cool shit that happens where like doors open and he can FLY RIGHT IN and land IN THE CAVE and that is awesome. But then Bane shows up. And Alfred is like, "Bloody hell!" And Batman gets this new suit on with these cool weapons and then for the last 2 hours of the 2 hour and 15 minute movie its just Batman and Bane kicking the living shit out of each other in the bat cave! And all these cool electronic things explode and they break almost everything. But Batman eventually wins- but not before you get to see every thing that is cool in the bat cave. Only then does Batman finally beat the shit out of Bane. That's enough for me to give the move two thumbs up. That's all I need- 2 hours of Batman kicking the shit out of Bane and cool shit breaking. The end.

  • March 4, 2011, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Where did you hear this?

    by Particularly Hard Vato

    That gave me a hard-on. But I suspect you will leave me high-and-dry... high-and-dry...

  • March 4, 2011, 4:02 a.m. CST

    it really seems...

    by dane27

    that people ragging on nolan are doing so cause they simply dont like things things that are liked by others, in this case nolan, I find all his movies rewatchible so go fuck yourself with your boring opinions.

  • March 4, 2011, 6:01 a.m. CST


    by KilliK

    "that's not technically true about manslaughter sorry, not the specifics that apply here anyway..." what does technically even mean? letting someone to die on purpose is both illegal and immoral.thats what matters. if i see you drowning in a lake and i dont deliberately give you my hand to help you on purpose,what does this make me? a hero? "....essentially Batman is saying "your in a pickle asshole, now save yourself, because i'm not going to, my morals and ethics require i save large numbers of innocents right now or stop them from being mudered, so my immediate attention is placed on them right here and now for the acts your currently committing, not on you specifically you mudering brainwashing psycho...if you wont to live well your the great Ras who taught me everything my dad couldn't apparently, so go save yourself warrior!"" wait,what? Batman had already won.He defeated Ghul and the train was going to crash thus destroying the device.Batman had plenty of time to save Ghul and give him to the cops.There was no large group of people who needed his immediate attention.But what does Batman do? He lets someone die because of a grudge. and then comes the contradiction: he saves Joker who has murdered many people.but there is an even more contradiction: he then goes and KILLS Hervey Dent. is it me or Nolan doesnt know how to handle the ethos code of Batman? come on smack_teddy you are a smart kid,put the fanboyish aside and try to think a bit more what you really see in the two movies.and if you are still satisfied with Batman's action,then be my guest and make your excuses to defend them.BUT think first.

  • March 4, 2011, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Bane vs Bats

    by TheFunkyEnigma

    That's all I'm really looking foward too.....And he better scream "I WILL BREAK YOU" at some point. And I want a nice close shot of Hathaway's ass in leather. Her two cheeks bouncing to the Zimmer score Diddidadadididadadididadadididada AAAARSSSSEEEEEE CHHEEEEEEEEKKKKKKSSSSSSSS

  • March 4, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST


    by Meadowe

  • I never really cared about it, but I know a lot of you have a big problem with Joker at the Harvey Dent fund raiser and them cutting straight to Gordon and one of his officers. One talkbacker a few months back stated that the scene continued with Joker running out of the party, and repeating his line "I'm a man of my word." This would, imo if it was true, be a little repetitive to hear him say it again after the threatening video shown before the party. But the reason I'm posting this is because lately I rewatched the movie "O", the Othello modernized film with Josh Hartnett as Hugo (Iago) and Mekhi Pfeiffer as Odin (Othello). There's an awesome scene at the end where he tells the judge that although he is allowed three slam dunks, he will only do one. And when he does perform, he shatters the glass on the backboard. Everyone is cheering O. You can feel the anger and frustration O has because of the situation Hugo has put him in, although O doesn't know Hugo is the mastermind at this point. When the ball boy goes to retrieve the ball from O, he pushes the youngster down, and the cheers he received immediately turn to boos. He throws the ball at what's left of the hoop. It's a very well down scene imo, with O having his arms stretched out soaking the boos from the crowd, practically relishing his role as a villain in their eyes. I really enjoyed it, but then the last thing we see in the gym is O running out like a scared little punk. To me it took away from the momentum he had as a badass. Back to the Dark Knight, after seeing O I think if we saw the Joker being such a threatening, imposing force, seeing him run off would have been similar to O. That's just my two centerinos anyway.

  • March 4, 2011, 9:44 p.m. CST


    by Smack_Teddy

    im not trying to dispute your theory, but remember the Joker is like the devil - not like Satan was the devil because he was a rebel, i mean like the actual devil - and mixes truth and lies expertly. He is reveling in anarchy yet feigning it when he so desires as well according to his truly messed up psychotic nature. I reckon he went all cannibal on Anarky prior to events of TDK, and got a taste for it is all.

  • March 4, 2011, 10:22 p.m. CST


    by Smack_Teddy

    "if i see you drowning in a lake and i dont deliberately give you my hand to help you on purpose,what does this make me? a hero?" the obvious difference is that i would be a random guy drowning in a lake, not a serial murdering psychopath bent on effective worldwide genocidal re hauled domination who was currently intending to destroy your city and everything around you completely and would only plan to do the same thing again if he could. Again, Ras is the shinning pillar of an example of the league of shadows, their skills abilities & morals? Based on all those things, he made that choice to stay on the train, rather than pick him self up and haul ass like the ninja he is with an unstoppable ideology in his mind. Batman didn't assist him in suicide there, he left him to make a choice on his own based on the outcome. There's a bit more going on there for me in the moment when Ras closes his eyes than "oh fuck me I'm dead time to accept it". Who knows, maybe for a start start, he realises in that line before he leaves him Batman has pawned him in his attitude towards the idea that "Gotham is dying and must be destroyed". His will to save himself then unassisted and wounded, against that of Gothams and Batmans against actual intended assisted destruction, pales like fuck when or despite admittedly only having seconds to do so. Again though, Ninja. I know that's precarious comparing an entire city to a person, but it was that one persons and his ideology that was going to have that outcome on Gotham if he got away with it. Although i have to admit, no Batman does not need to instantly go and help clean up the city in that moment: "There was no large group of people who needed his immediate attention", i was speaking in more generalized term around the moment and what it says about him and Ras respectively. Please don't regurgitate your Joker Two Face point again that simply when I've explained the ever so slightly subtle difference, please elaborate if anything if you don't agree with my point i already made regards to that Killik, cos its like i said ill put simply here again: they are NOT exactly the same things that contradict the character with different outcomes from Bats, they are slightly different outcomes in terms of the physical and psychological context of the scenario, and these different contexts make Batman act slightly differently accordingly while his morals and ethics remain resolute.

  • March 5, 2011, 11:24 a.m. CST


    by KilliK

    From what you have just said,it is very obvious that you dont understand the Batman comic book character at all. Batman does NOT kill.Simple as that.It doesnt matter if you are an innocent stranger or someone who is bent to destroy your city and the people you love.Batman wont kill you or let you die. This is a quintessential part of his character,it is what defines him as a dark avenger. And what suicide are you talking about? Ghul was not committing suicide,he was trapped in the train after being defeated by Bats.The comic book Batman would try at least to save him,and not just live him there die like a dog. Something which he did without a second though when he saved the Joker,the Joker who has killed a lot of people in front the camera,among them Batman's girlfriend,in opposition to Ghul who hasnt killed anyone in person in the first movie. Batman ethos code is not only inconsistent to the original comic character,but it is also inconsistent between the two movies.Nolan obviously made a mistake in the first movie when he was adapting the Batman character,and tried to negate it with the Joker falling scene but then he goes and have Batman kill (not on purpose) Harvey Dent. So we have 3 inconstancies , between the movie and the comic,between two movies,and between two scenes in the same movie.And that for me shows a clear lack from the director/writer's part of understanding this character.

  • March 5, 2011, 4:02 p.m. CST

    I have to agree with smack_teddy on this subject

    by AsimovLives

    What the Nolan's movies clearly demosntrate is that Batman will not deliberatly kill anybody. His goal is to capture the bad guys and bring them to face justice. The situation about Ghul is that it happeend during combat in an extreme live or die situation. Even for Batman, i can't think he could had survived if he had tried to rescue Ghul. He had to let him go. Besides, all thissituation was odf Ghul own creation. It was karmatic that Ghul ends up dead from the situation he created. When i see the movie, i don't see Batman deliberatly killing Ghul. What i see is "fence for yourself, you created this shit, deal with it". It's a real "physician heal thyself" thing". Ghul was fully responsible for the situation ended up with. What i agree is that the movie rpesents the situation in such a way that makes Batman act very coldly to Ghul's predictment. Mostly, in th comics made before, the writers always present a situation where Batman is able to rescue the villain of certain death and arrest him. But in BATMAN BEGINS, the situation was in extremis, and if Batman had tried to save Ghul, he would die too. It's noble to save your life for a inocent person who's a victim of circunstances. But for Ghul? He's not an inocent victim, he created the situation. Had Batman the possibility to rescue Ghul, he would had. In TDK he saved The Joker from certain death, and he was the devil of that story. And least we forget, in the original run of the Batman comics, Batman did killed people, he shot gangsters. Think about it.

  • March 5, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Batman's on the run, he needs a villainess contact to assist him...

    by BurnHollywood

    I guessed this plot point some time ago. Still doesn't keep me from yawning out loud at the thought of another Bane appearance in a Batman film...overrated, "Mexican wrestler" fanboy favorite. The Penguin would've been a far more interesting choice. And I don't really give a shit that he and Catwoman were in Burton's follow-up, either...

  • March 5, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Dark Knight Returns/Rises/Begins/Forever

    by dangerK

    All this League Of Shadows stuff sounds a bit far-fetched, moving away from the more 'street level' feel of TDK. Shame. Hate Catwoman also. lots more speculation here: sounds like a much better plot to me!!

  • March 5, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Emily Blunt should have been Black Widow

    by Smack_Teddy

    but Scarlet Scarlett Johansson does a fine enough job

  • March 5, 2011, 5:44 p.m. CST

    killik sorry but no you dont understand

    by Smack_Teddy

    Batman does not kill in the film, that with the ethics morals core of his character is my main point which the others surround. Okay then lets not call it assisted suicide, lets call it manslaughter. Slightly wrong use of term there perhaps, aye.

  • March 5, 2011, 6:07 p.m. CST

    "but then he goes and have Batman kill (not on purpose) Harvey Dent"

    by Smack_Teddy

    well there you go. Alright, he accidently killed Two-Face without meaning it... that doesn't mean the principal to Batmans core that he does not kill is removed from or betraying the character...surely you must understand the difference if you think about if you don't like that they chose to have him unintentionally kill someone against his intended moral code, then fine...but that moral code was not broken or non present As for - again - your point about the Joker I'll say it again. He ejected high-pressure-release projectile razors into the joker to get the 'upper hand', then literally threw him off the building with only gravity and hitting the ground below to work with... so that would have been a conscious essentially intended kill had he let him fall yes because he actually threw him of the fucking building! He could have lobbed him back behind him, it was a split second reaction/choice to do otherwise, he responded consequently by ensuring he was not responsible for/ the cause of his death. A bit different than what went down with Ras on the train, if you think about it.

  • March 5, 2011, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Errr yeah also what Asimov said

    by Smack_Teddy

  • March 6, 2011, 5:52 a.m. CST

    Where's the friggin' trailer?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    I cannot wait!

  • March 6, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST

    sorry guys but obviously your fanboyism

    by KilliK

    keeps you from understanding and accepting some clear facts regarding Batman's here we go again: " What the Nolan's movies clearly demosntrate is that Batman will not deliberatly kill anybody. His goal is to capture the bad guys and bring them to face justice. " Batman also does not let people die in the comics,even if they are criminals and deserve death.It's part of what he is.simple as that. So even if we accept that letting Ghul die is not the same as killing him deliberately,it is still a fact that Batman deliberately left someone to die. " The situation about Ghul is that it happeend during combat in an extreme live or die situation. Even for Batman, i can't think he could had survived if he had tried to rescue Ghul.He had to let him go. " But he didnt try.that's the thing.He stand there,said his small speech and left the other guy on his fate to die.I expect this kind of thing from a more inhuman,cold-blooded,vigilante like the Punisher,but not from Batman. "Besides, all thissituation was odf Ghul own creation. It was karmatic that Ghul ends up dead from the situation he created. When i see the movie, i don't see Batman deliberatly killing Ghul. What i see is "fence for yourself, you created this shit, deal with it". It's a real "physician heal thyself" thing". Ghul was fully responsible for the situation ended up with. " So what you say is that Batman acts based on some kind of Zen philosophy.Again that's a complete incorrect understanding of the Batman character which even contradicts the reasons of his existence. Batman's world view does not rely on the concepts of Fate and divine justice.That's why he became a masked vigilante from the start,because he wanted to bring justice and make some good by himself,by his own powers. I understand what you are saying about the karma payback,but we analyze this scene us outsiders viewers and we ignore the real participants of it: Batman does not leave someone to die,he will try to save him even if the person deserves this divine punishment,it is what defines him. " What i agree is that the movie rpesents the situation in such a way that makes Batman act very coldly to Ghul's predictment. Mostly, in th comics made before, the writers always present a situation where Batman is able to rescue the villain of certain death and arrest him. But in BATMAN BEGINS, the situation was in extremis, and if Batman had tried to save Ghul, he would die too. " oh come on now with the speculations.Batman didnt try to save him.The scene didnt play out at all like you describe it.The guy stand comfortably in front of the helpeless villain,made his speech about Karma and then left him there lying. I am sorry but if Nolan's true intention was to play the whole scene as your classic action "last moment save from certain death but bad guy is not lucky",then he failed at that completely.and if anything else,it clearly proves the criticism that the guy is clueless about the direction of action scenes in both emotional and entertaining level. " It's noble to save your life for a inocent person who's a victim of circunstances. But for Ghul? He's not an inocent victim, he created the situation. Had Batman the possibility to rescue Ghul, he would had. In TDK he saved The Joker from certain death, and he was the devil of that story. " You are using again the Zen argument.and i am telling you that this is not how Batman thinks and acts.His moral and honor code,his judgement and motives to act are not defined by religious or philosophical ideologies and world views. He wont kill a person on purpose,he wont let someone to die either it is about personal revenge or divine punishment.He is a man determined to stand by and defend his personal values and ethos. " And least we forget, in the original run of the Batman comics, Batman did killed people, he shot gangsters. Think about it. " That's not even an argument.Superman was a villain in his first appearance but that doesnt mean anything.Besides if you want to be technical,that was the Pre-Crisis Batman, a slight different character no?

  • means we realise Batman is a human being with extraordinary skills, technology, and resolute morals ethics ideology etc. BUT HE IS NOT LITERALLY GOD OR A GOD! Your saying he betrays the character because he cant be a god and make or find himself in perfect situations outside of his control, to put the perfect choices and actions and outcomes into. The clear fact you don't understand and accept regarding Batmans character - and as someone who appears to have a problem approaching and seperating fiction from reality for example - is that BATMAN IS NOT GOD OR A GOD. After re-reading your mostly repeated points above, I'm not going to argue this anymore because its just stupid, with genuinely all due respect to yourself fella

  • I hear Nolan has announced a biopic of a Portuguese shut in where he'll clearly demonstrate that said shut-in doesn't intentionally fuck goats, rather the wonders around them with an erection until he can trip up and accidentally insert himself into them. You fucking pretentious fraud, goatfucker. That's a complete misreading of both films.

  • about.please reread our posts.

  • March 7, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Lost Jerk, how's Don Murphy, your spiritual brother?

    by AsimovLives

  • March 7, 2011, 9:02 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    How you think Batman could had saved himself and Ras Al Ghul in BATMAN BEGINS, then, without it stretching credibility and believability? I think the Nolan's movies are intune with the comics, in that Batman does not deliberatly kill people. His goal is to save lives and to bring bad guys to justice. Batman caused Harvey Dent's death inadvetedly, because he tackeld him so he would not shot Gordon's kid. As for Ras Al Ghul, the scene couldn't had been played any other way without it looking ridiculous.

  • March 8, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST

    no killik i really didnt

    by Smack_Teddy

  • March 8, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    you need to re read my last post, this is getting inane and stale now

    by Smack_Teddy