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Published at: March 2, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST by quint

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!

When Star Trek: First Contact came out I was relieved to see a Next Gen Trek film finally feature a real sense of threat and menace. And a lot of humor, too. Let’s not forget the lightness brought to the film by the great James Cromwell as the man responsible for literally propelling the human race into the future by inventing the warp drive.

It’s the first Next Gen film (and the only one, if we’re going to be honest) that has a sense of urgency to it and an honest to God sense of pulpy fun. Sure, it betrays some of the thoughtfulness of Picard by turning him into a guns blazing action type, but as a stand alone movie it’s probably the best put-together of that run of Trek films.

I’m headed out, on the road to New Orleans, but before I left I figured I’d better post this sucker up. It’s a great shot of Alice Krige as the Borg Queen, showing how they executed some of her FX work.

Thanks to Gus Weber for sending this one along! Enjoy.

 

 

Consider tomorrow’s Behind the Scenes Pic a divorce!

-Quint
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  • March 2, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Their are better episodes than any of the movies.

    by Mahaloth

    That's the thing with Next Generation. The show as much, much better than the movies. Only First Contact was even passable.

  • March 2, 2011, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Sweet

    by UltraTron

  • March 2, 2011, 12:07 p.m. CST

    i always wondered how they did that

    by Ray Gamma

    doh

  • March 2, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Ghost story freaked me out when she made full

    by UltraTron

    frontal blue screen guy fall out the window.

  • March 2, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Hey, at least they gave Picard a good reason to run amok!

    by RedEgiraahgnal

  • March 2, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST

    I'd hit it

    by _Venkman

  • March 2, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Love this Trek movie, love Alice in it!

    by WriteForTheEdit

    I agree that this is the best Next Gen movie, by a mile. I swear, even in her full Borg Queen get-up, she's still hot... And Cromwell always rocks.

  • March 2, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Quint, why you going to NOLA?

    by Rob

    I live here man, what set you visiting?

  • March 2, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Best TNG film.

    by shutupfanboy

    After watching TNG again, I am kinda seeing more episodes that was just ok instead of being as good as I remember them to be. Of course, the 1st and 2nd season is a waste. At least they weren't shit on like the DS9 crew.

  • March 2, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Also, First Contract

    by Rob

    Ruled unholy ass. When Worf declares, "They've adapted." Just total awesomeness.

  • March 2, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Cool effects shot

    by BizarroJerry

    Interesting way they did that shot. This movie was obviously the best of the TNG movies, but's its a pretty good Star Trek movie in general, too.

  • March 2, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    TNG does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    It never had a great deal of competition but I think FIRST CONTACT is my fave of the STAR TREK movies.<p> I liked that it also brought plot elements from the TV series into it, with the flashbacks to Picard being assimilated by the Borg and the moment of First Contact itself with the Vulcans.

  • March 2, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    can't wait the Total Recall pic tomorrow

    by HEADGEEK

    Just saying.

  • March 2, 2011, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Total Recall tri-boob girl??

    by darthderp

    Do I hear a second??

  • Well, that's what the Borg do to you. They turn you into Ahab.

  • March 2, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Young Alice Krige

    by Aquatarkusman

    Ben Cross' love interest in Chariots of Fire: http://www.krige-page.com/chariots014.jpg

  • March 2, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Outside of FC, the TNG films were a missed opportunity.

    by little_lebowski

    I mean, really, guys behind "Nemesis"? REALLY? "Hey! Let's take Wrath of Kahn, mash it up with Undiscovered Country and call it a new film! Ah-hyuk!!!"

  • March 2, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST

    To the topic at hand, First Contact was TNG's peak

    by darthderp

    This was to Picard and Company what Wrath of Khan was to the original series. In more ways than one actually; dig the Moby Dick reference -- The Borg are Picard's White Whale, while Kirk was Khan's. Enterprise-E was a slick design, although I prefer the layout of D's bridge. Just my opinion.

  • March 2, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Best TNG film

    by proevad

    It was directed very well. Frakes might have had a pretty good career in that role, but then Insurrection happened. He never should have agreed to direct that script.

  • March 2, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Ghost Story

    by proevad

    Saw it once when I was 10? Only thing I remember from it is a guy falling out a window, while his wang flapped in the breeze. Does that mean I am a gay man?

  • March 2, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Really, enricobalazar?

    by Wally_West

    If you live here, then you gotta figure he's coming for Mardi Gras. No one is working this weekend.

  • March 2, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    I never understood why Ronald D. Moore...

    by Damned if I can login

    ...didn't put one line of dialogue in that film to address the glaring inconsistency with TOS's backstory for Zephram Cochran. Cochran would say something like this: "I've always dreamed of living on another planet. Maybe Alpha Centauri..." I mean, I could fully understand if the hack Braga wrote the script by himself. But Moore always had reverence for what came before.

  • March 2, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    This is my favourite BTS Pic so far!

    by Royston Lodge

    I always thought that effect was done with CGI! I am incredibly excited to see how they actually did it! Quint, you get an official, coveted, world-famous, Royston Lodge No-Prize for this pic.

  • March 2, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    damned if i can login

    by proevad

    I've heard that a lot of Cromwell's stuff ended up on the floor. Your line might have been swept up with the rest of it.

  • March 2, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    FC was the AOTC of the ST:TNG films

    by Karl Hungus

    That's right. Much like the abysmal Attack of the Clones, First Contact is little more than blatant fan pandering. Nothing sums this up more than bits like Data wielding a phaser rifle (?!) and saying, "Lock and load!" or Worf dispatching a Borg while quipping "Resistance is futile!" It was all about eliciting nerd squeals. That's not storytelling. That's marketeering. That's why many of the characters in First Contact are behaving uncharacteristically. They're being forced to say and do things that aren't true to their character. Plus, it's pretty much a rip-off of Aliens, with the Borg Queen, the idea of mercy-killing the infected, the sweeping of corridors for hostiles...hell, they even plan (and fail) to self-destruct Enterprise-E. If that isn't "nuking the site from orbit" I don't know what is. The TNG films that followed were thoroughly abysmal and yet fairly harmless. They were basically TV movies. But I found First Contact insulting. And yes, I know I'm in the minority on that one.

  • March 2, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    proevad - since the actor in question is late '70s/early '80s

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    icon Craig Wasson...yes, it does.

  • March 2, 2011, 12:56 p.m. CST

    "1st and 2nd season is a waste..."

    by Billyeveryteen

    Nah, Measure of a Man is pretty great. Made me stop grumbling about Not-Kirk.

  • March 2, 2011, 1 p.m. CST

    Considah dat uh davorce!

    by vic twenty

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-nold. Nice pic of Borgy, btw.

  • March 2, 2011, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Definitely one of the better Trek films...

    by Chewtoy

    I didn't really have a problem with Picard being all action-hero in that one because he was barely holding it together... a very interesting way to go. I think the biggest problem with the Next Generation Trek films is that they tried to turn them into classic trek. When Kirk tells Picard to "Never let them take you off your ship" I was thinking "No... out of all Trek characters, Picard should be an admiral." They should have been like Tom Clancy novels in space, with planets on the brink of war and Picard facing down the opposition in debate, with political maneuvering for the best advantage, and deploying the Fleet to counter their adversaries.

  • March 2, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Craig Wasson

    by proevad

    Is that who that was? I'll be damned. Just remember the flapping dick, not who it was attached to.

  • March 2, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    why couldn't they have made one with Q?! WHY???

    by DrPain

    That would have made a great final film for them. He always promised to be back. So frustrating. Hate you Berman.

  • March 2, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST

    First Contact

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I thought it was pretty underwhelming at the time but have grown to really dig it over the years. Great Goldsmith score, "If his chest had been a cannon, he would have shot his heart upon it", James Cromwell, the opening shot... all good stuff.

  • March 2, 2011, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Karl Hungus

    by TheFilmYap

    You're getting your Trek films mixed up a little. Data says "Lock and Load" in Insurrection. And Worf never says "Resistance is futile" before dispatching a Borg. He does say "Assimilate This!" before he blows up the deflector dish the Borg were attempting to use to contact the other Borg (on the scene where they walk on the outside of the ship). Now that I think of it, Data does say it to the Borg Queen at the very end, though. I'll definitely give you that Insurrection was full of marketing/trailer phrases. And FC doesn't have the highest re-watchability either. The sequence between the big Borg battle and them going back in time is really jarring. They cram all of this exposition, from the sphere popping out to it going back in time to assimilating Earth to the Enterprise following them back, within the space of about 30 seconds. And I'd argue that the two parallel threads of Cochrane and the Enterprise crew working on the warp flight and the on-the-ship Borg encounter doesn't always mesh either, though it is cool when they finally intersect in space. As always, there are things they could have done better. Wait. I was defending FC, and I end up criticizing it. Damn, you Karl Hungus, for being kind of right.

  • March 2, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    great pic. really enjoyed this flick

    by smudgewhat

    the re-design on the borg made them much more menacing. krige was great fun as the queen. and yes, she was hot somehow.

  • March 2, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Borg Queen makes absolutely no sense...

    by darthwaz1

    She was thrown into the movie for one reason alone: to give Data something to do in the movie.

  • March 2, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Best Trek films...

    by David Ortiz

    1. Wrath of Khan 2. Undiscovered Country 3. First Contact 4. Voyage Home 5. Search for Spock 6. Generations 7. The Motion Picture 8. Insurrection 9. Nemesis 10. Final Frontier

  • March 2, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Easily the best TNG movie

    by bigpale

    But still it doesn't compare to Wrath of Kahn. And I still get more enjoyment out of watching Voyage Home and Undiscovered Country. It's amazing to think what this movie could have been. Early ideas involved going to the Renaissance Era and fighting the Borg as they stormed a castle. Oy. It wasn't until very late in the writing that Moore/Braga decided (thanks to Stewart's meddling) to take Picard off the planet and onto the ship. The thought was the Zef would have been badly injured and Picard would have to take his place. Not a bad story for an episode, but not cinematic enough (a theme that plagued every other TNG movie). So they switched Riker and Picard and had Picard going all Rambo on the Borg. Good call. Good flick.

  • March 2, 2011, 1:20 p.m. CST

    thefilmyap

    by Karl Hungus

    Yeah, you're right about the quotes I misused. The Berman Era became a big blur to me in the end. But I think you'll agree, the point remains the same. Well-established characters doing and saying uncharacteristic things just to score geek points.

  • March 2, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Alice's run on Deadwood...

    by carlotta_valdes

    ...plus the second character Garret Dillahunt played (Francis Wolcott) = disturbingly fantastic stuff.

  • March 2, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Great scene. I remember she had one sexy voice.

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

  • March 2, 2011, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Stupidest Star Trek decision EVAR

    by shran

    Was to cancel the series and start up the TNG movie franchise. TNG was only faltering a bit at the end because the producers got greedy and decided to run DS9 and TNG at the same time, thereby diluting the quality of both shows (DS9 really came into it's own once TNG was off the air). Had TNG been allowed to stay on TV and develop even more as time went on we might still be watching it on TV. But I think that it's stories suffered from having the writers and producers working on too many projects at the same time. As good as the subsequent series were (well, to varying degrees I guess.), they were never the adventures of the crew of the starship Enterprise. I just couldn't get into them as fully as I did with TNG.

  • March 2, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST

    TOP THREE STAR TREK FILMS:

    by Sleeperkid

    1) JJ Abrams' STAR TREK 2) EMPIRE STRIKES BACK 3) A NEW HOPE

  • March 2, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Dance with me, you little toad.

    by VirgilHilts

    Yes, please.

  • March 2, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Shran....

    by Damned if I can login

    Actually DS9 came into its own after Berman (and whomever) left to work on Voyager. That left Ira Steven Behr and Ron Moore running things, and they hit it outta the park without some annoying piss-ant shooting down their good ideas. In one of the commentaries Moore discusses how they diliberately tipped their hat to TOS with lots of little references, like the Tholians, etc. He also said they created a party ship, the Saratoga. Anytime that ship was visiting they mentioned it in reference to a party.

  • March 2, 2011, 2:50 p.m. CST

    It really is too bad...

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    that Nemesis turned out as awful as it did considering John Logan's script was absolutely incredible. Chalk it up to poor directing/editing on Baird's part and poor production design on everything not Federation related. At least Insurrection has some exciting action sequences and in general solid direction (I promise that's all the good I have to say about it). I'm pretty sure Frakes has gone on record saying if they had offered Nemesis to him he would have "directed the hell out of it."

  • March 2, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST

    "Darmok" was an awesome episode

    by gooseud

    When I think of awesome TNG eps, thats the first that comes to my mind. "Darmok and Jilard at Tinagra". That ep RULED!!! That, and the one where Picard thought he had lived his entire life on that farming planet, only to find that only 10 minutes had passed. That ep blows my mind to this day. Oh, and Nemesis, not saying it was good, but was far superior to Insurrection.

  • March 2, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST

    I'm going to come out and say it..

    by rbatty024

    I actually liked Generations. Sure, it would have been a better film if they didn't feel the need to cram Kirk into the story. The nexus was a pretty cool sci fi concept and Alex from Clockwork Orange played a great villain. I don't understand why everyone hates that film (other than Kirk's wimpy death).

  • March 2, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Warp Drive

    by Coordinate_System

    One of the things that I wish they had developed further was Cochrane's back story. Let face it, a small group of physicists and engineers are not going to invent warp drive in hills above a post-apocalyptic Bozeman, MT, let alone build a working prototype. They would be doing well if they just kept everybody fed and healthy. Aside from that (and a few other minor gripes), I enjoyed it. And Goldsmith's score was, as usual, excellent. I was disappointed that the CD didn't contain the "Flight of the Phoenix" portion, as I still find that to be a rather exciting piece of music.

  • March 2, 2011, 3:06 p.m. CST

    One other *great* TNG episode......

    by Damned if I can login

    And it's a Ron Moore ep: Tapestry It's where Picard finds himself in the afterlife and Q gives him the chance to go back and change things, but the future it creates is NOT what Picard thought it would be. This ep is truly great, in that Moore said he recalled how Kirk was "positively grim" when he was at the academy only to be a hell raiser as a captain. Moore did the opposite with Picard, made him a hell raiser at the academy and more reserved as a captain.

  • March 2, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST

    braindrain re: DS9

    by spire_walk

    Agreed. The buildup to the Dominion War, and the war itself was Trek at its finest. I thought the Dominion was the best enemy empire for the Federation... and we finally got to see the Klingon and Federation alliance in action. Fucking finally! Jeffrey Combs as Weyoun. Enough said.

  • March 2, 2011, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Love me some FC except for one glaring plot hole...

    by Darth Macchio

    Why in the hell would the Borg, who quite clearly wanted to assimilate the human race in TNG over many eposides [que Borg voice"Your technological and biological distinctiveness shall be added to our own"] except, instead, they go back in time to a pre-warp human race. Why? For just the biological distinctiveness? The Borg then apparently they changed their mind from assimilation to destroying the "future" of Earth and humanity, a primary member of the Federation, but why even do that? There would be utterly NO reason to do that unless the human race posed a genuine threat to the Borg collective in the TNG present and, so far as I remember, at no time was that ever the case in the original show. It's a somewhat glaring plot hole even though I agree that FC is without a doubt the best TNG movie without question and one of the better Trek movies in general. Alice Krige was sublime hotness in that movie, Data went through some great character arcs, and Picard, to me, was more than just an action movie archetype although I have to admit that me and everybody I know always yell out when drinking (with that slightly cockney accent of his): "The line must be drawn..BEER!!!!!"

  • March 2, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Never understood the love for First Contact

    by HarveyManfrenjenson

    Prior to FC we'd seen one ST movie that was deeply flawed (Generations) and a couple that were bizarre clusterfucks (I and V), but First Contact was the first to achieve complete mediocrity.............................................. Go back sometime and watch the self-destruct sequence in ST III. Then compare it with the superficially similar, but utterly pedestrian, sequence in First Contact... Hell, I can think of at least one episode from the TV show where a self-destruct sequence was staged more effectively. (Can't remember the episode, but I remember the punchline: "A simple 'yes' would have been sufficient, Number One.")

  • March 2, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Best Trek films...

    by WONKABAR

    1. Star Trek (Abrams) 2. Wrath of Khan 3. The Motion Picture 4. First Contact 5. Undiscovered Country 6. Voyage Home 7. Search for Spock 8. Generations 9. Insurrection 10. Nemesis 11. Final Frontier

  • March 2, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    About that plothole...

    by spire_walk

    Why fight a ridiculous battle in the first place if your whole goal is to time travel back to assimilate the past? Why not just time travel back somewhere far from Earth and begin assimilating the galaxy in 3,000 BC? Pick some remote spot, outside of Fed space, travel back, go to Earth, and assimilate... that way you never tip anyone off to your plans. You could drive a fucking starship through that plot hole.

  • March 2, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    About that plothole...

    by spire_walk

    Why fight a ridiculous battle in the first place if your whole goal is to time travel back to assimilate the past? Why not just time travel back somewhere far from Earth and begin assimilating the galaxy in 3,000 BC? Pick some remote spot, outside of Fed space, travel back, go to Earth, and assimilate... that way you never tip anyone off to your plans. You could drive a fucking starship through that plot hole.

  • March 2, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST

    wonkabar

    by GINGE_MUPPET

    Putting JJ at Number 1 is an instant fail!

  • March 2, 2011, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Great pic!

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    I do love me some TNG Favourite eps are surely the Best of Both Worlds "Resistance is futile, Number One" And always loved that one when Troi gets turned into a Romulan spy. And who didnt love Vash!

  • March 2, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Best Star Trek movie:

    by saintaugust

    Master & Commander. I'd love to see the Enterprise get shot to hell in the first five minutes of a ST movie. Take note JJ.

  • March 2, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Oh, and FC is hands down the best TNG feature film

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    Generations was pants, and the nexus the most illogical (,Jim) and therefore stupid bad guy ever!

  • March 2, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Assimilate this!!!

    by Tikidonkeypunch

  • March 2, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    spire_walk: about that plothole

    by Chewtoy

    Well, the time travel pod was clearly "plan B", launched after the main cube was defeated. I would suspect that the goal was to seize Earth with all of its assets/knowledge through the assault by the Cube. When that failed, they opted for the less-perfect plan of simply defeating them in the past and removing the Federation as an obstacle to assimilating the rest of the quadrant. It could simply be that the Borg Queen's cube is fitted with that time sphere device specifically in case it is ever defeated so that she can never be captured. Your enemy closing in? Fine, go back to a time where you could conquer them easily with the troops you have on board. Not ideal, but better than jumping into an escape pod well behind enemy lines.

  • March 2, 2011, 4:02 p.m. CST

    ginge_muppet lol!

    by WONKABAR

    I admit, I felt wrong doing it....but at the end of the day it is the closet to the original series IMO... with the highest production value, sense of urgency/drama/feels like a real movie. Followed by Khan and Motion Picture. On second glance I'd say Undiscovered Country rates above First Contact going by that criteria. So move it to .4 and I think you'd have the only five Trek movies you really need at this point. That's about the order I would purchase them on Blu-Ray anyway

  • March 2, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Not making another damned list

    by proevad

    after this one. 1. Khan 2. JJ 3. First Contact 4. Motion Picture 5. Search for Spock/Voyage Home and then rest of 'em. and then Shatner's abortion.

  • March 2, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Plot holes in time travel

    by proevad

    movies are always going to be there. They are going to be wide, and they are going to be gaping. Just put it out of your mind and enjoy the ride.

  • March 2, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Sounded kinda dirty

    by proevad

    Didn't mean it 2.

  • March 2, 2011, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Plot hole...plan B reasons for time-travel...

    by Darth Macchio

    True but then that brings into question why'd they'd only use one cube to attack Earth? In the first TNG with the Borg, when Q shoves the Enterprise into the Delta Quadrant (if I remember correctly) that area was teaming with Borg cubes. Teaming with them. But yet in FC, only one attacks Earth - doomed to fail obviously given how much firepower we'd bring into the conflict, surely the Borg would know this, but then when faced with destruction or flight they go back in time to pre-warp Earth just to eradicate us? If that was the point, why not go back to when human civilization first began and simply wipe out the entire species in a single afternoon? Wouldn't even need anything more than a simple virus and enough time to confirm we're all dead. Might even prevent the future Federation from forming! Did Cochran use a chalkboard when writing down the plans for the warp-drive and then it rained and the plans were lost? No one else would EVER create another warp-drive? The Borg would succeed in destroying our future simply by blowing up the experimental ship and then just leaving? Not to mention that, for the most part, Borg technology was always presented as superior to Federation tech - which always gave me pause as to why they'd still want to assimilate the TNG human race at all but I can deal with that...but going back in time to pre-warp Earth to eradicate humanity for the purpose of getting us out of the way when assaulting the rest of the quadrant in the TNG present? What about the Romulans? Arguably exhibited as technologically superior to humans, if not equal. Vulcans? Point being that humanity posed no more threat to the Borg in the TNG timeline than any other race. All that said, for me, this is all forgivable as I really like FC, Data's and Picard's arc, etc, but the time travel thing is definitely a major plot hole. Plus, as an aside, if the Borg had the technology to not only travel through time but control it with any degree of precision (no one primary race/people ever had that level of tech in TNG outside of the Q so far as I remember) then assimilating us becomes even more pointless.

  • March 2, 2011, 5:06 p.m. CST

    darth macchio

    by tao_pilot

    re:why the Borg would want to assimilate the human race... I was under the impression from the first few Borg episodes that at first the Borg had no interest in humans, just looking to dissect the Enterprise for parts. Then when Q blasted the Enterprise back home, the Borg thought this must be some hidden human technology and became obsessed with getting that for themselves, which is why they made a beeline for Earth.

  • March 2, 2011, 5:13 p.m. CST

    tao_pilot

    by proevad

    Holy Shit. You're right. Not surprised that you're right. Surprised I had never thought of that. That fits beautifully.

  • March 2, 2011, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Its not a plot hole

    by gooseud

    If I remember correctly, it was explained: after the defeat of the Cube, The Borg called an audible and basically said "Fuck this, these guys have beat us like 5 times a row here, instead of assimilating them, we are going back in time and simply destroying them so we dont have to keep getting our asses handed to us". Which they then did, or attempted to do. Oh, and actually, one cube was plenty, if I remember correctly, one cube in FC wiped out like 50 ships. It was only Picard's trickiness that defeated them in that movie. They didnt need more then one. That said, the greatest unused plotline in Star Trek history is the Borg gaining the ability to assimilate WITHOUT all the crazy cybernetic shit, thus launching the coolest "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" type plot line ever.

  • March 2, 2011, 5:45 p.m. CST

    BEST STAR TREK MOVIE EVER.EVEN BETTER THAN TWOK

    by KilliK

    FACT BITCHES.

  • March 2, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    and thanx for the pic Quint.i always wondered

    by KilliK

    how they did that too.and the Borg Queen is one of the hottest female cyborg villains.FACT.

  • March 2, 2011, 5:56 p.m. CST

    My only complain with the Borg concept,is that they

    by KilliK

    are supposed to have assimilated millions of worlds,but in all the series and movies we have only seen biped humanoid Borgs. yeah i know it's all about budget and how difficult it is to make and use weirder Borg-assimilated aliens in the making of the film,but still i would love to see for once Borgs with 4 legs or 6 arms,two heads,tentacles,with wings,floating organic orbs,snake-like etc. i wonder if the Borgs ever managed to assimilate non-organic creatures like energy or gas aliens.anyway.

  • March 2, 2011, 5:58 p.m. CST

    You put JJ second in your list?????

    by KilliK

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHA ignorant little kids,completely clueless about what good fun is. JJ Trek = TF2 lite FACT

  • March 2, 2011, 6 p.m. CST

    zfirst Contact is the second-best Trek film...

    by Jobacca

    Right after Wrath of Khan. Search your feelings...you know it to be true.

  • March 2, 2011, 6:17 p.m. CST

    The one Cube attacking Earth is not a plot-hole

    by KilliK

    it was already established in the series,that one cube was powerful enough to destroy entire starfleets.And because the journey from Quadrant Gamma which was Borg territory to Quadrant Alpha which was Federation Territory, was very long it was logical for the Borgs to send whatever of their ship was closest to the Federation Space. OFC that begs the question: why didnt the Borg kept sending their ships,through the wormhole which connected the Beta and Delta Quadrants until they succeed in conquering the Federation.

  • March 2, 2011, 6:55 p.m. CST

    *Looks out window, sees the Enterprise....

    by pushthebuttonmax

    "SWEET JESUS!!"

  • March 2, 2011, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Borg strategy still makes no sense.

    by spire_walk

    Are we saying that the only cube they could muster was just one? Why not at least two? If all other cubes were too far away... why not just wait until you have 40 standing by and then time-travel them back to the originally planned date of the attack, or earlier, and then send them? Hell, with time travel, why not just wait a hundred years, then send back a super advanced invasion force? Or hell, take time travel out of the equation, wait a few months to a year when you have enough and then send them. The only way you can explain the Borg plan without plotholes is to say that they are complete fucking idiots.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:09 p.m. CST

    I don't like TNG

    by dukeroberts

    I never have, but First Contact was the most palatable of the inferior TNG brand of Star Trek films. Also, not being a TNG fan, I thought Nemesis was okay. Insurrection was like a really long episode. Kinda blah. Generations was shit. Kirk don't go out like a punk like that. Think back to The Final Frontier. After being rescued from mountain falling, he said he knew he wasn't going to die because he always knew he would die alone. That's foreshadowing. Picard was there when Kirk died. That ain't "alone". I hate that movie.

  • March 2, 2011, 7:56 p.m. CST

    The problem with the Borg

    by tao_pilot

    The main problem Trek has had with the Borg is that they are never consistent with what the Borg actually are. Right from the very start, Q established that the Borg were not interested in life forms whatsoever, just technology. I thought of them as the ultimate computer geeks in space, just scrounging around to add stuff to their cube with no care for anyone else. If anyone, I'd say the omnipotent Q should know what the Borg's purpose is, so I took that as gospel. He also stated that they were not male or female, but that's been shot to hell, too. Shoot, the first episode also established that the Borg procreated, then added cybernetic components as the children grew up. They were never about assimilating in the first place. But then they encountered humans. At first, they just wanted their technology, but when Q removed the Enterprise from certain defeat by the Borg cube, they had no idea what exactly happened, and decided that humans must be so awesome that they had to include them in their collective.

  • March 2, 2011, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Yes there has been a retcon about the Borgs in FC

    by KilliK

    but that was necessary if you wanted to have a more complex and interesting villain in your story. and frankly i prefer watching the Borg Queen seducing Data rather than a giant Cube talking to Picard.

  • March 2, 2011, 8:13 p.m. CST

    THE BORG

    by frank cotton

    one of the all-time greatest villians, and proof that even some librerals understand the threat of rampant, unchecked communism. more like that, please. and save your worthless political bs for a subject that hasn't been resolved (and ergo, my point proven correct) by time

  • March 2, 2011, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Best Trek movie is still

    by quintana007

    GALAXY QUEST

  • March 2, 2011, 8:26 p.m. CST

    spire_walk well the same thing was happening in TOS/TNG too

    by KilliK

    the Federation usually was sending the Enterprise alone to give assist to various civilizations which were even in the middle of war. Is USA sending their whole army to a 3rd world country whenever they want to make a point,or only an air-carrier and 2-3 ships for starts? And as it has already been said,a single Cube was powerful enough to destroy whole fleets of ships and the time-travel was Borg's Plan B to conquer Earth. Finally we dont know how the Borgs perceive things like strategy and planning.We dont know how they organize and control their conquered space territory.We dont know how many Borg Cubes are out there patrolling their space borders and how many attacking other planets. Maybe they operate like a virus,each Cube is like a strain of virus which is sufficient to attack,infect and finally assimilate a whole civilization.A bunch of Borgs managed to assimilate almost all the Enteprise in a matter of hours. All these things are part of what makes Borgs so great as villains.

  • March 2, 2011, 8:46 p.m. CST

    oh and speaking of strategy and planning.

    by KilliK

    That's why they needed Picard in their collective mind.they knew that his strategic skills were extraordinary and a valuable asset in their conquest of alien civilizations. They understood that their collective way of thinking although it had a lot of advantages,it was not flawless: frequently it is that single,individual mind which has the skills,experience and personal way of looking into things and acting very often controversially to what is generally established but managing at the end to succeed where the majority has failed. the Borgs knew the above truth,they knew that their collective mind needed that individual,inner voice of dispute and alternative way of looking into things. and ironically it was Picard's skills and his experience as an assimilated Borg which helped the Federation defeat the Borgs.

  • March 2, 2011, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Duke...

    by BizarroJerry

    I can understand if someone doesn't like TNG, but from any perspective, First Contact is much better movie than Star Trek V, at least.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Borgs and Voyager

    by BizarroJerry

    Anyone remember how Voyager used the Borg and Borg Queen concept over and over and beat it into the ground, more or less ruining it?

  • March 2, 2011, 9:11 p.m. CST

    I just remember

    by proevad

    that 7 of 9 was a very naughty little borg, and she needed to be punished every week. Seriously tho, yeah Voyager fucked them up.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:38 p.m. CST

    THE only Trek film I can stand....

    by blackflowerX

    The Borg where the shit.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Theory

    by Iahael

    Galaxy Quest, in fact, DOES take place in the Star Trek universe, as that is the television show around which fandom, sequels, and merchandising developed, rather than the 'Star Trek' series itself. T.'.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:39 p.m. CST

    bizarrojerry

    by blackflowerX

    Soooo True , they ruined the Borg.

  • March 2, 2011, 9:47 p.m. CST

    I would love to see a tvseries based on GQ

    by KilliK

    something like a funnier version of ST,where the actors return to their alien friends and start an ala-ST mission to help other planets using their experience from their tvseries.

  • March 2, 2011, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Kilik re: Borg

    by spire_walk

    Not to nitpick, but we have sent single carriers and battleships off the coast of nations in the past. It was a show of force, but not an imminent threat. The Enterprise seems to do this also, as well as function as a diplomatic/scientific vessel. Yeah, you can attack the Federation's flagship, and maybe even destroy it, but woe unto you. You just attacked THE Federation's foremost representative. As for the Borg on the series, I'm not really harping on them there, just annoyed by First Contact. It's still my 3rd or 4th favorite Trek though. 1. Wrath of Khan 2. Undiscovered Country 3. JJ Trek, or FC. 4. FC or JJ Trek 5. Search for Spock 6. The Voyage Home 7. Generations 8. The Motion Picture 9. Insurrection 10. Nemesis Best Trek Villain? Dominion > Borg

  • March 2, 2011, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Speaking of attacking a Fed flagship

    by spire_walk

    I think that was why in DS9 the Dominion did a Kamikaze on the USS Odyssey (Galaxy Class just like Enterprise D). The Odyssey did a display of force by entering the Gamma Quadrant, and were promptly met with a disproportionate display of force. Gotta love the Dominion.

  • March 2, 2011, 11:57 p.m. CST

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  • March 3, 2011, 2:12 a.m. CST

    Bill Maher's flapping-dick

    by WONKABAR

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  • March 3, 2011, 2:57 a.m. CST

    I dig the Borg Queen concept.

    by David Cloverfield

    Although she acts a little too human. Still, coolest pick in a while.

  • March 3, 2011, 2:59 a.m. CST

    First Contact

    by VegasRonReturns

    was only not terrible cuz it directly ripped off Aliens and Terminator. The rest of the NextGen films were utter garbage.

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  • March 3, 2011, 5:25 a.m. CST

    spire_walk what Federation flagship?

    by KilliK

    a single Cube was capable of destroying the whole STARFLEET as it was clearly shown in both series and movie,not just one ship.

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  • March 3, 2011, 7:27 a.m. CST

    The true tragedy would be...

    by Evil Spock

    ... if Nemesis ends up being the last movie with the Next Gen crew. They deserve a better swan song.

  • March 3, 2011, 7:58 a.m. CST

    kilik re: flagships, borg, etc...

    by spire_walk

    I respectfully disagree with your logic on this. If one Borg cube was enough, they wouldn't have been defeated repeatedly. The Federation sending a lone ship is different, because it doesn't send the Enterprise out to conquer any civilizations. It's sent as a diplomatic/political/military representative of the Federation. Think of UN peace keeper/humanitarian missions, etc. No quadrant power is going to pick a fight with the Enterprise because that means bringing the whole Federation down on them. Powers like the Borg don't give a fuck because they are more of a collective ideology rather than a real government with a diplomatic policy. Anyway, the whole Starfleet was not wiped out either time. They lost a fleet at Wolf 359, and although crippling, was not their entire navy. The US has multiple fleets within its navy, so I assume that Starfleet would be made up of many fleets. 50 ships would be a very small number for that much territory in the alpha quadrant to protect shipping from piracy, Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, the Breen, the Borg, the Ferrengi, and would be separatists.

  • March 3, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST

    "Kamikaze on the USS Odyssey..."

    by Billyeveryteen

    Nah, resources like ships and Jem-Hadar mean nothing to the Founders. That's kinda' the point. We care about our people and stuff. They don't. Way scarier than the Borg.

  • March 3, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST

    billyeveryteen re: Dominion

    by spire_walk

    Sure, it was a cheaper exchange for the Founders. The Feds lose a Galaxy class starship and The Dominion lose, what, a light cruiser? From what I remember, the Jem'Hadar can be cloned and raised to maturity in a very short amount of time, and the Dominion could *nearly* match the entire alpha quadrant's ship production capacity with just their shipyards in Cardassian space. Had the wormhole prophets not intervened, The Dominion would have overrun everyone in very short order. The Dominion as an enemy was a lot more frightening than the Borg. They had no qualms about genocide. You can argue that every species the Founders conquered went extinct, since they always genetically modified them into content slaves.

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  • March 3, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST

    little_lebowski

    by AsimovLives

    "Hey! Let's take Wrath of Kahn, mash it up with Undiscovered Country and call it a new film! Ah-hyuk!!!" That's Jar Jar Abrams's STINO SHIT as well, yet you praise it. At least NEMESIS only stole from two previous ST movies, while STINO SHIT stole also from Star Wars and Top Gun as well. And yet the movie that ddi the biggest thievery is the one that's mistaken for a good movie and get the most praise, while you nerd-boys piss and shit on the one that stole the less. Who understands this shit?

  • March 3, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    damned if i can login

    by AsimovLives

    If i'm not mistaken, ST:FIRST CONTACT was made at the time when ST:DS9 was already midway through it's run. That was the time when Brannon Braga started to stab moore in the back and gain more and mroe control over the show at the determent of Moore. I think it was by then when Moore finally started to step away from ST and find fresher pastures.

  • March 3, 2011, 12:47 p.m. CST

    eagledave

    by AsimovLives

    THE MOTION PICTURE should be second or 3rd. Hell, even first.

  • March 3, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    koyaanisqatsi

    by AsimovLives

    So, bascially, your thesis is that Jonathan frakes was warming up until a script like ST: NEMESIS was thrown his way. You do make a good point in that i also suspect that the problem of ST:NEMESIS is not the story but how it was presented. The casting of Tom Hardy as young Picard was surely a good choice, and i believed him as a youg Picard, or a clone of a young Picard gone bad. I liked the scene when the two have a litle chat by the table, when Shinon and Picard finally have a personal convo. Good acting from both actors there. The rest of the movie, sadly, doesn't match up. And i could had do without that dumb sequence with the buggies.

  • March 3, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST

    rbatty024

    by AsimovLives

    It might be a small thing relatively to the rest of the movie's screentime, but Kirk's wimpy death was a great blown against that movie. How many times you have seen a movie that was going pretty good and then a bad ending fucks it completly, so much so that it makes unrepairable dammage? Same thing with ST:GENERATIONS. The inclusion of Kirk in the movie after his disapearence sure was a lame atempt by the filmmakers to try to call the fans to the TNG movie. It's quite clear that the filmmakers were insecure and didn't trusted their own material. They didn't had the strengh of their own convictions. And i detest that type of cowardly filmmaking.

  • March 3, 2011, 1:02 p.m. CST

    damned if i can login

    by AsimovLives

    Tapestry is indeed a great episode. It was great dialogue between Q and Picard, and you can tell that Patrick Stewart loved it, because he acts the hell out of that episode. also a good lesson in that what you think might had been the biggest mistake of your life mgith actually have been the best thing that could had happened to you. "This ep is truly great, in that Moore said he recalled how Kirk was "positively grim" when he was at the academy only to be a hell raiser as a captain. Moore did the opposite with Picard, made him a hell raiser at the academy and more reserved as a captain." Yes indeed. Somethign which those fucking pudrid untalented hackboys Bobby Orcito, Alex The Hlutz and Jar Jar Abrams, not to mention lots of film critics and AICN nerds didn't figured out and understood, as examplified by the exacrable Jar Jar's STINO SHIT movie in how it compeltly fucked up the characterization of young Kirk in his academy years, and also by the blind acceptance it got from the mindless nerd-boys.

  • March 3, 2011, 1:02 p.m. CST

    asimov

    by Damned if I can login

    Interesting. Never had heard about Braga stabbing Moore in the back, but it doesn't surprise me at all. And that was a huge blow to the series (hell, the franchise), since RM was responsible for some of the greatest episodes they did. Everyone is debating the time travel conundrums, and you can lay all of that on Braga. That guy visited the time travel well *far* too often, and it definitely ran dry. I mean, when every other episode is a "temporal this" or "chronton that" the drinks get watered down considerably. So I watch the first ep of Enterprise, and whatta ya think they do? A "temporal cold war"! Frag. Talkin' about a living, breathing, steaming pile....that idea was certainly one. But I agree about the Borg getting pussified during STV's run. When the Borg first appeared in TNG they wiped out the Federation fleet. By the end of STV that ship routinely fought it out with multiple heavily armed tactical cubes and survived with minimal damage. Hello.... The Dominion was far better IMO. Here's a tidbit...the woman who played the female founder, Salome Jens, was quite the looker back in her younger day. *Quite* the looker...

  • March 3, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    wonkabar

    by AsimovLives

    "1. Star Trek (Abrams)" Jar Jar Abrams' STINO SHIT as the best ST movie ever made?? Sir, you jest! Maybe you ment to say the very bottom worst ever. How you could have mixed up words is just weird, though.

  • March 3, 2011, 1:07 p.m. CST

    saintaugust

    by AsimovLives

    That doesn't happen in the begining exactly, but midway through in WRATH OF KAHN, but it's still something alike that, so a St movie already has soemthing alike the MASTER AND COMMANDER scene you so love. By the way, i also love MASTER AND COMANDER, that movie was robbed the oscar back in 2003.

  • March 3, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    wonkabar

    by AsimovLives

    The last thing that Jar Jar's STINO SHIT feels like is as a movie. THE MOTION PCITURE looks like a movie. WRATH OF KAHN looks like a movie. That Jar Jar's STINO SHIT crap looks like an overlong bad Felicity teen drama TV episode made over-expensive because some brat got the most expensive toys without meriting them.

  • March 3, 2011, 3 p.m. CST

    damned if i can login

    by AsimovLives

    Ronald D. Moore had an idea for a new ST series which involved a general invasion of the Borgs into the Federation. It was to be a darker version of the ST as presented in TOS and TNG. And as the show's inovative ideas to it, was that among the borgs there were a new model, one which they looked exactly like humans, and they were working fifth column actions behind the lines. However, that idea was bombed and scrapped by Braga who decided to make ENTERPRISE instead. So Moore reworked his ST idea and it became BATTLESTAR GALACTICA.

  • March 3, 2011, 4:58 p.m. CST

    spire_walk

    by KilliK

    "I respectfully disagree with your logic on this. If one Borg cube was enough, they wouldn't have been defeated repeatedly. " The Borgs were defeated repeatedly and lost all their credibility as one of the most dangerous threats for the Federation,with the Voyager crapfest series. But until then,the Borg in TNG and FC meant very serious business.And even then,it was the lazy and over-used Deus Ex Machina solution which defeated the Borg which happens to be a major flaw for ALL the Trek series and movies. " The Federation sending a lone ship is different, because it doesn't send the Enterprise out to conquer any civilizations. It's sent as a diplomatic/political/military representative of the Federation. Think of UN peace keeper/humanitarian missions, etc. No quadrant power is going to pick a fight with the Enterprise because that means bringing the whole Federation down on them. Powers like the Borg don't give a fuck because they are more of a collective ideology rather than a real government with a diplomatic policy." i agree with the above,but you ignore something.you are talking about civilizations with technology and military force as advanced as the Federation's. But what about the more primitive civilizations? There are a lot of TOS/TNG episodes where the Enterprise alone does use force instead of diplomacy in order to make its point to the technologically less advanced planets which are on dispute. The Borg perceive the Federation as another technological asset ready for assimilation but primitive enough not to pose a threat to them.So they send a Cube to do the dirty work. Should they send more Cubes together when they found out that the Federation is more dangerous that they thought? you betcha. but blame the lazy writers of the shows for not doing this logical thing,and not the Borg as a concept. " Anyway, the whole Starfleet was not wiped out either time. They lost a fleet at Wolf 359, and although crippling, was not their entire navy. The US has multiple fleets within its navy, so I assume that Starfleet would be made up of many fleets. 50 ships would be a very small number for that much territory in the alpha quadrant to protect shipping from piracy, Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, the Breen, the Borg, the Ferrengi, and would be separatists." Well no they didnt lose the entire fleet,but they did lose a lot of ships.And as Picard pointed out,the Federation was not prepared for the vastly superior Borg threat.That's way they made an alliance with the major players (Romulas,etc), build new ships which were specialized for military combat,redesigned the Enterprise to be more combat efficient,upgraded and developed new technology,etc and all this because of the destruction which was brought by a single Cube.

  • March 3, 2011, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Never seen the movie, or any Trek movie for that matter

    by Kammich

    But the headline reminds me of the shit the character Babcock says in Justin Cronin's book "The Passage." Just finished reading it, awesome book that has a very "Stand" vibe to it. Ridley Scott's supposed to be adapting it sometime after the Prometheus films... hopefully that comes to fruition.

  • March 3, 2011, 8:02 p.m. CST

    kilik

    by spire_walk

    We'll have to agree to disagree on this whole cube thing. I admit that the Borg are a threat. Losing 50 vessels in one engagement to one cube would fuck up anyone. I imagine the Feds were doing some serious ship building between the battle of Wolf 359 and the Dominion War. They were surrounded by a lot of enemies. The Romulans were always a thorn in their sides, relations with the Cardassians were tense over the joint military control of Terok Nor (DS9), an undeclared war with the Klingons irrupted, and the Dominion was sitting there smiling patiently.