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Update! A Spaghetti Western Involving Quentin Tarantino!?
Beaks here with a quick update...
I still don't have all the pieces of the story (my Tarantino sources have been much more tight-lipped regarding this project than they were on INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS), but here are three things I can confirm: 1) Quentin Tarantino's next film is a spaghetti western, 2) Christoph Waltz is "one of the stars", and 3) that title is completely wrong (even if it got completely mangled by Google Translate, it's still not even close). I cannot confirm plot details at present (though I think I've got the premise).
As for Franco Nero, Keith Carradine and Treat Williams, this is the first I've heard of their involvement, but I'm inclined to believe they're in the mix since I've heard the plan is to shoot the film in Italy and Spain later this year. I've been pressing for confirmation since this morning, but have thus far received no responses to my emails.
It's probably too on the nose for Tarantino to cast Waltz as a German quick-draw artist ala Gerard Herter in Sergio Sollima's THE BIG GUNDOWN, right?
More updates as they (hopefully) come in...
2ND UPDATE: Got the word from Team Tarantino this evening that Quentin is "still writing". What's he writing? It's definitely not an adaptation of Elmore Leonard's 40 LASHES LESS ONE as some have speculated (one of my sources was convinced this was out to certain actors under the title of LOBO). It's an original. Is it a western? They ain't saying. So until I hear something official, I'll stand by what I've reported above (all of which came from very trustworthy sources) and see what transpires over the next few months. My feeling is that we're a bit early on this one.
Merrick here...
THIS piece at The Playlist offers an intriguing assessment of a piece originating at Movieplayer (HERE).
Seems Franco Nero (CAMELOT, DJANGO, FORCE 10 FROM NAVARONE, DIE HARD 2, and he's a voice for the upcoming CARS 2) has apparently revealed to Movieplayer (in Italian) that he's working on some sort "Spaghetti Western" project with Quentin Tarantino.
Nero says...
“The film will be called ‘The Angel, The Bad And The Wise’ and is a tribute to Sergio Leone. It’s a movie that contains humor, lots of action, but also a great plot,” Nero said (via Movieplayer). “We have already been signed by a dozen people who will be part of project. Among the filmmakers involved include Quentin Tarantino , Keith Carradine, Treat Williams, fifteen people in all Americans who want to do this movie and so we are trying to produce it outside of Italy.”
Sounds like the project is still coming together, but it's a highly intriguing notion and I hope this works out. Note that Nero does not specifically say that Tarantino would be directing the picture - only that he's "involved." This would seem, however, to be a rather excellent fit for Tarantino, so we'll see...
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that is all
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sounds promising.
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Awesome... I wrote DJANGO into one of my screenplays... Wrote NERO that I had him in mind.... We can never have enough Spagetti in Hollywood.
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He readily admits that he uses old scores and is not ashamed of it. He says (and i think correctly) why would he pay someone to score his movie when he can do it himself with old music? It's not like he claims the music as his own. Morricone should thank Quentin for making his scores famous for the new generation.
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And later dubbed?
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Too right. More westerns please. Just make this Django 2.
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Let's scrap "The Bad". Its been used too often before.
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The best TGB&U homage used yet. I'm not sure what I think of The Angel, The Bad, and The Wise, but it's Tarintino, I'll see it. Even when he's not on the top of his game it's still better than most of the stuff in the theater.
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Feb. 28, 2011, 12:45 p.m. CST
",,,fifteen people in all Americans who want to do this movie..."
by slone13
I think something wasn't translated correctly.
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Music and stories have been around for about 50,000 years. There hasn't been a lot of originality ever. This will be good because the dialogue and the story telling will be original.
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Says he is producing and will make an acting cameo.
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That's about all the people who are actually interested in this.
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Feb. 28, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST
if you knock Tarantino for using non-original scores....
by archer1949
are you going to rake Stanley Kubrick over the coals for doing the same thing?
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Not Italy. How awesome would it be if he got Ennio to write a new spaghetti western score? Not that Tarrantino ever uses original music.
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Or if it was a remake of The Big Silence.
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Though Inglorious needed way more (yes, this sounds stupid) action scenes to really convey why the Basterds are total badasses, Tarantino usually doesn't not make bad movies ... We will excuse his Grunge House movies.
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Wow, imagine that, Tarantino aping somebody else's style in a movie.
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The Kubrick comparison is a good one to point out though I wonder...did Quintin and RZA credit all the myriad pieces of music sourced in the Kill Bill score? RZA is certainly talented to be sure though I've often wondered why he received that particular credit in KB. Why not a music supervisor credit or something to the effect "Music chosen and mashed up by: RZA" lol Its kind of silly and short sited to be mad at Quintin for wanting to pay homage to a man who is only known to U.S. audience because he himself chose to rip someone else off.
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Feb. 28, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST
After Inglorious Basterds, I'm ready to sit through anything this guy is involved with.
by WriteForTheEdit
And it seems hard to believe he HASN'T made some kind of spaghetti western already. Right up that mofo's alley.
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I don't know what they put in the water in Italy, but Franco Nero still looks great. He's aging like a fine wine and Westerns are in his blood. This could be really cool. (And thanks for the "cool news".)
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Yeah, that's the title to movie 23 Americans wanna do, too! Sheesh.
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Thats all I need to know. I don't think he has done a bad film, Grindhouse included.
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Feb. 28, 2011, 1:49 p.m. CST
More derivative bullshit from Hollywood's most squandered talent...
by BurnHollywood
Jeezus Khrist, Quentin, we fucking get it...YOU LIKE OLD MOVIES. Move the fuck on.
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He's better suited for that type of genre mashup than Ron Howard.
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The Rza is credited for the original score work he did for Kill Bill. Not for the songs used in the film he had nothing to do with. Granted there is not much of it in the film. But it's standard for the film's original score artist to be credited in the opening credits and the bands, songs and writers of anything else used in the end credits. I don't believe for one second you didn't already know this though.
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According to imdb The RZA is credited with "Original Music by:" and looking at the soundtrack disc, there is one piece by The RZA and one where there is a nearly undetectable, but still acknowledged sample. The soundtrack page on wikipedia has a bit of an interview w/him about it. He and Quentin worked together to put the score together and he created a few pieces as well. Some people really need to unbunch their panties.
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they not only remind us when cinema was fun and exciting; but he also puts his own spin on it from the dialogue, music, and actors he uses to fill that story. Let's face it...Quentin knows how to use violence to tell a story.
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Sure, I'll check this out.
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I've no problem with Tarantino not using an original score. In fact, he usually is quite good when it comes to selecting music. Not everything needs a Hans Zimmer score...
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Sounds like a drunken "wouldn't it be cool if we did a spaghetti western together..." kind of conversation that this dude had with Tarantino, more than a real project.
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Well, which is it? The exclamation mark makes it a statement, the question mark elicits a query. Is he making a Western or not? Frankly, after the last decade of bollocks from old banana-chin, I couldn't give a monkey's either way...
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Or there is the fact that !? is considered to be "questioning surprise". The sentence is fine, stop being pedantic.
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Strange film, a western homage by way of Japan, with Tarantino in a bit part. Has references to Django and Fistful of $/Yojimbo. Saw it only once, couldn't quite decide if it was a bizarre success or surreal failure. Surprised he hasn't made an outright Western yet given his love of the genre/Leone even if IB and Kill Bill had those overtones. Do think his dialogue (especially in Pulp Fiction, in some scenes I can visualize the script and lines when Travolta/Jackson are speaking) is heavy handed and a bit to cool/knowing for it's own good at times, but did enjoy Jackie Brown and Inglorious, and he definitely has talent.
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Holy shit, I almost forgot he exsisted. He sounds like the perfect OT reclamation project.
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Well, ONE Of my other problems with him, is that he's only ever written one character, ever. Take any piece of dialogue from any Tarantino character and give it any other Tarantino character and it'll work just as well. Imagine Sam L. Jackson's character giving the "Superman/Clark Kent" speech from Kill Bill, or imagine the opening scene from "Inglorious Bastards" done by Harvey Keitel's character from "Pulp Fiction." There wouldn't be any change in the characters. He has no idea how to create characterization or variety.
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It's fucking complicated oral surgery getting *any* kind of confirmation out of Tarantino's "camp", but I now know Christoph Waltz is involved. Hope to have more for you guys soon.
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...we never saw THAT coming are way...
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....meh. I much prefer his more original stuff like Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction and Inglorious Basterds. Any time he lives too fully within a particular style I've been really let down.
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I think the problem is assuming that Tarantino had or has anything more to offer than derivative bullshit. He's obviously found his comfort zone and he ain't about to change!
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IB started off as a "men on a mission" movie, and became something else. If the premise is what I'm *almost sure* it is, it's not your typical spaghetti western movie.
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That would have been embarrassing...
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Has surely developed an affinity for the Western motif of late. I would like to see where this project goes.
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And he's infecting it with even worse mutated strains of himself. Eli Roth, for instance.
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When he was watching Z channel and shit. Fine by me.
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I remember Tarantino talking about doing a western that took place in the deep south, which he dubbed a "southerner". Is this that same film or something entirely different?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zItF0ZpWGZ0
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Inglorious Basterds was a masterpiece. A Spaghetti Western w/ Franco Nero? :) Fucking awesome!
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Feb. 28, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST
Treat Williams is ripe for a comeback. Or at the very least a Forster-ish career boost.
by Mitch
Anyone who's ever seen The Phantom, Deep Rising or Substitute 2, 3, or 4 will tell you he's The Man.
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I love Spaghetti Westerns, and I generally like QT films, but I think his films have gotten a little too slick and clean for this genre. This film will only succeed if common houseflies get so much screentime in actors' closeups that they earn SAG credit. The guy I'd like to see make a Spaghetti Western these days is Werner Herzog. Let him take a cast and crew into ghost town territory, strand them, and just run everybody until they break.
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bring it! and fuck that guy for bitching about RZA. He knows nothing about what he did. I look forward to this, like I look forward to watching my Man With No Name Blu rays!
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Awesome flick. Nice and violent, many great characters. QT could turn it into one of his own with ease...
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Never heard of that before. Considering his body of work, that makes Kubrick quite the thief, eh?
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3 bonafide masterpieces in the past 20 years, Dogs, Pulp, and Basterds. Even when he's coasting (Jackie Brown, Kill Bill) he's pretty fucking great.
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I have a title of the same sort but I can't tell might get used. The ____, The ____, and The ____... If I told yeah I'd have to kill yeah.. Great title thou...
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Made a bad film nuff said...
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Feb. 28, 2011, 4:59 p.m. CST
PLEASE LET EASTWOOD DO A CAMEO..ONE LAST SHOOTOUT AT THE BEGINNING
by David
That's all Im asking..Please?!!!
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Beaks, I hope so, because that could be fun. <p> flip63hole, I should have said stealing FROM another genre, because that's what he does. When he takes and makes it his own I find his films utterly brilliant. When he takes and ends up re-hashing, sticking too closely to whats been done 1000 times before, or just makes a muddled mess (which, for me, he's done more than once), I have no interest. <p> Not sure I understand the Kubrick comment or how it relates to QT openly jumping from genre to genre doing "homages".
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...not to mention utterly pointless (which is a conversation for another time, maybe), but Jackie Brown is my least favorite QT movie by an immeasurable amount. THAT is one boring let down of a movie. Took me quite a while to forgive dude for that one. <p> However, that's just my opinion. I'm well aware that many people love that movie. Thankfully I also know that a lot of people hate it. Probably wouldn't be such a divisive film if it didn't follow Pulp Fiction, which is always the film he be most known for no matter what he does with the rest of his career.
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Thank <p> fucking <p> Satan!
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Like musicals, they are the pits. Doesn't matter who directs it.
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But underneath it'll be a German expressionist horror film with some overt references to Godard, Welles, Russ Meyer, Joe Dante, Satyajit Ray by way of Nicholas Ray, F.W. Murnau and Savage Steve Holland.
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It doesn't exactly work when you omit the fact that Kubrick has never chosen famous pieces from previous film scores. He used pre-existing classical music that he fit into his films. That's different than taking one of Ennio's famous pieces from the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly and putting it over his film. They're not the same thing. People can take Tarantino to town for using music from Leone's films or anybody elses film without any sense of hypocrisy. I don't really mind it as I think Tarantino has always been a playful filmmaker who never takes things too seriously... Even in the middle of Landa's opening scene, he pulls a Looney Tunes gag with his grand pipe.
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Aye, Scorsese would be a more apt comparison. Look at his use of the music from Godard's "Contempt" in "Casino," for instance. Although I must admit I can't think of any other examples of Scorsese using other film scores (beyond "Cape Fear," of course) in his movies. Anybody got any?
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I'd actually look forward to this film. Sounds AWESOMEEEE beyond belief and already better than Basterds which had some great elements, but just didn't do it for me. Waltz should stick with films like this, if he goes into too much American cinema he'll be doing roles like the one in Green Hornet constantly, which was a shame. That movie blew, save for him and Franco. I was a huge fan of QTs work with Kill Bill though, so I'm definitely stoked for this.
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Pefection
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Feb. 28, 2011, 6:12 p.m. CST
Tarantino already uses Leone-esque close-ups, showdowns, and music... all to death.
by Tigger Tales
That said, I am still excited about this after seeing the potential cast.
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Feb. 28, 2011, 6:14 p.m. CST
Quentin hailed TGTBTU as the best directed film of all time...
by Tigger Tales
Yes, it's a brilliant movie... but forgive me for asking, what did it have that the previous two Dollars movies were lacking? All three (add Once Upon a Time in the West, too) were masterpieces, "More" being my favorite of the bunch.
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. . . isn't James Franco.
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Feb. 28, 2011, 6:45 p.m. CST
I bet that it won't be a WESTern but a SOUTHern! BASTARDS with an Antebellum or Postbellum twist
by sneakypeete
...where the bastards save slaves 'n that...
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Opening day.
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Feb. 28, 2011, 7:46 p.m. CST
The Wise is an Old Man or an Indian. The angel is teenaged girl or a woman. The bad
by TheJudger
Is the villain. If so.... Somehow I am guessing the plot might be a little like the 1976 flick "The Last Hard Men" with James Cogburn and Charlton Heston. Which is not a bad thing. Or maybe it's a movie about a big fucking Indian (wise) a beautiful girl (angel) and a Han Solo/Eastwood/Jame Dean type (bad) who work as team to rob trains and crap like that and or avenge some bad shit that happened to a native settlement. God only know with QT.
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after rewatching it I love it. Great movie in subtle way especially for a Tarintino flick. The scene where SJ's character talks Chris Tucker's character into climbing in the trunk of his car so he could drive around the corner and shoot him is a classic. Great music as well. Across a 110th street--love it.
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YOU IGNORANT SLUTS! Jackie Brown is EASILY Quentin's best work. HANDS DOWN motherfuckers, no question. A film about maturity, and choices, and consequences. Can't...see...fucking...straight...BLOO HULK....BLOO SMASH!<P>In all seriousness though, Jackie Brown really is Quentin's best work. It's just so fucking different and mature then Pulp Fiction that I think it's hard for people to realize what a masterpiece it is.
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Kubrick took those songs from operas, Movies are our generations operas. The songs exist entangled with a previous story or convention and both directors were using those pre-existing cues when they used those songs. That said, Kubrick was always innovative and daring and had a fierce vision. I'm hoping Quentin delivers us some badass cinema this go around, but it's been diminishing returns on each and every single film since Reservoir Dogs. And please if there are prominent female characters let them be mysterious, give me a fucking break with the Quentin leading females he can't write them for shit.
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......filled with references to classic cinema. Not excited.
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DEAD I SAY!!!
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I could see him doing a fun but dark cyberpunk type of film, or maybe a sci-fi heist film (think Cowboy Bebop). If neither of those, how about a Tarantino take on the post apocalyptic Mad Max subgenre? He'll, why not Johnny Mnemonic? The film that was made from Gibsons short story was pretty bad. I could see Tarantino doing an interesting take on it.
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...if it's made by an American?
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Is Duck, You Sucker! like the bastard child of his westerns? It's the only one you didn't just shout out.
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My fault, slaughtered your handle typing off pothead memory
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I agree with Mark Kermode...QT squanders his considerable talent with these fan-wank movies. He should carefully study his pal PT anderson, who's career has evolved to the point of There Will Be Blood, one of the best films of the past 25 years.
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Feb. 28, 2011, 9:53 p.m. CST
Drat, I was hoping we'd see QT go all pulp with "the Shadow"
by MrEkoLetMeLive
He was gonna do that for a while, right? Oh well. Tarantino plus a straight up spaghetti western? Yes please. And then Kill Bill Vol. 3.
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Hooray, because details, and spaghetti western is a-okay. Boo, because sci fi, and this not being it. Someday, QT. Make a monster movie.
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Started with DEATH RIDES A HORSE in my eye...
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Feb. 28, 2011, 10:27 p.m. CST
Kill Bill and Inglorious Bastards Had Spaghetti Western Elements
by NeonFrisbee
It's only fitting he'd go the whole way and do a bona fide western. I'm in. I wanna see it. You know what, though? I wasn't thrilled with IG. It had cool moments (the rathskeller + card game + shoot out being my favorite), but it didn't completely come together for me. I dunno. Something felt flat about it... I friggin' LOVED Kill Bill, though, though I know people felt that was a let down, it's my fave QT flick. It hit all my geek buttons.
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I mean don't get me wrong, the guy could film two pieces of shit with voice overs and I'd still watch it for the dialogue, and I'm sure a western by him will by awesome, but he has sort of done westerny stuff already (mainly KBV.2, but also IB to an extent). Either way, this should get the rest of it out of his system. And am I the only one that would like to see him to do classic gangster/crime movie? It's been awhile since he's done a straight crime movie, without any other hoopla (even if it is all very interesting and awesome hoopla).
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This sounds amazing. I'm in.
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March 1, 2011, 12:15 a.m. CST
Tarantino will Dona western where you never see the shootout
by Tikidonkeypunch
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is that we won't have to sit through several God awful, boring, fifteen minute scenes of his characters talking about their favorite scenes from other movies. Gotta love the 19th century. Movies weren't invented yet! I suppose he could have characters talk about books they've read but that would require QT to actually be able to read a book first in order to reference it. I doubt he's done that in a while (if ever).
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Really, Quentin, take your time, man. No hurry. Take a few more years. Hell, take a decade or two. Better yet, just die before you finish this and save us the agony of having to watch more of your shit.
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also from Casino - "Moonglow" from Picnic "Walk On The Wild Side" from Walk On The Wild Side "EO Eleven" from Ocean's Eleven
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March 1, 2011, 2:28 a.m. CST
HE needs to redeem himself for death proof and unglorious crapterds
by HeisenbergsBlueSky
FUCK THAT MOVIE SUCKED.This is coming from a die hard tarantino fan i kept waiting and waiting for it pay off nearly walked out before it was over something i never do at the theater.and eli roth just made me sick it was like him and qt were sitting around doing a pile of blow one night congratulating each other on how great they are and he was able to convince quinten to let me live out the ultimate jew fantasy and kill hitler and his fellow nazis.i liked hostel alot and thought cabin fever was decent aside from the ending put found it completely laughable when i read excerpts from his book about struggling so hard to write cabin fever. i recall thinking really?that movie. death proof had some ok things but god damn did that diner scene go on n on n on not quite as bad as that fucking stupid card game scene in ib.after kill bill i'd go see anything he did but after these last 2 i'm sceptical of giving up my money to see anything he does
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To be honest I love every movie Tarantino directed and yes, including Death Proof! Very excited about this one. I'm a fanboy, so what? I grew up on Kill Bill, one of my best cinematic experience
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March 1, 2011, 3:56 a.m. CST
Yippee! I've wanted to see Tarantino do a spaghetti western for a while...
by Hat Man
... but as chickentalks predicts, it will not be what we expect. Wonder if he will shoot it all in Italian? Or half in Italian and then dub it into English? Redub the pistol shots with that special Leone treatment?
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March 1, 2011, 5:35 a.m. CST
Translation must be off...he said there would be a "great plot."
by Executor
Tarantino hasn't had a plot, let alone a great one, since his Jackie/Pulp/Reservoir glory years. If he said there will be a lot of rambling conversations followed by a brief gunfight, then I'd believe him.
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I get a hard on every time I hear about Tarantino doing a movie. I get an even bigger hard on when I hear that the movie is actually really happening and being made. I get an even bigger hard on than the allready bigger one I had when the movie comes out and I get to go see it. That being said, he is as slow as a frozen snail dipped in glue...So I guess we'll see what happens in 3 to 5 years?
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... blows zombie balls. Having to click on every fucking subject line to expand this shit is tedious as all get out. For fuck's sake, does fatass get paid by google for each mouse click? Anyway... QT... looking forward to a cool movie that includes at least 20 unnecessary minutes of hip dialog that does absolutely nothing to move the plot or develop the characters. Sucks when a talent becomes too big to accept an editor touching their masterworks.
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Why would I give a shit what that pretensious prick thinks? I'll be there day one. This is the guy who gave us Inglorious Basterds. How can anyone not love that movie.....?
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Essentially, all of his films are comedies. T.'.
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March 1, 2011, 7:25 p.m. CST
Tarantino western. Opening scene: Man on a horse contemplating crossing a creek -35 minutes
by Dirk_The_Amoeba
Man ( Played by Christopher Walken): Yes, your fetlocks will get wet as you cross this creek, but the current has low turbidity, which should in no way cause you distress. I will provide you with plenty of crunchy granola once we reach the other side. (Long 20 minute pause as the camera does a 360 degree pan to reveal that now the horse is on top of the man). Man: - continued - This feels right, the bridle is mine - I think I would like some milk fade out
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I am 100% italian so I can tell you that, in facts, the translation is wrong: "L'angelo, il bruto e il saggio" is translated into: the Angel, the Brute and the Wise (wise intended more like a philosopher)
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March 2, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST
Tarantino has a Wheel of Fortune type thingy in his production office
by Bobo_Vision
On the wheel, different genres are listed. When deciding what film to make next he spins the wheel to figure out which genre to rip-off, then he constructs a Frankenstein monster type script made from bits and pieces of the best films in that genre, casts it with his favorite actors, and then goes to work. It's paint by number at this point.
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make that instead QT
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