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Does the ALIEN Appear In PROMETHEUS?

Nordling here.

At this point it's unclear what to think about Ridley Scott's PROMETHEUS.  Is it a prequel to ALIEN, is it set in the ALIEN universe, what exactly is the story... no one is quite sure.  I've pretty much decided that it's a prequel to ALIEN, but I think Scott is approaching it in a way that we shouldn't have any preconceived notions about the film because it's a prequel.  I think Scott and the writers want it to be far enough removed so that we can look for signifiers to the original films but the film itself isn't beholden to the events in those films.

Brendon Connelly of Bleeding Cool, according to this article, did seem to land a key bit of information, from an unnamed source on the project - the xenomorph will appear in some form, although it may not look anything like the Aliens of the original series.  To quote the article:

"Remember how the alien took on canine qualities after gestating in a dog? You may even suppose that the first film’s alien was so recognisably humanoid because it had grown in a human. The same applies here: generation by generation, the creature mutates. As Prometheus begins, the xenomorph is not too recognisable. Sure, it has that alien DNA that Scott and Fassbender teasingly referred to, but it’s missing… well, it’s missing human DNA. Or dog DNA."

The article also talks about how terraforming plays a part in the storyline.  Click above to read it.

It doesn't bother me anymore that PROMETHEUS is a prequel to ALIEN.  I think Ridley Scott is going somewhere unique this time, and if anyone's going to make an ALIEN movie, even by another name and another theme, it's Ridley Scott and company.  He's earned our trust.  I'm seriously thinking of not following any more coverage of this film, simply because I want to be surprised by what Scott dishes out.

PROMETHEUS opens June 8, 2012.

Nordling, out.

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  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:14 p.m. CST

    so it's a prequel again? or a companion piece?

    by Meadowe

    Very touch and go with the specifics of this partiqular projeqt.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:14 p.m. CST

    sweet.

    by Mennen

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    I'd just like to know what the basic plot is...

    by sonnyfern

    Is it another....people getting killed off by an alien plot...or something more? I'm hoping it's just not an explanation about The Alien and where it came from, part of what I love about the mythology is that there's so much mystery about them, they're almost Lovecraftian in nature...

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Good...this is what I want to hear.

    by _Venkman

    Now just tell me the Space Jockeys are in it

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Space jockey alien....

    by krod

    meaning giant f'n xenomorph

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST

    What...No justin Bieber in here?... what gives

    by prawnofthedead

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Just Ridley Scott and sci-fi is enough for me

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Its been too too long since Sir Ridley been playing in the genre.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Have they started filming yet?

    by BenBraddock

    Only 1 year 4 months til release..!

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST

    I second that. Gotta be a space jockey alien.

    by spire_walk

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Ridley Scott has to earn back our trust

    by Gozu

    Remember when he decided to go back to the historical epic well with "Robin Hood?" I know that was all of last year, but it's still the same director. As far as I can tell, the Ridley Scott who directed "Alien," "Blade Runner," and "Legend" is dead and buried.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST

    turd - with Alien and Blade Runner on his resume it would take

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    more than one crapfest to do that. But with the anticipation that it will be brilliant, it will be hard to meet fans expectations. Hope to god it does.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:30 p.m. CST

    I had to kill a space Jockey because he made a mistake....

    by prawnofthedead

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:30 p.m. CST

    it's not terraforming

    by spidercoz

    unless the end goal is to make it like Earth

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:31 p.m. CST

    a dumb assed question...

    by solitaire

    I love Alien, but one thing has always puzzled me. In Aliens, Ripley plainly states that they set down on lv426 on company orders to retrieve an alien...but how did the company know they were there? Did they descipher the distress signal previously and then send the nostromo out that way with ashe to secure the specimen? did a previous survey team find the alien ship? I was always confused by that...and in any case, if the weiland/yutani company sent them there for that reason, why the hell would they go and eventually set up a colony without securing the alien ship beforehand? old woodsmans advice you would think they would know- you don't shit in a snakehole. Burke sure as hell knew nothing about it until Ripley mentioned it, but neither did Van Llewen, the ceo. did they company just say "ah, the hell with it, let's move on" and forget the whole damn thing for 57 years, during which time whoever DID originally know died without telling anybody? Anybody that knows or can help me out?

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST

    the plot is about the space jockey: says ridley scott himself:

    by circletimesquare

    "In the bonus materials of the special edition Alien DVD, director Ridley Scott has expressed the opinion that a film exploring the backstory of the Space Jockey would be an interesting new direction for the series to take." http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Space_Jockey while that's not definitive, it's about as close as we get to a confirmation of a space jockey story line

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST

    So... it'll be shiny black-ish

    by thommcg

    That's a great reveal. Promethesus link to Alien? We kept the shiny-blackness.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Frankly, I've heard enough about this fuckin' film...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    I WANTZ IT NOA!!!!

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST

    I am really, and I mean REALLY looking forward to this

    by Astronut

    I trust Ridley. I doubt he would take this concept on unless he was very confident in it. "100% same Alien universe" or not, I am sure he will give us one hell of a film here. Anyone agree with me?

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    What if

    by quicksilver80

    It's a story about a "precursor" race, very similar to humans, who find or develop the aliens as a bio-weapon? It could be set thousands of years before emergence of the human race for all we know.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    solitaire

    by Nordling

    The Company knew about the aliens on LV426. They replaced the human science officer with Ash right before the Nostromo took off, with the express orders to secure the creature. How the Company knew they were there... well, I imagine that's one of the questions PROMETHEUS would answer. I would also think that the Company covered up the mission 57 years previously - someone sent that ship there and the ship never came back, and whoever sent them there would have to explain that to their corporate masters so they probably shredded or deleted the information. It was also top secret, and since it's a corporation I'd imagine people like Van Leuwen or Burke just weren't high enough in the corporate chain to know.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Seriously, reading all this has made me soil...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...my space jockeys. With excitement. And excrement.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Green Lantern WILL be better...

    by cgih8r

    At SUCKING!

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Nordling, you fuck

    by Dr. Egon Spengler

    It's pretty useless to say "SPOILER ALERT!" in the article when you possibly spoiled it in the fucking title of the article!

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Oh, great, here comes darth_kong again with all his amazing ideas...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...DK, if the movie doesn't live up to the coolness of the stuff you're posting in all these Prometheus-related threads, I will cry me a river.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Wait, Nordling...

    by Astronut

    I follow you on everything you just posted but about Burke... he knew, right? He knew. He tried impregnating Ripley and the little girl via the face-hugger in order to bring back a "souvenier". Or am I missing something?

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST

    astronut

    by Nordling

    You're right, I think Burke knew - but probably not at first. I think he went over Ripley's report and found something in Company archives that corroborated with it. Either way, he probably thought no harm no foul in having some poor family check it out. When the colony went south it confirmed his suspicions.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Alien Zoo

    by UGG

    Sound's like there going to steal my teenage idea of an Alien Zoo story. It was basically Aliens/Jurrasic Park. Can you imagine a fuckin Alien RHINO?

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:50 p.m. CST

    I'm hyped for this but I'm still skeptical on plot

    by cgih8r

    simply because of Ridley Scott's story telling skills as of late. I mean it's just a matter of personal opinion but I felt Body of Lies, Kingdom of Heaven, and Robin Hood all were pretty weak on story, and they all seem to take themselves more seriously than they deserve. In my opinion. Scott's strengths lately have been in cinematography and action directing but the story and character building has been a bit of a gray area. What makes me skeptical about this film is the way the plot has been developed. It sounds very much like how they pieced the Robin Hood story together which was it started off as a story about the Sheriff, then it turned into something else. Same thing here, it started off as an Alien prequel about space jockey's and now it's turning into something else. It's like Scott doesn't have a great story to tell, he just has an interesting concept in a world he would like to explore and he wants to build a visceral visual experience around it. But if Scott's going to make another movie with less plot and more about creating a world with cool visuals I'd rather it be a sci-fi world as rich as the one he created with Alien.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST

    I'm just glad that this isn't going to be...

    by The Dum Guy

    Like the how Soldier was the sequel to Blade Runner. I was afraid this was just going to be some random story that took place in the Alien universe.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST

    One thing in Aliens that bugs me (giggle)

    by UGG

    I'm sure the marine's always said they'd never actually encountered an Alien life form? Right? even with all the "Bug hunt" quotes. Well if I remember correctly I hope they don't have the Prometheus universe teaming with Star Trek/Wars cantina's then.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Spoiler! Is the anwser to this question inferred in the asking?

    by Reelheed

    Yes.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Great googly moogly

    by D.Vader

    This may be the best way to make an Alien prequel: By pretending you're making a completely DIFFERENT science-fiction film and then sprinkling some Alien hints among it. That way you're not forced into being slavish to hitting those iconic Alien notes that a typical prequel would.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Acid INK!

    by UGG

    Fuck ahole great idea, that would then make some awesome Lovecraft abomination. Shit I should dig out my old attempt at a script, if they made AvPR I'm sure they can make use of this.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Also, an Alien prequel would HAVE to be horror

    by D.Vader

    Whereas a movie that's not necessarily a standard prequel can just have some hints of Alien canon but be a science fiction drama or action film. It doesn't need to follow the same blueprint as previous films in the series.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3 p.m. CST

    Ridley Scott wants that damn Oscar...

    by darth_hideous

    ...that he should have gotten for Gladiator. I think he is still very bitter about this. After The Departed won the big prize, Scott responded by making American Gangster. Now that Avatar has shown that science fiction is regaining steam, Scott decides to make an Alien prequel. Don't get me wrong, I'm very excited to see this movie, particularly because of Noomi Rapace's involvement. But sometimes I question Scott's motives.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:02 p.m. CST

    the xenomorpths natural form looks exactly like...

    by lostboytexas

    a giant prick! They molded that bald Lost pricks head just for the tip. genius!!!

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:05 p.m. CST

    I had the Gorilla Alien toy as a kid too

    by D.Vader

    But the very first Alien toy I ever got was the Bull Alien from the same series. On the back of the board, it had a picture of an alien from "Aliens", but it had bull horns on it, and for a second I thought I must have missed the bull alien all those times I saw the movie. But upon closer inspection, I realized the horns were fake, put on through some manual photo manipulation to convince us kids there WERE bull aliens in the movies! I also got the Snake Alien, the Flying Queen, and my brother had the regular Queen. Best part was, every figure came with a different colored face-hugger that perfectly fit every other action figure you had- GI Joes, Ninja Turtles, you name it. That made for some fun playtime.

  • seeing as the Aliens hardly feature, the title was changed. The story includes Space Jockeys, terraforming and how the Space Jockey pilot ended up derelict on LV426. The actors that have already been cast would fit easily into certain roles in that script. I imagine the 'gay sex under mind control' aspect has been removed though.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Haha I had all those Alien toys as well

    by _Venkman

    Good times

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Confession

    by D.Vader

    I never owned GI JOES, or if I did, it was like 1 or 2 figures. I honestly don't remember having any. I wasn't a fan of that kind of toy either. I preferred the Ninja Turtle style of action figure. GI Joes didn't seem to stand up too well.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Giant bio-engineered head?

    by D.Vader

    Are we talking MODOK here or the Face of Bo?

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Shit yea I remember seeing the Bull and Scorpion one's

    by UGG

    Also I'm sure remember they Space Jockey hybrid appearing in one of the comics, but I can't remember what it looked like.

  • The "Dog Alien" from A3 was definitely the tip-off. And it's starting to sound like the xenomorphs and the terra-forming may be related...which could be how the stage for the DNA link is set.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST

    If I could time travel, I'd plant a xenomorph in a T-rex...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...or maybe a saber tooth tiger.

  • yea, not that good really.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    I've seen one of the comics with the Space Jockey

    by D.Vader

    He looked like some weird space elephant. Never saw the alien that came out of him. I was just flipping through one of the omnibuses and found the illustrations.

  • And is it affected by kryptonite? I blew off all those AvP movies.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    AlienBearPig

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Make it happen.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Yes Flicka, we do.

    by D.Vader

    Now go on and fling your poo.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Alien + honey badger + TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    I just want an Alien to gestate inside of an android.

    by Mitch

    I don't know if it would look any different but the chestbursting scene would be cool...

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST

    So then, the first Alien would NOT be bio-mechanical

    by D.Vader

    It only looks bio-mechanical because the Space Jockey was bio-mechanical.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Here's the Space Jockey from the comic I saw

    by D.Vader

    http://images.wikia.com/aliens/images/0/0a/Space_Jockey.jpg

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST

    I like it, but aren't we almost in THE THING territory?

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST

    D.Vader, the Space Jockey is Cthulhu?

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST

    "Remember how the alien took on canine qualities after gestating in a dog?"

    by AlfordHitchcoke

    Um...no? Are we talking about Alien or The Thing?

  • if worse comes to worse it is.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Wait, I read there's a Space Jockey skull in Predator 2?

    by D.Vader

    In the trophy room? I don't recall ever seeing that. Anyone care to comment?

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST

    You have to feel sorry for Ripley through the whole saga...

    by connor187

    She wouldn't (correctly) allow Dallas and the others to board the Nostromo after Kane's little accident. She was sticking to protocol and she was doing the right thing, that was until that slimy, artificial, ulterior motive working, company mother fucker Ash! opened the dam door!...... Didn't hear the poor cow say, I told you so over 4 fuckin films either!

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST

    I Disagree Nordling

    by Jason B. Swaim

    I might have to rewatch Alien again, but if memory serves, the Nostromo was "woken up" due to receiving the distress signal. Their orders were to investigate. It was not until after the discovery that Ash's orders were changed. Correct me if I am wrong, sir, but I do not think the Company knew about the Alien originally.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    if there are spacejockeys there has to be

    by vulturess

    spaceballs!!!!!!!

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Alien GiantSquid is Cthulhu

    by UGG

    I like the honeybadger one that would be one fucked up animal.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Outland

    by Travis_Crabtree

    I always liked to imagine the movie, Outland took place in the Alien Universe.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Never mind, its in AvP:R, not Predator 2

    by D.Vader

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST

    I still want my Prometheus & Bob movie (nt)

    by Triple_J_72

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST

    @nordling

    by Valaquen

    According to Ridley Scott, The Company DIDN'T know about the Alien on the planetoid: 'I think any corporation that sends probes into unknown territory is going to think of the possibility of finding something new. I'm sure that the crew members on all its ships would have been briefed to bring back anything of interest. It would be part of one's job to bring it back. An alien, of course, would be of top priority. This particular corporation didn't have a preconceived notion that an alien would be found on this mission, much less the particular alien that is brought onto the ship. The idea of bringing it back alive would not have been on the minds of the corporate executives when they first received the alien transmission. They just had high expectations when they ordered the Nostromo to investigate - it was purely out of curiousity.' From, I believe, an 1984 interview with Danny Peary, sourced from a book called Interviews with Ridley Scott. And yeah, Giger's involved with Prometheus: "Ridley Scott and I met in London to discuss the details of the project" confirms Giger. "It was a warm reunion after such a long time. It's going to be huge. I can not tell what I'm doing exactly" http://www.alienprequelnews.com/2011/02/hr-giger-its-going-to-be-huge.html

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST

    But man will always be the greatest MONSTER!

    by UGG

    I just hope they don't hammer that shit on to us. Yea humanity's selfish we know. Just fuck our mind's Ridley.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Yourahole...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...you see him in the wrecked ship they investigate when they first find the eggs.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    The Space Jockey IS Cthuhlu

    by D.Vader

    It ALL makes sense now... *brain explodes*

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Alien Harvest

    by HughHoyland

    I recently read the Alien Harvest script and it kinda has this theme in it as well. The aliens start off as incect like creatures (Ants). Then they kill a cat and become catlike. Finally assuming human DNA and morph into the humanoid we're more familier with.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST

    mattman I liked Alien 3 but....

    by connor187

    you raise a good point right there.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:41 p.m. CST

    ugg

    by Aquanaut

    the marines joked on board the sulaco about their encounters with other aliens. the archurians (sp?) were specifically mentioned. one of the male marines had inadvertantly had sex with a male of that species. "It doesn't matter when it's archurian, baby!"

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    I always assumed Facehuggers can have TWO seeds

    by D.Vader

    One is a drone and one is a queen; that way the drone can take care of its queen as she grows. Also not to nitpick, but Ripley asks "Was there AN Alien on board?" She does NOT utter the word "one". And I seem to remember the prisoners finding a dead facehugger when they found Ripley? Or am I thinking of some sort of wreckage.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Call for Don!!!

    by MegaBaz

    I reckon Ridley will tie this in to Numb3rs, and it will turn out that a rogue equation by Charlie and Amita is responsible for everything...

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST

    I only acknowledge ALIEN and ALIENS...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I actively disliked 3, and thought 4 was a pretty groovy SF flick...but not an ALIENS movie.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Sounds like a prequel to The Thing.

    by Flip63Hole

    Could be better than the one they're working on now, though anything with Mary Weinstead is worth watching for her.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Archurians

    by D.Vader

    I assumed they were some new planet of colonized humans and the whole place was some sexxed up, hedonistic Vegas with futuristic she-males and whatnot that give great sex no matter the gender.

  • I'd go see it

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:47 p.m. CST

    @ mattman

    by Valaquen

    Shameless plug, but you might be interested in this: http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011/01/alien-3-critical-look.html

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST

    aquanaut

    by UGG

    aah yea thank's for reminding me. But I think I assumed that they were colonists with some space crabs based STD or something. Is it in Alien then were there is a line someone say's like "over 97 planet's and still not one sign of Alien life found" or another movie all together, I'm sure I recall that line from somewhere.

  • The Alien taking on characteristics of it's host was NOT part of the original idea, as far as I can tell. I have been a HUGE fan of the original ALIEN since my dad let me watch it as a kid (probably not such a great idea in hindsight, it horrified me), and nothing I have ever read suggests that was part of the idea. I think ALIEN3 added it for whatever reason. I am not saying that it's a bad idea, I just don't think it adds anything to the story.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST

    The thing is, Dallas should of fucking known better!

    by connor187

    I mean he was the captain of the ship for fucks sake! He new the protocol, he knew Kane had this parasite on his face but he ordered Ripley to open the hatch....He's as much to blame as Ash as far as I am concerned.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 does not exist in this dojo

    by DVaderRIP

    Hicks, Newt, and Ripley are all living happy lives together as a family on earth. Alien 3 never happened. Anyway, we're going to need boobs in this one I'm afraid. Not "Lifeforce" style ultra-boobage, but we'll need boobs in some shape or form. That is the one thing that the Alien franchise has never really given us - shapely, firm, lightly jiggling tits.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Alien taking the shape of its host

    by Valaquen

    has been mentioned by Ridley going back to 1979.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 and 4 were horrendous. Absolutely awful.

    by SmokingRobot

    We've got nowhere to go but up here.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST

    valaquen: source?

    by Ironhelix

    as a pretty big fan, I would like to know this. Also, on the subject of the "Space Jockey": It's pretty clear when watching the movie that the space jockey is actually part of the ship. I always assumed it was some sort of bio-engineered spaceship, with a built in pilot. Dallas even mentions that it looks like it's "grown out of the chair".

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 4 p.m. CST

    @ ironhelix

    by Valaquen

    Ridley talks about it in the book, Interviews with Ridley Scott. Ron Shusset also said, paraphrased "if it came out of the cat, it'd be like the cat. The changing shapes would enable it to defeat the problems of ther monster movies, it'd never be the same." I wrote an article on the original monster, and the Ridley/Shusset quote may be in there: http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011/01/crafting-perfect-organism.html

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    So how much dick is this site taking...

    by mattforce7

    For DRIVE ANGRY IN 3D to be busting a NUT all over my screen?????

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    I feel like Scott totally owned the suits with this...

    by Andrew Coleman

    Fox suits realized the AVP movies were fucking horrible and have dropped that franchise. So they hire the man who started it all. Now instead of making some by the number prequel he's taking this thing in crazy directions. I love it. Oh yeah Alien 3 was a huge waste in talent and potential. Alien 4 is a comic book that if half comedy.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 4:07 p.m. CST

    I don't mind Ressurection

    by UGG

    It has it's moment's. I also like Jeunet's look he gave it. And I've said it before so I'll admit it again. I don't mind the Newborn. It creeped me out more than the normal Alien's did, which I actually think are beautiful creature's really. I think it was it's human trait's. And it's screaming at the end was chilling, I'm sure it was screaming "mommy" The story just wasn't as good as it could and should have been.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Bleh, that poor Newborn

    by D.Vader

    What a terrible way to go, and right in front of your mom too. Giving it eyes was such a good decisions because it made it all the more sympathetic and horrifying.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    The facehugger got in the same way it got Kane

    by D.Vader

    It melted through the glass.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Ripley still gave Newt an autopsy...

    by D.Vader

    Not to see if there was a live alien inside, but to see if there was an alien AT ALL, because the presence of such could mean there are more and now they're in the prison. Plus, I think you're overestimating how much leeway/freedom they were willing to give her at the beginning of the movie there, Mattman.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 4:23 p.m. CST

    I didn't hate Alien 3

    by Acappellaman

    The aliens are smart enough to move a couple of the eggs onto a ship they know could likely be used by the humans to escape with. In fact, I think they COUNT on stuff like that to happen to encourage expansion of the species. Plants and insects do that kind of stuff all the freaking time, why can't the aliens? The queen clearly did not lay the egg(s) there, but she surely could have instructed a drone to place them. Think about it. The onyl thing I have to agree with is that the ship would have been scanned before they left, and the eggs should have been detected. Maybe a small ship like that wouldn't have that technology, though? Who knows...

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Did they crash in water?

    by D.Vader

    I was replying mainly to Turd who wondered how the facehugger got in Ripley's tube. I thought I remembered them saying Newt drowned "in her own fluids", whatever that means.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Also Sigourney getting the ball in the basket.

    by UGG

    When I found out that was real I think I forgave the movie a little.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST

    I've never seen the Alien3 workprint or director's cut

    by D.Vader

    So I've got no clue about that stuff. I just remember the Alien3 novelization had an Alien burst from the ox.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Actually yeah, the Facehugger IS giving oxygen, MattMan

    by D.Vader

    Ash or Dallas says as much in Alien, right? It keeps the host alive during impregnation and also provides oxygen, so it would make sense that it kept Ripley alive during the submersion. Though I always though Newt drowned in her own fluids (some website suggested the crack in her tube causes the gases to liquify) or that a result of the fire extinguishers caused her tube to build with water but not Ripley's. Or, again, Ripley was protected by the hugger.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Sounds like a casualty of bad editing

    by D.Vader

    As the workprint, from my readings, has Ripley washing up onshore?

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 4:34 p.m. CST

    What kind of escape pod...

    by D.Vader

    Doesn't insure that it won't disintegrate on impact?

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 4:37 p.m. CST

    The only answers I can supply for that one are...

    by D.Vader

    - My theory that a facehugger with a queen also has a drone who then takes care of the queen. - Ripley asked if there was an alien, Bishop replies yes. He's not lying. He knows because, what, the motion sensors picked it up? But that's all he knows- movement. He might not know there was more than one. She asked was there any? He says YES. - Why didn't they scan? If the technology exists (bc wouldn't they also scan for the Queen and make sure it hadn't hijacked at the end of Aliens?) for that ship, then yes they're just dumb. But now that brings Aliens into question too.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST

    deleting alien 3 & resurrection....

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    "If I look at Alien 3 as a "What if" elseworlds tale or a nightmare that Ripley is having during her cryosleep in Aliens, then I can sort of enjoy it." ^^^^ I thought of another manner they could do away with those 2 flicks and make a true sequel to Aliens. (in the past I've mentioned a Start Trek-ish wormhole that created a clone of Ripley and co. and maybe we just saw that version of the story) BUT - another alternative is to just say the events of Alien 3 & 4 were dream-like psychological studies taking place in Ripley's mind...The corp. could be doing it since shes been in a coma since the end of aliens. However we could see her awaken, eventually be reunited with an older retired Hicks and Newt....and for some reason go off to fight the aliens one last time.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Ridley Scott doing sci-fi = Sweet Music to my ears

    by Se7en

    Don't care if the xenomorph appears or not.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Hey, travis_crabtree...

    by catlettuce4

    I always thought the same thing about Outland being like part of the Alien universe.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    IN SPACE NOBODY CAN

    by KilliK

    watch your stupid,money grabbing remakes.

  • ...and I still think it would have been a cool non-ALIENS flick.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST

    will it still be a monster movie? no alien creature = no kills

    by Andy Pandy

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    ETs in Aliens

    by Riceball

    @Ugg I think you're getting confused, what they said in Aliens that they've never once encountered a life form like what Ripley was describing to W/Y people. Later on the Marines mention Arcturian poontang, the Lt mentions xenomorphs which, along with the bug hunt comment, suggests that they've encountered other ETs before and bug like ones at that too.

  • so much better given the conceptual elements they had to work with. Ripley stranded in a futuristic prison with the alien running loose had a lot more potential than what they did with it. Instead of a dreary prison planet, they could have set it on a rusty old asteroid or space station that happened to be a prison. Instead of a bunch of unlikeable pissed off bald British wankers they could have had a racially diverse cast (keep Charles S. Dutton though, he rocked that part), which would make sense since the alien universe seemed to imply that society was spread out among the stars in a pretty big way. It probably wouldn't just be American and British colonists out there. I mean, the company is Weyland-Yutani for Christ-sake. Hasn't the Yutani part always stood for the Japanese half of the conglomerate? Instead of an old prison warden character, why not have some sort of AI that runs the place? Maybe it is just called The Warden, and would be sorta like Mother in Alien, and Father in Resurrection. Think of the possibilities. Instead of a Burke traitor character, the Warden AI could be the one that tries to ensure that an alien specimen is preserved for when the company's cronies arrive. After all, a computer would just be following orders. It's nothing personal. If they wanted to personify the AI, have it so that it has an android body it can use to converse with the inmates and guards. As for the bald prisoners, maybe the Warden AI requires the prisoners to shave their heads so the prison's sensors can read the bar codes on the back of their heads more easily. It the third film were set on a large asteroid, they could still keep the idea of the prisoners being put there to do hard labor in the form of mining. Hell, they could have had it set in an asteroid in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. Or, how about a prison mining colony on a comet in the Oort Cloud? Either choice would put things much closer to Earth than Fury 161. Which begs the question, how did the company ship get to Fury 161 so fast? In Aliens, it seemed that the Sulaco took a while to get to the colony. Something like 2 weeks if I remember correctly. Also, setting it on an asteroid/comet colony could mean that there would be the opportunity to have some exterior zero gravity alien encounters. That could be amazing. No gravity. No sound. Aliens floating towards Ripley. She fires her pulse rifle. It propels her backwards. More aliens behind her... globules of acid blood from the ones she has just shot slowly fan out, moving closer to her... ... IN SPACE NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU SCREAM Once the alien or aliens break out, the AI locks the place down. No ships can come or go. The guards have guns, but then of course the prisoners would use the chaos of attacking aliens to overpower them and escape their cells. Total pandemonium. Guards and inmates are getting killed or captured by aliens. Ripley would then have to get them to band together if any of them want to survive. I mean, at least they could have let Ripley have one more epic pulse rifle battle against an alien horde before she jumps into a giant furnace to kill the queen growing inside her. Same with Hicks. If they had kept him in the film, he could have sacrificed himself similar to the way Gorman and Vasquez did in the air duct in Aliens. It would have at least given the Hicks a noble ending. As for Newt, with a little thought for the franchise's future, they could have just had it so that when the escape pod crashes or is salvaged by the prison colony, Newt's cryotube is still functional. Ripley then decides to keep her in stasis until they are rescued and reach Earth or Gateway station. Of course that never happens, and Ripley has to die to prevent the company's bio-weapons division from capturing a queen alien. This would leave Newt, once the character is older, to take up the mantle as the heroine of the Alien saga. Doing this approach would have given the film much more tension, more thrills, and more sci-fi elements like the first two Alien films had. Not only that, it would have been a perfect lead in to Earth War for a fourth film instead of Resurrection. As for the egg hiding in the dropship's landing gear, you got me. That was a huge plot hole. I just don't buy Ripley not checking to see if the queen left something. Not after all that she went through in Aliens. Bottom line though, if the third film had been a lot better than what we ultimately got, I think fans might not be as harsh about the magical mystery egg.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 exists in this dojo

    by Koborover

    So some eggs were aboard the Sulaco without proper explanation, it never really bothered me. For me the movie is a fitting end to Ripley's story, it's dark and personal. I liked Hicks and Newt a great deal, but because we see Ripley deal with their deaths (no matter how off-screen) in some great scenes it all became meaningful to me. Weaver excels and I think Clemens and Dillon are great characters, plus I cared for minor guys like Aaron and Morse. Alien 3 is not perfect but to me it never felt out of tune with Alien and Aliens.

  • I'm going to try and catch it and will keep an ear out.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 5:09 p.m. CST

    You didn't go Asimov, MattMan

    by D.Vader

    You made good points without insulting anyone who likes Alien3, and you were willing to concede that you may have been mistaken about certain points without acting like you're the lone arbiter of movie taste =).

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 5:10 p.m. CST

    The "bughunts"...

    by D.Vader

    I think were James Cameron's way of referencing Starship Troopers and that they might exist in the same universe. I think he's said as much.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 5:10 p.m. CST

    "bug hunt" reference in Aliens

    by awardgiver

    Obviously at the time was a reference to Heinlein's Starship Troopers. I like to think its set in that universe.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 5:11 p.m. CST

    wow the space jockeys must be fiddling with you two

    by UGG

    talk about psycic.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Actually my only complaint with A2 was how the hell didnt

    by KilliK

    they notice the Queen in the dropship during their space flight back to the Sulaco after the nuclear explosion. You have the Queen which is trapped unintentionally in a very confined space,she is an animal and like all animals she hisses a lot when she gets angry and you have also a bunch of people in the same small dropship which calm down while traveling through the quietness of space,and you tell me that noone heard any strange noise coming from the dropship or that there wasnt even any strange noise at all? what happened,did the Queen suddenly switched to stealth mode and waited sillently to attack her preys instead of making noises and hissing while trying very angrily and recklessly to escape from her trapped confined space? i understand that the aliens are very much but the Queen hiding so much silently in the dropship,which is a very small spaceship, that nobody heard her is too much even for my own suspension of disbelief.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 5:19 p.m. CST

    turd: same here with Alien Resurrection

    by lv_426

    I remember going to see Men In Black in the summer of 1997 (good God, typing that made me feel really old). Before MIB started, a trailer began with a bleak starfield. An eerie choral rendition of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star echoed out against the darkness. I started thinking, "hey, this looks interesting" as a big industrial looking starship moved into frame. Then it cut to a couple of soldiers standing by a futuristic looking tube. The outer layer of the tube opens up, revealing a young bald naked girl floating serenely in fluid inside the tube. I started to get the feeling the bald chick looked like a young Sigourney Weaver. Then the girl morphed into an older version of herself.. and by God it was bald Sigourney Weaver. "HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!! Is this an Alien movie?" was the first thought I had. And a few seconds later, I knew I was right. They then showed atmospheric hallyways, dudes with futuristic guns fighting multiple Aliens. I nearly shit myself I was so excited. Back then, there wasn't as much news about films so long before you'd see a trailer, and I had no idea that there was gonna be a fourth Alien film. Of course, we all know that while the trailer was awesome, who could have foreseen what a piece of junk Resurrection would end up to be? I think the only thing sequels more or equally disappointing to me were Batman Returns. Batman Forever, Batman and Robin, and Indy 4.

  • anal bang-raped Ripley as they intended too.FACT.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 5:25 p.m. CST

    No one -- not even Ridley -- knows WTF he's doing.

    by kabong

    MUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Killik

    by D.Vader

    The Queen wasn't "trapped". She is intelligent and very obviously snuck onboard.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Wow Ugg

    by D.Vader

    Its a simupost AND a simuthought.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 5:57 p.m. CST

    So is this going to be the origin of the Aliens?

    by SithMenace

    Like the space jockey race bio-engineered them? If they engineered them as a weapon for a war they were fighting, and the space jockey was on a top secret mission to deliver them to the front lines when they took over his ship, that would be kind of cool and tie directly into the first film.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 5:58 p.m. CST

    So, was Alien Harvest actually REAL then?

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    Gee, I hope not. It's one of the worst scripts I have read. Like somebody wrote fan fiction after drinking mass quantities of bleach. It contained these weird Xenomorphs who were like little ants. That sounds similar to what is said here. Why couldn't you just do something original, Ridley?

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 6 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Alien 3 IS misunderstood

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    Yes, it's heavily flawed but if you can't appreciate anything about it (stunning cinematography, score, production) then you are truly a lost soul.

  • I don't know who approved the Drive Crazy ad that takes over the screen, but I won't be coming here much longer if that becomes a regular thing. They're annoying, insulting, and they tend to make me more angry at the website I'm trying to visit than the ad company or the content.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 6:08 p.m. CST

    I still like RESURRECTION

    by blackwood

    and 3. But especially RESURRECTION. It's just so gross. I love Jeunet, but I don't think he was the right fit for the material. He went far too camp with most of it. Exceptions are the scene where Ripley meets her monster clones, and the Newborn birth/death. I also really liked the Newborn. I was unsettling. What hurts most about RESURRECTION is how much you can see the director fighting with the material. I read the script ages ago, and it genuinely kicked ass. Shame. As for PROMETHEUS, I didn't read the story. Nordling is over-reporting this, big-time. But I enjoy reading people talk about the franchise cause it's still awesome.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 6:09 p.m. CST

    But I COMPLETELY agree about the egg stuff

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    Just a lazy cheat. It was impossible for that egg to be there. The only place it could have been was the landing gear, and even then nobody went near it after the Queen died, so it would never have awakened.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST

    I love that we don't know anything.

    by David Cloverfield

    They should hire an agency to flood the net with insane rumours. It could be the first production to handle the internet correctly. This could be the first blockbuster movie to really blow our minds with the unexpected in a decade - thanks to fake snapshots, designs and footage. If's costly, but it can be done.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 6:11 p.m. CST

    LMAO ....Now I finally get all this Choppa shit...

    by blackflowerX

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ireph2h_pdg&NR=1

  • I'm hoping it's still in and it's between Charlize Theron and Noomi Rapace...

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Or...

    by blackflowerX

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPIO86jTrQQ&NR=1

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Also: for all the shit we talk about Alien 4

    by David Cloverfield

    It's still full of iconic images hardwired into our minds. Like the room full of failed Ripley clones or the legless guy strapped on the back of another guy. Yeah, the movie is bad, but it's not that bad. Hell, by 2011 standards it's a pretty bitchin's sci-fi movie.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    david cloverfield

    by blackflowerX

    Totally agree...Which says it all about 2011 .

  • and she couldnt even if she wasnt too because the ship was already on the air. what happened was that Bishop lost the control of the ship for a moment because of an explosion,the launch pad of the ship crashed on the platform and it grabbed a bunch of scrapped metal along with the Queen which then was trapped inside the dropship when the pad was retracted inside the ship. thats pretty obvious in the film,unless you insist that the Queen saw the pad coming towards the platform and decided to grab on it and sneak her way inside the ship after retracting back.which makes the whole thing seem a bit ridiculous even for a very smart alien like the Queen.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Space Jockey

    by antmanx68

    I'm guessing that the Xenomorph in question is the one who popped out of the "space jockey" as seen in Alien. Maybe the space jockeys were terraforming that planet when the xeno's got to them and this tells the backstory.

  • same here.i always thought that ASH was the no-questions-asked-until-job-done robot guy which the Company used to ensure that their interests will always be protected in any way possible during all the space flight of all their spaceships. every ship would have an ASH which would be acting as a real person without the knowledge of the rest of the crew,and that ASH would always follow to the end the orders of the company,orders which were either pre-programmed to him before the flight or came during mid-flight.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 6:43 p.m. CST

    I'll be calling it Pissmetheus

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    And wiping my arse with the Photoshopped poster.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 7:02 p.m. CST

    @cocknasty_buttstank

    by Valaquen

    None of the original ALIEN scripts tell us anything about the Space Jockey, but Ridley has said since the 80's that they're terraformers who use the Alien eggs to clear out planets. Both creatures are biomechanical so there's a connection there. I guess we'll find out in Prometheus.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 7:05 p.m. CST

    So, no face fucking by the facehuggers??

    by Mike_D

  • who also designed the power-loaders which explains why Ripley is so good operating them. that Hicks' father was also a military officer who was sent secretly to LV to find the eggs but his team was vanished there whcih made kid Hicks very sad and decided to become a soldier to hunt bugs.it also forces the company to send the Nostromo to see what really happened in LV. that Van Lewen is also an android and it is the one who gave the orders to ASH about the alien eggs in LV in ALIEN1 but in Aliens2 he does all this performance so that he can make Ripley seem as lunatic thus protecting the secret of the company. he is also the one who says to Burke to give the order to the colony to go the unexplored region. thats a total mindfuck. Nostromo and Sulako were manufactured in a secret starbase together.later that starbase became known to the public and rename to Gateway space station. Frost was Parker's nephew.that explains why both were whinning for not getting paid enough for their jobs.it runs in the family. George Lucas congratulates Ridley for showing to the fanboys that this is the only and best way of doing prequels.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 7:20 p.m. CST

    More Alien 3 stupidity

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Intergalactic Battleship taken out by an electrical fire (what, no halon in the future?). Escape pods now improved to crash at first available planet instead of float around for decades. A planet covered with lice that makes everybody shave their heads. What about the dog? Planet also full of converted convicts who receive supplies at whatever huge cost because "they found God" and apparently make cool nic-nacs out of metal. Wonder who in the Company approved that endevour. Hey boy, what are you barking at huh? Is that a squid on your head? Alien now eats people like every other movie monster instead of the creepier host plot. Hmmm... maybe Alien shouldn't kill all the potential hosts with a queen on the way. Hey, I found the queen! Maybe I should coccon her up so she doesn't fall in any vats of molten metal. Alien cam Spaceships can now cross huge distances in a day. Bishop to the rescue (faster than Jack Bauer in LA traffic)! Aliens now are improved not be crushed by tons of molten metal so that they can jump out dramatically like Jason. They always get up. There goes Ripley. Well, at least the cat survived all three movies.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 7:23 p.m. CST

    RHINO ALIEN :

    by PRESIDENT BALTAR

    http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Rhino_Alien

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 7:50 p.m. CST

    ugg

    by phifty2

    ordered the Tokyo Flash RPM, black with green LED. Thanks for the rec in the other Prometheus topic. I ordered it Monday afternoon and it arrived Wednesday morning. Awesome watch.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 8:30 p.m. CST

    I would like it to be

    by Keith

    A genuine science fiction film, perhaps about first contact with an unknown alien intelligence.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 8:41 p.m. CST

    The best theoretical analysis of the start of Alien 3

    by Keith

    It's a total horseshit retcon. It doesn't make sense, but they took the laziest narrative route possible to keep the series going and junked any notion of logic or continuity.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Killik, whaaaaaaat? The Queen was trapped?

    by D.Vader

    Hmmm, let's see. Yeah I remember the debris crashing around... I vaguely remember them taking off dragging some with them... But it all falls off; they're not still dragging debris with them when they fly away. No, my interpretation has ALWAYS been that the Queen jumped onto the dropship when shit was crashing all around her. I don't see any evidence for her being trapped. She seemed pretty calm and collected and ready for an ambush when she finally surprises the crew.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 8:58 p.m. CST

    mr ahole ramirez

    by Keith

    Watch "Alien" immediately. Drop all other plans. Even 32 years on, it is still a fucking amazing piece of work. It looks, sounds and works better than 99% of movies released today.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 9:05 p.m. CST

    One thing often overlooked in "Aliens"

    by Keith

    The biomechanical growth that Cameron chose to have lining the walls of the aliens' underground lair...if you ignore the cut Dallas catacombing scene from "Alien", there is absolutely nothing that links that environment with the xenomorph in the first movie. On the contrary, that design is the one we see in the space jockey's ship, i.e. suggestive that it was designed or grown by the space jockeys, not the xenomorph aliens. Our mind just kind of accepts in "Aliens" that this look is associated with the warriors/queens aliens, and we kind of mistakenly remember this having continuity with the original, as though this were asserted before, but it wasn't. Cameron is the first to link these environments with the xenomorphs themselves, suggesting a much more fundamental link with the space jockeys. Cameron also changed the design of the aliens themselves to adapt the ridged look of the space jockey's ship, further establishing this link. Of course, one can argue that everything has a consistent look that comes from Giger, but this is a meta-level analysis, i.e. not from within the movie itself.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Prometheus is VAPORWARE

    by j_difool

    just you wait. it'll be a joke on all you obsessive fanboy types. BTW - Ridley Scott broke the trust with such films as GI Jane, Gladiator and A Good Year.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Ridley Scott's last genuinely good film

    by Keith

    Blade Runner.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Vader...

    by jay2517

    what killik is also forgetting is the scene where ripley actually escapes the Queen by getting on the elevator. she pushed 2 buttons and got on the first on down. the queen was essentially trapped until the other elevator landed. she even directly looked at the other elevator like she was figuring out how it worked. when i saw that scene the first time i was ooohhh shit lol.....

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Turd

    by Keith

    "He's a brilliant guy, but he is not the type to rationally think out and develop the worlds he creates, except in retrospect. All the stuff he says about Deckard in Blade Runner is just retro-active bullshit after the fact. He is primarily a visual artist, and not the type to think out his themes on an intellectual level like a Kubrick" I agree 100%.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Matalo

    by Keith

    "It was not until after the discovery that Ash's orders were changed. Correct me if I am wrong, sir, but I do not think the Company knew about the Alien originally." Ash is clearly working from the outset to try to collect and return a sample, even before any direct contact. When Ripley advises him that the partially-decoded signal looks like a warning (not a distress signal), Ash immediately suppresses the importance of that discovery by insisting that nothing of use can be done to help Dallas and co. Also, remember that Mother's databank contains the following description of Special Order 937: "Nostromo Rerouted To New Coordinates. Investigate Life Form. Gather Specimen. Priority One. Insure Return Of Organism For Analysis. All Other Considerations Secondary. Crew Expendable." They already know there's a life form there. Whether or not this is known even prior to encountering the signal is open to speculation. Of course, there is the non-trivial fact that Ash was a late replacement for the Nostromo's usual science officer, suggesting strongly that he was placed aboard by a Company that already knew (or suspected) that the alien was on LV-426 and was sending the Nostromo there specifically as an expendable collection operation.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 10:44 p.m. CST

    I can't believe you guys haven't read the script yet

    by Jaster

    It's online, just look for it. I have it but only read about the first 30 pages because I want to be surprised by it. At the point I left off the xenomorphs are in their original form. What seemed like about 6" long termites that were genetically created by the navigator guys to dig tunnels for their teraformed planets. There are two humans who have been abducted and work as farmers/general labor. They come upon the termites while tryin g to repair something in one of the tunnels if I remember correctly. I read the thing like 2 years ago. It's been around a long time. The navigator guys are like silent overseers who manipulate the humans telepathically. They keep the humans calm and unrebelious. they also "alter" them in a way most will find shocking but I won't give it away. What I read doesn't feel like an Alien film at all in story, but definitely circles it in tone. It reminded me a lot of Renee LeLoux's Fantastic Planet. I think it's going to be a really great film most Alien fans will hate because it's nothing like an Alien film. Assumedly that's why they started changing that perception now.

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 11 p.m. CST

    yea steppy...i lurk in other tb's...

    by jay2517

    this tb does kinda have a "Lost" kinda mood going on with the different theories going on...

  • Feb. 24, 2011, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Just make it GOOD and fucking CREEPY like the orig film

    by quantize

    nothing else matters

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 12:27 a.m. CST

    I love Alien Resurrection...and fuck everyone of you

    by quantize

    ok so the hybrid is fucking silly...but the rest is cool as shit and you can kiss my ass you snobby bitches.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 12:31 a.m. CST

    As long as Scott doesn't do the writing

    by Teddy Artery

    this should turn out OK. With Orci involved it has a chance of not turning out like a straight-to-DVD failure.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Hated Alien 3

    by proevad

    on release. Recently watched the assembly cut, it's actually a good film the first half--then it turns into "which bald british guy was that again?" Alien 4 was so bad, I got through about half of it and never finished watching it. This coming from a Fincher/Whedon freak.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 12:37 a.m. CST

    by PRESIDENT BALTAR

    There are two stories at play in Alien Harvest. On an alien world outside of human exploration, two human men are living among the elephantine race we call Space Jockeys. Here they are referred to as "growers" as they are terraforming the world the men find themselves on. Using a second mule-like alien race, the growers/Space Jockeys are cultivating wheat-like plants. The two men, the experienced Fin and newcomer Karik, were each rescued from deep space by the growers and are now assisting in the farming of the wheat. Among them is a cat called Oleo, another survivor. The growers don't communicate much to the humans except for gut feelings delivered by what the men think is a weak psychic link, thus Fin has to explain what he thinks is going on to Karik. In another corner of the area is a hive where the Giger Aliens live -- except they're the size of three-inch insects in this place, with four to six legs. Fin thinks that the growers use the "ant-aliens" as part of their terraforming. Small leathery alien eggs are within the ant-alien's hive, but the facehuggers contained in them are too small to harm the humans -- but not Oleo the cat. The second storyline concerns a human spaceship called the Arrowhead in deep space. They are under orders from the Complex, hinted at being a rival faction to the Company from the Alien movies, to protect certain regions of space from interlopers. Upon detecting a strange vessel, the Arrowhead gives chase and pursues the alien vessel -- the future derelict craft from Alien -- to the same solar system that the Nostromo went to, LV-426. I don't have to get into further details or what happens that sets the stage for Alien; the info is out there if you want to search for it. Upon first reading the Alien Harvest script I was immediately struck by how strange it was. Even though I didn't have much of a shaped idea as to what the prequel's direction could be, it was not the kind of Alien prequel storyline that I had been expecting. For starters, there were really unusual ideas in it, even for a supposed fanboy creation. Let's begin with the miniature ant-aliens. Would anyone out there have figured that the new version of the Alien would be a diminunative, bug-sized version? Then there's the two separate storylines which, while they set up what we see in Alien, never intersect in Alien Harvest. And for an Alien movie there's very little horror in the plot; in fact, no one is killed by an Alien during the course of the script. It's really more of a drama that takes place in outer space and on an unusual planet.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 12:38 a.m. CST

    This talkback is AICN at its best!

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    Finally we're getting a new, real ALIEN movie!

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 1:02 a.m. CST

    phifty2 Cheers dude. They are great watches

    by UGG

    glad someone noticed it. They are way more futuristic than the one's in the article.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 2:07 a.m. CST

    Awsome to see some really great discussions goin

    by southafricanguy

    g on here without much trolling. Makes a nice change. Hey Turd, braindrain, LV, Dvader et al...hows it going guys? I really hope this turns out awsome, but I am worried about it being a prequal (can anyone actually name a good prequal), and Scotts recent track record of so-so films. Oh, and Lindelof being involved in the writing does nt help. I really hope Scott has another resurgance ala Gladiator and BHD in the early 2000s.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 2:08 a.m. CST

    Im just really tired of hating Alien movies.............

    by southafricanguy

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 2:11 a.m. CST

    so I would really love to have an awsome one

    by southafricanguy

    again. For me there is only Alien and Aliens. Everything after has been a fucking disgrace towards those two classics, and not worht my time at all......

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Mattman

    by Keith

    I've always thought Gladiator was very overrated. It felt like it was going to be good until about halfway through, when it descended into cliche and mediocrity. Also, the action scenes in that movie frequently border on the incoherent. Too many rapid cuts and extreme close-ups: lots of energy, but fuck knows what's happening. Slightly lazy action film-making. And the end is rubbish. I must admit I've never seen Kingdom of Heaven. I saw the so-so reviews and didn't bother at the cinema. But I have heard a number of people saying the director's cut is decent, so I have it on my netflix blu-ray list.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 3:27 a.m. CST

    It's sad we can't just get the Alien film we all want

    by SithMenace

    There hasn't been a good "Aliens" film in 25 years. Cameron came the closest, and it seems like Scott is gonna blow it. I don't think anyone will be able to expand and grow the mythology the way Cameron did.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Proud to announce

    by Edward green

    The fact that I do not care.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 4:40 a.m. CST

    I Liked the Comment About Blade Runner..

    by Autodidact

    .. being a true prequel to Alien. With the focus on AI and the state of the world it's totally plausible.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 5:02 a.m. CST

    SouthAfricanGuy and Jay- nice to see you two

    by D.Vader

    Welcome to the party, Pals!

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 5:02 a.m. CST

    "I could use a hot chick right about now."- BrainDrain

    by D.Vader

    Couldn't we all.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 6:15 a.m. CST

    It's not a prequel to alien anymore

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    It's a stand alone film. The aliens in Prometheus were always going to be something different from the Alien. Scott said he wanted something new. Now the project has taken on a life of its own and is no longer being considered a prequel.

  • This great sense of mystery about it. It's just great.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Alienstien :A modern Prometheus?

    by oldnik

    Having read all these "supposedly" leaked scripts, Alien Harvest, Prometheus, Shadow 19, I've been left thinking that these were all quickly knocked up scripts "leaked" to throw us all off the scent. Alien Harvest was completely underwhelming, while Shadow 19 was quite enjoyable, it had no elements from the Alien universe, other than terraforming and some very nasty indigenous lifeforms. Whatever happens, if Ridley can keep this locked up tight like Radiohead did with their latest album, and let us just experience it in it's virgin state at the cinema, he'll be doing us all a favour,afterall, when was the last time you went to see a movie not knowing anything about it? Mine was the Matrix, after travelling to New York to see that pile of excrement The Phantom Menace, we just happened to chance on the Matrix without any idea what it was about, the rest is history.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Fox will market it as a prequel

    by David Ortiz

    How else will Fox be able to get the most butts in seats? Ridley can scream til he's blue in the face about how it's 'not a prequel' blah blah blah, but the fact is that when we start seeing some promotional materials, you can bet on it that Fox will link it to the Alien franchise. How can they not afford to? I can already see a huge Alien plastered on the poster...

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 7:23 a.m. CST

    I wonder how Ridley will treat the legacy of 'Aliens'

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    Will he ignore Cameron's contributions, or will he continue the cycle JC presented along with the Queen? I love Cameron's treatment personally. The whole 'Eggmen' stuff never worked for me, especially as it rendered the Xenomorph a mere twenty-four hour threat.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Idris Elba, Sean Harris and Kate Dickie have joined the film.

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    Interesting...

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 7:52 a.m. CST

    valenquen

    by NightArrows

    Holy shit there is some interesting bits on the production of Alien 3 on your site! Alien 3's biggest crime is killing off Newt and Hicks, and from there it serves up nothing but plot hole pap as described in great detail in this thread. It does however at least try and walk in the footsteps of it's grandfather. It has a claustrophobic atmosphere, and does a decent job inducing dread. That doesn't excuse it from it's long list of offences however. Alien Resurrection on the other hand is a pile of shit. If you hold it near and dear and think those of us dumping on it are "pretentious" well, in turn I can think you are a fucking mouth breathing twit for enjoying something so devoid of soul. It's got some great production pieces, some great art direction, but it's NOT an Alien film. That movie was the first BIG disappointment in film for me. I think it's where cynicism first really entered my mindset with regards to movies. I walked out simply stating "WHAT THE FUCK?" and I had never done that before. And that posted site with all the insider quotes on the cunts at FOX sheds further light on how FUCKED that studio is, from top to bottom. I'm so glad I've boycotted PAYING for any movie from that shithole studio. I'll drop money on their competitors and sneak into any Fox movie I "need" to see, although I don't see there being many, if any of those. FUCK YOU FOX.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 8:13 a.m. CST

    @nightarrows

    by Valaquen

    Thanks very much. Though Alien 3 is pretty to look at and has a great score, it's a ridiculous film, logically. Alien 4 onwards has been a long march down the green mile.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 8:17 a.m. CST

    LIAM NEESON IN STAR WARS: EPISODE III

    by steves

    Liam Neeson has filmed a new scene for the Blu-Ray edition of Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith. Frank Oz also involved.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Looking good

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Kate Dickie is a fantastic actress. Scott is using seven stages at Pinewood, lets hope this is a hands-on practical thriller with CG enhancement, not a cartoon.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 8:26 a.m. CST

    valaquen

    by NightArrows

    Man, I keep reading and keeping stating "WHAT THE FUCK?". I had never really dug Alien 3 apart, seeing those logic and plot gaps is staggering. One thing I find most offensive about Alien 4 is the end when Ripley finally makes it home, and it's like "Meh". Absolutely put a nail in the coffin for the franchise for me.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 8:28 a.m. CST

    starwarsbluray

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Where did you hear that? Makes sense, as the throwaway line from Yoda at the end of III was pretty terrible. Fingers crossed it's good!

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 8:28 a.m. CST

    @nightarrows

    by Valaquen

    The "We've saved the Earth" zinger line in Alien Resurrection was the nail for me, the landing on Earth ending was nice - but it didn't belong to Clone Ripley, it belonged to Newt, Hicks, Bishop, and Ripley. An utter waste and, as Cameron has said, "a slap in the face."

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 8:39 a.m. CST

    It's about selling the film...

    by dmwalker

    Think about it: There's no way a studio decides to fund an ALIEN movie and then just lets the director change xenomorphs in midstream. What's probably going on behind the scenes is this: Ridley Scott (wisely, I'd say) didn't want to just make another ALIEN franchise movie and certainly didn't want to revisit the creature design that's been so worn out by the crappy sequels and AVP films. Scott (and the marketing dept perhaps) will have pointed out the fact that audiences will be disappointed if they turn out for an ALIEN movie and they don't see that original design. The studio was probably pushing that the original ALIEN design be featured but Scott faced them down. They then calculated that they're better off with a Scott-directed prequel of sorts than with another low-rent franchise pic. So either all these rather unusual press releases are paving the way, so that everyone knows what to expect ie basically an ALIEN prequel but without the Alien as we know it; or - having got this out firmly planted in the audience's mind - they'll give it a crappy prefix like ALIEN ORIGINS or something, and then those that are disappointed won't be able to say they didn't know. So my bet is that this is just about the original Alien design, simple as that. We won't see it in PROMETHEUS (except maybe at the end - Scott's nothing if not a populist) but it's still an ALIEN movie.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 8:44 a.m. CST

    @valaquen

    by NightArrows

    Agreed that it does belong to them, and further agitates the thoughts of "what could have been". Christ, now I'm reading the "Alternate fates of Newt and Hicks"....I gotta get some work done today...

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Alien 3-Number 1 on my list.

    by jellypop

    Is my favourite film of all time. I have simply never connected to a movie in the way I did when I first saw it. Despite all its flaws and problems, I think it is has a grand vision and a great pulse running through it. I think that David Fincher contructed a film way ahead of its time in terms of visusals and atmosphere and how he presented the Alien attacks, showing a tiny glimpse here and there, was outstanding. There are so many things that need fixing with it such as some really crappy dialogue and that woeful inclusion of Ripley being ready to birth 'her Alien' etc. but I won't give up on it ever. As for the next movie, the new direction it appears to be taking seems a perfect fit to where the story needs to be to set the ball rolling on another set of adventures.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 9:20 a.m. CST

    RIDLEY SCOTT AND THE VERY LATEST INFO

    by Astronut

    From alien prequel news.com "It’s the story of creation, the gods and the man who stood against them. It’s not a small film," Ridley joked. "I’m using the giant James Bond 007 stage at Pinewood and six other sound stages to film it," he added. Prometheus, Ridley declared, was not — as some have suggested — a prequel to his classic sci-fi shocker Alien. But he refused to divulge more. Indeed, one of his actors told me that he could recite the entire screenplay to me — but then he’d have to wrestle me to the ground and, this was related in the nicest possible way, ‘kill me’. Apparently Ridley Scott is doing all he can to keep the Prometheus script from being leaked to the internet, as is becoming quite common these days, and is going to great lengths to make sure none of the cast reveal anything. [The actors] not only had to sign secrecy clauses, but were only allowed to read the story if they visited Ridley’s production office. (One exception was made, when a security courier flew to an actor’s foreign location and stood guard for two hours while the screenplay was perused.) "I was insistent that the script not leak onto the internet, where it gets dissected out of context, which spoils it for everyone," Ridley told me during cocktails at a pre-Oscar tribute to Harvey Weinstein, hosted by Dior at the Chateau Marmont on Sunset Boulevard. Filming starts in three weeks at Pinewood Studios, where Sir Ridley is not only using the enormous 007 Stage but an additional six more sound stages. GOD, I cannot wait for this. I have been waiting 30+ years for another ALIEN-type sci-fi film from Ridley. I may have a heart attack when I walk into the theater to see this next year. God I hope it's good.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 9:41 a.m. CST

    jellypop

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Right on. Alien 3 is pretty spectacular, especially given the production nightmares it endured.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Dont forget official 'no AICN news day' 1st March 2011

    by Jake Pantlin

    Rest in peace, Demode.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST

    this is all getting too exciting to think about

    by Smack_Teddy

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST

    either Prometheus is going to be the greatest

    by KilliK

    masterpiece of the space horror genre in the decade or the worst Hollywood attempt to revive a long dead franchise ever. only time will tell.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 10 a.m. CST

    I'm...

    by KyleG

    ...so back and forth on this project. One second I hate RS, the next I want his babies.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 10:02 a.m. CST

    ONE THING I HAVE TO ASK

    by Astronut

    If this new film tackles the subject of "Alien DNA" and creatures being developed as "bio-weapons" (as Ridley himself has been quoted as saying), then why how can this film not take place in the same "universe" as ALIEN?? Why is there this ongoing dispute?? If it addresses Alien DNA and creatures being used as bio-weapons... and if Giger is doing design consultation... and it has SPACE JOCKEYS IN IT... then it HAS to take place in the same universe as ALIEN. Right???

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Astronut

    by ihatetalkbacks

    The film started as a prequel, then 2 prequels then there was an ambiguous quote that the film was now stand alone but had the "same DNA" The quote could have had finger print in the same way. DNA was not said as a story point but as a description. I originally said they were only connected in that they came from the same source material and had then diverged to form a whole new story in a whole new universe... Now I am not so sure and they may be linked far more than that, and the space jockeys may actually be the space jockeys rather than a similar species inspired by them. Personally I still think they will be stand alone films linked only by theme, not character, setting or story. There have been no concrete anouncments

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Cheers.

    by jellypop

    Honestly, it is about time someone else stuck up for Alien3 as I'm bored of its distractors, so thank you.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Nerd Rage!!!!!!!!!!

    by ihatetalkbacks

    I like how every one was against this when this wsa a prequel when the origin f the space Jockeys was announced. The Hate Train was hurtling fast! WOOHOOOO!!! Then after it changed to "well maybe a side story or self contained" every one seems to have forgotten the hive mind directive and started to love the idea...

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 10:31 a.m. CST

    A new direction

    by Japan Flix

    Let's hope so. I mean how refreshing would that be?? I would happily pay to see a fresh spin on the Alien series. Hell I'd pay to see a fresh spin on ANY series.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Thanks, ihate

    by Astronut

    I hear what you're sayin'.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 10:34 a.m. CST

    jellypop, people DO hold ALIEN 3 up high...

    by Astronut

    ... when they are about to put a noose around its rotten neck! Sorry, you can paint it any way you want but at the end of the day that film is still an abortion.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    mentaldominance, you're onto something

    by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls

    Any sci-fi movie that features the main protagonist playing basketball is going to suck. So from now on, my first question about a new flick will be DO THEY PLAY BASKETBALL IN IT?

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 10:59 a.m. CST

    FOX

    by NightArrows

    This quote: "When Giger offered the bust to FOX for the small price of the mold and not for the actual time spent designing and constructing the creature, FOX rebuffed him, as well as declining film footage of the creature Giger had shot and provided for reference. FOX then severed all contact from Giger as Alien 3 went into shooting for a tumultuous year." Perfectly illustrates how FOX is a collective of fucknuts and mongoloids. DIAF FOX. As for Prometheus, I'm withholding any excitement, hope, or otherwise until I see people spewing love for the finished and RELEASED product.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Not recognizable? Will this make sense?

    by Rectal Blowout

    One thing that I think they are over looking is if the Alien changes to much due to taking on traits from the last host, then how do the eggs remain the same? A female is laying the eggs. So every so often a female hatches from the chest area. If the female takes on the traits too then it somehow keeps the same anatomy/system for laying the eggs and the eggs stay the same. The eggs are identical both before human DNA and after DNA. The SJ ship eggs are 57+ years before the LV426 eggs. I'm assuming that all of the Aliens in "Aliens" are born with human DNA. Meaning the female too. If they make the Alien unrecognizable prior to human DNA, and prior to SJ DNA, then the eggs should be different and the method of laying them. I think that they are skipping this fact. The only way this will work by not changing the eggs or method to drastically is that each Alien only takes on small traits of its host. But with talk of changing to bi-pedal to changing to a more Predator mouth, to changing to having dog features, would indicate that it would effect the whole breeding, laying eggs method. How does a unrecognizable Alien lay the same eggs?

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST

    People are too hard on A3, Aliens has its flaws as well

    by ryan

    I love 1-3. Obviously the 3rd takes a backseat to the first 2,, and part 4 I dismiss outright as a joke and insult to the series and characters. All this squabbling about the realistic aspects of A3 and the facehuggers, just thought I'd point out plot things that irked me about Aliens. First off, I think it's really silly that in Alien one ship easily finds and navigates to the jockey site. But in Aliens an entire colony has formed there after extensive terraforming, more or less next door to the jokey site, and no one has noticed it yet in the colony? and it's heavily implied the CO knew about it, "Burke you knew and sent them there anyway" "it was a bad call ripley a bad call". It just seems kind of laughable that the co knew or kind of knew and treated it so flippantly after the events of the first film. and then theres the big one that Cameron himself laughs at, how the queen fit in the elevator and somehow used and knew how to use the elevator controls. Cameron admitted he knew it was silly but the impact dramatically excused for the absurdity of it. Aliens is great, but still sloppy on the whole. check out: http://www.moviemistakes.com/film40. So cut A3 a little slack, you're holding it up to a standard in terms on continuity that Aliens couldn't meet.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Dan O Bannon Alien script

    by PedroM

    is available for reading in the Quadrilogy DVD. I'm not sure if it's all of it, but it's there.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    RESPECT

    by MattHooper

    ... for Ridley Scott, for NOT merely putting this whole production on an assembly line. Which is what everyone else in the industry "would" do. Respect. plain and simple.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Mattman your love is your weakness

    by ryan

    It's all a matter of taste and perception. What takes some out of it does not others. and Seeing as Jim Cameron himself agrees on the Queen in the elevator thing, I feel like I can wave my little flag of validation at that. First off, why are you so certain the distress call was gone? When was it shut off and by whom/what? and secondly if you watch the directors cut you'll see a direct pan from remnants of the jockey site to the hadleys hope sign and colonists entering the complex. Why are you thinking it was far away? Besides you wanting to makes excuses for it? take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iusPorC4wZE&feature=related Let's all be a bit honest with ourselves and admit we can excuse more things frm Aliens because its just a better movie, and also holds a warmer place in our nostalgic hearts, more conducive to rose tinted glasses.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Not a dog...

    by Sulla

    it was an Ox before they cut the hell out of the movie.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Mattman on misogynistic blah

    by ryan

    Oh come on, a little fast and loose with this now don't oyu think. Aliens: she needed to be saved (her and Newt) by the men from the face huggers. This is the SAME movie she fights the queen, so by your logic, face huggers are more powerful than the queen. Who showed her how to use the weapons? A man. WHo gave her the tracking device she used to find Newt? a Man. It was her idea to nuke the site from orbit, but who gave the order to turn it from a suggestion to a mission? a man. NOt to mention it's clear sexism still is alive and well in the aliens timeline judging by the laughing and surprised reaction to her operating the "manly" construction lifter at the beginning "Where do you want it?" This is the same movie that she was conned by a little weasel like Burke, whom most audience could tell was up to no good from his first scene. Ripley gets assistance in survival from all kinds of characters in the series, in each film. She's had her life saved and also saved many lives. She just happens to be the only female (alive) in Alien 3, so to try to make a straw man over a man helping her, is just pure cheese and reaching. and another thing, Newt surviving all that time is one thing. but what about that damn Hamster in the cage? Who fed it and gave it water, changed it's bedding? Newt?

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    mattman, did you watch the clip?

    by ryan

    Ripley saying one thing does not negate what YOU SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES. come on man, the camera pan is right there.

  • Even if the original xenomorph Alien we all know only appears fleetingly, I can guarantee all of you that Fox will advertise the movie as an "Alien" prequel and they`ll probably slap some stupid subtitle like "Alien Origins" or "Alien Begins" or something on it. All that being said, this movie does sound very interesting.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Matmman still reaching

    by ryan

    You are ether a professional feminist or reaching really hard. Bishop does all the actual work in Aliens, the queen wouldnt have even been on the ship if she ahdnt gone back for Newt, she brought it on the ship. and she still wins/saves the day in Alien3 by killing the final alien inside of her and not trusting the Co. Just because she dies doesn't make her less of a Saviour. Weaver demanded Ripley die in that movie anyways as a condition of taking the role, she also wanted no guns. In the first one all she saves is the damn cat and herself. You're just trolling against 3. She's a strong female lead in all of the films and in all for them portrayed as not just the strongest character, but the most intelligent. It's fine if you don't like it. But what next, it's racist because the black man dies? Or is it homophobic because no gay inmates were shown? Maybe it's liberal propaganda because of the companies evil intent, or is it right wing propaganda because it shows inmates are expendable and deserve to die.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Ummm ryanmegan...

    by NightArrows

    The JOCKEY's ship is not right next to Hadley's hope, that's pretty fucking evident in the footage shown of Newt's parents driving, that, and the planet's surface, as Mattman mentions, resembles the craft. You're creating something to justify your argument. No way the colonists/terraformers would have missed that. And while Aliens has it flaws and boners, none of them are on the level of pure incoherent stupidity that the plot holes in Alien 3 are. NONE of them. The Alien Queen operating the elevator is on par with the kind of dumb-fuck stupid displayed with Velociraptors learning instantly what door handles do, on that I agree.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Non-humanoid Xenomorph is a very cool idea.

    by Royston Lodge

    I vote, "yes".

  • And there's more. alienprequelnews.com

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    "THREE WEEKS!"

    by Astronut

    That's when Prometheus filming starts! And a week from today I will post the words "TWO WEEKS!" in partial tribute to the ugly fat lady disguise in Total Recall!

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 12:46 p.m. CST

    The Title..

    by Autodidact

    Prometheus was a demigod who stole fire from mount Olympus and delivered it to mankind. I wonder how that relates to the themes here? Possibly referencing humanity trying to control the biotechnology of the Space Jockeys?

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Alien³ went through a shit load of different scripts

    by Amazing Maurice

    Back in the mid 90's before the net really took off, I had this great Aliens saga book looking at the making of all 3 movies and an interview with Joss Whedon regarding his script for the 4th. Most interesting thing was all the script drafts that Alien³ went through. One script had the Sulaco crashing into an outerspace shopping mall orbiting the Earth (no shit). It was proposed as two movies - with the 1st movie centering around Hicks battling aliens in the shopping mall while Ripley was still in her cryopod. I believe it ended with Hicks blasting Ripleys pod off towards Earth with a map of where to find Newt or some shit - setting up Alien IV with Ripley fighting the aliens back on Earth. Another script had the Sulaco reaching a wooden Monestary planet (!) populated by monks. It was batshit insane. It had the company fucking around with alien DNA and merging it with chickens and shit - fucking hybrids EVERYWHERE. Eventually Ripley had to fight a spaceship at the end - an alien/spaceship hybrid! Fuck me. Still, the shaven-headed monk idea was carried over into what would eventually become Alien³ along with the religious overtones. I'm sure there were a few other wacky script treatments as well. None of them any good. Bascially the studio just wanted a sequel to Aliens no matter what. Fuck artistic merit. As long as it gets made, asses will be put in the seat. That mindset has never gone away in Hollywood.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    The Queen in stealth mode during the dropship flight

    by KilliK

    is more ridiculous than her using the elevator.Regardless of how she gets inside the dropship (which is pretty evident in the movie that the launch gear grabs her by accident,but anyway).the FACT is that she is a big,wild animal trapped inside the confined space where the launch gear retracts too. which means during the dropship flight towards the Sulako,she would have caused a lot of noises and hissings in order to break free.BUT instead until her sneak attack aboard the Sulako,she remains completely silent and noone aboard the dropship notices her. To me that is the most stretched thing in the entire movie as the verisimilitude of the aliens goes.not that i have any problem with that,fuck Aliens is so much fan that i can forgive even a gay love scene between Hicks and Hudson,but if we are going to discuss which is the most stupid thing in the Aliens movie,for me the Queen in stealth mode during the dropship flight gets the cake. thats all.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST

    mattman my cat does that too

    by KilliK

    i am not kidding.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST

    "Weaver demanded Ripley die in that movie "

    by KilliK

    and ironically she was resurrected and returned back for A4.at the end of the day its all about the fucking money and fame and not art.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST

    mattman

    by NightArrows

    I just found it too ridiculous, it's not a movie killer, but it makes me cringe when I watch it now.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 1:19 p.m. CST

    mattman it could be worse

    by KilliK

    she puts explosive in your door and then she blasts it open.heh.

  • "...In which a particular bioweapon would prosper." The planet being made Earth-like because the bioweapons are humans. You read it here first.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST

    my cat performs sneak attacks on my hand

    by KilliK

    when i rest it on the armchair while watching tv.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Sigourney Weaver is partially to blame for Alien 3

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    She ASKED for Ripley to be killed off.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 2:13 p.m. CST

    .....Was i deleted for irrelevance?

    by mattforce7

    http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/catattackp1.gif Snatch attack

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    the_motorcycle_boy

    by NightArrows

    Good thing she didn't have that creative control during Aliens: "'[Sigourney] tried to have an influence on Aliens, but it didn't work! She said, "I don't want to shoot a gun," I said, "No, you have to shoot a gun." "Oh, well, can I get killed?" "No." When I saw the third film I cracked up, because it was all the things she'd asked for on the second film.' James Cameron

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST

    My cat writes mysteries under the name Julius Van Falk.

    by Royston Lodge

    I think that trumps being able to open a friggin' door! ;-)

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST

    i am pretty sure JC banged the shit out of her

    by KilliK

    that's why she eventually backed away and accepted his vision.hehehe.

  • Tweeted this to the Nord, but he's ignored it - AICN are getting slooower with the gossip - Capt. America pics from Empire mag for example :s !!! C'mon guys - we get your fingers out, here's the link; http://movies.sky.com/prometheus-latest-space-jockey-and-giant-head-pilot-confirmed Enjoy!

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST

    3 NEW CAST MEMBERS REVEALED!!

    by marineboy

    Serious talent too; http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/19651?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 3:06 p.m. CST

    darth_kong

    by NightArrows

    I know she doesn't fire a gun in A:R...what's your point? She had her say during that film too.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    my dog performs sneak attacks...

    by jay2517

    on my balls when i put peanut butter on them...errrr forget i said that....

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 3:10 p.m. CST

    The clue is in the title

    by Ray Gamma

    If any of you semi-literate fuckwads knew anything about Greek Mythology, you would know there is a fucking big clue to the plot right there in the title.

  • And if the reason you dislike ALIEN 3 is because it's not ALIENS PART 2, then you are a moron. By that token, i should fucking hate ALIENS because it's not ALIEN PART 2. See how it looks when the coin is flipped?

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST

    @donlogan

    by big_log

    I hope you're right. I'm by no means a homophobe, but the homoeroticism in the AH script was a little over-the-top. Even so, I still wasn't blown away by it.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 5:44 p.m. CST

    WAR!!! UNNH! Good god, y'all!

    by D.Vader

    What the Frick, guys, theres no way I can play ketchup now, what with all the good discussion and debate going on.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    I also liked Alien3.

    by Royston Lodge

    The only part I really hate is the sex scene. Ripley having sex with a lice-infested convict after she didn't have sex with a bunch of hard-ab marines or space-hardened miners seemed like a real betrayal of the character. The sex scene really takes me out of the movie, since it's so tacked-on. Other than that, I don't really get the Alien3 hate. It's no Alien Resurrection!

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 was great, I'll never understand the hate.

    by Sulla

    I love everything about it. The atmosphere, the characters, the Ox/alien, the fact that Ripley actually dies etc. Aliens (2) was a great action film, but it is in no way even close to being as psychologically deep as Alien 3 takes you. It's just Cameron having fun with space marines blowing shit up. It's fun, but it doesn't make you think nearly as much. It's the "popcorn" Alien film.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    sulla re: Alien 3

    by spire_walk

    You'll never understand the hate? Alien 3 is not only a bad movie on its own, but it reaches back into Aliens and erases it be killing Newt and Hicks. That's the problem with it, it went out of its way to destroy the franchise, utterly destroy everything! Compare the ominous derelict ship in Alien to anything in Alien 3. Which one had the better mood? I mean, Eurotrash convicts can be creepy, but not Alien creepy. How about the discovery of the hive on LV426 as our characters travel deeper into its recesses to find out just what in the hell happened to the colonists. How about the unveiling if the queen alien? Alien 3 brought jack and shit to the table, and Jack died in the first 10 seconds of the movie with Hicks and Newt. It had slimy Eurotrash prisoners and Ripley had a shaved head. Other than that it relied off of cheap thrills of random characters being murdered one by one by one, just like in the first Alien and a bajillion other horror movies. By itself Alien 3 is a dull, unoriginal movie, shot in a dull location with a supporting cast no one gives a fuck about. I can only assume that the need to kill off Newt and Hicks was to guarantee that Sigourney Weaver would remain the bright and shining star of the Alien franchise, so that any attempt to make a movie without her would risk financial disaster. Alien 3 was meddled with from start to finish, and no wonder it resembles a prison bitch that had a train run on it by a planet of inmates.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 6:47 p.m. CST

    er Royston Lodge ,Ripley was Dallas's bitch.

    by KilliK

    that was pretty clear in the original film.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 was a piece of shit,only surpassed by

    by KilliK

    the complete turd that A4 was.Even AvP1 was better than Resurrection.resurrection my ass,more like Extermination of the franchise.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 6:51 p.m. CST

    asimovlives: "A3 dismiss the existence of A2.

    by KilliK

    like with DH2 and DH3,A2 is no more part of the canon because of A3."

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Aliens gets an easy pass

    by rootcause

    Y'know, lots of criticism here over the plot specifics of Alien3, such as when the Alien queen managed to lay that mysterious egg. And yet... no one calls bullshit on the queen somehow managing to stow away on the shuttle in the first place in Aliens? Since the beginning of the age of flight, vehicle weight has been a non-negotiable issue. No one would have noticed a few extra tons of Alien? Idiotic. And far worse than the stowaway egg in 3. I know, I know, Aliens is all pretty and shiny and stuff, and it's really, really macho and cool. But really, it has a screenplay that could have been written by a third grader. Another example: why does Burke try to infect Ripley and Newt using the facehuggers when he has specimens gift wrapped in tubes waiting in the lab? In fact, how did he free them and get them into the room in the first place without getting attacked himself? Oh, right, pretty and shiny and macho and cool, I remember.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 8:20 p.m. CST

    rootcause i have talked about the Queen hiding

    by KilliK

    in the dropship in some previous posts.but i also said that A2 is so fucking great that you can easily forget its few flaws.A3 on the other hand has no redeeming qualities to save it.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 8:25 p.m. CST

    oh boy the trolls attack...

    by KilliK

    " why does Burke try to infect Ripley and Newt using the facehuggers when he has specimens gift wrapped in tubes waiting in the lab? " there is a whole speech from Ripley which explains exactly that.have you at least watched the flick before you started trolling? "In fact, how did he free them and get them into the room in the first place without getting attacked himself?" the same way you can carry two water containers from one place to another.he didnt open the containers in the room where Ripley was,he only made sure that the lid of the containers were loose enough for the facehuggers to break free. common sense boy,try to use it sometimes.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Alien the third

    by mrbouncy

    Now I know Newt & Hicks' death is a bit of a sore point with fans of the franchise. Together Ripley, Bishop, Newt and Hicks were the lone survivors of LV-426 yet in a blink of an eye two people Ripley cared about were gone. Ever since she first encountered the Xenomorphs she has lost everything. The beginning of Alien the third reinforces this notion of a cold, dark, unfair, harsh universe that has these monsters living with in it that took all that Ripley held dear to her. She lost not only Newt, Bishop and Hicks but her former crew and her daughter to these Aliens throughout the series.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 9:02 p.m. CST

    good lord...alien queen on the ship is NOT a flaw...

    by jay2517

    remember when the fucking ship landed?? what happened? a shit load of grown marines with heavy ammo and guns ran out. PLUS a rolling FUCKING TANK! what the fuck kind of logic and argument aboot WEIGHT and ROOM FOR HER TO HIDE is to be made??? thats a whole fucking lot of ROOM and WEIGHT on that "tiny" ship. damn...

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 9:04 p.m. CST

    whoops turd beat me too it lol...

    by jay2517

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Ever notice how 20th Century Fox destroys sequels like no other?

    by spire_walk

    Alien 3 and 4 were the most epic failures to a series I've seen since Beneath the Planet of the Apes. Fox doesn't just produce a weak sequel, they make a steaming pile of shit that's so bad, it travels back in time and erases the cherished original installment(s).

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 1:56 a.m. CST

    mattman, d.vader

    by IceTitan

    Thanks for your in depth analysis and subsequent obliteration of Alien 3! It confirmed my suspicions that it is indeed shit and also killed enough time to allow for Fringe to download.

  • http://www.empireonline.com/features/alien-3-tale-of-the-wooden-planet/

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Alien 3... needs a new title!

    by Jake Pantlin

    They should actually rename the film. Alien 3 sounds so lame. Give it a better title. If Fincher could come in and reedit the film, I think a new title would actually work well. Given the chance, I think he would even want it renamed. No doubt the title was FOX choice and not his.

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 6:04 a.m. CST

    jay2517 you do realise that the landing gears of

    by KilliK

    our airplanes dont retract back where the passengers and the cargo are put for the flight,but in their own separate rooms,right? unless the logic of how to build flying ships has changed in the future,we can safely assume that the landing gear of the dropship retract back in their own rooms and not inside the hollow of the ship. and frankly the dropship is not that big,it barely has room for the APV and for the two pilots.

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 7:10 a.m. CST

    mr bouncy - well said

    by ihatetalkbacks

    The third film brutalises Ripley so much that death is the only way for her. She goes from feminist icon to battered wife. She has no choice to do it, there is nothing left for her. If she had died in the first it would have been easier for her. In the 3rd she is not only physically assaulted but also sexually first by the face hugger, then the inmates and then the alien itself when it emerges. As a viewer we have stopped travelling with her on an adventure and started to view as a sadistic voyeur. Ripley should have let the Alien live to repay humanity back for the shitty hand it dealt her.

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Sounds like a prequel

    by ToshiroShimura

    If the Xenomorph has yet to come in contact with human dna, then it would stand to reason that Prometheus takes place before the colonization of LB42whatever, or at least during. They may be hesitant to call it a sequel becaust it may have nothing to do with humans at all, but instead that space jockey thing in that ship from the first movie. And that's how the aliens wound up on a planet with humans, bringing us nicely back around to Alien and Aliens. Someone give me a WGA card

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST

    ryanmegan

    by Keith

    You're wrong about the alien ship being close to the colony. It's dozens of miles away. The pan to which you're referring does not include the alien ship, just some rock formations which are typical of the planet. A more legitimate question is why an orbital survey of the planet didn't reveal the alien ship. It isn't covered by anything and would be easily seen from orbital ships/satellites. And one would assume that a planet that was scheduled to be terraformed would be surveyed extensively. One could argue that the Company did indeed see the ship and kept it quiet, but it would make far more sense to send its own specialist team out to collect samples, not rely on colonists to do a shitty de facto "collection". This is actually a minor weakness of the original film, too, if you take the interpretation that the company did already know about the signal and the alien. (Also, on this interpretation, it makes little sense for the company not to have followed up with its own high priority expedition to LV-426 during the years Ripley is in hypersleep.)

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST

    "Alien 3... needs a new title!"

    by Keith

    Alien Retcon?

  • why they didnt discover the alien ship when they were examining the planet for potential terraforming.or what about the signal? did it suddenly stop broadcasting some time after the Nostromo events? anyway thats only nitpicks,you can use logic and discover flaws in all the classic movies,what it matters is for the movie to be great as experience and content goes.

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Braindrain

    by Keith

    "Alien 3 ripped off the end of T 2" This is slightly unfair. If memory serves, they reshot part of the ending of Alien3 specifically because T2 had just come out with an ending that was too close to theirs. Alien3 was originally scheduled for a 1991 release but was put back to the summer of 1992. I think (?) in the original ending the alien is simply killed directly by the molten metal, but in the reworked ending it's the boil-o-freeze-o combination that nails it. But I could be misremembering the details.

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Mattman

    by Keith

    You raise an interesting issue about the point at which the audience is allowed to reject an official release as being non-canonical because it hasn't held up the continuity end of the bargain. This clearly DOES happen (an example being Highlander 2, a movie so fucking insane that everyone should feel full liberty to ignore it as non-canonical). I tend to think Alien3 is a valid candidate for canonicity annulment.

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 10:06 a.m. CST

    wow

    by eyeballkid

    I am excited to see this, um, whatever it is. I love all four movies, mostly just for the art. That is why all four directors have had strong art backgrounds. I'm just rambling, I could talk about these films all day, except for AVP. That was dumb.

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Just a few reasons why Alien 3 is shit.

    by Neil Harrison

    Most of the main prison cast are English for no explicable reason (other than the mere convenience of them being near the shooting location). Too many bad 'mockney' accents that would only sound acceptable to those outside the UK. The little superimposed rod puppet alien effects clearly looked like utter shit - even at the time of release. Almost all of the characters are cardboard cut-out, one-dimensional pieces of boredom with nothing interesting to say or do. It's all akin to a rather boring Fri the 13th movie only with an Alien doin' the Jason part. Only Charles Dance is remotely interesting and he leaves far too bloody early. Bit where a bit of pipework looks exactly like an alien one moment, and then nothing like it the very next, is lame as hell. Could go on with more but that's enough for now. Thoroughly awful film, then and now...some nice (albeit brown) photography can not save such a heavily flawed film. Most depressing thing in world - sometimes encountering internet types who maintain that Alien 3 was the best in the series.

  • Because you gotta have some respect for all the shit it went through in pre-production and for Fincher wanting to do something equally different and innovative as the first two were at their time of release. He just fell a short.

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Explanation for the Queen operating the elevator

    by flax

    Xenomorphs have racial memory. They inherit memories from their ancestors – xenomorph and otherwise. This is spelt out pretty clearly in Alien Resurrection, but I'm not sure if it's canon for the good films. The Queen in Aliens probably inherited the memories of her host (Newt's dad?), allowing her to get a basic grasp of human technology. It makes just as much sense as inheriting physical attributes – absorbing the memories of local inhabitants would help the xenomorphs to adapt and survive in a new environment.

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    astronut

    by flax

    I just watched Total Recall for the first time last night. Great film. I'm pretty sure it could also take place in the Alien universe, just like Blade Runner, Soldier, Predator, Starship Troopers, Outland etc.

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Loving the mystery behind this

    by SK229

    If Scott is able to bring even 25% of his Blade Runner/Alien A-game, I'll be happy. I actually still think he has an eye for shot composition, lighting, and detail that is like no other and when applied to science fiction, well watch the fuck out. The ONLY thing I'm worried about is the penchant these days for obvious dialogue, 'star moments', and shit that makes me feel like I'm watching any ole star-driven big budget movie. With Alien, BR, and even Legend, I felt that he had a superb control over mediocrity and/or Hollywood slickness finding its way into the dialogue and the performances... then I feel like he and his brother went and INVENTED a new definition of Hollywood slick (along with Bruckheimer, Simpson, and a few others) and only occasionally since then has Ridley transcended that style of filmmaking. The fact that this already sounds odd and mysterious is a good thing, imho, but I just hope he doesn't pull a fucking 'Tron' on us. I finally just saw that in IMAX 3D literally the LAST showing of the last day it was in our local IMAX and was disappointed in the story and performances. That, more than anything, made me realize that spectacle, interesting design, and good shot composition and pacing are nearly useless if I don't give a shit what's going on. I say 'nearly useless' because once I realized I wasn't gonna care that much about the story, I kind of just let myself feel like I was on a Disney ride (which I pretty much was) and enjoyed the view. The soundtrack, on the other hand, is absolutely insane and addictive. Daft Punk could probably get as original as Vangelis on Scott if he gave them a shot at it. I thought it was less derivative than the scores of Inception and Social Network, although I also own those and find them to be a great listen.

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Kubrick vs Scott as a visualist...

    by SK229

    Personally, I think the fact that Scott doesn't always think things through can be a plus over Kubrick. Don't get me wrong, I'm one of the biggest Kubrick fans you'll ever meet (have the original Archives book... but sadly, not the Napoleon book!), but I also think that Scott's instincts sort of transcend functionality or thinking things through, in a way. Very often, we have no fucking idea why we evolve certain design aesthetics or reasons for things working the way that they do... they're just pleasing to us or they wind up working in a way that we could not have foreseen before other considerations were invented. I think with Blade Runner, it just 'felt right', whereas if you try to think it through going too far ahead, as Kubrick would do, you can often be very wrong. Scott's instincts seem to be based more in that 'for whatever reason' houses/buildings/chairs/HVAC piping/clothing evolved into THIS. This also goes for the environment, like the rain and night in Blade Runner. There were budgetary reasons, obviously, and aesthetic considerations, but it WORKS. Kubrick might have theorized that by then, we have mirrors in space that create daylight 24/7 so people can work longer hours or that we've cleaned up the pollution so much but not repaired the ozone enough so that now we're getting fried by dangerous rays... and that thinking it through too much and then seeing the result however many years into the future, AGES the movie terribly if it turns out to be very different. I guess sometimes it's the difference between theorizing a future (coming up with a future that you think is always possible, but not necessarily going to happen) and PREDICTING a future... in other words, saying 'I think it will definitely be something like this.' One rule I think is good for future environments - don't EVER put real world companies from today in there... look at Howard Johnson/PanAm in 2001 and the ATARI signs in BR. Maybe if it's Coca Cola or something, but if it's tech or transportation, fucking LEAVE IT OUT and make up a company. Chances are, 20 years from now, people will go, "Shit... that company they made up for Prometheus reminds me a shit-ton of 'insert company name here' and they weren't even invented yet... did he have a crystal ball or something?"

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    symbioticfunction

    by ihatetalkbacks

    The cast being English is a little harsh as a punnishment of Alien 3 (the whole film is bad) but there was a strong English pressence i the original, Ian Holm and John Hurt both have a Union Jack on their costumes too. The accents are very regional in Alien 3 too. Some are Yorkshire, Scotish, an anglo Turkish maybe and a few estuary ones too as well as Charles Dances clipped accent. There was no explanation of the English being on teh Nostromo either, and the series on the whole has had a very British centric focus with cast and crew.

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Even Mother was English!

    by ihatetalkbacks

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST

    mattman it doesnt explain my argument

    by KilliK

    that the Queen is trapped in a very confined room where the landing gear retracts to.regardless of how high her intelligence is,she remains an animal which means she would try frantically to escape from there making loud noises and hissings instead of calmly and silently waiting to attack the crew. and that brings the next question: even if we accept that she it smart enough to wait silently for the sneak attack, how on earth does she know that she is aboard in a dropship which flies through space and will eventually land in a bigger ship, and she just has to remain patient and wait hidden somewhere in the dropship until she get enough room to sneak attack ???

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 3:54 p.m. CST

    in the first alien it is already established...

    by Billy_D_Williams

    that the xenomorph is incredibly intelligent and probably takes on the memory/cognition of the host. when Ripley is about to blow the ship up, the alien cleverly hides inside the escape pod...it is in there before she even boards it...how did it know that she about to destroy the Nostromo? the queen in aliens is basically doing the same thing as the first alien...if there's a problem with this, you should be complaining about the first film, as it established the intelligence of the alien.

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST

    The Queen Alien is smarter than Obama

    by BurnHollywood

    The Queen would have *never* trusted a Wall Street insider like Geithner as her Treasury Secretary, and would have fought Bernanke over his thus-far disastrous second round of Quantitative Easing (QE2). If she needed to rip him in half after skewering him with her barbed tail, so be it. What's more, the Queen would have made a single payer plan the *starting point* of her bid to bring Health Care to American citizens, then haggled downwards towards a public option, instead of starting with the public option and bargaining it down to a borderline un-Constitutional mandatory insurance system. In order for a her Alien brood to prosper, she needs fresh, healthy hosts, and a world-class health system is key to that interest. Finally, with a six-foot long head, four arms and teeth like steak knives, she would have had the wisdom to use the bully pulpit, Reagan-style, every chance she could, using her unique origins to her political advantage, something Obama has thus far failed at. And by the way, LV-426 is officially a US territory (same as the Panama Canal zone, where John McCain was born), so that should put to rest any questions about her nation of origin. Clearly, the host whose chest she burst out of was an American citizen.

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 5:01 p.m. CST

    braindrain

    by Billy_D_Williams

    first off, the alien in the first movie was not a queen...second, how it could it possibly know Ripley was going to destroy the ship unless it was extremely intelligent...if the alien is supposed to be just an animal, lets put it this way...if it had been a lion or whatever, it wouldn't know what the fuck Ripley was doing with the computer; it would have stayed on board and been blown to bits...so the alien is clearly smarter than an "animal"...it displays clear signs of superior intelligence throughout the film, leading me to believe it takes on the cognition of the host (beside the point). also, an animal wouldn't know the first thing about an escape pod, or to hide in one because the ship was about to blow up, which it couldn't have known in the first place unless it was extremely intelligent...even the velociraptors from Jurassic Park wouldn't have known that...they were intelligent, but that intelligence was limited to hunting and opening doors...the alien clearly knew what Ripley was doing, meaning it knew what the computer...how can an animal possibly know that?

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST

    braindrain

    by Billy_D_Williams

    instinct is a misnomer...instinct does not tell a creature details about something it cannot know unless it had inside knowledge...instinct couldn't tell the alien a)there was an escape pod, b)where it was on the ship, c)that the ship was about to blow up (the lights and smoke could have been some sort of cleaning for all it knew)...my point is, you cannot make the vague suddenly specific...the only way for this creature to know what Ripley was doing and what the escape pod was and where it was located is if it took on the cognition of Kane and/or was intelligent enough to know the systems/functions of the ship, which really is not possible from a creature that is barely a few hours old (no matter how large)...intelligence cannot grow that rapidly. the point is, the alien's intelligence clearly comes from somewhere else and is established in the first movie, so all the bitching about the queen in the sequel is misplaced...Cameron was merely following the logic of the first movie.

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    billy_d_williams good points.the alien taking a nap

    by KilliK

    in the escape pod in A1 is very far stretched similarly to A2 where the Queen hides in the dropship as if she knows that eventually she will arrive in a bigger ship. and these actions require both intellect and knowledge to happen: sure you might be smart enough to understand that something bad is going to happen to Nostromo,but how the hell do you arrive to the escape pod and take a nap BEFORE someone else has gone there? how do you know what an escape pod is and where to find it? the same goes with the Queen.you are aboard in the dropship and are smart enough to control your anger and patiently wait to attack your target.But how on earth do you know what a dropship is and what does it do? how do you know that your wait will eventually end and you are not in reality trapped forever in that confined space? in the case when the aliens cut off the lights in the base,we can safely assume that they gained the knowledge of what an electric cable is and what does it do by their experience during the invasion of the colony.you can suspend your disbelief here easily. the same goes with the elevator.the Queen sees what Ripley did and used the elevator and mimics the same thing.it is not far fetched what she did. but taking a nap in a escape pod while the main ship is going to explode,or waiting in stealth mode in a small room inside a small dropship like a stowaway well those are things which require something more than just intellect.

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST

    mattman i always assumed that the Queen can survive

    by KilliK

    in deep space.it makes her ending more horrifying.

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 7:15 p.m. CST

    good lord killik...tb's like u BLOW my mind...

    by jay2517

    what i will NEVER get is how u fuckers ALWAYS contribute "modern day" science/earth bound situations to fucking MADE UP MOVIE SCI-FI/TV lol. u know why shit happens that way in the Alein universe sci-fi movies? because thats how an Alien Queen/alien drone reacts ok? it is CLEARLY shown that they have a vast intelligence and have survived for "thousands of years". u think they got that way because of no adaptability? no ability to reason? that in itself proves inherent intelligence regardless of host. if for nothing else the movies (just the first 2) have proven that no matter what the alien is a resourceful bitch...

  • Feb. 26, 2011, 7:22 p.m. CST

    microbes have survived for thousands of years

    by KilliK

    that doesnt mean that they know what a toilet is.

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Holy crap, this is still going on?

    by D.Vader

    EMBRACE the power of the TALKBACKERS, and *not* the power of the editors of AICN. The strength lies within us for interesting and intellectual cinematic conversations, *not* them.

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 2:50 a.m. CST

    So stoked for this film

    by Marat

    ...As long as it has a connection to Alien.

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 3:28 a.m. CST

    braindrain

    by Shan

    I actually found the theatrical version of Aliens was better paced IMO. Cutting all of the material with the colonists actually added to the mystery and unease about their disappearance.

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 4:05 a.m. CST

    the real question is

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    is nordling on crack? this piece is contradictory to his previous alien column. anyways. theres some more casting news. some peeps i never heard of and am too lazy to look up. hey Nordster how bout hooking up some photos?

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 5:11 a.m. CST

    darth_kong do you take drugs?

    by KilliK

    or you are simply crazy by birth?

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Darth Kong

    by ihatetalkbacks

    Whats your point? Bosses are never very nice. People do not often like them. When people do some thing wrong or the way the boss does not like it they often get the hair dryer treatment. Of course all film making is commerce. We live in a capitalist society. Every one in every profession gets exploited. I work in TV post in London. The amount of unpaid over time, unpaid work experience, contracts that are now 6 days for 5 days pay, training on the job on a no fail straight to transmition is increasing. A lot of people just leave the industry. Pay is not rising to match the costs clients are paying. Nights, weekends and flexible shifts are the norm. Multiple platforms, tape/tapeless workflows, increased expectations and stupider clients are all over working people here. We all got into the job knowing what it wsa like though. We all got our jobs with our eyes open and can go work some where else if we need to - much as it pains me to say it with my left wing ideals. Corman was making no frills films with little budget and little profit. I bet the atmosphere was tense. Stop being a c0ck tease and tell people who the little blue men are...we all want to know! ;)

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 6:29 a.m. CST

    ihatetalkbacks

    by Neil Harrison

    Yes, 2 out of 7 crew members in the mighty Alien film are English. But apparently, future penal colonies will be over 90% staffed or inhabited by the English. Shouting 'wanker!' at each other. WTF. It's like some kinda odd Porridge meets Alien hybrid...ridiculous. Couldn't they have imported more actors from overseas?? Not necessarily just the US either.

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 7:03 a.m. CST

    darth_kong = american version of Liakopoulos

    by KilliK

    yeap

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 7:06 a.m. CST

    The Queen was a rat leaving a sinking ship.

    by UGG

    a very intelligent rat too. They will find any hole to squeeze through to get off in time. And as it's the future I always assumed the lift's were on automatic anyway as the place was falling apart. A sort of default mode.

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Also about my earlier "no other Alien life form" question

    by UGG

    I watched part's of Aliens the other night. I caught Ripley's interrogation by the company near the start. One woman says something along the lines of "you came across an orginism not once found in over 300 surveyed systems" So yea I guess that could mean there is maybe other types of life found. But I get the feeling there is no fully evolved advanced alien race that humans have made contact with in this universe either.

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 7:46 a.m. CST

    darth - eh???

    by ihatetalkbacks

    What are you going on about? Kabbala is looking for messages in the bible. they use computers now to find the hidden messages that are depicted through patterns of letters. Apparently tey found a message that Yitzhak Rabin would be killed - too bad it was after the event. They tried the same thing with another book too. Moby Dick. It also had lots of messages hidden in it. They are all fantasy though. they are there because the human brain can link up non connected events in an abstract way. I am not blinkered. I just dont think there are any hidden messages in those films. You can find them in the family orientated Akiva Golsman produced films. You can see them in the L Ron Hubbord written Scientologist starring John Travolta film Battle Field Earth as a bit of propoganda. You really saying that those films have hidden messages? Films are made by committee and a group effort. They will have no more message than that of prevailing societies norms and values. Any way I was asking who funded Corman. You were teasing us. You seemed to suggest it was either the mob aliens, masons or sentient robots...

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Darth - metaphores

    by ihatetalkbacks

    Patlabour The Movie has a character calleed E Hoba - Jehova. He has a badge that is 666 and buiklds and Ark that makes robots go mad. It was made by a Japanese Christian, a group that has been persecuted in history. Is this a warning that the Japanese are the anti christ? Should we fear all Shinto Bhudists? Or should we fear 30 foot bipedal robots? For centuries humanity has like religeous alegory. It does not mean there is a hidden message in it. If there are messges are they one un ified message? What is it? Why canm you say it but no one else can, why does a newspaper not print it if you can write it on a public message board. Is Harry a freemason that will censor you?

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Re: ihatetalkbacks

    by SK229

    Is it that bad in London too? I'm an editor in New York and unless you're working directly for a big network, the proliferation of small companies run by producers who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground and think editors they're paying less than industry standard can perform miracles is SICKENING. It just keeps getting worse and worse... don't know about over there, but over here it's directly linked to reality television. There are more jobs than ever, but all of these companies expect you to know 10 different programs and do everything perfectly and it's impossible. What's funny is that on craigslist now, people will actually post funny responses to ads asking for the impossible or mocking their pay. People are just fed up at this point. I walk away from at least 2-3 offers per month cause they're so ridiculous. Meanwhile, the people who do ONE thing well, and that's edit quickly and tell a story and be able to score their scenes can get top dollar and never even have to deal with it. The problem is if you're somewhere in the middle trying to get to where those people are. You have to go through the hell of these smaller production companies who have no idea what can reasonably be achieved in a day by one editor. And the funny thing is, they'll just keep beating their head against the wall and hiring the same people because they know they're wrong but won't ever admit it and funnel some money going into the owner's pockets back into the actual production feeding those pockets. I used to worry that I couldn't do what they were asking, now I'm like, "You know what, you put yourself in this mess, I'm gonna do the best I can and if it's not good enough, then go find someone who can... and by the way, the person who can won't also do the graphics and the sound mix and you'll have to pay them 30% more money." And I just keep getting hired. I'm even an asshole when they fuck with my pay now and it seems to be the only thing they respond to. But now I've kind of found a low-stress niche at a very big cable network and the pay is higher than anywhere else. It's not as creative as those gigs I mentioned, where you really have to pull a rabbit out of a hat all the time and it's great for your reel, but I don't even give a shit anymore... I'll just take the big checks and work on my sci-fi short in the meantime.

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Why are fun films to come?

    by High_Guy

    Why does it always feel like the fun movies are to come in the future and never in the present time?

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Re: mentaldominance

    by SK229

    Actually, the show I'm working on now (it's an animated show with, ya know... actual writing) I think is very good/clever for the age group it's aimed and it's entertaining. It's just that my part of the job is more technical than it would usually be, but it's fine with me because the stress level is MUCH lower than on a typical reality show, which really take every ounce of energy I have and leave me with absolutely nothing at the end of the day and as a zombie on the weekend... when I'm not working weekends. I agree with you 100% regarding your music that real creativity/true art takes time to evolve. And that's kind of why I don't even bother trying to be creative with 'work work' anymore. I'm making enough money on this job that I can have off quite a few days per month to pursue this sci-fi short film that I'm writing and directing. With that, I haven't rushed anything... as a matter of fact, I'm even accused of being 'too slow' by the some of the FX people helping out... and they usually always want MORE time. But this might be the only chance I have to get that kind of control over something and can make sure every decision is one I feel comfortable with or that I've thought everything through. That takes time, like you said. Do you ever go into the zone? I never do, but I just created a login there as well. I'd love to know what kind of soundtrack music you do and to talk shop somehow.

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST

    i bet National Treasure REALLY blows kongs mind...

    by jay2517

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Alien was pitched as Jaws in space

    by Clarence_Boddickers_Optometrist

    by Ridley Scott I believe, to make it more palatable to all the idiot movie execs. It, along with Aliens, are pinnacles of their genres. If I'm feeling charitable, Alien 3 can be viewed as an interesting, failed experiment. I don't particularly care for the direction it took-it's one of those movies that make you think of what coulda been with all the potential ideas and scripts that were passed over, although there is some merit in previous tbr's claims that people don't like it because it wasn't Aliens Part II-that would have been a mistake, too. I do think Sigourney Weaver, a fine actress, does share some blame with Alien 3, but especially with the shite that is Alien Resurrection. I recall her snubbing the idea of the first AVP film when it came out, but some credibility is lost when she partook in Resurrection-really a bleak bastard-child of a sequel. Also, didn't she make some outlandish claims to Cameron during Aliens? Like she wanted to "make love to an Alien" in one of the versions? Here's hoping Promotheus washes some of the bad taste out of our collective mouths...

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Doesnt matter to me

    by GuruOfFunk

    I dont care if they are or they arent i'll be there opening day regardless.

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 5:32 p.m. CST

    sk299

    by ihatetalkbacks

    I can only talk about what I know from my experience and friends and what those above me say. i work for a very good post company, am secure and have good interesting shows. Pay is strictly average though. I am not an editor but do assist and know a few platforms. Generally over time at any company is not paid, contracts stipulate over time now particularly in production. Shifts will change day to day and you are contactable 24 hours a day. Buy outs are more common for free lance staff ,with the exception of editors people are not getting the pay they did 5 years ago. "Fix it in post" happens far too often. The multitude of producers, execs and commisioners has increased with more and more cooks spoiling the broth. There are a lot of talented people.... and a lot of stupid people. I have decided that security is better than trying for better money at a less secure company. Many have gone under over here and some that have survived have had 20% pay cuts across the board. People starting out have to live with their parents now to survive, as post is very London cenrtic only a certain type now applys for jobs. The tech we now have where I work is phenominal though. Where I am people like each other and it is a lot better at some of the old behemoths were every department hates each other. There seems to be a cycle where all companies have murged recently, in 5 / 10 years it may swing back to smaller more agile companies with maybe 20 staff that have just started up.

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST

    SK - some of the usual classics:

    by ihatetalkbacks

    "We need it compact enought to email but perfect quality" "I know it does it real time but can you spead it up" "Can we see it before it downloads" "Whats a digicut?" "We need more drive space but you cannot delete any thing" "The camera man said he recorded it" "Well can you just do the one you think it is" "Whats colour space?" "Well it should just work"

  • Feb. 27, 2011, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Are the "Aliens" telepathic?

    by Jake Pantlin

    I believe that in the old Dark Horse comics, it was suggested that the Aliens had some form of telepathy. The Alien has an elongated skull that both houses a massive brain and a complex array of sensors. In the "Earth War" comics, the Alien Queens had acute telepathic and empathic abilities, and could meld to the minds of humans during the Earth infestation. I don't know if this idea was going to play out in the movies, or if was just the comics, but it would help to explain how they know to do things, like stow away in escape pods and drop ships. Maybe they can get a glimpse of where the humans are heading by reading their minds on a basic level.

  • Feb. 28, 2011, 1:50 a.m. CST

    Something bothering me about Aliens

    by Mon

    Interesting discussions on "Aliens 3". Makes me want to rewatch it because last time I saw the film I remember being disappointed. I saw Alien and Aliens again, and there is no doubt that both films are classics to me. I started to rewatch Aliens 4 but didn't finish it because it just wasn't good (But the scene where the Betty opens its door to reveal the whole crew was cool). The reason why I registered is to ask you guys about Aliens. This has always bothered me ever since I recently saw the director's cut. I don't know if this has been discussed before in director commentaries, tb's, or what..just point it out if it was already addressed. Why is there no flight crew on the Sulaco? If it's automated, why didn't they leave someone behind in case of emergencies? If they could remotely control the small ship, they could easily send a distress call to whoever is left behind on the Sulaco, then that person can call for more help or pick the survivors up himself.

  • Feb. 28, 2011, 5:30 a.m. CST

    don't rewatch Aliens 3 lol it doesnt get any better

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    all the Aliens 3 fanboys are numb-skulls.

  • Feb. 28, 2011, 7:40 a.m. CST

    I interned with Ridley Scott

    by D.Vader

    It wasn't that weird.

  • Feb. 28, 2011, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Re: MentalDominance and ihatetalkbacks

    by SK229

    Mental, I just PM'd you through the zone. I don't even know if that sends like an alert email or whatever, so hopefully you see this. Would be interested to hear your scoring. Re: ihatetalkbacks Yeah, I'm actually WAY into security now, especially since the wife and I might have a little one on the way before year's end. For the time being, I have that, and don't really have a desire to strike back out and work on different projects every other month or so. Your usual one-liners made me laugh... I've heard every single one ESPECIALLY "well I know we got that bite/shot/insert, I was there." Yes, but the fucking camera man wasn't POINTED IN THAT DIRECTION. You were there, but you didn't have the camera on your shoulder, did you? Like it's my fault that this shot mysteriously disappeared when it never existed in the first place. Also, the one about emailing files too. I also agree about too many cooks in the kitchen. How could I not agree, it's a fact, right? Editors get notes sometimes where you literally aren't sure if they're joking or serious. There are unfortunately a ton of morons working in the entertainment industry. There ARE a lot of smart people too, but I'm finding them less and less. There's just a lot of insecurity and extremely low self-esteem that then gets projected onto every decision and it leads to a lot of power tripping for no good reason. Frustrating, cause it isn't brain surgery, right? But yeah, the only way, if you're already making a living in entertainment but not fulfilled, is to go out and make your own film and make sure it kicks lots of ass. Nothing less than that will do. Then you can build that wall around yourself, as people like Christopher Nolan do, where you have a team in place that works well together and you can remain passionate about the stuff you're working on. What the hell happened to Cinematic Shrimp? I was really hoping they'd continue that... man... if you want someone to curate, I'll gladly do it for free at this point. I watch tons of shorts online anyway, and am constantly checking for the best stuff. I thought you guys were on the right track, and I'd have loved to see interviews with people like that guy who did The Raven or this latest one 'Modern Times' with the Chaplin film projected onto the surface of the moon.

  • March 1, 2011, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Hey D.Vader...good to see you are still around

    by southafricanguy

    Hows things going dude?

  • March 1, 2011, 4:34 a.m. CST

    Hey Turd, whats up dude? It looks like you are

    by southafricanguy

    having to inject reason and logic into the awsome discussions going on here as always. I too cannot understand why some assholes have to attempt to discredit and shit all over Alliens in some pathetic attempt to make Alien look better. How many times does it have tobe pointed out that Alien is one of the best horror films ever made, while Aliens is one of the best action films ever made. The genius of what Cameron did was to make a sequal so different that to make comparisons is a waste of time. They are both great..plain and simple. Which one you prefer simply depends on your individual tastes.... Aliens is my favoriter film, I am simply more of a fan of its mix of sci-fi, balls out action, and horror. And really, why choose between Scott and Cameron? They are both great, and are both awsome at doing their own particular thing....

  • March 1, 2011, 9:27 a.m. CST

    @garthkillswayne

    by Valaquen

    The Nostromo was fully automated too. Humans are just tools in this universe, they don't have much control. If you're interested in Alien and Aliens then check out my articles on them here: www.alienseries.blogspot.com

  • March 2, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Dude, that's actually a cool site ^

    by orcus

    Orcus approves