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Wolfgang Petersen To Start An OLD MAN'S WAR!
Nordling here.
I haven't read OLD MAN'S WAR by John Scalzi, but in reading the synopsis online I'm probably going to have to pick this up as soon as I can. The novel, nominated for a 2006 Hugo Award, is about John Perry, a writer who basically signs away his DNA for use by the Colonial Defense Forces, his wife having passed away some years before. When he turns 75 the Forces transfer his mind into a new body, genetically enhanced with his DNA with super strength and sense acuity, and joins the CDF as a kind of super-soldier. In this future the universe is highly populated and finding areas to colonize is becoming exceedingly difficult, so multiple battles erupt when humans and aliens try to spread their civilizations to other worlds.
During his deployment John comes across a woman who looks uncannily like his wife, but now younger and also with enhanced abilities. Turns out his wife also signed up for duty, but she has no memory of John or her past life, and John vows to get back with her no matter the cost. The synopsis reads as hard science fiction, fairly epic in scope, with battles, faster-than-light travel, and many alien races.
According to Deadline, Paramount has bought the rights to the novel, and has attached Wolfgang Petersen to direct, and David Self (THE ROAD TO PERDITION) to write the screenplay. I'll have to track this book down, along with the three other books in the series, which Paramount grabbed along with the first book. There's so many great science fiction novels out there that, with today's effects technology, could easily be adapted to screen, when in years before it would have been extremely difficult to do. Even Roland Emmerich is going after Asimov's FOUNDATION series and those books were considered unfilmable for years. I'm encouraged by this and I hope to see more great science fiction books scooped up as opposed to the deluge of teen novel adaptations we've been getting recently. The battles sound huge, and while the story spans a wide universe, I like that in the end it's about a man looking for his lost love. We'll likely be following this one closely.
Nordling, out.
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The guy made one perfect masterpiece of a film in DAS BOOT but there's just no counting on the guy.
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get Paul Verhooven to direct and set it in the Starship troopers verse. or better yet have this super solidier be malcolm renolds and his wife is Zoe.....brown coats forever
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That was perfection for a childrens film right there. They sure as hell don't make them like that anymore.
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with the transfer of mind to another body in the future.
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Captain Americavatar!
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I thought this was a fan site for Justin Beiber?
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Don't forget "In The Line Of Fire". That was a real classic of it's genre. Anyway, I wouldn't worry, I'm sure Harry will just fall asleep during it, just like he did with Inception.
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Again, In The Line Of Fire. And NES *does* hold up. It's you that doesn't.
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Was made long after Old Man's War was written. In fact, I would say that Avatar lifted ideas from Old Man's War. In any event, I have read all three books and these will make fantastic movies if done right.
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...and always wondered why it was not made into a movie. Great story line.
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WP had Ender's Game in limbo for years, don't hold your breath on this one getting out.
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Makes a LOT of crappy movies.
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If any of you haven't read this book, GET IT NOW. It's brisk, funny, and NEEDS to be a movie.
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What, McG was busy? Brett Ratner said no? A masterpiece of intelligent epic sci-fi and they get Roland "how will we destroy the White House this time?" Emmerich? That's it, I quit.
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...so, they're going NC-17 with this, right? Right?
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Old Man's War is a great book and should have been optioned years ago - Scalzi deserves this. That said, not sure about WP.
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'Bad Lieutenant: PofC New Orleans.' Terrific film. His best since 'Grizzly Man.'
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That's Herzog, not Petersen. Huh... maybe Das Boot is Petersen's last good movie. It sure wasn't Troy. Or Air Force One.
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Feb. 24, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST
Nordling, do you understand what "hard science fiction" actually means?
by TheNothing
Scalzi's a great writer and a pretty cool dude to hang with, but faster-than-light travel, alien races, and mind transfers do not = hard sci-fi. Maybe do a little reading before posting.
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The "Island In The Sea Of Time" trilogy - SM Stirling ... sci-fi and epic 1250BC battles to boot. "Night's Dawn" trilogy from Peter F. Hamilton...epic space opera combined with the dead returning. Pandora's Star from Peter F. Hamilton...excellent first-contact/interplanetary war combined with permanent wormholes enabling rail commuting between planets. Ilium/Olympos from Dan Simmons...the siege of Troy as a massive game, Greek gods, sentient robots, Eloi-like humans clues to it all...excellent movie potential.
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Feb. 24, 2011, 9:57 a.m. CST
A great novel, will be a great flick.... but the series gets shitty with book 2
by Bunger!
like so many sci-fi greats (Ender's Game leaps to mind), the initial book is great, a page-turner with a substantial and cohesive scif-fi universe underpinning the action, and an edge of humor. The sequels are contrived and strain at the insight and relevency of the first one, largely by trying to incorporate the same characters and make it a family drama. The sex scene when all the soliders first wake up in their new, young, enhanced bodies will be badass.
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While I can't speak for Harry's opinions on films, Inception was indeed snore-worthy (I fell asleep twice trying to get through it on DVD). It the first film that I have ever seen about dreams, and navigating them, that somehow had all the wonder drained out of it; instead they exist exclusively as places where our subconscious baggage makes itself known in the most literally fashion possible. I don't know about Chris Nolan, but I have never had a dream as dull as Inception (which is not to criticize the look and Nolan's storytelling abilities, though the pacing was a bit off) Speaking of Chris Nolan, he's done the same with Batman. Taken a character whose origins are in comic books, and robbed him of all wonder and that mysterious, inspirational stuff that made me interested in comics in the first place (though admittedly I have always been primarily a Marvel fan). From my perspective, as clownish as the Batman television series was, it at least engaged my inner twelve-year-old, something none of Chris Nolan's films can seem to do (though Memento didn't either, though it was not supposed to). Inception reminded me most of all of the original Matrix film, if you take away its heart, that is.
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I completely disagree. Book 2 was a great look into the special forces and was just as good as book one. Jane had a great story, watching her deal her new found humanity as she was getting to know John, and through him the woman who she was cloned from. Dealing with a man who was cloned from a traitor, and just waiting for him to turn. Book three was more political than the other 2 but still just as good.
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Very entertaining book. And yes, it screams to be a movie. We haven't had an original big sf film in a long time.
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and we're not going to get one from a book adaptation
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This book is so much fun. Really liked the others in the series, as well. It could potentially be a fantastic summer movie.
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Feb. 24, 2011, 11:48 a.m. CST
Holy crap I just picked this up from the library on a whim
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
and finished it a week ago. I have to run, but just to let you know they will need Avatar level technology to give it the impact of the badassery that it is. This book is killer, and a must read.
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Ha! True but hey it could be a good adaptation.
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It's an enjoyable read! I wouldn't call it hard science fiction though. Scalzi tried to write a SF novel that his mother-in-law could enjoy (you know, one those old biddies that watch Star Trek and say "What's that on his head?") Scalzi puts a lot of funny shit into his stories too. There are times reading it that I laughed out loud. My one criticism is that some of his aliens, or descriptions of the aliens that the Colonial Defense Force fought were sort of uninspired (flying squirrel people, WTF). That's an aspect of the book that I hope special effects will improve the story. It's sort of a cross between Starship Troopers, Avatar, Surrogates and that old Twilight Zone episode "The Trade-ins" which is about an elderly couple trading in their old bodies for new, young ones. Give it a tumble.
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I agree, dkt. I just finished the second book in this series, called "The Ghost Brigades," and holy crap, the punch-you-in-the-face characterizations and action sequences are insane. Full scale ship-mounted rail guns, anyone? Planetary drops into profanity-laden hardcore blood and guts violence? A tenuous universe with hundreds of seriously wacko aliens, ALL of whom are fighting each other and humanity to extinction for resources? It's pretty fucking crazy. John Scalzi is an excellent writer, in my opinion, and he takes you from a familiar Earth, not too far in the future, all the way to the heart of a frightening, real-feeling, R-rated war for existence being waged with uncompromising brutality on all sides. I've never read anything quite like it. David Self is a fabulous choice for the film's screenwriter, but I worry a little about Wolfgang Petersen. I hope he's up for it. One important thing: this film absolutely SHOULD NOT be rated anything less than R. The book was violent as hell, profanity laden from cover to cover, and embellished in full-on sex and orgies that were funny and just part of the normal flow of John Perry's story. Don't fucking PG-13 this shit. Please. No one will like the film if you do.
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Feb. 24, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST
Sounds like a good book and a potentially good Movie too
by Arcangel2020
I have really liked most of Wolfgang Peterson's work, I think he is a terrific Director...but has he ever done any Sci Fi stuff before? This novel sounds like a very interesting storyline and definitely something I too need to pickup and read in the very near future. The movie sounds like it could very well be a very cool movie if it is done right in the future. The one thing that absollutely "horrified" me in this article? The mention of Roland Emmerich doing Issac Asimov's classic "Foundation" series!! Ye Gods, Man! I shudder to think of that guy getting his grubby mits on and making the "Foundation" series into Movies! I am betting it would be like when David Lynch ruined "Dune" when he made that shit pile of celluloid garbage (I am a big Dune fan) and whoever was responsible for that equally shitty version of "I Robot" that came out several years back with Will Smith in it (I bet Sir Assimov was turning over in his grave when that crappy movie of one of his alltime classics was realeased!!)
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That is all.
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Goodbye Asshole.
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Unlike most others on this talkback, I didn't find the book particularly inventive or engaging. It's basically a rehash of The Forever War, to diminishing returns. It's highly episodic, almost picaresque. As others have mentioned, many, if not most, of the alien races are decidedly cartoonish. Think the silliest members of the Green Lantern Corp. And the third-act turns into a digressive and ultimately unfulfilling soap opera. Don't get me wrong. There's the potential for some fantastic set pieces. In fact, you could almost storyboard the film by playing select scenarios from Halo. But the screenwriter will need to find a strong emotional throughline to craft a unified narrative. This is one of those cases where, given the right treatment, the film could be better than the book. My hope is they retain the lead's sardonic wit and as others have noted, don't chaw the book's hard military violence into PG-13 pablum.
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Feb. 24, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST
Do not Starship Troopers this. Don't take a great original
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
book, and turn it to crap.
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War is hell, so was the book.
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for some reason, although I've heard of it of course, I've never gotten around to reading it. I know I should. Oh, and Nordling needs to put spoiler warnings in. Sheesh, he just blew like the first 40 pages of the book.
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regular soldiers with green complexions. They're not Hulk sized, they're more like Captain Americanized. No weirder than blue aliens in Avatar.
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I hear you with your criticisms of the book, ultraman2000: you thought the aliens in "Old Man's War" were "decidedly cartoonish." If I might present a different viewpoint: I thought they were compelling and decidedly un-cartoonish. In fact, I thought this was one of the book's strong points. Yes, there were several different aliens the CDF had to fight, but given each civilization's short introduction time, I though every species was differentiated and very well-conceived. All the way from ritualistic war singing, to an entire city of ten-inch-tall architecture, to a frighteningly advanced politics-is-everything mindset, I though Scalzi did an excellent job of not just differentiating his species, but making them compelling enough to care about and want to see again. I have no idea how any of this might play out in a movie.
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Feb. 24, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST
It was funny when the Lovecraft aliens were peaceful
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
and the timid deer people weren't. I loved how the recruit orientation was trying to get them over their pre-conceived prejudices.
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I was thinking it sounds like a combo of Forever War and Altered Carbon.
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Wolfgang Peterson directed a sci-fi film in the mid 80's called Enemy Mine. I really enjoyed it. It is not as iconic as Robocop or Aliens or any of the really big 80's sci-fi films, but it is pretty damn good and highly underrated in my opinion.
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Geez, I thought he was going to make Whitley Strieber's "The Grays". Chances are this new one will never get made either.
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I actually had a discussion with another talkbacker a few years ago when the disturbing trend of remakes was just beginning. The size and scope of these books are enticing to think of as eye candy on screen, but Nordling hit the nail on the head when he simplified the basic premise-a man looking for the love of his life...
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If you liked Old Man's War, then you should definitely check out The Forever War. Both books share some similarities, but I'd say Old Man's War is more flat out entertaining and fun, while The Forever War is more innovative and profound, but still an enjoyable read all together. If I had to list my favorite science fiction novels, I'd say The Forever War has a spot reserved in the top three. Old Man's War is awesome though. I finished that one off pretty quickly. Definitely a page turner. I hope the movie is good and doesn't deviate too far from the novel. I guess all we can do now is wait and see. And can I just say that Old Man's War getting a big Hollywood film adaptation is such great news after all the hackened "versus" and "tweeny bopper" crap films in addition to the endless remake/reboot/re-vomit movie announcements and releases of the past year? Who's with me?
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Read them all furiously when I got my Kindle, and was not disappointed. I still haven't read Zoe's Tale, but I'm sure it's also good. I hope Petersen has the cojones to pull this off.
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Feb. 24, 2011, 2:06 p.m. CST
"Geez, I thought he was going to make Whitley Strieber's "The Grays". Chances are this new one will never get made either. "
by ravenloff
He could make W.S.'s "Warday" but that might be a tad dated at this point. So, if the original book, which I've not read, is supposed to be an allegory for the Bush presidency, does it stop at that or does it push off into moonbat territory?
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Feb. 24, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST
@korkie70: "get Paul Verhooven to direct and set it in the Starship troopers verse"
by torgosPizza
Are you fucking high?
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Is a pretty amazingly epic, hard scifi trilogy. Zoe's Tale is kind of a one-off that still takes place in the series but is not quite as good as the other three. All of them are worth reading, for sure, and are some of my favorite sf novels - but I'm still holding out hope that Ridley Scott will show an interest in doing the Takeshi Kovacs series, starting with Altered Carbon. Quite possibly my favorite hard-boiled sf novel ever.
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military sci-fi in a VERY long time. Belongs on the bookshelf with Armor, Starship Troopers, and Forever War.
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If Ridley wanted to do something similar in tone and feel to Blade Runner again, then I agree, Altered Carbon and its sequels would be great for him to take a look at. If not Ridley, then I nominate David Fincher as an alternate choice to adapt the Takeshi Kovacs books.
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So they're kind of like the blue-skinned Genetic Infantrymen in 'Rogue Trooper'?
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that news is getting old. Hollywood has no originality left.
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just skimming this earlier. Ever hear of spoiler warnings Nordling?
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The question to me is can you make the concept work effectively? Starship Troopers was itself a mix of All Quiet on the Western Front and (in its updated production) Aliens. Whereas I have not read Old Man's war, it sounds to be conquering a variety of very tried and true anxieties expressed in sci-fi, but with other genres mixed in. The plot sounds compelling and I just might give it a whirl.
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Feb. 24, 2011, 11:09 p.m. CST
Only reason this got greenlit was due to AVATAR's success
by zillabeast
They saw a chance to cash in on a story that shared some common traits, and walla!
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It's true, zillabeast, that "Old Man's War" is moving ahead largely because of the success of "Avatar." The epic scope, military operations, and mass-scale battles are things both stories share. But the thing is, that's fine. Wolfgang Petersen worries me as a director, I'll admit, due to his hamfistedness on recent projects. But if he gets his shit together at all for "Old Man's War," I'd very interested to see where it might go. David Self writing the screenplay gives me a good amount of confidence, since he wrote "Road to Perdition," one of my favorite films of all time. "The Wolfman" wasn't so great, I'll admit, but Self seems to have only touched up certain passages of that story, which Joe Johnston sort of misdirected with an un-scary flow. Anyway, I'm as skeptical as the next movie guy when it comes to interpretations of science fiction. "Avatar" may have paved the way for something interesting and pretty fucking kickass, however, on the military science fiction front. I hope they keep the film focused and character-driven, two elements that drove the book into modern classic territory. We'll see, I guess. I'll need to hear more as this progresses.
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was pretty dang good. saaaaaaammisss!
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I'm sorry what I said about your Mickey Mouse.
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There should have been massive spoiler warnings.
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There I was thinking that Avatar's success meant this book would never get to the big screen. I'm afraid those unfamiliar with the book will just label the film as an Avatar rip-off and that will be bad news. Whoever mentioned Hamilton's "Pandora's Star" and it's sequel is dead on, that would make a terrific and original couple or three movies.
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Feb. 25, 2011, 9:02 a.m. CST
Hmmm, a very good point. It's not a ripoff but
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
the assumption will be there. The book came out in 2005 or 06 if I recall from the copyright date. Sure it was before Avatar, but still. I mean I just read it like two weeks ago, so I had never heard of it.
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Old Man's war is great, but ARMOR is a masterpiece. Probably too manly to make into a movie these days...
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People, the book was published in 2006.
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Feb. 25, 2011, 11:50 a.m. CST
RE: its biggest flaw is the whole war with everybody theme
by Mike Albrecht
Covered in the third book, 'The Last Colony.' Has nobody linked to Scalzi's website? http://whatever.scalzi.com/
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Feb. 25, 2011, 7:02 p.m. CST
Whatever happened to Ridley Scott's The Forever War adapation
by DougMcKenzie
Is it going to be a movie or a mini-series? Is it ever going to happen at all?
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Feb. 26, 2011, 12:38 a.m. CST
Avatar is almost beat-for-beat taken from a 1957 short sci-fi story.
by dockealy
Call Me Joe by Poul Anderson, written in 1957. Almost identical, right down to the crippled soldier tele-controlling a large powerful body on an inhospitable planet who eventually leaves his empty shell behind and becomes his avatar. Story got no credit.
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a series of stories that had an ocean wide sentient bed of kelp that could download memories. Cameron smushed a bunch of sci-fi stories together with Pocohantas. Still, it's one hell of a good movie, though.
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a moron like Sam Worthington.
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Great story about a soldier who is killed in battle and is regenerated ala Groundhog Day until he gets it right.
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Feb. 26, 2011, 9:14 a.m. CST
dockealy, we're geeks. You don't need tell us Herbert
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
wrote Dune. Speaking of which I'd love a tv series of the Butlerian Jihad. It's too long for a movie.
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