Richard Kelly's Next To Be An Iraq Vet Drama
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Feb. 16, 2011, 9:09 p.m. CST
Feb. 16, 2011, 9:10 p.m. CST
Feb. 16, 2011, 9:44 p.m. CST
by Fa Fa Fooey
Feb. 16, 2011, 9:53 p.m. CST
by Nasty In The Pasty
I dunno if I understood it all, but the 70's atmosphere was intoxicating, and Frank Langella was superb.
Feb. 16, 2011, 9:57 p.m. CST
by Sean Shapiro
Richard Kelly needs to just stop.
Feb. 16, 2011, 10:09 p.m. CST
by Toe Jam
I watched it fully expecting it to be the garbage that most critics had labeled it, but was pleasantly surprised at how cool it was. Can't say the same for "Southland Tales," which was ... interesting ... but just not very good. Way too scatter-brained. This guy has some real talent. He just needs focus. This could be really good.
Feb. 16, 2011, 10:10 p.m. CST
Halfway through something weird will happen. Trust me. And it will involve water suspended in air somehow.
Feb. 16, 2011, 10:35 p.m. CST
by ass clown
Let's face it, Richard Kelly is following the formula that M Night Shyamalan used to a 'T.' He starts us off with the twisty, but well made 'Donnie Darko' which rivals 'The Sixth Sense' and then gradually gets worse with every movie he makes. M Night has really impressed with his ability to make his next movie worse than the last, but Richard Kelly seems to have the talent and grace to also make this happen. Was anyone else thrown off in Southland Tales by the nuclear attack in 2003 when the movie was released around 2004. I know this movie got held up in studio delay hell, but that kind of thing could have been fixed with a quick trip to the editing room. Richard Kelly's next film has to rival M Night's 'Signs' which I personally think was pretty damn awful so I say the stakes are high. I'm thinking if Richard Kelly goes and casts the whole Saturday Night Live group the way he did in Southland Tales, he really has a shot to repeat 'M Night' history. I just cant wait til we see what he makes to rival 'The Happening' cause that's gonna be tough to beat in a piece of shit contest.
Feb. 16, 2011, 11:28 p.m. CST
Can we have a movie where Iraq & Afghanistan vets aren't depicted as crazy? Seriously, it's just a lazy device for unimaginative writers. I understand that PTSD is a real problem for SOME vets, but most are perfectly well adjusted, productive members of society.
Feb. 16, 2011, 11:37 p.m. CST
Your next payday awaits, Mr Typecasto.
Feb. 16, 2011, 11:46 p.m. CST
i understand why people would hate it.. and im not trying to act all 'avant garde', but i loved it. loved the comic prequel, loved the far reaching scope. i enjoy big epic sci fi movies though... loved chronicles of riddick too.
Feb. 16, 2011, 11:51 p.m. CST
didn't like Southland on first viewing at all. but a 2nd viewing a couple years later was more enjoyable---You understand what's going on a lot more
by George Newman
You can understand the plot once you've gotten past the jarringly bizarre characters and sequences. The finale is the only thing that still doesn't make much sense. the political collisions and junk don't make any sense, but the 1st 3/4s of the thing are engaging.
Feb. 16, 2011, 11:52 p.m. CST
by George Newman
but after a couple years curiosity got the best of me and i watched it again. and now i ain't so negative
Feb. 16, 2011, 11:54 p.m. CST
with a "surprise, character X is in fact the messiah" ending. Is that what happened in Southland Tales? I can't be sure.
Feb. 17, 2011, 12:57 a.m. CST
Kelly is the fuckin man.
Feb. 17, 2011, 1:04 a.m. CST
by sam jacksons wig
...and are SOOOOOOOO last week.....
Feb. 17, 2011, 1:12 a.m. CST
college frat boy who got lucky.
Feb. 17, 2011, 1:13 a.m. CST
Donnie Darko was just this side of decent but Southland Tales was an abomination. Didnt see the Box. If I had to choose one adjective to describe his filmmaking it would be "masturbatory"--somehow he gets all these great actors (and a whole mess of half-forgotten others) complicit in his bullshit. How?
Feb. 17, 2011, 1:23 a.m. CST
It's like a fucked up Lynch sci-fi. but what do I know? You are reading the opinion of someone who has Happy Feet in his top ten.
Feb. 17, 2011, 2:40 a.m. CST
I like Donnie Darko. I know there are people who love the movie and think it's genius and all. It's a good movie, not a great movie. And for it being someone's first movie and being made with a smaller budget, it's a good start to a film career. Domino sucked balls and I don't know if that was Kelly's script or Tony Scott's fault. Maybe both. Southland Tales sounded like it was going to be a cool movie. I was actually looking forward to seeing it. Unfortunately it wasn't very good. I thought the casting was all wrong, the movie didn't know what it wanted to be. It was just too many ideas and they didn't all fit together. The Box was another movie that sounded good and even the trailer looked like it had promise, but the movie didn't work at all. If you listen to Richard Kelly's commentaries or listen to him talking about his movies, he seems like he's too smart for his own good. He does fall into that M. Night spectrum where he expects the audience to know what he's thinking. And when you do that, it doesn't usually end well. I'm not saying to talk down to an audience, but when you make a film (unlike a book), you need to make a movie people can follow and understand. A lot of people say that Inception is hard to follow and confusing, but I think Nolan did a great job laying out the groundwork of how it all works. You need to be a storyteller, not just a filmmaker. I thought The Box was going to be a movie that would be more commercial and help Richard Kelly build a wider audience. But it was far from that. Look at a movie like Let Me In. It was a movie that works on many levels. The Box couldn't decide what it wanted to be. I don't think we need anymore Iraq war movies. Because the synopsis is pretty vaugue and they are calling it a thriller, but not saying what the thriller element is, my guess is that it becomes some phychological thriller where the soldier goes crazy or something. Which makes me worried that Kelly is going to try to make a movie about reality bluring and once again he'll fall into his bad habit or making a movie that is too smart for his own good. I'm not expecting much from this movie. But I have to think that this is Kelly's last chance. I mean if he makes another movie no one wants to see, who would give him money again?
Feb. 17, 2011, 3:17 a.m. CST
by frank cotton
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Feb. 17, 2011, 3:32 a.m. CST
that DOMINO stank so bad. But no-one ever blames his SHITE script do they? No, it's always Scott to blame. I suppose that's fair. When a movie does well the director get's all the credit. The screenplay is rarely mentioned unless the director wrote it as well! Still. R.Kelly = overrated hack. Keep him away from the camera, keep him away from the crayons he writes with. Just.....keep him away from us all, please!
Feb. 17, 2011, 4:34 a.m. CST
Kurt Cobain is the pimpest motherfucker to ever live.
Feb. 17, 2011, 4:43 a.m. CST
(With all due respect to you who liked it and just go about your daily lives) I remember seeing that monstrosity of a movie. In which the Rock was the only watchable part. And then checking out the feedback on IMDB. Never have I read so man Comic Book Store Guys in one place. I especially loved the "you just don't get it" or "you needed to read the comic book first" a-holes. I'd argue that those of us who disliked the film got it all too well.
Feb. 17, 2011, 4:45 a.m. CST
and some moments alright enough, that i dont think its bad. The religos interpretation and 'mapping'is convolutedand hackneyed as shit, but also in this respect repeat viewings help that one alot i think, unlike the box. Not that it (ST) wasnt a mistep of sorts, it clearly was, but i dont think it deserves the shitfest bashing it gets for any other reason than coming of the back of Donnie Darko.<p>The Box was a major let down for me, as a Twilight Zone fan, and in general. But this sounds really interesting damnit!....so did 'The Box'...
Feb. 17, 2011, 4:45 a.m. CST
is what i meant to say
Feb. 17, 2011, 4:46 a.m. CST
I watched the Box too... again, hoping for some of that Darko magic. And when Cameron Diaz limped around, I joked to my wife "I bet she only has one toe" THEN, IN THE MOST REALISTIC SCHOOL SCENE EVER, SHE REMOVED HER SHOE TO REVEAL ONE TOE!!!! ONE TOE!!!! I hope the Iraqi war vet in his next movie has a similar condition.
Feb. 17, 2011, 4:58 a.m. CST
First time I didn't understand it. Second time I liked it more. Third time I realised what a badly paced, overblown pile of shit it is. There are some nice gimmicks and flourishes, but there's just too much going on, too many disparate sci-fi elements and very few of the cast seem to have any idea about their characters. When Sarah Michelle Gellar is the best thing in your movie you know it has problems. Soundtrack was cool tho
Feb. 17, 2011, 5:15 a.m. CST
If this guy worked more id have to kill myself. Such a hack.
Feb. 17, 2011, 5:50 a.m. CST
"Damn it man; this camel won't die on my watch"
Feb. 17, 2011, 6:05 a.m. CST
Comparing Southland Tales to anything he has done is an insult. And for the M. Knight Comparison, his second film was a pretty decent one about a superhero in a train wreck. Southland Tales was just a train wreck of a movie. How he got all those names to star in the film just confirms my suspicions that a lot of actors don't understand good scripts/concepts.
Feb. 17, 2011, 6:22 a.m. CST
I'm glad that there finally is a voice of originality in the movie industry, and that someone dares to touch the unexplored subject of Iraq!
Feb. 17, 2011, 7:33 a.m. CST
The comics and the movies. Its absurdly complex and even its faults are a part of the bloated two and a half hour experience of it all. The Box was his most personal film and it could have been great if he didn't let his love for the weird scifi portals get in the way. Shave 20 minutes from that bad boy and you've got a decent little twilight zone episode. Still, I'm glad that he aims high because that's rare in Hollywood.
Feb. 17, 2011, 8:12 a.m. CST
That'd be the only thing about this news that would make sense to me.
Feb. 17, 2011, 8:17 a.m. CST
and its a lie if you read anywhere it was origional music; he just pulled tracks from past albums! Great ones though, on 'Hotel': 'Overland' & 'Aerial', one of which is also used really effectively on that GTA 4 movie. <p>Still, 'Heat' was awesome all in its own right up till the final scene and credits
Feb. 17, 2011, 8:28 a.m. CST
do you think 'Walking Tall' is all about Iraq too?
Feb. 17, 2011, 8:30 a.m. CST
He even tried to sabotage his own movie with the director's cut of DD. That didn't bode well for any future projects and, voila, look at the shit he's produced since. Maybe Kelly's editor was the real talent behind DD...
Feb. 17, 2011, 8:43 a.m. CST
Feb. 17, 2011, 8:49 a.m. CST
I don't like Kelly though: South Land Tales is one of the worst. Simple and the length is unforgivable. Darko was alright. Nothing special. Plus, I wasn't aware the movie was in the 80s until someone told me. I thought he just liked 80s music. Seriously. The Box was very good but until the last 45mins or so and then went to complete shit.
Feb. 17, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST
Am I the only one who came away from that film with the inspiring message of "Hey kid, if you're clinically depressed and on some serious meds, everyone you know and love will have a much happier life if you just succumb to your miserable destiny and just fucking die already, because everything will just turn to shit if you continue to live"?
Feb. 17, 2011, 9:42 a.m. CST
Donnie Darko had the same impact on me as well. It was almost life changing in a way(yeah, I know that sounds lame). It just felt like it spoke directly to me and I watched the movie over and over again and didn't even care about what any of it meant, just how it made me feel. I just pretend I didnt listen to the directors cut commentary.
Feb. 17, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST
That's an interesting way to look at it. I actually got the impression he wasnt actually depressed and that everyone just misunderstood him. That was just my interpretation.
Feb. 17, 2011, 11:04 a.m. CST
by Thunderbolt Ross
What's different about it. I love Donnie Darko as is so never bothered. Southland Tales had a few good moments but mostly it was severely misguided. I didn't see The Box. I don't know, I think the jury's still out on Kelly.
Feb. 17, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST
What's great about it are all the different interpretations of what its all about: A hallucination brought on by drugs? A vision of an alternate future? God showing Donnie why he had to die? A heroic choice made by a weird super-hero? Its got style, its got an interesting plot, its captivating, and its such a weird blend of genres (80s film, science-fiction, dysfunctional family drama). Then the director's cut came out, which I just refuse to acknowledge.
Feb. 17, 2011, 11:46 a.m. CST
Any discernible talent. He is the perfect example of "failing upwards" in Hollywood.
Feb. 17, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST
First time I watched it I couldn't even finish it. Even though I've come to appreciate it more after repeat viewings, I can still admit that it's cheesy as hell, a lot of the dialogue is laughably bad and all the politically charged elements of it are way too on the nose. It's a mess of a film. But it's hugely ambitious. And I'm a sucker for ambitious filmmakers. And lost within all that is a compelling performance by Seann William Scott, a pretty interesting story about the nature of identity, and Justin Timberlake's awesome music video-esque sequence set to best part of All These Things That I've Done by The Killers.
Feb. 17, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST
I remember when I saw "Donnie Darko" in its original release, it stuck me as kind of a rip off of Gregg Araki's "Nowhere." In fact, James Duval even plays a character named "Dark" in "Nowhere" and his encounters with an alien (?) seemed similar to those of "Donnie Darkos" encounters with the Rabbit (which is, probably by no coincidence also played by James Duval). Anyway, food for thought. I enjoyed both of those movies as far as I remember. But its been awhile.
Feb. 17, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST
Though I enjoyed Donnie Darko...his other films have been made as i f he wrote the script in shorthand..he knew the story in and out..ignored the audience need to be able to follow something...cuz the Box made no sense whats so ever..it didn't even make David Lynch sense..it's like he cut out vital audience information because he knew the story...I did that once wrote a story I only understood only to look at it a month later and think to my self what the hell is going on. Plus the Box had a weird soft video look and the hd tv signals of old programs like whats happening bugged me..Rambling but Quantum of Solace was the same..the plot after figuring out what it was a few hours later due to incomprehensible editing (because the editors seemed to know the story and assumed the audience could follow it )was actually good..but execution left a lot to be desired.
Feb. 17, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST
Its been awhile since I've seen the directors cut so I can't really go into specifics but I think it was just a lot of expository stuff that was out of place. However...I do remember the commentary with Richard Kelly which was possibly the most depressing thing Ive ever put myself through. Not only does he explain a film which had ambiguity as one of its biggest appeals...but the "explanation" for all of the events if fucking stupid and lame and a lot of the cool character moments and scenes that gave the film its charm weren't intended to. Basically after watching the directors cut and listening to the commentary you immediately realize the film on screen isnt the film he was trying to make and made a great film completely by accident.
Feb. 17, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST
Anyone who can write an awesome line of dialogue like that can't be that bad. Darko was great, agreed the director's cut is far inferior, too much explanation. It would be like Lynch releasing a DC of Mulholland Dr. and expalining everything for you. Interpreting or figuring out the movie yourself is half the fun. Southland Tales was ambitious, but ultimately a failure for me, maybe it requires a second viewing? I actually enjoyed The Box and look forward to Kelly's future work. As far as the M Night comparison, I don't think his movies got progressively worse. The last couple were pretty bad, but I prefer Unbreakable and Signs(His best movie) to The Sixth Sense.
Feb. 17, 2011, 1:37 p.m. CST
I actually enjoyed the first half quite a bit, but then it went off the rails. The idea for the new one sounds promising. I'll reserve judgement comparing him to Meh.Night until I see it.
Feb. 17, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST
And I loved it,.... He may have killed some of your "ideas" of what was going on with the Dir Cut,....but it's still a helluva film. I think everyone just hates the abyss water tricks...which are just outta place.
Feb. 17, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST
That's an insult to M. Night. At least he's made a few good films. This clown hasn't done shit compared to him.
Feb. 17, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST
The DC felt way too bogged down and the alternate music Kelly picked totally killed a few of my favorite scenes. "Southland Tales"= flawed but not terrible. Pretty interesting cast too! Totally falls apart at the end. "The Box" = cool concept....HORRIBLE movie. Seriously, the worst movie I`ve seen in years.
Feb. 17, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST
Those are in the original cut of Donnie Darko, and the Director's cut. That's the person's "path" stretching out before them and Donnie had the power to see that happening.
Feb. 17, 2011, 4:16 p.m. CST
Seriously. I saw him at a Q+ A for the Box, munching away on pieces of toast...and saying "mmm, this is good" to himself. Naturally, I asked what the hell he was eating..and he said it was some new jelly spread that he was trying to sell.
Feb. 17, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST
It was Matheson's work, he just directed it (coughdirectorforhirecough). Southland Tales is what happens when someone is told they are a genius too often and they start to believe it.
Feb. 17, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST
Movies set in and about Iraq always do well. Who needs escapism...
Feb. 17, 2011, 6:34 p.m. CST
by Henry Fool
The theatrical cut of Donnie Darko was better than the director's cut. The DC actually had a lot of the same problems as Southland Tales, both films were preoccupied with trying to be profound instead of telling a story. Southland Tales was a horrible film.<br /> <br /> But when I first saw the original cut of Donnie Darko, I thought it was truly a brilliant film that was the debut of a major talent with an original voice. I hope Kelly makes something that reminds me how much I was originally impressed by his talent. But at this point, I can't really get excited about anything he does. I kind of wish he'd do a superhero movie. I'm still waiting for someone to take another crack at Daredevil...
Feb. 17, 2011, 8:13 p.m. CST
Did anybody read his screenplay for Holes? It was terrible. I liked Donnie Darko well enough, but that script and the Southland Tales trailer really turned me off of him. The only reason I watched The Box was because the guys from Arcade Fire were doing the score. The movie was just completely confused with itself, but the score was incredible; one of the best I've heard in a long time.
Feb. 17, 2011, 8:23 p.m. CST
Yeah, because we ALL know that every veteran is mentally unstable. Ignoramuses.
Feb. 17, 2011, 9:35 p.m. CST
by frank cotton
he explains a lot. as he says, it's almost impossible to write a time travel story without a paradox. i figured out how (after 5 years), but, i, ain't tellin'
Feb. 18, 2011, 7:16 a.m. CST
by Thunderbolt Ross
thanks ... sounds about right
Feb. 18, 2011, 10:15 a.m. CST
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