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The Behind the Scenes Pic of the Day can’t be bargained with, it can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity or remorse or fear…

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!

James Cameron’s The Terminator was a big flick in my childhood. It was one of the first non-kids flicks I saw and I don’t think I’ve ever laughed harder than when we got the Terminator vision shot of Arnie scrolling through an appropriate response to “Hey, buddy! You got a dead cat in there or what?”, passing by things like “Or what” to get to “Fuck you, asshole.”

The set up and Schwarzenegger’s delivery are perfect.

But this movie has everything… it really captures a heightened version of the ‘80s, gives us a protagonist in Kyle Reese that is hard not to like, a sympathetic Sarah Connor, a crazy hardcore bad guy that you honestly begin to believe can not be stopped and some great writing and directing from one of the pioneers of filmmaking.

Today’s pictures look like they could have been pulled from a digital source, but they’re too cool. It features a young Stan Winston working with Schwarzenegger on the dummy head missing an eye. I didn’t realize Arnie himself put the sunglasses on, but now I know. Hope you guys enjoy!




The behind the scenes pic doesn’t have any bees, but does have some crazy cultists.

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  • Feb. 13, 2011, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Best Movie Ever

    by dznutzforu

    Just sayin'...and Aliens. Hmmm, Michael Bien doesn't get the respect he deserves...

  • Feb. 13, 2011, 9:31 p.m. CST

    I'll be back...

    by reddwarfcas

    And now he is (to acting that is).

  • Feb. 13, 2011, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Now that is cool.

    by t_allen

    Love the column Quint. Something new and fun every day!

  • Feb. 13, 2011, 9:35 p.m. CST

    one of my all-time favorite

    by frank cotton

    midnight movie experiences. tripping, no less. what a rush...

  • Feb. 13, 2011, 9:36 p.m. CST

    “Fuck you, asshole.”

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    I also got a huge kick out of that line as a child. Oh, and would tomorrows pic be from WICKER MAN perhaps?

  • Feb. 13, 2011, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Not like me, Tee one-towzand

    by KonkBob

  • That little touch of Arnold being his own stand in for his own hands is too cool.

  • Feb. 13, 2011, 9:39 p.m. CST


    by Phil

    One of the best yet....

  • Feb. 13, 2011, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Michael Biehn would have been the perfect Peter Parker/Spider-Man

    by aphextwin

    if he is now in his twenties...IMO

  • Feb. 13, 2011, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Young Stan Winston? Younger maybe. ;)

    by Timmy Chicago

    Dude's got grey in his beard. Nevertheless, this shot is what makes this series so good. Tells a story I never knew. Thanks, Quint.

  • Feb. 13, 2011, 10:25 p.m. CST

    This scene disturbed me for many years

    by Toe Jam

    I remember first seeing it at a home theater store probably at the tender age of 7. I'm guessing they had the laser disc playing to try and show off their goods, but while my dad was in another showroom chatting with a salesman, I was left sitting alone in a dark showroom as this scene played. So the effect it had on me is pretty understandable ...

  • Feb. 13, 2011, 10:25 p.m. CST

    See anything ya like, pal?

    by Cheif Brody

    The Terminator: The 12-gauge auto-loader. <p> Pawn Shop Clerk: That's Italian. You can go pump or auto. <p> The Terminator: The .45 long slide, with laser sighting. <p> Pawn Shop Clerk: These are brand new; we just got them in. That's a good gun. Just touch the trigger, the beam comes on and you put the red dot where you want the bullet to go. You can't miss. Anything else? <p> The Terminator: Phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range. <p> Pawn Shop Clerk: Hey, just what you see, pal! <p> The Terminator: The Uzi nine millimeter. <p> Pawn Shop Clerk: You know your weapons, buddy. Any one of these is ideal for home defense. So uh, which will it be? <p> The Terminator: All. <p> Pawn Shop Clerk: I may close early today! There's a 15-day wait on the hand guns but the rifles you can take right now. And you have to fill these out too. <p> Pawn Shop Clerk: Hey...You can't do that. <p> The Terminator: WRONG! <p> --------------------------- Awesome pic, Quint. That's truly behind the scenes movie magic.

  • Feb. 13, 2011, 10:27 p.m. CST


    by maxjohnson1971

    That Stan Winston's passing didn't get more attention. The guy had more of an impact on most movie goers than most actors or directors ever will and nobody outside of the geek community knows who he was. Sucks. Well at least we know right? Awesome pics too.

  • Feb. 13, 2011, 10:36 p.m. CST

    I loved the little homage to Winston in Terminator: Salvation...

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    ...when Christian Bale enters the Skynet facility, and we see a Terminator endoskeleton walk the EXACT same bobbling Muppet style as a shot from the original Terminator. Made me smile to see such a deliberately low-budget shot in an otherwise massively expensive sci-fi blockbuster, and the dedication to Winston at the beginning of the end titles made me well up a little.

  • Feb. 13, 2011, 10:38 p.m. CST

    BTW, what's that new Harry animation?

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    I'm thinking Carrie for the electrocution via microphone, but the 60's Hippie clothes are all wrong for that.

  • Feb. 13, 2011, 10:58 p.m. CST

    The mass media ALWAYS downplays deaths that aren't well-known actors

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    John Barry just died -- a FIVE-TIME Oscar winning composer -- and he got a one-sentence blurb in Entertainment Weekly. Shameful.

  • Feb. 13, 2011, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Damn Quint!

    by Artemis Webb

    Damn Quint! This is possibly the coolest pic you've ever shown. I like a lot of the photos you've shown from old classic movies but this one is the top of the heap. Thanks.

  • Feb. 13, 2011, 11:10 p.m. CST

    And tomorrow is The Wicker Man

    by Nasty In The Pasty


  • Feb. 13, 2011, 11:35 p.m. CST

    I saw this at an early impressionable age

    by Six Demon Bag

    Five or six years old...Saw it at a neighbors house. Perhaps the first sex scene I saw. The film scared the shit outta me as a child Terminator salvation scared me too, but different reasons.

  • Feb. 13, 2011, 11:41 p.m. CST

    the 'mass media', as in, the 'news',

    by frank cotton

    SUX! and why doesn't 'hollywood' (cough, cough, cameron, cough, cough), GIVE MICHAEL BIEHN MORE WORK! (he turned down a part in NEAR DARK, ya know; it's sad to say, but, well, STUPID, MICHAEL, very stupid!)

  • Feb. 13, 2011, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Piling on the compliments train

    by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls

    How great it is to have that image from such a well-know movie moment. More like this please!

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 12:36 a.m. CST

    He was a handsome man once.

    by ROBRAM89

    That first picture does not look like the cartoonishly grimacing Austrian caricature he turned into by the mid-90's. Or the South American drug lord he looks like now.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Spikey hair!

    by Shady Drifter

    Great film... amazing cross between sci-fi and monster movie. I think the scene in the police station is one of the most tense scenes I've ever seen. A true classic. Talking about the photos above, always found it funny that when the plastic Terminator head replaced the real Arnie, the hair become all spikey all of a sudden. It was the one thing that for me suspended disbelief....

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Three cinematic gods in the same movie

    by KilliK

    Cameron,Winston,Arnold. that's all you need to make a masterpiece.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Tommorows pic Wicker Man the original?

    by KilliK

    think so

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 2:02 a.m. CST

    frank cotton

    by KilliK

    Big Jim did gave Biehn the role of Quaritch,but eventually they decided that it was for the best not to play him because the movie would have given too much Aliens vibe. But he can play the villain very well,if you have seen Tombstone you know what i mean.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 3:05 a.m. CST

    The animation here is from Almost Famous

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    Jason Lee getting electeocuted. In think.......

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 4:11 a.m. CST

    First few minutes of the first and third films.

    by alan_poon

    They went from a punk getting his heart ripped out to Arnie wearing Dame Edna spectacles. Absolute fucking travesty.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 5:09 a.m. CST

    Dame Edna Spectacles

    by DVaderRIP

    I agree. Whoever thought that scene was a good idea needs shooting. I bet Jim Cameron walked out halfway through the film. When I think about what 'could' have been done with that concept, it makes me sad.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 5:22 a.m. CST

    telephone book

    by mrbong

    why is it that The Terminator had to look Sarah Connor up in a fucking phone book? i mean, couldn't they have programmed something into it off the fucking internet or something so it would know who to hunt down? really, really, really fucking excellent film, though, The Terminator. fucking mint it was and still is.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 5:25 a.m. CST

    Watched it at my best friend's house

    by kafka07

    On HBO. We tried to sneak in to the theater a year before but no luck. We were both about 12 and laughed a lot at that scene. Great movie. Especially for a 12-yr-old circa 1985.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Even though you can tell the head is fake in the film...

    by Righteous Brother

    There's something really exciting about seeing an animatronic head moving around and doing stuff.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 7:09 a.m. CST

    I don't know if I realized his head was fake in that scene

    by durhay

    when I first saw it, but I do know that I was fooled by his fake head in the "two weeks!" scene from Total Recall

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 7:18 a.m. CST


    by DVaderRIP

    <sigh> If you had refrained from tweeting and texting your mates while you watched the film and actually LISTENED, it was explained by Reese. Records were destroyed during the war. The Terminator only had a name, and a rough idea of where she lived. Hence why he killed the others - in Reese's words, he was "only being methodical". <p> Actually, Reese had a massive advantage, because he had a picture, and a full name - and if you watch the movie, it's pretty clear that Reese got there first, had staked out her apartment, and followed her to Tech Noir. <p> Truth is, he could have bopped her over the head, popped her in the trunk, and had her in Mexico in 5 hours - I never quite understood why he didn't. He did say he "had to wait for the Terminator to make his move", but after all, once she's "Maria" and living in Rio who cares?

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 7:37 a.m. CST

    the reason he did not "bop her over the head and take her to Mexico"

    by vin_diggler

    is because it would only have delayed the inevitable. Like Reese said "it will not stop until she is dead". So hiding in Mexico would have been pointless. He needed to see the terminator in Tech Noir so he could identify his target. Reeses' goal all along was to find a way to destroy the Terminator, not to keep Sarah in hiding for the rest of her life.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Met Michael Biehn

    by spire_walk

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Riddle me this

    by prince_fufu

    When the cops asked Biehn why they just didn't send more terminators, he replied that they had won and his buddies destroyed the time machine after he went through. So how did they explain that in T2?

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Met Michael Biehn at Dragon Con once (cont)

    by spire_walk

    Sorry, hit enter by accident. I stand in line for his autograph, and when I get to him, he seems personable enough at first. He asks what I do for a living. I tell him I'm a training officer full time for an MP guard battalion. He begins talking about the coast guard and how great of a job they did responding to Hurricane Katrina. I politely explain that I am in the NATIONAL Guard and not in the Coast Guard, but I go on to say, "But our unit also responded to Hurricane Katrina, we sent a company of MPs there." "Yeah, a month later!" he exclaims. By this point I'm too taken aback that me and my unit just got insulted by Kyle Reese / CPL Hicks to say anything. I wanted to say, "How about the week it fucking happened we were there?! We rushed people out the door so fast that the company commander was writing his operations order during the fucking convoy." Instead I just thanked him for his time and for the autograph and left. Pissed me the fuck off though. I decided to never meet another celebrity after that, because god knows what sort of person he might be like in real life outside of the nice guy role in the movies.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 7:55 a.m. CST


    by spire_walk

    I'm not including the Terminatrix from part 3 or anything else as canon in this answer... Skynet sent two terminators back through time at ONCE. It sent a T-800 to take out Sarah Connor and sent the T-1000 prototype to '94 to take out John Connor just in case. The good guys sent Reece and the re-programmed T-800 in response and blew up the whole facility.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 7:58 a.m. CST

    a simpler answer prince_fufu

    by vin_diggler

    is that Reese was wrong. He was told they would destroy it after he went back in time, so he assumed they did. But according to a unfilmed opening to T2, the future Reese stopped them from destroying the time machine because he knew he had to send back another terminator.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 7:58 a.m. CST

    i meant the future John connor, not reese

    by vin_diggler

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 8:25 a.m. CST

    ". . . great writing and directing from one of the pioneers of filmmaking."

    by James_Camera_On

    I had no idea Harlan Ellison directed "The Terminator" as well.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Thanks Vin_Diggler

    by prince_fufu

    That's a good enough explanation for me. When I originally watched T2, I really had a problem with it based on that police station scene from the first movie. I wish that was addressed in T2, but I'm sure most people didn't really care about the explanation.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Aww this picture makes me sad.

    by D.Vader

    Stan Winston, you are missed.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 8:28 a.m. CST

    awesome sauce

    by Wookie_1995

    great picture!

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Fake plastic Ahnuld

    by proevad

    New radiohead album out feb. 19th friends. "The King of Limbs" be it's name.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 9:12 a.m. CST

    if an explanation for the TX being able to time travel is needed

    by vin_diggler

    I too agree that the true Terminator saga ended at T2. BUt for those die hard terminator fans out there that enjoyed T3, Salvation and The Sarah Connor Chronicles. There is somewhat of an explanation. According to the pilot episode of the SCC, someone from the future went back in time and placed components to create another time machine inside a bank vault. The terminator from the show then opens up the vault and is able to piece together the device and is able to send itself, John and Sarah into the future from 1994 to 2009. The device is not seen again since the show was cancled. So presumably, someone got hold of this device and was able to use it. I know it's a stretch but that is because James Cameron never intended the story to go any further than T2.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 9:15 a.m. CST

    A wizard did it.

    by durhay

    He sent back the terminators.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 9:17 a.m. CST


    by prince_fufu

    I suppose once you send something back, it could have changed the future enough to have caused the time machine to never be destroyed, allowing for endless sequels...

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Wow, it's not terribly complicated.

    by one9deuce

    I'll reiterate what's been said: Skynet simultaneously sent a T-800 to target Sarah Connor in 1984, and a T-1000 to target John Connor himself in 1994. Sarah's voiceover at the beginning of T2 states this very clearly. And Ellison? THE TERMINATOR is a story revolving around.......a terminator! Which has nothing to do with Demon With a Glass Hand. The few similarities (as stated above) are common Sci-Fi elements.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Simultaneously sending terminators

    by prince_fufu

    If you are going to send back terminators, then why only two? And why send an old model and a new model? If you only had a few moments to get them through the time machine, why not send two of the latest and greatest model? The leap in Technology from the 800 to the 1000 is HUGE. Seems like Skynet would send as many as needed, and the best it could as often as possible, being a machine. In fact, seems like it should just send terminators back to Early America, destroy all Native Americans, build up a continent/fortress of machines terminate Chris Columbus when he sails over, then begin taking over the world from that point. Just saying.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Here's what really needs explaining...

    by Silent Mark

    Reese explains in The Terminator when quizzed by Dr Silberman about why he didn't have a 'ray gun' that it only works on living things because of 'something to do with the field generated by a living organism' Thus allowing the terminator to travel. (human flesh) What about the T1000 and the TX though? despite their appearance, both are made from a 'memetic poly-alloy' which would generate no such field. Ergo, they shouldn't have been able to travel.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 10:24 a.m. CST

    What I love about early Cameron is that he used

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Stop motion, rear screen, forced perspective, miniatures, animatronics, mechanical effects (didn't know till I saw an old Cinema Secrets tv episode that Arnold punching the windshield was done by a fake arm on a pneumatic piston), etc. Every trick in the book, and then some. Now all CGI. Does it look beautiful? Does it look amazing? Yes. Sometimes too much.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Silent Mark

    by prince_fufu

    I would have to say that the "living metal" that the T-1000 was made of, did in fact generate that field.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Prince FuFu

    by Blanket-Man

    Ah, time-travel theorizing! What could be funner? The problem with going back to Columbus' day and taking over then, is that Skynet needed human history to pretty much remain unchanged through the late 1990s... or the machines that eventually take over would never have been invented! So the Terminators needed their "parent" humans (like the scientist in T2, for example) to grow up as they did and create them, or they'd whip up a big ol' PARADOX!!!

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 11:14 a.m. CST


    by spire_walk

    The T-1000 was an "advanced prototype" (Which the T-800 explains to John in T2). There was only one and Skynet sent it out of desperation. It was built too late in the war to make a difference in the future so it got sent back to kill John.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Actually i have a better explanation for the time-traveling

    by KilliK

    in the first two movies.i have posted it before,but i ll repeat it: Kyle says to Sarah in T1 that Skynet's defense matrix was destroyed in the future thus they had already won the war.BUT that does not mean that Skynet itself was destroyed for good. So in the future,Connor sends Kyle back in time and destroys the time-machine after that.Kyle has the knowledge of what happened in the future until that point.And sending him back does not erase that future at all but in fact it is essential for this future to exist at all.Which simply means that the future carries on as it is with the Kyle,Sarah and the first terminator events to be part of the past history. So the future continues its route: Connor destroys the time machine after the first terminator and Kyle are sent back in time,but Skynet is still alive and hidden safe in his remaining but well-guarded Headquarters/Fortress. So what remains for Connor is the final act of the war: to advance towards the last stand home of SN and destroy him for good while freeing and cleaning the various territories from the remaining machines. Lets say that it takes him to do that 2-3 months.SN is a super-genious AI and knows that his desperate effort to disrupt the existing timeline failed because nothing changed in his future,he is doomed to die. But during those 2 months he kept studying the time-traveling physics and improving the time-travel technology: he eventually managed to create a better time-machine which now was able to send back even non-organic matter but there were still two limitations remaining because of how time-travel physics worked: he still could not send back matter consisted of heavy elements like plutonium so he could not send the terminator carrying plasma weapons and most importantly the entry to a point in the past part of the timeline was affected by how far away was the origin point in the future part of the timeline. in other words the first time-jump sent the first terminator in 1984.BUT the second time-jump was happening 2-3 months later in the future,so this SN could not send the 2nd terminator back to 1984 again.because of the physics he could not override the physical gap between two connecting point in the timeline.Instead the furthest he could send the 2nd terminator back in time was the year 1995. So SN builds the new,improved time-machine,he also makes a new,improved terminator and he is ready to send him back in 1995 as his last,desperate act to win the war. OFC Connor knows what SN is up to,but this time he has the aid of the terminators because now that the defense matrix is down,it is very easy for the resistance to capture and reprogram the machines. Connor arrives at the HQ,destroys the remaining machines,discovers the time-machine in some secret lab just when the 2nd terminator leaves back to the past. He does the logical thing and this time sends a terminator instead of a human soldier to face the 2nd terminator because this new terminator is very advanced and lethal.teh soldier wouldnt have a chance. After the terminator is sent back in time,he destroys the time-machine and then goes and finds the mainframe that is the brain of SN and destroys it that too.SN is destroyed for good and the resistance ends the war forever.Without SN there cant be new time-machines and new time-traveling terminators which means no Terminator 3 and Terminator 4 garbages. The end.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 11:48 a.m. CST

    spire_walk: I'm sure he was just referring to the

    by UltraTron

    entire WORLD's opinion of the Katrina response. 4 days to get water to the superdome while everyone is gang raped and being eaten by alligators, etc. Was kinda big news. Guess you missed it while being in the middle of it fighting to ensure the illuminati's evil plan pulls off without a hitch

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST

    I think only the first film actually makes any kind of sense

    by Keats

    Time travel stories really only work when they take the view that it is impossible to change the past, as in The Terminator and 12 Monkeys (Prisoner of Azkaban too, come to think of it). Skynet tried to change the past by killing Sarah Connor, but it inevitably failed. The stuff in T2 with delaying Judgement Day and all and therefore everything in the subsequent films doesn’t make sense if any thought is put into it. For that reason, I personally only take the first film as canon. I also do this with The Matrix, incidentally, but just because the sequels were so awful.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Killik that's as good an explanation as any

    by prince_fufu

    I'm just checking in while I'm writing this timerJob for my share point deployment. Always good to hear some creative explanations for nebulous movie plots. I tried to do it for AvP1 myself, and it helped me like the movie more.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST

    While I enjoy all the classic scenes...

    by Damned if I can login

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST

    sorry, hit enter accidently

    by Damned if I can login

    I loves me the scene where Arnie is strolling down the hall of the slum building with a giant weapon in each arm, and as he passes by this one dude just *plasters* himself to the wall in terror.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 12:58 p.m. CST

    could have just coated the T-1000 and terminatrix

    by frank cotton

    in skin. that's what i figured for T2, since we only see the T-1000 after it kills the cop

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 1 p.m. CST


    by spire_walk

    By the WHOLE world, you mean the consensus of American news media conglomerates owned by 6 men? Anyway... pretty much everything you just posted had fuck all to do with our mission, my discussion with Biehn, or reality. But whatever, you tell me how it *really* happened, and I've got a few friends who would love to hear your explanation personally. We should all meet up for a little PR discussion. God knows the media never twists the truth a little. And I wasn't in the middle fighting anyone. We sent a company of MPs for law and order support. If you want to blame someone, blame the New Orleans government for never spending to upgrade the levee system. That's what the money was supposed to be used from the river boat casino. Funny how that money kept vanishing. Also, the Governor of Louisiana waited a little while before requesting Federal support. States have to ask for that shit before they get it, or are you even aware we live in a federal republic comprised of states? Better yet, the Governor of Louisiana and the Mayor of New Orleans could have had contingency plans instead of waiting for the inevitable disaster to begin finger pointing. But, if you are upset about how it took us a few days to receive mobilization orders to send one of our Guard units, blame your idiot politicians you elect. The civilian government tends to dislike military units moving on their own without permission. At any rate, I don't recall you standing around with tankers of diesel fuel and rations for my guys so they could get out the door quicker. Hmm. Also, since those soldiers are Guardsmen, that means they also work civilian jobs, so we might have needed your ATM card so we could pay those guys who would be missing work. Anyway, nice trolling, kid. Maybe you do something about the evil Illuminati when your balls drop one day. Kiss kiss.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 1:05 p.m. CST

    The one movie where the time travel is perfect!

    by steverogers5

    I always loved the circular logic of everything in this film. That both a Terminator and a Human soldier go back trying to change things and just end up creating the future that they came from. But then it pretty much is a perfect movie, and certainly Cameron's best script. So damn tight, and fast moving. I particularly love the fact that so much of the exposition happens in the middle of a car chase! And then of course T2 came along and messed everything up. Great action scenes the sequel might have had, but it's story paled in comparison to the original, and just felt like a sacherine kid's movie where Arnie saves the day.. At least T3 restored the apocalyptic ending that had to happen for there to be terminators coming back in the first place. ..Even if it could never quite undo the damage done to the time travel logic in T2. But Terminator the original, is flawless and timeless. (And yeah I agree that Biehn should have got more work. Bit of a shame that Arnie got all the credit for the success of the first film..)

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    The 6th Day

    by Ryan Vaux

    This picture is virtually the entire plot of the movie "The 6th Day".

  • and the end of the movie does not tell us if they succeeded or not. you could also argue that the events in T2 were also creating a time loop and that they were essential for the existence of the future: ie the death of Dyson and the destruction of the laboratories was an economical blow for Cyberdyne which forced the execs to completely sell the company to the USarmy,instead of using their development for consumer and any other kind of non-military use. the army acquired Cyberdyne and invested heavily on the technology that they acquired from Cyberdyne (everybody keeps backups of their work,right?) and eventually the super microchip was a reality. the army then used the chip for military applications and because of their success in combat they decided to initiate the SKYNET project which would be the modern successor of the ARPANET project: a network which would interconnect all the smart weaponry and be controlled by a super smart machine.the rest is history. the above events would have created a very ironic twist in the whole storyline: in the first movie,the irony was that Skynet by trying to change the past in order to win the war in the future,was effectively responsible for his own birth and defeat,while in the second movie Sarah by trying to prevent the Judgement Day,was effectively responsible for the creation of the Skynet project and the cause of the Judgement Day. the end.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 1:39 p.m. CST

    their developmen = their developed technology

    by KilliK

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST


    by spire_walk

    If you watch the deleted scenes of T1, the entire plot of T2 was already there. Sarah and Reese make a plan to go blow up cyberdine systems. That was the original intent of making the pipe bombs. They were going to go destroy Cyberdine, and were heading to the factory to do it when they were being chased by the T-800. Restore the deleted scenes and you nullify any reason for T2 existing.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Nice makeup gag...

    by ObiBen

    ...they probably liked the Poltergeist face rip-off scene 2 years before. And oh yeah: Yul Brynner IS the Termintor

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Βrynner was an android,a robot,not a cyborg.

    by KilliK

    although Terminator is more of an android rather than a is a robot with organic body parts,not a human with artificial ones.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    killik - Then you must explain to Spielberg

    by ObiBen

    that a truck has an engine and wheels whereas a shark has fins and theeths and swins in the water!

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST

    obiben why should i do that?

    by KilliK

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    obiben - yea, your Westworld to Terminator analogy

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    parallel with Duel and Jaws makes not one bit of sense.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST

    All nerd debate aside

    by Kelly Grimes

    Great one today, Quint. I love this series you have going.

  • Feb. 14, 2011, 7:51 p.m. CST

    correction -

    by jason12006

    Sorry Quint, I don't think that Arnie is putting the sunglasses on the dummy - I think he is taking them off. Remember the scene when the terminator ops on his eye? He takes them off prior to cutting the eye out. See Arnies hand - the bandages- I think that they are either practicing the scene or it is the scene. Noteworthy - one hand was Arnies and the other was Stans - now that is cool.

  • Feb. 15, 2011, 2:22 a.m. CST

    The only good Terminator movie

    by Keith

    And, in fact, the single best genre movie of the 80s.

  • Feb. 15, 2011, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Time travel in The Terminator

    by Keith

    The Terminator is a movie all about how time travel does not change history, and CANNOT change history. Not in this narrative universe, anyway. Anybody who thinks that the movie details "the second version of history" is gravely mistaken. In the world of "The Terminator", history can never be changed. All time travel incidents are already a part of the single tapestry of history that has always existed. That's what the photo's there to tell you.

  • Feb. 15, 2011, 2:30 a.m. CST

    The foolishness of T2

    by Keith

    "I'll reiterate what's been said: Skynet simultaneously sent a T-800 to target Sarah Connor in 1984, and a T-1000 to target John Connor himself in 1994." But that happens to completely undermine the premise of The Terminator, which is that Skynet does not have sufficient information to attack John directly, so it executes an "elaborate scheme" with the fragments of information it has. All it knows it: Sarah Connor Los Angeles 1984. If Skynet also knows John's whereabouts in 1994, the first movie's events make no sense. To be honest, it's pretty clear from the first movie that the nuclear war is supposed to be sometime in the mid- to late-80s. That's the interpretation that makes most sense. Reese says that the war happens "a few years from now", and 1984 obviously represents one of the last periods in which it's possible to know people's whereabouts before all hell breaks loose. Sarah is clearly driving off to Mexico in preparation for a fairly imminent apocalypse, not an apocalypse 13 years later. T2 is a subtle yet huge retcon.

  • Feb. 15, 2011, 2:36 a.m. CST


    by Keith

    "Time travel stories really only work when they take the view that it is impossible to change the past, as in The Terminator and 12 Monkeys (Prisoner of Azkaban too, come to think of it). Skynet tried to change the past by killing Sarah Connor, but it inevitably failed. The stuff in T2 with delaying Judgement Day and all and therefore everything in the subsequent films doesn’t make sense if any thought is put into it. For that reason, I personally only take the first film as canon." Yes. Good. Good for you. You clearly understand the logic here. One thing I would say, though, is that branching timeline stories (where time travel buds a new universe off and leaves the original one unchanged) can be made to make sense, but they can't operate in the SAME narrative universe as a single timeline structure story. The Terminator is a single timeline story, like 12 Monkeys, and Azkaban, and La Jetee. T2 is either a branching or a rewriting story. That would be fine on its own, but it's incompatible with the logic of the original movie.

  • Feb. 15, 2011, 2:38 a.m. CST


    by Keith

    "why is it that The Terminator had to look Sarah Connor up in a fucking phone book? i mean, couldn't they have programmed something into it off the fucking internet or something so it would know who to hunt down?" Ummm....what?

  • Feb. 15, 2011, 2:44 a.m. CST


    by Keith

    "you could also argue that the events in T2 were also creating a time loop " You could, but you'd be wrong. Reason? The T-800 tells Sarah that in a few months, Dyson "creates a revolutionary type of microprocessor". Yet less than a day later, Dyson is dead. Which means that the future HAS been changed. Even if Skynet is still able to get built by another route (something we can't know), this cannot be a loop. So steverodgers5 is right: T2 messes up the time travel logic.

  • Feb. 15, 2011, 4:58 a.m. CST

    misterdarcy = Kaiman

    by KilliK


  • Feb. 15, 2011, 9:09 a.m. CST

    I agree with the T2 criticisms

    by Blanket-Man

    I enjoyed T2, but it doesn't rank anywhere in my Top 50 films where The Terminator will always have a comfy spot. Along with all the other logical flaws mentioned in this TB, I remember when I saw T2 for the first time, once Dyson was killed, the suspense kinda disappeared.

  • Feb. 15, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Yeah, spire_walk I love those scenes..

    by steverogers5

    Funny you should mention that, as the very first DVD I ever bought was the original Terminator, and finding those scenes was like getting a hold of the holy grail for me. As I'd read them years earlier in the novelisation, but had assumed they'd just been expansions on the narrative from the writer. I had no idea they'd actually been filmed! It was also especially satisfying that they mostly focused on the human characters, so that we could see a bit more of Kyle Reese. Who of course with the exception of the deleted dream sequence in T2, we never really saw again. (Not counting T:Salvation..) I agree with you about the restoring of the scenes. I wish I could find a fan edit of it, to do just that. (I'd never feel the need to watch T2 again LOL!) Though I get why Cameron never made a restored version of it. (He didn't want to lose the killer pace of the original, and it's certainly hard to argue with that.) Still wish he'd given us an alternative version though.. Oh, and thanks for the vote of confidence misterdarcy! I agree about Dyson. His death really did mess it up!

  • Feb. 16, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    exactly that Turd

    by KilliK

    T800,like Reese, was giving a vague narration of what happened in the past based on the little info that he was given.we dont know for sure ,and maybe neither the future people,that Dyson created the first super-chip in person or that he was the spiritual father whose project came into fruition after his death. and since there is no solid evidence which supports beyond any doubt that the events in T2 altered the history,we can safely argue that the whole story in the movie was a pre-existing time-loop. and that's it.