Feb. 6, 2011, 7:48 a.m. CST
Feb. 6, 2011, 7:52 a.m. CST
Maybe it's time? The suit designs without them from Abrams project looked pretty cool. Or we can hope for the Tim Burton Christmas tree suit.
Feb. 6, 2011, 7:52 a.m. CST
Mute the colors of the costume like was done in Returns. Supes is supposed to be a beacon of optimism and hope when everything around goes to shit. As such, the colors are best bright and vibrant as in the Reeves movies and even in the Lois and Clark tv series.
Feb. 6, 2011, 7:55 a.m. CST
for my 2 cents i think snyder is going to really hit a homerun with this one...first off all Jonathan Nolan is writing the script and so far he's been on top of his game with his other projects, add that to snyder's visual style and you'll have something that will definitely seperate it from all the other superhero flicks.
Feb. 6, 2011, 7:55 a.m. CST
Feb. 6, 2011, 7:56 a.m. CST
We ALL know the origin story. SMALLVILLE, as much as a film wants to distance itself away from that, tought the majority of America about the origins of Superman. Now, can we just move on and PLEASE get to some hard hitting, red eyed, action of Superman?
Feb. 6, 2011, 7:59 a.m. CST
by eric haislar
It's not supes without it.
Feb. 6, 2011, 7:59 a.m. CST
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a9/Batman_superman.PNG <br> <br> Snyder... just remember... it was the epic feel of the original that captured our hearts. The flyover of wheat fields... location location location.... and John Williams score MUST be in it. Finally... an original screenplay... it *has* to have layers to it.
Feb. 6, 2011, 7:59 a.m. CST
John Williams' finest hour - and yes, that includes Raiders, Temple of Doom, and all of Star Wars. I understand Snyder wants to make a clean break (I really wish it wasn't another origin story though - Donner's did it perfectly, and everyone in the world KNOWS the origin) but nothing can ever, ever, measure up to Williams' score. It IS Superman. Almost every Bond movie was a semi-reboot, there was rarely that much continuity, narratively, between films. It's been recast and retooled again and again... and always kept the theme. One of the good points about Singer's nobly-intentioned failure was John Ottman's wonderful revisiting of Williams' iconic music.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:01 a.m. CST
I prefer Curt Swan's look...but I think that only works for a comic book. As long as Cavill gets in decent enough shape that's all that matters. If they really want this movie to stand out from all the rest, show us something we haven't seen before like Darkseid or Brainiac.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:02 a.m. CST
isn't that pretty much just a reaction to our yellow sun to his kryptonian genes? i never thought about it, but he does a lot of fighting in space and far away from our system...does he get weaker if there's no yellow sun around? did krypton have the only sun (was it green- honestly i don't remember) that is what kept kryptonians 'normalized'. it would sure take superman down a peg if he was only strong and fast when tied to or near earth, and was just 'a guy' any where else. for some reason, green lantern flying through the reaches of deep space make sense to me but with supes, it just seems like its another in the list of too many things he's been written to do now. hell, i remember when he didn't fly, he just JUMPED really far. now he's faster than the Flash, kind of making him pointless.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:02 a.m. CST
Jim Lee? Not so much, with his frequent depcition of Supes as an angry God, lurking in shadows with blazing heat-vision eyes. Go for the Swan style, Zack, and give us the classic supersuit!
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:02 a.m. CST
- of crosshatching and shit. I know Lee is not as bad as Liefield, but it's his work on X-men that caused me to back out because comics started looking...I don't know, a little too manga. Snyder's movie will be a piece of shit anyway. He has one year to do it and his films are always filled with computer stuff, show me one example of him directing actors to get emotion or carry a scene. That's what separated Donner's Superman from Singers. Donner's Superman had actual acting in it, while Singer's was jokey and Routh might as well have been a cardboard standee. My money says Snyders will be worse.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:06 a.m. CST
by Devin T.S. Fraser
The movie is only going to be about 40 minutes long, then made into 130 minutes with slo-motion like all of Snyder's crap.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:06 a.m. CST
Jim Lee and Swan is like fire and ice.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:06 a.m. CST
Never would have thought that looking through his filmography.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:07 a.m. CST
I'd keep everything the same (color scheme and costume visuals)... but I'd sculpt it (the suit) out of material that would enhance muscle texture, etc. but yet flexible. The reason the last costumes sort of failed was because they were basically leotards. <br> <br> http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/58424/1646114-scan020.jpg <br> <br>
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:09 a.m. CST
People need to stop spreading this information. David Goyer came up with the idea and wrote the script. Chris Nolan's involvement is effectively over, so now the film rests in Goyer and Snyder's hands. [Starts building bomb shelter]
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:15 a.m. CST
by Larry Knowles
Frankly, it's the best part of the Superman mythos. After he becomes superman, it's kinda hard to tell dramatic stories. It worked with Batman Begins. It can work here too. Take the best of what came before (which was A LOT from Donner's movie) and enhance it. Kind of like an ultimate origin story. There are so many good nuggets to draw from in the comics and the tv show. Put them all togethr in an effective way and you've got a GREAT superman movie.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:19 a.m. CST
I HATE the talkbackers who don't want a new origin... the first origin is totally outdated... and look to the comics--there has been the Man of Steel origin, Birthright, Secret Origins and Superman: Earth one, and guess what? Each origin was better than the one before it. If you think the origin can't be done better, read Superman: Earth One or Secret Origins... Besides, I want a series of movies that are all self contained... you think kids these days will like Donner's origin with the lame special effects? And everyone knew Batman's story, but the new origin story reboot of Batman Begins is what made the reboot so awesome...
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:21 a.m. CST
For me Snyder's movies tend to be all style and no substance...I hope to be proven wrong here but this has McG and Terminator written all over it.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:22 a.m. CST
Another origin story = my god!
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:22 a.m. CST
wolverine claws were like the new black.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:24 a.m. CST
It will still not prevent people from chuffling it to bits, as proved by his WATCHMEN disaster which still mannaged to make fans.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:25 a.m. CST
I'm still opposed to an origin story in anything other than a cursory flashback kind of thing, but I like hearing the character will most likely retain his classic image.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST
Remember, that was the superman story which had the suit as a living thing coming out of a can, Krypton never exploded, Superman gets talked out of being dead and Lex Luthor was a kryptonian. That whole shit was retarded beyond description. It was as bad as the Tim Burton and Jon Peters ideas for Superman, if not even more.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:28 a.m. CST
If the movie does launch a great franchise, a nice origin story that sets up some different Supes villians (including but not limited to Zod), like brainiac or other "El" family troubles, to allow for organic plots to flow through the series - As opposed to, say, Spiderman 3, where one of the villians was shoe horned into they Peter Parker mythology ("No, I was the one who killed your Uncle Ben") and the other just, non-sesnically, landed beside the hero in a meteor. (WTF?) Plan for a great series, and the origin story is great. If it's just because they think its a "safe bet", then its disappointing.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:29 a.m. CST
Who says that the colours of the Superman costume has to be of only single hue? Imagine, if you will, that thoughout the movie, and as Superman becames more a figure of optimism and delivery, his costumegets, subtly, more bright and light coloured. Nothing exactly that would immediatly pop to the eye, but it would be there and we would catch it subconsciously.
Keeping Williams's score was one of Singer's biggest mistakes on SUPERMAN RETURNS. What he made was a sombre movie, focusing on the loneliness of the character and - as he did in X-Men - using it as an allegory for being super-talented but always essentially "outside". Singer's gay, of course, so the subject has resonance. I thought it was an interesting take on the character but it wasn't the fx-packed action-spunk the general public expect. This wasn't helped in any way by the use of Williams's rousing, joyous score which only served to point up how little exuberance there was in the film. Snyder could riff on the Williams score if his film has that same quality. Otherwise, he'd be best to steer clear. SUPERMAN THE MOVIE was a thing of beauty but it was a harmony of elements coming together; and those were very different times.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:30 a.m. CST
How many good scripts have been fucked up by hacks? SOLDIER, anybody?
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:36 a.m. CST
... are comic geeks who know the whole minutiae of Superman's live before Metropolis. No matter how many seasons of Smallville there is. You actually think that people, evne the fans who watch SMALLVILLE, consider that story to be Superman's canon? No, the vast majority of the public are not comic jgeek savy, no matter how much it it is in our culture the "Superman is an alien orphan who arrives on earth and became a kindly savior superbeing". Why was krypton destroyed? Why did he came ON EARTH exactly? Was it deliberatly or accidental? Who were his dfathers? Who were his people? How was his home planet? Contrast to Earth to understand in what ways he's different form us and in what he's alike, and is it ebcause he grew on Earth or because kryptonians are essecially humans who can fly? If there is a chace to make a new Suoperman movie that is not a direct sequel to a sequal, you better start at the begining. The begining is, you know, the begining, is where a story starts, you know? Don't assume your knowledge of Superman is universally shared. That's the constant mistake that geeks make. It's the constant problem of geek/nerd culture insularity. The rest of the world is not a projection of you, you know?
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:37 a.m. CST
by Super Rabbi
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:38 a.m. CST
"Why would the strongest man in the universe be ripped anyway?" Because it's a comic book character and it looks cool. That's all you need to know. I'm tired off the slim Superman of the films. I realize you would need a heavy duty body builder to look like Lee's Superman so I don't think that's happening as he's already been cast.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:38 a.m. CST
If so, then you bet the John Williams theme will still be there. As all of the rest of John Williams score. Tyler Bates career is a whole cavalgade of shameless rip offs other people's scores. And i though James Horner was bad!
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:44 a.m. CST
I'm pretty sure he won't reuse Williams' score at all, and after SR, I think that's the right move. I don't agree that Singer shouldn't have used it. He was making a direct sequel to those movies, so it made sense. I just don't think changing that score changes that movie. I actually really liked that film. I recognize the problems with it relating to the mythology of the character, but biggest of all, Singer had an opportunity to give us a Superman film we never had before, a chance to see Superman do things that had never been realized on screen, and we're still waiting on that.. so that's all I really want to see out of Snyder's Superman.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:47 a.m. CST
Well any yellow sun will do. So I'm sure in his travels he finds them. Plus, IIRC, he stores energy like a living solor battery. I know it's not Earth 0 continuity but in The Dark Knight Returns he recharged himself with a sunflower.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:48 a.m. CST
I collected comics for a long time and his name being on a comic was a non-starter, auto no-buy.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:50 a.m. CST
And it really exhausts him.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:50 a.m. CST
My understanding of why Superman is so strong is directly linked to the fact that kryptonite, which is a meteorite chunck from his native palnet, is what makes him weak. The way i see it, and i can be absolutly dead wrong, is that it was the Planet Krypton itself that was responsible for the way the kryptonians were. To wit: I imagine that the kryptonians are this humanoid race of aliens who with time evolved into this very powerful beings. Be it a natural evolution or caused by technological advancements. kryptionians became this formidable beings. And soon in their history when they realsied how strong they are compared to almost all other living creatures in the galaxy, they decided to pull stop limits. I don't know to what point Richard Donner's Superman depiction of Krypton is accurate to canon. Taking a clue from that mvoie, it seems to me that Kryption is, at the time of it's destruction, a wholesome artificial planet. The kryptonians completly re-enginnered their planet and turned it into an artifical object. And in the very material that makes Kryption there's an inibitor subastance that makes Kryptioans lose their superpowers. In Kryption, kryptonians are like us humasn. This would be a sail safe measure to prevent the planet's destruction in case there was crime escalation or civil war. Make Kryptionians weak in their own planet, and they can't get destructive, in case one of them snaps and gets destructive. The reason why, then, General Zod and his cronies got arrested. So, inthe very material that makes Kryption, it inibs the expression of the kryptionians superpowers. Which would then explain why is it that when Superman is in close distance of some small chunk of krpytonite, he loses his powers and get even weaker then an human. It does make more sense then just by having a piece of rock soil form his hometow majically make him weak just because it's a piece of rock soil form his hime planet. It makes no sense. Nobody goes weaks n their knees and lose strengh just because they get offered a piec eof rock from the country you came fom, don't you? Or else the afghanistan insurgents would just smuggle tonnes of rocks from the USA territory and thrown at americans and all american soldiers would became indefensible babies! See what i mean? The reason why kryptonite was Superman's perdition never made sense just because it's a rock from his hometown. Of couse, what i say above might just be a whole bunch of nonsense not supported by canon at all.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:50 a.m. CST
An origin story. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO No Williams score. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Both of these things suck. I really hope they reconsider the score. Is there still time? Is it already set in stone. Can some kind of fan outcry do anything to change this?
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:51 a.m. CST
Look at how well that turned out!
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:52 a.m. CST
Not gay at all! Snyder is so not gay!
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:54 a.m. CST
That was the laught of the day! Harsh to the point comedy, my favorite.
Feb. 6, 2011, 8:58 a.m. CST
All those origin stories are great but as comics they are options. You can read them and still read an issue of Action or JLA and get post origin Superman stories. This movie is a one time thing and is the only Superman film we're going to get for a few years so people are dying to see the epic Superman movie we have yet to receive. I know Superman 2, 3 and 4 didn't have the origin story but two of those are horrible films.
Feb. 6, 2011, 9:02 a.m. CST
The general public may have moved on past Superman but Snyder will do a good job. "Dawn of the Dead" was awesome; 300" was wildly entertaining; and he did a good job with "Watchmen". But he was stuck trying to cram everything in to satisfy the fanboys.
Feb. 6, 2011, 9:04 a.m. CST
http://tinyurl.com/8mwaam This is shit? I guess I have to redefine what shit is.
Feb. 6, 2011, 9:08 a.m. CST
"this has McG and Terminator written all over it." Indeed it has. Or Brett Ratner's X-Men 3 or Jar Jar Abrams' Star Trek or Michael Bay's Transformers. I don't understand why Holywood keeps giving this big blockbuster movies based on long established popular multimedia franchise to be made by the people who seem to be the least qualified, in fact the worst qualified, to make them. I don't understand. Is it because all this hacks are incredible bullshiters to can fool the studio suits into their bullshit? Don't the studio executives understand the concept of what is a bad filmmaker besides "guy who did a commercial flop with his last movie"? Are they this clueless? It's puzzling, because contrary to popular belief, the majority of the people who works for the studios are actually smart intelligent hardworking people. Maybe they are also ignorant about other subjects then financing and are a bit touched by madness, but really what's so hard to understand when a filmmaker is an untalented bullshiter hack who amkes crap dumb shitty movies? Don't they care their movies have a modicum of quality? It's not that the bad dumb movies have the complete monopoly of the box office results, smart well made great movies like RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, JAWS, STAR WARS, THE DARK KNIGTH, INCEPTION, DIE HARD and LOTR made a lot of money which put their studios swimming in money. Shoudn't an artisan have pride of his work? Shouldn't an artisan try his best to make the best work possible to the best of his abilties? Should the employer who hires the artisan for a job desires and demands the best work for their investiment? Shouldn't the costumer deserves and demands the best work for their money? Isn't this how things ought to work? Then why the fuck give this movie to be made by a somebody who is a less then capable filmmaker whose movies are made out of trickery and bullshit? Does WB actually hates their superman property and are deliberatly sabotaging it, THE PRODUCERS' style? Is that it? The Snyderman movie is a fiscal trick to escape taxes?
Feb. 6, 2011, 9:11 a.m. CST
I agree about Snyder. The DotD remake, as far as remaking a classic goes, was fucking great. And Watchmen. As hard as the source material was to convert to film I think he did a excellent job and think it is a superb film. How can people not like Watchmen? I'm sure people will list a bunch of opinions they're entitled to but I really don't see how a fan of the comic cannot, if not like or love the film, at least respect the effort Snyder made and the passion he put into it.
Feb. 6, 2011, 9:14 a.m. CST
Dawn of the Dead completely missed the point of the original Romero classic...Zombies for the MTV generation! 300...Jeez! Gerard Butler...sorry, GERARD BUTLER!!!! shouting his way through a video game, Watchmen!? I loved the graphic novel! I didn't think it was possible to take something so gripping and turn it into the snooze fest that Snyder presented...I've never walked out of a cinema before but enduring Watchmen was the closest I've came...an unmitigated disaster of a movie! God I hope I'm wrong but he WILL make an absolute turd out of Superman!
Feb. 6, 2011, 9:18 a.m. CST
The dull thud that I just heard was the sound of asimovlives "hitting the nail on the head!"
Feb. 6, 2011, 9:19 a.m. CST
Man, are things that bad that now this site has to post shit that means nothing. How boring.
Feb. 6, 2011, 9:25 a.m. CST
For me, was soulless, like all of Snyder's catalogue. He never explored any of his characters unlike the original. We aren't even introduced to half of them, and as a result there is no emotion when they are killed. He doesn't craft any tension, it's just all flashy scares. The standout part is the stunning opening credits which were executed by Kyle Cooper. In those three minutes Cooper does more than Snyder does in the following 90. There's the scene where a zombie is crawling along the pipes and jumps down, and it sums up Snyder's style - thoughtless. How would a zombie with no legs get up there? How would it have enough intelligence to keep holding on to the pipes and shuffle along them? There was no thought or reason to it other than it looked "cool". I can understand how people can enjoy his work, but I personally find it empty. Like a showreel. Superman needs somebody who can handle character as well as spectacle which is why I personally hoped for Aronofsky. He's a director who, while interested in the tactile, muscularity of his characters, also mines the depths of their soul and psyche.
Feb. 6, 2011, 9:33 a.m. CST
phifty2, I want you to stop whatever you are doing and do one of three things: go to Amazon and order Superman: Earth one, go to the bookstore to buy Superman: Earth One, or go to a torrent site and download Superman: Earth One... an origin story doesn't exist just to give us information... it ENTERTAINS us, and gives us a new look at what makes superman tick...
Feb. 6, 2011, 9:38 a.m. CST
Thats the look I would want for a Superman. Don't try to hard to modernize a character thats clearly a child of its time.
Feb. 6, 2011, 9:41 a.m. CST
Superman: Earth One was FUCKING AWFUL. It bastardised and betrayed the Superman / Clark Kent character. One constant is always that Clark is raised by the Kents to be selfless, brave, strong, truthful, just (fine, I;ll say it, "all-American", apparently), and when he discovers his destiny, embraces his powers to serve the whole world. JMS's ham-handed fuck-up had Clark basically NAGGED into becoming Superman by his mom, and then having his hand forced anyway when some badly-written Ziggy-Stardust-looking third-rate General Zod showed up. Not once was there a hint of the destiny, nobility and grandeur that defines Superman. It was horrible. Birthright, although I had some issues with that, made a far better job of having Clark initially questioning his place in the world. I honestly think that Donner's version nailed the origin completely. Not just the destruction of Krypton, his childhood trying to fit in in Smallville... the Brando scenes perfectly crystallised (pun intended, I guess) his reason for being sent to Earth, and his purpose in life. Superman isn't conflicted, he should never ever be.
Feb. 6, 2011, 9:42 a.m. CST
Dunno why fanboys keep mentioning his name when its clear its NINO(Nolan In Name Only). WB paid him another shitload for his name to be use as a passing reference and fanboys bought it! Sorta like some past films saying 'the so-so use in James Cameron's Avatar" or some shit! This is all Snyder and Goyer when it fails I wonder will fanboys still try to blame Singer?
Feb. 6, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST
by Larry Knowles
I agree, realistically it wouldn't make sense for him to be ripped because he doesn't have to pump iron to be strong. He could look like a fat slob and still be the strongest man on earth. But stylistically, it makes senses. Visually, people identify a ripped physique with strength. This will be 100% Zack Snyders choice. And from his previous movies it is obvious that he has an exaggerated visual and stylistic flare. I guarantee that we will see an over-buff Superman this time around.
Feb. 6, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
The entire album is a conceptual meditation of the catastrophe that must be overcome.
Feb. 6, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST
by Duck of Death
Who's with me on this? NAAAKED AS WE CAAAAAAME...okay, maybe not. I don't care what Zack Snyder's take on Superman looks like, as long as there are plenty of shots where Superman does a flying kick in slo-mo that abruptly goes into super fast-motion, like the lag on a shitty LCD TV.
Feb. 6, 2011, 9:52 a.m. CST
... Sure he's already said that. Which is, y'know, a shit decision if true.
Feb. 6, 2011, 9:52 a.m. CST
I love the original Dawn of the Dead but it's not like it had the deepest characters. Flyboy is a dick who turns out to be an ok guy. Francine was pregnant and learns how to fly a helicoptor. Peter and Roger are SWAT members that become friends. I'm not saying the remake had deep characters: Angry cop, tough nurse, reasonable average guy, asshole with a boat...but I will say this, JT was a great character and his arc was well done.
Feb. 6, 2011, 9:55 a.m. CST
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Maybe they'll add those seatbelt straps that all the other heroes are sporting these days. It makes sense. Buckle up, be safe kiddos. Buckle up and you to, can be a hero... trapped in a moving vehicle. Seatbelts are the new Nipples and Flames!
Feb. 6, 2011, 9:58 a.m. CST
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:01 a.m. CST
73 years have gone by, and the costume stays classic. Any variations is because for the sake of the story. (Red/Blue Superman. Kingdom Come/future Superman, etc). Please keep the costume CLASSIC. Snyder can put his 'stamp' on it by making the greatest Superman film ever. No need to put a 'stamp' on the costume.
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:03 a.m. CST
a superMAN for the movie, since that's what Swan drew? "It’s Curt Swan and the way he draws that jawline, it is like Mt. Rushmore, totally," A large part of that is because Swan's superman looks like an older dude than a younger prettier dude. If he'd just cast Jon Hamm, like everyone else on the planet knows is a good choice, he could HAVE his damn Curt Swan Superman!
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:08 a.m. CST
Snyder has yet to wow me. He's essentially a music video director who should never have left music videos. He has absolutely no ability to tell a cohesive narrative with well drawn characters. And his visual style is completely overrated. It's like David Fincher lite.
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:11 a.m. CST
by David Cloverfield
than the original. I agree, the original was groundbreaking, creating the whole idea of "Zombie apocalypse.". But I don't think the characters are all that interesting or the social commentary is particularly clever or sophisticated. It has the cooler zombies for sure. But all in all Snyder made the cooler movie (for a lot bigger budget, that's true.). The first 15 minutes of the Dawn remake, complete with the Cash song may be the best the "zombie genre" has to offer. I'm a lot more into Supes than I am into zombies, so I'm sure a lot of things will piss me off in the new movie. But at least it will be interesting/entertaining unlike the last few abortions we've seen lately with the boyscout. I just hope Snyder they don't want to please everybody and give it their own unique spin.
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST
... There was NO WAY anyone over the age of 27-30 was gonna be cast for this. There's a franchise in mind. A trilogy alone will take ten years. Hamm would be pushing sixty by then. Fine, Ford did Indy in his sixties, Eastwood could probably still beat the shit of of most people here, Stallone did Expendables (but looked like a penis on steroids) ... but a 60 year old Superman? No way. It's just a logical production and business decision. And for all those bitching about Cavill being too young - he's older than Reeve was!
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:14 a.m. CST
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
I would like to see the cape attached to the top two corners of the "S" crest. I don't like it when it just comes out of the neckline. I haven't drawn this or seen a picture of this. I suppose bringing the cape that low could interfere with the crest, but it solves that damn neck line.
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:22 a.m. CST
I've often thought the same And for all this talking about costume design... No matter what happens... Never, EVER forget what might have been, people..... http://tinyurl.com/642pndv http://tinyurl.com/22lxd85
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:22 a.m. CST
Superman shouldn't be conflicted about his porpose, but he should be conflicted on HOW to put his porpose in practice. Taking away Superman's assurance of his porpose on Earth is indeed a betrayal of his character, but if we make him inicially insecure and make mistakes about how he should achieve his porpose would make him a more relatable and identifiable character. Everybody makes mistakes and are unsure of what to do when they start out, even godly aliens.
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:25 a.m. CST
Nolan's involvement is no more. It's all now the Snyder show. Nolan does not with a mile long leech holding down Snyder. snyder is now the boss, the big daddy, the top top dog of the show. What will go on will be due to Snyder. Becasue Nolan is now working on his Batman movie. He can't be both working on Batman and keep a control on Snyder, it's impossible, it's humanly impossible. Nolan will not save Superman from Snyder's mistakes. He can't. Superman is now SNYDERMAN. It's his show now. The buck stops at Snyder now.
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:28 a.m. CST
You're quite right there. I always loved the Brando scenes in Donner's movie. Where Jor-El told him he couldn't save everyone, or serve the whole world the whole time. And, fumbled and illogical as it all was in the original cut of Superman II, his surrendering of his powers was important. Of course - that plays far better in the restored Donner Cut, with Kal-El questioning why he should protect the lives and happiness of everyone around him, whilst denying himself the same. Damn, Reeve was the man. But I maintain there's a difference between that, and Clark/Kal-El trying to avoid and deny his birthright, as JMS had it in that horrible Earth One.
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:28 a.m. CST
... and he will inflate the films budget by 100 millions dollars more. Because that's what hacks do, they throw into the movies useless CGI SFX shit that serves little to no porpose to the story other then make boring uninvolving SFX sequences that stop dead and ever hurt the story for the sake of "cool explosions fast shit happening" bullshit crap.
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:31 a.m. CST
I skipped his WATCHMEN. I'll skip this. Sorry.
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:32 a.m. CST
.... Please don't write this off already, just because it has Snyder's name attached. It's coming off the same as your crusade against (I can't believe I'm whispering these words) Star Trek. Hope for the best, want the best, like everyone else. Don't hate on it before a frame has been shot dude.
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST
... but Reeves looked like an adult. This is not to say that Cavill might not work. They can mature his looks for the film depending on the story needs. He's an actor, his job is to impersonate people who are not like him, including age. His boyish looks might evne work well for the Smallville years. It's easier to age an younger actor then to de-age an older actor... usually.
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:48 a.m. CST
Is like REVAMPING James Bond's yOU KNOW MY NAME.... <p> whenever I heard those horns from the Williams score it gives me goosebumps. although it's instrumental...you can hear the chorus say SU PER MAN!!!!!! Awesome shit right there.
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:51 a.m. CST
20 years without a Superman movie from Superman: The Quest for Peace until Superman Returns and the only villains we've seen (not counting Nuclear Man lolz) is Lex and Zod. That's pretty fucking ridiculous.
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:53 a.m. CST
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:54 a.m. CST
I just don't understand how anyone could dislike Zack Snyder's 300, and WATCHMEN (as well as his coming aboard to direct the new Superman reboot). They were certainly very faithful to the original comics in tone and design, and were visually stunning pieces of eye-candy. I am so happy that this will NOT be based on any of the existing unproduced scripts associated with some of the failed attempts to reboot the franchise in the past - particularly the entire Doomsday/Death of Superman/New Suit storylines that always seemed to be present in the previous drafts. With all of the creative talent involved, I have no doubt in my mind that Zack Snyder's SUPERMAN will be great! Just a note to the studio executives... please, PLEASE stay out of the creative process and just do what you do best.
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:54 a.m. CST
by Meinert Hansen
All the other ones look like Chippendale models. The Kingdom Come Superman looks like he could beat the shit out of you without any superpowers.
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST
and patronizing retro horror. I can't believe people fell for that shit. 300 sucked too but I actually liked Watchmen as it was an achievment but Superman demands emotion and a steady hand. I don't think "versimilitude" is in Snyders vocabulary.
Feb. 6, 2011, 11 a.m. CST
that Spidey suit is a massive step backward.
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST
I've not read anything that suggests it will take place in present day. Hmmm.
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST
by doom master
is he retired or something? He hasnt done dick since Indy Jones 4.... Anyway, i doubt Snyder is going to rehash Williams like singer did...BUt we'll see. I understand theres an iconic need for the tune, but its not necessary.
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST
This is a surprise?
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST
just more homogonized..
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST
What? Who dare profess such blasphemy? You can't say dump the Donner stuff then keep the old music. It all goes together to create a certain feel. With Batman Begins, the Elfman music got the boot. Keeping the Williams music, as good and timeless as it is, will just tether the new project to the old in another way. Having Superman Returns as a big lovefest to Donner's films resulted in a muddled mess. Make the break, film a MODERN (yes modern, 1978 was loooooong time ago) Superman film. Write some GOOD, NEW music and create a consistent vision of the Man of Steel.
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST
by frank cotton
I'M STILL WAITING FOR THE EXPLANATION AS TO WHY THE MOON'S OUT OF PHASE!
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST
"I just don't understand how anyone could dislike Zack Snyder's 300...! Until you watch the fucking movie! "... and WATCHMEN" Ditto!
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:22 a.m. CST
I did fall for Snyder's DOTD. After 300, i felt like an idiot for falling for that. My bullshit hack movie spider-sense failed me on Snyder's DOTD, to my everlasting shame.
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:24 a.m. CST
After his 300 movie? No it's not.
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST
I grew up on Curt Swan's Superman, so for me, when I close my eyes and picture Superman, it's Curt Swan's artwork that I see. He was always so rock solid and smooth that his art seems comforting and effortless. He was equally adept at both comical and serious situations which is rare.The closest artist to him is John Byrne- very prolific, and when you see the name on page 1, you know you are getting the very best. Just a classy artist and for me the most representative of DC in the 60's like Jack Kirby was for Marvel.
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST
that's how i like bats, it's def how i think of x-men, and superman is prolly a fag w/o him.
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST
asimov, by making the statement "hitting the nail on the head" I am simply stating that I am in full agreement with the comment that you left regarding the upcoming Superman movie...in fact, I couldn't have said it better myself!
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST
Many have said it before, but John Williams Superman score, iconic that it is, is associated with the Superman series started with the Donner's movies. Is it necesary to repeat it for this new series? Is it wise? No, the new series should have their own score with their own theme. The real issue is, will they be able to make a new Superman score that will be, at least, as effective as the old Williams score? Or at least be strong enough to have it's own identity? This is where i get skeptic. Becasue, in case you guys have notice,d and you certainly must have, lately there's hardly any movie scores for films which have identifiable leitmotifs and easily identifiable music themes which you came out of the theater humming the music and knowing most of the rhyme by heart fom just one movie watching. Who didn't come out of their first watch of RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK or SUPERMAN and wasn't already able to hum the theme tune? Rarely, or none of the movies made today do that in their film scores. Today, most scores, what they do is just emotional mickey mousing. Where once mickey mousing was a score pointificating the exact action that happened onscreen, today most scores what they do is to mickey mousing the emotions you are supposed to feel when you see the movie, to the point of anoyance and rejection. And i'm very certain that it is what will happen with ZACKMAN's score. It will be a collectioon of barably identifiable orchestral soudings which might sound impressive because the orchestra is playing in top volume, but in the end you will be hard pressed to even remember a single music line of it.
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:35 a.m. CST
"now he's faster than the Flash, kind of making him pointless." Superman isn't faster than the Flash. In the Flash:Rebirth mini series, Barry Allen tells Clark that he let him win their racing contests for charity. It would be silly to call Flash "the fastest man alive" if he really wasn't.
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:40 a.m. CST
Is magnificent, but this is what bought Singer down. Nostalgia is a mental illness; let go. Superman needs a fresh start. Imagine if Nolan had kept Elfman's theme and cast a Michael Keaton lookalike who stalked Vicki Vale and their bastard son.
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:42 a.m. CST
That Dawn of the Dead remake was fun, but 300 and Watchmen were soulless screensavers.
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:46 a.m. CST
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:49 a.m. CST
For me, Neil Adams superman 233 is the ultimate iconic image of the character. And, in addition to swan, been the image that most artists have modeled their versions on ever since. But quitely's version is something all new. He's a large, hulking, ripped man who, despite his muscular stature carries himself like an intellectual. Thoughtful and pensive. Like he doesn't even notice his own size and presence. Which only makes sense... Why would he.... It's not like he spends hours and hours in the gym and needs to be proud of his shape... He did nothing to earn it. Oh, and his transformation into clark Kent is nothing short of miraculous.... For the first time you can actually see how a man could hide behind only a pair of glasses and a change in body language.
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:50 a.m. CST
I guess I don't get providing a link to that image? Do you think I don't know what Lee's over-muscled scriblings look like? I mean did you really think I was going to look at that and say wow I was all turned around on Jim Lee? I don't like his drawing style, unless he reinvents his style, I'm not going to.
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:52 a.m. CST
Superman at his most muscled never works for the chacacter in my opinion because his strength comes from being an alien under a yellow sun not from working out. Supes should be an athletic example of Kryptonian physiology but not a weight lifting example - if he were to fight a fellow kryptionian that did the Krypton equivalent of 'roids and spent all day in the gym Supes should be in for a possible pasting. Ultimately I think making him hugely muscled is a prosaic, almost banal way of symbolizing his massive strength.
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST
Feb. 6, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST
Oh my goodness no. Most gay male and female science fiction fans who wanted to suck his dick liked him. It's only those of us who like a little more range than a cigar store indian who didn't want him back.
Feb. 6, 2011, 12:02 p.m. CST
by Seth Cohen
its calleed google... stop being lazy
Feb. 6, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST
by Seth Cohen
routh was one of the few standout things about an otherwise horseshit movie... but that suit blew... the changes they made sucked ass... stupid raised s, stupid drab colors... stupid high neckline, stupid s buckle
Feb. 6, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST
Frank Quitely's style is just so unique but the way he and Morrison applied it to Superman's world was the greatest thing that could have happened to the character. All-Star Superman is my favorite Supes story by far and is Mythic and faithful and great version of the character. http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/absolute-all-star-superman-frank-quitely.jpg having said that...a globetrotting Superman story sounds bad when I think about Smallville or a younger version of Superman, but if they actually had a mature, mythic version of Supes like in All-Star, going global in his fight to defend humanity, I could see enjoying the movie.
Feb. 6, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST
3D. 3D movie technology has only just reached the level attained by Viewmaster in 1939. Two distinct planes separated by blur. In other words, 3D movies look like Viewmaster and have to tailor shots to it. Even AVATAR had shots where shit is comin' at ya, only because of the 3D. Watch it again on video at home and these shots stand out as being out of place. Unfortunately a movie about a flying super hero is just the kind of thing the suits will insist on being a 3D film. If only to wring a few more dollars out of the box office. It's always disappointing to me when a new film comes out in 3D when the far superior Douglas Trumbull Showscan technology can blow any 3D image out of the water.
Feb. 6, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST
by Seth Cohen
i think he did the best he could with a thankless task... singer is to blame for the characterization and also, as a director, its his responsibility to coax a great performance from his actors. he didnt deliver. not rouths fault
Feb. 6, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST
Cus that shit was fucking beautiful.
Feb. 6, 2011, 12:21 p.m. CST
Listen to him in interviews and his has real charisma and presence. Sadly Singer had him do a Christopher Reeve impression that just didn't work. Also, most of his scenes were alongside the vacuum that is Kate Bosworth. Look at the scene with Parker Posey for what he could have been. Also: Scott Pilgrim. Yeah, nobody but me saw it, however, Edgar Wright shot and directed him more like a superhuman than Singer ever did, and he was brilliant. He is a physically huge bloke, but Singer's awful costume failed to emphasise that. Routh did OK, but could have been great were he allowed to make the character his own instead of channelling a 30-year-old performance. I'm hopefully on Cavill as it was Nolan who auditioned him, and that man can spot potential. But the problem is that he won't be directing him...
Feb. 6, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST
Too bombastic. Exaggerated.
Feb. 6, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST
I would like to see Zack Snyder do the Superman film that would harken back to the time of the orginal storyline...give it a 1940ies era look and feel (like the old tv series that starred George Reeves). I think it would be really cool to see the movie and story have the look and feel of kind of like a "Sky Captain and The World of Tomorrow" meets "300" meets "Sucker Punch". All I can say is...I am going to keep my fingers crossed that as details emerge, followed by the (almost) obligatory on the set pics and later press released photos are revealed...that this will be a film eagerly anticipated and will make the fans happy too.
Feb. 6, 2011, 12:34 p.m. CST
What's the point establishing a whole new adaptation if all you're going to do is associate it with another adaptation that's over 30 years old? The worst thing about fans is the absolute Anakin Skywalker need to to keep everything the way they remember it as a child. Christopher Reeve is not the definitive Superman, he's was the best for his period but there will better and far more accurate versions of CLark/Kal El to come long after you guys are pushing up daisies! John Williams's theme was the best Superman theme so far, undoubtedly! But you can't keep rehashing the same thing when you develop a new production. Give another composer a chance to develop something unique for this production, that's how originality and integrity is defined! And as popular as Donner's Superman was, it was in reflection a huge cheesy flick and Reeves Superman was just as cheesy. Snyder will deliver a visual piece becasue he's a visual director and considering the medium its adapted from and his track record, that's perfectly fine with me. Finally we'll get some real fighting in a Superman film instead of that cheesy WWE pantomime stuff from Superman 2.
Feb. 6, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST
Couldn't agree more...to quote UK movie critic Mark Kermode... "3D exists not to enhance the cinematic experience, but as a pitiful attempt to head off piracy and force audiences to watch films in overpriced, undermanned multiplexes. It is a con designed entirely to protect the bloated bank balances of buck-hungry Hollywood producers". Clash of the Titans was a septic arsehole of a movie, unbelievably made worse by the horrendous retro fitted 3d. I am still to be impressed by a 3d movie. Toy Story 3 and Avatar look so much better in 2d, when they don't suffer the unavoidable 30% colour loss brought about by the 3d process. I take my hat off to Nolan for choosing Imax over 3d for Inception (despite studio pressure)...In my mind a far, far more immersive and rewarding experience, his last Batman production will be the same, thank God...likewise last years Alice in Wonderland, a luke warm movie at best made so much worse by the headache inducing retro fitted 3d. If 3d hasn't died a death by the time Snyder's Superman reaches the screen (I live in hope), I would bet that it WILL be in 3d, likely a stipulation by the Studio, not to enhance the viewing experience, but to milk as many dollars out of it as is humanely possible.
Feb. 6, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST
Watchmen. Sub-par. 300. Action movie w/ no substance. Plus it was turn-key, with Miller's comic. He's going to fuck this up. They should have let Aronofsky do this and let this amateur loose on something I could care less about like Green Lantern.
Feb. 6, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST
I don't care if you think it's "campy" -- that just means you don't really give a shit about Superman so why do you care to comment anyway? The suit design is as iconic as the American flag and anyone who really is paying attention would give the flag a "reboot design". Did you once see Christopher Reeve in the movies in-costume and think he looked anything less than masculine and heroic? It all comes down to committing to the fiction of the thing 100%. That's why everyone remembers his performance so well. My final comment on this is: if the design of the suit was exactly the classic design of the comics, no one would complain. If it diverges then you can really only please some of the audience and for sure not the hardcore fans. Your choice.
Feb. 6, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST
edit: "anyone who is really paying attention would notice if they gave the flag a 'reboot design'."
Feb. 6, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST
It's that simple. Anything else but John Williams' SUPERMAN theme will pale by comparison.
Feb. 6, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST
I liked her little scene with Routh. She was cute, funny, and sweet. Plus she showed a perfect "damsel-in-distress" with that distraction created by Lex. Another mis-opportunity in SR. Whereas Kate wasn't funny, tried too hard to be tough, and her damsel in distress scenes were a joke. The plane sequence for example. As much as I loved it, what happen inside the cabin was terrible directing. I mean you're getting thrown about the cabin and you reach for a pen?! A FUCKING PEN?! Lois was ragdoll in the airplane and then she was batted across the room by one of Lex's goon in a later scene! No blood on the corner of the lips or anything. I admit Singer made some mistakes but Superman Return was still an entertaining film and Routh was the perfect Superman, IMO.
Feb. 6, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST
I know I'll probably bring down the wrath of many Supes fans when I say this, but I never liked Curt Swan's art. Every single male character looked EXACTLY the same in the face. Every one of them. Lex Luthor looked like he could be Kal-El's long lost bald brother. Now, that's not to say I have no respect for Swan...I do. As much as I do for Ditko and Kirby. I just prefer other interpretations of the Man of Steel over Swan's. He's the definitive Supes artist just as Jim Aparo was for Batman (which I also never liked very much...Bat's cowl ears looked like horns because of the shading he used). Regardless of my personal preferences, all those guys are the greats of comic history.
Feb. 6, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST
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Feb. 6, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST
by Super Joker
Love both artists. Jim Lee's use of light is often fantastic and Swan is simply iconic. I'm up for an origin makeover too. I like origin stories, and I think when you're planning a new take on a character you really need to establish it with a solid origin retelling that establishes all of your new rules and laws of your new universe. This technically can be done without the origin but ever since seeing the glimpses of "what-could-have-been" in Superman Returns I have yearned for a full-on retelling that really distances itself from the Reeve version. I am a huge fan of Reeve's Superman films, always have been, but they were of their time and I still think there's a fairly infinite amount of possibilities when it comes to Superman. What I cannot stand is how most people seem to have a single version that they refer to. Even on these talk-backs the vast majority of people were up in arms when Nolan cast Heath Ledger as Joker, and that he had face paint. They couldn't get beyond their small preconceptions and these kinds of people all throughout history have been proven time and again to be complete morons who know nothing and simply fear change for some idiotic, bizarre reason. Superman needs to change. He's in a constant state of flux in the books just like every other character but there's a core set of features that remain and that's all that needs to ring true in any movie about that character. Everything else is completely open to interpretation. This Superman movie has been a long time coming, and thank God for people like Chris Nolan who proved to practically everybody that characters do not need to remain static and that audiences like the familiar but love it when they are surprised.
Feb. 6, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST
...and my personal favorite is José Luis García-López. Anyone who grew up in the 80's will remember his art from various DC characters in stickers, coloring books, etc. In fact if you do a Google image search for the term "superman", the first few drawings of the character are his. Here's some of his work on Supes: http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/categories.php?cat_id=247 My only comment on his takes on the character is that he often made the cape too short but other than that I think he did a great "classic" Superman.
Feb. 6, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST
The best I've heard it. Definitely a different character to some of the horn sections. When you hear it try to imagine what a character would have to be doing to live up to that music. Punching thousands of godzilla sized robots is the only thing that would match that music. Yes it is the best score for a film ever done. No it should not be used unless they can make his actions in this film reflect it perfectly. It is music for another movie. It tells his origin and the events of the first 2 films. You don't just cut and paste some detached score to something.
Feb. 6, 2011, 1:14 p.m. CST
that describes to the audience that this is a terrible B movie and that they have to read some shitty text telling us that superman abandoned us for no reason- I'm in!
Feb. 6, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST
Feb. 6, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST
I can say this about returns. One of the most effective 3D things ever seen is the IMAX 3D segment with the boat sinking and everyone is trapped. There's just the light from the window and bubbles all around you in 3D. Because you couldn't see the edges of the frame in that sequence it was absolutely holographic and felt like you needed to be saved by superman or you were gonna drown. It is a moment that will not be recreated in the home until you can project at least 200 inches of 3D in your home. It is the one thing worth championing about that film. It was the best scene of singer's career
Feb. 6, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST
The John Williams score IS the Superman theme. There's no good reason not to use it, unless you want your film to resonate LESS with its audience.
Feb. 6, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST
whatsoever. Not on blu-ray either. See reviews of flawless 3D transfers like resident evil and avatar that have exactly the same brightness, color and texture detail on all objects. Not that I'm interested in a 3D tv until it's glassless and take it or leave it.
Feb. 6, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST
a few posts down i said i researched it.
Feb. 6, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST
2 things that burned me about Superman Returns was the missing S on the cape and the heels on Supermans footwear. Why heels??? WHY HEELS???? He didn't need HEELS!!!! just slipper shaped footwear, that's all he needs for footwear for cryin' out loud! I don't think it would hurt for him to appear a little more muscular than Routh but he doesn't need to look like Stone Cold Austin. And Clark better have the iconic Kent eyewear. By iconic, I mean any of the eyewear worn before - either thick black plastic or thin wired style, whichever fits Cavill-Clark
Feb. 6, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST
The only way the John Williams theme should be in a new movie is if John Williams is scoring the movie, and he isn't so give a new composer a chance to create a whole piece on his own. John Williams was not the first to musically express Superman and he should not be the last. Williams took the baton passed from the Fleisher Superman cartoon theme and the Adventures of Superman TV theme and enthusiastically built on the idea that you can practically hear the orchestra sing the syllables of the name Sup-er-man. I strongly believe a new composer should follow this tradition, but otherwise have complete freedom to do something new for our time. Do people realize the Donner/Reeve Superman is now farther long ago -- 24 years since the last Reeve appearance -- than the TV Superman was to Donner (20 years)? Did people think the 1978 film was obligated to use the TV theme? Maybe they did but they would have been wrong.
Feb. 6, 2011, 2 p.m. CST
by Righteous Brother
Kind of renders the title of this article redundant doesn't it? Oh, and I love the John Williams Superman theme, but its time to move on. This generation deserves its own Superman.
Feb. 6, 2011, 2 p.m. CST
by Super Joker
The idea behind Superman's costume is that it's easily hidden under his clothes. It's literally his underwear. The Returns suit completely went against all of that. The raised plastic looking S shield on his chest, the heavy-looking (leather?) cape, the rugged Batman-style boots - how was all that supposed to disappear under his Daily Planet garb? The neck of the costume was also tight to his neck rather than open which limited the clothes he could wear. Yeah, I'm a massive geek, but these things ought to be considered because they're part of the character, and a massive reason why his costume is composed the way it is in the comics. As an artist I really hate it when composition goes way off base and betrays the intention of the piece. On a purely logical front, why would Superman need a wardrobe. His costume has far more in common with a flag than a working, functional garment. Superman operates on altogether physics to humans. The man is invulnerable - why would he need soles on his boots like humans do? Part of being invulnerable is having invulnerable feet. His suit is strong as he is, all it does is cover up his modesty and provide a stark image. His boots should be more like socks that he wears inside his shoes, his S shield should be seamlessly and his cape should be made of what looks like incredibly light material or look like it detaches easily. They had it right in the Reeve version. Well, up until they gave it powers of its own like that wierd cellophane S he rips off and uses as some sort of special net (which promptly dissolves). Anyone know what the fuck that was all about, and more importantly, how it ended up being conceptualised, filmed, going through post and ending up in the movie without anyone thinking "WTF"?
Feb. 6, 2011, 2:06 p.m. CST
Henry Cavill was/is lifting weights yesterday...today...and tomorrow.
Feb. 6, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST
I didn't even think Katie Holes was that bad in Batman. She certainly didn't hurt it and I didn't have to cover my eyes to shield myself from Gyllenhall level ugliness. But Kate Bosworth was the worst part of Superman. I did not believe her for a second. No depth, no humor, no chemistry with Superman. She literally just read lines.
Feb. 6, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST
If you read what he's said, his "shepherding" of this movie pretty much ended when he hired Zack Snyder as director. His name is attached to this more as PR than any real artistic input. Don't expect for Nolan to get involved in any more decisions, he's got his own movie to worry about.
Feb. 6, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST
by Adelai Niska
I get that the suit is underneath Clark's daily planet clothes. I can buy that the cape might even be folded up under there. But where does he keep the boots? Does he just have a pair of bright red boots under his desk? Does he fly home before appearing as Superman and change his footwear? Have the comics ever addressed this?
Feb. 6, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST
They referenced that cellophane S in "Family Guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoqXoSDws8E
Feb. 6, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST
by Super Joker
She's a really important character and they need to get that character right as much as Clark.
Feb. 6, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST
by Super Joker
While John Williams' score for the Donner films will always be a classic, the music of the new Superman really should be re-scored based entirely on the direction of the movie and its tone. Put it this way, if, at the end of making this movie, they can put John Williams's score at the beginning and it not feel out of place - isn't that a failure? If their intention was a new take on the character then the Donner theme would feel completely off kilter if they succeeded. Just like how you couldn't put the Adam West Batman theme into the Tim Burton movie without it feeling all sorts of wrong. They should aim to re-establish absolutely everything, including the music.
Feb. 6, 2011, 2:30 p.m. CST
really aged but Bram stoker age winona would be perfect. So do that. Spend the entire effects budget to digitally create young Winona for no fucking reason just like clue
Feb. 6, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST
Superman II really sucked.
Feb. 6, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST
by Super Joker
I dunno about official explanations but I have always seen them as socks. He doesn't need boots. Why would Superman wear boots when he's invincible? To me they've always looked like socks with nothing more than a very thin sole to give them some shape, and he wore them just like socks, in his normal shoes. On a fairly unrelated note Spider-Man seemed to work on the same idea (on account of the fact a boot would prevent his sticky feet from working) I always thought the artists did a good job of making that quite clear, as both Spider-Man and Superman look like they were wearring incredibly light material. The movie versions have always bugged the hell out of me. Like anyone wouldn't notice the raised webbing under Peter's shirt and Supermans massive plastic S shield under his.
Feb. 6, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST
I'm interested to see how Snyder handles this. Reeve made me believe (as much as that is possible) that people would never connect Clark with Superman because he played him with such conviction. I mean, I knew he was Superman and still had trouble reconciling the two characters. I liked Routh a lot, but do somewhat agree with some people here that he seemed to be tasked with doing Reeve doing Superman/Clark, as as such he couldn't quite make the distinction between them strong enough. I think an additional challenge with a muscle bound Superman (assuming Henry Cavill gets majorly roided) is trying to fit a suit over him and make him not look like Arnold playing a 'normal guy' in Total Recall. Arnold always looked really silly in suits, he's just too big. Not that Cavill could possibly get that big, but you get my drift. Of course there was mention of an all CGI (or CGI enhanced?) Superman. In which case I guess Cavill could be a normal size guy as Clark, which would make the distinction between Clark and Superman stronger. Did any comics ever do that? I mean, show a noticeable physical tranformation between Clark to Supes? My money is on Cavill getting pumped up Renolds/Jackman/Evans style.
Feb. 6, 2011, 2:48 p.m. CST
Oh yeah Martin Campbell. Fucked up with casting Ryan Reynolds... Yeah I can't get enough of him being a smartass... again. Snyder... Fucked up with casting Veidt and Silk Silk Spectre. Plus opening with the most played out Bob Dylan song… Fail. 99 Red Balloons too? Again it was a turn–key project like 300. He better be happy that he didn't fuck it up. Face it, he's an amateur. And you're joking…Darren Aronofsky destroys Snyder. And… really… the old "I want to see you do better" response. You're weak.
Feb. 6, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST
by Super Joker
I love that book. I love how Martha tells him to hunch his shoulders in order to reduce his stature and to walk a certain way, but then realises the key to it all is the glasses, which dull the piercing blue in his eyes, which is one of Superman's most distinguishing features. I wear glasses and sometimes the effect they have on my appearance is profound. I've had close friends not recognise me at first glance (especially when in unfamiliar environment), or they will do a double take etc. It genuinely works, and it's one part of the whole Superman/Clark dichotomy that really does hold water. People I know at work, who only ever see me wearing glasses, haven't recognised me right in front of them in a different situation not wearing them. The only suspension of belief is the notion that someone like Lois wouldn't notice the difference after hanging around both Clark and Superman for some time. If Superman kept his distance, I reckon his tricks would work.
Feb. 6, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST
José Luis García-López actually drew the DC bible for how the characters should look. A lot of artists worked at DC just to get their hands on it. He never got the fan recognition, but many artists hold him in high regard. I do like Alex Ross's interpretation of Superman the most. Curt Swan probably drew Superman the longest, but even as a kid, I never cared for his style simply because it was too stiff and flat. Jim Lee's work is also quite stiff but he does draw great action panels. Unfortunately, drawing these panels has become more important than drawing a legible comic page...probably so he can charge more for his pages in the collector's market.
You people are out of your gourds if you think they're going to keep the Williams theme. Why on earth would they do that?
Feb. 6, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST
"I guess I don't get providing a link to that image?" What? "Do you think I don't know what Lee's over-muscled scriblings look like?" Maybe. I've never talked comics with you. " I mean did you really think I was going to look at that and say wow I was all turned around on Jim Lee?" I guess not, it seems your mind is made up. "I don't like his drawing style, unless he reinvents his style, I'm not going to." This isn't a personal attack. I am actually interested in what it is that you find wrong with Lee's "scriblings". It's your opinion and that's fine but when I think Superman I think Lee or Ross.
Feb. 6, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST
What was wrong with Reeve's portrayal of Superman?
Feb. 6, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST
by hank henshaw
I love Kingdom Come, and his old Superman is great... but when he has to paint a younger, contemporary Superman, he ends up looking just as the old Kingdom Come Superman except for the graying temples. Now, Alex Ross' women, they all look mannish.
Feb. 6, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST
Where the Watchmen hate comes from I have no idea. You just can't please certain people. They took a great comic and made a great film. Oh no, there were some pop songs in a 3 hour movie...It's a music video! If fans can't, if not love, like or even appreciate Watchmen I really don't know what to say. It's cool to hate on Snyder and swallow Nolan until you gag. Not that I don't like Nolan but there does seem to be some kind of hive mentality regarding some filmmakers. I'll take Watchmen over TDK any day. And I'm not in one directors camp over the others, I just find Watchmen to be the better film.
Feb. 6, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST
I'll associate it with the earlier films?" Really? So when you watch Bond and the theme comes up you say to yourself "What is this Dr. No...Goldfinger...I'm confused." The iconic music goes not with the films but with the character. That theme IS Superman. If they can do better, great, but I bet they can't/don't.
Feb. 6, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST
by Keith Kent
Let's please put the Williams themes behind us. Definitely something darker this time.
Feb. 6, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST
That dingy/dirty look of the cape and the micro-detail of the suit from Superman Returns is one of the things I hated about it. Oh, and don't forget to put the "S" logo on the back of the cape! And do away with that rubber "S" logo on his chest. That looked stupid beyond words. JUST MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO!!!
Feb. 6, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST
It's one of the FEW things good about the film. No, the problem was the story was a rehash of the first movie with a few additions. Keep the music, repair the suit to it's original look, and for the love of God come up with an original and engaging story! What? What's that? Ursa is in this? Good grief...
Feb. 6, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST
You people apparently want a Superman movie that isn't a Superman movie. Go fuck up the Avengers movie instead and leave Superman the hell alone. You obviously don't get the character and probably haven't read things like ALL-STAR SUPERMAN or SUPERMAN: SECRET ORIGIN, so stop wasting everyone's time with your whiny bitching.
Feb. 6, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST
of Superman comes from Alex Ross. Kingdom Come was my first real foray into Superman other than TV cartoons and the Reeves movies.
Feb. 6, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST
If they keep them, fine, but man wearing your junk holder on the outside of the blue tights was always outdated to me.
Feb. 6, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST
I'm just really nitpicky with my films. Details like song choice tells me about the level of taste a director has. A bad choice in that area sucks me out of the movie. Any bad choice sucks me out of the movie: a miscast, a bad line, etc. Sorry my expectations are just really high. If I'm anticipating a movie for a year or more, and you got me hyped up, if you don't meet my expectations I'm justified to be disappointed. Either the PR overhyped your film, or you just didn't deliver. I expect perfection. We shouldn't be forgiving with films. They're taking our favorite comic books, and the iconic figures of our lives and risking their distortion. They better do them complete justice. There is no good enough. I actually like Watchmen more than Dark Knight. But I love Batman Begins. And I love Memento and and I love The Following. but frankly. Maggie Gyllenhaal is ugly. "Hello beautiful"… Really? Aaron Eckhart has zero charisma. Christian Bale did raspy Batman voice a little bit too much in the film. Every actor knows that playing over-the-top wacky is easy. It's acting out subtle cues that's difficult. Therefore Heath ledger wasn't that great. His death elevated the performance. The movie was too long. The Two-Face subplot, tiresome. Dark Knight was a high-quality movie with a lot of flaws that I just didn't enjoy.
Feb. 6, 2011, 4:02 p.m. CST
I remember seeing Brandon Routh's first released picture as Superman, and being kind of underwhelmed. Hopefully I'll be more impressed with Henry Cavill's, and the picture that he acts in of course.
Feb. 6, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST
Then I stand corrected on the Bob Dylan comment.
Feb. 6, 2011, 4:16 p.m. CST
I was always of the nerd mentality that the effect of the yellow sun and the varying gravities of Krypton and Earth would produce denser muscle mass . With more muscle comes more calories burned and thus less bodies fat. The result would be a hard chiseled physique. Not "Bart Sears" big...more like a slightly bigger and more cut MiracleMan.
Feb. 6, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST
I love that take on the character, and Christopher Reeve was a walking version of it. I also like Wayne Boring's old variation, as well. For me, part of Superman's appeal is the old school, throwback look and feel of the character. He's wholesome, good natured, everything we WISH we were. When you start "modernizing" him to have a sculpted bodybuilder physique or drawing him with flaming red eyes and making "an angry god" out of him, you lose that. Besides, if your Kryptonian genes made you able to throw buildings around with one arm, how the hell are you supposed to work out 4 hours a day to get that 0% bodyfat look? I like him muscled, like a classical statue or a 50s/60s bodybuilder, but not ridiculously so.
Feb. 6, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST
Thanks man, i apreciate it. Thanks for clearing that up.
Feb. 6, 2011, 4:28 p.m. CST
It's 300 and Watchmen were soulless screensavers that i have no confidence and don't give any shadow of a doubt to Zack Snyder, no matter ho much i inicially liked his Dawn of the Dead remake. The man is devolving with each movie.
Feb. 6, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST
No you aren't.
Feb. 6, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST
It's still a played out song. Moron.
Feb. 6, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST
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Feb. 6, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST
Why is it with you geeks that keep pimping on the worst movies while shitting on the best? What is it? Some kind of pervertion and corruption of the natural striving for excelency? You think that by going the other direction, by striving for mediocrity you are being rebellious and stucking up to the Man? That's fucked up, man!
Feb. 6, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST
I'm not saying that Heath ledger did not interpret the Joker well. It just doesn't take the finest actor to do what he did. A number of talented actors could have easily done what Heath Ledger did. It doesn't require a lot of acting skill required to play the Joker. As far as Batman 89, I still can't except Michael Keaton as Batman. As far as Jack Nicholson, I just like Jack Nicholson. But I have no attachment to his interpretation of the character.
Feb. 6, 2011, 4:56 p.m. CST
Since you know José Luis García-López work so well, i'd like to ask your opinion of his comic serial TWILIGHT, co-created with Howard Chaykin. I haven't read it myself but it intrigues me. What's your thoughts on it?
Feb. 6, 2011, 4:59 p.m. CST
"Where the Watchmen hate comes from I have no idea. You just can't please certain people." Or maybe some people are too easy to please and fall for any con that's thrown at them. How you like the flipside of that coin, friend?
Feb. 6, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST
You don0't need to know how to build a car to know a shitty one. Same with the movies, you don't need to know how to make a movie to know when a movie is a piece of garbage. That "make a better movie" argument already died already in the 1930s, and nobody is stupid enough to fall for that anymore. I agree with your arguments about the next GREEN LANTERN, though. That movie screams turkey a mile away, which breaks my heart because i really dig Martin Campbel as a director.
Feb. 6, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST
My favourite artist on Superman was the John Byrne run. That reboot nailed everything Superman should be, and I always kinda hoped that story would get the big screen treatment. But Singer cherrypicked a few of the sequences for Returns, like the spaceplane stuff.
Feb. 6, 2011, 5:06 p.m. CST
Maggie Gyllenhaal is ugly? Are you mad? You wish you could get laid with someone looking as good as her. Only in your dreams, pal! You will never get booty whith looks close to her, much less like her.
Feb. 6, 2011, 5:11 p.m. CST
... would be to, isntead of going the full orchestral tune like williams did with something different, similiar in style to what Aaron Copland did with his piece "Fanfare for the Common Man". For those who don't know what it is, here's a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzf0rvQa4Mc For me, this is the musical direction that a Superman theme should sound like. It would be my direction if it was me in charge.
Feb. 6, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST
Curt Swan is THE Superman artist. When someone mentions Supes, I think Swan. Yes, I still read Superman, and I don't want to take anything away from current or past artists, but I still see Swan's work. It's burned into my freakin' mind. It is heartening that Snyder mentioned Swan. I don't want this Superman to look like "Watchmen" (which I dug), and I sure as hell don't want it to look like "300" (which I despised with every breath). I want it to look like Unsworth shot it. Or Connie Hall. Hell, get Roger Deakins!!! That would rock. Cavill is gonna have to hit the weights hard though, boy. Dude has to put on some weight to even come close to the Jim Lee look, but WB probably already hired an army of fitness experts to get him in the suit. As for Snyder, the guy has great instincts as a filmmaker. Yet the look of this flick is going to be very important (as far as the visual aesthetic is concerned). I remind myself that this is a joint collaboration between two titanic talents. Nolan isn't the kind of guy who doesn't have any input. This new Superman flick is going to be very good, I bet. Contrast this production with the God awful shenanigans surrounding the latest Spider-Man effort, and you'll learn a lot about how and why movies get made. Keep in mind that Columbia (Sony) is no Warner Bros.
Feb. 6, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST
Sorry man, she must look like an old crush of yours then. Because she looks like she got smashed in the face with a frying pan. Maybe she's not ugly. She's just got a fucked up nose and abnormally bulbous cheekbones. A wise sage said striving for mediocrity isn't rebellious. Jk.
Feb. 6, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST
Feb. 6, 2011, 5:37 p.m. CST
You wish you could call her yours, man, you wish.
Feb. 6, 2011, 5:42 p.m. CST
... the more i'm baffled by it. The movie would had been unbelievably bad and clueless beyond dreams. In a way, i wish that it had been made. It would sure be a trainwreck to watch! It would give pause to all the people who piss on Bryan Singer's SUPERMAN RETURNS movie. If they think that was a bad Superman movie, they should check out whar Tim Burton had in mind. It would also had done me a favour, it would had made me realise Tim Burton's fall as a filmmaker years before PLANET OF THE APES and BIG FISH and saved me time with the delusion i had about him.
Feb. 6, 2011, 5:49 p.m. CST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfcJc7j_A3Y&feature=related I can't restify to it's authenticity, but if it is, holy shit! Truly gives pause to all those who trash Bryan Singer's Superman effort.
Feb. 6, 2011, 5:49 p.m. CST
I'm a big fan of the classic costume, it's glorious, but I accept that sometimes what works on the page doesn't necessarily work on the screen. I think superhero movies work best when they try to inject a degree of realism into an otherwise fantastical subject matter, helps with the suspension of disbelief, draws you in. With Nolan's Batman (and Burton's to a lesser extent) you believe that a man with limitless wealth and access to his company's military R&D department could put the kit together to be a kick ass crime fighter - I love the evolution of the costume, how the Tumbler becomes the Batmobile, the high tech gadgets at his disposal. It works. Most other heroes are just your average shmoe, limited budget, certainly limited sewing skills ... so it never looks right if they're decked out in latex, or some exquisitely coutured costume. Raised detailing? Come on! So, for the big screen, yeah I think they should ditch the trunks ... the just don't make sense, no one in 2011 would make that conscious costume choice, let alone a corn fed farm boy from Kansas. The belt has no purpose either. Also, how does a farm boy or his mother put some sort of workable hero costume together anyway? I like the notion put forth in Earth One where Ma Kent unravels threads from material found in Kal El's spaceship then weaves it back into the Superman outfit, but she's doing to need to be a demon seamstress to pull that off. I don't buy it. I reckon the most plausible explanation (for a near indestructible flying alien with heat vision ;o) ) would be that the suit is adult Kryptonian ceremonial dress as worn by the House of El, the S being the family crest adorning the chest, perhaps holding the cape in place - keep the vibrant red and yellow, but the rest of the costume should be a rich deep blue, no trunks or belt, running cleanly down to those ass kickin' red boots. It could have been among the things sent in the spaceship by Kal El's parents ... a relic of his homeworld that seems to fit the purpose he requires of it, striking, functional, near indestructable like himself. As for Superman's build, looking back I don't think Christopher Reeve had quite the right build but he carried it off anyway ... I think he needs to be tall, and well built, muscular but not HUGE - just enough to convey a sense of power and strength.
Feb. 6, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST
Plenty to mention but here's a few immediate ones: Mishandling the ending, and not because it wasn't the 'Squid' but because nobody in that universe would believe America's weapon going renegade; they would all consider it an American conspiracy. Just look at the people who claim 9/11 was a self-inflicted one! The fact that Snyder chose to blow up other cities means there is no way the Soviets wouldn't think they were in on it and nuke them in a second. So, the common enemy bit is bogus. Then we have the 'Nothing ever ends' scene completely missing. You know, the one that completes Veidt's arc and is far more powerful than him being socked by Nite Owl. The film never gives us that moment where Veidt questions what he's done might not work. Another: Snyder took these ORDINARY people and turned them all into superheroes. He just didn't quite understand the subtext to the story. Nite Owl is a middle-aged guy who's out of shape. Why is he doing Batman flips and kicks? Why is Silk Spectre surviving explosions and jumping through roofs? Yeah, it looks cool, but it betrays the logic the story demanded and just sums up Snyder's approach: doesn't make sense, but it's shiny and sweet! Like crap wrapped in a bright sweet wrapper. People dig it, so fair play I guess, but some of us just want more.
Feb. 6, 2011, 6:07 p.m. CST
Isn't ugly. She's quirky looking though, I understand why some don't find her attractive, but she is not ugly. Besides, she's a good actress. We see people bemoan 'pretty people' who can't act in films, and yet as soon as a good actress pops up who isn't the pinnacle of beauty they get slammed!
Feb. 6, 2011, 6:13 p.m. CST
I think she's a fairly talented actress. But seriously, if I saw Bruce Wayne walk into a party with her, I would say, "Bruce, baby, what's with the butterface?".
Feb. 6, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST
is the genetics of Kryptonians. They all have big and cut physique.
Feb. 6, 2011, 6:20 p.m. CST
by Super Joker
Only heroes like Batman and Iron Man get away with cool costumes. They have the money, knowledge, contacts and resources to put together their suits. They also have people around them to help them out with these kinds of things too. Spider-Man's costume seems to be a continual problem when it comes to the movie version, because he has no money or sewing skills, and is essentially alone in his quest with nobody close to really confide in. Nobody buys it when he magically ends up in a professional looking suit, perfectly tailorred to his anatomy. Superman is somewhere in the middle I guess. His costume is as strong as he is but where did it come from? The only way you can buy him having that costume is if he was always destined to wear it, and was sent with him in his ship. The idea of him having threads and someone making the suit from them is creeping over into Spider-Man's predicament a bit. There has been a few origins where Supes has been shown taking cloth from the ship and using his laser vision to stitch the costume together - again, that's really bending the rules a little too much. The idea that anyone stitched Supermans suit together is a bit of a joke. I like the idea of it being a house of El uniform, sent in the ship, and it looks awesome because it's alien and is capable of shifting as his physique changes over the years. It's just made of alien lightweight 'clever' fabric. That'll do. Then that way there's no need for the trunks, or heavy thick-soled boots or other human shit that makes it look like he's flying around in his underpants. I like the idea of making the costume regal and alien but also incredibly sleek and simple so that it really is like a second skin which would be perfect for hiding under his "Clark" costume. I suppose the idea is to show that the Superman costume is his real clothing that allows him to be free, while the Clark costume is the cumbersome disguise that he is uncomfortable wearing, not the other way around.
Feb. 6, 2011, 6:43 p.m. CST
Last I checked, the last time the Superman origin story was told in a film was 33 YEARS AGO. Hardly recent enough for this many people to be saying "ugh, God, again?!" Personally, I'd love to see a great Superman origin / Krypton destruction scene with today's technology. What's the big deal?
Feb. 6, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST
Dawn of the Dead was great. 300 was... stylish... if anything. But Watchmen... Well it started, middled, and almost ended well until he managed to miss the entire fucking point of everyone's story except Rorschach and mooted the entire point of Manhattan and destroyed any humanity in Ozymandias. In my opinion he's on a downhill trend and while this movie will probably look fantastic I'm hoping he won't miss the point again and complete his transformation into Michael Bay 2.0
Feb. 6, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST
Make it like the Batman movie costumes, where he's not wearing that lame underwear over his tights..that is fucking ridiculous on film.
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:41 p.m. CST
This is failure central.
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:57 p.m. CST
I grew up as a mostly Marvel kid, with a direct fondness for Batman over at DC. I was a cynical kid... the uber-optimism and hail-to-the-chief nature of Superman never appealed to me. An all-powerful Demi-God doing charity work to save a mortal planet, with nary a foil to stop him... I just never fell in love with it. But it seems like, film-wise, people have been brainwashed by the approach of the Donner original. Don't get me wrong, its a great film--especially for its time, and in adapting something that had barely ever been adapted before(comic books). But when Singer delivered essentially the same exact experience, people hated it. "It's too emo, it leans too heavily on nostalgia, Superman is a wimp, all we want to do is see Superman fight." Well, if you want a balls-to-the-wall galactic action flick of Superman beating the christ out of another super-powered villain and levelling whole cities in the process, I'd say its a safe bet that Snyder will deliver. Thats what he does. But for those of you hoping for a nostalgic, John Williams-driven romp that follows the Donner film thematically... prepare to be disappointed. Plot structure and character arcs are not Snyder's game. I think this will be a Superman film unlike any other live-action iteration that we've seen. Is that a good thing? I don't know. But its got me excited for the film, which is 100% more than I could say if Singer was back on board.
Feb. 6, 2011, 10:58 p.m. CST
"...some people are too easy to please and fall for any con that's thrown at them." I wasn't conned. I liked the film.
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:02 p.m. CST
That was just awsome and im not even stone, my brain was taken away and I was picturing storylines and images and also wwhhaaats and what ifs? That was great, i never thought of superman or the reason of supermen/krypton like that , that was cool im of course replyin to like 3 of your posts, one the whole color suit thing which is yes why not do that kubrick style to fuck with us and then the why of destiny of choice and who were these kryptonians lol and the more why of his weakness posts. jesus, your posts made me high..... Anyway 300 was great and SuckerPunch looks insane without a doubt Zack Synders Superman will blow us away if its not a 1920s version and if it is then how is that something we've never seen? I dont think thats what we mean by seeing something new and something we've never seen before. It has to be modern.. With aSS much matrix flying shots slowmotion "this is sparta""my queen, my wife " tear jerk moments as possible ... ;/ really? 90s comic book art work was lame? Sober people have no taste.
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:04 p.m. CST
...Superman Yet! It's like he's going gaga for 'Pumping Iron'! Please make this about character instead of the Terminator in tights!
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:09 p.m. CST
We are past the early years where censors made Superman wear boxers (yes they were boxers at first) over his tights! It looks fucktarded in this day and age! In further news does anyone believe that eye glasses constitute an adequate disguise, especially in this era of digital recognition software? This does not meet the criteria for suspension of dis-belief!
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:22 p.m. CST
I heard from the local funny book store they thought it was good. I seem to remember (don't quote me on this) that there were seems on the side or on the outside of the abdominals on the costume that made it look less "tights-ish." I know it got crapped on because the cover had Clark with a hoody on and made him look kind of emo, but the final product didn't get massacred (not saying it was an astounding critical success either). Anyway, I'm a fan of birthright so I was wondering why the heck they did another origin, but to my recollection they're going to do an earth one for Batman and some other DC icons as well.
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:24 p.m. CST
"I like the idea of making the costume regal and alien but also incredibly sleek and simple so that it really is like a second skin which would be perfect for hiding under his "Clark" costume. I suppose the idea is to show that the Superman costume is his real clothing that allows him to be free, while the Clark costume is the cumbersome disguise that he is uncomfortable wearing, not the other way around." This just shows me that you don't get Superman. He IS Clark Kent, Superman is what he can do and will do because of the way he was brought up by Ma and Pa Kent.
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:28 p.m. CST
Don't know if these were for Abrams or Singers deal, but I think these are good designs without the undies. I don't care about them that much, but if you're gonna go without, I think it works just fine. http://splashpage.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/superman.jpg http://www.waveish.com/iwave/images/37/o-unused-superman-designs-for-bryan-singer-s-superman-returns-and-j-j-abrams-superman-flyby.jpg
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:37 p.m. CST
Traditional Superman canon holds that his powers are simply enhanced by yellow sun energy. On Krypton, they were all normal because they lived under a red sun( which is actually a dying star and the reason Krypton was destroyed). By this logic, Superman is able to travel through space as long as there is yellow sunlight around. Also, the closer he is to the sun, the more energy he is able to gain, thus making him more powerful(hence the ending of Superman Returns). Because Krypton orbited a dying star (or red sun) the energy and radiation was way lower, causing the people to be humanoid in ability( though much further advanced, technologically) and causing Krypton itself to be covered in ice, which is why the fortress of solitude is in the north pole
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:40 p.m. CST
Not that I don't dig your ideas or interpretations, you just mentioned that you weren't 100% familiar with Superman canon, so I was simply trying to inform you
Feb. 6, 2011, 11:42 p.m. CST
He should go back to Reign of the Superman and go from there. In the original Schuster and Siegel shirt story, his first appearance, he came to earth to enslave mankind-when DC bought the property he was made into a hero
Feb. 7, 2011, 12:06 a.m. CST
He's showing his creepy "man love" For Blandon Routh, while calling into question OTHERS taste? Really? Oh, and bringing up WORSE ideas for Superman films to say "See, you should be HAPPY Singer gave you a boring, creepy, pedarast-ic, deadbeat dad!" is pathetic. Given the choice between a shit sandwich and a shit sundae, I choose NEITHER, dickhead....
Feb. 7, 2011, 12:19 a.m. CST
the material for Superman's costume was actually the garments Jor El and Lara wrapped him in. The costume was sewn by Martha Kent, who, being a 1930's farm wife, was a rather prolific seamstress...
Feb. 7, 2011, 12:26 a.m. CST
Ohhhkay,jesus, lets pretend like some of you work out and your comments are valid..lol, to think about it, this guy would be huge and his alien mucsle would grow faster then ours. Your sayin things like "he can left buildings with one arm and he wouldnt have to work out" lol so gay but if you think about it in the cartoons and the comic books they have him working out every day or episode or comicbook/ series. Flying faster, lifting trains, catching cars,bullets, trucks contruction mobile machines, fighting robots,villians, darkside, gaint aliens,racing the flash, catching humans who seem to fall every 2minutes off of high buildings,turning the planet back and solvin time travel,beatin up astros and in a really lame movie diggin down and liftin a whole continent out to space which lets hope doesnt come back and impact earth,on a regular bases.Thats pretty much a work out routine folks,like if you jerk off with one hand, that arm will be slightly stronger then the arm you dont.I dont knwo about you but when I fly, lift cars ,trains, trucks or fight i feel really tired and its as if i worked out every bone in my body and I as a human rarely do any of these things. Now Imagine if you were a kypton and did this all the time and I mean ALL the time while having the yellow sun to heal and recover you faster while at the same time makin you stronger? You would build muscle. Annnd If all this was just so easy he wouldnt yell and or scream after hitting, lifting,throwing stuff and flying ( he has one sec to get to mexico cause the labor laws are terrible and horhey is fallin off a building flyin type of times ) Everything that makes superman a superMAN makes him get bigger but if he only did these things once an awhile he would mostly be the whole inshape out of shape beef ball he once was which is not a Superman I would want to see in the big screen or Comics. Does anyone think the cartoons right now are really doin it right, like the crisis on two earths ,Public Enemies, The justice league series on cable?
Feb. 7, 2011, 12:36 a.m. CST
Considering that the same folks on these talkbacks are so angry about Spiderman's suit being updated. Damned if you do, damned if you dont
Feb. 7, 2011, 3:33 a.m. CST
So speak for yourself. I just think underwear over pants is ridiculous. For that matter does Spiderman where underwear over his red and blue suit?
Feb. 7, 2011, 3:41 a.m. CST
...End with Clark turning into a dork so his glasses will be a "believable disguise when he dons the outfit. (Which I hope they cleaned, considering it is the same one Brandon Routh wore in Superman Returns). The first 5 seasons of Smallville plus the 3 seasons of Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman proved that Clark doesn't have to be a dork. And since each version of Superman is it's own Universe, I really wish he had ended up with Lana in this one. The chemistry between Kristen Kreuk and Tom Welling was palpable and can't be manufactured. I also don't understand the need for the elaborate erasure of Chloe. Can't they just shift the focus onto Lois without all this unnecessary contrivance with the simpler explanation that she is moving on with her life. And killing off Jimmy Olson was Stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Having his little brother be the real Jimmy Olson was even stupider. Having said all that I think Henry Cavill will make a superb Superman. I'm not so sure of the writing directing team. (Wouldn't a Jim Cameron Superman be awesome?!?) Good luck Henry, and congratulations!
Feb. 7, 2011, 6:30 a.m. CST
Feb. 7, 2011, 8:01 a.m. CST
any of you mouth breathers say. It was a pitch perfect adaptation. He had a few emotional scenes in the film, but I guess you all missed them. The directors cut, not the theatrical version. Zack is a good choice for Superman because of his filming style. It will set his film apart from what has come before and will likely allow for more spectical.
Feb. 7, 2011, 10:19 a.m. CST
talentless geek hacks. i'm sure he's mentioning Curt Swan to have the geeks in his side too.
Feb. 7, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST
I apologize if I offended-I was simy referring to the damned if you do damned if you don't dilemma that faces filmmakers. As for your thoughts on Smallville, I couldn't agree more, though Lana did annoy me at times. But there is no need to make Clark into the archetypal nerd he's always been, as the whole mythology of the show has developed on it's own at this point. The show should end with it's own canon instead of trying to fit neatly with the comics.
Feb. 7, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST
Even as a kid, I thought that was weird.
Feb. 7, 2011, 2:05 p.m. CST
He prefers the Superman look THAT MAKES NO SENSE BECAUSE HIS POWER DOESN'T COME FROM BEING MUSCULAR AND IN FACT HAVING SUPER STRENGTH WITHOUT WORKING OUT WOULD MAKE HIM AUTOMATICALLY LESS MUSCULAR. For f*ck's sake Snyder. For f*ck's sake.
Feb. 7, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST
Color me officially impressed...
Feb. 7, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST
by Super Joker
This archetype was dissected somewhat by Alan Moore with his Ozymandias and Dr. Manhatten characters in Watchmen. Superman is a leader and a living, breathing God. Part of being a God is looking God-like, and that means aspiration, and one way in which that is done is to display the character as some sort of adonis and an example of peak physical condition. He has to look imposing, strong and powerful in order for people to admire him but also fear him a little. Superman is like a modern version of Atlas or something. His powers negate the need for him to be massive but his physique needs to certainly be impressive in order for the iconography to work effectively. Having a ripped Superman wouldn't work because it would be lost behind the suit, so for the movies I suppose they have to compensate with a larger build. Spider-Man works as both muscular and scrawny due to his character being one of huge responsibility being given to a mortal, and generally his smaller stature allows him to remain an underdog character and fits the idea that nobody really looks up to him. Batman also works as multiple builds because of his theatric persona and his costume being the driving force. Superman however generally has to look like a SUPER MAN in order to work. But things can change and there may be a time when he is an underdog with a small physique and the Superman moniker refers more to his heroic qualities than to his physical strength.
Feb. 7, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST
Feb. 7, 2011, 7:13 p.m. CST
by Larry Knowles
I think the image would survive without the red undies. Twould be nice to have a belt/strap thingy around the waste. Also, Harry, if you still have my red undies (and if you have not soiled them) would you please send them to me via USMail. I could provide a self-addressed envelope. Your loving brother, Larry
Feb. 7, 2011, 7:20 p.m. CST
by Larry Knowles
Are you saying that Superman SHOULD be ripped...or should NOT be ripped? I think you are saying that he SHOULD be ripped, but you don't think they can pull it off in the movie because of the suit...? I agree with you if you are saying that he should be ripped in the movie. I don't agree with you if you are saying they can't pull it off. They could easily pull off a ripped Superman in the movies if they wanted through a variety of practical and CG effects. Wouldn't be a problem.
Feb. 7, 2011, 7:44 p.m. CST
i'm confident. the music well.. i wanted the old school Donner but now it's been tainted with (SR) so like somebody said here its time for a new beginning. please don't make him dark or ripping somebodys head off, i do want a fight but a tactful fight. the outfit.....i'm torn, it does need updating but how? i would say the closest would be the eradicator's costume from reign of the supermen story. no black though
Feb. 7, 2011, 8:25 p.m. CST
Man, I couldn't disagree with you more. Erica Durance has it all over Kristin Kreuk and her mopey, boring Lana. She's funny, attractive, upbeat -- everything Lana wasn't (and in a way everything that Kirsten Dunst's MJ in the Spidey films SHOULD have been). I think Smallville got its second wind when Kreuk left. And I'm not blaming her per se, just the character became really stale and boring as written. I'm thrilled she's not coming back personally, but to each his own.
Feb. 7, 2011, 10:56 p.m. CST
John Williams' Superman March IS Superman. All you haters out there who want Hanz Zimmer to score it are idiots. Hanz Zimmer does everything via computer and has no clue how to write a character theme much less actually orchestrate. Can you hum a Hanz Zimmer theme for me?? Hmm? Hum the Batman "theme" Zimmer used in Dark Knight....what? You don't remember it? Huh. Odd. Ok Well hum the theme from Pirates of the Caribbean. ? Can't? Why? Because Hans Zimmer has his place as background fodder. Synthesized buzzing and drum beats. Yeah that would be excellent for the new Superman!! Stupid idiots who have no idea what goes into making a score as brilliantly as WIlliams' does. You can hum all his themes. And a Superman movie without the Superman theme is going to push a lot of fans the wrong way and dare I say it may actually effect the movie? Hmm. You idiots who want these unknown composers to score like TRON LEGACY should be shot. IF this guy is good at making movies, he'll know to include Williams theme even if they make it darker. Fraking idiots.
Feb. 7, 2011, 11:09 p.m. CST
by Cal L.
As much as I love John Williams theme and would love to add another Williams' inspired Superman soundtrack to my collection, I really think this movie needs to separate itself from what has come before and have its own identity. The Williams' theme will always make me think of the Christopher Reeve movies. Snyder's version needs to define itself on its own terms.
Feb. 8, 2011, 10:35 a.m. CST
by Joe Nica
There is no one who can play this character! Doesn't matter how good the script is (prolly sucks dick), or the director (does in fact suck dick), no actor I can think of can play this character and no no-name actor will be able to carry the part.
Feb. 8, 2011, 10:41 a.m. CST
by Joe Nica
get the fuck outta here - this movie is going to suck fat dick!
Feb. 8, 2011, 5:50 p.m. CST
I think people aren't giving John Williams enough credit. I certainly agree that this new Superman film must be set apart - but losing Williams' themes and him as even a possible contender for the score would be a mistake in my opinion. I know Williams' works rather well - especially his concert works (Cello elegy, Bassoon piece, violin concerto) - and while you can hear "John Williams" in his concert works - they still remain a departure from his "ear candy" film themes. HIs Elegy for cello is dark and brooding - but full of emotion. Because I know Williams can adapt his style in various ways, I think he could do the same for this Superman. It's all about what the director wants and communicates to the composer. I really do not want another The Dark Knight score that's simply pounding background noise with some high pitched alarm like sounds that are held for dramatic effect. Williams' can be new and different while still incorporating his Superman themes - even if they are darker variations - if that's the way Snyder wants to go. I'm just scared will get a forgettable score that's all synthesized and unimaginative. People posted here that they did not want Superman's costume to be muted in color because the brightness of colors emanates what Superman is all about. The same with his themes. I don't want them screwed with or replaced. So while I do think this Superman needs to go in a different direction - I believe that Williams could certainly go there too.
Feb. 8, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST
Seems you have a penis fetish. And perhaps you've been watching too much gay porn?
Feb. 8, 2011, 5:53 p.m. CST
Watchman sucked ass. It was slow, boring and pointless. Without the slow-mo crashing out of the window scene - this movie would not be in any way rememberable. I'd rather watch ISHTAR.