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Sounds Like A Robin May Appear In THE DARK KNIGHT RISES...
Merrick here...
THIS brief newslet posted at the website for Michigan television station WILX revealed a potentially interesting tidbit about the filming of, and a character in, THE DARK KNIGHT RISES.
According to Eaton County and Grand Ledge officials who didn't want to be identified due to confidentiality agreements, production crews from "The Dark Knight Rises" scouted locations in Grand Ledge's Fitzgerald Park last week.
They looked at the Ledges as well as a water treatment plant located inside the park. Sources say the area is being considered as a hideout for Batman sidekick Robin.
Interesting (if true).
So here's the question (again, presuming these details are accurate): does "Robin" actually refer to Batman's sidekick Robin? Or, might someone be circuitously referring to Hugo Strange, who a bevy of recent rumors (like THIS ONE) have suggested might be played by Robin Williams? Yes, I know the piece indicates "sidekick" - but I wonder...
If WILX's source is referring to the sidekick Robin? As long is he's played by Justin Bieber, I'm all for it. For whatever it's worth, the WILX report does dovetail somewhat with recent indications that TDKR is scouting locations in Michigan (like THIS write-up at OnLocationVacations).
I'd also imagine that this kind of leak (if there's any validity to it), while fun for folks like us, could potentially dampen Team Nolan's interest in shooting in the area. Or, perhaps their interest was already dampened, hence the supposed leak?
Thanks to Dynamicb for pointing us towards this. Again,this is all rather...undefined...so consume with a grain of salt.
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Scouting locations doesn't mean anything. Who are these sources?
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there's no way this universes batman would endanger a child. then again, this batman talks like cookie monster to grown men....
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Feb. 5, 2011, 10:24 a.m. CST
"As long is he's is played by Justin Bieber, I'm all for it"
by John-Locke
Hate to be one of those people who gets satisfaction by pointing out mistakes but surely you mean isn't played by Bieber, or is there something you want to tell us Merrick?
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about five times
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There will be no Robin.
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Please have a shot of Robin playing his playstation.
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Seriously, does all this site do is post the most crappy of all the speculation rumors? How about posting relevant fact-based news rather than speculative. Every time I read news about TDKR, it sounds like a bunch of horseshit. Turning into AintitFauxNews at this rate.
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Didn't we just hear he's in talks for the film for an unknown role?
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Robin Williams has been rumored for a Batman film since Batman Forever. I suspect that he would love to do one so his publicist keeps "leaking" bullshit like this. David Goyer has also said there will never be a Robin in any Batman film he is associated with, so I wouldn't worry about it. Everyone at Warner Brothers knows introducing Robin opens a dangerous door none of them want to walk through.
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My trust needs to be restored in order to trust AICN with batman news. This doesn't help...
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TDKR is filming in England, Detroit and India. No Chicago this time, which is odd given its prominence in the last two films.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I recall Nolan saying a while back that there would be no Robin in his films. Thank. Fucking. God. I mean, yeah, Morrison has done great things with Robin (Damien) in Batman & Robin, but other than that, he's a terrible character and makes Batman seem like a pedophile. Please don't put Robin in this film. Please? Thanks.
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They always said they wouldn't, so I'm going to go with that. But if they did find a good way for everyone to ok it (Bale, Goyer) then by all means. Especially if Joseph Gordon Levitt is playing him. In Nolan I trust.
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This is why people don't take you guys seriously anymore. Because you say things like the above listed statement about Justin Bieber. That little hemorrhoid has no talent, and certainly doesn't belong in an all start cast laden film directed by Christopher Nolan. I'm not chiding you for enjoying the kid (to whatever capacity you do), if that's your thing. I'm bemoaning attention that this website pays to talentless child hack stars. Last week it was Harry going on about how much he loves Willow Smith's "Whip my Hair Back and Forth" trash and now this statement. These kids will end up at the bottom of a child star run off, that coalesces in a pool of failure. Where they belong.
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Surely Robin will appear? The whole point is that Batman needs someone to pass the mantle to. In fact both Nolan's Bat films have hammered home the message that Bruce can't do this forever. It can be done, it just needs to be done well.
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Robin makes NO sense in the comics, so I fail to see how he will make sense in the Nolanverse. Plus the fact that Nolan has always maintained he'd never have Robin in his Batman trilogy. TDK made a metric fuck-tonne of money - including Robin to attract the teen crowd is pointless - teens saw the shit out of TDK. In fact the only demographics that DIDN'T see TDK was the unborn and the dead.
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As a fan of Batman for over 45 years, I'd like to see Robin in the Nolan universe (if for no other reason than to make us all forget Chris O'Donnell); however, a 10 to 15 year old kid-crimefighter doesn't BELONG in Nolan's universe just like he wouldn't belong in reality. Nolan's universe is, of all the versions of Batman we've seen on the celluloid and the printed page, the most realistic. And it's that grounding in reality that makes them so great. But let's face it, Robin would not work in reality and, therefore, Robin would not work in the Nolan universe. For example, a 10 to 15 year old kid would not be believable in his ability to fight grown up men with the skills that took Bruce Wayne a lifetime to acquire. But moreso, the idea that Nolan's Wayne would take in a child does open up those old charges of wreakless endangerment of a child and, of course, the overtones of sexual relationships between the two. I'd love to see how Nolan could do it, I believe he could; but, at this point, I have my concerns.
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I doubt it'll happen, but if it does . . . I think it's cool. Batman has always been a "legacy" character in the comics. Some fanboys might not want to admit it or acknowledge it, but Robin has always been part of the mythology. The character of Robin could serve as something of a salvation for Batman. Where the last movie ended, he was reviled by Gotham and hunted by the police. Robin could be used to bring Batman "back into the light." Through their team-up, Gotham might be able to see Batman for who he really is. His character could be spun out of the Batmen that were running around in Gotham in The Dark Knight. He could be out on his own, fighting crime, and Batman saves him one night. Batman would prefer him not to be out there, but if he is, if he can't stop him, then at least he can help him. Batman doesn't have to be alone. Robin could be an older, more sophisticated character. He doesn't have to be the boy wonder. He should be a little younger than Bruce, but it doesn't have to be by much. Joseph Gordon-Levitt could play him and that would be fine by me. I'm not saying I *WANT* Robin in this movie, but I like the character and IN NOLAN I TRUST.
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Here's how Robin could MAYBE be written into the Nolanverse: Dick Grayson is a 12-year old orphan who is trying to be one of the "copycat" Batmen. Although he has some real fighting/acrobatic talent, he gets the living bejeezus beat out of him before Batman saves him, and has to bring him back to the Batcave for medical attention (fear toxin, maybe?) Bruce sees the kid having a similar story to his own, and decides to adopt him (by the end of the movie.) This would show a softening of Batman's character, and would humanize Bruce somewhat, making him put on a more mature face. (The adoption could be one of those Angelina Jolie-type publicity moves for Bruce.)
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fuck all you simple minded people who have been programmed to think in terms of "trilogies" now as something natural. There were Batman films before this and Batman films after it. Why does it matter if he throws a new take on Robin in there if someone else is going to "reboot" if afterwards. And Dark Knight wasn't even that good (nor the first one) so don't get your panties in a bunch and let Nolan have some creative license to mix things up.
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Can you people really not detect sarcasm? It was obviously a joke. Just sit back and relax and stop the internet so damn seriously.
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Why not go the Dark Knight Returns route, cast a girl? Cast Ellen Paige?
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I'm up for Robin Williams as Hugo Strange though
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I have no doubt that, if he's actually in the film, Robin will be handled with the same respect and care as Batman was and when the film comes out all the naysayers will be changing their tune. Nolan doesn't skim over character arcs. All the folks saying that Robin won't work in the Nolanverse of Batman are idiotic.
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Yeah, well, Raimi said he didn't want Venom, either. Also, I just love the way any mention of Robin brings the homophobes out of the woodwork. Sorry to break it to you, but Robin's been around for 70 years.
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is that Robin is going to be another vigilante, perhaps inspired by Batman - but a successful one that gets his attention, unlike the idiots in The Dark Knight. I'm inferring this as the article suggests he has his own hideout.
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Nolan himself said Robin would not appear until Batman was much older. So, no. Besides which, Nolan lacks the chops to direct a realistic Robin. Yes, I said it. In his universe, he would not be able to make a teenage boy fighting alongside Batman believable, unless it was only as a driver or something.
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but I do hate the fact that movies have to be triologies these days... how about we ask for good movies, be it 2 movies or 8? fucking movie terminologies
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Only sidekick I could imagine working in Nolan's world is someone pretending to be Batman while he's being 'hunted' by Gordon.
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Why's he got a hideout?
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DC sure pushes him on TV. Leader of Teen Titans, leader of Young Justice, lots of cameos in Batman Brave and the Bold, and working on a Graysons show. Face it, you can't do an old Dark Knight with Clint Eastwood without killing off a kid. It wouldn't be the end of the world if he was in it, just handle it well.
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...and introduce Dick Grayson as Nightwing, who unlike Robin could actually work in the Nolanverse (esp. as part of the yearning-for-a-successor arc started in TDK). JGL would be a shoe-in. Of course, that doens't make this rumor any less bullshit, but still, it's fun to speculate. BTW, Merrick missed a trick there: "Yes, I know the piece indicates "sidekick" - but boy, I wonder..."
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Who says Robin would be a kid/teen? Because it was in the comics? Other things have not been faithful about this series of films, why not have an older Robin of some kind? I doubt the report is correct at all, and there are already enough characters without throwing Robin in too, but if Nolan wants it, I'm sure he's got a plan for how to make it fit in. Stop thinking of only the Robins you are familiar with.
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Let's all point and laugh.
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Christian Bale was quoted way back around the time of Batman Begins that if Robin were introduced into this series of films, he'd be leaving/quiting. He indicated he'd refuse to be involved in any Batman film that had that character in it. Kudos to him. Unless it would be done just right, it'd be just as ridiculous as previous attempts.
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I can see Nolan using the Robin character in a completely different way. Alfred gets sick and Batman needs another support avenue or maybe even one of those copycats from the beginning of Dark Knight who is actually good and who's name just happens to be Robin. After finding Ledger to play the Joker, I just can't criticize Nolan's judgement till he gives me a reason too.
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when a guy is afraid to end a relationship, so he just acts like an asshole 'til the other person isn't interested anymore. "God, I don't want people to keep demanding Batman movies out of me. But, what if casting Anne Hathaway ISN'T enough? Fuck it, we're putting Robin in it..."
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What kind of Tards are reporting this? Even Bale himself said he wouldn't do it if a "Robin" was introduced.
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and they join forces only in the last third of the film...
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Feb. 5, 2011, 11:11 a.m. CST
People who took Merrick seriously about Bieber being Robin = Retards.
by Judge Briggs
Really.
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Many cannot even think of one without the other.
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Just look at Schumacher's gay fests. A grown-up Robin fighting side-by-side with Batman comes off super gay. They are the inspiration for The Ambiguously Gay Duo for crying out loud! If you're gonna have Robin, make it accurate to the comics and have him be an 8 year old boy. The whole point is that Batman is bat-shit crazy, and putting a child in danger reaffirms that fact.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrvMTv_r8sA
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we have some who are outlining the movie, some calling people dumb for wanting a "Batman" character in a Batman film, and some bringing up Bale would "quit" if Robin comes on board (which I doubt he wrote in his contract "I will quit if Robin appears") how about we just try to sit back and patiently wait for what should be another great installment... or at least until we can bitch about the set pics
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with Jon Stewart. Just saying.
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Shame that you nerds don't understand when somebody is writing in JEST.
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Easiest way to get Robin into something that resembles the Nolanverse. If they have Bane, they can do Robin if only for the second half of the movie.
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I have at least two full comic boxes of Batman and Batman-related stuff which is almost completely devoid of any Robin content. I literally don't buy any Batman book that features Robin. Except I did buy the recent Morrison/Quitely Batman. Hated it.
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...that there was no way in hell he'd do another Batman flick if there was a Robin character included. Has he changed his mind, will he not be playing Batman or is this all just bullshit? I'm choosing #3 myself.
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As long as he is about 17-18, and a badass like tim drake, or dick grayson. DAMIAN WAYNE is also awesome as an arrogant robin
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Nolan's films continue to impress and surprise me and and there's lots of great character and story potential with Robin. What hasn't worked in past live-action incarnations of Robin is his age - he's been far too old.
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just have the whole dick grayson storyline, IE, dick losing his parents around he same age as bruce, bruce recognizing their shared pain and doing everything in his power to shield that child from the pain and loneliness he felt as a child providing some sort of catharsis for bruce, bringing him out of his complete obsession with being batman and allowing him to enjoy life a little bit... no robin... but still has the character... great storyline
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People don't always say what they mean, retards. You believe everything that comes out of an actor's mouths when they are on Entertainment Tonight promoting a movie. goddman you're dumb.
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....is really beginning to suck! They post stupid shit like this, so all you lil lambs will read the article and post on the message boards, driving their traffic and generating their revenue. I enjoy the art of film and I enjoy reading about what movies are coming down the road. This website has become a buzzkill for me personally. The people in charge are assholes and NONE of them can write a professional article that's worth a damn. I enjoy reading the talkbacks. The commentary is really funny. This website should stop taking itself so seriously and just provide a forum for people to communicate back and forth. This website is a gimmick. The authors don't care about movies and they sure as he'll haven't produced anything that amounts to credible news in a long time. Talkbackers make this a great site. Harry and his merry band of assholes should allow the site to operate independent from themselves. They want you to believe they have a sophicasted place that advances the art of film. They want you to believe they are knowledgeable, have an inside track, and are professionals. Truth is they're just a bunch of hacks who successfully found a niche in the internet revolution almost two decades ago. They've been riding the wave ever since. Now that's it's come to shore, they want to be taken seriously. Harry is a sham and knows nothing about movies. People come for the talkbacks. Fuck you AICN!
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Feb. 5, 2011, 11:35 a.m. CST
Who cares about Robin when Ursa's going to be in Snyder's Superman?
by Snookeroo
Just sayin'.
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But it is too early in Batman's career for Dick Grayson to enter the picture. Batman doesn't even have the "real" Batcave, yet. Or the "real" Batmobile for that matter.
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WILX is a toolshed news station on the outskirts of Lansing run by college kids and pot smoking writers. I wouldn't trust a damn thing that comes out of that station.
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And Batgirl. The Bat-Family is part of what makes Batman so great. Nolan needs to embrace the mythology instead of ignore it. If anybody can take the concept of Robin and make it work in a realistic way,its Nolan,right? Just remember,Robin only works when its a young kid...teenage,college age Robin misses the point.
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Exactly my point. This is one of the only fucking sites that would post horseshit like this. They do it in the name of sensationalism. Unsophisticated websites like this contribute to the dumbing down of film culture.
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Incorrect. Robin only works if he is at least 15/16. In the comics as well.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST
Quote from Bale on Robin from a couple of years ago...
by Alice Cooper Stalker
“If Robin crops up in one of the new Batman films, I’ll be chaining myself up somewhere and refusing to go to work.”
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Looks like we have some stand up comedians on here. I don't care how it makes me look, IMHO which doesn't mean shit because it's one of millions out there, my two cents indicates that this is BAD. Stop this justification shit. Robin is very much a part of Batman. Who said he has to be part of THIS Batman. If it ain't broke DON'T FIX IT. Last I heard doesn't this movie have enough going on in it already?
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Robin would be better as the main protagonist in a teen titans movie if that ever happens (which it probably willl.....)
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Robin was introduced solely to pander the universe to a younger audience. Batman trained intensively for ten odd years he sure as fuck doesn't need some teenager to help him out. Introducing Robin will go against what Bale and Nolan have promised in the past and will undo the whole trilogy by suggesting that Batman needs help. Then again, this time last year we were hearing that Megan Fox was going to play Catwoman. And a month ago everyone was adamant that Hardy was going to play Strange.
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I would prefer they had the character choose to be Nightwing, and NOT robin, in reality nowadays, what superhero would seriously call himself Robin?
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Just sayin'.
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That's the point. You have Gordon meeting up with Bats on the roof saying, "Batman... what the fuck are you doing? This is child endangerment?!" and Bats tells him to "Leave it alone. He's with me. And he can take care of himself." CONFLICT. All Nolan has to do is make their pairing compelling. And Robin needs to be no older than 14. DO IT NOLAN.
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oops... Gordon: "This is child endangerment!" (not a question)
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YES to Jason Todd or Tim Drake as an "over-the-top" kind of cop. Not a "bad" cop like Flass was, but an officer willing to take lethal actions to resolve a situation, even if it's not really necessary (juxtaposed against Batman's unwillingness to use lethal force- even if necessary) who takes Wayne's place when Bruce is unwilling/unable to continue to be Batman, and also learns self-control while working with him.
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If Bane is in it, and they stay true, who's going to fight crime in Nolan's real world Batman? The police? Wait, that doesn't sound bad, that sounds realistic. Besides, all you fanboys want a dark Batman, no Batman arch was darker than Death in the Family.
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Just saying. You people "love" Batman, but you hate 50% of the Batman mythos. Get over it. Its not Batman until Robin appears.
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is it a coincidence that the batman forever and batman and robin were the ones that sucked? no its cuz robin was in it. well thats not the only reason but still, this is a terrible idea
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You're really reaching for things to complain about if people using the term "trilogy" actually pisses you off. Also how on earth does quoting Bale's "no Robin" comment make someone a retard?
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Do you really think the location scouts would have told anyone what the location was for? And why would Robin have his own hideout?
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It's not like they were scouting carnivals
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Columbia/Marvel FORCED Raimi to put Venom in Spider-Man 3. And then blamed him for the movie failing.
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Make him his own tagline, too. I suggest "Awww, hail yeah!"
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Unlike most of you I don't believe Batman is better without Robin. I grew up watching Batman AND Robin. They just can't make him corny.
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There were more problems with Spidey 3 than Venom. And a skilled director/writer should be able to handle two villains. Despite what people seem to think, it's not a new concept. Tarkin and Vader spring to mind. Another big issue was shoehorning Sandman in a very soap-operish manner into Peter's tragic backstory. "This is your father's ACTUAL killer!".
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OK so casting aside the Hugo Strange Rumor makes sense. I was reading Wikipedia about Strange's character and found a few tidbits that seem to tie many of these rumors together. In the comic Hugo strange experimented on people "turning them into hulking zombies by administering a powerful artificial growth hormone that acted on the pituitary gland; a side effect caused the victim to become a mindless brute." AKA Bane. Also in the post crisis timeline "Strange was reintroduced in the "Prey" arc as a psychologist enlisted to help a police taskforce capture Batman. While brilliant at his work, he was portrayed as being equally psychotic; Strange was so obsessed over Batman that he took to dressing up like him in private. Strange ends up escalating the scales against Batman by brainwashing a police officer to become a violent vigilante" So... the cops hire Hugo Strange to find Batman or discover his identity, Strange experiments on a cop who becomes Bane, Strange sends Bane to kill batman so Strange can take his place. I don't think they will take the brainwashing route because they did that in the first movie, and I'm not sure how catwoman will fit into all this. But I'm guessing they will have to team up to defeat Hugo and Bane.
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And silly me I recently bought Under The Red Hood without realizing it was totally Robin-centric. What a waste of some decent animation and character design.. to make a story about Robin, the ultimate Thing Batman Woudl Never Do (have a sidekick to interfere/complicate his operation).
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This trilogy is perfect so far no need to ruin it on a bad character! This Batman doesn't need a sidekick! It should be just the Dark Knight himself nothing and no one else!!!!
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Feb. 5, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST
Kevin Connolly just announced as Robbie in The Dark Knight Rises.
by Pvt. Duke
Fist-bump.
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Like another tb'er said Batman has to pass the mantle eventually pass the mantle as he can't do it forever. It makes perfect sense that Bruce, with his obsession that there must always be justice in Gotham would train a replacement for when he can no longer do the job. I'm thinking more of a Nightwing take on the character. And Nolan needs to lighten up and realize his movies at their core are about a billionaire dressing like a bat to fight crime. Don't camp it up but please don't give us TDK part 2. Have some fun with it.
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I'm sure he's joking about the Biebs being Robin.
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but not as a side kick for batman. He could be another vigilante inspired by Batman who fights crime but without all the money. Batman notices him but let Robin do his own thing.
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Chris Nolan has stated that Robin wouldn't appear in his Batman movies.
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about not being involved with Robin. Sam Raimi said the exact same thing about Venom. Money talks, so I believe the possibility of the rumor. I just hope that Robin can be worked in more successfully then Venom. I trust Nolan through.
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Did Venom appear in a Sam Raimi film? Yes. It doesn't matter if Marvel forced it on him. Marvel didn't force him out because of Spidey 3, they forced him out because of the Avengers. Marvel wants Spidey in that universe (if you don't believe me then why is his parents in the new film?) and Raimi didn't want that and Marvel knew that if Tobey was even up for appearing in cross over films, they couldn't afford him due to his current contract. Garfield is getting $600,000 to play Spidey, which means he's affordable for cross overs.
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EVER to begin with! He was shoehorned in so that kids could feel like they might have a chance to fight alongside batman and to appeal to new younger batman fans. The very concept is everything each and every movie fan despises worse than putting toy making above story. Just never fucking EVER use this character again for any fucking reason. It's like one of those what-if stories like when Alfred was turned into a fucking monster and they replaced him with the aunt. It never happened. Just forget robin in the same way.
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Its been 4 years and Batman has been in hiding. He said he wanted to serve as a symbol that inspired people. Wouldn't that inspire a guy orphaned by criminals to wear a mask (it inspired Bruce Wayne)? And some chick to dress up like a cat? Gotham probably enters a chaotic downward spiral which forces Batman back out in the streets to reluctantly team up with Robin and Catwoman. Hense the DARK KNIGHT RISES. What did you think the title was referring to? Because of Catwoman it was his unit? Nolan gave you 2 boring logic contradicting films and you people love him for it. But you question him once he actually makes a film that resembles what Batman is?
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Feb. 5, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST
It makes sense. Batman is gone and more false Batmen have taken his place: Catwoman, Robin and Bane.
by Doctor_Strangepork
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Feb. 5, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST
It's called the Dark Knight RISES. Doesn't it HAVE to feature Robin?
by FlickaPoo
Bruce Wayne plays with the ladies to keep his secret identity going, but I thought only Robin really gets him up and going...
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Feb. 5, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST
...and I like Maggie Gyllenhaal, but surely they can find a Robin...
by FlickaPoo
...prettier than she was in that last Batman flick.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST
...and I like Maggie Gyllenhaal, but surely they can find a Robin...
by FlickaPoo
...prettier than she was in that last Batman flick.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 1:43 p.m. CST
Geeks are so desperate to prove comics are SRS BIZNESS with Christopher Nolan that they forget that Robin is the natural endpoint for Nolan's grim trilogy.
by reflecto
The only way Bruce can continue on is with some semblance of support and a new family. It only makes sense for the third part of Nolan's trilogy to end, after the flight from mass persecution at the end of TDK, with Batman finding some new way to connect and build a foundation, not just to Gordon but with a ward. Stop pretending Batman is all GRIMDARK HIGHBROW ENTERTAINMENT. Nolan's films are quite good but Batman as a character is not all about suffering alone. He has to be able to go on and I think introducing and taking on Robin is the perfect way to end the story. It would be something totally new. Kodi Smit-McPhee would not be a bad choice.
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There is absolutely no way you could tell In this article if he was using sarcasm or not, other than the fact that from our point Of view if we mentioned bieber it would have definitely been sarcasm, for all we know Merric REALLY does like the kid.
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till you realize the whole world from Gordon to the Justice League don't think it's wierd to have a 12 year old vigilante running around.
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Hows about you actually read a comic book, robin is a very integral and important part if the batman mythos.
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Robin: "This ground, its full of holes.....its....Hooley" Batman: "huh....ehhh" do we really need more of these lines? especially in the Nolanverse? i thought he said he wanted a golden age batman before robin was even thought off?
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asdf
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as a matter of fact I believe I recall him saying He wanted nothing with, Penguin, Catwoman, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, or Robin. so since he brought in catwoman i guess him introducing robin isnt such a surprise. oh wells, lets see how it goes!
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... think about it... Batman Begins was based on Batman: Year One... The Dark Knight was based on The Long Halloween... I guarantee you that The Dark Knight Rises will be based on Dark Victory... All Nolan has to do is replace Two Face with Bane... have Bane release the inmates in Arkham Asylum (as it happened in both Dark Victory and Knightfall)... and have Batman take on an heir to his crusade against crime... Also, the introduction of Robin could serve as a fantastic bookend to Batman Begins which heavily featured Bruce's relationship with his father, Thomas (how that relationship shaped him... and how his loss affected him). Nolan has said that his Batman films are ultimately about Bruce Wayne and his personal journey... and the best way to cap off the trilogy (at least in my opinion) is to have Bruce become the man his father was and to pass on that legacy to another person... If Batman Begins' theme was "Fear" and The Dark Knight's theme was "Escalation", I think (with it being the "final" batfilm in Nolan's trilogy) The Dark Knight Rises theme will be "Legacy".
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So no Robin.
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Batman: "What?" Robin: "The whole island, it's full of holes. You know? Holey!" Batman: "Ohh."
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I feel like I've read this before.
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This could be another Raimi and Spiderman 3 situation. The stars are aligning I mean look how many baddies he's got. Remind you of anything? Don't let us down Chris, I've been bigging you up for ages.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST
how come no one has complained that a Hispanic character like Bane
by yourSTEPDADDY
is being played by a white guy? is it because Will Smith has nothing to do with it? I like Nolan a lot, but he sure does white wash the characters a lot...
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I'm tired of the Robin haters bashing the character because he's short and he's a kid. Robin have always been an important part of the Batman comics. I totally agree if Warner Bros is going to use Bane as a villain, might as well bring Robin in. If you read the comics, it is widely known that Bane is mostly used in "Batman & Robin" comics. Robin is a sidekick for Batman because Robin is useful. If you hate Robin, then you aren't a true Batman fan, sorry.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST
If you hate Robin, then you aren't a true Batman fan, sorry.
by yourSTEPDADDY
preach!
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neither are the other several million that made it a box office hit. If they pander to fanboy wet dreams too much these movies would alienate the masses.
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But what if the new Robin is in his 20's? The fiction has been played with enough so far, they can definitely make Robin older.
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Thats the only way they could do Robin - and it would fit with this rumour IF it isnt bullshit.
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Emmanuel Lewis would make a nice addition to the cast.
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You're a marketing victim!
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Nolan's already stated that TDKR follows on IMMEDIATELY from TDK. Sorry.
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Nevermind some kid in tights.
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Nolan's not going to do ANOTHER mass breakout from Arkham.
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Or maybe it's because there are hardly any black/ethnic characters in the Batman universe? Wasn't the Mayor black in the last one - and Lucius. Take it back.
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And you're a twat to say that only true Batman fans like Robin. None of the other big superheroes have or need a sidekick - and neither does Batman. If he can deal with Joker, Scarecrow, Ras and Two-Face without a sidekick, he can handle Bane. Please stop talking now.
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if you see a cover to a Batman comic and find it interesting based on the cover, doesnt that make you a marketing victim? if your friend praises the Killing Joke to you and you go read it, isnt that being a marketing victim? blah blah blah, you will all go see if it if Robin is in it. and Im sure you all will praise it (unless youre a contrarian)
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Feb. 5, 2011, 2:50 p.m. CST
Agree with yourstepdaddy, Robin is a part of the Bat continuity.
by yamayama
I would ask the Robin critics to go and buy "Under the Red Hood" to see how amazing robin could be in the Nolan universe. Grayson is the boy without fear. The kid who sleeps with lions. A child Houdini who can escape death. The young esquire who defies death on the tightrope! Has Robin he is a child soldier, who can out run,& out punch, adult henchmen and move like a Robin in the wind on the rooftops. This would be an amazing career chance for a small stature pakour stuntman who can take a bump. (District 13 comes to mind) BUT... continuity wise Babs Gordon comes before Robin. Barbara Gordon will be approaching 14 years old in the third movie. And she will be a world class gymnast. And she is already probably developing her "Oracle" persona doing teenage computer hacking. Batgirl would be awesome to see her saving The Bat from a crippling at the hands of Bane. Save Robin for Aronofsky's horror movie take on The Bat. Lets see The Bat use a child Robin has bait for some sick Joker henchmen and watch has Robin "cleans their clocks" with some vicious fighting that Jet Li would wince at.
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Harry writes stuff that make me roll my eyes in disbelief but that Willow Smith adulation leaves me dumfounded. <p> I watched that insipid, generic little video and yes, it is awesome...if you're 12 yrs old or younger. Harry is completely off the reservation in my book. His words ring hollow to me forever more. In less of course, he says something sucks... in which case it may truly have some depth and substance to it.
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How in the hell are paragraph breaks done these days?
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It's true that Robin was initially written in to appeal to kids, but he's evolved into something greater, an ideal representation of Batman's potential to inspire people to become heroes. If you argue that something isn't a "real" part of Batman because it was born from an editorial decision, then you'd also have to do away with his hatred of killing and guns, which was introduced because the writers realized they couldn't have recurring villains if Batman just killed them all the time. The Golden Age Batman used a gun and killed people like crazy. Now his uncompromising morality is an essential part of his character.
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Make him a 16-17 year old kid who shows up in Gotham as a violent vigilante, all about getting revenge over his parents' death. He runs into Batman, who tries to stop him. Identifies with him but doesn't want to see someone else turn into him, etc. In the end, he kind of gets involved in the big conflict. Once it's over, Bats makes him promise to stop his crime-fighting, and Robin goes off to college, his tuition paid by Bruce. I don't think Nolan will do it, and he wouldn't fit well with that world, but it could kind of work.
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No... Batman doesn't NEED Robin. Never has, never will. Red Hood was nothing more than "running out of ideas and bringing back a character from the dead". Plus, in these new films Bruce is very young himself - hasn't even hit 30 yet. And trying to introduce Robin, Bane and Catwoman will be too much. I'm a massive Batman fan and I have no time for Robin. He's nothing more than a hook for younger readers, and that's all he's ever been.
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i dont understand your 1st post directed to me. I was saying how a Hispanic character is now white but youre bringing up Lucius Fox? I dont follow you as far as your second comment goes, ok Im a twat? dont really know how to respond to that without namecalling or making it personal (which I am not tryin to do anymore with strangers on a moviesite), but I guess if you call me a twat, I must be a twat. thanks also, I dont think Batman "handled" Bane hence his back got broken. Im sure a "sidekick" in the form of Jean Paul Valley "handled" him. do you know about Batman besides whats been shown in TV shows and movies? and, Im sure EVERY fucking hero in DC has a sidekick... if not, why do the names Supergirl, Superboy, Speedy, Aqualad, Batgirl, Wondergirl, Batwoman, etc come to mind? but I will take your advise and stop talking now, even though I wasnt talking before, I was typing. so, I shall continue typing away
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Maybe you could argue that's true, but everyone does know Robin was introduced less than a year after Batman first appeared, right? So, if you mean you're not truly a fan of the first 12 comic book appearances of Batman from 1939 to 1940 if you like Robin, you may be right.
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then are you telling me only old ass fuckers (who lived in the basement of their mothers house) were the only one reading about fictional men wearing capes and cowls? man, I guess nothing really changed in the past 50 years... I wonder what they were drinking and eating since I doubt Cheetohs and Mountain Dew existed then
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As Gordon's son who dresses up as a crime-fighter, inspired by Batman. But he won't be fighting with Batman, not at all. He ends up getting kidnapped or seriously hurt by some real bad guys, which is instrumental in prompting Bruce to hang up the cape for good in the end.
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The way the Robin story basically works is, his parents get killed by some bad people and he tries to investigate it on his own. Bruce, who is also investigating the murders, finds out what Robin is doing, takes pity on him and adopts him, if only to try to keep him out of trouble/out of his way. But Robin is too stubborn to give up and keeps heading out into danger. And since Bruce sees a little bit of himself in him, Bruce decides to teach him a few things so that at least if he's going to go out anyway maybe he won't get killed. Robin takes to Bruce's training pretty well because of his prior circus experience, and ultimately they both take down the people responsible for Robin's parents' murders. I mean, it's not so ridiculous as to be completely out of place in Nolan's universe, at least as far as Robin's "origin" story goes. If Batman keeps letting Robin sidekick for him after they've avenged Robin's parents' deaths... well, that might be harder to justify in subsequent films. But the origin story could work fine in a standalone movie, imo. Though I'm not really expecting it to happen anyway. :P
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I like your ideas. I would maybe not have Catwoman as a hero...at first. If Nolan wants a gritty dark crime drama then make and NYPD Blue movie. Don't get me wrong, I like his other Batman films but it's just not Batman to me. Not the Batman of the comics. I still prefer Burton's original.
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Once you introduce Robin, it's over. That character is just lame. The only time Robin has worked well was in the episode of Only Fools and Horses. If you have no idea what I'm talking about then just goodle Only Fools and Horses Batman and Robin.
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"Supergirl, Superboy, Speedy, Aqualad, Batgirl, Wondergirl, Batwoman" Not one of those is a "sidekick". What they are is younger or female versions of the hero. Very different. And with regards to Bane, I was talking only about Nolan's films. I'm well aware of the Knightfall storyline. Sorry I didn't spell that out clearly enough. "but I will take your advise and stop talking now, even though I wasnt talking before, I was typing. so, I shall continue typing away" How old are you? Seriously.
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what can I say, I fucked up!
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if so, is it because she has boobies?
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Again, this film carries on immediately after TDK. Therefore, Gordon's son is still only about 10.
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No, Batman Forever and Batman and Robin sucked not because of Robin. They sucked because, I'll give you one guess, it rhymes with blue blocker.
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Im 3... I was born on leap year. PS: namecalling is so childish, so I ask, how old you sir/maam/kid/it?
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We all know that!
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Bit confused. Warner Bros doesn't rhyme with that but they were the ones who wanted a lighter Batman and ordered the script as such.
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Nolan can do a different Robin. With Batman retired, and Catwoman doing her things, maybe this Robin won't be his sidekick, but instead a wannabe superhero who dies at the beginning of the movie making Bruce feel guilty.
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is that why we all come to AICN? because the siteowner has massive ones? gosh, we're so shallow... PS: has anyone seen scriptgirl in a porno yet? if memory serves me correctly, she looked kinda like Eva Angelina
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Fuck. You people keep basing your perception of Robin off of two bad movies. Read a fucking comic if you're going to act like it's sacrilegious to include a character you obviously know nothing about. Robin, done right, kicks ass. And if you're worried about the costume... http://tinyurl.com/4rsybmb Have some imagination.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 3:24 p.m. CST
"Again, this film carries on immediately after TDK. Therefore, Gordon's son is still only about 10."
by yourSTEPDADDY
not to be picky but did Gordon ever tell Batman (and the audience) of his entire immediate family? he could have a son who goes to Metropolis University for all we know... or he could have an illegitimate son with some street walker he met when he was younger... gosh, isnt it easy getting easy plot holes?
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I'm basing my hatred of Robin on the fact that Batman doesn't need him. Batgirl, Huntress etc etc and all the rest usually work alone just fine. And for the record, I didn't mind how they portrayed Robin in the animated series, but he's still not needed. Simple as that.
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Also heard that the Steel Building in Pittsburgh is being scouted for some kind of Wayne Industries location.
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So a desent director with respect for the material should have walked away. The studio may have wanted a lighter Batman but I'm sure they didn't tell him to put phosphorescent neon paint on everything. This isn't like blaming Fincher for Alien3, which was totally not his fault. This time the director has to weather his share of the shit storm.
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It proves my point even more. A ten year old can't do shit and is often very misguided. It makes perfect sense.
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I hated him in the comics, I've hated him in the movies that he's appeared. I just hate the idea. It's lame. The only time I sorta tolerated Robin was when it was a young girl in Miller's Dark Knight. Even then it was a bit pedophilish, if you know what I mean. Maybe Nolan can be the only person to pull off putting Robin in the script, but even there I have doubts.
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fucking stone age here
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Feb. 5, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST
Im sorry braindrain, Ill try to be funner... got any tips?
by yourSTEPDADDY
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So there. I'm trying to think of a sidekick that I like, and ... hmmm, can't think of any except The Tick's sidekick Arthur. I'm not a sidekick fan I suppose.
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Schumacher's work has always been dark and it was this that got him the job - BUT if you watch the deleted scenes from Forever, they are all the darker aspect that the studio didn't want. This is what gives Forever such a disjointed feel as it's struggling to be family friendly but still keep Batman in the dark. B&R was meant to be a flat out campy cheese fest and succeeded at being exactly that. Both films (and X3 and Daredevil) were screwed over by the studio, NOT the director.
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... I've not the first clue why you guys even ran it. Listen, I understand that Nolan makes it hard on you guys because of his secrecy, but that doesn't mean you have to run every dumbass piece of non-info you come across. Robin won't be in the film. Count on it. As for the "Robin" being Robin Williams, non of the people who are scouting would know whether he's in the film or not. They may not even know whether Strange is in the film or not. Nobody knows nothing.
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I understand what you're saying but he should have just put an Alan Smithee film at the end if it was such an abortion of his vision.
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The Kick-Ass vigilante superhero kid. Oof. Make Mine Marvel.
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IF you're right, it brings the second problem: who's going to play Robin? An unknown? Not likely for a film of this size. If not an unknown, the casting would have already been announced. I'm (sadly) not ruling out Robin being in the film, merely saying that he won't be Gordon's son. And you're not the real D.Vader, he was a lot smarter.
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Dude, all I did was come up with a real quick theoretical on how Nolan could make Robin realistic, fit into his universe, and have it tie into the end of the series. That's all. Gordon's kid, dressing up, inspired by Batman. You countered it can't be Gordon's kid because he'd be 10. I said it doesn't matter, it proves my point even more, because Robin won't be fighting crime, he'll end up getting hurt or kidnapped. A kid can't do it. I don't actually believe this will be the case, I'm just offering up ideas. But if that makes me less smart than the old me, so be it.
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What would be the point of that? Absolutely everyone knew Schumacher directed it. And Warners wouldn't allow that. Joel Schumacher was simply a hired director - it wasn't his work, it lacked his traits too. It wasn't an "abortion", more a few edits to get the rating down to 12. And it was a massive success on release. All I'm saying is that you can't blame Schumacher.
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You are so right. BUT... The reason Harry Potter worked is because it was the third part of a planned saga and had a good director behind it. Superhero films try to expand with the third film instead of finishing it (Toy Story 3). Nolan has said he's going to finish this storyline with TDKR, so it could work. In Nolan we trust.
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Stop running bullshit rumors. If anything its nightwing. A grown up Dick grayson filling Batman void if he's in hiding. No pun intended, ole chum.
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http://tinyurl.com/c6eymv
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"A grown up Dick grayson filling Batman void if he's in hiding." Beautifully said, pissing myself laughing.
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so yea, part 3s are usually bad. PS: the only good thing about Austin Powers 3 is... that video Beyonce did with that skirt... *INSERT ALMOST RAPEYISH COMMENT*
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I know you badly want to prove yourself as a veritable news source. Veritable news sources DO NOT print every little rumour about a film that comes along. "Hardy for Strange, Fox for Catwoman" Didn't see any of those on "proper" movie news sites for good reason. If it sounds like a bullshit rumour, it probably is.
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Again when I sent this in I did not believe it and still don't. Christopher Nolan has stated many times in the past that as long as he is director, robin will not appear in the series.
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Robin Williams maybe. I think this "source" is purposely throwing out false info or they're a fucking idiot.
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http://tinyurl.com/ydmm88j
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Good The Bad And The Ugly, Toy Story 3, Ley Lines, Bourne Ultimatum, Red Riding 1980, Three Colours Red, Violent Shit III. All easily as good as the first two if not better. Return Of The King, The Last Crusade and Back To The Future III, Oceans 13, Naked Gun 33 1/3rd - all better than the second and close to on par with the first. Army Of Darkness holds up as well. Revenge Of The Sith was the best in the prequel trilogy, though it was even worse than Violent Shit III. Third movies as good as the first two are relatively rare - but so are the quality of Nolan's movies in the first place.
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Fuckin'. Spacebar.
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They do, don't they, unless your Robin, who prefers a chin cape of Batman's scrotum.
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Both are pretty silly. Robin could refer to Robin Hood though. Nightwing just sounds like an 80's Death Metal band.
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its so obvious that some of these talkbackers who are up in arms about Bane being the new villain have never read the comics, but are trying to appear as experts on the character based on reading a wikipedia page and make comments like 'Bane didn't impress me in the comics' without any reasons why... on AICN sooo many talkbackers think their authorities on comic book movies yet dont' read comics and base everything on what they've seen in movies... the fact that Batman and Robin has been referenced at all is proof that they don't know jack, whereas the people who have obviously read the comics are pumped and discussing Bane storylines from the comics. And saying 'Bane didn't impress me in the comics' is a joke in itself because those people seem to be under the impression that Bane has been a one and done villain in the big scheme of things whereas he is portrayed in depth and is a fully fleshed out character who had evolved over the years... I, for one, what hoping that they'd choose Bane, so I'm pumped.
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And, for the record, NIGHTWING should replace Smallville when it's done... they can reference Batman but never have to show him... Nightwing is awesome and would be fantastic as a TV show.
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It's a sleepy little town of under 10,000 where nothing ever happens.<br> I used to hang out in the area they are scouting...it's a big river with these super-cool sandstone ridges rising on either side (where people go rock climbing and stuff)...lots of caves and old mines (that were rumored to have hidden horse theives in the 1800s).<br><br> The treatment plant is a standard sewage treatment facility with those big circular vats and tons of machinery.<br><br> There is also an abandoned slate quarry there...all of it is honestly great Batman stuff!
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Get it? And trust me, JGL is playing Batman's sidekick.
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As iffy as I am about Robin, all I have to do is think about how iffy I was about Ledger, and then I don't really worry anymore. It may not be as good as TDK, but whatever happens, it'll be good.
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Robin William is alright but Hugo Strange he is not!
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They're just gonna reboot Batman a few years after Nolan walks away. Let that director do Robin. I like the character and his history (Under the Red Hood, anyone?), but I agree with a lot of posters that it would not fit well with the Bat-Nolanverse. In my worthless opinion, the third movie is too late to do it. Robin should be introduced early in a series, not shoehorned in at the end. /my2cents
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... I'd love to see this done right. Here's an amazing director working at the peak of his talents - he genuinely challenges himself. Bring that shit!
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... trolls can eat my ass.
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...Superman works alone.
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to its most realistic end, Robin will be a gay cosplay stalker.
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Batman was in a dark place in the last movie. Acting as a father figure/big brother to an older Dick Grayson would be great as a way to give him hope. Being a parent to a kid, of any age, can change the way you look at the world in a heartbeat. His life long love interest died, his potential ally in Dent turned into something horribly wrong, and the city he's trying to protect now hunts him. The guy literally has an old man as a friend, and nothing else to live for beyond that. Figuring Dick into the picture would be a reason to keep going and try make things right in the city once again. It certainly fits with the title of the film. Also, Dick doesn't have to be "Robin" in the traditional sense. Hell, in the comics, Lucius Fox was always just the happy Al Roker who ran Wayne Enterprises and would appear in a panel or two every few months. If Dick is going to be involved, he could simply be the 20 year old assistant to Lucius and Alfred, who also helps Bruce with his training. It could be alluded that he might step in for Bruce as Batman in a few years, but not suit up in anyway until that time comes. I trust Nolan, regardless. He made the Joker work in a way that I didn't believe was possible.
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After the appalling mess of The Dark Knight, not to mention the farce of Inception, you'd think the studios would have got some sense. It's almost as if Nolan is deliberately trying to be meidocre.
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And no, he should not appear as Robin, not while he's just a kid. His role in a Nolan movie should absolutely be the surrogate son that Wayne needs to pull him out of the depression he is sure to be in after the death of Rachel and his public image as a villain. The end of the movie ought to be Wayne adopting Grayson into his life, not turning him into a crime fighter. That should come later. Grayson shouldn't look into being another hero until he's in his late teens in some future movie when he's at the start of young adulthood. He should come in to save Batman and not be an instant hostage as he was even when O'Donnell played him. JGL shouldn't be Robin, that's just silly, he's too old to be Grayson as he should be realized in this series at this point. That said, if JGL IS Robin (and I think this is just a smoke screen to throw people off of him being the Joker), then I'm all for Johnny Depp playing the Joker now.
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Speedy, Aqualad, Batgirl and Kid Flash all started out as sidekicks. Of course, they've all been around for about 40 years now, so they've grown up. Speedy (Roy Harper) became Arsenal, then Red Arrow before going back to Arsenal. Aqualad (Garth) became Tempest, and Kid Flash (Wally West) became Flash when Barry Allen was lost in the speed force during Crisis on Infinite Earths. The first Batgirl (Barbara Gordon) was shot in the spine and paralyzed by the Joker in the Killing Joke. She later became Oracle. The other Batgirls (Cassandra Cain & Stephanie Brown) have been "associates" of Batman, if not traditional sidekicks. The original Wonder Girl (Donna Troy) has been retconned so many times who knows what her origin really is, but I don't think she was ever Wonder Woman's sidekick. Superboy refers to both young Clark Kent, and the current Superboy (Connor Kent) who is a clone of half Superman, half Lex Luthor DNA. He's part of the "Superman family," but was never really Supes' sidekick, although they fought together several times. Same with Supergirl (Kara Zor-El). Clark mentors her, but I wouldn't call her a sidekick.
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Not to mention wouldn't Bale crush any ideas for Robin? He's indicated he's not at all interested in sharing screen time with a kid. Which is fine. look what happened before when they brought Robin in.
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You have to understand the psychology of Batman. Bruce Wayne died the same time as his parents...theres a part of Batman's personality thats always going to be an emotionally scarred 9 year old boy who lost his family. Thats why he reaches out to Robin and Batgirl and Alfred...he's trying to recreate the family he lost. As those characters get older(especially in Robins case)they eventually mature and move one...and Bruce never does. Thats where all the conflict comes from with Robin growing up and moving on and becoming Nightwing. Believe it or not,the best recent example of the Batman and Robin relationship was with Big Daddy and Hit Girl in Kickass. Hit Girl is not that far off from Robin....and last time I checked this site you fanboys were all ranting and raving over Hit Girl. Its because shes an awesome character(just like Robin) right? And not because shes a little girl and you're all sick ass pedos....you're not right? RIGHT????
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Cock Robin
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Feb. 5, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST
"As long is he's played by Justin Bieber, I'm all for it."
by Triple_J_72
You did not seriously mean this, right?
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am I really the only one who saw this for the joke it was? jesus christ.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 8:10 p.m. CST
Is this your first rodeo, guys? Never heard of "disinformation" before?
by jawsfan
You mean you've never heard of a director or studio saying "We're definitely not doing [this]" only to see them reverse themselves and actually do it? Directors and the studios will deliberately lie about casting and plot elements to maintain secrecy and mystique. It happens all the time. That some of you would say "No, there can't be a Robin in the movie because Nolan said he wouldn't put Robin in it" is the height of naivete. OF COURSE he would deny stuff he fully intended on doing. It's all part of the game, yo. I'm not saying that I believe there will or won't be Robin in this film. I don't care, really. It could still be a lousy movie with or without the character, and it could be a great movie with or without the character. But the movie is almost a year and half away from being release. Why on Earth would Nolan or Warner Brothers start revealing their plans to you on purpose this soon? Grow a brain. Take a chill pill and calm the F down. It's just a freakin' movie. And it is being paid for with Hollywood's money, which means they largely don't give a flying shit whether or not the inclusion (or age) of a character perfectly matches the comic book universe.
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On the commentary, he praised him more than any one else. I wouldn't doubt he's try to bring him into the fold here.
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he is way more brutal than Batman, a sadistic killer ninja child could work in the Nolanverse
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Feb. 5, 2011, 8:28 p.m. CST
Plus Batman could finally get laid, bwahahahahahh.
by the Green Gargantua
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A site that actually knows what its talking about.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 9:03 p.m. CST
CHRISTOPHER NOLAN SAID HE WOULDN'T, BUT THEN AGAIN HE ALSO...
by Meadowe
said that he planned his fliqs one at a time, now all of a sudden it's a trilogy. If grayson does end up in this fliq, I'm sure it'll be like the 90s cartoon where he's just a young kid with the flying graysons.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 9:22 p.m. CST
IT MAY JUST BE DICK GRAYSON NOT ROBIN, LIKE SELINA KYLE AND NOT CATWOMAN
by Meadowe
If that's the case that would be great. Because I think gordon would really start hunting bruce down if he was doing some child endangerment stuff.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 9:25 p.m. CST
Once again AICN doesn't bother to UPDATE the article with the truth
by MattmanReturns
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Tom Wilkinson was great in that role for his small amount of screentime. Also, Falcone is supposed to be Catwoman's father in Long Halloween, if I remember correctly.
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Jett over at Batman-on-film (BOF) says Robin, the character, will not be featured in TDKR. Jett is a very reliable source of Batman news and if he says there is noway Robin, in any incarnation, is part of the movie, you can pretty much take that to the bank. http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html
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the one who saw Batman, the one who Batman gave some contraption to? <br><br>remember that the narrows is lost because of the fear toxin. that means that kid's parents (he was saved by Rachel Dawes). what did he do with that device? You think Bats goes around giving high level technology to all the kids like Santa?<br><br>if you watch the movie again, you'll notice the kid was wearing ORANGE. here's what he looks like now<br><br>http://www.ioncinema.com/news/id/5064<br><br>not saying he planned to have Robin, but I always thought the kid was a nod to Robin...I mean, honestly, what other purpose would the kid serve?
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...if Robin shows up he is out. He wants nothing to do with a Batman and Robin movie, regardless of how it's handled. So unless they some how changed his mind, and he doesn't seem to be the type of actor to do it for the money, then this is just BS. At last about Robin and boy wonder... maybe Robin Williams as someone in the movie, sure.
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...repeatedly, that Robin will never appear. So shove it up your stupid ass!
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Dick Grayson was introduced as a kid but not presented as Robin until he'd grown up considerably and able to handle himself at the same level as Batman. There is no reason why for one film they can introduce Dick Grayson the same way as a young child who shares the cuircumstances of loss as Bruce Wayne and is adopted into the crusade. Then in the following film set years later show him as a much older, wiser and skilled partner to Batman but not side by side with him on every aspect of the narrative the way those cheesy Adam West shows or Joel Schumacher movies presented them. The animated series got the mix just right, Robin was there only when Batman needed him and in most cases he was not. Dick Grayson was never an ordinary kid, he had exceptional natural athletic ability that took Bruce Wayne years to achieve. A 12-14 year old Dick Grayson in one movie and then a 17-18 year old Robin in the next film with effective martial arts training added to his already natural acrobatic ability would work in the Nolan-verse if they presented it this way.
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YOU SMELL THAT? YEAH SMELLS LIKE BAD CHEESE.
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"Sources say the area is being considered as a hideout for Batman sidekick Robin" is it really referring to Robin Williams, as Merrick assumes, or is it perhaps referring to Black Eyed Peas member wil.i.am? Yes, and no. Obviously there's no real way to know what was meant by the phrase "Batman sidekick Robin," because it could be Robin Williams or it could also be Robin Givens. But if you're really paying attention it's obvious what it means. follow me here: Batman's sidekick Robin ---> Robin Williams is a guy whose first name is the same name as that character ---> wil.i.am is named similar to the last name of the guy with the first name ---> a.m is the end of his name, which is the first letters of the phrase "Amerikkka's Most Wanted" ---> which is the first solo album by Ice Cube. I think you would have to be pretty naive not to see that this report is saying that Halle Berry will be playing Mr. Freeze case closed
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to show how ragged he's been run since The Joker unleashed anarchy in Gotham. If it's going to harken back to some parts of Batman Begins, it would make sense, since if memory serves he had shaggy hair and beard when we first meet him as an adult.
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Considering some of the most powerful and dramatic story arcs have come from the Robin mythos (and in particular, the Bruce and Dick character dynamic), Nolan is one smart motherfucker to tackle it if indeed he does. <p>A brutal murder of the Graysons and an outcast Richard could be very gut wrenching if done with the same "holy-shit" treatment as the Joker's first meeting with Sal Maroni in TDK. <p>Considering that Robin is an essential part of Batman, this would make sense. To completely shun something that has very much defined Batman over the past 30 years is just not Batman, to me.
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Has anyone stopped to consider that Levitt might be playing Jean Paul Valley? Bane is in it. Bats has had other sidekicks than robin. Just sayin
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It's weird, but I've never read a Batman story featuring Robin that I liked. I've never seen a Batman movie with Robin in it that was good, and even the old Batman: TAS with Robin were usually pretty forgettable and lame. Yet when I was a kid I liked Robin's (Tim Drake's) solo comics just fine so long as Batman or Alfred wasn't actually in them. I dug Tim's costume, I guess, because once you take that away he's really just a bland smart ass teen superhero without any powers. Batman with a prepubescent sidekick strutting around in "green panties," as my friend says, is just weird and stupid with pedophilic undertones. Especially when he's on #4 now after the others were killed or got too old for him. If Michael Jackson were still alive, even he would agree that looks a little strange... I really smell B.S. here with this rumor, and I sincerely hope that's all there is to it. I could see DC trying to cram him down our throats again at some point. At least the current comics' incarnation works a little better because Damien is Bruce's actual son, has some useful skills, and isn't always predictable.
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terrible fucking place full of fat headed racist redneck types. not that it matters. but on topic, why would any location scout tell any normal working person at a treatment plant those kind of details? it just seems like wild speculation.
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Both Bale and Nole have said over the years that they would never be involved with a Batman film that included Robin. It's been out there enough that this "story" shouldn't even have been a blip on AICN. Between this and running with some idiot e-mailing you about Reeves speaking at a UK university about "The Matrix 4"... AICN is not the source for cool movie news anymore. This site is a fragment of what it once was and a lot of that has to do to "pwesents".
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Nolen
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This is why /film is ten times better than AICN. They don't post completely obvious bullshit speculation provided by a couple of beat cops who have fantasies about Dick Grayson. Nolan said there wouldn't ever be a Robin. If these people were worth their movie news salt, they wouldn't have tried to make a story out of cock chode. Fucking idiots. Fucking fucktarded FUCKBITE FUCKNUTTED FUCKROACHES. YOU GODDAMN FUCKING PIECES OF FAT SHIT, I WILL RIP YOU APART AND SHOVE YOUR REMAINS INTO GIFFORDS' HEADHOLE YOU STUPID FUCKWAD BABY RAPING ASSHOLES WHO MASTURBATE WITH PLACENTA.
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Feb. 6, 2011, 4:32 a.m. CST
JETT@BOF's DEBUNKING HAS JUST BEEN DEBUNKED ROBIN STILL IN FILM! YES!
by MerryHulkster
jett is a grade a asshole and has just been debunked multiple sources have confirmed that robin is in and specifically mentioned robin three times on three different occasions this was no misinformation! YEs JETT can go fuck himself ROBIn Rules and needs to be in the film for this to be a TRUE Batman legacy film! heres the link! http://www.dailyblam.com/news/2011/02/05/multiple-sources-corroborate-rumored-appearance-of-robin-in-the-dark-knight-rises
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I was just reading Dark Victory and thought it would work if Robin appeared in the final film. He comes in when Bruce is at his darkest.
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Feb. 6, 2011, 4:55 a.m. CST
@bmcapers DarK Victory is awesome and exactly how robin should be done
by MerryHulkster
great example and im glad that idiot jett just got debunked multiple sources are saying robin is still in http://www.dailyblam.com/news/2011/02/05/multiple-sources-corroborate-rumored-appearance-of-robin-in-the-dark-knight-rises
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Feb. 6, 2011, 5:24 a.m. CST
Should be retitled; A dark Knight rises, when he sees robin in tights.
by Stalkeye
Just sayin.
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Sorry, but it's a fact. I see no prob with introducing a 'rival' vigilante to Batman - not in a garish and clumsy Schumacher way, but someone who has taken the law into his own hands - like young Bruce - and will stop at nothing (including murder) to bring scum to justice. I think a mature approach to Robin would be awesome - but it shouldn't be the focus of the whole film.
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The guy is so full of shit thinking he's 'in' with the WB people. This is the same guy who was certain one of the 'minor actors' from Matrix 2 was going to be the Joker. Seriously, he kept going on how this 'undiscovered talent' was going to get the gig. What a tool.
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I thought Chris Nolan said Robin would NEVER appear in his films? If they do bring it Robin... I hope his suit is completely redesigned. Male robins (birds) are bright colored to distract predators from their nest. Maybe Robin will distract the heat off Batman and have a cerebral reason as to why he's paired up with Batman rather than just saying "Holy sharks Batman!" I'm a sidekick! I keep thinking of a costume similar to the "Daredevil." Masculine and dark. It needs to be red, imho... but dark. <br> See: <br> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/14/Daredevil_65.jpg
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Feb. 6, 2011, 8:12 a.m. CST
I can't believe how many idiots thought Quint was serious...
by dr sauch
Honestly, there are some STUPID people reading this website.
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Feb. 6, 2011, 9:10 a.m. CST
"officials who didn't want to be identified due to confidentiality agreements" = bullshit pulled out the ass
by AsimovLives
I believe this as much i believe there's english speaking green poddles living on the Moon. I'd had to see it to believe. Word of mouth will just not do.
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Indeed. It would veer this Batman run into slash fiction rerritory, just like Abrams did with Star Trek. Hopefully, Nolan is a clever man then that. I rather hope if there is any truth to this unconfirmed rumour, that it has anything to do with the casting of Robin Williams for a major role.
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"TDK made a metric fuck-tonne of money - including Robin to attract the teen crowd is pointless - teens saw the shit out of TDK. In fact the only demographics that DIDN'T see TDK was the unborn and the dead." The most awesome line of the week.
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I read nothing substantial in that supposed debunking article. It basically is the same story ran earlier, just with more "he said/she said" stuff in it. Jett has enough connection to the production that if he comes out and says it ain't happening, then you can pretty much put your paycheck on it that it won't.
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THe only way i can imagine a Robin in the Batman Nolanverse is like you said, is to go the The Dark Knight Returns route and have Robin played by a young woman like Ellen Page or a similiar type of actress. And in this days and age, the idea of a Robin who is still a teenager, and one young as 12 years old, is moronic, regardless if you cast robin as male or female. As for those who think that recasting Robin as a girl in a gender flip can't work, well, it worked wonders in BATTLESTAR GALACTICA for Starbuck, Boomer and Admiral Cain. It's not the concept but the execution.
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The people who say that Robin cannot work in the Nolan's Batman movie is CHRISTOPHER NOLAN HIMSELF. You would think he would best know about the subject, on account it's he who's making the movies, don't you think? His opinion on the matter superceeds yours, surely.
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You don't like Batman & Robin with Damian Wayne? To each his own.
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Raimi never wanted to have Venon in his Spider-Man movies and if it was his will, it would never happened. He was strongarmed into it agaisnt his will, and he did it kicking and screaming, which shows in the final product. Raimi never had the same clout and power in his Spider-Man movies that Nolan has on his Batman movies. Raimi never had the same say-so power that Nolan has. Raimi was forced to make concessions that Nolan, after BATMAN BEGINS, never had to make.
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Nolan has always been exitant to comit to new movies which are not of his own creation, like MEMENTO and INCEPTION. After BATMAN BEGINS was released, he didn't comit to a sequel immediatly, in fact, he even hinted almsot for sure that he wouldn't return to another Batman movie. He did the same thing after THE DARK KNIGHT. And he's doing the same thing for his 3rd Batman movie. Frankly, i don't believe as yet that he might stop at the 3rd Batman movie. I'll only believe it for sure when they will, like, do a Batman reboot or publicly confirm the hiring of a different director in the trade papers. Until then, i don't take for granted what Nolan says when he claims to be done with the current Batman film series. He really loves to play hard to get.
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Consider this: In Nolan's Batman movies, one of the reasons why Bruce Wayne assumes the Batman persona is to cause fear and fright into the criminal community. In the Nolanverse, criminals aren't complicated people, and they are superstitious. The Batman persona is sused to strike fear by assuming the figure of the Bat, and animal long associated with imagery of fear and devilry. The fear of bats is an actual real life condition caled "Chiroptophobia". Now, imagine the robin bird. Is that an image that can strike the fear on anybody? Who's affraid of robins? Who would be afraid and intimidated by a guy going around dressed up in an Halloween costume calling himself the Robin? If anything, the man would be a walking target for ridiculle and roundhouse beatings. The criminals would make cue to have a round on him. They would actualy search for him to beat the shit out of him. Going around fighting crime by calling yourself Robin is like asking to be called a fag and get your assed kicked. I mean, imagine an hardcore criminal facing this guy calling himself Robin, he would give the fight of his life and then some just to avoid the humiliation to being knocked out by a guy with the sissy name of Robin. It would be embaracing and humiliating beyond all else. It would be as if you had your asses kicked by somebody calling himself FAGASS. Nobody wants that humiliation and get mocked for the rest of their lives. Everytime Robin had to fight anybody, he would had to fight people who would fight to their max and their last strenght in their body to avoid the humiliation. Which does defeat the porpose of the idea of a vigilant that strikes fear and panic on criminals. Having a vigilante call himself Robin and be an effective sidekick to Batman might had worked well in the days when only young kids read the Batman comics and watch the TV show, in an kids in an age when they don't question the logic behind the shows they watch and the comics they read, because they just go by the rule of cool unquestionably. Today, when Batman is also very popular among the adult readership and audiences, a sidekick called Robin is just the perfect terrain for mockery and derision. And rightly so. I mean, why the hell do you think the character was later renamed Nightwing when he got his own comic run? A far more cool name then the faggy Robin for sure, and which actually is in tune to the presentation of a vigilante who operates through stealth and fear.
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If having an adult Robin would make Batmna and Robin look like the Amazing Gay Duo, what you think it would look like if Robin was a 8 years old child, or even a 12 years old teen? You ever heard of this thing called PAEDOPHILIA? Because the jokes would come quick and thick. If you think that having adults Batman and Robin going about is bad, a younger robin would be even worst! Much worst! Incomparably worst!
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20 years ago...
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Feb. 6, 2011, 11:14 a.m. CST
But, Asi, you take for granted he meant what he said when he said "no Robin?"
by Subtitles_Off
Like you, I don't believe a thing that comes out of his mouth. Unlike you, I don't think that's due to some kind of brilliant creative mind being all ultra-clever to manipulate excitement. It's the evidence of somebody who is making it all up as he goes along. Robin is --- CERTAINLY --- no sillier in any Batman universe than Bane would be. You have to do somersaults of logic to think otherwise. "Well, he'll change Bane to fit in his universe." Yeah? Just like he's changed Batman, Alfred, Henri Ducard Al Ghul, Zsasz, Johnathan Crane, and just like he'd change Robin. All along, Nolan'd Batman universe has been Batman-in-name-only. Robin-in-name-only not only would fit in fine, all the fanboys who hate "Robin" and think he's gay will adore it. Greatest Robin, ever. The only real Robin. Nolan is a genius. Blah-blah-blah.
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Robin in the Nolanverse is EXTREMELY SILLY. Reread my post about about the idea of fear behind the Batman persona and how fucking ridiculous in it a guy called Robin would be. Who the fuck are afraids of robins? I belive nolan when he says that Robin would not work in his series of Batman films. And i have his movies as good proof of that.
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I remember reading after Batman Begins came out Nolan said he would consider Frankie Muniz for Robin
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"Sources say the area is being considered as a hideout for Batman sidekick Robin." "might someone be circuitously referring to Hugo Strange, who a bevy of recent rumors (like THIS ONE) have suggested might be played by Robin Williams?" Why would somebody be referring circuitously to Robin Williams as "Batman sidekick Robin"?
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So TDKR is going to have bane, catwoman, Hugo strange and now Robin?! if all these rumours end up being true we're going to end up with Spidey3 all over again! Not good... But under Nolan I cant imagine will happen anyway! Also although everyone keeps saying Catwoman is in this, has that actually been stated anywhere officially? I'm sure she will be (otherwise it'll be one big tease), but the official release stuff has purely focused on selina Kyle and not once mentioned catwoman! I'm taking all these rumours with a grain of salt until we get an official announcement. Still bummed we're not going to a Nolan version of the riddler as well...
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Hardened criminals and crazies, I guess. Good old Alfred Pennyworth barely gives 'em a glance as he delivers his tea. A robin can peck your eye out and shit on your precious Chrysler 300s or Escalades. People are REALLY afraid of anything happening to their cars, not a flying rat biting them. In real life, anyone dressing up like ANYTHING superhero-ish would face jeers and derision and ass-kicking, be it Batman OR Robin. As for the Spiderman 3 feeling, I'm a little concerned, but I think Nolan'll be alright. I'd take Robin over ThingsAreWorseThanEvar.
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Feb. 6, 2011, 12:38 p.m. CST
llCruize2 your a moron stop blowing jett u fag! Robin Rules and should be in it
by MerryHulkster
and yes jetts bullshit is debunked when they wenty back to the people and interviewed them a SECOND time u asshole and three different people corroborate robin http://www.dailyblam.com/news/2011/02/05/multiple-sources-corroborate-rumored-appearance-of-robin-in-the-dark-knight-rises
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As some one said before it willbe a female |Robin. It changes the dinamic enough for it not to be camp or creepy. It looks fresh and original in film form as t has not been done yet. Personally I think that Alfred will be killed in Wayne Manor/Batcave - the location has been set up in the second film. Batman will be totally alone. There is no female character for him to relate to now that Gylinhal has been blown up. Robin will be a redemption or memory of what he was. Not sure that Robin will appear but if he/she does bet it will be as above. It will be good advertising too... press would love it too. Dont think it would be Ellen Page. She is too slight to be the athletic Robin and Nolan knows how to cast. It would have to be some one more athletic. I hope that Catwoman does not turn into the flirty mess that she normally does. Can a woman not appear in a Batman film with out being a love interest? Its been done and is tired.
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if Robin is in it. I am sure that Nolan would talk him round. Also he will have a 2 picture deal, he cannot walk I suspect. After the "trashing the lights" incident I am sure he is trying to appear a little more mellow too. Nothing stops work like a few too many tantrums... Val Kilmur, Linda Fiorintino and Crispin Glover will tell you that.
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If anyone can depict Robin as the total bad-ass he is in the comics, Nolan can. Robin's had a really tough time in the live-action world for far too long. Everyone that reads the books understands the characters vast movie potential. Hopefully we'll see a Robin that's way more Hit-Girl, way less Chris O'Donnell.
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Feb. 6, 2011, 2:14 p.m. CST
lol i just had an argument with jett from BOF and told him to fuck off!lol ROBIN RULES
by MerryHulkster
pretentious! douchebag that he is i told him i dont care what 'sources" he has unless hes read the script he should shut the fuck up and fuck off!lol Robin rules! fuck that loser jett
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Feb. 6, 2011, 2:30 p.m. CST
Robin rules! i just told jett to go Fuck off on his facebook!lol
by MerryHulkster
told him robin rules and i dont care what "sources he has Unless hes read the script and knows whats going on he should Shut the Fuck up!lol i think it worked!
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that would be fucking awesome i like that casting idea more than anne hathaway as catwoman shes just not sexy enough for cat woman
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I thought the interwebs ALWAYS spoke the truth! Mamma!?!?!
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OK, you've got me... Grant Morrison's work on Batman and Robin with Damien Wayne has been good. But it still doesn't really feel like Batman to me. That's not Bruce, it's Dick pretending to be Batman, and the mood is all different. At least Damien's origin and reason for being Robin makes a lot more sense than a lonely Bruce deciding to take in a kid and put him in harms way as a soldier in his obsessive war on crime. I like Bruce as a dark loner. When you bring Robin into the mix, especially if he's "the distraction" (think about that--Batman dresses a kid in brightly colored tights to be a human target and draw gunfire away from his ass skulking in the shadows--WTF?!?!?) it just kills the mood.
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"But really, is anyone really afraid of literal bats?" Yes, it's documented, and it's called Chiroptophobia". And the bat has always been connected with imagery of evil and the devil. Remember the devil as depicted with bat wings? There you have it. Would hardened criminals be scared of a bat figure? Going by the notion that the majority of criminals are uneducated, ignorant and superstitious, then yeah, it would work a charm. A big devil looking bat figure who lurks in the dark and cames out of nowhere to kick your ass? You bet! That would make even the hardest criminals shit their pants in terror! Beside,s the thign with Batman is the sum of various things: A big guy dressed up in a scary costume looking like a bat from hell; a guy who comes out of nowhere ninja-style and can kick your ass seven ways to sunday; and that somebody would be crazy and highly motivated enough to dress as a big bat and would had the ability to kick your ass six days from sunday coming out of nowhere like a ninja is a terrifying prostect that would make evne the hardest criminals shit their pants and to hide under their mother's skirts. Is Batman scary? You bet your fucking ass it is, if you really think about it!
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"There is no female character for him to relate to now that Gylinhal has been blown up." You're forgetting that Catwoman will be in the movie.
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... it would bring an interesting dynamic for Batman with Robin and Catwoman both veeing for Batman's attention (and heart), while he's still aching from Rachael's demise and obsessed in his task of freeing Gotham from it's shackles of crime.
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A robin is not a scary animal by any stretch of the imagination. Who the fuck is scared by a Robin? Might as well call him Nightingale or Canary, it's as lame. It's a terrible name for a masked viligante. Robin, wow, so scary!!! NOT!
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Honestly a non-shit robin would probably work since Nolan's batman seems like he is getting tired of going this alone. Though nolan's batman does not seem to have any nurturing ability so maybe the dick or tim robins would be discarded? Maybe we can get a girl robin who transitions to batgirl?
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Feb. 6, 2011, 7:14 p.m. CST
arkhaminmate001, Batfags gaybar is already doing X-Men first class!
by otakuoverlord
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Nolan said he wasn't planning on introducing Robin because these Batman stories all happened before Robin was even born.
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this has some very interesting theories... don't see JGL as Hugo Strange, but the rest seems to add up... http://popped-corn.blogspot.com/2011/02/dark-knight-rises.html very plausible, no?
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO- Robin. Please GOD PLEASE NO!
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Perhaps he grows up wanting to save people's lives like what Batman did for his father. Or perhaps his family and the family of his best friend from martial arts school gets killed by the fallout from some criminal activity. He hounds Batman and asks him to teach him. Batman takes him in out of compassion for the new vigilante person that he's become. No tights. Bruce makes him a suit and a paranymphic glidder to smash through criminals' windows, which Robin also uses to take particularly hot NYU girls out on Boy Wonder dates. Aren't those shots and lines of Jimmy kinda peculiar? Perhaps Nolan is doing both a heart-string thing and a way in for Robin?
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Check out my thoughts on the Robins on hubpages.com http://aaronhubb89.hubpages.com/hub/Wheres-the-love-for-Robin
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