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CAPTAIN AMERICA teaser poster is out!!!
Hey folks, Harry here...
I get a little pissed off when people denigrate CAPTAIN AMERICA. Of course, I am a 5th Generation Eagle Scout - that was born and raised in a Comic Book & Movie Collectibles business. CAPTAIN AMERICA is the soul of the Marvel Universe. He's the constant reminder of the ideals of what the United States of America used to mean.
He came from an era, where our moral compass was solid. When there was true evil in the world and Captain America gave a generation that saw their fathers, uncles and older brothers go into battle against a technologically superior force, at least at the beginning. Cap was there in the pages, the spirit of the fight, he was Uncle Sam with fists to bash in the supernatural and super science perils that the Axis threw at us. He was fiction, but fiction that espoused a belief in the red, white and blue.
The world has changed, mostly America has changed. Our moral compass isn't what it used to be. Today we fight amongst ourselves... Cap stands as a reminder that divided we fall. Something that has been entirely forgotten in our warring two party system.
Some cynical types consider Captain America "goofy" - thinking of him as a blind patriotic tool, but he isn't. Captain America is the fighting spirit of the United States. He roots out evil, both foreign and domestic, and he fights to preserve and inspire the union in which he so believes. At least for me.
I certainly understand the current abuse of our American symbols, where we have people that wrap themselves in the American flag - without even the slightest understanding of what it means.
Today, PARAMOUNT / MARVEL has released the teaser poster for THE FIRST AVENGER: CAPTAIN AMERICA... and it is a somber piece. Mud and dirt exploding behind him. His shield with the paint war scarred. His helmet off and his head in mourning - and I find myself wondering what atrocity, Captain America is about to avenge, as the words state. Will we see BUCKY die in this film? I do not know, nor do I want to. I do know we're going to see the RED SKULL do some pretty bad damage - and we certainly know what the Nazis are capable of. We know how much blood was spilt in WWII, so there's a lot for the fighting spirit of America to pound into the dirt.
In my living room at my house, hanging for the last year and a half is my original CAPTAIN AMERICA serial one sheet from 1944. Right now - I ran my computer down to the dining hall where there's about 8 WWII veterans, and I showed them the CAPTAIN AMERICA poster and it made them smile. I'd talked to George (my 93 year old roommate) about Cap - and he told me that every service man in the Navy, which was where he served, loved CAPTAIN AMERICA. His outrageous antics were discussed in bunks and each soldier kind of felt a little bit like Cap.
Maybe spending two and a half weeks geeking with these old timers has made me a bit more sentimental, but I doubt it. I love CAPTAIN AMERICA, just as I love the era from whence he sprouted. He was a national hero... a man, too sick to serve, but through super science became the pinnacle of physical perfection.
I for one, can not wait.
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Harry comments upon CAPTAIN AMERICA & his teaser poster!
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I'm getting much more excited about this one than Green Lantern. Red Skull photos coming soon I imagine...
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Love the feel of it. Really starting to look forward to this movie with each little bit we see.
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You ran anywhere:)
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Don't know which to be more hyped for, Thor or this!
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Chris Evans is no Harry Dean Stanton.
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Very well done.
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to recast this? I'm still not sold on Chris Evans as Captain America. Arnie Hammer would've been better, I think.
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Both the poster and the writing for this piece was pretty top notch. Well done.
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i approve 125%
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Marvel really likes those clouds in the background like in Iron Man & Thor posters. But this one is the best.
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About the state of America and how selfish we have become and how much we war amongst ourselves. We have no common goal. We USED to. We wanted to beat the Russians to space. We were told to "Ask what we could do for our country". Not today. It is sad. GI JOE movie was a perfect example of this....Being embarrassed about American patriotism. B-Fing-Shit. I'm a school teacher...I can not tell you how much America's youth would worship Snookie and J-wow over their beloved flag. :-/
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Everything I've heard about this film so far seems almost like everyone involved feels the need to apologize for it. I WISH this film was going to be the bad-ass Nazi fighting Captain America who makes the whole world remember when and why America was awesome....I just dont think thats the film thats being made. Patriotism is nothing to be ashamed of. I hope the filmmakers realize that.
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What, you mean, pussy around until you don't have ANY choice but to join the war, and then construct nonsense propaganda for 60 years afterwards (Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, Captain America) to perpetuate the notion that it was America land-of-the-brave who won the war rather than the despicable commie Soviets; And THEN using your comparatively more powerful economic position (having barely fought in the war, having profiteered from its British ally, and suffered no domestic damage at all) --- construct the world economic order to perpetuate economic hegemony and ensure the total subordination of the developing world. FUCK America.
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duly noted, I rolled down...
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A reminder of what the ideals *used* to be? The ideals are still the same, it's just that some people disagree with them, or idealize other things, or interpret them slightly differently, etc....which is what people have been doing since 1776 anyway. There has never been some unbelievable consensus in this country where we all lined up 100% on the same side (and no, not even WWII). America has changed, yes, and in many ways, for THE BETTER. I may be one of the most conservative folks on this board, and you couldn't pay me enough to go live in the 30's, 40's, or 50's. If you think politicians are polarized now, at least they aren't KILLING EACH OTHER like was the case 150+ years ago (see Aaron Burr et al.). And as for the pic - maybe it's gloom and mourning - or maybe it's a sort of "calm within the storm" suggesting Cap's bravery and determination....
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Go get'em Cap.
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That star is the iconic part of the Cap costume. Why have that strap across it?
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Again, Chris, Joe, this could be a redeeming film for the both of you. Fingers crossed.
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416,800. Fuck you, psycho. Seriously.
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fookin great poster
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im still not sold on chris evans as cap... i like chris evans, but he just doesnt seem like cap to me
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I feel that this film is going to KICK ASS.
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Surprised this one hasn't been fleshed out here yet..
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We are no more or less moral today as a nation than we were in the 1940's. Or, do you suppose that a nation that would imprison it's own natural born citizens for no reason other than their ethnic background was a moral society? Or, do you suppose that a nation that would prevent it's Black population from serving in the front ranks during the war - or prevent them from co-mingling with it's white soldiers is a more moral society?
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Damn good poster
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...or does he look like Anderson Cooper in this pic?
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I do like the poster though.
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great write-up! totally hit the nail on the head with cap's importance/meaning
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....10 million? That are officially recorded, that is. UK civilian deaths: 67,000 USA civilian deaths: 1,700 Yugoslavia had higher military deaths than both the USA and the UK, and has a population 8 times smaller than the USA. Soviet Civilian deaths? ....another 14 million. That are officially recorded, that is. So don't play the fucking casualty game with me.
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I teach too - its the same in my school
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Feb. 4, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST
skarekroe: never would have thought of that, but you are right...
by WriteForTheEdit
...there's definitely some AC resemblance... ha! CA... AC... Captain America 360!
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Kudos to the marketing team thus far. Now, get that trailer out while the Steelers are killing Green Bay and I shall award a flawless victory.
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Hey psycho_rat_attack, don't give me any of the until we had to fight Bulls*#t. Roosevelt lent the British U.S. naval destroyers back in 1940 to help them fight the war until America entered it a year later. He knew that it was inevitable that we would be entering the war sooner that later. Maybe if Europe stood up to that failed painter back in the early 30's all of this could of been avoided. If it wasn't for us Hitler would not have had to fight a two front war and who knows what the outcome would be. No damage domestically what about the destruction of the US Pacific fleet in Pearl Harbor under a cowardly sneak attach by the Japanese. So do not ever bad mouth those who fought and died for this country fighting to rid the world of that evil. I for one am truly excited to finally see Marvel giving Capt a film that is worthy of their Greatest Hero.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST
It's time to snap out of it America. Listen up and listen good.
by UltraTron
We will become 2nd banana to China in 8 years and you won't like it. So get smart and lead the world in innovation. We must remain the most innovative and cosmopolitan. We're already not considered the most cosmopolitan. It's time to rally our greatest under a single banner we all agree on and explode forth with the spirit that beat the Japanese. Look. The idea of one world illuminati demon possessed government does not work. The way the world works is free trade amongst many bodies. China does not govern it's billion+ people with 1 system. We have to band together as Americans and realize the stakes. It is flat out economic war for everything you've ever known as American culture. You will be assimilated if you don't get smart and become the elite pool of human resources the planet has to offer. When cap'n America was first announced I, like many of you made jokes about him- the usual obvious stuff. But now he and superman are more important than they have ever been. We must create a new offering to the world economic system. This will require you to use your brains. If you are in school- make straight As and get a scholarship to Yale or even Stanford. Just fucking do it. Get smart and innovate. Think outside the box and push push push. Bwaaaaahahahaha! Just kidding- you're all gonna fucking die.
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How the fuck is AICN so far behind, constantly? Just now, ComingSoon has new photos from Sherlock Holmes 2: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=73808 New Spiderman Photos: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=73812 And already had the Cap teaser poster when AICN published the Lois Lane story. Sigh. I like this site because I like the community, and the quality reviewers (all bar herc and harry), but come on. This site used to be in the lead, now it is constantly behind. It seems all the effort goes into redundant Post 0 shit instead of actually breaking stories.
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Guess we are not helping our cause by posting on message boards during work...well it's silent reading time here at least hahahah /sigh
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just kidding
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Feb. 4, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST
It was awsome when Cap attacked the Japanese Tourist
by Domi'sInnerChild
In the Avengers cartoon. Here's hoping Cap is a raging racist in the Avengers movie. "I don't know Tony, I just don't feel comfortable using the same bathroom as Black Panther."
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Feb. 4, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST
Harry, it's all right to like something without there being MEANING
by Rex Carsalot
Every one of your articles is the same. Reference unique childhood disovery, usually by chance. Said childhood discovery is now being made into a movie. Harry makes some EPIC CONNECTION about god, the universe, the state of man, his soul, life, etc, because his wizened age affords him the ability of PERSPECTIVE!! Try this just once, okay? "Oh, they're making a Thundercats movie? I really used to dig that cartoon. Maybe I'll like the movie. Maybe not." THE END.
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Tara Ried at a recent benefit show at the Comedy Store in L.A., the actress casually dropped quite the bombshell on fans of Joel and Ethan Coen's cult classic "And we'll be doing 'American Pie 4' this year and 'Big Lebowski 2' this year." Thankfully, that's just what a reporter for Austin360 did while interviewing the Coen brothers about their current flick, "True Grit." "I'm glad she's working on it," joked Ethan when the subject of Reid's comments came up, adding that, while they don't have any plans for a sequel, "we'll watch it when it comes out." "Especially if Tara's in it," teased Joel.
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Yes, the men and women of that time rose to the occasion during extraordinary circumstances. But, America as a whole was far from a more moral place than what you wrote. Men and children were lynched in the South with impunity. Women, and minorities of all persuasions were treated as inferiors. Captain America represents the ideal, and I happen to be a long time fan of Cap. I hope this movie will be just as amazing as the photos that we have seen make it appear to be. But, I will not believe that Cap came from a 'kinder more gentler' time in American history. At least, not for all
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Am I the only one that thinks this looks like G.I. Joe: The Prequel? Red Skulls army looks like an older version of Cobra Commanders, the futuristic sets remind me of his underwater base, hell even this poster looks almost exactly like Channing Tatum’s character poster from the color tone, the background and the way the character is looking away. This reeks of one big cheesefest. Now don’t get me wrong I really enjoyed G.I. Joe thought it was hell of fun but that’s because I didn’t hype it up to being great unlike this which everyone seems to think is going to be the superhero movie of the year. My bet is still on Ryan “will always be Hannibal King” Reynolds Green Lantern over this.
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how solid was our moral compass in the 40s? Ask black, japanese, native american, homosexual, and female citizens that question. Just saying I dont like when people look at the past with rose colored glasses.
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Nah, didn't really care for Thundercats, sorry.
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...a solid moral compass as described above. But whatever. Nice looking poster otherwise.
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I'm putting the kibosh on all posts of this nature once and for all. This site has never broken new news. This site takes news stories from other places and puts them in front of you to comment on. Get it?
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your post is spot on, seeing as it reflects on both of my races (Japanese and black).... so, yea, fuck Captain America, he is nothing but a propoganda tool now, Batman, thats a hero with a moral compass (or a very fucked up one at least)
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psycho_rat_attack you better reread your history books. Total US casualties during WWII were 418,500 not 1,700. Yes the soviet did suffer more than us in both military and civilian deaths. But what of the death of the 10,000,000 or so Stalin is responsible for during the purges of the 1930's and the pact he signed with Hitler to stay out of the war. Of course Hitler did break that pact but still do not give that the soviets are completely innocent crap.
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but whatever. Looking forward to the trailer finally. This is my most anticipated film for summer '11.
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It tells you nothing, can be mistaken for the title by anyone that doesn't no Captain America, makes you think about the Avengers instead of Cap, and distracts from an otherwise strong image. I'd buy that poster without Avenge on it.
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...so Joe Johnston had better fucking nail it. This poster? A+
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You know this will be only slightly better than Fantastic Four...I don't understand the supreme love for this movie on this site
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Feb. 4, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST
yourstepdaddy - that is not exactly what I was attempting to say
by TallanDagwood
I am sorry if it came off clumsily. I, by no means am denigrating Captain America. I think he is an outstanding character -representing the American ideal, more than the American reality. The Batman is also a truly outstanding character. They both have their own moral compasses -whether you agree with them or not. You can find greatness and fault in both - which makes them far more human and far more fascinating than most characters.
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PEOPLE, DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF THE REAL PROBLEM HERE. THE TEASER POSTER LOOKS AMAZING, BUT THIS IS A MOVIE DIRECTED BY JOE JOHNSTON, THE HACK WHO BROUGHT US 'JURASSIC PARK III' AND 'THE WOLFMAN.' I DON'T EVEN MIND CHRIS EVANS AS CAPTAIN AMERICA SO MUCH, BUT BAD DIRECTORS DONT IMPROVE BECAUSE OF GOOD SOURCE MATERIAL. REMEMBER BACK WHEN BRET RATNER TOOK OVER X-MEN III. I WAS PRAYING THAT HE MIGHT TAKE OVER WHERE SINGER LEFT OFF AND MAGICALLY MAKE SOMETHING BETTER THAN HIS HISTORY SUGGESTED, BUT LIKE JOE JOHNSTON WILL DO SHORTLY, HE LET US DOWN. DON'T BE FOOLED BY TEASER POSTERS AND TRAILERS. THE REAL TEST WILL BE THE MOVIE ITSELF.
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tragedy than a billion people from any other nation. Seriously. We are fucking gods
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Sometimes I think the grass is greener in some other country, but there's something about our individualism that I can't give up.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST
As a 23-year military veteran and staunch Captain America fan...
by DellsDontBounce
This is the absolute one movie that I will proudly treat my family to this summer. Thor will be good, no doubt, but Captain America and I both fought for the same American ideals. My wife and I will be in Texas with my son, his wife and her folks when CA:TFA opens.
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this movie looks like it is coming along nicely... if it werent for that super-soldier fight scene in Hulk and Evans as Cap, I might not be interested at all speaking of being not interested in a movie, when does Thor come out? I just wanna know how many people will protest the black Norse (which even I find a bit ridiculous)
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to me. Fighting Hydra instead of Nazis;wearing the Simon/Kirby costume only to be made fun of by the troops when doing a USO tour. What a nice way to pay homage to Joe Simon and Jack "King" Kirby's creation, NOT! Fuck you Joe Johnston and Marvel Studios.
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world war 2 was fought for MONEY. how do you think hitler, the grandson of a rothschild, obtained the 'loans' to fight the war? during the war, the rockefellers CONTINUED to sell oil to germany. the international bankers, many of them jewish, CONTINUED to loan hitler money, why? because war is good money. the internaional bankers must be stopped at all costs, as they are destroying everything. Andrew Jackson famously stated, 'the bank tried to kill me, but i killed it.' why is a president, concerned with a BANK??? i will wait to see this movie on cable for free, because i am SICK of world war 2 propaganda. flip on the tv at any given moment in the USA, and if you scroll through enough channels, you will either see hitler, or some other nazi symbolism. why? because hitler was one of the rothschild's 'proudest' sons. i hate war. i hate propaganda. i am sick of the international banker.
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who served during the Vietnam War, as a helicopter and jet engine mechanic...
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Joe Johnston also made The Rocketeer. Nice to see you living up to your name.
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Apart from that massive tacky "MARVEL.COM" which hopefully isn't on the real poster.
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FRIEND:<br><br> Even Chris Evans? That excites you? I just don't think the 'young cap' is what we really want to see. I would have preferred Mark Valley or a similar actor to play Cap. Chris Evans does not excite me. However, Chris Hemsworth playing Thor directed by Kenneth Branagh does excite me.<br><br> ME:<br><br> Chris Evans seemed to be a pop choice, and I was ambivalent when I heard about the casting. With each interview and clip, he's won me over. He's taking the role seriously and wants to do right by the character and the fans. The last assurance for me was seeing the Avengers cast lined up for the first time at a con.<br><br> I'm on board. Marvel is taking us for a wild ride, and I for one am never going to complain. This is what my friends and I dreamed of when we were kids, hoping for our heroes to hit the big screen with big budgets. I never thought a Marvel movie universe could exist, and now we're living it. Unprecedented. Historic.<br><br> Oh, to be 12 right now.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST
Terrible, terrible, poster! Its a poster for The Avengers!
by HollywoodHellraiser
It doesn't fit Captain America whatsoever! Marvel is hedging all its money on The Avengers so much that they're not giving a damn about Capt America..not even on a poster! Anyone who's read a CA comic damn well know 'avenge' has nothing to do with CA whatsoever! If this poster doesn't signify what Marvel is all about than I don't know else to say!
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I'm hearing it is quite a bit better than FF. My posts are not about the end quality of the film, but my hopes and dreams for the film that is to come based upon a passion for the character.
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an elementary technology integrator, and I can attest to, first hand, the lackadaisical attitude that our students, and their parents(!) have toward any show of patriotism. Makes me sad...
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Die in a fire. Simple as that. I don't have the time or the energy to form a rebuttal to your pathetic "FUCK America" rant. You seem like a giant waste of air, so my words and thoughts, in the limited time I have, stand. Die in a fire.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST
Cap: "What the hell are these letters doing on my chest?"
by Styrophoamicus
I would be thinking that too if "Avenge" suddenly appeared across my chest
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As an avid comic book reader in the 80's and 90's most comic movies have been a disappointment. Look what they've done to the Hulk with great material and top notch actors. Keep up the hard work Harry!
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Or is his fly undone? Sorry, I think the greatness of this poster is lost one me. I think Evans is fine for the part though. "Avenge" isn't the bestest tag line for Captain America though. Avengers, sure, but not the Cap.
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I agree with you about the youth of America taking its place for our future but....more Americans are becoming lazy and dependent on the government to support them. They do not have the "Ask not what my country can for me..." attitude. This place is going downhill fast. Maybe it's just where I work but the people I see are so greedy, lazy, uneducated and have this misplaced sense of entitlement that I cannot imagine a better future for our country unless something dramatic happens. It's a shame. This could have been a great place.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST
FUCKING AWESOME POSTER! I WANT THIS FOR MY WALL!
by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS
WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT
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He's too boyish. But I admit, I do anticipate the trailer. Hopefully Evans can convince me otherwise.
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I removed it for ya. I agree. It should be here...I think. http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs060.snc6/169030_517195639555_92401102_30546836_2755426_n.jpg
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They wouldn't work for anybody but Cap.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST
Can the grade school history course, America has rarely been united.
by Knuckleface
The America we know is a myth. Division, hate and ignorant populism have always haunted American history. The foundations for the Civil War were built on seething resentments that stretched back the signing of the original constitution. And the signing of the constitution was by no means an easy sell. The the first 20 years of American independence was marked by violent outbursts, angry mobs, and even angrier lynch mobs. Politicians who acted against the will of the mob feared being tarred and feathered (a very brutal form of torture, btw). I needed tell you the country was divided during the Civil War. The Post-war reconstruction era and the urbanization of America (a period stretching 50 years, until the start of WWI) was probably the most brutal era in America's history, as the poor were systematically abused at the hands of a few wealthy robber-barons. This period was like a return to the monarchy, except that the Kings and Queens were replaced by bosses, and they had even more power over life and death. Working in the slaughter houses of Chicago or the Steel Mills of Pittsburgh was probably the closest any living person would get to being in Hell. The Americans were late arrivals to the first world war, and they didn't do much more than break the stalemate. But the first world war did give Americans a rallying point, even if the rallying point was based on false pretenses. (I'm referring, of course, to the fact that the Germans didn't start the first world war, but that they were held accountable for it). The 1920s saw slightly better conditions for all Americans as social movements succeeded in bringing some slight increase in wages and the 8 hour workday. Of course that all collapsed with Wall Street. FDR fought off fierce competition from the Republican party on virtually every issue. FDR's terms as President was the most divisive in the country's history, second only to Lincoln's tenure and the Civil War. It was only the fact that the Republicans and their Fat Cat constituents had so thoroughly lost the sympathy of the American people during the previous 50 years that FDR managed to win favour with the electorate. Whatever you think the soul of America is, fairness, justice, prosperity for all... that's all FDR's doing. America basically owes him everything it has. During and after WWII, America did undergo a unifying quasi-peacetime. That was mostly the result of increased prosperity, as the country expanded from being an urban and agrarian nation into a suburban, auto-driven nation. As others have mentioned though, opportunity was for white men, and everyone else was considered a lesser person. The 1960s and 70s were defined by internal strife once again, as we all know. Arguably, America's greatest moment occurred in the 1980s and early 90s, when anger and divisiveness was momentarily replaced by optimism and community engagement. The Clinton Era, and the return of the angry white man brought an end to that.
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I hope it's a bit more convincing in motion... I think it's the fact that he's usually playing the "hot shot frat boy" roles that's hurting my belief in him as a noble avenger.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST
Psyscho rat's grasp of history is dependent on his med intake
by SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform
It takes common sense to know that of course casualities on the American side would be lower, considering no WW2 battles were fought on AMERICAN SOIL. And America had just gotten out of ANOTHER WORLD WAR, so yeah, isolationism slowed the process. That did not, however, keep America from sending supplies to the allies. And let's not forget that America was also fighting the Japanese at the time. I'd be curious whether or not rat idiot comes back to see how big of a second asshole he's been torn.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST
That poster not only owns our fucking lives, it devours it immensely
by axelfoley
Anyone who denies that is lying. Great poster. Still should've got, you know a BLOND guy as Cap, but im giving him a shot. Poster owns.
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Like Khan said that fateful day. I agree with those who said they can do without the word "avenge" on this poster. I think it would be more dramatic without that word on there.
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If any film was made for a painted poster in the old style, a la Drew Struzan, this was it. Never mind.
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umm...the war wasn't fought on American soil for the most part (besides some Pacific islands) so yeah the casualty figures for civilian deaths will be skewed toward European nations...I could also say there were more American civilian deaths than British in the War of 1812...but that would be as equally as moronic a statement as your two senseless rants
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Gorgeous image ruined by asinine typography. Boo, marketing, boo. I've said my piece at length on CAPTAIN AMERICA in other TBs (and will probably do it again) -- I'm of a mind with Harry on this. As a character, Captain America stands as the embodiment of all that is noble, justified and strong about a country that, throughout history and in the present, has not always been. It doesn't matter what America 'is', because Captain stands for what it should and could be. As an outsider, I saw the spirit of Captain America listening to Obama's acceptance speech. "Yes we can." That's Captain America. Because yes we fucking can. But the chorus of voices in the country are far too invested in "No you can't, WE can." And increasingly, not a one speaks for what is right, indisputable and just, because those are inconveniences. The heart and soul of a country are lost to rhetoric and infighting, because me me me mine mine mine. If there ever was a time America needed him, it is now.
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The Maguire Spider-films where he is almost perpetually mask-less? I'm sold on the film either way, but if this is the case I will be at the very least---mildly annoyed.
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Nice job. Looks proper now.
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Keep in mind that Cap got a lot of his ability by taking performance enhancers. Then he let others turn him into their poster boy as the symbol of what we should aspire to. The only thing missing here is that he didn't tell anyone that he's got to get paid! Then he would really be just like so many of us.
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“That did not, however, keep America from sending supplies to the allies.” As other people have pointed out, American businesses financed the Nazi war effort with oil and capital investment. Also, it profited greatly from the supplies sent to its ally Britain, so don’t hold to it as a moral crutch. “And let's not forget that America was also fighting the Japanese at the time.” Yeah that turned out well, didn’t it? Seriously, you just brought up the Japanese to counter my refutation of America’s moral conduct in WW2? “I'd be curious whether or not rat idiot comes back to see how big of a second asshole he's been torn.” Yeah Americans love tearing a second asshole, right? It’s called Nagasaki. Feel patriotic yet?
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"Looky, looky, I got a shiny shield to pwotect me fwom those nasty mean Nazis! Boo boo boo!" Hopefully Hulk or Thor will kick the pussy out of him.
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Featuring Blue Steel™!
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The shield is indestructable, but the paint isn't. the paint is dinged, that is all.
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The US sat back until the British and their empire were all but destroyed so that they could call the shots in the post-War world. We were glad to have them, but that's more than a bit cynical.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST
What is the 'American dream' and what does 'Being American' mean?
by Bobthegrinch
A lot of people outside the US would say the American dream is just to make as much money as possible no matter who you screw over and that being American means being a reactionary racist. Now I would don't agree with this at all but as a none American I'm confused when I hear this notion of being American or certain types of behaviour being un-American. As different sections of American society and many individuals have different ideas of what 'Being American' is, there is clearly no actual unified or definitive idea of what this is, so how does it have any meaning? How is anyone supposed to know what that statement means or be able to say there is a single issue any nation made up of individuals stands united on? No nation on Earth has a fair society or looks out for all its citizens. I don't mean that as anti American rhetoric, I feel exactly the same when I hear people talk about what it means to be English or British. It makes no sense to me. I love England but I love the land, my friends, family and some of the culture but I don't have a sense of national pride. If I did, I would also need a sense of national shame for the all the abhorrent things in British history and that are happening now. I don't take pride or shame in events I had no part in. If Harry is reading these threads and replying, I'd be more interested in his response to people pointing out the flaws in his statements about what America 'used to mean' than whether he likes Thundercats. Anyways I'm looking forward to this. I like the character because of Steve Rogers and what he stands for rather than some undefined notion of what the A on his helmet means. He may be called Captain America but it's the story of a man who was a propaganda tool but through his actions became a hero.
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Since you put it that way, I am with you
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In changing 'would not agree with this at all' to 'don't agree with this at all' I neglected to delete the would.
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It probably gives you Rocketeer nightmares because your mother tried using a vacuum to abort you and instead, rocketed you out of her uterus.
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this poster gives me a total rush... considering the lame marketing of other movies of late... respecful of all those who have died in the name of the stars and stripes... and for those who did fall i salute you... but such a pity this doesn't speak for what the US stands for now... by that I don't mean the service men and women who have endured bad US policy of late... this poster alone makes me want to embrace what the US did for Europe... but makes me sad for what it didn't do for the rest of the world in later years. I am pledged to see this flick!
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You put a lot of heart into that one. And the writing was very clean. Great work.
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Count on it.
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The problem with stating that in the 1940s our Moral Compass was solid, you leave out the whole segregation part, isolationist sentimentality, and Avenging fury against the Japanese. Now you can try to say that's not the point of Captain America and the point is to showcase our liberation idealism and fight evil, but a Prop Hero for a Nation carries that weight and what propaganda does is show us the good side without the negative side. And since the Nation was funded in the slaughter of Native Americans, it is very difficult to franchise this venture with such a shaky foundation. I wish nothing but the best for this movie, but in commercial terms sometimes it's better to just not mention 'controversial items' for the sake of mass appeal, and that's why it will make more money and gain less intellectual integrity. And what I sense is that any criticism of the movie will be seen as a criticism of the Nation itself and vice versa, which is sometimes the result of Nationalistic blindness and sorry to say also fanatic geeks.
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You doubters will be disproved.
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The biggest problem with IRON MAN 2 is that it seemed more interested in promoting the Avengers brand and winking at the hardcores in the audience than in telling a satisfying story. This poster gives me no reason to think CAPTAIN AMERICA won't do more of that.
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What did he ever do to you? I've never seen anything to suggest BD as rotten or mean spirited... I hate people who come on here launching immature attacks against others based on nothing other than the fact that THEY DON'T LIKE SOME SUPERHERO OR SCIENCE FICTION STUFF. Chill the F out.
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Bullshit. AICN Used to actually break NEWS, when it was new. Not after every other site has already discussed it in length first.
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Among the Euro Weenies "...Eventually he got, as the Europeans always do, to the part about "Your country's never been invaded." ... "You don't know the horror, the suffering. You think war is..." I snapped. "A John Wayne movie," I said. "That's what you were going to say, wasn't it? We think war is a John Wayne movie. We think life is a John Wayne movie - with good guys and bad guys, as simple as that. Well, you know something, Mister Limey Poofter? You're right. And let me tell you who the bad guys are. They're us. WE BE BAD. "We're the baddest-assed sons of bitches that ever jogged in Reeboks. We're three-quarters grizzly bear and two-thirds car wreck and descended from a stock-market crash on our mother's side. You take your Germany, France, Spain, roll them all together and it wouldn't give us room to park our cars. We're the big boys, Jack, the original, giant, economy-sized, new and improved butt kickers of all time. When we snort coke in Houston, people lose their hats in the Cap d'Antibes. And we've got an American Express card credit limit higher than your piss-ant metric numbers go. "You say our country's never been invaded? You're right, little buddy. Because I'd like to see the needle-dicked foreigners who'd have the guts to try. We drink napalm to get out hearts started in the morning. A rape and a mugging is our way of saying 'Cheerio.' Hell can't hold our sock-hops. We walk taller, talk louder, spit further, fcuk longer, and buy more things than you know the names of. I'd rather be a junkie in New York than king, queen, and jack of all you Europeans. We eat little countries like this for breakfast and siht them out before lunch." Of course, the guy should have punched me. But this was Europe. He just smiled his shabby, superior European smile. God, don't these people have dentists?"
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"It probably gives you Rocketeer nightmares because your mother tried using a vacuum to abort you and instead, rocketed you out of her uterus." More like her anus.
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Did he not just point out the flaw in your mathematics and smugly walk away?
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a biopic movie me thinks? What say you aint it coolers?
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I certainly do. It's the opening at the opposite end of the digestive tract from the mouth, it's where shit comes out of and it's where you were born from, and also what you constantly talk out of. What's your point, or did you miss biology lessons in school? I bet you're dying to make a gay joke now aren't you. I'm not saying you're predictable but, well....
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but who knows, I thought the same thing about robert downey jr as Ironman.
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Multiple screen names for the same douche... sounds about right. Choppa, although he has never laid into me, I get the feeling he might be a tool also, yeah. Me, I'm not sure I've witnessed a more inept, uneducated, immature bunch of people than these two A-holes: Assimovlives Yourstepdaddy Nothing but venom and bile from these two. And whoa — look out! — there will be holy hell to pay if you do not agree with them.
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"Admiral................................ admiral...." Khan was quite taken aback there.
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Everything about this film feels right. I can't quite say the same about Thor, but I have confidence that Branaugh will pull it off.
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what you yanks crave to have as a true American hero... and he is... fictional Cap Am is pretty pitiful compared to this guy.... sure there are tons of Smedley biopic scripts doing the rounds... or I'd hope so... who will be lead? God Bless America... back then... certainly not now.
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1st off, you must not pay attention to what braindrain actually posts. but I wont go into that because I have come to accept braindrain for who and what he is... 2nd, of all the people I am singled out with assimovlives? I know I am a asshole, but my assholiness has only really been targeted towards braindrain (but like I said, I have stopped that) 3rd, I guess Im honored to be in the same league as assi... so thanks? 4th... what holy hell have I brought forth? Im the one usually being called an idiot (like you just did) for my opinion and tastes in movie 5th... my paranoia is acting up again. didnt "we" call a truce the other day?
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Feb. 4, 2011, 2:50 p.m. CST
why is that when I try to start being less personally involved with TBers
by yourSTEPDADDY
that they wanna start calling me out falsely? come on guys, I just wanna discuss movies/TV/this site ripping off other sites/boobies in the great words of someone... "cant we all just get along?" no? oh well, fuck you then
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Was a fucking cunt, but goddamn did he make me feel better about my life. Thanks dude! Wherever you are.
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Yet, Peter Parker is the soul of the Marvel universe. Nice poster and I am wondering if it is part of a larger set.
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plus- even though its indestructible metal, it can still be scratched and dinged. any metal will do that. diamonds get scratched etc.
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that a guy from a spoof movie (Not Another Teen Movie, which is actually one of my faves) would turn out to star be in a big summer blockbuster movie about an iconic hero? with that said, when is Anna Faris gonna be cast as Wonder Woman?
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Now the next test is that trailer. Finally see Cap move and talk and kick some nazzi ass. It won't suck! It won't! It won't suck!
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This is the first time since The Two Towers that I've been this excited about a movie poster. Lets hope the film lives up to it.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST
I like how they portraid Captain America in Civil War comic storyline
by Weapon M
I believe it was Brian Michael Bendis that wrote that story? The Civil War between the superheroes lead on one side by Iron-man and Mr. Fantastic and the other side by Captain America. From that story I got a better understanding of Captain America and who he is. He wasn't willing to compromise the ideals and the principles this country was founded on. He looked upon a modern world with the lens of a man that learned first hand the lessons of World War 2. He looked upon what was going on in the modern age and said it looked very familiar. The same mistakes and the same erosion of our liberties for safety would be the undoing of our country. He was a constitutionalist 100% and understood that the fabric of this country is in its liberties to all people never to be compromised in the face of danger. Every ounce of his being is dedicated to fighting to uphold the vision of the founding fathers of this country and what the American vision is suppose to be. BTW, he wasn't just a sickly guy that received super serum and became Captain America. Steve Rogers was one of the best soldiers around and was mentally a great leader if only for his weak physical stature. He had the spirit, the guts, morality and the mind of one of the great leaders this countries ever had, but he was feeble. The serum made him the perfect officer. I'm actually surprised there has never been a story where he'd be groomed be president of the USA. Maybe I'm missing something. (not talking about alternative universe).
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Chris Evans is no Willem DaFoe.
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I thought Matt Salinger was Captain America. Wh in the hell is Chris Evans?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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1 What and who is he...? I'm not following you 2 No, you went off on me and my personal life once in a particularly brutal way. It was related to the Facebook movie and what happened to my marriage (in part) as a result of Facebook. 3 Why is that an honor? It takes no particular skill or brain power to be a big mouthed hater 4 Just my recollection (don't recall details) 5 I recall no truce. Must be someone else. If you want to call a truce then I suppose you may not be as evil as I remember.
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not the pretty face!!!!
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Gotta admit, that looks badass and Evans looks great in that shot.
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look guys, no one's saying america was perfect then, or that there are not attrocious things in our history that we ought to be ashamed of. Of course there are. and we are right to be ashamed of those things. But having a moral compass doesn't mean you don't stumble off the path, it simply means that you have a a needle pointing you in the right direction- a set of ideals that you are constantly striving to reach. It is that sense of striving to become better than we are; striving to be able to live up to the notion of our nation being a "city of a hill, a beacon in the darkness." THAT is what we seem to have lost, and what Cappy represented- an ideal of what America COULD BE, if we kept our moral compass- kept pressing on toward the moral high ground.
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... There is no single definition for that term... I believe it literally means whatever each of us wants it to mean. If your idea of the American Dream is to make money... then you have the opportunity (whether legal or not) to do just that... If your American dream is to own a house... then you can reach for that... If your idea of the American Dream is to help the less fortunate... Then you can do that... Are there any guarantees you'll obtain your American Dream? No. The term "American Dream" is determined by the individual American... and just like individuals... The American Dream is not perfect and never will be, but that should not give us an excuse to not believe in it and aspire to achieve it.
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1. Im referring to braindrain. 2. I kinda remember that now. I wont apologize for that because shit like that happens in life. you must move on (or not marry women who are gonna cheat on you through facebook). I cant show sympathy for a man who loses a woman because 9 times outta 10, youre partially or wholly to be blamed for it. get over it, you have facebook. find a old high school sweet heart and poke her. 3. its an honor because in a sea of strangers, I stick out in your mind. maybe its the asshole in me, but I like my assholiness to be revered or at least acknowledged. if not, whats the point of being an asshole? 4. so, you cant recall how "bile" I am, but felt the need to call me bile. isnt that a bit bile of you? 5. eh, thought you were someone else who calls me the same kind of names. I guess Im more "uneducated" than I thought to the majority of people here. oh well PS: since Im so "bile" Ill continue my "bileness"... do you think your "wife" went to see the Social Network with that guy? how do you think she liked the movie? you think she sucked him off during it?
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He doesn't attack or insult. He just makes random, ridiculous, funny, contrarian, stupid posts.
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They did two things with this poster. 1) They got his stance straight from one of the covers of the comics. 2) The "Avenge" line is fantastic. It reminds me of a US Navy recruiting poster seen in 1942-1945 that said "AVENGE! 7 Dec." I absolutely in love this poster, and Captain America is one of the reasons I enlisted in the first place. Steve Rogers is a moral compass still, the majority of America just has forgotten about him. They will soon realize it once again.
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I'm loving the American history posts. Even the PJ O'Rourke post was great. Oh, and I can't wait for the movie either.
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stop giving attention (and loads of money) to attention whores such as Kim Kardashian, Snooki, etc... if possible, lets ship them and their reality shows to Iraq, now THAT WOULD BE COMPELLING TV PS: I love that Keepin Up with the Kardashian joke from 30 Rock last night
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if he is "harmless", then who is "harmful"? surely you have to have a rational list of those TBers on your iPhone PS: switch to Droid man, fuck Apple
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If you're not familiar with awesome Captain America stories check out The Ultimates. One of the best superhero series I've ever read. I wasn't much of a fan of Cap until I read that series.
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HOW DO YOU KNOW I KEEP NIXONESQUE LISTS?!?! GET OUTTA MY PHONE!!!
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I'll pretend it isn't there and let it impress me with it's "calm center in the middle of all hell breaking loose" vibe.
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looks like shit. it doesn't look "realistic" why the fuck would they put bright blue and white leather on a combat uniform with a big white BULLSEYE star in the middle of the chest. if they were going to go that route they should have just made the stars and stripes a patch on a dark leather combat rig + the shield. if they wanted to date the uniform I'd rather they actually have gone with 1940s sensibilities, which would be bright garish post art deco... you know stuff that his ORIGINAL COSTUME looked like??? this is fake historical which makes no sense logically for a combat uniform... and if they were going to go that fantastical route they should have just stuck with the original.
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What I meant is, he doesn't come into every talkback targeting one specific talkbacker to talk shit about (well, he didn't use to if he does now), and he didn't instigate fights by insulting someone or trolling in that manner. His way of trolling was more about posting a contrarian viewpoint, whether he believed in it or not. I thought it funny to see who would get riled up based on his opinion and start slinging shit, but honestly, I don't believe he ever started those fights. So that's what I mean by harmless. As for harmful, those are the talkbackers whose idea of trolling is just to insult, insult, insult and that's about it. Its never about the content of the story with those guys.
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I mean, if he's avenging America for the war effort, shouldn't he be in the Pacific theatre?
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Uhhhhh, not true. This site used to break news all the time. I don't know how long you've been coming here, but it was a truth back in the day. Sorry friend, but this idea of putting a "kibosh" on frustrated readers' complaints seems a bit misguided.
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I think almost ANYTHING is "quite a bit better than" the Fantastic Four movie.
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I think its very smart that Marvel has chosen to feature Chris Evans sans head gear. When I made CA back in 1991, Marvel wasn't flexible in allowing us to remove the cap. It was always a struggle to make it work and, clearly, we never did solve it. Albert Pyun
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Feb. 4, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST
I wish the teaser poster was in the style of an old US propaganda poster
by D.Vader
Or an old Newspaper headline about Cap. Seriously, why aren't we the ones in charge of these decisions?
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"... except the Dream."
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looks like I used to be one with my hatred for certain people. but now I hope I have reformed... PS: fuck _____. you know who you are
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...internationaly. If this movie fails in the US and A. ..eh well then patriotism left the building long time ago.
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Except the problem is, back then that might have been true, but no longer is, only half of your populace still *thinks* it's true. I am constantly confronted with Americans that still actually believe they are some lone bastion of freedom compared to the rest of the world, blissfully unaware that most of the civilized world has far surpassed them on that front, with better voting systems, better healthcare, better education, more personal freedoms, greater freedom of speech, etc. There will come a time when the one and only thing America is know for, is being full of guns and crazy religious people.
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That dude will always be the Human Torch to me. In a way, I guess he's too good for his own good. If he hadn't given such a memorable performance in the otherwise forgetable FF movies, it would be a lot easier to see him as Cap.
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Its too easy to say its biggest problem was that it seemed like a big setup for Avengers and was more concerned with that than the rest of the movie and yadda yadda yadda. I call bullshit. I found the Avengers stuff engaging and interesting. It was the rest that was boring and brought the movie down.
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Iron Man? Awesome, a great start! Increadible Hulk? Not the best, but not a total disaster. Thor? Looking good, talent involved hopefully it will be, i'm really looking forwards to it, but you never know until you see it. Even if it is truly awful beyond belief it won't have an effect on The Avengers. But... Captain America? - It all rests on this. People are gonna associate that the most with the Avengers being that they are hyping it as 'the first avenger' - Tat's a mistake IMO, as if it's received badly by association the Avengers will suffer before it's even out.
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it was from the top of the shoulders down. not that im against evans or anything, but theres something more striking about looking at it that way.
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the title bothers me..he's really the fifth or sixth avenger.I never bought into him being founding member status inplace of the hulk lol
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Dude. First - are you holding American industries that enjoy the tremendous freedoms (which Cap was the embodiment of) of the USA culpable for selling supplies to both sides of a conflict? A practice as old as time? Name me a country without citizens who have played both sides of a conflict? Secondly - are you really implying that Japan would roll over and play dead after Hiroshima? Do you think a single citizen not directly aware of that tragic necessity was allowed to hear about it? Some enemies roll over after a defeat - some do not. Would you rest the fate of your nation and additional tens of thousands of American soldiers lives on a ground invasion or would you waste the lives of your enemies citizens to save your own citizens' lives? Tough question with no easy answer you holier-than-thou douchebag. If you are posting from inside the US - you should be thankful that your parent/grandparents were not casualties of that potentially disastrous ground invasion of Japan. If you are posting from another country - please illuminate us regarding the superior moral position of your home country. And all of its free citizens who have never profited from tragedy or conflict. I thought so.
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I hate those attention (and sexual) whores and how much of a spotlight is put in their direction for being utterly useless members of society.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST
Ace of Wands- "I find it a little worrying that anyone would serve in the military because of a comic book character"
by D.Vader
Uhhh, why would that matter? Why would that worry you? What's the difference between being inspired to patriotic duty by a patriotic character (who happens to be in a comic book) or by a book, movie, or real-life person? It shouldn't worry ANYONE the reason why someone joins the military. Unless that person is a psychopath to begin with that likes causing pain. In which case, that person goes straight to Black Ops, and thank you.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST
Also- "how is Cap going to represent the values of deciet, illegal invasions, condonation of torture, removal of free speech and still come across as a hero."
by D.Vader
Uhhhh easy. HE WON'T. Because Cap doesn't stand for those things. He'll fight against it. That's why its interesting to have Cap in the modern era.
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Is it to make the film easier to sell overseas, or is it because it leads directly into "The Avengers" movie?
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Far, FAR better than II. And with a much lower budget. 'The Rocketeer' was a nearly perfect little movie. I have no problems with Joe.
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There has always been and always will be "true evil." <P> There has always been division in this country. Do you claim that we are more divided now than during the Civil War? <P> And this picture, or pose at least, is nothing new either. <P> http://www.toplessrobot.com/captain-america-lives.jpg
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Was provided to me on another message board. I have never read any Cap, so I don't know. I googled the quote at found a Wikiquote page for him. There's some great stuff there, a lot of it showing how he's not some jingoistic fool. He stands for what he believes in, not what the leaders of the US say: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Captain_America Looks like it says that particular quote is from Daredevil #233. I think I remember reading (from this message board) it involved the villain Nuke somehow, and Hell's Kitchen was a firestorm, like an explosion had ripped it apart. Fired everywhere, casualties. Cap was there helping out, commanding the Avengers. I think some General said something along the lines of "we can always count on you to be loyal," which then prompted the respected response above.
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... go back to what ever whole you crawled out of. Propaganda? Whatever asswipe, I come from a long line of veterans that served so pieces of shit like you could rant and rave. You may debase the politics behind the reasons we fight, but do not disparage the American Marine, Soldier, Sailor, or Airman you worthless turd. You should have been a blow job as the best part of you rolled down your mother's crack.
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Getting harder and harder to get the break when there are so many competing sites now. If you don't like it, don't visit it. You people bitching about how bad this sight is now are just laughable. DON'T LOG ON! It's that freakin' simple.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST
Hey Ace of Wands! Here's a scan of that Captain America quote
by D.Vader
http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2329076.html Great characterization here with what is essentially a cameo appearance in a Daredevil issue.
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Was a pretty good film I thought. It's not a classic amazing film but I don't think it got anything particularly wrong and is an entertaining bit of popcorn cinema. I'd be curious to see Norton's longer cut with allegedly more character, but it's a film I've watched a couple of times since seeing it at the cinema and continue to enjoy. To be honest I don't really expect comic book films to blow me away with their depth or drama, I watch them to be entertained and to see the adventure that as a kid I loved in comics. It's nice when they are a bit deeper than that but I watch them primarily to be entertained.
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this marketing campaign has to slow down and give me time to digest one piece at a time
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I think it's funny that among all the griping going on in this talkback, someone has posted claiming to be the director of the first CAPTAIN AMERICA movie. C'mon guys! If you really *are* Albert Pyun and not some fanboy pranking -- or hell, even if you are some fanboy pranking -- I've got a couple of questions: 1. First of all, what the fuck was up with that script? Dear Lord, I don't even know where to begin. Let's just take one instance: That whole bit with ditching Ned Beatty for the car. That was so horribly awkward and did it somehow make more sense on the page? 2. Why did the Red Skull not look like the Red Skull in the final act? Make-up budget? Did you guys spend too much on Ned Beatty? That whole final battle sequence needed to be as iconic and fantastic as possible, and as it stood, it came off like your average episode of THE SIX MILLION DOLLAR MAN -- i.e., chintzy and lackluster. The sad thing is that when I rented the movie way back when it first came out in the early 90s, I thought much of the first act -- and especially the prologue -- wasn't that badly executed. I was on board. And then the movie just fell apart. Turned into a low-budget foreign film. And let me just say that, seriously, Cap's mask was the LEAST of the problems. In fact, the costume was fairly successful in capturing the look of the character. You could have had J.D. Salinger's son have his mask off in the promotional images and film all-the-live-long-day, and it wouldn't have helped. I know this critique may come off as a little harsh, but I'm just one guy spouting off on a message board, and I'm sure you've got all that Lee Horsely Sword and Sorcerer money goes a long way to massage the ego.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 5:11 p.m. CST
I'm sure you've got all that Lee Horsely Sword and Sorcerer money goes a long way to massage the ego.
by Greggers
I should have probably phrased that as "massage the ego and temper any jabs from the peanut gallery."
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Feb. 4, 2011, 5:14 p.m. CST
Marvel: If you're worried about how this will sell overseas...
by ChickenStu
Then don't be. People in other countries DO read Captain America comics and are well aware of who he is. Plus, if pro-American movies are a turn off for international audiences, then why the hell was "Independence Day" such a hit? Drop this "First Avenger" bullshit. Cause it already looks like you expect this to fail.
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Err, Jurassic Park III actually cost $20 million more than Lost World to make. I do agree it's a fun little movie far better than II.
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Instead of sitting on a beach somewhere and letting the second unit crew handle the entire film, until he finally decided to jump in and film the San Diego stuff.
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If a bit more effort was put in, I reckond "TLW" could've been a sequel of "Empire Strikes Back" performances. If it had a director that cared, it could've been a classic. Spielberg's great and all, but when he's on autopilot, he's just as shit as any other shit director. JPIII was good, but it was too little, too late.
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Heheh...
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Feb. 4, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST
i hope iron man and tony stark arent all douchey when the avengers comes around
by stu_pickles
it's fine when he's alone in a movie but with a team i can see how too much could cause a problem. he probably wont be a major character in it anyway so..... in the end i guess i'm just a fairly pointless person
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Who has greater freedoms of speech than America? Denmark, where if you speak up against Islamo-oppression of women, you get get killed? Yea... that's enlightenment.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 5:33 p.m. CST
could cause a problem as in damper the entertainment potential for the viewer
by stu_pickles
not like cause a problem within the team as some sort of plot device. that's pretty much guaranteed to happen, i just hope they dont over do it. do i make sense? or do i remain pointless?
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I thought Lost World was pretty darn great (despite the gymnast part, but hey, I cheered liked everyone else the 1st time I saw it) my only complaint of that movie was that the dog got ate by the TRex... thats one thing I hate, dog violence or murder PS: FUCK YOU MARKIE MARK FOR FEAR!!!! PPS: FUCK YOU SKINHEADS FOR WHICHEVER BEST OF THE BEST!!!! PPPS: FUCK YOU MICHAEL VICK!!!!! PPPPS: FUCK YOU HILL HAVE EYES (REMAKE)!!!! is there anyone else I should say fuck you too? oh, one more PPPPPS: FUCK YOU WILL SMITH FOR KILLING SAM BY SUFFOCATION!!! Couldnt you just shot her instead?!
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Fucking bullshit. This is the one movie that ought to embrace America and liberty to the Goddamn hilt and not do a world apology tour for it. For fuck's sake there are countries stoning women to death right now but oh no... America's just bad now! What the Fuck ever.
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I'm an American, but my family was suffering in Europe during WWII and didn't immigrate until later. I get it that the Brits were the true heroes and that the Americans came in at the last minute to save everyone. I know Tolkien did not intend allegory in his work, but the eagles coming in and saving everyone at the end of RoTK, and then returning to their nests in the mountains to brag about how valiant they were... Yeah. That would be the closest analogy I can come up with. But I live in the U.S., and see on a daily basis how geographically isolated and culturally independent we are, and I understand the American attitudes towards things outside our huge borders. Yeah, we came in at the last minute. But remember, it was Europe's war. Europe's problem. The Americans didn't owe anything to Europe, not like Canada which still kept the monarchy. So if you want to spout off about the ridiculousness in Harry's perspective about WWII, go for it. But don't be a dick about it. Just because Europe got wrapped up in its own problems doesn't mean America was obligated to come rescue it. (and this is me speaking as a member of a European family that greatly appreciated America helping them out when times were tough)
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Some Captain America, he is in my top five fave super heroes and i am Canadian! :P Thor is number one.
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Everyone outside the US hates you. Bring on Captain Iraq. How would you feel?
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Simple but completely badass and totally appropriate. Like it a lot.
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I asked myself the same WTF questions after watching that dissaster of a film courtesy of pyun. Man did he drop the ball on that one. In other words, IT SUCKED DONKEY DICK!! Matt was just too dam fugly and not to mention that the costume had plastic ears?!!??
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I even have him tattooed on my left arm. That said, I refuse to give Marvel my money for allowing that dickclown Joe Johnston to fuck with arguably the most iconic character in Marveldom. His outfit looks like ass. If they give him the honest-to-God comic book duds for 'The Avengers' I'll pay to go see it. Fuck you, Joe Johnston. Fuck you in your stupid ass.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST
I repeat: There will be no mask for most of this movie.
by OutsideChance
The few shots we've seen of him in the winged headpiece are clearly from the USO tour scenes mentioned in an earlier interview and are a sop to the fanboys. The rest of the movie is going to Cap without a mask. This post just confirms it.
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Quit trying to be all tough, fanboy. You'll see it just like the rest of us.
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I didn't say I won't see it. I said I'm not giving them my money.
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...and we are so much better WITHOUT you.
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Well if Captain Iraq stood for liberty and justice I would think he was fine. We get it. You hate America and everyone who lives here, whether they be black, white, asian, latino, middle eastern, canadian, european...etc. "Oh what about native Americans?" you say. Well, if I had a time machine maybe I could do something about that. I don't. Deal with it.
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Thanks for that. That's one of the most cogent responses I've ever read on this site. I was coming here to say almost exactly the same thing. I understand that Harry is speaking from his own point of view, but America's compass hasn't tracked true for a very long time. And yes...this is the case for pretty much every nation except those comprised of aboriginal people groups. But having said that, I'm a Cap fan and respect the ideals that the character was framed to represent. I'm looking forward to seeing this. p.s. To get another take on both the character and the 'moral compass' that Harry speaks of, time would be well spent reading Robert Morales and Kyle Baker's Truth: Red, White and Black http://preview.tinyurl.com/le38y8
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I'm assuming you're some whiney English brat trolling for attention. Just remember if it weren't for the US backing your country up, you'd either wouldn't exist or you'd be speaking German. Your country asked US to join in. Don't forget that, you owe your ass to the HAS you little shit stain. So get down on your hands and knees and blow.
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So reactionary. I don't hate everyone in America. I just hate the fact that we don't stand for truth justice and the American way. It's a myth and the small Empire is falling. You Sir are a fool.
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You idiots do know that you're not in Iraq for 'truth' and 'justice'? Jesus Christ almighty (who doesn't exist) Captain America-The Fight for Oil in a Country we armed.
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I don't know why but something horrible in the back of my head keeps telling me this movie will suck. I really don't want it to suck. I love Cap and everything I've seen so far is pointing to this movie being awesome, but I still don't trust Joe Johnston 100%. His track record has been way too uneven. And I'm pretty sure the movie won't even touch successfully on all the symbolism Cap stands for. I just don't know yet. I need to see the movie so bad!
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with sci-fi channel level dream sequence involving talking raptors. You couldn't have done a poorer job by shitting straight into the camera
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Just like you don't have to believe in God to enjoy the ending of Raiders of the Lost Ark, you don't need to believe in America to enjoy this. For purposes of the film universe, America is what it was always meant to be. Just go with it, and accept how things are in Cap's universe.
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i hate it when people distract entire talkbacks from the subject and veer it into some estranged converstation that never leads anywhere and is done strictly for attention. you arent causing any of us americans to see the light and have some cultural epiphany. nor will we change your mind in this little forum. no one has ever said, "i was a complete dick until weinerpoop786 showed the error of my ways while talking about comic books." so why try? also, is it just me or is anyone else expecting the coolest scene in this movie to be right before that pic we see of steve rogers in his normal military fatigues all cut up revealing his USO costume under it? it will be kickass and the "i'm a fucking awesome war hero" moment.
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The Lost World's problem was the awful script full of giant plot holes and inconsistent characters. No director on earth could have made it a good movie without rewrites. The Crichton book is cool, however.
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about cutting everything we can cut and using that money to lead the world in innovation. Now is the time for you to fight for America or watch it die. Listen up! You have been forever at the mercy of the banks but you can fight back by being awesome. You can learn and grow smarter and push yourselves like superheroes. You can learn to eat clean and maintain a balanced bodyweight. Clean and jerk people! More fat burning and cardio in that one exercise than sprints. Workout first thing and get it out of the way then kick the fuck out of life and become one of the elite brain-trust that will put us on the map in the right way. Download tutorials and learn new skills and push yourselves in new directions. Like. Ya know? Fuck.
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That's either naive or hopelessly ignorant.
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I know Harry sux Albert Pyun's dong since Pyun came on this board, just because Harry has a nostalgic vibe towards The Sword and the Sorcerer, and because Pyun is a Gyen-u-wine director, but you're absolutely right. I saw it on VHS (yes, I'm that old--40) when it was first released--after being advertised in theaters that ultimately balked on showing it once the quality was apparent. From what I remember--Cap gets strapped to a rocket bound for the White House in Germany by the Skull. While in mid air cap redirects the missile from the roof of the White House all the way to Alaska. I don't know how this rocket had that much fuel to begin with. And weren't there kids playing on the White House lawn--at night--who happen to lock eyes with CA before he shifts it with his body weight? Anyway--cut to 1990 and he breaks out of this ice block (duh DUH duh DAHHHHH!!!) and runs out of the tent--no defrosting or anything... You know what, Albert Pyun? I love that you are so passionate about your C list movies. But that movie fucking blew. Don't piss about Marvel not letting your take off Cap's mask, cuz that was the LEAST of of your problems on that piece of shite.
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"Straptain America" is not your roommate's Captain America. (Hee-hee, see what I did there?) "Straptain America" is the story is about a hot-head who learns to think of something bigger than himself. Captain America knew how to do that before he even took the super-soldier serum. That's WHY he took the serum. This movie may rock, but it ain't your roommate's Captain America. It's Joe Johnson's "Captain You-should've-bought-tickets-to-the Rocketeer!-merica"
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Evans looks look a gay icon, not the butch brute that is Captain America
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Feb. 4, 2011, 7:20 p.m. CST
What was RIGHT about Pyun's CAPTAIN AMERICA is what's WRONG with America.
by Greggers
Sorry, I'm not actually going to talk about what's wrong with America, I just thought that made for a punchy subject line. But I am going to talk about what's right with Pyun's CAPTAIN AMERICA. I feel bad for slagging him in my earlier post (you can see me walking back from it towards the end) because I have to believe that what we saw is not the movie that Albert Pyun really wanted to make. I mean...how could it be? So what I thought was good: 1. Matt Salinger. Sure, it's *totally bizarre* to have the son of one of America's most legendarily anti-establishment authors play a comic book hero -- a comic book hero often associated with a more 2-dimensional patriotism. (It's like "Superman" being played by Michel Foucault's brother.) But Salinger was suitably blonde and earnest. If the movie had used him a little differently, who knows: he could have pulled a Christopher Reeve. 2. The costume. As I said before, it seemed pretty spot on. It was actually pretty cool to see such a faithful rendition. To tell you the truth, I didn't even notice the rubber ears. 3. Even though the Red Skull's origin deviated from the comics, I thought it worked pretty well. In fact, where the hell was that production value in the rest of the movie?? 4. If I recall correctly, the Red Skull, in his initial appearance early in the movie, looked right and was suitably sinister. I think that confrontation is where the movie began to seriously go off the rails, with Cap going out like a total little bitch. I have to admit, I'm working from memory here. I haven't seen the whole movie in a long time, aside from glimses on cable over the years. Much of it I've tried to block out. I have a feeling that if I watched it now, my feelings would be no more charitable. I had totally forgotten about the scene with the White House lawn, booboosdaddy, and when I read your desciption, it brought it all back and...brrrrrr.
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Obviously embracing the camp. Whereas Lost World was unintentionally campy. Look, the only real Jurassic Park movie is the first one.
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I finally agree with every single thing you said, Harry. Not that it matters, of course. Even when I was a kid there was quite a rush of patriotism for the USA during the bicentennial. Coming after the turbulent 60's, especially '68, Americans found a new love for their country. There was a different kind of patriotism during the 80's Reagan years, but we were patriotic nonetheless. Now things are just plain ugly. Most young people I meet now are all sorts of messed up, and I find myself wondering where the good folks are. They gotta be out there somewhere. And I hope that they are raising their kids by at least a few of the golden rules. There is just a general disrespect that has invaded our society. You find a great deal of it here in the AICN Talkback. I come across it constantly on Xbox Live (I'm a Call Of Duty nut). It can be extremely violent as well, as in Arizona recently. So what is it? We have to treat each other properly before we can be considered a patriotic American society, right? I can't wait for "Captain America". Besides being a great action flick, I hope that Joe Johnston and Company give us a heaping helping of what it means to be an American. Even if it's just a bunch of goofy patriotic propaganda. We need it. We need it just like we needed "Rocky IV" or "Red Dawn". I'm certain things will eventually change for the better. Right now, we just gotta get through the rough.
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I've always loved Captain America and I'm extremely excited about this movie.
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A WWII based film leads to misinformed cherry picking of facts to a) Denigrate the US involvement in WWII b) Prove that American won the war. Who could have seen that coming? As for the poster, it's pretty good but looks like the poster for the darker second film in a trilogy. I'd liked to have seen something a little more 'pulpy' myself.
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Why is it so dark? The Empire cover was way better than this crapfest.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST
It's official: That psycho rat guy & datastream are dicks.
by The_Dark_Shite
You know what gets on my nerves?<p> Any time there's a movie set in WW2, even a fun superhero movie, you can guarantee some cunt will come on to a TB with shit like psycho rat..."More of us died that you waah waah, blah fucking blah"..like it's a badge of honour. <p> I was just gonna say how it's fucking stupid & as bad as when certain Americans come out with their "You'd be speaking German now" cliche, despite the fact that the Brits had never given up & never would have. Would we have won? Maybe not. We'll never know. But it's a shitty thing to say to your ally.So, I scrolled down to post that & saw datascream had said that particular gem, showing he's every bit as fucking igorant as rat boy. <p> HERE'S THE DEAL: We were on the SAME fucking side. The RIGHT side. WE WON & at great cost. YOU weren't there. You're lucky some brave fuckers came before you & did it for you. <p> Grow the fuck up & enjoy a silly superhero movie, you stupid little fucknuts.
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he wears a mask ppl
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I wouldn't call over three and a half years fighting in WWII "coming in at the last minute". Plus, we ended the frickin' war. When we got in we LED the war effort. Of course, we had to due to the other Allies' war weary forces, but when we committed we led the way. OUR general led the Allied Expeditionary Forces. We also had the toughest son-of-a-bitch-greatest general of them all in General George S. Patton. And, after the war, we rebuilt half of Europe and further democratized it and Japan. The Marshall Plan financed the rebuilding of Europe. And what did we ask for in return? I'm at a loss. THAT'S "moral compass". No one denigrated the character of other countries, so please lay off of the good ol' U.S. of A.!
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A cock all of us can get behind.
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I love you, my Mexican brother.
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Captain America doesn't want people to know he's Steve Rogers because he wants the symbol of Captain America to be bigger than any single man. Joe Johnson's version has his mask off in front of people in almost all of the promotional stills so far. I haven't heard about a single element of this that is correct to the character that Harry's roommate and his Navy buddies loved.
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Yeah !!, can't wait til July!
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Fighting amongst ourselves is a good thing in most cases. Can you imagine if one party had total domination over the entire government, in every branch and at every level? It's the infighting and arguments, the differences of opinion which keep this country going. Our leaders have never been of one mind. Jefferson and Madison disagreed with Adams and Hamilton. Washington leaned with Adams and Hamilton. Jefferson practically considered his election to the Presidency as a Second American Revolution. People used to duel over grievances originating in the public arena. People used to engage in physical fights in Congress. World War II may have been the last time we SEEMED to be of one mind, one direction, one goal, but prior to that, it wasn't the case. Remember the Civil War?
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my 10 year old brain goes cool posters, cool pics so far, interesting costume, my 32 year old brain says Joe Johnston, oh fuck
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trainwreck! Jesus people, one poster of Captain America (looking well) and it's let's bash America time once again. I would be angry, save that mack and jacks said a lot of what I wanted to. Kudos. The fact is we were reluctant until the Japanese blundered by attacking Pearl Harbor in `41. So, while it wasn't "the last minute", it was later than expected, no doubt. WWII itself was a result of collective denial of hard of what was happening to Germany (Chistopher Reeves excellent toast in Remains of the Day speech springs readily to mind to sum my attitude here.) Once we were in however, we were in for good (With a "Germany First" policy no less). While I can certainly smile at Harry's rose colored glasses over the spirit of America (and in particular the American soldier, whom in many ways Cap is an ideal) but we'd be foolish not to note the game of realpolitik of affairs. Our moral compass is not broken. Our interests have merely changed and Cap has been muddled in various translations by generations of creators who do not find common cause with those interests. This has been true since the 60's and hence hasn't made me a fan of that period of his continuity, but then that's irrellevant here. Even the Waid/Brubaker years and the Ultimates rekindled my interest in the character, something about the way Steve Rogers is portrayed veers between reluctant regret and self-parody. Ultimately, we've been too wrapped up in history revisionism of every morally repugnant stripe--from the warmed over sophomoric Marxism of psycho_rat to the inglorious PTSD cum pacifism of Smeadley Butler--and less in the potential for this film. So I say, bring on WWII Cap in all his charging strong glory. Bring on the Red Scull and whoever else, so we can springboard into a successful Avenger franchise and I can forget that too many people have been reading Howard Zinn, instead of actual history.
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"Surrender? SURRENDER? You think this letter on my head stands for France?" - Captain America <br><br>Ultimates #12
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Awesome fucking poster!
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Ditto, my probably American (but it doesn't matter where, I love everyone) hermano. Can't wait for the teaser!
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If I like this poster...does it mean that I'm gay? What if I have anal sex with men...?
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YOUR VITRIOL IS APPARENT. YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A TROLL ON THESE BOARDS, FILLED WITH HATE DUE TO THE FACT THAT YOU WERE AN UNWANTED PREGNANCY, YOU PIECE OF SHIT. IF THERE IS A GOD YOU WILL DIE A SLOW DEATH, HOPEFULLY SOON SO WE CAN ALL BE RELIEVED OF YOUR INSOLENCE. F-U-C-K YOU, YOU WHINEY BITCH.
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I'm too lazy to read the comments above... Is that a holster? I think it would make sense for him to carry a sidearm, but I can understand the reasons why he doesn't (kinda detracts from the superhero holier-than-thou image).
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Captain America will be successful. Thor will not. I have no faith in Kenneth Branwhetever. And nothing that I've seen in the previews make me want to see Thor. I watched a video clip somewhere of one of Thors naked female Asgardians coming to Earth and running into a redneck in the woods. If that clip was a real scene from the movie then I GUARANTEE the movie with SUCK my Harry Knowles! (BTW...Harry...Please call me. Dad wants us to help him with something.) Your loving brother, Larry.
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Yes. He is.
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thats kinda funny hearing someone calling me a whiney bitch when they themselves were whining about their failed marriage in a Social Network TB... isnt there a dating site you can go to to grieve? PS: there is no God, so I shall keep living. and hopefully I get to "poke" the misses PPS: do you have to pay alimony? it would be nice to have some extra cash when we go on to Cheesecake Factory PPPS: Im sorry to be so rude, honestly. but ugh, get over it. its 2011, stop living in the past PPPPS: hey braindrain! what you up to?
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A very reliable source told me that Captain America was gay in the comics and that his partner's name was Bucky. Is there any truth to this? Also, while we're on the topic of sex, does Captain America's jizz have super soldier formula in it? In other words, if Bucky "accidentally" swallowed some of the Captain's ejaculate, could Bucky also become a Super Soldier? If I was Nick Fury, I would make Captain America make sperm donations many times a day and then serve his warm jizz to my SHIELD soldiers on top of their pancakes. Has that story ever been told in the comics?
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instead of spending time on the internet, complaining about hate filled trolls like me and such, shouldnt you have paid more attention to your wife? ya know, instead of talking about movies, ya couldve been taking her out on the town and stuff. but maybe Im wrong. I dunno
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I bet the makers of Super Soldier Serum gave it a really distinctive odor. That way, when a Super Soldier quietly masturbated in his bunk, everyone would still be able to smell it and he would get embarassed. No one likes to be caught masturbating. If Super Soldiers don't masturbate, they become even more aggressive.
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LOL. You're so clever. Seriously though, go upstairs and tell your mom to stop texting me. I fucked her in the ass the other night just like she wanted, and she paid me to cum on her ugly fat face but now she keeps fucking annoying me.
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I love me some angry talkbacks but... I love funny talkbacks more. Make jokes, not war.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 9:54 p.m. CST
jesus the lack of understanding of how the world works on here is astounding
by macheesmo3
.... We need the draft so bad. Mandatory military service might straighten some of you weenies out.... Though I doubt it in some cases. Of course you sell arms to both sides! Of course you try to profiteer as much as possible (especially when your own country is in the midst of a horrendous economic depression DUHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!). We dropped the bomb on Japan, twice! Sooo? Whats your point? They fucked with the wrong country and they paid for it. The casualties of a ful lfledged invasion of Japan was estimated to exceed one million Japanese at a minimum not to mentino hundreds of thousands of Americans.... If the damned military leadership hadn't been such fanatics we wouldn't have needed to drop the 2nd bomb.... But they were! They paid for it. Of course we armed Iraq! They were in a vicious long battle with Iran at the time and we damn sure weren't going to support them! I think this notion that the USA has some sort of responsibility to the world is naieve as hell! ( and was started by the idiotic baby boomers during the 60's. Countries are responsible for the protection of their citizens, and in the acquisition of resources for the country (be it oil, steel, tariffs...etc) IMO, we have been FAR TOO NICE in the world. We forgive far too much foreign debt, we are far too weak on the taxation of imported goods.(especially when other countries tax the hell out of us). For some damn reason we have become a pandering nation. Pandering for the love of everybody for some damn reason. Eff that I don't want them to love us, I want them to fear us.
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you ever have a really bad day or something really shitty happens to you? sure, we all have. but AICN of all websites is not the place to go to share your innermost problems (unless you have back problems). so, find a website that is understanding of your feelings, and not a website where the site owner talks about masturbating into a sock... "the More You Know"
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so, you can make jokes about anal sex with my mother, but I cant comment on why your marriage failed? and youre calling me "bile"? its ok, I will your insults because I know youre going through much more pain than I am (if you werent, you wouldnt still be upset about something that happened months ago). seriously though, its not my fault it ended. it is possibly all your fault, but its ok. marriages end and people move on. just find the next love of your life and make sure you dont make the same mistakes twice PS: next time my mom texts you, wish her a happy birthday for me. and give her a big hug (or facial, your choice). let her help you heal
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and is proof of what actual wit is. Your not. But you might be gay and repressed, and that could be the problem here in how you express yourself
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why would you want me to shut the fuck up if you already got me "blocked"? and I thought we were buddies, Ryan. PS: what did you think of the Office last night? I found it weird that the camera crew was following Michael but he didnt ask for their cells
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You make a lot of sense. I'm being serious. One thing I would say though is, be careful with the "fear us" thing - all it takes is one nuke in the wrong hands and it's game over. Yeah. Even for the mighty U.S. of A.
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When I say "fear us" I really mean "respect us". I don't mean it in the way the Koreans fear the Chinese or something
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Feb. 4, 2011, 10:29 p.m. CST
"Countries are responsible for the protection of their citizens, and in the acquisition of resources for the country"
by Smack_Teddy
AND arming Iraq abroad, because we sure as hell wouldnt support Iran while were making it all about Foreign poilcty as much as national policy. <p>My ultimate Captain America incarnation is alot like Harry describes him, plus not a simpleton.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 10:30 p.m. CST
Super Soldier Serum increases testicle quality AND quantity
by Larry Knowles
Testes. Testes. One, Two...Three? Did you read the comic that explored the unwanted side effects of the Super Soldier Serum on Captain America? It was an excellent character study of a man's love/hate relationship with his testicles. During the war, Captain America is bothered by an unpleasant feeling in his groin. He later discovers that he has developed not only a Third Testicle, but a Fourth and a Fifth as well.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 10:35 p.m. CST
This is my weapon. This is my gun! This is for shooting. This is for fun!
by Larry Knowles
Do you think we'll see Captain America go to boot camp? If so, I hope it will be like Full Metal Jacket.
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I made your mom swallow my Super Soldier Syrum this morning. Some shot up her nostril. Say hello to your mutha for me.
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In a war of brains you are without a weapon. I can dismantle you line by line. You dumb fuck.
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If you knew that you could become a super soldier by drinking the Captain's Jizz, would you give him a blowjob? I probably would give him a handjob and make him cum into a martini glass. Jizz tastes better from a chilled martini glass (especially if it's someone elses).
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I cracked myself up. Good night ladies and gentlemen!
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you can dismantle me? why are you soooo interested in me aka a troll? did you have this type of obsession with the person you shouldve been obsessing over? this is the last thing I will say to you since like Ive been telling others, I will not be personally interested in TBers lives and what not this is a movie site, not a site where you complain of a failed marriage. so, unless you wanna discuss topics at hand (movies/TV/entertainment/boobies), then I dont care seriously, move on
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how can you say such nasty things about the NBC lineup? you have no love for Parks and Rec/Community/30 Rock? is there a comedy that you do enjoy?
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and now adorable
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mainly due to the tiny feuds that fill it up. i'm looking at you stepdaddy, braindrain, astronut, and other people that i dont want to scroll up for.
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Im workin on it... but to get things back on subject, you think Captain America will decapitate any villains with his shield?
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Feb. 4, 2011, 11:29 p.m. CST
only off screen. i'm wondering if he's gonna whip out his .45 and blast some bitches
by stu_pickles
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dress up like captain america and destroy furniture/coffee tables/dental work/windows by flinging their homemade shields "just like cap" to impress the ladies.
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Feb. 4, 2011, 11:37 p.m. CST
some badass dude is gonna be ballsy enough to use a manhole cover
by stu_pickles
and kill a guy. that's how i wanna go. crushed by a manhole cover painted like cap's sheild
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it's like the phantom menace syndrome, new tech in a old setting......i'm still NOT feeling Evans either (no smartasses please). i was watching the Reb Brown "Captain A" and he's still pretty cool, big dude, baddass cycle!! this could've been so baddass but.........
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hell Captain America for July 4th! fuck it, Captain America for Christmas (because we all know Christmas is for America)!
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maybe just the design? but i really like how they went for a quilted/padded look instead of armor. he doesnt look bulletproof or anything like that. except the shield of course and i liked chris evans quite a bit in sunshine (probably overused as an example) and cellular. also not all that bad in street kings
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who wasn't right?
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It amazed me that idiot jerkoffs, namely neocons, refused to see the 9/11 connection to The Dark Knight in general and the teaser poster in particular. I have no idea if the Captain America film will evoke 9/11 themes, but this poster sure as fuck does!
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Feb. 4, 2011, 11:50 p.m. CST
but am more than relieved about chris evans, could've been thousands of times worse
by stu_pickles
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H8 the costume btw, hope it gets better by time he thaws out this century .
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problem is that it'd be hard to do an origin story since most superheroes start at a young age. but who needs origins anyway. just throw us into the action and have the opening scene be the Hamm Man pounding some guy with his powers.
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Bale promises to leave after the next one so just slide Hamm in there. He was always more Bruce Wayne than Clark Kent anyway and he's only three years older than Bale.
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is another episode of SNL or a sequel of A-Team. although, he does have a chin for a live-action Space Ghost movie... hmmmm?
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that is true, but I dont want a Bathamm (trademark?)... I want Spaaaaaaaaaace Ghooooooost PS: minus the two kids
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Datascream you need to get your facts straight about a few things. Britain was not saved by the USA at all WW2, by the time Germany declared war on Amercia the British had won the Battle of Britain and had survived the Blitz so the was no threat of a German invasion. America entering the war helped the Allies set their sites on liberating mainland Europe. So the British were not saved by the US. Also America gained more than any other nation from WW2 and it really acted as the catalyst to turn her into the superpower she became. However that does not take anything away from the extremly brave servicemen who left their homeland to come and fight against true forces of evil. I am British and. I think sometimes it is a little frustrating to see how America seems to think she won the war on her own, she was definitely the deciding factor but let's not pretend it was her alone. I like to think Cap A represents the fighting spirit of all the Allied soldiers who put their lives on the line for the noble cause of freedom and ridding the world of truly murderous and hateful regimes.
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<p> http://tinyurl.com/6ln3w8 <p> If it was, I would see it a million times.
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... being "locked in" with all those old-timers. Thor is my favorite, but Cap is growing on me, almost looking forward to this one more. They both seem to have a kinda 80's sci-fi/adventure, Spielbergian, movie feel to them. Everything looking good to me!
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"Im the Jugernaut Bitch!" any day,
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We couldn't even tell him not to quit his day job, 'cause he was a shit footballer too. You'd have to say "Quit acting, then quit your day job". <p> If he hadn't have been mates with Guy Ritchie, he'd be earning a living touring British coastal towns & playing the drums with his face.
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I expected the same old superhero pose and "i'm coming at you!' expression that every other superhero movie is marketed as. But this looks badass!
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I cant wait to hear Sarah Palin say something stupid about this move allready.
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Is this going to be a hardcore Cap film or a remake of that vomit worthy 80's film with the red skull. Lets hope the love angle is played down and its old school Cap at his best, taking the Nazi's down left right and centre. When I heard it was Evans dong the role I had a bad feeling down my spine, he's ok but a bit weak on the lead man stakes, he plays the joker well but as seen in Push he struggles to keep the audience on his side. However when we saw he had beefed up he started to make me think he can be cap but he's going to have to be in 'up and at em soldier' hard voiced mode, no wishy washy good with the ladies feminine side. If he manages that then we could have a bloody good Cap film coming. Here's hoping they update the uniform for the Avengers a bit. Maybe the more scaly suit seen in the ultimates.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 3:39 a.m. CST
There is no way to see Capt America the same way after MARSHALL LAW
by AsimovLives
There is no way to see Capt America the same way after reading the MARSHALL LAW comics. And not just he main character of LAW himself, who is partically a parody of Capt. America, but there is actually a direct parody of Capt in an issue set in a mental hospital. Marshall Law truly pointed out the fascist and gay underlines of Capt. America. It was not the only character who was demolishe,d of cours,e they also did a good job on Spider-Man as well. But spidey was always a decent guy, and my love for that character goes a long way since my early chidlhood. Capt. America, i never liked hi, and i'm not going to start to not after Marhsall Law completly demolished and show the character for what he is, underneath. Sorry.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 3:40 a.m. CST
I have no probem with the casting of Capt America character
by AsimovLives
I saw SUNSHINE, i know that Chris Evans can act. People shouldn't judge an actor's abilities from the FANTASTIC FOUR movies, you know? I don't think i need to explain why.
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Cap is great. He's the Sentinel of Liberty. 'Nuff said.
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that sounds absolutely nothing like the Captain America i have always known, it couldnt sound furthur apart tbh. Captain America is the guy who is naturally disgusted by any form of facism, be itt the Germans, or his own country. In fact he fights against what he sees as KIND OF a form of it going on or emerging in Çivil War. So now im not going to read ML, as it sounds like a shitty intepretation of what Captain America really stands for. Jack Bauer will always be the guy from Season 2 and 5 to me, never for example the tool used in that piece of shit 6th Season.
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Who is going to go see this? Not talking about people on this board. Talking about people in the US and around the world. Who was this made for? Young adults and teens have no idea who the hell this character even is. Pretend for a second you just now heard the name "Captain America". Wow. Really? Sounds as goofy as you can get. I can't imagine anyone buying tickets for this thing.
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He would've bought perfect sensibilities to it. His talent for quirky characters would have jibed well with Jeff Goldblum, and he could've elevated Roland Tembo to a Lando Calrissian level of badass. Plus, he would've done some REAL WACKY SHIT with the dinosaurs. Sigh. That movie could've been fucking perfect.
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That's the problem with you guys in USA, you only se your side of things and you can't evne dream what your things migth look like from the perspective of other countries around the globe. The jokes about Captain America's gayness and fascism is not just new stuff, it has going on FOR DECADES already. Imagine if there had been a comic called CAPTAIN COMMUNISM or CAPTAIN USSR and the character was presented as the portait of all the absolute positive qualities there could ever be in mankind. How fun would you had it that? You have to remind you that the USA do not have the monopoly of the concept of freedom, democracy and decency. Inn fac,t you have been constantly criticised for your own concepts of such things EVEN BY YOUR WESTERN DEMOCRATIC PEERS. That's the jingoism that Captain America represents. And gayness. Frankly, Captain America is a comic that you should had never exported. MARSHALL LAW got Captain America dead right, it put text what was subtext.
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Irvin Kershner was a competent and imaginative jorneyman. He was not the filmic genious you geeks make him out to be jsut because you think he was the sole responsible for the quality of EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. This deification of Irvin Kershner is doing more harm then good to the memory of the old man. Just because you guys are angry about Lucvas because he didn't took HIS OWN CREATED Star Wars franchise to the precise direction you fanboys wanted him to do, doesn't mean that you have to deitify somebody else to be presented as contrast. Lucas didn't raped your childhood, he just didn't made the movie you wanted him to make, and he took his own created Star Wars creation to directions you didn't wanted. Deal with it.
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I'm starting to get sick of it again for the same reason. Fucking fanboys.
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I don't know why it has to be an either/or proposition. Are there elements of American history that are shameful? Yes. Disappointing? Yes. Less than heroic? Yes. All of the above. Show me any meaningful human endeavor where that isn't true. Human beings generally aren't saints. They have flaws, they give in to temptations, they have lots to overcome. That is the human story, everywhere. You may be able to find a nation or two where that isn't true, but it won't be easy. There aren't many stories of perfection on planet Earth. ESPECIALLY where great power is involved. But is there also a LOT that was, and IS, good about America? Yeah. A LOT. Not going to try to list it here, to defend that proposition - waste of time in a Captain America talkback. For all of America's flaws, there is also a LOT to be proud of, a lot of unique and difficult challenges that have been wrestled with (how many major nations are as ethnically and religiously heterogeneous as this country?), and an awful lot of good that has come from all that. A LOT. A lot to be legitimately proud of, to draw inspiration from, to celebrate. In the past, AND now. Is it necessary, each and every time we have something that taps into a feeling of pride, or patriotism, to run through the full litany of every flaw? Do we always have to qualify and apologize and add that "yeah, but...", every single time? I just don't see that. I don't think that, every now and again, just celebrating the positive implies an ignorance of, or an excusing of, the flaws or missteps. And I also don't see why understanding that some outside the US don't like us, or are (yes) jealous or insecure of the US, or some have arguably legitimate grievances with us means we are supposed to wholly embrace those views, or wring our hands in guilt, 24/7. An upbeat, positive, yeah - patriotic - Captain America? Nothing wrong with that. IMHO.
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You bitch about Star Wars fans yet you are always whining about Star Trek. You are just mad that they didn't make a Star Trek movie you wanted. Fanboy didn't get his way. Worst yet is the fact that the movie made money. Lots of it. It's here to stay. Deal with it. hehehehe.
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When THEIR guy is conducting the wars and spying on our citizens.
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I just dont know what to say, i think thats complete shit. But...here's some things you should know about me<p>1) I was born and grew up in Somerset, Glastonbury, UK<p>2) I have never taken a one sided 'jingoistic'or ultra patriotic view of what we the west do and our ideology and foreign policy - in fact quite the opposite - and had you known me several years ago in person you would know i have no problem speaking my mind about how we or America come across to the rest of the world, and how i firmly believe we are in large part to blame for that and need to seriously address this matter.<p>3) While i have never travelled much or visited other parts of the globe past what you could call a 'tourist'run, i have never actually had a girlfirend or friend with benefits who is 'white', or comes from the 'west'<p>4) I have been dragged from a London protest at the invasion of Iraq for yelling at batonned shielded policemen to stop intentionally crushing people towards the back of the line - y'know the less abled people - until they move along or disband from intimidation, and told "This is what we do to heroes!" before being pinned up against a wall and told to quit it. I have taken a load of shit off moronic backwards shits and stupid backwards family members back down here in the country who have got the impression i have been involved in some kind of only-several-notches-down-from-Caprica-like-near-terrorist cell/philosophy/agenda, simply because the people i chose to be friends with and spend my time with in London promoted a culture or sociability people would mark distinctly 'çounter', and ended up living with a couple, 1/2 of which came from Yemen, and her family have strong oil ties to Western invasion & policy and EXTREMELY complex mixed feelings about this herself, as well as where that regions culture-ideology would place her as a Woman, despite holding a status & wealth she could only hope to match by living here with a husband whos ass i can tell you she does not kiss on any basis...oh i don't want to start pulling out the violins, i think ive said enough... <p> 4)"Imagine if there had been a comic called CAPTAIN COMMUNISM or CAPTAIN USSR and the character was presented as the portait of all the absolute positive qualities there could ever be in mankind. How fun would you had it that?" <p> Um, alot. Im not sure if thats supposed to prove your point or not, but believe it or not i do not think communism in and of itself as a concept is evil, like anything in life, its so much more complex than that.<p> But most importantly Asimov please stop it with that derogitory use of thew word and concept 'gay', that really is uncalled for, 100x more than any JJ production you might have a problem with, and is really starting to piss me off with its ignorant passive-aggressive offensive nature to be honest
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Hy Eisman taught an awesome lettering class, and in it you learn how important it becomes in design. Whoever is doing the poster design for this movie is a hack plain and simple, and I say that from a place where I am assured that I could easily do better. The lettering on everything that comes out of this movie is simply atrocious, it's ugly and tacky and lays over the design like an obtrusive turd. It's an okay design, the web address is also terrible, the fact that it's Cap oriented is it's only saving grace for me.
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Who says I was just referring to Empire? I am aware of other stuff Kershner directed you know, like The Flim Flam Man, Return Of A Man Called Horse and The Eyes Of Laura Mars. As well as Never Say Never Again and Robocop 2 (which I like in a strange way, even though it's overtly violent). I've seen a lot of Kershner's work and did a project on his career in Film School. As for labelling me a geek, you're kind of on the wrong website if you want to avoid people like that. Anyway, I shouldn't be explaining myself to a worthless piece of shit like you, so fuck off.
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I don0't whine about Star Trek. I like Star Trek, why should i whine about it? What i dislike is that retard piece of shit movie that Jar Jar Abrams made called POS TREK. Which is not Star Trek by any stretch of the imagination, only morons and ignorant would mistake it for. So, i constantly mock a shitty movie that was beloved brainlessly by a majority? Call it the yang to the yin of shit. Natures tends to ballance, and i'm doing just that. As i'm just one man, it will take a while until the ballance is reached. And what was the reason of your whinning of your post, exactly?
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Feb. 5, 2011, 9:17 a.m. CST
Actually Asimovlives, you're a hypocrite, and that's worse than a twat...
by ChickenStu
So you don't want people to whine about Star Wars, yet you reserve the right to slate the last Star Trek movie? The thing I see here is, you don't like Star Trek 11 for the SAME reason that you criticise Star Wars fans for having to criticise the prequels. You utter, utter prick. Fuck off.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 9:18 a.m. CST
And as long as this Captain America is not impressed with us killing & invading Iraq
by Smack_Teddy
the way we are, he can dress in the flag all he likes and far as im concerened. Captain America should be a guy who wakes up, is sick with the 'progress' made, and proverbially tasars everyones balls, hearts & brains into remembering what American values were actually all about past a apparant cyncial front for greedy people, and how they should really take action & be vigilant while setting an example.
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in respect of all the things people are throwing here at Captain America to behonest. Cap always stood firmly apart from Superman in this respect for me.
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I'm portuguse, which means my country is one of the allies that invaded Iraq, together with your country UK and the USA. And we have been complicit in the smuggling of illegaly detained war prisioners. It doesn't make me any pround of my country. You know what upsets me about Captain america? Ut's fucking flagging patriotism imagery. It seems that the americans didn't learned enough well the lesson about the fucking evils of patriotism from WWII. Well, we in europe had our coutries ruined, directly or indirectly from that war, which cooled once and for all the patriotic fever and fervor for all times. Nowdays, the patriots are always fascists. There's more positive values to hold today then patriotic bulslhit. You cna like and try to make your country better without the patriotic shit infecting your ideals. As for your uneasiness withmy use of the word gay, would it work for you if i replaced it with faggot? Besides, Captain America's gayness is beyond aparent, to the pouint of obviousness. It's now an unavoidable character trait. If you decide to see that as a slur ot as a positive thing that would be your call. Don't shoot the mensenger for the message. Frankly i think it's cool for the gays to have their own superhero, and Captain America is ripping for it. But really, could it be that you are failing to notice the constant and overwhelming homoeroticism of today's comic and franchise shows and movies? Are you telling me you cannot see the homoerotization of such movies as Jar Jar Abrams'S GIRLY TREK? It's all there, man. Next you will try to convince me that TOP GUN is not homoerotic as well.
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Then don't go to watch it, or post in here about it - if it's patriotism offends you. That's your right. I'm a Brit, I'll be seeing it. CAUSE IT'S JUST A MOVIE. Start thinking like that, you'll have a better time.
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who ever heard of such a thing? but seriously how would that effect the entertainment value of a film? unless homophobia was at play here. duh duh duuuunnn Homophobia: the leading cause of integrity decay also, you should rebut against chickenstu. he may have gotten you on the whole hypocrite thing. rebut? homoerotic.....
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youve just convinced me your an arrogant narrow minded moron. I think were done here. Your deluded man. You have no prove of any of this shit your spouting. Theres a 1000 other people who have great taste in cinema like you, but there not dumb moronic ignorant homphobe dicks. Choke on one, were done.
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Sorry to break it to you Asimovlives, but it's broken out, it's reached a wider audience. And more importantly it's changed with the times - and frankly it needed to. Say goodbye to it dude, it's not just for geeks anymore.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 9:45 a.m. CST
"There's more positive values to hold today then patriotic bulslhit"
by Smack_Teddy
none of which your ignorance and homophobia are good examples of.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST
It makes me laugh that Asimovlives is critcising this movie for being patriotic...
by ChickenStu
What does he expect from a fuckin' CAPTAIN AMERICA movie? lol.
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Top Gun is homoerotic. The Fast and the Furious is homoerotic. Cap is as homoerotic as the next guy or girl who wants to fuck him. Your fucked in the head.
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and on that note.... call of duty blops here i come
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IMHO, if you're losing that many men, you're doing it wrong. And, given the fact that my mother's side of my family lived through it I can tell you that the number is bogus. There weren't umpteen million men on the front lines. A) a huge number of of men were killed when the Germans invaded BEFORE the Russians fought back. B) Even more were sent to Siberia by Stalin's government early on in the period for nothing more than trumped up charges such as having pre-revolutionary (worthless) paper money in your possession or using a higher wattage light bulb that the government allowed. Does that sound familiar? Think it can't happen here? That's what pre-revolutionary Russians thought. Think it can't happen again? That's what the French thought after WWI.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 10:21 a.m. CST
Cap's take on the last 60 years of American history will be fascinating.
by Mr Nicholas
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I am not sure if you are making an economic argument - "A movie called CAPTAIN AMERICA that presents America in a basically positive, admiring way won't bring in big bucks worldwide" - or a more philosophical argument - "A movie called CAPTAIN AMERICA that presents America in a basically positve, admiring way shouldn't be made because most of the world rightfully thinks of America as a force for oppression, greed, evil, racism (or whatever)". One doesn't preclude the other, I realize, but they are, I think, not entirely overlapping arguments. We could debate how the US is perceived worldwide, we could debate if the perception is justified, and we could debate how both of those impact the potential box office of a CAPTAIN AMERICA movie. To be frank, I am not looking to have the first argument, the economic argument. Maybe so, maybe a "patriotic American movie" would be box office poison worldwide. But frankly, I would sooner see them NOT make the movie, if that is their concern, than have them make it with the kind of whiney, apologize-for-America, oh woe is me I stand for the American dream and look at what we have become kind of Cap that would be more palatable worldwide (maybe). But hey, thats me - a LOT of Marvel writers have certainly taken that approach. And, no surprise, I don't agree with the second premise. For what its worth, I don't agree with your assessment of the UK either, if I understand you - yes, the UK has had its dark chapters over time, just as the USA has, just as EVERY major power in the history of the WORLD has - but when I look at the balance sheet I don't come out with a net negative. We just see it differently, when it comes to America, and the UK. And at the risk of over-reaching here...why SHOULD an American care if someone in France or Germany or Syria or Venezuela or anywhere else "doesn't like" CAPTAIN AMERICA because they have a beef with America? Should they care what I (or any other American) thinks of their culture, their icons, their stories, their movies, etc? Every time someone in any of those countries goes to make a movie, should they stop and say - "Wait, what would someone from in Boston think of this? Cleveland? Des Moines?"... Or is this just a one way street, where the American movie industry should show exquisite sensitivity to the views of everyone BUT Americans? Again - not talking economics here (if so, I suspect you could make a pretty penny with a movie called "Captain America - Tool of the International Zionist Conspiracy", but I wouldn;t recommend they make THAT!). Just not sure why a "positive" Captain America movie shouldn't be made because it doesn't square with the world view of someone, somewhere (including, yes, some Americans). I say ...there is a reason we have chocolate AND vanilla. There are plenty of movies casting American businessmen as corrupt forces of evil, the American government as the same, the American military as torturers and worse...I think there should be room for at least ONE unashamedly "pro-American" movie. And if CAPTAIN AMERICA can't take that approach, I don't know what movie COULD. IMHO. Appreciate - honestly - your measured, well-reasoned feedback. We just see it differently!
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"fucking evils of patriotism from WWII" Yeah, that Nazi patriotism sure was evil Yeah, that American patriotism sure was evil-- wait a sec, what? No, that kind of patriotism helped defeat THE EVIL NAZIS. Stop being such an idiot here.
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"Frankly i think it's cool for the gays to have their own superhero, and Captain America is ripping for it. " If you really thought it was cool, then you wouldn't keep using it in a derogatory manner as a way to continually insult Captain America. You lose this round.
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You need to be obtuse to the whole history of the 20th century to see the evils and wrongs that patriotism have done to the world, even from the democracies. You really need to be deliberatly blinded to it. It's putting the rosy glasses and ignoring the wrongs. I'm sorry, but ignorance was the last thing you had accused me from on this subject. Unfortunatly, it looks the other way around. As for this subject, i'll say no more. i will just end on this note: if people in USa can't understand why a character called Captain AMERICA as the absolute simbol of pure good will look wrong and jingoistic for all pepple around the world, then you already have the answer to why your country is so constantly criticised and despised, even among your western allies. No, it's not envy, nothing so stupidly childish like that (12 countries in the world are rated with better living conditions and human developement then the USA). It's the hubris, that's the real answer. Better accept it. Captain America, really! The hubris!
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Feb. 5, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST
d.vader, and rounds are lot lost because a player wants sit o
by AsimovLives
Only kindergarden children think like that. Rounds, really? Pfff! Welcome back, by the way. Good to see you escaped the banhammer for good.
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God bless America.
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I am from Spain and I love Cap too. Go get them, Cap!
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Feb. 5, 2011, 11:01 a.m. CST
Let me stop you right there, Asi, before I even get to your 2nd sentence
by D.Vader
"You need to be obtuse to the whole history of the 20th century to see the evils and wrongs that patriotism have done to the world, even from the democracies." Don't even pretend to ignore what I said in my last post and pretend what you wrote above is what you intended from the beginning. HERE is what you said originally in your argument for why Captain America sucks: "You know what upsets me about Captain america? Ut's fucking flagging patriotism imagery. It seems that the americans didn't learned enough well the lesson about the fucking evils of patriotism from WWII. " Here was my response: "Yeah, that Nazi patriotism sure was evil Yeah, that American patriotism sure was evil-- wait a sec, what? No, that kind of patriotism helped defeat THE EVIL NAZIS." So let me stop you, bc what you want to imply is that A). The Nazis were patriotic in WWII. B) Therefore patriotism is bad. C) Captain America is patriotic and therefore bad But you COMPLETELY ignore the fact that our patriotism is what helped fuel the fight for GOOD. But you want to dismiss that all in favor of your silly attack on a comic book character who was created in the MIDDLE OF A WAR over 60 years ago. So back to your first paragraph above, I'm going to stop you before you continue because there is no way you can argue that a patriotic character from WWII who was symbolic of GOOD is "one of the evils and wrongs" from the 20th century.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST
dandelion said "nigger kick" and no one has a problem with that?
by yourSTEPDADDY
this is why America fuckin sucks
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Feb. 5, 2011, 11:07 a.m. CST
And let's not forget your insult that Capt. America is "GAY"
by D.Vader
And therefore bad.
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He can't help being an asshole. We're not going to change him. Come on guys, let's carry on discussing the poster. Hopefully, he'll take the hint and just fuck off.
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...will be going out into the world in the near future. We haven't had enough image problems in the past decade? We need this guy running around? Imagine our reaction to a Captain China, or Captain Iran...fighting for truth, shariah, and Iranian way! It's fucking ridiculous. On the bright side, the Abu Ghraib Prison + Captain America mashups should be a blast!
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Feb. 5, 2011, 11:11 a.m. CST
I HOPE THEY MAKE A LIVE WALLPAPER OUTTA THAT POSTER
by BringingSexyBack
I want to show my patriotism on my phone.
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If American comics are overseas, chances are, Captain America has been in the consciousness of other countries for a long time. This won't be a "surprise". Captain China, however, is a total surprise. And would be cheesy. However, calling a propaganda character from over 60 years ago cheesy? Its just a product of the time. It makes sense back then. But for today? No. That's why the WWII setting is so vital.
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You have a point, but it's important to note that many of the Egyptians protesting today, who are hopefully on the verge of toppling Mubarak, say America is their inspiration. Yes, I know our government has propped up their dictator for 30 years. It demonstrates how America's role in the world is complicated and schizophrenic. Our governmental and business practices have, for the most part, gone contrary to our ideals. Yet those ideals, and our culture, penetrate hearts and minds the world over and infuse them with so much inspiration. Captain America is that cultural icon that embodies those ideals. We can embrace that great part of America while still condemning the bad.
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That would kick ass.
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That's how I saw it. Can't wait to see Ip Man 2.
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like what if whatever country just said fuck it and bombed us? or what if an American saw and went crazy and did something globally terrible? all Im saying is the world wont end with a whimper or a bang... it will end with whatever sound Caps shield makes when it is flung through the air LETS GO ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE! PS: Caps shield would be a perfect weapon to happen for the zombie apocalypse
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BRING ON THE ZOMBIEPOCALPYPSE!
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Seriously? Who the hell dropped the ball on that one? It's fricking Captain AMERICA and you don't open it on (arguably) the most patriotic holiday we have?
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I don't think you're wrong, but I think you're putting a lot more analysis into this silly character than he deserves. I'm sure quite a few people around the world will see this flick and maybe even enjoy it, but most will see the poster or whatever and roll their eyes, snicker...the more humorless may be angry about it for ten minutes or half an hour. I grew up overseas, and I'm really glad this flick is coming out now and not back then. My friends would have busted on me mercilessly...and they would have been right.
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Or maybe the ignorant asshole is you. How you like it? Easier to just dismiss then try to understand, is it not? Fool!
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Feb. 5, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST
Vader, I don't think people abroad know Captain America...
by FlickaPoo
...when I was growing up kids knew Superman, Batman and Spider Man...a little Hulk. Japanese stuff was a lot more popular. I haven't been back in a while, but I'd be shocked if Captain America had suddenly become known and popular in the past decade.
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Jesus loves America. If the 4th of July was the most patriotic holiday, Jesus would have been born on the 4th of July.
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Why to i let myself be dragged to this? Oh well. Obviously, i'm going to not follow my later coment and said that i had nothing more to say about this subject. but i'm going to. You say that it was americna patriotism that saved the world from the nazis? Actually, it was something MUCH BETTER: selflessness for the sake of other people. A much higher ideal. you know who were the people who had patriotic motivations and fought the nazis due to that? EVERY EUROPEAN COUNTRY WHICH HAD BEEN OCCUPIED. and msot notoriously ansd specially of them all, the soviet russians. Germany won the war mostly due to the efforts of the russian and soviet people. americna like to believe the fantasy that hey alone won the war, but it was not like that at all. WWII's real decisive battles that fucked up German for good wa snot fought in the west but in the russian front. It was the russians who finally stop for good and then turned back the nazi avalanche, at the expenses of an unimaginable high number of deaths. If ther eis one people who actually deserved to be called the one who won the war, it's the russians, not the americans. You know what was the western campaign fought by the russians, the british and their allies? It was the subplot of the war, the real plot happened in the east. The war in the west was the diversion, it was the back door distraction that facilitated the final russian push to berlin. don't forget, who entered in Berlin and terminated the nazi regime was the russians. It migth hurt the egos of americans to accept that, but that's how it was. Americans would do better then not to mistake what they did in the Pacific Theater of WWII, which was indeed mostly an american show, with what happened in Europe. Two entire different things. and after WWII, yes, the world learned an ahrsh lesson about patriotism and the evils it created. Today, patriotism is the province of neo-nazi organizations like skinheads and fuck fascist fucks. The devastations in Europe reminded people all too well what patriotism really means. And Japan as well. You guys in USA had it good, you didn't had your own country invaded, destroyed, your civilian population systematically empovirished beyond imagination, persecuted, tortured and executed. After such an epsuidoe like tha,t yuou cna bet your ass that it completly destroys all the romantisicm about patriotism. all patriotic movements that happeend after WWII always had a dark monstrous fascist taint to it. No exceptions. Because that's what it was. You guys in USA still have this rosy tinted visions of patriotist as the basis of all thast is good and noble because you didn't had civilians pass through the horrors of war. It's not for nothign that the americans who started to criticise that notion of rosy silyl patriotism in the americna culture were WWII veterans who actually saw for themselves the horrors of war, people like Kurk Vunnegut, James Jones and Joseph Heller among others. In USA you still ahve the erroneous and naive vision of patriotism that once used to be in Europe in the 19th century, and that shit turned out so fine, didn't it? You guys are 100 years behind. Captain America? Change it's name, because today the name is tainted, and no bitching and screaming about it will wash it away. and you ned to really be obtuse to not understand why. Sorry if i say something that is not popular and agreable with you. But only hypocrites and conmen tell you the things you want to hear. The real friends tell you the harsh things you might not like to hear but have to be said. I'm the friend here. Believe it.
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By choice, not because i don't have more to say.
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I succesfully pointed out the flaws in your argument, and for that you're calling me an ignorant asshole? Is that how you react whenever you're called out for being wrong? I can imagine, in that case, that a lot of people in your life get called an ignorant asshole. Bet you're a joy to live with. Just take your ritalin and go back to bed.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST
flickapoo, hi man, how have you been? Long time no see you
by AsimovLives
How's your wife's wine selling business going? Prosperous, i hope. You have drank any more of the ol' portuguese wine? Speaking of wines, i heard that chilean wine is quite good. Can you verify?
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Because a Captain America isn't, right? Double standards at work, laddies and gentleman. In anybody come out with a Captain Portugal, obviously it would be used for the porposes of comedy. Any Captain Country is cheesy by nature, and creepy if taken seriously. It works like that for every country. America is no exception.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyHSjv9gxlE
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Feb. 5, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST
By the way, the guy who does the punching above is Stephen Fry...
by AsimovLives
... who's gay and is all kinds of cool and awesome. Very nice, educated, talented, smart and funny chap too. The guy who's doing the singin is, of course, Hugh Laurie, Doctor House himself. Stephen Fry is the cool gay. Sir Ian McKellen is the cool gay. Jodie Foster is the cool gay. Captain America is the gay uncool.
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I've been well, how about you? Yeah, I haven't been around a lot...I kinda hate the new TB format, and every thread over 100 posts takes forever to load for some reason. Wine sales are great, up 10% over last year. She's had very good luck with a new line of Madeiras, especially around the holidays. I've know I've had some very good (and inexpensive) Chilean wines, but can't remember any of the details. I'm terrible at that stuff.
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Just wondering if it suppose to be like the bat nipples.
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...and Eagle Scouts everywhere die a little inside...their childhoods raped yet again.
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...I think I'm going to be saying that a lot.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST
Harry stop bothering theses old folks with your nerd shit
by ratpack223
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Good to know the business is going well. Good job. Madeira is always cool to go with the holydays sweets. Funny enough, we in Portugal have another drink that's more popular then Madeira for the holydays, and it's called Moscatel. In english you call it Muscat. There's basically there's two type of Moscatel in here, the Moscatel do Douro and Moscatel de Setúbal. Moscatel do Douro comes form the same reason that produces the Oporto Wine. personally, i'm more familiar with the Moscatel de Setúbal because i live near where it's produced. 15-20 minutes by car and i'm there. Moscatel is a sweet wine, good to go with sweets, cakes and pastry. It's a good digestif beverage, excelent for parties and socialization. Some might think even too sweet, if they are used to the usual table wine. Recently, it has emerged a new type of Moscatel de Setúbal called Moscatel Roxo, which translated would mean Purple Moscatel. The drinkis still the same colouration of the average moscatel, but it's much, much better tasty. It's also more expensive, 3 times more then the usual moscatel. You should ask your wife is she knows about the two portuguese moscatel wines i told above. Conside this a lead.
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Fake abs in armours is actually older the feudalism. You shoudl check out the ancient armours from ancient greece and rome, many times they had abs forms to them. The idea behind it, i think, it was to make you look more awesome.
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I get the AVENGERS tie in, and realize the full title makes reference to "FIRST AVENGER", but is it clear WHAT Cap is avenging in this movie? The death of Bucky, or...?
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Feb. 5, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST
WE SHOULD HAVE AN AMERICA DAY THAT THE WHOLE WORLD CAN CELEBRATE
by BringingSexyBack
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What are they avenging and revenging? Never understood the logic of that title. Was it just pulled out because it sounded cool?
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"Because a Captain America isn't, right? Double standards at work, laddies and gentleman. " Did you not read what I wrote? No, once again you cherry-pick and ignore the rest of my post. Either that or your reading comprehension is slipping. You want a better example? How about Uncle Same. Uncle Same is olllllllllld. He didn't just sprout up over night. Neither did Captain America. Now, if China came up with their own version of Uncle Same and started printing him on their posters and whatnot, yeah it'd be weird. Now, if that figure had been there for 60 years, 150 years? No biggie.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST
Asi- still have nothing to say about your ridiculous insult that Capt. America is gay?
by D.Vader
Yeah go figure.
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As you well said it, americans can't expect to say "but this is not the way actual America is seen, but as it used to be" argument and expect it to be accepted without question. No, icons change with times. What once was seen as the simbol of purity is now seen as the simbol of corruption and chauvinism. Americans can't expect to sell that argument and get away with it. America today does not stand for liberty and freedom today. It doesn't. Not even to it's allies, who have constantly been treated by the USA as the kids who get picked by the big bully. No, americans can't expect that your side of idealism flies across the seas and be seen exactly through your eyes and acepted unconditionally. You can't. It wont happen, no matter how much americans migth argue otherwise. There was a time, back in the early 20th century, and after WWII, at the time of the big emigration movements, when the country of USA was seen as the land of oportunity, to find freedom where they couldn't find back home, to find work and food for their children and money in their pockets, perhaps to prosper. Those days are over. Long gone. Today, America is not seen as the land of freedom and oportunity. And there's nothing americans can do about it. Or rather, there was something you guys could had done about it before, if you had elected your officials better. But that was decades ago, now it's too late. Sorry. This is the harsh true that a friend must tell. Anybody who will tell you that the spirit of America is still fine and dandy and a beacon of freedom to the world are pulling a con of you. They are lying. A big shameless lie. That America does not excist anymore to the eyes of the world. Mostly, America today is the place where the movies and discartable pop music cames from. and an enourmous economic crisis that putting millions into poverty and financial unstablity. Americans better really understand how your country is seen outside your own bothers. Ignore it at your own peril. Actually, you once did ignored that at your own peril. And then 9/11 happened. That is the wake up call that from which you should never get to roll over and go sleep ever again. The world is not made of foreign monsters, but the USA is not the shiny armour knight either. There are no countries as beacons of liberty and hope anymore. America is not that. There are no countries which are simbols anymore. Amrica is not that. All there is now is just countries. America is just that. As it should. The lie should had been stoped a long time ago. And if you are not wise, America will be the simbol and stand for corruption, moral hypocrisy and bullish oporturnism. Too many people already see America as that, even among the allies. Americans cannot afford to be naive anymore.
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"You say that it was americna patriotism that saved the world from the nazis" Never said that. Never implied it. I said our patriotism is what fueled a lot of our soldiers to fight. Read man, READ. Practice your english and read these posts through.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 2:28 p.m. CST
bringingsexyback, there is one celebration day that you could have...
by AsimovLives
... that would be celebrated everywhere in the world: the day George W. Bush dies. The party bonfires would be to big, they would be seen from space.
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Asi, is not American so I dont understand why you would debate with him about American politics/views/stance in WW2. people outside of America dont have the same views as Americans. meaning, they can see our through bullshit than we can now, if he WAS American, your need to debate with him would be more reasonable you have to face it, a lot of people from other countries dont like America. they usually have a better understanding of our history than we do ourselves. i mean, we Americans are making our terrible history more pleasant for future generations ex. in the 2nd grade I was told by American teachers Columbus discovered America. by the 4th grade, shit got changed in the school system/curriculum another ex is changing the N word in Huckleberry Finn in short, you cant win a debate/argument against him because his views wont change. nor should they change. america is fucked up, ya just gotta accept it
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"you know who were the people who had patriotic motivations and fought the nazis due to that? EVERY EUROPEAN COUNTRY WHICH HAD BEEN OCCUPIED." Hooray! You proved my point! Yay patriotism! Having benefits!
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Feb. 5, 2011, 2:50 p.m. CST
"Today, America is not seen as the land of freedom and oportunity. "
by D.Vader
Yeah, tell that to everyone crossing the border.
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"Asi, is not American so I dont understand why you would debate with him about American politics/views/stance in WW2. " That's the thing- I'm NOT. I never said one word about American politics/views/stance in WWII. Asi brought that up out of some misguided attempt to correct every American on this board, or in an arrogant intent to educate me on WWII though I had said nothing on the matter aside from the small topic of patriotism. That's the thing: Asi implies patriotism is evil, was evil in WWII, and we haven't learned from that. I pointed out that patriotism is not inherently evil, that it can fuel some good (the numbers of people who signed up to fight). That's all I ever argued. But for some reason Asi wants to go into a lecture about how the Russians had more casualties and how America is viewed outside of our own borders and blah blah blah blah blah. I've got no problem with how others view America (other than the fact that we need to improve our image). I'm not a flag-waving "patriot" the way tea-baggers claim to be. I'm not here championing our way of life or our values or anything like that. I'm not even trying to change Asi's viewpoint. I'm only pointing out flaws in his arguments. "another ex is changing the N word in Huckleberry Finn " Yeaaaah that pisses me off too.
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I did say something along those lines: "No, that kind of patriotism helped defeat THE EVIL NAZIS." I followed it up with this: "our patriotism is what helped fuel the fight for GOOD." I completely forgot about the first statement because I followed it up with the second, which I thought was obviously a clarification that I was speaking about how patriotism drives people to fight, which in WWII was a good thing with good results. Ah well. I retract my statement about "never implied that."
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EPIC
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anything that needs in "ism" is bad... at least in my eyes (racism, sexism, agism, jism, etc)... LETS BAN -ISMS!
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What about LESBIAN-ISM!
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Why the fuck shouldn't a foreign discuss americans politics? Why the fuck shouldn't? Who says there is a limitation at borders for matters of politcis retardinw ahteve country? What stops you an american to discuss the political matters OF ANY COUNTRY? What righ do you have to presume such a thing. What right? WHAT RIGHT? You have no right whatsoever. None at all! Your own desinterest about foreing affairs is your own. Don't put it out to others and claim it as how things should. You're wrong, you are so absolutly wrong! Eveybody has the right to discuss the politics of EVERY AND ANY COUNTRY THERE IS IN THIS WORLD, regardless of from where you came. Where did you get this silly notion, man?
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Good Lord...
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You don't get it, do you? why do people cross the border to your country? Is it because they think they will find the land of honey and milk? No, they are escaping extreme misery. You think they wouldn't rather stay in their own country if things were so desperate? Think again. JKeep on beliving the depasé notion that your country is still a beacon of freedom and liberty and happiness. Tell that to the iraqis and everybody who had a child killed. Tell that to them, i dare you. You are a brigh fine guy, d.vader, and i have always and always will respect you for it, but somethings you don't think things through. There is a blind rational spot in you, and it seems this subject is that. You are not really thinking this thing through. You are not listening. Sorry if the real world contradicts your patriotic idealisms, but that's life.
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I truly hate it. its great to see/imagine, but that just means your penis is gonna be handled by yourself. I rather have a straight woman doing something sexy than having two sexy women doing something that I can never be apart of PS: from my experience, there are NEVER TWO SEXY LESBIANS (unless its porn). one is guaranteed to look masculine, perhaps even more masculine than yourself. I know it is like that from where Im from... fuckin butches with their dreadlocks and stocky build and ability to play basketball better than I PPS: I kinda find Rachel Maddow sexy though
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I know I may not be the most articulate person here, but I was defending you seeing as you can see through the American bullshit than say the average American can but if you wanna say what you say, then I say, no you cant talk about my father's country! another word out of you and we're gonna make those manowars extinct! take that!
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Feb. 5, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST
Patriotism also lead the nazis to fight and conquer others
by AsimovLives
A few decades before, it was what caused WWI. Great shit, patriotism is. Great shit! Patriotism is fine and dandy until people start to decide that part of land that's in some other country belongs to their country and it's their patriotic duty to liberate it. Patriotism is also fine and dandy until you start to equate your own country as a paradong of absolute vurtues of good and decency at the exclusions of all others. Yeah, great shit that patriotism shit is. Fuck, if history can't make people learn about this, what the hell is can? Those who cannot learn from history are condempt to repeat it. And they never learn, ever! Fuck's sakes! This is not the time of enlightment, this is the time of dogmatism bullshitting, of shoving the head in the sand and pretend nothing bad exists, specially at your own home. Crapsack world indeed!
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Just stop it man. You're contradicting yourself all over the place. These are your words: "Today, America is not seen as the land of freedom and oportunity." Then you say the reasons we still have people crossing the border (and I'm talking South of the Border) is because: "they are escaping extreme misery." Right. Exactly. They're escaping misery. What kind of misery? Poverty. Persecution. They come to escape that and they hope to find opportunity. They know there is work here, work that pays well. And they find it. That's why our hispanic population is exploding. So give me a break. "You are a brigh fine guy, asimovlives, but somethings you don't think things through." You are not really thinking this thing through.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 3:41 p.m. CST
"There is a blind rational spot in you, and it seems this subject is that."
by D.Vader
That's true about you, Asi. Because it seems you can't help yourself from making incorrect assumptions, from believing your viewpoint is the only correct one, and from contradicting your own statements.
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That's EXACTLY what I was saying, numbskull. "Patriotism is fine and dandy until..." Exactly. Until. There ARE good things that come from patriotism, and that's ALL I was arguing from the start (and acknowledging the bad that comes from patriotism too). Its the same thing with religion. It can cause, and HAS caused, a shitload of problems and strife for the past two thousand years and beyond. But there are good things about it too. I would never be so naive and ignorant to make a blanket statement that religion is inherently bad and evil, and I wouldn't say the same thing about patriotism because it just isn't true. Thanks for finally agreeing with me.
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Heheh, okay that was funny.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST
d.vader, you think it's needed patriotism to have fight the nazi menace?
by AsimovLives
How about such things as COMMON SENSE AND BASIC DECENCY? How about fighting the nazis because they invaded your own land and they were cruel bastards that robbed you of your liberty and decency? How about fighting for your prople, which, might come as a suprise to you, does not exactly equates to your country? Example? The bielorussians and the ukranians fought the nazis to free their own people. Their country was called UNITED SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLIC,. which is not the same as Blarus or Ukranie. Those don't suffice? You know, there were people who went to fight the nazis not out of patriotic fervour because their countries were not in jeoparty of invasion, but because they felt it was their duty as believers in democracy to help their fellow man fight the fascist menace abord, to help foreigners who spoke a different language and had different costumes then them. People like the american and canadian voluntieers who enlisted in the english and french army. Where they spured by patriotism? No, by common decency. patriotism is all all the bullshit idealisms, it's very good at self-propaganda, adn always ready to steal the goodness and thunder of all other virtues. Patriotism is an virus that onyl brings misery, repression and destruction. By now patriotism makes as much sens eas feudalism, and should had been as equally eradicated. It's a cancer from the past that should be freed from makind. Patriotism should make company with to Dodo and be in the same place of things that no longer exist in this world. Many ideologic bulslhit of the past, like feudalism and absolute monarchy have ended in our western world, it's about patriotism should make company to such obsolete useless ideologic cancers.
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Lesbianism is not bad... or female bisexualism. But though that might be chauvinism. Ouch!
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its the equivalent of watching your friend play video games. it looks fun and you wanna join in on the fun, but then you realize your friend wont let you play but if push comes to shove, I will watch the shit outta some live lesbian action... i think thats the only time i tip strippers without a lapdance being involved fuuuck, all this lesbian talk makes me wanna find a cheap strip club in LA... anyone know of any?
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Just stop man, you're making it worse. I never said patriotism was needed to fight the Nazi menace. You need to stop assuming and stop putting words in my mouth. Stop assuming I'm implying that patriotism and ONLY patriotism could and did stop the Nazis. Patriotism is one of the things that inspired people to fight. Common decency, morals, values- all those inspire people to fight too. Patriotism is NOT the only factor in this, and I never implied as such. But to play Devil's Advocate, common sense and basic decency, yeah some would say those are American (not exclusively so) values that would make some proud to be American and sign up to fight. So there. *drops mic*
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...is poorer than America has nothing to do with American patriotism or nationalism. I agree with Asi's main argument that Captain Country is a ridiculous idea, and that the type of patriotism Americans tend to parade is usually seen as naive, adolescent, and sometimes dangerous in other countries. I've noticed that people from other places tend to be fiercely loyal to local symbols or products, but not so much to their government/military etc... An Italian will be passionate about the bread from his region, but won't give a shit what you say about the prime minister. In that sense, I'd much rather see a Captain Philly Cheese-steak than a Captain America.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST
"...but won't give a shit what you say about the prime minister."
by D.Vader
Yeah I'm pretty sure there are many here who don't give a shit what anyone says about the President. Also Flicka, I hope you're not confused about how Mexico got brought into the equation. It has nothing to do with patriotism, nor did I imply as such. Again, only pointing out flaws in Asi's argument. If America is NOT still looked at as a place of liberty and opportunity, then we wouldn't have so many people try to immigrate or cross the border every year. You know that to be true. It doesn't matter if the reason Mexicans come here is because we just happen to be close. Its because we are a *better* place. They know it, you know it, we all know it. If the reverse were true, we wouldn't have the immigration problem we have today. So yes, I agree. It has nothing to do with American patriotism or nationalism, but I'm sure Asi erroneously believes I said that somewhere in this argument.
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that shit does not deserve the "best cheesesteak" title... wtfuckers, I had better cheesesteaks at my old local Chinese carryout place
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...I was just getting back to the basics. That, and I wanted to type the words "Captain Philly Cheese-steak". You know how it is, one person zeros in on one metaphor or poorly chosen example in the other person's argument, the other person strikes back, and before you know it we're arguing skinhead, ultra-nationalistic Mexican Nazis...not that there's anything wrong with that. In fact, never mind...that sounds like fun!
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Wait, did you just call us all a bunch of skinhead, ultra-nationalistic Mexican Nazis?!? This aggression will not stand, man.
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and if by any chance it means Patriots man then FUUUUUUUUUCK NOOOOO... fuck those cheaters and the cheating hole they came outta but this is AICN, so clearly you cant be discussing sports
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Feb. 5, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST
D...OK, but I get to be the ultra-Mexicanhead skinnazi nationalist...
by FlickaPoo
...I called it first!
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and man... that city looks shitty... its like downtown is only one street? and theres like dumps or some smelly shit on both sides of the highway or whatever when you enter the city? Im sorry if youre from there (or to anyone else) but I thought Baltimore was the worst city ever... I was dead wrong
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..there won't be any soap-dodging Islamist nutjobs in there watching with me. So there's another plus. Hope there's security checks into the cinema. Just in case.
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Some of what has been written in this talkback makes the baby jesus want to cry. What pisses the rest of the world about the USA? Short answer a lot, the long answer would require several global history, sociological and economics lessons. Yet it would be wasted on some of the idiots here. Suffice to say US foreign policy over the years has pissed off a lot of people who see America as nothing more than a bully boy. For some vis-a-vis this talkback it's the hypocritical and self centred nature of the patriotic jingoism. Being patriotic isn't a bad thing, but when you talk like it's only your country that has a monopoly on all that is good and just... well it pisses off people. With whole "moral compass" thing? Everyone in every country believes that their country had better morals et al in the past. But that isn't necessarily true. A lot of crime, racism etc wasn't reported, it was either just accepted or went unreported. There is no such thing in a countries past as a golden age of morality. To those that say " well why come to America if it isn't such a great country?" That's an easy one; those dollar dollar bills. There's nothing wrong with loving your country, just don't act like its shit don't stink and realise that there's a pretty big rest of the fucking world that won't always agree with what you say and do. Not to call the film Captain America in some territories is nothing more than a financial based decision. It may not be right to do so, but those Hollywood suits want to make as much money as possible, so will do whatever it takes to get people into the theatres across the world.
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...is demonstrating his fundamentally myopic worldview while bashing other people for being narrowminded. <p> Patriotism is not the same as nationalism. A patriot is someone who is proud of his/her country because of its ideals and/or accomplishments and strives to make the country live up to them. A nationalist is someone with deluded, mystical ideas of blood and earth and how one's nation is the embodiment of some sort of biological determinism, open only to those of the right heritage. A patriot can see flaws in his country, whereas a nationalist sees no inherent flaws in his nation which aren't the fault of some "other" or foreign element. <p> The United States is a country based on ideals rather than geography and biology. I remember having online arguments with some Serbs and Croats back in the late 1990s where they basically said "blood is everything" and that since all Americans are "mongrels" they have no higher cause to fight for. Theirs was the perfect example of what nationalism can lead to. In their minds, blood and earth was justification enough to commit virtually any crime as long as it was in the service of a people bonded by ethnicity. In their minds, political notions of democracy, freedom and equality between all human beings were nebulous bullshit and not worth fighting for. <p> When AssLives spouts his hilarious horseshit about Captain America he's laying bare an astounding ignorance regarding both the comic character and the nature of patriotism and how it's different from nationalism. <p> I should remind everyone that AssLives is also the idiot who once infamously stated "I'm no patriot but I love my country", which, ironically, carries more than a slight whiff of nationalism about it.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 5:07 p.m. CST
Asimov... CAN'T YOU SEE YOU ARE FAILING MISERABLY? CAUSE EVERYONE ELSE HERE CAN!!! AND THEY'RE TELLING YOU!!! BUT YOU'RE IGNORING THEM!!!
by ChickenStu
If you could counter the justifiable criticisms levelled at your comments, you'd probably be taken more seriously. But when someone points out the flaws, you just carry on, ignoring the fact that your arguments have been rendered moot and pointless. You are shooting yourself in the foot here. I actually feel bad for calling you names now, cause you've just dug yourself so far into a pathetic hole, all I feel for you is pity. Sorry dude, but you're kind of pathetic. You really are.
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AssLives NEVER counters anyone's points. He makes loud pronouncements, basking in the glory of his own typing, but simply cannot engage in anything even remotely resembling a coherent debate. When his hypocrisy is pointed out, he will ignore it. When the flaws in his arguments are pointed out, he will ignore them. When his incoherence is commented upon, he will freak out and tell you to "go fuck yourself", "go kill yourself" or call you a "stalker" or "gay". <p> I love it when his pretentious veneer of civility collapses and he starts foaming at the mouth. Quality entertainment!
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Feb. 5, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST
The finer distinctions between patriotism and nationalism don't change...
by FlickaPoo
...the way people in other countries see this poster. Just imagine that poster, but swap in Captain Iran...that's how a lot of the rest of the world sees it...only more so, since we have a bigger presence and are already often seen as a bully. Is that the end of the world? Of course not...it's just one more thing reinforcing the image of Americans as a bunch of overgrown and entitled children slowly eating ourselves to death.
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Anyone who knows anything about Captain America knows he's anything but a jingoistic tool. It's hard making a poster which conveys that, but if the flag is enough to piss people off, then fuck 'em. No amount of Cap's struggling to live up to America's ideals (even when the country doesn't) is ever going to satisfy people like that.
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...and thoughtful arguments about Captain Ideals too. The problem is that the arguments are far too subtle and require you to know and give a shit about the character in the first place. I'm sure a Captain Iran fan could tell you all about how most people misunderstand shariah law...that it isn't really all about stoning adulteresses, but who cares? I'm not saying Captain America is evil or anything...just embarrassing.
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American ideals (not exclusively ours) are good. That's the difference. That's why a Captain Iran isn't comparable, unless he too stands for freedom for all. There's nothing to misunderstand about that.
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Bingo.
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...created as blatant patriotic propaganda and arguing it into universal truth and idealism. Fine, then change his name from Captain America to Captain Freedom, or Captain Humanist Ideals or something. Unless you guys are going to be around to explain the finer theological points of comic books to every human on the planet, this hero will be seen as just more American jingoism. I'm talking about gut reactions to symbols. You see Captain America and you think of all these wonderful ideals you've cherry-picked from American mythology. Other people see something like this and think of much more negative (but no less real) things. But I can see that you guys are having a hard time imagining a non American worldview...so I'm going to give it a break. A pleasure, as always.
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cmon Ryan, is there ANYTHING you enjoy (except that borefest aka Tron and that "make it up as we go to a magical cave" aka LOST)? Ryan, do ya at least like porn?
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I would like to see someone go up against Captain Flickapoo
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Maybe the super soldier serum will have the unintended side-effect of altering Cap's political sensibilities to be those of a modern day lefty-liberal and he'll spend the movie SPEAKIN' TRUTH TO POWER fighting the CRIMINAL US GOVERNMENT for interning Japanese, firebombing Dresden and Tokyo and oppressing African Americans.
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Sorry to deflate your simplistic and preconceived notions about those who are defending Captain America, but I'm an American with one non-American parent and I'm also living abroad in a country not known for being overly fond of the United States so I know all about non-American worldviews, thank you very much.
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Was denied by Joel Cohen himself. Tara Reid is full of shit. Google it. This is a response to a post a while above so yeah it looks really irrelevant, doesn't it?
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Captain Castration
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Feb. 5, 2011, 7:29 p.m. CST
braindrain, ive seen the move and i see why you enjoy it. cheers to my slut mom!
by yourSTEPDADDY
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Feb. 5, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST
Sorry, Doc. I was lumping you in with Continentalop and D.Vader...
by FlickaPoo
...two of the smartest talkbackers I've had the privilege of hanging out with and debating from time to time. StepDaddy...thanks for the major award. Hmmmm...FRAGILE...must be Italian!
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Feb. 5, 2011, 7:46 p.m. CST
'Embarassed', by a movie about a comic book character? What a weak individual you are.
by Dirk_The_Amoeba
That says a whole lot more about you than the subject matter of the movie. People take what the will and make what they will of any and everything. Only the weak-minded allow others notions to effect them.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 7:56 p.m. CST
You're one tough amoeba, dirk. It's easy for you to be so...
by FlickaPoo
...independent, cause you've got that whole asexual masturb...er, reproduction thing going for you. You don't need anybody else. The rest of us can't be quite so cavalier about it...we have to take the feelings of others into consideration every once and a while.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 8:11 p.m. CST
Amoeba's love to masturbate, especially when thinking about a fine-assed bacteria!
by Dirk_The_Amoeba
But that is neither here nor there. The subject is being embarrassed about a comic book character because of what your friends might think. Weak-minded . A comic book character. Geez. Look, America might not be your cup of ...whatever you drink, at your anti-American parties with your left pinkie in the air while sniffing contemptuously at poor pathetic types who either never considered the political ramifications of liking a comic book character because, well he is a comic book character and nothing more, or because maybe they do like that he represents an ideal that all peoples regardless their nationality should aspire to. Or, maybe you are just anti-marvel and simply like to bash anything Marvel related because that invalidates your life long devotion to the far more idealistic (and unreal) dcverse
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...been reading a little Ayn Rand? If not, you might like her. You're right about one thing, Captain America is a silly character, and all this is hardly the end of the world. As for the Marvel vs. DC thing, I have no idea what you're talking about...I don't read comic books. You have to turn the pages too often, it's a hassle. Novels are easier to read with wine and fancy cheese.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 9:34 p.m. CST
Never said Cap was silly, said he was a comic book character that you were embarrassed about
by Dirk_The_Amoeba
So, you have no idea about Cap, but you still slag on the character? Hmm, can you say ill-informed? I think you can
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Feb. 5, 2011, 9:45 p.m. CST
Dirk, you should read up before jumping into an argument...
by FlickaPoo
...I don't know shit or give one about Captain America. I've always only been talking about the way the rest of the world sees a non satirical character with that name and costume. It's inherently ridiculous.
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And I'm Canadian. So there.
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Feb. 5, 2011, 9:54 p.m. CST
Getting a wee bit testy for someone who does not give one shit
by Dirk_The_Amoeba
Yeah, right. You come across as hating America and hating and being embarrassed by Cap (a comic book character). Seems pretty simple comrade: Weak-minded and immature(17 maybe?)
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Nor am I a fan of American foreign policy in the last half of the 20th century. The only thing I've argued really on this board is that patriotism is not inherently bad (against Asi), and that the idea of a Captain America- who existed in WWII- is not comparable to the idea of a Captain China or a Captain Iran of today (whose values would also be much different from Cap's). I have no problems with other countries disliking America. But the ideals that Cap stands for- regardless of how others *see* him or America today- are good and true, and that's what many here have argued. Either way, its just a silly comic book character.
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I AM a fan of what Captain America stands for. I haven't read any Captain America issues, nor did I read the Avengers. But I did read Civil War and have read bits if pieces of Cap character when he appeared in other comic books. And what he stands for, his values, his morals, his ideals, are respectable, commendable, and we'd be a much better nation if we followed his lead, that's for sure.
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And I mean done.
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Interesting talkback. But at the end of the day, it's just a movie and if the imagery or jingoistic nature of the character offends don't go and see the damn thing! Also I think if the American film industry want to make a film about an American icon using American money then why the fuck not? As a Brit I wish our film industry could afford the budgets to make big movies like this telling British stories but we don't.
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Again, just don't see the point here... If the point is that a "pro-American" movie won't fare well at the box office, internationally... maybe. But if the point is that some... many .... folks outside the USA won't like to see a movie that presents a pro-American view, or which seems to celebrate American patriotism, or some such, I have to ask, again... so what? Should every movie made in Mexico, or Europe, or anywhere else, have to get an American "seal of approval", reflect American attitudes, etc? Does the fact that some folks in those countries hold a particular point of view somehow validate that point of view? I don't think so. And that isn't a shot AT those areas, their peoples, OR their attitudes. I don't expect them to care what I think, or what Americans think, and I think the opposite also applies. Frankly, I think the "point" here is pretty simple... (1) Some Talkbackers see America in a negative light. (2) These Talkbackers are put off by expressions of American positivity or patriotism. (3) Therefore they don't want to see a Captain America movie at all, or certainly one reflecting a "pro-American" movie. Well... gee...then don't go see it. I mean, if you hated rugby I wouldn't suggest you go see INVICTUS, if you don't like Jason Statham I would suggest you skip THE MECHANIC... it really is pretty simple. But, sorry to tell you, there ARE folks who would have no problem with a "pro-American" Captain America movie, who WILL go see it. No offense to you, but that is why we have chocolate and vanilla. Everyone out there doesn't have to adhere to YOUR preferences and tastes. Nor you to theirs.
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It makes sense if he is reflecting on the loss of comrades in arms.
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Originally, the comic's premise was used as a jongostic tool (and a morale boosting knee jerk response toward the Axis sentiment.) during WWII as opposed to propaganda which our friend Asi had hinted.But suffice to say, he is the heart and soul of the marvel U. (I concur with BSB on harry's little speech despite having bad tastes for mentioning Serbia Film as on of 2010's best films.WTF?!?) Take away the flag uniform and you still have the symbol.not only for the American dream, but one who would fight the good fight for the greater good.Be it against tyrants, invaders and despots but even the United States Government. (If anyone have read Steve engelhart's,Mark gruenwald's run or even the Civil War issues, then they would know that Steve rodgers is no one's puppet.) Let's not forget that Cap was the first comic to have a Black sidekick (and NO stephin fetchet uncle tom type either.) and back then, that shit was considered taboo. Cap being Gay? Asi, your'e a cool guy but that was uncalled for if any superheo was cited as homosexual, it would go to your boy Bats.let's see,Robin the boy wonder? Bruce and Dick? joel schmucker's batman and robin Movie? and the list goes on LMMFAO. Nothing Gay about Cap unless it's something about the red buccaneer boots.I'm anxious to see the trailer tonight while The steelers kick Green bays ass. Captain America, Fuck yeah...!!
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BSB, if you thought IP Man was good which it was, check out the first 10 minutes of Yen's other movie The return of Chen Zhen aka Legend of the Fist.This is the scene that is reminiscent of Cap'n A. Donnie yen is the muthafuckin Man. BTW IP Man 2 was a worthy successor to the first film.I guarantee, you're gonna love it.
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I didn't get to read your post, prior to posting my statements, but you also get the concept of the character who is more than just a flag draped super soldier, but a man of principles, who would not comprimise what he believes in. Not just some archietype Superhero, but a hero indeed.
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firstly, the poster is amazing, looks even better on my 52inch HDTV. Chris Evans is perfect for the role, i really wish u geeks that didnt like the fantastic 4 movies (i loved them) would get off the hate for Evans, its juvenile. its like michael bay hate, even more juvenile. as for patriotism, i agree that the america of 50yrs ago and older was better, even with the flaws, the inequalities, etc. the point being is that we didnt hide the fact we were full of it, it was americas calling card of sorts. America did however stand with its allies, and defend itself, and only if there was good reason. today we invade countries at will for nothing more than economic and political reasons, dont consult or support our allies, and pretty much are brainwashing our own citizens with patriotic propaganda. im ashamed of what our country has descended into, and any 20sumthin who actually believes the garbage they feed us these days to actually sign up and goto iraq or afghanistan deserves to be shot, sorry but its true. These days u cant even sit on the fence, its either u support the troops and the joke of a president we have now, or ur a traitor and should be deported. really kinda sad...if captain america was truly a symbol of america in the 30s and 40s then maybe we need a new symbol, and we need it quick...and no its not obama, ill vomit if anyone says that....besides he wll be a civilian after next year, so he dont count. ....go CAP!!;;;
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firstly, the poster is amazing, looks even better on my 52inch HDTV. Chris Evans is perfect for the role, i really wish u geeks that didnt like the fantastic 4 movies (i loved them) would get off the hate for Evans, its juvenile. its like michael bay hate, even more juvenile. as for patriotism, i agree that the america of 50yrs ago and older was better, even with the flaws, the inequalities, etc. the point being is that we didnt hide the fact we were full of it, it was americas calling card of sorts. America did however stand with its allies, and defend itself, and only if there was good reason. today we invade countries at will for nothing more than economic and political reasons, dont consult or support our allies, and pretty much are brainwashing our own citizens with patriotic propaganda. im ashamed of what our country has descended into, and any 20sumthin who actually believes the garbage they feed us these days to actually sign up and goto iraq or afghanistan deserves to be shot, sorry but its true. These days u cant even sit on the fence, its either u support the troops and the joke of a president we have now, or ur a traitor and should be deported. really kinda sad...if captain america was truly a symbol of america in the 30s and 40s then maybe we need a new symbol, and we need it quick...and no its not obama, ill vomit if anyone says that....besides he wll be a civilian after next year, so he dont count. ....go CAP!!
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I think Captain American looks cooler from the poster WITHOUT a helmet than with it. The Art Dept. REALLLLLY dropped the ball on that helm. Honestly, I probably would have kept the suit as they designed it... but the helm.. I would have gone in a completely different direction... a full facial mask/helm with wings... like Hawkman... but the wings shrunk wayyyy down (redesigned nose piece)... CA's colors... and the mask could possibly cover the mouth. I like the diabolical brows from Hawkman's helmet. <br> <br> http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/81197/1573224-hawkman_joeprado.jpg
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If those were the main reasons for fighting the Nazi menace - then were they not available in Portugal during WWII? After all Portugal did remain firmly neutral during the Second World War, selling Tungsten to both the Allies and the Nazi's Please note I do realise that the above is a horrendous simplification and that Portugal did provide Naval bases for Britain to use because of the Anglo-Portuguese Alliance and that an American base was allowed on Terceira Island (only after Salazar was told that it would be invaded if not granted). I also understand that Salazar was a dictator who didn't have an awful lot against fascist regimes So, I make no judgement on Portugal. However as horrendous simplifications seem to be the order of the day when it comes to your views on America I thought I'd join in.
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...with Johnston's desire for this to have a RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK vibe? It's a nice image but it's all Dark-Knighty. Cap's going to be hard to get right, tonally. I haven't read the comic in a long time but I don't remember him being much of a wise-cracker. He doesn't have that slight moral ambiguity that made Indiana Jones so likeable. I'm presuming, though, that they're not going to go campy on his patrotism like DOC SAVAGE or something. But poster aside, nothing I've seen looks like they're going dark either, so I'm curious how they're going to balance it. Worst case scenario is that Bucky carries the humour, like Rob Schneider in JUDGE DREDD (if you can call that humour). But I've got some faith in Johnston. He hasn't had the best scripts to work with but I think he's a bit more than just a journeyman director. JP3 and WOLFMAN weren't great but they had a really good look to them. He's strong on visuals and I think he'll do well if the script nails it. Tough one, though. But yeah, I'm more worried about THOR. I can't see the public taking to it - some mullet-sporting Norse God muscleman with a magic hammer? And Branagh's made nothing very good so far. The idea that he's well-suited for it because he's done Shakespeare is pretty laughable.
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Thanks pal! Netflix doesn't have Legend of the Fist so it looks like a visit to Chinatown is in order. Might even pick up Ip Man 2 and some roast pork buns while I'm there. Thanks for the rec!
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But he can also bring a world of hurt, so tread lightly around him.
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Poster fail!
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You absolutely smashed Asi - but I guarantee he will never acknowledge it.
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No doubt as in my various previous conversations with Asimovlives (such as the Pakistan is India debate of last year) I'll be accused of being unintelligent, not knowing history and then called a fool. But what the hell?
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As a 43 year old Scot my perspective on Captain America is that he's a fictitious character. Growing up in a small town in Scotland my only exposure to American comics was the haphazard selection that would appear every so often at my local newsagents on a roller rack. You'd get random issues of Superman, Flash, Captain America, The Invaders and similar but never enough to really get a coherent grasp on what the characters history was. We'd also get UK reprints of Marvel comics where one comic would have 8 pages of The Avengers, 8 pages of the Hulk, 8 pages of Spiderman and so on. I guess in the 70's in the UK anyway that war was still an entertainment in many ways (an awful lot of the British comics were rip-roaring war comics and there was none of this posthumous ripping apart of the Allied forces. One of my favourite characters was Union Jack Jackson, a British marine who somehow ended up fighting alongside the American Marines in the Pacific. It made no comment other than Britain and America fought along side each other. Along with the other allied forces. So, to me Captain America (who I really got to know through back issues of the Invaders) was a character who was a hero. What is interesting is that many of the people who were writing the British comics in the 70's had actually lived through the war (some had fought in it) and to them the Americans were allies. Occasionally my grandpa would gripe that the 'Bloody Yanks had better food than us' but that was pretty much the only negative aspects that I personally heard - and by negative I mean my grandpa had got pissed off with eating bully beef. I only mention this because people who actually experienced the war don't have the safe perspective that we have. I read a facsimile of a booklet given to American troops before they came to the UK and it was brilliant - I paraphrase a bit but it had advice like 'when you see a British girl, treat her with respect because chances are she'll have put out fires and saved lives with courage.' and 'Don't be too quick to show off your money as the British people have lived with the threat of invasion for years and are tougher than you think'. Anyway, I digress. I've never really kept up with Captain America as a character - I do remember reading some stories where he was conflicted about his role as a symbol and his actions as a hero when America was involved in things that stood against his principals and that is a great way to use a character like Captain America. To sit here and now in 2011 and judge a character that was designed for a specific purpose and still suppose that he stands for that purpose and has not evolved or developed in any way whatsoever is a bit ridiculous. He evolved as soon as he became the Fish out of Water character when he was thawed out in the 60's. (I assume it was the 60's). This film is set during WWII - and hopefully will have that pulpy vibe that Raiders did, that the Rocketeer did and it will capture the adventure film that just happens to be set during WWII that films like Where Eagles Dare and The Dirty Dozen did. I have no problems about Captain America existing in film and am genuinely looking forward to it. To sit and look at the character and say that he's redundant in this case is pointless because it's not a real time real world thriller - it's a WWII action film and like someone above me said I wish that I could see British films being made about British characters on the same scale. To say that he's redundant at all is also incredibly unimaginative because a writer can see great possibilities of a character who is a symbol of something he may not always be proud of. That's a gift for drama and the ideal platform for making political comment if that's what you want. It's a general anti-American vibe that sickens me - I do not agree with many things that America has done, and I certainly hate seeing what Britain has done and is doing both domestically and globally. However there are films that deal with that, there are movies that deal with that, there are books that deal with that and to pick on a big budget, hopefully fun adventure film for not doing that and using it as a platform for the usual arguments about WWII (the Americans came in late, in the UK we'd all be speaking German if America hadn't saved our asses etc etc etc) is both depressingly tedious and frighteningly inevitable. Using it as a platform to hate America is pretty fucking tenuous too. Arguing that Captain America is an embodiment of AMERICA is the same as arguing that Indiana Jones is the embodiment of archaeology. Anyway, I hope that it's good. I really, really do.
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It was a failure when Joe Johnston was announced as the director. Then adding Chris Evans to the mix was just the cherry on top of the shit sundae. I can't believe nobody sees that he's fucking weak. This guy and Channing Tatum need to do a suicide pact and jump off a building somewhere.
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Simply Awesome. I really want to see this one hit out of the park.
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Well said.
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Feb. 6, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST
agreed Vader...BTW have u seen ur SuperBowl ad yet? funny as hell...
by jay2517
it has a kid dressed up as mini-vader in a trying to use the "force" on multiple things. funny as hell...
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there's ignorance and THEN there's assicuntlives...
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I saw it a few days ago. That lil Vader is awesome. So much emotion in his movements. Hi-larious!
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Feb. 6, 2011, 6:17 p.m. CST
lol the best part was when he "shooed" his dad away when he was wanting a hug lol...
by jay2517
plus, when he tried to "force" the sandwich to him and his mom slid it to him lol. the expression he gives is hilarious...
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looks good!
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as well. Winghead isn't the only hero representing a country's ideals in this story. Union Jack, anyone? It's also silly to complain about the timing of America's involvement in the war in relation to this character, as he was created by two Jewish men as a way to convince people away from isolationist sentiment. Nor was the character universally embraced by Americans when he debuted.
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