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Sam Jackson spills on THOR, CAPTAIN AMERICA & THE AVENGERS on Fallon!

Hey folks, Harry here...    I'm just getting ready to conk out for the night, and I got this email from a reader named Elliot that was watching Jimmy Fallon tonight, when Sam Jackson shared some coolness for us Marvel geeks to geek about.   Here's the letter:


Hi there,
Not much of a scoop but I was just watching Sam Jackson on Jimmy Fallon and he confirmed that he has one day to shoot on both Captain America and Thor. He didn't know if the scenes would appear after the credits but that the purpose of the scenes is to "invite them (Cap & Thor) to the Avengers". I seem to recall Joe Johnston stating that Nick Fury wouldn't appear in Captain America but it appears that has changed (probably after Joss Whedon's rewrite?)
He also confirmed that the shooting of Avengers starts in April and  he will be screen testing this week with a number of actresses (didn't mention any names) for the part of his sidekick in Avengers who is "with him all the time." Wasp perhaps?
I haven't heard any of this info confirmed anywhere yet and since it came from Jackson himself, I thought it would be best to send it your way.  


SO - who could Nick Fury's femme sidekick be?   Elliot thinks along the lines of Janet Van Dyne, but frankly, I'm betting it'll probably be one of the many female characters in the history of S.H.I.E.L.D. - there's a lot.   But who knows, fetishistically, which most appeals to Whedon, other than the fact that Joss does love kick ass females!

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  • Feb. 3, 2011, 12:51 a.m. CST


    by darksith

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 12:51 a.m. CST


    by CrazySlasher


  • Feb. 3, 2011, 12:53 a.m. CST

    I say it's Maria Hill

    by oisin5199

    fits better than Janet Van Dyne. They're not opening that can of worms yet.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 12:55 a.m. CST

    i had to kill Harry for making a mistake...

    by Dick Jones

    ...and that mistake being the .gif image that's going to be giving me nightmares.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 12:55 a.m. CST


    by maelstrom_ZERO

    I thought that Black Widow was supposed to be the femme fatale that was with Nick Fury all the time? Or maybe it's supposed to be Sharon Carter, Cap's love interest and Shield agent? I haven't really read very much about Shield, so someone please enlighten me.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Sharon Carter

    by dukeroberts

    It's gotta be Sharon Carter.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 1:02 a.m. CST

    It Better Be Sharon Carter.


    She's a huge part of Cap's history.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Carol Danvers

    by Rex Carsalot


  • Feb. 3, 2011, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Why Shield? Betty Ross. Like in the Ultimates

    by Saen

    Though i was hoping to see Scarlett again.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Definitely one of the three mentioned already


    Maria Hill, Carol Danvers, or Sharon Carter.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Jennifer Walters.

    by Grasscutter

    She Hulk tie-in. Paint Gina Carano green.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 1:24 a.m. CST

    I don't trust Joss Whedon

    by golden tribw

    Especially after hearing this. He has an obsession with women being right and physically dominating men. Somehow the Avengers (all of the headliner characters are male just as all the established pre-existing franchises being blended together for Whedon's movies are about male heroes) is going to be twisted into feminist bullshit, subtly somewhere even if not in large part.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Its gotta be Maria Hill

    by ianrewel

    shes been the sidekick in the comics and tv show for a while now

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Of the three already mentioned...

    by elgato73

    Sharon Carter, Maria Hill, or Carol Danvers, I think it'll probably be Maria Hill. They'll introduce Sharon in the Captain America sequel I bet. As for Danvers, I doubt if she's going to be involved at all. Maybe if The Avengers gets a sequel but I don't see a Ms. Marvel film in the future unless all these Marvel films do mega boxoffice.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 1:48 a.m. CST

    "obsession with women being right"

    by oisin5199

    Wow, what a douchebag Whedon must be for actually treating women like equals and allowing them to have some power. A total douchebag.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Whedon's Femme of choice?

    by McFlyWalker

    Without doubt this should be Eliza Dushku, who is tried & tested with Mr. Whedon, can fight, is similarly aged to the rest of the cast & is hot in leathers!

  • You can't do Avengers and SHIELD and ignore STERANKO

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 2:12 a.m. CST

    Revelation : End of Cap is modern age.

    by Se7en

    Which I think is extremely cool.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 2:27 a.m. CST

    Jackson does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Sam Jackson used to be so filled with righteous fury and vengeance but now...<p> He's gone from sleep-walking through STAR WARS as the doziest Jedi who ever lived...<p> To every comicbook movie playing the Yul Bryner 'recruiter' role like THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN (fact - they both have bald heads).<p> Don't be suprised if events soon take a WESTWORLD twist and Jackson's face falls off revealing a robot.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 2:40 a.m. CST

    needs more fury cameos.

    by alice133

    we need to know what happens to a toad when it hears thunder.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 2:45 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Telemarketer - I knew it! You really are a telemarketer...<p> Posting the same script in every tb, just like you recite the same script to every poor sap you call.<p> Just don't be suprised when people tell you to fuck off 3 seconds into you spiel.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 3:09 a.m. CST


    by Suskis

    The Avengers is a LOL concept. Aside Iron Man and The Hulk, the other members are quite silly superheroes (the silliest being Thor). I don't think anything good can come from this kind of operation: every major actor will have to be paid an insane amount of money, as their character alone is worth millions. Bad bad idea.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Budget does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    suskis, I agree with you but I don't think there are any major actors lined up for this are there?<p> As I understand IRON MAN 2 made up some oddball reason why Iron Man would be an Avenger but Tony Stark wouldn't... so Robert Downey Jnr will cameo at best - even if he's only in it for 30 seconds his face on the trailer will sell a ton of tickets. You'll mostly have a CG Iron man suit showing up.<p> Same goes for Ed Norton as The Hulk, he's been swapped for the rather cheaper option of Mark Ruffalo (who? exactly)... <p> This article says they're casting Sam Jackson's female sidekick so Scarlett Johansson can be relieved of duty.<p> Which leaves - Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth. Hardly big name stars (yet), and doubtless both had AVENGERS written into their contracts for THOR and CAPTAIN AMERICA so they won't be able to re-negotiate if those movies do big box.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 3:39 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Oh and you also get that Agent Coulson fellow who's been 'so memorable' in his previous appearances. The actor's name is on the tip of my tongue... you know he was also in... um... uh... nope.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Everything's shaping up quite nicely!

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    At least the "Avengers movie will never happen" people seem to have gone quiet (mostly). Well, now they're "A movie will suck" people, but we're getting there. Hang in there, true believers!

  • I'm guessing a woman laughed at the size of your dick or something.

  • Those two people are Jimmy Fallon's parents.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Best guess

    by Grendel745

    Maria Hill is for more prominent in the modern age, but Sharon Carter has more history with other characters (specifically Cap). I'd say its probably Maria (which would allow for Joss to cast Dushku) because of her being more known in the modern comics.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 5:30 a.m. CST

    I kinda wished I didn't know that.....

    by Righteous Brother

    Just for once I'd like to be surprised by a cameo appearance.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 5:36 a.m. CST

    if they are testing it ain't Sharon Carter

    by geoff

    I'm sure I saw an interview with Hayley Atwell where she let slip that she had the name Sharon as well as Peggy on her contract but wasn't sure whether Sharon would appear in modern day Cap or just future films. I'd guess Maria Hill as the "Sidekick" unless she turns out to be working for the bad guys which would make it the Countess. As for Black Widow I'm fairly sure she'll be front and centre as an avenger and therefore not hanging on Fury's coat-tails. That way she can be in the "Big important scenes" whilst the lower paid newbies can make up the bulk of the film.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 5:46 a.m. CST

    JGL cast in the Dark Knight Rises

    by Righteous Brother

    just read over at

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 6:36 a.m. CST

    It will probably be Jane Stephens.


    Or Willow Desjardins. Or Patty Paulson. Or Tammy Young Or Bridget Nelson Or Yvette Thorndyke Or Hannah Randolphe Or Vanna Curtis Or Allison Bantam Or Edwina Edwards Or Ophelia Swampgrass Or Florence Dukes Or Bessy Cowfolk Or Nadine Madkoff Or Ginger Fatass Or Vera Wangchung Or Chelsea Fredrickson Or Jane Bane Or Isabelle Goodmund (but not Isabel Godmond) Or Meghan Moorcock Or Sally Forks Or Greta Gangbang Or Clara O'Shaunessy Or Sean O'Clara Or Desiree Demonchilde Or Nora Nimble Or Tara Ignatius Or Pam Smith Or Paulette Smith Or Lisa Smith Or Katie Smith Or Kate Smith Or Ken Smith (the "don't ask, don't tell" story arc) Or Gina McBina Or Doris Dumoffsky Or Bella McFella Or Jenny McBenny Or Frida Gershwin. So many to choose from.

  • Which one was that? Maria?

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 6:55 a.m. CST


    by LLcruize2

    OK, here is my question. I am not steeped in the cannon. But how would Fury be extending an offer to Cap all the way back in 1940ish, while looking no older than mid 50's in Iron Man? Is that explained in the comics? Did he take an anti-aging serum?

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Maria Hill

    by Grimes02

    We should be so lucky

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Carol Danvers

    by mrfantomashawk

    If this is going to be like the ultimate universe, it will be Danvers (Ms. Marvel)

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 7:17 a.m. CST

    What if the end of Captain America sees Cap frozen...

    by D.Vader

    But not by being up in the arctic. What if he's betrayed so to speak by the government, frozen in stasis to use in the future when the country is once again in great peril. That'd be interesting. I have no idea how the Ultimate Cap was frozen.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Actually Rose Bryne

    by grendel69

    Was my choice for Wasp, but she ended up in Xmen FC

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Saen re Betty Ross

    by Himbo

    Not trying to start an argument here, but I don't think they could go the Ultimates path with Betty. Betty has already appeared in the current movie continuum in the Incredible Hulk. Given her distaff for the way the Govt handled Banner, it would seem unlikely she'd up with SHIELD. No reason to really. No likely reason to name Fury's #1 in Avengers at all. As it is, it will be like a major league eating contest, with big characters all competing for screen time. I have loved many Joss Whedon products. But I have a BAD feeling about this one.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Ultimate Cap was frozen the same way regular Cap was frozen

    by rev_skarekroe

    Shot down over the arctic whilst defusing a missile.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 8:03 a.m. CST

    That's right

    by BrooklynBred

    And u must be Caucasian broke

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Will william hurt be general Ross? And where is

    by UltraTron

    Incredible Hulk 2? Could have him take down a shield heli-carrier. And where's new fantastic 4?They need to team with avengers and Xmen eventually to battle thanos or at least Galactus. Let's see- george clooney is mr fantastic. They need at least one heavyweight in the 4 to counter Downy. Charleze is invisible woman. There ya go. There's a power couple for ya. Just add a new Johnny storm and digital thing

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST

    You can watch the SLJ interview on Fallon's site

    by Blanket-Man He doesn't reveal much of anything beyond what's been said here already, though. It's just cool to hear him talk about it.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 8:28 a.m. CST

    If its Maria Hill, then Ciivil War will be Avengers 2.

    by shutupfanboy

    Unfortunately, Joss helped write the end of that rather epic tale then Marvel spiraled down to the shit where it is today. If he even fucking sniffs at doing that ending, I will buy a ticket to the buffy reboot and praise it online that is how much I fucking hate the end of that story.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Civil War CAN'T be Avengers 2

    by D.Vader

    There is no conceivable way that would work with so many other studios owning the rights to other big characters.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 8:40 a.m. CST

    The Avengers cast isn't that expensive...

    by Chewtoy

    The idea that the actors will all be replaced or barely in it is laughable... Robert Downey Jr., Sam Jackson and Scarlet Johansson are the only "name" actors in it so far, and none of them were extraordinarily expensive when locked into contract. There have been far more star-studded projects in the last year alone. Norton wasn't replaced because he was too expensive, he was replaced because he and the producers disagreed so much making the Incredible Hulk that it winded up in a lawsuit that threatened to derail the release. When two sides fight that much and the end result doesn't bring in a boatload of cash, it isn't exactly surprising that they don't work together again. Now, maybe if Thor and Captain America hit huge and the first Avengers film is a runaway success (filmed before the release of either of those other two), then rising contract costs and egos will be an issue for Avengers 2. I'm somehow thinking that is not exactly a nightmare scenario for Marvel though. "If only our films weren't such huge successes!"

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 8:55 a.m. CST

    How Avengers 2 can be Civil War. Step by step process.

    by shutupfanboy

    If they are planning to do it and it is Maria Hill is who Sam is talking about then. All they have to do is plant seeds. At the end of Avengers, plant the seed that aspects of the government don't like the Avengers like Hill. Iron Man 3, make Tony start questioning other heroes actions like Hawkeye and Cap's leadership. Thor 2, move Thor out of the picture, perhaps have Tony pop in to do some cloning. Cap 2, have Cap really question the government play on the man out of time and the respect he has for other heroes. All they have to do is plant seeds. Spiderman will hopefully bomb or Disney will straight up buy the rights from everyone else, they can and will do it before 2020. They didn't spend 4 billion for Marvel just for the C listers. FF is in limbo anyway. The X-Men weren't in it anyway, so thats one giant thing they don't have to touch. Avengers 2 let someone like Hulk do something bad thus starting the war. Movie ends with Cap not Iron Man winning. All they have to do is little things between now and then to get Civil War going. Honestly, I think they are heading for Infinity Gauntlet for Avengers 2, hell we have already seen the glove. If they dismiss that then they are in trouble, because that would be epic and they may already have Surfer's rights. I do think since Whedon did help write it and if he is back for a second, you will see Civil War things being brought up.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Not this end credit BS again!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    That was cool the first time but now its getting old. I hope The Avengers have something better than that.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 9 a.m. CST

    As for Fury's right hand woman...

    by Chewtoy could go a lot of ways, as mentioned above. Maria Hill offers a chance for some friction with the Avengers down the line. The classic Avenger butted heads with the government quite often. Since Fox apparently has the rights to Gyrich (who was the most memorable governmental liaison in the comic, and totally wasted in the first X-Men film) and since SHIELD is apparently running the Avengers in the film, then Hill would be the best chance for friction. It would simply require a plot that had Fury out (captured, framed, believed dead, on a mission) and Hill running things. Carol Danvers is the only Avengers woman that makes sense to set up (as opposed to Wasp or others), because it would work well enough with her background and introduce the character in order to give her powers down the line. Wasp doesn't really work as Fury's right-hand-woman, but I suppose Whedon could pull off most any character... Danvers just makes more sense. Countess Valantina de Fontaine is, of course, Fury's classic right hand woman/ love interest and would make perfect sense as well, especially if Marvel is interested in launching a Nick Fury or SHIELD film. Hell, she was even in Hasslehof's Nick Fury TV movie. The fact that Jackson is screen testing with the actresses up for the role suggests they'll need more than a coworker's chemistry. Sharon Carter would make sense, but I think they would hold off on her until any Captain America sequel. Besides, it would be far more important in the long run to screen test that actress with Chris Evans rather than Sam Jackson.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Shutupfanboy, those are just pipe dreams

    by D.Vader

    Spider-Man isn't going to bomb, and even if it does, Sony will still retain the rights. Fox isn't letting go of X-Men any time soon, and Fantastic Four is not in limbo, its getting rebooted. Disney/Marvel is still happy to let other studios continue to pay to keep the characters and keep making movies. It'd be fantastic if it happens, but the chances are very small.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Civil War was a pretty shitty storyline...

    by Chewtoy

    It relied on nearly 50 years of attachment to the characters to work even as well as it did, and it turned a ton of readers off of Tony Stark, making him a complete asshole. It would be a disaster to try on film, and could easily sink any successful franchises they have going. There is traditionally plenty of friction in the team to provide all of the drama you need without taking it to ridiculous levels where the audience is forced to confront every reason why the world presented in superhero fiction wouldn't work at all. That said, as mentioned above I could easily see Maria Hill being used to provide friction with the government... Just without the rest of Civil War's nonsense.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Civil War was a pretty shitty storyline...

    by Chewtoy

    It relied on nearly 50 years of attachment to the characters to work even as well as it did, and it turned a ton of readers off of Tony Stark, making him a complete asshole. It would be a disaster to try on film, and could easily sink any successful franchises they have going. There is traditionally plenty of friction in the team to provide all of the drama you need without taking it to ridiculous levels where the audience is forced to confront every reason why the world presented in superhero fiction wouldn't work at all. That said, as mentioned above I could easily see Maria Hill being used to provide friction with the government... Just without the rest of Civil War's nonsense.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 9:26 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    And I wasn't exactly quiet doing it neither.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Has to be Sharon Carter

    by mastermold

    Introducing the love of Cap's life into the movies.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 9:35 a.m. CST

    I hope this movie doesnt feature SHIELD agents cartwheeling

    by _Venkman

    and all that other ridiculous crap shown in Iron Man 2.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Disney will reel in all of the rights by the next decade.

    by shutupfanboy

    They will not be content with other studios making huge amounts of money off characters they just spent billions on. Disney will eventual have Marvel not negoitate rights when they come with the other studios and it will go to Disney. Then, we will get Civil War, Infinity Gauntlet Secret Wars and so on. People already have a vested interest in the characters thats why they spend $10-12 a ticket to see them. Its not impossible to plant seeds, hell they have been doing it since Iron Man just to get to Avengers. Spiderman looks bad and it probably won't bomb, but I don't think it will make what the studio thinks it will make ie over $300 million. Brand is another good choice if not Hill and can still be a source of friction for the heroes. I don't think SMG would make a good Brand maybe Monreau from Firefly and V if he was going to pick alumini. Amy Acker would be perfect for Wasp.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 9:38 a.m. CST

    The sidekick will be Black Widow...

    by Cletus Van Damme

    ...and they'll just buy some footage from The Spirit to trim the budget.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Civil War was great up until the end.

    by shutupfanboy

    It has one of the shitiest endings of all comic book time, but everything leading up to it was awesome. Plus, RDJ plays Tony like a dick anyway, so its not that hard to move him to be a villain. He was a giant asshole almost to the point of being the villain in Iron Man 2 and it still made cash. I also think RDJ might like taking that character into that direction. As long as Tony admits he did wrong and loses, it would make for a good story. Everything after Civil War, they should just ignore.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST

    How about Barbara "Bobbi" Morse AKA Mokingbird?

    by ArchangelM78

    In the cartoons, she is a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent planted by Nick Fury to keep an eye on the team from within. That is something I could see Nick Fury doing in the movie. In the comics, she is a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent who is a love interest of Hawkeye- being played by Jeremy Renner in THE AVENGERS movie. She is a kick-ass character and also happens to be blond,

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Isn't Captain America set 50 years before the Avengers?

    by Charlie

    Is Captain America set 50 years before the Avengers? So how on earth will the actors and characters cross over?

  • any of those would and should come before the non-event clusterfuck that was the Civil War.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Seriously do you guys think you'll get stuff like....

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Kree/Skull War, Infintiy Guanlet, Civil War and stuff like ??? LOL C'mon! The Avengers will have to make tons of money for its casting and budget alone. And I seriously doubt it'll make even IM 2(which was shitty) money! Save your hardons until the box office returns is announced!

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Chris Evans sez optioned for originally 9 films, now 6

    by deelzbub

    3 for Cap 3 for Avengers what would the other 3 have been? bit parts in Thor 2, Iron Man 3, Ant Man & Wasp?

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Kree/Skull is Avengers 1.

    by shutupfanboy

    Contest of Champions was lame. Secret Wars and Infinity Gauntlet would be great. I still think Civil War will take place mainly due to not needing the X-Men and it has a more realistic feel to it. Secret Wars is just one giant fight to another, good for its time. Plus, all the X-Men are in it. Gauntlet while already showing up in spoilers, is going to take time bringing up the cosmos of the Marvel Universe. You also have to sell the audience that Thanos and Warlock on bad asses. Thanos is easy to do if they hint at him in Avengers 1, Warlock needs a separate movie to explain his ass. You pretty much need a Marvel Cosmic movie with Captain Marvel to help showcase what the Gauntlet is all about. Unless, they say Fuck Warlock and just have the Avengers go after Thanos. Civil War fits more into the "realistic" world they are trying to create for these movies. Iron Man 2 showcased as members of the US government as bad guys, so that has been sent into motion. Thor will probably blow up the "realistic" aspect of everything, but it depends how Thor is done as well as received.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Infinity Gauntlet has my vote

    by pizzatheface

    They already have the majority of the rights to Marvel characters. They would have to acquire a few more, but man, seeing Thanos kill them all off would be excellent for the big screen. Check out Adam Warrock's and Ruckus Roboticus' album on iTunes called "The War For Infinity". It's a pretty entertaining take on Infinity Gauntlet. (Especially where Memphisto deceives Thanos: "Crooked Deal").

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 10:38 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Reading through this thread, it suddenly registered with me that...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...never before in the history of film (as I can recall), has a studio made such a large-scale attempt to knit together so many characters in their own stand-alone stories, and then group stories, etc. Or am I forgetting something? Just a casual, not-had-enough-coffee yet observation...

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Am I not allowed to comment?

    by ArchangelM78

    Put like 3 posts and.....nothing!

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 11:04 a.m. CST


    by ArchangelM78

    yep This I like

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Not sold on Whedon for this

    by Lemure_v2

    The guy may be a good writer but he's yet to direct anything half-decent - Serenity looked like a TV special. Gutted they couldn't have got Brad Bird for this.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 11:07 a.m. CST


    by deelzbub

    #1- Hulk or Kree/Skull War? #2- Ultron-w/ Wasp & Ant-Man #3- Korvac Saga or Kang? w/ Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch/Black Panther I'm starting to think Infinity Gantlet could be its own thing, maybe post-Avengers 3, once Disney gets X-Men and Spidey back.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 11:09 a.m. CST

    One for the nerds...

    by Lemure_v2

    Please bear in mind that The Avengers is being made for EVERYONE. That means it has to appeal to people who have never read a comic book in their life - so forget infinity gauntlet and battles with aliens and fuck knows what else. It HAS to be grounded or only the nerds will watch it and therefore it will flop, as you only make up 20% of the target audience.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Ultratron-Don't see any Incredible Hulk 2 happening

    by Jack Desmondi

    Just checked Box Office Mojo, and that had IH with a $150 million budget and a gross of $267 (US and International total). Considering that a movie has to earn double its budget back just to break even (i.e. accounting for marketing costs, etc.), IH2 wasn't exactly a grand slam box office wise. Considering box office disappointment, a well known pain in the ass prick as star (yes that means you Ed Norton) and Marvel's already full slate of superhero flicks--a second go-round with Bill Hurt is highly unlikely.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Only thing I got out of this...

    by David Assholehoff

    ...was "fetishistically". Harry, no. No. Do we need to get your fingers a muzzle?

  • Based on all of their massive hits headlining prior films, what kind of salaries do you think Scarlet Johansson pulls down? Chris Evans? Chris Helmsworth? Mark Ruffalo? My god... putting them all together in one film... Hell, Thor cast Anthony Hopkins, Natalie Portman, and Rene Russo in addition to having to pay someone to be their lead actor, and nobody is saying "That cast is hugely expensive!" Because it's not. Robert Downey Jr. is the only one that is likely expensive in the entire Avengers cast. Sam Jackson is a quality supporting actor and likely paid as one, but he hasn't headlined a hit movie in ages, so it's not like he's getting a massive paycheck for Avengers. The Avengers has a fairly usual cast for an ensemble film... It's filming before Thor or Captain America are released, so it's not like the agents of those actors can leverage those roles for more money. There's nothing super pricey about making it.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Carol Danvers?

    by David Assholehoff

    Only if pre/post Ms. Marvel. She'd have to be IN the Avengers if fully powered...

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST


    by skycrapper

    is what this movie needs

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Cap's films

    by deelzbub

    #1- Origin w/ Red Skull & Arnim Zola #2- flashback w/ Invaders vs Strucker & Baron Zemo & Zola #3- would be present-day, w/ Cap teaming up w/ The Falcon.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Jessica Drew/aka Spider-Woman

    by werewolfbynight

    This characrer has a rich history with shield and H.Y.D.R.A. (nerdgasm) Model her based on the work of Steve Leialoha.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 11:50 a.m. CST

    you mean M.O.D.O.K.

    by werewolfbynight

    Mind control organismdesigned only for killimg

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Jessica Drew/aka Spider-Woman

    by donkingkong

    would be awesome

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Steven Lang as Nick Fury=Win!

    by Stalkeye

    As much as I like Sam J, I'm not really feelin his role as Fury. It's more like a walk in part and it looks phoned it. If your gonna go with a Black Fury, there's always Avery Brooks. the brotha needs work and fast!

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Riddle me this:

    by EastcoastAvenger

    Riddle me this: Didn't Fury says something like "you've gotten yourself in the middle of a whole new universe filled with people like you", to Stark at the end of Iron Man 1? We'll if fury is just now inviting Cap and Thor onto the team who else would Fury be speaking of that would comprise an entire new universe of super humans?

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 12:38 p.m. CST

    riddle: Fury has SHIELD intel

    by deelzbub

    he would know about Spider-Man, Punisher, FF, Surfer, X-Men, Hulk and even Invaders from back in the day

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Mocking Bird.....

    by Quackfu

    Hmm...could be

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    kildeer1: yeah but hurt met with downy after the credits.

    by UltraTron

    If they don't at least have a hurt cameo in Avengers I'm shitting in my hand and flinging it at the projection booth

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    What if the end of Captain America sees Cap frozen...

    by Paste Pot Pete

    d.vader wrote: "But not by being up in the arctic. What if he's betrayed so to speak by the government, frozen in stasis to use in the future when the country is once again in great peril. That'd be interesting." YEAH baby! Oh, BEHAVE!

  • The Incredible Hulk takes place after Iron Man 2, even though it hit theaters a few years before... so there's no reason that the offer to Cap couldn't chronologically take place before Iron Man 1. If nothing else, Fury would know that Cap existed before Iron Man. Additionally, the end scene with SHIELD in Iron Man 2 shows a map with points noted... One is the artic, where Cap is found, one is the US southwest, where SHIELD had just found Thor's hammer, one is where the Hulk was rioting on campus (footage from that is playing on another screen), and then there are a couple more... One in the ocean (Namor?), one in Africa which has to be Wakanda. So they're obviously tracking some extra-human activity and were likely aware of it before Stark went public.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Yes Modok, sorry

    by skycrapper

    can always count on being corrected here. Big floating head dude.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST

    do people really want to see those alien storylines?

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    the thing I hate the most in comics when human heroes are up against aliens. so, I really hope that no aliens are brought into this universe (at least until a 3rd "final" film). its just seems to cheesy to have aliens with wrinkly chins fighting a man with a shield

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Burning up that 9-pic deal with CAMEOS???!!

    by Drath

    Are they fucking stupid? I'm disappointed if they are using up 2 of the 9 movies on one-scene teasers for the Avengers. We are fucking sold on that movie, guys! If you need Nick Fury to remind us it's coming, then I fear it means there is less confidence in Thor and Captain America to stand on their own.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    chewtoy, I'll let you know once the budget is reveal.

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    I dunno about you but I've seen movies w/o that many celebs and the budget can be quite high. You have 2 options; 1) The Avengers budget can be slightly, making the movie look good. However that risks The Avengers struggling to make it money back. 2) The Avengers will be put together cheaply and look like that lame kiddie X-Men tv show! Take your and pray for #1. Risks are part of the game and if Marvel plays it too cheap that shit is going to look corny! I remind you and anyone that I'm just speculating and having fun.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    I don't envy Whedon

    by Lemure_v2

    Pulling off 5/6 superheroes in one film is a bastard - and non-nerds won't know who Hawkeye is Secondly, a hero is only as good as the villain (the main reason behind ALL the shitty comic book movies. Go ahead and pick one.). And it's going to need a great villain (s) to challenge that line-up. And then there's the quintessential "big fight". In a comic book it's easy to have a mass battle between 20 characters, it's a lot harder to do in a movie, but the characterisation and plot (and fanboys) will likely demand it. There's also the danger of Thor or Captain America flopping. Thor isn't well known outside of "comic-book land", and Captain America could struggle overseas with all that flag-waving. So without even going into plot, we've got 10 (ish) characters who are going to need attention. No film has ever pulled off that many characters AND a plot/subplots/origins/love story/and anything else they chuck 2 hours? Only if it's a massive success will we see JL.

  • to make "The Avengers" before Thor or Captain America come out. (I'm not saying that this is the smartest thing creatively, only budget wise.) Of course, it sets up the risk that Cap and Thor might flop and then they have another expensive film already made that nobody seems to want to see. I think they're probably pretty safe there, but it's still a gamble. But everyone assumed the cast would be pricey for an Avengers film because, when it was first stated that they planned on making one, everyone thought that the other franchises would have already been released by then. If they blew up as big as Iron Man, then you'd suddenly have at least 3 stars that were vital to massive franchises who could all command top dollar. Then if you cast other famous actors for the other heroes, you'd be looking at an insanely expensive cast. Instead, Marvel took a page from the "film your sequels back-to-back to save money strategy" and decided to film Avengers before they released any new major franchise heroes. Plus, when offering actors the chance to headline a possibly star-making franchise, they're sure to negotiate multiple picture deals ahead of time. So really, the budget isn't in too bad of shape from the cast. As mentioned, there are plenty of films released with greater star wattage than this one. Now, doing special effects for all of those heroes and coming up with action sequences that seem impressive enough without breaking the bank... that's an entirely different budget concern, I'll grant you. That's where some fancy writing by Whedon could really pay off.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Usual Suspects, Oceans 11

    by deelzbub

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Maria Hill casting...

    by Triple_J_72

    ... Missy Peregrym perhaps? :-)

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 7:03 p.m. CST

    goldentribe + "Feminist Bullshit"

    by blackflowerX

    Please ...Just shut the fuck up, you sound like you should live in Bedrock.

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Anna from 'V' for Maria Hill!

    by jazzylg

    Perfect fit!

  • Feb. 3, 2011, 9:37 p.m. CST

    lemure_v2: "Thor isn't well known outside of "comic-book land"

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    And you wrote that comment on a Thorsday ;)

  • Feb. 4, 2011, 7:51 a.m. CST

    riley martin - you are an idiot....

    by CullenisPrime

    the next time you want to be witty you may want to get the racist ref right. So what you are saying is that because of what sam jackson is doing now (movie wise) makes him spend money before he even has it?

  • Feb. 4, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Fourth vote for Carol Danvers

    by Reelheed

    If this is following the 'Ultimate Universe' style guide. Besides this picture needs a blonde (played by a ginger/brunette obviously)

  • Feb. 4, 2011, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Captain America 2

    by Brigon

    I see the second Cap film as having a Godfather II style structure. Two storylines, one in the present and one set back in the 40s. Both would share a common plot thread (likely relating to a Red Skull or Zola plot). Cap learns something from his experience in the 40s (maybe someone dies due to a decision he makes for a greater good), which he applies to the encounter in the present.

  • Feb. 5, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Keep your heads in the sand, chimps!

    by golden tribw

    That is all.

  • Feb. 7, 2011, 4 p.m. CST


    by DCRex

    @cobra--kai what the fuck are you talking about? First of all, Robert Downey Jr is going to be in the avengers in a major way. The plot at the end or IM2 made it seem like he wouldn't be involved but Iron Man is one of the founding members of the team and will be a HUGE part of the movie. As for Edward Norton being recast to Mark Ruffalo and him being a no name actor? Ridiculous. The man is up for an ACADAMY AWARD for best supporting actor as is Jeremy Renner from The Town who will be playing Hawkeye. They are not cutting out Scarlett Johansen from the movie. She appeared at comic con "assembling" with the other avengers and would not have been had she not been in the movie. This casting will be an entirely different character, most likely Mariah Hill. Maybe if you read anything about these movies beyond the tidbits you gather here and there you wouldn't make such ridiculous posts. I am not attacking you for being uninformed. There is nothing wrong with that. It's simply that you are uninformed and making all these statements which are ridiculous. Geez. End of rant.