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So Henry Cavill, Our New Superman, Was Almost McG's Superman!! + Learn Who Else Was In The Running (Winklevi!)

 

Merrick here...

Yesterday we learned that Henry Cavill had been cast in Zack Snyder's new SUPERMAN movie.  

Over at The Hollywood Reporter, Borys Kit has this brief-but-interesting piece about Cavill's casting - naming other actors who came close to landing the gig.  Seems Cavill getting the part was, in large part, pre-destined.  

Interestingly, Cavill was on McG's short list when the director was poised to take on the SUPERMAN franchise a few years back.  When McG's involvement with that project waned (allegedly because McG was too scared to fly to required meetings, locations, and destinations), Bryan Singer came aboard and cast the picture his way - bringing us the underappreicated Brandon Routh and an otherwise lackluster film.  

Sounds like Cavill came back onto Supes' radar when he caught Christopher Nolan's eye while trying to land the role of Bruce Wayne in BATMAN BEGINS.  Nolan, of course, directed BATMAN BEGINS - and was a key component in getting this new SUPERMAN relaunch off the ground.  

Late last year, many indications pegged Matthew Goode as a Superman front runner - Goode previously worked with Snyder on WATCHMEN, in which he played Adrian Veidt (Ozymandias).  THR's sources say that Goode was "Cavill's closest competitor this time around"  - so I guess those rumors were, indeed, correct.  Other actors who considered include Matthew Bomer  (on television's CHUCK, TRU CALLING, and GUIDING LIGHT), Joe Manganiello (Sookie's Werewolf escort on TRUE BLOOD), Colin O'Donaghue (who's currently on the big screen in THE RITE), and the magnificent Armie Hammer  - recently seen as The Winklevi in THE SOCIAL NETWORK. Famously, Hammer was cast as Batman in George Miller's now-defunct-mega-epic JUSTICE LEAGUE CGI movie.  Hammer...yeah.  I can totally see him as a superhero  -  he would've made an amazing Superman/Kent as well.  Someone give him a good superhero role!  

You can find more details, including examples of Nolan's secrecy, in Mr. Kit's article HERE

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  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST

    first

    by Orion

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST

    British Invasion

    by EastcoastAvenger

    "Up, up and away mate"!

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST

    I was just skimming the article

    by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls

    I thought it said Hammer, as in MC Hammer, was up for the role of Batman. That would have been an interesting take on the character.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Brandon Saint Randy

    by mav07

    Poor Routh indeed, what a bummer for him

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:22 a.m. CST

    British Superman? Okay.

    by Kevservo

    Just cast Americans as the next Doctor and James Bond and we'll call it even. :-)

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:24 a.m. CST

    How ironic that McG wanted to direct a Superman movie...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...and yet he's afraid to fly...

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Also, after seeing the latest AICN animation...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...I'm begging you for a return of the Human Centipede one... please, for the love of all that's holy... just get rid of this new one...

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:27 a.m. CST

    so thats Brits as Batman, Superman and Spider-Man now.

    by misnomer

    thats pretty cool.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Why do i always see stories on JoBlo...

    by phifty2

    ...and then twenty minutes later they're here?

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST

    We suffered Costner as Robin Hood

    by Lone Fox

    You can never make reparations for that. At least British actors try to get the accent right.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST

    betterlookingthanyou, it's a movie scene...

    by Somerichs

    Think Jack Nicholson...

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:34 a.m. CST

    You mean Matthew Bomer of "White Collar"?

    by Chewtoy

    The show he's currently the lead star of?

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Matthew Goode?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Why not go all the way with it and have it star Maggie Q as Superman.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:35 a.m. CST

    the corner animation...

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    is from Cabin Fever right? the movie that AICN praised? the movie where a guy who loved a girl since forever fingerraped her while she slept? or maybe its from that 30 Seconds to Mars video "the Kill"? i dunno, but i would think masswyrm wouldve been in moriartys place since he loves homo-erotic avatars/pics

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST

    The Shining, folks...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...that's the "inspiration" for the animation... [shudders horribly]

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:42 a.m. CST

    I'm surprised so many people don't recognize that Shining bit.

    by Chewtoy

    What, is it edited out for television or something?

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Brandon Routh

    by Corman

    One of the biggest myths of the last few years, in my humble opinion, is that Brandon Routh was "underappreciated" or even "good" as Superman/Clark Kent. He seems like a nice guy, but he exhibits a total lack of screen presence, and his performance was very wooden and one-dimensional. Routh wasn't "bad," but he brought no real weight or charisma to the role. Granted, Christopher Reeve was a tough act to follow, and Routh was given a pathetic screenplay, an ugly costume and poor direction from Bryan Singer (in a lackluster story that had basically no chance regardless of who directed it), but still, his performance just wasn't that great. I think it's time to give someone else a chance to wear the cape.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:50 a.m. CST

    How can these younglins not remember the shining

    by David Cloverfield

    But remember what AICN wrote about random movies. Priorities people!

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Hmmmm

    by alex

    Giving choice British Icons to American actors? They already have. Sherlock Holmes and Robin Hood.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:54 a.m. CST

    we want to know who the supervillain will be!

    by Judge Briggs

    please, please let it be either Brainiac or Darkseid (yes, wishful thinking)

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST

    never seen the shining in its entirety

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    but i seen the Simpsons paraody of it. that counts a little, right? PS: I still think it should be Massawyrm in it

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:56 a.m. CST

    but in hindsight

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    that 30 Seconds to Mars video did pay homage to the Shining. so, yea it all makes sense now

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Mixed blessing

    by MapMan

    So if McG was not afraid to fly we would've been treated to his Superman McMovie. Instead we got Bryan Singer's ambitious misfire. Moot point now but I'm glad they went with Singer instead. I wouldn't trust McG with such a project despite how Singer's turned out. From those ashes hopefully a good movie will arise.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST

    kevservo, we're already even

    by DonLogan

    American Robin Hood, American Sherlock Holmes, American Sweeney Todd, American Lara Croft... Never mind an American Beatrix Potter, American Jane Austen, American Bridget Jones, American Mary and Anne Boleyn, fucking Dick Van Dyke...

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST

    British Levi Johnston will be okay as Superman

    by SifoDyasJr

    I'm more worried about the director involved. At least following "Superman Returns" the bar has been lowered quite a bit.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Armie Hammer-

    by krabklaw

    Maybe he could be Hank Pym if the Edgar Wright Ant-Man movie ever happens. He looks the part I think.(And Alison Brie for Janet Van Dyne)

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Coulda been George Miller

    by Vern

    It kills me that George Miller almost made that awesome movie and almost everybody on here wanted to burn him at the stake at the time because they didn't know who the people were he was casting and they seemed young. Now that you've seen who Armie Hammer is you fellas oughta be sending him and Miller apology cards. But Merrick, it wasn't a CGI Justice League, that was some fake news that got spread around due to confusion and lack of journalistic standards. I thought you guys already debunked that a couple times, including with your various reports about Weta making the costumes. Read Quint's interview with Hammer where he talks about trying on the costume and all the training that was done, including the guy playing Aqua Man swimming with dolphins. At no point does he say "and then they were gonna animate a movie based on that." (To be clear, it was Armie Hammer who tried on the costume and trained to be Batman, not Quint. I think.)

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST

    This notion that Supes is an American is fucking retarded...

    by Peter Franks

    He's a KRYPTONIAN, you flag waving, "America is the be all, end all" fucking assholes. Perhaps if you would take a moment to unwrap yourselves from that piece of cloth you hold so dear and actually travel OUTSIDE your country, you'd learn that there's a much larger world out there. Patriotism does not have to mean nationalist isolationism.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Snyder should put Red Son to film...

    by Peter Franks

    as a lovely little missive to those who believe the United States to be the center of the fucking universe.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Hammer will still play Batman

    by bat725

    Nolan and Bale are done after the next film. There's no reason why WB wouldn't hire him to play Batman in the next installment, with the full intention of doing a JLA movie, eventually.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    A British Superman? An American Holmes? It's a world gone mad!

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    British lads now play Superman, Batman AND Spider-man, while we yanks get our hands on Sherlock Holmes and Robin Hood? Hmmm. I suppose Superman is an alien from Krypton, so that's okay, but he's as an American icon and creation as apple pie and White Castle hamburgers. Now I hear they're thinking about shooting the new Superman movie in Canada? Is there no sanity left in world? I'm pretty sure shooting a Superman movie in Canada is one of the Seven Signs.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    He's British? So fucking what

    by KarlKolchak

    Superman's not American. He's from fucking Krypton. He's an ALIEN. What about Christian Bale as Batman?

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Guiding Light?!?

    by BWOzar

    How the hell do you mention Guiding Light before White Collar...?

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    "examples of Snyder's secrecy"

    by mynamesdan

    there weren't any examples whatever!

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Clark Kent was raised by Americans

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Nature/Nuture. Unless Madonna raised him, he should be pretty all American even if he's from Krypton.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:26 p.m. CST

    @ PETER FRANKS

    by mansuper

    Technically Supes's ethnicity would be Kryptonian-American.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Technically, mansuper...

    by Peter Franks

    "American" is not an ethnicity, you fucking tosser. Crack a book.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Dolph Lundgren as Dakeseid

    by Spandau Belly

    Come on, you internet guys have the power, make it happen.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:40 p.m. CST

    The preferred nomenclature is Kryptonian American

    by slone13

    To suggest he's NOT American is utterly preposterous.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Wait, Superman is kinda gay

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Maybe he is British. It would explain a lot.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    So, the crux is Nolan and McG have similar tastes?

    by Subtitles_Off

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    ARMIE Hammer is The Flaming Carrot!!!

    by Tikidonkeypunch

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Superman isnt kinda gay

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    he is gay. i think he was the 1st person i ever called gay. and i grew up when HeMan was popular.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:45 p.m. CST

    It's called ACTING for a reason.

    by Peter Franks

    No one is suggesting that the CHARACTER of Superman was not raised in the United States, slone13, or the rest of you xenophobic assholes. Cavill is an ACTOR hired to play a part. *sigh* The fucking idiocy that abounds on this board is truly astounding at times.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Still think he wrong for the part...

    by jack Bauer

    AT least 2 of the turned down people would have suited the role better. This blokes too short and if shooting starts in 4 months he's got a hell of a lot of weight to put on. Look at the state Brandon was in, way too thin for the man of steel. I hope it works out, looking at the Spidey remake I can only hope they get THIS right, spideys costume is shockingly bad. And while I'm at it, X-Men looks a bit non plus, hearing it will deal with the young mutants angst didn't help matters, while I don't mind the notion of how they mould by being 'different' is one thing but if its going to go for the Twilight lovey dovey crap then its going to be a sick fest. Btw, Magneto looks just wrong, with that silly costome and the over sized helmet I just can't get the image of Rick Moranis as Dark Helmet from Space Balls out of my mind.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Peter Franks

    by ComSamVimes

    100% correct. I can not believe this is even an issue with people. At all. If the movie is good or bad, it will have nothing to do with the nationality of any of the actors. Good Lord.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 1:02 p.m. CST

    beyonce knowles....

    by emeraldboy

    should be wonderwoman....but she cant act for toffee

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST

    this just in!

    by maxwell's hammer

    self-proclaimed film fans scrutinize movies and form rock-solid opinions of them prior to even a single frame of footage being shot!

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    "Superman isnt kinda gay, he is gay. i think he was the 1st person i ever called gay. and i grew up when HeMan was popular. "<p> Hahahaha! You got a chuckle outta me for that one!

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 1:19 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Ooh! Ohh Merrick - calling SUPERMAN RETURNS "lacklustre" now are we?!<p> Don't make me post up the aicn reviews at the time... "Finest superhero film EVER made"... "the Lord Of The Rings of Superhero films".. "Damn near perfect"...<p> Gotcha! You revisionist little fuckers.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Maybe Nolan/Goyer's new spin on Supes was...British!!

    by performingmonkey

    Maybe he won't even be raised in America?? Tbh I wouldn't be against them binning off the whole original mythology. We have already seen this in past movies and series. What if Clark's backstory is COMPLETELY different?? Not the Smallville farmboy we already know enough about. He could still be raised by Martha and Jonathan Kent, just in an English village somewhere...right?? Hmmmm. Whatever, this has to be different to Singer's boner for Donner's movie.

  • And I also posted something on that Arnie Hammer interview basically saying something like I find it kinda funny now how people on here is praising hammer but a few years ago was getting lambasted about his casting as Batman. I admit I knew nothing about Hammer..but I had trust in Miller. That interview was an interesting read or like how he had Arnie seperated from the rest of the cast for the most part to make him feel more like an outside etc. There was also a good read on Wonderman in EW about 2 month ago..had a few lines of dialogue from the GM JL movie..I thought it was pretty good. But wait so it wasnt true about WETA making the outfits/costumes? I always thought it was..that is one thing I had always wanted to see.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Adrian Veidt looks like Seth Meyer after working out for about 40 minutes.

    by Cletus Van Damme

    That is to say I'm glad he wasn't cast.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    by betterlookingthanyou

    by thecheesegrommit

    Merrick was being humorous by "Pluraling" Winklevoss creating Winklevi. Be careful throwing around the dumbass tag.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST

    I love how it is now commonplace to bash Superman Returns

    by TheMcflyFarm

    It was a really really good film with a couple issues. Stop pretending it wasn't.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Armie Hammer for

    by boardbrtn

    Guy Gardener! Why not? I like it.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 1:37 p.m. CST

    He's fucking Anglo like all brits and Americans. No

    by UltraTron

    genetic difference. Fuck off

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Armie Hammer

    by JDanielP

    Warner Bros. should really find the right superhero picture for this guy, either as Superman or Batman. Take your pick.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    "I love how it is now commonplace to bash Superman Returns"

    by Astronut

    "It was a really really good film with a couple issues. Stop pretending it wasn't." No... I just checked again to be sure and it pretty much sucks. So... no... it really was not a really really good film.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST

    astronut

    by TheMcflyFarm

    Nah it was good. You're mistaken.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns is not a bad film

    by MattmanReturns

    It's not a particularly great film either. It's just decent. It is not Batman and Robin. It's a very safe Superman movie in the vain of the first film, and it's biggest crime is that it takes no risks and never strays from that safe zone. Not sure why it gets so much hate here.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Nah. mcfly, you're nuts.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Sorry. True. RETURNS sucked. Routh sucked in it. The suit sucked. Routh sucked in the suit. Kate Bosworth. Yep. Suckage. The kid. That was one of "the issues" you begrudgingly admitted to, yes? Sucked. It really did. Who's pretending?

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Why does everyone hate superman returns?

    by baronweazle

    Sure it was a flop, but I still think it's an excellent film. Bryan Singer took the character serious, aknowledged the old classic Reeve films, had a great Lex Luthor in Kevin Spacey, and used John Williams Superman theme. Above all that, I think he's the only one ever, to give superman some personality. I truly thought then and think now that Singer's Superman is very underappreciated, but hey that's just one geek's opinion.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    It's not that SR was a particularly bad film...

    by Peter Franks

    it's just that it was so paint by numbers, and that Singer did nothing with the character. It's almost as though he was so fearful of doing something wrong, that he chose to do nothing with his addition to the Big Blue Boy Scout's universe. Not to mention that when the only real set-piece in your film has Supes "fighting" a fucking 747...yeah, that's a problem.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 2:02 p.m. CST

    It wont be an issue if he nails the dialect.

    by vic twenty

    Otherwise, it will annoy the $hit out of me. I fail to understand why in most cases (I'm looking at YOU AVATAR) they can't just cast the lead as an Aussie or a Brit or whatever the lead actor cast is most natural at. On Avatar, they should have made that call after about 10 minutes of dailies were shot. Good luck to them all. And thank God Matthew Goode didn't get it. I was in the Joe Mangienello (sic) camp on this one. But his name has too many vowels in it. And he was too tall and fit the profile too well.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 2:03 p.m. CST

    So a British Supes is raising alarms...

    by Audio_of_Being

    ...yet the fact that Matthew Goode, one of the biggest flaws in the Watchmen and an all around bad actor, was under serious consideration isn't raising eyebrows? Or the fact that Snyder is almost incapable of actually directing human beings? You "film lovers" have fucked up priorities...

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST

    message to Peter Franks

    by baronweazle

    "Not to mention that when the only real set-piece in your film has Supes "fighting" a fucking 747...yeah, that's a problem." touché

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 2:13 p.m. CST

    I loved Singer's Superman

    by Jungle Fish

    I can't be the only one, but I thought Superman Returns was great. Really great. I could never understand all the hate for it.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Who gives a shit if he's British?

    by MattmanReturns

    Bale's a brit, and a perfect Batman. Hugh Jackman's an Aussie, yet there is no better choice for Wolverine. These are ACTORS... they are playing people other than themselves.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Armie Hammer is now, will always be,

    by Mickster_Island

    a ridiculous name.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 2:19 p.m. CST

    About the casting....

    by drewlicious

    I guess it's not so much that it's a foreigner that got the part that gets me, in the end the best man probably got the job after all and it can't be helped where he came from, it's the fact that there must be something missing in the American talent pool that should be right up our alley. There were a few Americans in this bunch, and they've all done work I liked, but before their names came up I could barely think of that many American names that would fit the bill anyway. I can't help but think we lost the grasp on old school American machismo. Is this whole metrosexual thing to blame for the shortage?

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST

    LOL wow, Tom Welling wasn't even considered. Bastards.

    by Mike_D

    I guess 10 years of playing the part on television means pretty much nothing. Not even a nod.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST

    It was a weakened 747 too!

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Who gives a shit, mattman?

    by Peter Franks

    Xenophobic Americans, apparently. Wait until Fox "News" picks up the story. They'll be screaming from the fucking rafters how "un-American" it is to cast a Brit to play a FUCKING KRYPTONIAN. Nationalistic assholes abound around the globe, but the U.S. seems to have real issues with this phony patriotism. Superman, a FICTIONAL FUCKING SUPERHERO has to be an American, but we can (and do) happily send real American heroes to their deaths in needless wars for profit. Lovely set of priorities there, conservatives.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    mickster, you think his birth certificate reads "Armand"?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Because that'd be so absurd it would stuff ridiculous' head down a toilet and call it a wuss.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Americans who have played superheroes:

    by MattmanReturns

    From good to bad: Christopher Reeve - Nailed it. Edward Norton - Very good. Michael Keaton - Not bad (but not Batman). Tobey Maguire - Ugh. Ben Affleck - No comment. Nicolas Cage - Terrible, but funny. Halle Berry - Gut-wrenching. I'm sure I've missed a few.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    "10 years of playing the part on television"

    by Subtitles_Off

    is a horrible audition reels when that ten years is as bad as "Smallville." Plus, Tom Welling eats too many donuts. That's a huge catering expense.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns was boring and Brandon sucked

    by antonphd

    I watched it again a couple weeks ago. Haven't seen it since watching it in theaters. It was boring. I haven't seen people this bored in a superhero movies since Batman and Robin. And why shouldn't they be bored? They neutered Superman. And Brandon sucked as Superman. He looked like Superman. But that is it. I'm glad that Warner Bros is rebooting Superman.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Also, the suit in Superman Returns...

    by MattmanReturns

    The colors are slightly more muted, the emblem is smaller, and it has texture. Other than that, it's the same fucking suit. If you think it's gay, blame the comics. There is no drastic difference, I'm afraid.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST

    donlogan

    by ChickenStu

    "American Robin Hood, American Sherlock Holmes, American Sweeney Todd, American Lara Croft... Never mind an American Beatrix Potter, American Jane Austen, American Bridget Jones, American Mary and Anne Boleyn, fucking Dick Van Dyke..." Add to that "U-571" in which Americans captured the Enigma coding machine and not the brits... Funny thing? No one in England actually minded. No one complained about it. I for one never even thought about it until I saw the slating Cavill's getting on here, JUST for the country he was born in!

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST

    "Why does everyone hate superman returns?"

    by Astronut

    For one, Singer shot his wad with the plane sequence (which admittedly was superb). You don't have the most intense, explosive, amazing stuff take place midway through an action film. Two, Spacey was flat. Three, the kid was a risky move, I'll give Singer credit for that, but it did not work. Four, Superman should have punched some shit. Five, I'm sorry but if you really believe that Singer's version of Superman was the only version to project "personality" then you really do not know what you are talking about. I think it's safe to say Routh was dealt a bad hand and came off as fairly wooden thanks to poor dialog and a very safe plot. SR has a few great moments but they do not add up to save the film as a whole. Not even close. And I say this as a big fan of Superman in general. I really hope Snyder delivers the goods, complete with Superman ripping a building out of the ground and using it as a ball bat to hit Darkseid or Doomsday or SOME super-powered being that will give him a run for his money. NO MORE LAND DEALS! WE'RE SICK OF IT!

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Superman's "personality" on screen

    by Astronut

    And oh, and did I mention... the ten minute scene in Donner's film with Lois interviewing Superman depicts him as having MORE "PERSONALITY" THAN ALL OF THE OTHER SUPERMAN FILMS COMBINED. ALL OF THEM COMBINED! Sorry 'bout the all caps thing but I had to.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Re: chickenstu: You're kidding, right?

    by Chewtoy

    "No one in England actually minded. No one complained about it." Nobody complained? Jesus... that's all I ever heard about U-571... "How dare the Yanks steal credit for the enigma!" Regardless of the fact that enigma machines were captured at multiple points throughout the war and remained valued targets, and that Americans did capture at least one of them. The filmmakers tried to justify that their film was fiction and that the enigma machine was just a macguffin to explain why they couldn't just give up their mission and hit the life rafts... but the Brits would have none of it. Then go into the various uproars over American casting in other films, right up to Rowling outright *forbidding* any American actor from appearing in a Harry Potter film, and really... Americans getting upset about this stuff are coming late to the party. It's stupid on either side of the Atlantic, but lets not pretend it's some new thing only Yanks are doing.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Armie Hammer should be Booster Gold

    by Boscorooty

    In a Keith Giffen League movie.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST

    I have two British friends who despised U-571

    by MattmanReturns

    for that very reason. They are just as nasty about this stuff as we are.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Goddammit.

    by UltimaRex

    Armie Hammer was robbed.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Routh really was great, it should have been him.

    by dr sauch

    Oh well.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    No drastic difference.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Um, except for all the drastic differences I just mentioned. Color, dude? Color doesn't matter? He's a frikken comic book character! Color is the main thing he's got going for him. Shitty, brownish red and turquoise. As opposed to bright blue and red. That's the very definition of drastic.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST

    yep

    by smitme

    Yeah i thought superman returns was great. I wanted to see a sequel with his boy etc

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Xenophobia, Mr. Bond?

    by Zardoz

    For me, it's not so much that he's a Brit, but the fact that so many American heroes are being played by Brits, when the opposite is NEVER a possibility, i.e., an American playing a Brit character. For example, look at the casting of James Bond; I'm pretty sure no American was even considered for that role. Also, Harry Potter and any other character in those films: all British. (As it should be, really!) The one exception for Yanks playing British characters is when American women play non-iconic, English characters, and usually it's Gwyneth Paltrow. (The other is Natalie Portman!) And for the record, most Brit's American accents suck. They just take out the "British"-ness of their own accents, make it bland and boring and call it "American". Bullshit! America has many distinct, regional dialects and I've never heard one Brit, male or female, get one right.

  • I swear this reads like a joke. Am I right?

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    subtitles_off

    by MattmanReturns

    Compared to changes the comics themselves have applied to Superman's costume over the years (look at his first appearance compared to now... not to mention that fagtastic lightning outfit he had for a little while), it's not nearly as drastic an alteration. But I always thought Supes' outfit was kind of gay to begin with, so it might be difficult for me to distinguish the elevated levels of gayness. This is probably blasphemy, but I would like to see the black costume with silver logo for this movie. I always thought that looked badass.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    We should be going to Jurassic Park 13 this summer

    by SmokingRobot

    Instead of talking about what brit actor gets to wear red tights. To paraphrase Roy Batty, 'I want more dinosaurs, FUCKER'.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST

    chewtoy

    by ChickenStu

    No one in the UK gave a shit about U-571, simply cause there was another film about the same subject called "Enigma" which was more true to history. That fanned a LOT of flames! As for Harry Potter I'll tell you something: I think Daniel Radcliffe is a fucking ATROCIOUS actor, and when the original film was getting ready to go before cameras, everyone in the UK wanted to see Haley Joel Osment do it. And to this day, I still wish he did. H.G Wells' novel "The War Of The Worlds" is set in 19th Century England, and many fans of the book wanted to see a version which was faithful to that time and setting. When Spielberg did his modern day version with Tom Cruise, set in present day America, at the same time, there was an English version that came out that was faithful to the book. I've seen a bit of it. And all I can say is give me the yank version ANY day! Come on man, don't make me out to be some kind of bad guy here.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST

    braindrain

    by ChickenStu

    That's not true man. I liked "Tron: Legacy". Bet that's confused you hasn't it?

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns sucked donkey balls

    by Nico Toscani

    FACT

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST

    I liked Superman Returns... BUT

    by ChickenStu

    Bryan Singer approached it all wrong. By making it a sequel to the Reeve movies, he ignored an additional 30 years of comic book history. After reading John Byrne's "Man Of Steel" series, in which Luthor is changed into being a corrupt buisnessman, rather than a maniacal crook with delusions of granduer - it was bit dissapointing to see a Luthor who was AGAIN obsessed with land. The whole thing about him having a son was a nice idea - but I'm glad now that they've moved away from it and are starting afresh. Still think Brandon Routh deserved another chance though.

  • So, British actors are now leading Batman, Spiderman and Superman. There's a new Bond coming out. The final Harry Potter will make crazy money, and The Hobbit has cast practically the whole fucking BBC. We have certainly come a long way from Hugh Grant.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 4:16 p.m. CST

    If Tom Welling were any more wooden

    by Snookeroo

    he'd have knot holes on his ass cheeks. Brandon Routh seems like a nice guy, but he's one-note and looks more like a basketball player than The Man of Steel. Don't know a thing about this Cavill dude, but at least he looks the part - which is the biggest leap forward in Superman cinema in 30 years.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Gimme ALL Brits.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Anything to keep Shia LeBeef and Will Smiff out of work.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 4:22 p.m. CST

    They COULD'VE done this with Routh...

    by ChickenStu

    By saying "Having Routh in the part would confuse audiences" they are kind of implying that audiences are stupid. Just a quick paragraph on the back of the DVD/Blu-Ray case could've explained everything... "Brandon Routh returns as Superman, in an explosive new adventure from the director of "Watchmen" - which heralds a new dawn, and a new beginning for the most popular and enduring superhero in pop culture history! The legend begins here." Done.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST

    phifty2: If you read the article, you would know that...

    by Executor

    ...you actually would have read it first at Borys Kit's heatvisionblog at the Hollywood Reporter. But don't let the facts get in the way of your snarky moronic comment.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Armie Hammer? There's still "The Flash"

    by ChickenStu

    Just a thought...

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Cavill was almost James Bond too

    by Koborover

    He was Martin Campbell's pick to play an actually young rookie 007 in Casino Royale.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 5:09 p.m. CST

    My apologies, chickenstu...

    by Chewtoy

    When you have a cool English accent we Americans always pick you to play the bad guy. Blame Alan Rickman for being so awesome.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Chewtoy... you are too kind...

    by ChickenStu

    There is nothing remotely cool about being English. Especially when I have french heritage aswell. That DOES mean I'm crap in bed, but AT LEAST I've got bad breath!

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Armie Hammer should've been Captain America

    by Monolith_Jones

    Chris Evans could have been The Flash. Hell, maybe he will be.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Armie Hammer for the Flash?

    by brocknroll

    Marvel is still getting their Flash movie in the works I believe. If Armie Hammer is looking for a superhero role, then the Flash might work well for him.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    so who will be Lois Lane? Suggestions?

    by frenetik1

    personally, i think they should cast someone older-looking than cavill's clark/superman (not by much -- 5yrs max) to establish the maturity of the character. lois lane cannot be a girl ... she must be all WOOman! nor can she be hot -- but rather, uniquely attractive. it would be a massive bonus if she has a lower/smoky-sounding voice; which would mean they'd probably have to cast another brit (sorry, but most american actresses sound too shrilly for my taste). I'm thinking Emily Blunt or Julia Stiles ... what about y'all?

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Ryan Reynold's should've been The Flash.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Chris Evans can stay Captain America, because I don't give a s#!t. Garfield could be Billy Batson. We need another Spider-man like we need zero calorie soda pop. Green Lantern could be all CGI for all it seems to matter. Armie Hammer should stay away from superheroes. Kid might have a career in real movies.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 6:48 p.m. CST

    For once can we have a hot Lois Lane on film?

    by MattmanReturns

    Like Mary Jane, Lois is impossibly hot (which makes her goofiness all the more amusing). Teri Hatcher and Erica Durance have done the character justice, but the movie versions not so much.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 6:55 p.m. CST

    I'd pick Kate Beckinsale for Lois, as long as we're going Anglo

    by CountryBoy

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 6:57 p.m. CST

    zardoz: Americans and Bond

    by DonLogan

    "For me, it's not so much that he's a Brit, but the fact that so many American heroes are being played by Brits, when the opposite is NEVER a possibility, i.e., an American playing a Brit character. For example, look at the casting of James Bond; I'm pretty sure no American was even considered for that role." American born Barry Nelson was the first actor to portray James Bond in a 1954 adaptation of Casino Royale John Gavin - The American Gavin actually signed a contract with EON to be the new James Bond in 1970, after George Lazenby but Connery returned. James Brolin - It is well documented that Brolin screen tested opposite Maud Adams before Moore agreed to return to "Octopussy". American born Patrick McGoohan was offered the role twice but turned it down. The Brolin screentests are on youtube.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Kansas accent?

    by Nem_Wan

    Christopher Reeve was from New York City and grew up in New Jersey. If you didn't know better you might think someone from there could have a totally wrong accent. Give the individual a chance.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 7:33 p.m. CST

    "At least British actors try to get the accent right. "

    by rev_skarekroe

    Well, except for Jonathon Pryce in G.I. Joe. What the hell was that all about?

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Agreed - Hammer Should've been CAP, because

    by TinkerTIW

    ...he looks much more like the comic book Steve Rogers than Evans ever will. (Like Garfield looks much more like Peter Parker than TM ever did.) 'Sides, Evans already had his Marvel moment with Johnny Storm. 'Nuff said.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 8:12 p.m. CST

    kate beckinsale's too old -- try Rebecca Hall!

    by frenetik1

    that is, if we're playing the anglo-angle. btw -- i've just added ms. hall to my previously posted Lois Lane wish-list (which included Emily Blunt and Julia Stiles -- i.e. the thinking-man's sexy). i'll probably have a dozen more suggestions by night's end.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Kristen Stewart for Lois Lane

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    apparently she read for the role... I hope she gets it so then I can have NO interest in the movie fuck you Superman and fuck you Captain America (even though I will see Captain America only because of the continuity Marvel is establishing, which I fully appreciate)

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 8:26 p.m. CST

    i hope bizarro is the bad guy

    by stu_pickles

    bring back the action/twin movies. like double impact and.... double impact. awesome

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 8:28 p.m. CST

    It's a shame Dana Delany never got to play a live-action Lois.

    by Chewtoy

    I thought she brought the perfect tone to the Superman Animated Series Lois. And she was always damn hot.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 8:30 p.m. CST

    When are the talkbackers going to own up?

    by hallmitchell

    That they might have been wrong in slagging of Justice League: Mortal. I have not seen one.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Katie Holmes as Lois

    by hallmitchell

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Doug Jones as Brainiac

    by hallmitchell

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 8:31 p.m. CST

    stu_pickles

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    I usually hate TBers with underscores in their handles, but you sir got good taste. and yes, we need more Double Impactish movies.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Dana Delaney...

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    Ill let her sit on my back butt naked... I think Exit to Eden was the 1st movie to give me a boner. if only I knew what to do with it then PS: Rosie ODonnell looked kinda fuckable in her leather outfit

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 8:42 p.m. CST

    American Bonds

    by Zardoz

    Interesting points, but ultimately the parts all went to Brits, nevertheless. As to Barry Nelson, technically he didn't play James Bond, he played "Jimmy Bond" and he was an American version of the British spy. (And it was for American TV, done before Cubby Broccoli had the rights for the theatrical film versions)

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 8:43 p.m. CST

    yourstepdaddy

    by stu_pickles

    the more van damme the better, and the more ridiculous this movie ends up the more entertaining it will be. hopefully.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 8:49 p.m. CST

    complain that he's British

    by Adelai Niska

    It's not like Batman, Spider-man, Wolverine, Green Lantern, Xavier, Magneto, Jean Grey, Punisher or the Hulk have been played (or currently are being played) by non-Americans.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 8:53 p.m. CST

    stu_pickles on Van Damme

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    Van Damme is the shit. Im mad that I was flippin through the channels and saw Cyborg was coming off. fucking CYBORG! PS: remember when Van Damme played an American in the form of Guile? talk about foreign casting

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 8:59 p.m. CST

    and there's the proof that it works amazingly

    by stu_pickles

    and raul julia is, was and forever will be a god.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 9:08 p.m. CST

    If Chris Evan can play to characters then Routh needs...

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    to be Kyle Rayner or Dick Grayson.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 9:43 p.m. CST

    superman definitely is "american"

    by CrashPanda

    he's an illegal alien, literally. can't get more "american" than that. in all good fun. why should it matter? they are actors. people who pretend to be other people. brits play americans, americans play brits, aussies play canadians, canadians play americans. it's called acting. rdj is sherlock holmes. i think we're about balanced out now.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 9:52 p.m. CST

    ARMIE HAMMER SHOULD HAVE BEEN CAPTAIN AMERICA

    by J-Dizzle

    At least he wouldn't have looked like a complete pouty pussy.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 9:53 p.m. CST

    ARMIE HAMMER SHOULD HAVE BEEN CAPTAIN AMERICA

    by J-Dizzle

    At least he wouldn't have looked like a complete pouty pussy.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Good point about RDJ as Sherlock

    by Zardoz

    I forgot about him. (Mostly because the movie was SO forgettable!)

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Hammer as Aquaman

    by Shubniggorath

    YES make him a badass master of hyperbole !like in The Brave and the Bold

  • cause i couldnt really think of anyone that good but know that you mention mathew goode im really pissed because he would have been awesome

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:20 p.m. CST

    not all brits are anglo,scots welsh r celtic

    by scotsman75

    just reading the boards there and a few things need cleared up.robin hood played by a yank? wrong,russel crow is a kiwi who lives in australia.all brits are anglo? wrong again,scots and welsh r celtic.chrstain bale is welsh not english.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:21 p.m. CST

    all bonds are brits????

    by scotsman75

    wrong again,pierce brosnon is irish,ireland isnt part of britain its a republic.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:23 p.m. CST

    AS PER USUAL,YANKS THINK BRITS MEANS ENGLISH

    by scotsman75

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:29 p.m. CST

    LITTLE GEOGRAPHY LEASON FOR THE YANKS

    by scotsman75

    BRITAIN IS MADE UP OF 3 COUNTRYS,SCOTLAND WALES AND ENGLAND. THE UK IS BRITAIN PLUS NORTHERN IRELAND.BRITAIN DOES NOT MEAN ENGLAND,IT IS THE UNION OF 3 COUNTRYS.

  • Jan. 31, 2011, 11:50 p.m. CST

    This just in : In the film, Superman will be American.

    by Se7en

    Jeeezzzzzzloieeezzzz People !

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Lois List...

    by thecomedian

    Mary Elizabeth Winstead- Great in Scott Pilgrim and such a good actress it took me a bit to figure out it she was the same girl from Sky High. Leighton Meester- Johnny Depp's very own X-23-like young female clone who I haven't actually seen act in anything. I've never caught an episode of Gossip Girl and I guess I'll catch Country Strong on netflix in 6 weeks when it's up. She looks cute in a subversive kinda way. Can she act? Minka Kelly- Everyone wants to fuck her. I've only seen her at the end of 500 Days of Summer. She's been up for all this TV stuff(Wonder Woman, Charlie's Angels) which tells me she's not really a movie actress. Nice ass, nice on the eyes. But Terri Hatcher will always be the "purely spank bank material" Lois Lane. Don't know if we need another. Zoe Deschanel- Speaking of 500 Days of Summer, she's been a fanboy fave forever for this role. I think she's past her it-girl prime for a role like this that will probably span 3 movies. She's cute but her Lois would just be her doing all her cutesy mannerisms she's done in other stuff and that will get annoying. Olivia Wilde- Should have been Catwoman. Could work as Lois but after Tron I want to see her in another physical role. She kind of reminds me of a waaaaay prettier Margot Kidder. Olivia Munn-....just fuckin' with you guys. Jenny McCarthy 2.0 without any of the actual comedic talent or timing. She has awesome boobs and she's good at pandering to geeks but watching her acting sometimes boarders on The Uncanny Valley. Allison Brie- Great young actress. Plays two completely difference characters on Community and Mad Men. Would be a perfect tiny Lois to make Cavill look all the more Super since he's like 6'1''.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Superman is Jewish

    by Keith

    Everybody knows that.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 12:59 a.m. CST

    American Bonds

    by Keith

    "Interesting points, but ultimately the parts all went to Brits, nevertheless." Yes, because as everybody knows, Australia and Ireland are both regions in Britain. One of the funniest things I ever read on these boards was an American poster suggesting that the next Bond could be French or German, because "he'd still have an accent". Now I know many Americans WOULD regard said poster as an utter tool, but you just know that a whole bunch of others would nodding at that, and perhaps wondering what life must be like when you have an accent, and if accents will one day be taught to children in America.

  • Ha ha, Oh yeah? Their gonna have some of that in this? If superman smacks someone like that with a building I will break my 5 year boycott of comic book movies.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Scotsman75

    by Keith

    "just reading the boards there and a few things need cleared up.robin hood played by a yank? wrong,russel crow is a kiwi who lives in australia.all brits are anglo? wrong again,scots and welsh r celtic." Wow, I had no idea that only one Robin Hood film had ever been made. It took people until 2010 to make a movie of Robin Hood? Incredible. "chrstain bale is welsh not english." No he isn't. He's English. He was born in Wales to English parents but stayed in Wales a grand total of 2 years, and was brought up mainly in England. J R R Tolkien was not South African. Amy Adams is not Italian. Martin Lawrence is not German.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 1:21 a.m. CST

    U-571

    by Keith

    "The filmmakers tried to justify that their film was fiction and that the enigma machine was just a macguffin to explain why they couldn't just give up their mission and hit the life rafts... but the Brits would have none of it." The Brits should make a movie about being the first nation to reach the moon, and then roll their eyes at all the American complaints. It wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't one of hundreds of Hollywood rewrites of history. Seriously, when you get legions of American kids on internet message boards who can tell you absolutely nothing about the second world war other than that "you'd all be speaking German if it wasn't for us" it can get pretty fucking grating seeing yet another movie in which all the Allies other than the USA are airbrushed out of history. This stuff is important. Most (not all) Americans, even if they know anything at all about WWII, have no fucking clue that almost all the fighting in the European theater was carried out by the Soviets, not the Americans (or even the Brits). And they think that D-Day was the moment the tide turned in the war. It wasn't. Its major legacy was the securing of western Europe from becoming outposts of the USSR; the Wehrmacht had no serious possibility of winning the war from the middle of 1943. Best case scenario even after a failed Overlord would have been the Red Army steamrollering Germany in early-to-mid 1946. Even David Ayer who wrote the screenplay for U-571 later admitted it made him uncomfortable helping put a blatant falsehood up on the screen.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 1:33 a.m. CST

    mrjonz72

    by Vern

    No, the Weta costumes were real I believe. What I meant is that the short-lived (until it was brought up again now) rumor about Justice League being CGI was debunked by the many other reports about Weta making the costumes, the actors trying on the costumes, etc.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 2:13 a.m. CST

    TO MRS DARCY

    by scotsman75

    IT WAS CLEARLY OBVIOUS THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE RECENT ROBIN HOOD. AND CHRISTIAN BALE WAS BORN IN WALES,THE PLACE U WERE BORN IS YOUR NATIONALITY,SO HE IS WELSH AS I SAID.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Superman returns was awful

    by StoryFirst

    In every way! The story presented no danger we could actually care about (I am can make new land! I am evil hahahaha); the concept that Superman returned from a hiatus wasn't fully explored (from where I stood that would have been a big deal); Luthor was again shown to be some camp school play villian (He could have been a villian in an Austin Power movie!) instead of the badass he should have been (Smallville got it right); the kid storyline (don't get me started) was just ill-conceived and...the film as a whole missed the point. The film is called Superman Returns. Lets see him return as SUPER! The problem was, he returned as mediocre at best. Brandon Routh was fine and a better Clark Kent than Superman. Kate whats-her-face was just plain awful as Lois. Kevin Spacey turned in the worst performance of his career. The others I can't even remember. Oh sorry I do - Kal Penn. Who in their right mind casts Kal Penn as a villian to SUPERMAN?!?!?!?! The film was a disaster in every respect. I do not apologise for hating Superman Returns. It was an insult to every comic fan out there and as a movie, a failure in all senses of the word. To sum it up. I saw Superman (the first one) as a kid and wanted to be Superman. I bought the comics and bought into the mythology. My nephew saw Superman Returns and looked at me afterwards and said: "You guys must have been really dull as kids if you actually thought Superman was actually cool." Fail.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Scotsman75

    by Vincent Gecko

    The place where you are born is NOT always one's nationality. I found this out at the Danish embassy going for triple citizenship. In many countries (especially in Europe) one of your parents must be a citizen to pass on citizenship to offspring regardless of country of birth. Babies born in America are always American but this is not always the case. Frankly, as far as Great Britian/UK/ whatever is concerned, the planet should have a "close enough - no PC crap" clause. I'm cool with occasionally being mistaken for every possible Asian ethnicity and have no sympathy with those blimeys sharing the same BS figurehead monarchy/language/whiteness etc... complaining about Welsh being different from British, Irish etc... Boo hoo.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 5:19 a.m. CST

    Superman is American

    by Vincent Gecko

    I'm reserving judgment on this new kid for when there's some performance there to judge Honestly, yeah, part of me would prefer Superman particularly being played by an American. There's that tinge of disappointment that there were no better American actors (all for Routh personally) for the role. It's a bit different than all these other comic characters they've been throwing around for a number of reasons. A big part of Superman's iconography is being American. A Kansas farm can only be in one country, it's specific. What state is Gotham in? Most people would have to look it up. How often is the American Flag part of Superman's motif? How often does he interact with the President? If Superman is depicted with an animal, which one is it? It's not a British Bald Eagle, I know that much. Spiderman is an outcast kid in NYC, Wolverine is Canadian, Batman is vengeance personified, Bond is a spy, Holmes is a detective, Superman is Truth, Justice and not God save the queen.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 5:55 a.m. CST

    Lois

    by jake the muss

    I'd take Zooey Deschanel or Jennifer Connelley as Lois Lane.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Superman is neither American nor Brit...

    by darthwaz1

    He's f*cking Kryptonian!! who cares where the actor is from who plays him!! Get over it ppl, that argument is retarded.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 9:25 a.m. CST

    I've always wondered something...

    by GroolDemon

    In the Superman films, if Clark Kent was raised on a farm in Kansas, why he didn't have sort of a country boy kind of accent? Not a southern accent per se, but people in Kansas and in the bread basket states do have that kind of lazy drawl when they talk. That said, changing his voice to be more commanding when he is flying around as Superman would add to the illusion that Clark and Supes are two different people would it not? Also, why not have Clark be a little slouchier and carry himself a lot more meekly. Use some charisma and facial expression tactics to literally "BE" different than Superman rather than just putting on the glasses, changing the hair a bit, and putting on some human clothes. I'd really like for once to totally believe a guy can pull off being two different people in these movies.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 9:36 a.m. CST

    In defence of McG

    by Smack_Teddy

    he did say it wasnt the flying thing its because he felt Superman should be shot in America, New York etc. & not compromise this principal over tax breaks or whatever...if thats true then he at least deserves acknowledgement for that. <p>That said i still believe the Superman movie he made would have been pretty cack and worse than Singers effort.<p>Also Arkam, stop whining about Gay stuff just because they beat you in a barbedwire fence pit cos your daddy wasnt around when you were little & it was chuffin tough up there...that said...you should know that Singers Superman was a gay Superman

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 9:38 a.m. CST

    betterlookingthanyou

    by Merrick

    In THE SOCIAL NETWORK, they are referred to in the plural - "The Winklevi" - by Esienberg/"Zuckerberg" on at least one occasion.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Enough of this "Supes ain't American" bullshit

    by Karl Hungus

    Kal-El landed in America, like many immigrants. He was raised in America by American parents in an American school with American friends. He works for an American newspaper in a major American city. He fights for "Truth, Justice and the American Way." Fine, he's Kryptonian-American. But he IS an American, regardless of his international (or even interplanetary) exploits.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Seriously Merrick???

    by Philvis

    Merrick you said, "bringing us the underappreicated Brandon Routh". Underappreciated? Sorry, but Brandon Routh is a horrible actor. Anything I've seen him in he's been dull and lifeless. I know you want to blame Superman Returns on the script or director, but after seeing him in a few movies and a tv show on NBC, I can safely tell you this...he's not a good actor. He may be the nicest guy in the world, but his acting skills just aren't there. The only emotion Routh can show in his acting is the "blah" emotion. Sorry Merrick, but just because Routh is "super" nice and shares his inner geek with y'all in interviews, doesn't mean he is an underappreciated actor. Face it...he's just not that good at what he does.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Scotsman75

    by Keith

    Bale is English, and you're an idiot.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 9:55 a.m. CST

    And I would say that Superman is American

    by Keith

    At least in part. He's one of those "child of two worlds" figures, who also thinks of himself as having two fathers. He took time listening to the teachings of Jor-El, but he also has the values of small-town America inculcated in him by Jonathan (and Martha) Kent. And he has two official names.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Gecko

    by Keith

    "complaining about Welsh being different from British, Irish etc" Welsh is a subset of British, Irish is not. If you're going to treat the Irish as British, may as well treat the Americans as British as well: after all, you speak English and are only a few hours across the water from London. So put your Union Jack waistcoat on.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Bunch of wankers...

    by Astronut

    I was hoping for lots of thought-provoking commentary on the new Superman film project — you know, story ideas, potential actor/actress candidates — but instead I get incessant whining about dialects and regions of the world. "He's from Britain!" "No, that's not the same place!" etc. On and on and on and on. Jesus. Can someone post something interesting about this film?

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST

    And yeah I used the term "wanker"

    by Astronut

    Even though I am a "yank."

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST

    well i guess thats why they call you astronut

    by Smack_Teddy

    your post was very funny fella.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 2:30 p.m. CST

    smack_teddy

    by Astronut

    why thank you. tee hee!

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST

    CHRISTIAN BALE IS WELSH

    by scotsman75

    NO ONES SAYING WALES ISNT PART OF BRITAIN,BUT IT ISNT ENGLAND.IF YOUR BORN IN WALES YOUR WELSH,END OF.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Superman and the UK

    by ChickenStu

    You know, here in the UK, Superman is very popular. The character has a long association with the UK, mainly since the films with Christopher Reeve were made here. "Lois And Clark" and "Smallville" are two of the most succesful American imported TV shows ever broadcast on our channels. "Superman Returns" did some of it's best box office here. Just let us have this yeah?

  • He's the chap that relaunched Superman for DC in 1986, creating the version of Lex Luthor that runs Lexcorp. Just thought it might be worth mentioning.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Scotsman

    by Keith

    "NO ONES SAYING WALES ISNT PART OF BRITAIN,BUT IT ISNT ENGLAND.IF YOUR BORN IN WALES YOUR WELSH,END OF." "End of" in your ignorant mind, but not in the real world. Martin Lawrence was born in Germany. Is he German? No, you clod, he's American, because his parents were American and he was raised in the USA. He carries an American passport. He's not even dual American-German; he's plain American. Bale has stated on several occasions that he's English. I think the guy knows better than you do what nationality he is.

  • Feb. 1, 2011, 8:08 p.m. CST

    WHAT? vern demoted???

    by Virgin Gary

    eh oh, eh, oh... woah woah woah, wait a sec... in the update to the new sight, vern somehow lost his black box?? fix that shit toute de suite, boys! he is your sight's biggest asset (even though he doesn't seem to really contribute articles anymore). (btw, i re-activated my account after about ten years just to post this).

  • Feb. 2, 2011, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Time for an American James Bond. It has to happen!

    by Snake Foreskin

    Too many Brits stealing the American superhero market. We have to fight back!