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Pointed Details, And More Confusion (?), About The ALIEN Prequel/Non-Prequel/Maybe Or Maybe Not Kinda-Prequelish PROMETHEUS!!
Merrick again...
There's been a lot of confusion regarding what, exactly, Ridley Scott's PROMETHEUS is - and The Powers That Be don't seem terribly eager to clear the air (nor should they be, necessarily).
At first we heard it was an ALIEN prequel, then we heard that that it wasn't so much a prequel as a project that was more or less unique unto itself (details HERE), although at the time Scott indicated something to the effect of "the keen fan will recognize strands of ALIEN’s DNA, so to speak..."
Now, sources for Sky.com are revealing a few more details about the project that, if correct, make Scott's comments somewhat amusing.
SPOILERY points of interest...
"They’ve built the ‘space jockey’ cockpit at Pinewood as seen in the original Alien film..."
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"...familiar HR Giger-style aliens do appear. Big ones apparently."
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"Part of the film will be shot in Morocco. I’ve heard that some sort of archeological dig where they discover alien DNA takes place there and that DNA gives them the coordinates for an alien world."
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"The main spaceship in the film will be piloted by an enormous head which I assume will be CGI. Yep, sounds weird but I assume some of the technology will be sort of biomechanical."
Find more details at Sky.
An enormous head? Like, what, The Face of Boe? That part, frankly, makes me a tad suspicious of this info...but we've heard repeatedly that this is a more "out there", "harder sci-fi" endeavor than the previous films, so we'll see.
And there you have it. With so much...lack of clarity...in the air regarding this movie, I don't even know what to say or how to qualify such details.
Other than: in my mind at least, one key strength of the ALIEN-verse...as we saw in every one of the existing quadrilogy...is the concept's flexibility and its ability to be plugged into multiple tones and interpretations. Me? I'm hoping Scott does make a film that is roundly unlike the other ALIEN pictures we've seen so far, but I'm also hoping he isn't desperate to stray too far from the essence and verse that have allowed previous installments to endure over the decades. If that makes sense...I got no sleep at all last night so I may be more rambling and confused than usual at the moment.
Thanks to Johnny for pointing us towards this.
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Seriously, this gets a bit: WAT
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That got me excited. I must be sick or something.
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Will this tie into AvP 1? Zordon will be piloting the ship?
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Jan. 27, 2011, 10:53 a.m. CST
Enormous Head in control - must be the return of Bill Shatner.
by Jeff Myers
Scott has made some f*cking awful films recently; I wouldn't watch Robin Hood again for a BJ off Angelina Jollie. And the Alien vs Predator films have almost KILLED off any serious interest. I say, let the whole idea just die. He'll never get the proper budget for his vision now anyway. And I'm a fan of the guy....
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The project seems to be shaping up. Any problems can be fixed in editing.
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Maybe it's a same universe, different story deal... with just some elements from the Alien story coming in to play, but those creatures not being the focus.
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We need a 'bad-ass' female character in each Alien movie? WHY?
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...prior knowledge of what to expect. Remember when we saw ALL movies like that? The downside of behind the scenes movie news is that's hard to be surprised anymore. I want to be surprised by this one, so from here on out I'm avoiding news of it.
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(Assuming all this is true, of course...) Ridley is fucking with us something fierce. Well done, Mr. Scott. This film has just become my most eagerly anticipated flick.
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What sounds like a huge budget, bat shit crazy sci-fi movie has me insane with anticipation. If its a prequel to Alien, well that's even better.
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http://tinyurl.com/4dme4vo
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Jan. 27, 2011, 11:12 a.m. CST
Could it be, perhaps, that this is some kind of coordinated, post-internet...
by WriteForTheEdit
...disinformation campaign, to repeatedly throw us off the trail? And just keep us guessing? If so, this is brilliant.
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Just hope Ridley goes back to his approach on the first one and makes this a HORROR movie that just happens to be set in space. All the seques were--with the exception of Aliens, which was a good action movie--complete shit
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Like a Marine, I mean.
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The ups and downs of the leaks so far have made the project more confusing and less interesting. I hope that Sir Ridley just gets down to production, cranks out a great film, and that no matter what universe it exists in, that it doesn't suck. That's about all the excitement I can muster anymore.
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I couldn't be more exited unless he announces he will film the foreverwar. I will give him gay sexual favors to see that happening.
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Imagine sitting down to watch Alien not knowing what to expect.
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...William Shatner as MODOK, the big head piloting the space ship.
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No more clickety-boo on articles with PROMETHEUS in the title. I did the same thing with TRON LEGACY and ended up loving it. Nebbishly dissecting and discussing every partial of an unknown quantity only sets up disappointment, because I have a far, far, far greater imagination than anyone can hope to match with their piddly mortal films. I want to preserve that sacred sense of discovery and excitement that I used to have in abundance, before the internet and sites like this. I want films to happen to me. Yeah, I'll still wade through and spout off about things, because that's a new pleasure, distinct. But I will close my eyes and ears and NEENER NEENER about some things. Like this. Good luck Ridley, I look forward to 2013.
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I get the feeling that this "enormous head" will be quite like the Guild Navigators as they were depicted in David Lynch's version of "Dune".
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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2711/4523526191_6617e34a6a_z.jpg
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Jan. 27, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST
Well We already have a giant head playing spider-man
by Redhead_Redemption
so 2012 is going to be the year of giant head in movies
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Doesn't mean I don't wanna see a movie about space jockey's!
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So when did Ted Danson sign on?
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Jan. 27, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST
darth_kong: are you actually a part of this production?
by WriteForTheEdit
And are part of the viral fanboy "get 'em excited" outreach program, posing as one of us? I really do hope so, because you've got some killer ideas... (go ahead and fess up to me; I won't tell anybody else, I promise...) If not, I hope Ridley's reading these threads and he hires you...
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So this is a "3rd Rock from the Sun" remake?
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just think about Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs. two completely different stories but with (maybe not so) subtle connections ie. Vega brothers
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I hope Space Jockeys are somehow involved.
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He has to be. Its the only thing that makes sense...
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We shouldn't know everythign about the movies before we watch them. We should know the least possible. I support the filmmakers' efforts to thrown constant misdirection about their movies. We should only be savvy about the movies WHEN WE WATCH THEM! That's how it should be.
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That movie is a one of a kind. Totally demented acid trip of a movie. I love it!
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That is the only answer we need.
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I'm in.
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Asi, ZARDOZ?!<p> I saw that movie when I was about 13 and really didn't 'get it'. Maybe I was too young but I remember thinking it was pretty darn awful (as opposed to movies like OUTLAND, LOGANS RUN and ALIEN which at that age I absolutely loved).<p> Is ZARDOZ actually a great film?!
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Bryan Singer attached to direct....Did I miss this somewhere on AICN?
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Or I'm gonna be upset.
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bill oreilly.
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This is pulling in so many people that by the time it hits, it will make bank due to confusion and curiosity.
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Sean Connery battles the combined artificial intelligence known as The Tabernacle. He then obtains ultimate knowledge and abilities like time manipulation. Zardoz is untouchable. Production design and effects by 2001 crew. One of the ultimate movies. There is no concept in the film that isn't fully explored. A movie where they have someone try to explain something to you at the beginning because it's going to be unlike anything ever made. And they thought of everything. The future tech is sufficiently out there to the point where it'll never date. The people from this insanely distant future can use more of their brains and the tabernacle can help them focus mind beams and they can talk backwards for fun or in numbers. There's an entire hierarchal society worked out. Everything is in Zardoz. Good thing we're going to start eating locust and other insect meat to feed our exponential billions or it's Zardoz for us for sure. Course there isn't enough water so there won't be any exponential billions.. sadly.
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Jan. 27, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST
Zardoz is like the sci-fi equivalent of Beyond The Valley of The Dolls
by rev_skarekroe
You may or may not consider such a thing a "masterpiece."
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Jan. 27, 2011, 1:47 p.m. CST
I think Zardoz may be the first film that stunned me...
by WriteForTheEdit
...with a "twist" ending (I was pretty young, granted).
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...this movie news is so exciting, I've got some strands of DNA leaking into my pants right now. [RIMSHOT!]
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Oops! Hit the Windows button in Linux! Anyway, I'm sure Scott is alluding to a return to the original artwork that created the Alien in the first place.
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up and clone new bodies to implant it. There is no twist ending but in the middle of it you learn where the name Zardoz is derived from. It's not even important and isn't the main focus of the story. And it isn't really valley of the dollsish. Who are we to know what people will wear in such a distant future? Every concept fits the story perfectly. If it was remade they would simply replace all the nudity with more violence, a pg13 and slightly better costumes.
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the more I'm thinking this will just be a whole new (hopefully interesting) story with just some relevant nods to the existing alien universe. Sounds like Ridley is taking chances and not just playing it safe which is refreshing.
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The key to whether this is or is not an ALIEN film? Simple: Giger's involvement. If he's confirmed, then I'll consider it, at least, a descendant of the ALIEN films. Otherwise, natch.
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"Everything is in Zardoz"<p> Ultratron, your impassioned ode to ZARDOZ has moved me almost to tears. I swear to you now, I will revisit this movie and give it a 2nd chance.<p> And if it's still 'darn awful' then i'll hunt you down... like a dawg. Like a dawg I say!
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CNN.com is reporting that Ridley Scott's mysterious $400 million new sci-fi movie is in fact a remake of 1970's 'cult classic' ZARDOZ.<p> This is how internet rumors start....
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Wow, then I really do need to see it again. Could've sworn that was at the end...
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Jan. 27, 2011, 3:23 p.m. CST
"The film will be surrounding another group of Colonial Marines fighting new species of alien"
by stu_pickles
says my dreams when i was 8 years old
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what the fuck would that even look like.
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... different story, same universe. not really a sequel or prequel... just something that happens in the same universe as that first film.
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Jan. 27, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST
"sources for Sky.com are revealing a few more details about the project that-"
by buggerbugger
-are bullshit, probably pulled "exclusively" by some lazy 'journo' from speculative fan-postings on some 'Alien' message board.
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Mostly awesome-o news.... Mostly ;) The fact more of Giger's ghoulish visions are going to be realised is FANTASTIC!! The Head : Love it Archeological Dig : not so hot about. Jockey info : Awesome. BRING IT ON!!!!
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Jan. 27, 2011, 3:58 p.m. CST
I Think "Avatar" Is Set In The Same Universe As "Aliens"
by Media Messiah
Look at the tech as it compares in both movies? James Cameron hasn't said it, but that is clearly for financial reasons, and I think that this gave Ridley Scott the idea for "Prometheus". He is settng his movie in the same universe as "Alien"...but instead of going along the same monster attacks line, he is saying: "What else is happening in this very same universe?" The same as James Cameron asked with Avatar. Each of these filmmakers has decided to explore the other happenings in that universe--and there are an infinite number of stories to explore.
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How will Javier Bardem have time to film the Dark Tower if he is busy working on this Giant Head role? Also, Harry, please give me a call. I have something funny to tell you! -Larry
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So far, everything I've heard is clearly distancing this film from every single Alien film before it, even Ridley's. I think that's a step in the right direction for the franchise. The wheel cannot be reinvented unless the wheel is first locked away. I'm excited now, man. Not messin' with "my" Zen-thing; I'm right there, man.
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Is this the correct Talk Back...for people who want to make fun of Javier Bardem's big head?
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Is this the correct talkback for people to make fun of Javier Bardem's big head?
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Jan. 27, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST
My anticipation levels for this still remain largely dependent on...
by Cervantes
...whether Jolie ends up getting a role in this. If so, then minus marks.
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any of the other Alien movies again. The Winona Ryder one and the monastery one I didn't really need to see the first time. Pass.
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Got that for Christmas. Obviously the content is awesome, but I also love the book-like packaging on that thing.
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Trash talking jarheads, because that's SOOO 80's, and other such dumb stereotypes, I trust Ridley Scott. He's one of a few handful of mainstream directors of whose work I've not seen a film I hated.
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JettL has commented on the situation.
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They're gonna explain, everything! The Space Jockies. The Derelict. How WY was involved. How the Aliens were created...OMFG! And the big Aliens are certainly, gonna either be, a Jockey-Alien via chestburster in the Derelict and\or an Alien Queen. The giant head thing that pilots the ship is interesting. If they're talking about a human ship, maybe something to do with, "Mother"? I'm sooo excited about this news!
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God this sounds like this will at least have the same theme as the first one: Lovecraft in space. This will rape our eyes, especially since Giger is doing the art. Hobbit, Dark Tower, Promethius... fuck yeah.
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That's the absolute key...remember the first time watching Alien? You see that jockey and you're thinkg, holy shit, WHAT the FUCK is THAT? and it just gets weirder and darker.. I'm liking everything I'm reading about this film..the further they get from people shooting guns at Aliens the better.
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Jan. 27, 2011, 8:51 p.m. CST
He said head, huh, huh, huh. Uh, huh, huh, huh, huh.
by Tikidonkeypunch
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Kinda cerebral, y'know, like that movie...2001. Or maybe it'll just be a mindless shoot 'em up, like that movie First Contact. Perhaps the first part is a bit like Contact (not First Contact). Or Stargate, without the whiff of stupidity. Has there ever been a really good first contact movie? Something a bit freaky along the lines of The Mote in God's Eye, or even Rendezvous With Rama?
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"Remember that Man on Man thing in Alien Harvest? That may have been a litmus test to see if the fans were okay with a little chemistry between two main female characters." That's like testing to see if your audience might enjoy ice cream by feeding them a bowlful of anchovies.
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Jan. 27, 2011, 9:28 p.m. CST
Does anyone else see how big of an opportunity they're missing here?!??
by Brostradamus
How hard would it be to make a badass Alien movie set on LV-426 between the first and second film?! They could expand the corporate greed angle and fill in a huge, awesome gap in the story? Show how things went to hell for the settlers, find a young actress who looks similar to Newt and end the movie with Sigourney and the marines finding her. She doesn't need to be a main character to make this profound. Why not?!?!?
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In a recent poll, 93% of people surveyed agreed that Minka Kelly would be an excellent fit for this franchise. She is responsible for the Giant Head that I am experiencing right now. Also...do most of you post drunk...or is it just me? Also...I know many of you have been wondering what happened to Harry and me and why he won't talk to me anymore. I really don't want to share too much, but I will say that it had to do with a girl.
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I still can't fucking wait for this. I have a feeling this will be badass.
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... that elicits such a strong emotional response from people? It must be something carnal that goes back thousands of generations. Did tribal people with big heads pose a threat to the community? Maybe there were many maternal deaths trying to deliver big headed babies and the child was ostracized. Personally, I've never met a person with a big head. I've met a lot of fat people with regular size heads.
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Who's to say that the drop ships didn't have some sort of special armor/meta-material plating that could withstand the heat? Kind of like the plating on BSG that made it withstand a direct hit from a nuke.
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i once made a big giant head out of snow. seriously. snow men been done to death
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a nod to the superman vs aliens comics. I think theron's character says something like- "I wish superman were here so he could leave for 5 years after impregnating his girlfriend." Then someone yells- "Secure that shit! Can we talk about the bonus situation?"
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The stranger, the better. Nothing beats the first reveal in the original ALIEN movie. The obscene oddness of the alien was genius, and a return to that tone is what is needed here.
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The drop ship from ALIENS made a powered re-entry. It did not need heat shields, because it was controlling it's velocity. Heat shielding is necessary only if you are generating atmospheric friction due to an uncontrolled drop.
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I seriously hope that Scott is in AMERICAN GANGSTER mode and not in HANNIBAL mode...
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Jan. 28, 2011, 3:59 a.m. CST
But will it be filmed in 3D and called "Alien: Pre-D"???
by Johnny Wishbone
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It is very obvious that the original Alien film and Blade Runner were intended to be set in the same universe. It is equally obvious that the next film has to let the xenomorphs loose in a city. The Aliens sequel comic had them loose on Earth, but it can be any well populated world. In BR, we were told Batty was a combat model. Well, what do you think he was built to combat? Acid won't penetrate his skin. He's fast enough to dodge bullets - that makes him fast enough to go hand to hand with xenomorphs. And he's smart enough too ... Plus "fiery the angels fell ..." well, Prometheus was an angle who brought fire to men.
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"It is very obvious that the original Alien film and Blade Runner were intended to be set in the same universe." This has been refuted many times, and would be inconsistent.
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"Part of the film will be shot in Morocco. I’ve heard that some sort of archeological dig where they discover alien DNA takes place there and that DNA gives them the coordinates for an alien world." That sounds ridiculous.
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As I wrote in the first thread, I figured all along this is still basically some kind of ALIEN related project -- they just wanted to play down that it's an overt "ALIEN PREQUEL" amongst fans because while it's set in the same universe, it's not just going to be a film where the alien(s) run amok in a certain setting and kill everyone. Maybe it's about the first contact between humans and that space jockey/alien universe -- very much a film that's a prequel, but not the same kind of film as the original, or even Aliens. Who knows exactly what it's going to be, but I'm honestly fine with that. The whole notion of Scott wasting his time at this point in his career merely rehashing the first film didn't make sense to me. So he wants to make a different type of sci-fi film, but still in that world -- I'm more excited now than I would've been had this just been a recycling of the first movie. After four films and two AVP movies, there's not a whole lot more to do with the "Alien" itself IMO outside of showing its homeworld (maybe we still get that here?) and doing a variation on Scott or Cameron's pictures.
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and sound fantastic; we'll be talking about its design in 2040, but I think that the script will stink. I wouldn't trust Lindelof to write me a cheque.
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Jan. 28, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST
I remember Joss Whedon wanted Alien 4 to take place on earth...
by AshMcQ
...but was denied by stupid producers.
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it will loosely set in the same Universe Ridley Scott and Giger designed - maybe even with a nod to Blade Runner's Off-World stuff? You'll probably get a glimpse of the planet engineers - the race that Space Jockey belonged to (and maybe a hint at those damn pesky Aliens they encountered on a planet they helped create) but that's your lot. The story clearly has evolved beyond a regular Alien movie and morphed (hopefully) something darker and all together more interesting. This could and should be epic. In a way, it's probably tied together by a few hints and strands they way Tarantino's early work (Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction and True Romance were - references to characters existing in the same world but not directly related). At least that's what I'm reading into it. But this set report sounds like bs to me.
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just been reading your posts dude. You have some pretty good ideas. Almost too damn good...hmmmm
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Jan. 28, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST
Will Bryan Singer's Battlestar Galactica arrive 2012 too?
by HarryBlackPotter
Cos not heard about that one for over a year now. Maybe Singer got bored or simply can't get the project into production because the studio have got cold feet? I love Ron Moore's show and can't wait for Blood & Chrome, but would also like to see what Singer had in store. Must be a hell of an itch he wants to scratch after he came so close to doing his version in 2001 but 9/11 and X2 got in the way.
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Just sayin'...
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Jan. 28, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST
So the giant head piloting the ship is the Space Jockey?
by Smack_Teddy
bud-a-bum, tss! heh, nice one guys
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ZARDOZ could be considered a great movie. It certainly is a smart and very ambitious one, offering literary hints and references a dozen a minute. It's a movie that is the opposite of many, if it has a flaw is that it has many, many, maybe too many ideas. It's not a movie for everybody (understatment there). You would probably hate it, i wouldn't be suprised. It's a hard movie to get into, but for those who do, it's very rewarding. And it has Sean Connery dressed as a bride, which is hillarious beyond belief. How can you not love that?
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Jan. 28, 2011, 6:52 p.m. CST
There was a giant head in ZARDOZ. A floating flying giant stone head.
by AsimovLives
It was worshipped by murderous barbarians. And it said stuff like "The penis is evil. The gun is good." And vomited guns out of it's mouth. God, i love that movie!
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This. Seriously.
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... you will always get fucked up in your ass and you will not even notice it.
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Asi never stops being an asshole. This cycle will never break. Meanwhile, i'm beginning to trust either way the plot or specifics go that this will be something very special indeed
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Jan. 29, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST
how do i actually read the Shadow 19 or Pssengers scripts?
by Smack_Teddy
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Ridley Scott took the "Alien" prequel project just to pay for some work on his house or something... then the story turned out to be so surprisingly good... he didn't want to taint it by making it part of the (now totally irrelevant) "Alien" franchise... So now, he's developing it as a stand alone movie... Count me in.
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but first id like to actually know them worth a shit, read them properly, rather have a ignorant, uniformed hackneyd view & impression at a nice safe comfortable distance as to what the scripts actually are or about when it comes down to it. They sound really interesting in their own right from what Kong etc are saying etc
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is what i meant to say, sorry
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cheers fella
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could be like like intergalactic gods, or bio-engineering Gods, like the Alpha Prime Race in 'Spore' the video game if you like, and when humans start to encounter or evolve to xenomorph and terramorpth bio-nature/tech they also encounter and need Jockeys God like approval and diplomatic co-operation & assistence, to be on board with the beyond good and evil ethics and consequence of this all their putting into action...with shifting around dangerous lifeforms while taking others on?...or at least guiding them through with a big-brother Moniters like role?...my mind is reeling with all the possibilities here, im getting over stimulated<p>...this has to be awesome
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Jan. 30, 2011, 2:52 a.m. CST
oh yeah also that fella was saying Fantastic Planet seems very influential
by Smack_Teddy
from looking at the script, which sounds incredible there too...like reallly looking to live up to the possibilities of its own Lovecraftian Old Ones/Chutulu universe the nature of species that would inhabit such a place, replacing the nature of species or vice versa with the human drama & politics of kirk & Kahn battling over project genesis, told through VERY different dark tragic sensibilities...imagine if 2001 had a Army of Darkness double screw up ending instead, first Jockey coughs the wrong phrases into the command panel or from his super computer brain, then sleeps too long in the end... this has to be awesome
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between the films of Ridley Scott or Sci Fi in general? Promethius stated as the Alien prequel, the story grew, went further than the Alien universe. Then they decided to make it a stand alone film. They are not connected in story, ONLY THEME. The DNA he said meant thematically they are similar. Who knows there may be a little joke logo in the background but it is stand alone film. We may be able to see the elements from the ALien script butthey will have been changed to stand alone characters. They are DISCRETE!!!! You guys read too much into things. Remove your tin foil hats and breathe for a moment!
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Alien has 5 letters in the title. There are 2 decent films in the series. 2 x 5 = 10, thesame number of letters as Promethius. Alien is a film released in 1979. Add those numbers up and thetotal is Promethius. Ian Holme was in Alien, his brother (linked DNA) Dennis was in Blade Runner playing the 32nd character on screen. Add 3 and 2 and you get 5. E is the 5th letter of the alphabet as well as the word Promethius. The Space Jockey was called Dennis by the film crew on set in Alien and he will be called Sinned (Dennis backwards) in Promethius, people that worshipped Promethius also "sinned" against God according to Christian teachings so the space jockey will be GOD. GOD wears a TINFOIL HAT!!! and he will be in the FRONT ROW of the PrOmEtHiUs cinema watching Alien with a BLADErunner Tshirt on!!!111!!!!
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location or reference is carried from Alien to Bladerunner orvic versa. Of course they have the same feel, they were made by a tight knit group and same director 3 years apart. Stylistically they are similar, but they are not in the same universe. They are not connected in stroy in any way. If there is a direct link show me it.
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...And Bishop's great uncle and aunt.<p> In your face, ihatetalkbacks...I read this in a fan fiction novel, so it must be true.
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Spelling it is a different matter...
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Can we just not throw the Space Jockey & Basic Xenomorph knowledge out with the bath water? Jockey, & Gigers art & basic grasp of a reprductive lfieform were crucuial i believe to the actual vision or art or dna you refer to that makes Ridley Scotts Alien rather than anything else other than the fella himself, and horror does not always or constantly have to be about mystery or what you cannot see & what your mind fills in, its the balance of both right? I'm ready to totally embrace how Ridley develops the possibilities of the mythology, as it stood when Alien was first Made, as they stand now in comics etc not in 'canon' - a medium where the age you apply to people who need comics for such things & reasons only reflects upon limted knowledge, awareness & opinion of the medium/form as a whole & what its capable of etc. of which i guess fair enough those Dark Horse comics do not exceed those limits - to make a great Allen film set in Ridley-verse
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So basically your saying that the films are linked through non-direct links... in other words they are not linked. They are good films but dont say they are i the same world. They blatantly are not. You can say they are historically linked, through talent or through theme but do not say they are by story - by universe. Are you saying that there could be a film that bridges the gap, are rather will be a film that bridges the gap. They were also all group efforts, writers, designers, original stories all helped shape them. Some are the same, others are not. Hell is Space Camp linked to this? It has Tom Skerritt a robot and space in it? Just because I do not agree with you does not mean I cannot see the films finer points, so dont get personal - I have already said they are similar in some ways. I love both films and know ALien like the back of my hand. Though they look the same does not hold too much weight as you said before... One is an Art Deco inspired detective story, the other a Baroque ghost story. A different epoch for a different theme. The lighting is deliberatly film noir in Blade Runner, rather than flatter in Alien. Just because they have shadows does not mean they look the same. One has costumes from the past - 30s to 50s, the other modern space suites and utility. Lastly do you really think that after muddying the films with the semi official AvP they would try it again with a semi linked sequel/prequel/expansion - they have always had such luck with that (Caravan of Courage and Catwoman being triumphs!) How would Fox explain this to the average movie goer? It would be confusing and make people whine. You might not think the average viewer needs an explanation but I bet fox does if they were linked. When Promethius is released there will be no official mention of Alien other than "from the director of Alien" no mention of characters/ settings/companies from any other film.
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You said "It never WAS the "Alien" universe - Fans created that" and you create an arbitrary grouping in just the same way. Logic is a b_tch what with the logic of characters and story and setting being logically connected in the logically connected sequels. If everything is so connected how can Ash be an earlier version of a replicant if Alien is at least 80 years after Blade Runner? How come the "term" Ridleyverse is just being coined if they are so connected. I guess it must be because people like to use logic quite alot. Are the Hovis bread adverts and the Apple advert connected to Alien? Why is there such a weight behind the director. How come the writer does not get the same privileged position, or the set designers and cinematographers as you rely on the looks of the films so much. Maybe it is just because we can see the turn from 70 to 80s so much in the films that they look similar. BR and Alien are not in the same universe. they are not part of the same story. Face it if these films are connected then 2001, Outland 2010, Brainstorm, Silent Running and Moon must also be in the same series. They are not. Blade Runner and Alien are not in the same universe, and dont think that any space/time folding story will marry them together... One of the glaring scientific errors (along with the gravity - never explained and the explosion in space, even though no one can hear you scream) is that the space ships do not travel at the speed of light. It is never mentioned how they travels so fast.
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I was waiting for that. So a graphic from the spinner was used in Alien, a film set 80 years after... did they really do that on purpose, or did they simply reuse an old prop. Tell me is Saturn5 related to Aliens as they both have the same forklift. Is Space Hunter In the Forbidden Zone related to Ghost Busters as the EPK meter was reused. Are you seriously saying that that is evidence to connect both of them as the same universe and story? I hope you guys are never on a jury and see proof that a person used a knife in a kitchen so must be a murderer Stylistically the two films can be seen as similar. Especially if you believe Scott to be an auteur and these traits are shown in his films. You cannot say they are part of the same story or same universe. To do so is ridiculous and also denigrates all the other work that people did to these films if they worked on just one of them. Personally I think you are seeing too much and believing it to be a great insight. 2 + 2 = 5. Just because you can recall a piece of trivia does not make your argument any better.
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authorship. I said that Alien and Blade Runner are not linked by story, or by extension of that universe. I think we both agree that now. they may have similar themes but that is not the point I was arguing. I agree with you. They are both dark cloustrophobic films. Similar styling. You said that Blade Runner was closer than Aliens in story and universe, I have stated my possition.
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I dont own Future Noir and read it from a library. Does this say it is part of the same story? (Also most historians agree that a man called Jesus existed or that it is a plausible idea, wether he was a cosmic space zombie with supernatural powers is not agreed upon.)
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Your posts make for a interesting read in actually seriously arguing passionatly for 'authors', still in todays big budget studio model of production and the inevitable inescapable fact that just one guy doesnt make a movie - something i wish was a hell of alot better at being proven right now other than just from say a guy like Chris Nolan. I'm not saying Hollywood needs to be highjacked by some new found Cinema Du Cahiers manifesto tommorrow, but i do get the impression its possible that more and more every year bar WB this gets lost on a studio or they lose faith against how they rationalise returns then.... im really suprised Fox were apparantly insistent of Scott coming back to oversee this all, maybe they're taking a leaf out of WB's book, maybe someone there really does have respect for Ridely Scott & where the Alien material or 'franchise' to them came from...now they've seen how that respect can reap Dark Knight/Inception like returns all over again currently
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