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As a redhead, I find Will Smith's proposed ANNIE remake with his daughter incredibly offensive...

Hey folks, Harry here...

This just...  it hurts.   Here's the thing, I like Will Smith - and his daughter Willow Smith is incredibly talented.  That song and music video about shaking hair - was kind of friggin super awesome.   My wife and I love it.  And I absolutely agree with the notion of Willow becoming a star.   

That said - excuse me if I get offended.  As a Redhead and a Ginger, we're a very rare minority.   We only make up around 1%-2% of the world population.  And we don't have many traditional characters throughout history.   I get that it's easier to think of ANNIE as an orphan girl, but to redheads, she is a hero.   Like Pippi Longstockings, Jimmy Olsen, Scarlet O'Neil, Ron Weasley, Black Widow, Woody Woodpecker, Strawberry Shortcake, Archie and Popeye.   

And as an extreme minority, I absolutely know that my gripe will go absolutely ignored.  My little sister grew up without many role models, but she had ANNIE.   

Now, I bet Willow will play the hell out of the role.   I really do.   But as a redhead, I will stick with the 70's John Huston version of ANNIE.  It is a treasure - Hell, even if they were going the redhead route, they'd probably never go with a real redhead anyways.   Sometimes, you just have to face disappointments by an inconsiderate media world that never for a second considers my tiny minority.  Mainly because...  we have no souls.   And we're scary looking.

So, get ready, Sony, Will Smith & Jay Z are going to make a new run at ANNIE - Willow Smith can absolutely capture the spunk and cool that has always been the essence of ANNIE, I'm also going to be said to see the 30's Setting go away.  It will be interesting to see how they handle the adaptation and the casting of Daddy Warbucks and Punjab.  If they even keep those characters.   

Excuse me, I have to break the news to my sister now.   She's gonna be so pissed.

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  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Post 0


    I couldn't hold my tongue regarding Will Smith's ANNIE remake with his daughter

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Will Smith's kids

    by eatsnackysmores

    Do they all get a free ride as actors? I mean, Jaden has some talent but it took him about seven films before he could be considered anything better than "cringe-worthy."

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:03 p.m. CST

    No interest for two reasons ....

    by fpuk99

    1) Another bloody unnecessary remake 2) Nepotism isn't cool Queue the race argument in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ....

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST

    A black girl with red hair and freckles

    by CmdX

    That's theoretically possible, right? I can see the concept existing here, but the title seems like it would need to change.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Red Power!

    by Jake Akuna

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:05 p.m. CST


    by FlamingNipples

    There was a time I liked Will Smith... there was a time.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Why not just call it something else?

    by CodeName

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Windmilling is better when metal bands do it.

    by Grimcicle


  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST


    by Briestro

    Strawberry shortcake? Thanks Harry, I just nearly spewed my iced tea all over my nice monitor. B

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST


    by Nuck81

    I wonder how a voice completely manipulated and controlled by Auto-Tune makes one "incredibly talented"?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Wait.. since this is about Red...

    by Briestro

    Then maybe we should all mention Red State!! Yeah!! B

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST


    by Grimcicle

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Bale is the new frontrunner for DT's Roland....

    by Nice Marmot

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Awwwwww... hellllllllll

    by logjam

    You know the rest. The Smith family won't stop until their precocious children remake every single movie in American cinematic history. The Day the Earth Stood Still? Check. The Karate Kid? Check. Annie? Coming soon. Any Which Way But Loose? Um, ok? Star Wars? Why not? Independence Day? Yes please!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Popeye was GINGER???

    by damned-dirty-ape

    Jesus Christ, my childhood has been raped, or something.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:14 p.m. CST

    That video reminds me of my Wii "Epic Mickey"

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    Now if she only had a can of thinner to erase my memory of seeing it.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST


    by misterdug

    You can't use that word! That's OUR word!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST


    by Strikerrjones

    Harry, you forgot him.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Heres my question: How?

    by magnetoelectric

    How the fuck is shit like this even happening? Is it his money? (is he just buying his kids jobs) Or Influence? (he has pics of Bay blowing Bruckheimer)

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST

    I just can't stop picturing the Smith family

    by David Cloverfield

    Like they were in South Park. And they made that before Smith decided to create royalty from his family. The SP guys are spot on sometimes.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:19 p.m. CST

    that's enough

    by imagegod

    Pippi Longstockings, Jimmy Olsen, Scarlet O'Neil, Ron Weasley, Black Widow, Woody Woodpecker, Strawberry Shortcake, Archie and Popeye. Sounds like enough right there. In fact thats about 9 too many.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Smith Jr's

    by Mitch

    I don't have a comment about Annie getting an update. But regarding this family...I haven't made up my mind if this is good or bad. (getting their kids involved in the biz at a young age) ...Wait, stop. Sorry. This is my first post, and I'm off to a terrible start. Who cares? Even I don't. Sorry, I'll do better in the future.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST


    by hedley lamarr

    thats just stupid! and as far as I can see from that video, that fucking kid has zero talent...except she can sing along with the lip syncing!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST

    you fogot the "yo", yo.

    by Orion

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST

    I whip my hair back and forth...

    by iceman199

    I whip my hair back and forth... I whip my hair back and forth... I whip my hair back and forth... I whip my hair back and forth... I whip my hair back and forth... I whip my hair back and forth... I whip my hair back and forth... I whip my hair back and forth... I whip my hair back and forth... I whip my hair back and forth... Seriously, nothing cool about that. NOTHING!!!! It's infantile.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST

    will it be in 3-D

    by ORIONgods

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST

    I'll admit...

    by bubcus

    I loved watching Annie when I was a kid (they showed it in our Elementary school gym on a projection reel back in the early 80s) but I don't think I've watched it since. I do own the DVD but I think it's still in the wrapper. Here I want to rip on their making a remake but at the same time, as I haven't watched the original film in almost thirty years, I don't think I can say much. Just "lame" that they have to remake everything.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Create something ORIGINAL instead of leaching onto

    by DrPain

    past films (Karate Kid and now Annie?). I'm going to go repaint the mona lisa, but instead make her Korean, just cus. Will that make me a talented artist?? And that song up there SUCKED by the way.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    "Punjab" will be replaced by "Pun-Tang"!

    by HB_Dad

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Annie also wasn't a fat, shitty writer

    by mr teaspoon

    That bug you too?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST forgot....

    by Stark1070

    a young, redheaded Mr. Magoo among your brethren.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    You've got to be kidding

    by exposedfilm

    Of all the things to complain about. This site is nose diving fast. It's Basically at the point where if I see "Hey folks, Harry here" I click back. The coaxial column is the only thing worth reading.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    meh, I could care less.

    by mistergreen

    Will I, as a grown man, go out of my way to see Annie? .............................. no.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Willow Smith can handle the red hair

    by Eliywahoo

    I don't see why this wouldn't work for that reason...

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST

    P. Diddy Warbucks

    by elsewhere

    You heard it here first. Popeye was a ginger? No shit?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:29 p.m. CST

    I say if he wants to do a black version ...

    by MattHooper

    of ALIEN, I mean ANNIE -- let him.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Awww, Hell No!

    by lb_12

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:31 p.m. CST

    A Milli - for kidz!

    by Thunderbolt Ross


  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST

    if ya dont like it, dont see it

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    I didnt see Karate Kid, not because of "nepotism" but because I dont wanna watch a kid movie... its funny how so many people who hate Smith for "nepotism" actually saw the movie. you do realize, when you pay money for a movie, its giving him more reasons to continue doing what he is doing? ticket sales does not mean "stop making movies" and Im glad Harry didnt really discuss the negatives of nepotism, seeing as he let a son of contributor review movies and get his own neat nickname here

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST


    by JohnnyDigital

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Jayden Smith in "Ferris Bueller: School is WHACK!"

    by bentmywookie

    You know it's coming.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    I think this movies' a horrible idea but

    by eighttwelve

    this article was a worse one.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    "was kind of friggin super awesome."

    by JunoFallon

    Give me a break. The song is soul less garbage, she didn't write a note or word of it, and as a life long musician, who has toured, written, and recorded music most of my life I can tell you that it's a smoke and mirrors studio trick. I don't dislike Will Smith but I don't appreciate him shoving his talentless little mutts down our throats, especially not in such a way that maims a cinematic classic. Ugh. Disgust.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Smith is so damn overrated

    by BlackBriar

    his Prod. Company, his kids as actors, Scientology, and his films suck. Because Hancock was "Amazing Movie"!!!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST

    What's next? A black version of The Wizard of Oz??

    by Zombieflicker


  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:39 p.m. CST

    i will say one negative thing about Will Smith

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    I dont like him being a Scientologist... if anything, he should create his own religion... where in every service you have to sit back and bop your head to "Summertime"... even if its winter time PS: SNL skit about Smiths acting was hilarious! "Arroo?"

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST

    If this, why not...

    by mintoncard

    "Song of the South" with all white folks? Oh, that's right, because it would be OFFENSIVE. The idea of doing "Annie" with Willow Smith is just ridiculous. It must be nice to be able to just buy a movie to put your kid into. Hollywood: it's not about the talent, it's about the money. It always was.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Boston Legal

    by damned-dirty-ape

    Already covered this. We need Denny Crane!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:41 p.m. CST

    when I heard the name epic mickey...

    by emeraldboy

    I thought it was really dirty name for walt disney entertainment to choose for thier first proper mickey mouse computer game for thier most iconic character. Epic mickey, indeed...

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Tim Minchin, Harry.

    by the_patriot

    Another guy to add to your minority list. And funny as hell. Definitely check out the link from johnnydigital above me.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST

    She can capture my spunk.

    by paralyser-pro


  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Uncle Phil as Daddy Warbucks. Please, oh PLEASE!!

    by Tigger Tales

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST

    P Diddy Warbucks!! Too funny!

    by magnetoelectric

    He always shoulder shimmys his way into every scene "take that , take that". BTW Mr Smith: People loved when Babe Ruth called his own shot. Probably wouldnt've loved it as much if he pointed to a woman in the stands and said "Right in that cunts talkbox" Just sayin , just sayin

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Will Smith is sick and twisted!

    by BradZuhl

    There's just something very bizarre about Will Smith developing these movies for his kids and then just handing them the starring role, as if they were movie stars. How about making them go out and audition for roles like anybody else? These kids are going to grow up incredibly fucked up.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST

    I really didn't read much of what Harry said.

    by phifty2

    Is it really about how he thinks there aren't enough redhead heroes and this is taking one away from their ranks?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Carrot Top As Malcom X

    by ravenloff

    Jim Broadbent as Martin Luther King? When will it end?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST

    As a readhead, I couldn't care less about this.

    by ltgalloway

    I have read hair, but it's never been anything I've been very conscious of, and certainly never persecuted for. If anything people have occasionally told me how lucky I am and that they wish they could bottle that color. It's not something I've ever felt I had to be defensive about, so to me this really isn't an issue. I think reinvigorating the core meaning of the story should take precedence over what color the hair is, and I hope they are successful.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Why can't black people just create their own characters?

    by SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform

    Instead of complaining about the lack of a black Batman, James Bond, Superman, Jesus, etc., why can't they just come up with their own creations and characters? It would be much quicker than just bitching and moaning all the time. It's pretty obvious that Smiff is a fuckstick for doing this. First, a black Karate Kid and now a black Annie. Bullshit. Let's make a white Shaft and relish in the flood of crying that would ensue.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Holy shit it is.

    by phifty2

    I just...I...I..fucking give up.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Bale is the new frontrunner for DT's Roland....

    by Nice Marmot

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Harry, I gotta ask. HOW DID YOU FORGET Mary Jane Watson!?

    by RandomName7


  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST

    why cant black people create their own characters?

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    because studios wont pay for it and help distribute it... ex. BLACK DYNAMITE. great fucking movie that everyone liked/loved (havent heard a single negative thing about) that had a good message... but na, Hollywood wants more movies about black people in drag, black people in the hood, or black people in drag in the hood... sadly, thats a #fact

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST

    PS: I have a few strands of red hair on my head and chinny chin...

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    am I considered ginger? I hope not

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST


    by yourSTEPDADDY

    I passed the Scientology church two weeks ago... everything is true, they ARE evil (but they dont claim this country is Gods country so I give em that) LETS GO HINDUISM!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST

    You forgot Mary Jane Watson

    by Wally_West

    ...much like Marvel Comics.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Remaking Annie

    by Jon

    Songs on screen should be limited to cartoons/CG cartoons. That is all

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Malcolm X had red hair. Really

    by Atkinson

    Just saying. It's the truth.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST


    by Demon_Style82

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3 p.m. CST

    Sorry, but this was already predicted and done on Boston Legal

    by HalJordan2814

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3 p.m. CST

    This headline is missing a "yo."


    Isn't it AICN style to denigrate the perceived linguistic coarseness of American blacks?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3 p.m. CST

    The Smith kids need to EARN our respect

    by Acappellaman

    Just looking at them, you can feel the attitude dripping off of them. They have a very in-your-face smarmy look whenever you look at them. It's disgusting. Look, at times I enjoy Will Smith, but it took time (LONG after the whole Fresh Prince of whatever whatever show he was on) for me to build any shred of respect for him. His kids have not earned that yet, but THEY think they have. For me, that turns me off, BIG time. They need to grow up before I care what they do and I support anything they put out, be it movies or music. Having said that, they're still above Justin Bieber. That kid is an untalented waste of flesh.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST

    That comment was meant for grimcicle

    by Demon_Style82

    This new comment layout sucks

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Ginger heroes

    by Jon

    Cousin IT?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:02 p.m. CST

    And here I was worried about the economy, my job,

    by phifty2

    world peace, pollution, overpopulation, the environment, our need to support the dying space program, etc. Thanks for putting things in perspective.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Fresh Prince of Bel Air remake with Justin Beiber

    by wichsenstar13

    and you will be avenged

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Tim Allen & The Jonas Bros

    by DonLogan

    to remake The Cosby Show

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST

    just watched the video

    by elsewhere

    what the fuck was that

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Roots, starring Michael Cera as Kunta Kinte.


    C'mon. You KNOW you want to see that.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:05 p.m. CST

    As a human being...

    by Bash_Branigan

    I find it offensive that Will Smith is allowed to put his kids into anything. I mean other than a holding pen.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    by Bertram Gibbs

    And the role of Daddy Warbucks (now Mack Daddy Warbucks) will be played by Michael Clarke Duncan . . .

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST


    by NoSmellNoTell

    I don’t really understand this argument. I understand many reasons to not want a movie to be remade but this one really doesn’t make sense. Remaking Annie with Willow Smith is not going to erase every other incarnation of Annie throughout history. There are numerous movies and cartoons and plays of Annie with the title character as a redhead that redheads will still be able to identify with. Your sister and the rest of the 1-2% of the population that is ginger will still be able to watch old versions of Annie and be as inspired as they always have been, and just as last years karate kid remake isn’t preventing any skinny white kids from watching the original to be inspired. <p> What really worries me about your article as that you seem to think that black kids don’t really have the right to identify with this character that your sister identified with. A remake would not REPLACE Annie as a redheaded character but add a saga of her as a black character that would inspire black girls who could easily identify with her. Now you talk about the lack of ginger characters to look up to for just 1-2% of the population. Well, there are a whole lot more black children in this country and there really have been very few black girl characters in movies for them to look up to. This could be a great chance for them to get one and you want prevent it because you want this character only to yourself. <p/> <p> I know you’ll never respond to this because you seem to have thought this through for a long time before making your post but it really does make you sound like those people that thought Donald Glover would make a terrible Spider Man because he is black even though it has nothing to do with the character (Actually Donald makes a great argument that Spiderman would make much more sense if he was black). Look at how many positive black characters there were in major movies in the past year Harry? Not too many… so I guess why not keep one more out. At least then it won’t ruin your sisters view of Annie…

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Mandingo, starring Armie Hammer as the Mandingo.


  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:10 p.m. CST

    The Wiz, starring Carrie Underwood as Dorothy.


  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:10 p.m. CST

    You Gotta Know Your Popeye


    To know that Popeye was a redhead. Props to the big man.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Global Warming Isn't A Fraud


    It's a little warmer in my office today than yesterday. I think the proof is right there.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    question about kid actors earning YOUR respect

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    what kid actor has earned your respect? people wanna talk about earning respect, but even "great" actors like Bale hasnt earned your respect until recently. were you respecting him during Reign of Fire? did JGL earn your respect in Angels in the Outfield? were you saying "this Leo kid has a bright future in sci-fi mindfuck movies" when you saw him in Growing Pains? fact is, if youre looking to "respect" a kid, chances are you just secretly wanna fuck them. like that old guy talking about Selena Gomez on Tosh last night thats yourstepdaddy on hidden racists lookin for whatever reason to dislike black kids... stay tuned for more

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Sic 'em, stepdaddy.


    I'm going to continue to cast white actors in definitive black parts. Just for *giggles*.

  • Funny you should as: for centuries white people have owned publishing houses, film production companies, newspapers, animation, and television networks. True, through the medium of folklore and spoken story telling, African Americans had their own heroes to enjoy and appreciate, yet most of that was lost during the time of slavery when families were displaced, social structures were upended and fathers were removed from families. Fast-forward to the early 20th century to the Great Northern Migration, families were separated even more so as Blacks went to Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland and New York for jobs, while their older kin stayed in the South. Those stories gradually died out - the flame cooled off. Flash forward to the 1970s, Blaxploitation films filled in the void with Nihilistic characters looking for "one last big score" to allow them to retire as drug dealers, or as in the case of Shaft - he was a private dick wanting to "stick it to the man." Moving along into the 80s and 90s, you had even more gangster films for blacks because that's what Hollywood wanted and that's what whites (and to be fair some Blacks) wanted to see. It wasn't until we had more Spike Lees (add the requisite "Talk Back Boos") that we saw contemporary cinema show more Black actors who didn't fall into a stereotype of a Black Buck, an Uncle Tom, or a Step-in-Fetch It. John Singleton helped out more with the sad but realistic depiction of South-Central Ghetto life in "Boys-n-The Hood." It wasn't really until Will Smith came along that there was a Black Character in Sci-Fi that wasn't just a friend of Han Solo or an object of desire for Captain Kirk. But that's all we've had really for the past 15 years or so - Will Smith and Samuel L. Jackson. Denzel doesn't really do Sci-Fi. But as many folks on this site who hate Will Smith, I will be a guy that applauds his presence in cinema. For once after many years, we have a guy that does get killed in the first 15 minutes of a film AND he punches the alien. That's a rare treat for Black Sci-Fi fans. As a wise man once said - "Hell Naw."

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST

    White Man's Burden, starring Denzel Washington in the Travolta role


  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST


    by Grimcicle

    That video is fucking awesome.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Have the Flaming Lips covered "Whip My Hair" yet?


    Someone get Wayne Coyne on the goddamn line. Fucking slackers.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST

    No reason why she can't have red hair...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ...maybe she dyed it. I see a lot of African American girls who do that. By the way, you forgot Daredevil, Marvel's only ginger superhero (I suppose it gets overlooked because of the "only blind superhero" thing). Maybe you should move to Ireland Harry, lots of gingers over there.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST


    by yourSTEPDADDY

    I dont know the story of Annie, but is her skin color the main focus of the movie? now, Choppah is naming movies about AFRICANS and replacing them with white people, which is absurb. I could totally understand the "remake with a white person" jokes if the movie was about a young Abraham Lincoln remake starring Jayden. its a fact that Lincoln is white. there should be no black Lincoln. but to joke and say a remake of Roots with white people is ridiculous so I will step out of here and let you guys have fun. if ya wanna make racist jokes at me, find me in the Oscar TB. Im already dealin with Klansmen there so youll fit right in

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST


    by RaptorJesus

    Stop with the redundant post 0 bullshit you fucking clod. Fucking Gingers.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST

    now a black annie how about an Asian Shaft!

    by Professor_Bedlam

    This is not being racist but come on leave things the way it was meant to be. No one wants to see an Asian or White Shaft now do we! Willow is a very talented young lady but come on Annie I just don't see it! Sorry Will!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST


    by BikerZero

    am i the only one tired of them, ie hollywood or whoever, who keeps remaking old shite over and over and over and over and over again.'s like no one ever can come up with an idea that isnt a remake or homage or what the fuck ever. but then again another thread there's some cartoon with a shapeshifter who cannot shape shift her boobs. so if we're that dumb, oh well, let's keep rehashing the old garbage.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    I'm all for this, actually...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ...remember The Wiz? I'm hereby starting the voting for Snoop Dogg as Punjab!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Emma Stone

    by goatherdingclownhunter

    Thar' be a redhead, indeed.

  • I also heard he's remaking "Supergirl" with his daughter as the lead.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:24 p.m. CST

    "The Last Airbender," "21," "Speedracer," and "Dragonball Z"

    by Atkinson

    Were all films where the majority of Asian characters were replaced with White characters. Oh wait, the Pot's on line 2 calling for Kettle Black. Please hold.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Ok ok

    by DonLogan

    so we're gonna remake Annie. But this time she's black, and it's modern day. Actually while we're at it, we could make Annie a boy, call him Dre, and this time instead of being a poor orphan, Dre is rich, he's a rapper, a skateboarder, a ladies man, he's got a pet dragon, he's a superhero by night, a spy, a vampire, in 3D.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Atkinson, great post, but can you tell Will SMith...

    by IndustryKiller!

    that next time he gets the notion to adapt a classic novel into a film to actually use his clout for something other than the pure evil of making it look like the most banal, mainstream, dumbed down thing ever put to print? It's impossible for me to respect Smith when he's the most bankable star int he world and he uses all that clout to make projects that are chock full of artistic integrity conceptually into something that will literally kill your brain cells as you watch. Also tell him he's an over actor and he needs lessons.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Liked Annie... Love Huston

    by Shady Drifter

    I have fond memories as a child of watching John Huston's Annie. Huston is such an amazingly versatile director... wasn't always on top form but, on his day, he's made some of my favourite films ever. Annie wasn't Huston's finest hour - but it was a very good children's musical. No need to remake a John Huston film... do you think you'll actually do it better??

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Ok, here's the situation...

    by ThatEndDown

    ...sorry. I really couldn't resist. Anyway. Based on that video, I cannot see any discernable talent from Willow Smith. All I can see is the typical smarmy I-deserve-fame attitude that most teenagers and preteens possess. I also can't see what kinda-friggin-awesome-ness Big Red sees in that video. Then again, I can't see what awesomeness Harry finds in most of what he praises.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:37 p.m. CST

    John Huston's Annie movie is from 1982.

    by nman45

    Just saying. Any why is everyone surprised about this crappy remake?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST

    He can do what he would to

    by ChezKing

    Will Smith is in a unique position as a successful African American actor. He's made millions and is one of the few black actors to break the color barrier-- he's loved all over the world. He now has a family and he's simply passing on his talent and connections down to his children. Who wouldn't do that? I would. But not without teaching them about the hang-ups, empty promises and letdowns of the industry. He's smart guy and is probably playing it as carefully as possible without alienating his kids by simply saying no. Most successful actors with children help give them a shot. If you know how tough the business is and how easily it can wreck a life, you'd want to do everything in your means to protect your children if they want to get into the business. You don't deny them. You help them. I don't see Will Smith is doing anything wrong. They still have to be accepted by the public. And if it works more power to them. I may not like everything Will Smith has done, but I certainly am not going to condemn him. He hasn't done anything wrong. I would do the same thing.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    The Color Purple...Starring Tina Fey

    by Wilford_Brimleys_Diabetes_Rage

    With Shia Lebouef as "Mister"

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST

    As a white person I find it offensive

    by disfigurehead

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST

    "Daddy, I want to be the Karate Kid."

    by elsewhere

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    "Daddy, I want to be Annie."

    by elsewhere

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    "Daddy, I want cheek implants."

    by elsewhere

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Enough with these Scientologist idiots and their hellspawn

    by quantize

    get lost and leave our move history alone

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:54 p.m. CST

    An Annie remake IS incredibly offensive.

    by Meinert Hansen

    This is going to flop flop floppity flop, just like the one with Carol Burnett.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Aw, hell nay!

    by Blanket-Man

    Loved that Shakespearean trailer bit on SNL last week. Couldn't care less what Will and/or Willow Smith does with ANNIE, though.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Daddy, I want to play James West in a remake of your movie...

    by Grinning White Skull

    So this time the cool contemporary change will make the James West character a little black girl (think of the TWILIGHT fans that will looooove this!). And can we get Arnold Schwarzenegger to play Dr. Miguelito Quixote Loveless! And Justin Bieber as Artemis Gordon! Yaaaaa! Thanks, Daddy!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:54 p.m. CST

    "Why can't black people create their own characters?"

    by Nerd Rage

    Hollywood has remake fever. Black people didn't invent this phenomena. Add to that Hollywoods lack of enthusiasm for non-white heroes and you probably can't greenlight a black hero movie without connecting it to an older white property that was successful. You think Hollywood is going to greenlight a movie with an untested black hero starring an untested black actor? Fat chance. Will Smith probably realized it's easier to get his kids big movie deals using remakes.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Huston's Annie was 1982...not the 70s

    by ManaByte

    Same year as E.T.!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    I whip mah hair back n fort, I whip mah hair back n fort..

    by UltraTron

    Kinda reminds me of Blue Oyster Cult. Rock N Roll!!!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    They took our Jobs!

    by Redhead_Redemption

    Took er jerbs!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4 p.m. CST

    As long as the keep the creep blank white oval

    by kikuchiyoboy

    eyes. I'll be happy. Oh and bring back Carol Burnette

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4 p.m. CST


    by kikuchiyoboy

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4 p.m. CST

    I would be more concerned that...

    by Citizen Sane

    ... his version of Annie is gonna suck like all the movies that he has made in the last 10 years. BTW- I completely disagree that his over-indulged children are awesome and super talented. Quit brown-nosing!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:08 p.m. CST

    A black version of "Annie" vs. "The Wiz"

    by brocknroll

    The Michael Jackson remake, "The Wiz" based on "Wizard of Oz" was actually really good. Wouldn't surprise me if Will Smith signs himself for the Oliver Warbucks role so he can star in the film with Willow. Not trying to sound like a racist but the only people I can see getting into the "Annie" remake, is young black children.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Funny is ....

    by fpuk99

    .... someone called 'thejewhunter' trying to lecture people on racisim. Sorry, I meant stupid, not funny.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Boston Legal Episode

    by Ronald Quezada

    The first episode of the first season of Boston legal with William Shatner presents this issue, a black child wants to portray Annie in a play, so there's a whole debate about it , and whether or not traditional characters should be changed in order to bring equal opportunities for all minorities, this news clearly demonstrates that reality is stranger than fiction.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Shia Lebouef..As Long Dong Silver (in a biopic)

    by Wilford_Brimleys_Diabetes_Rage

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Will Smith is

    by MegaBeth

    a shitty generic rapper who became a shitty generic actor who mated with a shitty generic actress who bore him shitty generic kid actor children. This is all so ponderous.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Of all the things you can do with your succes as an African American..

    by SoftAndPorky

    Then again, ANNIE was first an foremost about Warbucks. Who glorified the American business ethics with a fitting name. Supported by a cast of racial stereotypes and ,ofcourse, 'God/Santa' Mister Am. I had mild respect for Smith, but I can see what his goals are for himself and his family. These choices are not about keeping it real. Dave Chapelle was right.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Ginger does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Harry, thanks for the joke. Annie was a 'minority' cos she was a ginger, and now you're pissed because she's been hijacked by a bigger and badder minority. <p> You laugh because it's funny and you laugh because it's true.<p> ps. You can keep Ron Weasly but Popeye was no ginge. Keep your minority mitts off!

  • and Red in Shawshanks Redemption was a redhead until played by Morgan Freeman

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Please stop forcing your wife's crotch-fruit upon us!

    by M Bison

    enough said!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    True story, I asked a French friend of mine once why there are no 'gingers' in France and she replied with a smile...<p> "We av no geen-gers in France, because we burned zem all long ago."<p> Note: For the record the Dojo does not endorse or approve of burning gingers for entertainment purposes. Any similarity to gingers living or (preferably) dead is purely coincidental.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST

    yo, i saw will smith in person once

    by Orion

    The only black people he was hanging with worked for him.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:32 p.m. CST

    jaden smith as charles foster kane in citizen kane remake.

    by vulturess

    ah whip mah sled backn forf ah whip mah sled backn forf

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Affirmative Action Annie Aggravates Aintitcool?

    by _V_

    Why do we need a black Annie? Aren't gingers a minority as it is?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Nepotism runs rampant in Hollywood

    by drewlicious

    Michael Douglas, Keifer Sutherland, Gwyneth Paltrow.....Who knows where they'd be if their parents weren't famous. But they all paid their dues in some respect before they hit it big. I remember seeing Keifer Sutherland in early roles where I don't remember him having a single line. I have no idea how talented the Smith kids are or could be. Fact is, their father is buying them roles to play. I do resent that because that spares them the character building that only failure brings. These kids can screw up over and over again on camera and a good editor will easily fix the problem. The press machine will take care of whatever other flaws come along the way. I've seen quite a few actors who come off brilliantly in the final product, but were bumbling incompetents on the set.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    POLITICALLY INCORRECT JOKE WARNING<p> A couple just gave birth to their baby and the doctor says "I have some good news and some bad news".<p> The father says "Give us the bad news first doc."<p> The doctor replies "Your child has ginger hair".<p> "So what's the good news?" asks the distraught mother.<p> "It's dead."

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    It was going to be either Willow or Jaden.

    by kabong

    No one else could play the role . . . of Will Smith's offspring.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST

    the jewhunter

    by Jodo_Kast

    The mere fact we let such tripe pass because it's a "little girl", is why the entertainment industry is so crappy.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Crispin Glover was just cast as Malcolm X.

    by Imagikafan

    All kidding aside, Will Smith is out of control.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Don't point your accusing fingers at me! I'm no 'Gingist".<p> I have friends with ginger hair.<p> Well.. not so much friends. More like acquaintances. Okay... I've 'seen' gingers. I'm sure they're perfectly normal. Okay, maybe they make you throw up a little and swallow it back down but... they do have souls. Maybe.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    For the record all of the redhead women I've been

    by UltraTron

    with were hot as shit and so wild in bed that I'd always end up on the floor or on top of the fridge. Doesn't make any sense that they're a minority the way they fuck

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Pippi Longstocking is next, I hope.

    by WriteForTheEdit

    I whip my braids back and forth!!! (All kidding aside, as a fellow ginger, I don't get the umbrage... and I do think this remake/reimagining/whatever the fuck will be a more entertaining movie that Huston's...)

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Video of boston legal

    by skinnyharry

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:46 p.m. CST


    by WriteForTheEdit

    We do have souls (mostly) and our women are hot as fuck. And ginger bush is the prettiest. Nyah, nyah, haters!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    There are no bald people.<p> Only gingers with basic human decency.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST

    I just can't see being offended by this

    by Chewbacca_Khan

    non-plussed, disappointed even, but offended? I mean, it's not like Annie changed the world or righted any wrongs, Harry. As for all the others going off about race...I think the point went out the window while you were turned the other way. Annie's skin color had nothing to do with the essence of the character any more than Kingpin's did when they cast Michael Clarke Duncan or Fury when they cast Samuel L. Jackson.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:49 p.m. CST


    by SoftAndPorky

    How is that 'incredibly nice' shaking a few hands and signing autographs. It's his fucking job. Grow up already.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Those fantastical HARRY POTTER films are so unbelieveable...<p> I mean, a ginger with TWO friends??!

  • Anyone who says otherwise is simply trying to push their own agenda. "Annie" is a white, red headed orphan who is adopted by a wealthy white man in the 1930's. Anything that doesn't fit in that framework isn't it. It's something else. Now the relative merits of Annie and "Whatever this is" can be argued till the end of time but it's not racist to want an old and familiar character to be recognizable and well, "familiar". Nick Fury is a white guy with an eye patch and funky blue and white uniform for me. The Kingpin was an enormous bald white guy. I get that "Ultimate Nick Fury" is black and I'm cool with it. No problem. I get that the movies Marvel is making are based on that version of their universe and that's cool too. Black Asgardians is as stupid as black Spartans would have been if they'd put them in 300. Sometimes you don't get to play a part because you're the wrong type. That can mean you're too short, too tall, too fat, too skinny, or too white/black/hispanic/asian. You want a black Zoro? Why not. How about a Chinese Henry V or a latin Shaka Zulu. Why the fuck not? I'll tell you why not. Because it fucks with the ability to suspend your disbelief. It doesn't work.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Yeah - by the way, look at the photo.

    by JackPumpkinhead <p> <p> Is the spawn of the moron prince of Bel Air shooting gang signs in it, or am I mistaken? <p> <p> But no, maybe those are just innocent scientology signs. (Yeah, babydaddy Will is a scientologist, just like Cruise & Co. - you did know that, didn't you?)

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    POLITICALLY INCORRECT JOKE WARNING <p> What do you call a beautiful girl sitting next to a ginger guy?<p> A hostage.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:02 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    My one hope is that Harry's on so many drugs and drips that he won't have the nounce to ban me. IT'S ALL IN JEST LOVELY GINGER PEOPLE!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Ok, Harry. Let's talk about their "talent."

    by kdoc13

    First thing, based on some of the above, I just want to say this clearly, it's not about race, it's about talent level. I disagree with you that either of Will Smith's kids have any. I would dare say that Will Smith doesn't have any. Case 1: Will Smith. - Sure, he has taken a few roles that stretch him as an actor. I will give you "The Pursuit of Happyness" or "The Legend of Bagger Vance" and "Six Degrees of Seperation." But lets be honest for every one of those, there are 10 roles where he essentially plays Will Smith. There is no difference in his characterizations of Hiller in Independence Day to Hitch to Agent J. I-Robot is essentially Angry Will Smith, Ali is reduced to slow/dumb Will Smith who over emphasizes the word Mooozlum. Hancock is angry/drunk/moody Will Smith. He's not exactly knocking these out of the park eithe. Sure, it was cool in MIB, but by MIB:2 it was old. Bad Boys and BB2 are urban Agent J. Do I even need to mention Cowboy Agent J in Wild Wild West. This could be typecasting, sure, but there's not even an attempt to make any diferences in how these roles are played. Martin Lawrence shows more range. Case 2: Jaden Smith - Talent? He was marginally ok with the Kung Fu in Karate Kid. He showed borderline Young Van Damme skills, granted. But didn't you cringe every time he had to convey some sort of emotion other than anger? He's got anger down, he was reportedly a pain in the arse in the set, and was at one time being compared to Christian Bale going off on people on the Terminator set. Then he's also got a role in The Pursuit of Happyness, where he not only appeared very wooden and coached on screen, he really didn't have to do much in it. Then there's a small role in All of us, which didn't require him to do much, and a cameo on The Suite Life of Zac and Cody. They don't demand much in the way of acting skills on Disney, but to look lifeless compared to the Sprouse twins is not good. Case 3: Willow Smith - Ok, before I even get into her acting credits. I think she sounds like Rihanna, I think she sounds like Rihanna, I think she sounds like Rihanna...hey look, it's a song. You can do that with about anything. I think my car has a flat, I think my car has a flat, I think my car has a flat. Willow had nothing to do with that song. It's all Jay-Z, and sounds like a cross between Rihanna, Beyonce, and him. She even brushes off her shoulder like Jay-Z. Nothing original there. Oh look, she was in I Am Legend, who was the star of that again? <cough>Nepotism!!!<cough>. Then she had 2 lines in Merry Madagascar, when she mistook a girafe for Santa. Not a lot of range for acting there. Steven Hawking's computer voice couldn't screw that one up. And she had barely noticeable moments in True Jackson. Admittedly I haven't seen the American Girl movies, but she's not even on the poster for it, although they did put a monkey and a dog on the poster. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say she probably didn't do much in it. SYNTHESIS: Ok, beyond the fact that Will Smith is a talentless hack (Although I do give credit to Jada Pinkett Smith, who has selflessly sacrificed her talent and career in favor of her lesser husband), have these kids done anything worthy of staring roles? Haley Joel Osment had regular roles on three series, got AIDS from Walker Texas Ranger, was Forrest Gump Jr. and had roles in 17 other programs before he got to The Sixth Sense, and even then, it was Bruce Willis' movie (HJO was a Supporting Actor nominee for that movie). Even then it was another 2 years before he got A.I., and still had to support his way through Pay It Forward before he got that. In Sixth Sense alone HJO had to show more emotion than Jaden and Willow have had to in their entire careers. Macaulley Culkin didn't have to do much in the Home Alone movies, which was pretty much a continuation of his Uncle Buck character, all he had to do was scream. Cute in Home Alone 1, not as cute in Home Alone 2, replaced by Home Alone 3. What has he done since? A lot of drugs and a spanish porn star, but that's beside the point. Acting wise, not much. A swing and a miss at acting in "The Good Son" where he is totally outshined by Elijah Wood, and the same old M.C. crap acting in Richie Rich and Getting Even with Dad. And don't even start on Kings. Great show, but he sucked on it. By far the weakest link. He was surrounded by greatness in that, and came across as the kid who was in his high school presentation of Little Lord Fountlroy. He sucked. But he is Jaden and Willow Smith, no talent but is now out there in front of the cameras. M.C. my not have had the push they are getting though, but are the same cinematic wastes of space. Jeallousy? A little, I wish I had someone rich and famous who if I said, I want to act could throw my ass in front of a camera and guarantee a career for me. You can say what you want about nepotism, but the talent still has to be there. There's nothing that Jaden or Willow Smith have shown that leads a reasonable person to believe that some day they will be the next Drew Barrymore. Nothing! You can see in the video you posted that Willow Smith has attitude. That's great, but that's not acting ability, that's not talent. So don't think for a minute that she's got the skills to pull off this. I miss taking you seriously as an entertainment columnist.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Willy Wonka starring Jaden Smith and Tim Meadows

    by Tigger Tales

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Nepotism is the new black

    by Chewbacca_Khan

    Seriously? No one made that joke yet?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Gingervitis: There is no cure.


  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST

    This is the billionaire's version of...

    by MaxCalifornia.

    ...that obnoxious, self-centered jerk who keeps showing everyone photos of his annoying children (or posting tons of them on Facebook), saying "Aren't they just the cutest? WELL, AREN'T THEY?"), and you have to sort of politely say yes. But whereas the average person can only do this with a group of friends, Smith is doing it to the entire planet, but in two hour big budget movies instead of photos.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:13 p.m. CST

    We're really easy to find in crowded airports.

    by WriteForTheEdit

    So there!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:14 p.m. CST

    And girlfriends call me "Big Red"

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...and I'm of average height and weight, so...

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    <p> kdoc13, you lost me at "Martin Lawrence has more range". Dude, take your case studies and fuck off.<p> The dojo is here making 'gingist' jokes to try and deflect from the rather more unsavoury business of racism.<p> I'm the first guy that ought to have his nose put out of joint by KARATE KID remakes (or ANNIE remakes) from the Smtih family but in truth... it really isn't cause to get into such personal hate about Will Smith's children. Yes, children.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:16 p.m. CST

    I'd love to start a super-race with Alicia Witt

    by WriteForTheEdit

    We'd fucking rule.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:19 p.m. CST

    ...or Allyson Hannigan, yeah, she'd be a fine super-race queen

    by WriteForTheEdit

    Love me some Ginger Willow.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:20 p.m. CST

    But, really, it's Christina Hendricks all the way

    by WriteForTheEdit

    She is my Queen, without question.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Tomorrow, tomorrow she'll

    by dihay

    whip her hair back and forth, tomorrow, cause tomorrow is hair washing dayyyyyyyyyyyyy...

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:21 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    writefortheedit, you go ahead and sow your ginger seeds.<p> Although, the ginger gene is recessive so your kind may not be around a 1000 years from now.<p> A tragedy (or in the words of the rest of humanity, time to PARTY!).

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:25 p.m. CST

    "redhead AND a ginger"?

    by TheSeeker7

    What's the difference? I've been hearing "ginger" more and more the last couple years, I thought it was just another, newer word for redhead.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST

    RE: Cobra--kai

    by kdoc13

    First, "Fuck off," classy. No one was talking to your inbred-redneck ass, now, take your three toed right foot, permanent drooling three-toothed ass back under the front porch or whatever car up on cinder blocks you share with the ten dogs who live near your parent's trailer. Second. Thanks for pointing out that I failed to prove my point with Bad Boys. I'll start by saying that Will Smith had to pretend to be rich (no stretch as by then he was), good with the ladies (again, no stretch beause by that time he was), and urban (no stretch because he came from Philly.) That's three things he had to do and do well, and really didn't. As far as any kind of emotion, well, he had to act smooth, ok I'll give him that one, and bad-ass. Which I still can't really take seriously. I still wait for him to bust out a Carlton dance at times when I watch that. Martin Lawrence had to be urban (which he was), a devoted husband (which he decidedly isn't), peaceful by nature (I'll skip the joke hear about beating his Martin co-star), and then there's the emotion he had to convey, stressed, confused, angry, jealous, and he had to fake a Will Smith immitation (just add a few "woooo!'s and an "Welcome to Erf!" and mission accomplished). So thanks again Cobra. You can go back to sleeping with your sister now.

  • Honestly... First off, half of the damn Annie's out there, on and off Broadway, if not more, weren't real red heads. And lastly, any bitching and moaning about a black actress taking on this role is purely proof that the lot here is stuck in the mid 20th century. What's worse than ignorance? Watching people who have no clue that they are just that. I can't wait until this new Annie is a hit. Can't wait. Can't wait for that moment similar to when Smith's The Karate Kid opened huge and became one of the year's biggest hits. Will Smith has a knack for producing. The majority here do not.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Re: recessive genes and ginger longevity

    by WriteForTheEdit

    This is indeed a problem... but it also makes for a great angle when pressuring for sex (which we have to do all the time, of course)... "Hey, baby, we're like Chinese Pandas... you're helping to save an endangered species..." (Works with the tree-hugger types...)

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Harry doesn't like that song you fucking retards

    by Rupee88

    It called SARCASM. Goddamn some of your are dumb. It's just offensive.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:34 p.m. CST

    writefortheedit does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    edit, when I said I don't have any ginger friends I was fibbing. I actually have a very dear friend who is ginger and he's endured many years of good-natured ribbing about it with a smile.. so maybe i'm projecting that onto this. I hope no one is genuinely offended by comments and take them for what they are... jokes.<p> ps. I dont think Annie HAS to be ginger. It's not a plot point.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:39 p.m. CST


    by The Krypton Kid

    YOU DAMN HYPOCRITE! Where was your outrage when Will Smith crookedly misrepresented the Karate Kid name to ensure a guaranteed hit for his kid?! You were up his butt is where you were, defending him. So spare us the false outrage. You know come the time this movie is released you will be kissing up to him. Remember your false outrage over JJ Abrams sacrilage of a Superman script? And remember how you suddenly lost that outrage after JJ Abrams gave you a personal phone call, you schill? And by the way, an Annie remake is far less offensive than a Karate Kid remake that has NO FREAKING KARATE IN IT!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST

    redheads don't equal gingers

    by elsewhere

    Case in point. Eric Stoltz is a redhead. Rocky Dennis is a ginger.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST


    by Triple_J_72

    News flash: This child is NOT talented, and the song about the hair is STUPID. Sorry.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:43 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    kdoc, I actually own a four bedroom house with a large garden on a very nice street. But if you prefer to picture me in a trailer then please do.<p> Sorry, I told you to fuck off but it felt to me like you were picking on a couple of children (albeit celebrity children) and I didn't like that. Apologies if I read you wrong.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Harry, about Jimmy Olsen

    by OutsideChance

    Has there EVER been a red-headed Jimmy Olsen outside of comics and cartoons? Tommy Bond, Jack Larson, Marc McClure, Justin Whalen, Sam Huntington....I can't think of a single one. That being said, I don't recall you ever having much to say about the Superman films in this regard.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:45 p.m. CST

    cobra--kai: any ginger who isn't laughing at these jokes...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...can fuck right off. We all do normally have great senses of humor (we'd HAVE to, amirite?!?!).

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST

    we all know black people weren't invented until the 1950s

    by gk1

    Annie should be called Annequesha... Rudy did it with Pollyana they called it Polly. no one confused the two. Annie is about an orphan white girl with no pupils in the 1930s... its not about RACE, its about being a CLASSIC. stop with the REMAKES...period next thing you know Will Smith will remake Leave It To Beaver...then black and white shall rise up in a just anger.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Scarlet O'neil was a redhead?

    by Ogmios_the_Eloquent

    i don't know these comics very well but if i remember correctly, Invisible Scarlet O'neil had black hair... starting to doubt myself here, yet, i'm something tells me i'm right. Maybe Harry meant Jean Grey...

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:58 p.m. CST

    A black Kingpin offended us fat white guys.

    by Uncle Stan

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6 p.m. CST

    smith is a sick stage parent

    by john

    and all his children are gonna grow up to be drugged out whores

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:11 p.m. CST

    (...I think I might actually try that "Chinese Panda" line some time...)

    by WriteForTheEdit

    (just for a laugh...)

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Congrats, Harry

    by themanwithaname

    That had to be the dumbest article I've ever read.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:14 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    "and all his children are gonna grow up to be drugged out whores"<p> You see it's comments like that which get my goat... they're just not very nice are they? Says so much more about the person that writes them than the subject.<p> Anyway, edit it's been nice talking with you my friend, and you do have a great sense of humor. Cheers.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Never seen *that* before.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    How else to explain this remake the white man's movie fever?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:28 p.m. CST


    by seansarto

    Don't blame the studios. How do you explain things like "Martin Luther King" being so honored for their supposed contributions that were to benefit "all" of society(you have to remember that this a serious intellectual debate for reasoning because it gives rise to greater inequities) ..and people like say, Thomas Edison not having National Holidays for theirs...Edison's inventions were truly for ALL people..(i.e: the Movies for one) whereas MLK's were decisiveily NOT... So Black people like Will Smith, Jay Z, etc..the whole hip hop loser crew, whood self proclaim themselves paragons of "Black Intelligence" at the expense of their own, are just exploiting a weakness in a society to gain power..It is a very Chinese concept of "currency" based totally in egoism (and thus a "Karate Kid" without Karate..It is main focus was to prime a society for the Obama/Hu Jintao state justify Chinese economic manipulations..etc..It is a new kind of blackface being rock and roll)...Being given a right of way to offend the society at large without ramification..(perversely it is an accolade in the modern psyche) ..They aim to be cast as white icons....This time there is no differentation between the Anglos of Germany and the Anglos of America...And they see themselves gaining the currency of "face" by the aquiescence of fools. When you hear of the Communist conspiracy link to the 60's they mean this kind of subversive terms of projections on a society's psyche...and the whole civil rights dynamic has become a legal loophole to drive all over the American infrastructure. Wake up and smell the doo-doo....THEY WANT and CHOOSE to be offensive to a society that is being generous to them...And then they are ALLOWED to do so..Why?...The majority are prevented from doing such..So they are tools..but of what?...And why foment such inequity and offense? I say get rid of this ghetto mentality. It is like what was mentioned earlier..they become up and arms and hysterical at the slightest offense to their iconography..because they are trying to accumulate status oblivious to the checks and balances that mitigate the American Constitution...But the pendulem must swing... I would blame those who turn their eyes away from the dirty ways of the world, in cowardice or frustration, and those who seek to only steal it's prize.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:32 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:33 p.m. CST

    History repeating itself

    by Richard Ferrell

    When Annie came out in 1982. My ginger sister entered a look alike contest held by a local department store. She was a dead ringer, had the curly red hair, the costume, the freckles. It should have been a lock, but she came in second place to an African-American girl that showed up in a red dress and painted on freckles. I remember our mom laughing all the way home. My sister wasn't upset but that's probably because gingers don't have a soul.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:37 p.m. CST

    More BS

    by seansarto

    And remember SONY is the sponsor and vehicle enabling such..the Japanese who carry raunchiness and porn to spiteful levels in today's lenient media...The power to manipulate other's shame....Shame for the Japanese society has been transformed into something akin to weakness (and so the Clintons are perfect spokespersons)...whereas once it was a moral obligation to not be regarded as shameful....Is this the lasting legacy of the American Occupation? A spitefulness being levied upon the Anglo saxons for winning a war the Japanese initiated?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:37 p.m. CST

    that shit isn't even music

    by The_Ritty

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:38 p.m. CST


    by Dkev00

    and get over it.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Black Cinderella, now this. Ridiculous.

    by JediTray

    I've gotta say I'm not surprised. Whites have become a minority in all aspects of American life, and should they show any backbone, they are accused of being racist. The longer this is allowed, the easier it is for mainstream crap like this to be released. Truly sad.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Eyes on the Prize BS (in closing)

    by seansarto

    ...or not only seek to steal it's prize..but to defend them as their own.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:43 p.m. CST

    bringingsexyback - you are projecting

    by antonphd

    Will Smith is fucking rich, famous and powerful in the industry he currently dominates. who the fuck is he envious of? billionaires?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:45 p.m. CST

    So can we have a white Shaft?

    by fastcars

    Just asking.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:49 p.m. CST

    As a white male...

    by darth_ghidorah85

    Yes, it is kind of disappointing that white characters have to be turned into minorities to appeal to the modern american masses, but it happens unfortunately. however, while minorities complain when ethnic characters are turned into white actors everyone REALLY gets in an uproar. to that point, as races change in cinema, it can sometimes work, and really well i might add. case in point, batman begins. ra's al ghul is a middle eastern character in the comics, but was portrayed VERY WELL by Liam Neeson. Albeit, Ra's al Ghul in Nolan's batverse is more of a title, also consider that the first ra's al ghul in the film was played by Ken Watanabe, a japanese person. i can't imagine anyone playing those roles in that film other than them. in fact, in the entire league of shadows, i dont recall seeing a SINGLE middle eastern actor. the real problem is will smith's nepotism. i don't hold a hatred towards any of his children, but he is capitolizing on prior films to GUARANTEE his childrens' success. the karate kid remake has nothing to do with the martial arts style of karate, any variation of said style. as a martial artist, i find it offensive as kung fu and karate are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!!! Will Smith fears his kids cannot succeed on their own, hence the day the earth stood still, the karate kid, and now annie. it's so blatantly obvious!!! and willow's "song" is one of the absolute worst piesces of music ever concieved, and it has nothing to do with race. it sucks dick!!!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:50 p.m. CST

    way to give racists something to complain about, Harry

    by antonphd

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:50 p.m. CST

    You lost me at..

    by pauduro

    "I like Will Smith - and his daughter Willow Smith is incredibly talented" yeap stoped reading after that

  • If that's been done already, tough shit.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Harry's awareness?

    by Dave

    Can't tell if Harry realizes the possible offensiveness of announcing that he considers it offensive that a redheaded character is going to be played by a black actress because redheads are discriminated against, or if he understands and is joking/being sarcastic

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:10 p.m. CST

    can someone explain this? (RE: aw hell naw)

    by Billy_D_Williams

    i don't get why people keep saying this...i know what it means and have heard it before, but in what movie does Smith say this? i don't remember him every uttering these immortal words. and everytime there's an article about Smith, it comes up.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Maybe they could make a movie of the Cosby Show

    by Ingeld

    and have them all white, red heads.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:14 p.m. CST

    congrats, Harry

    by awardgiver

    You are just making sure the racist trolls still have a place to hang out on the way to their white power webistes so they can have something else to make fun of and complain about. Really, this complaint of yours is just stupid. And yes, there are light skinned black girls with red hair and my own family. Sorry to bust your closed minded bubble head. Never thought you would sink this low.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Will Smith, lame idea dude....

    by Dark Doom

    Your children aren't as entertaining as you think. But if you want to fuck up their lives, go ahead and do it. Annie will suck and Karate Kid (JUDO?? DOUCHE BAG??) sucked. And Mr. Smith you have the acting range of Roger Moore (one emotion). So I guys I'll just sit back and watch this train wreck you'll make of your kids lives. Oh and can Justin Beiber star in Malcolm X? because that makes as much sense as this cunt fart of an idea.. major suckage......

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:19 p.m. CST

    They'll be outcry here in Japan too...

    by AndoSoundsLikeAMong

    Because the name of the book is "Redhaired Anne" in translation! They aren't going to be able to use the name that everyone knows it by over here for the film!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:19 p.m. CST

    this country's obsession with "race"

    by Billy_D_Williams

    why are we obsessed with race? we're not we're obsessed with class. black/white means nothing ultimately, it's more about the class these roles end up being put in. the Fresh Prince of Bel air could easily have been a "white" show, and been virtually the same. when people look at morgan freeman, and sam jackson, they don't necessarily see black men, they see well spoken, dignified individuals, not much different than william hurt, or richard attenborough, who aren't considered "white actors", they're simply actors...but when you look at Tyrese, you definitely see a black man, because his attitude is more urban...i feel like when someone is seen as much urban and less "educated", their race becomes much more amplified and at the forefront of decision making. it's almost like class is more the dividing line of racial relations than actual race.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Ahh, quit yer bellyachin'!

    by cricklewood

    Never seen Annie, won't see this one. Who gizza shit?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:22 p.m. CST


    by TheNotoriousDRB

    Your insistence on committing foul acts of nepotism by forcing us to watch you tailor make roles for your bastard children Beau and Jeff has RUINED HOLLYWOOD!!!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Additionally, for the stupid idiot amateur closet racists

    by TheNotoriousDRB

    Please, when you try to say "Well what about if White person X played historical and actual Black person Y in this movie..." Try to remember one thing: ANNIE IS A FICTIONAL CHARACTER. Annie, by all means can be portrayed by a black actress in the same exact way that OTHELLO WAS PLAYED BY WHITE ACTORS. Olivier, anyone??? Also, a piece of trivia, the original Shaft, as conceived by Ernest Tidyman was originally a white detective. By the time the first novel had come out, he'd been changed to a Black Sex Machine Detective and we are ALL the better for it. Look, personally, I couldn't care less either way, because I'll likely not see any version of Annie, so please, please don't hold this character (whom many of you have no actual connection to) as some white holy grail. The Huston version of the film was a flop, and the Comic strip was basic horseshit jingoism.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST

    I blame Xenu

    by MGTHEDJ

    The head of Scientology needs money, so take all the salaries of Will, Jada, Willow, Jaden, and whoever else is in this (Katie Holmes?, Forrest W.??, Reneee Z???)) , plus all their percentages of the gross. Since the leader gets half, that's a nice amount of change come Dec. 2012.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST

    I may be wrong

    by shazam7

    But people might not be persecuting you because you have red hair. When I look at you that's the last thing I notice. Jus sayin.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST


    by darth_ghidorah85

    it's such an easy way out to immediately call someone defending their pride racist. again, as i said, sometimes changing race can work, ie ra's al ghul, nick fury, baxter stockman in '80's TMNT, etc. i'll tell you im not hating on his children. im hating that the man, who has great power in hollywood, doesnt have confidence in his children to come up with an original character for them. it's simple, obvious fact. everyone loves will smiwh, white or black (overall i might add). surely racist white hollwood doesnt know that!!!! that's all im saying.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Yes, I get it, Will Smith is the uppity negro.

    by TheNotoriousDRB

    How dare he thrust his children on stage like so many white Hollywood luminaries? So, join me in offering a hearty "BURN IN HELL" to: Lon Cheney, Sr. Douglas Fairbanks, Sr. Darryl Zanuck Frank Capra Frank Mankowicz Kirk Douglas Donald Sutherland Zombie Bruce Paltrow Bob Downey, Sr. Bruce Dern Eric Roberts (because of course we all hate him) and the Grand Dragon of Nepotism... Lloyd Bridges, may you rot in hell for forcing us to watch your children. I know I feel better. How about you?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Oh, and this whole "Coming up with their own character" garbage?

    by TheNotoriousDRB

    Really? I mean I want to know how any of you bananaheads reconcile this foolishness. Who does Annie belong to? So, if she only belongs to white people (and honestly, keep her, she's a relic of an unwanted past) I shall expect that ALL of you will join me in saying that no white actor should ever play the character of Othello again, right???

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Does This Mean We Can Do a White Remake of Roots?

    by Bruda5000

    I mean if color doesn't matter and all, we should be able to do a roots remake with a white cast being oppressed by the black man? Or better yet cast a white guy as Lando in a new Star Wars movie. How about we remake Glory but focus on a white infantry unit. Race doesnt matter right? Oh that right, it does matter in certain circumstances. I love me some Sam Jackson, Richard Roundtree, Will Smith, Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington, Oprah, Chris Rock, and a slew of other great black actors. I am not racist but do get pissed that to make my point I have to state that I am not a racist. Annie is about a little white girl looking for a family. Thats the story as it was written and performed. Why do people insist on fucking with it? If they green light this bullshit then I am going to redo Good TImes with George Clooney and Helen Hunt. There should be no problems with that right?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Just call the movie "Blannie"

    by kubricksnutsack

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST

    As in...

    by kubricksnutsack

    Black Annie.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST

    You can do a White Remake of Roots. YOU CAN!

    by TheNotoriousDRB

    Except it will be unbelievable and so completely out of context that even other white people will say, "Hey! My ancestors where never carried over from Denmark on slave ships and forced to be separated from their families while being sold off not unlike livestock...what gives?" Said white person will then change the channel back to Grey's Anatomy and forget about what would be the largest failure of a remake ever. But hey, if you have the balls and the money, sure, you can remake Roots with white people so you can prove a point that only you and other purists would care about anyway. Whatever blows your hair back, Chief.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST


    by CreasyBear

    Annisha. Annieasia. Anniquita.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST

    I love

    by shazam7

    All of you champions of Annie. very manly.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:44 p.m. CST

    thenotoriousdrb nailed it...

    by Billy_D_Williams

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:45 p.m. CST


    by darth_ghidorah85

    again i stated it can work. what youre failing to see is smith has 0% confidence in his children!!!! come up with something original!! jaden is really a great child actor, i dont hate on him like most do, but why call it the karate kid? can you answer me that? only to capitalize on a popular franchise to guarantee his son's success. trust me, even though im white, i think donald glover would have made a great peter parker. it's not about race (with me and about 70% of the disapprove-rs), but about the how he is utilizing his children. seriously

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:46 p.m. CST

    well said bruda5000

    by darth_ghidorah85

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:48 p.m. CST

    "I'm also going to be said to see the 30's Setting go away."

    by Immortal_Fish

    Yes. It will be said. Here and elsewhere, for years to come.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST

    mountains out of molehills

    by Ciderman

    Who cares if he remakes Annie? If its sh1te then no one will bother seeing it, if its actually good then why not? As for white folks making it a race thing, for zombie jesus' sake get over it. You're all Americans, isn't that stigma enough? As an Irish ginga ninja I am sensitive to the plight of fellow red head and red head discrimination, but Annie? Surely the carrot topped equivalent of Amos and Andy, merely reinforcing the stereotype of red heads as curly haired orphans, always prepared to burst into song at any moment, were not all like that you know!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:50 p.m. CST

    It's really quite simple....

    by OldDickLemon

    Ignore them, like America has with the last dozen Will movies, and virtually everything Jada has ever done, and they will go away. Nothing makes someone unviable in Hollywood quicker than losing money.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:52 p.m. CST

    exactly olddicklemon

    by darth_ghidorah85

    the gingers will still have the original. i think many of the people on this board, including harry, are missing the point. it shouldnt be a race thing, but that's how it's coming across. MLKjr would be disappointed

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:56 p.m. CST

    That is a brilliant move

    by beane2099

    Every black person in America will see it twice. I give props to the black community on this. When a movie comes out made by and starring black people they will see it in droves, young and old, male or female. White people demonstrate no such solidarity but then they don't have to, cause the rest of the movies are the "white" movies Just look at the last month of movies: Tron, True Grit, Meet the Fockers, Yogi Bear, Gulliver's Travels, The King's Speech, Black Swan, Green Hornet, Country Strong; to name a few. Some of those flicks had not one single person of color in them and those that did, it was a very small part if anything. From a personal standpoint, I enjoyed Kung Fu kid almost as much as Karate Kid (especially the tournament portion. That was boss), so I think they'll do a good job on this as well.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:57 p.m. CST

    thenotoriousdrb, I think what's offending people here is...

    by CountryBoy

    ... Smith is launching his kids, basically out of nowhere, into huge productions, AS THE TITLE CHARACTERS, in an apparent effort to make them Movie Stars right out of the gate. Sure they had a handful of small roles before this, but nothing that merits such a coronation. It just leaves a bad taste in your mouth. I don't know the early careers of all the stars you reference; but of those I do know, Robert Downey Jr., Keifer Sutherland, Michael Douglas, Gwyneth Paltrow, and Laura Dern all spent years in TV or small movies before they became stars. (They also only became stars in adulthood.) None of them was foisted on us at age 12 as the hero of some would-be blockbuster. I think that's the big difference.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:57 p.m. CST


    by TheNotoriousDRB

    Welcome to the world of open markets. I can guarantee you that there is enough media out there that you can let Will Smith and his kids do whatever they want and two things are GUARANTEED to occur: 1) The original films will still exist, in their entirety for you to watch, love and fap over all the live long day. 2) You are lucky enough not to be forced at gunpoint to see whatever it is that they end up doing. That film can get cast, made and distributed and you will never have to see any of it unless you force yourself to click on the link to see the trailer so that you and other can have more bitching fuel loaded in the rocketship USS Butthurt. I remember when this very site broke the news that there was a remake of Fritz Lang's "M" on the way with Jet Li. The Talkbacks were AFLAME with hatred and butthurt. And many of you actually saw Cradle to the Grave, and more importantly, I don't believe it tarnished the original one iota.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Popeye was a redhead?

    by Bubba Gillman

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Country Boy, what say you about Lloyd Bridges

    by TheNotoriousDRB

    Lloyd, who forced his kids on Sea Hunt and The Lloyd Bridges Show? Or what about Ozzie Nelson for that matter?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:06 p.m. CST


    by ThatEndDown

    The idea that any remake could tarnish the reputation, respect or admiration one feels towards the original has always been laughable to me.

  • they like the most retarded shit. i fucking hate kids

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:13 p.m. CST

    You Can't Be Serious

    by MakNeil

    Someone here actually compared Will Smith's daughter playing Annie to a white cast in Song of the South!? Are you kidding? Is anyone here pretending that Annie is so iconic, so valuable a film that they have difficulty with a person of color playing the role? Jeez, some people here need to lighten up. It's ANNIE, for Christ's sake! Some of us may have beautiful memories of that, and this remake doesn't invalidate them. Another interesting trend I am noticing is how suddenly–when it's in reference to Will Smith–nepotism is a problem. Take a look at many our younger actors (or even older ones in some cases) and see how many of them have very well-connected parents in that particular field or another. Think that Liv Tyler got where she is exclusively because of her acting skills–though she is a good actress–or that daddy Steven didn't have just a little bit to do with it. Chris Pine's, to choose another example, dad was the guy who played the captain on C.H.I.P.s. Do you actually think that he had nothing at all with Chris being where he is now? American runs on nepotism, after all it not what you know, but who.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:13 p.m. CST


    by MaxCalifornia.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:17 p.m. CST

    ::Rolls eyes::

    by DigitalBeachWar

    Really dumb.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:20 p.m. CST


    by darth_ghidorah85

    im having a civilized conversation, no need for the derogatory name calling and put downs. please dont put me in the same category as the ignorant folk as im not into the whole name calling thing. never understood it, and it's childish. i asked you a simple question. why call it karate kid? i already made the point that the originals will always be there. i dont care about that. do you understand martial arts? im telling you all it was was a cash-grab to market his children. it really is. why call it annie? there is no other argument. in the end it all boils down to the primary problem in hollywood: lack of imagination. i cant stand by and watch my number one passion, film, continuously fall down the drain, and i would hope that more people would understand that as well. everyone on this site is a film enthusiast, that's a given. surely we have the power to stop this madness, no?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:27 p.m. CST

    incredibly talented?

    by catlettuce4

    Harry, I was rereading that part trying to find the telltale bit that indicated you were joking. Then I realized you might be serious!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:29 p.m. CST

    As for Annie

    by catlettuce4

    Come on, I'm sure it will be rewritten for her and not literally be her in the same exact Annie role we are imagining. I wouldn't even be surprised if they set it in the present day. It is Annie in name only, as I'm sure is their intent. It's ok to reimagine stuff, it can even be done well. Not that I am going to see this thing... I've just no interest in watching it.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:30 p.m. CST


    by TheNotoriousDRB

    Apologies. Now, to answer your question about "The Karate Kid", which I felt the same about, name-wise. Then I saw the movie. I think they explained it off pretty well in the movie, as the Chinese students used the term "Karate Kid" derogatorily towards Jaden. So it made sense in that context. Did it have to be named Karate Kid? No. But it was, and it wasn't a bad movie, and I still dig Cobra Kai and pussy boy Daniel LaRusso... Nothing is fucked.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:36 p.m. CST

    thenotoriousdrb, I don't think your examples are the same thing

    by CountryBoy

    Starring in SEA HUNT or OZZIE AND HARRIET isn't comparable to being in big movies like these. If the Smiths were working their way through TV shows, like Shia Laboef or Emily Osment, I don't think anyone would be so annoyed. It's that they're getting planted in the middle of these aggressive, star-making hype-machines, with little in the way of "paying their dues," that rankles. For me, anyway.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:43 p.m. CST


    by catlettuce4

    I remember people here bitching about the race of the actors in the movies you mentioned, too. So, sorry, you didn't make a point, you just proved everyone else's.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Harry's ignorance.

    by Tai_Pan

    You are aware that Black women can indeed have red hair, right? Talk about a minority... <p> I generously assume that's ignorance and not racism.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:47 p.m. CST

    makneil, about nepotism

    by CountryBoy

    As far as I know, Liv Tyler started out in some obscure indie -- James Mangold's first film, I believe -- called HEAVY. Then I think she was in that movie about the girl who goes to Italy to find her father, whose title -- Oh! STEALING BEAUTY, I think it was called. Again, I don't remember too well. But in neither case was she headlining some big flashy "Look at me!" production. I doubt anyone would complain if Jaden and Willow were starring in smaller movies, as kid actors will do, as they learn the ropes and hone their skills. Even Chris Pine isn't quite the same thing. As with Brandon Routh and SUPERMAN, there was a pre-existing franchise looking for a lead; it's not as though his dad was a famous actor, who one day announced he was rebooting STAR TREK with -- surprise! -- his son in the lead. That would be just as grating as what Will Smith is doing.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:51 p.m. CST


    by iceman199

    You're comparing Chris Pine to the Smith kids? A simple search at IMDB will show that Pine has been acting in bit parts on TV shows since 2003. And he's 30 years old, not a prepubescent like the Smith kids. Of course nepotism is rampant in Hollywood, but this is just a little too much.

  • An epic hair don't that looks like it belongs on a cartoon character.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:58 p.m. CST

    There is no talent at work here.

    by alienindisguise

    Wake up people.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:03 p.m. CST

    apples and oranges

    by Billy_D_Williams

    what is the difference between willow smith and some unknown who gets discovered and stars in a movie...nobody would be bitching about the later, they're both unknowns, it's just that one is will smith's kid, i dont get the logic here...the idea that a celeb uses their status to cast their kid in a starring role is some kind of sacrilege? it's a remake to boot, so it will be terrible anyway.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Little Orphan Anisha?

    by wampa_one

    No thank you.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:15 p.m. CST

    A 10-year-old in makeup and jewellery

    by justmyluck

    The linked WHIP MY HAIR video, beyond discovering a new way to make a Jackson Pollock painting, feels exploitative, IMO. Not that that's news in the entertainment industry. An African-American ANNIE is really no different than 1978's THE WIZ, or Jake Gyllenhaal playing a PRINCE OF PERSIA. Whether anyone ends up buying the crossover is another thing entirely. It would be cooler if the music of ANNIE was upgraded or remixed somehow to modernize it (which will likewise date it), but I'd give it more credit if a new film involved a total overhaul on the musical end rather than aiming for pastiche.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:15 p.m. CST


    by seansarto

    I agree with the resistence to nepotism...It was forewarned of in the Constitution...and is essentially an economic and incestuous trait of is a form of value form of racisim. As far as the icons of other "races" ..How about an African black Mao Tse Tung movie?..Or a Monkey King from "Journey to the West" being potrayed by an African?...Should they write a story about a African Queen of England (Consider the greater implications Othello had as being a critique and insult.....Do you think Diana was seriously killed because of "paparazzi" or because she was sucking Arab c*ck)...How about a Frenchman portaying a Che Guevera type icon in say, the West Indies?....A Chinese Cortez?..Or a Japanese Monetzuma?...Talk about politiclal correctness...Is a black Santa Claus, sensitive to those who promoted the idea?...Take the Black Peter of Holland, the assitant to Sinterklaas?..Should the Dutch be forced to give up a beloved icon up because of a "race" issue?..Iti snot race on those terms it is intellectual property that has a VALUE. How about a reversal of "Driving Mrs. Daisy"?..or was that "The Last King of Scotland"? Look what the Chinese did with Buddhist imagery... Or spealing of Cortez..what the Spaniards did with the Mexican populace... History is rampant with such power grabs by the vanities..Megalomania is essentially being an ego junky or flunky.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:16 p.m. CST


    by gringostar

    hahahahahahahaha! Gold Star!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:16 p.m. CST

    The Flag

    by seansarto

    What do you think the game capture the flag is all about?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:19 p.m. CST


    by gringostar

    You sir, are no Wampa_one - no gold star for you.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Hey what about these redheads...

    by Triple_J_72

    Tori Amos? Lucille Ball? Danny Bonaduce? David Caruso? Kathy Griffin? Lauren Holly? Ron Howard? Danny Kaye? Nicole Kidman? Tina Louise? Ann-Margret? Harpo Marx? Gates McFadden? Donny Most? Bill Mumy? Laura Prepon? Molly Ringwald? Howdy Doody? ... Hello?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:25 p.m. CST

    To hell with the children

    by Chief Joseph

    I'm tired of this "children are off limits to criticism" schtick. If you don't want your kids to be criticized, don't get them into showbiz! And especially don't shove them down the public's throat like the Smiths are doing. I remember people pulling similar "off-limits" schtick with Jake Lloyd and he didn't even have minority status to hide behind. It's amusing to see everyone (even Harry) walking on eggshells when it comes to these spoiled, untalented brats because of their race. If Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie were shoving their (bilological) brats into title roles of remakes, you'd all be furious.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Willow looks way more creepily like her dad...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ...than Jaden does. Scary and weird.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:31 p.m. CST


    by MakNeil

    What's happening with Will Smith and his children is no different than anyone else with gobs of money and influence in a particular field. Now, I can understand that you don't like Will Smith as an actor–for me he's OK, but not my favorite by any stretch. But to pretend that what's he's doing with getting his children parts is somehow unusual or strange is extremely disingenuous at best, and self-deceptive at worse. He has the juice to do it, and I say why not? If you're not interested, just don't see the films. And nepotism isn't just limited to Hollywood. Rupert Murdoch's sons are intimately involved with his business (which these days is just about everything), and I feel pretty secure in saying that that just being his sons has everything to do with where they are now. And let's not forget Tim Russert's son. He has the Washington beat for NBC News (I think he's covering the White House, but don't hold me to that), which is a position usually given to much more seasoned reporters. Did him being Tim Russert's son have anything to do with that? I don't see how it couldn't. Nepotism is American as apple pie, and not only in Hollywood.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Maybe I'm just a purist

    by Chief Joseph

    Because I feel that when adapting a visual medium like comics (which Annie is), the actor needs to looks as close to the comic character as possible to make the connection. This includes race, amongst many other things. I'm not really even fond of Hugh Jackman's Wolverine because he's like a foot too tall and too "handsome". There was probably a little Canadian guy out there that was born for that role and was shut out.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Used to work with a guy whose mom went to high school with Lucy...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ... he said she always told him Lucy was a major skank.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Seriously? This is what the site has come to?

    by Tangent

    Maybe its just me, but as a fan of cinema, I could care less that they are making a black Annie. I'm significantly more upset that they are remaking it at all as the original still holds up decades later and guess what Harry, you should be too. If it isn't bad enough that every story you've written in the past week has had the actual news interwoven with boring stories about your recovery, now you have to go on a redhead crusade? Hell, you couldn't even give us the straight up Oscar Noms without fucking around with the nominees names which I'm sure you thought was cute but most of us just found annoying. Look, I sympathize with your health issues which is why I haven't brought it up until now, but seriously dude? We come here to read the latest up-to-date news about the world of film and television, not to hear your personal anecdotes about how difficult it is being you or why you are personally offended over something because it steps on something near and dear to you and only you. If you want to form a little editorial column thats your own private thoughts and memories so those who care can go check it out, do so. But in the meantime, please keep your personal crap out of the news headlines.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:33 p.m. CST


    by Chief Joseph

    Yes, and people just LOVE Rupert Murdoch. Nepotism sucks isn't particularly American at all. It is human nature, though.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Donny Most, Don-ny Mo-ost...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ...He was Ralph on Happy Days. Donny Most, Don-ny Mo-ost, Now he rises from the haze. (Actually, it's Don Most now.) Donny Most, Donny Mo-ost, Sunday, Monday, Ha-appy Daaays.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:36 p.m. CST

    HARRY'S posts are grinding my use of this site to a halt?

    by moonlightdrive

    Strangely I can access the other posts quickly. Wonder if it is 'googleleads' playing a part?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Wow her look, movement and facial expressions look just like Jaden

    by moonlightdrive

    Wow her movement and facial expressions look just like Jaden. It could almost be him.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:37 p.m. CST

    "Fuck the Children" - George Carlin

    by Chief Joseph And fuck geoffrey_fourmyle, too. He seems a little too in love with the Smith kids.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Dear God that music video!!!

    by Alphanumeric1971

    What the hell were they thinking!!!??? I, feel so... dirty now. Must go shower and get clean, Must get clean *sob*

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:45 p.m. CST

    All you damn nerds complaining about a black Annie...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ...get a fuckin' grip. Hell, they don't even publish the goddamn comic strip anymore, it's practically a dead franchise. I'd compare it to, I dunno, some friggin' forgotten Golden Age comic book superhero that's now in the public domain but still unused because no one gives a damn anymore... like maybe the Green Turtle or some shit (and yes, there really was a hero called the Green Turtle back in the 40's). At least someone's interested in trying to revive the character. And Harry, no offense, yeah, you're a minority. However, there's never been a history of violent discrimination against people with red hair, except, of course, by Cartman, and that doesn't count, he's a badly animated and lately, badly written, cartoon. Geez! That said, I do agree that Will Smith is a douche.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Wild Wild West just as stupid

    by JamesWest

    Just as stupid as re-making Wild Wild West with him as James West!!

  • They're setting these kids up for a big, inevitable fall when they cease to be cute. And for all you talkbackers praising Haley Joel Osment, where is he now? And he could actually act.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Of Course,

    by alvin

    Just like the gay a**holes who want to say that every other character in tv history was gay, or the female a**holes who try to rewrite history in movies and tv by saying that women had a more power than history says, or the white a**holes who think that white men should have all the leading roles in tv and movies instead hispanics, black and asian men. All through film and tv history, prominent families in the industry have put their children in all kind of shows. But since most of those families were and are white, it's okay, if your a black family though, its a conspiracy, and 'oh the horrors' THEY are undermining the very fabric of the film industry. The audacity of remaking a movie with(shudder) black people!!! Using the famous code words used by white people(arrogant=uppity), the Smith family should be lynched for even thinking about making a movie with their children in the leading roles. It's just not done!!!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 10:09 p.m. CST

    If only Harry had been this way with Karate Kid....

    by Tron8278

    Igore this movie. That's all you have to do. Dont go see it. You people keep complaiing about remakes of beloved movies, yet you all go anyway. Multiple times! Just dont go see this. We have more power than we like to believe. As soon as Karate Kid was a success, a million other remakes were greenlit. Dont go see it, and it will go away. If a certain genre of movies dont make money, movie companies will stop making them.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 10:22 p.m. CST

    There is a difference in having a family connection...

    by Tron8278

    and buying roles for you kids. Sure, if the son/daughter wants to make it into the business, the father/mother would point you to most likely to their agent, or a reputable agent to get AUDITIONS for a role. It would be like falling into a management position with no experience, no talent, no vision at a majo retail simply because his dad is the president. (wait that really happened, didn't it? On a much bigger scale! lol)

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 10:30 p.m. CST

    No difference

    by alvin

    That is so much bulls**t. If someone wants to use their money to make a movie using family members its a sin. But when family uses their influence to get their kids movie roles they are unqualified for, that's okay?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Eric Stolz & Johnny Whitaker are both Gingers!

    by Drunken Busboy

    Just Sayin!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Eric Stoltz sucks

    by Bobo_Vision

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 11:03 p.m. CST

    They should make a white version of THE WIZ!

    by Drunken Busboy

    Pure Box Office Gold! ;)

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Billy Mumy another famous Ginger!

    by Drunken Busboy

    The man who gave the world the song "Fish Heads"! Eat them up! Yum!!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 11:19 p.m. CST

    i still dont get the logic here

    by Billy_D_Williams

    where is the rule book on nepotism? it's like splitting hairs here...a star using their power to get their kid a role on some small TV show or some supporting role in a movie is ok, but if Smith gets his daughter the lead role in a remake of a movie that's already been remade from broadway is somehow unacceptable? im trying to figure out where people are coming's like a 50s version of sunday school rules on dating...kissing is ok, but no tongue...touching is ok, but no it seems arbitrary as fuck and just comes across as whining...the key here is people seem to be pissed because it's a starring role in a known commodity, but again, where is the rule book on nepotism...WHY is this somehow different than the other examples of TV or supporting roles?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Superman and Batman Are Fictional as Well. Lets Re-Cast Them.

    by Bruda5000

    Let me of course begin with the obligatory "I am not a racist proclamation." Earlier in the talk-back people made the point that because Annie was a fictional character that it shouldn't matter if a black actor was cast in the role. I submit to you that Annie in some circles is as every bit iconic as Batman or Superman. Therefore with the new Superman re-launch, Nolan should cast a black actor in the starring role. Shit lets take it a step further, Superman is now a Filipino Woman not from Krypton, but from Kripton a Detroit suburb. The point I make is that they shouldn't mess with iconic roles just to make social statements. My viewpoint isn't limited or short sighted. It's not racist or meant to incite. It's just a casual fan of humanity begging and pleading for people to stop fucking with shit.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 11:41 p.m. CST're splitting hairs

    by Billy_D_Williams

    it doesn't matter how iconic a fictional character is....changing their race does absolutely nothing to the story. unless you believe all blacks are jive talking hood rats and would never be born into money like bruce wayne...ah ha, but see now we're talking about class, not race, which is the real issue. comic book characters have so many origins, changes in background, life, etc, that arguing about skin color is absurd and truly splitting's just one change among many that go into adapting something, or changing from one artist to another. "batman can't be black"...why not? because he's white in the comic? well in the burton movie the joker killed his parents, which is a huge change from the comic, but somehow not as bad as making bruce wayne black, because in the back of people's minds, black people would never be the billionaire giants the wayne's were in the comic. again, why not? it's just a fucking comic book. my point is, the real fundamental issue is class, not race....and its betraying people's ingrained, closet racism...they dont even realize they're being racist by default.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 11:52 p.m. CST

    In twenty years, she'll be Beau Bridges---

    by deathraycharles

    well, she's got a fifty-fifty chance at any rate...

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Should have went with an Albino this time.

    by Tikidonkeypunch

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Should have went with an Albino this time.

    by Tikidonkeypunch

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Harry, I agree wholeheartedly. To make you feel better...

    by ugh

    ...just imagine Annie being played by Christina Hendricks. Believe me, it will be a while before you are able to get that thought out of your head. [Ah!, happy thoughts.]

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:33 a.m. CST

    WhitePeople, PLEASE! The least we can do is give them Annie...

    by illegal alien vs sexual predator

    ...after all that slavery and segregation they deserve it, and more

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Gingers aren't some repressed minority

    by Nabster

    This article is dumb.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:52 a.m. CST

    seriously.........why does anyone here give a flying fuck about Annie?

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Shouldn't we be busy elsewhere getting into nerdy pissing contests over Avengers, Starwars, Spider-man or Tron? You know shit that's important and relevant to us as an internet geek community. If Will Smith wants to thrust his kids into the whorish Hollywood spotlight and intends on doing so via roles formerly occupied by white people (aka leftovers) let him do his thing. Jsut don't see the damn movie....ignore like you did that nightmarish Honeymooners movie.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:58 a.m. CST


    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Just don't see the damn movie....ignore it like you did that nightmarish Honeymooners movie.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Ease on down the road

    by Boo Cocky

    The Wiz called. It wants its idea back.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 1:07 a.m. CST

    if aicn was around during the wiz........

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    all of the Judy Garland fans would be up in arms and banning Michael Jackson music.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 1:50 a.m. CST

    Now this is a story all about how...

    by thound3

    I pimped out my no talent kids into cash cows... Now I'd like to take a minute just sit right there, and I'll tell you how I became the svengali of Bel Air...

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 2:13 a.m. CST

    abc did the musical, cinderella with a racially mixed cast

    by john

    i didnt like it, but many young people did there have been productions with african american girls cast as one of the orphans have no problem with a black annie what my problem smith he has become what i consider to be the worst of hollywood so eff him...and eff this remake

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 2:18 a.m. CST

    the funniest part of this

    by john

    is that smith learned nothing from his bit as jim west certain characters just cant be recast as another race or maybe we should remake enter the dragon with a pasty faced ginger

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 2:32 a.m. CST

    Re: Black ANNIE

    by ArmageddonProductions

    Soooooo ... I guess there's not enough scripts out there with actual African-American original characters or something? Is Will Smith, and, by default, apparently every other member of his immediate family not gonna be happy until everything is remade with black characters that were originally white or Asian (re: the we-dodged-a-helluva-bullet aborted OLDBOY remake)? Am I a closet racist? Fine, fine. I'm gonna see how far I'll be able to develop a "white" version of SUPERFLY, THE COLOR PURPLE or DO THE RIGHT THING.

  • as long as you put "Black" or the letters "Bl.." as part of the movie title. At least that's what history tells us. Blacula Blackenstein Black Shampoo Dr. Black & Mr. Hyde Black Caesar Black Fist Black Samurai I didn't make these titles up. These films exist. So what do you prefer, "Black Annie", or simply "Blannie"? And everybody who is defending Will Smith's extreme nepotism by pointing to everybody and anybody's son, daughter, cousin or whatever who seemed to get their Hollywood start because of a famous parent, I say how many of them essentially bought and paid for the entire film that starred their spawn? Not many (maybe Tori Spelling & Sofia Coppolla). I don't begrudge the Smiths for wanting to give their kids a leg-up on the ladder of Hollywood success, as other famous parents have done it. But the Smiths aren't trying to give their kids just a leg-up, they're essentially buying the helicopter to take their kids straight to the top. No struggle, no learning of the craft, no time to discover what it takes to make it on their own (or even possibly making a real decision on their own that they want to follow in their parents' footsteps). And that is what I disagree with.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Don't worry about the kids.

    by Yaroh_Meringue

    Scientology has 'em covered. A little bit of time on the e-meter can clear anything -- child star syndrome, homosexuality, autism. If you're the child of a Scientologist, nothing bad can ever happen to you.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 2:56 a.m. CST

    P.S. - THE WIZ

    by ArmageddonProductions

    By the way, the ONLY thing anybody remembers from THE WIZ is that goddamn Michael Jackson music. I think less people actually saw it than RETURN TO OZ. I certainly wasn't in arms about that one; they called it "THE WIZ" and consciously took pains to make it an alternative and somewhat parodic version of the original. That's thousands of miles away from making a feature version of "Wild, Wild West" and shoehorning in an actor who bore no resemblance whatsoever to James Conrad from the series, or spitting all over the cache of the KARATE KID franchise by sticking in his kid and concurrently daring the public to react to the change in skin color while showing enough racial ignorance and contempt to call a movie set in China about being taught kung-fu "THE KARATE KID". Shouldn't it also be racist to assume black audiences will run out in droves to see a "black" version of a movie that originally had a white cast? They were doing the exact same thing in the Thirties when studios discreetly shelled out cash to black filmmakers to make low-rent, all-black remakes of their more successful fare to garner money from poor black audiences ... only, nowadays, most film historians consider those films (and the mindset behind them) to be racist pandering.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:01 a.m. CST

    as a black guy, your post annoys me harry

    by Jonathhan Kana

    as a "minority" you are whining about another minority getting a chance to do something other than shoot guns or crack or basketball. Cant you see the irony in your post? Jeez man. I applaud any and all minority roles that are either new or re invent old stories that have traditionally had white characters (since they were too damn racist to cast minorities in the roles then). All the whining people who use the cliche Shaft talking points, keep being bitter. White people cant and wont have everything. America is changing whether you people like it or not.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:07 a.m. CST

    oh and one last thing

    by Jonathhan Kana

    the racist bs in this post, like many of the posts here at AICN isnt lost on me either. Harry doesnt know have any black people as close friends, and it doesnt make him racist, but I can bet that he also doesnt CARE, quite simply, about what blacks go thru, hence his bitching and moaning about being a ginger. its really quite sick. You people keep telling on yourselves.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Re: Black ANNIE Part Deux

    by ArmageddonProductions

    Actually, the label "Black ANNIE" was more to differentiate it from the original, but it would at least be an honest title. Simply calling it "ANNIE" suggests we should ignore the eighty or so years Annie was a white redhead -- i.e. - the period of time in which the character, the comic strip, the radio show, the Broadway musical and the movie(s) became the viable, world-recognized property that attracted the impending Hollywood re-sodomy in the first place -- and embrace the doubleplusgoodness of revisionist history. Had it been labeled "THE KUNG FU KID", I seriously doubt it would have affected ticket sales, but I'm almost positive it would have gotten less flack. Had Will Smith shot almost the same movie, but called it "QUICK DRAW" or "TRUE STORIES OF SCIENTOLOGY IN THE OLD WEST" or even "HOW THE WEST WAS JIGGY", WILD WILD WEST probably would have tripled its box office. You think this is bad? Try to imagine the backlash if Seth Rogen mounted a remake of FRIDAY.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:24 a.m. CST

    no, just call it Annie

    by Jonathhan Kana

    we dont need to differentiate SHIT. Annie was an AMERICAN, its a story about an ORPHANED AMERICAN GIRL who gets wrapped up in some crazy shit and enters the life of a old fuck who he finds he can still love. thats not a WHITE story. I mean seriously, you white people need to GET OFF THE SHIT. Its fucking 2011! What in the hell is WRONG with you people? The world you think you knew didnt really exist then, and it sure as HELL doesnt exist now. Get with the program or be miserable FOREVER.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:29 a.m. CST


    by Jonathhan Kana

    to white ones? Yes that makes a ton of sense. Lets compare the 1000 good black characters to the 982098439289482903849823094829480932 white ones, and pretend as if it would be unfair if the outrage was the same. Are you people REALLY that stupid? Like seriously? I see you morons keep on mentioning Shaft or Friday or Malcolm X (mind you, the same characters OVER AND OVER AND OVER again) as if equal outrage is enough. Do you idiots even read over what you say? I mean shit! No wonder America is going down the toilet! You people simply refuse to let go of your "whiteness". But its gonna continue to happen whether you like it or not.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Re: johnathankana

    by ArmageddonProductions

    How is complaining over being something being miscast inherently "racist"?!? You should actually be more angry about it than the alleged "whiteys" on here. Do you go to see movies only because they're cast with black actors? Do you have a reason Will Smith's daughter should be cast in the role beyond "black actors deserve more roles"? And whether you want to admit it or not, how pissed off would you be if Jason Statham showed up in a SHAFT remake? I certainly don't mind your opinions here, as they were well-stated (though blinded a bit by anger), but let's not ascribe nobility to this thing: it's racial pandering. I'm pretty sure Jay-Z's involvement means they're not gonna go by the Broadway book, and I have a sneaking suspicion Daddy Warbucks isn't gonna be helping to finance World War II this time around. At the end of the day, it'll be about an orphan named "Annie" who gets adopted by some rich guy and does yet another rap song with "Hard Knock Life" samples in it. It'll bear about as much resemblance to the original property as TOY STORY 3 bears to "Naked Lunch", but they'll be pimping the shit out of the "Annie" connection, because even negative publicity is publicity.</P><p> By the way, I have a fair number of African-American friends, and I'm pretty sure exactly zero of them would be caught dead in a theater showing an ANNIE remake, even if the lead role was being played by a six-breasted Martian midget and Jesus brought Yul Brynner back from the dead specifically to play "Daddy Warbucks".

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:39 a.m. CST

    the problem is you see her as BLACK

    by Jonathhan Kana

    and not as a fucking AMERICAN! YOU are the problem! if she was just some new white girl updating the annie story would it still be so called "pandering"? Of course not. Was The Karate Kid remake "pandering"?? Of course not! YOU are making it about race, you people with your stupid little hiphop jokes and shit. OH HAHAH A HARD KNOCKS LIFE JOKE! OH I GET IT, BECAUSE SHE IS BLACK IT WILL HAVE RAP MUSIC! HAHAHA THEN THE BLACK PEOPLE WILL WATCH IT SO ITS PANDERING HAHAHA dude...shut the fuck up. Seriously. and if one of you STUPID FUCKING IDIOTS brings up Shaft again....good god. Idiots. the lot of you. blithering fucking racist idiots. ITS 2011 FUCK THAT WHINY WHITE RACE SHIT

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:43 a.m. CST


    by Jonathhan Kana

    Bottom line you racist little white nerds just hate seeing minorities get ANY kind of play in real roles. You dont LIKE to watch minority actors unless they are scaring you or making you laugh. Its a FACT, you racist little trolls. So seeing Will Smith pull off Karate Kid and now Annie, it hurts you people because it means the white exterior is being chipped away from America. It is not about YOU. You can argue about it til the cows come home, but thats what this all comes down to. You whites want minorities to stay in these little boxes, to stay in their lanes so to speak, and they REFUSE. And guess what kid? You cant stop them.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Oh, And By The Way ...

    by ArmageddonProductions

    ... I'll bet twenty bucks right now that johnathankana is about as black as last month's issue of "Forbes". I think the over-usage of "you people" was a tad much, even for a professional-level troll.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:47 a.m. CST

    Sweeet Sweeeetbacks Badassss Song...

    by workshed

    ...hire Rupert Grint for the remake and you have a surefire hit Harry. And revenge. Remaking Annie would be a stupid idea if they hadn't done it already, which they have. And Popeye is BLONDE! Same colour hair as TinTin as I recall. Blonde I tellsk'ya.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:50 a.m. CST

    right, now Im the troll

    by Jonathhan Kana

    LOL@ me not being black. Yea, I put up with you troll ass white dudes all the time on XBOX live. So much that I dont want to hear ANYONE tell me that racism doesnt exist in 2011. The N word just comes rolling off yall tongues so well when no one knows who you are. But yea, its so easy for you to call ME the troll when I make absolutely perfect sense, isnt it? Keep falling back on that, and we will keep watching this country fall because of stubborn, ignorant useless white males such as yourself who are stuck on their whiteness for the rest of their lives. I am so envious of our children's children's children who hopefully wont have to deal with any of this got damn bullshit because the concept of american whiteness wont exist anymore.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Annie = Punky Brewster

    by Jonathhan Kana

    I dont see Harry bitching about that.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Use the ultra ginger kendra hendricks and I'm soooo there.

    by ELGordo

    Can you imagine her as a poor orphan? I would adopt her in a second.

  • Since he's producing then it's pretty much a given.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 4:02 a.m. CST

    Re: johnathankana

    by ArmageddonProductions

    Yep, you're the troll. Probably the dumbest thing you could do was counter that accusation with a diatribe specifically tailored to goad a response (which I guess worked, this one time). Not only are you a troll, but you're a WHITE troll. You're haunting a talkback about an ANNIE remake on "Ain't It Cool News" and the only two things you've continued to do is insult "white nerds" and counter anything else anyone says, whether it actually agrees with you or not or whether you actually have a point or not. That's pretty much the textbook definition of "troll", and that, coupled with the fact that ninety percent of what you're posting sounds like you know less about black people than I do (or learned it all by reading a Black Panthers manifesto circa 1973), either makes you a white troll or a black shut-in.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 4:13 a.m. CST


    by Jonathhan Kana

    yea that shows how much you know about black people. I bet you think all we do is drink 40s and listen to rap music right? black guys CANT know about Annie or be on AICN, right? Fucking tea party bitch. You got us all figured out, dont you? I feel sorry for you, seriously. Go fuck your sister,hunt some rabbits and take ot your dentures you inbred fuck.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Finnaly Harry sees Will Smith's true colours.

    by AsimovLives

    I sure takes a lot of time for Harry to see the cynicism and dastardy about many hacks. He's still starry-eyed about mickey Bay and Jar Jar Abrams, for example. i guess it will still take him another ecade to see the surface of the cynicism and dastardy of Holywood's hacks. I'll never understand this type of selective blindness.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 5:07 a.m. CST

    There is no defending Will Smith on the Karate Kid "remake"

    by The Krypton Kid

    If he had called it "The Kung Fu Kid" that would have been fine, but no, he had to crookedly misrepresent the Karate Kid name so to guarantee a hit for his kid. And how was it a misrepresentation of the Karate Kid name, you ask? THERE WAS NO FREAKING KARATE IN IT. I could give a crap about Annie, but you don't misrepresent the Karate Kid name, which is beloved across the world, just to make your kid a star. SCREW WILL SMITH.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 5:16 a.m. CST

    FUCK Family Businesses!!!

    by antonphd

    Fuck every single family business. Farms. Restaurants. Inns. Construction. Accounting. Supermarkets. Banks. Law Firms. But most of all... fuck acting family businesses. Cause nothing is UNAMERICAN like a family business!! Fucking retards!

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 5:18 a.m. CST

    "You people simply refuse to let go of your "whiteness"."

    by buggerbugger

    Oh, the irony. Isn't it time to let go of that massive chip on your shoulder?

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 5:21 a.m. CST

    meta - success in hollywood is about WHO YOU KNOW

    by antonphd

    sucess in hollywood has never been about hard work or paying your dues. it's about being in the right place at the right time and knowing the right person. PERIOD. there are no actors who EARNED stardom. it's bestowed. it's not fair. but hey, that's show business. it is what it is.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 5:39 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 6:24 a.m. CST

    here's what she'll look like...

    by THEE Miracleman!/photo.php?fbid=5961938 95543&set=a.10100315002364583.2924072.5205964&theater

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Who Gives a Shit?

    by Pawprint

    Really - it doesn't make a blind bit of difference what colour Annie's hair is; or her skin is for that matter, in the context of the 'Annie' story. I don't care what colour an actor playing role is, as long as it makes sense in the context of the story. Admittedly, I'd find it a bit jarring to see a black Batman, or Superman, but only because those characters are iconic and have been written and played white for decades. Conversely, I have no issue with a black Nick Fury simply because I don't see him as iconic - nor do I see 'Annie' as iconic - it's the story and music that are iconic in this instance. I imagine that black people would find Iron Man's Rhodey being played by a white actor a bit jarring, but it doesn't change the story at all. What WILL annoy me is if they take the story of Annie and make it 'black, urban, street and sassy for a new generation'. Unfortunately we ALL know that shit is DEFINITELY on the cards.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Stupid, Stupid, Stupid

    by LeftFoot

    Is Will Smith's entire career going to degenerate into a series of family vanity projects. What a self important dick. And why didn't this article mention my wife? She is my favorite redhead.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Wow, Childs...

    by Pawprint

    All those words and all that sentiment, and not once did you say the word 'nigger'.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 7:41 a.m. CST

    ha BSB, geoffrey is going to "kill you filthy"

    by MacReady452

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Y'all got trolled by Harry

    by Bobo_Vision

    But this article is pretty tasteless. Let's face it, if the remake of Annie starred a little white girl with black hair or blonde hair, would Harry have posted that article? No. Obviously not. If Chloe Moretz was starring in the remake of Annie, would Harry have posted a tirade against her because she's not a ginger? No. He would be singing the praises of precious little Hit Girl. So the article is disingenuous and the real intent behind this article is kind of ugly, and a clear attempt at trolling these talkbacks in a tasteless manner.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 7:53 a.m. CST

    And the same goes for the rest of you.....

    by Bobo_Vision

    ....some of you claim the character should look like the comic book character.....yet if it were Chloe Moretz, not only would you not mind even though she's not a redhead....but none of you would be talking about this because honestly....none of you give a shit about Annie. <p> "Hey, Bob, can come to the boardroom, we're about the start our meeting?" <p> "In a minute. I've got to finish this angry comment about the remake of Annie on the internet....." <p> "Uh, sure, Bob...(under his breath) fucking Asperger's freak...."

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 7:56 a.m. CST

    from the pots lips to the kettles ears

    by MacReady452

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Speaking of "Blacula" ...

    by Triple_J_72

    I think Morgan Freeman made a damn good Dracula, back when he was on "The Electric Company." :-)

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 8:05 a.m. CST

    "Willow Smith can absolutely capture the spunk..."

    by MacReady452

    Jeebus Price Harry! That is just fucked up.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Having said what I said, though.....

    by Bobo_Vision

    ...I think it's obvious Harry was joking, but the problem is, most talkbackers don't know that, and are taking this shit seriously.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 8:10 a.m. CST

    how can anyone take this site seriously?

    by MacReady452

    just sayin.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 8:21 a.m. CST

    At least give Harry credit for outing the racists and ignorant.

    by parissun

    Although the ignorant on this site have been outed for a while. Talk about bad analogies. People bring up Malcom X, MLK, Roots and Glory really need to go back to apple and oranges comparisons from kindercare. Yes, Annie being played by a black girl can be compared to a white person playing Shaft or on Goodtimes. No, Annie, being a fictional character, can't be compared to a white person playing a historic figure or events. Now if John Adams was being played by Denzel Washington then you would have a gripe. Annie is not a real historic character. Black kids can be orphans. So you can have a white Shaft but you can't have a white Malcom X. Stop being an idiot. People have to ask if an Annie remake would have even registered on their radar if it wasn't for Will remaking it with his daughter. If it were any other white kid, would you have even cared? The truth that bothers most of you by your post is that it's a little black girl. So it's race. And stop screaming Nepotism. It's not like parents across the country don't use their money, status or influence to give their kids a leg up when they can. You're lying to yourself if you think you haven't benefited from a family member or friend being in the position to give you a leg up or that nice piece of information. Like many other kids, the Smith kids are benefiting from the position of their parents. In most cases it's getting into the right school, getting that job you wouldn't normally get, getting the interview you wouldn't normally get, getting that great internship, getting to go on a great summer trip instead of having to work, etc. In their case it's just movies. Someone already listed a small list of whites who have seen benefit from having famous white parents in Hollywood but I guess it's only when a black parent does the same thing that there is a problem.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 8:33 a.m. CST

    I Hear You billy_d_williams.

    by Bruda5000

    I should also state that when Ron Howard changed whole pieces of The Da Vinci Code for no reason that I could figure I was as equally annoyed. I don't think class or race plays a part in it for me. I just get tired of the elitist hollywood douche-bag messing with things that are important to people. I hate Annie, the only thing good that come out of it was Jay Z's Hard Knock Life. Oh I also agree with a lot of other posters that Will Smith needs to stop forcing his kids on us. Let a poor white kid have a chance Will.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 9:06 a.m. CST

    70s Version? Red Hair?

    by Darren Dodge

    My ginger-haired friend pointed out to me that John Houstons's came out in 1982 and the little girl was wearing a wig.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 9:12 a.m. CST

    There hasn't been a real red head Annie.....hmmmmmmmm...EVER.

    by MacReady452

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Grown ass men bitchin about a kids movie?

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    Really? <p> Harry, you just now noticing how nepotism runs rampant in Hollywood? Will Smith Is doing the same thing that Carl Reiner, Tony Curtis, Jon Voight, Martin Sheen and a host of others has done in Hollywood over the years, which is put there kids in the spotlight! Or is it only cool when "whitefolks" do it? <p> Not a fan of "the Hookup" but hey If it didn't happen I wouldn't have gotten "the Meathead", Laurie being stalked by the shape, Emilio's Billy the Kid or Charlie Sheen's drunken tirades. <p> As far as being pissed about Will Smith's daughter portraying Annie because she's not a "redhead" is bullshit. <p> An earlier talkbacker was correct when he mentioned three movies. Dragonball Z, AIRBENDER AND sPEED rACER.... <p> All three films had casting problems which made All three films unwatchable (FOR ME) because they were famous JapanIMATIONS yet they were cast whiter than Scarface's nose after a couple of toots. You can throw PRINCE oF Persia into that mix as well. <p> Let's not forget "Cinema buffs" that earlier films in The United States of America hired white actors to portray black people by painting there faces black, Birth of A Nation Anyone? <p> So my point is let the kid put on the fuckin' red wig, let her entertain the kiddie boppers and Harry please find something of true relevance to bitch about INSTEAD OF KID MOVIES... <p> Otherwise, change the domain name to AINTIT WEAK AS HELL NEWS..... which seems to be the norm around here nowadays.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Will Smith wants...

    by griffin

    to remake Lassie with his dog in the titular role.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 9:28 a.m. CST

    They should get Kirk Lazarus to be Annie

    by DarfurOnTheRocks2

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 9:32 a.m. CST

    RDJ could get an Oscar for that darfur

    by MacReady452

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Sam Jackson as Daddy Warbucks

    by v3d


  • Jan. 27, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST


    by fpuk99

    After your well-reasoned response to BSBs usual wind-up comment you should probably just leave this talkback while you have any dignity left. And leave that chip on your shoulder at the door next time please.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 9:54 a.m. CST

    I love how the most irrelevant story is the #1 topic of discussion

    by MacReady452

    speaks volumes.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Since black people can be redheads

    by Hipshot

    I'd assume that there is now no complaint, right? Those who think this isn't primarily about race, please just scroll through the above comments. At least half of them are direct or indirect racial references, with a few snipes at Scientology thrown in. It is gloriously clear what the issue is: white males fearful of losing privilege. Bet anything that if the gender/ethnicity stats were revealed, women and minorities would be WAY underrepresented among those who are offended by this. Some of you have the capacity for introspection. Do you, in any way, think you'd protest so loudly, that there would be so much complaint, if it was about a white person taking a black role? A white Shaft? No problem--if I can have a black Harry Callahan. I'd be totally cool with color-blind casting. You're the ones afraid.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Remember the honeymooners movie with the all-black cast?

    by Bright_Boy

    I don't.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 10:22 a.m. CST


    by Dr.DeadPaul

    awesome example \m/

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Will smith and his family can go...

    by AllThosePowers

    ...suck on a bag of d**ks and if that don't help they all need to be serbian filmed away. C*nts, the lot of 'em!!

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 10:29 a.m. CST

    I could never be in the Klan

    by MacReady452

    It is so difficult to cut the eye holes in the right place so I can see. I end up widening and widening until the hood is just useless. That is why the interweb is great. Same racism. Less hoods.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 10:29 a.m. CST

    No whining about Jason Todd?

    by CreamCheeseAlchemist

    Apparently he goes back and forth from being a redhead.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Does Harry get offended when people in films aren't real redheads?

    by Bobo_Vision

    Has he written angry letters to porn companies when the redhead about to get banged removes her panties, and the curtains don't match the drapes? Is that the equivalent of blackface to him? <p> These questions are to be taken as seriously as the above article.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Y'know, Amadeo Zeller had it right on that

    by victor_von_gloom

    Karate Kid thread last year, when he/she stated: "ALL OF YOU WHO ARE ACCUSING WILL SMITH OF NEPOTISM, IS CODE FOR "WHO DOES THIS NIGGA THINK HE IS, CONSIDERING THAT OVER 99% OF HOLLYWOOD'S PRODUCTIONS ARE SOLELY WHITE BEHIND AND IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA? People, it's all about keeping things in its' proper perspective! You can't in good conscious criticize Will for creating opportunities for his children without criticizing Hollywood as a whole for its' egregious RACE BASED nepotism. - Afterall, it's not like they (Hollywood) are going out of their way to hire non-black actors, producers or directors, eh?

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 10:39 a.m. CST


    by MacReady452

    apparently the powers don't spread to uncensored vulgarity. Just let it out pal. We are all mature adults here. BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Maturity. Here. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 10:39 a.m. CST

    As a redhead, Harry finds Anal Fisters Part 6 deeply offensive....

    by Bobo_Vision

  • Etc, Etc, Etc. Why is it such a big deal when a black family does it? Von_Gloom you were right. Tell your sister you were right.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 10:44 a.m. CST


    by Bright_Boy

    Harry's problems with anal fisters part 6 weren't because of the fake redheads, but the unresolved plot points from 5. I mean Rim-star gets here ringpeice blown out by a rubber foot in the end of 5, and then miraculously she's tight enough to break a light-bulb in the infamous "hardware store" scene from part 6? Puh-lease.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST


    by MacReady452

    that is why I liked TAKERS. There was a healthy mix of black AND white actors in that piece of shit film.

  • Once Mel Gibson has got rid of all the Jews in Hollywood he'll go after the Gingers! I heard him say this at a party recently. Honestly. :) But seriously Harry, nepotism and shitty remakes are crippling the industry. Smith's daughter's music career has started with a god-awful noise! I despise it. She has her whole life to gain acting chops. Will is just being a devoted dad - we can all see this. But this just STINKS! He needs some 'quality control' in his life.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST

    lol brightboy

    by Bobo_Vision

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Rascism? Offended?

    by earl of sandwich Losers.

  • what are the Smiffs thinking? Whipped cream wouldn't even be allowed in my refrigerator.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST

    I'm still waiting...

    by Bright_Boy

    for the Alfonso Ribiero acting dynasty.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 11:06 a.m. CST

    i think they should use Lawrence Fishburne's daughter

    by Bright_Boy

    Call it "Slamming Annie's Fannie". "Orphan" or "Or-Fun"?

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 11:12 a.m. CST

    parissun, thank you for being ignorant and racist

    by Dr.DeadPaul

    Granted I will admit that some people may have issue due to prejudice based off of race but I think your statement is kind of ignorant. Through your entire post you are making ignorant assumtions. Most notably you assuming that the other posters must be white because they are upset. Ironically that in itself is a racist statement. All races are capable of disliking casting decisions based of a character not properly fitting the image that they have set in their mind. "Someone already listed a small list of whites who have seen benefit from having famous white parents in Hollywood but I guess it's only when a black parent does the same thing that there is a problem." I have had a problem many times when famous white individuals have used their influence to give their family members good roles. For example the two main characters in "Ponyo". Even when considering they are kids that voice acting was terrible. Furthermore nepotism is a problem everywhere and is a major social injustice. The main reason why people react differently in this case is because it is higher profile. When it involves getting a job as an actor it is more noticeable that a guy getting his little brother at McDonald's because he is the manager. Mind you I don't think that the younger brother in this scenario should even get the job based on his relationships but rather his resume. I personally don't have that large of a problem with her playing Annie. I think that as long as they write the character to have similar personality traits and hardships in life it will be fine. Though the red hair was a defining characteristic I believe that there are others aspects of the film that are more important. I believe that having her father being a famous actor will be helpful. I prefer this over some random red head with a crazy stage mom. She grew up in an acting environment and is more comfortable there than other children her age. This will help reduce stress and hopefully yield a better performance. Dr.DeadPaul

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST

    How come readheaded pornstars always shave their whisker biscuits?


    It takes the fun out of finding out if the carpet matches the drapes.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Earl of Sandwich

    by Hipshot

    Sure, white people get offended about things said about white people. Just fracture them into groups such as Left and Right, Gay/straight, male/female fat/thin etc, and any time one of those fractured groups can see themselves as put-upon, there is offense galore. And since EVERYONE is a member of one "minority group" or another, white people do more bitching and moaning about "poor little them" than all other groups, combined. And just wait until they are actually outnumbered! Then the fun will really begin.

  • Lil orphink Annie? Yeah, ok. First up - Harry. Bitchin because redheads get jilted out of a role. Well let me see, Ill bet you just love the Warner Oland Charlie Chan - and before anyone says that was 70 years ago, how many starring vehicles have there been for Chinese actors? As for the Smiths, well nepotism has existed for as long as man has passed down his craft to his child. Deal with it. Also, how many starring vehicles for children are there? How many of those roles where for minorities of any persuasion? If Smith can get his children into the movies and if people pay to see them what exactly do any of you have to bitch about other than bitching for the sake of whining like bitches?

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST

    You always make me laugh, Bright_Boy


    don't ever stop.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 11:35 a.m. CST



    There will be a black internment colonies a la Escape From New York before that has a chance of happening. You can thank the Tea Party for that.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST

    To be fair, Will's kid was ok in Karate kid

    by tradeskilz

    And i hated on him a lot when i saw the trailer. Sure, Will is giving them all the breaks but both of his kids seem to work hard not to waste the opportunity.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Harry enables the bitchers, er bitches er bitching around here

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    They take their queue from him just like the lemmings do from the lead lemming. In this case the lead lemming is a red-head with bad taste in movies.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Well, when life gives you lemmings...

    by Bright_Boy

    Give Lemmings AIDS.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 11:47 a.m. CST

    bright_boy - funny, but a bit harsh

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    How about just giving them a mean case of hemorrhoids?

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST

    bright_boy knows mercy not

    by Bright_Boy

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 11:54 a.m. CST

    bright_boy - what if it was explosive hemorrhoids?

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    With a dash of irritable bowel syndrome thrown in?

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Follow it up with a Vinegar Enema...

    by Bright_Boy

    And we may be in business. That's what you get in my house for spilling paint in the garage.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST


    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    I knew we could work it out. Can we add some sea salt to that vinegar enema?

  • Jan. 27, 2011, noon CST

    Sea salt? For sure

    by Bright_Boy

    We call that the Martha Poo-Hurt

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:02 p.m. CST

    With a dash of ghost chilli peppers

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    Just think of it. Irritable bowel syndrome and Explosive hemorrhoids, brought on by being forced to take a vinegar and sea salt and ghost chilli pepper enema up the patoot

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST

    It would be epic

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST

    so 30 year old men are outraged about an Annie movie

    by Nerd Rage

    You guys need to choose your battles more carefully. You know what happened to the boy who cried wolf.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST


    by Meta

    The difference between the acting families you cited and the Smiths are; 1) All of others got a start in the industry because of their famous families, and worked their way up, not that they got the lead role first in a big budget motion picture they appeared in and continued to be the stars of their own films because their parents paid for it, which leads to my 2nd point... 2) None of those families you cited paid for an entire film starring their offspring except the Smiths.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    With Jay-Z co-producing...

    by blunted666

    rap fans already know what the best byproduct of this production will be: Jay-Z - Hard Knock Life (Remix) [Ft. Willow Smith] ...using of course the re-recorded chorus from the new feature and a retooled beat by K-West Jigga, you can e-mail to find out where you can send that royalty check for this idea...

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    How about the boy who cried "Teen Wolf"

    by Bright_Boy

    When it was finally time for the big basketball game, none of his teammates were prepared and the teen wolf made them look like fools. Fools!

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:16 p.m. CST


    by Mullah Omar

    While the dynasty factor is already objectionable, I find it especially distasteful that Will Smith is pimping out his young children as a way of building a multi-generational Smith brand and financial empire. Brand = bland. Imposing Will Smith's kids on the entertainment industry isn't good news for anyone but the Smith family and their support staff. Oh, and the original post is just silly. Downtrodden redheads who need a role model to help them with their troubled lives? Please.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:21 p.m. CST


    by fpuk99

    Great come back! Can I play you in the TV adaptation of this talkback? And I assume from your KKK comment that you make the assumption that I'm white because I disagree with you .... surely not, that'd be both stupid and racist?

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Harry, you left out a bunch more...

    by Damned if I can login

    Red Buttons Red Skelton Red Adair The Red Baron Howdy Doody Bill Walton and.... Ginger Grant

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    I can't get a job

    by ChocolateJeebus

    to pay the rent (two interviews in a year's time) and these fucking little shits will never want for ANYTHING their entire lives, will never work for anything their entire lives. I hope the entire Smith family gets cancer and dies in miserable pain, leaving all their ill-gotten lucre to some poor bastards that actually deserve it. No, I'm not joking. And, Harry, if I saw you in the street I would punch you in the face with my balls. Not only to assuage my rage at your COMPLETE lack of taste and decency but also to remind you what a pair looks like as you have clearly been lacking them for decades. "Incredibly talented" ??!! Incredibly fucking talented???!!!

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST

    go easy on geoffrey_fourmyle


    He uses 9mm. Those are like BBs nowadays.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST


    by fpuk99

    You are aware that the expression 'Tom', used in that context, is incredibly derogatory, and one I find insulting? I defend no-one, I just didn't like your assumption that everyone on this thread who was against this move was a racist. My reasons for not 'buying into this' were stated within the first few posts, and have nothing to do with skin colour.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Gingers have souls bitches!

    by donkingkong It's hard out there for us freckled faced lads and lasses of Scot/Irish descent!

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST

    I want to see Annie remade...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...with Space Jockeys. Daddy Warbucks needs to be a giant head piloting a spacecraft.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST

    geoff baby!


    Damn a nerve has been touched! We're all having a good time on here, talking about blacks and whites, racism, KKK, nepotism, Will Smith. It's all good. Lighten up G. 4myle, and have some fun. I might have to invent Web 3.0 for all of the people who can take jokes. Grab your ankles boy! CHOPPED

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST


    by Bright_Boy

    FACT: You got CHOPPED

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Harry, how could you?

    by Damned if I can login

    You also left out: Ron & Clint Howard! (and their father Rance as well) How could anyone's red-headed hero list not include the brothers Howard??? You're slippin', man....not good at all.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Waitaminnit...*I* forgot one!!!

    by Damned if I can login

    Lindsey Lohan Boo-yaw! Oh, and I can just give a big ol' RAT'S ASS whether or not the brethren scum here consider her a skank, whore, druggy, whatever. I personally would hit it quicker'n a long-legged jackrabbit in a room full'a thick-tailed cats (cough-hack-cough) Sorry...watching too much Spongebob with my 6yr-old has warped my mind....

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST

    With the arrival of _gears_, it seems someone has called for /b/lackup

    by TheNotoriousDRB

    Rules 1 & 2 be damned.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST

    johnathankana .....

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    That huge chip on your shoulder is going to leave a nasty mark. chill

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST

    You know why Teen Wolf isn't believable?


    Because the basketball players are white.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST

    When are the Smiffs going to get their own variety hour?


    Oh nevermind, Spike Lee already covered that with Mantan: The New Millennium Minstrel Show in 2000's Bamboozled.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST


    by fat_rancor_keeper


  • Jan. 27, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST

    I should keep notes of everyone in here

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    who are being rational, not a hidden racist, and/or not making idiotic jokes... you guys are actually helping me remember its 2011 and not 1961. you guys rock everyone else on the other side of the argument... Im sorry the Smith kids are being forced down your throat. because its not like you have the option of not discussing them in TBs or watchin their movies or listenin to their songs or seeing pictures of them or whatever else that is being "forced" upon you. I mean, it must really suck to have something forced down your throat, but while at the same time, youre more than willing to continue discussing what is shoved down your throat PS: Im gonna have to retire from being a "Chopling". Ill leave my membership card at the door. it was nice while it lasted

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Teen Wolf

    by dukeroberts

    Maybe the high school was modeled after Duke.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Willow Smiff looks like a miniature version of Will Smiff


    Ears and all. If it wasn't for those hair extensions she would look more male than Jaden.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Little Orphan Annie

    by dukeroberts

    I have made this argument before. Little Orphan Annie was a comic strip long before it was a bad musical. Little Orphan Annie was created as the original artist-writer conceived her for the visual medium of the comic strip. Why change the physical appearance she has had for over 85 years? Just because some super-rich and super-famous actor, who happens to be black, wants his daughter to play the character? That's no reason to do so, if you ask me. Just like when Willow's father portrayed James West in that horrendous "Wild, Wild West" movie, it was stated that the color of the character would not matter. Instead, the color of his skin became the impetus for the hatred between him and the villain. Growing up black in this country is different than growing up white. To say that the color of one's skin would not change the person, (or in this case, the character) is slightly ignorant. The environment in which we are raised affects our total being. How many black Republicans do you know? I know OF some, but I personally don't know any. Now, we are talking about a musical film based on a comic strip, it's not important or earth-shattering, but still.... That just takes us back to the argument of sticking to the source material, as we comic book geeks are so fond of wanting the film companies to do. The character, as conceived by the creator, was a white girl with red hair. If you're casting for Annie, cast a white girl with red hair. Fake red hair too often looks like fake red hair (see the X-Men's Jean Grey and Iron Man 2's Black Widow and Spider-Man's Mary Jane for examples). I'm done.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST

    List of Uncle Toms:


    5. Colon Bowell - still trying to make up for that bogus PowerPoint presentation to the UN by kissing Obama's ass 4. Condaleeza Rice - as white as rice with a soul as black as the oil her corporate masters stole from Africa 3. Juan Williams - works for Fox; say no more 2. Wayne Brady - even Dave Chapelle says so 1. Clarence Thomas - has sold out his people more times than Gaius Baltar

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST

    why do people keep calling him Will Smif?

    by Billy_D_Williams

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Stepdaddy, I cannot accept your resignation.


  • Jan. 27, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST

    I don't get the 'offensiveness'

    by Abhimanyu

    Is Annie's orphanhood somehow tied into her being a redhead? Or her whiteness? I mean, Is Oliver Twist blond or dark haired? And does that make a difference? If you made Oilver Twist set in the streets of New York today would it irritate you if it was played by a black kid, or is that OK because it is versimilitude? I also don't get all this BS about white Shafts and Roots and Raisin in the Sun and Othello... Aren't those characters's races supposed to be integral to their stories? How is that comparable? Now if you complained about a remake of 'Cry Freedom' with Kevin Kline's role being played by a black actor, I'd understand. Why didn't people have an issue with Red - an Irish redhead - being played by Morgan Freeman in Shawshank Redemption? There was even a nifty bit of dialogue when he answers Andy's question of why he is called Red with "Maybe because I am Irish?" Seriously Harry - didn't THAT break your heart? I hope this is a joke, but unfortunately I think I understand what some are calling out as hidden racism. I actually thought Harry's post was a little tongue in cheek, maybe complaining about remaking the movie at all, just very very badly written. The idiots that jumped at it, I don't know about...

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Help Wanted: We have an immediate opening for a Chopling


    Please send your resume to

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Only serious inquiries please!


    So many wannabe Choplings, so little talent amidst the riff-raff. You think this shit is easy?!

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Re: Morgan Freeman

    by ArmageddonProductions

    Whoever suggested Morgan Freeman for a BLACULA remake was a genius. He WAS awesome as "Dracula" on "The Electric Company".</p><p> I could give two shits about ANNIE, black or otherwise. What I give a shit about is that it's completely acceptable to completely miscast somebody and revise a long-held property (like I said, in the neighborhood of eighty years or so) into something that it's not, then hide behind the "How dare you criticize a movie for casting a black actor?!?" defense. If you can show me just one comic strip, radio broadcast or Broadway cast where Little Orphan Annie was portrayed as black, or rapped, I will happily shut my mouth on the subject. This movie has nothing to do with Little Orphan Annie. It's something else, and they're shoehorning it into the "Annie" franchise to swindle more box office bucks. I don't think anyone here is saying "Don't give Willow Smith movie roles". I'm suggesting that they call it and market it as something else, ANYTHING else. Hell, call it "AUDREY" or "ANNABELLE". Not only does this move amount to pandering, it's the fact that it's a controversial con-job to swipe money from idiots who would actually go see this thing in the hopes of having something to bitch about. And also, if you think about it, it suggests that Will Smith seems to believe his kids' talent alone isn't enough to carry a movie, so he has to pull this stunt to get butts in the seats.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST

    maybe it's just me........

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    but if a character is created as a certain race (black, white, asian...etc...) doesn't it just make sense to stick to the source material when remaking it? I'm not saying this should always have to be the case, I'm just saying for things like Spider-man, Orphan Annie....etc...characters with long well established histories - why not just keep them as is? On the same note, what's wrong with just creating an NEW/original story that perhaps pays homage to Annie but have it be a new character?

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST

    What armageddon said!


    CHOPPAH completely agrees.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Make it Willow Smiff as Casper, because if it was set in modern times


    Annie would have been aborted, not put in an orphanage, and she would have come back as a rapping ghost.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:23 p.m. CST

    I've long wanted a Blacula remake


    Perhaps by the people who made Black Dynamite.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:41 p.m. CST

    And I really want to see a Black Dynamite remake,


    perhaps made by the folks who brought us The Kids Are All Right.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Will Smith to play Madmartigan.

    by fat_rancor_keeper


  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Willow Smiff wouldn't know a hard knock


    If she had her ear pressed up against the door.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Face it: Will Smith exploits children.


    His own, no less. Disgusting.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Look at all these racist Republicans spoiling this TB.


    Go back to Redstate, trolls.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST

    I have to pay attention to ANOTHER Smith kid?

    by PorkChopXpress

    Aww, HELL naw!

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST

    The only other example of Hollywood nepotism...

    by Chief Joseph

    ...that even comes close to the egregiousness of Will Smith is Godfather III. And believe me, nobody held back their disappointment and anger about that casting at the time. The movie is still a punchline now to this day. Also Tori Spelling in 90210 was a laughingstock. And even in these examples, Daddy didn't give their kid THE LEAD FUCKING ROLE. People HATE nepotism. But go ahead and try and make this about RACE; the same one or two assholes do this every time there's a talkback about Will's hellspawn.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Remember Will Smith III?

    by Chief Joseph

    You know, Will Smith's other son? You know, the one he had with Sheree Zampino instead of Jana Pinkett? Sucks to be him right now.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Will Smith III is the DJ Jazzy Jeff of the Smith family.


    Good call, Chief Joseph. May the blessings of CHOPPAH flutter down upon your head.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST

    I'd rather be talking about Independence Day 2

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    and I have no interest in that at all

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 4:42 p.m. CST


    by Dead_Geek

    ... Piece of shit!

  • I learned something with this post this week. I learned that the Science Fiction, Comics, and Fantasty genre can only be permitted homogeneity in it's fanbase and source material - everything in between can sort of be different, but only so much. When deviating from the fanbase and the source material, be prepared to reap the wrath of hundreds of people who didn't give a rat's ass about Little Orphan Annie, until (let's be honest) a black actor that most of you hate decided to get the role for his black daughter - that most of you hate some more. You're totally welcomed to produce a White remake of "Shaft," "Mandingo" (ha-ha), and "Roots," if you want. In fact, it would be a supreme form of flatery to see whites incorporate another form of artistic express created by Black (like rap, jazz, early rock and roll, and blues). Pointing out the contradiction isn't being politically correct, it's just being fair. However, that's not permitted in Science Fiction. Merit belongs to those with the studios, publishing houses, and television networks - and quite honestly, they have white skin. By the way - Annie wore a wig. Atkinson

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 5:05 p.m. CST


    by Jonathhan Kana

    ahahaha you can type all that shit because you will never, ever say it in person to anyone like me. play internet tough guy all you want man. I see your soul....and it is weak.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST

    _gears_ is clearly trolling.


    No one who can form a coherent sentence would ever advocate a Beck-Palin ticket. Good thing it's the internet because there's no way that fucker keeps a straight face when he types that shit.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 5:43 p.m. CST

    It's "The Wiz" all over again!!! Screw you, Smith!

    by Jeditemple

    Yeah, let's take some traditional white roles and give them a color treatment. Will Smith has never done that before...right? Right?

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Another irony on Talkbacks

    by Chief Joseph

    Some called me a bleeding-heart hippie liberal for opposing white actors cast in Asian roles in the Last Airbender & Dragonball Evolution talkbacks. And now I'm apparently some redneck conservative living in a trailer for opposing blacks being cast in white roles. And isn't casting these stereotypical aspersions on people just because they disagree with you about movie casting the essence of prejudice?

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 6:31 p.m. CST

    They'll let anybody in here.

    by PorkChopXpress

    Gotta love the internet for empowering the mildly retarded to speak their minds.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 6:38 p.m. CST

    _gears_ = Harry

    by Jonathhan Kana

    until his comments get deleted, im convinced.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Yeah, almost forgot about THE WIZ

    by ReportAbuse

    Like most of the world. They'll do this one, it'll garner some attention for five minutes ("bold casting choices!" puke) before dropping out of sight or to the discount DVD bins at the Nog-Mart.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Aesop and Father Christmas

    by deelzbub

    I don't have a problem with it. It is the nature of people to re-tell tales and adapting those tales according to their own culture. Annie is a story that begs to be retold in a different format. I've met plenty of red-headed black folks, so it is not really that big of a stretch. A black Norse God? mmmm, not so much. But whatever. Hollywood does stupid shit every day. I am looking forward to someone making a movie about white slaves in early America. They existed, look it up.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Congrats everyone!

    by gringostar

    Somebody call Guiness! This has to be a record for most retards particiating in a single talkback!

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Re: Republican "Racists"

    by ReportAbuse

    Last November's elections should have decisively refudiated (ahem) the Tea Party as racists meme. Guy Benson Racist Tea Party? GOP Welcomes Diverse Cast of Newcomers The midterm election not only busted the myth that the GOP is a regional party – seeing Republican gains in the Northeast, Midwest and West – it also puts to rest the notion that Republicans are a lily white party whose base won’t embrace a diverse slate of candidates. In eight prominent contests, Republicans nominated and elected excellent candidates and fine conservatives who also happen to be people of color: Nevada Governor – In a deliciously ironic twist, a Hispanic Republican – Brian Sandoval – defeated Rory Reid, son of the very man who suggested that people like Sandoval don’t, or shouldn’t, exist. It wasn’t close: Sandoval dominated Rory Reid and secured a double-digit victory. New Mexico Governor – Suzanna Martinez became the first female Hispanic Governor of a US State in history – from either party. She ran a disciplined campaign, torched her opponent with one of the most devastating attack ads of the entire cycle, and won by a substantial 8-point margin. South Carolina Governor – Overcoming nasty rumors about her religion and alleged marital infidelity, Nikki Haley became America’s second Indian-American Governor. (The other, of course, is Louisiana’s Bobby Jindal, also a Republican). SC-01 – After JC Watts retired from Congress in 2002, the House Republican caucus lost its lone African-American member. Until the 2010 midterms. Republican Tim Scott, a strong conservative, won the open seat in South Carolina’s first Congressional District. He pulled off this feat in the deep south, and did so in a romp – winning by approximately 35 percentage points. FL-22 – Another black Republican was elected to the House: Conservative superstar Col. Allen West. The Iraq War hero handily unseated Rep. Ron Klein, who threw the kitchen sink at West, but to no avail. When this race was called, supposedly “racist” tea partiers and grassroots conservatives rejoiced across the country. WA-03 – Jaime Herrera chose not to highlight her Hispanic origins in her battle against Democrat Denny Heck for the open seat in Washington’s third Congressional District. She ran a very strong, issues-based campaign, and won comfortably. ID-01 – Raul Labrador, a Puerto Rico-born attorney, pulled an upset victory over incumbent Democrat Walt Minnick in Idaho’s first Congressional District. Minnick tried to boost his bleeding poll numbers by airing a dishonest, racially charged ad during the final week of the race. The tactic seems to have backfired, resulting in Congressman Raul Labrador. Florida Senate – Two words: Marco Rubio. The most celebrated rising star in the Republican Party after last night is freshly-minted Senator-elect Rubio, a dynamic Cuban-American conservative. Close Calls: Hat tips are also in order for two outstanding House candidates who didn’t quite pull through this year: Ryan Frazier in CO-7, and Van Tran in CA-47. In an ideal world, this sort of identity politics scorecard would be utterly unnecessary. Most Americans hope the 2010 elections, including the examples laid out above, will neutralize the “Right-wing racism” meme the Left has so eagerly cultivated.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 7:51 p.m. CST

    You people are aware There are Black People with Red hair

    by Phategod100

    You can not be that dumb Harry.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Re: the choppah > Roots, starring Michael Cera as Kunta Kinte.

    by flatulence

    You sir, have made my day.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 8:23 p.m. CST

    atkinson - are you saying blacks aren't in Science Fiction

    by flatulence

    I think Lando, Tuvok, Sisko, Geordi, Morpheus, Uhura, Mace, Ben Hanser, Mace Manson, Sgt Apone, Boomer (BSG orig) might want to talk to you. I'm an expat-Australian - how many Aussies are in SciFi? FUCK ALL!, WHY? Cause there aren't many aussies writing sci fi and people generally write about there own. Am I whining like a bitch about how NON-AUSSIE writers aren't including Aussies in their books/movies? NO. If black people want more black people in Sci Fi, GET FUCKING WRITING and stop complaining.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Whip my head after I Nod my head

    by mserenity1 somebody help me I got whiplash Do what's he tryin' to say?

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 9:34 p.m. CST

    "People HATE nepotism."

    by KilliK

    that's why they elected George W Bush twice? or was it because of his skills,intellect and charisma as a leader? yuck,yuck,yuck.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 10:03 p.m. CST

    L Ron Hubbard bio pic startting Jaden Smith as LRH.

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    salute that, Tommy Cruise.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Re: Black ANNIE III

    by ArmageddonProductions

    I suppose people read what they want to read and filter out the rest, whether it makes sense or not. First and foremost, I don't believe most of the people on this particular Talkback, including myself, are against blacks, blacks in the lead roles of movies or even the nepotism of the Smith family. Will Smith wants to use his clout to launch the careers of his kids? Good for him! Hell, if i were in his position, I'd be doing the same thing. He wants to get more black actors in prominent lead roles? Go for it! He wants to make Little Orphan Annie a black girl who raps? This is where I'm a little disturbed.</p><p> See, it's not about "Willow Smith shouldn't have a lead role in a movie", it's about (I state for the third time) revising an iconic institution -- in other words, the ENTIRE REASON anybody would want to remake the goddamn thing to begin with -- in which the main character happens to be a goddamn white redheaded kid. That's why, even today, if you showed even an elementary-aged kid a drawing of Little Orphan Annie, they'd probably know who she is. Saying that somebody is resistant to change because of that point is just being ridiculous. Hell, there'd be a goddamn outcry if Little Orphan Annie were being played by a blonde or a boy, and all the new songs were being composed by AC/DC. If you're revising the property to that extent, you have zero interest in actually making ANNIE -- rather like if you were revising THE KARATE KID by setting it in China and the main character was learning a form of martial arts provincial to China. At that point, you're not doing a remake, you're hoping to stir up controversy and grab attention for it.</P><P> Here's another great question: why aren't the self-proclaimed black Talkbackers and those who are claiming to be oh-so-racially-sensitive not actually angrier about the PROSPECT of this than trying to defend it on the merits of it being acceptable because "it's black"? Think about it for a moment: Will Smith is exploiting his own children's skin color for the sake of nabbing some free publicity. There's probably a million cutting-edge, original projects being developed by black screenwriters and filmmakers, stuff that is actually originating from the black perspective and could promote racial anti-stereotypes and the vision of the entire community. Instead, Smith chose to snag yet another property purely based on the bullshit it would stir up. You think a black version of ANNIE is going to help the advancement of black actors and filmmakers in any way? You think Will Smith's "let's get jiggy wid it" sensibilities will be shattering stereotypes when it's released?

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Can they Make Aliens vs. Annie instead?

    by Meta

    Now that's a movie I'd pay to see, even with the brood of Will Smith as Annie. As long as there are lots of chestbursters coming out of Miss Hanningan's orphans.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 11:52 p.m. CST

    The wiz vs blackula vs predator 2 vs whitey

    by UltraTron

    I can't believe anyone would fucking bat an eyelid if they remade this for a different demographic. Maybe it'll inspire some poor kid in Harlem to stop eating herself to death and start singing. Then maybe that kid will grow up and get a record deal and become famous and have a kid and the kid will star in the remake of on golden pond with an old as shit by that time Delroy Lindo as the Fonda character. And how much better would Lindo have been in starwars? Fuck all the bullshit. Lindo rules. Stop eating my sesame cake!!!

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 12:14 a.m. CST


    by dukeroberts

    If you are serious about what you are saying, you are disgusting. If you are not serious ( it seems almost tongue in cheek), why even bother posting that kind of shit?

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 12:41 a.m. CST

    No movie is holy ground

    by Teddy Artery

    so get used to it. It's called the "movie business" for a reason.

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 1:15 a.m. CST


    by Billy_D_Williams

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 1:19 a.m. CST


    by therightclique

    I feel like the exclusion of Matt Murdock from that list is pretty ridiculous. Come on, Harry!

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Re: "No Movie Is Holy Ground"

    by ArmageddonProductions

    True enough, but ANNIE wasn't a movie until about fifty years after it was a comic strip, a radio show and, a few decades later, a Broadway musical (on which the movie was based).</p><p> No one but Billy Dee Williams could've pulled off "Lando". Unfortunately, George Lucas cared about black people for exactly one STAR WARS sequel, because, in RETURN OF THE JEDI, the great character they created in EMPIRE got relegated to "Luke's backup" and "dude with puppet in spaceship" for the whole movie. Then, in the prequels, the two other black guys in the galaxy are either standing around the main characters and nodding in agreement or getting their shit chopped off by Emperor Whitey. Actually, I guess that's not true; there's also a race of Stepin Fetchits living in a glass bubble underwater on a planet where the whites are living aboveground in castles. My prediction is, in the upcoming live-action series, the main characters will have a porter dressed in bones and a loincloth that says stuff like "Oh Lawdy! Feets don't fails me now!" every time their spaceship gets attacked.

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 1:47 a.m. CST


    by ArmageddonProductions

    Actually, neither one of them were worth a chocolate-covered cat turd, but the original had the one small benefit of shooting with a working script. I somehow got roped into seeing the goddamn thing TWICE, and I still can't figure out the exact plot of the remake.

  • I'm a fan of Will, Jayden and Willow... but I do NOT like this news at all. It's just plain wrong. It's my favorite musical/stage play and I don't want to see it messed with or butchered. I am not racist, I would think making a movie out of "The Jeffersons" or "The Cosby Show" with a white cast would be just as bad/wrong to do. The character of "Annie" is an iconic figure, she was written as a red headed white girl and has been such for around 80 years now... that's how people expect to see her. WHY does it have to be modernized? Why does it have to be set in today's world? If this is what they intend to do that is. It's not like it will make people enjoy the store more. People like me love it being set in the 1930's, people still attend this play in droves when it does a new national tour every couple or few years. I see no sign of people thinking it dated or less desireable for being a period piece. I can say the same thing about the songs they've been using since the original stage production back in the 1970's... people love the songs and there's no need to change them to pop or hip-hop versions by Jay-Z or whatever. Being a loyal "Annie" fan and "Annie" purist, if this movie actually gets made and they make all the suspected changes I fear they will then despite it being my favorite play I will NOT be going to see this version. I might even hope it will be a flop. Wouldn't be surprised if it was, that all black "Honeymooners" movie didn't exactly do well did it? See what happens when you mess with something iconic and held dear by so many? Seriously, if they're going to change how key characters look and act, change the setting and time period, and alter the famous songs (or even replace them with all new ones)... why don't they just call the movie something else??? Why not just come up with an original story for Willow to star in? Why doesn't will just push his kids into auditions for NEW projects? Surely he or people he knows can come up with new material for his kids to star in. People joke about him in remaking "Back to the Future" with Jayden as Marty... but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he actually does it in 2 or 3 years when Jayden is old enough and looking for something to do. Just stop it Will. Leave these movies & stories seen as classics by many alone. Drop this "Annie" idea before it's too late.

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 5:34 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Is nothing sacred?

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 7:22 a.m. CST

    how is this topic still on top

    by MacReady452

    stupidest topic ever. Just goes to show....this place makes no fucking sense.

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 7:45 a.m. CST


    by fpuk99

    I'm also surprised that this talkback is still ongoing - hasn't everything been said? We've a looooooong way to go if we're going for longest talkbak ever - that was the 'Aquafag' talkback, which has 10s of thousands of posts.

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Re: Black Jesus

    by ArmageddonProductions

    I actually have no problem with Jesus being portrayed as black ... although, if you believe in Jesus, you also have to believe he was born from a Jewish mother named "Mary", per the Bible, so you'd better start thinking Sammy Davis Jr. or Lenny Kravitz.</p><p> Ultimately, this whole debate is pointless. The movie will get made, dumbasses will go see it, black will continue to be enraged over the "blacks don't get movie roles" issue, despite the fact that half of the movies already released in 2011 have had predominantly black casts, blacks in lead roles or were made by Tyler Perry, and whites will continue to be enraged over the rape and pillaging of their beloved icons from the age of "Whites Only" water fountains.</p><p> However, I will leave it at this: any black or "racially-sensitive" Talkbacker here who claims they wouldn't be outraged at an all-white SHAFT remake or a portrayal of "Mars Blackmon" by one of the Jonas brothers is a goddamn liar. You feel safe making this claim because, in your heart of hearts, you know that nobody would ever actually try to pull it off. And, of course, you'd be right, because the very notion of it is fucking ridiculous. Now you know how the rest of us feel.

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 8:02 a.m. CST

    I think what's getting lost...

    by Bright_Boy

    in this whole debate is one crucial point: annie sucks. Its stupid, and its lame. People keep treating it like its sacred. When did we all become my great grandmother? Its not like we're talking about Michael Jai White playing superman. Though that would be crazy awesome.

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 8:49 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    The core issue is a never-ending crisis of self-esteem and identity within the black psyche. Annie is just another victim in this bitter drama.

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 8:55 a.m. CST

    White guys stole...

    by Bright_Boy

    Jazz, blues, rock and roll, hip hop, etc from black culture. If all black entertainers want in return is wild wild west, honeymooners, karate kid and annie, i think white guys are still making out like bandits.

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST

    I was originally going to bitch about nepotism, but upon consideration...

    by ClaireRedfield

    It would be utter bullshit to complain, since nepotism is the bread and butter of Hollywood. Nobody under 30 in Hollywood has their job unless they had an uncle/parent/friend of the family who put them there in one way or another. The Disney Channel is like a breeding ground for these talentless fuckers. ( I almost feel sorry for them. They often have to leave acting for years to unlearn all the stupid shit they learn about "acting" from the kiddy shows and teen soap operas.) With Will Smith it's just transparent, and thus slightly more annoying. However, like many others have said, fuck these stupid fucking remakes. He's saddling his kids with baggage they don't need, and worse, perpetuating the utter lack of creative power in Hollywood. For THAT, I say fuck Will Smith. Not for nepotism, but for being in a position of power and wasting it on utter bullshit.

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Re: bright_boy

    by ArmageddonProductions

    That's actually less of a joke than you realize, considering that the Salkinds originally wanted Muhammed Ali to play him in SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE. Michael Jai-White definitely deserves one more shot at playing a superhero after carrying the stillborn fetus of SPAWN entirely on his back, though.</p><p> As for ANNIE, you're right: nobody on this talkback gives a flying fuck about ANNIE. If they remade a one hundred percent faithful version of it, it's highly probable that its entire world-wide audience would be six or so fat forty-year-old ladies who collect glass unicorns and Cabbage Patch Kids in lieu of real children, but know all the lyrics to "Tomorrow". The only thing I'm disturbed about is the painfully obvious dick move enacted by Will Smith, now going into his third attempt (sixth, if you count OLDBOY, THE BRIDGE AT RIVER KWAI and felt that "Robert Neville" in I AM LEGEND should have been a white guy, as described in the novel) to stir up the controversy shit-pot by inserting himself or a family member into a role that was originally white the first time around. He does it once or twice, you think, okay, he's just challenging the audience, he's shattering stereotypes ... but re-read the list, he's doing it over and over and over again. And now that KARATE KID made bank, it seems to have validated his belief that controversy = bucks. </p><p> Oh, and by the way, unless "Xenu" is a euphemism for "The United Negro College Fund", the only thing Will Smith is giving back to the African-American community is yet more lousy rap songs.

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Re: bright_boy Part 2

    by ArmageddonProductions

    Er, the whole "whites stole rock & roll, hip hop, jazz etc." thing is a bit of a double-edged sword there. Had whites not both adopted and bought into these forms of art, it's highly probably that a) they would either be strictly performed in underground tenement shithole clubs, where they'd eventually just be forgotten about, rather like "The Charleston" or Fatty Arbuckle and b) the term "black entertainer" would be superfluous, since there wouldn't have been any goddamn money in it. Who, exactly, do you think bought their records and paid to see them in clubs and concerts?!?

  • ....are black, is it so wrong to give them their own Annie to embrace? The white orphans have the original the black orphans can have their Annie. If you're angry about this, it has nothing to do with Annie, it has to do with the fear that what you consider yours is going to be taken away from you. It's the same bullshit with the ground zero mosque that everyone has forgotten about...which had nothing to do with anything other than the fear that Islam is growing and the America people feel comfortable with is shrinking. So people are reacting at things which are a fucking Annie remake.

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Remember the Golden Rule

    by v3d

    Those with the gold make the rules. Or in this case if you are a rich actor/producer with a strong track record and a lot of pull you can buy the rights to anything(that's up for sale) and make it your way. It's got nothing to do with race. Except maybe when James Cameron changed the Sioux nation from Dances with Wolves into blue skinned Navi for Avatar.

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 11:26 a.m. CST

    If white people hadn't invented the electric guitar


    there would be no Blues!

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Palin-Bachman 2012!!!


    Let the Pig with Lipstick and the Rabid Raccoon screw up this country real good!

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 11:42 a.m. CST

    "Talkbackers Just Don't Understand!"


    It's all about Will Smiff!

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Take a black character and make him/her white

    by Cobb05

    I'd love to see what would happen if you took a black character and changed it to a white character. We've had a few white characters be made white and there wasn't much backlash. But if you made John Shaft white, you'd have boycots and people in an uproar. Why couldn't Will Smith come up with an original character for his daughter to play. I mean Annie is a pretty iconic character and having it become a black character is a big deal. It's like making a black Popeye movie or a black Willie Wonka. Just come up with your own, original character. I mean if it's going to be about an orphan in modern times, why not just change the name. Why not make it Diff'rent Strokes with two girls instead of two boys?

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    "why aren't the self-proclaimed black Talkbackers and those who are claiming to be oh-so-racially-sensitive not actually angrier about the PROSPECT of this than trying to defend it on the merits of it being acceptable because "it's black"? Think about it for a moment: Will Smith is exploiting his own children's skin color for the sake of nabbing some free publicity." There are so many asinine assumptions in this that I just have to comment. Did someone specifically defend the possibility of a remake "because it's black" or did we just defend Smith's right to do it. You guys are certainly ATTACKING it because he's black, but my defense isn't based on that. Smith exploiting his children's skin color? Wow, you live in a narrow world. You think that when Smith looks at his children he thinks: "Jaden is black. Willow is black." Maybe way, way down the list. What he thinks is the same thing most other parents think: "My kids are beautiful, wonderful, talented. They deserve the very best in life. How can I make their way easier?" YOU are the ones who look at them and think "black! black! black! Yikes!" You think he made this decision specifically to generate controversy? No, he did it IN SPITE of the fact that it would generate controversy. He wants to make it for the exact same reason actors want to play Hamlet, or "Cat On a Hot Tin Roof"--because they are wonderful roles. You are the ones who suggest that black people should stay within the bounds you define for them. Sorry, guys, we don't wake up in the morning thinking: "I'm black! Whoa is me!" While you guys clearly wake up sweating that we have a black President, and that the minorities you used to be able to exclude and negatively define are saying "fuck you" and defining themselves. Deal with it.

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Terry McMillan: "Willow Smith is arrogant"

    by Chief Joseph

    Check out this article: ... "The US writer, who is best known for her book How Stella Got Her Groove Back, also criticized Will and Jada Pinkett-Smith for 'pimping' their children to the entertainment industry." ... So tell me, is the author of How Stella Got Her Groove Back allowed to criticize the sacred cow Smith family? Is she a racist too?

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Harry you also forgot to mention..

    by Stalkeye

    Scarlett. That's one Redhead that can kick the shit outta the other Redhead: Black Widow.

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Sanford and Son REMAKE!

    by GoFuckYourself

    I think that the great show "Sanford and Son" should be made starring... Jerry and Ben Stiller as a father and son junkyard owners. On top of that, "The Jefferson's" could be remade with Will Forte and Amy Poehler. Could we do "Amen" and "227"? What about an all white cast of "Family Matters"? I know this sounds like I am being racist, but don't you think there would be a huge stink if someone actually did one of the above??? You don't think that the NAACP would bitch? I am so tired of seeing classics being ruined (Honeymooners, Wild Wild West, etc.). And to be honest, it WOULD be horseshit if one of the above did happen. If you can't think of anything original to do, at least try to keep so sembalence to the fucking original. Or better yet, don't fucking do anything at all...

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    John Wayne Biopic

    by GoFuckYourself

    Harry forgot to mention that Will Smith is in talks to star as "John Wayne" in the biopic of the beloved american western star set to start shooting this April in Italy... fucking creep...

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Fresh Prince of Bel-Air Remake

    by GoFuckYourself

    NBC is bringing back the Fresh Prince staring Justin Beiber as a troubled teen sent to live with his affluent Aunt and Uncle, played by Jay Mohr and Julie Bowen... Startinf this fall!

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Nothing new to add here.

    by fatjesuschrysler

    That song sucks. Really bad.

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 5:33 p.m. CST


    by AzulTool

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Angry redheads

    by Nomad_Jackson

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Anyone is welcome to criticize the Smith clan

    by Hipshot

    But when they do it with obvious ghetto references, and specifically call out race, THEN they are being racist. Take a look at the comments, and see how many of them do this. Those are the only ones I can specifically shit on, thank you.

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 7:22 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    I'd have no problem with casting any and all of those race neutral (Sanford and Son was a remake of a British show, "Steptoe and Son"). And neither would the NAACP--IF casting was actually race neutral in Hollywood. And it isn't black people stopping that from happening. So, yeah! Open the floodgates. I can think of no reason not to other than bigotry. I mean--I wouldn't mind a white Shaft if we got a black Dirty Harry. Would you?

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Nothing new to add

    by CrusherJen

    ...but why not, everyone else is posting. I'm not offended by non-traditional casting, or update-to-modern-day treatments, as long as there's enough ***talent*** behind them to carry them off. I remember the nerdfury over Michael Clark Duncan as Kingpin in "Daredevil" and Mos Def as Ford Prefect in the new "Hitchhiker's Guide." Frankly, I enjoyed their performances, they're great actors. I even kinda liked "The Wiz." It may not have been amazing, but it was fun for my younger self. What's needed for Annie, beyond any question of race, is: red hair and an incredibly upbeat attitude. So Willow Smith isn't naturally red-haired? Give her some haircolor or a wig and she's got it covered. (As an artifically-auburn gal, I don't think I have the right to be offended at anybody's original haircolor.) As for the talent to carry it off... well, I've never seen her in anything, so I can't say. Your mileage may vary, of course. Is her casting in this movie due to Daddy Dearest? Obviously. It's Hollywood, that's how it works, no matter what race you are. So what else is new? It's like getting upset because the sky is blue or water is wet... there's just no point. Now I *am* offended by yet another remake from the Hollywood "Hit Factory." Black, white, asian, ***whatever***, it ought to be about talent and originality, not the two-hundred-and-sixty-third retelling of a children's story that, as a grown woman without kids, I have little-to-no interest in. So they can make whatever movie they want, with whoever they want in it... I'm just won't spend my money or my time on it. That's not mean, or racist, it's just true. And it works for me. Though as Data says on ST:NG, "Could you please continue your bickering? I find it intriguing."

  • You're wrong. I care about "Annie". You just need to step outside your comic book, horror movie and Sci-Fi loving worlds to realize there are other good things out there. And "Annie" is one of those. And no, I'm not some childless 40 year-old woman. "Annie" has both female and male fans, people of all ages from children to senior citizens. You see this wide range of people coming to see the play in droves every time it goes on another National tour (about every 2 - 4 years aprox.).... filling large theaters for multiple nights/shows in each city. In other words, countless every day people care about this play. Though some might not be as strong of a purists as others, they'll go see it no matter who is in the role and even if they tweek the story. I however won't. If it's set in the modern day, has new songs and stars someone other than a girl who looks like the Annie that was in the comics by the original author then I'm not interested/am irritated by it. Like others have said... if they do all that it might as well be a brand new story (that's what it boils down to). So why doesn't Will just find an original script to be made into a movie for Willow?? Why does he need to keep remaking old movies? In other words... if you're not going to be true to the story of "Annie" then don't bother making a new one. Willow would be fine for the role of July (one of the other orphans, but not Annie).

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 11:39 p.m. CST

    RE: bobo_vision and blacks relating to whites

    by Neilfan12

    Why should whites have their Annie and blacks have theirs? Should we all be able to relate to and enjoy a character no matter what the color of their skin is? You don't really think black, asian or latino orphans in the foster care system can't relate to a white Annie do you? The feelings are the same no matter their skin color.

  • Jan. 28, 2011, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Ridiculous Nerd Ignorance Re: Minorities

    by Mojo-Wan

    First of all, there's a difference between a being a minority and a person with an unusual characteristic. I really hope you're joking, Knowles, because that's the dumbest position I've ever heard you take. Second, Sanford and Son was a remake of a white show already. There was even an episode where someone has made Fred's antics into a white stage play. Nerds have always had a serious ignorance when it came to minorities. Deep into the eighties, it was obvious comic book artists still had no idea what black women looked like. Unlike their bombastically buxom white counterparts, black women all seemed be drawn to look like Jimmy Walker, with Storm being the exception. So now, Harry Knowles and most of nerddom have no clue that a black person can have red hair, naturally even. Especially with Willow's complexion, it's pretty common. I attribute most of your attitudes to being insular and ignorant, but the hostility is a problem. Could be simple nerd petulance, but could be something worse. It's popular nowadays for the modern white racist to make a lot of presumptuous statements about what would anger minorities. Here, people are even confusing the difference between casting a black Annie and a white Malcolm X (give you a hint, one is real, and Will Smith isn't casting himself as John F. Kennedy is he?) The way it works is, making a black "Wizard of Oz" or "The Honeymooners" or whatever else has a market because there is a dearth of classical stories that have black characters. You want to make a white "Fresh Prince?" Go ahead. "Family Matters?" I always thought that was a white show that was cast black as a novelty anyway. The Jeffersons? Make yourself happy. Perhaps you will find an audience. Perhaps people will just stare at you and wonder why you're wasting your time, considering there are a hundred usable traditionally white properties to every black one. Simply put, casting a black Annie or Wizard of Oz should be no more offensive than all those teen comedies based on Shakespeare that were so popular in the 90's. To give them an urban or modern tone is nothing to get angry about. Only nerds seem to judge a property collectively, believing that a version of a property they like is in some way sullied by an addition they don't approve of. That's preposterous. Empire is just as great as it was before The Phantom Menace. A new Spider-Man doesn't take away from Sam Raimi's movies any more than Tobey Maguire's performance improves Nicholas Hammond's. So simply put, nerds, grow up. Get out of the house. We dark skinned folk are not your enemies, and we're not sullying your childhood memories by throwing some of our own identity into remakes we touch.

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Edgar Cayce said that red heads are from Atlantis

    by Griefo

    Atlantis was a continent of gingers and red headed people are the remnants of the Atlantean bloodline. Of course, he also could have been batshit.

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 6:07 a.m. CST

    "The feelings are the same no matter their skin color. "

    by Bobo_Vision

    Says neilfan12. Yet in his post above that he says "If it's set in the modern day, has new songs and stars someone other than a girl who looks like the Annie that was in the comics by the original author then I'm not interested/am irritated by it." <p> So little children of all races should be able to relate to white Annie with no problem whatsoever.....yet adult neil is going to throw a temper tantrum and be irritated if Annie doesn't look like the little white Annie from his comic books?

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 6:12 a.m. CST

    When I first heard about the Karate Kid remake, I hated the idea

    by Bobo_Vision

    I love the original. I finally watched some of it on an airplane, and I didn't like it, but I realized that it's not meant for me. The characters in it are like 10 years old. I turned it off after about a half hour, but I didn't care. It doesn't change my enjoyment of the original and the teenagers I've talked to (I work with teens) loved the movie. Those of you who love the original Annie, this isn't going to change that, you'll still have the original. This film isn't for you.

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST

    It is...

    by Tasliym

    I'm a black girl with red hair and freckles... it is entirely possible.

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 9:59 a.m. CST

    I am also shocked this is in the Top 10 TB's.

    by AT

    Seriously? I mean, you have got to be kidding me. Has no one stopped to realize exactly how OBNOXIOUS the music is for this? And I have never heard any production of it where they didn't just find some plucky redhead who could scream on key to play Annie. It's always the Broadway "just belt it out and they'll LOVE ya, baby" mentality when casting her, even in the movie version. Honestly... the idea of updating anything like this with hip, African-American flair just nauseates. Yeah, we haven't seen enough of that. Gotta love that "revisionist remake" bit. Ultimately it doesn't matter. You're never going to get MY butt in a seat for this. I despise this musical, always have.

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Fuck You Will Smith; I'm reimagining...

    by conspiracy

    Porgy and Bess; starring this motherfucker.

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST

    In all seriousness...does anyone think this is a good idea?

    by conspiracy

    Or that the Smiths are NOT the most obvious money driven stage parents in the history of Hollywood? Is there ANYWAY..this WON'T be a completely horrible Hip-Hopization of an established classic property?

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST

    "People who love Annie"

    by Hipshot

    Who sort primarily by race, will avoid the remake. Others may enjoy it greatly. Men used to argue that the term "men" applies to everyone, male or female. But fail to empathize with female power figures. Christians would protest that the celebration of Christmas goes beyond the specific worship of Christ--but protest at the celebration of non-Christian holidays.. And whites often insist that those of other ethnicities should be able to empathize with them fully--while often not extending that same courtesy in return. Human beings are like this. I'd say we all have these tendencies, and that the only hope is to be aware of it and make slight corrections in our own behavior, rather than claiming "I'm not a bigot, but Will Smith is remaking white movies..." Ah...Smith is remaking classic movies. Most of those are white. He isn't sorting by "white" he is sorting by "good role" and "potential success." Look at the Talkback comments for references to ghetto, ebonics, skin color, and hip-hop to see what percentage of the complaints are obviously racially based. Trying to pretend that isn't an issue is absurd. For those of you who are simply against remakes, fine. If you think the Smiths are pushing their kids too hard, fine. But please look around at those who agree with you--you have to admit you're traveling in some ugly company.

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    And as for remaking "Porgy and Bess"

    by Hipshot

    Please! Go right ahead. As long as blacks can remake "West Side Story" of course. Open the doors totally. Only bigots would quibble, if they didn't complain about whites playing Asians, Mexicans, or Indians. Fair is fair.

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Next reboot: Ashton Kutcher IS John Shaft!

    by dasaroo

    SHAFT'S BIG MILF! with Ashton's wife, Demi Moore. No one will have a problem with that, surely?

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST

    "Why should whites have their Annie and blacks have theirs?"

    by Mojo-Wan

    Spoken like a man born into a majority. I've worked at a "black" movie theater, when the rash of black films was coming out in the 90's. Plenty of white people came to the theater. They came to see mainstream films, not "Out for Justice" and "True Lies" and almost never "Above the Rim" or even "Friday." A couple of years ago, I showed Friday to some friends who had never even heard of it. They loved it, and weren't even high, to my knowledge. Cheers, my all-time favorite TV Show... one black person in eleven years I remember had a significant role in an episode. Named Louis. Blade Runner, another favorite, had not a single black person in Los Angeles, circa 2019. Suffice to say, race does matter more when in your world, your family looks one way, your friends are a mix, but movies and TV practically eliminate people who look like you.

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST

    I'd pay Good money too see "Shafts Big Milf"

    by conspiracy

    Unfortunately Kutcher would have ZERO cred playing "Shaft", an Iconic character if ever there was one. Sometimes...a character needs to stay THAT Character. Snoopy is a Beagle, Superman is a Cracker from Krypton, and John Shaft is a hard ass Black guy...and I don't want to see them any other way.

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Take another look at this concept, and remember it's 2010.

    by Mojo-Wan

    Annie, a young orphan with a red afro who draws hope from singing and dancing. Sorry, sounds like a black girl to me. Though personally, I don't see so much of a hip hop musical as a gospel one.

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 1 p.m. CST

    re: hipshot

    by ArmageddonProductions

    I believe I stated in an earlier post that it didn't matter if they recast Annie with a black person, a blonde white person or a male actor named "Toddington McWhitelilly" -- my point is, it's no longer "Annie". It's something else that they're trying to shoehorn into the property. In Will Smith's case, he's done this at least three times, and arguably attempted as many as six. Why is it about race? Because, in all six cases, it's specifically attempting to revise a well-known property with a white or Asian actor (in the case of OLDBOY). With THE KARATE KID, he somehow managed to both recast a role that spent three movies being white and pissing on the face of Japan by setting the film in China and having the main character learn kung fu. It's okay for Will Smith to suggest that all Orientals look and act the same? He's drumming up controversy in lieu of positive publicity, and since it appeared to work out so well for THE KARATE KID, he's gonna continue that streak.</p><p> By the way, whoever suggested we remake "Sanford & Son" and "The Jeffersons" with white casts ... both of those shows are BLACK remakes of British shows with white casts ("Steptoe & Son" and whatever British show "All In The Family" was originally based on). However, I'm pretty sure "Good Times" and "What's Happening?" are up for grabs.

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Toddington McWhitelilly in

    by dasaroo


  • Jan. 29, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    re: hipshot #2

    by ArmageddonProductions

    They did do a black remake of WEST SIDE STORY, called ROMEO MUST DIE, which nobody, not even "the bigots" said peep about. Also, ZEBRAHEAD (black girl, white guy). Why was this acceptable? Because they didn't try to market either movie as WEST SIDE STORY. Like I said before, it's easy to say "Oh, no, nobody would say anything about a white SHAFT remake!" because you know it would never happen. It would be a ridiculous folly. Works both ways.

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Mojo..this is WILL SMITH we are talking about...

    by conspiracy

    do you think there is ANYWAY he won't fuck this up with horrible, out of date, Hip-Hop just so HIS name is in there somewhere? Why not develop a NEW property with his arrogant little kid? Why Annie? Not that I really give a fuck. Hell man..I would not want to see "Annie" in the first place...but an "Annie" picked up out of her Depression era roots and slammed down in and updated for a 21st Century America? Thats an "Awwww...Helll Nooooo" Have you ever seen Wagner or Mozart updated for "Modern" Audiences? I have....They inevitably suck...I mean REALLY SUCK. Because these things elicit a time and era, a feeling; and to see them "Updated" and turned on their heads ruins the experience... Now...I"m not saying "Annie" is art, or even good....but it IS of a time and place...

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    I hope they re-imagineer Soul Food

    by unicorndick

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST


    by Mojo-Wan

    I'm not saying he won't use hip hop. I'm just saying it may be more of a Tyler Perry project in my mind. The question is, if you admittedly don't care, why all the vitriol? Why all the ranting and tirades and pulling at any thread you can to attack a project you don't even care about? Why can't you pull Annie out of the 30's depression and put her into the 21st century one? Seems to me the perfect time for it. Do you have this kind of righteous outrage for Clueless or 10 Things I Hate About You? I just don't see how this Keep Fictional America White movement serves a purpose for anybody. Will Smith can do what he wants, because he has the means.

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 5:02 p.m. CST


    by Amadeo Zeller

    Romeo Must Die & Zebrahead weren't remakes of Westside Story...They were just two movies with a black and asian/black and white leads. You inferring that they were remakes smacks of a cheap rationalization to prove a false point. Hell, Romeo Must Die had more in common (plot-wise) with ROMEO & JULIET, sans the romance between the protagonist and the female lead...If we go by your narrow-minded rationale, then every movie concerning a WHITE and NON-WHITE lead is taking its' cue from WESTSIDE STORY. You come off as nothing more than another smarmy pseudo-intellectual with that typical WHITE MALE SUPERIORITY COMPLEX, but in reality, you're just fellin' a lil' DISENFRANCHISED cuz one lone negro with a lil' JUICE in Hollywood has stepped outside of that neat lil' box you so (patronizingly) placed around colored folk...But hey, take heart - 99.9% of Hollywood's Productions are SOLELY white and very EXCLUSIONARY, so your universe is still in order. LOL! ...And all this bullshit about Will Smith purposely using the Karate Kid moniker to ensure familiarity for box office success, was Sony's idea...Afterall, they own the property and distributed it.

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 6:07 p.m. CST

    A very iconic film was remade into a shit movie....

    by Bobo_Vision

    ...a while back, and that movie was Psycho. The cast was the same race as the original I believe, so nobody was up in arms and there wasn't a whole lot of controversy surrounding it, even though it starred that douchebag Vince Vaughn. The movie was crap, nobody saw it, life went on, and the original Psycho still exists untainted as a Hitchcock classic. BUT, if Will Smith were to remake Psycho....a lot of white dudes on the internet would be pissed....

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 6:12 p.m. CST

    A successful movie is not a success

    by Teddy Artery

    until it has an audience. For example, that didn't happen for Blade Runner when it first came out. The timing was bad. Star Wars appealed to it's audience immediately at the time, but as these things go it's typically dumb luck that a movie strikes gold. If you try to create entertainment according to a formula, you are bound for failure, but if this new "Annie" can appeal to it's target audience, it deserves to succeed on it's own merits. Get over it 'peoples'.

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 9:01 p.m. CST

    aye and the theres The Wicker Man remake

    by Smack_Teddy

    that was the worst and a disaster even though a solid director was on to it, overseeing it all... plus that shameless arse Francis Ford Coppolla most certainly deserves some scrutiny or finger pointing for pimping Nic Cage on that one. Did Nic Cage even know what he was doing there?...

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Sanford & Son WAS a remake of a white show

    by deelzbub

    a BBC show called Steptoe and Son. And Sanford and Son was ultimate TV greatness. My point is, a white story CAN be made into a successful black one, a la The Wiz. But if it sucks due to shitty child acting ,you can all sit back and say "Told you so."

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 10:42 p.m. CST

    as a bluehead i find that animation offensive

    by wattos new hat

    to my eyes

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 11:11 p.m. CST


    by ihatefanboys

    someone gotta break it to wil smith that his children did not pick up the talent gene. its sad but true, and someone has to tell him. everyone is proud of their kids, but as the great george carlin said "children are like any other group of people, a few winners, a whole bunch of losers" and both of his children are horrible. his son is a horrible actor, and his daughter is a horrible singer.

  • Jan. 29, 2011, 11:12 p.m. CST

    that animation sums up

    by Smack_Teddy

    the agreement with my landlord im pretty sure

  • Jan. 30, 2011, 3:55 a.m. CST

    by Navin79

    If he's allowed to do this, then I'm remaking "Roots" with an all white cast, and putting Zac Efron in the lead.

  • Jan. 30, 2011, 9:22 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Seeing him run half-naked and getting tied up on the beach would be sexy hot.

  • Jan. 30, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    1) No, I don't think Smith was trying to drum up controversy. I think he was trying to find a property that would work for his talented son, and was willing to do it DESPITE the controversy. Huge difference. People successful at that level don't base multi-million dollar projects and a year of their child's life on what fucking internet fans grouse about. It would be incredibly egotistical to think he's laying plans based on what you think. They both loved "Karate Kid." So the development process began. The original name was kept for brand identification, and because all the original beats were there--it's obviously the same movie. Jackie Chan was in the damned thing, and he knows better than everyone on this board combined that karate and kung fu are different things. If it didn't bother him, (it's just a fucking label, after all) why should everybody else have such a cow? 2) In your mind, changing Annie's race changes the entire story. Really? What exactly about the story of an orphan finding a family is race dependent? Change the race in "The Godfather" and you have an issue because you are specifically dealing with Italian or Sicilian bloodlines intertwined with the history of Vegas, Cuba, etc. You can't, without changing everything. Make "Han Solo" black? Where in the Star Wars trilogy was there any mention of race, or did race factor in at all? "Shaft"? Slightly problematic, since the entire thrust of the original movie was a black private eye moving between racial worlds to rescue a black gangster's daughter. I suppose you could flip the races, though...and I wouldn't give a shit IF white roles were as available. I can't speak for what other people would say, but I'd guess that if there were ever genuine "color blind casting" whites would complain about it more than blacks--they'd be losing more cultural privilege, while blacks would be gaining power and opportunity. 3)"Romeo Must Die" wasn't a remake of West Side story, Dude. At best, both were remakes of "Romeo and Juliet." Puerto Ricans standing in for Italians. As for "Zebrahead," never heard of it. Note that when the male is non-white, the sex is excised. I never saw "Zebrahead" but I'm betting that the white guy screws the black chick thoroughly. That's the exact situation in American film: white male audiences will accept that imagery about 10X more readily than the reverse. Check sexual content in those critical 100-million box office plus films. 4) We needn't bring hypothetical "others" into the conversation. I'll ask you straight up: I'd be perfectly happy for all of these things to be cast race neutral. Would you?

  • Jan. 30, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    Did you actually see "Karate Kid"? Jaden blew Macchio off the screen in terms of physical expression. I admit that Macchio had the edge in terms of vocal expression, but ask any actor: body language is a gigantic chuck of creating a convincing character. And that makes two out of three: "Pursuit of Happyness" was fine, "Day The Earth Stood Still" was MISERABLY directed--everybody looked bad. And "Karate Kid" was a triumph. Kid definitely inherited his dad's work ethic. Time will tell if he can build a career. Name and connections alone cannot do it, and never could. Ask Frank Sinatra Jr. And if you think Karate Kid made almost 400 million dollars worldwide because of his father's name, ask Emilio Estavez how his career is doing. And if you think it made that money because it was a remake of a beloved film, try to find a copy of "Billy Jack Goes To Washington." Fame and/or a well known film title will get you an opening weekend, only. After that it's word of mouth. And word of mouth was, obviously, hugely excellent.

  • Jan. 30, 2011, 2 p.m. CST

    Saying the essence of Annie...

    by Hipshot

    is her whiteness is asinine. I've read dozens of articles about Little Orphan Annie, the movie "Annie", etc over the last fifty years. They mentioned her being in the depression. Her red hair and huge eyes, her dog. The fact that Daddy Warbucks was a war profiteer. But prior to this announcement about Will Smith, not ONE article mentioned her race. Never not one. Please find one that did. Defining her now as a "white, redheaded..." etc as if that is some critical aspect of her humanity is just retrofitting your own prejudices. It's not about her cultural history, her language, nothing. It is about a spunky orphan making her way in the world. Only someone who primarily sorts humanity on the basis of race would say otherwise--if race is so damned essential to her, find a single mention of it in any published article, previous to this announcement. Dare you.

  • Jan. 30, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST

    As long as she has solid white eyes and an afro, it's all good...

    by BurnHollywood

    Cast Michael Duncan Clarke as Daddy Warbucks as well. And her dog should be a dogfighting-scarred pit bull, too.

  • Jan. 30, 2011, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Will Smith on how he deals with racism in Hollywood

    by Bobo_Vision