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This is an elegant Behind the Scenes Pic of the Day, for a more civilized age.

Published at: Jan. 25, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST by quint

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!

This moment from the original Star Wars is the central reason for the bad taste the prequels left in my mouth. Obi-Wan explaining the Force to Luke, telling him about his father and the days before the Empire was so rich with wondrous ambiguity that when Lucas fumbled it frustrated me.

Granted it would probably be impossible to live up the dreams inspired by Alec Guinness’ words, but you get the feeling that Lucas at one time knew how to tell the prequel story with the same kind of magic he infused the original Star Wars Trilogy with.

But enough about prequel bashing. It’s boring, it’s the same sad story from a sad geek you’ve heard a dozen times before. How about we just focus on the greatness of this first movie, particularly the scene featured today?

Below we have George Lucas working with Guinness, going over the famous handing down of the Skywalker family lightsaber. I have a couple of pictures from this particular set, so you’ll get two for the price of one today! Both are clickable for bigger versions! Enjoy!

 

 

 

 

Tomorrow’s behind the scenes pic follows the Star Wars Saga to it’s next installment… although don’t trust your assumption. It may be deceiving you!

-Quint
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  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    This is the good stuff..

    by Darth Valinorean

    Iconic moment in iconic movie. Forget the prequel garbage. This is where its at!!

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    The Prequels were just fine, in my book

    by StarWarsRedux

    Frankly, I'm tired of all the bashing they get around here. Yeah, it's not exactly a new discovery, but for crying out loud, dogdamnit.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Great pic!

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    I remember seeing the trailers for Episode 3. They had shots of Alec Guinness interspersed with footage from the then-upcoming Revenge of the Sith. All the trailers did was show stark contrast in quality between the originals and the new drek. It made me deeply sad to see that. And it wasn't just the acting and effects - it was the very difference between 70s color film stock (grainy and alive) and the 24p digital video of the 2000s (empty and lifeless).

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Yep I agree they are just FINE,

    by billybigbollocks

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST

    klytus_i.m_bored

    by secretcylon

    Amen.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Alec Guinness hated all of you

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    he hated Star Wars, considered it a 'paycheck movie' and would return fan mail back to sender unopened. He was a crotchety old grouch who played a kindly old man in a movie. nothing more.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    "Hollywood, California...

    by greyspecter

    you will never find a more wretch hive of scum and villainy. This side of D.C. We must be cautious"

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST

    I like the prequels too, fuck the haters

    by brocknroll

    George Lucas told the entire Star Wars franchise just perfectly, the way it needed to be. Lucas, genius!

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST

    I have no geek boner for episode 4,

    by billybigbollocks

    in fact I have fallen asleep twice during the last half an hour, so repetitive is it. But sure I still give it a look see every now and again. Ep5 is AWESOME, absolutely so! Script and direction wonderful, but Ep6 has painfully bad dialogue by comparison, and the whole Ewok thing beggar's belief. Ep1 I saw x2 at the cinema, and I never do that, have never done that with ANY other film, so it must have something! 2 is alright but pails after the first viewing, and finally 3 gets it right, lots of expedition and saber fights, although the whole regression of technology thing is so awkwardly pushed in there its seems like amateur hour. All in all I say GET OVER THE WHOLE PREQUELS RUINED PERFECTION SHITE. NOW !!!

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:28 p.m. CST

    mystery is 99% more interesting than explanation

    by CARTMANEZ

    whenever sequels or prequels try to explain mysterious stuff/answer questions it always seems to be a major letdown - e.g. obi wan describing Anakin and the Clone Wars in Episode IV and The Force.....how/why the apes took over in POTA (instead of leaving it as a possible result of nuclear mutation from WW 3 - we get a space virus killing cats and dogs! WTF!?)...the interior of the mothership in CE3K...the monoliths motivations in 2001......the questions and mysteries behind the Matrix.…the Alien skull at the end of Predator 2...the reason the T800 looks like Arnold (although thankfully that was a deleted scene) and the future war complete with a screaming Jake Sully robot running around...the immortals origins in Highlander (like Guinness' exposition scene in Ep IV they fucked with Connerys excellent explanation in HL1 - "Why does the sun come up...or are the stars just pinholes in the curtain of night..who knows..") off hand the only things i can think that have been kept as mysteries is stuff like the ark 'angels' in Raiders...'hell' in Event Horizon...the borgs origins…the briefcase in Pulp Fiction…The Thing and the Alien origins/Space Jockey/Derelict - well until later this year and next year anyway...lets hope Scott dosnt drop the ball on that to the extent Lucas did

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:29 p.m. CST

    If you throw in a cocky, Han Solo-type of character...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...the Prequels would have been golden. Instead, we got Jar Jar Binks. No big deal...because the underlying story was sound. The Republic morphed into the Empire...to thunderous applause. You know, it reminds me a lot of November 2008. :-P

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Mala, Lumpy, and Itchy!

    by Dasinfogod

    I'm guessin' the "next installment" will be from the infamous Holiday Special, featuring the Stan Winston Wookiee clan...

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    The prequels are for five year olds and only five year olds.

    by alan_poon

    The originals can still be enjoyed by children and adults alike. Lucas basically stuck two fingers up to the kids from 77 and sold his soul for the almighty dollar. Even my 9 year old son hates Attack of The Clowns now.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Guinness is thinking, "What a piece of shit I'm in."

    by Karl Hungus

    Seriously, an actor of his caliber dealing with a socially awkward director and some dude in a dumb robot suit off in the corner, while being asked to imbue some kind of mythic importance to a flashlight? I wouldn't blame him for wanting to fire his agent.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST

    those pictures alone are better than the prequels!

    by Judge Briggs

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST

    in the Guinness speech about the Clone Wars etc...

    by CARTMANEZ

    you get the impression Anakin is about the same age as Obi Wan 'when i met your father he was already a great pilot...' someone like...i dunno...Charlton Heston or flashfoward to Ep 1 and Obi Wan meets 'Annie' and hes like all of 5 years old. it was odd - i mean why didnt Lucas just make Annie roughly the same age as Obi Wan in the 1st prequel and cast someone like Bale? then Annies downfall wouldve been all the more tragic seeing the same actor in all 3 movies of course then there was the small matter of the scripts, acting not being that great wasnt there and jar jar etc etc in hindsight Lucas shouldve: - made Anakin an adult in Ep 1 and cast a better actor than Hayden - e.g. Christian Bale (made more sense to have had a brit anyway as Sebastian Shaw was british and so was AG) or have had AOTC as Ep I and had Ep II as The Clone Wars..(with Phantom Menace intergrated as backstory/flashbacks etc) … - no jar jar...3PO and R2 were enough comic relief - had someone else write the scripts like he did with the OT - again like the OT, get different directors for Eps 2 and 3 (e.g Spielberg for 2...Cameron or Scott or Jackson for 3)...Spielberg was supposed to direct Return of the Jedi but couldnt due to some problem with the directors guild...but he was itching to direct a prequel (i believe Lucas intended him to direct Ep II b4 he decided to direct them all)....and the others wouldve jumped at the chance to direct a SW as they've all said the original film pretty much got them into directing in the first place. It would’ve been a calling - like ‘star wars needs you’

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:41 p.m. CST

    the prequels are SHIT

    by elsewhere

    Cool BTS picture. =)

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Look how skinny Lucas was!

    by rev_skarekroe

    Eat right and exercise kids or THIS WILL HAPPEN TO YOU!!

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Will we ever heal?

    by blackwood

    I mean, I think the prequels are underwhelming. PHANTOM MENACE is the best of the lot, Jar-Jar and Little Ani notwithstanding. It had an energy to it. A little spark that, I feel, dwindled and diminished with each following film. Still, sometimes I have a craving and I'll throw them on in the background and they play as screensavers with lightsabers in. But I also feel that I'm over it, in general. I'm over hating on them, or defending what's defensible. They don't touch the originals -- they certainly don't ruin them, or STAR WARS as a universe. I'm dead tired of this same era being endlessly mined so that any bit of mystery or intrigue has been completely stripped from what is still a really cool milieu. The best of all of it, outside the originals is, in my opinion, THE FORCE UNLEASHED (part 1), because it did have some of that magic, that roguish charm and rebel spirit, that the originals captured so well. And Tartakovsky's CLONE WARS, of course. In conclusion... I don't know what I was saying. Huh.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Even my brother hate's the prequals

    by BadlyDubbedPorn

    and he's a fucking bellend who usally enjoy's shit like the Transformer movie's. I once watched Swordfish and then Memento with him. He preferred Swordfish and hated Memento. I never watched a movie with him again.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    The problem with making Anakin an adult in Ep. I...

    by rev_skarekroe

    ...is that a big source of his angst is that he was separated from his mother during his formative years. I think a better hindsight solution would be to cast a better kid as little Anakin and have him say fewer irritating things.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:50 p.m. CST

    How Did Lucas Ever Get Guiness In The First place?

    by Crow3711

    I mean really, what a coup. He was probably thinking "what the fuck is this movie about again?" the entire time, stuck in Tunisia, with some crazy bearded nerd. How did he convince him to do this? I've never heard the story

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST

    You keep complaining...

    by UltimaRex

    ...Maybe Lucas will remake them. Won't that be fun? ... ... ... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST

    actually forget prequels - Lucas should have done sequels

    by CARTMANEZ

    shouldve just done a sequel trilogy instead with the original cast in supporting roles (Luke as an Obi Wan type mentor training new jedis, Queen Leia, General Lando and Chewie, 3P0 and R2 with a cameo by Ford as Han) they wouldve been far more enjoyable the whole 1977 'Star Wars' as 'Episode IV A New Hope' (which was retconned was it not?) and then having Empire as Ep V/Jedi as Ep VI thing always seemed to me to be a sort of gag to make the first film seem like one of those Flash Gordon style serials done big - jumping in way into the saga - it just meant there was some vague backstory to it all - it didnt mean Lucas actually had to do it (thus ruining the mystique and mysteriousness of stuff like the Guinness' clone war speech) showing Vaders origin and the clone wars etc (basically what Alec Guiness talked about to Luke in his home in Ep IV) was always gonna be a disappointment as it just got rid of the mystrey and vagueness of it all (esp in casting a 5 year old kid) - some things are better left alone

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Balls.

    by UltimaRex

    The "AAAGGGHHH!!!" was supposed to stay in the box.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 3:02 p.m. CST

    My kid wanted to watch the star wars movies

    by lochkray

    So I've started showing them to him, in order of Episode. He loves them. Absolutely loves them. I imagine when he's in his 30s, he'll have the same nostalgia for them that I have for the originals. I'm also getting bored of the prequel bashing, it is sooooo fucking predictable and tiresom. I hate to tell you, but the dialogue in episode 4, 5, and 6 also sucked. YES, EVEN IN EMPIRE. The acting was weak, the characters trite, and the plots were childishly simplistic. But they were fantastic escapism, to a world of visual wonder and awsome adventure. Just like the prequels. Maybe its a good thing that people bash the first three so much. It pushes them down into a subculture of fans, just like the originals were. Somewhere along the way, it became "in" to believe that the first three were the greatest things ever in cinema. But they weren't. They were groundbreakingly innovative, but they weren't cinematic perfection. YES EVEN EMPIRE. Post-modern movie history glorifies episode 5 as the great one, but that's just because it has a few glimmers of "grown up" moments, so geeks cling to it with a See-it's-not-childish-to-like-these attitude. Well I hate to tell you, it is. And I like my inner child, and my inner child likes Star Wars. All Star Wars. Jar Jar, Ewoks, Roger-Roger robots....all of it. And fuck everybody else who can't think of anything else to do but bitch because their inner child is dead, and are too dimwitted to realize that to praising the originals is just praising family level entertainment. Anyway, that's what I think.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    lochkray - whats your kids fave scene?

    by CARTMANEZ

    Jar Jar stepping in doo doo or the farting camel?

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    It is fun to look at pictures like these and imagine...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...what everyone must have been thinking about this weird little sci-fi film they were making. I'm 99.999% sure NONE of them were thinking, "This movie will change cinematic history and make this Lucas fellow one of the richest, most powerful men in the industry." Especially not Hamill, just chillin' in the corner...

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    omg george- eat something!

    by alice133

    try the prequels.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 3:12 p.m. CST

    re what Guinness is thinking...

    by CARTMANEZ

    he was probably thinking he was in something like what Starcrash or Battle Beyond The Stars turned out and that Lucas was something like a young Corman

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST

    I love the original trilogy and the edit I made of episode I.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Episode II, not sure if I can edit that one to work. Probably can cut 45 minutes. Episode III, I haven't thought about it. Next time I watch it, I'll have notebook handy.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Prequel Star Wars = The diarhea shit from a Rancor's butt

    by KilliK

    FACT

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 3:24 p.m. CST

    FanEdit does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    'Fan Edit' may be a dirty word to some (shouldn't the film maker get it right first time?!) but really the whole fan edit phenomenon was born from the dissatisfaction of the prequels... <p> I've seen a couple of PT fan edits now and imho they are significantly superior to the theatrical versions.<p> As an example, the AOTC edit has Obi Wan and Anakin chase down the female assassin, only for her to be shot with Jango's poison dart - just like the theatrical, only as she dies she now murmurs 'Kamino.. system'. This one tiny change allows the whole of that atrocious Dexter's diner scene to be extraneous and cut.<p> With Lucas's worst indulgences removed, dead weight scenes gone, and some of the clunkiest lines of dialogue the Prequels become 'almost' worthy of the Star Wars name.<p> Check out the link below to see available fan edits: <p> http://tinyurl.com/5tecdep <p> And if anyone wants to download them (perfectly legal - as long as you also own the original movie on video or dvd), then first download JDownloader free software from here and you're all set to go: http://fanedit.info/jdown.html <p>And remember, the dojo will be with you...always.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Guinness : Believed it would be a hit

    by magnetoelectric

    Sir Alec , as wise as he was, bargained for 2% gross in his contract. "I'm Rich Beotch!"

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    For the OT i'd wholeheartedly recommend Adywan's STAR WARS EPISODE IV REVISITED (uber professional edit with new fx and all sorts of tweaks and enhancements)..<p> For the PT I'd look at the edits by JasonN - he trims a lot of the fat from the movies and really makes them pacier and a lot less clunky. He even manages to make Hayden kinda likeable - no mean feat!

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST

    And he didn't hate Star Wars, He hated the fans

    by magnetoelectric

    Understandably so. They would yell out in the street "Oh my god its Obi Wan!" Must've been pretty fucking annoying when you're an Academy award winning actor and people cant even remember your real fuckin name

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Re: Prequel bashing and the OT...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...let's remember that "Return of the Jedi" had some pretty egregious shit in it. Ewoks, specifically. And the "here are all the happy ghosts" ending. And the whole "let's go blow up the Death Star... again..." plot. I'd say "Revenge of the Sith" holds up pretty well next to Jedi, all in all.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST

    i like 'em all

    by frank cotton

    but i don't like every bit of every one, even the first 3 - ewoks? THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK was great, but i hated that the ship wouldn't go lightspeed, 'cause i loved that effect! had to wait three more years to see it again...nothing is perfect

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Quint

    by Lovecraftfan

    Out of curiousity will you ever have a PTA behind the scenes.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Probably?

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    "it would probably be impossible to live up the dreams inspired by Alec Guinness’ words" You think?

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    writefortheedit ROTJ had Leia in metal bikini

    by KilliK

    ROTS had a schizo wood with a lightsaber decapitating old men and children. ROTS not only does not hold pretty well next to ROTJ,it's not even in the same league.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    a schizo wood decapitating old men and children?<p> (sinister Sidious voice) "Treebeard... your turn to the darkside is complete."

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Very well said Halfbreedqueen.

    by Roketopunch

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    lochkray

    by Dealer

    Cant wait to watch those great senate debates about trade routes again with my kids!

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 4:21 p.m. CST

    ROTS was shit

    by Phategod100

    I know its opinion but it was never has there been such a poorly directed POS. one 10 minute scene does not excuse the other 130 of pure crap.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Re: RoTS vs. RoTJ

    by WriteForTheEdit

    All's I'm saying is that "Return..." is clearly the weakest of the OT, and "...Sith" is clearly the strongest of the prequels. Both have crappy bits; both have some pretty cool shit, too. And yes, sadly, nothing in "...Sith" matches a young, tight Carrie Fisher in a gold bikini. So points for that.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Ironic

    by sith_rising

    since this scene hatched the biggest plothole/retcon in the Star Wars Original Trilogy. Leia being Luke's brother is the second biggest. And people think the Prequels were poorly planned...

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Tartovsky made ROTS look even shittier

    by Phategod100

    His Clone wars was so much better then Anything Lucas made and he actually made a menacing villian. Something Lucas hadn't done since Episode 4.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Any question about SW quality..

    by Dealer

    ..just read any of the Gary Kurtz interviews, he makes it pretty clear Lucas had a major shift in his idea about what makes a good movie.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST

    This series was meant for 12 year olds

    by MajorFrontbum

    from the beginning and that is a fact. It's a fairy tale set in space with puppets and muppets. Stop trying to convince yourself and the rest of the world, that it was never intended as a children's film, because that's a load of bullshit.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST

    ledergrant

    by Dealer

    Could not agree more! <p> This all goes back to Lucas NOT wanting to spend money on "story" So anyone that says the Clone Wars speach could never live up to our imagination, I say thats BS.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 4:52 p.m. CST

    The Tartakovsky Clone Wars? Really?

    by StarWarsRedux

    They were fun, but taking them seriously as "better than the movies" is just plain stupid. They didn't really feel "Star Wars" to me-- more "Samurai Jack" in Jedi drag. Tartakovsky is overrated in everything he does, anyway.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 4:54 p.m. CST

    The Prequels

    by PlayerHater_of_the_year

    I know, why bother chiming in... but I'm gonna anyway. I'm happy the prequels were a monumental god awful disaster. Its a cinematic defining event of the 21st century that will NEVER be forgotten. If the prequels weren't such a shit storm no one would even remember them anymore they would just be a blur mixed in with all the other decent genre movies of the era like LOTR, Spiderman 1&2, Matrix, Blade 2, Nolan's Batman, Iron Man etc. But instead we got the cinematic equivalent of 911. These movie's rankness spawned a whole industry of documentarians, amateur film critics and I think actually heightened peoples awareness of film in general. I really think these films have made a generation of better film directors as they all now realize that money, hubris and CG will NOT make a good movie. If there had never been a JarJar Binks would we have maybe seen a lame 'comic relief' talking monkey in Avatar? I guess my point is, the fact that these movies sucked dogshit covered walrus balls, has brought me far more joy and entertainment than if they were just plain old mundane "good". Perhaps that was Lucas' intent all along! George you 're a mad genius.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 4:56 p.m. CST

    This article should've just been called:

    by Kremzeek

    "Before The Neck" Everyone here would immediately know this was a SW post before even clicking on it. I keed, I keed. But not really.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    ledergrant

    by logjam

    Dude - I'm being totally serious, but in that few paragraphs you just wrote a better prequel than Lucas could have ever dreamed up. Your movie is one I'd want to see. Again, no sarcasm. The main question, that you nailed is: why do you have to make Anakin a little kid...

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Cartmanez

    by lochkray

    He thought both were hillarious.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 5:11 p.m. CST

    I, for one, think ledergrant's idea sucks

    by StarWarsRedux

    Just more "let's make everybody like Han" fanfic garbage. But then, I also hate almost anything with the word "pirate" in it, nowadays, so there's that.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 5:23 p.m. CST

    way to see the silver lining, playerhater

    by Keats

    The prequels are so fascinating. It is a phenomenon much like 9/11. People cannot stop talking about how horrible they were over a decade after Ep1 came out. Please do not defend the prequels. RotJ was much, much better than RotS. RotJ is very good with some twinges of the horribleness of the prequels, whereas RotS is horrible, with some twinges of the greatness of the original trilogy. And these (very subtle and brief) twinges in RotS only serve to accentuate the overall atrocity of the movie and make us mourn for what might have been.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Hamill chllin'..... lil bit illin'

    by DougMcKenzie

    I look at Fisher in these... then I look at her latest special.... then I look at my wife.... then I cry knowing what is to come.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 5:41 p.m. CST

    I'm confused, what are those walls doing there?

    by Batutta

    I thought sets were made out of green screen and CGI. Is this how movies used to get made?

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Braindrain-- one big reason I love the Prequels...

    by StarWarsRedux

    ...is that nobody is even remotely like Han. I outgrew him somewhere in grade school.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Playerhater and TVS

    by StarWarsRedux

    So, now the "raped my childhood" cry has been replaced by "equivalent of 9/11"? Exactly how much further do bashers intend to push the offensive hyperbole thing?

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Amen, TVS-frank

    by Kremzeek

    I agree completely. Although, I wish everyone would stop using 9/11 as a comparison. The 2 are not even remotely similar. 1000s of people brutally murdered vs. horrible movies made by The Neck? Um... yeah. Not even close to the same thing.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 5:59 p.m. CST

    George took too many quaaludes in the 80's

    by IndianaPeach

    how else to explain his 2012 rant? or the prequels?

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 6 p.m. CST

    Pretty Cool seeing Anthony Daniels with some face time

    by iakobos

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Smart Alec

    by MegaBaz

    Did Guinness ever explain why, if he hated it all so much, he went back to it not once but twice? Obviously the massive amounts of cash were nice, but he did rather undermine his argument there I think. Still a top actor though.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 6:18 p.m. CST

    I dont hate the prequels

    by PlayerHater_of_the_year

    I love them in fact. I just don't love them for the same reason the fanboys love them. I enjoy their utter awfulness in the same way people enjoy Troll 2 or The Room or Ed Wood films. I don't think they "raped my childhood". They're just bad movies that have seemed to have had a ridiculously huge impact on the pop culture of the 2ist century. Imagine how boring Starwars talkbacks would be if they had been good.

  • got to where he was. Enough said. Lucas should have gone that route. Alas, his imagination was too strict.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Playerhater-- the fanboys aren't the ones who love the Prequels

    by StarWarsRedux

    Fanboys hate them. It's pretty much everybody else who thinks they're good, or even great. <p>I love the Prequels, because I think they're pretty much the best sci-fi/fantasy to come out of the past decade, aside from "Lost" and a couple of anime. I'll take TPM over any bloated LOTR movie any day.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 6:28 p.m. CST

    warhorses

    by jameskpolk

    First time I read that I thought you wrote "whorehouses". The line works either way.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 6:31 p.m. CST

    time to chime in

    by disfigurehead

    Jedi started the downward spiral of shit. It is boring and it shows on the actors. Just look at Carrie Fisher. Besides being strung out she is totally bored. 2 out of 6 films aint bad.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 6:37 p.m. CST

    If Tartovsky's Overrated then Lucas is what?

    by Phategod100

    The Animated Clone wars is proof that It can be done better with less.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 6:43 p.m. CST

    turd_has_risen_from_the_gravy

    by PlayerHater_of_the_year

    I bet if Tommy Wiseau had a 100mil and an army of sycophants he could make something comparable to the Phantom Menace. Thing is, if Phantom Menace was just a generic space fantasy movie that didn't have the loose trappings of a successful franchise propping it up it would have been flushed even before it completed production. And The Room did have a light sabre battle. It was in the Extra Special Addition and was 40 minutes long over a heatless lava pit. It ended with Tommy Wiseau light sabering himself in the head.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 6:45 p.m. CST

    How to ruin the myth of the force in one word.

    by richievanderlow

    midichlorians. Or I would have accepted, the actual subtitle that should have been the name of Ep. 1.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 6:51 p.m. CST

    What's the word, turd?

    by StarWarsRedux

    Sorry, couldn't help but chime in and say that. You're alright, man.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 7 p.m. CST

    Star Wars minus Harrison Ford ==

    by James_Camera_On

    Shit. Which is why sequels would have been a much better idea. Another thing to remember that Lucas's original conception of Obi Won was that he would be a goofy Jar Jar Binx type who lived in a cave because he was nuts. Guiness put his foot down and refused to do it. But clearly Lucas never gave up on the idea and when the time came to do the pre-quels and with Guiness out of the picture, guess what?

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Cartmanez When in 2001 is there an explanation?

    by Monolith_Jones

    I agree with your point wholeheartedly, but I'm confused on the part about 2001. Also, Ridley Scott's Alien prequel seems to have morphed into an idea that has little to nothing to do with the franchise.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Turd

    by PlayerHater_of_the_year

    Well, yeah Wiseau is pretty bad and I'm actually giddy at the thought of the monstrosity he could create. But that aside 70's George Lucas is a far cry from modern neck fat George Lucas. If this was a new franchise by some up and comer and it did some how manage to get green lit, studio writers would have been assigned to turning the convoluted mess of a plot into something comprehensible (which probably happened on the original StarWars). The nauseatingly unfunny and horribly conceived JarJar Binks would have never made it pass the first draft of the script. A casting director wouldn't have been forced to hire child actors who couldn't act and you can't use the excuse that JarJar and Anakin were "for the kids". I've watched just about every major Disney and Pixar 'kids' movies of the last decade and there is nothing in these 'kids' movies approaching the vomit inducing awfulness of JarJar Binks. I actually defended these movies when I first saw them because I was stoked about new Star Wars, but one day you realize that they are just terribly written, boring, ineptly made movies. But I'm sure this argument will go on for decades to come...

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST

    monolith_jones - i was refering to the sequel 2010

    by CARTMANEZ

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 7:38 p.m. CST

    james_camera_on

    by StarWarsRedux

    Sounds more like Lucas re-used the "Jedi Master who went crazy in isolation" idea for Yoda, rather than Jar-Jar.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Some people can just make old war stories that much cooler

    by Kamaji

    That is what I've come to take from Obi-Wan's story. Besides, he doesn't completely tell the truth. I'm still of the persuasion that Obi-Wan and Yoda had an ulterior motive to drive Luke to kill Vader. They embellished the 'truth' regarding Anakin Skywalker, and one can even think that Kenobi sacrificed himself to help ignite a fire for revenge in Luke to avenge the death of his 'father's friend.' Another great example of never showing us too much was in the Terminator films by James Cameron: the future war was so much cooler when it was in our heads.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 7:45 p.m. CST

    ROTS was everything I wanted from the prequels.

    by shutupfanboy

    Anakin killing Jedi, Emperor vs. Yoda, Obi vs. Anakin, the birth of the twins as the same time as Vader is built and Obi dropping Luke off. It was what I thought would happen when I was 8 years old and later as the prequels were announced. Prequel hate has gotten to nauseating level even 6 years after Episode III.

  • Bashing ROTJ seems to have become the Prequel apologist's tool of choice in recent years. I like ROTS. I really do. It's the only prequel I can watch all the way through. It's no Jedi though. I'm sorry, it's not. It's still suffers from the same downfalls that the other prequels suffer from; cardboard acting, stupid, inappropriate jokes, awkward dialogue, tacked on plot points, unlikeable characters...to a lesser extent, yes, but they're still there. There's nothing in Jedi that makes me cringe like I do whenever General Grevous talks, or when Padme dies of a broken heart, or when R2D2 lights the droids with the cartoon voices on fire, or when Anakin becomes a remorseless child murderer at the drop of a hat, or when the disfigured Palpatine shows up and converts the Republic to an Empire, also at the drop of a hat and no one and no one even begins to question it, or the infamous "nooooo" scene...I could really go on and on here. Yes, Jedi has it's flaws. But, if you honestly think it's worse than Sith, your rose tinted glasses are much darker than mine are.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Is that Dr. Zaius in the foreground of pic#1?

    by CountryBoy

  • you know, that bit about him (Anakin) being the best star pilot in the galaxy and a good friend, I pictured Alec Guiness and another British gentleman as old as Guiness is in ep4, in a world war 1 era plane kicking @$$ while enjoying each other's company. Hopefully Sebastian Shaw will be on the bluray release.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 8:18 p.m. CST

    What the prequels should have been ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    Agreed with cartmanez, if Neeson had played Anakin then the prequel arc would have been: (a) Neeson falls for Amidala but can't consummate it because he's sworn to celibacy (b) Amidala wants Neeson back so bad she betrays her planet to Sidious's forces but no one knows that (c) Obi Wan finds out and covers it up. (d) Yoda finds out and expels Neeson/Anakin from the Jedi. Obi Wan resigns in disgust. (e) Meanwhile it turns out that Sidious has been secretly assassinating senators and replacing them with clones. That's what the clones are for - they're not stormtroopers. (f) The Jedi find out about this and start tracking down and killing clones. Sidious claims they're not clones and that the Jedi have turned rogue. (g) Anakin and Obi Wan play Butch and Sundance until the find out that the republic has descended into civil war - clone-senators on one side, Jedi on the other, and Sidious pulling the strings. (h) The two heroes back up Yoda fighting Sidious and get him down for the count. But then ... (i) it turns out that Anakin's wife Amidala is herself a clone under Sidious's control. He flips over to the dark side, kills Mace Windu and a bunch of similar guys. (j) Sidious gets crowned emperor. Obi Wan ambushes Anakin to try to turn him back. Anakin is about to kill Obi Wan when Amidala intervenes and gets killed by accident. (k) Anakin uses the dark side to suicide but Sidious saves what's left. Obi Wan and Yoda hide Luke and Leia. Done. That's what we all wanted. And mark my words, one day, far, far in the future, when all the trademarks have expired, someone is going to film that.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 8:34 p.m. CST

    SW prequels 1993-99

    by CARTMANEZ

    if SW prequels had started being released 10 years after Jedi in 1993 and wrapped up when TPM actually did come out in 99 (and had Anakin as an adult from the start, oh and had someone else to write the scripts....and Lucas only directing Ep 1, Spielberg directing Ep 2 for 96 and Cameron or R Scott for Ep 3 in 99) Obi Wan - Kenneth Branagh Anakin - Liam Neeson Padme - winona ryder Mace Windu - Denzel Washington Qui Gonn - Charlton Heston or Christopher Reeve Jar Jar - no one

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 8:37 p.m. CST

    @cartmanez

    by veteran_of_mu

    So now we have it all worked out ... how do we get this made?

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 8:52 p.m. CST

    cartmanez

    by Dealer

    I think yalls outline is pretty good for a correct prequel trilogy. The main problem with the current PT is there are NO twist turns surprises or revelations. And once again anyone who doesn't think the PT had problems please seek out the Gary Kurtz article from 2002. It's no coincidence he produced SW and ESB and those are the main two near perfect SW movies.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 8:57 p.m. CST

    ive a horrible feeling that somewhere in an alternate universe....

    by CARTMANEZ

    we had: Star Wars Episode VII: Rise of the Darkside (1987) Star Wars Episode VIII: The Wrath of the Empire (1990) Star Wars Episode XI: Balance of The Force (1993) all starring Harrison Ford, Mark hammil and Carrie Fisher...directed by Steven Spielberg, George Miller and Ridley Scott. and then the prequels in 99, 02 and 05 directed by Spielberg, Cameron and jackson starring Christian Bale as Anakin in all 3 films instead in this universe/reality we got what we got

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 9:06 p.m. CST

    "Jar-Jar makes the Ewoks look like fooking Shaft!"

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    Love that scene in Spaced where Simon Pegg torches all of his Star Wars memorabilia.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 9:14 p.m. CST

    the future war was so much cooler in our heads?

    by obi_juan

    No, actually it was pretty cool in the glimpses we saw of it in the movies. And it also would have been cool if T4 was the future war we saw in the previous movies.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 9:17 p.m. CST

    what was everyone expecting the prequels to actually be like?

    by CARTMANEZ

    back when they were announced in the 90s? i dont know what the hell i was expecting... something like Excaliber meets Braveheart but with light sabers i think

  • Actually, at the time I simply thought the very idea of a prequel was very odd. We know how it ends, so it's going to be stupid. Were there many other moves that did the prequel thing before Star Wars? Also, I thought the clone wars would be cool. I thought it would involve a clone of say Obiwan and others. So Obiwan would end up fighting his dark side clone or something.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Obi_juan

    by Dealer

    I honestly expected them to stand the test of time.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 9:43 p.m. CST

    On the radio the other day...

    by maxjohnson1971

    That gameshow on NPR, "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me" the host was making a joke about the new Republican majority wanting to "un-do" the new health-care bill. He joked that among other things the Republican majority was going to order was that George Lucas "un-do" the prequels. That got the longest and loudest applause of any part of the show. Quite telling I believe.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 9:51 p.m. CST

    ROTS VS ROTJ

    by elsewhere

    I'm curious to know what exactly in Revenge of the Shit makes it a better film than Return of the Jedi? It sure as fuck isn't the acting. It sure as fuck isn't the special effects and it sure as fuck isn't the plot. So what is it? Watch the Battle of Endor and then watch every single space battle in the prequels and tell me which is more exciting. Which feels more like Star Wars. Return of the Jedi ftw. You prequel defenders and Jedi haters make me fucking sick.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 10 p.m. CST

    cartmanez. I thought the prequels would've....

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Yes, like you said. Braveheart and Excalibur as influences. I expected the Jedi Knights to be Knights, with armor and lightsabers. I expected an army of Boba Fett looking commandos. I expected to see the true meaning behind Mos Eisley as the "wretched hive of scum and villainy." I expected a much older Anakin, who was flying spaceships and kicking ass, sort of a volunteer soldier/pilot doing his part for the war effort. All of that before he became a Jedi. The Clone Wars would not have been Clone versus droids, it would've been Clones versus Jedi. Lucas said the prequels were going to be big David Lean type epics (he said this around 1996).... I'm still waiting for that promise.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 10:07 p.m. CST

    I know Quint said not to...

    by Out of your element

    But the prequels were terrible, all around. Bad script, bad story, bad acting, overuse of CGI, the list goes on and on... But the main problem with them was that the tone and magic of the originals was totally absent.The feeling of wonder that makes you remember every little detail and makes go teary when Yoda tells Luke that the force is his ally. I don't remember half the shit in any of the prequels. Completely forgettable trash.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 10:10 p.m. CST

    If you're not convinced...

    by Out of your element

    Watch this. This guy is a genius. And he's funny. http://www.redlettermedia.com/sith.html

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 10:25 p.m. CST

    PT redo

    by Dealer

    To all that imagine a redone PT, forget every single character in the current ones. The only characters that matter are Anakin, Obi Wan Yoda and the Emporer it was their story and the old Republic of course.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 10:29 p.m. CST

    lochkray why would you do that?

    by MurderMostFowl

    Why would you watch them in episode order? You want your kid to not be surprised at the big reveal in Empire? You're kind of a dick parent.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Nice pics, but I'll stick with Adywan's versions...

    by Cervantes

    ...seeing as George messed his stuff up so much. At least Han still shoots first in the brilliant STAR WARS:REVISITED edit. I wonder if the same can be said for the forthcoming blu-ray?

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 10:59 p.m. CST

    So, bashers expected the "Star Wars" prequels would be...

    by StarWarsRedux

    ...basically everything BUT "Star Wars". Cute. <p>I expected to see the Jedi Order as a weird combination of Camelot, Samurai and Hippies, with plenty of lightsaber action. Check. <p>I expected to see the slow downfall of the Galactic Senate and the subtle rise of the evil mastermind Palpatine as a seemingly benevolent figure. Check. <p>I expected to see Coruscant. Check. <p>What I liked best about the movies, however, is all the stuff I didn't expect to see. I didn't expect we'd get any additional Sith Lords, let alone anyone as cool as Darth Maul. I didn't expect we'd see the Clone Wars fought with Storm Troopers fighting alongside the Jedi, let alone ones bred from a bounty hunter named Fett. I didn't expect to see Yoda pick up a lightsaber, let alone become the kick-ass hero of the saga. <p>The Prequels didn't just continue my love of "Star Wars". They renewed it, and took it to a whole new level.

  • Jan. 25, 2011, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Guiness didn't think Kenobi should die in the first one

    by HornyForHarry

    he didn't understand i guess. He was probably already signed for possibly 3 and thought he would play a living charactor which is less humiliating. I think more of the hate comes from the unprofessionalism and the storm that came afterwards. by storm I mean fanatics. But every job I ever had had some annoying issue that always pissed me off and made my life just a little bit harder, so whatever Guiness, get over it.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 12:51 a.m. CST

    I expected it not to suck

    by Phategod100

    I expected the acting to be good, I expected that all the alien would not be stereotypes, I expected to have a villain that I would actually find imposing, I expected Jedi to be as badd ass Ben Kenobi made them sound 30 years ago, I didn't expect a fucked up rational explanation of the force. anyone who like the prequel saga and think they were honestly good films I feel sorry for.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:35 a.m. CST

    the next installment...

    by cornholio1980

    Let me guess: Hollywood Special?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:43 a.m. CST

    Midichlorians.

    by Johnny Wishbone

    What a cunt.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:16 a.m. CST

    "I'll take TPM over any bloated LOTR movie any day."

    by Crumb

    Then you sir are an ass. Is it irony that Luca$' life story is a far better and logical depiction of how good intentions can ultmately lead to corruption and evil? About how someone fighting the system ultimately becomes the system themselves? Makes a hell of a lot more sense than the 6 hours of my life wasted trying to follow Anakins story.

  • And that is why your opinion is worthless.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:22 a.m. CST

    murdermostfowl re: being a dick parent

    by lochkray

    Yeah, showing them in order is wrong, because Darth Vader being Luke's father is such a well kept secret in our society. Please. "Luke, I am your father", or some other similar misquote, gets passed around often enough in pop culture, that every five year old is aware of the relationship, even if they've never seen a single frame of Star Wars. (although, I've always noticed that when people do the impression, they generally sound more like Arnold Schwartzenager than James Earle Jones)

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:05 a.m. CST

    ROTS' big fail point

    by The StarWolf

    When Obi-Wan turns his back and walks away from Anakin who is clearly in unimaginable agony without putting him out of his misery then and there. Made zero sense. Of course, if he had, then 4-5-6 couldn't have happened. It was Lucas painting himself in a corner through sloppy writing. Now, if Anakin had fallen out of sight and Obi-Wan had figured that, injured as he already was, he was probably killed in the fall, that would have worked.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:06 a.m. CST

    The next installment?

    by The StarWolf

    Would this be the execrable Christmas abomination?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Lord of the Rings

    by elsewhere

    Say what you will about the Lord of the Rings trilogy not being completely faithful to the source material, however they did fill the void left by the prequels for many of us. Nitpick time. Yoda should have never used a lightsaber. You would think he's well beyond that. In fact he shouldn't have made an appearance in the prequels at all. Just a name. It would've added SO much more to his character in Empire and overall myth. Starting to hate when AICN brings up anything about Star Wars because it opens up old wounds and tired old arguments which admittedly I can't help but add to.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:42 a.m. CST

    The Problem with The Prequals

    by Charles_Corkey_Thatcher

    Nothing was suprising. It was literally going through the motions to tell the back story. We already knew the ending so the whole thing was just a let down. Plus casting Darth Vader was just an epic failure all the way around. He should have made him Han Solo, The Jedi only more of a cocky badass. It was just different Ford, Hammil and Fisher were all HUNGRY and so was Lucas and everyone else involved with the production. Everyone in the prequals was already well established and Star Wars was a major hit so it was almost like they were walking on eggshells trying not to fuck up the legacy rather than just going balls to the wall. Plus there was Jar Jar. I mildly enjoyed Episode 3 and thought Lucas actually tried on that one.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:23 a.m. CST

    I would imagine that for someone like Guiness...

    by rbatty024

    who has a long and storied career, that to be remembered for just one role would have been awfully annoying. The man is a great actor, and if you have somehow missed his great work with David Lean, then get on that shit. You should start with The Bridge on the River Kwai.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:47 a.m. CST

    LOTR are SW prequels

    by CARTMANEZ

    they just happened a LONG long time ago in a galaxy far far away

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:52 a.m. CST

    In defense of the prequels:

    by DoctorZoidberg

    TPM was pretty awful with the exception of the Maul lightsaber battle at the end. AOTC and ROTS were fine....not great, but fine. I am not really sure what people were expecting. The main problem is that the original trilogy became so engrained in people's imagination, that they were misremembered as more than they actually were. If Lucas had released ROTJ now people would have lambasted that too. What I am really curious about is when the fuck will people stop bitching about movies that came out 6-12 fucking years ago!!!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:28 a.m. CST

    I'm going to do this again...

    by AndoSoundsLikeAMong

    RE : explanation for the force. The midis are only what allow people to make contact with the force. They don't generate it, they are just the conduit. The idea of a seemingly magical force of energy as Yoda describes it in the OT is still the same; all the midis do is explain why some people have access to it. This is a highly scientific era and the Jedi have been around for a while; they have probably been researching this shit, don't you think? It might drain off some of the granduer, and the point is ham-fisted in execution as best, but I like the intent of showing the difference in this age from the one of darkness... eh... seventeen years later in the OT...?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:32 a.m. CST

    There is no defense.

    by Crumb

    The three prequels fail not just as SW movies, but as regular movies too. Indeed, for me the saddest thing for me is the wasted opportunity they represent. I don't need to parrot Plinkett's reviews as I'm sure most who care are aware of them, but Luca$ failed in pretty much every aspect of what's required to make an enjoyable movie. None of it made any sense, none of the characters had any er.. character, and worse still he took beloved characters from the OT like Yoda and completely ruined them forever.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Star Wars prequels vs Star Trek prequels?

    by CARTMANEZ

    granted theres another 2 to go yet but id say Trek has already pretty much POWNED the SW prequels yes?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:51 a.m. CST

    im going to say 2019 we will see Episode VII

    by CARTMANEZ

    you can check back on this thread in the future

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:05 a.m. CST

    cartmanez

    by DirtyDingusMegee

    God willing we will all meet up again in Star Wars 2: The Search for More Money.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:07 a.m. CST

    starwarsredux @ the PT

    by Dealer

    Didn't you think the Jedi were kind of lame? Yes Darth Maul was cool but he was barely in TPM and killed off at the end. Somehow over THREE movies Palpatines slow rise felt rushed to me. All said and done there weren't that many Clone Wars fighting scenes, it seemed like a lot more senate debates to me. And yes Yoda picked up a light saber but somehow they made him look more like Daffy Duck bouncing off the walls in AOTC wasn't that kind of silly? Oh and don't forget the camel farting in TPM that was pure SW magic.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Cartmanez.

    by Dealer

    I will be checking back in 2019.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Prequels be damned...

    by meCPS

    any real SW fan knows that the novelizations that have continued moving the story forward from ROTJ are what really matters. SUre there's WAY too many of these books, but they have, for the most part, been extremely entertaining in their following of our favorite characters from the original trilogy.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Fuck the prequel lightsaber battles

    by Out of your element

    They sucked because you didn't really give a shit about the characters who were fighting. You know why? BECAUSE THE SCRIPT SUCKED AND GEORGE DOESNT KNOW HOW TO WRITE CHARACTERS!!!!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Lucas broke a cardinal rule of sci-fi writing

    by RogueWarrior65

    Never explain stuff. I didn't want or need to know about Meticlurians. Their existence serves to shutdown a potentially cool plot line exploring the origins of The Force. This is one reason why Lost was so successful. They didn't explain a lot of things and although the ending was akin to three inches and a droop, overall the show stimulated endless debate.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:59 a.m. CST

    PT

    by Dealer

    I agree he didn't need to explain anything. All he needed was an interesting fun story with some twist and turns to keep us guessing until the end. Anakin Obi-Wan Palpatine and Yoda that's all that was required. I have no idea how or why Anakin had to start off as a little kid that missed his mommy. I thought he took the quick and easy path? What happened to that? According to the PT it seemed like a long drawn out boring proccess that took place over 10 or 15 years. 10 or 15 years! How is that quick and easy?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 10:21 a.m. CST

    The problem with midichlorians

    by The StarWolf

    It's that, if you can measure them scientifically, then what's to stop someone from either cloning Jedi or just breeding them by selecting people with high counts and having them have kids together? Or just injecting someone with the little buggers? And that does take a lot of the fun mysticism out of the SW universe.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 10:32 a.m. CST

    OT

    by Dealer

    The first SW had about a sentence or two explaining the force, brilliant. The OT had a sentence or two about the governors taking over their region or what ever once again brilliant that's all that was needed to be said about both we got it after that.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST

    an economic system for a more civilized age

    by brightgeist

    watch the new ZEITGEIST: MOVING FORWARD, it's brilliant! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 11:14 a.m. CST

    ROFL - Anthony Daniels has aged well

    by VAwitch

    Saw him last in 2006 - and the dude has hardly aged from those pics above. But yeah; Lucas just ended up crapping on what he'd created. SW:PM is only watchable for the fighting between Maul & Quai-gon; Clones = sucks (the Clone Wars movie & series are better, which is sad); RotS is better, but still sucks vs the original trilogy. Which I still find ironic - that the Prequel trilogy vs Original = case study in how tech does NOT equal better.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 11:33 a.m. CST

    dealer-- that's your opinion

    by StarWarsRedux

    To me, the Jedi were awesome. Yeah, most of them were a rather conservative bunch, but that just made Anakin's fall feel even more sad. As much as it was his fault for taking the "quick and easy path", it was their fault for not giving him a better option, for not making him feel like he belonged. We all expected the Jedi would be these wise, benevolent father-figures based on Obi-Wan and Yoda from the OT, but it was a refreshing twist to find out that they were mostly squares who'd grown accustomed and dependent to their position in the Republic. They were less Shaolin Monks and more the freakin' Vatican, which had a delicious irony to me as a Catholic. And still, we did get one Jedi who was just as awesome as what I expected them to be, at least-- Qui-Gon Jinn. <p>Personally, I love the Senate scenes, and wish there could've been even more of them. That was one of the main things I thought about as a kid, picturing this grand political institution that's just been done away with in ANH. Seeing it put to sceen in such stunning, epic fashion in TPM and used as an action set-piece in ROTS was fantastic. Palpatine's rise was subtle enough that most audiences didn't get he was the bad guy until he revealed it to Anakin. And I'm impressed that Lucas decided to make the PT more about the HOW and WHY of the Clone Wars, rather than put the sole focus on battle after battle. AOTC and ROTS had plenty of battles between them, anyway. <p>And Yoda with a lightsaber-- it really is that awesome, in my opinion. I compare him more to Sonic the Hedgehog than Daffy Duck, but whatever. Seeing him actually fight instead of spouting off as a mere mouthpiece for war not making somebody great helps make him a better character, frankly. His words in ESB have more weight to them, now. <p>For all the bitching about midichlorians, btw, here's what they reminded me off-- "Akira". That bit where Obi-Wan is staring at the computer display of Anakin's midi-count gave me a big dose of deja vu from when the Colonel and his Scientist are testing Tetsuo, and realising he's another walking A-Bomb waiting to happen. Works for me.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 11:38 a.m. CST

    So what happens when Lucas dies?

    by Han Cholo

    Will we ever get new movies or is his final wish to never have anyone make any at all? I myself want to see someone with a vision, who grew up with the movies, as we did, make the ultimate Star Wars film, something worthy of an Academy Award. <p> However, the only way I think our collective visions could be done is if any new films are made in CGI. An example would be those Old Republic game trailers. I think those brought back the magic that we all think is missing in the newer films. Plus everyone I've talked to who's seen those trailers agree that Star Wars has never looked better. Only thing I would say is get rid of those Force special fx. <p> Anyone else agree?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Re: The Old Republic trailers

    by StarWarsRedux

    Why do all the Jedi look like they're bulked up on steroids? Are they juicing on midichlorians? And does there really need to be all that awful John Woo slow-mo during the lightsaber fighting? <p>It might turn out to be a good game, but "Star Wars", it is not, nor is it any model for a SW movie. Save that shit for the Jerry Bruckheimer movies.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    starwarsredux

    by Dealer

    I really do envy you. I enjoyed all the movies first time out in the theater except AOTC, they all have some cool moments. Qui-Gon was one but once again they killed him off, and as with Darth Maul just didn't give him enough. Why did they need to be killed off so soon? Those two were the best thing about TPM! The I can't agree with you on the medicloriens or the senate stuff. Yeah He kind of handled Palpatine kind of cool but let's be honest we all knew who he was and what he was doing. I would have loved to see some kind of twist with his character. His little back story was great in ROTS! But that brings up another question, Revenge for what? Revenge just because he was a Sith? Anyway I can't fault you for liking it it's all opinion, I would suggest you seek out that 2002 Gary Kurtz interview. It's very insightful into Lucas's shift around the time of ROTJ

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Dealer, I agree that the Sith backstory needed more

    by StarWarsRedux

    I would've been happy just to hear Qui-Gon or somebody tell little Ani about the dark days of the Sith Empire and the Rule of Two, etc. There was epic stuff in that backstory that Lucas came up with (maybe we'll see it in animated form someday, or something). <p>Should Qui-Gon have been kept alive? Maybe. If Liam had returned to play Jinn's ghost in AOTC and ROTS we'd have less reason to bitch about it. I'm glad Maul was deep-sixed, however, if for no other reason than the way he died. <p>Did "we", the SW fans know that Palpatine was the Big Bad? Yeah, sure (except for the ones who insisted he was just a clone of Sidious, or some such EU nonsense). But do you really think that everybody else in the theater, especially the younger generations of kids for whom got their first exposure to SW through TPM (and loved it), had that much of a clue? That's like expecting anybody outside of Batman fans to know what Harvey Dent was going to turn into in TDK. <p>Every Gary Kurtz interview I've read is pretty much the same. "ROTJ was gonna be dark as hell! Han was gonna die! Leia became a Queen! Luke rode off into the sunset!", yadda-yadda-yadda. Whatever shortcomings are in ROTJ are made up for by its highlights-- everything with Jabba, everything with Palpatine, and Vader's redemption. Classic stuff, that. I'll even continue to dig the rehash of the Death Star, if only for the cool effects.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST

    crumb my lad

    by DoctorZoidberg

    It sounds like you just need to move on. If something causes you so much pain and heartache it doesn't serve one well to dwell on them. Maybe therapy? Or sex with a woman?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST

    starwarsredux

    by DoctorZoidberg

    I agree with you on every single point you make. Well said, and a true fan. Picking apart a summer sci fi action film is like teasing a retarded kid. Easy to do, and doesn't show any intelligence on your part. Guys like crumb, and the other haters just jive on negativity. I prefer your take of looking for the positives and just plain enjoying the spectacle.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST

    there is a vergeance in the force

    by rhizomeman

    Prequel bashing is A OK in my book anytime, all the time. There are many problems but something not many talk about is the opening scroll. ANH: "It is a period of civil war. Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire." etc... TPM: "Turmoil has engulfed the Galactic Republic. The taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems is in dispute." etc... What is the difference?? ANH immediately throws us in to a civil war, rebels with hidden bases, and an evil empire. TPM talks about taxes - WTF? Talks about taxes - let me repeat that in case you missed it TALKS ABOUT TAXES. Good God - that sucked the energy right out of the movie from the beginning.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 12:45 p.m. CST

    starwarsredux

    by Dealer

    Once again I respect your points I really do, and sure maybe some of the really young kids didn't know who Palpatine was but the of us did. For the most part I think he was pandering to kids in other words looking for the next toy or game he could have created from the movie. I truely believe he approached the PT with that mentality. The Gary Kurtz article I read has more to do with Lucas realizing how much he could cash in on merchandising and he didn't need to spend extra money on things like story or content then of course the direction for the rest of the saga as you already know. Personally I think ROTJ is when it all goes downhill as well. Don't get me wrong I can still enjoy that one.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 12:46 p.m. CST

    there is a vergeance in the force 2

    by rhizomeman

    Ok here is my take. You can still have a young Ani, but in a different way. Opening scroll: "There is a vergeance in the force. A mysterious presence is felt across the galaxy. The Jedi are sent to solve this puzzle, but forces of evil are also searching etc... Obi-Wan is the hero who for the first part of the movie on a mission to discover the mystery of this vergeance. He battles with evil forces only to discover - a boy! The second half of the movie is him protecting Ani from the bad guys (who also want him) and bring him safely back to Coruscant.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 12:47 p.m. CST

    The prequels were the biggest cinematic disappointments ever!!!

    by DARTH VOODOO

    Sorry for those of you who continue to defend the inferior SW prequels, but the truth of the matter is not only were they horrendously bad films they were the biggest cinematic letdown of all time...That is the reason people continue to pile on more than a decade after TPM was released. An entire generation couldn't believe they had waited brethlessely for these films that disappointed them on so many levels. Our parents genertaion had the Beatles. Our generation had Star Wars. To put in in perspective these films were the equivalent of a brand new Beatles album, but John, Paul and George insisted that Ringo sing lead on all songs. Is there anything that even comes close in the history of cinema that was such a letdown to so many people? While I don't buy into that whole George Lucas raped my childhood nonsense, his prequels held none of the magic of his original classics that defined a generation. In the end the prequels were a massive disappointment and the biggest missed opporunity of all time.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    It really is time for a new Starwars directed by..

    by UltraTron

    Insert any other director you can think of besides Lucas, and written by any other person you can think of besides Lucas. Anyone. Just somebody who's seen a good movie before at some point in their life and has a good head on their shoulders.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    rhizomerman

    by Dealer

    Another excellent point. Taxation of Trade routes! Ha I forgot about that might as well start off with a disgruntled space real-estate agent complaining about capital gains.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST

    I Heart Taxation of Trade Routes

    by StarWarsRedux

    Maybe it's just because when TPM came out I was just coming into my own as a budding flag-burning liberal commie wannabe, but I really loved that the whole plot of the movie hinged on something you'd hear about on CSPAN. Granted, I wish we knew the exact particulars of the Tax Crisis (is the Trade Federation refusing to pay its taxes? are they imposing unfair taxes on the planet of Naboo?) but it was still fun as hell for me. I was laughing my ass off when it was revealed that the TF had literal representation in the Senate-- I saw it as the equivalent of hearing a filibuster from the Senator of Microsoft. All in all, part of why I love the Prequels is because they're great big political cartoons. Maybe the "Clone Wars" CGI show has been doing that a little better lately, but television has the advantage for this kind of stuff anyway, with the longer running time. <p> <p>Also, the fact that there was a coalition of bad guys called the "Trade Federation" at the same time that there were massive protests against the World Trade Organization's meeting in Seattle? Priceless. I wish I could've been there in a makeshift Jedi outfit-- trenchcoat, hoodie and lightsaber toy, shouting out against the WTO stormtroopers and battle-droids. Fight the machine, whatnot! <p> <p>I never understood the bitching about the Tax stuff, at any rate. It occupies only a small percentage of the film. The action in TPM starts a hell of a lot sooner than it does in ESB or ROTJ. Not bad, in my book. <p> <p>As for Palpatine-- I'm sure he surprised a lot of the older audience members too, Dealer, who might not've bothered to remember him as the Emperor without his hood and wrinkled face. McDiarmid was also great at playing such a two-faced character. As for Kurtz and merchandising-- if he were still a part of the ROTJ production team, I doubt he'd be complaining about that. Sour grapes start when the residual checks stop coming in.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST

    doctorzoidberg

    by Dealer

    I think Darth Voodoo puts it best at least for me. I don't have a problem with people liking the PT I do envy those that do. But it was a big deal when those movies came out and it was such a huge let down and to me they do fail on every level so much so that's it's almost unbelievable. I think Lucas got rid of anyone and everyone that did not share his vision, he truely did become what he was fighting against in the beginning, I'm refering to his early fights with the big studios.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Dealer, you have respect for PT fans

    by StarWarsRedux

    And I appreciate that. There's so little decorum nowadays, it's disgusting. <p> <p>Did Lucas get rid of all the people who disagreed with him? Maybe yes/no. He actively sought collaborators on his script, and even directing the actors for the PT, but everybody around him just said "Hey, you can do it all by yourself!". At any rate, if your first two movies are recut without your will, I think you've earned the right to go a little mad with creative power afterwards. At least he didn't pull a Kubrick and nearly give all his actors nervous breakdowns. The main problem with his direction of actors-- he's too nice a guy, maybe, and ought to get his hands dirtier.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 1:17 p.m. CST

    cartmanez: the Borg are the result of the Vger

    by UltraTron

    assimilation and joining with Decker. According to shatner's book which opens with the Borg ressurecting Kirk by implanting shit to re-animate him. The book explains all this crap in detail and since Shatner wrote it- it's mantra! It's the only trek book I've ever read but when I came upon it at the library I couldn't resist knowing what happened to Vger

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 1:39 p.m. CST

    starwarsredux

    by Dealer

    I always love a good SW debate. You're one of the few that I think really gets the PT and understands what Lucas was doing, I think I do as well but for me they just don't hold up. Yes I think he was too easy on the actors I do believe a lot of it was also mis-cast. From what I've read he did surround himself with yes-men. I don't think he was a jerk about it or ruthless I believe he just sort of did it his way. Yes I can respect that but in the end it didn't work for me. I like your comment on it being a big political cartoon I do think that sums it up for me. <p> From the way I read Kurtz's interview I don't believe him to be bitter. Maybe if he had been out screaming about Lucas or something but he has always been very discret in his criticism of Lucas.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST

    I understand what he was up to, but it's also right place/right time

    by StarWarsRedux

    as far as it goes with my interests. Beyond that I also just love how the movies are, visually. The old-world Europe look for Naboo and the art-deco cityscape of Coruscant? Just beautiful. That there was a deep, complex plot (in its comic-book kinda way) along with it was icing on the cake. It would've benefitted from a couple of people questioning his judgement at a few points, and honestly I think he was LOOKING for that himself, but had reached a point in his career where nobody wanted to do that for him. Too bad, but I'll take a flawed, but bold set of movies like these instead of generic "perfection" any day. My favorite directors tend to be comme-ci/comme-ca anyway. <p> <p>I will say that I'm often bothered by the flack Lucas gets that nobody gives to other, just as deserving filmmakers. Nolan, Jackson, Cameron et all have faults just as big as Lucas, and at times the very same ones, but there's not as much complaining over them. I like TDK, but its plot didn't make a lick of sense (same with "Inception", really). I liked FOTR, but the second two LOTR movies were bloated, had all kinds of structural and dramatic problems, and just bored me after a while (to say nothing of "King Kong"). "Avatar"-- fun, but MAN was the writing and acting bad (except for Stephen Lang, but he's always awesome).

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST

    starwarsredux

    by Dealer

    Lucas gets more flack because he hasn't ventured out past his Star Wars empire, plus he has tried to write and directed it all himself. I just don't think he should do that. A lot of the other directors don't try to write the story and screenplay usually they bring in other pros to handle these things. I know Lucas did bring in some help later but I don't believe he let them do enough. That said at the end of the day all the directors you mentioned get better performances out of there actors for the most part. Lucas consistently got terrible performances out of otherwise great actors. I do have a theory that with a few minor tweaks to the screenplay and a director that could make those actors SELL their lines we might not be having this conversation today.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST

    perhaps part of it is I don't care much about acting in general

    by StarWarsRedux

    but by and large I don't really rate the performances of TDK, LOTR and "Avatar" as being anything particularly special. LOTR coasts on all of the English accents and high-speech, TDK's pretty rote save for Ledger and maybe Oldman, and "Avatar" only really has Lang and just-maybe Saldana. The Prequel performances aren't particularly great, but there's nothing in them that's terrible, either. It's all equivalent to the acting of the OT, all things considered. <p> <p>That being said, another writer polishing the dialogue wouldn't have hurt, and somebody to better coach the actors especially. But the cries for Lucas to give up directing entirely are wrongheaded, in my opinion, as they overlook everything else he brings to the equation. Visually he's a great filmmaker, and is pretty phenomenal when it comes to concieving, staging and shooting action sequences. The only other directors I'd put in that same league are Michael Mann (whose films also have iffy acting and writing, at times) and Martin Campbell. Lucas' action is especially appreciated in this age of sloppy fights and coverage in stuff like the Bourne movies or the OTT God-Mode combo streaks of the LOTR movies (seriously, in those movies you were either killing every Orc in sight or hiding in the corner curled up into a little thumbsucking ball of hobbit). <p> <p>I'll take the iffy performances if it means sequences like the Duel of the Fates, Obi-Wan and Jango Fett's face-offs or pretty much anything from ROTS. Granted, I'd have liked to have good acting and good action, but with another director I feel like we only would've gotten the former, with pretty lazy fight choreography and cinematography.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:12 p.m. CST

    starwarsredux

    by Dealer

    Well don't take this the wrong way but I think this is the difference between us. The actors must sell thier universe to me bottom line. All other issues aside I honestly felt just about every actor in the PT was confussed not just once but threw out the movies. I just can't get past the blank looks and the dull delivery. Like they just weren't sure what or who they were talking to. None of the danger felt real and the characters could do anything without any real consequence. There is a huge difference in the performance of the actors in PT compared to any and all of the movies you mentioned. Huge difference. Like it or not what's his name sold Frodo to the audience we believed him to be Frodo and on and on. Natalie Portman did not sell her character in SW My god Sam Jackson was awful and the list goes on. I say that with all due respect.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST

    starwarsredux

    by Dealer

    The only other movie that has acting comparable to the PT would be Troll II.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Sex with a woman? Hater?

    by Crumb

    I can at least that I can look at a film with the words 'Star Wars' in front of it with some degree of objectivity. The prequels were poor excuses for cinema, by any standard. They could and should have been his materpieces given all the time, planning and resources he had behind him. Instead we get meandering crap about a load of people we care nothing about. Whilst ruining the force, lightsabres, yoda and visual effects all at the same time.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Dealer-- again, I disagree

    by StarWarsRedux

    A lot of the actors are playing rather strict, formal characters, which is part of it, but for the most part I found plenty of depth to them. Neeson was perfectly warm and playful as Qui-Gon, as was McGreggor's Obi-Wan (though he was also basing his performance off of Guiness, to an extent). McDiarmid, honestly, I don't see any flaw in whatsoever-- he knows how to chew scenery well. Most of the performances that fell flat for many were the more restrained ones-- Windu doesn't shout and yell like we expect from Jackson, Portman doesn't vamp or pixie her way through Padme as she did with other roles (I fucking hate her in "Garden State"), etc. Christensen, frankly, I've always thought of as underrated, especially in AOTC. So he's brooding and moody in an emo sort of way-- that fits. <p> <p>Most of the LOTR acting is higher calibre, yes, but it's also very phony at times. Very stage-like, very telegraphed. I can believe the characters, at times, but just as often I'm too distracted by the artificial delivery to buy into the reality at all. The PT acting ain't fancy, but it's more naturalistic (that doesn't mean it's as interesting, but whatever). <p> <p>And anyway, I'll reiterate-- for me, the action is the juice, and the PT had it in spades over stuff like LOTR. As with the acting, the action in those movies was way too telegraphed and phony for me. Lucas' documentary background paid off in his shooting of the various duels, battles and whatnot throughout.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Return of the King won Best Picture

    by elsewhere

    Just sayin.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    not the acting

    by rhizomeman

    I think the acting in the PT is only "perceived" as bad when in actuality it is on par with OT or Avatar or other sci fi action flicks. It is the shots and the movements around the actors that make them look bad. For example in AOTC when Anakin tells Mace Palpatine is a Sith Lord notice the reaction of the two and their movement (this is famously shown in the redlettermedia review). They are calmly talking and slowly walking in a medium shot. The information in the dialogue does not match the movement or the shot. CLose-ups of extreme fear and surprise - them running - talking fast and loud! Most shots of the actors are with cameras in a still shot - very little tracking shots, crane shots, panning shots, etc... no interesting framing. WHen you get this type of shooting, the acting tends to fall flat because the viewer is bored senseless but may not know why and blames it on the acting.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Rhizome

    by StarWarsRedux

    I tend to think that close-ups are waaaaaaaaaay overused in today's cinema, quite frankly. I always really like the fact that Lucas uses more restraint, longer shots and a more static, spartan approach. It allows the close-ups, tracks, pans etc. that he does use to become all the more meaningful, because he reserves them for key stuff. Mace and Anakin don't get close-ups, but Palpatine and Anakin do, because that's where it's needed. Otherwise, it'd just be redundant. Lucas framing and compositions are great throughout, it's just that he doesn't use his camera for empty tricks, which is what Jackson tends to do, frankly. <p> <p>And Elsewhere-- if we lived in a just world, then ANH would've beaten "Annie Hall" back in '77.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    starwarsredux

    by Dealer

    We should get a TV show reviewing movies together because I completely disagree with your last post. And I thought Palpatine looked retarded during his fight with Mace those were some silly faces, other than that I'll give it you he was good

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Ha, anytime, Dealer!

    by StarWarsRedux

    McDiarmid does get a little unhinged with his expressions during the fight, but I love it. It's where Palpatine finally gets to come out of the closet as a Sith Lord and breathe a sigh of relief, just let it all hang out. Even during the fight, when he starts to lose, scampering backwards light a terrified weasel as Mace backs him onto the ledge, he displays a great body language. That whole sequence is a high point in the movie and all of SW for me, personally, as the two of them duel in that long-ass window with the greenish city in the background. Perfectly epic.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    rhizoman

    by Dealer

    I call it bad acting and it is but probably a better description would be bad directing. That means camera angles and all that. The director should know where the actor should be going with his performance. And starwarsredux I'll get some producers on our show asap!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST

    By the way, I absolutely despise crane shots

    by StarWarsRedux

    Something I've liked about the SW films is that they mostly stick to camera angles and movements that jive with some kind of documentary shooting. Not that it means all shakycam verite BS, but that everything looks like it was shot on location with cameras discretely put into place, instead of walls being demolished or moved around just to accomadate a crane, a dolly or what have you. <p> <p>Anyway, the Mace/Anakin revelation bit was fine to me, and I quite liked how Lucas set it in a darkened hangar-bay, evoking a slight 70's conspiracy-paranoia feel. One flaw of ROTS I'll admit is that he doesn't shoot anything on location through the film, which would've helped in certain moments. Something I love about TPM and AOTC is how much of them were filmed in actual physical locations, far more than even in the OT. All those picturesque Italian and Spanish palaces and courtyards added a really wonderful flavor. Granted, I doubt you could've just shot the Mace/Anakin scene in a Deep Throat-style parking garage, but it would've been kinda cool. It's moments like those that bring back the Lucas who made "THX 1138" in power-plants and BART tunnels, the one who really blows today's sci-fi/fantasy filmmakers out of the water.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST

    And Dealer

    by StarWarsRedux

    If I had a decent DV camera, I'd almost suggest we actually do something online. Stranger things have happened.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST

    I would go with TPM over AOTC.

    by rbatty024

    Every talks about how terrible TPM is and how at least AOTC is a step up, but I actually think that AOTC is even worst than the shitty first prequel. I mean, don't get me wrong, they're both terrible, but at least in the first film you have a kick ass lightsaber fight and a well put together pod race. In the second one those love scenes are even more infuriating than Jar Jar, simply because they're more integral to the story. You might be able to ignore Jar Jar in TPM but there's no way you can ignore that sand dialogue, or Anakin falling off of that butt monster.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 4:58 p.m. CST

    The Hills Are Alive...!

    by StarWarsRedux

    Ah, Anakin and Padme's romance in AOTC. I fuckin' love it. There's an absurdist flavor to their picnic smalltalk of democracy and dictatorships. People laughed at it and called it "The Sound of Music" in space, but that's exactly the point. Another republic on the brink of fascism, another strained, quaint love story with a strict formal statesperson and a free-spirited member of a religious cloister. The naive lovey-dovey talk of sand, and burning desire, the butt-monster rodeo-- in a lot of ways, it's the best, most surreal depiction of courtly love on screen, in a sci-fi/fantasy effort at least. And all of it in Italy, too-- the countryside of Dante and Beatrice, of Paolo and Francesca.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST

    by MikeTheSpike

    I've been catching a bit of that CGI Clone Wars show, and it's actually not bad at all. I mean, it's not really an era I want to delve too much into, but since I have no choice in the matter it's pretty decent. I was disappointed by the prequels as much as the next guy, but I look forward to watching some more of the cartoon.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:49 p.m. CST

    starwarsredux

    by Dealer

    Everything you said about the romance is fine the problem is the actors DO NOT SELL IT! They're practically read the lines off cue cards. I know both of them are good actors but they have no chemistry together. So probably again they were not given good direction. Lucas probably gave it one take and said great let's move on! That's my guess at least because that's the way it comes across. The problem I see is, you can rationalize it and I can read it, and think ok he might have a point but once the scene is played out on screen it just doesn't work. Now, the guy that played uncle Owens Dad, the elder Lars, that guy was amazing. Lucas needed everyone to be on that level. He sold me his part he nailed it! I'm not kidding either watch his performance again, he's old school good.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Lord of the Rings was better cinema than any SW.

    by lochkray

    It was better acted, the dialogue was better, the characters were better, the epic sweep was more impressive, the motivations and plots were far more well structured....and nine times out of ten, I would watch any Star Wars movie over any of the Rings movies. I just like my stupid fun movies to be stupid fun. I don't need fantasy to take itself too seriously.

  • ...amazing edit over the current 'Special Edition' any day of the week. The tremendous space battle he crafted was anything but 'phony', and that goes for the many, many other enhancements too. And wait till everyone see what he's done with ESB:Revisited too, when it comes out later this year. Still, I suppose I shouldn't expect someone who can't even spell 'people' correctly to have a clue anyway.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:02 p.m. CST

    lochkray

    by elsewhere

    So for all of the Lord of the Rings superior qualities, you'd still rather watch the prequels? Did I read that right?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Dealer, I can split the difference, maybe

    by StarWarsRedux

    I have no problem with Hayden, at all. He sells his part fine, even the more awkwardly scripted moments. In fact, he does awkward surprisingly well-- that fireplace confession may seem a little formal, due to the whole courtly romance thing that they're playing with, but he does it as well as anybody could, I think. He invests a lot of pent up vulnerability, a lot of angst and frustration that isn't necessarily very complex, but perfect for what it is. The look on his face at Shmi's death or when he opens up about what he did to the Sand People is harrowing. I think he did a great job. <p> <p>Portman, however? You could say she phoned it in, more or less. Lucas can't really be faulted for casting her in the first place, as she did some fine work in her early roles, and has gone on to do some great stuff since. Unfortunately, he caught her in between her child and adult-star phases, the awkward teenage phase, where she just wasn't as good, and was more or less stuck with her. She didn't match the investment Hayden had with his role. She's by no means a train-wreck, but she could've injected far more into the role. Lucas should've pushed her more, arguably, but he was probably more concerned with concentrating on Anakin, and expected her to conduct herself as a professional and do more of the heavy-lifting herself (and I don't blame him, either-- a director doesn't need to hand-hold their actors). The chemistry problems are more on her end, than his. <p> <p>Still, awkward as it is, I buy their romance more than any number of other ones in movies from around the same time. I didn't buy Tobey and Kirsten in the "Spider-Man" movies, and didn't really take Viggo and Liv Tyler too seriously in the LOTR movies (she's just too one-note ethereal to be anything other than a cardboard cut-out of a love-interest). I'll take iffy-but-genuine acting over superficially appealing performances, personally.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Seriously people...

    by Out of your element

    I can't believe how anyone who loves cinema, SW fan or not, could love truly anything about the prequels. They were sooo artificial. And starwarsredux, are you fucking high. You said that PT and Clones used more "locations" than the originals? More than half the movie was shit-crap greenscreen. And who cares if it was shot in Spain, THE SCRIPT STILL SUCKED. Get a fucking lobotomy, man. Watch these reviews:http://www.redlettermedia.com/plinkett.html

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:03 p.m. CST

    So, I'd need a lobotomy to think that the PT sucked?

    by StarWarsRedux

    That explains everything!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Hmmm...

    by Literarywanderer

    And most people wonder why I prefer the novel, "Proxies of Fate." At least it makes sense and lacks fanboy noise.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 8:43 p.m. CST

    starwarsredux

    by Dealer

    I'm not really big on Spider-man so I'm not one to comment on that I guess it was OK, I will tell you Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher had AMAZING chemistry. I totally buy their romance, especially in ESB. That's the kind of magic I want to see on screen. I guess it's hard for me to overlook the flaws in these movies because they make an enormous amount of money, when it's big money like that you don't get to make excuses in my opinion. You seem like you genuinely do love the PT and I respect that and I do envy that but the bottom line for me is they just don't do it for me. Also I really do think you get what Lucas was trying to pull off. Sorry I could comment on more of your points but it's hard to write on this little iPhone.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Dealer

    by StarWarsRedux

    Overlooking the fact that I'm not a big fan of the Han/Leia romance anymore (it's nice, but the least interesting element of ESB to me-- the hook for all the grown-ups in the audience who can't relate to Luke's mythic journey), there's a fundamentally different kind of story being told with Ani/Padme's romance. Han and Leia are doing a much more familiar kind of love story to movie audiences, and particularly American ones, in their bickering-partners thing. It's very Bogey & Bacall, Grant & Hepburn, that sort of thing. It's the default romantic mode where you have two people who fight all the time before admitting their love for one another-- a very modern, urban kind of romantic tradition, where people are rivals and competitors before they turn to lovers. <p> <p>Anakin and Padme, however? They're star cross'd lovers, man. Courtly love in the most old-fashioned sense, wherein it actually takes place in a court of royal or political power. The conflicts they face on the way to love aren't internal, as they are in Han/Leia's case, but external-- the Jedi code, the Senate professionalism, the looming responsibility of war. He's a knight torn between his chivalry and personal desires, and she's a lady tempted by forbidden romance. Of course it's gonna come off as a little stale, because all the ideas it plays with are stale, to begin with. It's more old-fashioned than the ESB love story, but I find it a bit more interesting on its own merit. <p> <p>As I've said elsewhere, it's at least a better version of Tristan and Isolde than "Tristan & Isolde" was.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 9:21 p.m. CST

    And I appreciate the difference of opinion, man

    by StarWarsRedux

    I dig the PT, you don't. You're polite and cool enough about your issues, so it's all good. Sometimes you're just on a movie's wavelength, and majority opinion isn't going to sway you. I also happen to be a big fan of "Heaven's Gate", so I'm used to the feeling. <p> <p>I once tried to comment here with my PSP, but it didn't go well.

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 10:06 p.m. CST

    starwarsredux

    by Dealer

    I will see you at the movies!

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Why is seethreepio wearing a human head?

    by illegal alien vs sexual predator

    Why?

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 11:47 p.m. CST

    I wanted to see a nerd herder in the prequels.

    by Tikidonkeypunch

  • Jan. 26, 2011, 11:47 p.m. CST

    I wanted to see a nerd herder in the prequels.

    by Tikidonkeypunch

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 12:57 a.m. CST

    um

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    I think you mean NERF herder. *adjusts glasses*

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 6:21 a.m. CST

    starwarsredux

    by elsewhere

    You're making excuses. Anakin and Padme's romance came across stale because of the horrible writing and equally horrible delivery, but I know I'm not going to convince you. Cheers.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Ani/Padme Romance is Equal to Han/Leia's

    by DarfurOnTheRocks2

    A lot of the criticisms leveled at the Prequels carry over to the OT..... That is why I find is humorous when people level talk about how the acting was so bad in the PT while glossing over Hamill's wooden acting.... That said, I love SW, all 6 movies.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Elsewhere

    by lochkray

    Yup, I'd watch a prequel trilogy movie over a Lord of the Rings, on pretty much any lazy Saturday afternoon. I'm just that stupid. I like them. I can't fully argue against all the constant bitching they take, because every arguement against them is valid (the true complaints about acting, writing, cornyness, etc;, not just the meaningless troll-drek like, "worst movie ever", "raped my childhood", "complete shit fest"). I just find them a whole-lotta fun. I enjoy the LOTR movies, and completely appreciate the acomplishment that they are, but there's so many drawn out subplots and scenes that I have no interest in, that when I want to go to a film fantasyland, I'll take the Galaxy Far Far Away over Middle Earth - more often than not.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 11:19 a.m. CST

    You're right, Elsewhere

    by StarWarsRedux

    You're not going to convince me. <p> <p>Han/Leia doesn't do anything for me because it's so damn obvious and pre-ordained. Just another macho hunk putting the moves on another stubborn ice-princess. They're the jock and the cheerleader becoming king and queen of the prom-- big whoop. <p> <p>Ani/Padme carries a little more weight for me because it's so damn weird. He's got a slightly creepy, obsessive stalker vibe to him, and she's got a frustrated, immature victorian doll vibe to her. It's like seeing the overachieving girl who runs the debate club hooking up with that trenchcoat wearing psycho who winds up shooting up the school. They're not grown-ups having an adult love affair-- just kids playing house. It works in the same way that James Hurley and Laura Palmer did on "Twin Peaks".

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 11:43 a.m. CST

    And Lochkray

    by StarWarsRedux

    Those LOTR subplots are what kills it for me, too. If TTT and ROTK were mostly Frodo, Sam & Gollum about the business of destroying the Ring, it'd be okay. But instead they basically become supporting characters in the ongoing saga of Aragorn, Gimli and the invincible Legolas as they unite the kingdoms of boring-ass humans. With special the stoner hobbits and goddamn talking trees as special guest stars, and Gandalf after a pretty lame makeover.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST

    darfurontjerocks 2

    by Dealer

    One of the biggest differences between the PT and the OT was inspired casting, say what you want about Mark Hamill's acting he was Luke Skywalker. They had a lot more ridding on it, they couldn't afford to just coast through casting they knew they had to get it right and they did. I think we all know they half assed a lot of the PT and it shows, Ive read stories about Lucas's 'it's good enough' attitude while making the movies. It's all about the bottom lime for him.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Also...

    by Dealer

    Star Wars wouldn't be what it is today if Ford Hamill and Fischer failed to sell their characters, I don't have to remind anyone how much of a phenomenon Star Wars was when it first hit theaters, you don't achieve that level unless you really hit the notes perfect. Those actors made the roles, they resonated with people in a way that I can never fully explain. It's lightning in a bottle. Unfortunately the PT never had a chance, yes they are title episode 1 2 & 3 but the fact is they are the 4th 5th and 6th movies in a money making franchise. On a side note I would love to see Lucas direct something other than Star Wars. Let's see what he could really do today with a fresh story.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Dealer

    by StarWarsRedux

    The big thing with the casting of the OT was all the unknowns. Actors without an established rep are hungry, and will invest themselves wholly for a good performance. Actors who are already established aren't going to be as prone to invest themselves, on the other hand, and if they don't have a strong backbone of professional experience, they won't get the job done quite as well, no matter what you might think from their rep. <p> <p>Hayden was an unknown, and frankly I think he nailed Anakin as he was written. Portman was a known, and didn't have the same professionalism as guys like Ewan, Liam or Ian (for obvious reasons-- she was a damn teenager), and she faltered. Samuel L. is also a known, and has a good professional background, but seemed to have been cast for no other reason than he really wanted to be in a "Star Wars" movie (and who can blame him?). <p> <p>Say what you will about the "good enough" attitude, but at the end of the day that's what it was-- no more, and certainly no less. Hayden was great, Portman was iffy, but it worked for their purposefully awkward romance. It's a different dynamic than the buddy-team formula of the OT. Even if the acting had been pitch-perfect, it would've weirded everybody out.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST

    And I agree on one point

    by StarWarsRedux

    I too would love to see Lucas direct new material. I'm excited for "Red Tails", which by many accounts he co-directed with Anthony Hemingway, but beyond that I'd really like to see him do some new, fresh material.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Breaking down the shitting on a woman's chest comparison

    by LookWhosTalkbackingNow

    it really makes you wonder about people. Really, making a few comments about a film and then saying that you're going to stop because you recognize it is tired is nothing like shitting on someone's chest and then saying you didn't want to do that. Let's break this down. If you shit on a woman's chest during sexual intercourse, one would imagine that, as an extension of the sexual intercourse itself, any act allowed to be committed in the first place without protest would certainly be something all parties involved agreed upon. In the case of this post, the critique of the prequel films was completely unsolicited and therefore warranted some sort of an apology. The two situations are nothing alike unless the shitting on the chest was completely forced.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    starwarsredux

    by Dealer

    See that's my point the unknowns usually do so much better, the problem is the director or studio would have to court these new comers and I'm sure that's not cheap and who's got the time. I really think he should have turned the whole proccess over to some young hungry director and let him rum with it but of course that's extra money and effort but what a great way to pass the torch on as a film maker and story teller. I'm guessing you'll be buying the entire saga on bluray?

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Disagree with you entirely on a younger director

    by StarWarsRedux

    First of all, I don't really see any genuine potential in whatever crop was around then to choose from. Jackson, Nolan, Abrams and whoever else are all overrated in my opinion, especially when it comes to action & visual imagination, which is the real backbone of SW. I shudder to think of what this new generation of reboot directors would've done with Lucas' universe. All he needed was a co-director to work with the actors, and things would've been fine. Too bad he couldn't find anyone willing. <p> <p>Aside from the Jedi, rounding out the cast with unknowns all around would've sufficed in a more enthusiastic set of performances. Portman was the weak link, that much is clear, but even that wasn't enough to break the chain, really. It strained, but not so much as people like to whine about. <p> <p>Depends. There's likely to be all sorts of bells & whistles of deleted scenes, new Special Edition tweaks and what have you, so I'll buy it for those things. If the movies are the same as the previous DVD releases, I'll pass for now, just 'cause I don't have an HDTV.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 3:58 p.m. CST

    starwarsredux

    by Dealer

    No no none of those guys! Someone like Del Torro. Pans Laberynth type of stuff. Once again Lucas knows what people want, so you'll be able to buy the OT bluray or PT but the only way to get the 3 extra discs you'll need to buy the complete saga.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Dealer, I like Del Toro quite a bit...

    by StarWarsRedux

    ...but he'd be a completely wrong fit. I wasn't even convinced he'd have been right for "The Hobbit", but at least it's more in the fantasy/horror genre he's proven himself great in. He's certainly better at action than Jackson or Nolan, but I still think he's leagues behind Lucas. "Hellboy" and "Blade 2" showed he has potential to do his own epic series someday, but I don't think it'd be good for him to really inherit anything from another filmmaker, both for the series in question and himself. <p> <p>If I had to pick a director who could've handled the PT both in terms of acting and action, the only person I could say is Martin Campbell, and that's a heavily stressed maybe. He's proven himself very talented on the Bond and Zorro pictures, has a great way with set-pieces and performers, and even worked with the same fight/fencing choreographer that Lucas used. That being said, would I really want to see him used as a journeyman director, with Lucas over his shoulder (you know that's what it would've turned into, given him and Marquand on ROTJ)? Having a co-chair for the actors would've been good, but having a middleman between Lucas and his film just wasn't necessary anymore. Frankly, I don't think it ever was needed to begin with, but whatever. <p> <p>I'll probably be buying it. At least I didn't have to wait years and years for the movies to be released in the right damn aspect ratio as I did with the blu-ray of "Apocalypse Now".

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 4:34 p.m. CST

    starwarsredux

    by Dealer

    It's hard to argue I'm pretty convinced anyone would be better than Lucas. American Graffiti THX Then got lucky with Star Wars. Empire (the best one) he didn't direct Jedi he hired a yes man Then for the most part he's done, that's it! I'm not forgetting the PT but that's what I'm questioning. For someone so popular there's not much there except Star Wars

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Dealer

    by StarWarsRedux

    Lucas' body of work is small, yes. But it's worth a hell of a lot more than many more prolific filmmakers. Terrence Malick has only directed four features so far, with one more on the way, and he's seen as some kind of cinematic god-king. Laughton only ever made one film, and people STILL won't shut up about him. My (least) favorite case would probably be Michael Cimino-- he burned out after "Heaven's Gate" with only two movies prior, and never really recovered. He's still one of my favorite directors, and HG my second favorite film. <p> <p>Between THX and ROTS, I don't have any reservations in calling Lucas a great filmmaker. At the very least, I wouldn't have wanted anybody else calling the shots on the PT, for good or ill. The acting would've been better with somebody else, maybe, but everything else would've been mediocre.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Dealer

    by lochkray

    Yeah, you kinda mention American Graffitti in as a kind-of non event. A.G. was a phenominal groundbreaking movie in its time. More so than even Star Wars, it showed off the talents of a young George Lucas as a director. He's never been an actor's director, but the man was innovative and one of the main contributors to how movies are made today. Today, I realize, it might register as a "so what" nostalgic movie, but I really reccomend researching the movie to learn of its contribution to modern filmmaking. Oh, and THX was pretentous crap - but I respect the work that went into it. Visually groundbreaking (not just backgrounds, effects, etc; but in terms of editing, it's very interesting). Anyway, just my opinion.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Lochkray

    by Dealer

    I didn't mean to dismiss it like that. I know it was an important movie. I guess my point is he had Star Wars and American Graffiti. That's really it, but don't get me wrong I love what he has contributed I just can't give a director to much praise when his strong point is not the actor. That's kind of a big deal if you're making a movie. That's what most people including me but obviously not everyone relate to. That's like a hit song that has a terrible lead vocal, well sure it's a hit song its got a great beat and incredible lyrics but the producer just can't get the lead vocalist to sing in key. Well maybe I can appreciate the song and the music but most everyone else won't get it because they can't relate to an out of key lead vocal. I'm just saying that a great director needs to be able to do it all including and especially getting good performances out of the actors.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Both of You

    by StarWarsRedux

    A director needs to pay attention to the actors, but it doesn't need to be their highest priority. We're brainwashed into that by the whole narrative domination of the medium, how it's always used as a storytelling vehicle exclusively for entertainment. That's all well and good, but beyond that there's the deeper visual and kinetic aspects of cinema that have to be accounted for, and more often than not it's those aspects which are written off when it comes to appreciating Lucas' work. I'd rather have a poorly acted, but visually brilliant "Star Wars" film than one with great performances but that looks mediocre. The action and the cinematography are the key to the SW experience-- the acting doesn't even count high enough to be secondary, taking a back seat to pretty much everything else. <p> <p>Oh, and it may be "pretentious crap", but THX is my all-time favorite film.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 6:45 p.m. CST

    And Dealer-- your great-song-with-shit-vocals metaphor...

    by StarWarsRedux

    ...has Bob Dylan ever really carried a tune, in all honesty?

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 6:51 p.m. CST

    starwarsredux

    by Dealer

    The magic of the OT trilogy was how those characters captured the minds of so many people all over the world. I still believe that if you don't even care enough about making the characters 'real' then you've lost me. I'm am the complete opposite I would rather have characters that I can believe rather than a visually stunny backdrop. If your telling a story about animals or whatever then I see your point but were talking about Star Wars. BTW in AOTC what is going on when they are chasing the Shape shifter and go through that electro field thing an Obi Wan says that was good. What happened in that scene? I never understood why or what that had to do with anything. Was that just to look good?

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 7 p.m. CST

    The whole "magic of the characters" bit is nice, but even in the OT

    by StarWarsRedux

    it was shallow, just as it always is in these genre pastiches. They're not characters so much as they are archetypes, the same as all those smug fedora-wearing hipsters in Godard's noir-riffs. They're designed as empty vessels that the audience can project their feelings onto. Is it good when the actor can inject something of their own? Yeah, but not necessary. Even when someone like Portman or Fischer phoned it in (she did it plenty herself), the system works. <p> <p>And yeah, it really is more about the visuals.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 8:11 p.m. CST

    starwarsredux

    by Dealer

    I would have to say it's a necessity, hollow empty vessel is what we got with the PT. It doesn't work. The OT wasn't a hallow empty vessel it wouldn't of became the success it was if it wa hallow. And honestly the entire PT visually speaking doesn't impress me. It looks fake he would have been better off making the entire thing a cartoon. I never understood that chase scene that I mentioned before, that's the kind of thing that makes the whole thing a cartoon. No consequences for actions.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Starwarsredux

    by Dealer

    Bob Dylans for people like you! I apreciate Bob but I don't listen to him much. I've seen him a few times and he can be awful live. Also keep in mind other singers have made his music big big hits. Also he's kept after it continuing to make music decade after decade, no one can blame him for doing it for the money at least not his first 30 years. He is a great example though.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Dealer

    by StarWarsRedux

    The OT's success was partly due to the actors, but not primarily. They made the most of the simple, folksy story they were given and grounded much of what was going on, but even with other performers in the roles I'm certain the mythic sci-fi, the verite spirit, the cool effects etc. would've been enough to make it just as much of a blockbuster. This isn't "Casablanca" where the writers, directors and producers all thought they were making just another B piece of crapola and the casting of Bogey instead of Ronald Reagan really did make all the difference-- any time you've got a determined filmmaker at the helm pushing their vision through the system, you're going to get something worth seeing. <p> <p>Take, say, the "Matrix" movies. They basically have all the same hollow archetype performances throughout, with a couple of exceptions (Fishburne, the ladies who played the Oracle, Weaving). The writing and acting's all kinda wooden, frankly moreso than anything in the PT. And yet, they succeeded pretty damn well, with only the R rating as much of an obstacle to it winning the same kind of blockbuster classic status as Lucas' work. To me, it's proof that you don't need perfect performances to connect with audiences. <p> <p>Furthermore, even with good performances, things can go terribly wrong. Terry Gilliam was filming "Jabberwocky" at Elstree at the same time that "Star Wars" was shooting, and everyone involved thought the safe money was on the former Python. And hey, it's a decent flick-- funny, cool visuals, and great comic performances. However, nobody went to see it. <p> <p>The "power-coupling" moment (which is during a big, lovely nod to "Blade Runner" with the fiery oil-refinery field) is pretty simple-- Zam shoots the coupling so they'll create the purple lightning arc after she flies through, Anakin doesn't swerve to avoid it, and the Jedi are slowed down. It's a quick booby-trap moment that shows off how undisciplined li'l Ani is. <p> <p>George Lucas is our very own cinematic Bob Dylan. He's good at the important stuff (visuals, action, story / lyrics & basic music) but not so much at the little things (actors, dialogue / singing, anything more complicated than a few chords on a guitar or a harmonica). Most people like both, but they've still got plenty of ardent detractors who never forgave them for going electric (or digital).

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Starwarsredux

    by Dealer

    Well let's see George make about 10 more movies then he can be the Bob Dylan of film. And I can't agree that dialogue and actors are the 'small things' and I still don't think he's great at the visuals yes he's down some good stuff but the PT looks fake. His story possible could have been saved if he had the right cast, some actors with the right charisma. And if he was a great story teller he would have for artistic reasons done more with his talent, more movies! Didn't he come up with the last Indiana Jones movie? That whole thing was a mess. What Lucas is is a great Buisness man. I can't fault him for that, I respect it but he got lucky with Star Wars and ran with it.

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Dealer

    by StarWarsRedux

    If he's the Dylan of film, at least we skipped the worst periods of his work. He's prolific, but most of his stuff past "Highway 61" or "Blonde on Blonde" really isn't necessary. <p> <p>Yeah, actors & dialogue is secondary. They're what you need of you want a narrative film, but even so you can get by on a bare minimum (which the PT exceeds, at least). I love Fritz Lang's movies, both silent and sound, but even there the people and what they say can be fairly wooden. Frankly I've never thought the PT visuals were anything less than gorgeous, and never any more artificial than the OT (at least we didn't have matte boxes-- perhaps we're just conditioned to "buy" old effects more than CGI, because it's what we were raised with, younger audiences aren't as likely to have the same problem). One of the things I love about the PT visuals is how spartan they are in a lot of ways-- Lucas doesn't rely on slow-motion, bleachy-lighting, unmotivated camera movement or all the same lazy tricks that Jackson used in LOTR (it's kinda disgusting how many of those cheap gimmicks he relied on), and conducts things pretty basically while shooting and cutting things together into something that's almost cubist. He keeps things sensical while allowing it to be a little abstract. It's not TOO restrained, like Nolan is, or too hectic, like Greengrass. He also plays a lot with the imagery and icons of other stuff like Godard or Tarantino (AOTC is especially full of this), so I find plenty to admire. <p> <p>I wish he'd do more movies, too. The world could use another couple THX's out there. And for the record, I really dug the whole "Chariots of the Gods" story of "Crystal Skull". Would've been better if they'd done it back in the 90's when Lucas pitched it to Spielberg & Ford, especially because in '98 they could've timed it with the 50th anniversary of Roswell. <p> <p>Really, at this point I fear I'm just repeating arguments I've made for the Prequels before. Maybe I'll just post links to the stuff I've written about TPM and AOTC just to save us all from pushing this verbal tennis any longer than it merits (though it is enjoyable).

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Starwarsredux

    by Dealer

    It was a good run I'll be back in a year! You made some great points I appreciate that and not commenting on my iPhone writing. Like I said before everything you said makes sense on paper but for me it does not hold up in repeat viewings. I know you and a lot of people love those movies and I wish y'all happy viewing!

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Hey, it's all good.

    by StarWarsRedux

    Google "Wonders in the Dark" sometime and catch me on the flipside, daddyo.