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Could Darren Aronofsky make the next BATMAN film after the Nolan Trilogy?
Hey folks, Harry here... in my Hospital bed, watching the misery that is the Golden Globes... BEE GEES Christian Bale just won for THE FIGHTER - and as I was watching this, I got an email with the following:
Just seen this interview with Darren Aronofsky pop up on Google News. He mentions that his old script is being made in to a comic, before letting slip that "we're going to do a comic book version first and see what happens...".
Very interesting. The full quote -CoF: Speaking of which, you’ve worked in the comic-book medium before, with your adaptation of The Fountain (2006), and the tie-in book to Pi. Do you ever feel like realising your vision of something like the Batman story that you were working on as a comic book?
DA: Well, we’re actually doing one. It hasn’t really been announced, I don’t know if I should give you the scoop! But we’re getting there. We’re doing a comic book of a script that’s really hard to make and we’re going to do a comic version first and see what happens…
Thanks,Joanna
That's cool. For one, we'd get to finally see what Aronofsky's vision for BATMAN would be, at least in comic form, but then... the fact that Darren is going to blow everyone's minds with his WOLVERINE, he'll have the mega-success (yes, I believe in Aronofsky this much) that there could very well be a possibility of him tacking BATMAN.... At least, that's pretty much what he's hinting at here. Excuse me, it's time for more pain medicine... damn this smarts... Actually, it's pretty insane to be on pain meds talking about Aronofsky... but there's no way I could type if I weren't... but I'm so gonna get in that Red Dress!
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Could Aronofsky end up doing BATMAN after Nolan's run? Read...
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I wonder if Aronofsky carry on the 'Nolanverse' Batman?
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I could imagine the twisty emotions that he could pull out of the characters and cast on the screen. I always wanted Fincher too. Ever since he did Se7en.
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Don't get me wrong; I have loved Nolan's Batman movies and personally consider them to be the best of all of them. But after his trilogy, with his more grounded approach, perhaps the best way to tackle future Batman films is to take it in a totally new and original direction. I'll certainly be checking out the comic when it arrives.
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I'm a big Nolan fan. Not so much a fan of Aronofsky. But I haven't seen him tackle a superhero movie yet. If Wolverine turns out to be great, then maybe I'll be more excited.
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The Fountain was a great version in its own right while giving you a strong impression of what the movie would have been like origionally. Its really exciting just to know his vision of Batman Yeat One will be commited to some form or medium...<p>i don't get how this could mean Aronofsky is vying for the next Batman movie but if he does/is then for the love of God i have no problem with that...it would be perculiar what with his Year One idea being something different from Nolans orgion, but never that heh...Aronofsky following up Nolan would be awesome.
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...I was only thinking last night that he would be the ideal candidate to direct a Sandman film. God knows who you could cast as Dream though. Nobody instantly springs to mind for me anyway.
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Aronofsky WILL blow our minds with Wolverine...oh yes, he will....
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Would this be another reboot of Batman or a stand alone story in the Batman universe like "The Killing Joke" comic? It's one of the few Batman comics I've ever read. Could this adaptation still carry over the Nolan-verse characters in a new storyline?
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I enjoyed watching Tobey Maguire in Spiderman 1 and 2. And I enjoyed watching Christian Bale in Batman 1 and 2. But I am ready for a new take on both of them. Just like Spiderman 3 was a complete cluster, I get the feeling that the next Batman will be just boring. I'm ready for some more visual flair to batman that I think Aronofsky might bring. Also, Harry, the nurses won't let me come to your room. Please give me a call to let me know how you're doing. Your brother, Larry
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You think that jokes pretty solid, aye Harry? In combination with your Twitter, this is the 3rd time? 4th time you're making it? It's barely worth a "giggle." I'm just busting your bawls. Bale looks more how I'd imagine Jesus looking. Man, I hope he's Jesus for realz.
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BUT I WANT A SHITLOAD OF BATMAN CARTOONS!!!! ALL CAPS!!!
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Thanks for ruining Christian Bale winning, I'm on the west coast waiting for the 8pm feed. That was really uncool. And yeah, get better and all that.
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Should he get the job of following Nolan, I can only hope we won't get a new origin story. I'm with you in wanting a brand new, original film that can be unique and original in it's own right. It doesn't have to follow on in Nolan's universe - if Aronofsky can find a good way to create a hyper-reality version of Batman (without it descending into gothic, camp or cheesy territory) then I'm all for seeing that.
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Most of his big projects like this fall through though, but if Wolverine can prove his earning potential to the suits we could hopefully see Nolan have his ass handed to him.
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I don't see how any other director could "hand his ass to him" when there is nothing wrong with what he has done with Batman (so far). I've been reading the comics for 20 years since I was 7 years old and Nolan's version of the character is by far my on-screen favourite. I absolutely believe that other directors could also do amazing things with Batman. I'm not one to worship at the feet of a director just because he makes great films; it's his JOB to make great films, not shit ones!! :P
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He has the looks, the talent, just a little short. Then again, so was Keaton so I thinq he has a great shot after Christian steps down.
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am I reading that correctly?
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He cannot direct! He makes films that look good on the surface, but are pure shit. The guy has no clue of what works on the screen and what doesn't. He has some of the greatest unintentionally funny moments in film. Possessed fridge, cum spewing tree of life, Portman turning into a Black Swan, his attempt at action in The Fountain. Please say it ain't so.
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Not exactly, no. His original idea for a Batman movie involved his personal adaptation of the Frank Miller comic "Batman: Year One", which IS an origin story. But we don't have any real information on the comic he's currently working with DC on, so there's no way to know if it's an origin tale or not. But as I've said before, I hope not. If he is given the chance to make a film of it, I want it to be a fresh new story with a unique take on the character as opposed to "This is how I think Batman started".
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It sounds like he might be talking about a different project. A script that could be expensive and a hard sell to the masses. Setting an original idea up as a comic first to generate awareness isn't unusual these days. As much as I would love to see Aronofsky's version of Batman I really can't see him playing in that sandbox anytime soon.
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and give Kevin Conroy steriods and de age him
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If all we're going to get from Hollywood is reboot after reboot after reboot of comic book properties until the end of time itself, just put me out of my misery.
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I really don't need to see an Aronofsky Batman and wouldn't bother. The last thing I want is beautifully visualized but ham-fisted Batman that never does anything but wallow in an icy, terrorizing exploration of self- destruction, only to ultimately leave me feeling as if there's no point to life.
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When you actually read the quote, all Aronofsky says is that he's working on a comic book based on a screenplay. Harry may have got us muttering about the wrong thing here. But then he is hopped up on painkillers, so I guess it's understandable :P
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before he did a Batman movie? The truth is we didn't know Nolan would be a great Batman movie director until after he made them. In other words, give Darren a chance, haters.
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What about a pentalogy? Or an octalogy? When is Star Trek finally going to get re-rebooted?
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I agree with darth_tarantino. Whether you are a personal fan of Nolan or not, I don't know how anyone could hand his ass to him after the mammoth success (commercial and critical) of his two Batman movies. I mean, Dark Knight was up for best picture at the Oscars, and Heath Ledger won for best actor; not to mention that it has a 94% on Rotten Tomatoes. Dark Knight is also the third highest earning movie of all-time, for chrissakes. How is anyone going to hand his ass to him on a Batman movie? I don't care how much you like Aronofsky, he has some pretty big shoes to fill.
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He's talking about doing a comic of a script, not a script of a comic. You all fail at reading comprehension.
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Jan. 16, 2011, 7:51 p.m. CST
I THOUGHT CHRISTOPHER NOLAN DIDN'T WANT ANYONE CONTINUING HIS UNIVERSE
by Meadowe
He's said in interviews that he didn't want to keep expanding this universe (in his words, like a "balloon"), and one of the things he liked about the story presented to him by goyer was that it ended their universe. I'm sure someone else could still continue it, but I think nolan's aim was that the next person did their own thing and didn't capitalize on the work he, Heath, Christian, Cillian, Liam and everyone else has done.
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It's the whole fucking film! And I mean that in a good way. <br><br> I've seen the Fountain twice and I enjoyed it both times. Maybe before you attempt to shit on it you should read about the troubled production -- it's amazing he got it made at all, and I don't remember this 'cum' you speak of but there was probably going to be a cooler version of it before they shut the film down and destroyed all the original sets. <br><br> I also don't remember the 'action' specifically so I can't comment on it to agree or disagree with you. But I'll say this: even if Aronofsky is provably a crappy 'action director' he can't be any worse than Nolan. Yeah, I said it. There isn't a single good action scene in either of his Batman movies except the bank heist in DARK KNIGHT and honestly everybody blew that way the fuck out of proportion, HEAT, INSIDE MAN, and THE TOWN all blow it out of the water in terms of heist scenes/mechanics.<br><br>JGL flying around in Inception was pretty cool but I've never seen a gunfight, a brawl, or a car chase from Nolan that was the least bit inventive or enthralling.
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All I meant by my comment to bottombrick is that directing is not a case of one-upmanship; it's about a continuing level of quality. Aronofsky (or whoever takes over the franchise after Nolan) doesn't have to be better than Nolan, just of the same calibre. And nerd rage is right that most of us fans of the comics never in a million years would've pegged Nolan as someone who could deliver quality Batman flicks. But he did and that's great, I live in hope that other directors can do the same.
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...let us FIRST read his story/script. Bring on the sequential art.
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and that could be a wonderful thing.
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Jan. 16, 2011, 7:57 p.m. CST
Aronofskyized Year One? Hell yes! Nolan's is awesome, but Aronofsky will make it disturbing.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
And it should be disturbing; it's a freaky dude who dresses up like a bat working outside the law.
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No doubt.
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It's all "horses for courses" mate; I personally loved the car chase in TDK, especially the flipping of the truck sequence. But I can also see how some people would want it to be a lot bigger and more interesting. I think the action scenes in TDK work for the film as opposed to the film being built around set pieces. But I 100% agree with you that the action sequences in Batman Begins are pretty naff. Still enjoy the flick though :)
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Jan. 16, 2011, 7:59 p.m. CST
this is irresponsible, completely speculative crappy reporting.
by BEARison Ford
you're really reaching if you honestly think that quote is insinuating Aronofsky would be considering, or is being considered to be stepping into the Batman film world.
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I'm talking about the moment she turns into a black swan. You know the one at the end--where she sprouts wings. I agree, it could have been better. I really don't understand your reasoning here. I don't like Nolan's action sequences either.
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Absolutely! Fincher knows how to turn a good crime/detective story. I'd like to see more of that in Batman (rumour has it The Dark Knight Rises will focus a lot more on this).
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A movie like Arkham Asylum would be awesome. Instead of a story that take place over the course of weeks or months, how about a movie that's just *ONE* night of Batman? Worked for John McClane (Die Hard) why not for Batman?
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I wish they'd just continue the series, and not reboot it ala Spider-man. Heck, if they snag a good enough director, and throw a ton of money at him, they might even manage to keep Bale around for continuity's sake.
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I know you're suggesting "a" story set in one single night of Batman's career and I think that could work brilliantly; but a direct adaptation of "Arkham Asylum" would be very very hard to get right on the big screen. It's a very cerebral story with a lot of unusual elements to it. It also worth remembering that it doesn't focus singularly on Batman, but on Arkham himself too. Telling those two stories side by side would be awesome for hardcore fans of the comics but for the casual movie audience it would be confusing - and that would likely prevent it being greenlit.
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Agreed - continue the series with a new creative team. Don't reboot it. But I'd still like to see Nolan, Goyer and Bale return 20 years from now and make an adaptation of "The Dark Knight Returns". It couldn't be exactly as the comic is, for the simple reason that Superman is involved (so that's just one element that wouldn't work in Nolan's universe). But I think they could come up with a decent enough story about Batman coming out of retirement.
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Jan. 16, 2011, 8:11 p.m. CST
As someone currently adapting a screenplay into a comic book...
by wchblade
This doesn't surprise me. I've been a small press publisher since 2001. I've published my own "original" concept and wrote it first and foremost as a comic book with no huge notions for a movie even though the dream was/is there that it would be cool if it were ever to cross over into mainstream media. <br> Since I started my small company I've seen people come and go trying to do the same thing. I've seen the super hot Rosario Dawson create her own comics title(in her image of course) and I've seen the Wayans Brothers, Nicholas Cage and his son, Joss Whedon, and many more try to cut a small plot of land in "our" small humble territory with the hopes of doing something smaller and on the cheap only to shoot it back to the big screen for licensing and more money. What this does, to a degree, is cheapen the medium of comic books and dilutes the already tough chances of a completely independent and comics-focused publisher from being seen in an over-saturated and already highly competitive market to begin with. <br> Sure it brings more eyeballs to the dwindling industry, but at what cost? So many great writers are out there, even at the Big Two, that are writing circles around what's purchased and made into movies and TV shows these days. A handful of them are finally getting recognition and bigger offices, yet all-in-all most go unheard of as we continue to get franchise after franchise attempts that leave bad tastes in our mouths. <br> It'll be interesting to see a talented writer/director like Aronofsky get his story out there and told as a comic. In the end it'll be one more big marketing 'event' that will quash someone else's chance to grab their 15 minutes of fame in comics.
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BAT BONER.
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I guess it's just the way the industry works. Any suggestions as to how it could be done differently? Also, what's the comic you're trying to get published and how likely is it that we could get to read it one day? :)
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I agree with everything you just said, but somehow the tone seemed to indicate that you were taking me to task for my post. My point, it seems to me, was the same as yours: after Nolan's success, the best anybody could hope to do is rise to its level, rather than "hand his ass to him," and that is a pretty tall order. We're both on the same page, no?
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God bless the Silver Age; let's never go back :P
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for Batman. Honestly, I have yet to see a Batman movie directed in a style that I think supports a consistent franchise. Nolan did pretty damned good, but his fans are pretentious and refuse to allow for elements like magic, sci-fi tech outside of Batman's own creations, and the Dick Grayson Robin (as himself, not reimagined as a girl or Eddie Murphy) that I think belong in any worthwhile movie universe for the Dark Knight.
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I wasn't taking you to task, mate! Just enjoying the conversation is all :P
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Jan. 16, 2011, 8:19 p.m. CST
Enough. Holy bat-guano on a biscuit! I'm getting sick of Batman.
by FlickaPoo
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I think you're generalising a bit mate. Nolan has approached his Batman films from one particular angle. That angle excludes the more fantastical elements of the Batman comics, sure, but I don't think fans of the movies (like me) are against those elements. I said earlier in this talkback, in fact, that after Nolan I'd like to see a director who will take Batman into the more fantastical/hyper-reality angle. And to do it RIGHT. Nolan simply chose not to do that and that's fair enough - it's a different interpretation and I would argue that it was a welcome one after the Schumacher films. Now that we've had the grittier, more grounded take on Batman the door is open for something more spectacular and bizarre. If it's done in the right way it needn't be an embarassing mess :)
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That is the question that needs to be answered. Aronofsky's Batman:Year One script was crap.
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I don't think Nolan's fans are all pretentious. But, as for keeping Batman thoroughly grounded in reality (and excluding Robin), Nolan is very much in keeping with the spirit of the original pulp comic.
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Just for curiosities sake Ive been wanting to see adaptations (comic or animated) of these dead scripts, Smith's Superman Lives, Peterson's Batman vs Superman, Whedon's Wonder Woman, hell, even the 5th Schumaker Batman Batman Triumphant.
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Batman OR even Daredevil. That's a great character that truly deserves a strong, visionary film-maker. We'll see how Wolverine does...
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for Batman 3-D
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Just my own opinion, but I think we need DECENT individual films for Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Arrow, The Atom, The Flash and Green Lantern before a JLA movie is even considered. We need to see them shine on their own before they're all bundled together. This is one of the reasons I'm concerned about The Avengers movie - they're not allowing enough time for the characters to sink in to the movie-going public's consciousness before throwing them together for a big adventure.
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Present it in a way that modern day kids will accept. Even put in the "BOOF!" "PUNCH!" when Batman attacks bad guys. I think this could work.....
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See, that's the problem. ANOTHER movie about Wolverine in favour of re-visiting Daredevil or a character who hasn't been adapted yet. I really don't think we need anymore X-Men related films at this point. I'm in the minority though; fans want to see them done right. But "X-MEN Origins: Wolverine" proved to me that it's a dead issue.
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In fact, can we just shelve the fucking comic books movies all together? That resource has been mined of all it's valuable material.
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an automotive garage owned by a African American guy named Alfred. Din't he not dress up as Batman. Also didn't he do things like kill mobsters. Here is the script review from someone who read the script "Let me make this clear - YEAR ONE is a quality, well-written script, and I enjoyed reading it. I do understand why many Bat-fans like it. It would make a hell of a film - it just shouldn't be a “Batman” film." http://www.batman-on-film.com/opinion_jett_yearonereview.html
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I agree 100%. I'd definitely like to see some of those adaptations (especially Whedon's Wonder Woman, since he's already in the comic book business and could do it right). Who knows? Maybe it's a copyright ownership issue? I'm not sure how that works once a script is dead. Do rights revert to the author, or does the studio that bought the script initially maintain ownership? If the latter is the case, it would certainly explain why there haven't been more of these.
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Jan. 16, 2011, 8:37 p.m. CST
Some spoilers from the Darren Arnofsky/Frank Miller YEAR ONE script
by kabookieslap
This time Bruce disappears after the murders and ends up being taken in by automotive shop owners “Big Al and Little Al.” His whereabouts are unknown to the trustees of the Wayne fortune for several years (more on that later). Also, there is no “Alfred” in the sense that we know him - the “Little Al” character takes the place of the traditional Alfred. Basically, he’s Alfred, but he’s not - you get my drift? Anyway, this Bruce grows up in the garage in a crappy part of town - which is across the street from a seedy brothel. - He’s an angry and very disturbed person. I mean he is downright wacky. He’s in his mid-20s and lives in an apartment above said garage. Little Al knows that Bruce is a bit off in the head, but doesn’t really know what to do to help him. If you have read the comic book, you know that Bruce narrates the story, and he does the same in this script with voice-overs.
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Jan. 16, 2011, 8:38 p.m. CST
After Rises, I don't need another Batman film for 10 years
by MattmanReturns
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before we waste our time on something that I'm guessing will change 50 times before it happens, IF it happens.
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Was easily one of THE FUNNIEST things I've ever read on AICN. Seriously. Ten years later and it's still awful hard to forget "GORDON HAS A BEER AND CHEETS ON HIS WIFE" and Alfred as an African American who tells Batman "Slammen!"
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Not until you have a Schumacher B & R level bomb come along. And you also don't need to continue with Nolan's universe. Just look at it like how the comic book eras were before Crisis: no continuity other than the past 5-6 years. The Silver Age Batman bore only the most superficial resemblance to the Golden Age (look at Commissioner Gordon during those two eras), and Bronze Age Batman was nothing like Silver Age. Just have new creative team be a different era, with their own tone and style.
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Jan. 16, 2011, 8:41 p.m. CST
You want to know why they'll continue making more Batman films?
by Tarijeno
Because they've been very well received, and the last movie made a BILLION dollars. ($1,000,000,000) Warner Bros would be stupid to walk away from that cash cow, especially after the Harry Potter movies come to an end.
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The Batman franchise is like Bond (only more successful now)... with different interpretations every few movies.
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I am looking forward to Nolan wrapping up his trilogy of Bat-films. Though I've enjoyed them, I would like to see them lighten things up a tad and make Batman's world a little brighter and infuse the franchise with a grander sense of adventure and Bond-esque coolness. Aronofsky would be precisely who I wouldn't want to see take the reins. We need someone like Raimi or Favreau who can find the right mix.
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That's rubbish; there are still plenty of great comics that could make good movies. Sandman, Lucifer, The Boys, Albion, Black Hole, Tamara Drewe, Preacher, Swamp Thing and Hellblazer deserve quality screen adaptations. I could probably name a few more :P
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I know what you are saying, but just as there have been 40-50 years plus of writers and artists rendering these characters their way in the comics world, so it appears will be the case in the live-action film world. For years to come there will be re-boots, re-writes, revisions, re-inventions etc. It's different people working out their vision of iconic characters. If a major film studio came to you and gave you the chance to make the Wolverine movie right now, would you turn it down? And if you made it, do you think your vision will universally accepted? And if you didn't get it right, does the character deserve to be brushed aside as no longer worthy of future film incarnations? Wouldn't it be nice to finally see the "definitive" Wolverine movie, or, the "definitive" Spider-Man movie? Yes, it's all subjective, but the more we get the more their may be a unanimous approval on the work.
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1989: Tim Burton produces a gothic, albeit accessible Batman movie. 1992: Tim Burton, fresh off the success of Batman, makes a darker Batman movie. People say it's too dark. Warner Bros fires Tim Burton and looks for a director to lighten up the series a little bit. 1995: Joel Schumacher makes a lighter Batman movie. It's dumber, but more accessible to kids. Batman Forever makes a shit-load of money. 1997: Joel Schumacher assumes that everybody loves goofy, light Batman movies. He makes an even brighter film. The rest is history.
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All good points. Can't really argue with that one! :P
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I am with you. There should be a 5 to 10 year moratorium on comic book flicks. Grown men and women with secret identities running around in tights fighting crime is getting a bit clichéd and boring. We honestly do not need another Batman film. It has been said and done and said and done. Enjoy the ones you have; lets demand--with our ticket purchasing power--to have a new direction to action and adventure films. I would like to see a return to mythology and heroic epic. I would love to see the definitive version of the Odyssey.
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Jan. 16, 2011, 8:53 p.m. CST
If there is anyone who deserves their turn at bat it is Dini or Timm
by kabookieslap
They are the guys who get it, and if they do, they need to work with, Stan Berkowitz needs to write th script. he has written the Batman/Superman movie, New Frontier, Public Enemies. He understands Batman. They understand Batman, and even after 20 years are still churning out fresh stories for the characters through multiple series. There is a reason why their work is so loved. Like we all were saying before Nolan got on board, and in the 90's, let them have a chance.
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Wow, you're a stand up fella! I thought you were going to tear me a new one! :)
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I agree that there are plenty of good comics left to be made into movies. Swamp Thing got a movie back in the '80's, but it wasn't very good. The rest of these are untouched. My vote is for Sandman directed by Guillermo del Toro.
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Jan. 16, 2011, 8:56 p.m. CST
we just need a movie with batman going around kicking ass
by HadWoodenTeethChasedMobyDick
ass. running on buildings, up and down fire escapes, alleys, industrial areas. doing science, solving mysteries. batmobile. some familiar and cool, well fleshed out villains, maybe even the joker. and a story that doesn't involve in his own orgin. no robin though, batman's not boring enough yet. do it as a one shot.
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Do we need a new adaptation of Batman so soon after what is shaping up to be the best Superhero trilogy so far. Nolan is doing a great job, and though DA would also do a great job, I think it would water down both Nolan's and DA's Batmans.
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Perfect one-shot Batman movie: Batman Year 100. A great comic that includes fantastical elements (most obviously Batman being 100 years old) and has lots of cool characters, good action, running on rooftops, etc. It would totally baffle the general public but it would be a lot fun :P
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Jan. 16, 2011, 9 p.m. CST
tarijeno, it was actually the WB that forced Shumacher to make a ligher B&R
by kabookieslap
he wanted to go darker again and do year one, but they told him he needed his script to be "Toyetic". he said he never heard that word before. he said he was forced to spend more time with the toy Execs then the film execs. And they told him he needed to make a family friendly movie. Pissed off, he said "You want a happy movie, I'll give you a happy movie" He did say however that he was an adult, he did not put up much of a fight, and he was totally complicit in it once they told him what they wanted. he refuses to shift the blame onto the WB and takes full responsibility for it.
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Started to make a smart-ass comment like, "Hire Bruce Willis; he's almost there, anyway." But the more I thought about it, the better the idea sounded. Batman Year 100. I vote Clint Eastwood. I doubt he would do it, but it would be pretty fucking cool.
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It's all in the Batman and Robin documentary on the DVD/Blu-Ray.
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Jan. 16, 2011, 9:04 p.m. CST
Well the point is "Give them an inch, and they'll take you a mile."
by Tarijeno
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It was Burton's choice to not make Batman 3. He didn't want to direct Batman movies for the rest of his life. He suggested a lighter direction, and he produced Batman Forever.
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It would be great! It's not particularly dark (in places, yes, but not generally), it's exciting, lots of action and a lot fun. And the very premise is just bonkers, so you've got something that isn't "grounded in reality" at all, which will please the fans who'd like a more fantastical take on Batman. You've got this 100 year old bloke going about kicking arse, all the while trying not to have a fucking heart attack! I'd be up for it, but I'm sure we're in the minority :D
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Please. I've had enough. We've had Burton's weird Gothic Batman. We've had Schumacher's faaaaab-yew-lusss Gleed-up, gay Batman. Nolan's mumble-mouthed, sepia-toned, angsty version. Whatever DEƒUCK® that shit is in the comics right now. Can we have a rest from Batman, please. He's been my favorite character since childhood, and you all have made me fukken SICK of him. No more movies. No more cartoons. No TV show where he's a troubled High Schooler. Fuck off. Twenty years, at least.
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he was given exec producer credit out of courtesy like Guber and Peters where given that credit for Batman and Robin. He was never on set and had nothing to do with it. He did start coming up with a storyline, but he said somewhere that "the first Monday after Batman Returns opened, he walked into the WB's office and said "So let's talk about Batman 3"and the exec's told him "You don't want to do Batman 3"
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The mistake they made with the Schumacher films was casting too old. Look at how good Hit Girl is in "Kick-Ass" - Robin needs to be an angry kid who Batman focuses into something positive so that he doesn't grow up to be a dangerous man. Batman gives him focus and helps him to understand the right way to use his anger; for good. And a the same time, Robin's presence helps to mellow some of the darkness in Bruce Wayne's heart. The end result is a good balance and an effective crime fighting team. For want of a better example, I'll cite "Dark Victory" by Jeff Loeb and Tim Sale as the right way to introduce Robin.
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What story? *confused*
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hollywood is only interested in remaking batman and wolverine - how about a "love and rockets" movie - or "deadman" - or "omac" - or "moon knight" - or "vampirella" - or "the red star" - or "metabarons" - or "the airtight garage / the man from ciguri" - or "the incal"
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Jim Gordon himself would be waiting to beat Batman's a$$ for violating child endangerment laws. Maybe as a kid that follows Batman around so he can get toni zucco or whatever and gets mixed up the action, sure....but full on sidekick? Thankfully not in this series. Maybe IF THEY DO IT RIGHT in the next series, sure, but I have yet to hear of any way that Robin can be introduced to this series or any film series that would be good as far as his age, involvement, etc.
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Agreed. See my reply to ironhelix.
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In Nolan's universe, no - I wouldn't want to see Robin. And it's not going to happen so it's academic at this point. But I genuinely don't think the age issue should be a problem. I cite again, Hit Girl in "Kick-Ass". It works! It can work with Robin too.
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First of all, don't call me asshole. There's no need to be a prick when all I've done is ask you a simple question to clarify what you were talking about, okay? Secondly, I was talking about Robin being a child (i.e. 10 - 12) and not in his late teens like the character in Die Hard 4. And thirdly, Die Hard 4 is not the story of a vigilante superhero training a bereaved child to focus his anger over his parent's murder into a positive thing. Any element of that which DOES appear in Die Hard 4 is extremely superficial. So I stand by my statement. Have a read of "Dark Victory" if you get chance and you'll see the kind of thing I mean.
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Jan. 16, 2011, 9:29 p.m. CST
as long as they don't have that Heath Ledger in it again
by SantosLHalper
his Joker impression seemed more like the Penguin with fingerpaint on his face
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...that feels like Kick-Ass? I would think that tone would be too corny for a Batman movie. Kick-Ass was satire and requires less suspension of disbelief. That said, I think a Robin COULD work in a NolanBatverse, but it would have to be something unlike anything we've seen so far.
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So do the Coen Brothers. If it ain't broke...
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Joseph Gordon Levitt as boytoy
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No mate, I never said I wanted a Batman film in the same vein as "Kick-Ass". I was just using "Kick-Ass" as an example of how you can have a child superhero portrayed properly, in a none-cheesy, non-annoying way. Last thing I'd want is a Batman satire :P
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"Don't fuck with me, Joker! I will bury you in the rose garden!!"
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Hear, hear! So how old you talkin' in your take on a Nolanverse Robin?
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Well I don't want Robin in the Nolanverse and we know he won't be based on what Nolan has said before. So like I said, that's pretty much a mute point. But whoever takes over from Nolan could easily have Robin involved in that "Dark Victory" style of a young 10-12 year old boy who Batman helps to focus his anger into something positive. That's why I was drawing the comparison with Hit Girl; you can have a young kid doing these action, superhero things without it being irritating or stupid.
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Jan. 16, 2011, 9:43 p.m. CST
I mean Guber and Peters given exec credit on Batman Returns
by kabookieslap
Sorry
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Calm down mate :P If nothing else, the article has led to some cool discussion about the future of Batman on film.
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Gotcha. I'm no fan of Shumacher (so much so, I'm not bothering to check my spelling there), but I understand why they cast Robin so old. For most moviegoers, it's a tough sell to imagine a 10 - 12 year old boy being effective in the types of situations Batman finds himself in. I'm not saying it's impossible, just tonally a REALLY hard target to hit in a serious movie. I was going to link you a pic of a typical adolecent boy to punctuate my point but realized I don't need "10 year old boy" in my search history : )
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As I closely observed the jagged, black stone/rock in Peter Jackson's KING KONG (earlier today), I could "see" an artistically interesting BatCave...and I could already "see" Batman in an incredible costume design, visually awesome yet retaining Nolan's preference for functionality. --I will forever be jealous of any filmmaker who gets this shot.
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Nope don't care.
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around too often these days...
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LOL That's fine mate, I know perfectly well what the average 10 year old looks like; I used to be one!
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what manufactured. And yet AICN throws little hissy fits and calls out other sites cough *marketsaw* cough for doing the exact same thing. Funny that....
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Jan. 16, 2011, 9:53 p.m. CST
clonemat wasn't it also why Shumacher chose O'donnel over Decaprio
by kabookieslap
He looked at both of theri pics and thought hat O'donnel could kick the shit out of Dicaprio. He also felt Dicaprio looked too much like a kid.
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film simply because it seems like his approach was fairly similar to what Nolan ended up doing albeit even more gritty and "real world". And frankly as the other dude said, if these comic book properties are just going to be endlessly recycled/rebooted ala the new Spiderman redoing the origin inly 8-9 years since it was already fucking done, then please shoot me too. Why cant we get somehting fresh and new with Batman? How about doing Batman Beyond?
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Perfect casting.
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A less realistic version with Mr. Freeze and Clayface.
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Jan. 16, 2011, 10:23 p.m. CST
Yeah...because BATMAN BEYOND would be "fresh and new"
by planetran_fan
Since it's been done in one medium already, how would it be fresh and new?????????????
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...FIX THIS SITE!!! You know things are bad when it locks up Safari!
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Revamping Batman would take a very different direction that Aronofsky has ever shown capable of. Tonally, Chris and Darren are very close. Granted, Chris' are slightly more glossy, Darren's more raw. But, overall, they are awesome, but similar directors. A new Batman needs a different kind of darkness. If Todd Solondz wrote and directed a Batman film, I could count on a new take on the material. He could tap into the deviant psychology of both hero and villain in a way that could take the franchise above and beyond expectations. If not Solondz, I could see Joss Whedon bringing it to a lighter, more broadly appealing zone that still retains credibility. Finally, why do we not consider a female director for the job? The focus and mood of the film might be very interesting did we get a Catwomaned Batman done by Jane Campion. Or see how Bigelow handles a vengeful Harley Quinn with hyenas at her heels. I love Nolan and Aronofsky. But I think Darren on Wolverine is plenty enough time for him to be not writing and directing his own stuff. Fountain is one of the most advanced pieces of cinema I have seen. I want more of that, and Requiem, and Black Swan. Less Wrestler, Pi and Hugh Jackson. Why is Nolan doing a 4th film being discounted? If it is a hit like Dark Knight, it doesn't make sense to mix it up.
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Jan. 16, 2011, 10:29 p.m. CST
I'll wait until "The Wolverine" before passing judgement!
by matchesmalone2380
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You think they are just going to STOP doing any more movies of these characters cause they sit down and say ' thats enough'? If that's the thought process, maybe they should stop doing comic books of the same characters, or maybe stop doing cartoons of them too, cause why continue it? It's all been said before right?
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and therefore every comic book is Batman. Excuse me, did anyone else read Aronofsky as saying that that the script being made as a comic book and then into a movie was a 'Batman' property, because I did not. 'Like Batman' is not the same as 'Is Batman'
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Something surreal and gritty and completely different from Nolan's take. I think the only way to follow Nolan is to go in a completely different direction, but without being campy.
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Pleeeease! THIS is news worth getting wet about? You can clearly see he's just saying he's working on a comic book related script. Fuck man, Batman's in the quote SOMEWHERE and it generates so much shit on here! ps. Get better soon Knowles, nice work with the whole functioning spine business!
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because any comic book geek knows you can <i>never</i> have enough of those.
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Jan. 16, 2011, 10:54 p.m. CST
Is this the shit script with Big Al the mechanic and homeless Batman?
by Jobacca
'Cause that sounded like shit....if I remember that script was written by current crazy-ass Frank Miller as opposed to good 80's era Frank Miller. That was the whole "Gordun haz a beer and cheets on his wife" script,correct? Just an FYI,before Nolan's origin story,Paul Dini wrote a script for a live-action Batman Beyond movie that will probably never,ever get made. Somewhere in a drawer lies one of the best Batman scripts ever written,and it will no doubt continue to gather dust when DC and WB decides to "reboot" Batman and Superman yet again. How about instead of giving us stories with 20 year old versions of these characters you finally get around to doing Batman Beyond and Kingdom Come and The Goddamned Dark Knight Returns????
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While you are at it. Can we seen the following turned to comic books? 1. Justice League : Mortal. 2. Supermax - Green Arrow film.
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Jan. 16, 2011, 11:06 p.m. CST
I actually think you could do Robin in Nolan's Batman
by Continentalop
Just not in one movie. You'd need a couple of movies to make it believable.
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Then we can start talking about batman 4, until then lets focus on the 3rd one.
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Ian Somerhalder is good for "Terry McGuinnes" Laura Linney for "Barbera Gordon" Make it so. . .
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but i love me some darren!
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...that the Nolan universe will continue after Nolan leaves. If (BIG if) this happens, it would be a new thing, certainly, especially if it's the script I'm thinking of, cause it's totally incompatible with the Nolan universe as already established. I'm guessing this won't become a movie, and the Nolan universe will be over after the third movie. Then WB will find some new incarnation to relaunch Batman with. You can't have much of a Batman universe without a Joker anyhow, and I can't see them daring to recast that role.
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That would be interesting to see. And if it wasn't popular they could just make sure it was a one-shot film and move on to something else. If they can fund and make something as awful as the Catwoman movie surely they can take a chance on Batman Beyond, which has great potential to be cool in live-action, and has such great characters.
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he is talking about a script becoming a comic, he isnt event talking about batman. Too late picked up everywhere, so now Batman is being rebooted because someone couldn't read the question and answer properly.
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David Fincher MUST direct a Batman film before I die. And it MUST have a Trent Reznor soundtrack!
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Jan. 17, 2011, 12:13 a.m. CST
Harry is wrong it´s not BATMAN but ROBOCOP THE CRIME FIGHTER CYBORG
by organicstudios
Next time read better guys
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by dynamite Entertainement comics
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maybe all of these amazing cinematic talents should be tackling ORIGINAL FUCKING GODDAMN STORIES. CAN'T WE LET THE FUCKING GODDAMN COMIC BOOK HEROES REST AND MAYBE JUST FUCKING MAYBE TELL SOME ORIGINAL STORIES? MORE IMPORTANTLY-AND I'M LOOKING AT YOU FILM FANS-SHOULDN'T WE, AS SPECTATORS, BE EXPECTING- DEMANDING -ORIGINAL STORIES, INSTEAD OF the same old shit recycled every ten years or so? Demand more of your artists so they'll demand more of you.
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I've already published "The Rift™", wrote something from DB pro and Marvel called "Marshal" (only saw one issue due to DB Pro and Marvel breaking up their printing deal) The former is a 6-issue mini that, so far I have five issues printed and out there as well as on iPads and for PDF download and even in CLASSIC printed book form through my website gistudios .com. <br> I've also edited "Immortal Kiss" and worked on logos for "Immortal Kiss", "Urban Sprawl", The Sire, and Image Comics' "Descendant". I've got new partners that are publishing "Intrepid" and another new series call "Shonen Double Feature". The screenplay I'm adapting now is from Emilio Mauro another Boston-based writer who just sold a TV show and a movie deal. His concept is sci-fi action one that takes place in the not-too-distant future. We have a pretty definite working title, but due to an NDA I signed I'm not sure I can tell you more at this time. As far as doing it differently? I'm not sure. Just kinda expressing my angst for already established big name and high paid creatives playing in comics' proverbial sandbox. Again it's nice to have them bring recognition to the printed media, but odds are few people will pick up anything beyond the book he's writing. 'm sure he's got a cool story though and that he's a better writer than I am.
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the crime solving boat
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I read it the same way. it sounds as though he's working in the comic book space, but not clearly or necessarily on a Batman project. Was oddly written. <br> Could be the pain killers affecting Harry's reading. lol
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Point being, I really want Aronofsky to do his Robocop remake! And actually film it in my hometown of Detroit, this time!!! Oh yeah, and I want a role in it, too. Can I be Red's lackey that gets mutated by the sludge?!?! Robocop is one of those rare perfect action movies that's just dated enough to justify a remake. Is it said that I really only want this flick made so I can somehow get in the movie?!
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I hope Aronofsky isn't talking about that retarded take that him and Frank Miller created. The version where they had orphaned Bruce Wayne adopted by a car mechanic, and Wayne grows up poor and becomes a low budget Batman. 'cause FUCK THAT. Doesn't anyone remember this??
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Shit, I've read the script, and just like Jett from Batman-on-Film said, it seems like an awesome movie, but it should have nothing to do with Batman, at all! Hopefully DA will do with the comic what apparently Frank Miller is gonna do with his newest comic, "Holy Terror!", and just tell the same story but not make the protagonist Batman.
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I think Aronofsky makes films worth seeing but only when they're available in the ol' Redbox, not at my local cineplex.
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guess AICN is not getting news fast enough. since nolan is planning on leaving after the 3rd film, wb has said they are planning on taking a break from doing batman films. but that they are now going to try and get a weekly one hour tv show going. not that they won't ever do another movie. the show is supposed to continue from nolan's last fim with a different actor taking over the bruce wayne role. the show is said to introduce us to more villians but keep nolan's style. they also plan on recasting the role of the joker.
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He should stick to Bond movies.
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Or at least I hope so. From what I read of his original script ideas around the time Batman Begins was being thought up, they weren't so hot. Alfred the mechanic? No thanks. Fine, make a comic out of it. If it's good I'll retract my statement and change my opinion, but I don't see it as a viable movie.
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It sounds like a cool Elseworld - tale. I doubt that it will be made into a movie, but it would certainly be interesting if they did.
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But, with DA taking over the franchise, would we have to submit to another round of Batmans origins? I tire at the idea of paying to see a movie tell me where he came from and what motivates him before two years pass and we get a full 90-120 mins devoted to new action. Batman Begins was great, and acceptable because it had been the late 80's since the cinema had seen this tale told, but now, like spiderman, we see the possibility of being treated to it all over again, within a decade of the last time. Be more like Hulk, reboot, fine, but get past the origins in montage and get to the good stuff faster!
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Where are you getting your info? WB isn't necessarily doing a TV show for definite, it's only one option they've considered for when Nolan's movies are over.
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...That is nothing more than the biggest rumor of rumors! Read Batman-on-film.com. Jett doesn't post spoilers, but (seeing as how his site almost singley cast Christian Bale) he know's enough industry insiders involved to know that shit is utter BS. Jett knows all, and I'm sick of hearing people telling me what they think is "Batman3" movie news as actual fact, whne 90% of it is WAAAAYYYY off base.
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..he meant they're going to make the comic and then see if it gets released or not.
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Cheats on his wife. Finally!!!
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I really like Aronofsky (apart from the fountain, that was boring boring crap, and yes I understood it, I was just bored by it), swan and the wrestler are fantastic but I think him directing batman would be a terrible idea, nolan has got a nice balance of character depth, reality and action badassery, arono would enrich the characters and the plot depth, but would fail at action. <p> id bring him in as a co producer or second unit director and let him do what he does best but get someone else to do the fighty bits and keep the pace ticking (black swan and wrestler are ace, but slooooowwww) hell you could get michael bay to direct it but let aronofsky take charge anytime anyone speaks. <p> alternately if batnolan 3 is cool you could just piss off and leave batman on a high note.
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He's not talking about actually doing Batman.
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First, because Aronofsky is overrated. I don't think he's *bad*, he has his moments, but he's also just not very good either. He's far too melodramatic, overwrought, and laughably pretentious to be truly great. I suppose some say that Nolan is pretentious, but I don't think so. He's a very skilled craftsman and a vastly superior director. I never get the feeling that Nolan is drawing attention to himself -- rather, it's all about the film. With Aronofksy it's the total opposite; it's as if you can feel him jumping up and down, waving his arms and screaming, "I'M IMPORTANT! AND THIS IS MY IMPORTANT WORK OF ART THAT YOU SHOULD THINK IS IMPORTANT! I'M SO SERIOUS AND IMPORTANT! LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!" like some self-obsessed undergrad or emo teen who just discovered that poetry doesn't have to rhyme and can be really irritating. Then he pulls out a sledgehammer and hits the audience with it repeatedly until they leave. So, please, no. Maybe he could direct the inevitable Twilight reboot or something? Second, because three is enough. I don't even want Nolan and crew to make a fourth Batman movie. I think they should focus on wrapping up the trilogy in grand fashion and leave Batman alone for awhile; at least for another 10 years or so.
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Jan. 17, 2011, 8:04 a.m. CST
Guys, read the exchange again- he's talking generically about a comic book movie
by YackBacker
He's not talking about Batman. 'm sure WB would kill to keep their money-making franchise going, but that's why they're giving Supes another shot... and starting GREEN LANTERN (barf). But back to the quote, he's not saying anything about Batman... or Warners for that matter.
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his Batman script was horrible. Truly a blessing it was never made. Bruce wearing his father's ring, punching people and leaving an imprint of a W that looks like a bat?! Alfred as some mechanic who takes in an orphan Bruce? I'd hope for at least a ten year hiatus between Nolan's last Batman film and the next in the series. But there will be a new one in four years...
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Returns and Dark Knight - awesome. Batman89 and begins - pretty damn good. Hell, even Forever is somewhat entartaining (and it almost made Robin work!). Batman and Robin is still the greatest "Drinking Game" movie. (Drink at every pun.) I see no problem with new directors and actors coming on, doing their own interpretation, like they used to do with the James Bond franchise.
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......R-rated very dark Batman. And by R-rated I mean hard "R". Kinda like what McFarlane originally wanted for Spawn. Except still grounded and based in realism and not fantastical like Spawn. But you have Bruce Wayne/Batman taking no prisoners and really going hardcore on baddies and none of that censored MPAA cutsie shit. Think Rambo IV level violence and cans-O-whoopAss. Anything other than harder R and much darker gritter Batman will feel like we're just regressing to the nipple-suit Clooney era Batman, and nobody wants that.
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Just when you thought the utterly retarded, frankly completely dispicable script that started the "Gordon gets drunk and cheats on his wife" meme was buried in history...it resurfaces! You guys frankly don't understand how this script would have COMPLETELY BURIED Batman forever! Catwoman is a fuckign WHORE! LITERALLY! A streetwalking HOOKER! Robin is a jive-talking black kid! And of course Batman....NEVER WEARS A BATSUIT, just a potato sack over his head like Jason Fucking VOORHEES!
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Because it honestly doesn't sound like he's saying there's any chance of that script being made into a film. Warner passed on it when they were desperate for a Batman film because it was utter shit and they knew that. Aranofsky is saying "Let's see what happens" as far as the comic becoming a run.
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Jan. 17, 2011, 9:24 a.m. CST
The same director doing a Marvel movie AND a DC movie?!
by Royston Lodge
That feels blasphemous, somehow.
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But, just as a mental exercise, I would love to see an Arronofsky Batman film. In fact, I think he would be the perfect director to helm an adaptation of Morrison's Arkham Asylum. That comic book deserves the kind of horror film techniques that Arronofsky relied on for Black Swan.
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Jan. 17, 2011, 9:42 a.m. CST
Oooh... An Aronofsky-directed version of Arkham Asylum...
by Royston Lodge
... would ... be ... awesome.
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QUOTE by THOT: "I would like to see them lighten things up a tad and make Batman's world a little brighter and infuse the franchise with a grander sense of adventure and Bond-esque coolness." If you want a lighter Batman, by all means go and watch the fucking garbage by Shoefucker, or some of the Tim Burton nonsense. A "Lighter and grander" Batman is not Batman. He's dark, brooding and that's that. The ideas being presented here for what should be the next direction for Batman are why I thank God™ most people don't have opportunity to make film. Nolan's been the best thing to happen to comic book films, and especially to Batman.
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They should continue to make the films in the same way that the Bond films are done. They could bring in different directors every couple of films. Nolan already established the proper tone for the character. That is what should be followed in future films. Also in future films, some of the stranger characters can be worked in such as Mister Freeze and Clayface. Robin as described by another poster above, should be realized in a similar light to HIT GIRL in KICK ASS. she was beleivable doing what she was doing. That is exactly how they should approach Robin. Hell my Nephew is a Red Belt in Tai-Kwon do and is only 8 yrs old. He can kick the crap out of people much bigger than him. so it is not a stretch. As for Directors, Fincher Greengrass Mann Campbell Aronophsky. These are the types they should be pulling in for this franchise. Their particular directing styles are geared towards it.
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Until that someone reaches out and grabs them because they are 2 feet away...and KILLS THEM! Grab their arm or leg and smash their face into the ground. DEAD! I'm not advocating killing 8-year-olds, I'm pointing out that the kid better realize how foolish it would be to get into a street fight with an adult and that his best option is ALWAYS to run away. It's the same with women's defense courses. Yes learning some akido or basic defense moves in order to GET AWAY from an attacker is good, but then run your fucking ass off! Don't think you can go toe to toe with a guy. Yes I understand that some women can, but it's not worth it for them to find out if they are one of them when they are being attacked. Step on his arch to get him to loosen a grip, elbow to the nose to stun him and kick to the balls to incacitate him, then run like holy fucking hell because once he's back on his feet he's going to be really fucking pissed!
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Damned good character, and Aranofsky is the guy to do the story of a psychologist who the joker wins over to his side.
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is that he's so malleable. Writers and directors can easily adapt him for their own purposes. There is not "real" Batman, just different versions of the character. That's why I can still enjoy the Burton Batman films after seeing Nolan's. I would love to see what another visionary director, like Nolan or Arronofsky, would do with the franchise.
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Jan. 17, 2011, 11:33 a.m. CST
I thought Russell Brand was filming the new Batman?
by Anakin_Piecocker
I saw some pics a few months ago from my cousin.
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People are calling you out, Harry. http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/01/17/darren-aronofsky-is-not-doing-a-batman-comic
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X-MEN!
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Harry was totally owned by Badass Digest. If you haven't read the link above, then I'll briefly recap. They essentially repeat what other talkbackers, including myself, have stated. Arronofsky does not, in any way, suggest that he would be turning his Batman script into a comic book and later a film. Instead, it is much, much more likely that Arronofsky is talking about one of the other million or so properties he has been attached to that have yet to be turned films. Badass Digest suggests that its an epic retelling of the Noah myth. Sounds kind of cool.
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I know you need them now, but just be careful. I don't want to see you a year from now trying to sell AICN at the pawnshop for dope. Wait, I kinda do. Forget what I said. Enjoy.
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If you go back to the character's origins, it's clear he was never meant to be anything less than a dark, brooding character. He was birthed in the blood of his parents, a crime he could never avenge. There's nothing light about him. The goofy, lighter brighter interpretations, including the campy era spawned by DC's desperate attempts to raise sales, have simply gotten the character wrong.
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Jan. 17, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST
Given his script, I'd rather have Ratner and Boll do it.
by DunderMifflinIntern
Then we wouldn't have all the posers working at Suncoast who cannot post here without telling us how nobody loves "film" as much as them and how we don't get it. Film is in quotes because "movies" isn't pompous sounding enough.
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He is an amazing director, Warner Bros. trusts him, and he knows how to put his own spin on a sequel while still keeping it in line with the other movies in the series: he proved it with Harry Potter. Not to mention that Aronofsky's old Batman project sounded fucking terrible.
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I thought Batman Beyond was a good suggestion. Tap the Elseworlds titles, particularly Gotham by Gaslight, that would be awesome. How about the Dark Knight Returns? WTF? Give that to us. And I agree with a poster above, Arnofsky is a pretentious prick looking to shit on the franchise for notoriety. That's all.
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Here's an old review by BOF. Actually would be cool in comic form. But not cool on the big screen. http://www.bat man-on-film.com/opin ion_jett_yearonereview.html
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only if their vision stays true to the Batman mythos. I think Nolan has done that well. My take on Burton's '89 film is that his represents Batman's initial appearance in the comics. Batman used to kill people. He had guns. Although I don't like how the Joker was killed off. The eventual veering off into Batman & Robin (Schumacher) territory is a painful but necessary reminder of how NOT to represent Batman. For future Bat films I really hope they don't re-boot. I think they can continue where TDKR will leave off, while at the same time bringing in stranger characters (even Clayface). As far as I can tell, for the Bond films they rarely re-booted. They just brought in a slightly different crew from time to time.
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Jan. 17, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST
I think a complete reboot is in order when Nolan is done....
by fat_rancor_keeper
Think about it, we got 2 awesome Bat flicks and the next one will (hopefully) be good as well. In the end it'll be a trilogy as Nolan always wanted. However there are too many issues if WB wanted to continue with Nolan's continuity.... 1 Heath's passing. This was the biggest and most tragic blow to any possibility of numerous Batman films under Nolan's watch....Joker is way too vital to the Bat universe to simply not show up anymore. On a related note, Twoface being killed off worked fine for DK, however ideally a character like that has lots more potential....that's why he's been around in the comics for so many years. 2. With Nolan gone, Bale will also likely go as well. We saw how wack things got when they attempted to continue Tim Burton's films with different actors. It's just not the same and takes you right out of the film. Also, those sequels were horrid but that's a whole other topic. 3. As awesome & realistic as Nolan's take is on Batman it's also extremely limiting. There are way too many classic characters from the comics that are written off because "they wouldn't fit into Nolan's world". With a reboot all of those limitations would be removed and we'd have a new slate where perhaps characters like Riddler, Killercroc, Robin/Knightwing and Clayface could exist.
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While I do love the Christopher Nolan Batman films, I agree with the many other posters who feel that the next Batman film (or trilogy) should be taken in an entirely different visual direction. I think that, much like the LEGENDS OF THE DARK KNIGHT comic book series, the studio should let high-profile directors give us their take on the Batman character. Don't get me wrong, I would also love to see Darren Aranofsky tackle the project as well, but I think my dream project would be a Robert Rodriguez - directed adaptation of THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS.
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Jan. 17, 2011, 4:08 p.m. CST
If it needs to be completely clean from the previous films...
by solitaire
David Fincher directing, John Hamm as Bruce Wayne, Batman with a much less complex suit and no f^*king eye makeup. Adapt the Batman year two series with the Reaper, cast Jeremy Irons as The Reaper. Bruce Greenwood as Gordon, John Hurt as Alfred.
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I agree 100% except I don't think he did that anywhere near as much with 'The Wrestler'. I also feel sometimes that he is ambiguous because he doesn't know what the fuck he's ultimately trying to say. Whereas I think someone like Kubrick knew exactly what he was getting at then took an ambiguous route back through the theme to the film itself and, ultimately, to the audience. I remember in the Pi commentary, Aronofksy was talking about the golden ratio and his visit to Israel, and he ended it all by saying... "and the rabbit hole goes so much deeper than that"... I'm paraphrasing, but it was very near to what he said. And I found myself thinking... 'TO WHERE?' To some profound fucking mystery that we're all not aware of and you are? There's just something about him and his method that seems like bullshit and I can't quite put my finger on it or explain it (you explained it better than me, I think) but it's something I sense in his films and in the way he talks about them. In a sense, I'm not so sure he's fully aware of his greatest strength and that is getting UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE performances out of his actors. At that, I think he's actually much better than Nolan, who sometimes gets pretty obvious with his dialogue and laughable line readings like, "Things are worse than EV-ER!" Keep in mind, I love TDK and Inception and The Prestige and... hell, I'm pretty much onboard with everything the man does, but that doesn't mean I can't point out what I perceive as his weaknesses as a film director. However, I agree that Nolan gets out of the way of the story in a way that I don't think Aronofsky has learned quite yet. Fincher seems to be going more and more minimalist as he ages, especially between Zodiac and The Social Network. I mean, they have their directorial flourishes, but more in the way that Raging Bull has "The Fight Scenes" and then everything else in the movie is subdued and Scorsese just lets the actors do their thing. Nolan, though, is in a different league than all of these guys (Scorsese aside), I think... most will say he hit his high mark with TDK and Inception, but I actually think he hasn't quite reached his highest highs yet... as great as those movies are, I feel like he can and will do much better work. We still haven't see his 'perfect film', I think. That said, he's a superbly talented craftsman and storyteller, kind of a cross between Spielberg and Ridley Scott.
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First of all, NO FUCKING "REBBOT"! But if that is what's warranted, Dylan McDermott for Batman. I LOVE Nolan's Bat-verse, but I miss the super-real elements. I want a Killer Croc movie. Ok, by himself he ain't much, but he would be a really creepy-cool element. He can be a henchman. That live-action little short with Batman vs. Aliens and Predators is what I want batman to look like on film. WHITE EYES! FUCKING SPANDEX! Black cape and cowl and grey bodysuit with a simple black bat symbol on his chest and a gold utility belt. Make him a grizzled old fuck a la TDKR. He's bitter and pissed from decades of fighting scum. He's lost his love of humanity that started him on his quest and he is reminded of it. Not by Robin, because Robin is fucking gay. I'd be cool with Batgirl though. Or even Catwoman teaming up with him before turning on him in the end. After they have full-penetration sex onscreen of course. ;)
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Jan. 17, 2011, 6:01 p.m. CST
Since the first 4 movies dont even fucking exist in my mind.....
by grendel69
I'm up for some more Batman. But not another reboot - worst idea imaginable. Id love to see the Riddler done properly.
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On everyone's parts... Surely, Aronofsky has a relationship with people in the studio AND in DC, so this is probably more his conversations with friends and contacts and whatnot that WANT this to happen - but even if it did, they probably wouldn't even begin active development until late 2012, and that would be pretty early considering the third Batman would REALLY have to be a success. Remember, as bad as the Shumacher films seem in hindsight, BATMAN FOREVER's success was explained in large part to its total difference from BATMAN RETURNS. I love Nolan's films, and THE DARK KNIGHT is probably the best and most faithful cinematic interpretation of the character, his world and ANY of his villains to date - overall - yet, even it had the rather morbid benefit of people curious to see Heath Ledger's final performance, especially with it being something that NOBODY thought he'd do in the first place combined with how good everyone thought he was from the December 2007 trailer. That said, even though it seems LIKELY that Nolan's third film will be a success, if it isn't on par with or in excess of The Dark Knight's, then I don't see Warners hiring another director with what could be considered such similarly dark and nihilistic ideas about how to interpret these characters. Plus, the suits will probably raise the question of where to go with the character without introducing someone like, say, Robin - again - which I don't see Aronofsky doing with any more likelihood than Nolan (whom we know won't do it at all, and with good reason). Personally, I'm only barely familiar with Aronofsky and his style. I haven't seen a film of his released which really convinced me to pay to see it (which may still be my loss - I don't know). Impressions, though, and the reading of reviews and other material regarding Aronofsky's work(s) make me believe this is probably just interstudio gossip more than the impending announcement that Aronofsky implies it as being. Besides, it's been barely a year or less since we found out there would even be a third Batman film from Nolan - I REALLY don't see Warners announcing a forth before the third one comes out, or is at least advertised, and then only announced as a possibility for development. Plus, with Nolan being DC/Warner's golden boy, handling, albeit from afar, the Superman reboot - which will likely turn into another trilogy - and with Nolan's own secretive nature, I doubt he'd be happy with any "official" announcement of a Batman film after his, particularly since he seems to want to tout his own third film as a definitive CONCLUSION to an isolated story. That, in and of itself, would not only be cast into doubt, but be hard to believe, indeed, were a director with even remotely similar stylistic leanings be officially announced as being attached to any incarnation of a BATMAN 4, or whatever it would be. I seriously doubt Warners would want to play chicken with their relationship with the Nolan camp in that way, especially now, before Green Lantern comes out and with other, non-Nolan related films being three or more years off... Anyhow, I'm done. Sorry for the rambling, but... if I was able to make my point at all, I stand by it. ;)
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1. "in large part to..." should be "in large part DUE to..." 2. I meant to say Ledger's final COMPLETE performance, as I would never omit his contribution to Dr. Paranassus. 3. "forth" should have been "fourth"
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...that's rebooted halfway through. Has it been done before? Also: I want to see two directors work on the same script at the same time with a totally different cast and crew, and have the studio bring out both versions in the same week, running against each other.
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always uses some camp as an ingredient (even Sin City has very understated humor with it's gun toting ho's), so if you want a serious Batman, don't ask for him! and Aronofsky's low fi garage grunge Batman idea sounds like the one I would want to see opening day. Ironman, Batman, the huge budget high tech spectacle is boring now... I think that's why I felt a bit of numbness towards Inception as a thin idea with a BIG operatic soundtrack. Although I do want to see this Battlefield Los Angeles movie.... lol at myself.
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I would love to see it rebooted. That character had SO much potential and it was largely squandered. (I remain of the opinion that the last time we had a good Indy movie was 1981.) People will argue that without Ford, you can't have Indy. I don't agree. People said the same thing about Bond/Connery, but the character WAS bigger than the actor. Indy was always supposed to be set in the 30s. It's an absolutely brilliant period in which to set adventure stories.
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Does 'Lost Highway' count? And please, Lord, turn this into a new, original story that doesn't involve Batman. Kind of like the how the Alien prequel is becoming Prometheus . . .
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And will Keith David pimp him out? "Ass to ass"
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That Batman Vs. Alien Vs. Predator was retarded. Using fucking Danny Glover soundbytes from Predator 2? Fat, spandex Batman? A Joker that is about as intimidating as Martin Short? Proof that fanboys should never be allowed to see their childish notions realized.
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It sounds like they're creating new comics just to be able to later translate them into comic book movies!??! Just when you though the well was drying-out (thankfully). :(
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Whatever direction they go with a reboot after the Nolan films, please god no more origin stories. The public knows how and why he became Batman, pick up the story a few years into him being Batman and go with it. Or better yet do Dark Knight Returns finally.
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Jan. 18, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST
You guys are forgetting the best line from the Original Script:
by ndoty_sa
Black Alfred: "Yo, that suit be slammin', B!"
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done with Superman: Red Son if WB/DC would greenlight the film and if not RS, how about All star Superman? But Bats would also be a safe bet for Anofsky once the torch has been passed from Nolan's hands.However, it's gonna be tricky to measure up to Nolan since his take on Batman is unsurpassed meaning; he owned both Burton and Schmucker's asses collectively!!
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I can't help laughing at this sorry attempt to capatilize off the Superhero Film trend.Orwell is Oracle and of course the Cape is..... And the silly segments in which the Cop/Cape talks to his son without even masking his voice is the truest definition of shitty writing. The Major villian Chess looks like a poor man's Cobra Commander. well atleast his costume looked better than the Movie version portrayed by JGL. I'll give this series three more weeks and it'll be time to pull the plug.
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Jan. 18, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST
Before Eastwood heads to the great saloon in the sky...
by Peter Franks
I'd give my left testicle to see him direct and star in Miller's The Dark Knight Returns. Being that this has nearly zero chance of happening (despite Clint's long-standing relationship with WB), I'm absolutely in love with Aronofsky's work and would be beyond excited to see him take up the mantle after Nolan's final bat-flick.
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