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Details of the upcoming BRUCE WAYNE TV series!

So, the world moves along... everything is contingent, and there is chaos. Here and there, a blurb goes about, it speaks... there's a new series in the works called "Bruce Wayne" - or is it "They Call Me Bruce"? (Kidding, you damn paranoid talkbackers!) Nobody else had any details, so I figured I would go into a trance-state, and commune with... Huitzilopochtli. Taking a bit more than the prescribed dosage, I found myself in contact with the dreaded left-handed warrior, and a hoary visage of a... a person who knows. An intern? A copy clerk? A trapped air-conditioner duct cleaner? Perhaps even "the demon who makes trophies of men."

"Huitzilopochtli! I beseech you! I must have speaks with the muddled form of WBtv!"

After running outside to grab a neighbor for a quick blood-sacrifice, with images of hummingbirds flittering about, my request was granted. Of course, I then passed out, in a wild fit of tears and joy. Waking up, I cleaned the blood off of my mouth and hands, and here's what I remember. To be sure, this is truth of the universe, and my neighbor was not sacrificed in vain.

As you know it has been a dark time for comic book characters in Hollywood. Many of us toiling under the yoke of insanity have prayed to the gods for deliverance, or at least some small ray of hope. It may have arrived, thanks to the very finest of screenwriters, Tim McCanlies, who wrote the most excellent screenplay for "The Iron Giant," and wrote and directed last year's wonderful little "Dancer, TX Pop. 81" (rent it), is the man behind "Bruce." In other words, if there are any problems with the series, they won't be coming from the script. (FYI, apparently McCanlies loves "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," and is a big Frank Miller fan; "Bruce" backtracks from "Year One.") The production company? Tollin-Robbins, aka Marquee/Tollin-Robbins, who have produced TONS of TV, from HBO's "Arli$$" to one of my favorites, "Kenan and Kel" on Nickelodeon. They also produced "Varsity Blues", which incidentally was also directed by Brian Robbins. Where's it at right now? WBtv is thrilled, yea, THRILLED with the pilot script, and the muckety-mucks are mulling a network location for the show. Probably either the WB or Fox.

"FOUL DEMON! WHAT IS THE SHOW ABOUT?!?!"

Bruce, well, Bruce is having problems. You all know the history already, the guy's parents were SHOT right in front of him...he feels guilty about it, on the other hand, Bruce has always had a lot of things...come too easy. The fellow...without any challenges, well, what do you do with your day when you...don't need to do anything, and you're chronically depressed? Bruce is abroad, up to no good, and a certain butler who has always been much more than a butler intends an end to a life without direction for him. He's coming home...to a Gotham with...problems, 18 years old, returning for the first time since the death of his parents. Persons of questionable character running his family's company, police corruption rampant, and all of the fun that comes along with living in a city that's going to hell.

A good fun lot of the usual suspects is around, everyone moving through their lives on their way to their dreams and nightmares. A certain police detective by the name of Gordon might just be the only good cop around. Oh, and there are also a lot of women in Bruce's life. It's all about how everyone got to be who they got to be...but mostly, of course, how the hell does a rich kid get to the point where he dresses up like a bat and spends his time running around town whipping ass on evil? We all, every last one of us, ends up where life takes us. We become, in the end, what we MUST become, what it is MOST NATURAL to become. In some people's lives, that means dressing up like a bat. Bruce has to go from not giving a damn, to giving more of a damn than ANYONE else. In other words, when this mofo hits the air, AND IT WILL (Fall, 2000), it's going to be a keeper. This is all especially nice in light of what appears to be an upcoming season of anally-raped comic book legends on the silver screen. We will have a refuge on our beloved glowing wacky-boxes. VIVA COAXIAL!

Did the demon say anything else? The demon had to run, lest a WB exec spy it playing with the hotmail, but MORE WILL COME!!! After all, my neighbor only had so much blood to spill, I must find another...PRAISE HUITZILOPOCHTLI! YEA, PRAISE HIM, YOU FILTHY WORMS!!!

Hasta Mas Sangre,

El Cosmico

Email me at:elcosmico@austin.rr.com

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  • Dec. 1, 1999, 11:54 p.m. CST

    The WB...

    by Vincent D.

    Well, okay, so they still can't run a series with a lead over 21, but it's pretty damn cool none the less. All Hail 'Dawsonia' Pagan God of the Teenage Demographic!

  • Dec. 1, 1999, 11:54 p.m. CST

    I'm first....

    by Jike Spingleton

    That's all I have to say....

  • Dec. 1, 1999, 11:56 p.m. CST

    P.S.

    by Vincent D.

    Viva la WTO! Nietzsche would be proud!

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Year One

    by RentonMK83

    Bruce Wayne...When I first read about this yesterday, I recoiled in horror and shock at the prospect of my favorite character in the annals of fiction being reduced to a mere "action" vehicle for the latest hunk to star in. What followed were migraines and fever dreams. Visions of the show's writers fitting every single Batman villian into his past, like a law school Harvey Dent undergoing premature transformation, or a really fucked -up version of Selina Kyle/Catwoman (since I doubt anyone would have the sheer balls to giver her Miller's dominatrix-prostitute spin that makes a helluva lot more sense than betrayed secretary or bored socialite or whatever). Also, was it just me or did the postings on Comics Continuum make it seem like the show was going to entirely center on his training in Asia? El Cosmico's report made me feel a little better, especially since he says that it would take place in Gotham and rely on Miller's (who really is probably up there with Bill Finger, Batman's co-creator, and maybe Dennis O'Neil and Marshall Rogers as the one with the definitive vision of the Dark Knight) Year One framework. Written by the absolute geniuses behind "The IRon Giant", too, which gives me a little more faith. Also, the previous reports made is seem as though Batman would be no where to be seen and the entire series would be the prequel to the oft-mentioned "Year One" movie. Any clarification on that issue? I am really praying that this show is not just good, but great. I think a well-done version of The Batman could smear the wall with any other action-adventure/drama show around. They should be smart and hire the homeless "Homicide" writers, as well as import all the Batman writers from "THe Batman/Superman Adventures". They should do A LOT with the idea of a corrupt GCPD, and the whole idea that Gordon and Wayne are going through the exact same thing angle that Miller played up in Year One. Like I said, the worst thing this could turn into would be a mindless teen-starmaking vehicle. And that would be very, very bad. With Homicide and Babylon 5 gone, the only show left on television to carry the "intelligent drama" flag is Law & Order, really. I want a kick-ass Batman, but I really dont' know if I'll get it or not. Do it near-perfect or don't do it at all when it comes to Batman. Think about --- 1989's "Batman" is arguably one of the best screen adaptations of a comic book yet, and the sequels, with the possible exception of some parts of "Batman Returns", are just plain awful. If it's done right, the series could be fucking great, or it could be a world of shit. Here's to hoping for the former.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Year One

    by RentonMK83

    Bruce Wayne...When I first read about this yesterday, I recoiled in horror and shock at the prospect of my favorite character in the annals of fiction being reduced to a mere "action" vehicle for the latest hunk to star in. What followed were migraines and fever dreams. Visions of the show's writers fitting every single Batman villian into his past, like a law school Harvey Dent undergoing premature transformation, or a really fucked -up version of Selina Kyle/Catwoman (since I doubt anyone would have the sheer balls to giver her Miller's dominatrix-prostitute spin that makes a helluva lot more sense than betrayed secretary or bored socialite or whatever). Also, was it just me or did the postings on Comics Continuum make it seem like the show was going to entirely center on his training in Asia? El Cosmico's report made me feel a little better, especially since he says that it would take place in Gotham and rely on Miller's (who really is probably up there with Bill Finger, Batman's co-creator, and maybe Dennis O'Neil and Marshall Rogers as the one with the definitive vision of the Dark Knight) Year One framework. Written by the absolute geniuses behind "The IRon Giant", too, which gives me a little more faith. Also, the previous reports made is seem as though Batman would be no where to be seen and the entire series would be the prequel to the oft-mentioned "Year One" movie. Any clarification on that issue? I am really praying that this show is not just good, but great. I think a well-done version of The Batman could smear the wall with any other action-adventure/drama show around. They should be smart and hire the homeless "Homicide" writers, as well as import all the Batman writers from "THe Batman/Superman Adventures". They should do A LOT with the idea of a corrupt GCPD, and the whole idea that Gordon and Wayne are going through the exact same thing angle that Miller played up in Year One. Like I said, the worst thing this could turn into would be a mindless teen-starmaking vehicle. And that would be very, very bad. With Homicide and Babylon 5 gone, the only show left on television to carry the "intelligent drama" flag is Law & Order, really. I want a kick-ass Batman, but I really dont' know if I'll get it or not. Do it near-perfect or don't do it at all when it comes to Batman. Think about --- 1989's "Batman" is arguably one of the best screen adaptations of a comic book yet, and the sequels, with the possible exception of some parts of "Batman Returns", are just plain awful. If it's done right, the series could be fucking great, or it could be a world of shit. Here's to hoping for the former.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 12:34 a.m. CST

    (sarcastically) look!!!!! I'm 6th

    by Doctor Who

    Who cares what order were in. just comment and make the subject ABOUT the comment. Any how,I personally would love to see more comics made into movies. But the movie makers need to stay with traditional comic stories. Do you have any idea how many people have killed Batman's parents? Joker? Two face?! WHO WAS IT!It's not JUST comics that movie makers screw up...it's books too. Jurassic park for example.The BOOK was 300% better than EITHER movie.just a word for movie makes!" STICK WITH THE STORY!"

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Never too early...

    by RentonMK83

    By the way, it's never too early to throw out names for who we think should be Batman! C'mon fanboys! I'm hoping for Wes Bentley, the second-coolest person in "American Beauty" (the best person being Kevin Spacey of course, silly!) Speaking of Kevin Spacey, if they ever makes a Year One movie, he's got "Lieutenant James Gordon" written all over him. Oh, and re: the World Trade Organization ---- To quote Spacemen 3, "And I suggest to you/That it takes five seconds/just five seconds/of decision/to realize/that the time/is right/to start thinkin' about a little change, a solution, a little REVOLUTION!!" Secret mega-corporations with an unbelievable amount of global influence have never been good for anybody, and those protestors getting dragged away in Seattle reeks of fascism. Of course they had people on MSNBC defending the actions...Ministry of Information, anyone?? Speaking of conspiracy theories and comic books, The Invisibles could be the greatest show ever, but making it would take more balls than making television Selina Kyle a dominatrix. BABELiTH!!!!

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 1:07 a.m. CST

    damn you Renton83

    by Niiiice

    I thought for once there could be a decent discussion about a television show without all the orgasmic bizzare name-throwing that goes on in the Spiderman and Hulk boards. Notice that the TOPICS of those boards are CAST and DIRECTOR. This one is just the content of the show. You just sound like a newbie trying to break into the circle of "fanboys" you claim to embrace.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Does anyone else think.....

    by Niiiice

    That Batman is being done to the death by Warner Brothers? They have the movie franchise, TWO animated series, why do they need a Batman for every segment of the market? Is everyone just too paranoid about putting out new material that they have to go with the tried and true stuff until it all just wears away from overuse? Batman's done kickass for WB on the TV, are they just trying to exploit it some more? Personally, I'd rather see this part of his life dealt with as a film rather than an ongoing series. The part about him before he becomes Batman seems interesting, but after he dons the black and blue...I can already picture the Buffy-esque fight scenes mingled with witty dialog....he's a teenager right? Is this shaping up to be another teen angst against the world show? I hope not. I hope it's not going to be hip or in or down with the latest thing. Bruce Wayne should not be another Buffy....

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Sorry, but...

    by Toby O. Notobe

    Protesting the WTO is to the left what protesting the UN is to right. If you would like to know more, go to http://www.slate.com/Dismal/99-11-23/Dismal.asp for an article by Paul Krugman who heads up the economics department for MIT. Trust me, he knows a lot more than some fanboy.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Dr. Who, actually, you were fifth, because of the double poster

    by Loki Trickster

    come on, get it right. This matters to some of us. It's all we have to feel meaningful anymore in this soul crushing world. And Renton, I would actually not want Wes Bentley for this...I would prefer he stay as far from TV as possible, and for him to keep in the realm of movies. He's actually currently here in the Chicago area filming a movie called "Soul Survivor", which, in my opinion, looks like a step back from "American Beauty"...but of course, nearly everything else would be. I'm not going to namedrop...while I personally like the idea of the show, I haven't watched TV for nearly half a year now other than a random Simpsons episode once or twice a month. Believe me, it is possible...it opens up a whole new world of interactive fun...like the outdoors. -Loki

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Edward Norton as Bruce, Bruce Campbell as Dick Grayson, Johnny D

    by Powerslave

    Just thought I'd get it out of the way real early, and save some of you the trouble.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 1:36 a.m. CST

    good call, Powerslave

    by Niiiice

    Thanks, you just summarized what the next fifty or so posts will be about, my guess is they will be posted anyway. You forgot one thing though.....Bruce Wayne is 19, this is gonna be another teen-angst comedy action melodrama for the WB's lineup....thus, no one over the age of 23 is allowed to star in it unless they are the much older, but still very cool "mentor" figure. Oh crap....hope I didn't start another avalanche of younger casting possiblities.....save me!!!!!!

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 2:03 a.m. CST

    JJ BItes...

    by Niiiice

    Huh? What the hell are you talking about? Where'd you come from?

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Tonight, right after an all new "Roswell..."

    by season

    Okay, the WB might prove me wrong, but I'm thinking once the curiosity factor wears off, this show will sink faster than Michael Keaton's post-Batman career. I'm just waiting for the WB to start work on the spin-off series, "Clark Kent," which follows the exploits of a Smallville teenager who just figured out he can see through the walls of the girl's locker room in gym class. Now, if they could only get Chris O'Donnell to play the young Lex Luthor...

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 2:10 a.m. CST

    Spin-off series?

    by Niiiice

    It wouldn't really be a spin-off because Clark Kent isn't actually a character in the Bruce Wayne series himself....but I'm nitpicking.....The important thing you should be realizing Season, is that WB has a corner on the teen market. The way this pitch sounds it seems too perfect for the WB not to nab as one of its Buffy-esque show...I mean, a 19 year old guy going through the roughest times in his life, AND he's a PLAYBOY. If the WB plays it right, this TV show will SUCK (I'm not saying Buffy sucks, but I'm saying the kind of show it is doesn't fit Batman) but it will nab that teen audience. If they make it a good show, I think having it on the WB will make it suffer, because its audience is all teen and they wouldn't appreciate it.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 2:27 a.m. CST

    WTF

    by Fountainhead

    Sweet Mother of God, NOOOOOOOOOOO! Another chance for Warner Bros. to prostitute the Batman franchise! At what point will we see 'little Dickie Grayson' in diapers? Scrap this pile of dung heap while there's still a chance! Hey, I LOVE COMICS - Got a collection that I'm quite proud of, too...but this is NOT the way I want new fans to get into comics. This show will last a total of 6 episodes and then bite the big one. How often can we see a young Joker, a young Harvey Dent, a young Selina Kyle, a young Ras-ah-gul...get my point? It's just another way for WB or Fox to get the young audience's $$$$, folks! And get ready for the merchandising that will follow, too...action figures, comic books, trading cards, etc. What a bunch of hooey! And at what point will we meet the young Clark Kent, the young Hal Jordan, the young Diana Prince, the young Barry Allen, etc.? Hell, if Time-Warner REALLY wanted to go after the teen market, they'd have someone work up 'Teen Titans'....now, there's a show that might be interesting!

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Not a good idea.

    by Dave_F

    As talented as some of the folks involved are, this is a seriously ill-conceived project. In the comics and animated series, I can enjoy flashbacks to Batman's training, but only in *small* doses. It works best as a mysterious time in his life. I mean, how many interesting stories can you contrive out of Batman-in-training? Enough for a whole TV season? Two seasons? Five? I've always imagined his training to be a time of total focus. Sure, he might've made some friends, but I don't see him as socializing much, and I sure as hell don't see him as dating - this is the time when the death of his parents is still fresh on his mind. Pretty much all the interesting stuff that goes on in the world of Bruce Wayne (story-wise) happens *after* he becomes Batman. "Young Bruce Wayne" is not a strong concept.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Thats all well and good BUT ......

    by jedimaster1977

    Batman has always been my Fav character but the news of a series about Bruce Wayne scares me slightly. I want the Warner top brass to know that this character is no Clark Kent and hopefully theres no mushy dialogue like the last 2 seasons of Advent. of Superman. The idea of concentrating on pre-Year One stories is kinda fun but it can also wear out real quick ... afterall its the Bat whos more interesting ultimately not Wayne (unless we see the more private side of him A LOT)

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Interesting...

    by Kiwi-1

    I'm not too knowledgeable about Batman. I've never been a comic book reader. My sole experience with the Dark Knight is through the 60s series which I watched as a kid on Saturday afternoons, and obviously the movies (the first two of which I adored, the last two, well, you know). Anyway, coming from this viewpoint, sounds like a cool idea. I would definately be interested in watching this series. I haven't read the Talkbacks yet, so I don't know if anyone else has said this, but the main problem is how to capture the audience. How do you tell people that this is about Batman before he became Batman. Would people be interested if they don't get to see him in the suit. I would like to think so, but I doubt it. But I'm keen to see this. ***** www.homestead.com/vertigofilms/

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 6:10 a.m. CST

    Now Wait Just A Minute Here!

    by Teethclenched

    So supposedly Bruce was a young soul cast adrift, caring about nothing; getting into trouble, until Alfred set him in the direction of avenging his parents' deaths??? Wrong, wrong, wrong! The core to Batman, it seems to me, is that this poor eight-year-old kid, his mother and father killed before his eyes, FROM THIS MOMENT ON KNEW THAT CRIMINALS MUST PAY! He knew it with a child's passion and from a child's viewpoint, but he KNEW IT. And he wanted to do something about it. Unless the "trouble" that Bruce was getting into before he met Alfred is directly related to that idea, I say to hell with it. I don't need to see another sullen, directionless teenager slouching through life. I see enough of that in the real world every day.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 7:44 a.m. CST

    It might work if...

    by Bishop37_42

    Personally, I like the _idea_ of a series focusing on Bruce Wayne before the Bat. But it has to be done right and there is so narrow a margin for error on it that its probably going to fall on its face. But, I of course, being highly opinionated offer these ideas that I think might help it succeed. 1) No "super" villains. No Joker, no Catwoman, no Two-Face. The villains should all be of the more mundane kind (gangsters, corrupt cops, etc). 2) It can't take place in 1999. It has to take place in a visual past for the viewers to be able to accept it. Now, while Gotham looks like its trapped in the past, Wayne is going to travel sometime (he is a millionaire playboy) and I'll want to believe that he is in Monacco or Monte Carlo twenty years ago. 3) I never want to see the cape and cowl. For the series finale, end the episode with him putting it on for the first time. There is so much that can be covered prior to that significant event, that they can get many seasons of shows out of it. They could do an entire season out of his training in Asia, for goodness sakes. 4) Keep the cameos to a minimum. I only want to see relavent cameos, like Zatanna's father (the magician) or news stories on Gotham Broadcasting about the JSA. 5)Get an actor for Wayne that will grow into the role. Yes, he needs to be a pretty boy, but he's also got to be a mimic. He doesn't need to be muscular or a gymnast, thats going to come in time...when the show starts, put the actor in training too.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Re: Bishop

    by Dave_F

    Okay, they *could* concoct enough stories to fill a few seasons, but I still wouldn't watch it. Y'see, what sets Bruce Wayne's adventures apart from other people's, what makes him interesting is this: HE'S FREAKIN' BAT-MAN. That whole nutty, cuckoo Batman thing is the hook, and without it, he'd just be a handsome vigilante. And that's not too interesting. The WB already has something of that going on in the Angel spin-off of Buffy. Plus, as mentioned in my previous post, I see Bruce Wayne's training as being the most focused period in his life. For years on end, he was pretty much *just* training, 99% of the time - lifting weights, learning every martial art known, reading every book on criminology, etc. Okay, he probably had a few adventures and met some interesting folks, but those are a handful of isolated stories. Mostly, it was just pure, focused training. That's not enough to draw me as a viewer, and if they invent adventures, it won't seem true to the character for me. Maybe if there was a young Selina Kyle in there somewhere. Nah...

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Re: The man and his scoop.

    by Girl Ellison

    Hey SSZero babe- Maybe you just don't have any taste- which is very possible- but why don'cha consider this amigo... A good writer uses his prose to entertain, a great writer who is using his voice in a column-like situation wants people to visualize either a crazy mexian dude or a short grey haired bastard with beady eyes yelling at the world. Either way- I want my information- I want my crazy dude- and i want you to get off my compadre and his style. See this is the first time i've bitched about you being an asshole? Now can't we just be good readers and stop being petty little cunts? Eh? GE - I bring good rants to life.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Bruce's Creek?

    by Sith Lord Byron

    Let me guess. Bruce is going to be played by someone who speaks dialogue that is so bad, anyone smart enough to know what all the words mean will also be smart enough to know that they don't make any sense (in other words, do not let Kevin Williamson NEAR the script)...oh, and he'll be surrounded by a bunch of pretty young thangs (as they say down south) but won't ever get anywhere with any of them despite his being rich and handsome. The writers will write this off by saying he's a morally centered person and wants to find the right girl, but everyone in the real world will just assume he's gay...he'll have some quirk like riding around in a boat that is meant to make him seem human, but in reality just makes him seem written to seem human...and of course he'll have some sardonic sidekick to comment on everything like things are happening on TV (because they are) when he should be talking as if things are happening in real life (even if they're not). At least this time the sidekick will be an aging cultured butler, so that'll be different...maybe if this were a series being developed by HBO, I'd have a little more faith in the project. It's not, so I don't.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Things could be good if. . .

    by kaloc

    Whenever Hollywood gets hold of something there is fear in the hearts of us comic-fans. Our fears are usually justified because often the product is concieved and developed by people with no love or understanding of the characters or the method of storytelling which these characters present. Here, though, it sounds like, we have someone who loves Batman and animation

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Focus on the Man, not the Bat

    by Virtual Viking

    The idea of a superhero show where all the action isn't about the superhero is nothing new. "Lois and Clark" started off that way: When we saw Superman, he was just going public, and there wasn't much of a backstory about Supes to build on. Therefore, we see Clark Kent, his family, and the growing pains he is going through adapting to his alter-ego. The writers would have to take certain liberties with Bruce's past, but picture it this way: Bruce's parents are killed when he is in his mid-teens (hooks in the high school crowd). Angry, confused, and alone, he decides to travel the world and get away from the memories. (Exotic locales, great for keeping the audience wondering where he will go to next). As he travels, he slowly realizes his purpose in life is to avenge his parents, stop this from happening to others. (Note I said "slowly." We can see the character development, and watch as he transforms from an angry boy to a driven young man.) In the course of his travels and his subsequent return to Gotham (he has to come home sometime), he learns new skills, meets allies and makes enemies, and we see how he becomes darker, less of the playboy. He starts to practice his skills at night, using disguises, experimenting with weaponry, and befriending a cop named Gordon in a "Deep Throat" sort of role, hidden in the shadows. There would be three major transformative periods (other than the death of his parents, of course) in the first season: his return to Gotham, his decision to become the Batman (the bat flies through the window, or whatever the DC revisionist history says now), and his first appearance in the full Batman regalia. This gets us through the three sweeps periods and to a great season finale. As for subsequent seasons, we see Batman become the Dark Knight of Gotham, making some initial mistakes, improving his training (more exotic locales), and becoming a threat to the underworld. Cameos by various people (Selena Kyle, Joker in his pre-acid-bath days, maybe even a hero or two [non-metahuman]) would be fine, as long at it doesn't become the "villan-of-the-week". Avoid the campiness of the 60's show at all costs, and definitely avoid the Clark-is-Superman-and-Lois-loves-them-both dreck from "L&C".

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 11:40 a.m. CST

    It's Young Indy. Series 2

    by banshee

    nuff said.

  • Okay, I don't want the character of Bruce Wayne to be completely neglected in stories, but his character should always, always be secondary to Batman (or the training to be Batman), especially when he's young! What gives Batman's origin its strength is how extreme it is. Young Bruce Wayne witnesses the death of his parents, and vows on THAT DAY to war on criminals, to turn all his energy towards that goal - AND HE NEVER RELENTS. It's not an idea that comes to him slowly, over the course of time. It's a decision he makes instantly. An extreme concept, yes, but it's at the core of the Batman myth. Remove it, and the myth is weakened. Again, I picture Bruce Wayne essentially training non-stop from the day his parents died to the day he dons the Batman costume. Leave any adventures from those days to the realm of isolated tales.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Why all the WB bashing?

    by Everett Robert

    I mean comeon people the WB, while retaining a HIGH teen and college audience isn't just Teens and college agers(which I suspect most of us who visit this site are too)FYI I'm 22, but I digress. Sure some of the shows on the WB are pure trite, like Dawson's Creek, Popular, etc. But the WB also has some quality shows like Angel(it takes balls to kill off a major player, non-sweeps week, in the first season)Buffy(a show that continues to grow in maturity and fun)Roswell(I'm sorry I like it, it's good, it's fun, it has some legs to grow on), 7TH Heaven(quality FAMILY drama) and not to mention all the quality animation they have on such as Batman/Superman adventures, Batman Beyond, Histeria(as a one time history major it's a lot of fun to watch) I don't know about the rest of you but KIdsWB shows the Starship troopers cartoon in my neck of the woods at 7am weekday mornings and that's reason enough. for me to watch. so why don't you think the WB will be able to create a high quality show about Bruce Wayne? They've proved they can do high quality live action dramas, they've proved that the TV department at least will allow creative and tatlented people who actually have respect for the charechter to work on the show. And with the right marketing equipment the show will garner ratings, or at least critical success. And who says that this show will just feature teens in angest. This isn't Dawsons whing about his mom cheating on his dad, we're talking about a young man who bruatlly watched his parents get killed as a child. who has devoted his whole life to stopping crime. There is absoultly no way that this guy wouldn't have any angest(that's sarcasm people). And as for just casting teens the only teen roles I could possible see are for Bruce(18-22 possible) and his girlfriends(or g/f of the week as I think we all know Bruce is prone to do) and a few "friends" you have to remember despite his good looks and money Bruce is probably not the most popular guy on campus, he's a guy who broods a lot, probably has a tendecy to wear black, a bit self rightous, etc. Gordon would at least be in his late 20s more likely in his 30s. Alfred would be about the same, more likely in his 40s though. To me, at least this sounds like a decent idea, but it only has a limited shelf life. I mean how many times do we want to see Bruce Wayne get beat up and then come from behind to catch the criminals. How many times do we really want to see Gordon go against the system of the corrupt cops. How many times do we want to see Bruce Wayne late for classes at Gotham U because he was up late fighting classes? I predict only about 2 to 3 seasons worth of material here. But they would be a great high quality seasons. In fact I'd almost rather see it, not as a Movie(there's just too much material to cover a movie) but rather as a mini series. And if were to guess on the casting I'd say to not look for anyone famous in the roles. As far as I know the WB has only had one star vechile and that is Charmed.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 12:50 p.m. CST

    TheRanger RE:Scoop?

    by superfred

    TheRanger, you are a fucking idiot. None of the other sites have a damn bit of specific information like this, and in the "interview" with Paul Dini, who ISN'T EVEN INVOLVED WITH THIS SHOW, all Paul says is that he DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. This is the only place anything substantive is to be found. WHY MUST YOU BE SO STUUUUPID?

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Rocking !

    by RobinP

    Now this sounds good.......actually i figured that this might be a good premise for a series from the time Clark & Lois premiered, and focused more on Clark than Superman. This could be a darker version.......the possibilities are endless....... All hail Warners ! We're not worthy ! By the way, are we talking live action or animation here ?

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 3:08 p.m. CST

    El Cosmico's politics and ego

    by Duke

    SSzero was correct in his review of this article. El Cosmico seems to be awfully full of himself for this non-scoop. This is an old story reported elsewhere for quite some time and while Harry's narratives have a certain geeky charm to them, El Cosmico's simply is annoying. Next, Gweiro has done a great service to any fanboys who want to know what the WTO is all about. Read that article!!!!!! Based upon the length and verbosity of the narrative, I am assuming that El Cosmico is simply a trendy guy that is awfully full of himself and simply thinks it's "cool" to affiliate with a bunch of incredibly ignorant protestors. Of course, I could be wrong and it may be that a grape has never passed El Cosmico's lips. Nonetheless, read the paste from Gweiro if you want to understand economics, not El Cosmico.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Powerslave

    by sexylovebastard

    Yeah, I know it's been covered already. And sure, most of the casting PS did is right on, but I've got one change in mind. If Sarah Michelle Gellar is playing anybody, she should be Harley Quinn. Can anyone else picture her saying "Great call Mistah J!" other than me? And look at Harley with her mask off: cute and blonde. If Harley doesn't scream Sarah Michelle Gellar, I don't know who does!

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 4:10 p.m. CST

    More wrong headedness from the folks at Warner Bros.

    by Dark Knight Lite

    This could possibly work with the right people involved, but more than likely will be a complete travesty ruined by the suits who look at nothing but demographics. Either way, this relegates live-action "Batman" stories to the small screen, negating any near future cinematic adventures. Wouldn't we all rather see a major motion picture helmed by either Proyas or the Wachowski's?

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 4:16 p.m. CST

    This is a good idea

    by Blok Narpin

    This is great. After the pounding that Schumaker gave the franchise this could really revive it. The genius behind the iron giant working his magic on the Batman Mythos. Brilliant. And the WB? WONDERFUL. They have proven to be the best network around recently. Buffy and Angel continue to be the best written shows on TV on a weekly basis, and though I havent seen it I hear good things about Roswell. This could be what the doctor ordered. Now if only Paramount could think of something clever like this to juice up Star Trek...

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 4:24 p.m. CST

    fun with bs.

    by superfred

    To quote some goodness from a fine email that I and TheRanger received..."Actually, there were three key specifics in El Cosmico's report that were bonafide scoops, and had not been reported anywhere else. 1.) The "pedigree" of the show (its creator, Tim McCanlies, and producers Tollin-Robbins) 2.) The "status" of the show (its set up at Warner Bros. television, and is going out to Fox and WB for consideration) 3.) The "premise" of the show (the show is _not_ about Bruce "travelling around the world" as reported elsewhere) Furthermore, regarding your comment about Paul Dini -- how much sense does it make for someone to comment on something they know nothing about? Granted, I'm a huge fan of Dini and his work, but he had _no_ information on which to base his comments, and was just speculating. He certainly didn't have the information Cosmico reported. So, in other words, I would have to side with Superfred, and say that your Talk Back post was indeed "stupid." At least a little, anyway. ;-) Paul Alvarado-Dykstra Contributing Editor, AICN www.aint-it-cool-news.com" Your momma, Ranger! Oh, and by the way, for you fools who are dissing the WTO comment...first of all, do you really think Cosmico meant a quote like "SCREWWW THE WTO!" as a serious political argument? Man, are you guys wacko. As for the economist who people keep sweating as being the god of economics...FIRST OF ALL, anybody with half a brain and a decent education can see that this guy is just a Milton Friedman clone disguised as a liberal...spewing the sort of crap like...It's really a good thing that companies like Nike treat people in the third world like shit while they charge us a FUCKLOAD for their products so their stock price goes up, and that it's okay that we do a pathetic job combating environmental violations and slave labor in places like China and India...according to this sort of amoral bastard, it's just part of a country's natural evolution to be treated like complete SHIT by other countries that have more money. Have you even bothered to read any of this guy's other articles? There's a word for people like him, who think they can play around with the strings of international economy like gods, while people suffer at the hands of their abstract, partisan political upbringing...it's EVIL. What a bunch of assholes you are.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Batman weekly action drama series or another piece of shit like

    by Jake The Snake

    After the Batman movie series died in 1995, I couldn't help but wondering whether or not we'd ever see Batman done gothic ever again. At the time I thought a good idea would be a one hour a week action-drama series featuing dark Batman in Gothic Gotham City. Kinda like Lois and Clark but not as jokey and stupid. It would pick up where the first movies left off. We'd get a chance to see Riddler, Two-Face, Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, and Scarcrow all done gothic and not silly like what Schumacher wanted. The only problem, and I knew this was why it would never happen, was cost. All the gothic-looking sets and costumes would cost way too much money for a weekly dramatic series. Plus, you had to find an actorr crazy enough to star in an hour weekly series(hardest job in Hollywood) while wearing that 2 ton pain-in-the-ass Batsuit. However, I knew that if a network could pull it off it would be a HUGE success. Bigger than ER, Bigger than NYPD Blue and way, way bigger than Lois and Clark. Put that sucker in the 8 o'clock time slot before Monday Night football and 70 million people a week would be watching.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 4:36 p.m. CST

    I'M SICK AND TIRED OF THIS TEENY BOPPER SHIT!

    by golgo-14

    The only people who are going to dig this show are 12 year old girls who think crap like Roswell and Dawson's Creek is realistic. Jake's show sounds much better but the suits are so retarded they'd never even think about it.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 5:11 p.m. CST

    ALL HAIL LORD COSMICO!

    by froofypants

    THE STREETS WILL FLOW WITH THE BLOOD OF THE NONBELIEVERS!!!!!

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Musings about Bruce. . .

    by Lestat1

    OK, when I first heard about this I thought it was a terrible idea, but now I am kind of intrigued. This is an interesting experiment by the WB. If this show does well,I promise that the show will go from being "Bruce Wayne" to "Batman" in no time, and plans for a Batman:Year One movie will be scrapped.If the show flops, then it will quickly be cancelled, and plans will go forth for the movie franchise, without an ugly "Bad batman show" mess for Warner Bros.to have to do damage control on like "Batman & Robin". Personally, I think the movies have been done for the moment, and I would rather see a TV show with recurring villains who are not killed off at the end of each episode, and portrayed by GOOD character actors, not just the latest "in" movie stars.Gina Gershon as Catwoman, anyone? Just don't call the show "Bruce Wayne" Howabout "Shadow of the Bat" or something? Whatever the case, I am looking forward to seeing what they do.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 5:33 p.m. CST

    A talkback, and the AICN premier of the latest schitzoid, Shaggy

    by Solidus420

    Some of you may remember me from my frequent appearences on Sci-Fi IGN's letters site, and my several appearences on the GIA's Double Agent column (www.thegia.com) But, i'm here to talk about this, this ABOMINATION that the WB is creating. I thought we could actually trust you after some pretty good episodes of Buffy and Angel. Oh yeah, WATCH THOSE SHOWS! They're good. It seems that once again, the Backstreet Boyification of America has taken another step. DAMN YOU AARON SPELLING! DAMN YOU TO HELL!

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 5:39 p.m. CST

    One last thing

    by Solidus420

    I almost forgot. Whomever took the regular name Solidus: Watch your back. Or better yet, DON'T! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Brucey, the Batcave Dweller?.....

    by oneragga

    Odd, yet...promising.....hopefully will be more Batman:Year One that Ryan Caufield:Year One......

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 6:10 p.m. CST

    A couple thoughts from Robogeek...

    by Robogeek

    Howdy, folks. I just thought I'd chime in with a burst of rational thought, if you don't mind. First off, this TV series is NOT a creation of the WB (apparently, it doesn't even go to them until next week). It's a creation of Tim McCanlies, who wrote the screenplay for "The Iron Giant" (NOT, say, "Wild Wild West" or "Batman & Robin"). If that doesn't instill fanboy faith, what does? Frankly, a hard-edged, Miller-inspired, Buffy-esque "Year One" prequel series from McCanlies sounds pretty damned cool. Personally, I'd take that over "Batman Beyond" or another Jon Peters produced film atrocity any day of the week. Imagine an urban crime drama set in a realistic Gotham City following a young Bruce Wayne on his journey to become the Dark Knight. That gives me chills. Besides, it wouldn't _preclude_ a cool, great "Batman" film (i.e. "Year One") and could actually _help_. This sounds like something we should all be at least provisionally supporting until we learn more. The fact alone that this series is from the guy who wrote "The Iron Giant" tells me we should hope for the best instead of assuming the worst.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Screw "Year One" and "Beyond"! WB, go with the series!!! What ev

    by sexualchocolate1

    I seriously hope the WB goes with it other that making the mistake of making another shitty "Batman" movie. To Sony: you should do the same since it ALREADY seems "Spider-Man" is headed for a dead end. Anyway, to all you people think this is gonna be yet another teeny-series, you are out of your mind! Compare Bruce Wayne to that Dawson kid! Bruce has seen his folks killed in front of his eye, which leaves room for some SERIOUS drama. Dawson, has two chick fighting over him every week, which seems more like a "Jerry Springer" episode with un-nessecary diologe left & right!!!! If the WB goes through with this, this will probably be the best decision thay've ever made for the "Batman" franchise. Besides, if they did go with making another movie, nobody's gonna bother going to see it after that last episode of the 60's TV series...or was that a bat-flick? I dunno, I guess I forgot.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 6:26 p.m. CST

    the "scoop"

    by Duke

    I, too, recieved the e-mail setting forth the "new" items that are in this article and I will graciously concede this point. The individual with the hyphenated name who e-mailed me actually did a much better job of succinctly outlining the necessary points than was done in the rambling article. If it was El Cosmico, I would suggest writing that way in your articles. As to Superfred, first I must point out that the economist who wrote the Salon article has distanced himself from "uncle miltie" in many articles. While some of his points do reflect the Chicago school views he definitely has a mind of his own and quite a good one most of the time. Frankly, I don't care if El Cosmico was serious or not; it was a sophomoric thing to say when the "protesters" are looting stores and causing small business people and minimum-wage earners to lose millions due to their childish disruptions. If these morons really cared about the working man and weren't just shills for the AFL/CIO, they would think about that before they started breaking windows.

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 7:06 p.m. CST

    re:Duke

    by superfred

    Let's see, most of the protesters are completely nonviolent, and El Cosmico never mentions supporting violence...so you point would be?

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Solidus: The Legend of Talkback

    by Niiiice

    Haha damn boy, yeah you're a real flippin' celebrity now. "Hey, did you guys see my posts over on IGN!!!! Heehee!" Pathetic....

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Then Bruce meets a snotty valley girl named Cordelia...

    by ThunderChild

    That's gotta be how the pitch went, right? I mean, c'mon - Angel = Bruce; Doyle = Alfred; Kate = Det. Gordon... "McCanlies loves 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'" - Gee, ya think?

  • Dec. 2, 1999, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Watch it play like Lois & Clark..!

    by devil goat

    They have a chance to do this right, if all this is true. Tim McCanlies is good for this. I pray they won't try to fit in any continutiy with the movies, because if this turns out to be based on Miller's "Year One", characters like Gordon are NOT what they got shit out onto the movies as. Hell, I say adapt a mini-series STRAIGHT OFF of Batman Year One. The thing is practically a screenplay anyway, with a lot borrowed from TAXI DRIVER. Read it if you haven't, or if you're pessimistic about Batman as a POTENTIALLY great franchise. It's a shit heap now after Joel Schumacher's jizzed on it.

  • Dec. 3, 1999, 12:13 a.m. CST

    More of: It could work if...

    by Bishop37_42

    I don't know why everyone assumes that the Bruce Wayne show has to be an angsty teen romatic drama thingie. Allow me to share my vision (look at my previous post to get some other ideas of what I'm thinking). Bruce Wayne returns to Gotham in 1972 after years of growing up overseas. Wayne Industries is a war-machine corporation profiting off of the Vietnam War, run by an executive board that took power following the elder Wayne's death. Gotham itself is a haven of corrupt politicians and cops (ala Nixon era..also think of L.A. Confidential). Bruce has spendt the last several years trying to escape the memory of his parents death by giving in to the hedonism of the era, but the empty hole inside gets stronger. Pulled to Gotham by Alfred, the family butler, Bruce discovers the corruption of Wayne Industries and of GCPD and with the guidance of his old friend, begins to undertake the path that will lead him to the Mask of the Bat. Now with one paragraph, I came up with enough basic plot to drive a full season of the show. We've got non-super antagonists (Wayne Industries Board Members, Corrupt Cops and Politicians), a means for introducing his relationship to Gordon (at some point he'll need an honest law man to help remove the Board of Executives), and a direction for his initial training (detective work). Now imagine a season or two later, after he's reclaimed control of Wayne Industries, leaving a trusted aide in charge. Now he goes to Asia for his training...but keep in mind that he's an American in a post-Vietnam War Asia. Theres some potential for good storytelling right there. And as for the fellow who mentioned how die hard his training is, with 16-18 hour days and how boring watching him train would be...keep in mind that over the course of a season (22 episodes) we usually only see about 30 days worth of events spread out over a year. Bruce would have plenty of adventures to be had over that period (rivalry's with other students, dealing with prejudice and the consequences of war). And as far as the comments that Batman is the real man, and Bruce Wayne is the illusion: at this point in time, there is neither. The man who would become Batman was nothing more than a mix of sand and stones, unsure of what he was to be. It was the process of discovering himself that separated the sand from the rock and left him with the two egos.

  • Dec. 3, 1999, 12:29 a.m. CST

    To Gorgar, RE: WTO

    by Rupret

    Listen Gorgar, you uneducated idiot, if you knew any better then you would know that the WTO is the greatest threat to the bottom 95% of the population today. Because of the corporate media, that fact does not get any attention, so by any means that the WTO can be brought up, no matter how small, it is vitally important to our future. If someone like Harry writes a line like that, then there is a chance that someone who visits this site might try to find out how threatening the WTO really is, and that is a magnificant thing. But I do not expect someone like you, Gorgar, to undestand that. 'Cause as I said, you are an idiot.

  • Dec. 3, 1999, 4:03 a.m. CST

    First I poo

    by Shaka Poo poo

    Poo poo on your sister's head. Then I poo poo on your father's head. I bet he'll like it. Then I poo poo on your mother's head. I definitely know she'll like that. Poo poo poo POOOOOOOOOOOOO. Poo Poo. Hide your grandparents.

  • Dec. 3, 1999, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Young Bruce

    by Aggelus

    I personally believe the series sounds great. We get to see how a young Bruce just back from his training comes to terms with what has become of his city. How he tries not to let his dark Bat half out, hoping for another way. We would see how he gets on with Alfred after his journey, how he helps Gordon from the shadows, tries to deal with the cities coruppt businesses by setting up Wayne enterprises. They can also play on his friendship with Harvey, watch as they grow close, with us all knowing the outcome. Watch how Gordon copes fresh in Gotham. Or the romances between Bruce and young new journo Vicki Vale, and Gordon and Essen. The possibilities are endless. Topping it all off with him putting on the costume in the series finale, ready for a new movie with a novice Batman. But, this will probably never happen and the series will be complete and utter shit.

  • Dec. 3, 1999, 3:18 p.m. CST

    YW SSZero

    by Duke

    Your welcome, SSZero and to Superfred: say what? Seriously, I am glad that this is a country where we can all agree to disagree and not have to worry (too much) about the door being kicked in by the thought police. However, Superfred, "many" while not "most" of the protestors have been violent and El Cosmico's comment...which I agree Harry would not make, because this is a place for fun...can be construed as inflammatory and even revolutionary. While things have settled down in Seattle, it was not a pretty scene and fuel should not have been poured on that fire.

  • Dec. 3, 1999, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Gorgar

    by Blok Narpin

    Interesting, except you forget that with the exception of one mistake (Batman and Robin) Warner Brothers has done an excellent job with this franchise. The first 3 movies were quite good (2nd was the best, though) The animated series and Batman Beyond are EXCELLENT and the WB network has been proving itself as the best network out there today, ecpecially for fans of this genre. Buffy, ANgel, Roswell, Batman, and Batman Beyond?? All fantastic, well writeen and creative shows. So other then the Batman and Robin fiasco of '97 what makes you not trust Warner Bros.??

  • Dec. 4, 1999, 10:14 a.m. CST

    I guess its time to call it quits...

    by jedimaster1977

    I hope the top brass people at WB has got the idea that this show wont work by now ... time to go back to the drawing board i guess, oh well.... :)

  • Dec. 8, 1999, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Batman series

    by dan shaw

    I cant wait. When Lois and Clark was out, I thought that they should have done a darkly romantic ( and more serouis) show that could have focused on Bruce's many loves in comparision to the relationship betweeen L and C. After all with characters such as Catwoman, Vicki Vale, Talia, and others there would have been plenty of story material. In fact they could have followed a show like wise guy where indtead of a single episode a storyline could be developed over a month or two. Finally good things come to those who wait Dan