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So Frodo May Be In THE HOBBIT...

Published at: Jan. 7, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST

Merrick here...

This feels like the kind of story that's gonna end up being "updated" a bit, but here's what we know at the moment.  

THIS article at Deadline first insinuated that Elijah Wood might return in some capacity to THE HOBBIT; the same article  also indicates that Warner Bros. will pay "the entire cost" of the $500 million + film (can that number be right!?  Wasn't the cumulative budget of all three LORD OF THE RINGS films approx. $300 million?  Or, am I missing something?)

So, the big question becomes: how will Wood's Frodo...who wasn't a player in THE HOBBIT book (which precedes the events of the RING trilogy)...get shoehorned into this movie?  

THIS report over at TheOneRing says they now know how Frodo/Wood might be/will be integrated into the new picture.  

 

As readers of “The Hobbit” know, the tale of “The Downfall of The Lord of the Rings” and “The Hobbit or There and Back Again,” are contained in the fictional “Red Book of Westmarch.” In Peter Jackson’s LOTR films, the book is shown on screen and written in by Bilbo and Frodo and handed off to Sam Gamgee. (Not explained on film are Sam’s progeny later having the book and being Wardens of the Westmarch — hence the book’s title.)

The fictional book, and either the telling from it or the reading of it, will establish Frodo in the films experiencing Bilbo’s story. Viewers are to learn the tale of ‘The Hobbit’ as a familiar Frodo gets the tale as well.

Since the speculation is now everywhere around the interwebs, TORn can confirm that as of now, the plans are to feature Frodo in the opening sequence of the films. It is unlikely that studio Warner Bros. or Team Jackson would change the script at this point in response to the web buzz so we may have just “spoiled” December 2012 for some, but we warned you. (And, sat on the spoiler until leaks started to appear!)

As I said, I'm guessing more information about this will be coming along in fairly short order, so stay tuned?  

 

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  • Jan. 7, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST

    How about for the first update...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    you can fix the several glaring typos in the first sentence?

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 1:37 p.m. CST

    That could work.

    by rev_skarekroe

    If you make the framing device Frodo reading the book in Rivendell you could even have Ian Holm as old Bilbo.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Sorry, not really "several," but two...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...Anyway, no surprise they want to connect these new films to the trilogy as much as they possibly can.

  • maybe having Bilbo telling his tale to Frodo. Could that mean that Ian Holm might be back as well? That would be rad.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST

    $500 million could be right

    by WriteForTheEdit

    I'll bet the major-player paychecks (in front of and behind the camera) are fuck-loads higher than they were when everyone signed for LotR.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Would not surprise me

    by Yamato

    Jackson butchered the books in HIS VERSION of the LOTR (not my version), I would not be at all surprised to have Frodo in the movie. Heck, would not be surprised to have Aragorn, the Stewart of Gondor, and half a dozen major battles in it. Of, there will be added in some romance angle as well. You know, scenes that Jackson just pulls out his ass, just like he did in HIS VERSION of the LOTR.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Great Idea especially for

    by hyattmarc

    the special extended editions. i doubt they will use it for the movie but will definitely show up on blu ray. Perhaps there is away to use it as a framing device for all 5 movies in later Special editions

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Agreed

    by JAGUART

    The Bilbo-Frodo story bridge would be nice way to get things going. Ian McShane for Smaug!

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST

    That's fine, just don't go overboard

    by skycrapper

    Not on board with the whole (living) fellowship showing up. Also get McKellan, Weaving and Serkis wrapped up.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    man, i hope these movies are good.

    by Keats

    It seems that they are taking a lot of liberties with the story, which I think is actually necessary in this case to make the best possible movies. But it needs to be done just right. Hopefully Jackson will be able to pull it off.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Ugh

    by Mark

    If The Lovely Bones had been a hit there's no way Jackson would be doing this project. I'm not optimistic. The Hobbit story is nowhere near as compelling as The Lord of the Rings, I predict 6 hours of 2nd unit-level direction from Fran Walsh, and unneccessary changes to the text from PJ, Walsh and Boyens. And a desperate attempt to revive the dead film career of Orloondo Bland.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    good...

    by mediaslobber

    Wood needs the work.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 1:49 p.m. CST

    The Stewart of Gondor, Yamato?

    by Keats

    Is that like The Gary of Numenor?

  • All of the returning fellowship members that I have heard about seem like they will fit into the plot in a pretty natural way. Nothing like the Star Wars prequels, I’m sure. God forbid.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST

    here are some pics, braindrain

    by Keats

    http://tinyurl.com/34plnv8

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    What is with the annoying highlighting?

    by moorE12

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Frodo does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    (spoiler warning)Hmmm... if this were just a straight adaptation of The Hobbit book then to have the story being read by Frodo might make sense. After all The Hobbit book is exclusively Bilbo's story. There's even a point where he is knocked unconscious during the most exciting climax of the tale and Tolkein abruptly stops telling the reader what happens next. So to have it as 'Bilbos version' of the story is fine.<p> However - if PJ's film also intends to include stuff to do with the Necromancer and the further adventures of Gandalf etc then it's a bad idea. This is all stuff Bilbo wouldnt have been privvy too and so it wouldnt be included in his memoirs.<p> You follow?

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:06 p.m. CST

    The more B.S. the better.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    How else is PJ going to pad out his TWO-FUCKING-FILM adaptation of The Hobbit?

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST

    good point, cobra--kai

    by Keats

    Not sure how they are planning to handle that. Although I believe that they are planning to have Bilbo actually take an active part in the battle of the 5 armies.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST

    these bookends sound like SAVING PRIVATE RYAN

    by Six Demon Bag

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:09 p.m. CST

    dick semen fag

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    "Am I a good hobbit?"

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:09 p.m. CST

    The Ring

    by donkey_lasher

    Will we get the first version of Bilbo's confrontation with Gollum or the revised edition?

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST

    No one is f**ing up anything

    by ChicagoRonin

    The new Hobbit film and the LOTR film trilogy are ADAPTATIONS purists. The books you love remain unchanged and sitting on the shelf where you left them (paraphrasing a quote from Raymond Chandler). I don't agree with all of the alterations Jackson & Co. made, but really, do you actually think there's a way to make film versions of Tolkien's works (or anyone else's) that can satisfy everyone? They could have done a scene-for-scene Masterpiece Theater-style version that would have been completely faithful, but some may have cried that it lacked any internal life or inspiration of it's own. Or they could have done another Rankin-Bass-style kiddie version. You have to look at it this way: Jackson is making a movie called "The Hobbit." It is based on a book of the same title. It will bear some resemblance to the book, but it is ultimately Jackson's movie whether you like it or not (And I'm certain all of Tolkien's works will be adapted for the screen again someday in the future . . . maybe for holograms).

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Two films

    by donkey_lasher

    How can they pad it out? They need to make these 90 minutes - 120 minutes long at the most. There's quite a lot of story there, but I hope Jackson only gives us snippets of the wider world.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:13 p.m. CST

    how will Wood's Frodo? Do you mean "how will Frodo's wood?"

    by Dharma4

    ZIIINNNNGGGGGGGG

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:14 p.m. CST

    donker_lasher

    by Keats

    Revised, I’m sure.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Tom Bombadil

    by donkey_lasher

    If he gets shoehorned into this, I'm walking out of the cinema.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    @jewhunter - did you even READ the article before spewing forth ?

    by jazzdownunder

    They aren't "fucking up Tolkiens world", they are creating a story telling device to connect The Hobbit more visually with the previous films AND to contextualise the story... to make it clear to people that the events about to unfold (in The Hobbit) occured BEFORE the events in LotR, by using a familiar character - Frodo - reading about those events from the book that Bilbo wrote. Frodo reading that book is undoubtedly something that did happen in Tolkiens world, he just didn't write about it himself. People complain that LotR is about walking... imagine how much worse would it have been if it had been about walking and just sitting around reading books ?

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST

    No problem with this whatsoever

    by Kremzeek

    I trust Jackson and his team. The LOTR films were nearly flawless. I have no doubt adding Frodo will be done reverently and with respect to the source material. Love the book and can't wait for this movie!

  • Whatever. They’re shooting in February.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST

    $500 million is not possible, period.

    by ROBRAM89

    I don't think the people throwing that number around really understand what they're saying.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST

    I don't think I mind sticking a little Frodo...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...where he doesn't belong too much.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    I'm down with his.

    by daggor

    Would enjoy seeing Wood and Holm again. Takes the sting out of not having Holm as Bilbo in Hobbit.

  • That highlighted explanation made zero sense to me. Maybe that's why I couldn't make it through those books.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Shitty idea...

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    The Hobbit needs to stand on its own, not as a six-hour LotR flash-back. And if this is true, is TH meant to be viewed BEFORE LotR, or AFTER?!

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:28 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit will suck

    by disfigurehead

    PJ will pull a Lucas. Watch. There will be mass fanboy suicides.

  • Tons of other films have approached the $250 million range as well. $500 million is still a stupid number - seems like they could make them for much less. But it IS possible that they may be spending that much.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:31 p.m. CST

    disfigurehead

    by Keats

    I plan to bring a cyanide capsule to the theater with me just in case.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST

    A full story with LOTR

    by jimbojones123

    Would be pretty cool. That is all.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Frodo in The Hobbit(s)?

    by Jaka

    Cool. Whatever. At this point I'm really interested in what they're going to do to "frame" The Hobbit. What will go before it, or after, or even (I hope not) IN it. But I'm not going to stress about it until I've seen it. So long as they get a bad ass Hobbit film on the screen I'm willing to give them a lot of leeway with all the rest. Particularly because Peter, Fran and Philipa are involved and I know they'll pull from the existing lore as much as possible.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Yeah, if PJ fucks this up...

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    I CAN and WILL, in the theater, cut off my own penis which will proceed to spew vile amounts of Sam Raimi-style penile gore all over the immediate audience in glorious high-def 3D! At least those reDICKulous glasses will keep any from getting in their eyes, so they can keep looking at Elijah Wood and his enormous, Grond-like nosey.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST

    This would be entirely consistent

    by funkylovemonkey

    Frodo was very familiar with Bilbo's story both from having heard it from Bilbo and from having read "There and Back Again." Adding a scene where Frodo is the audience would put the story in context since the movies are being written out of order. Having Ian Holm guest as older Bilbo would be great, and would make a lot more sense then trying to put Martin Freeman in old make-up. I am curious if they will release a version of Fellowship which replaces the flashback scene of Ian Holm's Bilbo finding the ring, since they'll have to refilm that scene with Martin Freeman anyway while making the Hobbit.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST

    BTW, Peter Jackson is the ONLY person I've ever seen...

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    who looked healthier and happier when was fat. When PJ was 200 pounds heavier, he was always jolly and brimming with demented energy. Now, he always has black bags under his eyes and seems burnt-out and depressed all the time. Bring back the pudge, Peej! <p> I guess if Steven Spielberg had suckered ME into producing a trilogy of Tintin movies, I'd look fucking depressed, too...

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:41 p.m. CST

    That’s true, dinomolester

    by Keats

    He looks haggard. He must be constantly starving. I think he’d be a lot happier if he just ate a crate of twinkies or something. His hot wife married him when he was fat, anyway.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST

    frodo can start the movie ending the movie.

    by vulturess

    that should take about 3 flicks.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST

    And his movies were better when he was fat...

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    He's got like a reverse-George Lucas neck goiter thing going on, (as George's neck expands, his story-telling ability diminishes, and vice-versa for PJ)...

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST

    I could never get into LOTR

    by Ditko

    ...and I tried. I´ll keep trying to read the first book one of these years. Maybe I'm too old now, though.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Still not sure why there should be 2 films...

    by impetus

    ...but I am absolutely in love with THIS idea. It's really a beautiful way to tie the films together thematically and hopefully bring in some familiar faces. There's nothing about this idea that's pretentious or disrespectful the books - it really is right there between the lines.

  • Using the book-withing-a-book as a framing device entirely makes sense, I always assumed they'd do this, and its how I would do it.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST

    funkylovemonkey and _v_ are right...

    by HalJordan2814

    The only thing I hope they don't change is the prologue to Fellowship because it was filmed so well and any performance of Ian Holm's is so good that it's not worth going back and replacing it. Peter Jackson won't go back and alter this.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    As a lifelong Tolkien fan, I almost liked the movies best...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...when they deviated from the text. I couldn't keep myself from spending most of the time judging how they adapted favorite scenes...the mishandling of minor but beloved details pulling me out of the story. (Often) It wasn't until they strayed from the book that I could finally relax and just go with it.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 3:08 p.m. CST

    If Frodo is only in the opening scene of the movie

    by jack black

    and used only as narrator of the story i am ok with it.But if they are going to intergrate him completely in Bilbo's adventure then the hell with you mr Jackson.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST

    thejewhunter the LOTR books were for kids too...

    by jack black

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    If they adjust the prologue of the Fellowship movie

    by Ingeld

    to include Martin Freeman then that would be an ironic and somewhat apt twist. Tolkien had to adjust the scenes in Gollum's cave in the Hobbit after he wrote the LOTR. PJ and company may have to the do the opposite with the films.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    kilik

    by FlickaPoo

    "But if they are going to intergrate him completely in Bilbo's adventure then the hell with you mr Jackson" I don't think you have to worry. Frodo is a novice to adventure in FELLOWSHIP...he's heard Bilbo's stories, but the reality is all new to him. No way Jackson will undercut his own existing movie.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Will R2D2 be in it too?

    by Rupee88

    so lame they have to put characters from other movies in it to get the dumb people to make the connection and go see it. Fuck them and I'll download this from usenet.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST

    I propose,

    by Subtitles_Off

    "Who Read THE HOBBIT to Roger Rabbit?" That's got BIG DOLLAH BILLS all over it!

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST

    @ditko

    by impetus

    The books have a lot of characters and can be difficult to follow. Reading them several times as a kid and teenager, I know I missed a lot and got characters and locations confused. Keep a Tolkien guide/dictionary handy while reading to keep the characters and places straight and eliminate a lot of frustration. There are a bunch out there to choose from - David Day has written a couple nice ones that I like.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST

    The logical opening scene for "The Hobbit"

    by Fred

    is in the appendices to LOTR. Gandalfs "chance meeting" story to Gimli and Frodo upon hearing of Dain Ironfoot dying in the defense of Erebor.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Oh just fuck off now

    by alan_poon

    This is getting absurd. Why not throw Boromir and Gimli in as well while you're there?

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Re: "Outrageous" film budgets

    by WriteForTheEdit

    I remember so clearly, many years ago, standing in a magazine stand down in NYC's Lower East Side, reading a blurb about Spielberg's upcoming film adaptation of "Jurassic Park" and how the budget would be $70 million. I was appalled that a film could cost that much. It won't be long before we'll look back, staring wistfully into the distance, and think "Remember when a blockbuster double-feature could be made for $500 million? And a tank of gas was only $3.25?"

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Um... "a gallon of gas" that should have read...

    by WriteForTheEdit

    ...tank of gas for $3.25! HA! I fucking wish!

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 3:53 p.m. CST

    impetus

    by Ditko

    If I really need to keep a guide by my side as I read the book, I´m not interested at all. I know millions of people love Tolkien's work, and I surely respect it. I guess it´s just not my thing. I don´t like Pink Floyd either...Anyway, I guess you need to be a certain age to get sucked into that world. Take Catcher in the Rye, you´ll never love that book if you first read it in your 30s. My two cents, anyway.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    500 Million!??

    by jimmy_009

    Ridiculous. If that figure is correct then someone's cooking the books and pocketing a great deal of money.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Re: Catcher In The Rye

    by alan_poon

    Damn, I was thinking of finally getting around to reading that and I'm 38.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 4:11 p.m. CST

    I would have thought the logical opening for Film 1...

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    would be Gandalf sneaking into Dol Guldur, and obtaining the Key and Map to the Lonely Mountain from Thrain in the dungeons of the Necromancer...nice inciting incident to kick-off both the A-plot and the B-plot simultaneously.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Avatar cost 237 million

    by funkylovemonkey

    If the 500 million is split between two films then 250 million per movie doesn't seem like it's an impossibility.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST

    $500mill does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    The ticket price to me is the same right? The Blu Ray price to me is the same right?<p> Then pls go on and spend the extra money to make this movie extra awesome! $500 million is good news, not bad.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    alan_poon

    by Ditko

    hahaha, you should still read it, as it really is a masterpiece. Just don´t expect it to leave any impression on you. You´re an old dog now.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Another possibility

    by Keats

    is that Gandalf might be telling the story to Frodo. There is a section in Unfinished Tales where he recounts some of his memories relating to Bilbo’s quest to the hobbits while they are in Minas Tirith after the fall of Sauron. So Gandalf could potentially be the narrator for the hobbit movies. That would solve the problem of how events such as the casting out of the Necromancer could be told. Of course, then you also create the problem of not being able to tell about the events for which Gandalf was not present. We will just have to see, I guess.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Elijah Wood will probably play DROGO, not Frodo.

    by Ringwearer9

    Nobody remembers that DROGO is going to be a character in the films? It was news in the casting lists not too long ago. Drogo is Frodo's FATHER, so it would make sense for Elijah Wood to put on on old makeup and play Frodo's father. Drogo never appeared in "The Hobbit" book, but was presumably alive at the time, even if Frodo wasn't born until after the events of "The Hobbit". But that's my prediction, that Wood will play Frodo's father, and not Frodo himself. (They might mess with the timeline and have Frodo born earlier so Bilbo can say kootchi koo to him before going off on his adventure, or after coming back).

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST

    That sounds awesome

    by PorkChopXpress

    I love that idea...it ties the films nicely to the LOTR trilogy and is a good way to introduce a prequel story. As long as they don't go too far and keep going back to Frodo a la The Neverending Story or something...

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 4:42 p.m. CST

    I'd love this news if Ian Holm was cast too

    by D.Vader

    And played an old Bilbo reading the story to Frodo.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Drogo does not exist in this dogo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Ringwearer, you've obviously never seen HAWK THE SLAYER?<p> In terms of the fantasy genre you have the LOTR trilogy at one end of the quality scale. At the other end. In fact way over at the other end. You have HAWK THE SLAYER.<p> Hawk features a character called Drogo. "Drogo, son of Vultan" no less.<p> Peter Jackson has the look of a man who has witnessed HAWK THE SLAYER. No man that sees that film and lives ever looks quite the same, and I see the mark upon PJ.<p> That being the case there is NO FUCKING WAY that the name Drogo will be anywhere near The Hobbit.<p> Plus it would totally confuse Joe Public if Elijah Wood was in The Hobbit but not playing Frodo.<p> So trust me DROGO DOES NOT EXIST IN THIS DOGO.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Drogo has been announced as being played by

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    an "unknown" named Ryan Gage...TheOneRing.Net's story seems pretty sure that he will be reprising Frodo again.

  • Maybe it's just for the sake of marketing, but this franchise is like a comfortable old shoe for many people by now. Why not give them a little extra comfort, while helping the newbies from getting too confused. Personally, I hope they give Gollum a little update. By the end of ROTK, I was pretty sick of his CG mug. Part of me still thinks they should have gone with a CG-enhanced live actor, like the glimpses we saw in the origin scenes. The last stages before final-CG Gollum, I thought, were exceptional and creepy.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 4:56 p.m. CST

    d.vader, great idea

    by kevred

    That would be quite fun to see. LOTR had plenty of the gritty, "you are there" aspect. Why not wrap The Hobbit in some of that Prisoner of Azkaban-style "this is a story" gauze which can create such a nice atmosphere.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 5:01 p.m. CST

    While they've got everybody-

    by notspock2

    They should shoot the scouring of the shire - then they can re release the LOTR trilogy with ANOTHER ENDING and triple dip everyone.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Bombadil

    by veteran_of_mu

    Would get my bum on a seat. The Hobbit has always bored me to tears, but I really missed Bombadil in LOTR. It's as if they'd left Santa Claus out of the Narnia film.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 5:05 p.m. CST

    yes, great idea d. vader

    by Keats

    how’d you come up with that?

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 5:11 p.m. CST

    turd_has_risen_from_the_gravy

    by louisse

    Christopher Lee was VERY unpleased with the to be deleted scene at the beginning of Return of the King. I hope he returns, really. If its too late we can always get our CGI Lee.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Is the spoiler alert really doing anything...

    by Skraggo

    ...if the spoiler itself is contained in the headline? That's assuming that the spoiler is the fact that Frodo is going to appear at all, rather than the "manner" in which he appears. I don't know... All I know is that after several years and many viewings, I personally think that Elijah Wood is the weakest element of the movie trilogy. Sure he looks like Frodo. But I don't buy his accent, and his acting in those movies seems to consist of one sad-eyed pained expression and one doe-eyed lovey expression. It's my opinion that he was the worst casting decision of the trilogy, and I'm not looking forward to seeing him don the curyly wig and furrow his eyebrows again.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Great idea d.vader.Make it so mr Jackson.

    by jack black

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 5:19 p.m. CST

    hell, i wouldn't be worried...

    by brightgeist

    if you told me they were going to have Elijah in the movie as Frodo's grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grandson, 2000 years after LOTR, in a LOTR-based futuristic world, watching a movie adaptation of THERE AND BACK AGAIN in a 3D cinema in downtown New Minas Tirith... i'd still be sure Team PJ would do it in an awesome and respectful way :)

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 5:48 p.m. CST

    fa_tass_dinomolester, great idea about Dol Guldur! It would make a great cold open!

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Tvs-Frank

    by D.Vader

    Hey sorry dude. I sensed some sarcasm in your post so I quickly scanned up to see if you posted a similar idea. I'm at work and on my iPhone so I didn't bother to read thr talkbacks; I just posted the first idea that popped in my head. And if Frodo will be in it reading the Red Book, I'd rather see Ian Holm back in action retelling his first adventure. It'd make a nice visual comparison between him and Martin Freeman. So anyhoo, I didn't read the talkbacks, but good to know others had similar ideas, even if yours had Gandalf ;).

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Where the fuck is the Gerry Rafferty obit??

    by THE_CHOPPAH

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Why did you post what the spoiler was in the title you wanker!NT

    by Craig2574

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST

    stereotypical evil archer, thanks!

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    Wonder if Drogo Baggins, played by Ryan Gage, is going to figure into this apparent "Frodo recollection" opening as well...?

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Will he do the Puppetmaster dancey-dance?

    by GrandMuffTarkin

    Raise your knee....

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 7:30 p.m. CST

    500 millions?!!!

    by carlanga

  • things into it which were never fucking there? Easily the most annoying thing wrong (and yet the most easily preventable) with the Lord of the Rings movies.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 9:29 p.m. CST

    hmmmmmmmmm

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    i dont know about this move

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Yes, its an adaptation chicago ronin

    by Syberean

    But its an adaptation of one of the most beloved, best selling books in the English language. Jackson has shown that while he is good at managing visual effects, his skills as both an adapter and a storyteller are lacking. Jackson, Walsh, and Boyens together with all the technology at their disposal cannot write a compelling story that holds a candle to anything Tolkien typed out in his garage two fingered on a cheap typewriter in his garage in his spare time. Tolkien had a genuine life long passion for these stories. To say that these three can Improve Tolkien's writing is absurd. They missed the point of The Lord of the Rings turning it into a politically correct action adventure, with the character growth of the hobbits as an after thought at best and completelty cut out their crowning achievement, of coming into their own with the scouring of the Shire. Please no Liv Tyler!

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Spoiler Alert?

    by Stormshadow4life

    It doesn't really F***ing count when the spoiler is in the title now does it!?

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 10:50 p.m. CST

    They failed to adapt the other three successfully, why stop now.

    by wintocha67

    Watched all three films once. Read books a dozen times in my life from 4th grade currently reading FOTR right now at age 37.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Will Peter Faulk and Fred Savage be in it?

    by MurderMostFowl

    I really think this is a silly idea.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Maybe it will be some sort of a Nolan-esque mind fuck

    by lv_426

    Bilbo is telling the story to Frodo, or so we think... because in the end, it is really Gandalf telling Frodo the story. The twist is that Gandalf used his wizardy mojo to fool Frodo into thinking he was Bilbo. Then the Feebles burst forth from the trees into Hobbiton with M60's and fuck things up real good. That way, the hardcore Tolkienites will sort of get something kinda like the Scouring of the Shire, which wasn't in the LOTR film trilogy. And from the ashes rises, Conan of Cimmeria and Cthulu to clean up Middle Earth.

  • Jan. 7, 2011, 11:54 p.m. CST

    And where the hell is my gald darn HALO film????

    by lv_426

    Seriously PJ. Screw Tin Tin. We need an epic HALO film before I'm an old man with blurry vision.

  • Jan. 8, 2011, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Is Boba Fett in it too?

    by Orionsangels

  • Jan. 8, 2011, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Now that the cat's out of the bag...

    by daggor

    I have to say that putting a "spoiler" tag above a headline that contains the spoiler is kinda' useless. Pretty... pretty fucking useless.

  • Jan. 8, 2011, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Seriously?!

    by ratfarts

    Did PJ watch the turds that Lucas made for his I, II, III? I mean throwing in younger characters and trying to get C3PO and R2D2 to be major characters to "pull the story together" was a freaking joke. Are we going to see Aragorn and Arwen making googly eyes at eachother in the lunchroom too?

  • Jan. 8, 2011, 10:40 a.m. CST

    THE REAL QUESTION IS....WHY DOES THIS MATTER

    by ThisBethesdaSea

    Having the story told by Bilbo to Frodo doesn't change the story of The Hobbit whatsoever. It would make sense within the realm of middle earth and the shire that Frodo, on many occasions heard the story of the Dragon and the Lonely Mountain. I'm all for bitching and complaining when need be, but this revelation doesn't affect the over-arching story one bit, and if you ask me, only strengthens the LOTR films. shut the fuck up already purists.

  • Jan. 8, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    chacha

    by Flame_Imperishable

    changes. Tread carefully PJ. Tolkien learned a lesson when he made too many. It had to be pointed out to him that he didn't have The Hobbit anymore. Remember what he did? He made the decision to leave it alone. Wise of Tolkien, donchathink?

  • Jan. 8, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Was there ever ANY doubt it would be worthless?

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Watch as the rest of the crowd gets thrown into this garbage stew, from Sauron (and the Eye), the Nazguls and Saruman to every character who is absent from the book but IS listed in the bullet-point memo "Fan Favorites In The LOTR Movies" prepared for the executives. And maybe wait for the "Hans Zimmer & Howard Shore" credit, too.

  • Jan. 8, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Oh, and the Ents will be in it too, and two "strong female characters".

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Bet on it. Eowin's unknown kin joining them, or a revelation that Balina is actually a dwarfina.

  • Jan. 8, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    IT'S BEEN CONFIRMED EVERYWHERE NOW. FRODO IS IN THE HOBBIT

    by Orionsangels

  • Jan. 8, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST

    This just seems wholly unnecessary

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    and ham fisted. I'm blaming the mouth-breathers in the audience for this one.

  • Jan. 8, 2011, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson the new George Lucas?

    by KilliK

    maybe...

  • Jan. 8, 2011, 11:14 p.m. CST

    When did LOTR become a Peter Jackson Property?

    by conspiracy

    When the 3 films made over a billion fucking dollars and made everyone attached to them so wealthy they never need to work again..that's when. Really...it made the actors who got points in place of pay so fucking loaded they only work when they have to..or not at all. Fucks sake Liv Tyler, who had a made up, nothing role, made so much on her tiny percentage the bitch has basically made a career out of shopping for tranny clothes for her dad and allowed herself to pork out.

  • Jan. 8, 2011, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Just be happy del Toro isn't still doing this...

    by conspiracy

    you wanna see a fucked up adaption...del Toro would have REALLY fucked them up. With Guillermo in charge, The Hobbit would have ended up looking like a BDSM wet dream with "Dark" gothy fairies and shit... The Hobbit might not end up being a good film, probably won't, and it sure as fuck won't be faithful to Tolkien;...but it might have been much much worse.

  • Jan. 9, 2011, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Will Smith as Frodo

    by PTSDPete

  • Jan. 9, 2011, 7:23 a.m. CST

    $500 Million are somewhat explained by two things.

    by C A Iversen

    The New Zealand dollar used to be worth 50 cents of the US dollar. It's now around 76 cents. Inflation since the last films were made could also be a major factor in the significant budget increase if it really has got to that much.

  • Jan. 9, 2011, 11:10 a.m. CST

    I would say, that making the Hobbit . . .

    by DrMorbius

    into two movies is an obvious 'cash grab', but, at $500 million, it's already being grabbed by the F.A.G.s (Film Actors Guild), Executive Producers, Co-Executive Producers e.t.c., along with the plethora of union people, the caterers, porta potty operators, fluffers for the main cast, and 'whatnot' (TM) ftm. But please Mr.Jackson, please do not fail to include the whimsical "Tales of Bilbos Bedroom Dildo" . . . .or if need be . . .turn the Hobbit into a Trilogy . . .hell, there's another $300-$400 million right there...

  • Jan. 10, 2011, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Hullo Tailenders

    by Alice

    where ever you are. I'm so looking forward to the days ahead when we'll meet in Middle earth again.