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So Frodo May Be In THE HOBBIT...
Merrick here...
This feels like the kind of story that's gonna end up being "updated" a bit, but here's what we know at the moment.
THIS article at Deadline first insinuated that Elijah Wood might return in some capacity to THE HOBBIT; the same article also indicates that Warner Bros. will pay "the entire cost" of the $500 million + film (can that number be right!? Wasn't the cumulative budget of all three LORD OF THE RINGS films approx. $300 million? Or, am I missing something?)
So, the big question becomes: how will Wood's Frodo...who wasn't a player in THE HOBBIT book (which precedes the events of the RING trilogy)...get shoehorned into this movie?
THIS report over at TheOneRing says they now know how Frodo/Wood might be/will be integrated into the new picture.
As readers of “The Hobbit” know, the tale of “The Downfall of The Lord of the Rings” and “The Hobbit or There and Back Again,” are contained in the fictional “Red Book of Westmarch.” In Peter Jackson’s LOTR films, the book is shown on screen and written in by Bilbo and Frodo and handed off to Sam Gamgee. (Not explained on film are Sam’s progeny later having the book and being Wardens of the Westmarch — hence the book’s title.)
The fictional book, and either the telling from it or the reading of it, will establish Frodo in the films experiencing Bilbo’s story. Viewers are to learn the tale of ‘The Hobbit’ as a familiar Frodo gets the tale as well.
Since the speculation is now everywhere around the interwebs, TORn can confirm that as of now, the plans are to feature Frodo in the opening sequence of the films. It is unlikely that studio Warner Bros. or Team Jackson would change the script at this point in response to the web buzz so we may have just “spoiled” December 2012 for some, but we warned you. (And, sat on the spoiler until leaks started to appear!)
As I said, I'm guessing more information about this will be coming along in fairly short order, so stay tuned?
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you can fix the several glaring typos in the first sentence?
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If you make the framing device Frodo reading the book in Rivendell you could even have Ian Holm as old Bilbo.
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...Anyway, no surprise they want to connect these new films to the trilogy as much as they possibly can.
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maybe having Bilbo telling his tale to Frodo. Could that mean that Ian Holm might be back as well? That would be rad.
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I'll bet the major-player paychecks (in front of and behind the camera) are fuck-loads higher than they were when everyone signed for LotR.
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Jackson butchered the books in HIS VERSION of the LOTR (not my version), I would not be at all surprised to have Frodo in the movie. Heck, would not be surprised to have Aragorn, the Stewart of Gondor, and half a dozen major battles in it. Of, there will be added in some romance angle as well. You know, scenes that Jackson just pulls out his ass, just like he did in HIS VERSION of the LOTR.
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the special extended editions. i doubt they will use it for the movie but will definitely show up on blu ray. Perhaps there is away to use it as a framing device for all 5 movies in later Special editions
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The Bilbo-Frodo story bridge would be nice way to get things going. Ian McShane for Smaug!
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Not on board with the whole (living) fellowship showing up. Also get McKellan, Weaving and Serkis wrapped up.
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It seems that they are taking a lot of liberties with the story, which I think is actually necessary in this case to make the best possible movies. But it needs to be done just right. Hopefully Jackson will be able to pull it off.
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If The Lovely Bones had been a hit there's no way Jackson would be doing this project. I'm not optimistic. The Hobbit story is nowhere near as compelling as The Lord of the Rings, I predict 6 hours of 2nd unit-level direction from Fran Walsh, and unneccessary changes to the text from PJ, Walsh and Boyens. And a desperate attempt to revive the dead film career of Orloondo Bland.
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Wood needs the work.
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Is that like The Gary of Numenor?
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Jan. 7, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST
Is gaylord cast yet as Gandalf? If not then the Hobbit should be canned.
by BilboRing
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All of the returning fellowship members that I have heard about seem like they will fit into the plot in a pretty natural way. Nothing like the Star Wars prequels, I’m sure. God forbid.
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http://tinyurl.com/34plnv8
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(spoiler warning)Hmmm... if this were just a straight adaptation of The Hobbit book then to have the story being read by Frodo might make sense. After all The Hobbit book is exclusively Bilbo's story. There's even a point where he is knocked unconscious during the most exciting climax of the tale and Tolkein abruptly stops telling the reader what happens next. So to have it as 'Bilbos version' of the story is fine.<p> However - if PJ's film also intends to include stuff to do with the Necromancer and the further adventures of Gandalf etc then it's a bad idea. This is all stuff Bilbo wouldnt have been privvy too and so it wouldnt be included in his memoirs.<p> You follow?
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How else is PJ going to pad out his TWO-FUCKING-FILM adaptation of The Hobbit?
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Not sure how they are planning to handle that. Although I believe that they are planning to have Bilbo actually take an active part in the battle of the 5 armies.
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"Am I a good hobbit?"
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Will we get the first version of Bilbo's confrontation with Gollum or the revised edition?
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The new Hobbit film and the LOTR film trilogy are ADAPTATIONS purists. The books you love remain unchanged and sitting on the shelf where you left them (paraphrasing a quote from Raymond Chandler). I don't agree with all of the alterations Jackson & Co. made, but really, do you actually think there's a way to make film versions of Tolkien's works (or anyone else's) that can satisfy everyone? They could have done a scene-for-scene Masterpiece Theater-style version that would have been completely faithful, but some may have cried that it lacked any internal life or inspiration of it's own. Or they could have done another Rankin-Bass-style kiddie version. You have to look at it this way: Jackson is making a movie called "The Hobbit." It is based on a book of the same title. It will bear some resemblance to the book, but it is ultimately Jackson's movie whether you like it or not (And I'm certain all of Tolkien's works will be adapted for the screen again someday in the future . . . maybe for holograms).
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How can they pad it out? They need to make these 90 minutes - 120 minutes long at the most. There's quite a lot of story there, but I hope Jackson only gives us snippets of the wider world.
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ZIIINNNNGGGGGGGG
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Revised, I’m sure.
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If he gets shoehorned into this, I'm walking out of the cinema.
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Jan. 7, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST
@jewhunter - did you even READ the article before spewing forth ?
by jazzdownunder
They aren't "fucking up Tolkiens world", they are creating a story telling device to connect The Hobbit more visually with the previous films AND to contextualise the story... to make it clear to people that the events about to unfold (in The Hobbit) occured BEFORE the events in LotR, by using a familiar character - Frodo - reading about those events from the book that Bilbo wrote. Frodo reading that book is undoubtedly something that did happen in Tolkiens world, he just didn't write about it himself. People complain that LotR is about walking... imagine how much worse would it have been if it had been about walking and just sitting around reading books ?
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I trust Jackson and his team. The LOTR films were nearly flawless. I have no doubt adding Frodo will be done reverently and with respect to the source material. Love the book and can't wait for this movie!
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Jan. 7, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST
You seriously still don’t think these films are going to get made, braindrain?
by Keats
Whatever. They’re shooting in February.
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I don't think the people throwing that number around really understand what they're saying.
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...where he doesn't belong too much.
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Would enjoy seeing Wood and Holm again. Takes the sting out of not having Holm as Bilbo in Hobbit.
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Jan. 7, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST
I'm just going to have to trust them on this one, cuz I have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.
by AzulTool
That highlighted explanation made zero sense to me. Maybe that's why I couldn't make it through those books.
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The Hobbit needs to stand on its own, not as a six-hour LotR flash-back. And if this is true, is TH meant to be viewed BEFORE LotR, or AFTER?!
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PJ will pull a Lucas. Watch. There will be mass fanboy suicides.
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Tons of other films have approached the $250 million range as well. $500 million is still a stupid number - seems like they could make them for much less. But it IS possible that they may be spending that much.
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I plan to bring a cyanide capsule to the theater with me just in case.
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Would be pretty cool. That is all.
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Cool. Whatever. At this point I'm really interested in what they're going to do to "frame" The Hobbit. What will go before it, or after, or even (I hope not) IN it. But I'm not going to stress about it until I've seen it. So long as they get a bad ass Hobbit film on the screen I'm willing to give them a lot of leeway with all the rest. Particularly because Peter, Fran and Philipa are involved and I know they'll pull from the existing lore as much as possible.
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I CAN and WILL, in the theater, cut off my own penis which will proceed to spew vile amounts of Sam Raimi-style penile gore all over the immediate audience in glorious high-def 3D! At least those reDICKulous glasses will keep any from getting in their eyes, so they can keep looking at Elijah Wood and his enormous, Grond-like nosey.
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Frodo was very familiar with Bilbo's story both from having heard it from Bilbo and from having read "There and Back Again." Adding a scene where Frodo is the audience would put the story in context since the movies are being written out of order. Having Ian Holm guest as older Bilbo would be great, and would make a lot more sense then trying to put Martin Freeman in old make-up. I am curious if they will release a version of Fellowship which replaces the flashback scene of Ian Holm's Bilbo finding the ring, since they'll have to refilm that scene with Martin Freeman anyway while making the Hobbit.
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Jan. 7, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST
BTW, Peter Jackson is the ONLY person I've ever seen...
by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester
who looked healthier and happier when was fat. When PJ was 200 pounds heavier, he was always jolly and brimming with demented energy. Now, he always has black bags under his eyes and seems burnt-out and depressed all the time. Bring back the pudge, Peej! <p> I guess if Steven Spielberg had suckered ME into producing a trilogy of Tintin movies, I'd look fucking depressed, too...
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He looks haggard. He must be constantly starving. I think he’d be a lot happier if he just ate a crate of twinkies or something. His hot wife married him when he was fat, anyway.
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that should take about 3 flicks.
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He's got like a reverse-George Lucas neck goiter thing going on, (as George's neck expands, his story-telling ability diminishes, and vice-versa for PJ)...
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...and I tried. I´ll keep trying to read the first book one of these years. Maybe I'm too old now, though.
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...but I am absolutely in love with THIS idea. It's really a beautiful way to tie the films together thematically and hopefully bring in some familiar faces. There's nothing about this idea that's pretentious or disrespectful the books - it really is right there between the lines.
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Jan. 7, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST
Using the book-withing-a-book as a framing device entirely makes sense
by _V_
Using the book-withing-a-book as a framing device entirely makes sense, I always assumed they'd do this, and its how I would do it.
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The only thing I hope they don't change is the prologue to Fellowship because it was filmed so well and any performance of Ian Holm's is so good that it's not worth going back and replacing it. Peter Jackson won't go back and alter this.
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Jan. 7, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST
As a lifelong Tolkien fan, I almost liked the movies best...
by FlickaPoo
...when they deviated from the text. I couldn't keep myself from spending most of the time judging how they adapted favorite scenes...the mishandling of minor but beloved details pulling me out of the story. (Often) It wasn't until they strayed from the book that I could finally relax and just go with it.
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and used only as narrator of the story i am ok with it.But if they are going to intergrate him completely in Bilbo's adventure then the hell with you mr Jackson.
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to include Martin Freeman then that would be an ironic and somewhat apt twist. Tolkien had to adjust the scenes in Gollum's cave in the Hobbit after he wrote the LOTR. PJ and company may have to the do the opposite with the films.
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"But if they are going to intergrate him completely in Bilbo's adventure then the hell with you mr Jackson" I don't think you have to worry. Frodo is a novice to adventure in FELLOWSHIP...he's heard Bilbo's stories, but the reality is all new to him. No way Jackson will undercut his own existing movie.
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so lame they have to put characters from other movies in it to get the dumb people to make the connection and go see it. Fuck them and I'll download this from usenet.
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"Who Read THE HOBBIT to Roger Rabbit?" That's got BIG DOLLAH BILLS all over it!
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The books have a lot of characters and can be difficult to follow. Reading them several times as a kid and teenager, I know I missed a lot and got characters and locations confused. Keep a Tolkien guide/dictionary handy while reading to keep the characters and places straight and eliminate a lot of frustration. There are a bunch out there to choose from - David Day has written a couple nice ones that I like.
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is in the appendices to LOTR. Gandalfs "chance meeting" story to Gimli and Frodo upon hearing of Dain Ironfoot dying in the defense of Erebor.
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This is getting absurd. Why not throw Boromir and Gimli in as well while you're there?
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I remember so clearly, many years ago, standing in a magazine stand down in NYC's Lower East Side, reading a blurb about Spielberg's upcoming film adaptation of "Jurassic Park" and how the budget would be $70 million. I was appalled that a film could cost that much. It won't be long before we'll look back, staring wistfully into the distance, and think "Remember when a blockbuster double-feature could be made for $500 million? And a tank of gas was only $3.25?"
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...tank of gas for $3.25! HA! I fucking wish!
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If I really need to keep a guide by my side as I read the book, I´m not interested at all. I know millions of people love Tolkien's work, and I surely respect it. I guess it´s just not my thing. I don´t like Pink Floyd either...Anyway, I guess you need to be a certain age to get sucked into that world. Take Catcher in the Rye, you´ll never love that book if you first read it in your 30s. My two cents, anyway.
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Ridiculous. If that figure is correct then someone's cooking the books and pocketing a great deal of money.
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Damn, I was thinking of finally getting around to reading that and I'm 38.
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Jan. 7, 2011, 4:11 p.m. CST
I would have thought the logical opening for Film 1...
by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester
would be Gandalf sneaking into Dol Guldur, and obtaining the Key and Map to the Lonely Mountain from Thrain in the dungeons of the Necromancer...nice inciting incident to kick-off both the A-plot and the B-plot simultaneously.
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If the 500 million is split between two films then 250 million per movie doesn't seem like it's an impossibility.
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The ticket price to me is the same right? The Blu Ray price to me is the same right?<p> Then pls go on and spend the extra money to make this movie extra awesome! $500 million is good news, not bad.
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hahaha, you should still read it, as it really is a masterpiece. Just don´t expect it to leave any impression on you. You´re an old dog now.
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is that Gandalf might be telling the story to Frodo. There is a section in Unfinished Tales where he recounts some of his memories relating to Bilbo’s quest to the hobbits while they are in Minas Tirith after the fall of Sauron. So Gandalf could potentially be the narrator for the hobbit movies. That would solve the problem of how events such as the casting out of the Necromancer could be told. Of course, then you also create the problem of not being able to tell about the events for which Gandalf was not present. We will just have to see, I guess.
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Nobody remembers that DROGO is going to be a character in the films? It was news in the casting lists not too long ago. Drogo is Frodo's FATHER, so it would make sense for Elijah Wood to put on on old makeup and play Frodo's father. Drogo never appeared in "The Hobbit" book, but was presumably alive at the time, even if Frodo wasn't born until after the events of "The Hobbit". But that's my prediction, that Wood will play Frodo's father, and not Frodo himself. (They might mess with the timeline and have Frodo born earlier so Bilbo can say kootchi koo to him before going off on his adventure, or after coming back).
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I love that idea...it ties the films nicely to the LOTR trilogy and is a good way to introduce a prequel story. As long as they don't go too far and keep going back to Frodo a la The Neverending Story or something...
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And played an old Bilbo reading the story to Frodo.
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Ringwearer, you've obviously never seen HAWK THE SLAYER?<p> In terms of the fantasy genre you have the LOTR trilogy at one end of the quality scale. At the other end. In fact way over at the other end. You have HAWK THE SLAYER.<p> Hawk features a character called Drogo. "Drogo, son of Vultan" no less.<p> Peter Jackson has the look of a man who has witnessed HAWK THE SLAYER. No man that sees that film and lives ever looks quite the same, and I see the mark upon PJ.<p> That being the case there is NO FUCKING WAY that the name Drogo will be anywhere near The Hobbit.<p> Plus it would totally confuse Joe Public if Elijah Wood was in The Hobbit but not playing Frodo.<p> So trust me DROGO DOES NOT EXIST IN THIS DOGO.
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an "unknown" named Ryan Gage...TheOneRing.Net's story seems pretty sure that he will be reprising Frodo again.
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Jan. 7, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST
Something that evokes both Princess Bride & Neverending Story? Like it.
by kevred
Maybe it's just for the sake of marketing, but this franchise is like a comfortable old shoe for many people by now. Why not give them a little extra comfort, while helping the newbies from getting too confused. Personally, I hope they give Gollum a little update. By the end of ROTK, I was pretty sick of his CG mug. Part of me still thinks they should have gone with a CG-enhanced live actor, like the glimpses we saw in the origin scenes. The last stages before final-CG Gollum, I thought, were exceptional and creepy.
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That would be quite fun to see. LOTR had plenty of the gritty, "you are there" aspect. Why not wrap The Hobbit in some of that Prisoner of Azkaban-style "this is a story" gauze which can create such a nice atmosphere.
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They should shoot the scouring of the shire - then they can re release the LOTR trilogy with ANOTHER ENDING and triple dip everyone.
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Would get my bum on a seat. The Hobbit has always bored me to tears, but I really missed Bombadil in LOTR. It's as if they'd left Santa Claus out of the Narnia film.
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how’d you come up with that?
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Christopher Lee was VERY unpleased with the to be deleted scene at the beginning of Return of the King. I hope he returns, really. If its too late we can always get our CGI Lee.
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...if the spoiler itself is contained in the headline? That's assuming that the spoiler is the fact that Frodo is going to appear at all, rather than the "manner" in which he appears. I don't know... All I know is that after several years and many viewings, I personally think that Elijah Wood is the weakest element of the movie trilogy. Sure he looks like Frodo. But I don't buy his accent, and his acting in those movies seems to consist of one sad-eyed pained expression and one doe-eyed lovey expression. It's my opinion that he was the worst casting decision of the trilogy, and I'm not looking forward to seeing him don the curyly wig and furrow his eyebrows again.
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if you told me they were going to have Elijah in the movie as Frodo's grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grandson, 2000 years after LOTR, in a LOTR-based futuristic world, watching a movie adaptation of THERE AND BACK AGAIN in a 3D cinema in downtown New Minas Tirith... i'd still be sure Team PJ would do it in an awesome and respectful way :)
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Jan. 7, 2011, 5:48 p.m. CST
fa_tass_dinomolester, great idea about Dol Guldur! It would make a great cold open!
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
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Hey sorry dude. I sensed some sarcasm in your post so I quickly scanned up to see if you posted a similar idea. I'm at work and on my iPhone so I didn't bother to read thr talkbacks; I just posted the first idea that popped in my head. And if Frodo will be in it reading the Red Book, I'd rather see Ian Holm back in action retelling his first adventure. It'd make a nice visual comparison between him and Martin Freeman. So anyhoo, I didn't read the talkbacks, but good to know others had similar ideas, even if yours had Gandalf ;).
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Jan. 7, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST
Why did you post what the spoiler was in the title you wanker!NT
by Craig2574
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Wonder if Drogo Baggins, played by Ryan Gage, is going to figure into this apparent "Frodo recollection" opening as well...?
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Raise your knee....
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Jan. 7, 2011, 8:32 p.m. CST
Can they not just make the damn book, and stop fucking shoe-horning
by V'Shael
things into it which were never fucking there? Easily the most annoying thing wrong (and yet the most easily preventable) with the Lord of the Rings movies.
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i dont know about this move
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But its an adaptation of one of the most beloved, best selling books in the English language. Jackson has shown that while he is good at managing visual effects, his skills as both an adapter and a storyteller are lacking. Jackson, Walsh, and Boyens together with all the technology at their disposal cannot write a compelling story that holds a candle to anything Tolkien typed out in his garage two fingered on a cheap typewriter in his garage in his spare time. Tolkien had a genuine life long passion for these stories. To say that these three can Improve Tolkien's writing is absurd. They missed the point of The Lord of the Rings turning it into a politically correct action adventure, with the character growth of the hobbits as an after thought at best and completelty cut out their crowning achievement, of coming into their own with the scouring of the Shire. Please no Liv Tyler!
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It doesn't really F***ing count when the spoiler is in the title now does it!?
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Jan. 7, 2011, 10:50 p.m. CST
They failed to adapt the other three successfully, why stop now.
by wintocha67
Watched all three films once. Read books a dozen times in my life from 4th grade currently reading FOTR right now at age 37.
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I really think this is a silly idea.
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Bilbo is telling the story to Frodo, or so we think... because in the end, it is really Gandalf telling Frodo the story. The twist is that Gandalf used his wizardy mojo to fool Frodo into thinking he was Bilbo. Then the Feebles burst forth from the trees into Hobbiton with M60's and fuck things up real good. That way, the hardcore Tolkienites will sort of get something kinda like the Scouring of the Shire, which wasn't in the LOTR film trilogy. And from the ashes rises, Conan of Cimmeria and Cthulu to clean up Middle Earth.
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Seriously PJ. Screw Tin Tin. We need an epic HALO film before I'm an old man with blurry vision.
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I have to say that putting a "spoiler" tag above a headline that contains the spoiler is kinda' useless. Pretty... pretty fucking useless.
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Did PJ watch the turds that Lucas made for his I, II, III? I mean throwing in younger characters and trying to get C3PO and R2D2 to be major characters to "pull the story together" was a freaking joke. Are we going to see Aragorn and Arwen making googly eyes at eachother in the lunchroom too?
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Having the story told by Bilbo to Frodo doesn't change the story of The Hobbit whatsoever. It would make sense within the realm of middle earth and the shire that Frodo, on many occasions heard the story of the Dragon and the Lonely Mountain. I'm all for bitching and complaining when need be, but this revelation doesn't affect the over-arching story one bit, and if you ask me, only strengthens the LOTR films. shut the fuck up already purists.
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changes. Tread carefully PJ. Tolkien learned a lesson when he made too many. It had to be pointed out to him that he didn't have The Hobbit anymore. Remember what he did? He made the decision to leave it alone. Wise of Tolkien, donchathink?
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Watch as the rest of the crowd gets thrown into this garbage stew, from Sauron (and the Eye), the Nazguls and Saruman to every character who is absent from the book but IS listed in the bullet-point memo "Fan Favorites In The LOTR Movies" prepared for the executives. And maybe wait for the "Hans Zimmer & Howard Shore" credit, too.
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Jan. 8, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST
Oh, and the Ents will be in it too, and two "strong female characters".
by JackPumpkinhead
Bet on it. Eowin's unknown kin joining them, or a revelation that Balina is actually a dwarfina.
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Jan. 8, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST
IT'S BEEN CONFIRMED EVERYWHERE NOW. FRODO IS IN THE HOBBIT
by Orionsangels
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and ham fisted. I'm blaming the mouth-breathers in the audience for this one.
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maybe...
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When the 3 films made over a billion fucking dollars and made everyone attached to them so wealthy they never need to work again..that's when. Really...it made the actors who got points in place of pay so fucking loaded they only work when they have to..or not at all. Fucks sake Liv Tyler, who had a made up, nothing role, made so much on her tiny percentage the bitch has basically made a career out of shopping for tranny clothes for her dad and allowed herself to pork out.
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you wanna see a fucked up adaption...del Toro would have REALLY fucked them up. With Guillermo in charge, The Hobbit would have ended up looking like a BDSM wet dream with "Dark" gothy fairies and shit... The Hobbit might not end up being a good film, probably won't, and it sure as fuck won't be faithful to Tolkien;...but it might have been much much worse.
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The New Zealand dollar used to be worth 50 cents of the US dollar. It's now around 76 cents. Inflation since the last films were made could also be a major factor in the significant budget increase if it really has got to that much.
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into two movies is an obvious 'cash grab', but, at $500 million, it's already being grabbed by the F.A.G.s (Film Actors Guild), Executive Producers, Co-Executive Producers e.t.c., along with the plethora of union people, the caterers, porta potty operators, fluffers for the main cast, and 'whatnot' (TM) ftm. But please Mr.Jackson, please do not fail to include the whimsical "Tales of Bilbos Bedroom Dildo" . . . .or if need be . . .turn the Hobbit into a Trilogy . . .hell, there's another $300-$400 million right there...
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where ever you are. I'm so looking forward to the days ahead when we'll meet in Middle earth again.
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