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Trash Talking Kevin Smith on Twitter?

Published at: Dec. 23, 2010, 7:47 p.m. CST by AICNStaff

Hey folks, Harry here...   

 

I don't get it.  I've been watching on Twitter today in the wake of Kevin Smith's RED STATE teaser being released - and I apparently have missed the memo where it stated that I can no longer love Kevin Smith movies.

 

Now...   Like most geeks, I know...  we saw CLERKS in theaters upon initial release.   Loved it.   Visually it was rough, but that wasn't the point of the film.   It was the writing and the character work that I fell in love with.   Then I sat around as people declared Smith's sophomore effort, MALLRATS, a failure...  and I laughed and loved the hell out of it.

 

Then he made CHASING AMY, which the world went gaga for.   At least the online critic community.  I loved it too,  but it isn't my favorite Kevin Smith film.  But it might be his best.   After that came DOGMA, which alienated some, but I still was wickedly amused by it.   The quotables alone make it worthwhile.  

 

Then he made JAY AND SILENT BOB STRIKE BACK, which is incredibly fun and relentlessly funny.  Kevin was beaten about the head and shoulders about that film being nothing more than hilarious.   Where was the social commentary, where was the "truth"?  Well the "truth" was...  it was meant to be funny, so if you laughed, you got the truth.   

 

After Kevin had so much fun with that film, he got blasted - and he reacted with JERSEY GIRL.  That film was grotesquely assailed by a media that came to the table with sharpened knives and a lascivious hunger for red meat.  JERSEY GIRL is not the film that reviews claim it is.   The performances by that little girl, Ben Affleck and George Carlin guarantee that you'll be entertained.  Jennifer Lopez was fine, about what I expected from her at a time when she was beginning to really focus on her music life and less on film.   I get that JERSEY GIRL wasn't a film for Kevin's base.   But I could still clearly see a strong voice behind it all.

 

Next Kevin made CLERKS II.

 

CLERKS II is my favorite Kevin Smith film.  I think it's because it was a film about exactly where I was.   I was getting married & so was our hero.   Not only that, but I fell insanely in love with Rosario Dawson, for all time & 6 weeks beyond that.   Yoko is pretty much a dead on mix of Rosario in this, and Knives Chau from SCOTT PILGRIM.   The scene where our heroes go Go-Karting is amazing.   The inexplicable dance number was sublime.   And I was ecstatic with the film.

 

ZACK & MIRI MAKE A PORNO was a victim of the Weinstein's continual disconnect from modern film marketing.   It is hilarious.   It was about the ideas that pop into our generations' heads when the economy goes to shit and we're just trying to keep the lights on.  Noone has ever proposed to make a Porno with me.   I have often regretted this....  as I'm totally method.   But you'd have to be a humorless bitch to not laugh throughout.

 

That brings us to COP OUT.   The low water mark of Kevin's career for me personally.   When seen sober, it is very nearly intolerable...   But because we all know Kevin is a stoner...  I decided to get incredibly lit one night and see if COP OUT worked.   It does.   But man, watching that one straight - turpentine to the eyes.   It hurts.  Mainly, it comes down to Bruce Willis though.   His character just doesn't work with the rest of the movie.  It also is the least Kevin, Kevin Smith film.   

 

Kevin Smith is never a better filmmaker than he's doing HIS thing HIS way.   He's a niche filmmaker and I happen to fall into that niche.   But the lunacy of my brother onliners that seem dead set on pitching a bitchfest on Kevin.   It grates.   It grates because it feels petty and mean.   Mentioning Kevin in the same breath as the very worst filmmakers working today is complete and utter stupidity.   

 

Critics that go into his films waiting for "truth" often times miss it when it is clearly on display.   Sure there's a lot of dick and fart jokes...  maybe a gay bestiality scene or two...   but that has never clouded the truth for me.

 

Kevin Smith is very much about finding the right woman that allows you to be the grown infant that you want to be.  I completely get that.   That isn't to say his men can't deal with tough reality, they do, they do it with humor and with expressed emotion.   

 

I find myself wondering how modern critics would have handled the character repetition of the classic silent & early sound comedians.  Crying for them to grow up, to mature their films.  But do they have to do that, to do what it is they're so good at.   Ya know.   Making us laugh.

 

What's my read on Kevin's RED STATE...   I haven't a clue.   I've been staying away from pretty much all information.   With Kevin giving his writing a completely new genre to play in...  well, I am curious to see what he comes up with.   

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  • Dec. 23, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Aren't you sick of it?

    by HEADGEEK

    I'm tired of the trash-talking of KEVIN SMITH!

  • I've had such a hard time attempting to log on for weeks now. I bet I've tried thirty fucking times and finally it let me. Of course I don't' have my old user name, GQtaste, which fucking sucks. This was a huge nightmare for me and now that I've seen the finished product I don't know it it was worth the trouble.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 7:52 p.m. CST

    screw the hataz

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    kevin smith iz da man yo....werd

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Meh

    by OBESE_WAN_KENOBI

    It's just no fun trash talking Roman Polanski anymore.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST

    It's interspecies erotica!!!

    by Tikidonkeypunch

    BTW, he's one of my favorite working directors.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 7:56 p.m. CST

    yeah...uh..what?

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    Enlighten us Harry...I READ through all that rambling..yes still don't know the the fuck you're talking about. I ASSUME Kevin Smith is talking shit about you? (if so, please tell us..if not, tell us WHO)...and WHAT is he saying? I admit, it's interesting to report on it...but you miss the point when you leave the details out...no?

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 7:56 p.m. CST

    I'm indifferent about Kevin Smith

    by topaz4206

    Maybe that's worse? P.S. a per-comment viewing thingy - finally!

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Nope, not sick of it.

    by TheSpaceHerpe

    I can't stand him and most of his films. I dig Dogma and Clerks for the most part, but I just can't stand the rest. Red State has peaked my interest a bit, but just his name attached to the title will make me second guess the film.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Couldn't agree more, Harry.

    by Aragorn II

    KS is what he is, and does what he does. He's not bad at it. "It" just isn't what everyone's looking for or interested in. I enjoy being one of the folks who IS interested, because it's led to a lot of good times in the theater and on the couch watching DVDs. And I particularly agree with your assertion that anyone who lumps KS in with the truly bad directors (Boll, Anderson, etc.) apparently don't actually pay attention to the films they watch. Kudos, Harry, for calling out the douchebaggery that's all-too-common on the interwebs these days. Keep on truckin', KS.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 7:59 p.m. CST

    :|

    by A G

    Is this the finished version of the website? I mean...are you fucking kidding? I used to visit this site everyday but this is beyond awful.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Why critics may be turning against Smith

    by CountryBoy

    I think part of the problem may be his angry defensiveness on COP OUT. It got lambasted -- and Kevin actually lashed out at its detractors, with just about the weakest argument imaginable: "It isn't SUPPOSED to be good!" He was literally like "It's called COP OUT, what does that tell you?" I can't remember any director ever defending his work by trying to pre-emptively declare it crap. "I wasn't even trying, leave me alone!" Maybe disgust with his attitude has bled over into reaction to this trailer. Not saying it's fair, but critics are only human. If a filmmaker blasts them with the excuse, "I meant it to be bad, you morons!" -- they may not react kindly.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Honestly...

    by MainMan2001

    ...it's Kevin Smith. Who cares?! I don't mean that in a good or bad way. I think all the negative talk from fanboys comes from the fact that they want to be Kevin Smith and figure they can be and don't understand why they aren't. The truth of the matter is, so many of you negative nerds do nothing but talk shit about everyone and non of you have ever attempted to make a film yourselves. Once you do, you would see how incrediable difficult it actually is. Smith is a good writer of character and dia but he isn't a great visual stylist. So, what?! 90 percent of Hollywood isn't but they can't even come close to writing like Smith. His a fun filmmaker who is trying to branch out. Good for him. It's commendable of him to use his own money.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Huh? Wha? Eh?

    by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls

    Harry, you might want to provide just a bit of background info, like for example TELL US WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I've got a couple more interesting things to do in my life than "watch on Twitter", which I guess is what the kids do these days.<p> <p> I look forward to your in-depth report.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST

    So, what is this article about?

    by mistergreen

    Thanks, but I don't need the a filmography of Kevin Smith... I can read that on imdb. K.S. is trash talking about you guys? I still don't know what the f' you're talking about.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST

    People talkin' shit about Kevin Smith, huh?

    by rabidfnark

    For what? The Red State teaser? There's not enough there to form an opinion. I thought this exactly when I saw it: "Huh, look at that." However, I like/love the vast amount of stuff in Kevin Smith's portfolio. There's a misfire here and there, sure, or sometimes a joke falls flat. But when he's on he's ON. Hell, the An Evening With Kevin Smith series proves that I can just listen to him talk about his experiences and be entertained. The man has talent.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST

    by damagedinc

    "Kevin Smith is very much about finding the right woman that allows you to be the grown infant that you want to be." ...you mean an "enabler"?

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:19 p.m. CST

    KEVIN SMITH MURDERS A MAN!!

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    You know...I have a girlfriend. We go out in public alot. I have friends and I like chicks with boobs.Oh yeah,something about Kevin Smith -HARRY

  • The guy seems like a really cool down to earth one of us geeks. Hes not out to make these Oscar worthy films, he's out to make his movies and have a good time. Like all artist's he has to grow too and yes, some of his film suffer for it but there in no way these abominations you all make them out to be. Its not like the guy directed battlefield earth and just doesn't have a clue about movie making. I think alot of it is Haters just Hating. Honestly. Sure, cop out was weak, and Jersey girl while a cute film, wasn't his best, the rest of the View Askew films along with Zack and Miri, was funny as hell, has some heart and soul to it, and for my money (the ones shot in the 90's) capture the vibe of the 90's perfectly. I have yet to see a single Kevin Smith film i hated. Sure, i don't have every single one of his films on my Media shelf, but so what? I from time to time tune in to his Smodcast, which are hysterical btw, right up there with the spill crew, and the guy to me seems like he'd be cool to hang out with and not one of these hollywood snob types who thinks just because he's got a big shot job and a multi million dollar paycheck he's above his roots.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:20 p.m. CST

    also confused by hate, probably the youngins

    by BaronMunchies

    Harry, you really could have provided a little more info on the twitter bashing the headline promised, but the people ready to hate hate this movie (evidenced by rhe vehement bashing of the one sheet) just really confuse me. Watched clerks ii the other night, really enjoyed it. Just watched the clerks cartoon, which I think is fantastic.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST

    saw Clerks about 135 times

    by deelzbub

    made it a mandatory training video for my employees @ the key shop I used to manage. Good times

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:22 p.m. CST

    The problem with Kevin Smith

    by JFetch

    He does everything the way he wants without taking any suggestions or criticism from anyone else. He can't step back and see that his vision might be wrong. Also, he's only about money now. He's no longer about the art.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Slow news day, Harry.

    by MaxTheSilent

    So Kevin Smith throws another tantrum. What else is new? That trailer looked really good, though.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Heard he had another plane incident

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    Doesn't surprise me.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Jfetch

    by eric haislar

    It his art, why should he pander to you or anyone else? The fuck he is about money, his films don't make big box office. If he cared about the money he would do what you accuse him of not doing.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:31 p.m. CST

    trash talking, eye gawking pick pocket!!

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    That's all folks!

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Good on ya Harry

    by Shubniggorath

    I don't get the Smith hate.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:34 p.m. CST

    I HATE KEVIN SMITH

    by Herb

    I liked Clerks a little bit, and have liked each of his movies half as much as the previous. Never saw Jersey Girl or Cop Out. Thought Clerks II was lame. Think Smith as a person is near-pathetic. However, Red State looks very, very interesting. Looks like the same political/religious forces that scare the crap out of me scare the crap out of Smith. I will actually watch this one.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST

    I don't trash talk Smith...

    by Keblar

    I simply don't care for the vast majority of his work. I can appreciate that people like his stuff, but I hate it Smith fans are pretentious about being Smith fans. There is nothing in a Smith film that should allow you to feel intellectually superior.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Devin is pushing it

    by XeRocks81

    You should have named him in the article Harry, he's being even douchier than usual. Maybe he's jealous or something.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Huge Smith fan

    by biffy88

    Clerks 2 and Chasing Amy mean so much to me and made such an impact on my life that I just feel sorry for the haters. I feel bad that they haven't experienced what I experienced when I saw those films. Hell, I even LOVE Zack and Miri, recently saw it again the other night after buying it and still can't get over the box office "failure" of that film. Kev, if you're reading, fuck the naysayers. Surely if you're work means something special to even one person then your work is done.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Devin Faraci compared Smith to Uwe Boll

    by FunkToFunky

    He thinks that Boll is a better pure filmmaker than Kevin Smith. Devin did not say Uwe was a better writer, however, and though I agree with him in some aspects of the argument, I am still optimistically looking forward to Red State.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Oh and fuck Devin.

    by biffy88

    Cunt.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:48 p.m. CST

    I DON'T HATE KEVIN SMITH

    by Sumatran_Rat_Monkey

    Because he friggin' funny as hell. You want to laugh until your sides hurt, watch "An Evening with Kevin Smith" (the first one). If you are a film geek like myself, and enjoy Kevin's brand of humor, you will LOVE this DVD. He just needs to fight a giant spider in the third act, and maybe he will get the Twitter respect from the masses!

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Woody Allen

    by enderandrew

    Woody Allen largely makes the same movie over and over again, and makes less money than Kevin Smith does. I'm not sure why Smith is seen as the massive failure and Woody Allen is seen as this massive success. Chasing Amy remains one of my favorite films of all time, because it is perhaps the only honest romantic comedy I've ever seen. Two people madly love each other, but let stupid shit get in the way and manage to fuck it up. That being said, it is Twitter that caused me to reevaluate Kevin Smith. He went into a downward spiral and I wasn't interested listening to him bitch. I'm hoping he decided to come out swinging instead. I'm looking forward to Red State precisely because this is Kevin Smith sacking up and trying something new.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Well put SoSuaveBen!

    by Sumatran_Rat_Monkey

    Someone buy this man a pint!

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Wait a minute?

    by Bass Ackwards

    People on the internet are reacting with hyperbole to a filmmaker? That must be shocking to a film site as level headed and analytical as aintitcool. But I'm sure Kevin Smith will be relieved to see this article with Harry defending most of his films as having been, well, at the least mediocre successes, just as long as you guys don't expect much from them, I mean, hey, they're only movies, c'mon guys! And how about that Sly Stallone and Guillermo del Toro, are't they a couple of great guys too!?

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:58 p.m. CST

    SModcast is my #1

    by BaronMunchies

    shit is ridiculous and witty, and definitely resuscitated my interest in smith's brand of humor and storytelling. sounds to me like Cop Out was a bit of a pun on the fact that Smith was really disappointed with the way the film worked out. when they talk about it on SModcast, he only refers to it as "A Couple of Dicks" and I am led to believe that Bruce Willis couldnt have been less interested in making it.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9 p.m. CST

    Director?

    by Robothomer

    I thought he was just some fat fuck that complained about the airlines kicking him off planes.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Yoko...

    by MrCarrot

    Harry do we have to have a fucking "Yoko is like blah blah" in every fucking post you make? You love your wife great. You telling us she is like X character adds NOTHING to your news story and its adds NOTHING to your credability as a critic. It is however CREEPY AS FUCK. Good day sir.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Jesus.

    by Traumnovelle

    You just wrote an entire article about why you love Kevin Smith films. Great. But if you want people to understand why you love his films, YOU need to, at least for one second, understand why we hate his films. Don't say we 'missed the point' of Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. I wasn't looking for fucking 'truth' in that movie, I was looking for some laughs. And I didn't get them. Not one. THAT'S why I hate his movies. It's not anything else other than his movies don't work for me. <P> People have different tastes, Harry. You just come off as really whiny and upset in this article, and it's very unflattering.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith is an asshole

    by brocknroll

    Doesn't matter if he's a good film maker or not, he's a douche who gets all self destructive whenever he can't take criticism by people. There I said it, fuck Kevin Smith.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:07 p.m. CST

    enderan how dare you lump the man who made

    by Proman1984

    Shadows and Fog, Manhattan, Match Point, Take the Money and Run, Zelig, Purple Rose of Cairo... With Kevin Smith? Are you a fucking dumbass?

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:10 p.m. CST

    I was a Kevin Smith fan for a long time...

    by TheSeeker7

    DOGMA was probably where he peaked for me as an overall filmmaker, and I actually didn't dislike Jersey Girl. I felt it was, at best, "good". Not nearly worth the ragging it gets. And I rather enjoyed Zack & Miri. Still never seen Cop Out, doubt I ever will. Just pathetic. But it's like, thanks in no small part to the whole flying fat controversy last year, I've found myself more and more just generally annoyed by him the last couple years. For one thing, he seems to have way too thin skin [insert obvious joke here]. He seems to complain about people complaining about him too much. Oh and that he's got the nerve to say LOTR trilogy sucks, that it's way too boring, this coming from a guy who says both Episode I and II were both good movies that he really liked.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Harry...

    by Datascream

    It's because the majority of people that come to this site are people that have gone to film school or have a writing degree and desperately want to be in Kevin's shoes. He's a star wars geek that's had tremendous success and has worked with people they admire. They hate him because he gets to make the movies he wants and they hate the fact that he does it in such a simple manner that they feel he should be more 'talented' or take it more 'seriously' then what he does. He does what he wants and doesn't really let anyone else tell him how he should make it. What it all comes down to is they're all jealous that he's made something of himself and all they've done with their film degree is sit on the fucking internet and bitch about someone elses success. They'll be doing the same shit they are now far FAR down the line, and they will never have anything to show for their 'degree'. So fuck'em, I love the fact Smith keeps making movies and it keeps the haters screaming at their monitors in a jealous rage.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Who's he hurting?

    by Indiana-Joe

    I love the guy and his films (except Cop Out). He's fascinating in a lot of different ways. From getting Clerks made on his own dime to starting up his Smodcastle podcast theater, the guy screams entrepreneur. Everything he touches turns to just enough gold to satisfy everybody involved. I listen to all of the podcasts on his site at work and it's been enlightening watching him evolve over the last few years. As far as I know all the haters don't bother him anymore. He realizes he has a core group of fans that will follow him to any project and that's something most director's don't enjoy. I've never been able to grasp the concept of what makes internet bitching fun. There are tons of stereotypes about the people that do it and I'm sure a lot of them are somewhat true for a lot of these people. But all I need to know is that somebody actually would take the time to type out negative bullshit on a topic that doesn't interest them to begin with. Who needs those opinions? I already see a few people on this list that say things like about never seeing a Kevin Smith movie or having only seen one and then they badmouth the guy. I've only seen the first Twilight movie but I'm not on random websites badmouthing the other ones because it wasn't for me. Holy shit people. Who is so fucking stupid that they think they are entitled to like every movie released? And then feel entitled to piss on the ones that don't meet their "high standards". The guy makes millions of people laugh. He's going to scare the shit out of us next time. He puts money into the system and puts people to work in a difficult time. I started off trying to be civil but all the people that rag on this guy all the time can go fuck themselves for the fuckin' holidays.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST

    The best Kevin Smith movie is "An Evening With Kevin Smith"

    by BadMrWonka

    followed closely by "Evening Harder". <p> say what you want about his movies (I love Dogma, and everything else I find just OK), but that motherfucker can tell a motherfucking story. I swear to go, I know it sounds hyperbolic, but in terms of just getting up onto a stage and taking questions and turning them into story gold....he's fucking unbelievable. seriously. his story about Jon Peters and the Superman script is one of the funniest fucking stories I've ever heard. I think more people would be on Smith's side if they would see those appearances, because they would see, first of all, how smart he is, and also how genuine and articulate he is about being a normal guy that just fell into all this success. not that he doesn't deserve it, but I mean...compared to so many writers and directors, he's really a very normal guy.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST

    He's all about the money? ARE U INSANE?

    by Yourbigpalal83

    Wow, cause if so, he would do any number of projects he has no buisness doing, like THE GREEN HORNET which he was offered a chance to direct and write. He said in an interview a while back, he turned it down because his action scenes would be the green hornet and kato talking, then going off screen hearing some punches and then going back to them sitting on the hood of the car and telling more dick and fart jokes. ALSO, NOT MANY DIRECTORS MAKE LOW BUDGET HORROR FILMS LIKE RED STATE, OUT OF POCKET. Someone all about the money, doesnt do that. they take the highest paying job offered to them, regardless if they have any passion for it, makes pure crap, then cashes the check and buys a shitload of expensive crap just to show off how rich they are. Not to say theres anything wrong with a talented film maker cashing in from time to time, esp when he deserves to, as long as he's cashing in doing a film he/she's passionate about and wants to do good on. Cause not for nothing, most movies take a year or 2 of your life up if your writing and directing it. And hate to break it to you, but life is short. You got to have some dedication and belief to sit there for a year or 2 and take a movie from its inception in your mind all the way through its premere and home video launch.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Red State

    by Starcrossed_Part_2

    Does no one care to comment on how great the teaser is? Or am I in a camp of one in thinking that?? THAT is a teaser trailer as it should be. Gives away not alot, makes me want to see it right now. Touche Smith

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Sounds like titty babies fighting with titty babies to me

    by skycrapper

    Who cares! Get off the internet and go make a good movie.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:25 p.m. CST

    love kevin smith but lately......

    by Megamonki

    lately it seems like Smiths either trying too hard not to make a Kevin Smith movie or trying way too hard to make a Kevin Smith movie, it's like he's lost that Natural edge that made him successful with his early movies.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    If Smith can ever make his output match his intentions...

    by BurnHollywood

    ...He'll become a truly great filmmaker. Until then, you'll be paying to see a quick sketch of what he's aiming for.<p> The RED STATE trailer looked promisingly creepy, though, so maybe we're in for a surprise.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Change the trailer

    by Bandidoman

    The trailer you have up is flawed, it's out of sync and speed up to look like 60fps, which makes it look like cheap video. If you check the youtube account you will notice that they have a new fixed trailer up, and in 720p.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Hey

    by Quackfu

    it is working. Smith is a great guy from what I hear. Makes fun movies (usually) and isn't a arrogant prick.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    "Kevin Smith is never a better filmmaker"

    by droog

    The most accurate thing Harry wrote in that article.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:48 p.m. CST

    funny...clerks II was my least favorite...

    by yabory

    but saying a kevin smith movie is my least favorite only means i simply don't think it's as good as the rest of his flicks. i will always be a kevin smith fan. every solid director and writer has his/her bad movies and great movies....in this case, fuck the critics, fuck the haters. every hater and bitchy bitch on this site doesn't create anything. they just try to bring everything down. maybe harry is too optimistic at times, but fuck, it sure as hell beats all you negative gits.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Ya know..

    by Red43jes

    I have to say, Ain't It Cool doesn't seem to help matters with the negativity of the talkbacks. Aint it cool, do talkbacks REALLY serve any good purpose?

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:51 p.m. CST

    It's an organized smear campaign

    by KazamaSmokers

    FreeRepublic, LittleGreenFootballs, etc., are pissed that he's taking on the Right Wing Crazies.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:57 p.m. CST

    WAS GONNA FOLLOW KS ON TWITTER, TOO, BUT THEN I GOT HIGH

    by Meadowe

    LA-DA-DA! and I'm gonna watch Red State, too, know why? cuz I'm high, because I'm high, because I'm high! LA-DA-DA-DA-DA-DA-DA!

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:58 p.m. CST

    It's Jealousy

    by WolfmanNards

    Kevin Smith is very accessible because an entire generation can relate with him closely. Most movie buffs are Joe Job Wannabe filmmakers, but Smith is the one who made it. Who better to passively aggressively attack because their life didn't turn out the way his did?

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 10 p.m. CST

    A COUPLE OF DIQS WOULD'VE BEEN A MONEYRAKER TITLE

    by Meadowe

    It would've gotten people curious and the younger kids would've wanted to see it because it would've seemed taboo...as it stands it's just a buddy cop movie that lampoons the genre like Loaded Weapon 1....now I haven't seen it yet but that's what it comes off like...

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 10:06 p.m. CST

    I think he's very negative, but...

    by SK229

    I honestly hope Red State is a great film that shows a new side to his filmmaking skills. I do not discriminate in my love of seeing people rise up above the naysayers or their own perceived limitations to give everyone a swift kick in the nuts. I'm not a huge fan of Avatar, but I LOOOVES me the fact that Cameron defied all the odds and the movie made nearly 3 billion dollars. As far as the teaser, aside from looking a bit cheap at times (which could be a strength in the context of the film), I think I sense a bit of defiance in Smith as a filmmaker. Seems like a good thing... I'm definitely interested in seeing it and I never thought I'd say that about another Kevin Smith movie. BUT... the dude needs to stop being so pissy and negative. He's obviously really fucking insecure, and it shows, and I think he just gets it back in the form of miserable trolls, people calling him out on shit, and stuff like that plane incident. He's one of those people who should just shut up and move into a phase of his career where he just makes good movies... stay the fuck off twitter and the internet.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 10:07 p.m. CST

    KSmith is a great fun director

    by ColloquiallyBorn

    I need to say that I am a fan of the guy. So my opinion on him might be a little biased. First, gotta say that we all loved the low-budget Clerks. The lines were incredible, nothing we heard before, the storyline was messy but damn well worked for that kind of film. Malrats, I think is a classic. Funny as hell, introduces thing like the drowning chick, the famous handshake and more stuff to laugh at. Again made like little stories within a movie. Loved it. Chasing Amy was I think is first real take at one growing storyline not messed up with other little backdrops. An actual first film. And it worked great. Dogma, the man did it, he went all out with the religious community and he made something great out of it, even figured out the back door back into heaven! You have to be good to think it out. Even the Poop Monster worked. Jay and Silent Bob.. Nothing to say about that. Funniest thing in a long while! Then came the most despised movie of them all which got hit because of the damn Giggly movie. He didn't do Giggly.. Benifer was at it's peek and then it dropped, so Smith's movie got the backlash... Unfortunately. This was a great movie. The scene where Jen dies, gotta say that anyone who wants to argue that Ben was a bad actor never dealt with that kind of happiness and sadness all at once. I almost lost my wife when she gave birth, and I have to say that the damn thing hit me when I saw the movie and saw Ben in the corridor, can't do anything crouched down on himself... It was the exact same reaction I had when it all went down. I got a better ending with the wife pulling thru, but that moment .. Smith's writing and Ben's acting captured it. It hurts like hell. The rest of the movie was great, from great tragedy came a man and his bond with is little girl. When his dad shakes him up to let him know that she's gone but the baby girl needs him.. Wow.. That's a hell of a feeling. One of Smith's best movie, I don't care about self righteous critics that never have gone thru that kind of experience or were too self centered to deal with it. Thumbs up to Smith for that take. Clerks II.. man.. a new classic; the damn donkey, the whole taking back of the racists slurs, Rosario.. hummmmmmmm... The movie was great!!! Zack and Miri, great tone again, great movie, funny stuff and a bunch of new one-liners that makes you piss yourself. Cop Out.. well.. I think that Smith was a little quick on that writing. Probably because of the whole Willis thing. Smith says in his 37th birthday Q&A that Willis told him "You're a director, I'm an actor, let's do something.." which I think that Smith really wanted to make something really quickly and he might've let the typing go a little too fast. But it wasn't that bad. It was a good flick but nothing more, nothing less.. I still enjoyed it. Now Red State.. I saw the preview, can't say much about it since it doesn't give you much, but since this is a totally new genre for Smith, I'll give it a shot. It might be good for him to also change a little his style. I like it when directors don't have a 100Million budget at their disposal and actually do something good. Smith is one of those directors. He's doesn't make blockbusters, and creates entertainment, and if you try to look at him and compare him with the big wigs, then you're off base. Heck, look at the crap Spielberg has thrown at us, why do the critics don’t mention that War of the worlds was the worst movie of the decade? Why don’t they mention that the plane crashes on a town but the damn minivan doesn't have a scratch; that a kid goes up a hill with an army that gets wiped out by some huge explosion but the damn kid survives? There are so many things wrong with that movie that a real critic would've passed two days writing up the crap that went on in that movie. Indy 4, the latest crapfest.. Even for Indy the stunts were ridiculous, and the whole "X-Files: The Movie" ending!!? What the hell was that! Look at X-Files the movie, the ending, the ship come out from the ice and flies off.. Indy four that exact same shot, except, SAND.. Come on !! Yet Spielberg doesn't get crapped on as he should. I.E. ... Worst WORST movie of all time.. I wanted for someone to kill that little robot by the middle of the movie; and it never happened.. I would've torn off it's damn head.. So when you look at Smith.. He's been very consistent in his early flicks keeping with his genre; but now he's trying new things, he might not be great at it, but he makes it work anyways. I'm happy he's trying the Horror flick, and wish him luck!

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 10:09 p.m. CST

    kevin smith's personality

    by jb

    has always bothered me. the constant pseudo-intellectual pompous condescending tone as if he is some scholarly genius, then take a look at his toilet level writing. I know several of these types who are desperate to be perceived as smart but have done absolutely nothing to prove it other than their vocabulary. Kevin, you want to be seen as smart then write a smart movie. I seriously doubt you can.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith movies...

    by NeverTalksBack

    Totally and completely agree with you Harry. Smith's movies ALWAYS make me laugh throughout and wind up becoming comedy classics to have on my shelf. Mallrats is one of my favorite movies of all time, silly and goofy, but hilarious! I love all his films (though I've yet to see Cop Out) I've never understood the crap Smith gets for his movies. I honestly think a lot of people are jealous that the "Clerks Guy" has a career. The guy is talented. People act like it's a simple thing to write and direct (AND act... sorta) movies, especially comedy, IT ISN'T! ;)

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 10:12 p.m. CST

    I love Jersey Girl...

    by sonnyfern

    ...and I'm not even lying. There is nothing wrong with that movie at all. I'm very curious to see what he does with Red State...because horror movies are my bread and butter.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    So is this the beta version of the Red State review?

    by DigitalDong

    Feels like it. I'm guessing Harry will like it ( it's Kevin Smith, the man is an artist )

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 10:20 p.m. CST

    We're still pissed that he never....

    by cookylamoo

    Finished Daredevil/Bullseye.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST

    LEAVE KEVIN ***ALONE!*** (sob)

    by heyscot

    Harry, why did you post this? First of all, this is the Internet, an area forsaken by God and a rabid hive of scum and villainy. Second, Kevin Smith is a very successful millionaire filmmaker who has made his living doing what he loves, so why would he or you or anyone else care if a bunch of no-life children flame him on the Internet? I'm going to see his movies regardless of what retards on the Internet say, and so is everyone else.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Another director who's visually rough

    by mr.underwater

    but who's point is the writing? David Mamet. But, the big difference between Mamet and Smith is that Mamet's films are mostly good, Smith's are not. It's because Mamet is a good writer, while Smith, well... I'm sure he was the best writer in his senior high school class. Unfortunately, he hasn't progressed much since then.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Jesus Fucking Christ.

    by CatVutt

    The guy is a marginally amusing, marginally talented, marginally interesting 'celebrity', with vitually nothing on his resume that will resonate with anyone who actually bothered to grow the fuck up since the release of the admittedly entertaining 'Clerks'. Why the fuck is this even an issue? Who the fuck harbors either love OR disdain for such a universally uninteresting flab bag?

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    "Kevin Smith is all about the money"...

    by NeverTalksBack

    Has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever read on this site.... which is saying something! Please try and post on subjects you are knowledgeable on, thanks! Smith makes hilarious movies with heart, can't wait to see Red State

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 10:28 p.m. CST

    the trailer was down by the time I saw this

    by Ben Harrison

    but everything I've heard about RED STATE has made me stoked to see it. Hoping for something great.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 10:31 p.m. CST

    okay

    by Ben Harrison

    saw the trailer on HitFix, what a wonderful trailer.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 10:45 p.m. CST

    He is one of the worst filmmakers (and writers) today - and saying different

    by Professor_Monster

    - would be stupidity. When comparing Kevin Smith to those he is surrounded by at conventions and bong hits, then maybe he has a shoulder - but if you put him up against anyone else who can operate a camera the man is terrible. He is the Ray Dennis Steckler of slacker gen. One of those half assers who pass below par work off as style because the crowd he's playing to only pull their noses out of a comic book long enough to take a hit or press the Y and X button together The very fact that you (Harry) would need to pull in getting high just to find a way to defend one of his films shows you are biased. Kevin must have paid for the Tacos one night. Chasing Amy is laughable, over thought garbage where as a writer he broke the first rule - only write what you know. I can see Smith causing girls to turn gay, not the other way around. The dialogue (written to be witty) feels like a dictation vomit that when boiled down could have accomplished in one or two words. Reading this shit about him makes you look like Louren Michaels when he was trying like hell to force feed Jimmy Fallon to America -- "No, you don't get it - Jimmy's great. You have to love him!" Or like the producers of Sex in the City doing their best Hollywood Magic every week to make Sarah Jessica Parker seem attractive.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Just saw Brian O'Halloran in the hat store in the mall.

    by Matt

    His hair was all light and orangey.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 11:05 p.m. CST

    What is the fucking point of this post?

    by GrandMuffTarkin

    That people shit on Kevin Smith's directing abilities? Who cares?

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Wait, what is this article about again?

    by Billy_D_Williams

    I think I missed the point entirely? What is Harry even talking about? What happened on twitter? I don't tweet, I think it's just...stupid, so I have no idea what goes on there.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 11:08 p.m. CST

    He is a great comedian and just ok director/writer

    by Rupee88

    Dude has a great sense of humor and is a wickedly captivating public speaker/comedian. It all doesn't come out in his work but who cares..he made some good entertaining films and is able to make more ...his smodcasts are my favorite kevin smith productions right now.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Smith is getting blasted...

    by Billy_D_Williams

    because people are finally realizing he's a one hit wonder that didn't get the memo...he's a better standup comedian than filmmker...his best stuff is his Evening With Kevin Smith. I never cared much for this guy...the only film of his I can stand is Chasing Amy and that was an ice age ago. He's the M Night Shyamalan of indie filmmakers.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 11:13 p.m. CST

    KNOW WHY FARACI, NUNZIATA AND MCWEENY HATE KEVIN SMITH?

    by LeCTM1978

    It's because Kevin Smith, despite his faults, has made a career for himself as a Writer, Director, Producer and Actor while they have spent their worthless lives kissing as much Hollywood ass as possible from the comfort of their keyboards rather then actually going out and DOING THE FUCKING WORK which is exactly what Smith has done all along.<br><br>I'll tell you a secret about why they trash Smith but slobber over Quinten Tarantino, and it's not because he's admitedly a brilliant filmmaker, it's because what they worship is his success, his fame and his money. They hate Smith because he's comfortable doing his own thing while they scream to themselves "WHY IS HE ALLOWED TO MAKE MOVIES WHEN I COULD MAKE OSCAR WINNING BLOCKBUSTERS?!?". To bad none of them move away from the monitor long enough to do it, eh?<br><br>Really, we all love John Hughes but was he really a better movie maker then Smith? I maintain that Clerks 2 and Zack and Miri are as good as anything that Hughes ever made but it's like the Fat Bearded Three(TM) screaming at Hughes for not being Martin Scorcese.<br><br>In the end all those three fat pigs do is reveal what lazy and pretentious asswipes they are in their snobbery towards Kevin Smith.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Lost at Sea.

    by blackwood

    Harry. We all know your writing is powered by enthusiasm and fudruckers or whatever. But. What are you reacting to? Yes Yes I Love Kevin Too. Please give us some context, because despite the fact that I like the man's films, broadly, I have not yet given in to this terrible culture of inane vanity called Twitter.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 11:20 p.m. CST

    @lectm1978

    by TheSeeker7

    Dude you were on a great roll there, I was behind you on a lot of what you were saying, making some solid points, then you go and completely obliterate any credibility with your final thought. And mind you, I enjoyed both Clerks 2 and Z&M, but as good as any of Hughes' best? That's just plain heresy, and a very poor appreciation of film in general.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith is not a grown infant, Harry, and neither are you.

    by reflecto

    No matter how much you want to be. Thanks for the COP OUT REVIEW ALMOST A YEAR LATE. Pity you were too chickenshit to address it honestly upon release, because he's your buddy.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 11:25 p.m. CST

    So he's being trashed on Twitter?

    by _Venkman

    And Harry is trying to defend him (suck his cock)?

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Some thoughts...

    by MrPoop

    I was a huge fan of Clerks when it first came out, but have been disappointed with everything else. Dogma and Chasing Amy may have been good ideas in theory but both films play out as a lecture from multiple characters who sound like Kevin Smith. <p> After that, it was all downhill for me. I was officially finished waiting for him to grow as a film maker after watching J&SBSB(Two funny scenes I will credit, but alas, way too little for a feature- Scooby Doo and the Tracy Morgan Union Talk scene). <p> The guy can make films and podcast all he wants, I don't care. But when some KS dork says "I don't get it" or "Go watch Transformers 2 you idiot!" because I say I don't care for one of his movies gets rather old. It is like the guy is critic proof to a bunch of reactionary crybabies who fancy themselves geniuses . <p> And Smith is nowadays just a big whiner. Quote from him about Cop Out...<p> "Critics can stab at COP OUT with their poison pens all they want, but it still doesn't change the fact that it's a funny flick."<p> No Kevin, Cop Out was awful(under any type of impairment).

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST

    jersey girl is a good movie.

    by RedHorseVector

    most of the people who rag on it probably never saw it. and as far as kevin smith getting abused on twitter is concerned, that's only natural. he tweets like 40 times a day and almost all of them involve some sort of self promotion. and i don't think twitter is the best medium for him... he's a lot more funny and charming when he's talking out loud, a lot of his jokes on twitter fall very flat.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, midnight CST

    I love SModcast!!!

    by kafka07

    and his movies too. Except I won't give in to Jersey Girl or Cop Out. And I like Vulgar too (which he did not direct).

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:09 a.m. CST

    by MikeTheSpike

    What the fuck are you even going *on* about, damn it? I even wasted two minutes going over his Twitter trying to figure it out, to no avail.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Kevin didn't write Red State

    by corvette63

    I'm pretty sure he said on his Smodcast that he is just a hired director on this film. He seems real happy with it though. He did this thing where he edited the film as he went along and actually showed the movie to the cast during the wrap party. I'm looking forward to seeing it. He's not my favorite director but he's got the gift of gab. More often than not, he's funny as hell.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:10 a.m. CST

    LET ME EXPLAIN....

    by LeCTM1978

    I think Clerks 2 and Zack and Miri are equal to Hughes best work because Smith managed to balance lowbrow humor with strong emotional content. Hughes best films were about people coming to some sort of realization or making an emotional breakthrough. Smith reached that level with Chasing Amy but screwed it up with the stupid "lets all be in a threeway" scene. Take that scene out and Chasing Amy is a masterpiece. In Clerks 2 and Zack and Miri, there's not a single thing I would change and at the end of both movies I feel as though the characters have moved forward in life and changed for the better. They just make me feel the way I do when watching a John Hughes flick. That's just me.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Stopped being a KS fan after his Southwest Airlines bitching

    by SpyGuy

    To paraphrase the late Dean Wormer...Fat, high and stupid is no way to go through life, Kevin.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:46 a.m. CST

    I do get sick of the Smith hate but...

    by slimballs

    I am also sick of hearing him bitch and moan about internet critics and the politics of Hollywood. He can't go a minute without having a go at critics, which bugs me because he wouldn't have gotten where he is now if it weren't for critics getting the word out on Clerks. I don't understand why people have turned on Smith as a filmmaker, but I completely understand why they turned on Smith the person.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Smith is the most overrated filmmaker ...

    by thepentaveret

    ... working today and has been since "Clerks." Sorry, Harry. I find Smith's films amusing at best, while most lack narrative or resolve or both. I'm interested in "Red State," but I'll go in with low expectations.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:53 a.m. CST

    The reason Kevin Smith gets all the trash talking

    by VoxMillennium

    ... is that that is exactly what most of his movies, apart from 'Clerks', actually are. He may be an iconoclast for all you shut-in basement people, but basically he had one good movie in him, which Clerks was and the rest were more of the same. Whether he's a nice guy or a jerk doesn't enter into it, who cares? I thought this website was about movies, not whether we think the people that make them are cool or not??? Oh look, here's this guy who never came to grips with life after puberty hit, wow, he's one of us, we love you Kevin!!! Jeeez, get a fucking life ... or some taste in movies for that matter!

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Red State

    by PTSDPete

    Seems like a neat sea change, from the looks of things.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:03 a.m. CST

    No offense...

    by THX1968

    ...but I have never, ever dug Smith's work. I quit smoking the bud years ago, so I can't hit the stuff again just so I can enjoy his stuff. The ultimate killer for me, however, had nothing to do with his filmmaking. It was his run on Daredevil. I slogged through that with great effort because I'm a Daredevil nut, and I stand by my conviction that he missed the point of the character entirely. And he missed the point of comics entirely as well. I'm not going to go into a dissertation here, but it just wasn't good. Not everything is going to stand up to Frank Miller et al, but all those guys understand the visual aspects of the comic medium. Smith has no visual acumen in any of his work. I do like the guy. He's just like all us fans, and I do have respect for him for getting shit done because it takes considerable effort. I just don't like his stuff.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:17 a.m. CST

    ANYONE EVER READ KS' BATMAN: CACOPHANY?

    by Meadowe

    I saw it at borders and I gave it a looq....I mainly stuq with issue 3 where Bruce visits Joker in the hospital, where Joker is currently sedated. Bruce approaches Joker as Matches Malone, but Joker recognizes him and asqs him to put on his real face, i.e. cowl. I forgot if it was right away or after they had their little conversation but ks shows his trademarq style humor by having Joker tell Bruce that he saw his penis when he was changing into his batclothes. Anyway, Bruce wants to take advantage of the fact that Joker is heavily sedated and asqs him point blanq if the Joker really wants to kill him or if he's just b.s.ing. SPOILER Joker tells Bruce that he really does want to kill him, and that he's not wanting to kill him because he's crazy, it's because he's crazy because he wants to kill him. (apologies if I reversed that) Joker tells Bruce that he can tell he's disappointed with that answer, and some other crap. You can tell by this conversation that KS was inspired by the interrogation scene between the two in The Dark Knight. I can't thinq of the punchlines, but the conversation had some lines that you could tell were from KS, like Joker telling Batman that all he could remember before going to the hospital was Batman carrying him..."Costerning him" or something to that affect, obviously eluding to Kevin Coster in The Bodyguard...Anyway I was aiming to get that single issue (#3) but it has been sold out at my local comiq booq store and I don't have the $ to get the trade, but I would recommend to anyone to at least do what I did and give it a quick glance. My personal fave Joker story that I've read is The Man Who Laughs, although admittedly I haven't read that many, but this was an entertaining read.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:24 a.m. CST

    He needs to lose the thin skin

    by DougMcKenzie

    seriously his attacks back at the critics will not end well. Also he needs to step away from the Weinsteins as well. I like quite a bit of Zack and Miri, and I read about Kevin's severe depression at it's B.O. failure, which is 100% on the Weinsteins for marketing it incorrectly and releasing it at the completely wrong time of year. They might give him the freedom he likes but they treat him like shit in the process. Kevin's falling out with Affleck was because Ben told off Harvey and Kevin took Harvey's side. If he had stuck with his friend rather than his boss, then right now Ben could probably get a movie of his produced anywhere in town.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Clerks II was absolute crap, so of course Harry loved it

    by Cash907

    Still holding onto that mutual fat man love for Smith, eh? Sorry dude, but Kevin went to shit after Jay and Silent Bob. He just lost his will to make real movies, and instead decided to be a sloppy pot head.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Never saw Zack and Miri...

    by kungfuhustler84

    But my Dad of all people told me today that I need to see it, so I guess I'm gonna have to, since he has great taste in movies. He's not a nerd like the AICN crew, but he likes Kubrick, and we're going to see True Grit tomorrow. I really enjoyed Clerks II, mostly because Rosario Dawson is a peach. Also, I recently saw Mallrats for the first time a few months ago, and I liked that too. I would love to get a bike helmet with bat-ears. Jay and Silent Bob was the first Smith movie I saw (when I was 12 or 13) and I was the perfect age. I LOVED that movie then and I still like it now. Hot chicks, dirty jokes, lightsaber fights, MArk Hamill, an orangutan, WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT? Needless to say, I was hooked. I'm not a fan of all his movies, but the ones I have seen left an impact. I distinctly remember when the little girl does Sweeney Todd in Jersey Girl. That kicked off my love of the musical!

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:43 a.m. CST

    meadowe

    by kungfuhustler84

    I'm pretty sure Cacophony came out before The Dark Knight was released, but yeah, that's a good moment.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:45 a.m. CST

    lectm1978

    by Billy_D_Williams

    John Hughes was far and away a much better filmmaker than Smith could ever hope to be. The Breakfast Club, Weird Science, Ferris Bueller? Those are fucking comedy classics people are still laughing at. In 20 years the movie people will still be talking about that Kevin Smith has made is...wait, nobody is going to be talking about any of his movies in 20 years. And I'll let everybody in on a little secret...the only reason Smith has a career is because Harvey Weinstein was afraid of the rumors that he was getting soft on indies and preferring to make nothing but oscar bait dramas...so he picked up Clerks to regain some indie street cred, not because it was a good movie (it's not)...Smith shouldn't even have a career, he got beyond lucky, he was a freak accident. The guy is charismatic and can write witty dialogue, but that's ALL...he should be a staff writer for Jay Leno at best.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:48 a.m. CST

    gee billy d

    by kungfuhustler84

    Do I detect jealousy, maybe a wee bit o the ol' bitterness?

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:49 a.m. CST

    You know why people dislike him now?

    by conspiracy

    Because through all of these social media sites we've gotten to know him...and honestly the guy is a total whining narcissist. I loved "Clerks", I identified with that film at age 20something as I was working in a liquor store and banging the customers daughters. And I liked Chasing Amy. The rest of his work just kinda slipped by me in a haze... But the fucker has alienated so many people, and often in ways that have NOTHING to do with his films. His Twitter account is almost troll like with the constant 100 tweets a day seeking attention, whining, lashing out at everyone from the hands that feed him to the airlines that cart his fat ass around...that baiting him and taunting him has become sport...even to those that used to enjoy his work. You know what they say..."never meet your "Heros" you might be disappointed"; well "never get get to know the inner thoughts of the people who entertain you lest it taint your enjoyment of their work" should also be added to that truism.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Harry

    by kungfuhustler84

    I don't think saying a movie is better with pot is helping at all. If you have to rely on substances to improve a film experience, it's probably not all that good to begin with.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Conspiracy said it best...

    by fettitular

    Kevin Smith is a fantastically overrated "film-maker". Good god, i hate to even use that term when describing him... Truth is, i didn't even enjoy Clerks. His "style" was already grating on me then, and he hasn't changed one bit... And to all this silly talk of "jealousy"?? What the fuck is that all about? Who in their right mind would be jealous of this whiny, narcissistic bastard? There are film-makers that i love (Spielberg, Cameron, Fincher, etc.) which i desire to EMULATE, rather than to be jealous of their success. And there are film-makers i can't stand (Paul Anderson, Ratner, Boll, Smith, etc.) that are just untalented shitheads. But i'm not "jealous" of them, like they're taking up spots in "the biz" that are keeping me out of hollywood or some such nonsense. I just hate to see the art of cinema tarnished over and over again with these dumbfucks who clearly have no idea about what constitutes a good film. They lack artistic integrity. It also doesn't help when they are also douchebags in real life (Ratner, Boll, Smith...) Jealous my fucking ass...

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 2:24 a.m. CST

    lol @ twitter.

    by alice133

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 2:24 a.m. CST

    Furthermore, on jealousy...

    by fettitular

    Maybe it has something to do with the fact that i am nothing like Smith. i.e. i'm not OBESE, narcissistic, or a "geek" in the classical sense. Maybe there are stereotypical geeks, like smith, that are in fact jealous of his career, because he is "one of them"... i'll concede that. But in my case, personally, it sure as hell ain't jealousy lol

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 2:27 a.m. CST

    alice...

    by fettitular

    Agreed. Twitter is "teh gay", is it not? Goddamn kids and their twitters... *GRUMBLES INCOHERENTLY*

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 2:39 a.m. CST

    I'm sick of people

    by eighttwelve

    claiming he's a genius as well. Dogma is far and away his best movie imo, but none of them are incredible cinema. They're more like solid student films.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Jersey Girl and Cop Out was ass, the rest I can dig

    by David Cloverfield

    Dogma... I can't believe that movie got made. Looking at religion through Marvel comics... For that film alone, I don't get how someone who visits this site can hate the guy. Not to mention the Clerks movies.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Kevin is great

    by Obscura

    Kevin Smith has never put a foot wrong... aside from cop out, but if you listen to his podcasts, he just needed to do SOMETHING, or we would have never seen another smith movie again. I even love jersey girl, its a great movie as long as you dont expect it to be something before you see it. I think the same will happen with Red State, which i cant wait for. Smith is giving a fantastic level of access to the behind the scenes stuff on his site, well worth checking out.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 2:56 a.m. CST

    kungfuhustler84

    by Billy_D_Williams

    it's not jealousy when you're stating facts. Smith sucks, it's a fact, there's no disputing it. even his fans are sick of him. his 15 minutes are over. he had a cult following and like his buddy Richard kelly, flushed it down the toilet with shitty followup movies. the guy should be packing meat, not making films...or just become a working screenwriter, doing dialogue polishes, a script doctor like Carrie Fischer...those guys make alot of money and we dont have to listen to them whine about how fat and miserable they are.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Point = People have opinions?

    by Larry Sellers

    And some are wrong? Huh. I love Kevin Smith, but...ugh. I mean I don't come here for journalistic integrity, but why tell people they're "wrong" for hating Smith? Lame.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:04 a.m. CST

    i've never understood the love for this guy

    by Billy_D_Williams

    he made one decent movie, Chasing Amy...everything else sucks...Clerks was horrible, barely a film, not even competently made, it didn't even show promise, it was just some witty dialogue recited by non actors against bland backgrounds and no camera movement or creativity. A movie like "Pi" showed promise, same budget, totally different experience...obviously it's a different movie, but what im saying is, you could see promise in Aronofsky, you knew he was great...when I saw Clerks, i wondered what the fuck everybody was raving about. witty dialogue, everything else sucks...thats not a movie, that's witty dialogue in boring screenplay...like half Tarantino...barely. But QT knows how to direct actors, move the camera, how to pace a movie, how to put the right music in...Smith can't do any of that...so really he's like 1/8 Taratino...barely. i honestly do not understand this guy's success...he's a product of very clever marketing. Dogma sucked, Jay/Bob sucked, I never saw Jersey Girl...Zack and Miri sucked...never bothered with Cop Out but I can guess what my answer would be. i wish Smith would just stick to touring college campuses and dishing out stories about celebs. thats what he's good at, not making fucking movies.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Holy SHIT

    by fettitular

    Billy D just made the fucking post of the year! My thoughts exactly... Especially in regards to Clerks. God, what a terrible "film".

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:15 a.m. CST

    And Billy D...

    by fettitular

    Good fucking call about Richard Kelly. Definitely the Sci-Fi equivalent of kevin smith. Overrated, pompous, no talent, film-school reject, sonofabitch!

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:17 a.m. CST

    Donnie Darko can go...

    by fettitular

    Fuck itself... right up it's preachy/self-aware ASS

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:24 a.m. CST

    I posit...

    by fettitular

    that all kevin smith fans are also richard kelly fans, and vice versa. Same style of horribly stilted and self-aware dialogue, both make movies that are about absolutely NOTHING (even if they appear to be about SOMETHING, on the surface...), and both individuals think that their movies are God's gift to cinema (bloated egos). Hurrmmm... I think i may be on to something...

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:43 a.m. CST

    new talkbacks suck

    by Potatino

    having to open up every post in order to read it. one bye one. is painful. Its less usable and nice for me. Part of the reason I'm visiting less often. As for kevin smith, he's ok, but to be honest I don't care either way. The last time I saw his name attatched to a movie and thought "ooh I have to see this" was Zach and Miri make a porno. A long time ago. Cop was crap. I'm sure most movies are great when you are stoned. I mean staring off into space can be fun when you are stoned.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:43 a.m. CST

    It took him two decades to attempt an actual film

    by 1997-2011

    the dude is just lucky to have made it in film business in the first place. who wastes all that to keep doing movies about snowballing or ass to mouth or whatever.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Poor millionaire who has the greatest job in the world..

    by HopkinsBalls

    I'm so tired of crying millionaires.. There are real fucking problems. Besides, Cop Out sucked - he deserved a word or two.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:51 a.m. CST

    This is what makes AICN

    by DrunkyMcLush

    the stinky, infected asshole of the internet. The nerd raging users. Not all users are like that, of course, but most people on here are trolls that can't be pleased and they can never, ever be wrong. I talked to Kevin about the possible reaction AICN users would have to the Red State trailer and he said, "Yeah, but they'll never eat their words. Even if the trailer ends up exciting them, they'll still be like, 'Uhhh..... Yeah, but Jersey Girl still sucked.'" And how true that statement is.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Damn Harry, sum it up

    by Fulham_FC

    honestly, it's a little too much, we all aren't obscenely obese and have all day to obsorb others' thoughts, although i respect yours....please get to the point..

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Potatino

    by DrunkyMcLush

    There's an "Expand All" button at the top of the talkback, so you don't have to click each post, one by one.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 4:06 a.m. CST

    aha!

    by Potatino

    much better thanks for that drunkymclush

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 4:07 a.m. CST

    drunkymclush

    by Billy_D_Williams

    there's nothing to rage about...raging wont make Smith suck, he simply does, without any help from us, we're merely commenting on how much he sucks and why he thinks he deserves to keep making movies...this is a talkback after all. the only reason he has a career is because his budgets were low, because his movies barely make any money. and when he tried to go big budget mainstream with Cop Out, nobody showed up, and those who did never laughed. so either Smith goes back to his niche, making shitty, forgettable comedies with witty, angst ridden dialogue that everybody is sick to death of, or he stops making movies. i prefer the latter, because he's way past his expiration date. the guy is a self loathing hack...guys like Soderbergh, or PT Anderson, Fincher, they can complain because they have the talent to make it worth listening to...when i hear Smith complaining, i just want to tell him to go dive off a cliff and end both our problems. Smith has stated numerous times that he's a press whore...he LOVES the attention, that's why he's turned his life into this gigantic fucking reality TV esque soap opera...in fact i wouldn't be surprised if he tries to get a reality show about his life off the ground. that's why people are sick of him...he sucks AND he has to air his dirty laundry to the public with endless tweets and blogs and youtube vids. he's like the Shyamalan of geeks...started out believing his own press, that he was a god among men, then started making shitty movies and put his head on the chopping block, and then complaining when the axe came down...these divas set themselves up to be crucified. i don't see Spielberg or Fincher or Jackson or Raimi or QT or Soderbergh endlessly tweeting and blogging about how shitty airline service is, or how critics dont get their work, or how much so and so celebrity sucks...because they're too busy being talented and making great movies...the great ones aren't attention whores, because they get plenty of attention in the form of asses in movie seats to check our their latest flick. Smith NEEDS the attention because he has no other redeeming qualities. He can't make movies, so all he has is his little geek empire that expired five fucking years ago.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Richard Kelly

    by MrPoop

    The funny thing is I read he saw Red State and loved it. They looking out for each other?

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 4:24 a.m. CST

    "But because we all know Kevin is a stoner..."

    by Knuckleduster

    Uh... No, he's not.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 4:30 a.m. CST

    CLERKS II WAS TOTAL, UTTER SHIT!

    by Behemoth

    I remember seeing "Chasing Amy" and thinking that the guy who wrote it didn't know how to write believable dialogue. The voice of every character seemed to be the WRITER behind the scenes - I found myself always thinking of the man behind the curtain while watching that crappy flick. But then, years later, I saw CLERKS II. Holy crap. What an absolute abomination. Truly one of the worst films I've ever seen, and that's saying a LOT. Once again, the characters were horribly written. There wasn't an ounce of realism. It basically seemed like a movie with 20 Kevin Smiths running around wearing masks. The whole "ass to mouth" running gag was revolting and just incredibly stupid. It also ruined my long-running crush on Rosario Dawson, for agreeing to recite those pathetic lines. I HATE that movie. I hate it with the burning, white hot heat of a thousand suns. THAT was the movie that convinced me that Smith sucks mule shank.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 4:44 a.m. CST

    He directed the pilot for Reaper

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Which was surprisingly excellent. Too bad that series didn't last more than two seasons, though, and he wasn't involved with the series beyond the pilot. Oh, and count me in as someone who has no idea what the heck this talkback is about. I read the entry and am confused -- all I get is Kevin Smith, Twitter and something about haters hatin'. WTF and so what?

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 4:46 a.m. CST

    50/50 On this

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Some internet critics may rail on Smith because of a bit of jealousy---I buy that when you look at some of the douches that inhabit this strange world. But for me the main reason for some of this bile is people pushing back on the crazy amount of love that comes from Harry and his ilk for what is essentially a pretty mediocre film maker. If you guys and the ego that is Smith want to try and promote his tat at every opportunity then expect push back if a lot of people disagree with you. And he'd be a better film maker if he parked his ego and learnt from his mistakes instead of never developing because, like a big child, he thinks he's always in the right.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Harry. awesome. thx.

    by djbry

    random talkbacker, haven't in years, but have to say thanks. loved the article, and you also made me "realize" what my attraction to characters of mr smith's world was. it is the love aspect. the finding the woman and friend hypothesis that some of us talk about, react, and dream to. Or in my case have. I show his movies to a mass.. some get it, some don't, but my 60 year old father loved clerks 2 till the "scene". The writing blows up the moment of our relation. You won't find that in any other genre piece mr. smith does. so we just have to look with new eyes.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 5:06 a.m. CST

    Cringe

    by SigourneyWeavers3Dbeaver

    I remember seeing a video of Kevin Showing a rough cut of Clerks II to Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino, and feeling so embarrassed for him. I hadn't seen the film, but I could tell by their response that they knew it was shit and were humouring him. Kevin is a very funny guy, and he can write good dialogue - but he's lost his spark. Probably smoking to much weed. It eventually just makes you think you're having good ideas when in fact, you really aren't. After Chasing Amy, I found it best to stick to watching his lectures which are way better than any film he's made since then.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 5:22 a.m. CST

    Losing my faith....

    by Chaosinabox

    I don't know, dude. I'm still a Kevin Smith fan, but I'm starting to grow tired of him. I'm no "just say no to drugs" nut, but I'm really growing weary of his whole new "I do everything while I'm stoned because everything I do while I'm stoned is just SO GOOD" attitude. When you need to be constantly high to get through the day, then something's gone horribly wrong. Case in point: when he was sober, he made "Clerks II," which I love dearly and got him that 10 minutes standing ovation at Cannes. When he was working stoned because "everything [he does] while [he's] stoned is just SO GOOD," he made "Cop Out," which I'm sorry, but it sucked.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 5:39 a.m. CST

    So much trolling...

    by Gimbledon

    Seriously, if the trolls are such movie fans, go make something. Trolls bitch about how terrible Kevin Smith is as an actor/writer/director/editor, go make something that is better that you did yourself in all four categories. Then say Kevin Smith can stick it. Until then, your just some nameless pussy on a movie talkback website. Hell, I bet you couldn't even manage a third of the things he does on a weekly basis. Lazy fucks. Oh, and I liked the teaser. It's nice to see an actual teaser, not the entire movie spoiled inside of a minute.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 5:49 a.m. CST

    The man is a hero

    by 20goto10

    he exists in a space between lovers of film and makers of film, he still has a foot in both. ANYONE can communicate with Kevin. ANYONE. I sent him a rambling 1'o clock email and got a reply!!!! I dont know any other studio directors that are like that. My girl hates him, but totally loved Jersey Girl. Affleck was the bomb in phantoms! x

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Gimbledon

    by 2LeggedFreak

    You miss the point that Smith and his sycophantic cronies are out there selling Smiths wares for dosh. As such, as prospective purchasers of his films, people have a right to voice their opinion of the product. And Smith has every right to ignore their opinions and carry on flogging the same lazy shite. But again because HE is putting it out there FOR SALE then people are allowed to comment. You do get that don't you.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 6:33 a.m. CST

    sigourneyweavers3dbeaver, don't talk such shit!

    by Talkbacker with no name

    I've seen that same video of them watching and talking about the movie (the good the bad and the man) and that's not how it went down at all!

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 7:05 a.m. CST

    The AICN "I adore weed more than life itself" interview

    by jimbojones123

    Ended any love I had for Smith.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Kelly vs Smith ????

    by VoxMillennium

    I don't see the comparison. Smith made one decent movie, his first, and since then just crappy ones. Kelly made one fantastic movie, Donnie Darko, one crappy movie Southland Tales, but at least it was a fascinating failure and finally The Box was controversial I gather, but I liked it a lot and at least he has promise and takes artistic risks and has ideas that are worth checking out. Give the guy a chance, he's at the beginning of his career; Smith has been at it for 16 years and been stinking up cinemas with 18 movies, with nothing to show, so no comparison.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 7:10 a.m. CST

    I think dat this is a good article!

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    I agree with Harry. People suck. Especially critics. Kevin Smith has more talent than all film critics in the universe put together. So he should just ignore them. They are stupid idiots that just get off talking trash. Fuck them they are worthless trash. No offense Harry the film critic lol.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 7:15 a.m. CST

    RE: Gimbledon

    by VoxMillennium

    You complain about trolls bitching, but this thing started with Harry bitching about people bitching about Kevin Smith always bitching. Some of us felt we should enlighten Harry on the possible reasons for all this bitching and bitched back at him ... so quit your bitching. Your dumb ass reasoning that you're only qualified to bitch when you can do the thing yourself you're bitching about, is just the last line of defense to avoid actually having to deal with the bitching ... bitch!!!

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Comparisons

    by tsfogg

    It might be unfair to compare Kevin Smith to Uwe Boll, but I think it's just as unfair to compare him to early silent comedy filmmakers like Charlie Chaplin and Buster Keaton. The frustration with Kevin Smith comes from comparing him to his peers: Quinton Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez. The three of them came onto the scene at about the same time. The three of them were incredibly daring and exciting. The difference is, Rodriguez and Tarantino's films have grown and improved while Smith has been giving us variations of the same theme for almost twenty years now. It gets old. Maybe Red State will be different. It's a different genre, that's for sure. But I have a feeling that it won't do incredibly well and Smith will retreat back to Clerks III or Dogma II or Zack and Miri Make Another Porno.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 7:23 a.m. CST

    surprise surprise Kevin Smith fans are in the defense

    by Monolith_Jones

    So the reason people hate his movies is that they're jealous. Yeah that makes sense. If there was any jealousy it would be directed towards good filmmakers. The reason people hate his movies is because they are bad movies, made by an adult with the sensibilities of a 12 year old. Not a 12 year old prodigy, but a below average 12 year old. Everything he does reeks of immaturity posing as a point of view. I never heard those remarks he made about Cop Out, but I believe it. If it's obvious that he doesnt care enough to make something of quality, then why should we? He's never made a good movie and he doesnt make good comics. And please don't blame the weed. It doesn't make anyone smarter or dumber than they already are. Alan Moore smokes like 10 spliffs a day.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Finding a balanced opinion on the internet...

    by Bobthegrinch

    is like finding a needle in a haystack. Every bit of news that comes up is met with the most extremem of opinions. It's either the best or worst thing ever (I'm sad to say the same is true of almost all the reviews on this site). With regard to Kevin Smith, I've been a fan of sorts since Clerks. I love Chasing Amy and Clerks 2 and enjoy Clerks, Zach and Miri, Mallrats, and Dogma. I don't think he's one of the great directors of our time but I am always curious about his output. I think he needs to reign himself in a bit sometimes though as his some of his jokes feel like they're puerile for the sake of it when he's clearly sharp enough to come up with something better. I remember him blasting a critic who walked out of Clerks 2 because of the way he walked out (making a big fuss rather than just leaving quietly). I agreed with his point, that the critic should've left quietly and left the rest of the viewers to make their own minds up, but he referred to the guys moustache in a written piece as a 'cum-catcher'. At that point he sort of lost me in that argument. Although I agreed with his point I thought he undermined it by resorting to immature and ill conceived jibes (I don't believe him to be a homophobe but I wouldn't have been surprised if someone took it that way). That pretty much sums up his work for me. He's a clever guy and does some good stuff, but sometimes he needs to rethink the odd bit before he puts it out. I haven't seen Cop Out. I think the Red State teaser was pretty interesting. It made me curious about the film which I assume is the point of a teaser.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 7:35 a.m. CST

    I appreciate 70% of Kevin Smith's output.

    by Shpadoinkle

    So go fuck your mother.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Agree that Kevin Smith is a douche

    by peopleintrees

    And Harry has shit taste for movies

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  • Dec. 24, 2010, 7:50 a.m. CST

    apologies for the odd post

    by Monolith_Jones

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 8:30 a.m. CST

    No more Star Wars references!!

    by 1997-2011

    I dont want the mention of star wars in his perverted movies! and yes i remember when he kept making fun of that abc critic (who is now deceased btw). The critic got up and left in front of all after watching a donkey show scene, said "DISGUSTING!" so naturally KS got upset and lambasted the critic everywhere even in a radio show, where guess what, the critic answered their phone calls! So they had a conversion over the air on radio that was more like mature respectable guy talking (critic) and a CoD player 13 year old child (Kevin Smith). Kevin kept pulling awful jokes at the critic guy with the radio guy while the critic was maturely talking to them defending his behavior.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 8:36 a.m. CST

    I don't like Kevin Smith movies

    by Alice Cooper Stalker

    I'm not a hater. I'm not a lover. I just don't care for Kevin Smith movies. I never got into Led Zepplin. I completely understand there contributions to the evolution of rock, I just never cared for them myself. The bulk of the reason I don't care for them is the 12 year old potty humor, but I completely understand that there is an audience for that. I respect that he made Clerks on a dime and a prayer. That is awesome.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 8:37 a.m. CST

    How....

    by 404notfound

    ....is this even news?

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 9:06 a.m. CST

    I have yet to see a bad Kevin Smith movie!

    by ninpobugei

    Seriously, I've seen every movie the man has made and just love them. He's the Blowjob, Dick & Fart joke version of Quentin Tarantino.</p> <p> The only movies I had - at first - thought were complete and utter crap were JERSEY GIRL and COP OUT. Both movies I loathed in their trailers, but broke down and saw them anyway and really liked them. JERSEY GIRL in particular both myself and my wife really enjoyed. I was shocked that so many people lambasted it. I think maybe they didn't get that Kevin Smith had a softer side and could tell a serious story with a heart. I didn't think it was sappy and we really bought into it.</p> <p> Anything the man makes, I'm on board with to at least give a shot (in the mouth) before judging it.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Add Smith to the list of Hollywood lefties

    by Nerd Rage

    who are attacked for political reasons under the guise of artistic criticism.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 9:22 a.m. CST

    No, Smith genuinely sucks

    by Laserhead

    And Chasing Amy is crap.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Kevin Smith - Most Overrated Geek of all time?!

    by RetroActive

    He's defended because he seems like a pretty decent guy and makes nerdy films. But the truth is, most people don't want to talk to nerds, even funny ones. That doesn't make it right, it's just a fact. His movies are OK. They have a few funny sequences or one liners, but as a whole, they're just...whatever. I don't care about his politics, and I don't think most viewers do either, or even know what he stands for. Who cares? The "truth" is, he's just not as witty and clever as he's made out to be. PLus, complaining every time the fuzzy end of the lollipop shows up in box office receipts doesn't make him or his fans any more loveable.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Amen, Harry.

    by Sylvia Simon

    "He's a niche filmmaker and I happen to fall into that niche." Well put. I like his stuff (caveat: I haven't seen Cop Out yet, but I'm thinkin' about it the next time I'm tight), and can't understand where the Kevin hate is coming from. I'm psyched to see Red State, not only because I'm a huge horror buff, but because I loved Dogma and am very interested in seeing where Kevin Smith will take this story.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Amen, retroactive.

    by Laserhead

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Smith has his issues.

    by Secretagentnumber6

    But I have loved most of his movies. Cop Out was a disaster, but honestly I cannot imagine working with Tracy Morgan, the guy is insane. And like Harry said, Willis just did not work with the movie. Everything else Smith has done is golden in my eyes.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Clerks II was pathetic

    by nobodycallsmcflyachicken

    the 2 female leads shouldn't have been there. It should have been a fun sexy romp about some 30 somethings always trying to get some.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST

    and the Randall speech at the end was lame.

    by nobodycallsmcflyachicken

    just let your friend move on and be happy.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST

    This "story" is fucking awful

    by UGG

    I had to actually visit Kevin Smiths Twitter to understand what the fuck Harry was talking about. <p>So it seems Smith was pissed at all you nerd's were trashing his new trailer or something, Kevin your probably reading this TB too so...<p> your a good guy, a top bloke, (probably) some people just don't like your movie's, I like some, not other's, get over it and carry on doing what you want to do.<p> Does Kevin Smith still smoke weed? As a fellow pothead for nearly 20 years now I know of the social insecure and emotionally stunted haze your living in, it's fine if we're happy like that but be honest we're not. Weed like every other single thing in life is fine, but it's all about balance, if you lose the balance, be prepared to lose/waste a part of your life. <p>

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Sometimes I forget what low standards geeks have

    by GWARHOL

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 10:03 a.m. CST

    couldn't agree more Harry....

    by exador

    from the moment i first saw Clerks, I've been a fan, and nothing Kevin has done directing wise has changed that opinion...if anything my respect for him has grown increasingly over the years. I guess i just appreciate all that he does as an artist. that includes that fantastic 'an evening with' videos, the websites, the movies of course, the books, all of it...he's basically a cottage industry. I have tons of respect for that. It's a new world out there ladies and gentlemen. It's not just about directing movies. and probably hasn't been for quite some time now....it's about the whole ecosystem. and i find Kevin's to be wildly funny and interesting. Always something new going on with that guy. This new Red State movie has me intrigued, and most likely I'll see it the minute it comes out.... Good for you Kevin...Keep on producing great work. And also, what can i say, to this very day i think Jason Mewes is one of the funniest guys i've ever seen....he could read a phone book and i'd probably laugh my head off....

  • # However, if you wanna lessen the sting, let's do some simple math: over @ AICN, inarguably the site with the most trash-talkin'est of all about the TalkBack boards offered at any of the movie-centric urls, the RedState trailer's getting lots of chatter - the most, it would seem, with a 120 comments. And that's not 120 different people making comments; just 120 comments. Let's be VERY generous and say 100 people made those 120 comments since that story went up around noon. That's not bad; again - good enough to make it the current top commented story. However, If I walk away from Twitter to take a leak, I'll return to about 120 new comments - no repeats, all uniques. And go read my Twitter feed today: there are literally THOUSANDS of Tweeted kudos from people who're gonna pay to see RedState as soon as they can. And those cranks at the movie site comments section that sparked this discussion? They're gonna pay to see it, too - just to see if they're right. If they don't they can't be considered serious cineastes, can they? So don't sweat the comments, man: a) the number of negative comments in the TalkBack section of the most popular movie website on the planet number under 100; and, as explained, they're gonna give me their money anyway. b) ALL chatter is good chatter. So let 'em scrum in the corners all they want; I'm way up here with the puck, and the goalie's a sieve.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Kevin Smith is at his best when he's not TRYING to be anything

    by MrEkoLetMeLive

    My favorite films of his: Clerks, Chasing Amy, Dogma, Clerks 2. He's not trying to be anything but himself with those movies. He's got his voice as a writer, and it's a hilarious voice when he's able to tap into it and say what he's feeling rather than what he thinks an audience will like. When he TRIES to be funny, like in Mallrats or Jay & Silent Bob, that's when he fails. As long as he's just himself, he knocks it out of the park. And there are even moments in those movies where his genuine comedic sensibilities come out. Like Jay and Bob going around to beat up Talkbackers. Or "He was the BOMB in Phantoms!" And of course, Stan Lee in Mallrats. It's the predictable fart jokes and winks to the audience that I can't stand. He's better than that sort of pandering and that he does it is the reason he loses credibility with critics. Red State could go either way as a result. If Smith's simply tapping into a part of himself he's never used as a writer before, the results could be spectacular. If he's TRYING to be scary, the results could be just as shitty as when he's trying to make people laugh, instead of just letting his inner monologue come out on the page and screen.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 10:24 a.m. CST

    CLERKS was probably overrated

    by TitusPullo

    at the time I was a clerk at a music/video store, so I got more of a kick out of it than most people. I probably wouldn't have bonded with it otherwise, it's hard to say. But it does boast the starting point of where the Star Wars movies were re-examined a bit, Lucas/The Emperor's New Clothes and all that, back when there was nothing but love for Star Wars and no great geek divide on it. And for the record, I only seem to enjoy Smith's movies when Jay & Silent Bob are in them.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 10:28 a.m. CST

    I like Most of Smith's movies

    by nobodycallsmcflyachicken

    but he sucked inn that sucky Die Hard 4

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 10:34 a.m. CST

    "Bushy no bombing" - What genius!

    by Professor_Monster

    seriously - his little "evening with" presentations are just plain stupid and everytime I meet someone who likes them they always quote the same John Peters, Superman portion. That only shows me that the person I'm talking to doesn't read or they would have enjoyed William Goldman's books packed with such stories only delivered in wittier fashion. Smith should have stopped a long time ago and disappeared - i mean seriously ask yourself - would the world suffer without his movies?

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 10:47 a.m. CST

    I´m tired of the trash-talking

    by CuervoJones

    That´s why i moved to Vern´s website. Cool people and movie lovers there.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 11 a.m. CST

    Degrassi Episodes were great wish fufillment

    by Stormwatcher

    Where he gets to make out with Sam his crush from the original series. Still love that the big thing in Hip Hop DRAKE is the wheelchair kid from that. Also...Red State has me intrigued.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 11:02 a.m. CST

    LEAVE KEVIN SMITH ALONE! BAHAHAHAHAHA!

    by drakvlad

    this is the funniest thing i've read all week. all i can picture is a youtube video of harry underneath a bed sheet, tear-streaked face. LEAVE KEVIN SMITH ALONE! give chris cocker a call, dude. he'll have some pointers for ya. LMFAO. poos Kevo.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Twitter is for douchebags.

    by F-18

    Speaking of which, what happened to Hercules's Twitter contests? There hasn't been one since AICN's "update".

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST

    unfuckingbelievable

    by spidercoz

    Holy crap some of you fucks really need to lighten up. Are you like this in your real lives too? Christ on a cock, I'd be ashamed to know a lot of you assholes.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    hey

    by drakvlad

    kevin smith dishes out more trash talk than anyone out there. he's a big boy. i'm sure he's gonna be just fine.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST

    wouoldn't really call Dante a hero in the Clerks films

    by nobodycallsmcflyachicken

    he just does what people tell him to do. come to work on your day off. ok. stick with the 1 girl. ok. don't mary that girl and leave me. ok.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST

    I saw Clerks

    by Wade Wilson

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 11:19 a.m. CST

    I saw Clerks

    by Wade Wilson

    before any of you ever did, including Harry. And it still sucks. Yay for double post!

  • And, I've seen most of them.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Kevin Smith is my Hero

    by dreamer2928

    the first time I was introduced to a Kevin Smith movie I watched it everyday for an entire summer. He is an amazing writer and person overall and truely believe so. There have allways been great minds that the genereal populace does not and may never understand and perhaps He is one of them.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    he should make a film called 'Podcasters'

    by nobodycallsmcflyachicken

    it would complete the kevin smith job trilogy of clerks/zach and miri make a movie/

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Kevin Smith is OVERRATED, but Red State has me interested.

    by Joey_Redballs

    I couldn't disagree more about Chasing Amy or Clerks 2. I would have rather he made Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back 2. Cop Out was not laughless, but overall it sucked. </p> However, I watched the Red State trailer, and it appears to be devoid of any Kevin Smith style humor (which is dead). That is a good sign. It looked genuinely Waco Texas creepy. It apparently stars John Goodman (loved him in Fallen) and Micheal Parks (who I am convinced may be the most underrated character actor of our generation). It shows promise. If it's straight drama and horror with no Kevin Smith humor, it may be a real winner and a career changer for Smith.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST

    If Red State is half as good as it looks...

    by Joey_Redballs

    If Red State is half as good as it looks, at the least, Kevin Smith will have many more conventions to visit that he's never attended before...horror conventions. I think he could rise above the other guests with his on-stage banter to become a hit at such fare.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    "conspiracy" NAILED it.

    by cinemixtape.com

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Re: Kevin Smith

    by ArmageddonProductions

    Kevin Smith seems like a really nice and intelligent guy, the sort of person you'd wanna hang out with, smoke a few bowls and either channel surf high or play video games with while discussing the merits or DC comic book characters versus Marvel comic book characters. HOWEVER ...</p><p> ... that's all part of the problem. I blame Smith for spearheading the disturbing present trend in filmmaking, in which movies are no longer about the hero's journey, they're about pasty comic book geeks sitting around and citing the hero's journey from the STAR WARS movies, "Star Trek" or comic books. For me, this trend hit its apex with your beloved FANBOYS, which is ninety minutes of losers driving cross-country and giving the aforementioned STAR WARS movies some way-past-cliche' fan fellatio. That's what passes for entertainment now?!? And yet, it can all be traced back to Kevin Smith, who inspired a generation of filmmaking nerds to pick up their cameras and make movie after loosely-autobiographical movie about themselves and their friends sitting around, smoking pot, playing video games and winning at life because they know what the fuck an Ughnaut is.</p><p> Me, I subscribe to the Mr. Plinkett theory -- he stated in his PHANTOM MENACE review that kids don't want to watch movies about kids, they want to watch movies about the kick-ass grownups they wish they were. And I'm sure Kevin Smith movies (and Judd Apatow movies and etc.) have their place ... but I'd like to see more films where the main characters aren't pontificating about whether or not the stormtroopers on the Death Star had adequate life insurance.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Critics sat next to Kevin Smith in theater

    by Ivan_Mtl

    Maybe the critics that have been hard on Kevin Smith were the ones sitting next to him at the screenings of his films and are just pissed off because he took up so much room and they didn't get the arm rests? But seriously, I enjoy Kevin Smith's movies for the most part, but probably more for the writing/dialogue than the actual direction. That's why I think his comic book work is so much stronger. He leaves it to his artist to tell the story visually.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Oooh so Cop Out

    by Wade Wilson

    was SUPPOSED to be terrible? Oh I get it now... wow Kevin Smith IS a genius!

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Oh for fuck's sake...

    by JRyanH

    Some of you people need to get over yourselves. Who gives a shit if someone likes Kevin Smith flicks? Who cares if they don't? Comedy is so subjective. Different people find different things funny. With that said, I agree with Harry's post completely. I like Kevin Smith's flicks, and I'm not some dumb-ass stoner. I like his writing style and think his movies have some humorous observations. As for Kevin Smith the man... well, since he's started waking and baking I've been finding his podcasts more annoying than funny. Basically it's an hour of him laughing at his own jokes and making up "what if?" scenarios with Mosier. Oh well, it's free. Anyway, like I said, some of you fuckers should realize that your opinions aren't exclusive. Nothing's worse than someone who trashes other people's taste in art.

  • Kevin Smith on Twitter is just like any porn star on there. <p> "Yeah I had an awesome day of fucking, now let's smoke some weed." <p> Except it's....... <p> Had a massive post-dumpling crunch today, now let's smoke some weed. <p> And then he blocks you if you call him on his shit. <p> Coward.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith is not an issue

    by 1997-2011

    lets erase him from our minds

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    i think I know why Harry loves Kevin smith so much

    by 1997-2011

    they share something in common. their love for shitty movies!!1!!!! hahahaha PWNAGE!E!!

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Wow Harry

    by benlinus

    Must be a REAL slow news day...THIS is what you are talking about? SERIOUSLY?! I mean fuck Harry, this site is your own personal blog now? How bout talking about COOL NEWS: Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy movie Rango Avengers Total Recall Blade Spinoff I Am Number Four Jebbus Knowles, get your shit together. This site is falling into the fucking crapper.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST

    By the way...

    by benlinus

    The font for the TB's is fucking AWFUL also TOO MUCH space between lines....how bout putting the vaseline and cheetos down and fixing it

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Dogma is actually more epic than Constantine.

    by UltraTron

    Give me a Kevin Smith Sandman. And and another clerks or silent bob adventure where they make donkey pornos would be fine. I love the opening Tom Tom club song in clerks 2 in hd. Is that on blu?

  • I check Deadline for all the breaking cool news but AICN is just a talkbacks, and laugh at Harry's articles they never good and always talk about something dumb.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Two things, Harry

    by D.Vader

    1. Providing some background to this rant would have been most helpful. Who's shitting on who and where? All I know is there's trash-talking on Twitter and Kevin Smith is involved, but that could mean any number of things. 2. You could replace the words "Kevin Smith" with any number of other directors- McG, Brett Ratner, Paul W.S. Anderson, even Uwe Boll- and you'd still be talking about a filmmaker who gets trashed by both critics and a lot of the online community (despite having defenders), including here at AICN. 3. (okay, three things), Its good to be back!

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Ridiculous to compare silent to Kevin Smith

    by MathiasRoyal

    I wish Kevin Smith were silent. His movies have never been good, just blabbing about nothing over and over and over again. But it's completely ridiculous to compare Kevin Smith's shit repetition to the character repetition of the silent era. Buster Keaton was a deadpan comic who tried new things and directed the hell out of stuff. All his in-shot jokes in The General and meta-commentary on filmmaking in Sherlock Jr. Charlie Chaplin had tons of social commentary mixed with his Tramp character. Yes, he had laughs, but every movie was trying different things, commenting on class struggle and family relationships. Abbot and Costello contributed one of the greatest jokes of all time, built around clever word play. Kevin Smith movies basically talk about comic books and ass-to-mouth, without even saying anything about either. Yes, it's important to laugh, but Kevin Smith has shown no growth as a filmmaker, in directing or writing, and frankly he deserves the criticism he gets. If the guy can't take it, he frankly shouldn't be a filmmaker, or he should listen to the criticism and try and get better. That's what artists do. Kevin Smith, unfortunately, is a child.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Also, a fourth thing

    by D.Vader

    This new talkback format sucks. Not a fan at all. I much prefer the old way of clicking on one talkback post and having it open a new window that's centered on the post you want to read, but you can still scroll up and down to see previous statements and later replies. Can't do that with this new one. I have to scroll back up to expand all if I want to do that.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST

    d.vader is back

    by 1997-2011

    lets circle jerk again

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    d.vader does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Good to have you back dude!<p> I also agree exactly with what you said - this article is all about Kevin Smith supposedly being 'trash talked' and yet where's the context? Harry, at least post up some comments made by notable people that trashed him?!<p> No context at all except a massive 'summary' of what Kevin Smith's filmography means to Harry.<p> Bah Humbug and wank.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Why the JERSEY GIRL hate?

    by Frix Kyriacou

    It was a good film, acted well, directed well, paced well, in my opinion. I cant understand why it gets slated by people. I just put it down to J Lo being in it .....Gigli didnt help at the time.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Smith does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    As for Kevin Smith the director. He's a small fish. I haven't seen all his films but those I have seem rather amateurish and the comedy somewhat hit and miss. His box office stats are poor to say the least...<p> ZACK AND MIRI $31,457,946<p> CLERKS II $24,148,068<p> JERSEY GIRL $25,268,157<p> CHASING AMY $12,021,272<p> MALL RATS $2,122,561

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    He also loitered like a particularly nasty fart in LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD... suffice to say that I don't share Harry's loving admiration for the man.<p> If you're going to write a 'puff piece' article out of the blue eulogising a living film maker I could think of several hundred that would be in the line ahead of Kevin Smith.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Hey Cobra-Kai's back too!

    by D.Vader

    I heard you were having trouble logging in and had been "blacklisted" lately.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST

    1997-2011

    by D.Vader

    Allright you start. I'm right beside ya.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Inspired talkback

    by MrPoop

    Harry came and threw the gauntlet down at the "haters" and while there was some of the usual immature banter, there was also plenty of well thought out posts as to why people have problems with Kevin Smith and his fan base. <p> So not everyone on here is living in their parents basement, thinking they know all about the movie business, yada yada yada...

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Totally Agreee Kobra

    by benlinus

    Thats essentially what this "article" is about, sucking Smith's cock out of the blue and for no apparent reason....There a MILLION OTHER things to report on, and CHRIST if your going to suck a living working director, at least let it be PT Anderson. Christ, Id give PT a reach around after he was finished with me!

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    "So I got incredibly lit and it worked."

    by ChanceMinter

    Nope. No it didn't. Fucking excuses. I'm high all the time and I don't think I even cracked a grin at that movie. I hate it when people say, "Oh man you gotta be high to like it." Nah man. I don't. If I don't like it sober, chances are high me ain't gonna like it either. It's stupid remarks like that, that give pot and potheads a bad name. Using it for a fucking excuse to laugh. Goon.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith never gets any better..

    by malificus

    ..as a filmmaker, and I think that's a big reason he gets lambasted. His work is so inconsistent it is far easier to dismiss it as bad than dig out the sparse gems to defend.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Another thing about his critics backlash...

    by MrPoop

    As stated(probably) multiple times in this talk back, KS is a media whore. He maximizes his interviews and appearances when his films come out because they don't have the marketing budgets that other big studio productions have(except for Cop Out). It is these same magazines, newspapers, web sites, etc that review films. So he wants to use all that free press, but not have them say his movie sucks? Sorry Harry, but that just comes off as an asshole to me.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST

    woah. DEAR FUCKFACE comparing Kevin Smith to Quentin

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    That was simply stupid.I've no clue where that blurted out message came from.Quentin is a pretty good film maker...because he has watched/absorbed so much cinema..his films are somewhat of a pop culture explosion, combining (or mining) elements from stylish films of yester year. He is very good at writing dialogue,especially when it's a crime-based type of film.So, don't even COMPARE Kevin Smith to Quentin(also, I'm not A HUGE Quentin fan, but definitely LOVE Pulp , Jacky and Reservoir).Kevin Smith is good too, specifically for writing comedies.And Yes, he can get into the heads of 20-30+ year old slackers and write dialogue better than anyone. Nut in my opinion, Quentin is simply more versatile and more of a cinemaphile than Smith.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    What the hell is this crap?

    by The Aquarian 1

    USELESS POST HARRY!!! Quit licking ball sacks.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST

    I just glanced at Kevin Smith's Twitter

    by D.Vader

    Seems like a lot of bitching on his part there. Mainly about the AICN talkbacks.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    man, I think Smith is OOOOKAY, but the way he deals

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    with opinion and objectivity is sad. It makes me want to hate him.Smith, you made a film.Seriously, it looks bad. In fact, no one can tell what the film is about. I can't.That's for starters. And the "look" is horrendous. Hey, you're doing more than me..so don't feel bad. But you make a product for people to buy..and it's the type of product(like many) that is made available to the masses for approval/disapproval. And...you will NOT get my money ever to watch this (because I won't watch it).And as much as AICN has pissed me off the last 6 months...the fact you seem to rally against this site...well, it makes me hate you even more. Stop acting like a douche. You used to have a likeable charisma. Now you're a spiraling headcase that dries alot.And lost his identity.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    people trash talk smith

    by john

    because he answers back makes a troll feel important

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Oh I'm game...

    by SobchakSecurity

    I have been looking forward to this for a long time. I like Kevin Smith. I know he's had a few misses. I mean, cop out isn't the first time someone I am a fan of has made less than quality work. But this project has been gestating for a few years, I remember it being announced like 3 years ago, and when I heard the premise, I couldn't help but react with "Wow! That sounds great!!!!" I am all for someone doing something different from what they are known for. This looks very,very promising, and might even be a new direction for him. Maybe even changing the minds of some of his more severe critics/detractors. Funny, one of the other posters, I forget which one at the moment, had commented about how this looks like direct to dvd horror style, which was my same reaction when some pics popped up a few weeks back. But now seeing this trailer, I really think this will be something that gets alot of people talking. Smith has gone into similar sort of disturbing territory before, anyone else ever see Vulgar? The one he produced and starred in? If not, check it out and you'll see what I mean. It doesn't relate to this in any sort of thematic way, but damn if that isn't a fucked up little movie in it's own way. My one concern is the scene with the guy in the ballgag. I mean, is this going to go from some sort of serious social commentary/allegory to oh, religous nut releases his twisted desires behind back doors sort of thing? Ala maybe Hostel, which I liked, but with a touch of religous extremisim??? On this ending note, I know this is going to be an allegory/criticism of the rev. Fred Phelps and his obivously very twisted and cruel church group. Over the years as many of you probably know, this group has caused alot of controversy picketing the funerals of those killed in the line of duty in Iraq. There has been some debate recently over whether they should be banned or not allowed near the funerals. It has raised issues of free speech which I can see what they mean. It's obvious he is an attention seeking bully, and I will say this, if this guy and his group of fanatics was to show up at the funeral of a family member of mine who had service, and pulled this shit, I would go up to him without hesitation, punch him in his face,maybe kick him a few times, go, and wait to be arrested. I would do it. Mark my word. I have been arrested before, long story, well, no, and I can get into it if you want me to, well, drunk driving simply put, and it sucks, but it's not the worst that can happen. Well, I would like to encourage others to do the same if they encounter such an issue at some point.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:30 p.m. CST

    kevin smith= obviously a troll.

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    ummm, you realize this no?

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:38 p.m. CST

    if he stopped making movies

    by 1997-2011

    the world wont even notice

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Memo does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    "I apparently have missed the memo where it stated that I can no longer love Kevin Smith movies"<p> Oh. Mine was personally delivered two weeks ago by Morgan Freeman. The explanation of why you can no longer love Kevin Smith goes into some detail, with such comments as 'Kevin Smith has a boring first name AND a boring second name'... 'Smith is a fatty boom-boom' and 'scientific surveys have proven Kevin Smith films are unwatchable even when heavily stoned'.<p> All in all the memo makes a pretty strong case.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:42 p.m. CST

    is Kevin Smith gonna do sci-fi? ever?

    by 1997-2011

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST

    cobra kai. awesome

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    First hard laugh of the day. Bravo.

  • Mark my words.With a pen.Then read the words to yourself.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST

    kevin smith is a sensitive little snowflake

    by HaterofCrap

    he's full of shit.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST

    An Evening With Kevin Smith 2: Disc 1 is Smith's best work.

    by Grimcicle

    Bar none.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    cobra--kai LMAO

    by MrPoop

    That last post of yours just made this the talk back of the year.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Im sick of...

    by JethroBodine

    I'm sick of Kevin Smith and his incessant talking. He came upon the scene and made himself a self-appointed voice for a generation. And ever since then he's has made it his PRIMARY job to talk, talk, talk, and fucking talk, about every fucking thing at every possible fucking chance he can get. He seriously needs to pull a Kubrick, and get fuck back behind the camera, and shut up. But he hasn't and he won't. His only apparent real talent is for overexposing himself, (just like Eli Roth) and a little bit of him goes a very, very, long way.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Trading Places

    by Jim Halpert

    In the spirit of the season, I nobly offer to trade places with Kevin Smith. I will suffer the horrible barbs from people I will never meet while I attempt to ease the pain with being famous, making movies, spending lots of money, fighting with Southwest Airlines and reading comic books.

  • The guy is just flat out terrible. The teaser looks like garbage, I hope this movie fails horribly.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 8:54 p.m. CST

    He's a good film maker....

    by MajorFrontbum

    ...just not a great one. C'mon guys; cut Kevin some slack. He's certainly one of the better ones out there today. If you want to trash talk someone, go pick on Michael Bay's "All flash and no substance" Transformer's flicks. They could put a hardcore insomniac, into a coma for a decade or three!

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 10:12 p.m. CST

    honestly?

    by mcgillj

    I've been SICK of the Smith BASHING for YEARS.. I mean.. NOT every director HAS to be Jim Cameron.. or David Fincher.. (and honestly.. Panic Room? err.. ehmmm). But.. SERIOUSLY. I remember I had to WORK ALOT when Pulp Fiction came out on VHS (not even to BUY.. rental ONLY prices).. 85 BUCKS.. but I slaved my ass off that summer.. and it took JUST over half a week's PAY to get it.. but I was just so FIXED on that flick.. and obsessed on it after Reservoir Dogs.. and I remember this trailer for this lil black and white movie.. and.. I just thought.. DAMN now that looks FUNNY. And.. Kevin Smith has done the FUNNY... and as for Zack and Miri Harry? or even Jersey Girl.. I think ALOT of the non fan fan base just "don't get" those movies.. even Chasing Amy.. were Kevin working out some of the "issues" he had.. I know.. its not super brain lightning.. but its interesting.. and the story of Zack and Miri? replace PORN with INDEPENDENT FILM? You more or less.. have the STORY of "the making of Clerks". Friends ALL get together.. max out credit cards.. shoot where they work.. that's very.. "meta".. in its own way.. Mallrats and Jay and Bob? just flat out HILARIOUS!!! I was a big disappointed with Dogma (but.. my fault.. I read the draft on the net.. and was disappointed they copped out that Bethany had had an abortion.. and that's the reason she couldn't conceive)... and there was a discussion about a girl getting knocked up by her priest absent from the film as well.. the whole script I read.. a bit.. "edgier" but alas.. still a fun film.. But.. I don't get these people who just have to PISS over everything because he isn't making these CGI shit fest monster movies... He doesn't HAVE TO!!! there are plenty of people out there doing that.. let Kevin do what he does.. and does well, I'd rather have THAT than have him failing in an area he'd rather NOT be in (Green Hornet comes to mind).

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Vader and Cobra, nice to see you again bud.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    So it looks like Harry's doing a bit of throat loading/damage control to get a set visit out of Smith in the future. Either that or Smith asked him to fight his battles for him(more likely). <p> Oh and again, Smith takes pride in blocking his naysayers on the Twitter. Blocking is actually considered the act of a fucking coward(If you can't stand the heat etc..)which really boils down to this analysis......... <p> BITCH MADE

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST

    BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Stuntcock Mike

    From Smith's Twitter...... <p> the movie site comments section that sparked this discussion? They're gonna pay to see it, too - just to see if they're right. If they don't they can't be considered serious cineastes, can they? <p> Can't. Stop. Fucking. Laughing. <p> Dude, I never paid for your movies when I LIKED THEM!!!

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 10:36 p.m. CST

    It wasn't Tom Tom Club

    by DiscoGodfather

    It was the Talking Heads. Or was that the joke? Oh, fuck it.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 11 p.m. CST

    Oh hey wow

    by CT1

    lmao oh hey wow imagine that, Harry making his usual veiled snarky comments, why didn't you just come right out and tell him to "dream a little bigger, darling?", huh? Really? REALLY. lmao but besides that, ummm... huh, interesting, yeah the trailer is.. different than the usual Kevin Smith fare. I agree with previous sentiments regarding similarities to "mainstream hollywood" movies in regards to scene composition and camera moves, and almost seems like Kevin Smith is moving up to a Harry Knowles "big boy" level of higher thinking ("Mesa Luved Him!"). *soft voice* "No." "I'm sorry Barbara." "Jimmy, go.. go play with your sister, go ahead honey... *sobbing* Are you out there? Are you? You brought this craziness on us, you did! YOU DID!! YOU BROUGHT THIS ON US!!" "Switch it if off, he ain't comin. He don't want to talk to us.." *gruff voice* "God help whoever he DOES want to talk to."

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST

    HARRY, EXACTLY WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

    by J-Dizzle

    What was this article for? I read something about twitter, Kevin Smith hate, and how you like his movies. But like one poster said, YOU LEFT OUT THE DETAILS YOU JERK! I have absolutely no idea on why this article is supposed to be relevant. Did someone die or something? I don't even have a twitter account so I don't know what Kevin Smith said. You left out all the juicy details, which I find frustrating. Are you really going to make me search the interwebs to get a hint as to what is going on? If so, then I'm going to have to tell you to grow some balls you mamsy pansy and get over it! I'm sure you'll survive what ever the hell you're crying about. And I'm sure Kevin Smith will forget about.... what ever the hell it is you're talking about in a year's time when he's busy swimming bin of millions of $$$$$$. So Harry, what is the catalyst for you writing this "woe is me" drivel?

  • and I QUOTE: "I saw 'Episode One' tonight. Hee-hee-hee! Ah - being in this business finally pays off. The good folks at the BBC sent me to a press screening, so that I can review the flick next week for them. I offer my new Brit peeps a shoutout for that. Of the film, I can say many things. But the long and short of it is that I liked it - quite a bit. I'd rank it right after 'Empire' in a list of fave 'Star Wars' flicks. It starts great, ends great, and has great stuff sprinkled in between. Is there too much Jar Jar? For a small stretch, yes; but then the Binks quotient calms down considerably. Is the kid bad? I thought he was okay. He certainly wasn't wooden, as some people have suggested. He was a kid actor - no more, no less. I will say that - while it's probably unintentional, his exhuberance juxtaposes nicely against what he eventually becomes in the stories. Is it a puppet-heavy, CGI affair? There's a great deal of it, but not to the point where it's irritating (though the two-headed pod-race comentator was a bit much). I think the key is to go in with low expectations. I did, and I really dug it. Dug it more with distance. I'd see it again. The stuff I liked: Liam, Ewan, Darth Maul (who's in the 2:10 flick for maybe a half hour, tops), R2's introduction, the reappearance of the Tusken Raiders, the treatment of the Jedi as supreme badasses that are to be feared, the political subplot, the fact that Lucas slows the second act way down to introduce Anakin, and of course, the lightsaber battles. The use of the lightsaber in this flick is astounding; worth the price of admission alone. I'm sure in about a week, it's going to become quite fashionable to bash this flick - hard. But I'd like to go on record as saying I dug it. It's a good movie with great moments. Two things that stuck out to me, though: at one point, they refer to 'space'. Has the word 'space' ever been used in a 'Star Wars' flick before? Padme says "Space is cold." It struck me as odd, because I can't recall anyone ever using the term 'space' in the flicks before. That, and the Viceroy of the trade commission. For half the flick, I was trying to decipher his accent - was it Jamaican, French, what? Then it came to me: he sounds like the Czech Brothers from the old SNL (or Steve Martin's 'Wild and Crazy Guy' character). Weird. Anyway, see the flick when it comes out. It's better than half the crap out there, and it's got history on its side. In a world of grades: B+ or A- In a world of stars: 3 or 3 and a 1/2" Kevin Smith SUCKS.

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 3:38 a.m. CST

    harry, here's the smith math. he's losing.

    by rogerdodger21

    clerks was an absolutely original target to an age demo and nailed it by having conversations we wanted to have. he had so much love for just making that film and being "us," like harry but without the site and with a camera in his hand. he's my new best friend. 100 points. perfect for sheer effort alone. mallrats was a 75% repeat of same brilliant nerd humor for the same audience (jason lee ruled! the hero read comics!!) but with some weak spots and a lead pair of pretty love interests who couldn't act their way out of a box or handle his dialogue. works better on repeat viewings. plus 50 points (150). chasing amy was a horribly shot but wonderfully written film that made us see what this guy could really do. hope. plus 50 points (200). dogma was a brilliant religious tale unfortunately told by a guy who's just not mature enough to handle the material but has famous friends (minus 25 points to 175). jay and silent bob was amusing at most but too much of the same (minus 50 points to 125). jersey girl was a weak effort hindered further by bad timing (minus 50 points to 75). i still rooted for him because of the live DVDs. he's so fucking funny at the college shows (plus 50 points to 125). clerks II was just too late (c'mon, be original man!! - minus 75 points to 50). zach and miri was a disaster - again, the same old thing. when do you grow up and be what we wanted you to be? which is something like a popcorn hal ashby with brutally honest (i.e. dirty) dialogue. at least be competent. zzzz. i was bored. (minus 75 to -25). i love the guy, but every great filmmaker or athlete has to WIN to keep going, and the guy keeps losing. if he didn't have famous friends, this would have been over a long time ago. do i still want him to prove me wrong? yes! will i pay to watch when he releases a new film? no. earn it, kevin. please. sometimes, you have to kick your friend out of your apartment and make him get a real job because you love the dude.

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 5:41 a.m. CST

    mark kermode summed it up

    by JAMF

    http://tinyurl.com/kermodesmith smith's just an idiot. he always was he's just gotten more idiotic the fatter he's gotten, ala harry knowles and george lucas.

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 6:47 a.m. CST

    I've defended Smith before...

    by dvdhound79

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 6:50 a.m. CST

    ...re "last post"

    by dvdhound79

    Stupid enter button... anyway. When his first issue with the airlines happened, I was behind him 100%. Then the Cop Out critic thing happened... and I had to back up. One of the things about when he defends himself, he can come across as pretentious and a bit whiny. Then the 2nd airline thing happened (which looked to be resolved) and he came across as "Do you know who I am?" I always admired how despite his success he was still approachable and down to earth. This just came across as David Caruso type douchery.

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Kevin Smith fucked up his career

    by Cobb05

    Now, I use to be a big Kevin Smith fan. I'm still a fan, but unless he can get things set straight, I lose more and more respect for the guy. One thing I use to like about Kevin, was the fact that he seemed like a genuine, real guy. He would state his opinion about things and not worry who he would offend. That being said, I think he painted himself into a corner and is now panicked that he's done so. Kevin's first 4 movies are a good start. But he should never have made Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. It's a fun movie, but it was made for a built in fanbase and might've been the thing that alienated him from building a wider audience. Jersey Girl was a turning point in his career, unfortunately it didn't work out. I'm a fan of the movie. It's not one of the geatest films ever made, but there are some solid performances in it. If it would've starred Jason Lee and someone else instead of J-Lo, the movie probably would've been well recieved and maybe could've been a hit. Zack and Miri was what it was. A return to the old Kevin. And you can blame the marketing, but I think 3 things hurt that movie. One, I don't think Seth Rogan is a huge box office draw. Two, I think the fact that the word porno was in the title, made some people not see it (plus since it was rated R, teens had to buy a ticket for another movie and sneak in.) And lastly, I think after Jersey Girl calling something a Kevin Smith movie, scared people off. He's got a fanbase that will make his movies around $30 million. And Cop Out sucked ass. Everything about the movie was terrible. I don't know what the script looked like before shooting, but the movie was a failure. So now Kevin is stuck. He's made Red State, which will never be a hit. I mean it's a small movie and will peobably make its money back, but I don't think it's going to be the movie that people will see and think that Smith has become a great filmmaker. I just feel that Kevin isn't Kevin anymore. If you look at An Evening with Kevin Smith 3, it's a joke. I don't know how much of the other two were 100% true stories, but they sounded more convincing. Part 3 felt like a comedy act, where he just wrote some stories, based on his life. Like he needed to top the Prince and Batman stories, so he embelished on what happened with Die Hard. A lot of the newer stuff just seemed like an act. Also, he needs to stop putting his wife in movies. There's a reason no one else hires her. She's not a good actress and he keeps giving her bigger parts in movies. What's next, a movie starring her? I really don't know what Kevin can do to reinvent his career. I mean probably he's have to make a studio film with a wide appeal. But he's said he's lazy and doesn't want to do that. So I guess he's just going to make smaller movies for the rest of his career that make about $30 million in the box office and then maybe does better on DVD. I don't think doing a horror movie is going to help him any. And Hit Somebody maybe could bring him some critical success if he pulls off a The Wrestler type drama. But until he can pull off a $100 million dollar movie, he's never going to have a larger fanbase than he does now.

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Kevin Smith = FAIL

    by 1997-2011

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST

    I dont hate KC

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    But I do think he's overexposing himself online and reacting to his detractors way too much. Dude needs to take the high road, go off the grid, and write some scripts for some big name directors for a bit. Get his stories out there with a difference of vision. I'm not saying he can't direct, I'm just saying maybe he hasn't grown as a director they way he maybe thinks he has, or we all expected him too. Let's be honest, we all thought he'd be helming big summer movies by now in his career. He's just kind of found this rut. I don't want to be mean about the guy, but sometimes the kindest thing to do is give a guy a metaphorical kick in the arse. Of course if he's not reading this, then that won't happen. But given his penchant for diving on his critics (admittedly, those critics tend to be semi-literate morons who just want to insult the guy), I'm guessing he'll see this. Kev, you're a funny and intelligent dude and you've done some great things. But I feel you should have always been going up in the world the way guys like Edgar Wright are. Started small with the personal stuff, made your name, then start taking the big offers. Your strength is your writing, so why not concentrate on that, let someone else do the directing you you co-direct/produce (whatever they call it when you are there to pick up experience watching someone else go at it)? Peace.

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Harry, you're just as guilty

    by The Funketeer

    You might not trash talk Kevin Smith but you certainly have said more than a few unkind words about others. What's the crime in making a movie you don't like? You might not like the films of Uwe Boll and Brett Ratner but they're certainly not deserving of the bile you spew in their direction every now and then.

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Harry is much more likeable than Smith and deserves more respect

    by Professor_Monster

    Look, it seems the trash talk has some bringing Harry's accomplishments up for sling next to Smith - Harry is much more of a likeable personality in my opinion and brought the public something they wanted at the right time. I KNOW he has a deeper data base and love for good movies than he lets on simply because he doesn't want to upset those he considers "friends" when he reviews their movies - so 9 times out of 10 he takes a piece of shit and points out the good, knowing he can count on us to bring up everything that's wrong with Terminator 3, Transformers, 2012, Star Trek and so on. It's very hard to call Harry a failure when you compare him to his peers - I mean, you really think the folks at Nukethefride, Superherohype or the countless others possess as much knowledge on film as Harry - not a chance. I know Smith has a following of loyalist who I always imagine are the same 30 somethings who get off on shit like Robot Chicken and Star Wars spoofs. If you were to sit any one of them down and try to have a serious discussion about music, film or books, they wouldn't know anything - they couldn't possibly if they consider Smith's work noteworthy.

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 11:52 a.m. CST

    hahahah

    by 1997-2011

    the guy above me is ludicrous

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 11:33 p.m. CST

    You KNOW Kevin is lurking on this site, reading the posts.

    by chadiwack

    I'm not a fan at all. I mean, I liked Clerks and I even enjoyed Mallrats, but those who LOVE him and compare him to Jackson, Cameron, Spielberg are deluded. THAT being said, it takes balls and a lot of hard work to make a feature. You have to deal with a lot of crap. So to a guy who has completed various full length features I take my hat off to you. I'm just not a fan of many of them. Jay and Silent Bob strike back was horrifically stupid. I can't believe some of the big stars who offered to be in it. Great actors.... REALLY bad script.

  • Dec. 26, 2010, 12:21 a.m. CST

    "I get incredibly lit..."

    by Punisherthunder

    That was funny. Although I must ask, were you lit on any other of his films or just this one? I bet you get Mexican don't you.....haha.

  • Dec. 26, 2010, 2:54 a.m. CST

    I'm sure Smith is amused

    by MattmanReturns

    by the fact that people who claim to hate him can't seem to stop talking about him. Talkbacker hate means you've achieved some sort of success/popularity. After all, talkbackers only like shit no one's heard of.

  • Dec. 26, 2010, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Smith has his moments

    by CrusherBuddyRevell

    Clerks was awesome. Mallrats was funnier than the critics wanted you to believe. Dogma was funny. And Chasing Amy... Well, Hooper-X telling the absolute truth about Star Wars is one of the funniest scenes I have ever seen. The only problem I have with Kevin Smith is that he relies on poop and fart jokes too much. I would love to see him make a movie without poop and fart jokes. He can do it, I think.

  • Hitchcock (whom I geek-worship) made some really out-of-touch movies at the end of his career. Kubrick (another genius) made 'Eyes Wide Shut'. Coppolla has fucked up endlessly - but I still would not count him out. Spielberg's artistic sensibilities/batting average, are all over the place - still won't count him out. The Coen's have made unwise moves into mainstream. Give Smith a break! And on top of all this - he makes his films for a fraction of the catering budget of most successful output.

  • Dec. 26, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Why I hate Kevin Smith

    by Lemure_v2

    Ever seen An Evening With Kevin Smith where he disses Burton's Batman and says how crap it is? Fair play, he's entitled to his opinion. But wait, is that Kevin Smith on the Batman extras disc chatting about the film. What. A. Sold-out. Prick.

  • Dec. 26, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST

    I think "Red State" looks pretty good...

    by Gozu

    It doesn't look amazing - frankly I'm done with the hand-held grim and gritty indie horror look but it's sort of the path of least resistance for a film like this - but it looks like a reasonable horror film that plays on contemporary liberal paranoia. As for making any great statement, who cares as long as it's entertaining? As far as Kevin Smith's oeuvre (yes, oeuvre, wanna' fight about it?) is concerned, he could make a million turkeys like "Cop Out" and I'll still remember how hard "Mallrats" and "Jay and Silent Bob" made me laugh. However, devoting a whole article to "why won't you people be nice to my friend?" doesn't really help matters much. The work should speak for itself. For me it does, for many others it doesn't. Articles like this, along with sentimentalized and misleading reviews, are chief among the reasons why this is very rarely the site I turn to when I'm on the fence about something or am genuinely interested in the goings on of genre filmmaking. Really, it's just a good place to vent. So congratulations, Harry, AICN has become the geek Grouphug.

  • Dec. 26, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Chasing Amy was the BEST!!!

    by Malebolgia

    it hit deep, as for the rest , mostly ehhh

  • Dec. 26, 2010, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Blue State

    by 1997-2011

    Liberals ban guns and go into people's homes to take their guns away. Cast: Larry the Cable Guy, Glenn Beck Tagline: "When they come for your guns...what will you do?" 20th Century Fox Production

  • Dec. 26, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Tim Burton is a hack

    by 1997-2011

    its like giving a circus freak clown a camera

  • Dec. 26, 2010, 9:46 p.m. CST

    I love Kevin Smith

    by ParagonComplex

    Anyone who is on the fence about him or flat out hate him need to watch An Evening With Kevin Smith. All of them. If they don't like him after that then they're just being trolls.

  • Dec. 26, 2010, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Snooch

    by lostboytexas

    If you don't like Kevin Smiths flicks then don't watch them. Also, fuck you! P.S Cop Out is exempt as it sucks balls

  • Dec. 26, 2010, 11:35 p.m. CST

    People just like to bitch

    by lostboytexas

    Funny as fuck when jay + silent bob got their revenge. BUNG!

  • Dec. 27, 2010, 7:51 a.m. CST

    1997-2011

    by rockness

    the thing with tim burton is he sells himself like a circus freak who was given a camera, unfortunately he really is a franchise approved yes man who makes bland and safe boring movies..who was given a camera. as far as kevin smith..yes a good chunk of his movies royally suck. BUT, red state still looks cool.

  • Dec. 27, 2010, 7:56 a.m. CST

    A lesson in tact...

    by wasabeman

    Ever notice how all the great filmmakers just quietly make good films? You'll never see Nolan, Fincher, or the Coens logging onto Twitter or some other angry-rant site and bitch about how those bully critics treated them. They just do what they do and let the B.O. numbers do the talking. Then, you have Michael Bay whining that he's not getting any love after his films gross nearly a billion dollars each. And now, you've got Smith, who can tell a good joke, when he's not slumming it in the toilet, but as a filmmaker, he can't direct actors, he moves the camera less than Ozu, and everything he's done grows stale after 90 minutes. If Smith really wants to be loved again, he should take out a page from the book of his former best friend, Ben Affleck. A few years ago, Affleck's name was synonymous with bad films. Caught a lot of flack. So, he quietly disappears for a year or two and comes back as a very promising director. And this year, after The Town, no one's going to rag on him anymore because the guy delivered a bad-ass film and didn't need to hype it up or hop on Twitter and beg fans to appreciate him or lash out at the few critics who thought otherwise. He made a great film and he made it with dignity. Now, the teaser for Red State looks EXTREMELY cheap and as if it was made by an amateur. Not a lot of hope for me, but I'll judge it based on the final product, not a teaser. In the meantime, he needs to stop bitching and moaning about the injustices of the world and focus on making good films. He's always been a cult director anyhow, so why did he expect universal love? You don't see Alex Cox on a milkbox, blaring into a bullhorn, demanding to be praised. He knows the kind of films he makes. And while we're at it, wasn't Smith the one who bashed PTA over Magnolia a few years ago? Did anyone see PTA start complaining and demanding that Smith take it back and love him? No. Instead, PTA goes out and makes There Will Be Blood and basically proves to one and all why he's the real deal. Until Smith can do the same, he needs to keep his trap shut. Also, why is he so quick to defend Cop Out? That was obviously just a paying gig, and if you ever do something just for the (whole lotta) money, you've got no reason to complain. That's the fucking point of being paid an obscene amount of money! He could've at least laid the blame on Warner Bros. for "holding him back" or something.

  • Dec. 27, 2010, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Worst Working Filmmaker Today

    by ray b

    Kevins first 3 films are good. "Clerks", "Mallrats", and "Chasing Amy". And by good, I mean, good, not great, brilliant, or groundbreaking. By the time Dogma came around he descended into terrible, and has been making terrible films ever since. he has a fanbase, good for him, and they defend his crap films to an unconvinced majority that's moved on and clued into the fact that this guys films are a waste of time. Is he an artist? Nah. Is he a great filmmaker? No. Was he apart of the 90's indie movement that included Todd Haynes, Tarantino, Rodriguez, PTA, Gregg Araki, ect ect.. guess who would be at the bottom of the list? Kevin fcking Smith. Guy is a joke. His films are a joke. And his fans are old nerds that actually watch and pay good money for "An Evening with Kevin Smith", I feel sorry for em, they're pathetic. I'll waste my time watching cooler comedies, better made films, and not giving one fuck what Kevin Smith does. People need to get a fckin clue.

  • Dec. 27, 2010, 9:37 a.m. CST

    just rediscovered smodcast and its amazing

    by threetoesoffury

    Kevin Smith is absolutely accessible and interesting. The guy has put together a hilarious group of weekly FREE shows on his smodcast network. While i get and understand that some folks like his shit and others dont, its things like his podcasts which really give back to the fans. As for Red State..im beyond stoked...his red state podcasts really set the stage for a VERY different Kev movie...should be a trip!

  • Dec. 27, 2010, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Burton bland and safe?

    by Lemure_v2

    This is the director who turned a tent-pole superhero movie into an S&M fetish flick, a guy who made a gothic musical, a director who somehow convinced disney to have a moat full of heads, and a guy who made a fairytale about someone with scissors for hands. I'll admit his last few films haven't been as great as his earlier stuff, but you can't call the director of Beetlejuice safe and bland.

  • Dec. 27, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST

    bland and safe

    by rockness

    unfortunately, when you say "last few films haven't been as great as earlier stuff" you really mean the last fifteen years. scary how time flies but that's how it goes i guess. i'd say not a good film since, what, ed wood?

  • Dec. 27, 2010, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Followed Smith for like 3 days on Twitter

    by WickedJester

    Had to unfollow. I don't need 400 tweets about a SmodCastle, his latest Smodcast or him bitching about another airline not being able to accommodate his extremely fat ass. Him ripping into Massawyrm was pretty damn funny though.

  • Dec. 27, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    bland and safe...?

    by Lemure_v2

    I did love Todd and Sleepy Hollow, but yeah Ed Wood was his last great film. Thing to remember is that Burton is an artist foremost, a director second and a writer third. That's why his biggest asset is visuals.

  • Dec. 27, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    bland and safe...redux

    by rockness

    yeah you are right. he's pretty good. i don't know why i went on an anti-tim burton rant! i've had some good time in the past with his work. besides, i just tried to read kevin smith's twitter that everyone is talking about and it left me so confused and flustered and annoyed that i realized that complaining about tim burton is sort of like complaining when your steak is cooked a little different than you'd like. at least it's still steak and not three month old rotten dog food.

  • Dec. 27, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    So let me see if I got this right...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ...Nerds would have hated Kevin Smith, as well as Nicolas Cage and Tim Burton a hell of a lot sooner if Superman Lives had actually gotten made back in the late 90's, so they all have their collective BVD's in a wad because they missed out on a good 10 years worth of geek-rage? Am I getting that right?

  • Dec. 27, 2010, 8:39 p.m. CST

    billybatson1000

    by la_sith

    Mistake 1: mentioning Hitch, Kubrick, Coens, Spielberg, Coppola to make a point about....Kevin Smith. Mistake 2: EYES WIDE SHUT is no turkey.

  • Dec. 28, 2010, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Knives Chau from SCOTT PILGRIM

    by HeisenbergsBlueSky

    dude you've said this before like it's some badge of fucking honor.that was with out a doubt one of the most obnoxious charachters in recent memory.and she acted like a total fucking groupie.as for kevin i'm a big fan and have always supported his career since seeing clerks back in my teens.i love most of his stuff with the exception of dogma and jersey girl,which i thought was a pretty good movie certainly not deserving of all the hate it received.i liked zack and miri but it was released on halloween along with rocknrolla which i went to see the night of the election. the only reason i knew either one came out is because i follow movie news and am fans of both richie and smith otherwise i wouldn't have been aware they came out.so i'd lay part of the blame at twc.the other blame was on ks for lack of confidence and effort.he seemed to be trying to hard borrow some of appatows box office magic at the time and stacked it with appatows actors.also i feel it was his weakest written dialogue yet.i will go see red state and support him but i refuse to ever watch cop out that shit looks awful

  • Dec. 28, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Loved Clerks 2, hated Z and M.

    by hallmitchell

    I think to fully appreciate Clerks 2. You have to be around thirty. I also buy Kevin's comics without fail.

  • Dec. 28, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Wicked Jester

    by hallmitchell

    Well said. Kevin used to be great on Twitter. Now it's just a plug for smodcasts. Which is a shame.

  • Dec. 28, 2010, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Cobb5

    by hallmitchell

    Great writing. That period around Jay and Bob was crucial for Kevin. It was where he had his only chance to make a hit commercial film. Instead he wasted two years and went back to the well. Jay and Bob is so easy to forget.

  • Dec. 28, 2010, 3:58 p.m. CST

    I Had No Interest In Seeing Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back

    by kevinwillis.net

    Until I saw the movie, by accident, on TBS or some smack like that, and was completely won over. It's my favorite Kevin Smith film. I also like Clerks 2. Never have seen Clerks. Shamed to say.

  • Dec. 28, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Jay + Silent Bob

    by lostboytexas

    we need more of that shit... NOW!!! on a serious note: cockballs!

  • Dec. 29, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Red State looks awesome

    by BradZuhl

    Smith hasn't been on his game for awhile but maybe changing genre will revitalize his filmmaking mojo. Clerks is still his best. Check out another cool little indie film from a fellow NJ filmmaker called Spoiler Alert at w w w dot spoileralertdvd dot com