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Mr. Beaks Skips Through The Grid With TRON LEGACY Screenwriters Adam Horowitz And Eddy Kitsis!

For the last several years, Adam Horowitz and Eddy Kitsis have been living the geek dream, banging out some of the best-loved episodes of LOST (e.g. "The Numbers" and "Greatest Hits") and, in their spare time, playing around on the hallowed digital ground of "The Grid" as the screenwriters of TRON LEGACY. This is their job. They actually get paid quite well to do it. And they can't seem to believe it themselves.

Horowitz and Kitsis are precisely the kinds of writers you want on a movie like TRON LEGACY; they loved the original film enough to insist on a sequel rather than a remake, and they seem eager to keep expanding the world of The Grid via different mediums (e.g. Disney XD's animated TRON UPRISING). They're essentially fans who have been handpicked by producer Sean Bailey to be the guardians of TRON - and they're committed to furthering the mythology of the franchise in a way that would satisfy them as fans.

When I sat down with Horowitz and Kitsis a few weeks ago, it felt less like an interview and more like catching up with friends I hadn't seen since junior high - particularly when we were naming off some of our favorite arcade and old console games. Had I not been dealing with a tight time frame of ten minutes, I would've gladly kept the game talk going (if only to see if they were as obsessed with the war-themed FRONT LINE as I was). For the most part, we talked about the development of the film, why they settled on a father-son narrative as a means of re-introducing (or, in many cases, introducing) audiences to the world of TRON, and where they might take the series should it earn enough at the worldwide box office to merit a sequel. I had a blast chatting with these guys. Hope you enjoy...



Mr. Beaks: What were your first experiences with TRON?

Adam Horowitz: I was a kid. I was very young. I remember being dropped off in the theater with my brother to see it, and just being blown away. Like really having my imagination fired. And then leaving and going right to the arcade, and throwing quarters right into the game - and finding that that game was so hard and so difficult that I would gravitate toward the tank game. On the tank version, I could last a little longer. But I could not defeat it.
Eddy Kitsis: For me, it was a very similar experience. I remember I was dropped off at the mall with my best friend at the time. Our parents would walk around while we went in the movie theater, because you were at that age where you were like, "I don't want parents with me!". But you were too young to be alone. The idea that there were computers, and that you could go behind the screen of a video game was just so mindblowing to me, and just so cool. In a weird way, I thought that the movie allowed you after - with the game and the toys and stuff - to be in it. You know, we were all fans of STAR WARS, and it's always fun to have movies that make you think about them, and that you get to still be in them in your own way.

Beaks: I think it's interesting that video games had that mystery of what lurked in the circuitry. "What hidden levels are we not going to find?" For some reason, this made me want to fill in the gaps in the extremely uncomplicated narrative of the game. Like you might want to write your own narrative in your head for, say, DONKEY KONG.

Kitsis: PITFALL was my favorite game. I was so good at PITFALL. But that's a classic example of "Where am I?" What's this guy's story? Why is he getting to the thing?" And, yeah, you start to wonder, "What is the narrative?" I think it's no surprise today that games have huge narratives.
Horowitz: I loved POLE POSITION. There could not have been less narrative in that game. You just go round and round. It wasn't even until POLE POSITION II where the track would even vary a little bit.
Kitsis: I liked TURBO. TURBO was cooler. When it went to night, it would get dark.

Beaks: It was also flat, and the car was smaller.

Horowitz: Which game was the one where the gun would drop down on top of the car, and you could fire? That was awesome because for the first time you could blow things up while driving. That was a seminal moment for me. [Beaks note: Anyone remember what it was called? I distinctly remember playing it, but couldn't find it online.]

Beaks: Having this kind of background, and this love for video games, must've been a huge plus in landing the TRON LEGACY gig. The timeline is a bit confusing to me, but was it the Comic Con trailer that essentially greenlit the movie?

Kitsis: The Comic Con trailer absolutely helped get it made.
Horowitz: It was in the summer or fall of 2007 when Eddie and I pitched our idea for this movie. [Producers] Sean Bailey and Justin Springer brought in Joe Kosinski, and then the whole team kind of formed then.
Kitsis: Sean said to Disney, "I want the director, producers and the writers to be together." We came from TV, so, for us, that collaboration was great because we constantly got to collaborate through the whole thing. He said to Disney, "We're going to develop a script, but we'd also like to do a test." So Joe had this great idea for the test that we wrote up. Then, all of a sudden, we get a call. It was Bailey or Justin, and it was like, "We're going to show it at Comic Con!" We were in the LOST writers room at the time, and we were like, "What!?!?" We truly say Comic Con got the movie made because the reaction from that test showed that there was a huge fan base and interest for TRON.
Horowitz: Right around the time the test was shown at Comic Con, we were finishing up the first draft. Then after the test, and all of that excitement from Comic Con, the movie really started to gain momentum.
Kitsis: After that test, deadlines went from a month to a week. It was like, "We're going." And then all of a sudden there was a weird FRAGGLE ROCK thing, where we'd go have weekly story meetings with Joe at his office at Digital Domain with Sean and Justin. Every week it'd be like, "Who's that guy?" "He's in the art department." "We have an art department?" All of a sudden, it just got bigger and bigger until one day you realized, "Oh, my god. Are we making this?"

Beaks: How did you approach the script? Was it a meat-and-potatoes narrative thing, or did you concentrate more on world building?

Kitsis: We literally approached it like fans. We were on LOST, and we heard our agent say that Disney was looking to do a TRON. We had no idea that there were some stops and starts before; we really didn't know anything other than that. So we approached it like fans in the sense that we didn't think we'd get the job. "They're not going to give TRON to two TV writers."
Horowitz: The first thing we thought of was, "We don't want to do a remake."
Kitsis: "That's blasphemous!"
Horowitz: We wanted to do something that could stand on its own, but would also honor the first film. So we looked at what we loved about that film: obviously Tron, and obviously Jeff.
Kitsis: It always fired our imagination when Kevin Flynn lands at the end, and he's taking control of the company. We're like, "What happens next?" The very first thing we had to do was find the emotional connection, and, for us, that was father-son. It was "Who's going to take us into the world?" That's the son. But the son isn't just going to learn about the grid; he's going to learn about his father through the grid. And for the father, who's spent so much time in this one world, what if there was a thirty-five version of himself as a reminder of all the things [he did]? Who you are at eighteen is different than who you are at twenty-eight. So what if your eighteen-year-old self was running around antagonizing you, and you're like, "Oh, man! There are so many things you don't get, but I can't change your programming!" That's where we started.
Horowitz: It was that idea, and then the idea of being able to tell a father-son story in a different way - which was a father with two sons, and a son with two fathers. It was a twist that got us really excited as storytellers, to have something to explore that you could only explore in the world of TRON.
Kitsis: And we were just so lucky to have Joe Kosinski. He is a true visionary. We always say he has come from the future to teach us technology. His background is in architecture. So to build a world with an architect who literally can draw... I still have the floor plans he sent us. We would sit down and have a meeting and talk about the disc games, and then Adam and I would go back to our office to start writing them. And we'd get an email, and there would be a design from Joe, so we could start tailoring it to that. That's the kind of weaving we did throughout the process.

Beaks: It's always difficult in films where you have a lot of backstory to dispense with to find those moments where characters can say things that aren't just there to forward the plot. To simply connect as people. How did you guys go about finding those moments?

Horowitz: It was a challenge. The challenge is settling on what your story is, and finding the best and cleanest way to tell it. Our process is we'll overwrite and overwrite; we write the giant messy version, and then try to hone it down. We were lucky to have these amazing partners to collaborate with throughout the whole process.
Kitsis: But as far as the rhythm of it, sometimes you want to take a breath. Sometime you want to learn a little more. Sometimes the scene you want to write is a little more intimate. And hopefully while you're writing, the story starts to tell you where it wants to go, and tells you where it wants to take a breath. You hopefully can feel it. And sometimes you're like, "Okay, I'm glad we stopped here for this, because this was a good moment."

Beaks: One of the big questions we didn't have an answer for until now was "What about Tron? How do you work Tron into this narrative?" How did you go about integrating him? Did you have different versions?

Horowitz: Like everything, it developed over time. But the movie's called TRON, you know? (Laughs)
Kitsis: It's interesting because it is called TRON, and he is a character, and yet you watch it and obviously Flynn is the protagonist. But we kind of had a plan for Tron in this one, and it pretty much stayed kind of how it is.
Horowitz: It's called TRON LEGACY. It was Joe who actually came up with the "Legacy" part of the title, and it came, I think, out of him realizing that the story we were all doing was about legacies working on many different levels - one of which was the legacy of all the different characters, be it Flynn or Tron, as well as the legacy of the movies. It worked on a lot of different levels.

Beaks: Are there more layers of the onion to peel back with Tron?

Horowitz: If we're fortunate enough that people like the movie and want more, we'll dive back into that onion.
Kitsis: I'll say this: what's great about movies like this is that... we flew over sectors of the grid that you didn't get to see. As storytellers, you're always like, "What happened in that sector?" Well, that's what's great for the animated show that we're doing, TRON UPRISING. Adam and I actually wrote the micro-series; we're involved in that on a heavy level because as storytellers, you get to tell the bits and pieces and things that you didn't get to do in the movie because you didn't have the time. But for us as fans, we want it all to be of a piece. So we're telling one story, and it's the story of The Grid. And sometimes it's better to be told in a movie, sometimes it's better to be told in a viral campaign, and sometimes in an animated [series]. But hopefully those layers you're talking about we will slowly peel back over time - as long as people continue to want to hear them. And if they don't, then we'll cry. It's that easy. We will literally cry.

Beaks: One last question: who gets credit for "Biodigital Jazz"?

Horowitz: Oh, god.
Kitsis: Jeff.
Horowitz: That had to be a Jeff.
Kitsis: Jeff Bridges, man.
Horowitz: There's so much of his character in the movie that came from getting to know him in the process. We would just write what we heard. He brought so much to it.
Kitsis: There's the phrase, "We were jamming" right? Well, Adam and I wrote that line because Jeff uses it. He'll say, "Oh, man, we were totally jamming last night." And Jeff is so brilliant and so great, you just have to keep up. That's the thing. So many of the great lines, he'll just come up with because he's just so brilliant.

Beaks: That's amazing to have that experience. You're just writing Jeff Bridges.

Kitsis: The best was when we were up in Vancouver, and there's a knock on our door. We look up, and it's Jeff. And he's like, "Oh, hey, man. Do you mind if I talk to you about a couple of scenes?"
Horowitz: There's no greater thing as a writer than to have him plop down on your couch and start jamming.


TRON LEGACY is currently in theaters worldwide.

Faithfully submitted,

Mr. Beaks

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  • Dec. 23, 2010, 3:57 p.m. CST

    I wanna see this

    by pikazerox

    maybe

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    a job well done

    by Grace_Panda

    even the rabbid fanboys are ripping on the screenplay (or lack there of)

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 4:09 p.m. CST

    lol, this movie had screenwriters?

    by Billy_D_Williams

    terrible, terrible flick...like they made it up as they went along.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Great job guys for writing one of the biggest

    by jack black

    bombs in recent years.You made Scott Pilgrim's commercial failure look like the BO success of the Titanic.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Its Tron: Legacy. Note the ":"

    by Superponte

    Its like Chronicles of Narnia: Whatever is happening now. At this point, the series is called Tron. Why? because its a cool name. Take The Thin Man series from the 30's. They all had "Thin Man" in the title, yet the first one was the only one with the thin man. The Pink Panther is similar. As tron was the secondary character in the original, there is no issue with him being minor in the sequel. I enjoyed it quite a bit. Bring on more, says I.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 4:21 p.m. CST

    ROADBLASTERS!

    by john_nada

    That was the game with the car and the ship would drop weapons on top of it. Classic.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Love MCA

    by krod

    Get well soon and put out hot sauce committee

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST

    C'mon Beaks, get your info. right!

    by fettitular

    These 2 hack, ass-clowns didn't write the beautiful episode "Numbers" (not "The Numbers"...). That brilliant episode was written by David fucking Fury (aka the best writer in the history of LOST, who was let go because Darlton wanted lazy "yes men" like the pair of untalented numbskulls, kitsis and horowitz). And they have, in fact, written some of the absolute WORST episodes in the entire LOST series: What Kate Does, Born to Run, Something Nice Back Home, Expose, Every Man For Himself, Fire and Water, and Everybody Hates Hugo. Yeah, great writers these 2 are... Jesus, at least with Tron, now they have been exposed to the WORLD as unbelievably untalented hacks. Thank God for TRON: LEGACY!

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    How these 2 have continued to get work in Hollywood is beyond me...

    by fettitular

    And how they landed this big a gig, with Tron, is just fucking baffling to me. Good thing is, they probably won't get any work after this :-)

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Kilik it bombed?

    by Sicuv Uyall

    That must mean Avatar is the lowest grossing movie of all time then. So according to your standards, Yogi must be killing at the box office now, you fucking moron.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Disney's lowest estimation for TL premiere: 50m$

    by jack black

    TL final premiere grosses: 43m$ (domestically all the above). Yeah i am pretty sure right now in Disney they open champagnes to celebrate the movie's success...

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Hey Brain...

    by fettitular

    Problem with that "logic" is that The A Team, Losers, Expendables, and Machete didn't cost 300 million fucking dollars to make. 'Tard...

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Sicuv yuall, pull your head outta your ass...

    by fettitular

    Tron is a fucking BOMB. Deal with it. I could really care less, since i had nothing invested in Tron in the first place, but i'm just calling it like it is. 300 million dollar budget, with a 43 million dollar weekend. HUUUUUUUUGE box office failure, no doubt. And sorry, unlike the superior AVATAR, it will not increase its box office over the next month (an amazing feat in and of itself...). Sadly, for you, it will drop about 50 % (being generous) and end up with around 120 million or so domestically. So in conclusion, based on MONEY SPENT and MONEY EARNED, it is without a fucking doubt, a BOMB. Deal.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Oh, and by the way Sicuv...

    by fettitular

    AVATAR is, in fact, the HIGHEST GROSSING FILM OF ALL TIME. You "fucking moron".

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 5:58 p.m. CST

    And the Yogi Bear comparison is ridiculous...

    by fettitular

    Fact is, the studio didn't lose as much on Yogi Bear, as Disney did with Tron. So put THAT in your crack pipe and smoke it, you punk.

  • They won't get a 3rd shitty tron movie? Makes sense to me...

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Movie was great, the Tron haters - WTF?

    by SmokingRobot

    Now Avatar was a giant steaming pile of CGI shit. But Tron Legacy was awesome. And had a big opening weekend and will surely make money. The people hating on this...maybe they are peons who are bitter that no one listens to them. Tis a puzzlement.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST

    You better behave BrainDrain...

    by fettitular

    Or i'll be forced to summon the great William Faulkner, ala Smokey from Lost, and sick him on you again...

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Makin' all the records cause the people, they want more of this

    by DiscoGodfather

    Suckas they be sayin' they can take on Adam Horovitz. HURRICANE! You got clout! Other DJs... put your head out! Yes, another Beastie Boys joke in this thread. Fucking DEAL WITH IT.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Smokingrobot said...

    by fettitular

    "Now Avatar was a giant steaming pile of CGI shit. But Tron Legacy was awesome." LMFAO You fail at life, man... Utter failure.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Actually RPLocke...

    by fettitular

    The Expendables budget was a relatively low 80 million... And the A-Team was slightly higher at 110. And The Expendables grossed 103 million domestically, and the A-Team grossed a modest 77 mil. So... Expendables was definitely a "hit", and the A-Team didn't quite recoup what it cost (excluding dvd sales, etc.) THUS, Tron is still a bomb ;-)

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Discogodfather...

    by fettitular

    I'm still trying to decipher what the FUCK you just said there.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Cars with guns

    by Keith

    Spy Hunter? Although you ALWAYS had machine guns in that. You picked up missiles, oil slicks and smokescreens from the weapons van.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST

    saw it today

    by frank cotton

    and can't wait to watch it repeatedly in the future. wasn't the best story possible, but it was certainly more nuanced than the blunt object that was AVATAR. and i like AVATAR. but it does have some of the best visuals ever. wish i'd had some 'shrooms. now, where can i find one of those keyboards?

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Ahhhhh, Spy-Hunter...

    by fettitular

    Good fucking times.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 6:47 p.m. CST

    And yes Darcy...

    by fettitular

    You had unlimited machine guns in that game.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST

    "The Expendables grosssed 103 million domestically"

    by AnakinsDiapers

    Yeah i'm gonna go ahead and guess that was it's entire run gross and not just the opening weekend.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 6:59 p.m. CST

    "I could really care less"

    by Keith

    Yeuccchhh! Proper English, please. It's "I COULDN'T really care less".

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Actually tron's in the movie a lot

    by MurderMostFowl

    unfortunately, we're never seeing his face. Maybe they didn't want to spend the money on the agre regression deal for Boxleitner. you'd think he'd be easier since he has a brazillion miles of footage of him older than 80's but younger than now from Babylon 5

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    fettitular

    by Keith

    You clearly don't understand what it takes to recoup your money. If my movie costs $100 million to make, and by the end of the first week it's taken $100 million, how am I doing? Have I broken even? No. I'm around $60 million down at this point.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Call me old-fashioned...

    by fettitular

    But when someone tells you to wear your boner-pants... you wear your boner-pants.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Drain...

    by fettitular

    Are you fucking serious? lol Yeah i don't know what the fuck i'm talking about... What specifically was wrong with my analysis of the box office for those 2 films? They DID barely break even, you fuck-mook. I neglected to add the FOREIGN gross as i am wagering that the foreign total cancels out ADVERTISING and MARKETING costs, which is a fair assessment (30-50 million give or take...). So yes, The Expendables BROKE EVEN. Something that Tron will most definitely not be able to say...

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Darcy...

    by fettitular

    Actually, i understand it PERFECTLY you dolt. See my post above about foreign gross and marketing. In those 2 film's cases, those 2 aspects are a WASH, which is why i didn't bring them up. Are you really going to try and sit here and tell me that The Expendables, OVERALL (Domestic AND foreign gross AND DVD sales, compared to budget and marketing costs...) did NOT break even?!? Yeah, i'm the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. Clearly... lol

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    And yes Drainage...

    by fettitular

    Making a PROFIT on a film would qualify it as a "hit". Dumbass.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Dang guys...

    by fettitular

    Don't take it out on ME that Tron: Legacy was an absolute box-office failure. I'm just the messenger ;-)

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:03 p.m. CST

    OH FUCK ME!

    by fettitular

    Haha man... i already destroyed you 2 clowns and it turns out that i actually UNDERESTIMATED the foreign box office for The Expendables! Get this, Darcy and Drain... The Expendables grossed a whopping 171 million outside of the US. Which brings it to a total worldwide box office accumulation of 275 MILLION!! How bout that, you fucking nitwits? So unless you want to add a marketing cost of 200 MILLION, lmao... Then The Expendables was a HUGE SUCCESS. And that's still not even counting fucking DVD sales... "PWNED."

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Another fun statistic :-)

    by fettitular

    The Expendables made a nice 35 MIL opening weekend, which was almost equal to that of your beloved Tron. lulz...

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Alright, that was fun... :-) Lets look at The A-Team, shall we?

    by fettitular

    Budget = 110 mil Domestic Gross = 77 mil Foreign Gross = 100 mil Total Worldwide Gross = 177 mil Marketing costs? I'd say about 40 mil. May even be an over-estimate... So 177 mil to 150 mil. So for all you math geniuses (like BrainDrain lol) That's a PLUS 27 MILLION... i.e. "hit". And again, that's not even including DVD sales. Man, that was fun :-) You 2 dipshits care for any more "ownage"??

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST

    But yeah, i clearly don't understand this stuff...

    by fettitular

    Just talking outta my arse ;-)

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    TRON. Can we move on already?

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    It's going to be a fucked up 12 months for us film nerds. WE have THOR to endure, lampoon and then forget about. Hopefully, Captain America works out. My ONLY hope is BATTLEFIELD:LOS ANGELES. that films looks dynamite.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Just to put in even more perspective...

    by fettitular

    Tron: Legacy is on pace to make as much money as fucking SALT. And Salt cost about half as much money to make... That's pretty awesome.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    TRON-lucky to break even.Now, lets NEVER talk about TRON again.

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    agreed? thanks.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Serenity runs fucking LAPS around Tron...

    by fettitular

    Drain, i seriously worry about you... You need a CAT-Scan, STAT!

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:11 p.m. CST

    idrinkyourmilkshake...

    by fettitular

    Totally agree about Battlefield: Los Angeles. That shit DOES look dynamite! I seriously wasn't expecting that... but that fucking teaser trailer... Oh my God. Best trailer for a film to come out next year by a country mile! (Tree of Life as a runner up) That Johann johannsson song was absolutely fucking PERFECT.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Someone who fails to see how much better a film like Serenity is...

    by fettitular

    expecially compared to something like Tron: Legacy, needs to get a new fucking hobby lol In terms of cinematography, score, acting, writing (dialogue, pacing, and structure, etc.) Serenity absolutely OBLITERATES Tron, in every conceivable way...

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Ha! I meant "especially"... not fucking "eXpecially"

    by fettitular

    That's hilarious. I sound like an uneducated, southern black person or something... EXpecially! lol

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST

    fett,,,agree on both counts

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    1) Serenity is dope. It is much better than TRON.Tron wasn't awful...but a BIG letdown. 2)Yes, that trailer was so good...I almost cried. Then I realized fuck it. why cry? just watch that movie ten times. I'll save the crying for THOR.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:17 p.m. CST

    By the way, that ain't racist, what i just said...

    by fettitular

    Just in case anyone's offended by that stuff. Just a factual observation ;-) Kinda like saying "i want to aXe you a question", you know?

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:17 p.m. CST

    nigga please

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:20 p.m. CST

    As for the screenwriters...this one goes out to ya.

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    here ya go my . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZwLsvO6YTw

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Haha, touche my friend!

    by fettitular

    And man, i totally agree with you about Thor. That's one of the absolute WORST trailers i have seen in a fucking loooooong time. Wow that shit looks terrible... Makes the Green Lantern look like the Dark Knight.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Other films in 2011 i'm worried about...

    by fettitular

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:23 p.m. CST

    fuck. ALMOST forgot about green lantern. speaking of GREEN..

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    You know what looks DECENT now? The green hornet. Yep.Mind you, I saw the trailer before TRON, and I was piss drunk and with my g.f...but seriously...it looked cool(and I'm a Gondry fan). But good lord...green lantern and Thor will tank. I know it. (financially and creatively)

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:23 p.m. CST

    FETT

    by frank cotton

    shouldn't you be whining and crying about prequels? somewhere else? and hey, you! the other dipshit...it is a TRON talkback, and we will continue to talk about it

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:25 p.m. CST

    frank cotton, shut your gay mouth weirdo

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    that bout sums it up, no?

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    And franky, hate to say it....film was bad.

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    If you liked it, you are probably socially inept. And a closet gay.And I am willing to bet you've dressed up as a TRON character in the past. Which is sad.(and yes, there is nostalgic value from the first TRON to me...but seriously..they're not great films).So enjoy the laughs.You can even wear your tron outfit.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Oops.

    by fettitular

    Sucker Punch Scream 4 Priest Pirates 4 Hangover 2 The Green Hornet Along with Thor and Green Lantern, those will all probably suck... Holding out hope for Cap America. And i'm cautiously optimistic for Cowboys and Aliens and Transformers 3... Looking forward to The Super 8, Kung Fu Panda 2, Tintin, Hanna, Tree of Life, The Troll Hunter, and Rubber. And i'm hoping Alien: Paradise kicks as much ass as it has the chance to... And surprisingly interested in X-Men First Class with the cast and crew they're putting together. I'm probably just stoked because they got rid of Brett Ratner: Franchise Killer ;-)

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:29 p.m. CST

    That should be "Super 8", not "The Super 8"

    by fettitular

    Don't know what that was all about.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:30 p.m. CST

    RUBBER and TREE OF LIFE also look exceptional.

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    And yes, the new X-MEN seems to have an interesting tone, and love the idea of setting it in the 60's, when the original comic debuted. And, FIREFLY has a comic. Mind you, I'm not obsessed with Firefly...but it was certainly MUCH BETTER than TRON 2.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    "Shut your gay mouth weirdo"

    by fettitular

    lol So random... Give it to him milkshake ;-)

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:37 p.m. CST

    And what's that about the Prequels?

    by fettitular

    lol did i miss something here? I guess it would be appropriate to mention that childhood-raping EPIC cinematic miscarriage... since i guess Tron was like a really MILD version of that. I couldn't care enough about Tron in the first place, so it's apparent failure doesn't really effect me one way or the other. But yes, the Prequels were indeed HORRIBLE. I'll never get tired of saying that ;-)

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Drain...

    by fettitular

    I truly hope you're about 14 years old. If not... You need meds, stat. And therapy too. Yup, meds and therapy for your sad ass...

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Some love for RUBBER...

    by fettitular

    Nice! This milkshake guy is definitely alright in my book ;-) And agreed on the "period piece" setting of X-men. Very intriguing... Hellfire club, emma frost, sinister... Yeah baby!

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Ok i'm going a little overboard with the emoticons again... my bust

    by fettitular

    *SLAPS HAND*

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 9:57 p.m. CST

    what?

    by redkamel

    so why the hell was Tron totally underutilised? Why did Jeff bridges die rather than join Tron and fight until Sam cam back? What is re-integration and why would it kill someone?

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 10:56 p.m. CST

    dang2010

    by dang2010

    What a miserable film. It was dreadfully boring. I have no interest in what these writers have to say, other than as an exercise in learning what not to do.

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 11:47 p.m. CST

    I thought Adam Horowitz was a Beastie Boy

    by detectivesoap

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Redkamel... Ssshhhhhhhhh

    by fettitular

    Don't ask valid questions that expose the half-assed, asinine script for the piece of shit that it truly is... Don't attempt to use any logic when viewing or discussing the film... For godsake man, turn off your brain! Tron is AWESOME and that's all there is to it. You don't want to upset the Tronees...

  • Dec. 23, 2010, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Dang2010

    by fettitular

    Well put! lol

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Did I see the same movie as everyone else?

    by SifoDyasJr

    I LOVED Tron Legacy. The dialogue is a little clunky sometimes, but it has some of the best action I've ever seen in a film, not to mention the visuals and the amazing soundtrack by Daft Punk. The story is solid, and very deep at times. Just saw it a 2nd time (no 3-D) and I fell even more in love with it. When the Blu-ray comes out I'm just going to let it play nonstop on repeat. "The old man's gonna go knock on the sky. Listen for the sound."

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Tron was pretty cool.

    by manzoniman

    Really enjoyed it. Enjoyed Avatar too. Don't give a shit about box office numbers, other than I hope they're big enough to make a sequel likely. I'm kind of a geek, so I'd be remiss if I didn't like a brand new Tron movie for crying out loud. I guess I shouldn't be surprised at all the hostility here - but fuck all, you haters really need to get a fucking life. I'm not saying you can't criticize movies that don't do it for you, but have some perspective and at least bring something better than "Wow, what a piece of shit that was." It's easy to tear things down with no regard for the craft, much more difficult to give thoughtful criticism or even an alternative suggestion. Do you really want to be the guy who says "Aw crap, a shitty Tron movie. And Thor looks lame and Captain America is sure to be crap." Honestly, did any of you actually read comic books when you were young? Is there any spark of wonder in your hearts? Don't you want these movies to be good? Are you so jaded - that only "That Empire Strikes Back" will do? Every other offering is "The worst movie ever." It's sad, actually a pathetic caricature of the comic book guy.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:53 a.m. CST

    The love for Daft Punk is still just absolutely baffling to me...

    by fettitular

    What is it about these simpletons that people seem to be so enamored with? Is it because their music is so simple, that it doesn't require any effort for the listener, like so many modern pop groups? I just don't see how anyone who appreciates quality "electronica" (like old-school Prodigy - pre-'97 stuff, Orbital, Aphex Twin etc.) could ever enjoy this crap. I'm assuming anyone that likes Daft Punk, also enjoys them some Eifel 65, Fatboy Slim, and Basement Jaxx... Would i be correct in assuming this? Honest question.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Manzoniman...

    by fettitular

    Nice little rant there bud... but that was a pretty simplistic analysis of us so called "haters". You threw out a bunch of stereotypes and generalizations in there, so i can't say YOU are bringing much to the table either... so don't be a hypocrite, man. "It's easy to tear things down with no regard for the craft, much more difficult to give thoughtful criticism or even an alternative suggestion." Sure, some people absolutely do this. Both on the negative AND positive side of the argument... but that doesn't speak for everyone here, especially me. Shit, i write freakin' ESSAYS on what i thought about a given film, both for ones i love, and ones i hate. And i have already done so about Tron, either earlier in this TB or another one... so i'm not gonna sit here and type long, drawn out posts of my critical analysis everytime a discussion about the film comes up. I'm keepin' it simple right now as i've said what i needed to say about it. So that is why you will get short, to the point, slightly exaggerated (it's more fun that way) remarks about the film from me. So anyway, as you were...

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Drain...

    by fettitular

    You had never heard of Daft Punk before the film came out? I'm just really curious now man... honestly, how old are you? I'm not trying to start a fight with you, i'm genuinely curious lol And yeah, it's not even that it's just "Synthesizer stuff"... it's that its SIMPLISTIC synthesizer stuff. They just don't try to do anything interesting or innovative... I'm telling you guys, Paul Hartnoll or Richard James could have made a fucking KILLER score to this flick. Especially a Richard James/Philip Glass duo. That would have been unfreakinbelievable! Hell, i'd even trust Liam Howlett at this point to do more with this film than Daft Punk...

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 2:19 a.m. CST

    That's an inspired choice Drain...

    by fettitular

    Can never go wrong with good 'ol Johnny boy. You know, when i first read that, i thought "what the hell? John Williams for... Tron??" But after thinking about it for a minute, that would be pretty fucking cool! Maybe get an old-school 80's vibe... like his work on Close Encounters or some shit. Would've been pretty interesting...

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 2:21 a.m. CST

    A John William's Tron score would have definitely had more...

    by fettitular

    MELODY. That's for fucking sure.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 5:21 a.m. CST

    Yeah man

    by UltraTron

    We were jamming on sum 80s programs that were so awesome that if clue gets hold of this disk filled with em man.. Well it wouldn't be good. Programs like tetris. If clue ever got out with tetris it wouldn't be good man. Like, after I had the entire shiva laser development team killed and moved the laser to my arcade. Well man instead of changing the world with the most powerfull technology ever devised- I just zapped myself into my computer to bang Quora after my wife bit it.

  • ...like Tron Legacy." <p> Beaks, what are you talking about? These guys are giving Kurtzman and Orci a run for their money in the shit screenplay department.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 6:13 a.m. CST

    braindain

    by Mark

    Living up to your name again I see. The opening 10 minutes of Serenity are better than both Tron and its sequel put together. Serenity has a great screenplay, something Tron has never had. This isn't an opinion, just hard facts if you know anything at all about the art of screenwriting.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 6:24 a.m. CST

    The game was definitely Roadblasters, not Spy Hunter.

    by john_nada

    In Spyhunter your car pulled into the back of a truck to get weapons upgrades. Roadbasters was the one where a ship flew in and dropped the weapon onto the car.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 7:05 a.m. CST

    You people are retarded.

    by Mike_D

    Seriously. Tron was a good movie.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 9:58 a.m. CST

    seriously, DAFT PUNK sucks.

    by Stifler's Mom

    which makes them a pretty good match for scoring Tron Legacy.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 10:28 a.m. CST

    TL Budget $170 Million

    by mistakeagian

    Tron Legacy's production budget was only 170 million and the movie is sitting at 62 million as of dec 22nd. I think the word Bomb and any comparison to Scott Pilgrim are ill advised.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    No London philharmonic. Just punks. No adventure.

    by UltraTron

    Just bleakness. Nothing new brought to table except the possibility of something cool next movie. No grid bug battles(why were they established last film?) or giant virus monsters. No Internet. No Tron. It's like naming the star wars saga Mon Mothma as much as he's used.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST

    The chicks were hot at least and the videogame

    by UltraTron

    is better than the film

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Fetticular

    by Keith

    Sorry, my post came across as being unnecessarily aggressive. Slipped into "opinionated internet asshole mode". I guess what I should have said was that your argument didn't seem to make sense as it stood. It appeared to be suggesting that The Expendables had made its money back *because* of the figures that you quoted, i.e. 80m cost, 103m box office. You seemed to be drawing an arrow of causality between the two.

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Stargate Universe had real music better than Daft shit Punk

    by 1997-2011

    real music people not some shit shitted out of shit

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    The first film is an epic heist

    by UltraTron

    taking place in 2 worlds. Sure you've established that dillenger jr will bring back the mcp for the next film- but you've failed to make a stand-alone film like Avatar. You've gone for the Harry potter milk and short changed us for now. Will you get to complete this saga that feels like a first act?

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST

    tim burton is a cocktail of shit poured on a clown

    by 1997-2011

  • Dec. 24, 2010, 10:52 p.m. CST

    cool

    by CT1

    yeah really great <p><p>"Prewitt Building." rockin

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Not a bomb.

    by jh

    Budget=170 million. Box Office Take as of Thursday the 23rd 91 million worldwide. One week out, and it's made over half its money back. It's a fucking good movie, and just because it isn't a 'masterpiece' or up to some impossible standard that a lot of you seem to have for film in general, all of a sudden it's crap? Here's what you do: Go make a movie. Go on. I fucking dare you. A short film will do. Write it, cast it, shoot it, score it, cut it, whatever- just make one and prove to the world that you know what the fuck you're talking about. Maybe then i'll listen to what you fucking retards have to say.

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 1:48 a.m. CST

    SHOULD HAVE ASKED: "WHY DID YOU WRITE SUCH A SHITTY SCRIPT?!!"

    by JonChambers

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 1:49 a.m. CST

    THE MOVIE SUCKED!! MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE BAD SCRIPT !!!!!!!!!!

    by JonChambers

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 1:50 a.m. CST

    Ask those guys: Are you going to return your salaries? You should!!

    by JonChambers

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    These guys suck and I'll bet the Disney exec sucked too

    by Professor_Monster

    From what I've come to figure out about Disney movies are that if they come from the Bruckheimer stable (National Treasure, Pirates) or Pixar, you might get a good movie because the Disney execs are pretty much kept away from interfering with the story . If they are from the straight up Disney camp, forget it. Tron suffers from no one being able to protect it from bad writers and whatever suit they answered to. I wanted to see Flynn's cycle kick some ass. Didn't they deduce that the comic con crowd who went ga ga got excited because they were teased with an action sequence, something the new movie lacked incredibly. We needed more doing and less talking.

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST

    fights_for_the_users - it is a BOMB

    by Professor_Monster

    You name shows you'll love anything as long as it glows. The promotion machine behind this thing spent TONS of cash in hope to get people in. Didn't work. You say it couldn't live up to the hype, guess what, movies CAN live up to hype. All they have to be is good. They had all the ingredients to have a bad ass film on their hands - but they dropped the ball.

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 1:39 p.m. CST

    professor_monster....

    by jh

    My name shows simply I have a love for Tron, not your generic insult. Hype was not mentioned in my post, either. Disney obviously did spend a lot on marketing, but your 'TONS' doesn't have a number behind it, and I haven't yet seen one from Disney beyond the production budget (yet). I don't know what movie you watched, but there was plenty of crazy good action to go along with the exposition that so many people seem to have a problem with. Your post states nothing past that which others have already said before you, and my challenge still stands. Put your money where your mouth is, and make something better, or contribute to a production so you understand the kind of work and love that goes into a huge endeavor such as Tron: Legacy, which I'm STILL amazed even exists.

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    on bombs, professor.

    by jh

    Films aren't considered bombs until it's been proven that they've lost a ridiculous amount of money. Examples of *actual* bombs as follows: Cutthroat Island-budget 115 mil. earned 10 mil to extreme a difference? how about- Sahara -budget 241 mil earned 119 mil I'll let you all do the math, if you've made it past the first grade, of course. It's possible that T:L may not be very profitable for Disney initially, however in its first 8 days, it's made 95 million back towards its 170 mil (sans marketing) budget. This doesn't take into account soundtrack sales or other merchandising either, and the second week has only just started. Any conjecture at this point is useless, and displays a complete lack of a brain. Now, remember, prof. IF you can get the cute girl in your math class to go on a date with you, you had best beg your mom not to embarrass you too much when she has to drive you both to the amusement park.

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    HAPPY FESTIVUS!

    by frank cotton

    all haters please remove yourselves to the game grid, to prepare for your eventual deresolution. i believe that a number of the faithful will go back for additional viewings; i know i will. a response to a prior attack: be it known thruout the land that FRANK COTTON, having been around the block a few times, has had his fair share of tail, and is an unabashed heterosexual. as for those who would attempt, and fail, to besmirch his reputation, frank sez that they are indeed losers, trolls, and reprobates, and it is likely that the closest they will ever get to having pussy, is being a pussy, themselves. TRON LEGACY ROCKS, and like TRON before it, time will prove this out. END OF LINE

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 3:49 p.m. CST

    fight for users

    by Professor_Monster

    So by your logic - someone needs to have built a car before they comment on how one handles. And as for how much Disney spent on marketing, Tron commercials and merged advertising are EVERYWHERE. I would go so far as to say this film has more joint marketing behind it than any film in the last 5 years. I don't have an exact number for you but I'll give you credit enough to say you're smart enough to know this kind of media push is very very expensive and adds to the money that needed to be earned back - and possibly will be, but not quickly and that is what matters to studios. A quick delivery. Slow returns = failure.

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST

    prof. monster

    by jh

    Conjecture on the film's success or failure is a moot point right now. Either the film's business will slow and it will be a flop, it will have legs and keep a steady stream of business over the following weeks making it quite a bit of money, or something in between. You can't tell the future, so just stop. As to 'someone needs to have built a car before they comment on how one handles.' You take the analogy too far. It's much, MUCH closer to (and this is using New York State guidelines, mind you): "Someone needs to read the state requirements and take the test to get their permit, then be on the road learning with a licensed driver the recommended number of hours, take the required 5 hour course and attending a defensive driving course, taking the road test, obtaining your license, and then succeed in not getting any tickets during your 6 month probationary period, BEFORE THEY CAN DRIVE THE CAR" Until then, watching a film without having some kind of experience with the process of making one makes you a child stuck in the backseat, looking out the window, passive in your experience just as is sitting in a theater, watching a film that other people have put a piece of themselves into while all you do is whine. Grow up.

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    It IS a bomb.That is completely evident

    by jack black

    from the lack of reactions from Disney on the movie's BO performance.We are on the 2nd week of the movie's theatrical release and we havent heard ANYTHING from Disney: how they feel about the movie's premiere,if their expectations were met,the most important question if we are going to get a sequel and so on. Usually for a movie which is made to jump-start a franchise and goes well in the FIRST week,there are, if not official statements from the execs or comments from the key creators of the movie about its performance,at least gossips of a sequel coming from the inside. But with Tron nothing from the above has happened.neither comments,nor statements or gossips.nothing,zip,nada. And we havent heard anything because Disney right now are holding their breath and keeping a close eye on the international and domestic grosses to see if Tron manages to show legs and will keep the same cash flow running for the next 2-3 weeks. Then they will decide what to do with the sequel and the whole franchise.But until now,not only Tron made a mediocre premiere but it didnt even manage to hold its position after Little Fockers premiered.And we are talking about an eye-candy 3D movie for kids in the xmas holiday period ffs. Which means that the movie is bombing and frankly speaking it is turning to be a bigger flop even than Scott Pilgrim.We are going to know officially that there is not going to be a sequel in the next week imho.

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    kilik, do some math.

    by jh

    Scott Pilgrim made back half of its production budget. Period. It was obviously a bomb. Tron is over halfway past its p.budget and going into week 2. Run the numbers in another 2 weeks, and look up what a box office flop or bomb is considered to be in the eyes of the industry. Maybe Disney IS holding their breath, waiting to see what it does. Maybe we will get an announcement in the near future regarding a sequel. I don't know. And. Neither. Do. You. Knock it off.

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST

    i will do some math:

    by jack black

    Budget 150m + Promotion 150m =300m The studio's share is half the grosses after the first 2 weeks if i remember correctly.So the movie in order to break even,it has to earn at least 500m worldwide after its run. Yeah i am pretty sure with the movie's current rhythm of making money,it will reach the 500m after another 2 weeks.yep.....

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 6:33 p.m. CST

    kilik

    by jh

    I haven't seen any figures concerning marketing costs listed anywhere. Unless you're the guy who spent money on the marketing, it seems like you're doing a fictional math problem. Also, even IF your numbers were accurate, how does your $300 million conjecture equal a break even point of $500 million? for a guy who says he just did some math, that's $200 million that just magically appeared. Where did that extra bit come from?

  • Dec. 25, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST

    whoops

    by jh

    my brain glossed over the 'studio's share is half the grosses' my bad on that one.

  • Dec. 26, 2010, 12:03 a.m. CST

    I just saw it today

    by pauduro

    they should shoot this guys.

  • Dec. 27, 2010, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Saw this with my 6 year old

    by Fat Lenny

    I thought it was a lot of fun. Not perfect, but I enjoyed the hell out of it. Looking at Olivia Wilde for an hour certainly didn't hurt the eyes either. Hope they do a 3rd one.

  • Dec. 27, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    These two didn't get it.

    by PorkChopXpress

    They didn't understand what made the original so awesome and instead, they ended up cribbing scenes and characters from The Matrix trilogy and leaning on the visual FX to distract people from all of the holes that perforate this plot. It has done that, to some degree...I still do like the movie, but not NEARLY as much as I should have, given the fact that I've been waiting since the sixth grade for a sequel.

  • Dec. 27, 2010, 9:55 p.m. CST

    a truly BAD sequel?

    by frank cotton

    'lawnmower man 2' or 'the hidden 2', now there's the definition of awful. TRON 2 may not have been ESB quality, but it sure as shit wasn't that bad. 'lawnmower man 2' made me want to track down those responsible and kill them. people that throw away money in that fashion don't deserve to live